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Speaker 1 (00:11):
Yo, what's up everyone?

Speaker 2 (00:13):
Welcome to a brand new episode of Spilled the Tea Kea.
Here on thee.

Speaker 1 (00:20):
Jesus John Rogan, John is always on this show.

Speaker 2 (00:24):
By the King of Swag himself, Winston name Marshall Winston.

Speaker 1 (00:27):
How are things? What's going on over there? Oh? My god,
man everything? I woke up to a meeting at the
day job, and and and people so greedy that they
making decisions that domain no, goddamn Sandy, what just just
just making pushes for programs that aren't ready, just to
undercut having to pay labor, Like they're trying to automate

(00:49):
it so quickly that they're putting a product out that
is not up to par so like Apple.

Speaker 2 (00:56):
And Windows basically is what you're talking about, because they
basically do the same thing.

Speaker 1 (01:02):
It is purely from the standpoint of the people that
are at the tip top are looking to try and
maximize profits and in the process do not understand that
what they are about to do has the proponentity to
genuinely actually make their business do a lot worse. Because

(01:22):
one of the reasons that this company does well is
because there is this kind of you know, white glove
service and they just don't want to pay labor, so
they're trying to automate everything, but it's not ready and
at bare minimum. If you asked us what would be

(01:43):
a good way to go about that, then we could
have answered that and been like, hey, consider this, this
and this. Instead they went fuck you and then the
next thing, you know, it's just just due to water
of a of a product. So that's how I spent
my morning, and I spent the whole day trying to

(02:04):
get the poor pup to go outside in the rain.
And she is not having that shit. She said, you
must be out your mind. Dad. I'm gonna sit here
and just wave my tail at you like I'm not
going out there. You're dumb bastard. So she held it
in for most of the day and finally stopped raining,
so Kristen took her outside. And other than that, I'm sorry,
we're laate, folks. It's my fault. My camera decided, yeah,

(02:26):
fuck a show. We're not doing a show. So I'm
just like out here in these streets, just like can
a nigga get one win? Bro? Like it's my fault.
The alarm went off for the gym and I said,
not right now, I'm tired and I'm gonna go as
soon as we're done. But broka, like, I think the
universe has gotten made it very clear you either make

(02:46):
this song or don't make this song. And then just
you're too close mine, You're too close full diyalon shit,
bro that's how the universe is treating me.

Speaker 2 (02:56):
When and it's raining, and it's raining, which adds to
the whole thing mentioning with with your dog, yeah exactly,
so you.

Speaker 1 (03:02):
Know she was not having it. She was genuinely mad.
That a thought crossed my mind to say, would you
like because we got her outside twice in the rain?
Did it? She didn't like it, but she did it.
And then when she came back, her immediate thing when
it started raining is to try and just shake all
that fucking water in my apartment. So I had to

(03:23):
catch We both times, we caught her with a towel
and we're like, see, you did so good. You went
outside in the rain, so you get a whole pat down,
like whatever, And she was like, all right, you can
convinced me this time, dad, but I'm not gonna do
this every time, you know, I just hold the dog
over the toilet. That's an understand to go, Yeah, I

(03:43):
just shake it.

Speaker 2 (03:44):
I just shake it, Just shake the dog into the.

Speaker 1 (03:46):
Bro You gotta be careful. They they they they will
cancel you for less. Roca. That's true. It's true. I've
never done done that. You see whatever the sung Piker
the dog like it looked like a nail on the
bed and they were like, he's got a shock collar.
A wish, No, no, we don't know dogs.

Speaker 2 (04:08):
Lily would kill me if I try to hold one
of the dogs we take care of over the toilets.

Speaker 1 (04:12):
Would nothing would make me happier than if the dog
could learn to use the toilet. That would make my life.

Speaker 2 (04:18):
Yeah, like Bruce Almighty exactly to sit there.

Speaker 1 (04:21):
Oh my god. But anyway, we are here on Spill
the Tequila.

Speaker 2 (04:26):
Uh, Caesar and his show is on another channel if
you want to learn about training dogs. But we are
here Caesar Milan. We are to talk about stuff going
on in the world of entertainment. We're going to get
into some deep James Gun stuff because he is the
he is the flavor of the week this week with
everything happened for the Peacemaker finale, pitching lanterns and all
the stuff that's going on here over the next few

(04:47):
months and years for DC that he's talking about, especially
after that ridiculous report was debunked.

Speaker 1 (04:53):
All over the place yesterday.

Speaker 2 (04:55):
We're also going to get into some di'angelo tribute, who
we sadly, sadly passed away to at fifty one years
old after a battle with pancreatic cancer, which is such
a shame. We're gonna talk a little bit about that.
We'll get in some NFL Week six action as well,
talk a little Dewana Bonner and the Aces winning the
title over de Wanta Bonner's Mercury.

Speaker 1 (05:14):
And more so, we are here to have some fun
on the show.

Speaker 2 (05:16):
Remember it's a ninety minute show, So if you want
to have your question, thoughts and comments read by us
and answered by us, you better start sending him in.
Now that the address is right above Winston heads in
the It's in the description of the chat and in
the description of the video.

Speaker 1 (05:30):
So all right, Winstonay, let's get to it.

Speaker 2 (05:32):
Let's talk about this man himself, James, James Tiberia is
gun here. He is certainly on the mind of everybody,
and people were talking about him after that Peacemaker season
two finale didn't one hundred percent hit the target for
a lot of people. There, there were some really emotionally
moving and poignant scenes, even if there were some issues
for me personally overall. But he's got a lot to

(05:55):
say about that finale, And he talked about the Salvation
side of things here recently talking to CBR about this stuff,
and he said, there's a bigger story being told that
involves say Salvation, and so that story it involves Rick Flaggan,
involves Lex and Superman.

Speaker 1 (06:12):
There are those movies that I'm going to be directing.

Speaker 2 (06:14):
That's the plan right now at least, And when asked
about Peacemaker's DCU feature Future, he said he is instrumental
where Chris is at the end, what is happening between
the government and the meta humans, Rick and Lex's new
partnership and all of their decisions.

Speaker 1 (06:26):
To do what they did is all a part of
the future.

Speaker 2 (06:29):
Man of Tomorrow and more so giving us a little
more insight into what he wants to do after that
finale and what he wants to do with Salvation, and
saying that he's got more stuff he's going to be
directing down the line past Man of Tomorrow. So what
are your thoughts on these comments from James gunn Here.

Speaker 1 (06:46):
Brother, I mean, I'm not that I'm not bothered with
I think the only reason I genuinely was upset with
that was the big revelation is it just felt like
the universe's story kind of moved forward. What happened with Peacemakers,

(07:07):
like you made it a situation where like, I don't
have a problem with being very character focused for a season.
I think that that is that is a good thing
to do. But what other than we got to stick together?
What did they accomplish? And that's ultimately where my issue is.
I'm not saying you have to beat the supervillain of

(07:28):
the week. I'm not saying that has to be whatever,
But it doesn't feel like the main characters in the
story did anything. Because, like my best comparison as to
the Band's Got to Stick Together is to go back
and look at Guardians two and Help Even Guardians three,
which is done immaculately with both of those movies. In
I been, especially three, it was mainly a character driven

(07:50):
focus on what is families sticking together, overcoming the stuff
that's traumatized you, overcoming your blood family traumatizing you. Whatever,
but they still had something that they did and it
wasn't just to push forward the MCU. Right, this feels
like this was Superman epilogue. This did not feel by
the time that was all said and done, because Lex

(08:12):
became the focus, because Salvation became the focus, it didn't
feel like we really were focused on the crew here
in this story. They were pawns in the greater game
that is telling the next Superman story, and that is
where I personally had a problem. So all that being said,
I don't have a problem with Salvation knowing like I

(08:34):
didn't know enough about it beforehand, but like going and
doing my research now and knowing that it is a
like training planet used by the New Gods of Apocalypse
and all that kind of stuff. Okay, so then yeah,
that probably is what Chris heard is some monstrosity the
Dark Side or Granny Goodness or you know, one of
them as using in that place. And now Chris, with

(08:57):
no weapons and no meta powers, is gonna have to
figure out how to survive until someone opens the portal
for him. I'm cool with that being the thing. I
won't pretend like I'm not a little upset that I
wasn't trying to jump into the new gods and dark
side personally, right, not that I'm anti that, but we
started to do that with the Last Universe. It doesn't

(09:19):
mean you could. You have to stay away, but I
would just would have like to explore other things personally.
I still hope that Mana Tomorrow is about Brainiac, Like
I hope that that is the Big bad and not
Dasad you know what I'm saying, or something like that.
So it's fine. I don't have a problem with it.

Speaker 2 (09:36):
I just.

Speaker 1 (09:38):
That is where my disappointment lies. It just didn't feel
like this was about what we're focused on. And I
think my biggest complaint about the MCU has been as
of late, has been you're so focused on the big picture,
you're not telling me an individualized story. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (09:55):
I mean this is a great point. You're so correct
on this, Winstaid. I really am so glad you feel
this way as well, because I've seen some people trying
to defend this thing purposefully because they love James Gunn
so much, and look, a.

Speaker 1 (10:08):
Lot of people have hero worship.

Speaker 2 (10:10):
I'm never gonna stop that, but I think it's important
to be able to separate yourself from the thing and
look at from the project and look at it objectively
and see what he was trying to accomplish. And in
the end, it did feel like Peacemaker was just serving
up Man of Tomorrow. And he literally said at the
beginning of the season that you don't have to watch
Superman to watch Peacemaker season two.

Speaker 1 (10:31):
It's his own thing.

Speaker 2 (10:32):
He also said a few months ago like these are
standalone things. You don't have to have watched this other thing.
But he is clearly making an interconnected universe, at least
this branch is an interconnected universe. It's a Superman saga
which Peacemaker is now a part of because it launches
Man of Tomorrow. It is absolutely all interconnected. And now
he's saying in this quote, there are those movies that

(10:53):
I'm going to be directing, So he is planning on
not leaving that director's chair anytime soon.

Speaker 1 (11:00):
Wants to keep directing these movies. And to me, it
looks like now when you're looking at it looks like
you almost.

Speaker 2 (11:05):
Took this job so that you can have job security
and keep hiring himself to direct these movies down the road,
because he doesn't trust anyone else to do them. And
so I think there is a kind of a I'm
gonna say this kind of cross purposes, like either you're
running the studio or you're directing all these films.

Speaker 1 (11:22):
The fact that you think you can do both. We've
rarely seen owner.

Speaker 2 (11:26):
We've rarely seen the GM coach work out for forget
GM coach, bro this is worse.

Speaker 1 (11:31):
This feels like a Jerry Jones situation. Yeah, oh yeah, Jerry.
If I'm being real, And as someone that has unfortunately
witnessed this far too many times as a Cowboys fan,
that actually scares me. And at first I didn't feel
that way. And I will give him credit. I think
that Peacemaker season two was incredibly well done with a
lot of the things that were there, But like, ultimately,

(11:54):
when I look back, I'm like, so, what truly was
the purpose of Earth X because you didn't fight off
the Nazis. I was sure that, like we were gonna
get Keith since he survived, right, I guess spoiler alert,
But it's been weeks now that he was gonna come
rampaging in and then the final boss for the season

(12:14):
was Keith on a on a killing spree. You know
what I'm saying, I'm just like, I'm gonna get revenge,
or he was gonna pose some alternate universe dark side
or some not dark side at Destro something along those lines.
But ultimately Earth X didn't really serve a purpose other
than for Chris to be like, I'm the I kill
everything I touch. There are ways you could have done

(12:35):
that and still toltally like, you know what, like told
some sort of story like what, yes, there were cool fights?
What did we do that is? That is ultimately where
I'm feeling, just it's how do I put this? To
tell a truly good story means that the story, the
oval are all, story is moving as well as the

(12:58):
characters are developing. I don't mind if the characters developing
as the stronger focus. We see that in plenty of
middle parts. So think of like if you look at
Star Wars, it's it really is more the development of
Han and Lea getting closer to each other, of Luke

(13:20):
really learning what it means to be a Jedi and
and going on that train. But what did we ultimately
do you ended up in a scenario of like, okay, Empires,
you know, invading these bases. We've got to get re established.
We have to figure out what we're gonna do, and
in the process it took Hella losses like they were
actually kind of running from something but trying to make

(13:41):
something work at the same time. You could feel elements
of this. But when did they ever stick it to
Argus other literally, other than eagerly getting a bunch of
good shots on some agents, when did they truly stick
it to Argus? You know what I'm saying. They didn't
either set up Checkmate, which again great to have that
be in the world. But I would have loved to
check late to have its first mission to to you know,

(14:04):
take down something, take take take down what they think
is the main Argist base. But Rick actually got away
with the damn device. That's something that that would have
felt like it would have did some other than the
last episode. Hey Chris Man, you can't do it alone. Brother,
You're not the Angel Death. We're the eleven Street Kids. Man.
You're right, we are. We opened a business kidnapped. Yeah,
what I know, I agree with you.

