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here already one hundred of you joining me live. Thank

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you so much. We are going to get into this
drama here that is happening in our world of entertainment
with the WB merger. Netflix of course purchasing WB, but
now Paramount this morning announcing that they're doing a hostile
takeover a bit. There were all kinds of things that
were revealed in the SEC filing that's a little suspicious
in terms of the people who are behind Paramount's bid.

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Then you've got President Donald Trump coming out saying, listen,
I haven't chosen a side on this. Both of them
have been bad to me, which I think is really funny.
And so now we're in this place where everyone thinks
they know what's going on. Everyone's pontificating. All these high
priced writers at these high priced sites are trying to
tell you what they believe is going to happen and
where it's going to all go. But to be honest

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with you, I'll tell you what nobody fucking knows. It
certainly feels like it's going to be Netflix is, but
then depending on the hour, sometimes even the minute, it
feels like maybe Paramount is going to come through here
and force everything to go down. And I'm here to
talk to you about the truth, which is to destroy
those narratives you hear going on and try to give
you some semblance of the truth. Here with all the

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moving pieces and moving parts, and of course the truth
tonight might not be the truth by tomorrow morning. This
is how fast this thing is moving nowadays, or the
last few days rather with this story, and it's just
insane to see how many moving parts on this. Usually
you go for something, you lose out, that's it. You
move on, You accept the l and go No, what
we've got here is a lot of power players with

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a lot of money. We're talking billions, tens of billions
of dollars that are going to be funneled in to
try to get Warner Brothers right. Netflix for those you
who don't know, maybe living under a rock for the
last few days, but certainly Netflix has won. Initially won
the bid. I think it was eighty two billion dollars.
I got my notes here, eighty two billion dollars of

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what they did here. But there's much more that's gone
on since that time, since they it's which seems like
maybe a week ago, even though it was like forty
eight hours ago. Much more has gone on since that
time to let us know where all of this is
going to end up and where this all might be going.
It's a little insane to see how it's all playing out.
To be honest with you and where it's going to

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lead us to. I will absolutely do my best to
guess all of that as well. So we're gonna get
into that now. I just want to let you know.
We're also going to get into the Golden Globe nominations.
We're going to get into the Critics' Choice Award nomination.
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about So we'll get into that. We'll talk some Sydney

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All right, all of that should but it's been a
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So all right, So that's what we're gonna get into
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whatever it may be. And if I have to look
it up, I will look it up and we'll talk
about it for sure. But the first thing we should
definitely talk about, let's get into it right off the bat,
is what I alluded to here, the madness that is
going on in Hollywood right now with the WB merger.

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And that's those three gentlemen right there. You see the
power players in this whole equation there with David Saslov
right there in the middle of Ted Sarados on the
right and David Nelson on the left there, and you
see that these are the guys that are moving around
and the moving pieces to make this all happen. And
when last we left, just to give you a little
bit of a background before we get too deep into

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the stuff. When last we left this particular equation, Netflix
was had absolutely won this thing. Warner Brothers had announced
they won this thing was like eighty two billion dollars,
as I said, and they were ready to go seventy
two billion, with about ten billion dollars that they were
ready to go into this business. But now what we've
found out today is that Paramount has long a hostile

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takeover bid. They are going to look at who, look
at how much, look at the thirty dollars per share
plan that they had already submitted before. They are going
in that direction. They are going to they are going
to value Warner Brothers Discovery at one hundred and eight
billion dollars as they seek to derail Netflix's deal. Paramount

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has offered. Paramount's offer includes twenty four billion from Saudi Arabia,
that's the PIF Fund from Prince Muhammed Bensilam Guitar and
Abu Dhabi Wealth funds. Ten Cent had been involved, which
is a Chinese company, but ten Cent removed themselves. Now

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a lot of people are like ten Cents no longer
part of the equation. Let me tell you something. Let's
deal with the reality, all right, the stuff living in
fantasy land and candy land. The reality of things are
when this kind of money is involved, and when certain
companies who have a reputation some would say nefarious, some
would say suspicious, some would say honorable. They have a

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reputation of doing business in a certain way where they
kind of play with the rules and play with loopholes.
Just because they've removed themselves from themselves from the people
who are part of the bid, it does not mean
that their money won't find their way through loopholes or
through shell companies or through LLCs to be a part

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of this whole situation. And so I think that's something
you guys have to keep into account when we look
at this thing and when we look at what's going
on with this particular deal. But yes, it is thirty
dollars a share that they are allegedly offering at this point,
and they announced it this morning. And the deal itself, though,
which is really interesting is it's the same terms that

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were offered in a December fourth bid submitted to the
Warner Brothers Discovery Board, the proposed transactions for the entirety
of Warner Brothers Discovery, So Discovery not just the films
and the IP involved with the film and the theatrical
side of things, but also on the TV side with CNN, TBS,
T and T and other networks. Of course we know
TNT with NBA basketball. A lot of people chiming in

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know that. We also know AEW is involved, a pro
wrestling organization is involved with all of these things that
have been going on because we know that AW does
their pay per buws on HBO Max, So how much
is that involved with this whole thing? ONTs WB gets bought?
And if it's actually paramount, what are they going to
do when they've got when they've got to AW, what's

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going to happen with that if they actually get it?
Or is Netflix going to get a But Netflix doesn't
want the TV side of things, So Netflix is not
going to have a conflict between WWE and AW because
they have WWE, they don't have a AEW. But I
doubt they put them all under the same umbrella, because
it's very clear that they're waiting for the split to happen,
which is I think in April of twenty twenty six.
The TV side is going to be one thing, the

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movie side is another thing, and certainly Netflix is interested
in the movie side, but Paramount wants it all. And
this is something that's really curious when you look at it.
They're taking their directly to WBD shareholders, and according to Paramount,
it's an all cash offer that equates to an enterprise
value of one hundred and eight point four billion dollars

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including the assumption of debt, with an equity value of
seventy seven point nine billion. Now I'm like you, guys,
I hear those numbers and my eyes glaze over and
I just start to fall backwards in my chair and
pass out because that is so much money, And you
wonder where are they gonna get this money? How do
they get this money? Well, this is going to be
an interesting thing as we go deeper into this story here.

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But in contrast, the Netflix proposal entails a quote volatile
and complex structure. That's what they claiming valued at twenty
seven point seventy five share in a mix of cash
and stock subject to caller and the future performance of Netflix,
equating to an enterprise value of eighty two point seven
billion dollars. That's how we got there, which excludes the
TV business, and that's what Paramount said. Paramount's decorating it

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this way. Paramount is portraying the Netflix that bid this
way volatile in all of that, Paramount said it's deals
offer for WBD would close within twelve months, compared with
Netflix's projected twelve to eighteen months for completing its DEALWBD
is required by law to inform shareholders within ten business
days whether it will accept or reject Paramounts Guide ounces

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thirty dollars a share offer. Paramount's tender offer, which was
approved unanimously by its board, is scheduled to expire at
five pm ET on January eighth of twenty twenty six,
unless the offer is extended. Paramount David Ellison, you know,
came out and NEPO baby. David Elison came out and
said our proposal is superior to Netflix in every dimension,

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he said on a call with analysts and investors this morning.
This morning, Paramount strategically and financially compelling offer to WBD
shareholders provides a superior alternative to the Netflix transaction, which
offers inferior and uncertain value and exposes WBD shareholders to
a protracted, multi jurisdictional regulatory clearance process with an uncertain

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outcome along with a complex and volatile there's that word again,
mix of equity and cash. They now the Paramount's thirty
dollars share offer is backed by forty point seven billion
dollars in capital from David's daddy there, Larry Ellison. Over
to Oracle who was the co founder there, and Redbird
Capital Partners, both of which put in money for sky

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Dance Media's eight billion dollar acquisition of Paramount Global. How's
that eight billion for Paramount eighty for a parentright, eight
one hundred and eight billion dollars for WB. That tells
you the value of both of those companies at the
time when this whole, when these bids are coming through. Now,
who is behind this bid besides the forty point seven

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billion from David's daddy there, Larry Ellison, Well, you've got
yourselves the sovereign wealth funds of Saudi Arabia, Cutter and
Abu Dhabi, as well as Affinity Partners, the investment company
formed by who Jared Kushner. Now, who's Jared Kushner. Well,
he's the president's son in law. Listens, it's curier and curier, sir.

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As you go drilling down in the details of these
deals on both sides now already, and you've got the
wealth funds from Sarady Arabia that is run by people
who are accused of murdering Washington Post journalist Jamal Kashogi
in a pretty brutal way. You know. Trump dismissed it
in such a callous, in an offensive way a couple
of weeks ago when he was in the White House

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with the Prince there, the Saudi prince, and it is
such an interesting situation to have them involved with this.
Then you've got Jared Kushner, who had got two billion
dollars from Saudi, remember remember that deal. And then you've
got Cutter and Abu Dhabi. I don't know what their
whole part in all of this in terms of their
money and what they're expecting with all of this. Now.
Paramount's offered for WBD as of December first included an

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aggregate twenty four billion in financing from the Middle Eastern
funds that I just laid out. Bridy had previously reported
that the three funds were part of the latest bid.
Paramount also said as WBD bid will be financed in
part by fifty four billion dollars in met commitment commitments
from Bank of America City in Apollo Global Management. Now
let's let you know about something. When this press release

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was issued this morning from Paramount, they did not have
the Saudi Arabian money, They did not have the Abu
Dhabi money, the Katar money. They didn't list ten Cent
because ten Cent was moved as the Chinese company moved
two days ago. But they only listed Bank of America
City at Apollo and Redbird and Oracle. So it's real

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interesting that they waited for the SE filing to come
out before we found out, or that they refused. They
didn't name the Middle Eastern money, but the SEC filing
is the thing that revealed the Middle Eastern money. It
was behind us. Now, some of you have talked about
the ten Cent situation that I posted about here, and
you have to look at what is what's involved here

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with all of this. I'm gonna read my tweet out
here for the people supporting paramount getting WB this is
who you are getting in bed with. Just so we're
all clear. And on the same page, the US Department
Defense added ten Cent to a list of Chinese military
companies in twenty twenty five, alleging it collects data for
the Chinese military and supports its quote military civil fusion strategy.

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That is chilling. That is very chilling to read that
they were even involved at any stage of this process
is an unsettling and chilling thing to read when we
are so aware and afraid of military presence in our cities.
We're seeing what happened with the National Guard and sadly
that one young lady was killed murdered as a National
guardsman there in DC and the young man was sent

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to the hospital for those attacks. You know, unnecessary appearance
by our military in all of these cities. And so
here you have a people behind Paramount who are involved
in this kind of energy. Here the Chinese military companies
in twenty twenty five that collects data, collects data for
the Chinese military. Isn't that the TikTok thing everyone's complaining

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about the TikTok collects American data, But here we are
people are supporting this situation. And so you could say,
all they removed themselves two days ago, who gives a shit.
The fact that they were part of it from the
beginning is super unsettling. And if you really think, I believe,
or a lot of people are stupid enough to believe
that just because they remove themselves, they wouldn't find a
way to still have their money be a part of this,

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because I guarantee you they weren't tossing five dollars into this.
It was quite a lot of money they're probably putting
into this. They'll find another way to get their money
in there, because they clearly want to make inroads with Paramount,
with Warner Brothers on that side of things. Now, China
is a big market. I don't fault Chinese companies wanted
to be involved in this situation because you know, China
has made a lot of money globally, or they've made

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a lot of money with their movies. We've made a
lot of money Americans have with movies going over to China.
So we know that China is like the second biggest, well,
I guess maybe it's the third biggest. India might be there,
so it's probably India China the United States are the
big markets for movies. So I'm not faulting in Chinese
company being involved. It's just that this company has a
lot of nefarious shit behind it that's unsettling. Then you get,

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as I said, twenty four billion from Saudi Arabia's public
investment fund and Kushna who took two billions. So these
are the people that are involved in all of this,
not to mention the Allison's being massive MAGA people. And
we see what Barri Weiss is doing over at CBS,
and you go, that's the test case for what might
be happening here if Paramount gets all of w B.
Now I see some of the some of my colleagues,

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so I respect it and admire some I actually love
that's a really weird thing, but yes, but I see
some of them saying things like, well, I don't you know,
I just want people to work, and I want creatives
to be able to get their shot at doing these things.
There's a bigger picture here. There's a bigger picture here.
And I see some of you say that as well.
And I know I'm not faulting anybody for that. You
believe what you want to believe. But there's a bigger

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picture here that I think people need to be aware of,
and that it's a little more dangerous than you think.
Like Netflix, Okay, fine, they want to close the theatrical
windows a little bit, they want to put movies in
theaters for only a little bit of time. I understand
that that's I'm sure a lot of people upset about that.
We'll address that in a little bit. I'm sure that
people don't like that, and I totally get that, right.
But I think Netflix has at least has at least

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more of an entertainment point of view here than say,
the people who are behind this Paramount bid. This is
unsettling the sea. The kind of nefarious characters with really
questionable ethics and moralities and morality and principles were involved
behind this bid for WB and so. And I see
other people online, certainly people like from the CNBC from

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other places. I went back and forth with someone from
CNBC earlier today, like they're all just saying, like, oh, paramount, Paramount,
it's a done deal. It's a shoe in, don't worry
about it. Well, Trump came out today and said that
he has not chosen aside in all of this. Where's that?
Where's that article? I want to make sure, Yeah, Donald
Trump was it rails against this? There is a Okay,

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there's another one. I don't know where. I guess I
must have not put that link up here to take
a look at it. But let me see if I
can find that, because I want to read what he
said here about the situation and be accurate. Okay from
the New York Times. So just to give a little
background as we lead into this, Ted Serendus, the co

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chief executive in Netflix, made a stealthy visit to the
Oval Office in November, chatting with President Trump as his
company prepared an audacious bid to buy Warner Brothers and HBO.
It went well enough that mister Trump was soon praising
mister Sarandos as quote fantastic and comparing him to the
legendary Hollywood mogul Louis B. Mayer. On Sunday night, David Ellison,

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the chairman of Paramount, which is biding against Netflix, had
his chance to make his case face to face because
Ellison was spotted in the Protestant in the presidential box
with mister Trump at the Kennedy Center Honors ceremony in Washington.
Hours later, Ellison unveil the hostile bid which I just
told you about to block Netflix's acquisition. The presidents are
not supposed to influence the regulars who review major corporate deals,

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but we know that the president and Trump said this
last night that he is going to decide who gets
w B like he literally made it about himself, as
he does with everything, but with the future of the
he was entertainment in industries in the balance. Mister Trump, himself,
a film and TV connoisseur, has broken precedent by placing
himself directly in the middle of the sale here by saying, quote,

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I'll be involved in that decision. That's what he said
on the red carpet at the Kennedy Center Honors, which
ignores the norms that usually go about here with this situation.
And he said. This is what he said about Paramount
and what he said about Netflix when it came to
the WB. This actual quote from last night or today
actually Monday today. He said, none of them are particularly

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great friends of mine, either either Paramounts or Netflix. I
want to do what's right. It's very important to do
what's right. And mister Sarahda's caution that a Netflix win
the president lavish praise on mister Saradas, but also caution
that a Netflix win could quote be a problem. But then,
of course this morning Trump also went after Paramount because

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it's the parent company of CBS for sixty minutes, platforming
Marjorie Taylor Green to complain about Donald Trump, to accuse
a lot of Republicans who support Trump as people who
talk shit about Trump behind his back and only where
the maga hat and kiss his ring in order to
stay in power as politicians, as representatives or senators. MTG

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said all of that, said the quiet part out loud,
revealed all of that there on sixty minutes, and now
Trump has pissed at Paramount and even tweeted out on
truth Social since they bought sixty minutes, it's actually gotten worse,
he added in a post here. And he accused that
the accused the old the current CBS ownership as being
of being as bad as the old CBS ownership. So

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you've got that going so to me, there's a lot
of this madness that's going on here because you have
two very important, serious and powerful men in Ted Sarando's
David Allison who are trying to make this happen, and
of course Larry Elison behind David as well as part
of this. And they've got to play to the whims
of a guy who accepts phony, fake pals and FIFA

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ceremonies without without the FIFA bored approval or fake crowns
when he goes over seats like this is the kind
of thing that is maddening about all of it is
that you can't even be serious about it because you've
got to play to the ego of a president who
turns on a whim. And what you saw recently Trump
welcoming Mamdanni to the White House, he basically threw Cuomo,

(24:26):
Andrew Cuomo and Elisa Stevennik under the bus, who had
been saying that Mamdanni is going to be essentially a despot,
a dictator, ruler, and a support of domestic terrorism. They
said all of that stuff or inferred all of that
stuff in their commentary about Mamdani. And here he is,
Trump is meeting with him, and he's almost like in
all of him, like he's almost like a giddy child.

