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Speaker 1 (00:14):
All right, thank you guys again, thank you guys for
putting up with about five minutes of no effing sound.

Speaker 2 (00:19):
Yes, I will keep it like this. I don't know
what happened. I guess you know, yesterday we had our
cleaners come through the house.

Speaker 1 (00:25):
Oh no, I guess Friday. Friday we had a cleaners
come through the house. And I didn't do a show yesterday.
So I just always I always break down the office,
put it in the garage, and then put it all
back up together again. But usually I do another show
or something or a reaction. So I know that the
audio was set up correctly, but clearly it was not
in this situation. So thank you guys so much for

(00:47):
being patient with me as I do so. So anyway,
no sound again. Don't even joke around. Don't even joke
around now now what I'm gonna kill it in a second?

Speaker 2 (00:57):
Uh anything? No? Nothing? All good? Okay? Okay, okay. People
like saying no sound and Mark Readman saying no sound again?
Is that true? No? It's fine? Okay, all right, anyway,
No he's trolling.

Speaker 1 (01:12):
Oh okay, Mark, I hope you I hope you hit
your leg on the side of your bedpost.

Speaker 2 (01:17):
For that. So there you go.

Speaker 1 (01:19):
Yes, welcome, So here we go start it all over again.
I'm so sorry, thank you so much for joining me
here live on this episode of The Truth. I've been
so busy the last few weeks. I haven't done a
new episode of the Truth in a while. Plus the
last few days we've been dealing with the Lady Outlaw
having COVID. That was her first time having it, so

(01:41):
you know, it's been like taking care of her, making
sure she's okay, things of that nature. So I've been
kind of stressed out in a number of different directions. Plus,
you know, Plus I'm in this place now, I'm kind
of in this place where things are starting to change
for me and I'm starting to wonder what the next
paths are.

Speaker 2 (01:56):
You guys know me.

Speaker 1 (01:57):
I never like to sit still. I'm always looking to progress.
I'm always looking to change. I'm always looking to try
new things or make new decisions. I'm never ever probably
going to be one hundred percent happy in anything I'm
doing because I always know it can be better. It's
just kind of the curse of who I am. And
certainly I want to start focusing on how to get

(02:18):
more people involved in the show, and also how to
go back to doing more of these kind of solo shows,
so to speak. Even though I do enjoy doing stuff
with the geek buddies and the bike and spill the
tequila and all that, it's just kind of I'm kind
of realizing as we make some changes here, as we
call it the John Roka Channel, John Roka.

Speaker 2 (02:36):
Has got to be on the John Roka Channel.

Speaker 1 (02:37):
So that's kind of the approach mentally that I'm looking
at with this kind of stuff. So we'll see what
it leads to in terms of decisions and things I
want to do, perhaps more episodes of The Truth per
week where it becomes something that you guys can look
forward to on certain days and you know for sure
I'll be there on certain days to talk about things
and whatever. So we will see as that plays along. No,

(02:59):
I'm I'm not breaking up with anybody.

Speaker 2 (03:02):
I like the I like the channel. I'm trying to
make the channel better.

Speaker 1 (03:09):
I had a person reach out to me who's going
to help me get more ads for the channel, which
I think will be great to increase the financial results
of the channel, which I think are important, and also
get me out there a little bit more to hopefully
increase the numbers on the channel, terms of the view
numbers and the subscribers, because I mean, we're on what
we're about to get into our sixth year next year

(03:31):
of this channel being around, and I would like to
get to a point where it's you know, picking people
up more consistently than it has been. And so not
that I'm complaining, because I think, you know, a majority
of people try to start YouTube channels that don't get
anywhere close to forty thousand subscribers. So I'm proud of
the work we've done and proud of the shows we've done,
but I also know that the channel deserves more and
should get more. So we will be working on that here,

(03:55):
and there are steps that I'm taking to get it
to make it more available and more in people's faces
and that nature. And now I was doing shorts for
a little bit for a few weeks and then kind
of trailed off, So I'll be going back to do
that to doing shorts. A friend of mine, Kevin Smetz,
he suggested a certain program that I could use that
could convert all my long form stuff into shorts and

(04:16):
then I can pick out the shorts I want to
put up. So that's going to be fun to see
if I can make that work as well. And I'll
have a new logo coming soon that'll be up on
the banner of the YouTube channel that is going to
be animated, and you can see the preview of it
on the cover now, like on the thumbnail right now
for this show, you see the animated version of myself
or the cartoon version of myself, And that's what I'm

(04:38):
going to put up there because the gentleman who's working
on it is fantastic work. He's doing so quickly taking
my notes and putting him in motion. So I appreciate
this very much what they're doing. So yeah, things that
nature are happening, plus all the new graphics and all
the stuff going down, So yeah, I will be doing
more of this show consistently going forward. I would do
more of the smaller content consistently going forward as well,

(05:00):
on certain news items as soon as they pop up.
And that's you know, basically sitting at the desk making
that happen. So the next step I also think is
getting a new chair. As much as I do enjoy
this lazy boy chair, it's time to get a little
bit of a gaming chair, so I have more space,
more time, and I can feel more comfortable sitting in
this situation like an office.

Speaker 2 (05:18):
So all of that is happening as well. All right,
So anyway, we're here to talk about Marvel stuff.

Speaker 1 (05:25):
We're here to talk about Peacemaker blowing up and getting
and the controversy going on here and people going at
each other online, denigrating each other, the controversy, the toxicity,
the vitriol being traded back and forth, the unnecessary vitual
treaded being traded back and forth.

Speaker 2 (05:41):
And we're gonna jump into my tron Aries review.

Speaker 1 (05:43):
I went and saw that this morning at a real
D three D screening of it. I thought it was gorgeous,
But what about the film itself? Beyond the cinematography, beyond
the special effects, beyond the look of the movie, did
it work in an atwork? Here's a quick preview of
what I'm going to tell you about the film. I
didn't hate it as as much as everybody else who
acted as if Tron shot their childhood dog. I actually

(06:04):
thought the film was had some really good moments in it,
So we will talk about.

Speaker 2 (06:08):
That a little bit later.

Speaker 1 (06:09):
We also can get into a tribute for Diane Keaton,
who sadly passed away over the weekend at seventy nine
years old, and talk about her legacy and talk about
her as an actress and what she did as well.
So a lot going on here in the world of
the Truth and the Outlaw Nation.

Speaker 2 (06:26):
Oh sorry, the John Rocca Channel, which is what we
are now.

Speaker 1 (06:28):
Still getting that into my mouth man, Not easy, not easy,
but we will see.

Speaker 2 (06:32):
All right. Anyway, let's get into the first thing. Let's
have it.

Speaker 1 (06:35):
Oh yeah, just a quick reminder, stream labs and super
chats are open if you want to send in. If
there's a topic that's not on the rundown that you
want me to talk about, then please feel free to
send that in through stream lab, super chats and I
will talk about it. And if it's a topic I
don't know anything about it, I will do a quick
look up and give you.

Speaker 2 (06:52):
My spot reaction to it. Overall, So yeah, and I
might have some political stuff to throw in here a
little bit later on. We will see. It depends on
what the mood I'm in. This is the truth, so.

Speaker 1 (07:02):
I tell the truth, my truth, the truth here on
the channel, and no subjects are off limits for me.

Speaker 2 (07:08):
You guys know that except for one wait, and because.

Speaker 1 (07:12):
Of stuff that's going on, and I am not as
learned on that subject, but certainly no other subject is
out of bounds for me to talk about. So send
in your love, sending your questions, thoughts and comments. Would
appreciate the support. But let's jump into it. So Marvel
had themselves a New York Comic Con the presentation, and
quite a lot of stuff was shown here. You got

(07:32):
yourself a wonder Man trailer that was shown. First, there
was a teaser and then a full on trailer that
was shown, and there was more that they got to
they announced during this thing. And I'm gonna bring up
the breakdown here from the direct or, the summation from
the direct and talk about the things that were revealed here.
Let's see if that works with the graphics. No, no,

(07:53):
I got to take the graphics now, So let's take
graphics down there we go. Maybe I could put up
the truth behind me is there? Don't know if I
have the logo of the truth by me, I don't
think i'd do. Uh okay, so I'll have to work
on that for next time.

Speaker 2 (08:06):
Uh, and see what we can create here. No, all right, Oh,
I know we can get Oh, here we go.

Speaker 1 (08:13):
We get some we can get some funky funky stuff
going on behind us.

Speaker 2 (08:17):
How would just this, I'll just do that. Nope, that's streaminger,
that's kind of lame. I won't do that. Uh blue waves, Okay,
Sure that could work to make it bigger. Yeah, there
we go. All right, so let's take a look at
this thing, and I'll actually how does that work? Does
that work? Does it work like this? Oh? Here we go?

Speaker 1 (08:37):
But I like to make myself bigger, so I'll have
to I guess I'll have to come up with a
here we go.

Speaker 2 (08:42):
That's a better situation there, all right, So let's bring
it up and let's take a look at this thing.
Let's make it a little bit bigger here all right.

Speaker 1 (08:49):
So near Comic Cot, every major mcqu announcement and reveal
blah blah blah blah blah blah. Okay, your friendly neighorhood
Spider Man season two was announced here. The head of
Marvel TVs took the stage and said, season two we'll
return to Disney in fall of twenty twenty six for
new episodes. I'm excited about that. I liked that show.
Mike Volwill and Shannon and I reviewed it on the

(09:09):
Geek Buddies earlier this year and we enjoyed season one,
so we're looking forward to season two coming back, saying
it was the major focus will be on Peter Parker's
lore and history. Fans remember season one ending with a
reveal that his father, Richard Parker was alive and in
jails out and May paid him a visit, which I
had feelings of the amazing Spider Man, the one that

(09:30):
Andrew Garfield did, so it was cool. I'm excited to
see that come back. So but then the big stuff
happened here with Charlie Cox.

Speaker 2 (09:39):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (09:39):
Sorry, The footage revealed that Charlie Cox was back as.

Speaker 2 (09:43):
The animated area of Matt Murdoch Daredevil. That's awesome.

Speaker 1 (09:46):
Season two will also deliver MC's first adaptation of Gwen Stacy.

Speaker 2 (09:50):
I remember that she's been in the.

Speaker 1 (09:53):
Sony version of the Spider Man Marvel Universe, but not
in the Disney MCU.

Speaker 2 (09:57):
Version of the Marvel Universe. It'll be our first.

Speaker 1 (10:00):
Gwen Stacy that we see, although you would argue is
Zendaya kind of sat in for Gwen Stacy and Spider
Man no way home, but Peter asked the character.

Speaker 2 (10:08):
What do I call you? She responds with the simple Gwen.

Speaker 1 (10:10):
The footage also included new luks at Auto Otavius better
known as dot Oc and Venom, and Peter returns to Osborn,
finds the symbol for striking a deal with Norman Osborne,
and the trailer closes with Robbie Robertson falling off a
roof and it cuts off right before.

Speaker 2 (10:24):
Spider Man catches them.

Speaker 1 (10:25):
Oh interesting, the way they're messing with the cannon and
the lore of Spider Man. I like that fans of
Venom should get excited, is what Brad Winderbaum said. So
there you go now, X Men ninety seven season two,
And of course shout out to my brother Beau to Mayo,
who has a big fan of the Geek Buddies. And
we may have an announcement coming soon with Bau to
Mayo on the Geek Buddies. Just I'm telling you right now,

(10:46):
Bau To Mao's reached out to us. Bo wants to
talk to us about something. Bou wants to work on
a project with us, so that'll be part of the
Geek Buddies thing.

Speaker 2 (10:54):
So if we can lock that down and.

Speaker 1 (10:57):
Get it, get the particulars worked out. I think you
guys would be really happy about getting some more insider
perspective on X Men.

Speaker 2 (11:11):
Ninety seven and other things from Bo demand.

Speaker 1 (11:14):
So for right now, conversations are happening, negotiations are about
to happen, and then we'll figure out what that's going
to look like, and then we'll make a big announcement
about it when when the time comes with BO. So uh,
that will be so interesting if he can get that's

(11:36):
really good the gig bodies.

Speaker 2 (11:37):
I like that. Actually Bo's watching.

Speaker 1 (11:39):
Or I doubt he's watching, but if he was watching,
I think bow we get a kick out of that
for sure. But anyway, X Men ninety seven executive produces
Eric and Julia lou Wall, showrunners and writers on x
Panaime series, took the stage with Davis with Davis to
tease what's coming from the animated Mutant series. They kicked
off the panel by confirming season three is in development

(12:00):
before telling the crowd the season two tease up season
three in a massive way. The new trailer for season two,
fans saw footage of Apocalypse, who will be.

Speaker 2 (12:08):
One of the main villains.

Speaker 1 (12:09):
For these new episodes, the X Men are confirmed to
be scattered across the past and future as they look
to get back to their time period in the nineteen
nineties Jing, Grand Scot Summer Sun. Nathan Summers has grown
into a teenager as well. Now, before we go any further,
I want to bring up some other stuff that people
put out here for X Men ninety seven and some
of the reactions.

Speaker 2 (12:29):
I know that is it.

Speaker 1 (12:31):
Richard Marquand had some comments about it as well. Let
me see if we have if I can bring up
the tweet here. Yeah, the trailer was leaked online, so
if you want to wash the trailer, it's like an
hour and fifty one seconds or minute fifty one seconds
from at x Men updates. But here are some photos.
I'm not going to play any of the video, but

(12:54):
we can look at the photos here. Yeah, here we go.
Here's some shots for X Men ninety seven season two,
coming in summer of twenty twenty six. There's Apocalypse on
the bottom right corner there Angel as Apocalypse Angel, which
is my favorite X Men ever bar none.

Speaker 2 (13:09):
Which is really cool to see. And then what else
have we got here?

Speaker 1 (13:13):
Yeah, so you see that clearly, you got Wolverine, you
got Rogue, you got Storm Magneto from behind there, and
of course the team down there on the left, which
is really interesting.

Speaker 2 (13:24):
Let's see winterboumb okay.

Speaker 1 (13:27):
So, asking about the creator showrunner change, I think fans
have a lot of questions about what expects in do
if vibe and tone is gonna be similar to season,
if it's going to go in a new direction. What
can you say about the continuation of this show under
the new creative leadership.

Speaker 2 (13:40):
Well, first and foremost, Brad Winterbaum.

Speaker 1 (13:42):
Says, it's actually the entire creative team, same directors, same producers,
same cast, made the same writers, and it's thinning on
the shoulders of giants.

Speaker 2 (13:48):
That's a nice shout out to bo One.