Speaker 2 (14:26):
I mean to me, it was such a lifetime ending
for that situation, lifetime channel ending for that situation that
first of all, that vigilante is gonna taser him to
force him to be in that room.

Speaker 1 (14:36):
I mean, that's hilarious that that was actually hilarious moment.

Speaker 2 (14:40):
But if you look at if you pull it out
and go, you're tasing a guy who is dealing with
mental health issues after he's watched his father get killed
and his brother almost get killed and had to scream
to stop his friends from stabbing his brother getting killed. Right,
And I know it's actual physical brother, but certainly a
representation of his brother.

Speaker 1 (14:56):
You're not gonna go tase the dude then put him
in a room we need you. That is exactly why
that works. Like that, that works Like That's what I'm saying.
I don't think those moments are wrong. That's like I
actually don't have a problem with the yacht and their
closeness and all that, but it felt like you were
trying to jam pack what probably was another two to
three episodes. Yes, agree, one right, that was my speed

(15:20):
of it.

Speaker 2 (15:21):
Yes, you're absolutely right, too fast, one hundred percent agree
with you. To clarify my point. I am on winsance
logic on this. It was too fast. I would have
bought it if you dragged that out over two or
three episodes. And like Chris has to come to his
own decision that after they speak to him, he doesn't
one hundred percent make the turn and he's like happy,
go lucky member of Checkmate. No, he takes a little

(15:42):
bit of time, he deals with what they said. They
actually go on a mission without him, and they're in danger.
Maybe they're facing Keith who is looking for Chris, and
Chris has to go and help them, and in helping them,
he realizes, no, this is where I belong to.

Speaker 1 (15:54):
I want to confront his brother. There's power in that.
That would have been fantastic. I mean, like, hold on,
let me pull up the season two like lists, just
because I can't remember all of them off the top
of my head. But like the number of episodes it
felt like we kind of just spun our wheels of
are just trying to catch Chris in his portal, and
then he eagerly fights him back, and then they're trying

(16:15):
to catch him in the portal, and then he runs away,
and then it's like, well, we gotta go get him,
and like you know what I'm saying, Like there's just
there was enough spinning of the wheels that that was
time we could have used on the back end to
dive even further into any of the stuff that we're trying,
so Keith getting his revenge, them really trying to convince

(16:36):
him things like that. I don't know, Like it just
it felt like they we started off what the plan
wasn't eight episodes, It felt like it was twelve, and
then they had to they had to chop it off,
Like that's that's that's what it felt like. And I
think that's maybe why I feel unbalanced. I think I
believe in James Gun enough and have seen enough of

(16:57):
his work that it just feels like maybe you thought
you had twenty feet of two by four to build
this thing, and you actually only have ten. Yeah, and
you didn't realize it until you're almost done, and you're
like shit, So like the thing still looks good from
the outside, but it's not as structurally sound as you
thought it was.

Speaker 2 (17:18):
I think the snickering part of I think Kevin Figy
is kind of snickering to himself a little bit because
from what I understand from people I know.

Speaker 1 (17:27):
Behind the scenes.

Speaker 2 (17:28):
I'll tell you why, from people I know behind the scenes,
like there is tension between Gun and Fikey that Gun
was Gun was upset that Figi was taking credit for
Guardians right, and he didn't like that, and so God
and of course the first Guardians was not written by James.
James came in after the female writer wrote almost or
all of Guardians and then Base and then ironically it

(17:48):
is his best script from the Guardian series, people would argue.
And so there is this sense where it is his,
but it's not always one hundred percent fully of his
and being under Figy's thing. It's Figy who gets the
rub mostly not James. So this idea that he wanted
to do with himself, well, there's no one to tell
him no. And I think Fight on DC and we
saw that finale is a perfect example of James Gunn

(18:11):
having no one to tell him no.

Speaker 1 (18:13):
And then with the Guardians films, the peason and.

Speaker 2 (18:15):
People love him is probably because fig had those moments
where it's like, hey, let's not have tim Medow getting
Facebook by an m through his space hemet. Let's get
rid of that stuff. We're losing the plot here a
little bit. You're going a little far. Let's not do
that meta thing where you bring in the band who
sang the song that is the song of the season,
and we really focus on let's not do that, Let's
do other things here. We can use this real estate
for character development and listen this show.

Speaker 1 (18:38):
One of the reasons I started the show to do.

Speaker 2 (18:39):
With Winston is I like to talk about stuff they
don't talk about in other shows, and we're going to
talk about people of color issues, how they treat characters
of color. Out of Baio was so sidelined this season.
It drove me insane. She was just he's my best friend,
He's amazing. Let me tell you how great Chris is.
Let me prop up the white hero constantly. And then
we go to Earth X and you go, okay, now

(19:02):
there's a situation here where we real one of them
got out. That's what Keith says. Where is the them?
Where did she get out from? Where are the black
people being held that right?

Speaker 1 (19:14):
Why are we exploring that.

Speaker 2 (19:16):
We're not exploring that we're gonna jump out, you know why,
because we're gonna use Earth X to help the white hero,
not the black person who is actually going to be
hunted down by these people in the streets.

Speaker 1 (19:25):
And yes, it was satisfying to have that satisfying. That
is such a that's you.

Speaker 2 (19:34):
Having a temporary solution when you presented a way bigger problem,
And I mean that was frustrating.

Speaker 1 (19:39):
I was gonna say, like, what what the her being
chased reminded me of was in Guardians two and Rocket
steals the batteries, so then the the their ships they
start chasing them down, pissed off to all hell the
first time, not not the second time near the end,
but the first time. That's what that kind of reminded
me of. And I think that that was would have
been like, yeah, the moment, I think that I think

(20:03):
we got a very powerful moment between and Judo Master. Yes,
both about I don't think that our earth is that
different than this one. It may look like it on
the surface, but I think there's a way too much
similarity here, one way or the other. And also Judo
Master being able to talk to her and be like,
have you ever thought about the fact that you keep

(20:24):
saying she doesn't believe in your dream, she's killing your dream?
Have you ever thought about that you're not supporting her
and hers So I actually think what went down with
her character development was very well done and I appreciate that.
But yes, you opened the can of worms of one God,
you're exactly right. And I never thought about this, but
you're exactly right as far as why, I was like,
why were we on earthects? Where are the black people

(20:46):
and the Asian people? And where are they being held?
Because if they got out, that means they're alive. So
are they enslaved? Are they being tortured or what? Like?
Are you using them like the matrix like batteries, like
what specifically is going on with them? And if you're
not planning on coming back to this world where it
doesn't necessarily feel like it it didn't necessarily need to

(21:06):
come to this, that's you know what I'm saying. That's
the thing. I think Earth X is too big of
a storyline to just make it a kind of quick,
little teasing point. And what sucks about that is that
again I think James opened an incredible door yes for
a conversation and happened with some of the things that

(21:28):
were played out there. But again, that to me, would
have been more important than trying to set up Argus
is let's play out Earth X and see how this goes.

Speaker 2 (21:37):
Yeah, because I think it's important to understand this creators,
and I don't care what color is is if you
present a concept like this and it is a massive concept.
And by the way, I want to be fair, this
happened in Falcon and Winter Soldier too, which frustrated me.
If you present what's it like to be a black
superhero and a white world and then mostly white world

(21:57):
like that is really serious shit open the door with
and you've got to explore, shall I present you and
or they explored what that situation would actually be like
in really intelligent, greedy, honest and brutal ways. And I
think this is the situation when it comes to these
creators in the complic world. If you're going to open

(22:18):
the door to this shit, you've got a responsibility to
be honest about this.

Speaker 1 (22:22):
Shit and explore. You know what we're not talking about.

Speaker 2 (22:24):
After everybody kissed James ass after the Earth and clearly
me after the Earth X episode, we're like, oh my god,
the guts to say these things, the guts to show
the Nazi flag in the United States colors, the guts
to have, as you said, Junoman and sorry, Judo Master
and out of bio talk about the country and now
it's not that far removed from a Nazi world. And

(22:45):
then we completely don't address it at all in the
next episode. And what's everybody talking about now, Salvation? No
one is talking about Earth X. No one is exploring
the fact that that happened. And I've even some people
say say, like, well, what do you expect them to do?

Speaker 1 (22:58):
They're fucking heroes.

Speaker 2 (23:00):
Expected them to fight and tried to stop at least
try to liberate some of the people who are being
held by these people in ethics and the fact that
Augie was actually not a racist and shid I try
to fight where I can.

Speaker 1 (23:13):
There were possibilities to fight it. There was a lot there,
and I guess that's my problem is that And that's
where it felt like Superman epilogue versus Peacemaker season two.
You set up all of this awesome shit to really
dive into, just to go that it was just so
Arcus could get salvation. Yeah, that is that is That

(23:33):
is why I was And I don't think I've been
able to articulate it properly until we just talked it
out right now. I was trying to figure out specifically
what it was, but I did talk about it in
like my season finale review of this feels so much
like Brave New World. It's upsetting because Brave News issue
was this was the time to explore fully he has

(23:58):
the mantle, now what does that mean? But it was
not about that. It was a Hulk movie. It was
a Hulk movie that featuring Sam yet again he was
featured in his own movie. Probably the most interesting storyline
that was gonna be there as you were going to
re explore Isaiah Bradley. He's finally trying to step back
out and retrust the world, and the world betrays him again.
That that is such an interesting conversation to have, But

(24:20):
that is not what you did. Instead, it was sorry.
Instead it was you know, there is a celestial in
the ocean and it's made up of vedamantium, and the
world wants to take it. What we gotta do? And
you didn't even really dive into that either. It was
just the leader kind of getting his revenge and making
another Hulk. It just it. There were just so many
things that don't work with that because you weren't focused

(24:42):
on what the main.

Speaker 2 (24:43):
Thing was, I know, And it's so frustrating. I'm so
tired now seeing these companies who present these concepts and
think that's enough and think doing the bare minimism minimum
is enough. Someone said in the chat, and I toet
to respect this, They're like, well, well, if they dove
into earthex it would take seven episodes.

Speaker 1 (25:02):
I agree with you.

Speaker 2 (25:03):
So don't fucking do it, and you don't do it,
or we don't need we don't need the catering. We
don't need you to make your little political points if
you're not actually gonna explore We're way past that in
the conversation of politics in our world now. If you're
going to explore political things and you're only gonna like
touch on the surface of it, fuck you get out

(25:25):
of here, dive in, or get the fuck out of
the pool, like it does not make or don't come
near the pool. Rather, it does not make any sense
to present it if you're not going to explore it,
because I think that's more insulting now than if you
weren't even gonna mention it, you know, and so because
you're using it for shock value rather than respecting what
it would be like to have a Nazi world that

(25:45):
enslaved black people and people of color in camps to
do their job like that would have been fascinating, But no,
let's go watch Tim Meadows getting face fucked by an emperor.
Let's go into another world and all this kind of stuff,
and you know, let's watch the IMP's eat people's faces off.
It was like, oh, oh, let's watch Lex Luthor's Scooby
Doo crew doing blow off the fucking monitors, Like this

(26:06):
is the kind of stuff.