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If you watch those videos, regardless of what Maggie is
trying to paint that. We saw it with Arna. It's
what he was doing. He's little smiling like he was
in a whole other place with Mamdani. Right. Why is that? Well,
I'll tell you because a lot of people say said
this through the years, I've come to believe it even
more so now, and that is Trump loves a winner.
He doesn't give a fuck if you believe in his ideology.

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He doesn't give fuck if you support him. He likes
a winner, and a winner who comes to the White House,
a winner who goes and visits him. That's the kind
of winner he likes. The fact that Ted Sarandos went
to see him in November and understood, look, we're going
to make a serious bit about this, I think that's amazing.
That is such a smart move to try to play

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to the ego of this president who needs his ego
to be played to in order to get his approval.
So paramount pushing this narrative that they've got a slam
dunk and they'll get it done in twelve months I
think is actually wishful thinking. Because Trump has made very
clear here today, and listen, you take everything Trump says
with a grain of salt. But we're going with what
he says here is that he's not a particular friend

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to either one and so, and he goes because Netflix
had you know, they work with the Obamas, and you
know Trump hates the Obamas, and they work with the Obama.
But Netflix also has the WWE Netflix which is gone
very red state Triple h was at the White House
acting a fool and blowing water out of his mouth
to support everybody through allegedly took steroids about making America

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healthy again. And then on the other and then they
also have to kill Tony programs on Netflix, and those
comics were supporting Trump. You know, Tony Hinchcliffe like was
at that crazy rally at MSG saying all those horrible
things about Puerto Ricans, and so you see that he's
there's a red state angle to Netflix. So this idea
that Netflix is like I saw people say Wope, Flix

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morons and saying all that kind of stuff because they
have no idea what's actually on Netflix program there's a
lot of red state content on Netflix programming if you
do the research and go in there. But there's also
a lot of diversity in Netflix, and that's one of
the reasons that I am in support of the Netflix situation. Now,
I get it. The theatrical windows stuff is certainly troubling,
and certainly today Ted Sarados came out to address that

(26:55):
and said they are going to adhere to the Warner
Brothers model of releasing movies the theaters and honoring those
theatrical windows. He said that now, he said yesterday that
theatrical windows are evolving. Right, He's in support of theatrical movies.
And I think that's not a bad thing. And by that,
I mean, if a movie's not performing, why are you

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forcing it to stay in the movie theaters. It doesn't
make sense, But you can get more attention for the
movie moving it to streaming three weeks after it comes out.
If nobody's going to go see it, like Run the
Running Man. If The Running Man was tanking like dog
shit after two weeks, why would you persist to keep
that in three thousand theaters and pay to keep it
in three thousand theaters and essentially take it as a loss.

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Why not move it over to the streaming service, have
it out there within and people will watch it in
the hundreds and millions. Right now, I know, I get it.
For some of you who are creators or the people
who love creators, it's like, well they're short changed, that
are residuals or short I get that, and that's what
the I think that's the next hurdle is for creatives
to go and work with Netflix. They're going to have
to work out deals that are favorable to what they

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want to do, favorable to what they want to create,
and favorable enough to inspire them to create great art
on Netflix. And I saw some people shitting on Netflix,
and they're absolute dopes. There's a lot of great TV
shows and great movies that have been on Netflix that
rival any service, and the rival almost any studio that

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you're talking about. And remember, fifteen years ago, we were
getting these fucking discs in sleeves. The fact that they
have progressed to this point is absolutely stunning and should
be respected. Also, Ted Sarahus comes from a blue collar background.
His dad was an electrician, his mom was a homemade
This isn't a guy like Ellison who has handed money,

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or like Trump who has handed money to start his
life and spoiled. This is the guy who worked his
way up so he understands the value here and he
understands what the people want. And that's what the greatest
thing is about Ted, and that's why he's been able
to succeeed so quickly, is that he understands the public statetes.
Some people have their finger on the pulse. You could
argue Trump has this gift. I mean, I think there's

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no way he would have got elected twice and lost
to Biden, you know, by a few million if he
didn't have his finger on the pulse of what people want.
And he may not be the people we necessary, it
may not be the things that we want, it may
not the things that we like, but certainly he was
able to capture enough of the of the mainstream to
get him into office twice. And so you look at

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that with Ted. Sarahis Ted Saraus is also a populist.
He's also a man of the people. He understands like, hey, listen,
I get it. People don't want to go to movie
theaters anymore. And they're not and I'm not talking about
somebody who love the seventy millimeters in the IMAX and
there's nothing that replaces a movie theater. You're one hundred
percent right. I'm never gonna say you're wrong on that
because I agree with you. I'm in that camp with you. However,

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I'm also in the camp of reality. I'm also in
the camp of business, and that is, if you look
at the situation here, theaters have been failing because people
aren't going in large numbers anymore because it's too expensive
to go. And some of you go they should just
get AMC A List or they should get Regal similar. Well,
not everybody can do that, Not everybody can afford to
do that, right, are you gonna get it for your
whole family? So then it's another expense every month that

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you're paying one hundred and to say you have a five,
five people family, right, I can't remember how if there's
family discounts order, but like that's probably one hundred dollars
a month to do that every month. There's another expense
you're adding on top of what's going on in your
in your world. Right with AMC A List or Regal,
and it's it's great of them to offer those kinds
of things. I'm on the Regal one, although I feel

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like the AMC List, sorry, AMC A List is better,
but I don't. I don't. I don't like the AMC
there where I live, So I don't have that one.
I prefer the Regal much more, so I keep with
that one. But that's the situation you see going on here,
and so less and less people are going so ted.
Sarah is looking at it and saying, well, we get
to evolve the theatrical window. It doesn't mean that a

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movie's gonna come out. He's gonna be let's spend three weeks.
Fuck you. I know it's making one hundred million dollars
a week, but screw it, we're moving it right to
Apple or right to Netflix. That's not what I think
he's proposing. But I think he's proposing in saying that
evolving is that it's a case by case basis. We
saw that recently with F one with Apple TV. Apple
TV put a streaming a movie that they made for
their streaming service out into the theaters just like they

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would Napoleon. Napoleon crashed and burned, and they moved that
immediately out of the theaters and onto streaming a couple
weeks or a few weeks later. Right F one was
able to stay out longer in the theaters because it
was making money. And so Apple saw the logic, the
financial logic in leaving it out there. I think Netflix
will do the same thing. I think Netflix will see, Okay,

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what do we got here? Where are we going to
go with this? How much is it making? Oh, it's
making sixty million dollars or eight one hundred million dollars
this week, or eighty million dollars, even forty million dollars
this week. All right, we'll keep it in the FETA
a long. Oh it's making thirty Okay, we'll keep it
in the theater longer. And then there's a threshold where
it's like, okay, now it's not making that much, we
can move it to streaming. Warner Brothers just did that

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with Superman. Superman was still in the theaters but was
also an HBO Max and people were saying, like, why
would you do this? This makes no sense. So what happened?
The numbers kept still kept a segment for Superman. They
did not drop considerably, and people got to enjoy it
at home as well. So this is where we're going.
And I get it. I know creatives are gonna get crunched.

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I know it's a shitty situation for creatives right now,
But to persist in some desire to hold a gun
to the head of movie theaters and to the head
of movie studios. To put movies out in theaters where
people stop going for that movie after the second or
third week doesn't make any sense. Why would you keep
putting a movie out there for five people to show

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up on a Tuesday at four o'clock. It doesn't make sense, right,
not anymore, not with the kind of money that theaters
are charging for movies to be screened in their places.
And so to me, I think, and how can I say,
a case by case evolving release window depending on the

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movie makes sense. If they get WB of course they're
gonna put out The Batman right or they're gonna put
up Man of Tomorrow. But they're not gonna be like, Okay,
it's three weeks, toss it in the HBO Max. It'll
be much like what you saw with Apple, where they'll
let it run for a few months and then they
will wait a month and a halfter two months before

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they put it out on streaming. I think that's actually
what they're going to do now with the smaller, the independent,
the medium level, the mid level, the smaller films. I
think absolutely a lot of those are going to go
to streaming because most people are gonna want to sit
home to watch it. You know, I had a debate
last night on my on my Patreon stream, which, by
the way, you can join at patreon dot com. Sized

(33:39):
John Rouca and I do it. I hang out with
them every Sunday night from five to seven, usually five
to six thirty, but it usually bleeds over in seven.
And we were getting into a big debate about whether
the audience over the last few years has been trained
to go to wait for movies to appear on streaming. Well,
I reject the term train and I said this in
our debate back and forth, because training implies a loss

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of a loss of will, like you don't have self determination,
and that is you're somehow removed from making a choice.
That's not what happened. What happened was Covid and I
said this on Movie Talks and on Collider Mailbags, that
Collider has taken all of almost everything that I've ever hosted.

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They've taken off their service because you know, Frosty's got
a bug up his ass about me, and so so
be it. So I can't prove it, but I certainly
said it before I know, I said it before, and
somebody who watched those mail bags remember and movie talks
remember me saying that they were going to that the
audiences were dwindling. More and more people were going to
the movie theaters less and less. There were a lot
of studies that were done there in twenty eighteen twenty

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nineteen about the lack of attendance for moviegoers, for movie
theaters rather by moviegoers, and COVID came along and just
accelerated what was going to happen was already going to happen,
and that is that the public more and more wants
to stay home. And let's be honest. I come from
a time where I watched classic movies on television, great

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movies on television before I ever watched them in the theaters.
I saw The Godfather on a twenty seven inch television,
all right. I saw Lawrence of Arabia on a black
and white twenty inch television in the upstairs bedroom my
parents' house when I was fifteen years old, Like this
is was poor. I couldn't afford a color TV at
that time, and so I've seen so many films on

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TV when we were renting VHS's in blu rays or sorry,
DVDs and VHS's. We were watching great movies at home
on shitty televisions, not even oled flat screen seventy seven inch,
which is what I have now in the living room.
We weren't even having that access to that. We were
seeing it on the boob tube, right, those type of televisions.

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And we saw them in four x three. We saw
We didn't see them in sixty by nine. We saw
them in four x three, you know, Adam Laback, correct
me if that's the actual But we were able to
see those movies and still appreciate their greatness. So this
idea that so many people have nowadays, and especially the
younger critics who are like, no, the movie theater experience,

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it's not like watching it at home. Actually, for a
lot of the medium level and smaller independent films, it
is okay to like watching at home, and it is
okay to watch it at home because the stereo systems,
the TVs themselves, they've gotten so much better. You can
really appreciate four K versions of these movies that they
have available on digital to watch at home. We're on

(36:38):
four K. You can buy the four K. It's extraordinary.
If you've got a good television LGOL, it's some great
deals on them. On Black Friday, you will see an
amazing experience at home and you can home theater systems
have been around for so long, they're just now much
more affordable for regular people to buy and have, and
so you can see those movies at home. And that's

(36:59):
why people are staying home. They weren't trained. They want this,
and Ted Sarahus knows this, which is why Netflix has
blown up and becomes such a massive force in the
world because they Ted knew this is what the public,
with the public were telling him, this is what we want.
If the public was like, no, we're not going to
see this shit until you put it in a theater,

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then studios would have adapted and be like, no, we
need to extend theatrical windows because people want to see
this in a theater. But human beings, but sorry. But
the public nowadays does not. They're quite happy to stay home.
They want to stay home. They don't want to pay
that much to the deal with the traffic, deal with
the parking, and deal with the assholes who go to
movie theaters now, especially the young people sometimes who are
talking through the whole movie. They act like they're sitting

(37:41):
in their living room with their feet up on the
fucking chairs, chomping loudly, talking to themselves, taking selfies, playing
on their games, sometimes with the sound on during a movie.
You see that happen with young people. I've been in
a theater where young people were running from one set
of seats to another in some stupid fucking game they
made up in their hands. And so you see that,
and people don't want to experience that anymore, because the

(38:03):
joy of going to a movie theater gets lost. If
you get one asshole or a bunch of assholes in there,
you just lose, You lose the experience, you know. And
so I think that's the thing that's happening more and
more is people are wanting to stay home. And I
see some people online, of course, lamenting the loss of
the communal experience. There is nothing you can do to
make that come back anymore. Nothing they're not people have.

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People like being home, People like the comfort of being home.
Are there still extroverts who want to run out and
be surrounded by everybody and experience things in a visceral way,
in a crowd and in a game and at a
concert or at a movie theater. One hundred percent. Of
course you all are allowed to do that. But I
think to persist in some stubborn, obstinate way that somehow

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it's all these outside forces that are convincing people to
stay home. You're out of your mind. People do what
they want to do. This is America. People have free will.
And if they want to stay home to watch a
TV show or a movie, guess what. They're gonna fucking
stay home to watch a TV show or a movie.
And then it'll give a shit that you're out here
yelling at them to go to a movie theater. They're

(39:11):
not gonna go. They don't want to go. It doesn't
mean that the movie theaters should go away and see
some people going. Some people said to me last few
is like, you're you're advocating for the death of movie theaters. No,
I'm not. I'm advocating for the truth, for people to
accept the truth and that movie pattern movie going patterns
are changing. And to persist in this obstinate, stubbornness that

(39:32):
they're to be like la la la la la la
la la. You're you're you're just hurting yourself. You know what,
I'm saying. And so what I said on those movie talks,
what I said on those mailbags, is that eventually the
movie going experience will be more expensive because it'll be
like Broadway to go see a play, you got to
pay one hundred and fifty bucks. Why because you're getting
stars who are gonna come out on stage or perform

(39:53):
for you live. And you're there in the in the
in the theater watching a live having a communal experience,
watching these great stars. And so I think what I
had said back in twenty nineteenenty eighteen was that theaters
were going to have to offer better options from the
see movies, higher end options. So like at the time
the ipick was a big deal in Pasadena, and at

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the time that was reclined leather recliner chairs. They brought
you a blanket, they brought you food sometimes it was amazing.
And so that kind of experience is now much more
common in some of the cities around the country and
around the world, probably in experiencing movies. So that's another
way to elevate the experience. IMAX, elevate the experience seventy millimeters,

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elevate the experience this division, elevate the experience, right. I
even went to c F one at a screening at
I think Westfield UTC here in San Diego. They had
seat warmers. I could warm my back or air condition
my back while I watched the movie. Now that I'll
fucking pay extra for. And so I think that's what's

(40:57):
going to happen, is that more and more it's going
to be the event films that are at the theaters
and the smaller, more independent films. They might get a
one or two week or even a three week run
depending on their box office, but then they're gonna go
right to streaming for people to enjoy and watch. And yes,
it means that creatives are gonna get crunch. They're gonna

(41:17):
make less money. The residuals aren't gonna be there. Netflork
is gonna pay up front, or paramoun' is gonna pay
up front, or WB is gonna pay up front, And
that's unfortunately for creators the way it's going. But what
are you gonna do? Are you gonna force the public
to do this? And I see people say, oh, you
can retrain them to wait for the movie. No they won't.
There's a million fucking things for people to watch today

(41:38):
from a million fucking channels. The last thing they're gonna
be like is, oh, I can't see that, well at studio,
please show it in the movies. I'm not gonna do that.
They're gonna move on to the next content. They're gonna
move on to the next thing. There's so much great
content from all these streaming services that are out there
that of high quality, with great actors in them. I'm