Speaker 1 (13:49):
Thing that X Men makes X Men ninety seven work
so well is that everybody's rowing in exactly the same direction.
Everyone that works on the show knows that original series
inside and out, and we worked very closely with Eric
and Julia Lee Wald, Larry Houston, who created the X
Men animated series. They're here for They're here all the time,
reviewing material and talking the artist. The second season feels
very much a worthy successor to the first season. Here's

(14:11):
another shot of Polaris there with Professor X, so where
is that going to lead us. Here's a shot of
Gene and Scott, so there's there's more of that.

Speaker 2 (14:22):
The shot of Apocalypse, which I think is very accurate,
comic book's accurate, which I think is awesome. But I
thought there was a quote. I guess I should have parted.

Speaker 1 (14:30):
I thought there was a quote for Richard Markwand who
said that there's going to be deaths. Let me see
if I can find that. But he said there's going
to be deaths.

Speaker 2 (14:39):
Is that right?

Speaker 1 (14:46):
I said, okay, So Brad say, it's gonna be a
lot of romance. There's a lot of romance in xtpounties
of the season two. Well, Rogan Magneto are stuck in
the past together, they're kind of our past team, and
Scott and Jean are in the future along with Storm
and Forge, so there will be a romance on that end.
But I guess, uh, there's Bishop is trying to bring
them back. The return of Pocalypse. Yeah, I guess there's

(15:07):
not the Mark one. I thought for sure, here we
go Ross Mark One. I'm amazed Disney Green led it
because it's so dark, a lot of people die. That's
what he said in an interview with with Collider there.
So yeah, So I'm excited to see what we're gonna
get from X Men ninety seven season two because I
like that series a lot. And you know, as I said,

(15:28):
I'll have announcements when the time comes for.

Speaker 2 (15:32):
What we might be doing with beaud Mao.

Speaker 1 (15:33):
It's it's not a certain, it's not a given, it's
not one hundred percent sure, but we are having conversations
right now about it. Let's move back to the Marvel
situation here, darren Neuber board again. In season two, they
had the they had the panel there, Charlie Cox came out,
presented stuff, and then Kristin Ritter came out on stage.
I hope you guys have seen the videos of that.

(15:54):
Everybody cheering like crazy. Uh. Karen Page Matt Bardarch rekindled
the romantic relationship they built during the original Daredevil series
on Netflix, getting milkshakes and a diner and giving off
romantic tension. That's what's in the trailer. Because they dropped
the trailer for season two. They haven't put it out online,
but they dropped it out of the panel and I
think there's like nineteen seconds of it that's online now.

(16:14):
I don't know if the whole trailer is online, but
certainly I saw nineteen seconds of it and looked excellent.

Speaker 2 (16:19):
Like the trailer itself.

Speaker 1 (16:21):
I can't judge obviously the season I've watched in the episodes,
but the trailer itself looked fucking excellent and they used
the right song. It seems like they used the right
highlights from it. Also, that Kingpin they're teasing that Kingpin
is all over that trailer. Vinzenawi Wilson Wilson Fisk is
boxing in a gym. For those of you who collected
Daredevil combooks in the past, you know that Wilson Fisk

(16:44):
likes to have occasional boxing matches in a gym. And
it's also kind of reminiscent of Matt's father, who was
a boxer. Matt Murrock's father was a boxer, so it
carries a lot of extra weight when he sees that
we appear to have an underground prison similar to what
we saw at the end of season one. There was
also likely a flashback look at Elden Henson's foggy Nelson
with long hair after his tragic passing in season one.

Speaker 2 (17:06):
Yeah, that's the thing.

Speaker 1 (17:07):
That's really interesting because sorry, the actor there, Elden Henson,
I think a couple of weeks ago La Comic Con
was a couple of weeks ago he said that he
thought he said that he wasn't coming back for season two.
And now Brad Winderbaum and certainly the trailer shows that
Foggy is back, so Winterbam cleared up that he will

(17:27):
be back. But I think what Elden was saying, as
an actor has the right to say, is that I'm
not going to be back in any significant way, like
I won't be a main character in this thing. And
Matthew Lillard is apparently a focus of the trailer as well,
he would be joining the cast here for season two.
But he was basically saying that, like I mean, they

(17:51):
ask if you're back. When they ask if you're back,
they don't mean are you back because you're popping up
in a recurring thing or a dream or a sequence
that's from a previous episode.

Speaker 2 (18:01):
It's if you're back to play the character and have
a meaningful storyline.

Speaker 1 (18:05):
And I think what Elden was saying, if I can
read between the lines, is that he's not back in
the way that an actor would want to come back,
which is with storylines and what have you. So it
seems like he'll be in a flashback as this article
is alluding to, but not necessarily back fully.

Speaker 2 (18:20):
So that'll be interesting.

Speaker 1 (18:21):
And as I said, Rinder showed up here, Jessica Jones
is on screen. I saw the nineteen seconds online. You
see her use both hands to knock someone like nineteen
feet across a kitchen, and once she showed up you
can see the fans cheering in the footage as well.

Speaker 2 (18:37):
So people are excited her to be back.

Speaker 1 (18:39):
You know, I like Kristin Rinder's an actress. I used
to watch Don't Trust to Be an Apartment twenty three.
She used to be wrapped by William Morrison voiceover. I've
had a couple of conversations with her when I was
there at Williamore's doing voiceovers and sitting in the green
room waiting to audition, and she was very pleasant, very nice,
but also like very much her own woman.

Speaker 2 (18:55):
Like you know, that.

Speaker 1 (18:56):
Energy comes off of her very strongly, and so I
think that's the energy that people like about her as
Jessica Jones.

Speaker 2 (19:02):
So I totally get it.

Speaker 1 (19:03):
She's not the Jessica Jones I would have cast necessarily,
but I know that a lot of people enjoy her,
So I'm sure a lot of people are very excited
that she's back, and we'll see what we will get.
Because I personally didn't like the second season of Jessica
Jones and the first season the Purple Man stuff got
a little.

Speaker 2 (19:21):
Repetitive and exhausting.

Speaker 1 (19:23):
I thought that season could have been cut short by
two episodes and it would have been just as effective.
But it's great that she's back and people are excited
that she's back. She called the return surreal, as if
no time had passed, and she also said also Davis
also discussed quote assembling a team to defend New York
City Teasday potential Defenders reunion after Netflix's Defender saga ended

(19:43):
in twenty nineteen. Cox seemed to agree with the sentiment,
but fans will wait for characters Luke Cage Ironfist to
join The mix. Footage also included wins Wilson Bethelo's bullseye,
but he was not wearing the costume he used in
season one, So yeah, maybe he's back, you know, in
prison or whatever for what happened there at the dance
or at the function to charity gala with Kingpin and
Kingfinn's wife and Daredevil.

Speaker 2 (20:05):
So yeah, it's gonna be interesting to see that.

Speaker 1 (20:08):
By the way, some of you watching Task because the
actress who plays the ex girlfriend, the woman who's kind
of in the middle of the biker guys, if you've
been watching Task, that is Matt Murdock's girlfriend in Dared
double season one, if you guys haven't put two and
two together. And I think she's so much better in
Task than she is in Daredevil. And I think it's

(20:30):
mostly because she's actually getting something to do in Task,
whereas in Daredevil she was just basically kind of a
nag and a convenient thing to add mystery to the
show and add romantic tension or conflict to Matt's life,
and then of course the Kingpin equation to mess up
Matt even more so.

Speaker 2 (20:52):
I thought it was a thankless role. I think she did.
I thought she did a good job with what she
was given.

Speaker 1 (20:56):
But when you see her own Task, you know the
potential of this actress, And of course she was really
and I think a couple of episodes that she had in.

Speaker 2 (21:05):
That Star Wars show The Acolyte, so I thought she
was good in that as well, And shout out to
Jony Turner Smith, we wanna talk about this a little bit. Yeah,
so that's what you get for dared O will see
season two Born Again and whenever they put out the trailer,
I think you guys are gonna enjoy the trailer if
you don't want to watch the leak nineteen seconds that
are out there.

Speaker 1 (21:26):
And then moving on to wonder man, this was a
wonderful trailer. I have to say, I'm gonna go full
on this one. This was a wonderful trailer. I watched
it again today.

Speaker 2 (21:36):
I just thoroughly, thoroughly enjoyed what we got, and I
wasn't sure what we were gonna get, you know.

Speaker 1 (21:41):
I like Desin, Danielkretnlin, enjoyed shann Chi. I like yay
abdul Mateen. Second, he's such a strong actor. And I thought, well,
they're gonna bring if they're bringing Trevor in, it's kind
of a bit of a gimmick.

Speaker 2 (21:51):
Why are they bringing him in?

Speaker 1 (21:53):
But then when they explained what the show is going
to be, which is like a medical commentary on acting
a medic commentary on what it's like to be in
the business. I was like, Oh, okay, that makes sense
because Trevor's an actor, right. We established that in the MCU,
and I thought this trailer was a lot of fun.
I really was surprised how much I enjoyed it. As
an actor myself, there's a lot of or a former actor,

(22:16):
there's a lot of inside baseball stuff that I remember
from my days going to those fucking auditions and sitting
there and listening to someone else killing it in the
room and you're gonna you're going in after them, and
you're sitting in a hallway with everybody else's body odor
and tension and you know, concern and the way they're
working on their lines, and it's such a thankless fucking experience, man,

(22:38):
until you boo book something big. So I was getting
PTSD watching it. It's kind of like Barry the Show,
burying it. But whenever they would have scenes in the
acting class, my right eye would start to twitch from
the the memories of being in those situations. So I
think the trailer captured what that feeling is like. I think, yeah,
ya abduam team. The second brings this great kind of

(22:58):
wide eyed energy assignment that I really enjoy. And he's
willing to make fun of himself and do the comedy,
which is really great. I like the the actress was
playing his agent. That back and forth they af throughout
the whole trailer was a lot of fun because I
certainly how did my agents in the past before? Kind
of like that you know you do when you're kind
of desperate and you want something and you want to

(23:21):
desperately want to get it.

Speaker 2 (23:22):
I mean, you want to get the role.

Speaker 1 (23:23):
You're constantly wondering if the agent is like disconnected the
phone or hasn't called you because of they've got too busy,
and you want the news as.

Speaker 2 (23:30):
Soon as possible.

Speaker 1 (23:31):
So I liked it that element was in there, and
I think the Trevor element actually works. I think him
coming in actually works. And the bancher they have in
certain scenes is so fun. I mean, Kingsley is so
good at comedy, like deadpan comedy. It's really great him
in the bathroom telling him you know what, fuck was it?

(23:51):
Fuck your process? You know, just stay lines and things.
It's so funny. So having him as like a sounding
board so when he becomes wonder Man, what will be
the commentary? Then I wonder what will Trevor's role be
in all of this? Then he's almost like iron It's
almost like Tony Stark for the comedic side of things
in Marvel, right, because he appeared in Shaun Chi obviously

(24:13):
in the funnier elements of Iron Man three, and now
here in his one shot, which if you guys haven't
watched that on Disney Plus, is a lot of fun.
So for me personally, I thought the trailer had the
right energy and got me excited to go see it.
So I hope or watch it on Disney Plus, So
I hope it's good. It's coming out in January instead
of December, so that's a curious move. But we will

(24:37):
see on how people respond to it for sure.

Speaker 2 (24:41):
So what else? What else was teased here? Oh? Yeah,
Vision Quest? Yeah, Vision Quest.

Speaker 1 (24:49):
So to close off the Marvel Animation and Marvel Television panel,
they brought up Paul Betney to share new information on
Vision Quests, including confirming the show's title. This will mark
the third and final chapter Memorable MC trilogy. I saw
a lot of people pushing back on this, saying that
Agatha Along isn't part of the trilogy. What are you
talking about? Of course as part of the trilogy. People
were like, that has nothing to do with WandaVision. Of course,

(25:10):
there has something to do with wander Vision. What the
fuck is wrong with you? Agatha was absolutely connect. Agatha
was in all through One Division. Why the fuck would
that not be the second installment in the trilogy for.

Speaker 2 (25:21):
Wanda and Vision.

Speaker 1 (25:22):
That doesn't make any sense at all to try to
claim Agatha is not part.

Speaker 2 (25:25):
Of the trilogy, And certainly where we left off.

Speaker 1 (25:28):
We're going to see where we go with that next
if that leads into this Vision Quest series. Paul Bentley
discussed the show by detailing how Red Vision gives White
Vision all of his memories, including everything that happened in
Wanda Maximov's X during One Division. He should put that
on Sam Raimi so he doesn't fucking forget the next
time he does another Doctor Strange movie. That'd be great

(25:50):
if you put Sam in that spell and have you
download all the episodes of One Division. However, White Vision
struggles to connect with those memories and lacks the emotion
or feelings associated with them, and that would make sense,
right if someone put a lot of memories into your
mind after you'd had amnesia and you don't remember these
memories at all.

Speaker 2 (26:08):
Even though you're having these memories, it can cause a disconnect.

Speaker 1 (26:12):
So what is this disconnect going to do to Vision
who does not have those emotions? You know, It's like
what they did with Gomorra, right, Like they brought in
the other Gomorra who didn't have the relationship with Peter
from a different time, brought her into a current time
and her and she didn't have any feelings for Peter,
And that was a weird, awkward, fun storyline that played

(26:36):
out there at endgame. So it's got elements of that
by doing that, Betty says White Vision's journey through the show,
it's quote trying to connect with those memories. Apparently, there
was a short trail that revealed many of the show's
new cast members who play human forms of the of
some of the MCU's most.

Speaker 2 (26:55):
Notable AI systems.

Speaker 1 (26:57):
Henry Lewis plays Domi from The Iron Man sag I
remember that was a five pointer?

Speaker 2 (27:03):
Didn't Kalanowski lose on that?

Speaker 1 (27:05):
In the Inner Geek them for not having that dumb
e on the on the arms?

Speaker 2 (27:11):
Am I misremembering that? Correct? Me? If I'm wrong and
I think Henry isn't Henry the one who.

Speaker 1 (27:15):
Played Jarvis in real life in the Old and Captain
or Agent Cardiff series.

Speaker 2 (27:22):
I thought that was him.

Speaker 1 (27:23):
Jonathan Syers portraying Jonathan Sayer is portraying you, or Lobrady
embraces the or Lo Brady embraces the role of Friday,
and Emily Hampshire joins the show as Edith from Spider
Man Far from From Now.

Speaker 2 (27:34):
Or le Braddon Now. Friday is voiced by oh what's
the actress from Benches finished? Kerry Condon? Right?

Speaker 1 (27:43):
So bring in Orla Brady, who is of Picard fame?
That's interesting that Emily Hampshire.

Speaker 2 (27:50):
Oh no, sorry, James James Darcy is here returning his Jarvis. Sorry,
Henry Lewis is someone else?