Speaker 1 (26:07):
It's not that it's not it's not that that's not
funny or interesting, but that was not. But compared to
what you decided to address, it feels like a cop out.
It literally feels like you go to the office and
they're like, hey, man, you know, we see our black
brothers in here and how they're being treated, so we're

(26:29):
gonna really do something about it and talk about oh shit, okay,
bet what we doing from now on. Y'all can come
in an hour later to the office. All right, great, everybody,
let's keep going what the fuck? That's that's it? You
don't that's that's cool, And I appreciate that. I think
it goes a little deeper than letting me get an
extra hour of sleep every morning. I don't what I

(26:55):
don't want to go. I don't want to because, like
I don't think anything that that gun did was in
any way, shape or form like racist. And this I
wasn't gonna so I was gonna say something like yo,
waterme chicken every Friday, like nothing like that, but I
but specifically it felt like a kind of here you go,
and then kept it pushing that. I don't that's all.
It's just the The story of Earth X is literally

(27:15):
the idea of what happens if Nazis win and how
that affects things. The only thing that we studied about
this was that Chris's ass is so into hisself he
didn't notice bigotry happening around him. What else, and and
other than adds great line with Judo Master, what else
did we really garner out of that? Honestly? What? What?
What did we get?

Speaker 2 (27:35):
Who do you have telling Chris that he missed the
signs another white person?

Speaker 1 (27:41):
I don't. I don't hate that. The reason why I
don't specifically hate that is because there's this idea of.

Speaker 2 (27:47):
Hey, I'm gonna give you the I'm gonna give you
the solo shot on this. I have to check on
something real quick. Sorryry, you're fine, You're fine.

Speaker 1 (27:53):
So the reason why I actually don't hate the idea
that it was Hardcourt that explained that to Chris is
I do belie Leave personally that yes, we need to
all be learning from each other. I think in a
lot of ways, there's a reason why people get upset
when it's like you need to talk to your parents
or your grandparents or your uncle or whoever, is because
you're more inclined to actually hear somebody if they have

(28:17):
an emotional attachment to you than somebody if they don't.
There are exceptions to that rule, but it makes more
sense that, like, my parents are very like progressive positive people.
There have been times where I've heard my dad say
something kind of sexist, or I've heard my mom say something,
you know, a little questionable, things like that, and they
don't mean anything negative by it, but it's coming from

(28:37):
me to be like that's not cool. For this reason,
HiT's completely different than a shoger to be like you
mother fuck like. So I don't mind Hardcourt being the
one to be like Chris, open your eyes, bro. And
if anything, the only thing that would have maybe uped
it is ads kind of showing why that's an issue
one way or the other. But I do think that
speaks to the idea of you are your brother's keeper

(28:58):
a little bit as far as like, so, I actually
don't hate that Hardcourt did that. I'm not sure when
John's coming back, but yeah, I just again, I think
there was so much good and even some greatness in
Peacemaker season two, but I think ultimately because of where
we landed, it just didn't stick. The landing for me,

(29:20):
even some of the stuff in there that was really fun,
I just didn't feel like that really got us in
a place where I walked away from that show feeling
fully fed. If anything, I felt very similar to how
I felt, and I said this in my review as well,
at the end of House of Dragon this most previous season.

(29:42):
This felt more like that, where in that case, that
actually was we had more episodes and they got cut
off at the past budgetarily wise, so they did have
to end it early. That's why I mentioned that's what
this kind of felt like as far as being rushed,
is because it gave that sa and vibe. This feels

(30:02):
like John that I was just saying that House of
the Dragon ending on we have our Dragon writers and
season season, but that was because of budget. I know that.
I don't know if that's what happened with Peacemaker here,
but it gave me the same vibe. This is incomplete.

Speaker 2 (30:16):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, and I again this is like it's
it's setting up the next thing, and which is what
he promised he wasn't going to do, and now it's
happening this way, and so you know, now now we'll
see what happens. And now there's that big story going
around with you know, what's going to happen to WB.
So who knows if James is even going to get

(30:36):
to finish his vision down the road. We will see
once the dust clears and they sell w B. But
you know, at this point, I think most of Peacemaker
season two is a true joy and really interesting expiration
of mental health and relationship issues. But like and I
thought those two scenes in the show were really great
between out of Bio and his and her girlfriend. And

(30:58):
by the way, again another reason they to cut out
of Bio. There are no scenes with her and her
girlfriend except for two scenes in the whole fucking series
season and you're gonna lead to that incredible conversation. There
should have been more scenes, little bit more to her mom.
Even if we don't see Viola Davis. Why isn't she
having like.

Speaker 1 (31:16):
Email something something?

Speaker 2 (31:19):
And then and then why aren't we seeing scenes with
the girl who plays his why her wife or girlfriend?

Speaker 1 (31:24):
Rather? Why aren't we seeing her? I thought they were married?
You're married? Are they married? Okay? I thought they were married? Divorce,
it doesn't matter. But the point partner, I get it,
I get it.

Speaker 2 (31:31):
Why aren't we seeing scenes with her dealing with out
of seeing the news about what's going on with out
of bios, seeing this stuff like, we should have had
more time with them so that when we get we
should have cared for that relationship more so when we
get to that scene, we really feel that. Look, it
was well acted by two damn good actresses. It was
well written. I'm not gonna come.

Speaker 1 (31:50):
It was incredibly well acted and well written as far
as like if what they gave us was well written, yes,
but but and like in the almost like the technical
sense of things, but it just wasn't complete. I guess, Yeah,
you know what I mean? Which one other thing that
somebody just said in the chat and I actually agree

(32:11):
with pretty heavy, Yeah, what would that have been like
if Chris seeing that things were effed up? Even if
he had to be told it by somebody else, became
a liberator for Earth X. What if that is? What
if that was the salvation he was looking He keeps
thinking he's the angel of death and everything that he
touches turns bad. What if he's the one that helps
start turning the tide of Earth X to be like,

(32:32):
this is actually awful and not the right way to
go about things that would have also spelled like spelled
leaps and bounds for trying, because then again, you are
taking something on. I don't feel like the crew of
Peacemaker took anything on this.

Speaker 2 (32:50):
Yeas yeah yeah, And I don't know how you have
a finale of Peacemaker and not put him in the
Peacemaker costume, Like I'm just like, why would you. It's
called Peacemaker. You gotta have him in the costume and
get it like emotional storylines.

Speaker 1 (33:02):
I'm all for it.

Speaker 2 (33:03):
I'm you know, too many people are pushing that straw
man argument in gaslighting people. Oh you all just wanted
suits or you all just wanted action from that, which
is utter bullshit. It's there's a there's a lot of
legitimate criticism to go on with that finalite and.

Speaker 1 (33:16):
So especially when I could look back at the first
season of Peacemaker and you found a way to do
all of this. Yes, And that's that's the problem. It's
it's it's lacking what felt like a complete story. In
the first season. You took on the whole butterfly invasion crisis,
but how that was actually not as nefarious as it seemed.

(33:37):
But it sort of was the growth from Chris being
very full of himself to having to find friends, to
even them seeing him as like a dumb idiot, but
then giving him respect that's due. Like there was so
much that happened simultaneously, you.

Speaker 2 (33:50):
Know, Yeah, agreed, agreed, Well, I mean he went further on,
uh went right into this thing.

Speaker 1 (33:57):
But he went further on.

Speaker 2 (33:59):
To say that, as I said, there's gonna be movies
that he's gonna be directing. That's a plan right now,
he says, at least I may get so effing tired
that I can't do it, because I'm pretty tired. But
we'll see. But there's a plan that I'm gonna do.
You know, it's a couple more at least, And I
think this is.

Speaker 1 (34:16):
Where we're going. We're hitting the wall.

Speaker 2 (34:18):
I think a lot of people speculated that this finale
shows you that James is spread too thin. Right, That
was the big complaint against Kevin Feige, that he was
spread too thin.

Speaker 1 (34:27):
Which is why all these with.

Speaker 2 (34:28):
All these Marvel TV shows and Marvel movies, that's why
we weren't seeing the same quality in the amount of
quality as we'd had before, is because he was being
spread too thin. And it feels this way with James
as well. So, like, if you are getting too tired,
stop doing the podcast, Stop doing all this extra shit,
stop going on TV shows to be a guest judge

(34:49):
on anything. Focus on writing the stuff, getting it well,
or finding the people who will be able to do
that kind of stuff. I just don't understand the logic here.
You can't complain about being tired if you do all
this extra shit that you actually don't need to be
doing in.

Speaker 1 (35:03):
Order to keep everything in a certain place.

Speaker 2 (35:06):
Why is not Why aren't you letting one of the
DC people who hosts the show that they have the
DC show that Why aren't they hosting the podcast for
peace Maker? Why are you hosting so? It just doesn't
make it.

Speaker 1 (35:16):
I mean, have have him on pretty regularly, but then
like but then might back off. And I think the
other thing is because you got to remember, now he's
already done. How many DCU projects have we had so far?

Speaker 2 (35:27):
Creature Commandos, uh, and Superman and now peace Maker season So.

Speaker 1 (35:32):
He literally wrote and virtually directed all three. Yes, so
the way that he started out wasn't like I I
would have been. I loved Creature Commandos, yeah, and again
there's a lot that I liked about the season of
peace Maker, and I genuinely enjoyed Superman. Yeah, dude, do
one because you're supposed to be the figy and if
and my my feel like it's his, it's his studio

(35:54):
to do with as he pleases. But there's a thought
process there of let's say they're supposed to be in
fa or Chapter one. There's five movies and five shows. Dude,
direct slash right one movie, direct slash right, one show,
and then bring the team in because you there's a
reason why Nick Fury is not in the field and

(36:16):
he sends the Avengers to go do shit. There's a
reason why. Typically you know, uh, like Batman. Batman does
get in the field like that, but he's also a freak.
But the number of times like uh, did you watch
did you watch the Justice League Limited cartoon and everything? Yeah? Yeah,
jail you Yeah, of course. So there's a reason why

(36:38):
when they the jail you actually kicks in and and
John Jones goes away. Yeah. One, John is staying in
the tower most of the time and only goes down
when he absolutely has to. And then when mister Terrific
takes over for him in the second season, he stays
in the tower and he's sending people out here, only
goes down when he has to. You have to if
you're the leader of the Justice League, my guy, if

(36:59):
you the the the Towers like brainchild, you have to
understand that you need to delegate that out and only
show up on the battlefield when specifically your skill set
is needed. Yep. And and just because you're doing something
so grant if it was just a trilogy, that's completely different.
That's that is you're talking about a whole franchise, right, So.

Speaker 2 (37:23):
Yeah, there's you don't have to direct everything like that's
you're choosing to do that because you are a control freak,
and you you think that only you can tell this
story because it's your story and you're able to look
I get it.

Speaker 1 (37:37):
I get there's a side of this.

Speaker 2 (37:38):
It's like, well, he's getting a chance to fulfill a
childhood dream to do this story and to do this stuff,
and you know, do a Superman saga and all these
I totally understand that as a fellow comic book lover,
you Winston, you and I can both understand that to
be in this position.

Speaker 1 (37:54):
But this is not what you had promised.

Speaker 2 (37:56):
You know, you had promised that you were going to
be co running a studio with Peterson, and that it
was going to be you like the Kevin Feigy of
the whole situation.

Speaker 1 (38:05):
Kevin Figgy doesn't come down.

Speaker 2 (38:06):
From the tower to direct an entire branch with its
other branches right of the of the saga, which is
what you're doing with the Superman saga. Forget gods and monsters.
That doesn't even really exist anymore. Honestly, it's just focusing
on the Superman saga, is what he's doing. And yes,
there's a Supergirl, but of course he's probably on the
set all the time with Craig Gillespie. And then you've

(38:27):
got Clayface, which is going to be its own thing,
and that's a fun little thing. But like he's just
it just feels to me like it's too much.

