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Speaker 1 (00:12):
Yeah, li'sten to tequila getting poored.

Speaker 2 (00:14):
We are back, everybody live for another episode of Spill
the Teequila here on the John Roky Channel. Thank you
all so much for joining us here. I am the
titular John Rokan joinings always by the King of Swag
himself with a new cut there Winston, Hey marshall, how
are you wins Dawn?

Speaker 1 (00:32):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (00:32):
Look at that thing, so fresh, so clean. I'm good, man,
I'm good. How you doing, brother, I'm good, I'm good.
I'm good.

Speaker 2 (00:40):
It's been a busy day and a busy already week
Christmas season. The Lady Outlaw has been making Christmas cookies
for two days for everybody in the neighborhood and friends
that live near us as well or family members. So
she's been on one. Let me tell you so, I
stay at the position. I stay in this office for
the last forty eight hours.

Speaker 3 (01:00):
So antithesis of all the hard work you've been putting in.
I don't blame you to be like nah son, baby baby,
that's real sweet.

Speaker 1 (01:07):
Do it over there exactly exactly. She's like, you don't
come in this kitchen.

Speaker 2 (01:12):
You need to wipe your feet, take a shower before
you come in this kitchen, like it's a whole thing.
So yeah, but it's been fun times. And you know
we're only what like nine days away from Christmas.

Speaker 1 (01:20):
It's kind of weird, you know, our.

Speaker 2 (01:21):
Job, Winston, we don't get a lot of time to
kind of sit down for a moment and be like
it's Christmas because we're just constantly working from one thing
to the next.

Speaker 1 (01:29):
How are you feeling?

Speaker 3 (01:30):
Then, No, that's that's kind of where I'm at. And
it's it sucks at times just because like it's not
even like I know that your channel is doing like
well that like you know, you're you're able to like
you got to work a lot, but like it's consistent.
It's this for me, it's this bouncing all over the
place crap, Like yeah, I like all the stuff that
I do, but it will drain the life out of

(01:52):
you because you have to.

Speaker 1 (01:53):
Keep switching gears.

Speaker 3 (01:55):
Yeah, and on top of that, trying to manage multiple
schedules always not great because then it's like, Okay, you know,
we have our set time, so that's that's easy. But
then like you know, the stuff I do with Christian
having to sort that out like blurds is at the
same time, but like since I fully produced that show,
like trying to sort the time out to do that.

Speaker 1 (02:16):
My own personal stuff.

Speaker 3 (02:18):
You got the day job, you got like a relationship,
now you got a dog. Like it's all of these
things that just like add up, and those of us
that work more than one job, that's where you start
to get real just ft in the head because you
just have to worry everybody is like, well, my thing's
the most important.

Speaker 1 (02:38):
Pay attention to me, right, you know right? I hope
you don't feel that for me. I love doing at all.
Because we sorted this out.

Speaker 3 (02:45):
When we decided to do this consistently at this time
we talked about it. I specifically was like great because
I have said that for other products that I do.

Speaker 1 (02:54):
I was like, if we.

Speaker 3 (02:54):
Could just carve out time, Yeah, it's consistent, then I
don't care. But it's when it's variable that it's like, shit, okay,
how do I plug this in this time?

Speaker 1 (03:04):
You know what I mean? So right?

Speaker 2 (03:05):
Right, that's what Yeah, Because the first weeks through to
the show, there was a playing around with time, right,
and then once they made it real clear, like you know,
if we locked this down, I need this to be
locked down I was like, you know what, I totally
get it. We'll do that from now on. And then
today we just had to move in an hour and
I asked Winston, you know if you could, and so
if you could, we would have gone it for I
just had to drop a lot of videos today, so
I wanted to create like three or four hours in

(03:26):
between each video so that we could keep it consistent
and people wouldn't feel overwhelmed by the stuff.

Speaker 1 (03:31):
So Winston was very gracious to push it, to let
us push to five.

Speaker 3 (03:34):
Totally totally understand. And that's and that's that's and that's all.
I mean, stuff comes up. So it's not to say
like I can't be flexible about things. It's just more
if somebody wants my attention all the time, right, and
it's better that I need like a consistency versus if
you just need me for this one particular. Like I
right before we started, while I was a little bit late,
I got an audition nice and so so it's tomorrow,

(03:59):
So that almost I was like, shit, okay, what is
my schedule. Fortunately, the way my schedule is set up tomorrow,
it should be fine. I have the day pretty open
other than a production, meeting therapy and then blurred. So
I was like, all right, I can squeeze that. In
versus like, if it had happened today I would have
I would have been like, I don't know, blow it

(04:20):
all up, I'm done.

Speaker 1 (04:21):
I don't I know. This is the game.

Speaker 2 (04:27):
I remember when I was working at Universal Studios full
time and then having to drive all over town to
host recap shows or no money.

Speaker 1 (04:36):
By the way, I didn't.

Speaker 2 (04:37):
Make any money for the first two years I hosted
shows in the business.

Speaker 1 (04:41):
Oh yeah, no nothing, because I'm.

Speaker 2 (04:42):
From that time where everyone was like, you better earn it,
you better showed me you're dedicated.

Speaker 1 (04:47):
So I did a lot of shows.

Speaker 2 (04:48):
But then it was also in a place of like,
well listen, I got to get my name out there.
So if I got to put Miles on the car,
I got to put Miles on the car because people
need to know who I am. So I was always
happy to do it. Of course, Clydie was very kind
to pay me. Starting out, Campia was the guy who
was there twenty five bucks a show to host the
flash show. But you know, it was something just to

(05:08):
get more experience on camera, and then eventually, you know,
so it's the game sometimes, so I get it bro
driving all aroundles.

Speaker 1 (05:16):
Yeah, we yeah, of course, for sure.

Speaker 2 (05:18):
But we're here not to talk about old times in
our We're here to talk about stuff that's.

Speaker 1 (05:22):
Going on in the world of entertainment.

Speaker 2 (05:24):
And we appreciate you all hanging out with us today. Remember,
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you love, sending you questions, thoughts and comments. We appreciate
you all joining us at a later time than our
usual time, but we're going to get into things here,
so let's not waste.

Speaker 1 (05:39):
Any time here. Let's jump into this thing.

Speaker 2 (05:41):
I don't know if you noticed, is Winston, but there
was an Avengers Doom Day Doomsday trailer that was leaked,
and then there was an AI four K version of
the trailer that was upressed and posted. The biggest, the
biggest one, Winston, is that today a spider Man brand
New Day trailer allegedly dropped here.

Speaker 1 (06:00):
Now we're not gonna go into.

Speaker 2 (06:01):
The specifics of what's in the leak trailer because I
think that's kind of crossing a line for some people.
But if you watched it. It was like a minute
in fifteen seconds or whatever. It is Tom holland it
is Peter Parker. So now we start to be in
a place of like, what is really going on here?
Because if you look at the leak, it's like clearly
on a computer, and you're starting to wonder what's.

Speaker 1 (06:25):
Going on here? So I put this in the title.

Speaker 2 (06:26):
Of the show and the thumbnail, and I got to
ask you, is Marvel leaking these trailers on purpose to
get people talking about this stuff before it comes out
because we're supposed to Captain America starting Thursday on the
Avengers I'm sorry in the Avatar films.

Speaker 1 (06:44):
Is this a strategy kind of like the Chairs thing.
Is this their way.

Speaker 2 (06:48):
Of maybe going a little bit rebellious with their br marketing?

Speaker 1 (06:52):
What are your thoughts?

Speaker 3 (06:54):
I don't know. I don't necessarily think so, because the
one I saw of the Captain America one had in
what Portuguese at the end like Steve Rogers will return
in Avengers Doomsday was like the last thing it said.
And I know that that was supposedly they were showing
some stuff at whatever the Brazilian Comic Con was happening,

(07:15):
like a week two weeks However, many weeks ago it
was so I didn't I didn't necessarily like think that
that was full blown on purpose, because that's the one
I saw, you know what I'm saying. But it wouldn't

(07:35):
put it. I wouldn't put it past the idea of
them potentially. I just it just doesn't make entirely too
much sense, just because I know Christian kept insisting because
people love the Internet that much and all that kind
of stuff, that it's like they need to put them
out at the same time, the Internet's important than putting
it in the.

Speaker 1 (07:54):
Theater, and I both sort of agree and disagree.

Speaker 3 (07:58):
I get it from like the real action side of things,
how all of us that do this, you know, and
everything else where that kind of lives. I still think
it would have been better, And that's why I do
think it was a true leak to let it start
off with Avatar, yeah, and then show it like a

(08:18):
Like I said, you could wait the weekend, but if
you don't want to do that, then just at least
wait drop it Saturday morning, you know what I'm saying, Like,
let it go Thursday and Friday. Sure, somebody will probably
leak it at their shitty little cameras like they did
in that time, but give it like a day or
two just for people to see it on the big
screen how it should be, and then do all that

(08:38):
the Spider Man when I'm even less inclined to believe
that Marvel's doing that, because yes, Marvel has a large
controlling stake and how this is playing out. Yeah, but
it's still a Sony thing, and Sony don't be doing that.
Sony's not about that life. If anything, they were furious
when No Way Home stuff leaked, like they were big
mad about that shit. So I don't know. I don't

(08:59):
I don't necessarily think that's what's going on, but I
also know that they are.

Speaker 1 (09:04):
For lack of a better word, a little bit desperate.
They need this to work.

Speaker 2 (09:09):
I guess that's why I'm asking that because to me,
when you because I watched the Spider Man leaked trailer
and it looks like it's coming off someone's computer, And
I'm in my head going, who has access to these
trailers that they would get online before they're even out
in the theaters or before they're out online on YouTube channel.
I just have a lot of suspicion around this and

(09:31):
I'm not putting in a tinfoil hat. It's more a
matter of like, how are they getting access to these
trailers to leak them finished trailers to leak them and
put them out on the internet. And I go, well,
maybe there's young people in charge of their marketing right now.

Speaker 1 (09:48):
And we know, you know, even Winston who's young, way
younger than I am.

Speaker 2 (09:52):
You know, the young people like they're playing in a
whole other sandbox. Then we grew up in in terms
of marketing, in terms of publicity, in terms of of
what you're supposed to do and not supposed to do.
And it would not surprise me that this is their
kind of crafty way of building a buzz, because, as
you said, they're desperate for this stuff and getting people
hyped up and getting people talking about it so that

(10:14):
when they go in the theater to see the trailer
when it drops online, there's like even more of an
anticipation to see the cleaned up version of it. It
just it just gives me questions, who has access to
these trailers to be leaking them and they're not taking
them all down.