Speaker 1 (27:56):
My apologies guys, James Darcy, that's right, James Darcy is
his name? Maxus Ground of the MCU as Jarvis, first
playing the role in both seasons of Agent Carter before
returning an Avengers end Game. So interesting, So the people
who did the voices are not necessarily coming back as
the character. Finally, James Bader takes on his first MCU
project in more than a decade reprising his role as Ultron.
So that's gonna be fun because remember that's like one

(28:16):
of the best scenes in Age of Ultron is when
Vision and Ultron have that exchange about humanity and that
humanity is doomed. So bringing him back gonna be fascinating
to see what version of Ultron we're going to get
in the back and forth with Vision. The footage concluded
with a quick look at Ariard Molika and on a
CCTV recording where he has identified as Thomas Shepard, fans

(28:39):
will recognize recognize him as the reincarnate version of Tommy Maximov,
also known as speed Billy, Maximov's twin brother and Wanda's son.
So good stuff there, exciting stuff there, So we'll see
what that ends up. But I you know, I know
everyone's down on Marvel. Everyone's coming after Marvel. Everyone's attacking
Marlvel right now because they're the punching bag for so

(29:01):
many things. And I get it, But I thought these
were fun announcements. I mean, I liked your friendly neighorhood
spider Man, so I'm excited for a season two.

Speaker 2 (29:08):
The Wonder Man thing looks great. Daredevil warn again.

Speaker 1 (29:12):
We know that those last two episodes I think are
directed by the creative team that is going to take
over for the entire season. Now we now know in
retrospect that season one was basically a Jeckel and Hyde season.

Speaker 2 (29:22):
Was a lot of the old footage that they claimed
they reshot.

Speaker 1 (29:26):
A lot of the old footage was actually used in
a lot of those episodes. But the stuff that really
stood out was the stuff from the creative team that
took over after the earlier creative team was removed. So
that bodes well for going into season two, and hopefully
that season is much better than season one, which was
at best mixed. I think in the overall assessment of
that season, I also enjoyed the X Men ninety seven

(29:48):
season two stuff like are they going to carry on that.

Speaker 2 (29:51):
We're not going to know? And too we see the episodes.

Speaker 1 (29:53):
Did they carry on the mantle of what bo started
or did they go the safe route as Disney and
Marvelous tended to do when they bring up really difficult things.
I mean, that's the great thing about and Orn. That's
a great thing about X Men ninety seven season one.
There were two creators who in essence were allowed to
show their visions fully realized, going into deep dark places

(30:16):
with their commentary that you wouldn't normally see.

Speaker 2 (30:19):
And the reason they stand out and the reason people
love those two series is because those series weren't the
safe route. They forced the audience to sit and look
at things. You know.

Speaker 1 (30:29):
I was watching last night the David Chase documentary on
the Sopranos. I had not seen that ever. Right last night,
I was just flipping around looking for something to watch.
I've been in a Sopranos mood lately because that's essentially
my favorite show ever made, and I was looking on
the David Chase thing and in the first part, by
the way, it's excellent. If you're a Sopranos fan you
haven't seen that, you need to watch it. If you're

(30:50):
a person who wants to be a showrunner and a
writer in the business and you haven't watched that two
part documentary, do yourself a favor. Watch it because it
is a lot about his process, how he came to
do the things that he did on Sopranos, his journey
as a writer until he got to Sopranos.

Speaker 2 (31:03):
And then what he did and the.

Speaker 1 (31:05):
Struggles and the trials and tribulations of having to write
seasons over and over and over again. That had to
top the season before it, So I thought it was
a really excellent documentary. But anyway, in the first part
of the documentary, Edie Falco says, you know, or maybe
the second part, when she's talking about how the season
started to go along and get darker and darker and
tackle harder and harder edged topic, she said, we did

(31:26):
this at a time when we didn't need trigger warnings,
and I'm so sorry. I'm so tired of trigger warnings.
In essence said because these things are supposed to make
you feel uncomfortable.

Speaker 2 (31:36):
They're supposed to make you confront things.

Speaker 1 (31:38):
They're supposed to make you think, and supposed to make
you talk with people around you about what the meaning
of this stuff is and make you stop for a
second and take a look at things. So, you know,
I love that, and I really appreciated that about the Sopranos,
because it did, it always did, And I hope that
comes back this idea that we have to be really
soft with everybody and we can't go too deep in

(32:00):
these topics because you know, snowflakes are gonna get mad
on both sides of the aisle, all sides of whatever
issle you want to look at. Snowflakes are gonna get mad.
You don't go you know, you know, you only talked
about it like this mantra. You didn't talk about it enough.
And it's like, no, let's talk about it. Let's explore
the issue within the context.

Speaker 2 (32:17):
Let's be brave, let's be bold, and let's do it correctly,
because here's the truth of the matter.

Speaker 1 (32:21):
They tried to woke. Fuck, that's my term. They tried
to uh anti say, they tried to anti woke fuck
X Men ninety seven before it came out, all these channels.

Speaker 2 (32:31):
Try to do it. Oh my god, Oh my god.
They brut into trans character. My life is over. Oh
my god. They're doing interracial romances. Oh my god, they're
real all this bullshit right because it was a diverse cast.
It's not the it's not the original cast. And it's like, oh,
they're looking and they're doing this. What happened the show

(32:51):
came out was.

Speaker 1 (32:52):
Excellently written, excellently acted, and excellenty constructed. And when you
do that, all the haters have no choice but to
shut the fuck up because people look through them people
look through it, through their bullshit criticisms and go like, well,
the fucking thing was amazing, So what are you crying about?

Speaker 2 (33:08):
You know?

Speaker 1 (33:08):
And so that's the thing that you got to look
at here. So it's a challenge. I'm not saying it
isn't a challenge, but I think you, as a studio
and as creators, you got to rise to the challenge.

Speaker 2 (33:18):
You got to step up. I'll go.

Speaker 1 (33:19):
You know what, I know that these anti woke fuckers
are sitting out there just waiting to make money off
my shit because they can't create anything, and they've got
to go attack things that are created.

Speaker 2 (33:28):
So I've got to make sure that I got.

Speaker 1 (33:30):
To bring my a game with everything that should motivate
you as a creator to do your best work.

Speaker 2 (33:35):
You know it does.

Speaker 1 (33:36):
You don't give credit to them for motivating you, but
it should motivate you, you know. And so I hope that
happens with season two because I love season one, and
I know Bo's got those accusations and Bo's got those
things that went down, and I listen, I'm not trying
to undercut any of that or remove the importance of
significance of that or the honestly the implications of that.
But I also know that that season was excellent, and

(33:59):
it was guts and the way it approached racism and
the way to approached genocide, in the way that approached
so othering people, the way to approach so many things politics,
global politics. All of that was explored so well with
excellent writing and excellent performances from all the actors in
X Men ninety seven. So I hope they carry the
mantel because I tell you right now, I will be

(34:19):
the first person in line to skewer the fuck out
of season two.

Speaker 2 (34:23):
If it doesn't do that, I will absolutely eviscerate season
two if it doesn't do that, because that'll be Disney
going back to their old tricks, just like they did
in Falcon and Winter Soldier, just like they didn't Captain
America four, where they try to play it safe so
it don't hurt anybody's feelings. We're going to just lightly
touch on.

Speaker 1 (34:40):
Racis, lightly trip through the daises of racism and then
jump the fuck on out, or lightly tap into sexism
and jump the fuck out. And it's like, no, man,
if you're gonna bring it up, bring it up and
talk about it or don't bring it up at all.

Speaker 2 (34:54):
It's one of the two.

Speaker 1 (34:55):
To be honest, in my opinion, you got to really
do the issue justice or don't it up at all.
Because I've got a million projects I can watch that
are lifetime approaches to racism or sexism, and I don't.

Speaker 2 (35:06):
Need to watch it if you're not going to fully
do it. So just making it clear. All right, let's
see here. What else? What's up?

Speaker 1 (35:15):
Fiona, George, how are you hello? Great to see you
like that, Avatar, Thank you very much. Thanks to the
two super chats that have come in. I appreciate it,
you know, sending you love, sending your support as we
go along here on the show. As we wrap up
this Marvel section of the show, what do you think?

Speaker 2 (35:29):
Oh my god, thirty five minutes on more Jesus Christ,
all right, give me your thoughts on Marvel. What do
you think of the presentations? What are you think going
the news?

Speaker 1 (35:36):
I saw my brother Josh at Denim Nerds asking if
people are really that excited about it.

Speaker 2 (35:40):
I liked it. I'm excited.

Speaker 1 (35:42):
I wouldn't say I'm excited over the moon, but I certainly,
I certainly would say that I'm looking forward to seeing
what they're going to do and maybe just take a
little bit of a step back. Getting these things right
builds up the momentum before we you know, as we
moved to Spider Man, moved to Doomsday and Secret Wars,
and possibly move to X Men, as we announced on
Hot Mic after after Secret Wars, so which I had

(36:08):
kind of said already, what a year ago when I
broke the Punisher Hulk being in Spidy Wellox in January,
I broke the Hulk, Punisher and thing in Spider Man
for I also said that the X Men film was
going to be coming right after Secret Wars. I had
heard three months. Jeff put it in five months, so
we will see.

Speaker 2 (36:28):
All right, let's move on.

Speaker 1 (36:31):
We will get to your questions in a little bit,
but let's move on to the controversy going on on
Peacemaker season two, the finale. This, let's get into the weeds, everybody,
let's get into the juiciness. We're not going to review
the show because if you want to see the review
for the episode, that is up on the geek Buddies
channel or sorry, the geek Buddies show. It is up

(36:52):
on this channel or on our podcast feed and you
can listen to our thoughts on Chris and what happened
to him and where he ended up at the end,
and also the relationship with Harcourt. We're all left us
and Hardcourt herself her journey throughout this episode. But what
I want to talk about here is what has happened
in the fandom since this show came out, since this

(37:15):
episode dropped. You know, I feel like we had some
I think I felt like we did justice to that episode.
We highlighted on the geek buddies, what worked and what
didn't work.

Speaker 2 (37:24):
We were fair on both sides. You know. I was
a little more harder.

Speaker 1 (37:27):
On the episode than Michael or Shannon, But Michael and
Shannon pointed out good stuff that I had kind of
had not looked at or had to concede, and they
of course had point out criticisms and then also saw
some of my criticisms as well. So I thought we
did a great job breaking down that episode and being fair.
Like I think that's the most important thing is being

(37:48):
fair in a review, because you want people to be
able to trust that your review is honest and not
agenda driven. I think sometimes people get some reviewers get
caught up agenda driving their review, like I've got to
say this about this because I believe in this and
I want to use this platform and use this project

(38:09):
or this piece of art to reaffirm my points of
views on things. I see that all the time now
in the one battle after another reviews, everyone's like, oh,
this is left leaning, blah blah blah, and it's like
it isn't really. Actually, it shows that both sides are
utter dufices, and the film is really about focusing on

(38:29):
a daughter coming back to her father and appreciating her
father and her father stepping up after years of kind
of just getting soft and getting lazy and not being
vigilant about what can happen.

Speaker 2 (38:40):
And so for me, that's why I've seen the movie
four times.

Speaker 1 (38:42):
But you know, people get caught up in their agendas
and what they want to push, which we'll talk about
in a little bit.

Speaker 2 (38:47):
But here are some of the tweets that have kind of.

Speaker 1 (38:52):
Just shocked me in some of their responses because there's
such a I'm gonna say this is a little bit
of like there's a kind of denigration of people's opinions
on this that if you don't feel the same way
as I do. Then you got this all wrong, and
I think that's toxic as fuck, to be honest with you.
And I'm not saying these people are toxic as fuck,
but I mean these takes in what they're saying about

(39:14):
people like look at this Moonlight Warrior, who've gone back
and forth with many times. He's followed me, unfollowed me,
followed me, unfollowed me. But he says, if you think
that the Peacemaker season two finale was quote a nothing burger,
just come out and say you wanted mindless cameos and
nothing else, which.

Speaker 2 (39:29):
I think is I mean, I think people can I
disagree that it's a nothing burger. I will.

Speaker 1 (39:35):
I will concede on that point with Moonlight Warrior, so
I get where he's coming from. But I also think
a majority of people don't feel that way about this episode.
They just wanted something more, and they felt like, just
like we did on The Geek Buddies, that the scenes
themselves were well performed, well acted, with genuine emotion between
the characters.

Speaker 2 (39:54):
However, the way they built.

Speaker 1 (39:56):
To these scenes wasn't as effective as we wanted it
to be, so that those those scenes which had power
could have had even more oomph and power and had
us crying. Now, some of you did like it, and
some of you cried through those scenes, So not taking
that away. It's just that I felt the be personally
the construction of them leading to that moment didn't quite work.

Speaker 2 (40:15):
Those moments in Quo.

Speaker 1 (40:17):
David Obia, everyone's dunking on Peacemaker finale. No, everyone isn't,
because not a lot of happened. No, but I think
it's ballsy to double down on the very moving and
effective character oric rather than build up to another CGI fight.
Fans moment, it's predictable, and they moan when it's different. Yeah, No,
fans moan when they're not satisfied. No one was moaning

(40:39):
about X Men ninety seven, as I just brought it
up right, because they were satisfied. No one was moaning
about season one piece Maker because they were satisfied because
the emotion was done well, it was led to well,
was constructed well. So I think these are a lot
of gas landing straw man arguments. Peace Maker season two

(41:00):
doesn't have some big, huge action sequence are a major
DCMA and no death to the team, But what it
has is an hour of the sweetest, most captivating, beauly
crafted moments of the entire show. And that's all satisfaction
on me. This scene fucking rocks. I actually didn't think
that scene rocked. And I'll tell you what the scene
where they because first of all, Vigilante tasers him. They're

(41:20):
holding Chris against his will in that room, and then
they're giving their emotions to They are emotion dumping on
Chris right, And I think this is where the scene
itself is a little like you know, Daniel Brooks who
acted the fuck out of.

Speaker 2 (41:36):
That scene and her scene with her with her girlfriend,
like she's great, but she's just like, you need to
do this because we can't do it without you, Like
we need you without you, it doesn't work. You taught
me to be this, You taught me to do that.

Speaker 1 (41:51):
It's like Chris is on his own journey. Man, Why
isn't Chris allowed to go on his own journey? Why
isn't Chris allowed to separate himself in the group for
a little bit? Like I think that would have been balls,
really ballsy and honest character work. And what does he
say on an honest uh.

Speaker 2 (42:11):
Uh?

Speaker 1 (42:12):
Grafted knowing it was the word it was looking at
very moving and oh yeah, I think it would have
been very moving and effective character work if we had
had Chris go, you know what, I can't do this anymore.
I just saw my second father get killed in essence
all or my father get killed all over again. You
almost killed my brother. I saw you guys stabbing my

(42:32):
brother to death. Now it's not my actual brother, but
it is my brother. And I let out this scream
from deep in the pit of my stomach. And then
like days later, after I've rejected you coming to the prison,
we're gonna sit in a hotel room and we're gonna
have a conversation. In one conversation, I'm happy, Go lucky Chris,

(42:52):
who's joining checkmate and solving it, you know, being part
of that. This is where I thought that they took
a cheap route out of stuff that they had presented.
It was very if I may say this, it was
very Marvel TV show ish to first of all go
to Earth acts and then do nothing with the information
they found out about on Earth X, and then with
Chris be.