Speaker 1 (38:35):
It's it's one of those things where just just again
to go back to the John Jones and the Tower,
the mister terrific in the Tower type situation. It's when
you're kind of it even even better. Yet take it
to take it to anybody running just a general company
as is, the CEO is not supposed to be out

(38:57):
in the streets selling the product and fit seeing the
product and doing customer service. You literally, if that's the case,
then you don't start a company. You do it all yourself.
The reason you have a company with all those employees
and you pay them good money to do it is
purely from the standpoint of there are things you will
handle directly and there are other things that you need
to delegate to your people. So like I remember, you know,

(39:19):
taking on a smaller level to like when I used
to work for Apple, Yes, or lead knew how to
do everything she could because she trained to do that.
Right could work the floor, she could work the business center,
she could work the genius bar. She literally could do everything.
But she only stepped in if it was something really
important that she needed to Otherwise, she hired her people

(39:41):
and made sure they were good to do whatever. And
then it's the same thing. If you want to do Superman, awesome,
do Superman, let everybody else run shit like, let them
do that, and you go and go, no, I'm not
feeling that this is what I'm looking at. Go back
to the drawing board and go that that's the kind
of stuff that you need to do. And I think
that that's where the MCU success was is Figy still

(40:01):
had a controlling hand, but he had directors and writers
bringing his vision to life. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (40:07):
Yeah, And there's a way to do that where you
still get the credit that he so desperately wants as
James Gunn's universe, because people would say, no matter who
you hire as a director, it's very clear that it
is you, you're the guy in charge. And so you
can still be the guy in charge and the guy
that it gets the credit and the blame with when

(40:27):
stuff doesn't work.

Speaker 1 (40:29):
So to me, to indulge in your own personal.

Speaker 2 (40:32):
Desires to direct this stuff, which was never the plan
from what you presented this Superman family saga, that was
never the plan at the beginning, then to me, I
think there's a little bit of he's not telling the
full truth of all of this, and he's trying to
have his cake and eat it too, and I think
that's a little frustrating.

Speaker 1 (40:49):
And yes, someone pointed out that he.

Speaker 2 (40:51):
Was on Greg Albo's show, had no surprise and then
saying like, hey, because they love him over there. And
he said like, hey, you know, I'm a little burnt
out writing this season, Like, yeah, of course you are,
because you're trying to do all of it and instead
of just kind of delegating, which is what great leaders do,
you are trying to control all of it to make
sure it comes out the way exactly the way you

(41:12):
want it to.

Speaker 1 (41:13):
And I think that's I just just my only warning.
I have nothing but love for James Gunn And again,
I think overall what we've seen has been good stuff.
But my warning not that he listens to me. I
don't know him, but do not turn into Jerry Jones. Yeah,
like I said it, but earlier, I'll say it again.
It maybe sort of worked at the beginning with that

(41:34):
nineties dynasty, but how quickly did that fall apart and
that curse reigned for now over three decades. Do not
back yourself into a corner that you feel that you
have to be owner slash GM constantly, and you end
up you get so used to doing that that then
when you do try and delegate a little bit and

(41:55):
people screw up, then you would meet and you blow
it up, and then it does like just please please,
I can only deal with one cowboy situation in my
lifetime at a time. As long as Jerry is still here,
I don't need this to be the same issue because
I think that that will ultimately catch up to what's
going on. But again, I don't think this is a

(42:17):
start ringing the fire alarm. But I do think you're
looking at it and you're just like, okay, yeah, kind
of look back, just like okay, well it's over there
if I need it, but we're okay, yeah, And look,
jam I get your points, he said.

Speaker 2 (42:31):
James is to give credit three projects and only one
episode is being called a failure. What is the actual complaint?

Speaker 1 (42:37):
Let's see, that's the thing that one episode of a
failure legitimately made the rest of the season be questioned.
You were going so hard in the paint and you
literally think of it this way. If you're a pilot
on a plane, your takeoff could be immaculate. There could
be zero turbulence. But if you get to go land
the plane and you end up sterirting wrong and you

(42:58):
pop the tire, the plane flips, and that's not good.
You know what I'm saying That now the flight is
no longer a success, right, that the finale of a
season is. And it's not just that even with a
movie act three of a movie. How you conclude a
movie if you don't nail the landing, who the fuck
cares about everything that came before it? So to say

(43:20):
that one episode, if the middle of the season had
been a failure, I'll give you credit. That happens all
the time right the end of a season. That is,
that is the one thing you don't mess up. There's
a reason why the saying is it's not how you start,
it's how you finish.

Speaker 2 (43:32):
Right, And listen, who remembers the eighteen and one Patriots season.
Nobody they remember the Giants beating the Patriots.

Speaker 1 (43:39):
That's literally what nobody really talks about. That they were
undefeated till the Super Bowl. They talk about Eli Manning
figured out how to beat Brady and what was supposed
to be the perfect that that is what they talk about.

Speaker 2 (43:49):
I mean, jam, you could use your argument, but they
won eighteen games. Nobody gives a shit. You're most important.

Speaker 1 (43:55):
Warriors, the Worries for the most games in regular season history,
beating the Bulls, right, guess who doesn't care? Anybody because
Lebron James somehow beat them in a seven game series,
coming back three to one. That is what we talk
about in there. We don't talk about them being the
regular because because they didn't finish the job.

Speaker 2 (44:12):
The Buffalo Bills went to the Super Bowl four times
in like five or six years.

Speaker 1 (44:17):
We talked about they were a force. They go, they
got their asshole to the No talks about them as
being this amazingly great. Those don't talk about the fact
they couldn't get the job done. That's how it works.

Speaker 2 (44:27):
So do you understand what the complaint is, now, gam
That's what the complaint is. So yeah, look at all
of it in the whole compa, you know, the whole thing,
and don't act like the Creature Commandos finale nailed it
because a lot of people had issues with the Creature's
Commandos finale as well, so that.

Speaker 1 (44:42):
It wasn't it wasn't my it wasn't my favorite, but
I didn't have that much issue with it. I thought
it was still good, but I but this bothered me
more clearly. We talked about it for forty five minutes.
We just got ben all right, Well, let's let's move on.
Oh god, twenty eight to three lead by the Falcons
in the Super Bowl against the Patriots. All right, again,

(45:04):
nobody's talking about. Man, the Falcons were kicking ass. They're going, well,
how do you blow a twenty eight to three lead?
That's what they talk about, exactly exactly.

Speaker 2 (45:11):
Hey, look, you can, you can. You can date a
woman all you want and court her and treat her
really well. But once you get in the sack, if
you're not good, that's what she's gonna remember. It ain't
all the.

Speaker 1 (45:23):
Great days, Okay, it's how you finished. Son.

Speaker 2 (45:30):
Well, let's say there's no easy way to segue into this,
but we should talk about this.

Speaker 1 (45:34):
Brother.

Speaker 2 (45:34):
Let's leave the world of DC and James Gunn and
let's get into this. Dangelo and I heard about this
today as I was driving in the car, uh taking
the lady outlaw was finally over her car.

Speaker 1 (45:45):
Ten day COVID.

Speaker 2 (45:48):
To run some errands, and we heard the news that D'Angelo,
the legendary R and B singer who helped pioneer neo soul,
died this morning after about with cancer. He was fifty
one years old. All the family confirmed his death in
the statement saying, the shining star of our family is dimmed.
His light for us in this life after a prolonged
and courageous battle with cancer. Or We are heartbroken to

(46:10):
pronounced the passing of Michael DiAngelo Archer. We are sad
that he can only leave dear memories with his family,
but we are eternally grateful for the legacy of extraor
laying movie music, moving music he leaves behind. You know,
for me, obviously, I go to Brown Sugar. That's the
one that I had no idea who D'Angelo was till
I heard that song, and then all these other songs
that came afterwards. Yeah, and Jamel Hill said he released

(46:33):
three albums without a skip in any ofth that you
just listen to them back to back.

Speaker 1 (46:39):
If you were trying to show Lady Outlaw the night
of her life, just put on the D'Angelo albums back
to back to back and go to work, sir. It
is there's a reason why when the untitled how does
It Feel music video came out. Oh yeah, every woman
that listened to R and B had that shit on repeat.

(47:01):
Bro Like he did not f around. So yeah, nah, man,
this is this is rough. This is genuinely rough, and
I and I think, what's bothering me about this? Is
like again, you know, f cancer for real? He was
only fifty one. I was so young. And just the

(47:23):
idea of you know, the you know we joke about
the Michael Irvan we're losing recipes, but like we truly
are losing recipes. Man. It feels like we're just losing
people left and right. We lost Diane Keaton Eaton also
only I believe how old was dying seventy nine, which okay,

(47:44):
definitely older for sure, But like we're just it's it's
not good. It's not it's not good. Like the rate,
it feels like we are losing people left and right, man.
And D'Angelo is definitely one of those, Diane Keaton too,
both in that orbit of like that one's gonna hurt
a number of people, and there I can only think

(48:06):
of a few folks that it's gonna hurt, even were like,
I don't know what I'm gonna do, you know, knock
on wood when like we lose Denzel or jay Z
or you know, uh, you know, hopefully a very long
way away from this, but like because she just retired
and has kid, but like Serena Williams, like and what
she's done for the thing, Like if she goes early

(48:28):
in any form profession and knock on wood, let that
that not even be in the fucking universe. Like it's
gonna be devastating the way that losing Kobe so Young
was devastating, the way losing Chadwick so Young was devastating.
So I just this is rough Man, so sending healing
energy to his family and anybody that you know was
a fan of the yeah and Diana, especially his son, right.

Speaker 2 (48:52):
I mean his son, you know is his mom was
Angie Stone, uh, who.

Speaker 1 (49:00):
Died in a car accident.

Speaker 2 (49:01):
So the fact that he's lost both of his parents
to these tragic situations, I mean, it's devastating. And he
had the grace to send out a message saying I'm
grateful for your thoughts and prayers during these difficult times.
It's been a very rough and sad year for me.
I asked that you please continue to keep me in
your thoughts, as it will not be easy. One thing
that both my parents thought me was to be strong,
and I intend to do just that. So you know

(49:23):
you got to send out the strength to him as well.
And I will say on a personal side, like Dangelo
was from Virginia. I I I grew up in Virginia.
I mean I was born in Philly. We're only there
for like a year. I was raised in Virginia. So
when there's not a lot of artists that come out
of Virginia, like Bruce Hornsby, there's only a few, and
D'Angelo was one of the big ones that come out
of Virginia. So I had like a personal interest in

(49:45):
he's seeing his success. And he was one of these
artists Winston that was not an artist that was like
all right, I finished my next I finish my album.

Speaker 1 (49:51):
Let's move on to the next album. Like there were
large gaps in between ninety five twenty twenty fourteen, and
then he had a compilation album him in two thousand
and eight. But like the thing about Brown Sugar, Voodoo
and Black Messiah Man, just to just to give y'all
like an idea not nominated for the Grammy for not
only Best R and B Song and R and B

(50:13):
Album for Brown Sugar, nominated for Best R and B
Album for Voodoo and one one Best Male R and
B Vocal Performance f N titled how Does It Feel?
And then was nominated for Best R and B Album
for Black Messiah and Best Song and Really Love and
won both of those. He was also recorded nominated for
Record of the Year that year. So like Homie didn't miss,

(50:35):
you know what I'm saying, Like he legitimately did not
miss when it came to putting out records, Like he
he was very meticulous with what he did and so
that's just that is just speaks to how like, Yeah,
he only lost to Like cause that was that was
a rough year. Twenty sixteen. For Record of the Year,

(50:55):
he lost out to Uptown Funk, but that category was
Uptown Funk, Blank Space, Can't Feel My Face his song
Really Love and Thinking Out Loud by Ed Shearon. That's
an insane group of people to be going up against, Yeah,
for a Record of the Year. That's crazy.

Speaker 2 (51:11):
So yeah, yeah, And the thing is with him, he
worked also on the Miseducation of Lauren Hill. Lauren Hill's
like just like signature album in ninety eight, and he
became He became really great friends with Questlove and they
would perform with Prince.

Speaker 1 (51:29):
On occasion before Prince passed on.

Speaker 2 (51:30):
Like imagine being an audience with DiAngelo, Prince and Question
on stage.

Speaker 1 (51:36):
Dude. So Rolling Stone ranked d'angelo's seventy five on the
list of two other Greatest Singers of All Time and
in twenty twenty three, and then Billboard listed him the
forty fifth best R and B singer of all time
in twenty twenty five. Like again, we are not dealing
with the scrub here, like Homie was out here in
these streets killing it. But yeah, like and let's see

(51:59):
in twenty sixteen third album, Black Messiah, Beyonce's self titled
album from twenty thirteen, Run the Jewels, Run the Jewels
two from twenty fourteen, and Kendrick Lamars The Pimp a
Butterfly were noted by The Yale Harold as the groundwork
down for the politically charged releases that happened in twenty sixteen,
which included Rihanna's anti Kanye West, The Life of Problem,
Beyonce's Formation. I mean you know what I'm saying like

(52:19):
he was. He was out here doing things, man, I
like what shoes?