Speaker 1 (10:26):
I thought there would be copyrighting the shit out of
these guys.

Speaker 3 (10:29):
I mean, the Spider Man one is gone, like by
the time, like I saw, I opened up Twitter for
like a split second and I saw somebody asking you
about it. You're saying I did, put yeah on the thumbnail,
and then I was like, all right, let me, let
me let me real quick try and look they're all gone.
Oh I can still find I can still find the
Steve Rogers one floating about, but the Spider Man is

(10:52):
all gone. And the only one that I found didn't
even make sense. And I was like, this is just
ai bullshit, because it was like, other than the very base,
sick movements that don't make sense because they look kind
of soulless. Tom Holland was using his British accent, So
what in what role? It's Peter all of a sudden
you used to know me. I was Spider Man Peter Parka,

(11:13):
and now you don't know me, but you're about to
know me. Like I was just like, what the what
what this is?

Speaker 1 (11:19):
This is not real?

Speaker 3 (11:21):
This is so you know I again, I would not
be surprised if maybe MCU solo dolo stuff, so Doomsday maybe,
but Sony don't play that because because this is one
of the few things that has really been rock solid
for them. They're not trying to run the risk of

(11:42):
their ship getting out before it needs to get out again.
I know this is an MCU production, but it's produced
by Sony, so it's.

Speaker 1 (11:48):
Just yeah, so I don't know. I I that that.

Speaker 3 (11:51):
I'm I'm a maybe on Doomsday, no on Spider Man.

Speaker 2 (11:55):
Okay, Well, what do you think now because we've had well,
I'm we're gonna find out.

Speaker 1 (12:00):
Obviously, we're going to see what this trailer looks like.

Speaker 2 (12:03):
I mean, them taking it down gives me questions even more, like, well,
why would they take it down if it's fake?

Speaker 1 (12:08):
So I wonder if maybe there's something behind that.

Speaker 2 (12:10):
But the thing now becomes like, well, what's the Do
you like the plan? You know Christians talked about it,
but I haven't heard from you about it.

Speaker 1 (12:18):
Like, do you like this plan.

Speaker 2 (12:20):
That they're releasing one trailer a week leading to probably
the fight, a full on trailer in the fourth week
over this Christmas holiday and New Year's Eve?

Speaker 1 (12:30):
Do you like this idea? This makes sense to you?

Speaker 2 (12:32):
And you look as a marketing situation a standpoint, I don't.

Speaker 3 (12:35):
I don't hate it it. I think the only thing
that pisses me off about it. I'm not actually mad
at Marvel for doing this. I'm mad because I've always
found the Avatar movies to be made, and this feels
like a plan to get people to go see Avatar
multiple times. It was already going to do that, So

(12:57):
this the only thing about it that kind of pisses
me off. And I guarantee somebody said win, win, two Birds,
one stone, Avatar four times four different a veng just films,
you make all the money, Like that's that is what
my gut is telling me, is somebody who was like,
this is brilliant, and he's like, it's not a bad plan.
Why don't we just do it? And that's the only
thing I'm not the biggest fan of. But otherwise, you know,

(13:21):
I don't think having the four different trailers is a
bad thing. I just think it's interesting, Like are they
all going to connect together ultimately?

Speaker 1 (13:31):
Is it just.

Speaker 3 (13:31):
Teasers and teaser and then ultimate teaser after kind of
knowing a little bit about our three main actors.

Speaker 1 (13:39):
Questions, I got questions, Well, that's.

Speaker 2 (13:41):
What That's what a lot of the people are reporting,
the scoopers who have been reporting on this, is that
we're gonna get what Captain America starting Thursday. Then I
think it's next week, and they.

Speaker 3 (13:53):
Do the following week, and then a month later.

Speaker 1 (13:57):
The full trailer a month later. So I mean, I
like the idea.

Speaker 2 (14:01):
I feel like Avatar doesn't need to get people into
the theater because it's made over two billion dollars the
last one, both of them, and so to me, I'm
just like, well, what is the logic here? And it
seems like Marvel is the damaged brand who was borrowing
some of Avatar's positive brand recognition with the audience to

(14:22):
try to get people excited about Marvel again as they
turn the corner. But already people are pushing back on
this trailer, Winston, because it basically insinuates the Captain America
is going to be the lead character in Doomsday, and
some people might be might bristle at that because they're
bringing back all the old guys to it's like bringing
Philip Rivers back almost to try.

Speaker 1 (14:42):
To live the glory day. Actually played decently.

Speaker 3 (14:47):
It just it's just yeah decent. I didn't say he
played good. I said like enough that, like I thought
his old ass was going to be significantly worse because.

Speaker 1 (14:55):
I've been watching from Rogers for the last season.

Speaker 3 (14:58):
Yeah, and then even though he's been playing consecutively, I
just assumed. I was like, you're older than Aaron Rodgers.
You've been out of the game. Yeah, bro, this is ugly.
But he held his own. I'll give him credit, but I.

Speaker 1 (15:12):
Yeah, I just.

Speaker 3 (15:14):
I don't know, man, I don't I understand that Brave
New World wasn't well received. Yeah, oh yeah, really middling reviews. Yeah,
this idea of just writing off Sam Wilson already kind
of annoys me, because, yes, Steve of the two of them,

(15:34):
is the bigger of the characters, right, but you but
you really didn't give this time to marinate all that much.
You you had a up down, like strike plagued like
movie that's been kind of all over the place, and
then you're just ready to move on and be like, well,
we're gonna give Steve the the you know, the title back.

Speaker 1 (15:54):
It just at the end of the day.

Speaker 3 (15:56):
I don't think it's something that Marvel is actively doing
to like be racist or anything like that, or like, well,
we get the black man shot and he screwed it up.
But it does at the same time, by doing that,
there is a level of giving those actual people.

Speaker 1 (16:12):
That are racists that have been clamoring.

Speaker 3 (16:15):
Yeah to Captain America is always why it's all with
Steve and it's nobody but Steve, like it gives them
fuel is the problem.

Speaker 1 (16:23):
That may not have been.

Speaker 3 (16:23):
Their intention, but unfortunately those assholes are going to run
with it.

Speaker 1 (16:27):
That's always how that goes.

Speaker 3 (16:29):
You may not have intended to do something, but somebody
will take your shit and run with it.

Speaker 2 (16:32):
And that's not what you want to do, right exactly
what I think. It's a great point you make. You
don't want to give them fodder for their racism, and
almost in a sense, court it by doing this move.
And I would say Anthony Mackie is hard done by
one an underwritten show that was cut by COVID, and
two a film that came out that had too many

(16:54):
cooks in the kitchen and was trying to adapt to
a changing landscape rather than have the guts to stick
by its guns, they made it a Red Hulk story,
not a Captain America story. So they haven't done right
by Anthony Mackie with the content they've produced with him
as Captain America.

Speaker 1 (17:11):
And so to blame that on people say.

Speaker 2 (17:13):
Well, they declared they don't want a black Captain America.
If you had made the black panther version of of
Captain America, I fucking guarantee you people would want more
of a black Captain America. So yeah, and that's where
the mistake lies. And I think they're just trying to
cut their losses and bring back the old timers to
see if maybe they can do it one more time.
And I think it's a hell of a gamble man.

(17:35):
And that trailer that I saw was not that exciting.
It's just Steve doing his thing, and there was wasn't
much to it at all, so it seems almost like
a letdown.

Speaker 3 (17:44):
It was it was him looking at his past and
then then looking at his present slash future, and then
that was it and I and it.

Speaker 1 (17:50):
Was it was.

Speaker 3 (17:51):
The funny thing is that the tweet I saw was
somebody being like, wow, Marvel really is down back. If
you you brought in what should have been a really
touching moment for Steve, and I felt nothing. And I
was like, damn, that's kind of wild if people are
feeling that.

Speaker 1 (18:10):
But I'm sure there are plenty of people that are
that are like Okay, yeah, like.

Speaker 2 (18:16):
I agree Skywalker says he's Anthony Mackie been a good
lead actor and anything good.

Speaker 1 (18:21):
Yeah, I think there's the Banker was damn good.

Speaker 2 (18:25):
He's been good, a good I mean, he was great
foil for Eminem. He's essentially the lead antagonist in eight Mile.
I thought Mackie is good in that as well.

Speaker 1 (18:34):
He's a good actor. I agree, you know, I think
he is.

Speaker 3 (18:38):
I think I think people will potentially say one thing
or another about like how he occasionally has like acted
not like as aer but like as a person. Like
I know that one of the things that for a while,
because I don't remember what movie did it, for a
while he wouldn't meet with any like black journalists or publication.

(18:59):
Something happened. I don't know if it was about a
haircut or something. And so for like a little bit
of time, because I remember, I was super excited. It
was one of my first major pressers.

Speaker 1 (19:09):
Yeah, and.

Speaker 3 (19:12):
You know it was for Civil War, and I met
all the cast. Everybody was paired off with like the
person they mainly interacted with. So Elizabeth Olsen was at
the time with Jeremy Renner just because you know, he
was the one that like saves Wanda from vision and
like it to help her run off and all that.

(19:33):
You know, Chadwick was with Paul Bettany just because they
were like the two newest faces. Chris Evans was by himself,
but then Sebastian stan and Anthony Mackie were paired together
and I didn't get to interview either one because he
actively was like I'm not not doing like like that's.

Speaker 1 (19:51):
What I was told. He didn't tell me to my face.

Speaker 3 (19:53):
That was what I was told, is that you're you're
allowed to go to every single one but this one.
And then and then I was on the download. Some
body on the side was like, yeah, it's it's like
a thing right now, and I was kind of devastated
because I was just like, dude, outside of to childhood,
like I am most excited to talk to you, but yeah, yeah,
obviously he'll never know that, like it's not he wasn't.
I didn't talk to him, right, But I I have

(20:16):
heard random thing. I mean, I've seen him on the streets,
like when people have him for an autograph, and I've
said that like people want be left alone, they want
to be left alone. But him telling people off there
and be like no, I'm not doing that right now.
But then we've also seen him like being interviews and
talk some really sound advice. We've heard about him like
being really kind, especially once he became Captain of America,

(20:37):
and how he had like has been inspiring young black
kids and things like that. So like, at the end
of the day, I would say, he's human. So he's
got as good and he's got his bad. I just yea,
I wish he had gotten more time.