Speaker 2 (43:13):
Like, well, you need to be part of our crew.
Without our crew, you know, without you and our crew,
nothing you work. We can't make it work.

Speaker 1 (43:19):
So it's like, I know you're dealing with your trauma,
but come be a part of our crew because we
need you to do what we need to do. And
so I know some of you be going well not
but it was sweet.

Speaker 2 (43:29):
Yes, it was well acted. It was beautifully well acted.

Speaker 1 (43:33):
It was emotional, and those actors are all in the room,
are all good and delivered some really powerful moments even
afterwards at the end, which I've gotta be honest with you,
the hardcourt thing at the end was a little weird
for me too, because they walk out and she said,
and he's like, did it mean anything? Didn't mean So
she's part of the group that's trying to bring him back,

(43:55):
yet she's not going to tell him right off the
bat that it meant something to He's gonna ask her
over and over again, like, weren't you just in the
hotel room trying to convince me to be.

Speaker 2 (44:06):
A part of your crew.

Speaker 1 (44:08):
You know that this is a question I've been asking
you the whole fucking season. Yet you're gonna hold out
on me still, even after this whole scene where you
guys talk about your emotions and how much I've grown
and how much you appreciate.

Speaker 2 (44:20):
Me to be friends with you.

Speaker 1 (44:21):
You're still gonna make you ask you a couple of
times whether it was when it meant anything or not,
and then he's gonna react with the whole yeah kind
of excitement thing right after Again, this is incongruous to
me emotionally, the fact that he had just watched his
father die again, his friend stabbed the fuck out of Chris,
sorry out of his brother, and he didn't see hardcore.

Speaker 2 (44:43):
Pull a gun and almost shoot him in the head.

Speaker 1 (44:45):
That would have sent him into a deep, another deep
trauma if she, if she had accomplished the goal of
killing kids, murdering Keith, it would have sent him into
so again, I think you have to honor the things
you present. That was my issue with it. Honor the
things you present. Do not go the scooby to route,
do not go the easy route of the lifetime route.

Speaker 2 (45:03):
Honor what you present.

Speaker 1 (45:05):
And if you want to talk about emotions and weight
and heaviness and empathy and all these kinds of things,
I agree with you. The performances certainly convey emotion and
empathy and strong connection. The construction leading up to it,
I thought, was where the show fell apart from me
and so, uh, it's it's called growth. Ask us how

(45:31):
this kind of sarcastic stuff that I see going on
here from some of the people who were posting stuff,
you know, and so and then I also saw, and
I got to say this, some of the people saying
things like, well, you know what they say, Oh, oh,
you just wanted suits, or you just wanted cameos, or
you just wanted action sequences. And look, I'm not saying
there aren't a minority of people and a minority of

(45:52):
people who wanted suits or wanted cameos or wanted action sequences.
I'm sure there have been people bitching about it, but
I've only ever seen I've only seen the last couple
of days. It's the small minority of people complaining about
it not having suits or cameos or an action sequence.

(46:13):
I don't think you need any of those to make
a show work. But you can't deny that God was
hyping up episode eight. And I get it. For the
comic book nerds, they're like, Salvation, this is amazing. I
totally get it. But I'll guarantee you ninety percent of
the people watching it did not get that that was
a big deal at all, did not get the creation

(46:35):
of Checkmate being a big deal at all. So the
reveals were great for the ten percent of the comic
book nerds who were watching your show. But the reality
is that you have a responsibility to the casuals when
you're making a show to make sure they get what
you're doing, and if you hype it up that it's

(46:56):
the massive reveals. Right, Let's eliminate word cameo, because there's
arguments about whether he was intimating there were big cameos
in episode six or cameos in episode eight. I don't
want to go into the argument of semantics on that
James was hyping up a season, right, but I will
say that if you're gonna say massive reveals and ninety

(47:16):
percent of the audience isn't gonna fucking get it or
get the importance of it, then I did. Then I
do think you did a disservice in hyping up the season,
you know, And so I think that's what people are
upset about is that he seemed to promise this, but
it wasn't a thing that people or wasn't things that
people were necessarily like wow or no, they.

Speaker 2 (47:36):
Weren't like wow.

Speaker 1 (47:37):
They were more just like, uh, okay, all right, I
guess that means something, you know. And then after having
said that these episodes or these projects are not connected,
he made them connected.

Speaker 2 (47:50):
And again this is where I have my problem with James.

Speaker 1 (47:52):
And I know some of you're gonna be upset about this,
but he talks out of both sides of his mouth.
You know, when it's convenient to say stuff shouldn't be connected,
it's not connected. You don't have to watch Superman to
watch the show. Well here's my reveal of Lex Luthor
in episode six. Well how does that carry waite? If
I haven't watched Superman? How does bring in Happerson or

(48:13):
Happerson whatever his name is to go and and the
whole Scooby Dooo Lex Luthor crew, which god, I.

Speaker 2 (48:18):
Hate that whole Lex Luthor.

Speaker 1 (48:19):
I just want him Toll just die a fiery death
figuratively not literally.

Speaker 2 (48:25):
How do you get that? Then?

Speaker 1 (48:29):
Being a part of the last three episodes a big
deal if you haven't watched Superman, right, Like, that's important.
It's not like a wink in a nod cameo. That's
actually a big deal to bring them in. And so
to me, I thought that was a bit of a lie.
And then of course James afterwards said, well, you know,
you got to walk the line between both. You don't
have to just don't fucking say anything, like we've been

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saying over and over again, just don't say anything, you know.

Speaker 2 (48:53):
And I wish he would listen to himself more.

Speaker 1 (48:55):
And then I gotta say, I do find it odd
that that TCHR article came out and he said, how like, well,
you know, I was going to end it before the
big reveal of Salvation. I was going to end it
happy when they're walking away they've built checkmate.

Speaker 2 (49:08):
But it was Peter Saffron who.

Speaker 1 (49:10):
Wanted to add this what now is a controversial ending,
and I don't think it's his intention to throw Safford
under the bus, but it certainly can be read that way,
and I've seen quite a few people reading it that way,
that that article came out right after the drama and
controversy of the finale, where he's essentially putting it on
Peter Saffren, that it was Saffren's idea to do Salvation

(49:34):
and so and look, James wrote it. James, so he's
a part of it. I don't think he can escape blame.
But I think it's interesting to the first time we
hear about Peter Saffron being involved in anything with Peacemaker,
even though we know he's the co head, but being credited,
I guess with anything is like this controversial ending. So
again I find that to be a little weird. With
James his product, for the most part, I almost always

(49:57):
enjoy although we are building a pattern here, right, Like
that end in your Creature Commandos did not hit the
did not stick the landing for a lot of people,
and this ending for Peace Magazines and two didn't stick
the landing for a lot of people.

Speaker 2 (50:09):
So this is interesting when you look at it.

Speaker 1 (50:11):
Because I thought his Peace Magacy's one finale was incredible,
and not because of the action sequence, but because of
what Chris is going through in that whole episode that
leads us to that moment where he is like essentially
rejecting the Justice League and their help, you know, And
so that was very satisfying. The action was irrelevant to
the show. It's to the finale itself. It was the story,

(50:32):
the construction of the story and the storyline.

Speaker 2 (50:34):
And the emotions, so you know.

Speaker 1 (50:36):
So I just think some people are pushing these this
nonsense out there about like, oh, you know, people are
just obsessed with suits and cameos, and some people were
saying like, but I question your ability, your literary ability.

Speaker 2 (50:49):
If you don't get what James is going for.

Speaker 1 (50:51):
I think a lot of people are adding head cannon,
and head canon is not real cannon. All right, if
you look at somebody, go, well, clearly he's saying this. No,
he fucking isn't saying it clearly, because not everybody got it,
so clearly it wasn't. And so I just think some
people are being oh, what's the word I want to
look for?

Speaker 2 (51:13):
I know I don't.

Speaker 1 (51:16):
Pushing false gaslighting, I guess is the word I would
look for.

Speaker 2 (51:19):
They are purposely goad.

Speaker 1 (51:21):
They know they're not telling the full truth about this,
but they're purposely gaslighting for attention to insult it. And
I just think it's all a shame because it just
becomes we can't just have a disagreement about the merits
of a show. It has to be about, oh, you
have an agenda or you have a point of view
that is antithical to mind. So I must now assume

(51:44):
that you're being toxic. And I think that's the danger
of this whole thing. It's like everything we can never
just have a disagreement anymore.

Speaker 2 (51:50):
Now it's like.

Speaker 1 (51:52):
You hate it because you don't understand ampathy and you
don't get relationships and oh, oh god forbid, there is
an action and it's like that's all just nonsense, right
when you can just say, well, okay, let me hear
your points of views on this. Let me see what
you think didn't work. Okay, I disagree. I actually think
it did work. Fine, let me hear what you think worked.
Oh I disagree it didn't work.

Speaker 2 (52:13):
Okay. Guess what, we're both the same people.

Speaker 1 (52:15):
We came in as we came into this discussion, and
we walk out and we get to enjoy and appreciate
the show and defend our feelings about the show, because
I think defending your feelings is another way to really
feel confident that your point of view on the show
is what you really think about the show.

Speaker 2 (52:32):
Now, there's nothing wrong.

Speaker 1 (52:32):
With that, but too of who we were caught up in,
like you know, attacking people personally and all this kind
of stuff, and it just just gets exhausting. We don't
ever get to have like legitimate conversations. It always evolves
into toxicity. Connor says, anytime you criticize gun you get
told to stick to Marvel.

Speaker 2 (52:54):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (52:54):
I know people don't like James Gunn being being criticized,
and they don't think they're part of a cult, you know,
which I think is It's kind of funny to me.
If you think one person could do no wrong, then
you are in a cult. It's really that simple. Everyone
is flawed, everyone makes mistakes, everyone fucks up everyone, And

(53:17):
if you think this person's shit doesn't stake or they
walk on water, you're in the cult of that person.

Speaker 2 (53:23):
It's that simple. Look, I love Tom Cruise.

Speaker 1 (53:27):
I worship at the altar of Tom Cruise, but his
scientology stuff bothers the fuck out of me. It really does.
It's really hard for me to fully indulge in my
appreciation of Tom. And I remember when Tom was losing
his mind, jumping on couches and slapping Matt Lower's notebook
and things of that nature, or being you know, kind
of argumentative with Matt Lower and dismissive and condescending. I

(53:51):
hated that, like I hated that. I'm like, what are
you doing? But I was willing to say it was
terrible as much as I love Tom Cruise. So you've
got to always be aware of this if you're if
anybody say anything negative about someone about a creator offends you,
especially you know, because no one is perfect and all creators.

Speaker 2 (54:11):
Have done negative things.

Speaker 1 (54:12):
A Kura Kurusaw was one of my favorite directors ever,
if not my favorite director ever, this side of orson Wealth.

Speaker 2 (54:17):
And guess what.

Speaker 1 (54:18):
There are films of his that don't work, and there
are films of his that do work, and I will
call them out when they work and when they don't work,
because I don't believe in that cult worship. I wish
we could destroy celebrity worship once and for all.

Speaker 2 (54:31):
And the worst is when you see I'm probably gonna
get in trouble.

Speaker 1 (54:37):
But the worst is when you see these people who
are dependent, who went to the premiere or you know,
had him on a junket and like they're like defending
everything he did in this finale and you're like, come on,
so because they want to maintain that contact, in that connection.

Speaker 2 (54:55):
So it just get it gets frustrating.

Speaker 1 (54:58):
But look, we're moving from it, we're moving away from it,
and we're gonna have Supergirl coming up, which looks like
looks like a blast. We're gonna have Playface coming up,
which I can't wait to see. I want to see
if I like it or now. The horror aspect of
a DC Universe character is gonna be fascinating. And then
we've got Lanterns coming up, which I'm very very much
looking forward to as.

Speaker 2 (55:19):
An HBO show.

Speaker 1 (55:19):
But I feel like Gun didn't have much to do
with Lanterns, uh and I don't know how much he
had to do with Well, and he probably has a
lot to do with Clayface and.

Speaker 2 (55:31):
Supergirl.

Speaker 1 (55:31):
But I think Lanterns is gonna be where you're going
to see the potential. I think Lanterns could be like
the fucking uh and or of the DC universe, and
that could be really interesting to see if they open
the door to that.

Speaker 2 (55:42):
So yeah, all right, so that's my thoughts on it.

Speaker 1 (55:47):
I wish we could just have conversations and not devolve
into accusing other people of somehow being media illiterate or
literary illiterate because they don't get what James going when
it's very clear what James was going for.

Speaker 2 (56:00):
It's not that hard. It wasn't that groundbreak, your artistically.

Speaker 1 (56:04):
Unique what he was going for, And I want to
give him credit that I appreciated that he went for
mental health stuff, he went for trauma and PTSD. He
went for a character like Harcourt who was punishing herself
for her pain and her guilt on herself.

Speaker 2 (56:23):
Right.

Speaker 1 (56:24):
The thing is when you present those things, because those
are very layered, nuanced and complex issues, to present them
as something that can be easily gotten over in a
conversation or an opening of the door to emotions, I
think it's not being honest with the audience, you know,
And I think that's where the show fell apart in
trying to achieve its goals. Again, both things can be true.

(56:47):
Those scenes can be really well acted, the hotel room scene,
the scene with Atibayo and her girlfriend, the scene with
Hardcourt and Chris when he reveals when she reveals how
much it meant to her, even the flashback sequences. Those
scenes can be really really well acted with genuine emotion
between the actors.

Speaker 2 (57:07):
But when you're talking about leading to.

Speaker 1 (57:08):
Those scenes and then construction of the storylines leading to
those scenes, that's where I think the show fell apart
and wasn't as strong. So then when we got to
those scenes. You could understand objectively bit ejectively what was
happening and subjectively what was happening. But you know, they
didn't carry the oomph that they could have carried if
they'd gotten it right. All right, I want to stop

(57:30):
for a second and do a little plugging for stuff
that's going on with on all my shows and channels.
And the first thing I want to do, if you
guys have missed this, my interview with Jason Clark is
up on the channel now. Some of you may have
watched the first two episodes that have dropped of the
Last Frontier on Apple TV Plus. But I want to

(57:51):
plug my interview with Jason because I was very fortunate
to get ten minutes with him. They only selected a
few people to get ten minutes with him. Everyone else
got a five minute junk of time. They selected me
to do ten minutes with him. He was looking to
do longer form content, so I was very humbled and
blessed that he was willing to sit down with me,
and we had a fantastic conversations about ten and a

(58:12):
half minutes, talking about the show, talking about his process,
talking about his career, and so if you haven't watched it.
I would like you all to watch it and give
it some views so that more Apple TV people will
see that and be and will want to come on
and be interviewed by me on my channel because I
love doing interviews.