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in great directors behind them, that it's not a it's
not a viable plan to all of a sudden studios
go end mass, which is, by the way, collusion to
be like, well, we're not going to show these movies.
We're not gonna put them on streaming for six months.
You've got to come to the theater. Suck it. Guess
what people are gonna call them. People were like, fuck,

(42:20):
y'all wait out six months. What's six months? I'll watch
other shit for six months until that movie comes out.
That's what's going to happen. And then you'll lose money
in the movie theaters. Anyway, And again I'm not saying
movie theaters should go away. I don't think they should
go away. I love going to a movie theater. It's amazing.
Still one of the greatest nights in my life. For
days of my life have been in a movie theater

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with people. But I also understand the reality and that
things are changing and that there will be less movie
theaters because there's less demand for them. We are a
capitalist society. We are a supply and demand society. If
the demand decreases, the supply is going to decrease. That's
how it works. So unless and I see some people
who get upset that tech bros and the CEOs of

(43:02):
these companies, They're not the only ones involved in this.
It's also movie going audiences. And you know, I've been
writing some of these movie going audiences a little hard
the last few months because people need to take responsibility.
People need to see what's going on out there and
stop thinking that they are untouchable in their approach to
movies and they don't ever insult the moviegoers or don't

(43:24):
ever call out the movie goers. Fuck off, man. We're
all able to be called out, just like those CEOs
and those executives are going to be called out, so
so are moviegoers. Right, And if moviegoers aren't going, then
they're not going to keep putting movies in movie theaters.
That's just how it works. If a team keeps being

(43:44):
shitty every year and people stop showing up, that team
is going to move or sell to a new owner
that's going to try to revive its fortunes. But if
it doesn't, they're going to move. You know, that happened.
That's happened with a number of teams over the years,
and a numbrous numerous sports leagues. And so that's the

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thing at the end of the day, right, what happened
with Zack Snyder's situation. Zack Snyder did the movies, didn't
make the money the WB was hoping they were going
to make, and they move Snyder out. If you don't
make money, people are going to move you out. That's
the game. And so when I look at all of this,
my heart breaks for the creatives who are out there

(44:26):
trying to pursue their dreams to be filmmakers and all
of that. But some people have gone on this thing
of like, well, you're removing the ability of creators to create. No,
if you really want to be a creator, you'll figure
it the fuck out. And by that I mean you'll
figure out where to put your stuff. You'll figure out
how to put it in your stuff. It's supposed to

(44:47):
be difficult, it's supposed to be hard. It's not supposed
to be doors open. Come on in and do everything
you want to do. No, you got to earn. In
my opinion, you got to earn your spots. You got
to take the lips loops, you got to take the
hits to get to where you want to get to.
And yes, some people will make it and some people don't.
I didn't have the strength to keep doing it as
an actor. It was after twenty years of not being

(45:09):
able to accomplish things I wanted to accomplish. I realized
it wasn't for me. I saw myself up on the
screen in a movie and I was like, you know what,
maybe I don't belong there anymore, and I'm okay, let's
figure out what I'm gonna do next. It actually was
peaceful for me. Not not saying people need to give up,
but I'm just saying you all have a right to
pursue what you want to pursue, but to think all

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the doors should be open for you and you shouldn't
have to struggle to achieve it. You're out of your mind,
and look, some of you won't. Some of you will
find the right mixture of luck and talent and you'll
get through that door. But most people will have to
struggle and suffer. And look at Ria Seahorn, who has
been acting since the nineteen eighties or early nineties, I think,
and she now just now from breaking from a Bettercallsault

(45:54):
and Pluribus. She has now becoming a household name. Got
nominated for a Golden Global Critics Choice, I think it was.
But that's how it goes, you know. And so my
heart breaks for the creatives that are going to lose
out on our sidiers, lose out on money. My heart
breaks for the unions. And I saw the Teamsters union
came out today to try to log their protest about

(46:17):
the merger with WB and Netflix, and I totally respect
that people are gonna lose jobs, people a gonna lose money.
I get it. Even though Warner Brothers is saying that
they're not going to lay off anywhere near the number sorry,
Netflix is saying that they're not going to lay off
near the number of Warner Brothers employees. That paramount will
who can say? Who knows how it's all going to
go down. But I know that there's going to be

(46:39):
consequences to the situation. But the situation is not is unstoppable.
What are you going to force Warner Brothers to be
independent and sit there like, no, make your movies, no
make your TV shows. It's America, man. If they want
to sell, they should be allowed to sell, as simple
as that. I get the anti trust lawsuits. I get

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Elizabeth Warren who now played both sides because she came
out against Paramount getting WB today after coming out against
Netflix the day before, which is or on Friday, which
is what Jeff and I said on the hot mic
that she was or on Thursday. I guess, I said,
Jeff and I said on the hot mic that she
was going to play both. So, oh no, it was
it Monday? No, No, was it? It was Friday? Friday? Sorry,
Friday because we did that emergency episode. And so you know,

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that's the thing that you see happening now and it's
going to be And it's not bipartisan. Christian said that
this morning. I respect Christon of course greatly, but it's
not bipartisan that like it's bipartisan against definitely skintning WB. No,
it's bipartisan all around. The only really bipartisan thing is
that a majority of the people, whether Republicans or Democrats,
don't want w B to sell. That's the one thing

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that is actually bipartisan support is they don't want WB
to sell. But in the end, Zazov was brought in
to sell WB. And it was David Allison who launched
this audacious bid thinking that instead of taking his time
like a guy you know who can't seem to keep
it in his pants, he had to go, I gotta

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get Paramount. I'm not gonna read to Warn Brothers. Instead
of let's let's sit for a little bit of Paramount,
Let's build up Paramount and let's see who we got. No,
there was the opportunity to go get Warner Brothers and CNN,
and we can push our mag ideology on CNN. We could,
we could skew the movies to push our mag ideology
in their characters and in their storylines and all of that.

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And that's what to me, I think that is what
is one of the reasons behind their desire to buy
all of it, is they want to control Hollywood and
push the right wing red state message through the content
that they're gonna pump out. That's what I think is
a massive part of this whole situation. Whereas Netflix is
a bit more in the middle, having Red State and
Blue State on it next day red Netflix has some

(48:46):
of the most diverse content. They don't bow to the
people who are anti woke. They tell them to fuck off,
and they do what they want to do uh with
their content, and they make it as diverse as they
want to make it. Gay shows, Warren shows, shows from
countries where Americans are supposed to not like stuff from
those countries. Those are all here on Netflix. There is

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so much to see movie wise or TV wise from
all over the world, and there's a lot of diversity.
Spanish shows, oh the sorry, Latina led shows, black lead shows,
white led shows, women led shows, women of color led shows,
men of color led shows. There are all kinds of
shows like that all over Netflix. But there's also Red
state content. So when David Ellison is out there at

(49:27):
CNBC this morning going like, we're here for the middle,
we want to talk to the seventy percent of the
middle people, you're lying through your teeth. Man. We know
you're a maga guy, we know you want to go
to the red state route. We know that's why you
want CNN to control the narrative, just like Barie Weiss
is doing at CBS, which is disgusting in corrupt a spot.
We know that's what you want to do. So don't

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come out here and try to tell us that you're
trying to take care of the middle. Netflix is the middle.
Paramount is Paramount under Ellison is not the middle, you know, Cee.
CBS is not the middle. What they're doing is not
the middle. And so this the thing where you see
what's going on, you know, hosting a town hall with
the wife of the sadly assassinated Charlie Kirk, that's not

(50:10):
the middle. That's definitely leaning towards the red maga, playing
to that base. And so this is where the difference lies.
And that's why I'm going That's why I support Netflix
getting WB. If anyone's going to get w B right,
I support Netflix getting WB. I don't think Universal. I
think Universal would fumble the ball. That's why don I'm
not behind the Comcast situation. But Netflix makes more sense,

(50:31):
you know, and I think I think people need to
give it a shot, and I think people need to
be patient to see what they do, because so many
people think they know what Ted Sarah is going to
do based on past comments. The man is running a
business that supports that promotes streaming. What is he going
to say, like, oh, yeah, I know we do streaming content,
but I wish we did movies. Movies are great, you know,

(50:51):
and don't come subscribe to us go see movies. That's
not what he's gonna fucking do. His job is to
promote Netflix and promote streaming, and promote people subscribe to
Netflix by saying it's a better experience than going to movies,
by saying that certain movies if they showed on Netflix
would be just as big as they were in the theaters.
That's all talk, business talk to get people to sign

(51:11):
up to Netflix. He doesn't really believe some of the
stuff he says. This is all just stuff he's saying
to get people to subscribe to Netflix. That's his job
as the CEO of Netflix. He's not gonna say, well,
you know, it's cool to see movies on my service,
but no, you should really go to the movie theaters.
Like he's not gonna do that. That doesn't make sense
business wise, and I'm sure the board, and the people

(51:32):
who support Netflix in terms of the money they put
into Netflix would not appreciate him promoting something else other
than Netflix that people could spend their money on. You know,
that's business. And so I see people like taking his
comments and going like fuck this guy, and it's like,
that's his job. You know, it's no different just like
some of you influencers who are out there, like you're

(51:54):
promoting certain things because you've been paid to promote certain things.
You may not actually believe three quarters of the shit
you're saying, but that check cleared, so you gotta say.
It's no difference, you know. So I think that's the
situation that people don't seem to understand about Netflix. He's
saying these things because that was his job to say
those things, and now he's saying different things because he

(52:15):
wants to he wants this sale to go through with
WB and he's saying, I'm going to keep movies in theaters.
I'm going to have theatrical windows, and people like, I
don't believe hi because the Stubby said in the past,
well Stuffy said in the past was to support the
fact that he was in charge of a streaming service
and wanted to get as many people as possible to subscribe,
and guess what, it fucking worked. They are a kaiju
in the streaming business compared to all these little sons

(52:37):
of Godzilla's that are hanging out on Monster Island that
don't compare it to Netflix. So you're gonna argue with
his tactics, You're gonna argue with his ideology, You're gonna
argue with his approach to things when he's been this successful.
Doesn't make sense. Doesn't make sense to me. All right,
I think I've been talking for a whole hour. Uh,
thank you everybody who's who's been in here dealing with

(52:58):
me talking for a while, will get two hundred of
people if you all hang it out with us. Go
like says, what do is it? So messers a hun come?
South Park is a lot on Paramount, though, I'll tell
you why, because they make millions of dollars for Paramount,
So Paramount plugs their nose and does the deal with them.

(53:20):
That's why. Uh. And if south Park started losing numbers
or started losing money, I guarantee you Paramount would ice
would acts that show immediately. Emediately right. And that's the
situation there with with with south Park, and listen, that's business,
that's Hollywood business. You can have any kind of point

(53:42):
of view you want, and if you make money, you're
going to find a home. Even if those people at
the home you you found yourself in don't support you
ideologically or politically, you're going to be able to stay
around because you make money for them. That's how it works,
you know, exactly, show me the money. Yeah, and south

(54:04):
Park gets the free pass because of that, for sure.
But I mean, if you were to put the Acolyte
on paramount, I guarantee you, I guarantee you after the
first two or three episodes, I wouldn't have been surprised
if they in pair amount of canceled and not even
air the rest of the episode. So you know, these
are the things. You can have whatever point of view
you want. But if you but if you don't make money,

(54:27):
they're not going to keep supporting you or putting you
on their airways. That's just how it works, you know.
So there you go, all right, let's see here, what
have we got? We got some super testent have come through.
I don't know if any stream labs that come there.
I got a few of those, So let's say, let's
hit some of those before we move on to the
Golden Globes and Critics' choice stuff. Let's see here Dennis
Haff and thank you, Dennis. I love the new cutt Dennis,

(54:48):
the new haircut. Yes, love the truth, John, keep it comming.
Thank you, Dennis. I appreciate that. I will Jay Scotti,
freal have you seen Mental Family? I did heartbreaking out.
I'm gonna do a run of reviews over the next
few days. I'm going to stack them like three or
four on one video because I want to get a
lot of reviews out there for the stuff that is
being nominated before it removed, it moves itself off the

(55:10):
Critics' Choice out because I want to rewatch a lot
of these movies and do reviews from there. Made me
cry a few times, but in a good way. Definitely
more my speed than the whale. That's fair. I respect that, surely. Yeah,
It's much more uplifting than the whale, even though the
whale is to me. I loved the whale. I thought
it was beautiful and glorious, especially someone like me who
struggled with his way to majority of his life. I

(55:30):
really found myself falling in love with that movie. But
I know Rental Family was devastating and gorgeous, and I
understand that and much more uplifting. And I understand that
as well. John Wallace forty five fifty nine says, you
are my escape tonight. My wife is watching the Eagles
game now, and if I even breathed near her, I'm
kicked out of the room. He respect and no respect.

(55:56):
I was born in Philly, but I'm not an Eagles
fan because I was raised in Virginia, so I became
a Washington football fan, and so hear but I hear you.
I know what it's like to be around. I have
a bunch of friends who are Eagles fans here and
there in LA and I've watched games with them, and
it is always a tense atmosphere, even amongst friends. So

(56:16):
I can't even imagine being with your partner who's a
massive Eagles fan and is temperamental if you say anything wrong.
Dennis Hoffen says, not a fan of this deal, but
I understand for WB. Does this motivate Sony Universal to
try to fill the assumed WB theaterle Also does Netflix
even promote movies WB are tops. Well, that's a fair point.

(56:37):
I think with the last line there, Netflix is not
really known for being for spending a lot of money
promoting their movies. I think that'll change if the Netflix
WB thing gets approved, which is probably not another twelve months,
not for another twelve months. And of course we still
got the split coming in twenty twenty six with the

(56:57):
TV sides on one side of the movie sides on the other.
But I think that's the situation when you look at it,
and is that you have to accept the fact that
Netflix doesn't do a lot of promotion. So I think
that would have to change for sure. I think Netflix
would have to make some changes and be able to
put that in motion a lot better. We'll see if
that actually goes down. And what you said there about
Sony Universal trying to fill the assumed WV theater hole,

(57:18):
that's exactly what will happen, And that happens all the
time in Hollywood. As soon as a void pops up
in Hollywood, a company or a studio or a creative
or a production comes in to fill that void. Now,
I've seen that happen numerous times over the year staph
for decades in the years of Hollywood. It is rare
that a void pops up and remains a void in Hollywood.

(57:39):
A twenty four is coming on strong. They've taken in
more money to try to go after bigger films, and
that's a possibility could fill the void focus features and
then also prime videos now trying to do more. Right.
They got James Bond, they got these ips. They're going
to fill this. So there's a lot that's going on
here that is going to fill the void of a

(58:02):
Netflix WB merger. And listen, let's tell the truth. Two
years ago, it was Netflix buying WB. First of all,
it would be for way less and second of all,
people might be on board with it because it would
mean that Netflix would be putting in fusion of cash
into WB and helping WB grow and get better or
save WB from bankruptcy, you know, because they were not

(58:25):
doing well. And so you see that. So it's amazing
two years make a difference to you, especially over the
last twelve months the string of hits the WB has
had that has changed the narrative about the situation. So yeah,
fantastics as I see in the near future, if the
bid goes overwritten to paramount they will ask for a
government bailot because they're quote too big to fail. I

(58:47):
would not be surprised. I would not be surprised. I'm
just curious the Cushner side of all of this. I'm curious, like,
is Trump playing both sides and in the end he's
going to go with Paramount or does he really mean
that both sides have been not great to him? So
you know he's it's gonna be who's gonna have to
who's gonna curry favor more with him? That's the I

(59:08):
wonder what the situation is because is this all just
appearances and then in the end he's gonna go with
Paramoun because of Kushner's son in law being involved, or
is Kushner being involved here because you know he's got
the money to spend. Could be an interesting way to
go down. And it's all business, and you know Trump's
about the business, right, And yes he plays favorites, Yes
he puts his fingers on the scale, but he is
about business and he respects business. So just because Kushner

(59:31):
wants to make the deal doesn't mean Trump will do
it necessarily. Look how he's tuning his kids in the
past when they've tried to go toe to toe with him,
he steps on them and crushes them. It's exactly what
if you watch that Vince McMahon documentary he did the
Shape and so and a little bit to Stephanie. These
guys don't have the same kind of connection that a
Norman Walkwell father and son or parent child have. They're

(59:56):
much more ruthless and they're more willing to step on
their families faces if they don't come correct, and it
doesn't guarantee that they'll go with their family. So, you know,
because what does you want Kushner to get even more
power and somehow rival him for attention in the family.
I don't think trouble with you with that at all,
well at all, Alan Smith, you don't worry. I'm keeping

(01:00:16):
thirty five millimeter projection alive. I know you are. Smith.
I appreciate you doing that. It's very kind of you.
I know you're amazing in that department. That boy, thank you,
that boy for the superstick. Appreciated brother Simon section eleven seventieses.
I'm with you, John. I remember watching classic movies on
videotape at the library in my college, such as On
the Waterfront, godfather too. What's a time in America? The truth?