Speaker 1 (20:50):
Yeah, I know.

Speaker 2 (20:51):
And we'll see how it all plays out, and I
hope they deal with it, like and I hope they
deal with it with in a way that makes sense,
you know, and have some sort of scene or action,
because if they pull that don Cheeto ship, I'm here,
I'm different. Let's move on. I don't think that's gonna do.
I don't think that's gonna be good for the film itself.

Speaker 1 (21:10):
Like, hey, I'm back. It's cool.

Speaker 2 (21:11):
Oh, I'm glad you're back. I'm gonna go back to
being falcon Like I just don't understand. Or there's two
Captain America's I guess which My only commentary an accidental
commentary about two different Americas, a black America, a white America,
So it could be it could slide into that wins.

Speaker 3 (21:26):
It's it's also possible, in all honesty, it's also very
possible that that Steve dies super quick. Oh yeah, possible
that we tease all this and you take him out, Yeah,
which you know, or maybe that's not even our Steve.
We don't actually from that Steve is one that teams

(21:46):
up with Doom because you know, Steve don't fucked up
the timeline. So maybe maybe Steve's kid also gets screwed
up because of whatever our Steve did to go back
in time and be with Peggy.

Speaker 1 (21:58):
You don't know, you don't know it.

Speaker 2 (22:01):
Yeah, does he go into another universe? That is actually
really interesting point. So we will see for sure when
that all goes down. All right, let's move on.

Speaker 1 (22:09):
To this other story here, Winstead. This is interesting.

Speaker 2 (22:14):
James Gunn coming out speaking out to defend his friend
Dave Bautista to essentially say that people need to stop
talking about all these brainiac castings situations because they're all false.
He debunked them, well, his version of debunking, and said

(22:34):
that he also doesn't want the people to focus on
Dave Batista because Batista may not get it, and he
doesn't want him to get upset about it.

Speaker 1 (22:42):
Overall, here he said, I said, I.

Speaker 2 (22:44):
Said, I said, I addressed this well, Why I addressed
this one in the post Dave as a friend. I
don't need a bunch of stories out there about why
he didn't get the job or whatever when someone else
is eventually cast. Now, he broke his own rule to
do this, Winston, because he said he was not going
to go on social media and address casting rumors anymore,
but he did it on this one.

Speaker 1 (23:01):
I mean, he owns Dave Batista's phone number.

Speaker 2 (23:04):
Why does he feel the need to publicly come out
and try to say, hey, don't put these rumors on him,
He's fine. It seems odd to do it in a
public way, and then to shoot down Matt Smith, Clay's
bang and Sam rockwell as the possible brainiac casting decisions.

Speaker 1 (23:20):
Your thoughts on this, I mean.

Speaker 3 (23:24):
It's funny because I don't think I can really put
my finger anymore on like specifically how gun is moving.
The only thing I know is that he just speaks
very like hard on the sleeve, just off the cuff.
So if something brought up, he's quick to do it,
and he's always quick to defend his people, and I
always appreciate that about him. Yeah, I I'm not anti

(23:50):
the idea of him being brainiac, but that wouldn't have
been the character personally I would have put him in, right,
you know, I think that there are other things that
would have fit, maybe a little better if he I know,
he doesn't want to be constantly in crazy Jack shape,
but I think he would have been an awesome like
Black Cat if if he ever wanted to to do

(24:11):
that role, I think he would have would have crushed that.
You know, there is a world I highly highly doubted,
especially because he's too old, but I think that that,
you know, he actually would have been a very interesting
Batman because of his ability to brews, so that would
have been kind of interesting too. I think that there's

(24:34):
a number of various roles that he would fit. Hell,
I even think he would be a fantastic dark Side
or a Hugo Strange. I don't like, brainiac is not
what I would have would have thought of for him personally.
But but good on him for on on gun for
being like all right, guys, come on now, like let's
let's let's stop like it is. It is what it is.

(24:57):
I mean, people are gonna speculate. I think he's got
to just accept that. But I also think that if
people were giving Batista shit about not getting it, then
I appreciate Gun for being like, YO, leave my boy alone.

Speaker 1 (25:08):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (25:08):
I feel like it's an interesting place to be in because,
I mean, you have friends in the business, and you
know how the online culture can be. And I know
this from interviews and conversations I've seen with Dave. Dave
has a sensitive side to himself. For all his you know,
bigness and bluster and the incredible work he did in
the WWE, is both a heel and a face during

(25:31):
his runs there. What's always what you always hear about
with Dave is that he gets real hurt. Like when
the fans turned on him years ago over the Daniel
Bryan situation.

Speaker 1 (25:41):
He was legitimately upset.

Speaker 2 (25:43):
What happened, Well, they had the fans had WWE wanted
to push Dave Batista because he had the Guardians of
the Galaxy movie coming out. They were going to give
him the title belt, so they brought it back to Wrestle.
But they brought him back to Wrestle at a time
when Daniel Bryan was because in this grassroots favorite, and
so the fans turned on Batista because they felt management

(26:06):
Vince was shoving Bautista down to their throats instead of
listening to them to give.

Speaker 1 (26:11):
Daniel Brian the shine.

Speaker 2 (26:14):
And so it became a drama behind the scenes, and
it left a bad taste of Batista's mouth, and he
said at the end that he's never coming back again
and so.

Speaker 1 (26:22):
And he hasn't. And so it was a situation because
the fans turned on him.

Speaker 2 (26:25):
The management didn't protect him because they went with the
Daniel Bryan storyline even after they convinced him to come back,
and it was, you know, it was just bad all
around for everybody.

Speaker 1 (26:34):
And so clearly a sensitive guy.

Speaker 2 (26:36):
So maybe James understands that and felt they needed to
do this publicly, and I'm sure he did it personally
as well, but publicly as well to kind of keep
the heat off Dave a little bit.

Speaker 1 (26:45):
So yeah, I appreciate that.

Speaker 3 (26:47):
I mean, look, none of the casting rumors sounded good
to me, with the exception of Matt Smith. I think
that he would have been great, but my personal choice
would have been, oh my god, I just forgot his name.
All of a sudden mister Robot, Robby Mallick. I think
Robby Malick would be a fantastic brainiac like kind of

(27:12):
in the sense that like part of it is when
you look at mister Robot, obviously he's like playing that
kind of like autistic super genius ranniacs, a damn computer brainiacs,
just just out here in.

Speaker 1 (27:22):
The streets, just like calculating.

Speaker 3 (27:24):
Because then I think about him in the Last Bond
and like how good he was in that too. I like,
I just can truly see Flip that less like global
villain via means of money and technology and just straight
technology and alien ruthlessness, like I think he Ronny, but
Matt Smith again what I've seen out of him and

(27:47):
House of the Dragon, both of those are great.

Speaker 1 (27:49):
I love Batista.

Speaker 3 (27:50):
I just don't think, knowing the character of Brainiac, that
that would have been the right choice personally.

Speaker 1 (27:58):
Well, we'll see, I'm sure.

Speaker 2 (27:59):
And now when it's coming soon Man Tomorrow starts shooting
next year, so I'm sure we'll get some announcement, maybe
not before the end of the year, but coming into
the new year, I'm sure there'll be something announced for
that particular film.

Speaker 1 (28:11):
Well, let's go.

Speaker 2 (28:12):
One of the says Winston was hinting at this, and
we should talk about it. Avatar, Fire and Ash is
coming out in a couple of days, and it is
not doing that great with the Rotten Tomatoes crowd.

Speaker 1 (28:25):
Here.

Speaker 2 (28:25):
The number was released and it is seventy one percent
on Rotten Tomatoes and after one hundred reviews, not eleven
one hundred, and it.

Speaker 1 (28:35):
Is there's plenty of room for fluctuation.

Speaker 2 (28:38):
Way of the Water was seventy six percent, and the
original Avatar was eighty one percent.

Speaker 1 (28:43):
But yeah, seventy one percent.

Speaker 2 (28:46):
I personally didn't think the movie was that great, so
I'm not surprised by that number. But I think this
is an issue that maybe if this film comes out,
it's a bit mixed.

Speaker 1 (28:55):
Maybe it's not going to hit that two billion dollar mark.

Speaker 2 (28:58):
And maybe they sense that themselves, and we could circle
all the way back to these trailers coming out to
get people into the theater so they can hit that number.
But your thoughts on this seventy one percent from one
hundred reviews for this Avatar Fire and Ash?

Speaker 1 (29:11):
Are you going to go see it?

Speaker 3 (29:13):
I was supposed to go and see it tomorrow, but
then remember you know the thing I was talking about
how having too many jobs. They one of my jobs
decided to completely ignore my availability and schedule me in
the middle of the screening, and I was.

Speaker 1 (29:28):
Like, oh cool, awesome.

Speaker 3 (29:30):
Now I have to like turn around and figure this
out at another time when I don't have any time
because I'm about to leave for the holiday. But like
you know, I will see it eventually. I think it'll
be the same thing for me that all Avatar movies
tend to be. I feel like they are stunning, yeah,

(29:52):
but I always think that they're kind of you know
what I mean, Like I there's nothing that blows me
away story or character wise where I'm like wow. But again,
they're they're beautiful, they're interesting to see the different like community,
so to see the tree Noavi versus the water Navi.

(30:13):
I'm sure the fire nov you're probably interesting too, Like
you think that the various creatures are all sound cool,
so the world building in that regard, But that doesn't
necessarily mean that the character developments all that good well,
or or the story is like I thought the stories
for those first two movies. Again, we're fine at best. Yeah,
And so that's why I rarely revisit them, because without

(30:36):
seeing it on an Imax screen, I'm just not pulled
in as much.

Speaker 1 (30:41):
Right right now, Yeah, I agree with you.

Speaker 2 (30:44):
To me, they don't hold up to multiple rewatchings because
the story is so weak. I mean, visuals are great
and they're fun, but I expect more from James Carramon.
Do you don say like the Transformers films, I love
the visual enjoyment. I just enjoy the visuals of those films,
but I know the stories are not that strong. Week
some of this dialogue is cheesy, but I don't go

(31:04):
in expecting a lot from those movies. Well, going into Avatar,
I am expecting a lot from James carry because A
he's an incredible filmmaker and B he's trying to make
a commentary about the world and about hatred in the world,
and about us versus them, and about you know, native
native and native colonization be colonized by by people. So
this is a much more important franchise from the approach

(31:28):
that the filmmakers are taking. And I see people who
go all the time, wow, we don't go to Avatar
for that. But that is literally the point of why
James does these movies. Yes, the visuals are amazing because
he wants things to look as great as possible, but
he also wants like you to take away a message
from these stories, and this one, I just I was
so bored after the first hour and a half of

(31:49):
this when I was powering through the screening, it just
wasn't my jam. The visuals were great, but the story
was very There's nothing new in the story you haven't
seen in any other movie. And some of the beats
repeated from the second film, like literally scene for scene
in some sections.