Speaker 2 (52:24):
And yeah he was naked in that video, which was awesome. Yeah,
a lot of He's.

Speaker 1 (52:28):
What I'm saying. Every single woman that listened to R
and D like now had that video on repeat and
kept looking at a man like, why ain't you got
abs and the and the and the com gotta like that?
I don't what are you doing? Everybody?

Speaker 2 (52:42):
Every time I saw the music media would just throw
my hands.

Speaker 1 (52:44):
In how does fit? Like?

Speaker 2 (52:51):
I just man, my brother busy Bruce in here. He
legitimately brought back the church organ to the masses. Yeah
that's that's fantastastic point.

Speaker 1 (53:00):
Fantastic point.

Speaker 2 (53:01):
So yeah, sadly we so we say rest in peace
to DiAngelo. Thank you for all the music, and thanks
for being incredible artist and for influencing so many people
I'm sure who came after you for the way with.

Speaker 1 (53:12):
The work you did as well.

Speaker 2 (53:14):
Absolutely, all right, let's move on to some NFL stuff, Winston.
We're running out of time here, so we know we
got to get to a week six happened over the
weekend with.

Speaker 1 (53:22):
A big fight between the Chiefs and the Lions out.

Speaker 2 (53:24):
Here Branch getting suspended for a game on it, but
it certainly featured the return of the Kansas City Chiefs. Now,
this is I think the third game in a row
where they scored over thirty points, which is something they
hadn't done in a few years. So much to our chagrin, brother,
the Chiefs are not done. The Giants continued winning and

(53:44):
destroyed the Eagles thirty four to seventeen.

Speaker 1 (53:47):
Bro, I do you understand how badly I was waiting
for the show to come back around because this happened
on a Thursday, and I was like, oh, let me
just fucking relish in it. I was like, Yo, where
el at? Where all these people that are like then
you're just jealous and egos? Am I? Or do you
have a problem? And what world do you lose to?

(54:08):
Jackson Dart and Scataboo, who I will give them credit.
I will give them credit, But Scataboo has been munching
on the sixty four pack of Creola crayons. Bro, what
are we talking about him? And fits?

Speaker 2 (54:22):
If it's they slammed naked chest together on this set
of it was insane.

Speaker 1 (54:27):
Bro. The people talk about yeah, the way we say hi,
is he headbuts me. That's that's how that's how we
do things. Like people, They're like, we love Skataboo. He's
an idiot, but we love him because he just he
plays just like rough and tumble, like this is just
how he rolls. So I that is.

Speaker 2 (54:48):
That was a shocking one. The Broncos took care of
the Jets in London thirteen one. The Colts went to
five and one now under Daniel Jones, beating the Cardinals.
The Chargers came back and beat the Dolphins as the
Dolphins back on them. The Patriots are looking like they
have found their magic again, beat the Saints twenty five
to nineteen. Steelers took care of the Browns there with

(55:08):
Dylan Gabriel making his debut as a starting quarterback. The
Panthers squeaked by your Cowboys, bro shocking thirty to twenty seven.
The Seahawks beat the Jacks twenty to twelve. Rams took
care of the Ravens seventeen to three. That season is
over and Lamar should not come back for God's sakes.
The Raiders beat the Titans twenty to ten and caused
Brian Callahan to be fired. A day later. The Packers

(55:29):
beat the Bengals, who were being led by Joe Flacco,
and the Buccaneers crushed the forty nine Ers, who lost
their linebacker there.

Speaker 1 (55:38):
For the season. And the Chiefs came back down to Earth. Hey,
Matt Jones came back down to Earth. For sure. The
Chiefs took care of the lines.

Speaker 2 (55:44):
As I said to start off this segment, the Falcons
took care of the Bills last night, and sadly, my
commanders blew it in the end with Jaydon Daniels fumbling
that handoff to Bill and Jake Moody, who honestly needed
a you know, a redemption arc was called off the
practice squad from the Bears and kick the game winning

(56:05):
field goals. So an interesting slate of games here, man,
what else besides the Eagles game? Do you want to
talk about? Do you want to talk about your Cowboys?

Speaker 1 (56:12):
Now? Keep talking about the Eagles down plan? I mean,
I think what's what's gonna bother me is I think
that Dak Prescott is having as good, if not better
of a season than Baker Mayfield to be lost, and
yet he will not be in the final MVP conversation
if this team cannot somehow rally behind him and stop

(56:32):
letting them lose games or tie games. There's no reason
you couldn't have held the Packers in that ot. There's
no reason that Dwaddle should have been able to end
up getting two hundred and thirty nine yards because like
Data warned him. He said, he said it the week before,
he said, I warned y'all, y'all better get ready because
I got something to show you. And you let this
man embarrass And that's not Dak' swell. Dak played pretty

(56:53):
damn flawless. The defense is just generational cheeks, bro, and
like it's it's it sucks to see that.

Speaker 2 (57:03):
Now it's ta putting too much pressure on Dak and
Dak is going to snap a hamstring or something God
forbid because you're you're relying on him to keep you
in these games.

Speaker 1 (57:12):
You know you could be knock on woods. You set
up a bit. But I will tell you here's the
thing that I think is very interesting that we really
need to take a genuine look at here. One I
stand by, who have the car The Colts played totally.
The only team is the Broncos, and you squeak that
out with the one point victory you're now playing the charters,

(57:33):
who aren't great. They're kind of all over the place.
But that gives you at least somewhat of a challenge.
Titans just fire the coach, so we're not worried about them.
The Steelers are somehow holding on and doing what they're doing,
so that might be a little bit of a challenge.
I can't say about the Falcons. It feels like they
just played a really good game last night. They might
be back, they might be kicked my commanders, and they

(57:54):
beat these Bills. You gotta take notes. So that so
that's it. That looks like a challenge. Then you got
the Chiefs. That's gonna be a real chant. Texans. At
the very least, what I can give the Texans is
that defense don't play, So you're really going to put
it to Daniel Jones in a division game to see
how good you can actually do. The Jaguars are apparently
pretty legit. The Niners are legit. The Seahawks are pretty legit.

(58:16):
So you got to deal with two Jaguars games, the
Seahawks and Niners, and the Texans against you have like
a death row gambit. Starting with the Steelers on I
want to see what the Colts do then, and someone
pointed out with the Lions, all their wins are against
subpar teams. The Bears looks pretty good, like they're not
there yet, but they're starting to come out of their shell,

(58:38):
like maybe they needed that she lacking to wake up.
But they lost to the Packers, like a pretty decent team.
You beat the Ravens, but the Ravens are apparently horrible.
Beat the Browns, but the Browns are also horrible. You
beat the Bengals, but the Bengals are also horrible. Up
against the Chiefs and they beat your ass. What happens

(58:59):
this week? Now, Baker Mayfield, who is on a tear?
What happens you know when you get to the Commanders,
which I know that was a sad loss, but you
guys are still holding it together pretty well. What happens
I periout the problem?

Speaker 2 (59:10):
Yeah, three turns of turnovers and we still had a
chance to win that game.

Speaker 1 (59:13):
Yeah, you're right. So, like you, you haven't really faced
any true challenges. The Lions haven't, and when you have,
you got whooped. So I'm also very worried about the Lions. Man.
And then the last thing with the Ravens. I mean, look,
the only way that Lamar comes back, and he's a baller,
I feel like you will. Here's your schedule, pretty cupcake.
Bears were giving them about a mid grade. Now they're

(59:35):
finally kind of coming into their own. Lamar can go
and beat that team, Dolphins. That's that's that's a wrap.
Go beat the Dolphins. Vikings haven't really proven anything to
me really at this point. Go beat the Vikings. Browns,
go beat the Browns. Jets winless, Go beat the Jets. Bengals.
If if Joey B Is back that game, don't die, man,

(59:59):
are you I just need to call there? We go hello.
So then you got what Bengal Steelers, Bengals, Yeah, A
three two look good, Packers, Steelers. So you would need
to then run the table to do anything. So if
you feel like you can get the get right game
and get these first one, two, three, four five games,

(01:00:20):
do that, you would need to do that, and then
that would put you at six and five. Yeah, and
then from there you really cannot screw up going forward
with then legitimate threats. Yeah, and the Steelers Patriots, Packers,
Steelers again, and then if Joey B's back and balling
two games against the Bengals, So.

Speaker 2 (01:00:36):
I mean, you can see us in it, but I
mean it's the defense that's the problem. It would be
different if like they were squeaking out losses, do you
know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (01:00:44):
Like they were losing but it was close.

Speaker 2 (01:00:46):
But they're getting blown out in games, and that to
me tells me that no matter who's the quarterback, it's
the defense that's the issue. So you got a Lamar
coming off of injury, are you going to risk his
long term health to have him play to carry the
team when the defense is going to do its job
to keep you in these games?

Speaker 1 (01:01:03):
Anyway, I think it's dangerous. I think they can.

Speaker 2 (01:01:06):
Absolutely, there's no whorld. Well sorry, there's no reason to
believe they couldn't run the table if they wanted to
with a healthy Lamar and a good defense, because I
think the Steelers are pretenders. I think the Bengals, they'll
get Joe Burrow back for the second game, but the
first game you're going to be playing the Joe Flacco Bengals.
You can crush the Dolphins, Jets, as you said, the Browns,
the Vikings possibly all they might be frisky. The Patriots

(01:01:28):
will be tough. Packers could be tough. Steelers won't be.
So I think it's actually there's a possibility here. But honestly,
if you lose another game or two and he can't go, like,
you gotta wrap it up because you don't want to
risk him getting injured for a lost season, it doesn't
make any sense.

Speaker 1 (01:01:42):
No, you don't, you don't. You definitely don't want to
do that. But I also think that there's no way
that John doesn't attempt to get him out there. Oh sure,
because I think he's playing for his job right now.
We're already in a stage when you're one in five.
He's kind of playing for his job, right Well, what
do you make of these giants? Man? I mean, are
they going to take the commander's slot? Like are we?

Speaker 2 (01:02:05):
Are we not going to make the playoffs and somehow
the Commanders are going to take that wild card in
the in the NFC East, Like.

Speaker 1 (01:02:11):
That's actually pretty interesting to think about. I mean, we've
still got a half game on them. Let's let's look
at their schedule, because the truth is they were fourth,
so that means they should have an easier schedule overall.
But let's see, shit, dude, they got to play the Broncos.
They gotta play then they gotta play the Eagles again,

(01:02:31):
which I know you beat them once before. You you
just beat them, but I gotta believe you were you
were in New York and Bay. There is no way
that the Eagles don't take that licking and go oh
hell no, unless the Eagles collapse is fully happening. I
don't believe a full collapse is happening. But I think

(01:02:52):
that that one loss wasn't enough. They needed a wake
up call, and losing to the worst team in the division,
that's a wake up call because you damn near again,
the Eagles damn near almost lost to US week one? Yeah,
like which was which would like? How many games did
they almost lose? And I kept saying that, and everybody's like,
you're just a hater or am I trying to call

(01:03:14):
a spade as pade? Bro you? Why are you? The
Chiefs were not good at the time. Why was it
that close? Why was it that close with the Rams
and the Buccaneers that it took special teams, crazy miracle
plays of punt blocks or field goal blocks for you
to win. That's not that's not a quality win that is,
you know, so they're gonna need to put some quality stuff.