(01:00:37):
I agree with you, Bro, I did the same thing
I used to I was. I worked at a TV
station in Charlottesville, Virginia, w NBC twenty nine in Charlottesville, Virginia.
I was the overnight master control operator. What does that mean, Well,
it means I put the commercials in. Back in the
old days, you couldn't. You couldn't digitally program them to
come in. You had to take the tapes. You had

(01:00:59):
to put them in on it, hit the button to
run right at the commercial break when when infomercial or
whatever old show was showing at three in the morning.
That's what I would do. I did that for a year,
working overnight, four nights a week, ten hours a shift.
It was the most insane experience I've ever had because
I am not an overnight person. I am a night

(01:01:20):
owl and I am an early morning riser. I only
need five or six hours of sleep to exist to
function in a twenty four hour day. But even I
was getting pushed the limit working overnight. Just to stay awake,
I had to drink. I had to bring a two
liter bottle of cola and a bag of jelly beans,
and that's what my sugar intake was for a majority

(01:01:42):
of the nights. Now at the time, I was still
running and working out lifting weights and so I could
burn all that shit off. But like I was doing
that to stay awake, stay alive. It was I think
it was in my late twenties. I did that for
a year. Charles will live with Maurice, my best friend
there and so and I would go over to the
library at UVA at Uva Charles wil Virginia, Uva and

(01:02:04):
I would sit there and rent movies on my days
off and just watch movies all day. I had a
friend of mine who had just graduated film school at
that TV station, and he was very kind because I
never went to film school. I studied film later at
Florida State. But he was very kind to create curate
a list of great films for me to watch. And
sometimes it was themes, sometimes it was directors, sometimes it

(01:02:27):
was actors. And I saw Louis Bounuel movies, Kurosawa movies,
Felini movies, Antonio Nini movies, and then I also saw
a lot of movies from foreign countries that were about
a certain theme or a certain approach, And then I
would go through the afilist and watch movies from the
AFI list there some of them on LaserDisc, that's old,

(01:02:49):
I am, some of them on Blu ray, and some
of them on DVD. And guess what, if the movie
was good, it still got me sitting in a wooden
cubicle next to a bunch of other cubicles in an
uncomfortable chair with headphones on. So a movie is good

(01:03:10):
if it's If a movie is good, it doesn't matter
where you show it. People will enjoy it. People watch
movies on the plane and are and become utter emotional
messes because the movie is good. This idea that needs
to be on a seventy millimeter screen for you to
really appreciate a great movie, I think is utter nonsense.
It's a way to add to your appreciation. But you

(01:03:31):
can appreciate a movie watching it on a fucking airport
push airport seat monitor. So to me, that's the way
I look at things. You know, I've had too much
experience of enjoying great movies on small screens. Aracks ninety six.
As America is in decline, modern conservatives, still unhappy after winning,
are unreasonable. They criticized messages in films, yet push at

(01:03:53):
conservative message themselves. Thanks Jean for speaking out. Oh yeah, bro,
the hypocrisy from the right side of things, from the
anti woke fuck are is hilarious. These are the same
people that go like, well, bring back the white people.
I want white people in charge and the lead of
white people need to be the lead of everything, or
they hide behind this bullshit. Just tell me a good story,

(01:04:13):
make sure a white person is the lead, but tell
me a good story. Nonsense, fucking nonsense, because guess what.
There are a lot of shitty movies and TV shows
led by white people, and yet they keep getting opportunities.
One black person or a couple of black people have
bad TV shows. A man, we don't need to be
we don't need to have woke shit, missus woke shit.
It's like, what the fuck man? So unfortunately, because white

(01:04:35):
people are the majority in entertainment and white people enjoiny
of the country, this is the kind of thing you
encounter that white people are allowed to fail at larger numbers
than people of color or women of color or women
or bene of color or LGBTQ plus people or people
with disabilities. Those people have to come correct, They have
to bring it every time. It better be amazing. You know,

(01:04:56):
remember what happened X Men ninety seven. All those anti
woke fuckers like the Monkeys and a Zoo were on
top of each other throwing shit at the wall, going like.

Speaker 2 (01:05:03):
They made Chameleon a transactual transit. Goddamn it, What the
hell he likes both men and women? What the fuck
the woverine ain't gay? That ain't my wolverine, goddamnit?

Speaker 1 (01:05:15):
And all this shit and why is it storm or
why is it all this cry baby shit? Then next
Man ninety seven comes out and kicks them in the
fucking nuts with its greatness and shuts them the fuck up.
And that's what happens, right if you unfortunately, you have
to bring it at that level to shut those voices
up at least about your project because they're gonna move
on to another project. And started crying and complaining because

(01:05:36):
they got a grift. They got a grift. They gotta
make their money. They got to concoct shit they're offended about,
just like MAGA does so they can make their money.
So you know, I put I give two shits two
cents about what they think but yes, the hypocrisy there
is always just stunning to witness, right, just like a
watching Laura ingram Lebron shut up and dribble. Aaron Rodgers

(01:05:57):
supports Maga. Aaron Rodgers is a great man. He should
keep speaking out on stuff. It's the hypocrisy of it,
all right. I saw Kennedy the mtvv Jan Kennedy on
Fox News being hypocritical as fuck with her points of views.
No matter how bigger glasses are, she can't seem to
see what the fuck she's actually Uh what the ship
that she's shoveling out there? You know? Uh? Fantastics is played?

(01:06:19):
Playtus uh Ko played this Kaiju metaphor? Which streamer is
play this Kaiju metaphor? Which streamer is? Gamera? Uh? Prime Video?
I would say Prime Video is Gamera. Yeah, like MGM
plus is like the son of Godzilla, like the little

(01:06:41):
guy blowing the holes? Uh, but yeah, I think Kamara
is probably a Prime video because King Kong is is
uh probably Disney right or Apple? Well, Apple is Apple's
more like Rodan, right. Apples more like that they're gonna

(01:07:05):
show up when they want to show up. They're bringing
to the way who's Who's. Yeah, yeah, I think that's
what it would be. I think it's I think that's
the correct thing. But somebody correct me on that if
you think it's different kJ seven four seven. It's good,
seem Boddy seven four five. It's a fact that fans
are going to the movies. Last, can you name some
of your worst movie theater experiences? Well, can you be specific,

(01:07:25):
like in terms of uh, in terms of getting into
it with people. I've had that happen a few times.
I mean, you know, and the outlo. I never instigate.
I never instigate. I just have one of those energies
that people sometimes take things in a certain way. I
can't remember. Yeah, I'm gona take a shrink because I've

(01:07:46):
been talking straight from now. I remember years ago when
I went to see the somebody you've heard this story.
I don't know some of you heard this story. But
years ago, when I went to see The Great and
Powerful Oz with James Franco, I went with an old

(01:08:09):
friend of mine, Edgar and who we're not friends anymore,
but we were friends at the time, and with my
girlfriend at the time, her name was Jamie Jane, and
we were going to see the movie they we had
gone in early and got middle seats in a row,

(01:08:31):
and I went to go get Recie's PCs, and when
I came back, this guy was trying to force Edgar
and Jamie Gan to move down three seats so that
him and his family could come and sit there in
the middle. And I'm like, no, bro, we got here first.
We're going to keep the middle. You can move to
the left or right, but we're going to keep the middle.

(01:08:54):
And he got all upset. And I think this was
a husband trying to like show off for his wife
and child or whatever. And I was like, listen, Pale,
we got here first. We have a right to stay
here if we don't want to move. I at the time,
I liked sitting in the middle. I was young, I
didn't have to piss so much, so I didn't mind
sitting in the middle. So I wanted to sit in
the middle because to me, I was such a movie

(01:09:14):
snob that to me, I had that was the only
way to truly see the movie is to sit in
the middle and have the movie play out for you
exactly in the middle. I mean, I was so anal
that I would like measure out where I sat and
some of you are like this, it will laugh at me.
Some of you were like and so I would have
to visit. So when I sat in the middle, I
knew exactly what I was, what I was doing. So
I got into it with the guy, got upset, his

(01:09:35):
wife got involved. Try yeah, and it got verbal and
it almost got physical. And of course both my girlfriend
at the time and my friend at the time were
like sinking into their chairs because they were they were
embarrassed by and then you know, rightfully so, but to
me it was important at the time, and so I
was like, you came in late. You don't get to
dictate where you sit, you know, And so that could

(01:09:56):
happen sometimes. But worst movie going theen experiences. Yeah, I've had,
as I said, had those kids run around in the theater.
I sat next to an influencer couple at a Gladiator
two screening in San Diego. It was packed. I was
in the middle seats in the press row. These people

(01:10:18):
were pressed. These two twenty year olds were pressed in
their fucking juicy sweatpants. And the guy was talking all
through the movie because the girl hadn't seen Gladiator and
he was like giving her all the information loudly, and
I was going insane, And then he went out twice

(01:10:40):
to go get them food from the refreshment stand. The
second time, they brought ICs and they drank their icies,
and as they got to the end of their icies,
they were doing that slurping thing loudly two or three
times while after they drank all the ice. So it
was like that loud ass noise. And finally one of
the movie critics, my fellow movie critics and the door

(01:11:01):
was like, guys, can you keep it down a little bit?
And the dude's like, keep it down. Why don't you
tell me to keep it down. I'll eat you outside
of the theater. We'll see how much I can keep
it down. And I was like, really, this is what
we're fucking doing. So as soon as he said that,
I got up and walked out, And you know why,
because I was this close to going like, let's you
and I go fucking outside right now, because it was
just so I was so upset, but I don't want

(01:11:22):
to get into a physical confrontation with somebody because the
salt battery charge go to jails. No, it's not over
a fucking movie. It doesn't make sense. So to me,
I was like, I'm not enjoying the experience. I'm gonna
go to I'm gonna go see it in the movie
theater by myself then and I left right and uh.
I went saw it the next day, did it out
of theater reaction because they had a second screening for it.

(01:11:43):
But he was just like he it was so insane
to me, how disrespectful he was in the movie theater.
When I went to see Ferrari, I had an old
man snoring through the whole movie. The whole fucking movie.
He snored, people trying to wake him up three or
four times, went right back to sleep. It's a mayora.
He paid for his ticket. He's got a right to
sit there and fall asleep. Ibe once. We just have

(01:12:04):
to deal with it. This is the kind of madness
that you deal with sometimes when you go to movie
theaters with people. They have no respect, you know. So
that's some of the worst movie theater experiences, some of them.
I've got more. Trust me, I've got more because I've
gone to the movie so many times, I'm bound to
have like some insane movie theater experiences, and that certainly

(01:12:24):
a few of them. Fran Tessa's platus was supposed to
be great auto correct, oh great kaiju metaphor oh thank you?
Which streamer is gonna be? Okay, So that's what you're
trying to say. Thank you, Fred, appreciate that a lot.
Let's see, let me get to these stream LPs and
then we'll move on to other business. I'm too fly
Cams's thoughts on Nick quent as growing in popularity. It

(01:12:45):
seems the right is openly racist and embracing Nazis now.
Pierce Morgan had him on and this kid ran circles
around him for two hours. Dangerous days ahead. This nut
job is modern day Republicans now. Thanks. Yeah, I mean
I don't watch too much of stuff. I've seen him
in clips on TikTok, and yes, you're right, he can
run rings around people. Smart kid. Whether you like his

(01:13:08):
message or not, and certainly I do not, the kid
is smart. He knows how to play this game, and
he knows how to appeal to the younger generation and
their DJF attitude about everything. They don't worry about anything.
For the most part, what I experienced from younger people
is nothing's a big deal and nothing's a small deal.

(01:13:29):
It's all just kind of the same. And it's a
fascinating thing. It's a fascinating attitude because like for the
last few generations, we have started to explode or expose
the fallacy of the American dream. Right. Started in the
kind of fifties and sixties. Seventies were the protest against
systemic racism and systemic sexism. The eighties were this respite

(01:13:55):
where people were caught up in you know, money and excess.
For the first time the country alone had money, and
people were buying things and selling things, and they were
just going for the wealth. The yuppie culture, right, and
then the nineties came around, yet a gangster culture, gangster
rap yet all this kind of the harder edge stuff, right,
and with the professional wrest in the attitude era, this

(01:14:17):
idea of the gray I'm gonna say this, the protagonist
that was a grayer protagonist, not black or white gray.
So I had some darker tendencies, but always trying to
do good, but use some dark, nefarious tactics to achieve
its goodness. Right in the two thousands, we had a
kind of a time. We were progressing to a place

(01:14:40):
where we were uh embracing sexuality, a bit more and
being open with that and embracing that and having pride
in that and talking about that and not and trying
to remove the kink and the shame of that. And
of course the also the the LGBTQ plus culture becomes
big in the two thousands and so it's about like
diversity and openness and all this kind of stuff. But

(01:15:00):
for the last fifteen years that has changed, where now
the new generation is much more prudish. They don't give ash,
they don't want to see nudity on screen, they're not
as sexually motivated. And as a but as a retort
to that, the older generation is now like coming after
the younger generation because they're the ones who are like,
give me back my nudity, give me back my thist,

(01:15:22):
back my sex and all this kind of stuff. And
so what you see now is the younger generations are
in a different place about everything, and they have gone
even further into looking at the hypocrisy and the fallacy
of the American dream and the American society. Nick Fuetes
in a way represents that from the right side point
of view, from the right point of view, because to him,

(01:15:45):
even Donald Trump is fodder for what I mean, he's
been going after Trump if you've seen some of those,
cause he's going after Trump like because he doesn't care.
He's going to go after where he's going to go
after no matter what. And people have doxed him, people
have come after and people put his addresses online. He
doesn't care, going uh, And he's growing in power because
what people respect is a DGAF attitude twenty four to seven,

(01:16:08):
and people people like that, people gravitate to that. People
see power in that. Right. So it's like the old
generation sees power in Trump just being like, fuck everything
and I'm gonna do what I want. The younger generation
sees power at d GAF, which is that kind of
thing of like nothing's a big deal, it's all it
is all cool, and they're gonna do what they want

(01:16:29):
to do, and oh, you want me to wear it tied?
Fuck you, I'm gonna wear a tie. Why do I
gonna wear a tie? I gotta wear a tie show
to play some kind of game with you because of
society says, I don't even shit, And so you see that.
That's what's going on. Quentz represents that, you know, even
though he even though he wears a suit jacket. It's
like a suit jacket is too big for It's that
kind of subtle commentary about the expectations of society. It's

(01:16:51):
his way of thumbing his nose at the expectations of society.
And he has made a massive market out of that,
you know. And so I mean, I actually do not
like obviously because he's he's a white supremacist. I'm not
a fan of the the dialogue, but I also objectively
can't deny the fact that he has found a niche
and he has found a lot of people to follow

(01:17:12):
him into that niche. Uh. Sam's his thoughts on this
year's college football PLAYFF and who do you think will
win this year? Uh? I thought that the people that
got in were supposed to get in. I think the
drum beat for note you name to join a conference.
I think this is the biggest indicator that they need
to join a conference, because dancing outside of the conference
is if you're better than everybody else, that does eventually

(01:17:36):
catch up to you, if your record is a bit shaky,
and in the end, the record is a bit shaky.
So I don't mind, and I love that Tulane and
James Madison got in, especially because my best friend is
a graduate of James Madison, uh and so I'm excited
to see what they can do. Who knows, James Madison,
if they pull the upside in Oregon, who knows what
could happen. I mean, You've got you've got a ole
miss team with a with without laying Kevin as a coach,

(01:17:57):
you have a a some shaky teams in there, defensively
or offensively, so anything can happen. Upsets are going to
be the norm in this particular college football playoff. I
think in the end, Ohio State is too strong to
be denied, but Georgia is coming on, and if Georgia
has figured their shit out, George Ohio State is an

(01:18:20):
exciting final, but so is Indiana. I still don't one
hundred trust Indiana, but they can run the table and
win this whole thing, and they will be one of
the biggest powerhouses of the last twenty years if they
run the table, because they are they are pounding people,
they kick the shit out. I don't know they beat
Ohio State, but they they really manhandled Ohio State for

(01:18:42):
majority of that game. So I think it's going to
be interesting to see what all, how it all goes down,
fran TASiS. Thank you Jay Rogan for speaking the truth.
The more I think about the Netflix purchase, the more
I'm okay with it. Watching the box office results won't
be a big deal because Netflix movie releases aren't tracked
because is not crucial to their revenue model. That's for sure.
That's for sure. It's one hundred percent for sure by
the man. So we will see how that all goes down.