Speaker 3 (32:04):
That was the thing that I was concerned about that
I've heard people saying in some of these reviews is
that there is not a whole lot of different story
or beat wise from the first two. It almost kind
of repeated itself, but not in like a not in
like a you know, the Star Wars trilogies kind of

(32:25):
have their repeat but they're but it's like the second
movie is echoing the second movie, the third movie is
echoing the third movie, not like the third movie is
echoing the first and second movie of this trilogy. You know,
that's the big difference. And so I like, again, I
will go see it. I am excited to see it.
I find it funny when people like I see somebody

(32:47):
in the chat right now talking about, Oh, the pretentious
movie snobs are the ones that hate Avatar.

Speaker 1 (32:51):
They're the ones that just don't No, it's not that.
It's that.

Speaker 3 (32:54):
I again, if I want to see replay value out
of a movie, it needs needs to be so incredibly
spectacally ridiculous that I'm just like, I don't care. But
the thing is, they're not the Avatar film says have
while they have that kind of visualization, have never focused

(33:14):
so much on that, as in, they are trying to
tell this story that Cameron is telling, and so that
means you would want the stories to be good, you
know what I'm saying. To draw you back in, you
need a balance of both. You need a cause. Like
Wicked for Good is actually very visually, very sound, and

(33:36):
the singing is very good, but the movie's not great
because again, it didn't really have enough meat on the
bone to make a whole second movie. So the story
is kind of dragged and the character fillament dragged, and
so like you don't realize it until you look up
and go, oh, the action parts get more interesting because
I'm really drawn into the quiet moments. So it's the

(33:57):
same thing. If I'm just bored story character wise in
these movies, then okay, great, awesome fire everywhere, look at
these new Dragon creers. But then the minute that's over,
if I'm just like, okay, now they got to talk
like you know what I'm saying, that's not a good feeling.
And that's that is what I am worried about.

Speaker 2 (34:18):
I think that's fair, And that's the problem I have
when I was watching it, you know, because it was like, oh, man,
I think the technology he uses to create the navvy
or the nave, how do you want to say it
is what keeps for me, the acting from connecting with me.
There is still a distance with the technology and the

(34:39):
motion capture and all of that.

Speaker 1 (34:40):
There are you could just see like that.

Speaker 2 (34:43):
It's still looking at CGI trying to act. It's almost
a version of AI with the Uncanny Valley, and it
doesn't quite work. And some of those emotional beats are
overplayed because of the technology, and so you're seeing at
times like real cheesy overacting in certain moments from some
of the actors. And it's only when you get to

(35:04):
the real live actors that you connect.

Speaker 1 (35:07):
Like Spider as the kid.

Speaker 2 (35:09):
I like him in both of these movies, and because
I'm connecting to what he's doing. But when you're seeing
when you're seeing Zoe's Aldayana, when you're seeing Sam Worthington
and the actors who played the kids, even Kate Winslet,
there is a bit of distance and a bit of
a kind of like, oh, I'm not really connecting to
what you're doing, fully because I'm not buying what you

(35:30):
because there's extra beats and weird pacing stuff that goes
on with that that to me throws it off from
feeling organic, you know, yeah, and lived in.

Speaker 3 (35:38):
The fact that, like, because I like if you go
back and look right now. It's one of my most
watched videos was my out of the theater reaction to
the Way of Water.

Speaker 1 (35:47):
And I came out being like hey, O, like this
is wow.

Speaker 3 (35:53):
But like all it took as I as I have
been prone to do at times. Yeah, if something again,
it has something so special about it you sometimes can
mask over the problems and then when you step away
and so part of it too. They always kept pushing
that when you go and see these movies, it's not
you're seeing them in three D. As well, like because

(36:15):
they've they've done all that time and it does look
so it is it is will take your breath away, right,
So that's why then when it's time to just watch
it on my TV at home, like I have a
nice TV, but I don't have anything super crazy special,
I'm not.

Speaker 1 (36:27):
I don't have no a K anything.

Speaker 3 (36:28):
I think we have the most basic Like the first
iteration of four K TVs is like a hand me
down from a homie, you know what I'm saying. So
it's it's still nice and we have decent sound, but
it ain't gonna hit the way three D imaxes. I
don't have three D here, so like, yeah, does it?
The spectacle is not as spectacle. So then like now
that thing that was like this house of cards that

(36:50):
was being held up by that all of a sudden
isn't as strong. And especially when you consider go and
look at James Cameron's previous films where he was, in
my opinion, his storytelling was insane. Yeah, looking at Aliens,
looking at Terminator too, like where like, yes, they are

(37:10):
visual masterpieces because of the technology he's pushing, but like
you're actually drawn into the character development and story of
those more so than, in my opinion, than this and
other diehard Avatar fans that will say, kill yourself, this
is the greatest movie franchise of all time, and I
love that for you, Okay, But but there's a number

(37:31):
of people that have said that they don't love these
movies as much as they have loved other movies that
James Cameron has put out. I mean, how fucking Titanic?
Like I I think Titanic is over put too on,
too high of a pedestal. That movie, but like and
like a little overrated, but not actually because it genuinely
is a masterpiece. I think he did a good job.

(37:53):
Like the only thing I've ever said is, nah, bro Jack,
I could have been on that Dann board. She was like,
I can't take this pole ass back to America with me.

Speaker 1 (38:00):
Hell no, oh Jack? Like that? That's yeah.

Speaker 2 (38:08):
I mean, and I want to say this, and I
know some people get mad when I bring this stuff up,
but I mean, after a third movie, I.

Speaker 1 (38:16):
Think the idea of having a white man.

Speaker 2 (38:18):
Telling a colonizer story, you're hitting the limits of the
ability to understand the nuance of a story like this
that you want to tell. If you don't have people
on your writing staff who are and I think it's
just him who's writing these films if you don't have
people who understand the minutia and the little things that

(38:39):
are that are involved with telling a story about colonization,
and that it's the fact the reason you're repeating the
same beats is because you're telling the same general overall opinion.
But if you keep introducing more tribes, you've got to
deal with intratribe stuff that went on with natives, that
goes on with natives where they are in the world,

(39:01):
and how the pressure of colonization affects the intertribe communications,
and how are they individualistic? And then how are they
also battling having agency to battle within each other. This
is the thing where I think the film itself hit
a wall as well. It becomes so white in its

(39:21):
approach in my opinions, and I guess I don't want
to say, what what does it? It becomes so obviously
regular human that there is no nuance and no specific
ethnicity of culture to these separate tribes other than one
element here, one element there, but specifically whether and I
think that's where the film kind of felt a little

(39:44):
like it's now it's the franchise rather is kind of
exposing the limits with what the story they can tell.

Speaker 3 (39:50):
You've seen the third one, and because I was going
to say, I actually thought that they did a pretty
good job of like why they would not accept them
at first, and how there was a split between those
that were living in the trees and those that had
moved to live in the ocean. But if what you're
telling me is that they don't really differentiate that much
between the fire Trube and the water Tripe, other than
that they don't like each other either, Yeah, then that's

(40:10):
not as good because that's that then that sounds like
a step backwards and that you.

Speaker 2 (40:16):
Know, Yeah, if the fire Tribe becomes the fire Tribe
because fire came in and destroyed them and they started
to worship the thing that destroyed them, then there has
to be a connection to the colonization of the planet
with fire.

Speaker 1 (40:30):
So let's explore that. Let's explore the nuance of that.

Speaker 2 (40:34):
But that's where I think Cameron gets at times a
bit lost, because it's all about exploring the beauty of
this world and not really dealing with the fact that
people want to come in science wise, military wise. I mean,
Ribisi is back, but like the big corporation stuff, it's
not really delved into as strongly as it should be

(40:55):
if you're going to have that character still be a
part of the story. So these are the things that
I I thought held the film back from being really
good or interesting.

Speaker 1 (41:05):
Or complex.

Speaker 2 (41:06):
And it's frustrating because it's a three hour, fourteen minute movie.

Speaker 1 (41:09):
You tell me you couldn't put that in there. Oh god,
it's three fourteen. It's three hours in fourteen, bro.

Speaker 2 (41:16):
And every minute of those three hours in fourteen if
you know what I mean, every minute.

Speaker 3 (41:20):
But like I again, I know people that love it.
I'm not gonna yeah yum. If that's if that's your thing,
more power to you. I hope it is exactly what
you're looking for, and I hope you go all four
times out because you want to see the Avengers trailers.
You just want to see Avatar. I genuinely like wish
nothing but the best for you. It's just not truly

(41:44):
for me. But I am planning on seeing it. It
is one of the biggest movies of the year, and
it is still good enough that I want to have
said I saw this movie.

Speaker 1 (41:53):
You know what I'm saying, like, yeah, totally.

Speaker 3 (41:55):
It's not like someone's trying to force some What was
a bad movie that came out this year? Uh uh,
There's been plenty, but my brain is just kind of
kind of gone completely off the rails at this point.
Let me pull my media list because I can. I'm
gonna give a little little sneak peek in the movies
that I did not rock with this year. Like it's
not like it was gonna be like Heads of State

(42:19):
or The Electric State wasn't very good, a lot of
movies with the word state and it didn't do very well.

Speaker 1 (42:27):
Him Rible, Him wasn't good.

Speaker 3 (42:30):
And like the funny thing is and I, like I said,
I got a step back. I think that the acting
by Marlin and what's his name is it, Tyreek?

Speaker 1 (42:41):
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.

Speaker 3 (42:43):
I think their acting is great. I think that movie
is narratively a mess. And like at the time, I
was like, no, man, support Jordan and support Marlin and
then get two days later when I did my full review,
I was like, this movie's not very good.

Speaker 1 (42:55):
Like let's just call it a book. It's not very good.
It's a shame. It's shame.