Speaker 2 (58:31):
It's really what I enjoy doing the most. Of everything
I do.

Speaker 1 (58:34):
Interviews are the most because I'm always fascinated by people.
I love to talk to people, love to ask them
questions and hear their points of views on things. You
guys know, from way back when when I did Deep
Cut on Collider, that was one of my favorite things
I ever did on Collider.

Speaker 2 (58:45):
Created on my own, built it on my pitched it
on my own.

Speaker 1 (58:48):
The production team obviously did a great job editing it,
but like sitting down with these amazing directors and actors
and creators and producers and writers and asking them about
their process and asking them about their lives, how they
achieved the things they achieved. I think all that was
a lot of fun. And that's where I think I
thrived the most as a host.

Speaker 2 (59:07):
You know.

Speaker 1 (59:07):
So I hope you guys give give it a watch
because I really enjoyed doing it. The other thing is
that you guys know, I host another show called The
Cineples I co hosted with my brother Steve morris Well.

Speaker 2 (59:18):
This past weekend.

Speaker 1 (59:19):
This past Friday, we dropped episode one of our breakdown
of Scarface nineteen eighty three.

Speaker 2 (59:25):
Scarface.

Speaker 1 (59:26):
It is up wherever you download podcasts thus Cinephiles. We've
been doing the show for almost ten years. This is
our four hundred and fifty first episode, our tenth season
of the show, and we thought we'd kick it off
with a hell of a film in nineteen eighty three, Scarface,
the remake of the nineteen thirty two film of Course,
with Paul Mooney, directed by Brian de Palma. This film,

(59:46):
and you know, we we're probably going to do that
thing over three parts, and the first part is about
two hours, and we do a lot of pre production
talking about how they how this all came together, how
the actors were cast, what the process was like, and
then we get into about the first thirty to forty
five minutes of the movie. Next part will be about
the next hour of the movie, and then the final
part would be the final minutes of the film, and

(01:00:07):
then what the legacy of the film and the ramifications
of the film are.

Speaker 2 (01:00:10):
So I'm very proud of that podcast that I do.

Speaker 1 (01:00:14):
We get about one hundred and fifty to two hundred
thousand downloads a month on that show from a number
of people, and we break down great movies, fun movies,
movies we enjoy, and certainly Scarface is one of those
ones that we've been waiting to do for about two
or three years and it's finally here and I am
leading this one.

Speaker 2 (01:00:32):
I don't normally lead this one.

Speaker 1 (01:00:33):
Steve usually leads our show, but I'm leading this one
because this film is so so very important to me
and I think we generated a damn good episode. So
if you haven't watched or listened to that rather, I
highly recommend you all heading over to the cinephiles where
you download podcasts and listen to it, and I guarantee
you there'll be a number of films that you love

(01:00:54):
that we've talked about. And we've had some great guests.
Michael Vowel has been a guest. Winston A. Marshall was
a guest. Jay Washington was a guest. We did Black
Panther with those guys, which was a lot of fun.
Shannon McClung has been a guest on the Raiders of
the Lost Arc stuff. So we've had some great guests throughout.
Perry was a guest for Jurassic Park, Emma Fife was
a guest for Akida, and so we've had a lot

(01:01:16):
of people through the history of time beyond the show.
So and we've been even had Matt Nost he did
midnight run with us, so that was a blast.

Speaker 2 (01:01:25):
All right.

Speaker 1 (01:01:26):
So there you go, just a little plugging for the
stuff I do here on the Channel, on the Channel
and on other podcasts, so I would appreciate you all
giving some love to that stuff as well. Of course,
tomorrow I'll be on the Christian Harlove Show nine ampt.
Christian and I talking about stuff going over the box
office and other things going on.

Speaker 2 (01:01:41):
All right, let's get into my review of tron Aries.
This is a non spoiler review.

Speaker 1 (01:01:45):
I went to see it this morning, and I have
to say right off the bat that I liked the film,
but I didn't love the film, and it's was more
enjoyable than I thought it was going to be considering
some of the reviews I saw, I thought acting wise,

(01:02:08):
Jared Leto, I think he did an excellent job in
the role of Ares.

Speaker 2 (01:02:12):
There was a lot of.

Speaker 1 (01:02:13):
Emotion and dare I say soul soulfulness into how he
delivered his lines and the journey he was on as
this program that gets created by Evan Peter's character and
where it goes and it's design and essentially and they
call it out, they hang a lantern on it by

(01:02:34):
calling it the Pinocchio thing that he wants to be
a real boy. And I appreciated the journey he was
on and the pace with which he did this so
that when things happen as it rolls out, you're invested
in the character and what he's trying to achieve. And
so I thought he did an excellent job performance wise.

(01:02:56):
I thought Greta Lee was great. Really enjoyed her, although
I will say this one of the criticisms of the
film for me is that I felt they made her
too much of a passive passenger on the ride that
she is a part of. And I get it, she's
dealing with trauma, a loss of a family member, and
she is in charge of Encom, which is the company

(01:03:17):
that Jeff Bridges ran all the way back in the
beginning of the Tron story there in the first film,
but I would have she has active moments, but I
would have liked her to be a little more.

Speaker 2 (01:03:30):
In charge of stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:03:33):
But overall, I thought her performance was well for what
she was asked to do. I just would have liked
to for her to have pushed more chips into the
center of the table and had a little bit more
of an active part of everything. Now the finale, she
is more active in the finale, but leading up to
her being more active, we needed a stronger journey being

(01:03:55):
laid out for her because she's dealing with that trauma.
Why aren't we checking in with that trauma throughout the movie?
Why are we only checking in like every forty five minutes,
Like it's got to be checked in with So we
see her progressing learning how to deal with that trauma
and where she comes out on the other side, whereas
you show us where she comes out on the the side.
She has this critical moment of discovery, but you haven't

(01:04:18):
done the effect. You haven't effectively built to that moment
of discovery for it to have as much weight as
I wanted it to have her I thought it should have.

Speaker 2 (01:04:25):
Joni Turner Smith was excellent in the film as well.

Speaker 1 (01:04:27):
I thought she was damn good as the other program
that is on the side of Aris, and then eventually
she gets more power as the film goes along and
really does an excellent job.

Speaker 2 (01:04:40):
This is a phenomenal actress.

Speaker 1 (01:04:41):
Watching her in this film, I think even more so
that she should be the choice for Storm, and I
would need to hear the reasons why you don't think
she should be Storm. She carries the power, the weight,
the majesty, the nobility, the grease of Storm, and I
think she could nail it because there are mo in
this film where she really brings a powerful performance to

(01:05:05):
bear and you're left with like, WHOA, this is actually
so interesting. She comes off as much more formidable than
you Anticeley than you initially anticipate that she will be,
and I like that as an arc of a character.

Speaker 2 (01:05:18):
Right. I thought Evan Peters was fine.

Speaker 1 (01:05:22):
If I hadn't seen Boy Cavalier already an Alien Earth,
I don't think this performance would have felt like a copy.
But like watching Boy Cavalier do the Neapo baby tech
bro who is in love with the smell of his
own farts, I would have found this performance a bit
more interesting, But for me, it felt a bit more
like he was putting it on it didn't have the

(01:05:44):
weight that I felt it should have had.

Speaker 2 (01:05:45):
So for me, I found him to be a little
bit of the negative part of the movie, even though
I think he's a damn good actor. I loved him
in Marybeastown.

Speaker 1 (01:05:55):
I enjoyed him as Quicksilver, and even in the cameo
then not the episodes that he did in WandaVision, I
thought he was excellent as that characters.

Speaker 2 (01:06:05):
Well, he was a damn good actor. I just thought
in this there just didn't didn't bring.

Speaker 1 (01:06:10):
This didn't bring the right kind of unique performance for
a tech bro that you were looking for. Jillian Anderson
was good too, but again, Jillian Anderson is made to
be like someone who looks like she just took a
paycheck to be part of a big franchise film. The
stuff they give her to do is not much at all.
Just to come into it. If you occasionally lambaster her
son or to what do you ask? What are you doing?

(01:06:32):
Why are you doing this? Don't you see what's happening?
Why wouldn't you stop? You've got us all in trouble?
What the hell? Oh my god?

Speaker 2 (01:06:39):
Like that's basically what she did in the whole movie.

Speaker 1 (01:06:41):
It was frustrating to witness. But I did like the
direction of the film. I think that guy has got
a really good eye for what he's doing, and so
direction wise, I think the film was excellent. I think
the cinematography, and I want to say excellent, people misinterpreted.
I thought the cinematography was just jaw dropping and stunning.

(01:07:02):
The visuals of this stuff we have never seen before.
And I'm a huge like, I'm into this kind of tech,
new wavy design, and when they go from the new
design to the retro design that happens in the movie
when this dude shows up, I thought they did an
excellent job of that as well. I was actually like

(01:07:23):
a kid smiling like I was twelve or thirteen again
seeing the graphics and the look of the tech from.

Speaker 2 (01:07:31):
That time in the nineteen ages, I thought that was amazing. So,
but where the.

Speaker 1 (01:07:35):
Film falls apart and why I can only give the
film three and a half cowboy hats out of five
Cowboy hats is the story. The story wasn't strong enough.
Some of the writing I don't think. I think some
of the writing is saved by the level of actors
that you cast in the film.

Speaker 2 (01:07:50):
But like the character of Arturo Castro, who I like.

Speaker 1 (01:07:53):
I enjoyed his comedy show that he did, Latino comedy
show that he did. Well, he did all those different characters.
He's a very funny guy. But you don't you don't
do anything with them. You don't build up Oh it's
a friend. Okay, what's his role?

Speaker 2 (01:08:05):
We don't know. He's comic relief, that's his role. Well,
what more is there here? Right?

Speaker 1 (01:08:09):
Hasamanaj as well and his assistant, like I assume she's
an assistant. They're presented in convenient moments, but there's no
weight given to their characters.

Speaker 2 (01:08:19):
So when they.

Speaker 1 (01:08:20):
Do the things that they do, you're just like, oh, okay,
this is a plot point. They needed them to do this,
and they can get to the next thing. And I
think that's always a danger.

Speaker 2 (01:08:27):
With films like this is you've got to flesh again.
People get mad when I.

Speaker 1 (01:08:32):
Say this, But flesh out these characters so that we
can be more invested in the world, so when things happen,
they carry more weight and I can. And it's always
frustrating when I see movies or TV shows that just
don't understand that basic concept that is so important and
makes all the difference in the world. Honestly, in the
show Being Damn Good or Great or a film Being

(01:08:53):
Damn Good or Great, is like what you do with
the ensemble characters, the side characters, if you're going to give.

Speaker 2 (01:08:58):
Them important actions to do.

Speaker 1 (01:09:00):
I'm not saying the secretary that takes the coffee orders
in the film or in the TV show. I'm saying,
if you're going to lead to that person doing something
important that saves lives or that stops a certain thing
from happening, You've got to build up to that. Especially
if you're gonna give them a relationship with the main character.
I've got to understand what their relationship is. I got
understand where it comes from and what have you. But

(01:09:21):
you know, for the story issues and the script issues, and.

Speaker 2 (01:09:23):
There there are a few because just the way they
construct the story, just the way they have convenient things
like these, the stuff was going on like it would
be a much bigger deal the way they play it
out in the movie than what we see in the movie.

Speaker 1 (01:09:36):
Although the police the military get involved for show, which
I thought was nice to have a little bit of
realism there, I think just some of the story beats
themselves seemed very lightweight, and they kind of run through
certain moments that I think they should have sat in
a little bit longer to really get the audience to
understand what was going on and feel the weight of that.

(01:09:56):
And I thought that was a negative thing overall, But
and I think they they blew it in trying to
talk about the idea of technology run Amock, what happens
when there's an unfaithful leader or an unreliable leader rather
in charge of technology, what it can lead to. I mean,

(01:10:16):
elon all those Peter teel all these Ellison, all these
people like they revert to their petty, misguided conspiracy theory,
love and nonsense, and they use their tech to push
that right. And that's in essence what the film is
kind of commenting on. Through the character of Dillinger, which
is Evan Peter's character, who is the grandson of the

(01:10:39):
original David Warner Dillinger character in the first movie, they
present that stuff, but they don't really explore it. And
again I think it's important. I you're going to present concepts,
you've got to explore the dangers of what technology, what
can happen with technology? Run Amook, not just show us
the consequences, but actually see what is happening than the

(01:11:00):
characters and what's going down. They didn't do that as
well and effectively as I thought they could. Plus I
wanted more as well, acting as well acted as Jared
Leto's character was, and I thought it was I wanted
more with his journey of trying to become this thing?
Why did you want to become this thing? What is
driving you come this thing? You're presented a program constantly
questioning right off the bat. It should progress to the

(01:11:21):
point where you start to question, and the fact that
you're questioning from the beginning I think kind of undercuts
the journey in a lot of ways. And I thought
that didn't work for the movie overall. And this scene
was a lot of fun, a fun cameo, but again
it was just a plot device instead of a forum
for having a legitimate conversation that went back and forth
with different points of views and questions and comments and commentary.

(01:11:44):
It just was like, Oh, let's get to the next thing.
And so that's where I thought the film kind of
lost its power. And again, this is Disney presenting these
concepts but not really diving into these concepts, and that
is so frustrating because I thought this film had the
potential to be the best installment in Tron.

Speaker 2 (01:12:02):
I mean, all the bones were there.

Speaker 1 (01:12:04):
I just think they stripped so much of the flesh
off that all some of those scenes, all you had
was bare bones. And that was frustrating because I think
there could have been much more. This film could have
been much more poignant if it had dove into those
concepts a little bit more, explored those and challenged the
characters with the concepts in those in those situations. So,

(01:12:26):
as I said three and a half stars out of
five stars, I definitely still think if you're a Tron person,
you should go see it. And I'll say this the
thing I see some people acting in their reviews like
this film shot their dog, Like let's get something straight.
None of those Tron films have been excellent. None of them, okay,

(01:12:47):
the previous two. None even the even the animated series,
which I liked, had its issues. What people need to understand,
And this occurred to me as I was thinking about
it in the credit in the end credits, was the
reason we love this franchise is.

Speaker 2 (01:13:02):
Because it's imperfect, is because it's not great.

Speaker 1 (01:13:06):
There is something about the franchise itself, that it presents
these concepts, It challenges us with technology, it explores this
like because in the second one it was all about
a father and son and a father banning his son
to be obsessed with his work, what happens to his son,
and about forgiveness and about closure? Right, this film is

(01:13:26):
also about closure in a way, but they don't.