(01:19:05):
But yeah, I appreciate you coming, you know, kind of
seeing it from my side. You don't have to agree
with me, but you know, I'm just trying to convey
a point of view about this whole situation that isn't
necessarily the doom and gloom chicken little point of view
you've seen from some of my colleagues online and some
of the people like Josh Over Dennon nerds who were
like swinging from paramounts dick about having them get WB.

(01:19:28):
You know, it's not a given in any way, shape
or form. Let's see here, Oh dog, what's up? Dog?
Good to see man, he says, Hey, Rocca, what year
do you think those anti woe YouTube channels become more
mainstream became more mainstream. I felt it was in twenty
fifteen when Trump came into the political scene. Do you
think they'll fade away after Trump passes? Well, I think yes,

(01:19:49):
possibly they I think it maybe it was twenty fifteen.
I think it was a little bit. I think it's
twenty seventeen, twenty eighteen when I started to really see
that that was a big deal because being a colle
especially well maybe even after that, because it wasn't until
after it was like twenty twenty one, twenty twenty two
that I really saw some people change, you know, and

(01:20:15):
and I wasn't even aware of some of those channels
until I started going out on my own, you know,
when when certain people came after me, I was like,
who the fuck are these people? Like? I had no
idea who they were. And then I looked it up
and I was like, oh, wow, they got a big following.
What is their content? Oh, it's a lot of hateful shit.
I was like, well, I guess that sells, but I
certainly didn't know it was it. So I think it
started growing in about twenty seventeenty eighteen, and then twenty

(01:20:38):
twenty two, twenty three is when it really kind of
just hit its peak. I think there's less of them now,
or at least I don't see them as much now
because the market is saturated with same kind of channels
just spewing the same kind of stuff, saying the same
kind of things. And I truly believe that people only
have so much room in their heart for hate and

(01:20:58):
watching hate, and they're not going to go to like
forty different channels, most of them, to see the same
message over and over again about the woke mind virus
and all of that nonsense. Do you think, though, fade
away after Trump passes? I don't know, to be honest
with you, Uh Trump, I don't think. I think the

(01:21:19):
only thing that fades away legitimately when Trump passes is
the MAGA movement. And I think we've seen this a
number of elections now recently, Like if Trump isn't on
the ballot, Magan Republicans don't win usually, And so that
tells you that's the power of personality. And I think
no one has the power to step in after Trump
that has that same kind of personality. Not Jamie Vance,

(01:21:40):
not Christy nom, not fucking Hexath. None of those guys
have the Trump personality. And so it's a unique, it's
a one of one, and when he goes, I think
that's where that movement fractures. We're already seeing it fracture. Today.
One of the reporters who covers The Hill said that
twenty Republicans are going to retire this week. Twenty. That

(01:22:02):
is an absolute shot at the leadership of the Republican Party.
And that's MAGA and Trump. MTG was the beginning, but
you're gonna see more Anapaulina Luna starting out to speak
out against him. Valentina Gomez, who was that nutty racist
down in Texas. Trump didn't support her, So now she's

(01:22:25):
talking shit about Trump on her video. So it's like,
this is what you're gonna get is they're going to
eventually eat each other. That's what hate does, no matter
what they say about their for America. No, it's hate
that they're spewing. And hate must be fed constantly, and
so you have to keep creating things all this. Now
it's the Somali immigrants, and now it's this and that.
Now it's the Afghanistanians who came over never mind who's

(01:22:46):
trained by the CEA, and it's all that shit, and
it feeds hate and more and more of the hate
that gets fed. Eventually the hate has to turn on
itself and start eating itself. And that's what you're seeing
now is a magis the beginnings of a MAGA civil
war that are going on between these people, and they're
going to eventually gobble themselves up. Now. I don't think
it's gonna happen on YouTube, because I just think what's

(01:23:08):
gonna happen is as as people have less and less
tolerance for hate full channels, you're gonna see those people
pivot and claim it's a natural evolution of my mindset,
which means I need to make more. I need to
make the money I was making, so I'm gonna embrace this.
Look what Megan Kelly did. Megan Kelly tried to use
sexual assault survivors and victims to save her NBC show, uh,

(01:23:31):
and then she became irrelevant. And it wasn't until she
embraced MAGA and platformed MAGA and pushed that ideology more
that she all of a sudden found new life. And
now she's out here ignoring the sexual the consent of
teenagers trying to scoff and laugh at it as as

(01:23:52):
it's and and say that it's not really underage and
not really young girls. And so that's what. So for her,
she embraced that because it led to power, and now
she is stuck in that place. In order to keep
her power, she has to constantly be reaffirming whatever disgustingly sexist, racist,

(01:24:14):
homophobic shit that the MAGA say, that extreme MAGA says,
so that they keep listening to her. So I think
when the public says they don't want that shit anymore,
that's what you're gonna see all these people change. Again.
It's the public that it takes everything. If people didn't
watch or listen to it, they wouldn't keep spewing hate.
But people do you know, until and when they stop,

(01:24:34):
it's going to change. Massives McCall accidentally spill your drink,
Accidentally spill your drunken glad Gladiator influencer, No I don't.
I don't know who it was. I really don't know
who it was. Oh, accidentally spill your drink on the gladiator. No, no, no,
that's I don't. I don't like to you guys might
not believe this, but I don't like to get into
confrontations in public. I don't like to antagonize people. I

(01:24:57):
like to keep to myself. I am an extra and
I am an introvert, and by that I mean I'm
an extrovert on here and talk with you guys and
being on shows. It's a lot of fun. But when
I'm out in the public, I really like to keep
to myself. I don't like to go out there and
be a gregarious personality when I go to the movie
I hardly talk to any of the critics here at
San Diego. It's not because I don't think that I

(01:25:19):
should or I don't want to get to know them.
It's I'm just a private person. When I'm out in public,
I like to keep to myself. But if someone comes
up and talks to me, I'll have a conversation with them.
I met a guy recently at a screening who was
a fan of The Outlaw. I had no idea this dude.
And the dude has one hundred thousand subscribers on TikTok,

(01:25:40):
and he works at a nursing care facility and he
does reviews at night, and he's been doing anime reactions
on his TikTok's amazing and I sat and talked with
him for like five ten minutes before we were before
the Running Man screen. I think it's called Rob Talks Movies,
very simple title, smart to the point. And his tiktoks
are great. I watched them. I wish I could do

(01:26:00):
those TikTok. It's kind of the goal in twenty twenty six,
it's be more on TikTok and create more content of TikTok.
And he's one of the inspirations. I saw what he
was able to do, like I can do that if
people watch. Who knows, but I can do that, and
so I will talk him. But I don't normally go
out of my way to talk to people. So I
don't like to cause any kind of trouble, you know.
I just like to be like Bruce Laye. I don't
want no trouble. I just want to watch the movie,

(01:26:22):
you know. Dougalls says, Award season is upon us. You,
being a lover of Westerns and epics, what are your
thoughts on Heaven's Gate and The Postman, both considered worst ever?
The Postman is not redeemable. It's a bad movie. I
love Costner, I love Will Patton. That is not a
good movie. Water World is better than The Postman for
fox Sake, Heaven's Gate Heavens I have on Criterion. I

(01:26:44):
like Heaven's Gate. I know the issues with Heaven's Gate,
but I enjoy the characters and I enjoy the performance
in this. So I think there's been a reassessment of
Heaven's Gate over the last few years. I don't think
it would be on Criterion if there hadn't been a reassessment.
And so I really love that movie. So yeah, I
like that movie a lot, and I think, well, not

(01:27:05):
a lot. I like that movie, and I think it's
better than the people initially thought. And I'm sad because
Michael Chimino. That was the end of Michael Chimino's a director,
and I think you should have kept going. kJ seven
four to five seven says Superman. The movie Special Edition
is the superior version of the movie compared to theatrical
version of my opinion, what do you think, otis Berg? Uh, yeah, sure,

(01:27:27):
I like the Superman movie specially. I'm not as hardcore
about the nineteen seventy eight Superman as some like my
friend Michael Volgelnis right, Like, I've seen that movie probably
forty or fifty times. But if you're asking me to
tell the difference between the Superman Movie Specially Edition and
the what that came out in theaters. I couldn't tell
you the difference, so I appreciate your opinion. I just
got the James Gunn Superman in four K on Black

(01:27:49):
Friday from Grove Gruv. If you guys aren't shopping at Grove,
let me tell you those guys are great. I bought
four Blu rays for thirteen ninety nine each, or sorry,
four k's for thirteen ninety nine each. I got F one,
I got to Sinners, I got Superman, and I got
Cinderella Man, which is one of my favorite Ron Howard
movies and one of my favorite Russell pro performances. And

(01:28:12):
they came really fast. So I'm a big fan of Gruff.
So if any of you have ever tried grub out
or were nervous to try grub, I have to say
I recommend them. I'm not even they're not even sponsoring
me or paying me for this. I'm just saying I
like Gruv. They do great stuff there so, and I
know they're selling the Superman, the Superman the Movie Edition

(01:28:32):
in four K for like thirteen ninety nine I think
fantastically fourteen. Right wing radio got bigger on two thousand
and five ish. Yeah, yeah, that that I do know.
The early two thousands is when right wing radio with
Glenn Beck and Russ rush Limbaugh and God, there's a
few Dennis Lahane I think it was. There's quite a
noh no, wait, that's an author. I can't remember Dennis

(01:28:53):
Dennis something, but there was a There was a number
of them there in the early two thousands, for sure.
It couldn't get away from them. And of course Howard
started us the counter to those guys. So I listened
to Howard. Mister Penguin eighty eights is, do you think
fans will turn on Superol movie if it's too much
like Guardians of the Galaxy. No, I think some people will.
The people who have it out for James Gunn listen.
I'm an honest person about James got right. I praise

(01:29:15):
the things that are great about gun and I sometimes
will come after some of his false truths, some of
his massaging the truth responses to certain things. But I'm
honest about God, and I think there are people who aren't,
and there are people who are adamant and they want
him out because they're snyderburst people, or they just don't

(01:29:35):
like his stuff, and so they'll find any excuse to
not like him. And so I think there will be
some people who will say it's too much like Guarding
the guy. He's repeating himself, even though he didn't direct
the movie. Craig Gillaspie directed the movie. But they'll come
after Gun anyway, so we'll see. But I'm looking forward
to that on Thursday, that trailer. I hope it's good.
And the rumor is Doomsday is going to come out

(01:29:57):
the same day, which to me makes no sense. Got
to put dooms down a separate day. I don't know
why you would put it on the same day. It
makes no sense. John d X Dragon says, Hey, ro good,
thank you for always being bringing honesty and good character
to your videos. Thank you, don I appreciate I appreciate
that question. What are your most what are your most
excited to see from DC and Netflix in the future,
and what would you want overall personally? Well, I think

(01:30:18):
I would want Here's what I would want. I want
Netflix to not put their fingers on everything, because what
I have seen Netflix do is they buy properties and
people are excited. Like Avatar the Last Airbender, not a
great series, but enough people enjoyed it, then they got

(01:30:40):
a second season. But like they essentially ran off the
original creators of the series, because what Netflix like to
do is their executives like to put their fingerprints on
the things that they buy. And sometimes in putting their
fingerprints on the things they've got, they offend people who

(01:31:02):
come in with their stuff, and so I think that's
an issue with Netflix. So I don't want them to
do that. So the one thing one of the things
I would like to see, when I want overall personally,
is for them not to put their fingerprints on the
DC universe. Let Jim's gun cook with the DC universe.
If it starts to fall apart or has bad reactions

(01:31:23):
from people, then okay, Netflix step in fix this, figure
out what to do. I like the excitement. A Netflix
Booster Gold show makes all the sense in the world
to me. A Netflix Blue Beetles show makes all the
sense in the world to me. Ted cord or hierirayas
Himirayus rather, I'm down with that. So I think there's

(01:31:43):
a lot of opportunities to have shows because like the
things you've been hearing from certain scoopers, is that HBO
Max people or HBO people were kind of laughing at
James Gunn thinking he could do HBO level quality shows
with the DC universe. Now Lanterns, I think is going
to be an anomaly. It's why they're comparing it to

(01:32:05):
True Detective. But I think there was a one to
twin show or something like that. There was other shows
that gun was pitching, and from what I understand from
people I've heard with sources that HBO they were kind
of giggling to themselves thinking James could do those kinds
of shows on HBO with the prestige that HBO has. Netflix, however,

(01:32:29):
makes all the sense in the world for those kinds
of shows, you know. And I think that's gonna I
think that's gonna be fun to see if this all
goes through. I could see a Mister Miracle show live
action on Netflix, couldn't you. That would be a lot
of fun. So I think there's more possibilities to play
with some of the smaller characters or some of the

(01:32:51):
more interesting characters of the DC universe. A Harley Quinn
TV show. Tell me you wouldn't see a Harley Quinn
series that's six episodes. It would be kind of fun.
So I think there's Harlequin, Poison IVY, live action h
lethal weapon type show, Let's Go, you know, So there's
I think there's possibilities there, and I'd like them to

(01:33:14):
keep putting the movies on in the theaters. I don't.
I want the DC movies, the ones that merit. It
should be out in theaters for as long as they
can run and make money, and then of course moving
too stream so people can enjoy. So I think there's
a lot that can be done there. There would be
a lot of fun with DC at Netflix, for sure.
I would love if they had a service where you

(01:33:35):
could want you could read the comics on Netflix like
you would just turn the page with your with your
current with your Apple TV control or whatever control you
Roku whatever, and you can read DC comics on on
the Netflix on TV. That would be a lot of fun.
But that is a sitution. But make that happen as
an app. They've got those trivia apps that you can play.

(01:33:58):
Why can't you on a DC see umbrella select the
title and booth you can read the title there on
the street. I think it'd be great. John also comes
in with I legitmly believe that spill Supergirl will be
the winner for DC in twenty twenty six. Craig g
Leslie is the golden egg gun has right now and
will surprise everyone. Yeah, Craigi Leslie is amazing, So I

(01:34:19):
would not be surprised if it super comes out and
it's and it's fucking great. I love his I Tanya,
I think he's a great director, and I think he
understands how to say use but I think he understands
how to get the best out of female actresses and
these and these characters, and so I am very curious
just on the ten seconds I saw the energy of
those ten seconds. I'm like, yeah, I'm on board with this.