Speaker 2 (42:59):
Was I liked again, I liked the concepts presented in
that movie, Yes, And I think they wanted to explore
what it's like to be a black product in a
white dominated sports world and the pressure to turnal on
each other. Like there was so much that was presented
that I was like, ooh, and then they didn't. They
went like they went any given Sunday with it, and

(43:20):
they should have gone much more darker and deeper into that,
which would have been the way that would have been
exciting to see.

Speaker 3 (43:25):
And I think, I mean, the other problem is people
keep thinking that Jordan directed it or wrote it and
he didn't, oh right, Just is his production company just
produced the thing, right, He really had nothing to do
with it but his name being on there.

Speaker 1 (43:38):
So it was wild that.

Speaker 3 (43:39):
Like some people were like, it was many people in
the movie trying to big hup themselves, be like, you know,
this is Jordan Peel's greatest movie. First of all, he
really didn't have much to do with it, So what
are we talking about.

Speaker 1 (43:50):
That's true, that's true. All right, let's move out of
the world entertainment. Let's get into this brother man. What
is going on with sharown moment? I think you and
Jay were live when this was all breaking out last week.
I tried to watch you guys talking about this. Dude,
this is badness on so.

Speaker 2 (44:08):
Many les hit, this story of show Moore there at
the University of Michigan getting fired having had an affair
with his executive assistant. I think she was got her pregnant,
paid for the abortion. But then they broke up and
she turned she revealed the relationship. But there people who
came out said they had suspected the relationship for quite
some time. And then he went to her house, allegedly

(44:30):
broke in, allegedly held her, held himself at night point,
knife point, then escaped and then it was eventually arrested
and even resisted arrest.

Speaker 4 (44:40):
And it was so and then was dming only fans
models during the court case, and then after the court case,
during the game against Ohio State allegedly brouh and this
is this has been.

Speaker 1 (44:51):
A tough situation, bro Like he's cooked.

Speaker 3 (44:54):
That's that's and and I think the other thing about it,
that's actually kind of sad. And some people are gonna
be like, why you always gotta take it there because
it's the truth. This may be a scenario where Michigan
will never have another play coach, like knowing that he
was the believe he was the first one or at
least he was pretty high profile to have a meltdown
of this caliber. Bro, It's there's a there's a reason

(45:19):
why a lot of uh minority groups and I mean
well women, minorities all that, Like when you're the first
to do something, your grandma, your your grandpa, like your parents,
they have drilled your head, don't fuck this upthing, Yes,
another one for fifty years, don't.

Speaker 1 (45:40):
You this up?

Speaker 3 (45:42):
And that's also why I think, at least for me,
and you can tell me from a Latino standpoint, it
hurts that much more when like a black successful individual
really crashes and burns, because it's like, it's the Tyra Banks.

Speaker 1 (45:59):
It's that we were rooting for you.

Speaker 3 (46:00):
We were all rooting for you because like because people
will use that shit as an excuse, you know what
I'm saying, so quick to be like, it's exactly why
we don't do this.

Speaker 1 (46:09):
This is exactly why we don't do this.

Speaker 3 (46:11):
So he's clearly one of two things, a very evil
person or a very broken person.

Speaker 1 (46:20):
Yeah, both are very sad.

Speaker 3 (46:22):
Like either he is a psycho and and needs to
see the inside of a jail for a while, or
like he had a full blown mental breakdown crash out over.
I mean, now, mind you, he cheated so and yeah
it was stupid enough to cheat with somebody on staff. Ye,
Like you shouldn't cheat at all, but you know that,

(46:44):
especially in those scenarios, like you didn't you didn't see
what they did to a doga and ship ran his
ass out of town. You don't think other men have
not been in that situation.

Speaker 1 (46:54):
I get it. You're walking around all the time. Oh,
she's right there. She's so cute, man, she knows she
football and shit and blah blah blah blah blah. You'll
take yours to a sports bar. Like, what are you doing?

Speaker 3 (47:02):
What are you doing?

Speaker 1 (47:03):
Stop it? Go home, Go home home.

Speaker 3 (47:07):
What was the the Tupac song from the Future from
Dave Chappelle That ain't your wife? Like that's like, I
literally want to just tell you that what are you doing?

Speaker 1 (47:17):
Oh? That sketches amazing?

Speaker 3 (47:18):
That was that was That was probably my favorite of
the Lost episodes was the Tupac song After Tupac was dead.

Speaker 1 (47:25):
Okay, I who oh, that's so great. Wrapping about everything
that's in the club. What is happening.

Speaker 3 (47:37):
The girl with the mini skirt, taste, that shure don't match.

Speaker 1 (47:41):
Plus you got a pudding staining on the back, man,
what the fuck is that? It might be doo doo like?
Oh man, that sketches so great? Yeah, I I, I
it's I don't know, it's you know.

Speaker 2 (47:56):
For me, the Latino thing is different obviously because I mean,
I think with the black expence having you know, had
many black friends growing up with black people in my life,
black family members, talking to them and hanging out at
their house. My friend's house is growing up, that was
the conversation all the time. Like at a very early
age in Virginia, I was exposed to the expectations of
the black life versus the white life, the Latino life,

(48:19):
the American life.

Speaker 1 (48:20):
The black life is different. You have to be.

Speaker 2 (48:22):
Better, you have to not make mistakes, You have to
work twice as hard, sometimes three times as hard to
get noticed. And then if you mess the opportunity up,
you're messing it up for not just you, but for
everyone else behind you is coming behind you who would
want a shot at that who is black?

Speaker 1 (48:38):
And so I've known that from a very early age.

Speaker 2 (48:41):
So when I see, first of all, he gets hired
to replace Harbaugh, and of course he was on the staff,
so he gets elevated, I was like, oh wow, this
is great, just like with Notre Dame when they got
their black head coach Franklin a few years ago.

Speaker 1 (48:55):
I was like, this is great.

Speaker 2 (48:56):
But I also know what comes with that, which is
the pressure of the boosters were predominantly white and yes,
sometimes racist, the fan base which is predominantly white and
yes sometimes racist or mostly racist, or not most of it,
but sometimes racist. And you see, so there's pressure, right,
So there you have to perform, and if you're not
strong enough, you will break. And it seems like this

(49:20):
is what happened he because Seron even said this in
some interviews that he felt people were coming after him.
So either that's paranoia or he had a legitimate he
was having a slow, legitimate mental break from reality, and
all of this popping up at the same time was
what just kind of sent him down into the dude
and for all that, I felt so bad for him,

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sitting there in the court shivering as they were reading.

Speaker 1 (49:45):
The charges out. I felt bad for him.

Speaker 2 (49:48):
I felt bad for him and I know people want
to make it mad, but like, I know he cheated,
I know he brought this upon himself.

Speaker 1 (49:53):
I know he threatened to kill himself, but I still
felt bad scene to kill the woman.

Speaker 3 (49:59):
Yes, yes, but that But that's why I was saying,
he's either evil or he had a mental breakdown, and
both are sad because anytime I see like true evil
in that regard, like someone that has no regard for
life or anything else like that, Yeah, I get angry,
but I also get sad because it seems it's like

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a bunch of wasted potential. It's the fact that like
if you're in that position and you're putting people in
that kind of threat, like somebody was looking out for
you to be in this position to do that in
the first place, Like there's there's a certain level of
just like god, damn, just fucking wasted, you know what
I mean. And so I again, you know, I was watching.

(50:39):
You know who had a terrible take about this was
Shady McCoy. Oh he's over on on Speakeasy with with
Acho and he was and he.

Speaker 1 (50:48):
Was like, oh man, you know he you know, let
him go.

Speaker 3 (50:51):
He do no one just like yo, Shady like, bro,
He's like, come on, people cheat all the time.

Speaker 1 (50:55):
You just gonna do him like this because he cheat.

Speaker 3 (50:56):
I was like shady again, he cheated to work and
he threat to kill himself and the and the mistress.

Speaker 1 (51:03):
That's the extra line. That's the extra line.

Speaker 3 (51:05):
He needs to go to Jill ual put him in
jail for cheating. No, you'll put him in jail because
he threatened someone's life. Yeah, yeah, that is why he
goes to jail now, because he obviously did not.

Speaker 1 (51:15):
Ultimately hurt her.

Speaker 3 (51:17):
Instead of like getting a life sentence for murder, he
might get like, I don't know what the I don't
know what the time is for, you know, kidnapping and
inaggravated assault and then threatening somebody's life. But he might
get a couple of years for that shit, and truthfully
he should, Like, you don't go around threatening people to
kill people with knives.

Speaker 2 (51:36):
Don't, especially when you brought it upon yourself by cheating
on your wife with her and getting her pregnant and
all of the stuff allegedly and all the stuff that
went down allegedly between them, Like that's the thing.

Speaker 1 (51:47):
At the end of the day, this is a self.

Speaker 2 (51:50):
He brought this on himself, you know, And that's the
sad truth of it all. But you hope he gets
the help. You hope he kind of climbs back out,
because I'll be goddamned, white college coaches have done some
crazy shit through the years.

Speaker 1 (52:01):
Punching their athletes.

Speaker 2 (52:03):
Absolutely Urban Meyer fondling a young blonde in that bar,
getting caught on video, like the ship Bobby Petrino pulled
when he was.

Speaker 1 (52:10):
A fucking coach.

Speaker 2 (52:11):
Like, there's a lot of white coaches pulled some terrible
shit now, threatening to kill someone and threaten to kill themselves.
I haven't seen a lot of that, so there is
different circumstances in that way. But I hope he gets
the help he needs because clearly, dude, he broke you know.

Speaker 3 (52:25):
Yeah, that's that's where I ultimately stand. I just hope
he gets he gets the help that he needs because
he clearly needs help.

Speaker 1 (52:32):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (52:32):
Yeah, let's move on to the NFL. Brother, let's stay
in the sports world here. Well, so many great games
over the weekend. Josh Alan and these Bills fighting off
the Patriots getting the victor over them was.

Speaker 1 (52:46):
One of the highlighted games of the weekend.