Speaker 2 (01:13:30):
Dive into it enough.

Speaker 1 (01:13:32):
But the reasons we come back to this franchise and
I don't know if there'll be another installment.

Speaker 2 (01:13:36):
I can't imagine they we'll look into the box. All
this is because it's imperfect.

Speaker 1 (01:13:41):
So when you try to act like the first Tron
and the Second Tron with these amazing fucking films and
then the third film comes out isn't great, I think
you're being a little unfaithful or you're having selective amnesia,
are convenient amnesia about how Tron Legacy and the Original
Tron are not as strong of films as as you think.

(01:14:03):
So just throwing that out there, and that's my two
cents on that three and a half out.

Speaker 2 (01:14:08):
Of five cowboy hats.

Speaker 1 (01:14:09):
I would have liked to be a little bit higher,
but I can't ignore the story issues, and I can't
ignore some of the dialogue that goes on in there
and the potential wasted to explore these themes of technology more,
these themes of trauma and closure and moving on and
embracing life instead of embracing death, quitting instead of staying
the course and fighting through the pain. Like, there's more

(01:14:30):
what it means to be human, because I mean, that's
a massive one that wasn't explored. It should have been
explored so much more effectively in the film. I think
that would have been much more interesting for sure. So
there's my thoughts on it. Oh and one last plug.
I didn't say this earlier. The geek Buddies were the
guests of FM DeMarco. He's got a Tuesday morning podcast

(01:14:52):
that's out there, and we explored the Tron movies. Obviously
we hadn't seen ares, but we talked about the trailer.
But we explored the Tron movies and talked about this series.
It's all the franchise itself. So if you want to
listen to me, Mike and Shannon talking with writer and
animated animation guru FM DeMarco on his new podcasts, feel
free to find that out where We download podcasts and.

Speaker 2 (01:15:13):
Have a lot of fun with that. All right, let's
see what else do I want to Oh yes, let's
get into the tribute fig Thanks to for the stream
Lab super chats everybody, we'll be answering them shortly. Let's
talk about this.

Speaker 1 (01:15:26):
Sadly, sadly, sad Diane Keaton has passed on at the
age of seventy nine years old. This is a woman
that I remember watching in The Godfather as Kay. I
remember watching her as Any in.

Speaker 2 (01:15:40):
Any Hole in any Hall, and I even remember Baby
Boom being this like really groundbreaking type of film back
in the eighties when women were working, and this exploration
of women working and having kids and can they have
it all? It's a really ground baking movie in that way.

Speaker 1 (01:15:56):
But of course people know her for The Godfather, for
Annie Hall, but also for films that came later, the
Nancy Meyers stuff and the Refron stuff and what Whitney
Cummings pointed out. Comedian Whitney Cummings pointed out, and I
saw quite a lot of women point out as well,
is her style, her being this kind of fashion icon,
this style icon as well, showing women that they could

(01:16:19):
look a certain way and dress a certain way that
had kind of a style to it that was more
comfortable for women who gravitated to this kind of look.
So I think she should be she should get credit
for that as well. But a wonderful actress who did
so many incredible films won the Academy Award for Annie Hall,

(01:16:48):
and she talked about and this is a good thing
to bring up for some of you who may be
struggling with your bodies. I know, you know, I'm still
even though I've lost, like with fifty pounds now, they're
still kind of in the mentality of like, well do
I still do I look good? Or do I need
to drop more? Like these things that go on. We
all struggle with that body stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:17:06):
She talked about this as she got older, that she
kind of let go of all these conversations about her
body and her insecurities and are worrying about aging.

Speaker 1 (01:17:15):
She said, I feel that wrong can be right. It
can be right in a lot of ways. So all
those things that you're disappointed with in yourself can work
for you. And I thought that was a really powerful thing.
You You know, some of you are young who watched
me and listen to me, And the thing is when
you get older, you realize, like the things that are
you think are flaws are actually things that people love
about you. And it's not saying that you can't you

(01:17:36):
shouldn't work on yourself, you shouldn't try to correct those things,
but those things are the things that people love about you,
you know, the way you look or the you know
things that you are really hard on yourself about, like oh,
I got a freckle here, or my one breast is
bigger than the other, or my hand my arm is
longer than or any number of things that we all
come up with because no one looks at our body
more than we do, and so we tend to be

(01:17:59):
critical of ourselves in harder, harsher ways because we know
we have visions of what our bodies should look like
and want to look like, and especially as you get older,
like the body that you had in your twenties is
not the body you're going to have in your sixties, fifties, seventies, whatever,
you know, and so how do you reckon with that?
And I think what you're seeing now all these weight
loss drugs and everybody being obsessed with those weight loss drugs,

(01:18:23):
which I get for people who have legitimate need for
the weight loss drugs like diabetes, but like no judgment,
but for the people who are taking it for vanity,
as we're seeing almost all of Hollywood do. They're going
for the emaciated look, which is so ironic because you
are the same people that have been complaining about body
shaming in Hollywood and how people have an unrealistic expectation. Well,

(01:18:46):
you can't say that and then participate in the pushing
of the narrative by going on those weight loss drugs.

Speaker 2 (01:18:54):
So you can look completely emaciated and bone thin. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:18:59):
True, there's one or the other, you know, And so
to me, I think that's the problem with those there's
a natural way to do it. I simply changed my diet.
I didn't run, I haven't lifted one weight, I haven't
walked one mile consistently, you know, I did none of that.
I just simply changed my diet and stuck to it.

(01:19:20):
That's it, that's all. I had lost fifty pounds doing that,
you know, And so it is possible. Not everybody's the same, obviously,
And I'm not judging people that struggle with their weight.
I'm just saying there are avenues other than doing this,
but I think the thing that brings that about is
that people have a negative opinion of their body they
have a hard time accepting.

Speaker 2 (01:19:40):
So I liked that.

Speaker 1 (01:19:41):
Diane Keaton said that, you know, yeah, she was discovered
by Woody Allen. She was understudy in the musical Hair
back in the nineteen sixties, famously did not go on
stage naked, refuse to do it. But that's where she
met Woody Allen Dare in the seventies, she got into
his play, played against Sam and then did the movie
then Sleeper, Love and Death Manhattan, which I think is

(01:20:03):
Woody Allen's greatest film, and of course any Hall, although
Zellig is a close second.

Speaker 2 (01:20:08):
God damn it. I love Zelig. I fucking love Zellig.

Speaker 1 (01:20:12):
As I said, she won the Oscar and then and
she defended Woody like she said, he's that's never going
to change. She's my very very good friend, defended him
through all the controversy and everything, you know, And so
you know, it's like we're seeing now with Sena and
the Vince mcman. I don't like it, but Sena is
never gonna say anything negative aout Vince, no matter how
many texts come out, videos come out whatever, He's never

(01:20:34):
gonna say anything negative. There some people who make you
just can't turn on them, you know, And so I
understand her points.

Speaker 2 (01:20:41):
Of views on that, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:20:42):
And then later she did a number of other films.
She did rad So I don't know if you guys
have seen Reds. It's a great three hour film with
Jack Nicholson and Warner Baby Something's Got to Give.

Speaker 2 (01:20:50):
That was a really interesting film.

Speaker 1 (01:20:51):
But it shows a film called Looking for Mister Goodbar
back in the nineteen seventies, which is about this woman
who gets murdered by a one night stand and it
was kind of a commentary on the sexual, sexually free
time of.

Speaker 2 (01:21:04):
This eventies and what that can lead to. So very interesting.

Speaker 1 (01:21:06):
But then First Wives Club a lot of people like
that as well. So an incredible legacy as an activist,
as an actress, as a fashion icon, but also just
as an energy she was. So, you know, Carol Kine
her friend, you know, very very great actress, Carol Kine,
somebody you remember her from Scrooge as the Fairy There,

(01:21:26):
the hits, Bill Murray with a Toaster.

Speaker 2 (01:21:30):
She said that Diane Keaton was.

Speaker 1 (01:21:34):
Playing the love interest role well after the time that
most actresses get a chance to play the love interest role.
And she said it's because as Diane got older, she
embraced herself more and more and there was a sexinist
in that, and audiences felt that and gravitated to it
when you saw her work. So I think that's a

(01:21:56):
wonderful thing to say, you know, And I think that's
something that we should all aspire, including myself, to be
in that place about ourselves, accepting ourselves more and not
judging ourselves more. I think that's a really hard thing
to do. Takes therapy, takes discipline, tics commitment to doing that,
you know, But God love you, man.

Speaker 2 (01:22:17):
It's an incredible thing. And what a legacy she leaves
as an actress. You know. I loved her and The Godfather.

Speaker 1 (01:22:23):
I thought she was the Godfather three, but like one
and two, that scene with her Michael where Michael slaps
her after she takes he finds out that she's taking
the kids and stuff, like, She's got so many amazing
performances moments rather in the in those two Godfather movies
that I don't think we would I don't think we
would love the Godfather movies the way we do if
we didn't have her as this kind of person on
the outside who's on the inside, you know. And I

(01:22:45):
think it's important to have her as an energy who
is constantly calling out the villainy of the Corleones, because
we naturally want to like the Corleones, and we even
respect and love the Corleones really when you watch and
that's why we go back and watch the movies. But
you need to have that energy of like someone who's
like seeing through all the bullshit.

Speaker 2 (01:23:02):
And she did such a great job with that as well.
And I thought in.

Speaker 1 (01:23:05):
Any Hole, just her laid back energy throughout the whole
movie her Las Affair, when everyone else is so stressed
out about everything. She is this kind of like rolling
through life. And you meet those people and you envy
those people. You envy the people that are just like
they don't worry about everything all the time. They're not
constantly having the dark cloud.

Speaker 2 (01:23:22):
They're like people who just have this kind of natural
ease through life and and just believe in the best
and it's not easy. So I liked her in that
film as well. So but rip Diane Keaton, thank you
for the incredible work that you've delivered here and left
us with, and I'm sure there are many actresses who
are very influenced by her and her work as well.

(01:23:43):
All right, is there anything else you're going? Well, let's
let's let's start answering some questions because I don't know
if there's anything else you guys want me to talk about. Yeah,
a lot, exactly, all right, but let's let's see. Let's
get some question. You got eleven of them, Thank you
so much.

Speaker 1 (01:23:59):
I went to the commentsart here go kJ says, I
believe that men and women can be platonic friends, but
I know some people are against it. What is your
opinion on the subject. Oh, great question, very very reminiscent
of when Harry met Sally. I think men and women can't.
I have many female friends that are platonic female friends.
For me, usually my female friends are women I don't

(01:24:22):
find attractive, because I do think that can get in
the way.

Speaker 2 (01:24:28):
But but it's not that I don't.

Speaker 1 (01:24:31):
It's not that I don't have friendship with some women
that I do find attractive.

Speaker 2 (01:24:34):
I do have a few those, But the majority of
the women that I'm friends with or women that I
don't find attractive, even though they are objectively attractive, you know,
I will make that clear, but I think it's different
for everybody, right, Some people can't Some dudes can't be
friends with any women, any woman because they're kind of
always waiting to have sex or whatever. And some women

(01:24:55):
can't be men friends with men for their own reasons.
I'm not a and I don't know what the reasons
would be, but it all depends.

Speaker 1 (01:25:03):
But I think as you get older, if you get
if you have any semblance of self awareness, and you
start to mature, you really start to cherish the female
friends in your life, as speaking as a male, because
they offer you different perspectives on things. And I think

(01:25:23):
the Me Too movement, I know some people want to
denigrate it and put it down in all that nonsense,
But for me, the Me Too movement, I thought was
a really illuminating time as a man to look at
some of the behaviors of the past that I and
other men participated in because we were conditioned or trained
to be this way, Like you know, persistent asking of

(01:25:45):
a woman out, persistently telling her how much you think
she's attractive and you think she should give you a shot,
things of that nature that I that I was trained
from the young age that that's how you get and
watching movies, right, how many movies are full of dudes
who Cossi says no, but he constantly just keeps trying
and keeps trying that eventually she gives up and they
have this wonderful romance.

Speaker 2 (01:26:06):
Right, those things.

Speaker 1 (01:26:06):
But like when you sit down and talk to women
as you get older and hear their points of using
their perspectives and things to deal with. I mean, if
you're remotely a decent human being, it will open your
eyes to the experiences that they go through.

Speaker 2 (01:26:21):
And it will give you empathy for women. It will
help you understand women. So I think it's important for
men and women to be friends.

Speaker 1 (01:26:28):
But I do think there are some men who can't
do that, and I do think there are some women
who can't do that. So it's always, as with everything,
it's always a case by case basis.

Speaker 2 (01:26:36):
That's my overall thought of that. Thank you. kJ Kjo says,
you're just like for kill the Queens is the only
thing I ever disagree with you about. The Chemistry among
the actors are hilarious. Leo Remedie's Hey Hey, I love
Leo Remedy. I've never said anything negative Leorebedy.

Speaker 1 (01:26:50):
I think she's great. Whenever I watch clips on the show,
she's amazing. I'm just not a Kevin James person.

Speaker 2 (01:26:56):
I like Jerry Stiller. He is great on the show.

Speaker 1 (01:27:00):
Patton Oswald is great on the show The Blonde from
Mad TV or in Living Color, War of the Two.
She's great on the show when I've seen clips or
on TikTok or wherever.

Speaker 2 (01:27:10):
But him, I just don't. I just don't. And that's okay.
Like Kevin is a is a multimillionaire. You can't give
a fuck what I think about him. But I just
just something about him. I don't like him. And then
when he screwed over Aaron Hayes on that show that
he did, when he came back and tried to do
another sitcom the way he screwed it over to bring Leon, I.

Speaker 1 (01:27:29):
Thought that was an asshole move. So I think it's
a bit of a prick and I think it comes
through and I read people really well. I do, and
I think for me, he's he's just not my cup
of tea, and so that's always kind of ruined the
show for me.

Speaker 2 (01:27:43):
It's not my jam, just not my jam. John burkhartsid,
how is your Ghost of Yota play through? I gotta
be talest with you.

Speaker 1 (01:27:50):
It's so different from Tsushima that I'm taking more time,
and by that I mean I'm not playing for hours
and hours and hours.

Speaker 2 (01:27:59):
I'm just playing for like an hour here there. Because
it is dense.

Speaker 1 (01:28:03):
There is a lot going on, and it is so
different from Sushima in terms of the stories that are
being told that like I just fought off the dudes
in the snow when I was trying to lead the
merchants into the cave, like I was an insane experience.

Speaker 2 (01:28:18):
So I think there's I think the great.

Speaker 1 (01:28:21):
The game is amazing, but there's so much that I'm
just kind of like taking my time, and I'm still
kind of mentally in the Tsushima type of mindset. So
it's a whole different thing. But I'm very proud of
erka Isshi, who is the lead of the game.