(01:34:42):
I'm on board with this. So I think we're going
to have a banger of the movie. I agree with you.
And from what a lot of us are hearing behind
the scenes is at these screenings that they've had already,
these quiet screenings they've had for people on the lot
at WB, the response has been really positive to that movie.
So I think that's great and I agree with you.
I think it's going to be a winner for DC

(01:35:03):
in twenty twenty six kJ seven four or five cents?
Is do you still think about the questions you missed
in the smow battles? Oh my god, your performances were
so impressive and inspiring. That is so nice of you
to say. Man, you know, it's always weird to be
reminded of it, because it's like, it's kind of crazy.
It was what seven years ago or six years ago,
something like that, it was, you know, I guess it

(01:35:27):
was five. I guess. Well, I don't know how long
has it been. It's been a bit, right, So I
mean in person, I think it's been seven years. Other
than the shmownown spectacular, when I've retired online, I think
it was a little bit less. So yeah, it's been
a bit. But I still go back and watch old
matches everyone and play because sometimes I forget and not

(01:35:49):
even my matches, I go and play other people's matches
and see if I can still do it. Listen, I'm
getting older. Some of those some of those answers don't
come as quickly as they used to. So that's the truth.
I remember Matt actually said that to me one time.
We were right after we beat them, right top ten
beat Rotten Tomatoes when it was him and Great Drake
and Matt's and we went out to I mean, Matt's

(01:36:11):
one of the best dudes. Like I didn't know. I
didn't know if Matt was a good duke because he
was kind of like aloof a little bit at times
and could be playfully critical of things. But one of
the coolest things ever was like we went out after
that match and I think Barney's Beanery, went up and

(01:36:31):
just had some food and chatted because I asked him
if he wouldn't mind have a lunch after the game,
and we had a really nice conversation and we became friends.
And I like Matt a lot. He's such a good guy.
And you know, he was always great to give me
advice when I was starting out and how to approach
this stuff, and he was never shy about it. He
always had called me, like call me, text me if

(01:36:52):
you come into anything, I will absolutely guide you through it.
And it was like great. One of the things he
said to me near the end, I think Christian was
there too, is that he said, like, you know, you
guys love playing this game because you can let me
tell you something. As you get older, those answers don't
come as quickly as they used to it, and you
know what, he's fucking right, Like, I don't know if
I could repeat my performances from back then. Now. You know,

(01:37:18):
I watched myself some of those twenty sixteen twenty seventeen matches,
and I'm like, who this guy's this guy is, this
guy's a lot, That roka is a lot, and I
just go, wow, I don't I that was that time.
You know, I was hungry, I was driven. I was
desperate to prove myself in the field of punditry. And

(01:37:38):
then the shmowdown, and I had a lot of people
who didn't want me to succeed. Some of the people
that you guys watch or listen talked a lot of
shit about me behind my back because I came in
as the as the new guy, and I immediately wanted
all of it. I didn't want to wait. I didn't
want to sit behind people because I was older than
and I didn't have a lot of time establish myself,

(01:38:01):
so I had to use the time. I had to
try to do as much as possible, and you know,
that stepped on some toes that rubbed some people wrong,
but it was never from a place of malice. It
was always from a place of I don't have a
lot of time. I need to establish myself because I
know I want to do this. Uh And so you know,
some people didn't like it, some people got upset about

(01:38:22):
some people liked it, and a lot of you fans
were very supportive of it, which I appreciate because you know,
it wasn't always being It wasn't easy being the outlaw
and blurring the lines between personal and a character. But
it means so much when people still remember it and
talk about it, and it still makes me feel old
because I feel old about that stuff. But watching watching

(01:38:46):
that that angry, driven, determined, aggressive roca like I remember
the first few years of the shmool and Christian will
attest to this. I would pace back and forth some
of the people who have we're in it, remember, like
I wanted to play every match. I was so hungry
to prove what I knew about movies that I wanted

(01:39:09):
to play in every match. Like I would play matches
in my head when other people were playing on the set.
I would just walk back and forth and yell stuff
out to some of the competitors, you know, because I was.
I was kind of young and full of piss and
vinegar and had my beliefs on things. And of course

(01:39:30):
I look about that behavior and I feel a little
shamed about that behavior back then because I didn't know
any better, and I was just like, you know, I
just loved it so much, and I was I wanted
to do it. I was. I wanted to I wanted
to fight every I wanted to have a two on
one match. I wanted to fight a whole team by
my on my own. Like I just had this thing
like I want to prove it, you know, And it
was an extension of wanting to prove myself in the

(01:39:52):
in the in the space of punditry. And I worked
hard at it, you know, And I worked a lot
of years with no money, for no money. I don't
know how many shows I did where I never got
paid a dime. And so people come into the punching
space now, like you need to pay me fifty dollars
an hour. It's like, what, you haven't done anything? Who
the fuck are you? You know, people have this kind
of entitlement too. I did two years, two or three

(01:40:15):
years where I was driving all the time up and
down the road in between auditions, in between gigs. It
was at the time I was living off my acting gigs,
so I was hustling, and I would go and I
would hang out with Adam or Hector or Augustine or

(01:40:37):
Danny or Ellis or Christian or the people over at
Geek Nation, the people over at how was the other
place geek and Sundry and the place that, like am
a fife was a BuzzFeed and Lucas. Lucas ran that

(01:40:58):
place out in North Hollywood. Fuck what was it. Adam
would do stuff there. God, I can't remember the place.
And I would do stuff there, you know. And I
did it for free. There are so many I did
for free, you know. And I I loved it because
I was I was proud to do it for free,
because I'm a guy who likes to earn my keep,

(01:41:20):
and so I got to prove to you I can
do this. So I as soon as I did it,
I'd be like, when can I be back? I'd love
to come back. And then, you know, if I didn't
hear from them for a couple weeks, I'd send that
message or something. I didn't mind. I was hungry, you know,
and so I wanted to prove myself and I wanted
to test myself. I wanted to see how I could
get back as the only get better is to do it.
It's the truth in life. You can be trained, you

(01:41:42):
can train all you want, but you got to do it.
That's when you really learn how to do this stuff,
you know. And so for me, that was something that
I was always driven by and I never had qualms
about not getting paid. It wasn't until later, like when
Collider paid us. I think it was twenty five bucks
a show to host the Flash After show and the

(01:42:03):
Walking Dead recap show. That was like from was freelance
and before I became full time. I mean I was
happy with that. I was like, twenty five bnks, Sure,
why not this experience I'm working people like Campia or
David Griffin was real. David is one of the best
dudes on the business. John wasn't. We never had like
a friendship John and I, but I was respected him

(01:42:25):
and I still respect him. But you know, we don't
text each other or call each other, but we don't hear
each other's shows. We don't have that kind of relationship
right for whatever reason, I don't know, what the reason is.
But for whatever reason, and but I always respected John
because he was a successful guy who kind of paved
the way along with Jamie and Stuckman and the guys

(01:42:47):
from the Yeah and the guys from the beginning. Is
it Jamie? Am I saying that? Right? Oh? Fuck, my
mind just went see what I mean? I would get
killed in this mone out. Uh the dude with the
Jeremy Jeremy sorry Jeremy. John's yes, Jerry, Jamie, Jeremy, Yes, Jeremy.

(01:43:08):
I love Jeremy's my boy. So uh yeah. So you know,
working with those guys, I got to learn so much.
You know, working with Ken Knapsock, I got to learn
so much. Uh. Roxy Uh taught me so much. Dan Murrell,

(01:43:29):
I mean, that's one of my friendships that I'm very
proud to still have, is Dan Murrell, you know. And
so there are so many people who taught me, uh
and so many Lawn Harris. I loved watching Lan. Lawn
was so smart about stuff and such a unique personality.
Who is the skinny kid at fandom who works the
honest trailers with Lawn? That guy was good. He brought

(01:43:53):
me on on a show to talk about nineteen eighty,
I Betman and it was a great conversation with him.
And so Gray Drake, who was amazing, I mean, is
one of the Gray is an angel in the business
man Gray. Gray is just such a good person. Like
if you if you're on the bad side of Gray,
you've done something terribly wrong. Gray is such a loving,
accepting person and she's great, you know, And in a

(01:44:15):
business when so many people are jealous and envious and
try to backstab you or sabotage you, Gray is one
of the good ones that's out there. She really is.
She's one of the great ones. Uh yeah. Working with
the people at BuzzFeed, uh was great. Yeah. Joe Starr, Yes, Joe,
Joe was great. Joe was a lot of fun. Uh yeah.

(01:44:37):
Or work with Dorena Mike Joyce said, Dorena. Yeah, Drena
was a blast at at Collider and when we did
our politics show. I had a great time working with Dorena.
She was such a good person, you know. So there
were quite a few and even you know, Perry was
a great mentor for the first year and a half
I was there, and then at times we were butt
heads because I wanted more and she was already at

(01:44:59):
that place, and so so I was kind of, you know,
maybe possibly threatening what she wanted and all of it.
So it's it's you know, it's ass. And Frosty's is
a terrible boss who wants codependent relationships with his employees,
and I was never good at that. And Fernandez and

(01:45:19):
I never had the greatest of relationships because Mark, I
just I just didn't get that guy at all, and
he didn't get me, and we just never really mixed.
I appreciated him hired me full time. I'll always be
grateful they hired me full and they trusted me to
try to do collider sports. I always appreciated that, But
I never knew where I stood with him. We never
had like a warm relationship. He never took me out

(01:45:42):
for lunch or dinner or a drink or anything. He
would take other people out for lunch or drink or dinner,
but he never took me out. And that to me
was always an indication of like where he saw me,
and so you know, those are motivating things. And then
when he let me go, he tried to take me
out to lunch, and I was like, what, why, why
would you now want to take me out to lunch
because you fucked up and how you fired me, and

(01:46:03):
so I've never like, you know, I never really appreciated that,
and so I never went out to lunch with him,
you know, And he stopped after the first couple of weeks.
He stopped trying. I tried to hug me one time
and I was like, what are you doing? Then, you know,
it was it was weird. So we just never blake
got it along. And you know, he took down all
the collider sports stuff eventually, and so I've never been

(01:46:24):
able to get access to any of that, so I
have no footage of that anymore. But you know, it
was a mixed back and look, I'm sure I take response.
I'm sure my aggressive desire to learn and get better
and study and do more rub people the wrong way.
You know. I had battles occasionally with Thad because that
would remember Thatad yelling at me one time he said,

(01:46:45):
you want to be on everything, Roka, and I got
mad at him and we went at it. And you know,
it was never from a place of like, you know,
fuck everyone else, give me what I want. It was
more from a place of like, I want to learn
and I need to be able to do this stuff
to learn. It wasn't an ego thing. It wasn't like
I want to. You know, if I had an ego,

(01:47:05):
I would be taking selfies and doing videos. I would
have a TikTok account already. I just I don't have
that thing to put myself on camera all the time,
although that's got to change. I just don't, you know,
even convincing myself to do an episode of the Truth tonight,
I spent all day trying to talk myself into it.
You know, this is how I work. I'm not a

(01:47:26):
person who necessarily I know, this is weird for some
people to get. I'm not a person necessarily wants to
draw attention to myself, which is really an antithesis to
be successful in this business. And so I'm you know,
should I do more reactions, yes, Should I do more videos, yes,
But I'm not always a person who wants to get

(01:47:47):
up there and put myself on camera, which is ironic
because in the past, all I want to do was
get on a camera so I could prove what I
could do, you know. So, yeah, I didn't always have
the best relationships with some people there, some of the
production guys didn't like me because they were constant editing
my shit because I was on all the shit and
maybe it was personal. I don't know. We never had
a conversation about it. But you see the people who

(01:48:09):
invite me on their shows and the people who don't.
I should tell you where my relationships are with those people,
I think. And one of the guys who taught me
a lot was Ken, I mean, Ken Knapsock. I should
reach out to Ken. I want to come on his
YouTube show or his Facebook show. What's it called The
the Flappening or I think it's called The Flappening or
something like that. I've watched a few episodes on on Facebook.

(01:48:33):
I like Ken. Ken's Ken's great, great personality, great voice,
great attitude. And I always thought, I always lament the
fact that we never did a show together because I
think Ken and I would be a great combo because
Ken is even more of a introvert than I am,
even on camera, and I but I think like I

(01:48:54):
could challenge him, We could have a nice like energy
and chemistry going back and forth about topics overall. But
Ken's a slippery eel, like he will only give you
as much as he wants to give you about what
he really thinks about something. You know, it's rare when
you get Ken to crack open and give you everything
he thinks about something. And I think that's kind of

(01:49:15):
the gift of Ken because people are intrigued by the
mystery and they sense that he's holding something back, so
they keep coming back to see what else he has
to say about stuff. I think it's it's his natural energy.
So yeah, the blathering, that's right, the blathering that's a
Alan Smithy the Bladder, which I thought, it's a great title.
It's a very good title. I was like, oh, that's

(01:49:35):
a good title. Fuck, I should have thought of that,
but yeah, but yeah, I mean those were the Those
were the days, and I learned so much from so
many people. Right, Christian Ellis taught me so much. I
watched them all the time, working with Snap right, working
with John. John was an interesting character, an interesting cat.

(01:49:55):
And I'm not one of those people that's going to
take advantage of my relationship with John. John was. I
was the producer, and I enjoyed being friends. I would
say friends with John, not deep plans, not close friends.
We didn't go on trips together. I didn't try to
attach myself like a barnacle to John Stepp. I was

(01:50:15):
respectful to John because he had established himself and done
his thing. You know. I wasn't one of those people
that tried to do that with people, and so I
had a healthy respect for John. And of course when
what happened to him, I went to the hospital visit
him a few times. It was so heartbreaking to be

(01:50:36):
in the room to see a man that size brought
so small, but he still had that energy. He's still
I mean, just him lying in a hospital bed, he
still felt like a tight let me tell you, like
a titan. And I'm gonna stress that second. Te like
in every definition of the word. Even in a hospital
bed with tubes in him and he's kind of in

(01:50:57):
and out of it, he still was this titan figure
in her room. And that is just an exam a
sample of the energy that was John Snepp, you know.
And Robert Meyer Burnette. I loved, I love Rob. I
still love Rob. I love to do more stuff with Rob.
I think Rob is one of the one of the

(01:51:17):
best guys man. I loved working with him. Oh god, it,
what's oh shit, It's been so long since I thought
about her who was the co host on Heroes with Schnepp.
What was her name? Amy? Amy? Right? She was so sweet?
Is it? Amy? Is that right? Amy? I forget what

(01:51:38):
her name is? Oh, I forget what you lost? Trump
one Larry Allison on Random Yes, Amy Dallan, Yes, Amy?
Amy another sweetheart by the way, A sweetheart but deceptively
strong that she needs to be you. Amy is the

(01:52:01):
nicest person, but if she if you cross her, or
she thinks you've you've done something wrong, she will fucking
let you know in a way that surprises you. So
I love that about Amy. She was a sweet, art,
very nice person. But if she felt you were on
the wrong side of things, or you weren't you weren't
treating certain things right, she let you know. I remember
one time she had she had a harsh word for

(01:52:21):
me because I was I made some comment about something
and she said, well, that's what well, and I can't
remember exactly what she said, but she kind of made
me stop because she was just like, well, I think
you should look at it this way, and that's what
I like. I Amy, You're absolutely fucking right. I step back,
You're right? So yeah, So I mean it was it
was an incredibly talented crewer on Riley of course, fucking Riley,

(01:52:45):
of course Riley, Jesus Riley was the best. I lament
that my relationship is not as strong with Mark as
it was when we were there at Collider, you know,
because I think Mark is one of the best dudes,
and for whatever reason, we just you know, haven't maintained
our friendship at the level that it was before. You know.
But I see everything he's doing. I see as kids,
there's child weather and you know, his relationship, and I'm

(01:53:08):
happy for him and the things he's working on. It's
you know, Mark's more of the best. So it was
always it was always fun working and I remember when
we both you know, when Collider did us Dirty and
we both were trying to start our own channels. We
would go on each other's show, right, We would visit
each other and see the studio setups we were doing
at the beginning, and Adam came over and helped Mark,
you know, and I think he came over and helped

(01:53:29):
me once, and so it was like it was it
was so fun to have those common experiences. After Collider
let us go. But dude, you look back or doing
the ladies. You look back now, that was such a
fucking talented crew, Like the talent in that team. How
did you fuck that up? That's what you gotta ask yourself.
This is that was a great team. You got to say,

(01:53:51):
how did the manager fuck that up? You had Christian Ellis,
Danny As as a recurring guest star, app Sock, Riley
me a Cougar, Roxy, Dorena uh Fat in production, the
wangers doing things behind the scenes with Adam uh Schnepp,

(01:54:18):
Amy Dollen like how that Yeah, Alicia Malone, Alisha Malone
who now of course is at TCM, you know, so
happy for her at TCM. How was a hell of
a crew, bro? How did you fuck that up? How
did you not understand? Like if we had had better
managers who understood YouTube, understood what to do? Oh yeah,

(01:54:40):
Perry as well, who understood what to do when the writers,
I mean, don't think of the writers. We had Hayley Fouch,
we had Goldberg, we had Adam Uh, we had what's
his fucking name, Victor? Is it Victor? I haven't thought
of him in a long time. Sorry, I don't remember
the names, but yeah, the right even the writing crew

(01:55:04):
who was there with us every day. He was fucking great.
Man's right. Manz would come in and do do stuff.
You know. The Tiffany right, Tiffany was part of the crew.
She came over as a recurring situation because she didn't
go full time at Collider. But yeah, that was a crew.