Speaker 2 (52:48):
But dude, we also had the Buccaneers losing to the Falcons.
Now this is such an interesting situation. The Bears took
care of the brown Shador came back to Earth in
that game. The Ravens crushed the Bengals pretty much ending
Maybe Joe Burrows stay in Cincinnati. We will see the
Raiders beat the Chiefs. Knocked out Patrick Mahomes with an
ACL and LCL injury, and then we lost Micah Parsons

(53:11):
to an ACL injury playing the Broncos, with Bo Nicks
doing a great job there as well, leading the Broncos
to a victory over the Packers. And then we had
a number of games here with the Commanders beating the
Giants so great, but now Jaden's out for the year.
The Eagles crushing the Raiders, the Jaguar smashing the Jets,
the Texans looking stronger and stronger every week, destroying the

(53:33):
Cardinals forty twenty, the Rams taking care of business against
the Lions. The Saints squeaking out a win over these
Panthers Divisional games. Man of the forty nine Ers getting
the vig Streia over the Titans, the Seahawks squeaking out
past an old Philip Rivers of victory your Viking of
the Vikings taking care of your Cowboys unfortunately for you brother.
And then the Steelers last night looking good again taking

(53:55):
out those pesky Dolphins with Tua possibly benched for the
rest of them season. So what do you want to
talk about? What stands out to you? What are your
feelings on this week?

Speaker 1 (54:05):
I mean I think that.

Speaker 3 (54:09):
It's I think I'm glad that I was as drunk
as I was when it was actually time for the
Cowboys game, because like that was like my birthday, uh
acknowledge or birthday?

Speaker 1 (54:21):
What is it? Observed? Well, yes, Sunday, that's when I
did my party, and so.

Speaker 3 (54:28):
You know, I saw all of the morning and afternoon games.
It was like, oh shit, oh that's crazy, Oh my god,
oh my lord. And then like got home because the
whole first part was at a bar. The last part
was at my spot and all the people came over.
I had been drinking all day, so I don't even
really remember. I just remember looking up, like man, and
then I like went back to talking to somebody and

(54:48):
like I was originally going there to watch this game,
and then it became a never mind. So yeah, I
just glad that's over. We can put it to bed.
We still have one chance because like what needed to
happen is if we were going to lose, the Eagles
also needed to lose, Like we needed to win and
have the Eagles lose, So we really needed us both

(55:10):
to screw up here. I think the Bills made it
very clear that they're tired of people talking about them
as they're the you know, past tense. Yeah, I think
that the Bears are very serious contenders. I think that
the Saints actually might have a quarterback bro Like I
don't think yeah, I don't think he's like elite, but

(55:35):
I think he has some serious promise that like you
put the solid team around him, Like I mean you
took out the division leader in the Panthers, like who
have been rolling, so like there's something to be said that,
Like Kellen Moore's kind of getting his feet under him
and and and Tyler was out there like kind of
balling and stuff. So if you can get him some weapons,

(55:55):
you know, upgrade that defense, the Saints could be a problem.
And then the Saints taking here the Colts that was
a little too close for my liking. And I that's
where I go back to I'm not sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry,
I'm not worried about the Seahawks defense. They did their job,
kept him a sixteen points. Why is Sam Darnold turning

(56:17):
back into a pumpkin.

Speaker 1 (56:19):
Because we're getting to the end of the year when
he turns into a.

Speaker 3 (56:21):
Pumpkin and that was kind of my whole thing. He
is turning back into a pumpkin. It was all field goals,
my dude. Seriously, y'all, y'all could not work out, Like, yes,
the the Colts defense is good, but like you were
quote unquote supposed to be supposed to be. Hold, honestly,
you were, you know, the the one you're supposed to be.

(56:43):
You had an MVP season at the start of the season,
and now it's just Matt Man.

Speaker 2 (56:48):
It may be fools gold Man, because you look at
the I mean they did they did the business with
the Jags and the Texans, but they had also right
after they'd lost to the Buccaneers.

Speaker 1 (56:58):
But you look at that.

Speaker 2 (56:59):
They've been feasting on the Falcons, the Vikings, the Titans
before they took on the Colts, and the Colts nearly
did it.

Speaker 1 (57:05):
And don't give me that.

Speaker 2 (57:06):
It's because it was a new quarterback in Philip Rivers
or whatever. Like the Colts defense stepped up and was
trying to get them to win that game. And Donald
looked pretty messed up through most of that game in
trying to lead that team into a touchdown and as
you said.

Speaker 1 (57:20):
Six field goals.

Speaker 2 (57:21):
So once again we have questions about Sam Donald as
we come to an end of a season. Is he
going to blow it again for these Seahawks the first
round of the playoffs, you know, And so.

Speaker 1 (57:31):
There's questions to be had all around.

Speaker 2 (57:33):
Man, But what are your thoughts on the ACL injuries
for both Michael Parsons and Patrick Mahomes, man, Like which
one is worse for the franchises? And what do you
anticipate is going to happen next for both of these
guys as they go into their recovery.

Speaker 3 (57:53):
So I think the sad thing is I if that
trade for micah Well missing peace, that sounds like the
Packers are done? Yeah, which is you know that sucks
for them? Like this they seemed like they were like
because Jordan Love was kind of all over the place.

(58:14):
He was very juckling hide all season, but he finally
felt like he was figuring it out the last few
games I think that that kind of axes their ability
to go the distance.

Speaker 1 (58:27):
And then for the Chiefs, the Chiefs.

Speaker 3 (58:29):
Weren't gonna be going to the playoffs anyway, Like let's
just keep it a buck. They were losing that game already,
they were driving down the field. Sure, but like even
if you you essentially had to win out, So yeah,
it was only you essentially started the playoffs like four
weeks early, so like it was only a matter of
time before that was gonna be done. I think what
the real sad part is is obviously Patrick Mahomes will

(58:50):
be back, Like nobody's nobody's worried about that, right, And
if you look at it, it actually is mirroring some
Tom Brady has stuff pretty closely of like yeah, won
some one three Chips tore the knee in the same
year and then Brady came back and was even stronger

(59:11):
than before. So like it's very possible that's what Patty
will do. But this also means the Chiefs are in
full rebuild, Like is that the last time that Patty
throws to Travis? Yeah, clearly these receivers ain't doing it
like they're they either need to get stronger quickly or
they gotta throw some of these dudes out and go
get some other guys, like you gotta fix that O line.

(59:31):
Chris Jones is probably almost about done. Like they they're
gonna need to do some major retooling. And so the
other question is, too, does Andy Reid want to keep
doing this and stick around to do that or is
he like, you know what, because he's been coaching what
like head coaching for what like twenty five years or
something like that, I could also see him being like, ah,
you know what, it was a good run. I'm gonna

(59:53):
I'm gonna call it. So it'll be it'll be interesting
to see he's young for a coach. He's only sixty seven. Yeah,
and I know that, like you got a lot of
the coaches that are like chilling in then, Like he's
not young like the young coaches, but there's like seventy
year old coaches out here in these streets, and you know,
Pete Carroll in his eighties, like you know, but it'll

(01:00:14):
be it. That is I think the most interesting part.
I'm not even I don't even want to troll our homide,
but I've noticed that, Yeah, he hasn't been around for
a minute. He Hain't said nothing.

Speaker 1 (01:00:22):
Where are you Shun? Where are you Shune?

Speaker 3 (01:00:25):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:00:25):
Where are you?

Speaker 3 (01:00:26):
Where is nobody? Nobody is rubbing anything in But I'm
just like, are you okay? It's been a rough season,
you know, Roc and I were essentially Max Kellerman when
he said that Brady was going to fall off a cliff.
We were just too many years too early.

Speaker 1 (01:00:40):
We've got this is.

Speaker 3 (01:00:41):
This is officially it, and so I hope you're okay.

Speaker 2 (01:00:46):
Speaking of which, dude, there is no way that show
Max Kellerman and Rich Paul last the season like this,
I'm watching him.

Speaker 1 (01:00:55):
I'm watching Max Kellerman and take Rich Paul to school.

Speaker 2 (01:00:58):
Almost every clip I see on this show, and it
is crazy to me. I don't know if Rich Paul's
got what it's. I mean, this guy maxall is almost
playing with him like he's a bunny rabbit, Like this
guy's used to go in Tottoe steven A Smith like
this is as I don't know, man, I don't know
if you've seen any clips, but their argument over Michael
Jordan and Lebron and he tried to throw Steph Curry

(01:01:18):
in the same level as Michael Jordan's, Like what are
we talking about here. So it's an interesting show, bro,
I don't know where it's gonna go, to be honest
with Yeah, oh.

Speaker 1 (01:01:27):
No, I feel you. Yeah yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:01:29):
I like what the Bill showed in their victory of
the Patriots. I liked that the Patriots felt like they
were gonna win this thing twenty one to one, up
by twenty one points. I've told you, guys, Rabel can choke.
Rabel choked multiple times at Tennessee. I think there might
be something in the playoffs. Don't be counting your chickens
for the hash that they're gonna get to the super
Bowl if Rabel has a tendency to out coach himself

(01:01:50):
at times. And I think when they were up twenty
one and nothing, they all laid back and Josh Allen, Josh,
there's nothing Josh Allen loves more. Maybe besides, Hayley Steinfeld
is a death He loves being that because it just
kind of motivates him and wakes him up, and you
see what he can do. So I'm excited to see
what is gonna happen with him. I'm telling you the
Texans that is my dark horse pick. They just handle

(01:02:12):
those Cardinals even more so. I got a feeling man.
If that team is starting to find its rhythm, everybody
better watch.

Speaker 3 (01:02:18):
Out in the AFC. That team can destroy you there
because CJ. Stroud looks like he's finally getting out of
his punk. Yes, and that's the case, then everybody's nice
because the defense is the best defense in the league.
So you know the only other people that are mixing
it up with them defensively, I mean one of them
was the Packers and they and they're not that obviously, No, Micah,

(01:02:41):
you're in trouble. Yeah, the Broncos. But I trust c J.
Stroud more than I trust both Nicks, I agree. And
then I'm trying to think who are the other defensive
I mean the Browns, but you don't have a good
of enough team and you're out of the playoffs so
that doesn't help. And then and then the Seahawks, and
again I trust. It's hard to say, it's hard to say.

(01:03:06):
I guess I say I trust c J. Stroud in
the playoffs more than I do Sam Donald. Even though
it feels like Sam Donald has been playing more consistently,
he's been He's doing that like Dallas Cowboys quarterback thing.
He's very consistent in the regular season, but then when
the spotlight is on him, and Nick Wright on on
Fox Sports called this out. He said, you watch Sam

(01:03:27):
Donald play in like a one o'clock game that like
nobody's really watching and shit like that. Bro put up
five touchdowns, five hundred yards, no interceptions, run in two touchdowns.
But the minute it's like, oh it's Sunday night football
and everybody's watching. Yeah, Like the spotlight comes on and
he starts to like panic, and so I like and

(01:03:50):
because there was that was like kind of the game
of the week. Yeah, they won, but you saw the
panic come out because they weren't even necessarily watching to
watch him. They were watching because they were like, it's
Philip Rivers to do it. So then that mindset was
can he outduel this forty four year old quarterback?