Speaker 2 (01:28:37):
Erica and I have occasionally worked together way in the
past when when I was first starting out hosting shows
and doing recaps and things of that nature. So I
was very happy to hear that you got and when
I watched the game, it's so weird to see that
it's rika Ishi's face on there playing the main character,
so it's so cool. It's it's not one hundred percent
of face, but it certainly is like ninety percent of face,

(01:28:58):
so it's so much fun to see that. But yeah,
I'm enjoying it, just I just going slower through it
than I did with Sushi. Like Sushima became an addiction
for me, so maybe Yota will become an addiction down
the road, but for right now, it's much more of
a Okay, all right, let's get into this, you know,
let's see Jamieess appreciate your inview with Clark, hoping for
more me too.

Speaker 1 (01:29:17):
Janebe I emailed Apple TV and thanked them very much
and then sent a link to the interview and said
I would love to do more of these in the future,
And one of the publicists got back to me and said, absolutely,
we will look at you for Are you cool.

Speaker 2 (01:29:29):
With writers and directors?

Speaker 1 (01:29:30):
I'm like, yes, absolutely, I would love talent because that
gets the most eyes, but certainly I would be open
for any directors or writers of their projects to come
on and have conversation with me, and hopefully I can
lobby for longer because that's where I would really love
to do is with a writer or director sit down
for like thirty minutes and go like, Okay, let's talk
about this scene that scene. It's not about the construction

(01:29:50):
of your show, you know, without being spoiled or specific.
What were you thinking with this? What we think of
the storyline? Would you want to accomplish? That's fascinating stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:30:00):
Thank you. Jmb kJ says, I've been watching videos on
the Beatles worst songs.

Speaker 1 (01:30:04):
What is your opinion on their worst top three songs?
Revolution nine is too easy? Wow, the worst songs of
the Beatles. Jesus, that is a hell of a question.

Speaker 2 (01:30:15):
Let me see here, let me see what pops up
for me and if I agree with these assessments.

Speaker 1 (01:30:22):
Revolution, Wild, Honey Pine, No. I like Wild Honey Pie.
I like Maxwell, Silverhammer, fuck Off. Run for your life
if you can, oh, I like you run for your life.
Yellow Submarine is fine, although the Lady Outlaw hates hates
Yellow Submarine.

Speaker 2 (01:30:36):
Oh blah de blood. I love Flying good Night is God.
I like that Ringo Star good Night.

Speaker 1 (01:30:42):
Rocky Raccoon is great. Why don't we do it in
the Road's fucking great. Honey Pie is great because I
love the old school type of you know my.

Speaker 2 (01:30:48):
Name, look up the number is a lot of fun.
I don't know. I don't know, guys.

Speaker 1 (01:30:53):
Let me see Vulture rank the two hundred forty meeting
can rank from worst to best. Let's see what vultures
at the Bible is good Day Sunshine. That's a good song,
good Day Sunshine. Dig It everything I'll let it be
is great. Little child's great. Dig a pony is great.
Fuck off that should not be near the bottom. Freeze
a bird, free as a bird.

Speaker 2 (01:31:13):
I liked.

Speaker 1 (01:31:14):
I like that when they came back with that. I
like the New Beatles song too. Oh, this is tough
for me. I really would have to sit and think
about this. Only a Northern song, I guess I'm not
a big fan of that. And I know this is
gonna break your heart to some of you. I don't
like the George Harrison citar one that he has on uh,

(01:31:39):
Sergeant Pepper's Lonely Hearts Pulled Blay.

Speaker 2 (01:31:41):
I hate that song. I do not like that song.
That's I know a lot of people like this is
musically the most amazing thing. Not for me, just not
my song. And maybe because I'm just not into that
kind of psychedelic sitar stuff. It's not my jam.

Speaker 1 (01:31:53):
So that's what I would tell you right now, but
I would have to sit down and think about a
little bit longer. Maybe that'd be a fun short for
Steve and I to do his big Beatles fans on
the Senate.

Speaker 2 (01:32:00):
Else maybe will bring Scott on to talk about our
three worst songs. They can be fun. Thank you, kJ
What do you okay? Here's a field?

Speaker 1 (01:32:08):
And George says, what do you think about wonder Man
dropping all the episodes at once? I don't know why
Marvel are doing this. It feels like they have no
faith in the show. Yeah, that's basically what it means
one hundred, just like they did with Echo. If they
are dropping it all at once, it's because they don't
have a lot of.

Speaker 2 (01:32:21):
Faith in the show.

Speaker 1 (01:32:22):
And the fact that Brad Winderbaum said, well, we don't
want to drop wonder Man in December because I don't.
We don't want people to forget about it because they're
so caught up with Elf and Love. Actually, that is
such a terrible thing to say, bro.

Speaker 2 (01:32:37):
If your shit is good enough, people aren't gonna give
a fuck about Elf and Love.

Speaker 1 (01:32:41):
Actually, they're not gonna let Elf and Love actually stop
them from seeing a new Marvel show. They can always
watch Elf and Love. Actually Christmas, they will watch the
Marvel show as well, like they drop what if they?

Speaker 2 (01:32:52):
They dropped what ifs all.

Speaker 1 (01:32:53):
Through Christmas seasons, the last two seasons, right, so why
would this be any different? So to me, I think
that's a little weird, but I get it. They claim
that they're trying to grab the WandaVision time in January,
but I think job of them all at once is
a little is a little suspect. So I hear you, Field,
I don't. I don't like it either. Jay benmash Is
after Peacemakers season two finale? Do you think Gun should rain?

Speaker 2 (01:33:14):
Oh? Wait, hold on, let me take this. Sometimes I
forget I have a hair that gives me a better
sight of things. Here we are, there, we No, I
don't have to look up and down all right? After
Peacemakers season two finale? Do you think Gun should rain
in his needle drops? I know it's his style, but
it felt forced compared to Supermann game of things. Well, listen,
I'd be, I'd be.

Speaker 1 (01:33:33):
I'm gonna say this, I would be remiss to use
one episode where the needle drops didn't work, and ignore
all the other episodes where it did work, and ignore
all the other movies where it did work, to say,
like he should rein it in he went a bit far.
I do think James is going to hear the criticism
and maybe, you know, be a little more How can

(01:33:55):
I say this a little more judicious in when he's
going to drop these needle drops. That being said, though,
we're not going to see another movie from James until
Man of Tomorrow, so we will have kind of forgotten
the needle drop issue by the time we get to
mana Tomorrow. So when he does do it, hopefully I
have a little more of a careful approach to do

(01:34:20):
it and pick the songs that.

Speaker 2 (01:34:21):
Work for me.

Speaker 1 (01:34:23):
Yes, a couple of needle drops are a little much.
The having the band to come in be meta and
who sang the theme song? I thought that was like ridiculous.
That's where I think you should that. I definitely you
should pull back. That was a little too much inside baseball.
This is the concern I have with James, right, And
I think again, I like a lot of James's stuff,

(01:34:46):
but when you give him free reign and there's no
one to stop him because Saffren's not gonna fucking stop him.
Then you get, Then you get he's gonna go out
too far, Like that scene where or the imp is
essentially fucking the mouth of Tim Meadows's character.

Speaker 2 (01:35:06):
I was like, why, just why. I get that you still.

Speaker 1 (01:35:08):
Want to be a fourteen year old boy and you
think this stuff is funny, but it's.

Speaker 2 (01:35:12):
Really not necessary.

Speaker 1 (01:35:14):
It's so low rate, you know, and in a show
where you're dealing with trauma and you're dealing with mental
health issues and you're dealing with stuff, when you throw
in that shit, I think you throw.

Speaker 2 (01:35:24):
There's a way to do humor. I think a lot
of Peacemaker work this season with the humor mixed in
with the drama.

Speaker 1 (01:35:29):
But when you throw in that extra shit, that's the
shit that I think it goes too far, and you're
trying to play to the the d those guys who
really enjoy that kind of shit, it's just dumb.

Speaker 2 (01:35:39):
Heejus. So do you think that the failure of the
Smashing Machine has to do.

Speaker 1 (01:35:42):
With the fact that most people never heard of Mark
Kura and the Rock looked unrecognizable. I think the first
part of your suggestion is correct. People don't know Mark Kerr,
they don't know his story, so I thought that was
an issue. I also think, as I've said before, the

(01:36:03):
Rock burned too many bridges with his behavior after Black Adam,
his behavior with the WWE, his behavior after Baywatch, and
a couple other things like there was an arrogance, an ego,
there was an obstinace from his side of things, and
I think that burned bridges, which is why I want
to give him credit for saying, hey, I learned my

(01:36:26):
lesson that this box office didn't do well. I understand
I can't control the box office. I can only control
what I do as an actor, whether that was a
canned response and written for him, or he genuinely feels
this way. I hope that is the attitude he carries forward,
because if Muana comes out, I don't think Wan's going
to underform.

Speaker 2 (01:36:42):
I think Wan people love more.

Speaker 1 (01:36:44):
But if for some reason in underperformance, then you've got
a situation where The Rock has become possibly a box
office poison. And that is something I never thought would
happen after he achieved success. So yes, I do think
the fact that Mark Curb is now, but the fact
that he looked unrecognizable nothing kJ like.

Speaker 2 (01:37:00):
They were promoting him like all over the place.

Speaker 1 (01:37:03):
For this movie, so you knew he was in the
movie regardless of what he looked like in the movie.

Speaker 2 (01:37:07):
I also think MMA is such a niche thing. People
aren't running out to see MMA movies. Kingdom was an
excellent series of Frank Grillo. Nobody watched that show. They
barely survived season the season. Warrior an excellent movie from
Gavin O'Connor with Tom Hardy and Joel Edgerton. Hardly anybody

(01:37:29):
went to see that movie. It did decent, it didn't
do great, It's an excellent movie. So I just think
those are the two things that came together. First, they
don't know Mark her and MMA is kind of a
niche thing. If it had been the Connor McGregor story,
people would have shown up in larger numbers. But because
of someone they know, I think there was an element
of it for sure. All right, kJ, s is, what
did you.

Speaker 1 (01:37:48):
Learn from being the producer on Collider Heroes? Any fun
John Schnapp stories?

Speaker 2 (01:37:52):
Oh? Man, oh man? Uh? What did I learn? What
did I learn? It's what did I learn on the
John step show on the story clatter.

Speaker 1 (01:38:04):
First of all, I learned as much as I love John,
John was at times a difficult guy to produce a
show for because John would change his mind at the
last minute. Sometimes John wouldn't come on time. John sometimes
wouldn't adhere to the time constraints of the show. That's
why they brought me on, is that no one else
was able to control it. And I promised them when
they brought me on that I was going to be

(01:38:25):
able to keep John in line and so, and you know,
because I don't fucking I don't fear anybody.

Speaker 2 (01:38:30):
I don't have a problem with, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:38:31):
And so I said to him, hey, man, we need
And so when he was going back, like I took
to the point where I was walking across the cameras
that he had to look at with like the sign
one minute to make it clear he's got to wrap
it up, you know. And so we would have in
our post show conversations it would be about like his
timing on stuff. But that was my only complaints I
had with John. He was such a giving, kind person,

(01:38:54):
and yeah, could he talk shit about people. Of course,
there were a couple of car rides where he talked
to some stuff about people, and you know, we all do,
and I think that wasn't you know, it wasn't It
wasn't a natural characteristic of his.

Speaker 2 (01:39:06):
He was a very genuinely cool dude.

Speaker 1 (01:39:09):
Nice guy, loved people, but he also saw through people,
and I think that was one of the things that
was really illuminating for me and even some of the
people you enjoy now. He had some comments on that
I found to be pretty revelatory as I got to
know them later in this business. But you know, I

(01:39:31):
never I never portrayed myself as a friend of John's
in the level like Dennis En was and Christian was
and other people were. I didn't take it on when
he died either, even though we worked together constantly on
that show. That was for other people who had legitimate
long term friendships with John to feel pain about. And

(01:39:55):
so I never wanted to use his passing as any
kind of thing for myself.

Speaker 2 (01:40:00):
Like even when they asked me to host the show
on his passing, I was a little hesitant about it
because I'm like, there are people know him longer, you know.
But I went to see him in the hospital. It
was devastating.

Speaker 1 (01:40:10):
It was heartbreaking, this massive man on this bed being
taken down to you know, I got to say some
things to him, which I thought, you know, was experience
running me a lot of my dad, going to see
my dad in the hospital. You know, that feeling is
whoever's there and you care about that person. It's a
rough experience. But I also learned like to be more
of a nerd, like to embrace the geek them more.

(01:40:32):
I think that was something that John really did so
well is that he made it okay to be sweaty.

Speaker 2 (01:40:38):
He made it okay to be an uber nerd.

Speaker 1 (01:40:41):
Because I mean, he was so successful doing all the
things that he did, but he never radiated. You know,
he didn't have a fucking car like people drove him
to places, you know, And so John had this kind
of approach to life that was he embraced who the
hell he was. He embraced the fact that he loved
colic and he could talk about it so knowledgeably and
like real in depth. And even when people who would

(01:41:02):
initially kind of make fun of shit, when he would
talk to them, they would come away just wow at
John's interpretation of this stuff, because it's really intelligent and
it would bring in like historical stuff, bring in literature stuff.
Just was really smart about a lot of things. John
deceptively so, you know, because when you see him on
the street, it's like this big holking dude with the
kind of you know, he's got this face and he's
got the beard and then the straggly hair, and you

(01:41:25):
don't know what you're gonna get. And then you sit
down with him, You're like, Jesus Christ, this guy is
so fucking smart.

Speaker 2 (01:41:29):
So yeah, that's my experience with John.

Speaker 1 (01:41:31):
But again I want to make it clear, like I
was not like the massive friend of John Schnepf.

Speaker 2 (01:41:36):
I was this producer on that show.

Speaker 1 (01:41:38):
I would occasionally drive him to things that we got
together and do and we'd have fun conversations, but in
no way it was like going to John's house or
going to a movie with John. That was just never
the relationship we had, you know. And to be fair,
because that's something I don't have with a lot of people,
and you got to earn that with me, you know,
And so that's the thing. So yeah, but yes, fun

(01:42:01):
John Schnepp stories. I was always see the crack of
his ass, you know, whenever anywhere.

Speaker 2 (01:42:06):
Or anything or getting out of anything.

Speaker 1 (01:42:09):
It was always John Snpp's crack of his ass that
you saw me, so you know, it was an intimate
experience with that that butt crack of his through a
majority of the time I was at Collider.

Speaker 2 (01:42:21):
But no, no, no, real like John and I went
on this crazy adventure fun stories, not at all but
he but we always but I always had fun. You know.
I can't speak for John.

Speaker 1 (01:42:29):
I don't know what his experience with me was like,
but I always had fun talking with him about this
stuff and you know, ball busting him and also occasionally
getting into heated debates or arguments about like you got
to stick to the fucking play it.