(01:55:24):
That was Frank right, Frank, that was a crew man.
We were a crew. Wendy, right, Wendy. Look at how
Wendy is blown up. I'm so there is no one
I'm happier for out of the old Collider crew than Wendy.
League like nobody. I'm not happier for anybody more than
I am for Wendy, because she is too She's she's

(01:55:47):
too good of a person to say this, but I
will say this, and I'm and I and and I'm
telling the truth. There were people higher up at Collider
who were making the decisions who thought Wendy he wasn't
a good personality on camera, and I thought they were wrong.
And when I got into a position where I could

(01:56:07):
bring her onto mail Bag and on the movie talk,
I lobbied hard to have her on to mail Bag
and movie talk. And you know why, because I know
what it was like for people to not want to
put you on stuff because they don't think you're good enough.
Like I remember having that experience. I wasn't on certain reviews,
I wasn't on certain shows because people felt I would like,
they wouldn't let me be on Collider Heroes as a regular,

(01:56:31):
Like they were like, no, no, We're going to bring
other people on. And I was always hurt by that
because I fucking know just as much. And so it
was that kind of thing. And so I so with Wendy,
they thought, like certain people Blue Mark only saw her
as the secretary or the appointment person. But I knew
Wendy had her YouTube channel on the side, and I

(01:56:51):
would watch some shows and I'd be like, this is
what the fuck a y'all talking about? And so I
made it a point to get Wendy on my on
the shows I was hosting, you know, because I respected
her work. And so to see how after everything went
down with Collide in the way she was treated by
the end as well, and what her and Dustin have

(01:57:12):
built on the movie couple, I mean, fuck man, that
is amazing. I'm so happy for her. I'm so happy
for how she's grown. I hope she becomes even an
even bigger voice in the world of film because she's
such a good person. Also, Wendy's also a person who
like for as sweet as she is, if she doesn't
like something or she thinks you're doing wrong, she'll fucking

(01:57:34):
tell you. And I've always appreciated that about Wendy. She
was always so good to me man at Collide. When
I was nervous and I was scared and I was
emotional when it felt like I wasn't good enough, Wendy
would take me for a coffee or a walk and
we would just talk it out. She was always so
positive man, because I mean it was it was an
intimidating crew to walk into, because I had to. I
had to fight my way to become a full time employee.

(01:57:57):
You know. I had to convinced Mark to hire me,
and Mark to as I said, to his credit, Mark
did hire me, and I appreciated that, right. But everybody
kind of a lot of people saw me as kind
of Christian's boy, So there was that kind of thing
of well, I'm connected to Christian, so therefore, you know,
I might be spying for Christian or I'm trying to

(01:58:19):
possibly undercut certain people because Christian doesn't like them. So
there's a lot of that behind the scenes drama. For
all the greatness that we were on camera, there was
a lot of behind this prescene suspicion and egos and
questioning that went on. But you know that's going to
go on with any great team. That's going to go
on with any great team. The problem is you had

(01:58:39):
a leader in Mark who was telling people to spy
on other people, and that is a way that you
don't develop a trust in your fellow employee and a
camaraderie amongst people. I don't care. I don't know how
many times he told me, are you is Perry really
doing what she says she's doing? Is is Riley really
really doing what he says he's doing? And it was

(01:59:01):
like always uncomfortable to have those conversations. And I was always, yeah,
they're working hard, They're always working I see them, They're
always working hard. But I'm sure he had other people
spying on me, and I'm sure people spying a Christian
and it was like report back to me all this
kind of stuff. So that isn't the way you lead people,
and that's how you fumble a great team. That's how
you fumble that amount of talent. And the fact that

(01:59:21):
almost all of them are still doing stuff in this
space speaks volumes to how much you fumble that fucking ball.
And I don't care what he says. I don't care
how he defends it. Oh and Dennis Dennis as well,
Let's not forget Dennis, who was great. That's another member
of the team. So you know there were so many
where they fumbled the ball, where he fumbled the ball

(01:59:42):
on the whole situation. You know so well you say Bateman,
Bateman wasn't part of the crew. Bateman was a guest star.
So I wouldn't mention Ben. I don't think Ben. I
don't I don't even know what Ben is doing now

(02:00:04):
hold on my moment knows no. By the way, here's
an open call, uh, if Ben was ever open to
repairing our relationship. I think enough years has gone by
from that shmowdown situation where I would be open to

(02:00:29):
opening the door to Ben, because I think I blocked
him on Twitter years ago because of all that shit
that went down at the end of the morning, because
I mean Ben kind of went off the deep end
with a lot of suspicion and a lot of like
questions about things that were going on. And you know,
I don't want to speak out of turn because I

(02:00:50):
don't want to reveal some things that were told to
me confidence, but like it was a little bit, a
little bit out there. But looking back on it now
five years later, it's like, well, yeah, because the pressure
was so the pressure was so high, and a lot
of his like his status in the Action Army was
connected to how well he did on the show, right,

(02:01:11):
and so there was a lot of well, I've got
to make sure that this is the optimal setting for
me to be able to do my best right. And
so now as an older person, I can look back
at what Ben was doing, and although I may not
support some of the things Ben did, I can also

(02:01:31):
say I did some shit to try to, you know,
give me a competitive advantage. Like I never fucked anyone
over or tried to you know, question anybody's ethics about
writing questions or whatever. But I certainly had my own
things about how I went about doing stuff that rubbed
people the wrong way. So I can say, like, as

(02:01:52):
a competitor myself, I have to create grace for how
Ben was and look, we legitimately did not like each
other eventually, like we initially it was it was beef
that was played up a little bit with Matt and
I against them, but then it became real, you know,
and well, and we patched things up to do the Horsemen,

(02:02:13):
and we really were supportive of each other. Like I
went over to Ben's house after he had the surgery
and I sat with him for hours quizzing him before
the match. But it was when they pitted us against
each other with the Dan Merle Ben Bateman, and that's
when I think the Atlanta Shmotea is the thing that
fractured us. And to be fair, I should take responsibility

(02:02:35):
for my part in that because I was kind of
envious at the time of the situation. I was envious
that didn't have the belt. I was envious that I
wasn't a champion, and so through Dan I was kind
of grinding my axe. And then we worked on the
Shmotown show together. It was always like Ben was always like,
it's my show, it's my show, and you're just You're
just the caretaker. And being an older person, I took

(02:02:59):
that as that I was offended by that, you know,
and so I took that in a personal way when
I think if I had a little more of the
self esteem and confidence that I have now, I'd have
been like, yeah, show, it's your show. Whatever, man, it's cool,
I'm rolling with it. No. But I was like, no,
I've got to look good in front of the fans.
I'm the outlaw. I've got of this. So I got
caught up in that, you know, and so it caused
So I can take responsibility for my part of it,

(02:03:21):
for sure. But it was all about competitive competition, and
competition doesn't always breed the best out of people. You know,
Michael Jordan watched the Last Dance again and see how
much shit he did to try to be a champion.
You know, those Tom Brady commercials are amazing, those recent
NFL Tom Brady commercials when he is showing, like when
they're showing regular people what it would like to be Tom,

(02:03:42):
what it would like to be to be Tom Brady,
there's a it's funny, but also there's also an element
of truth in it. Right when the new one with
the woman who is trying to do the trivia with
the nursing home and stuff and she walks out feeling underappreciated,
and Tom goes winning is a lonely business, you know,
and that I saw it the other day on during

(02:04:02):
watching the games, I was like, oh fuck, that hit
me like a diamond bullet, you know, because I remember
when I beat Dan, people congratulated me. But then I
went and sat on a couch by myself and I
just was I felt so alone, like I'd done it,
but I wasn't carried out like if I had done
in a live event. I think it would have had

(02:04:22):
a much more right now, there were people in the
studio audience obviously saw even Bateman was clapping for me
because that fact that we were cool with each other,
and Rachel and my friend Shannon from the Gee Buddies
was there, and it was an amazing experience. But to
have done it, but to have beaten Dan at a
live event for the Belt, I think that would have
been where I wouldn't have felt alone, like I would
have been carried out. That would have been amazing. Right.

(02:04:45):
So it's just those little so I get it, and
so I think there's there was a little bit of
my ego and my desire to win. Also, you know,
self esteem issues about like hey, who am I, you know,
and of course in twenty sixteen, that's when like all
that stuff caught up with me and I almost took
my own life, you know, and so but yeah, I

(02:05:07):
mean I think now, all these years later, I would
be down to repair that with Ben. Maybe have him
on the show. Do maybe do an episode of the
Truth with Ben and I reminiscing about our time in
the showdown and maybe repairing our friendship or relationship at
least to be you know, cordial or friendly with each other.

(02:05:28):
I would be I would be down with that instance
the show becomes filled a team well you know, yeare
fair fair, very fair. Yeah, but yeah, I mean, I
I don't but I you know, I don't know. But
I think Ben was on one of Christian shows, wasn't

(02:05:48):
he on the Harlof show recently on in New York?
Like he was stopping by Because I think he's like
really still knee deep into the magic the gathering stuff, right,
He's still knee deep in the magic magic the stuff.
So yeah, yes, I mean, if someone, uh yeah, if
someone wanted to, I'm not gonna do that, like I'm not.

(02:06:09):
I don't know where Ben is at with things. So
if someone wanted to broker that peace deal. Someone wanted
to be you know, bringing together the two powers of
the Middle East to have a peace deal at Camp
David with me and Ben. I would be open to that. Yeah,
which is weird for me. I didn't think I was

(02:06:30):
going to say that tonight. I didn't think I was
going to open my mind up to any of that tonight.
But you know, I'm in that place where I'm getting
older and like you're letting go of a lot of
things that were frustrating for you at the time, you know.
So yeah, yeah, Ben does MTG right, exactly, the magic
the gathering right? Uh no, because then he gets all

(02:06:56):
the financial benefit. No way, if he was willing to
pay us to do that, then I think that would
be a lot of fun. I think that would be
a lot of fun to do that. But no way,
am I gonna let him get all the money from
the reconciliation of me and Bet that he should totally
host it. But only if we like split the profits
and all of that shit. Uh well, this is Johnny's

(02:07:19):
still friends of Mandels. Oh yeah, I think yes. I
mean we never were friends when we were doing the show.
Like people don't. People still don't accept that. Like Matt
and I never went out to dinner all the time.
I never went out to like, you know, movies. We
didn't text each other, hey, I saw something funny. I
mean occasionally we text each other about the NBA or stuff.
But no, Matt and I would never really like friends friends,

(02:07:41):
do you know what I'm saying. We were friendly, we're friends.
Like we worked on the show together. We were respected
each other's points of views, and we made the show work.
And but like when we went to Chicago, like we
didn't go out to eat or go out to dinner
or do anything. And when we went to London, we
didn't hang out after We hung out with everybody who
to see us in London, but Matt and I didn't,

(02:08:02):
you know, hang out after that. And so we had
a good partnership and it worked for the show, and
I do miss that show. I've thought about asking Matt
if he would love to come back and do the
Top ten again, like once a month on my channel,
and I would pay him because we had such great chemistry.

(02:08:22):
But you know, in the end, he didn't want to
keep doing a show with me, and I think he's
happier doing the show he's doing, and our I mean
top ten had fizzled out. You know, I was the
one that brought it up and said to him, listen,
we got it. You're happier doing the movie score show.
You should just keep doing that. Whenever we're making on
the Patreon. Both of us can make up that money

(02:08:44):
in other areas of our lives. We don't have to
keep doing the show and talking about the same movies,
the same lists. Because I wanted to change the show
into what I have with Winston or what I have
with with Jeff. I wanted to have a show where
it was me and at talking about the entertainment stories
of the day. I think that would have been the
natural next step for us, and I think we could

(02:09:06):
have revitalized the show and we could have started touring
again live once COVID was over. It's very possible. But
he didn't want to do that, and that's Matt's Matt's prerogative.
You know, I don't I'm not mad at Matt. I
don't fault mad at all. He just didn't want to
keep going with the show in that direction, and I
think that's he has every right to make that decision
for himself, you know, and in the end, it just

(02:09:27):
was what it was. And yeah, we'd had a couple
we'd had a few battles through the years because Matt's
a different personality than I am. But Matt, I'll tell
you this right now, Ndred, I give Matt one hundred
percent credit for this. I don't think the show would
have achieved the things it achieved without Matt, like honestly,
not just because it's co hosts. Like Matt handled some
of the business side of things that I didn't know

(02:09:48):
too much about. Because Matt was a touring comic. So
when we started doing live shows, Matt was great at like,
let's set up these Facebook pages, Let's see how many
people are saying they'll show up. Let's see how many
tickets we can, and then we can set up like
a tour. And then he was the one talking with
the venues, Like he would ask me, like, what do
you what do you want to have? What do you
want to do? What's thisens look good? And so he

(02:10:10):
would run things by me. But Matt was very much
in charge of setting that stuff up and he was
great at it, right, he was great at it. Like
we would have never toured live if it wasn't for Matt.
Like the LA Show, I think I took the initiative
on that with Stacy. Stacey was very kind to offer
us that theater there for the LA Show. But then
the response from the LA Show people, I came from Canada,

(02:10:30):
people came from New York to see us. That gave
us like the inspiration to try to go to other countries,
you know, and it was great and Matt was I mean,
Matt was great at that. I'm in our of London Show.
I'm telling you, dude, listen. I know people think sometimes
I'm a cocky, arrogant person or whatever and all that shit,

(02:10:51):
but I mean sometimes in certain things, yes, I will
admit I'm a fucking saint, but the London Show, honestly
is one of the most humbling things I've ever experienced
in my life, Like utterly humbling. And I also think
we were we were in our fucking prime man. I

(02:11:15):
had have put our show against any show. I had
gone toe to toe with Howard Stern, Joe Rogan, all
those fucking guys. I think the Top ten show at
its peak, with our chemistry, we would have beaten anybody.
I honestly believe that we had natural chemistry. We never
talked about the topics ahead of time. Everything came up organically, Honestly,

(02:11:38):
we never talked about shit ahead of time. Even the
London Live show, that all came up organically. If you
ever listened to the episode again, like none of that
was talked about ahead of time. Everything was off, like
we riffed off each other really well. And that and
maybe in being not being like friends friends like fully friends,

(02:11:59):
it allowed that to be fresh because we didn't know
what each other thought about certain subjects as they came up,
so we were naturally organically reacting to them in the
shows and people love that, you know. And I think
we had a respect for each other and alike for
each other enough to do the show, which is what
came through in those in the banter, in the back

(02:12:20):
and forth in the in the in the comments. So
but yeah, you know, and it was so much fun
to do the show with him when we were at
our peak, which is why like I ended the show
when I did, and because I said to Matt, I said,

(02:12:41):
in a straight up I said to him, and I
probably said it to him to a bit too aggressively,
but I just was like, Matt, you're happier doing Settle
the Score, you should just keep doing that. Like we're
holding on doing this show, and it's neither one of
us are one hundredercent happy about doing it. We're hitting
the bongos and all, like we're just going through the motions.
The last six months, six eight months, we've gone and
our Patreon kept dropping and dropping and dropping, and so

(02:13:03):
eventually the signs go, look they're not interested anymore and
we're not willing to reinvent the show. Matt was great
at times. I think we both suggested stuff to improve
the show. But Matt like suggested really interesting like the
Golden Ticket, Settle the what was it. I think it
was called the Golden Ticket. That was so much fun
having the fans contribute and do it. Like those are

(02:13:25):
the ideas that he came up with that kept the
show fresh and they were a lot of fun, you know,
and fans loved I loved the show. I mean people
would send some of the most amazing things and sent
some of the most amazing letters. And remember when they
were when you all were sending gifts, like when we
were getting those gifts those were again, all of it
was so supremely humbling. But that London show I think

(02:13:45):
was the peak at the top ten. That was like
the peak. Everything after that was a little bit of
a steady decline. But like the London show, people from
thirteen countries came to see a couple of idiots like
me and Matt do a live show in London for
foxing two hundred people. We had two hundred and twenty
people who came to see the show. We sold out

(02:14:08):
the place or we filled the place. I don't know
if we sold that. We filled the place all the
way to the back row, mind blow. And it wasn't
like a small club like we did in Chicago, like
it was a big auditorium in London at one of
the premier places in London to do shows and concerts.
You know, to this day, I still can't believe it

(02:14:29):
happened and went off the way it did. And we
had such a great crowd, and again we played off
that crowd really well and did our countdown, you know,
and both of our significant others came with us to experience,
and that was my first trip with the Lady Outlaw
outside the country, and we had only gotten together a
few months before, like a few months before. And you know,

(02:14:52):
Matt was there with his wife. He was an amazing woman.
So you know, it was a hell of an experience
for sure. Uh says London was the shark and jump
the shark. Yeah, well I don't think we jumped the shark.
I just think we never could reach that peak again.
But it wasn't because we got cheesy. Like that's what
jump in the Shark means. As they got cheesy, we didn't.