Speaker 1 (01:04:04):
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (01:04:06):
So the spotlight was on and he like, yes, he
didn't have any turnovers, Yes he threw twenty two out
of thirty six, but you didn't throw any touchdowns. You
didn't look super dynamic or anything else like that. And
a lot of that was ultimately Jackson Smith and Jimba
just being JSN.

Speaker 1 (01:04:22):
Yeah. Yeah, so yeah, I think we can put the
fork in the Colts.

Speaker 2 (01:04:27):
I don't think they're going to be able to kind
of ride this thing out and get into the playoffs.
The question becomes, do the Ravens find a way to
sneak into this thing? And I gotta be honest with you,
when I look at the Texans, the Bills, the Chargers,
and the Steelers. Like the Steelers is obviously the only
way they're going.

Speaker 1 (01:04:42):
To get in. I think the Ravens are if they
win the division.

Speaker 2 (01:04:45):
I don't think the Wald card is even remotely in
play for the Ravens right now because these other teams
are just too strong that are ahead of them, and
they have too many losses to catch up to them.
In my opinion, the Texans aren't going to lose three
in a row or the Bills aren't go to lose
three in a row to make it even uh So,
the only chance they have is I think Pittsburgh and
Aaron Rodgers looked damn good last night, so he might

(01:05:07):
have turned that corner for the Pittsburgh and they'd be
maybe getting in playoff mode already.

Speaker 1 (01:05:12):
So when they play each other a couple.

Speaker 3 (01:05:14):
Of weeks, I don't believe that just because Okay, that
age thing keeps creeping back in because he's had a
game season where he's like going off and then all
of a sudden he's hearing ghosts like you know what
I'm saying, and all of a sudden, like he's like
and he's like flinching to get it out of there.

Speaker 1 (01:05:33):
Now I could be wrong.

Speaker 3 (01:05:34):
It could he could get to playoff time and it
was like, fine, I'm gonna buck up for the rest
of this. But like I just I again have more
faith that Lamar will snap out of it because you
just have the youth on his side to be able
to do that than I do Aaron necessarily doing anything.
So it'll be interesting to see what ultimately happens. But yeah,

(01:05:56):
they are. They are the same version essentially of the
NFC East, except they're closer. They're only separated by game
versus we're back by now I think two and a half. Yeah, yeah,
something like that.

Speaker 2 (01:06:09):
And I think in the in the NFC, it's going
to be interesting to see if if Tampa Bay or
Carolina gets it. Right now, Tampa Bay has the league
because of the tie breaker, but they have identical records,
so one of these young quarterbacks in Bryceo or Baker
are not going to get into the playoffs. And if
Baker's out again, it's gonna suck. But then I'm kind

(01:06:29):
but I'm kind of cheering for Bryce. Everybody wanted Bryce
kicked off the team and sent to packing, and I
want to see what happens.

Speaker 3 (01:06:36):
You know, they really wanted him out, and he has
fully been able to like he got the right coach,
like got a little bit of confidence last year, he
got the right coach. This year he's he's he's rolling man,
and so I just want to see him continue to
develop and get better because he seems like such a dud,
a good and like humble duty, works hard, and it just.

Speaker 1 (01:06:54):
Was kind of sad.

Speaker 3 (01:06:55):
It was just like, ah, you just suck.

Speaker 2 (01:06:58):
Yeah, And we'll see what happens with Tampa Bay because
Mike Evans was not fucking happy on that sideline when
they lost, so that could cause problems in the locker room.

Speaker 1 (01:07:09):
We will see. Let's get some questions with before we
get on out of here.

Speaker 2 (01:07:13):
Thank you everybody who sent in some stream Lab questions.
Carlton Runner joined us from London. He says, London, calling John,
I loved your rob Ryder episode the other day. All
thanks Lea. Did that last night live? When you think
should I go live? What would Nike do you make
a difference to us?

Speaker 1 (01:07:28):
All? Oh, thank you, Carlton. That's very kind.

Speaker 2 (01:07:30):
Yeah, I said last night that sometimes I talked myself
out of going live because I don't know if anybody's
gonna watch or anybody gives a shit about what I
have to say. It's my own internal battle. So I
appreciate you guys saying nice things like that to encourage
me to do it more. So we'll see, we'll see.
But I do want to do more live shows, so
we'll see. Thank you, Carlton. Night Fox eleven nineties. Who's
your favorite street Fighter? Andrew Schultz called out the m

(01:07:51):
cake the Mortal Kombat cast of the Game Awards. Would
both movies benefit make more money from a rivalry? Wait's
today your thoughts?

Speaker 3 (01:07:59):
I mean, I definitely would make more money from a
rivalry Like that was the same thing back in the
day of Street Fighter and Mortal Kombat. And Mortal Mortal
Kombat's more street than the Street Fighter, Like they got
fired too, but then they're actually on fire, like you know, No,
I think it would be a good thing. I still
actually haven't seen the Street Fighter trailer. I need to
watch that. I was gonna, I was gonna react to it,

(01:08:20):
and then I got busy and it was around my birthday,
Like I was just like, I got other ship to
do so. But I but but I heard they're going
for like kind of full camp on it more or less.

Speaker 1 (01:08:29):
Yeah, pretty much, pretty much.

Speaker 2 (01:08:31):
I think that's the cover to cover the limited acting
abilities of some of the cast.

Speaker 1 (01:08:35):
For sure.

Speaker 2 (01:08:36):
I have two fla campas Donald Trump blockading more oil
off Venezuela war eminent.

Speaker 1 (01:08:41):
Uh. Probably because the Epstein Files come out in two days. Uh.
And he apparently has a six pm.

Speaker 2 (01:08:49):
Uh presentation or speech tomorrow night or three pm I
guess our time, six pm ET like that is happening
tomorrow night. He's probably going to announce a ward trying
to distract us from the Epstein Files.

Speaker 5 (01:09:02):
I wouldn't be surprised. Uh what do you think? Well, yeah,
I wouldn't. I wouldn't be surprised if that, because that's
that's his game plan. It's he's flood the zone.

Speaker 3 (01:09:13):
Literally, if you're putting eight men in the box, that's
that's what you're doing. If you do that, then it's
it's hard for people to like run away with a
particular story. Yeah, and so he constantly go go look
at any time he said something or done something insane
or egregious or whatever. It was, typically because he was
hiding an executive order or a policy that he wanted

(01:09:34):
to get away from, or there was some bad news
about him that he was trying to wash over. He
does that a lot.

Speaker 1 (01:09:40):
Yeah, Yeah, he's already talking.

Speaker 2 (01:09:42):
He posted something today about the blockading Venezuela, and he
is trying to intimidate Maduro into all this.

Speaker 1 (01:09:49):
So it just it just gets worse. We're all over again. Man.

Speaker 3 (01:09:53):
If you look at if you look at the comparisons
of how they're taught, Like John Stewart did an incredible
breakdown of it yesterday, but last Monday where he was
just like beat for beat, they are saying the exact
same shit. Yeah, they're they're like, now they're calling fitting
all a weapon of mass destruction. Of course, you know

(01:10:15):
what I'm saying. And they're like, they have weapons of
mass destruction. We have to go and stop them, like.

Speaker 1 (01:10:18):
Have yellow cake, they have yellow cake. We have to do.

Speaker 3 (01:10:21):
You know what I could do it this yellow cake
with the special cy. I ain't dam kids, just Jesus
christ Man.

Speaker 2 (01:10:28):
All day, good Lord, Yeah, Reggie Brown ninety five words?
Is that coach Shaw Morris is on some ish no,
no or d is good.

Speaker 1 (01:10:38):
Enough to ruin your No? Oh, I see what you're saying.

Speaker 3 (01:10:40):
No, no kitty, nor kitty or ruin your career over yep.

Speaker 1 (01:10:44):
I agree one thousand percent. I agree one thousand percent.
Got to keep it in your pants.

Speaker 2 (01:10:48):
And so I saw someone posting, well if I lost
thirty million million dollars, I'd crash out too. No, no, no,
you lost thirty one million dollars. They didn't take it
away from you exactly. So you you crashed out by
cheat on your wife. How you get no sympathy for
me on that?

Speaker 3 (01:11:02):
And the funny thing is is it's not even necessarily
that you did it, because you did it with the
staffer and their one rule is do not fratnize with
your coworkers, especially in the position of a head coach,
which means you you're in the highest level of power.

Speaker 1 (01:11:13):
Excellent points.

Speaker 3 (01:11:15):
Like technically his wife could have taken him to the cleaners,
but he would have still had his job, right but
you specifically broke the hr rule, so they said get out,
and now you're broke.

Speaker 2 (01:11:30):
Of all the people you're gonna slept with you some
someone in the staff which you knew, put your money
in jeopardy.

Speaker 1 (01:11:35):
Why would you do that? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:11:37):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (01:11:38):
CC black says, I'm ready for Doomsday and Secret Wars. Yeah,
we will see very very soon. Ready to all says
let Downey, Helmsworth and Evans. Close the door on this
version of the MCU only right since they started it
reboot reboot, after Cigaret Wars Mutant Saga is coming.

Speaker 1 (01:11:54):
They already closed the door, though, CC Black. That's again,
they already closed the door at.

Speaker 2 (01:11:58):
The end of Doomsday, at the end of endgame literally
called Endgame.

Speaker 1 (01:12:02):
They already closed the door.

Speaker 2 (01:12:04):
They're bringing them back to reopen the door and hit
the greatest hits before they walk out again.

Speaker 3 (01:12:09):
The funny thing is is I would have always been
okay with them coming back in some sort of fashion
in this next major event, especially because it's multiversal, right,
but it needed to be more of an honestly of like.

Speaker 1 (01:12:21):
Oh ship, there's the Homies.

Speaker 3 (01:12:23):
Versus what now feels like, Oh the home the Homies
in charge again, homies are coming to say this like
you're you're you're making Doom's main rivalry beat Steve Rogers
not read Richards, like you know what I'm saying, Like
that's that doesn't make any sense, Like honestly, that'd be like,
hey man, you know what Batman like?

Speaker 1 (01:12:44):
He that dude.