(01:03:37):
But I think the Giants are gonna make noice. I
think you'll be fine. I think, don't be so hard
on yourself. The Commanders. I ultimately think the Commanders will
probably win the division. I think the Eagles right now
just based off of what I'm seeing, and I need
to see how this plays out. I think that the
Washington steals the division, but Philadelphia still makes it to
the playoffs and becomes the bigger threat out of all

(01:03:58):
of the all of the teams the NFC East that
make it, because I don't think I don't think the
egle say that. You know, it would be really funny though,
and this was this is one pundit was talking about this,
What if you trade AJ Brown to the Patriots and
you give Drake May like a legitimate weapon to go

(01:04:18):
out there and ball out with it, because on top
of that, you don't like if this, if if a J.
Brown is somehow causing some sort of like little riff
or something, then then you pull that off. You can
probably get a steal of stuff for a J. Brown
because he's still in his prime, and the Eagles could
get right and the Patriots, but could come even deadlier,

(01:04:40):
you know what I'm saying, Like, maybe you trade aj
Brown for some crazy defensive player to help you on
that back end and a draft pick or two to
like replenish since you know Devonte' Smidt now becomes your
number one and you're gonna want somebody else down the line,
Like that would be crazy. I I didn't want.

Speaker 2 (01:04:56):
To believe you a few weeks ago. I'm gonna wrap
up on this. I didn't want to believe you a
few weeks But these Buccaneers are for real, bro, Like.

Speaker 1 (01:05:04):
There's a reason they were my Super Bowl pick. Bro.

Speaker 2 (01:05:06):
I mean yeah, when you said it, I was like, yeah,
I hear Baker's gonna choke. But no, no, I mean,
and I said it last week, Like you could argue
that he legitimately might get this MVP like that is
probably going to six games into the season, and I
have to say it feels very, very possible if he
maintains this level of playing. The team is rallying around him,

(01:05:29):
and he's doing this, by the way, he won this
game with or without, like his hot receivers. Godwin went out,
Evans was out for the game, and then the rookie
had a concussion and he was able to lead them
to the victory.

Speaker 1 (01:05:41):
You here's their injury report. You don't have Bucky Irving,
you're starting running back. You don't have Chris Godwin or
Mike Evans, your X and Y receivers and uh at
Buka at Buka that you had that became this this
like breakout star like you said, he got hurt. Lord
knows how many different other Yeah, Jayleen mcmvillen, who's on
injured reserve. You lost an O lineman, you lost the safety,

(01:06:04):
You've lost a tight end, you lost a d tackle,
You've lost a guard, You've lost another wide receiver, you
lost another safety and another life back, like you have
so many injuries. And he is five and one and
embarrassing people and at the top of the stats charts,
like Baker Mayfield will probably end up winning MVP if
he continues at the grade. And I hate that Dak
Prescott should be in that same conversation. But your defense

(01:06:26):
is actually holding. You have Todd Bowles actually putting a
solid defensive front together. Whereas what made us think that
eber Flus was gonna be just this great defensive coordinator.

Speaker 2 (01:06:37):
Okay, someone Boogey says he damn sure choked in Seagulls.

Speaker 1 (01:06:41):
Yeah. Sure, but they're.

Speaker 2 (01:06:42):
Five and one and then you're allowed to one and
the one again defendol champions on.

Speaker 1 (01:06:47):
The last play. I mean that's not again, did they
choke or was that another special teams play that actually
saved the Eagles? And then Baker got a little desperate.
But any other time he's done that, he's been just fine. Like,
let's forget that. It literally, if I remember correctly, it
was either a punt or a field goal that was blocked.
Yet again, Yeah, there was special teams bailing out. Yeah,

(01:07:10):
but that's fine. Like I said, Eagles fans don't want
to hear because they're like, where the champs? Blah blah blah.
That's fine. Do you want to be the champions? Do
you want to be a dynasty? I'm gonna keep saying
that to them every single time. Do you want to
be the chiefs of the last few years? Or do
you want to be the one off like the Seahawks
that won the one and then blew it in the
next one and then we're never heard from again.

Speaker 2 (01:07:28):
In the Super Bowl, Yeah, it's gonna be It's gonna
be interesting to see what happens with them, because I'm
kind of quietly cheering for them now because like, there's
there'd be no greater redemption story in the NFL quite
like a person who was thought to be a washed
out time was over quarterback who never panned out, goes

(01:07:49):
to another team, rebuilds himself, could win the MVP and
possibly win the Super Bowl, and maybe even the Super
Bowl MVP. There would be that would just be enough.
They would build a statue to him in Tampa for
God's sake.

Speaker 1 (01:08:03):
Absolutely, And I will let me tell you something right now.
I'm glad he's in here because I knew, I knew,
I knew if you said Eagles too many times, he
would appear like Eagles, Eagles, Eagles Eagles, like I was
like talking about my Eagles. Yes, special teams is a
part of the game. I'll tell you that all day,
because the greatest kicker of all time plays for the Cowboys.
But let me ask you a question. Who is winning

(01:08:25):
games to the wire like and winning championships because the
best of their three units is their special teams unite
one of your one of the primary units needs to
be the star of the show, and special teams needs
to be that that icing on the cake. Your defense
is letting too many people score on them. Your offense
doesn't know what their identity is anymore. The best unit

(01:08:48):
you have on the field is your special teams. That's
not good. Yeah, that's not good. That's not good. No, no, no,
all right. So I didn't say it wasn't important. I
said it can't be the are that's that's Come on, man,
that the dude, you Lil Rel is amazing and get out.
That is he does not make the movie, all right,

(01:09:09):
he does not make the movie. He is what puts
it to the next level. If Daniel isn't so convincing
in the Sunken Place, if if if the lifelessness in
the eyes of Alison Williams, Yeah, when she's when she's
like eating the separated fruit loops and drinking the milk, well,
looking at w n C A top prospects. If that
ship don't hit, anybody care about Little Rel's ass. That's true,

(01:09:33):
that's true.

Speaker 2 (01:09:34):
Yeah, speaking of the last Little Rel, come on, dog,
you're gonna you're gonna become a skeleton before it's all over.

Speaker 1 (01:09:39):
Bro, Come on eat a sandwich. He is so skinny.
Now have you seen him when he was someone he
was on? Uh what's her name? Uh, Jennifer Hudson. Oh yeah, No,
he looks he looks good. But like I, I didn't
know if he lost more, if he lost more at sc.

Speaker 2 (01:10:00):
All right, how much time you got because we're going
to jump into the questions or do you want to
say anything quickly about the w NBA and and the
Aces winning.

Speaker 1 (01:10:06):
I feel like we eulation to the aces Man dynasty
did three titles four years, like the three time MVP
helping you lead the way for that or four time
MVP excuse me, swept in the finals. I mean, I
understand that you're dealing with some injuries there, but but congratulations. Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:10:24):
Is the Duana Bonner hate warranted or not warranted? Some
of these memes were cracking me up.

Speaker 1 (01:10:27):
Bro, I don't remember what she did.

Speaker 2 (01:10:31):
Well, she left the fever and claimed h you know,
she quit the fever and claimed that she had had
harassment and racism and blah blah blah, and a lot
of people came after her for that. And then after
the Aces won, Uh, there were a lot of do
wanna Bonnar memes on Twitter, and she called them cyber bullying,
but some of them.

Speaker 1 (01:10:50):
Listen, some of them were really funny.

Speaker 2 (01:10:52):
So wow, I.

Speaker 1 (01:10:55):
Don't know, Uh, maybe I need to go and look
this up. But like that's I'll tell you this. I
understand that y'all were dealing with injuries, but y'all didn't
make no finals. So maybe get off to Hona Bonnor's back,
like like what Like I get that you were like
hanging on by a thread and and you you were
really sticking it and you were hanging in there. But
at the end of the day, she she made a finals.

(01:11:19):
It is what it is. Nobody nobody at the end
of the day, Nobody goes back and goes man, that
was a team that really had a lot of injuries
that year. They go, you either won or you didn't win.
So it's true.

Speaker 2 (01:11:28):
I just think they were mad for being painted a
certain way, especially because there are a number of great
black players on the team. Never I have never had
any of those kinds of issues. And the fact that
she went to play with her wife in Phoenix, like
people felt it was a little bit of a.

Speaker 1 (01:11:40):
That was narrative. Now, the best meme by far Asia
Wilson the first player in basketball history to a game
winning shot over a married couple. That was fantastic. I
thought that was hilarious but also amazing.

Speaker 2 (01:12:00):
Yeah, my favorite do Wanta bonno one was that she
tried to quit the Mercury at halftime and join the
Aces before the second half.

Speaker 1 (01:12:07):
That was that was kind of fun.

Speaker 2 (01:12:08):
Anyway, Wow, let's get to the questions and shout out
to the Aces and especially Asia. Incredible and she's the
goat and the coach. I mean, like she's that's Becky Hammond.
Like they asked Mark Davis in the press conference, what's
what's it like having They said something like Becky Hammond
wasn't the highest paid coach in the w n b

(01:12:29):
A and she's still winning titles and Mark says she
isn't and that might be lead to a race, so
that reporter should get a percentage of whatever race she
got to.

Speaker 1 (01:12:38):
I mean that. I think this further solidifies that the
greatest basketball coach of all time is Greg Popovich because
this of his coach. Yes, she was able to help
coach the Spurs herself in his absence.

Speaker 2 (01:12:50):
Yeah, she's got to move over to the NBA, like
I mean, there are a lot of shitty male coaches
the NBA.

Speaker 1 (01:12:55):
She can coach out coach she wants to. I think
she's having fun out here, kicking ass and starting a
dynasty in the dub Man. That's true.

Speaker 2 (01:13:03):
I'll take her on the Wizards right fucking now. Cowboys fan,
I two says, Hey Marshall, hope you good, hope you good?
Damn your Cowboys defense. Man, We were right there. We
had that game, man, but our team could not hold
the line, plus missing those two touchdowns that would have
sealed it. Also, man, that WNBA season was crazy, along
with the finals. I like some of I stayed locked
in on the w after Clark got injured. Congrats Vegas,
go Fever and Wing say.

Speaker 1 (01:13:25):
Go Wings, go go Spurs, but obviously go Aces. I
was That's what I was pulling for once my spurs
and wings were knocked out. All that being said, uh yeah, no,
the Cowboys are are It's hilarious to me. Jerry Jones
was like, yeah, no, we're going. We're going to stop
the run. We have problems stopping the run, and so
we feel like this Maca trade will give us the

(01:13:46):
opportunity to stop the run. You know Clark was very good. Rokie,
you want to take a wild guess where the Cowboys
rank and defense now now that Micah is gone thirty
second they are thirty second in defense since losing Micah,
which proves that Micah was actually preventing the team from
going off of a cliff. One person crazy, that's just

(01:14:08):
but that goes to show how good he was. Just
by the nature of putting that much pressure on the quarterback,
it saved a lot of stuff. And to be honest,
it's why I love Diggs and I love brand and
I know that they're not a bland and they're not
quite healthy, fully, but when you put the pressure on

(01:14:29):
the quarterback, he has to make a shitty throw and
these corners that were ball howks like that can go great,
You're like, but if they have plenty of time and
then they can get beat up. The number of times
I've seen Diggs fall over or get too excited about
trying to get an interception and instead jumps and gets
beat Yeah, it's because you had Micap applying that pressure
and now you can't so and look look how amazing

(01:14:51):
he's been on the Packers.

Speaker 2 (01:14:52):
Michael Miles, is this problem I see with the finales
in James Gunn's mind, setting up Salvation and Checkmate is
the equivalent to the setting up Crisis.

Speaker 1 (01:14:58):
And Justice League. I agree.

Speaker 2 (01:15:00):
I agree one hundred percent, and I think this is
what drives me nuts. The comic book nerds in our
bubble are like, you guys don't get it. It was
amazing what he did. The fact that the casuals don't
get it is a issue, all right. He is not
directing movies for the five to ten percent of you,
or shows that get the Salvation thing. He's supposed to

(01:15:21):
be bringing in the ninety percent of the other people
that don't get it, all right. He's not making shows
for your comic book nerds sitting in the back of
your combook shops, reading your com books on your stools.
He's supposed to be doing it for everybody. And so
when you pitch and hype that this finale is going
to be this amazing thing, and then it's like things
that they that ninety percent of the units doesn't fucking

(01:15:42):
know about, it doesn't make sense. It's not as groundbreaking
as he pitched it to me.