Speaker 2 (01:42:41):
You know.

Speaker 1 (01:42:42):
We would have occasional ones like that, but I wouldn't
trade it for anything else. I mean, the guy taught
me so much, and he was and he was a
he was a fun guy to produce. I don't want
to produce for anybody else anymore, but but that experience
was incredible.

Speaker 2 (01:42:56):
So that's what I would say. Kaj, thanks for the question, Bunny,
Jody Money, thank you, Jodie, appreciate it. Kisfourgas has been
rocom and Ramblin for an hour. I'm here for it.

Speaker 1 (01:43:04):
Yeah, I told you guys, I had to bug up
my ass. I just wanted to get on live and
talk about shit. That's what I pitched it that way,
and that's what I did.

Speaker 2 (01:43:09):
Thank you, Calvin. Do you want Jamesons?

Speaker 1 (01:43:12):
Hey, Mighty Roca, I'm prepping my blue donkey costume for
No King's rally.

Speaker 2 (01:43:15):
Nice.

Speaker 1 (01:43:15):
I need something cool on TV while I work. Keep
up the show. Thank you to UI, and we will
be out there on the eighteenth ourselves as well. You know,
the Lady Outlaw sent me the thing yesterday and we
are absolutely going to be out there, and especially now
that she's done with COVID, we will be out there
on Saturday. And no amount of stupid bullshit from Mike
Johnson telling us that it's anti American to be out there,

(01:43:37):
go fuck yourself. There's nothing more American than protesting the
current administration, in protesting any administration, there's nothing more american.
Teddy Roosevelt said it best. You know, he said, don't
don't just believe anything they tell you. And if you
think he said, the most American thing to do is
to take issue with your government and protest your government.

(01:43:57):
So them trying that's some weak needs snowflake bullshit that
they're trying to push out there, that the protests are
anti American or that's nonsense, utter fucking nonsense. So don't
don't buy into any of that stuff. Go to your
protests and stay started, don't commit violence, don't do anything
terrible like that, but certainly have a right to speak
your mind and tell the truth. And all that bullshit

(01:44:19):
narrative about signs and you know, people are paid for
but it's all nonsense, utter crap that they're pushing out there.
People are legitimately and organically having an issue with the
things that are going on in our country right now.

Speaker 2 (01:44:31):
Uh, and they want a place to speak their peace.

Speaker 1 (01:44:34):
And just like all those people protested Biden for four years,
crying and moaning and then let's go Brandon bullshit, we
got a right to protest as well. And I bet
some of those people are now seeing the light on
Trump and would join the protest. So I see more
and more Republicans turning their back on the MAGA agenda
as it goes along because they know that it's going
to turn on them.

Speaker 2 (01:44:55):
Look at Marjorie Taylor Green. Not that I necessarily put
a lot of stock in their points of view.

Speaker 1 (01:45:00):
Is that all of a sudden, this change in her
points of view is because it's to me, it feels
like a scorpion in a frog situation where she's gonna
sting us halfway across the water. But the fact that
she's willing to come out openly and question him and
talk about the prices and talk about the healthcare situation,
I think that's a positive. Denis mcnowly's is broken. With

(01:45:21):
only two months left of the year. Who is your
leading best actor and best actress twenty twenty five?

Speaker 2 (01:45:26):
If the Oscars were tomorrow? Who would get it? Oh? Man,
that's a great question. I guess I guess DiCaprio by default.
Right now, I guess I would say hold on, because
I mean, I haven't seen a lot of these other films.

Speaker 1 (01:45:50):
Uh, what was it?

Speaker 2 (01:45:52):
Let me see here? Okay, best actor predictions, Here we go.
Let's look at what Clayton wrote there, Clayton Davis wrote there,
and in variety.

Speaker 1 (01:46:01):
He's got Charala May, Marty Suprema. I haven't seen it,
DiCaprio and one bell left of that. I have seen
that four times. Wagner Mora in Secret Agent. I haven't
seen that Ethan Hawk and Dylan Moon and Blue Moon.
I haven't seen that. Dwayne Johnson The Smashing Machine. Sure
I put him in there, Michauld Be Jordan Sinners. I
would absolutely consider him for a nomination. I'm gonna see
the British Springsteen movie on the twentieth. I'm driving up

(01:46:23):
to LA to see it with Shannon McClung, Joel Legend
and Traine Dreams.

Speaker 2 (01:46:27):
Just saw the trailer of the Weegond looks great. I
haven't seen it. George Clooney, J Kelly haven't seen it.

Speaker 1 (01:46:31):
So yeah, I can only tell you I guess, well,
I mean, should I give it to.

Speaker 2 (01:46:41):
No?

Speaker 1 (01:46:41):
I guess I would give it to Michael b because,
I mean, those two characters he created and they were
so distinctly different from each other. I thought was an
actual exceptional acting performance. And as the film goes along,
what happens those characters and how he portrays them and
plays them. I think that's better than what DiCaprio did.
But again, I haven't seen the other film, so I
can't say. My feeling is that Shallow May is probably

(01:47:03):
the odds on favorite. Maybe Daniel day lewis for amenity,
but we will see.

Speaker 2 (01:47:09):
What o the names? Have you got got?

Speaker 1 (01:47:10):
Hugh Jackman a ballad of small player? Colin Ferrell? Maybe
that might be a dark horse ballad of a small player.
I mean people, clearly the Academy likes Edward Berger and
they love.

Speaker 2 (01:47:20):
Colin Ferrell, so we will see if he gets the nomination. Uh, actress,
is there an actress? Let me see whoever? Category? Here
we go? Actress? Oh, actually, here we go.

Speaker 1 (01:47:38):
Jesse Buckley, Habnet haven't seen it, Cinthy Eva Wicked for Good,
haven't seen it. Kate Hudson's song sung Blue, No fucking
Way Chase Infinity one battle after another.

Speaker 2 (01:47:47):
I mean, I thought it was a star making term,
but I don't think that's necessarily a Best Actress nomination,
to be honest with you.

Speaker 1 (01:47:53):
We RENSV and Sentimental Value have not seen it. Let's
see who else they could have on the list here,
Man of Seafreed Testament, Van Lee, haven't seen it, Emmistone
Butgone you haven't seen it, Sidney Sweeney, Christy haven't seen it.

Speaker 2 (01:48:07):
Rose Burn if i'd LEAs, I kick you.

Speaker 1 (01:48:08):
A lot of people think choose the odds on favorite,
even though Variety has her at ninth here, Jennifer Lawrence
died My Love teenth.

Speaker 2 (01:48:15):
Yeah. Uh yeah, there's no one else. There's nothing else.
There's weapons Julia Gardo no way. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:48:23):
So a lot of the movies that people might be
nominated from haven't come out yet.

Speaker 2 (01:48:26):
Brother.

Speaker 1 (01:48:27):
So I guess if I was to give it today,
of the things I've seen, yeah, it'd be tough for actress.
Of the things I've seen. Yeah, I wouldn't feel comfortable
doing it. I would have to say Jesse Buckley just
from the trailers. That's that's a cop out, but that's

(01:48:49):
what I would have to say.

Speaker 2 (01:48:50):
So that's my answer to you. Thank you for the question,
though I appreciate it. My man, Uh fantastic, says the Roca.

Speaker 1 (01:48:57):
And I don't disagree on any things, but I really
enjoy Here Comes the Boom.

Speaker 2 (01:49:01):
Every joke he tried to every.

Speaker 1 (01:49:04):
Every Joe someone, I was like, every time he tried
to kiss sawahayak, I was like, get in lined.

Speaker 2 (01:49:09):
Oh yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:49:11):
I thought Here Comes the Boom was terrible. Oh my god,
it was so annoying. Here Oh it's not my jam
at all. All right, So it's been one of the
stream labs. How many of these do I have oh
just one or two? Oh just one? Okay one Stream
lab fantastic saying again Jay Rok is Speaking the Truth.
Excellent interview with Jason Clark, and I was excited how
impressed he was with their intro.

Speaker 2 (01:49:32):
Yeah, me too. I thought that was really nice of him.

Speaker 1 (01:49:34):
Also, people who disagree with my opinions always assume they
know why. If they were smart, they'd know not to
do that. Oh well, well there, thank you. I appreciate that.
All right, that's all the questions. We have perfect timings.
We're at the two hour mark, wrapping it up here.
Some people asked if I'd seen Crown Jewel. I have
not watched Crown Jewel yet. I don't have the ESPN Plus,

(01:49:54):
so not yet. It's I'm gonna get it at the
end of October because it's an extra six bucks with
the with the Plan that I already have on Hulu,
so I'll get it just so I could watch those things.

Speaker 2 (01:50:04):
But I heard it was fine.

Speaker 1 (01:50:06):
I heard the aj Styles and Sena match was great.
I watched highlights of the Tiffy Vaker match man Stephanie
was carrying her man.

Speaker 2 (01:50:17):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:50:17):
I don't have the Tiffy time thing that other people do. Yeah,
and you say it's a classic Connor. I watched the
clip out on on TikTok. This dude was reacting watching
them do the multiple like finishers that from everyone for
every other wrestler. That was amazing, fucking amazing. So I
can't wait to watch that match. But then I heard

(01:50:41):
the Kabuki Warriors match was excellent, so I want to
see that as well, so I'll definitely be watching it
at some points, either tonight or tomorrow.

Speaker 2 (01:50:49):
We will see. But there you go, and I Cameron Camerons,
are you watching task? Cameron? I watched the whole show.

Speaker 1 (01:50:55):
They sent me the screeners early, so I haven't been
reviewing it because I watched all of it already, so
I was gonna wait till the final episode jump drops
and then I'll do a spoiler review, maybe with the
geek Buddies, because Michael and Shannon have been watching it
as well, so maybe we'll do like an extra geekbite
where the three of us review that series.

Speaker 2 (01:51:11):
But I love the show.

Speaker 1 (01:51:13):
I think the show was better than Mayor of Eastown
the same people that made it, and I thought this
was better than Mary of East Town. He got into
the darker stuff, and I thought the twist was great.
I kind of called the person who was the mole.
I kind of called that early for a couple of reasons.
But I didn't see the what happens on the last

(01:51:35):
because we're in the last two episodes, right, I didn't
see what happened in the last two episodes.

Speaker 2 (01:51:41):
I didn't see that coming.

Speaker 1 (01:51:42):
This is what I'm saying. I watched last two episodes.
I didn't see what happens coming in those last two episodes.
So strap the fuck in, everybody. This is a great show.
It's a fucking great show. All right, thank you?

Speaker 2 (01:51:52):
Oh fantastic.

Speaker 1 (01:51:53):
My cowboys, don't disappoint Sorry Winston, Yeah yeah, tell them
that tomorrow, buddy.

Speaker 2 (01:51:57):
Oh my god, what a loss. I couldn't believe they
lost it a fucking panthers.

Speaker 1 (01:52:01):
Oh but we'll we'll be talking about that on Tuesday
on Spill the Tikila for sure. All right, guys, thanks
so much for hanging out with me. I appreciate it.
This was just, you know, a bug up my ass,
and I felt like hanging out with you all live.

Speaker 2 (01:52:13):
I'm gonna be doing this more so.

Speaker 1 (01:52:15):
I hope you guys want it, and you'll keep coming
back and hanging out and send in your topics and
questions because I like talking about stuff that isn't just
what I want to talk about.

Speaker 2 (01:52:25):
And kJ asked some really great questions.

Speaker 1 (01:52:26):
All you did, really, but kJ asked some nice interesting
questions that were not to do with my topics. And
I like that on a show like this because I
get self conscious when I have a host and a
co host and there you're asking me questions about stuff
that's that has nothing to do with them. You know,
I can sense Jeff's uncomfortability and sometimes Mikero Shannon's, and
so I or Winston sometimes too. So I like it

(01:52:48):
when you save it for this. So I'm gonna do
these more so that you guys can send those questions
in there. We can have fun conversations. I think night
ones are really good as well. Maybe like going till.

Speaker 2 (01:52:57):
Midnight or something starting at eight, going like four hours
could be a lot of fun.

Speaker 1 (01:53:01):
But we'll see, all right, But thank you guys so much.
Please remember to subscribe down below, hit that bell button.
Remember the part one of scarfaces out on the Cinephiles.
Remember that the Tuesday Morning podcast, Me and Mike and
Shannon when the Geek Buddy is talking about Geek Buddy
talking about trom with FM DeMarco. That's out and uh
and my interview with Jason Clark. Please don't forget about that.

Speaker 2 (01:53:21):
That's up.

Speaker 1 (01:53:22):
Watch it now, especially if you watched the first two
episodes of Last Front to hear, which I like.

Speaker 2 (01:53:25):
That show's good. It's not a great show, up, it's
a damn good show.

Speaker 1 (01:53:28):
So I highly recommend that if you all haven't watched
it yet on Apple TV.

Speaker 2 (01:53:32):
All right, take care of your selsb well, and remember
what I say at the end of every episode.

Speaker 1 (01:53:35):
Please whatever you need to do to get through the
next second, next minute, next hour, next week, or next hour,
next day, next week, next month, please make sure you
do that. You know, we're heading into the holiday season.
This is where it gets tough for a lot of people,
including me. So you know I can encourage you enough
to do the things you need to do to stay level,

(01:53:57):
to stay on point, to process, go through your mental
health stuff, whether it's reading, reading a book or reading
a favorite passage or poem, or take an a hike
or a walk, calling a friend or a family member
and like just laughing with them about stuff, watching some
of your favorite movies or TV shows, whatever you have
to do, Please make sure you do that.

Speaker 2 (01:54:18):
Please make sure you have a plan for yourself.

Speaker 1 (01:54:20):
I think it's really the most important thing is develop
a plan for yourself for when these feelings come, so
like figure out what works for you and so that
when the feelings come, you can turn to that plan
and put it in motion. There's nothing more effective in
life than having tools to deal with stuff that comes
up for you when when you're dealing.

Speaker 2 (01:54:39):
With your emotions. It's super essential, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:54:41):
So just want to just a bit of a tip
there for you all who mayo may not have constructed
a plan for yourselves. Make sure you do that because
it's important because you can turn to that, put it
on your phone, put it in your notes app or
have it or put it on a post it on
your computer monitor or in your room. It's super important
so that you can go, Okay, now I need to
do this. Now I need to do say this to myself.
Now maybe I can watch or listen to something. Now

(01:55:03):
I'm gonna take a walk, or now I'm gonna work out,
or now.

Speaker 2 (01:55:05):
I'm gonna do this. It's really important, so just putting
that out there, all right, Thank.

Speaker 1 (01:55:10):
You guys so much again, Love you madly and I'll
talk to you next time with another brand new episode
of the Truth here on the.

Speaker 2 (01:55:17):
John Roky Channel. Piece Enjoy your Sunday

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