Speaker 3 (01:12:45):
So we're not gonna have Lex Luthor square off against
uh Superman? No, no, no, no, no, Batman and Lex Luthor
gonna fight. That's how we're gonna do this. What no
like occasionally but overall no, Yeah, agreed, Tim, Sam, what's up?
Jim'says good or bad?

Speaker 2 (01:13:05):
Giving Fire and Nashes rotten Tomato percentage of positive views
and box off projections, the weight between Fire Nash and
Avatar's for film will be four years Yeah, possibly longer, Tim,
because James keeps hinting that he might walk away from
this for a long time before he comes back, and
he doesn't want anyone else to direct an.

Speaker 1 (01:13:23):
Installment, so we might have to wait a lot longer.

Speaker 2 (01:13:25):
It's his baby, right and the kids got to grow
up Because I'm guarantee you this will be maybe one
more with Worthington and z always out do on you
and then they're gonna move on to making the kids
the focus and the main character, so we'll see Matt
Maker Studio says, Hey, guys, did you ever collect anything
when you all were kids?

Speaker 1 (01:13:42):
Yeah? Comic books? What about you with VHS? Is right?
Video games? For sure? I don't.

Speaker 3 (01:13:50):
I haven't let it go of a lot of them.
I mean a lot of the stuff you see behind.

Speaker 1 (01:13:53):
Me on the wall.

Speaker 3 (01:13:55):
Wow, you know, certain action figures and stuff like that,
like magic cards, magic the Gathering, you know, a little bit,
a little bit of everything.

Speaker 1 (01:14:07):
Respect.

Speaker 2 (01:14:07):
Yeah, it's just comics for me.

Speaker 1 (01:14:10):
I couldn't. I couldn't handle collecting anything else. Fair I
broke stuff all the time.

Speaker 2 (01:14:15):
So sounds like at this point, James Cameron's magnum Opus
will forever be Terminator two Judgment Day.

Speaker 3 (01:14:22):
Because I'm realizing that he obviously has been around forever. Yeah,
but he actually hasn't if we think about it, done
hell of films, right, He's he's like, he's now very
particular about what he ultimately does, which I respect. Yeah,
he's only been one, two, three, four, five, six, seven,
eight nine, and this will be.

Speaker 1 (01:14:41):
Movie number ten.

Speaker 3 (01:14:42):
Yeah, and he's been active since eighty two, since the eighties.

Speaker 1 (01:14:46):
Yeah, yeah, so like.

Speaker 3 (01:14:49):
Like he has other stuff that he has done. I
just opened up his his credited so like there was Xenogenesis,
but I guess that was a short film.

Speaker 1 (01:14:58):
Right, the documentar he's done as well.

Speaker 3 (01:15:01):
Yeah, and then others, like he's written plenty of other stuff, right,
but he but he pretty much just you know, he
only directed every every now and again.

Speaker 2 (01:15:10):
But I disagree with you, Tim, I don't. I'm not
the I like Terminator two, Judgment Day I think is good,
but Edward Furlong irritates me in that movie, so I
don't go back and watch it a lot.

Speaker 1 (01:15:22):
My magnum opus is Aliens.

Speaker 2 (01:15:25):
I think that's the greatest film James Cameron's ever directed.

Speaker 1 (01:15:29):
Dialogue wise, character wise, direction.

Speaker 2 (01:15:31):
Wise, score wise, and the overall story. It's so tight,
that story, so I would put that higher, but you know,
I respect that. I also love The Abyss, which is
I think is a complicated film, but I think it
is one of his greatest films as well.

Speaker 3 (01:15:49):
You know, it's funny because I'm looking at it and
I think I understand why he also slowed down. Is
like if you think about it, Rona two was eighty two,
Terminator Terminator was eighty four. Rambow Rambo First Plot Part
two was eighty five, Aliens was eighty six, Abyss was
eighty nine, Judgment Day was ninety one, True Less was
ninety four, Stranges was ninety five, Titanic was ninety seven.

Speaker 1 (01:16:12):
Like you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (01:16:13):
So I can also see him be like, God, damn,
I just went hard for two decades. I'm a slow down.
And so after Titanic he takes off what five years
to do Silaris, and he's just a producer on that.

Speaker 1 (01:16:25):
He has an actuality.

Speaker 3 (01:16:26):
He's developing Avatar, so the last movie he actually made
himself from ninety seven all the way to two thousand
and nine, so you waited twelve years before you get Avatar.
He writes and produces a lead a Battle Angel, but
doesn't direct it. You know, he's writer producer for Dark Fate,
but he doesn't direct another movie from Avatar to Avatar

(01:16:47):
two for what twenty twenty two from two thousand and nine,
so you know what, another thirteen years. So like, I
think that's the whole thing. I think he just went
so hard so fast. He probably was like I made
a lot of money, I've won the awards.

Speaker 1 (01:17:02):
I'm good.

Speaker 3 (01:17:02):
I'm gonna do the things I like to do in life,
and that was development, technology and explore the ocean.

Speaker 1 (01:17:06):
Like you know.

Speaker 2 (01:17:07):
Yeah basically yeah, Well it's like that YouTuber. They did
a lot of stuff at the beginning and then realize, wait,
if I do one video a week and get one
hundred thousand views on it, I'm good. I don't have
to make content every day, you know. So it's it's
just that kind of thing.

Speaker 3 (01:17:20):
Sometimes there's one YouTuber they're they do like video essays,
like comedy video essays and stuff. And you go back
and you look and for a while they were doing,
like you said, probably a video a week, yeah, and
now they're out here doing maybe a video every month

(01:17:43):
to six weeks.

Speaker 1 (01:17:44):
Wow, all of those.

Speaker 3 (01:17:45):
Videos still do like two three million views. I'm like, Jesus,
that is nuts. That's the life. That's the life.

Speaker 2 (01:17:53):
Yeah, right, I could live off one video for two
or three million every six.

Speaker 1 (01:17:57):
Weeks for sure. Sure what that payout is?

Speaker 2 (01:18:01):
Yeah, that's true. Actually, could just be T two and Titanic.
Forgot Cameron did the eleven oscar winner Titanic. Yeah, but
Titanic also gets you know, I think fairly criticized for
the dialogue and some of the script issues, but as
Winston said, the filmmaking aspect of it is absolutely masterpiece
level filmmaking for sure. I remember seeing it eight times

(01:18:23):
in the theaters in ninety seven ninety eight because I
just was so blown away that they had made he
had built the ship to nine tenths the size of
the ship to shoot the film on.

Speaker 1 (01:18:35):
Mind blowing you know. So yeah, yeah, wild stuff. Yep.

Speaker 2 (01:18:40):
Chris Corcoran says, could Trump pardon Nick Reiner? I could
see it.

Speaker 1 (01:18:44):
Of course.

Speaker 2 (01:18:44):
Nick is the son of Rob Ryner, who sadly allegedly
killed his great filmmaker father and his mom. No, because
this would be a state crime, not a federal crime,
and presidents can't pardon, can't pardon state crimes.

Speaker 1 (01:18:58):
They can only pardon federal crimes.

Speaker 2 (01:19:01):
So I don't think you do that, which is why
Tina Peters isn't still in jail.

Speaker 3 (01:19:05):
Yeah, no, dude, It's absolutely tragic. And you know, again,
f Trump forever for what he said.

Speaker 1 (01:19:12):
Dude, that was so disgusting, Such a clown, such a cloud.

Speaker 2 (01:19:16):
Uh CC blacks is the four trailer leaked his prayer
to Odin got to me, Oh wow, they're all leaking.

Speaker 1 (01:19:22):
Now with they're all leaking, who has access to this?

Speaker 3 (01:19:26):
I am so curious who has access to all of this?

Speaker 1 (01:19:30):
I mean, why isn't people getting fired? Why are peop
getting named? Uh see.

Speaker 2 (01:19:34):
Blake also says support from my d m V brother
respects CC. Yeah, that's DC Marylyn Virginia respect bro.

Speaker 1 (01:19:40):
Appreciate that. All right?

Speaker 2 (01:19:42):
Uh, Winston, we put get on out of here doing
there in the show? Anything you want to talk about.
We got a couple more minutes. We're gonna hang out
if you like, or we can wrap it on up here,
head on out with our knights.

Speaker 1 (01:19:50):
What do you got?

Speaker 3 (01:19:51):
Uh? Yeah, I'm I'm good to like. I don't think
that there's really anything else just because I mean, the
only other thing. I think we covered all of it
actually because you know, we talked obviously Rob Ryanan for
a little bit, and we talked, talked you know, Tron Moore,
and like we we went through it all. So no,
I would just say specifically, man, like you know, come

(01:20:14):
and check me out over at the Swaggy Blurd. I,
Uh what started memberships over there, which is cool. So
my first exclusive video should be out in like two days.

Speaker 1 (01:20:23):
Nice and then what the Blurd Breakdown.

Speaker 3 (01:20:27):
I did it to this morning, and you know, I
gotta go back and look at the numbers. If people
continue to watch it early in the morning, then I
may have to make that a permanent adjustment, just because
I do a lot of screenings Monday Monday evenings.

Speaker 1 (01:20:38):
But the Blurd Breakdown.

Speaker 3 (01:20:40):
Have you seen uh sings songs on Blue yet?

Speaker 1 (01:20:45):
No, it's on the It's on the app. I gotta
watch that one.

Speaker 3 (01:20:48):
Oh for the critics choice ye ye yeah, yea, yeah, dude,
it is like it is a good movie, so right here, Yeah, yeah,
it's a good movie. I was kind of shocked that
Hugh didn't also get a nomination, but Kate definitely deserves it. Yeah,
and I am highly recommended. I did my non spoiler
in the Blurred Breakdown. I was confidenced not to put

(01:21:09):
my spoiler out yet because it doesn't come out for
another week, so I'm gonna wait, like and do it
early next week. But but yeah, check that out. Check
out capes and couch. Check out blurds tomorrow. Demon Slayer.
We're finishing up season two this weekend, and that's pretty
much everything I will be around next week, but I'm
traveling all week, so a lot of the stuff will

(01:21:29):
be pre recorded. I will probably still be able to
do the show with John off. John's up to it, okay,
so we will see what happens. But you know, much
love to everybody and happy holidays.

Speaker 1 (01:21:38):
Respect same thing, Winston for sure. Back to you.

Speaker 2 (01:21:41):
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Speaker 2 (01:22:14):
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Speaker 1 (01:22:21):
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