Speaker 1 (01:15:47):
In my wad, It's just not it's not you. You
need to be able to do both. Because the thing
about superhero movies, they're supposed to be they're supposed to
be four quadrant movies and four quadrant shows. And that
doesn't mean you don't put your ner your fan service
in there. You do, but like you have got to

(01:16:08):
do something that keeps everybody in it. And if you're
two inside baseball, you're gonna scare off casuals. And if
you scare off casuals, the budgets go down. If the
budgets go down, yeah, it's not gonna look good.

Speaker 2 (01:16:21):
Doug Debotmer says, my shitty Jets are drafting a quarterback
dot dot dot again. This time I want to draft
a quarterback who worked hard overcame obstacles than one with
God given talent. Examples, Rogers and Allen had to start
in community college, Baker was a walk on, Burrow had
to transfer. Lamar Jackson went to Louisville because it was
the only school that promised him that he would play QB.

(01:16:44):
And Brady said that he was so depressed in Michigan
he wanted to transfer to cow but instead he worked
his way up the death chart to finally start that said,
my Jets will probably fuck him up anyway.

Speaker 1 (01:16:54):
Thank you, Doug for all those contributions. Thank you for
all of those amazing super chats and taking me down
the history of the Jets being a dumpster fire organization.
I honestly think, and this is what's hard to see
Sam Darnold having a resurgence. Oh good, I gotta point
out that I think gets your organization. Yeah, And I'm

(01:17:17):
sorry to say that. And it's kind of the same
thing I've said at times about the Cowboys. The funny
thing is we find a way to actually bring the
breast the best out of the players, but then we
fall apart as a team. Something is wrong there. But
like there is something specific with the New York Jets.
I don't know what keeps happening, But like you, you
do end up taking people with incredible talent and then

(01:17:38):
you ship the bed. I don't I don't understand. It's
fucking witty man.

Speaker 2 (01:17:43):
When you have a bad owner, it bleeds all that energy, bleeds.

Speaker 1 (01:17:48):
All the way down. It really does.

Speaker 2 (01:17:51):
Like even Zach, where's Zach Wilson now? Isn't he backing
up somebody right now?

Speaker 1 (01:17:55):
Zach? I thought he was backing up people and backing
up somebody I don't remember, remember Miami, right.

Speaker 2 (01:18:01):
He's with Miami now Zach backing up?

Speaker 1 (01:18:04):
Lord will put him in because I would trust him
over Tua. Yeah, no offense.

Speaker 2 (01:18:10):
Even they even had Joe Flacco in twenty two was
still doing his thing, Bro, Bro.

Speaker 1 (01:18:15):
Tua out here saying, yeah, you know, we're having like
player meetings and people like are showing up. You know
what that means, Bro? Your teammates don't respect you anything
one hundred percent. Tarik Hill was applauding, with his knees
shattered in a million pieces, that he didn't have to
attempt to catch bolts from you anymore.

Speaker 2 (01:18:33):
Bro, Lord, imagine a Patriots player missing a Tom Brady
led meeting for your fucking insane You.

Speaker 1 (01:18:41):
Would never play again. You would be cut from the team.
Brady would immediately have you cut. Yeah, exactly exactly. Uh.

Speaker 2 (01:18:50):
Frand Tessa Scatabo had to mohawky bet John Riggins, what.

Speaker 1 (01:18:56):
I am jealous? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:18:57):
I mean Riggins wasn't a crazy knuball likes.

Speaker 1 (01:19:00):
I never saw the movie. I just saw the show,
and I love that that Riggins too, man, oh yeah hee,
he just gottaboo seems like he just drinks beers and
crushes the cans on his head as his warm up,
Like when they're like, all right, everybody, go get water
before we start practice. He crushes a butt light on
his head after drinking it and then goes in and
gets ready to do seven on seven.

Speaker 2 (01:19:20):
For those who get the reference, he's mongo in blazing
saddles Scutta Bowl run ball.

Speaker 1 (01:19:31):
I said watching him as like watching for his Gump.
It's watching Forrest Gump play for Alabama and literally run
the length of the stadium, past and through everybody and
then run right out the tunnel front run I was
run then.

Speaker 2 (01:19:49):
Best there's recalls his best Snyder in here saying Joe
Burrow spokesman for Life Alert.

Speaker 1 (01:19:53):
Oh yikes, come on now, I mean we said this before.
I hate this because I love Joe. He is genuinely,
genuinely looking like the reincarnation of Andrew Luck right now,
an insane amount of talent that, just because of injuries,
will not meet his full potential. Yeah, I'm really concerned
about it.

Speaker 2 (01:20:13):
What if in the end, his greatest season was the
season he went to the Super Bowl. That's and that
was like literally one of his first couple of seasons.

Speaker 1 (01:20:19):
He would have then done more than Andrew Luck.

Speaker 2 (01:20:21):
That's true. Yeah, I mean luck about it, dude. Luck
was incredible. He was so good. No, dude, I fuck man.
I was so sad when he retired. But I also
I totally got it like that. He's so exhausting and costing,
be injured and have to rehab all the time. That's
not what you want to do with your life, you know,
Jam says Rip. Drew strewsan right elevated his field Detroit. Yeah,

(01:20:43):
we lost him this morning. Another great artist gone brows
Strews the recipes man. Yeah, so many posters, so many
iconic posters from him, and what incredible artist.

Speaker 1 (01:20:54):
Rip for sure.

Speaker 2 (01:20:55):
Prinsic Lopez says he's got one of two in Peacemaker Ive. No,
I'm not exploring more on Earth X because one they
are there to get Chris back too. I don't see
the reason to liberate the color people unless Leona and
Judo Master were captured and put on their three. That's
not their earth and their battle. It's just my thing. Yeah,
that makes all the sense in the world. Hey, it's
not my Earth, not my battle. Sorry, guys, Sorry that

(01:21:16):
I'm watching human beings being enslaved.

Speaker 1 (01:21:18):
Fucking it's not my earth, not my fucking problem. What
what hero does that? What are you talking about, Francisco.

Speaker 2 (01:21:25):
Do you see other people getting killed in other countries
and go, you know what, not my fucking problem, not
my country.

Speaker 1 (01:21:29):
Come on, man, you don't have to go that hard
on Francisco. But I think, I know, I know, but
I but but where I again, where I push back
is think about what Aggi actually said. Oh good for
you if on your planet every time something evil happens
that you actually go up and stop it. He called
Algi essentially called them out on their hypocrisy of trying
to be like you live in a Nazi planet. Okay,

(01:21:49):
do you have you solved every problem as your Earth
or utopia? So I just again, I think what the
issue is. You're opening up something that on its own,
it's It's what my frustration has been with X men
constantly trying to do the dark Phoenix saga. This is
not something you squeeze in in two seconds and do whatever.
It is the build up of how the Phoenix actually
is such an important like entity to the universe. But

(01:22:13):
then when she tastes emotions, she loses it and you
kidnap Gene in the process, and now it's an existential
threat to everything You're trying to do that in a
ninety to two hour movie. That's insane. That's a saga
that could have literally been if you were treating it
like phases in the MCU, that could have been a
whole phase of the X Men Extended Universe or whatever

(01:22:34):
Fox was doing right Earth x is not a We're
kind of using it as like a little teaser for
something that that could have been dedicated for an entire season.
That is my problem. You were taking on something bigger
than what you gave it proper time for.

Speaker 2 (01:22:48):
Yeah, exactly exactly. Chris Corcoran says, have you seen Smiling Friends?
New Season's funny as fuck? I don't watch slilen the
phrase do you watch Smiling Friends?

Speaker 1 (01:22:56):
Winston on NIM I don't. I've heard good things, but
I do not.

Speaker 2 (01:22:59):
Yeah, seeing it, Chris, Thanks for the suggestion, though.

Speaker 1 (01:23:02):
I think we tried to watch an episode one night.

Speaker 2 (01:23:04):
And Linley was like, turn this fucking shit off after
ten minutes, so it was she doesn't like weird animated shit.

Speaker 1 (01:23:09):
It's not really her jam. I highly recommend and maybe
it's just that you watch I want to say it
is it's it's look called like side effects or something
like that. Oh, yes, side effects, yes, yes, yes, not
not the movie. It was like hold on the animated one, yeah,
and animated common side effects. Yes, common side effects is fantastic.

(01:23:34):
And you want to talk about really taking it to
the pharmaceutical industry. Holy shit, it is so good. I
cannot wait for I hope there's a second season, right,
all right, hit these three streamlines. We get it out
of here once.

Speaker 2 (01:23:46):
I know you gotta go, so Freant tasks says frand
task to three fourteen says, hey, t killers a good
weekend at football for me, Texas won, the Cowboys were
the Cowboys, and Bijeon went off.

Speaker 1 (01:23:56):
Man.

Speaker 2 (01:23:56):
Question, is there a Christmas movie that gets put on
your rotation.

Speaker 1 (01:24:00):
This time of year? For me?

Speaker 2 (01:24:01):
And I'm proud to say it it's Red One.

Speaker 1 (01:24:03):
It is fun.

Speaker 2 (01:24:04):
Oh my god, Fred, you have the most unusual tastes.

Speaker 1 (01:24:08):
Bro.

Speaker 2 (01:24:08):
I love you in respect and I thank you so
much that you watch my content and contribute. But I
gotta say, man, your taste is so out there sometimes, brother,
much love to you though.

Speaker 1 (01:24:17):
Red One I do not like Red One at all.
I never saw Red One because everybody kept saying about
it was I mean, we watch Christmas vacation every year.
I watch Friday after Next every year. I watching all
the way every year, but not now. It's it's we
haven't even hit Halloween. The hell you mean? Is there
a Christmas movie on my rotation right now? Bro? Can

(01:24:38):
we get through Thanksgiving? Get me through Thanksgiving? And then
I start watching Christmas movies? No?

Speaker 2 (01:24:43):
No, I'm jumping into it November first, and I don't
wrong with you.

Speaker 1 (01:24:46):
I don't believe in Thanksgiving. It's nothing to me. It's
Christmas for two months. God damn it, Jesus, especially with
how crazy the world is.

Speaker 2 (01:24:52):
I need to disappear to a fake fantasy of snowy snow.

Speaker 1 (01:24:57):
Ask your ass, is you watch Christmas movies in November?
I don't believe that I love Christmas. You're gonna sit down,
You're gonna love Christmas? Yeah, I'm just functioned on Christmas.
Everybody's heavy. Uh? What God? What movie is that? I
can't remember where the mom literally has a breakdown of
you gonna sit there having holidays everybody? This God, I

(01:25:18):
can't remember what movie that is. Hold on. Uh.

Speaker 2 (01:25:22):
I would say Just Friends is one that I always
add to my rotation for on Christmas.

Speaker 1 (01:25:26):
I love Just Friends.

Speaker 2 (01:25:27):
I've recently started adding on the Hawkeye series. I love
the Hawkeye series. It's so perfect for Christmas. Obviously, love
actually Elf all those other ones that I had that
I love to watch at Christmas time as well, and and.

Speaker 1 (01:25:40):
Uh uh uh.

Speaker 2 (01:25:43):
It's a wonderful life of course, that's one of my
favorite part.

Speaker 1 (01:25:45):
None nice. I love to watch cheese like four Christmases.
I will defend you, know, tell you, I'll tell this.

Speaker 2 (01:25:51):
I'm really critical about all kinds of movies, but Christmas
movies get such a pass with me that it's it's
so unfair. Like I'll even watch Saving Christmas, the ben
Affleck one.

Speaker 1 (01:26:04):
I even like that Christmas is actually funny though, just
for Favreau and his wife playing taboo. Oh my gosh,
just that scene that thing we did last night. Ain yes,
just the fact that they know these clues and every
time he gets yes, like its just I love those things, man.

Speaker 2 (01:26:27):
I even watched the Hallmark Channel, those cheesy Christmas movies
on the Hallmark Channel.

Speaker 1 (01:26:30):
God help me.

Speaker 2 (01:26:31):
Fantastic three fourteen says, hey, t qulous, I'm completely on
your side except for this. When starting a new venture,
I can see why James gun is so hands on.
You want to get your creation going in the right
direction before you hand it.

Speaker 1 (01:26:42):
Off to your minions.

Speaker 2 (01:26:43):
Well yes, but if I didn't do that, Fyo wasn't
out there directing these films. He got the right people involved,
got them on task, got.

Speaker 1 (01:26:53):
Them to buy to the vision, and they delivered. These
people are not minions.

Speaker 2 (01:26:57):
Craig Gillespie is not a minion, like these are great directors.
He was talking to Luca Guananino like, these are.

Speaker 1 (01:27:04):
Incredibly talented people.

Speaker 2 (01:27:05):
So I think that there's a little bit of James's
ego to want to do this thing. You can't tell
me there aren't great Superman directors out there he could
hire to do Superman.

Speaker 1 (01:27:14):
For God's sake, I'm not even saying that he couldn't
have done that. But again, I think what the issue
is is just that you're not You're not specifically like,
you weren't hired as chief director of DC Studios. You
were hired as CEO and studio head of DC Studios,

(01:27:35):
meaning you have more responsibilities than the individual projects you
were in charge of them all. So unless we want
to just make Peter Saffron the full blown CEO to
handle that and then he's allowed to just kind of
go do what he wants. Yeah, sure, but that's not
kind of what this was. And what I worry about
again is what he himself said, he's burning out. You're

(01:27:57):
burning out because you're doing too much. You that so
often as someone with ADHD. That's something I had to
learn very quickly. Why I keep getting into trouble as
I try and do too much? Yep, you burn your
stuff out.

Speaker 2 (01:28:08):
People used to say that about me years ago, because
I was hosting shows on all these different channels and
doing my podcast, and like, eventually you just hit that wall.
Like it's because you want to do a lot, because
you want to be known, you want to be seen,
you know. Even at Collider sometimes I would have I
would butt heads with some of the production because they
were like, why do you want to do everything?

Speaker 1 (01:28:27):
And the thing is I wanted to do everything so
I could learn as quickly as possible.

Speaker 2 (01:28:30):
But I see now in retrospect, how that how that
could have come off as I was trying to be
egotistical when it was actually me just wanting to learn
as quickly as possible because I was older than everybody else,
you know, and I had more time to I had
time to catch up on that kind.

Speaker 1 (01:28:43):
Of stuff, you know. But I hear you're absolutely right,
you eventually hit that wall.

Speaker 2 (01:28:47):
Tim says, Johnny Boy, any chances that you become an
F one fan, not the movie but the sport, Oh,
Netflix's Drive to Survive as a good way to know
the drama that goes on with the sport. Tim, I
gotta be honest with you. I've thought about it many
many times. It just seems so overwhelming to learn F one.

Speaker 1 (01:29:00):
But maybe you're right.

Speaker 2 (01:29:01):
Maybe I give a chance to Drive to Survive and
if I like it, I'll start to get some terminology
and knowledge about this stuff and maybe open the door
to it. I'm always interested in something new to enjoy,
and F one is certainly just from watching F one,
I know that it's a really fantastic sport and people
are really in love with and it's global, which I
kind of like because I'm a big football soccer fan.
So Doug Developer says, yes, I sound like a jealous

(01:29:23):
Jets fan. But let's cool down with the Jackson dark Glazing.
The Eagles weren't were an emotionally broken team going into
enemy territory in a short week.

Speaker 1 (01:29:32):
So the Giants that you were emotionally broken. Okay. All
I've heard from El Boogie and every other yes man
is that they're the champs and we're all haters. So yeah,
I think, which is it? Which? Which is it? Am I?
Am I a hater? Or or and they and their kings?
Or are they emotionally broken? It down? Tu, You're the

(01:29:55):
afding champs.

Speaker 2 (01:29:56):
This idea of being emotionally broken doesn't ever factor into it.

Speaker 1 (01:29:59):
You're the defending You don't call yourself top dog and
be like I was having a rough things like you think.
You think, you think Batman, you think because they love
to call themselves like the big dog, you think Batman
is like, hey joker. You know what, man, I'm so sorry,
Like I know you're one of my greatest rivals. I
just can't do it today.

Speaker 2 (01:30:15):
Man.

Speaker 1 (01:30:16):
I'm emotionally broken, all right, I'm emotionally broken. That's fair.
That's fair, Boogie. From from one nf A and an
NFC East fan to another, it is you challenging my opinion.
I get that but but I think it's kind of
crazy call them emotionally broken. I know you do it,
but I think that's crazy. Did somebody die? Like? Did did? Did? Did?

(01:30:37):
Did somebody did somebody's on the team, like, did they
like lose a loved one or something that's emotionally broken?
You know what I mean? He just did you beat
did did one of your top players have a season
ending injury or a career ending you knock on wood
that none of that would happen. That's emotionally broken because

(01:30:57):
you lost the game. Suck it up, butter, cut up.

Speaker 2 (01:31:00):
It's the next week. Yeah, welcome to the NFL. Exactly,
give me a break. The defending champions give me. If anything,
they smell blood in the water. If the Eagles do
not get it together, people are.

Speaker 1 (01:31:11):
Like, oh oh yeah they can get got got let's
get them. Then.

Speaker 2 (01:31:15):
Yeah, you're only as good as the illusion of how.

Speaker 1 (01:31:17):
Good you are. Some of our some of our fans
do act emotionally broken.

Speaker 2 (01:31:23):
Well yeah, that's why they eat horseshit even when they
win the super Bowl, which makes no sense.

Speaker 1 (01:31:28):
Haskell four twenty syson guys Wood, he is trash. We
may be trading. Oh sorry, WinCE let me bring that up.
Sorry about that. I know we've got to run here,
but he said here we go said, uh, hey, guys,
what are is trash?

Speaker 2 (01:31:38):
We may be trading Breese Hall, who is a stud
running back who can catch what good team would become
a serious super Bowl threat with him at running back.

Speaker 1 (01:31:45):
Wow. I mean if you send Breese to because right
now Davante is doing great, so I don't even feel
like we necessarily need him. But I'm trying to think,
let's let's look at the I'll tell you who it is.
It's the Chiefs. If the Chiefs get Breese Hold, it's over.
Get it. I just give him the title. Then if
they do it, they're they're winning the super Bowl period
because they've got their offense back together. But now you
give him a legitimate run there because but Checo hasn't

(01:32:08):
been the same. Oh my god, it's over. Or the Chargers,
because the Chargers lost all of their starting running backs
that they automatically become a massive threat. I'm trying to
think who else looked good? But you don't know what.

Speaker 2 (01:32:21):
You've got to know, like the doubt, you've got something
in Breese haall you know what.

Speaker 1 (01:32:24):
And maybe even the Buccaneers depending on on I mean,
Rashad White did a great job, and you know Bucky
should be back. So but I think we we we
kind of nailed it on. Any of those teams would
really be the answer, and that would be that would
be no, oh, you guys, you got Brees. That's going
to say, you got Breese. You I think you very
easily cleared the division.

Speaker 2 (01:32:45):
I agree with you because I love Bill, but he's
got fumbling issues and he's a rookie. This other guy,
Rodriguez is not getting the job done because this Lee.
I don't think Robinson would have been that much better than.

Speaker 1 (01:32:55):
He is in San Francisco, so we got I think
he would he I think he would have been because
he held it down for you guys last year, so
that I thought that was a mistake. If y'all got
Bres's hall, I mean I would do it. I don't.
I'm actually let me look at your schedule real quick.
I know we gotta go. You don't ask me twice

(01:33:15):
if you got Breeze, especially before this you whoop whoop
up on us this weekend. You probably stick it to
the Chiefs. You stick it to the Seahawks. The Lions
aren't as as heavy as a that. You destroy the Dolphins,
you beat the Broncos, you beat the Vikings, you beat
the Giants, you beat the I don't think you lose
another game. Like I'm being real, Bro, we forget how

(01:33:35):
good Briess Hall is. He is so good. They are
just so bad.

Speaker 2 (01:33:40):
I mean, if the Patriots aren't I mean, sorry, the
Chiefs aren't looking at the situation and trying to get
him there. Insane because Rushie Rice comes back next week.
And if you get Bryce Breese Hall before the November
fourth trade deadline, fucking wrap up the season, bro, wrap
up the season.

Speaker 1 (01:33:53):
I swear to the fact that the top rusher for
the Chiefs right now is Mahomes is not good Like God,
he help them, help the world if they get peso.

Speaker 2 (01:34:05):
Yeah, exactly got to help us all, Doug real quick,
says uh Winston. I believe I'm near your age. I
was born in May of nineteen eighty eight. Only two
starting quarterbacks right now are older than me. So surreal
that in a few years I'll be older than every
quarterback in the league.

Speaker 1 (01:34:17):
Feeling older, Yeah, I mean, look the fact that most
of the stars in leagues that are starting to retire
are just barely older than me. Is a mind fuck
for sure. And I remember thinking as a kid, Wow,
these athletes, those are adults. They're genuinely just kids. They
became very rich, very quickly, but because they also play

(01:34:37):
professional sports, they probably had hormones flowing through them since
they were five. I'm like, yeah, like, fuck you, and Doug.

Speaker 2 (01:34:45):
I try being me who has lived through the Phil
Simms era and his son Chris Simms era, and now
I've lived through the Peyton Manning Eli Manning. I was
even there for the Archie Manning era, and now we've
got his fucking nephew, his grandson. His grand nephew is
out playing here, possibly the NFL in a couple of years,
if you can turn his career around in college. So
you know you're all gonna get there eventually.

Speaker 1 (01:35:06):
Man, that's a good point. Yeah, I see I two
fly cam talking shit. Look, I support the Hawks as
my lady is a Hawks fan, but will I will
stand by what I said? Who have you beat? You
got whooped up on by the Niners and you lost
to the Bucks. So yes, the Jags are winning team
right now, So good went on that, but who trusts
Trevor Lawrence and Okay, so let's see what you do

(01:35:28):
against the Texans and then let's see what you do
against the Commanders. I would love to see how y'all
handle stuff going forward, bro coming me talking about know
how girls and l commanders say.

Speaker 2 (01:35:40):
I feel ancient, Bro, I lost fifty.

Speaker 1 (01:35:43):
Born bitch, were born, bitch. All right, let's get out
of here. Thanks so much for hanging out. Thanks to Winston,
especially for hanging out a little bit extra with us.
We appreciate it badly.

Speaker 2 (01:35:53):
Thanks for the stream lap, super Chest, Thanks for the
lively chat. I love that a lot of you are
coming back every week to hang out with us and
building the numbers. We got to get those numbers higher.
So please do us a favor and share these shows.
Share when we tweet them out at the coming put
them on your channel, because like when you tweet it out,
you're letting your followers know that you're excited about the
show and they may try us out and sample us.
So we would appreciate that. Winston, another great show, brother.

(01:36:15):
Please let people know where they can find you and
all you got coming up this week.

Speaker 1 (01:36:18):
Absolutely, you can find me at the Spagy blurt on
all platforms, Blurred breakdown was pushed. I actually may have
just booked another commercial to direct. If that's the case,
these are these are like small social things, but it's
still money. I'm not, I'm not, I'm not. You're right,
you're right, don't integrate it. If that's the case, then
I will probably not do a show at all this week.

(01:36:40):
But the goal was to do it on Thursday, but
I gotta I gotta check out the schedule first. But
tomorrow Blurts in the Hood myself and Jay Washington YouTube
dot Com slash Blirts in the Hood, So definitely come
and hang with us. Got a big, big show plan
for tomorrow, some cool announcements, stuff like that, so you
don't want to miss all of that. And then and
Cols on Friday, as well as these Demon Slayer reactions

(01:37:03):
with Christian. We're really enjoying. We're almost getting we're getting
close to the end of the first season. Man, if
y'all want us to continue for the following seasons, then
we need people to continue to watch and get those
numbers up. So same thing. If you're an anime fan,
blast that out everywhere there.

Speaker 2 (01:37:16):
You go and remember, as Karen said to us here,
Karen saying, October eighteenth is no Kings Day, and you
know how we feel about things, so please make sure
if you want to get out there join a protest
on Saturday.

Speaker 1 (01:37:27):
I certainly will be.

Speaker 2 (01:37:27):
Out there with the Lady Outlaw, so if you want to,
absolutely Also, Yeah, ol Boogie, good for you man.

Speaker 1 (01:37:33):
I just saw you said he lost fifty pounds as well. Congrats.
That's a great way to end the show.

Speaker 2 (01:37:38):
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