(02:15:13):
We didn't bring on a new kid, a new child
to try to get the audience as sympathy. We never
did that, you know. So but yes, London was the peak. Yeah,
the Golden Ticket, that's what it was called. Oh my god,
my friend Griffin just texting me. Griffin, I hope you

(02:15:33):
don't mim if I read your text. He said, listen
to listening to you reminists about the Collator days. Man,
you're reminded me so much of the personalities the shows
I used to watch in late high school and throughout college.
You guys really were such an inspiration for me starting out,
and the crew and everything you guys built, the personalities,
the regular program, the Insight dude, you guys really were

(02:15:54):
the apex of film commentary, news coverage, criticism. I do
miss those days, even when aspired to work it, even
even aspired to work at Collider when it was the
place it used to be before I really understood the business. Yeah,
all this is to say is that you should be
insanely proud of your work there and on the Top
ten show and continued work on the Centophiles. Great to
see you all prosper on your own in your own

(02:16:14):
distinct ways. But man, there really was something special about
the mid to late two thousands when Collider Video was booing, Yeah,
you're hundredercent r one hundred percent right, brother, And I'm
proud to have you as a friend, and I'm proud
to see your growth, bro. I mean where you're doing
the things you're doing over there at Film Theory and
the other places. Awards watched there with Eric All. I
think that's right, all the places you're doing stuff. Man,

(02:16:35):
I'm just really proud the interviews you're getting. You know, Chris,
You and Chris Killian are the two people that I'm
like cheering for so much on the sidelines because I
think you guys are good energies out in the space.
I think you really care about the creatives and getting
good conversations, and also think you both have that kind
of nervous humbleness about you that makes your videos have

(02:16:57):
a real authenticity to them. Now you can You've also
very strong in your opinions when you're talking about movies,
but with the interviews, there's a nice like kind of
openness to you and what Chris does over at combook
movie dot combook dot com. So I appreciate watching you guys.
Uh shiit uh my battery is running out of my computer.

(02:17:18):
Uh oh, ship, y'all, I might I might have to
call this hold on. Let me see what I can do.
Let me put up a screen here because I know,
let me see if I can find a plug. I'll
be right back. Give me give me thirty seconds. Okay yeah,

(02:17:53):
h h h all right, christ has averted it is

(02:18:16):
plugged in, so anyway, Yeah, that's very kind of Griffin.
One of a griff, sorry Griffin, and Griffin one of
my favorite guys out there. So uh yeah, I should
probably intermission. Well yeah, so there you go. Listen. I
was going to talk about the Golden Globes and talk
about the UH Critics' Choice Awards. But I mean, I've

(02:18:40):
been going for two and a half hours. Will you
guys be mad if I don't talk about it or
do you want me to talk about it? Let me
let me know in the comments. I'm open to it all. No,
not Griffin Newman. Not Griffin Newman. I never had a
good relationship with grip Well. I never had a relationship
with Griffin. I didn't really know Griffin that much. But
I've been talking with two and a half hours and
I have no new super chets, none, none. Wow, guys,

(02:19:01):
I've been talking over an hour and there was no
contributions to all the behind the scenes tea and stuff
that I've been spilling here. No superstickers, no card nothing.
Oh my god, I gave you all that for free.
Oh my god. Let's see. Yeah there's oh, Karen said one,

(02:19:22):
and Karen's at John. Are you looking forward the last
episode of Welcome to Dry Persley. I'm loving the show. Thanks, Yeah,
I'm looking forward to it for sure. I hope the
new one come. I hope the I hope the boys
can review it in the next couple of days, so
hopefully we'll do it either tomorrow or Wednesday, and we'll
also catch up on what do you call it, pluribus

(02:19:45):
pluribus as well. So yeah, yeah, so yeah. Golden Globes.
I guess we can talk about it real quick. If
people want to send stuff in, I'll come back. Yeah.
Golden Globes nominations were this morning, and so were the
Critics' Choice nominated. Uh I am a member of the
Critics Choice. I think the biggest the biggest things you

(02:20:06):
can talk about is what went on with uh with
Wicked on the Golden Globe side of things. Wicked for
Good not being nominated for Best Musical Comedy. That is
really surprising when you look at it. Sidney Sweeney not
being nominated for Best Actress in a Drama That should

(02:20:27):
tell you everything you need to know about her quote
unquote apology the other day about the genes that listen,
this this situation. You got to be honest about the situation, right,
I mean like you got to tell the truth about
the situation, and that is that she has had four
flops in a row or three flops in a row,
and if if the house was a housemaid and whatever

(02:20:48):
it's called, housemaid doesn't do well in a couple of weeks,
then that'll be a fourth flop in a row. Uh.
And I think she was feeling herself with her math
stuff and her you know, teasing the red State side
of things, and people loving her because you know, she's attractive.
People find her atract I don't find her, but I

(02:21:10):
know people do find her attractive. Uh. And so she
thought she could carry the day. Well, people aren't showing
up to your movies, and guess what come, guess what
the commodity is in Hollywood, people showing up to your movies.
If they stop showing up to your movies, you stop
having power in Hollywood. And so I think this. I
think what the apology that she'd give gave the other

(02:21:30):
day was brand saving her going on the family feud,
for God's sakes, the celebrity family feud is also pr
brand saving to try to make her seem wholesome and
relatable and connectable, because I think they know that that
interview she did was an utter trade wreck, and her
just looking at the reporter when she asked about the

(02:21:50):
white supremacy thing like to come out now and be like, well,
of course I stand against hate. I'm not in support
of hate. I don't want to what the fuck man,
that's all. You could have done that right there in
the GQ interview. You could have done that. When the
controversy broke broke off, you could have absolutely come out
and said, I want to say this from the beginning.
There was not an intention to have that be the

(02:22:12):
message of the campaign. For people who are taking it
this way. I hear what you're saying, but that wasn't
where I was going. Please respect. I do not promote hate.
I don't like hate, and I would never say that.
But what I believe is that they did this on
purpose her team because they were feeling their maga selves
and they thought they could be that maga energy in

(02:22:33):
Hollywood because they've seen so many of these companies Genue,
Fleck and Bend the need of Trump. But we were
talking at the beginning of the show Ted sarahis visiting
Trump to try to smooth the Netflix purchase of wb
Over and Ellison. It's definitely in bed with Trump. The
Ellison's in bed with Trump. So and you've seen ABC
pay Trump, CDs pay Trump, all these people pay Trump

(02:22:55):
and give worship. So I think they thought they could
they could be the rebel outlaw in the Hollywood community
and be maga. And you can't be the rebel outlaw
if no one's coming to see your fucking movies, because
then at that point you're no different than Kevin Sorbo
or Dean k. No one goes to see their movies
anyway either. So that's the situation that I think she

(02:23:15):
found herself in. And so for her now to come
out and go, well, of course I was againstate, of
course I would never That's not my point. She could
have said that as soon as it blew up. But
they wanted to ride out the controversy for attention, for status,
and it blew up in their faces. And so now
you see her, you know, asking for her the apology
or you know, begging people to essentially come back and

(02:23:37):
support her because of what Wentellen meant that it's not
as it's not as liberal of a town as people think,
but it's still a liberal town, you know. Ja Kelly
also not getting nomination I think was really surprising. A
lot of people thought Jay Kelly would be one of
the dark horse candidates to slide in there and get

(02:23:57):
a nomination, and it didn't. One that I know, Jeff
is going to talk about on the hot mic is
the snubbing of the Is This Thing On? That's a
damn good movie, and I also thought it was one
of those character pieces that could maybe slide in and
get a nomination but didn't. Now it doesn't mean it
won't get a nomination or j Kelly won't. I won't
get an Oscar's nomination, but it is kind of surprising

(02:24:17):
and didn't make the cut for the Golden Globes, and
then Laura Dern, who was great in that movie, also
didn't even get a nomination. If you haven't seen Is
This Thing On? I highly recommend you don't have to
see in the theater, although if you want to see
a theater, told support you've seen in theater. It's definitely
a movie you can watch it home. But it's a
good movie and I really liked it, and I thought Brett.

(02:24:39):
I thought will Arnett pulled what we've seen other comics do,
like Jim carry Rob Williams. He played drama really well
and in a way that was very relatable. And so
I highly recommend you guys seeing it. If you haven't
seen it, it's a damn good movie and the only
person I don't. The only character I did in one

(02:24:59):
hundred percent like in the movie was Bradley Cooper's character.
But I mean, I think he had to put himself
in the movie to get the funding for the movie,
so I totally respect that. But the character really was
kind of a useless character in the film, to be honest.
His wife was much more interesting than he was, and
maybe that was a choice by Bradley, like I'm gonna
play the weird character who is kind of on the
periphery of all of this shit, so I don't take

(02:25:21):
attention away, and that may be what was going on there.
But I think the film has a great commentary on
relationships and a great commentary on how we view relationships,
how we interpret relationships, and it's a really it's a
and how we can learn to listen to someone, even
after we've been with them for twenty years, how we

(02:25:44):
can find a way to learn to listen to them
again and hear what they're saying and respect where they're
coming from even if you don't agree with them. And
I think that was a really powerful message coming through
the movie. Superman being left out of the cinematic and
box office achievement category was also surprising, especially because Avatar
Fire and Ash was in that category and Avatar Fire

(02:26:07):
and Ash hasn't even come out yet, so how can
it qualify for the Cinematic and box Office Achievement category
is kind of mind blowing. Maybe I didn't know that
in Golden Gloves you can be nominated for something you're
going to do in the future, because I'm sure people
think it's gonna make all kinds of money in the
box office, so they're putting it in for the future.
I guess, so whatever. But Jacob Elordi getting nominated for

(02:26:30):
as a creatre and Frankenstein, I was very happy that.
I love Jacob. I thought he was great in the movie.
I still think it's Sean Penn's to win, but I mean,
Benizio seems to be coming on and I wouldn't be
upset if Jacob won it because I think he's he is.
Frankeustein is good. I love Frankenstein regardless of my on
Gelmrad Torris speaking about movies and theaters while we're giving

(02:26:52):
for Netflix, frank Stin is an excellent movie, and I
think a Lordie is the person to get nominated for
that movie. For sure, although I think Ascar does a
great job, but he is the most incredible part of
that movie and what he does and how he progresses
through the film all the way to the end. He's
heartbreaking as the creature, I mean heartbreaking. That scene with
him and the old man, that whole sequence was fucking amazing.

(02:27:16):
And then the scene at the end, I mean the
father son stuff at the end, Jesus Christ. I was
in tears, tears at the end of the I've seen
the movie three times now because of I just love
the majesty of Gammel del Toro telling this story, and
the costume design, the sets like Crystal Walltz is great,
and then you get to that and then the progression
of their relationship, and just like I was talking about earlier,

(02:27:39):
you know, the the arrogance of competition, the drive of
competition when you have a hearty belief in yourself, and
the humility that you must learn to embrace when the
thing you created has brought out the monster in you.
And that is amazing, you know, And so I thought
that was a great message from the movie as well. Yeah,

(02:28:02):
A House of Dynamite didn't get any nominations from for
Catherine Bigelow for Netflix. That was really surprising. I liked
that movie, you know, I know the third act is
some people don't like the third act. I didn't mind
the third act. I like movies that are ambiguous. But yeah,
that's a big surprise that it didn't get nominated either,
because people like Catherine Bigelow people, especially in the industry.
So but maybe that's a Netflix thing. Maybe that's another

(02:28:24):
shot at Netflix, you know. And that's another thing about
the merger. Maybe this is a way for Netflix to
finally get a little bit of credibility. If they buy
Warner Brothers, no all goes through and they start putting
out Warner Brothers films in the theaters and respecting theatrical
windows for the big films and maybe some of the
medium sized films. That could change people's attitudes towards Netflix

(02:28:48):
in the industry. For award shows, and no matter what
Netflix acts like and what Sarando says, they want oscars,
they wouldn't be submitting their films for oscars that they
didn't want oscars. They want to win them. And so
maybe by being a part of the old Hollywood system
with w B, they'll borrow some of that credibility for

(02:29:09):
themselves in their project, and they find themselves winning awards
in ways they didn't in the past. That's very possible
because people vote. People in the industry vote for them.
And so if you're gonna threaten their industry by shortening
theatrical windows by sending a lot of movies to streaming,
you're not gonna get nominated for shit and you're not
gonna win shit. And it's just the honest truth. So

(02:29:31):
I think this is a way of maybe just repairing
those bridges a little bit. We'll see. We'll see. Yeah,
no Gilded Age nominations, which is surprising for a lot
of people, Like it's that HBO show, especially Kerry Coon
is so great on that show. And then Amanda Seafree
get nominated for Long Bright River, which I didn't see
on Peacock, but I hear good things about. I should

(02:29:52):
give that thing a shot for sure. Helen Mirren get
nominated for mob Land, she was fucking great and then
settling it Moblin, I don't think. Yeah, women Masako being
snubbed for Sinners, that's frustrating. I thought she was great
in Sinners, so I don't understand why she was snubbed
in Sinners, and I also don't think, yeah, I don't,
I don't know. I might put her in over Tiana Taylor,

(02:30:14):
you know, not that I need to move out a
black woman for a black woman, but like thinking, right
off hand, I love Tianna in the movie, but I
just feel like she was only in a little bit
of the movie. Now. I know time doesn't matter, I
get that, but it's not like Judy Dench. It's a
different type of thing. Although Judy Densher is not in
the movie for more than what nine minutes and Shakespeare

(02:30:35):
in Love, the energy of Judy Densher is all over
that movie the whole time, and it's not quite the
same thing in One Battle because Chase kind of fills
that role. If DiCaprio had spent a majority of the
movie trying to find Tana Taylor, then that's a whole
another ballgame, because her energy is all over the movie.
But she disappeared such a long stretch of time, whereas

(02:30:55):
Woman Masako was all throughout Sinners. It is an essential
part of that movie working, you know, so I think
she deserved it more. Blue Moon earning a Best Picture nod,
that one from Mitchell link Lend with Ethan Hawke really
surprising for me. Rachel said, it didn't make the cut
for I Love LA. I'm not surprised. That's a divisive show.

(02:31:16):
It has its fans, so it's getting a second season.
But you know that show is a tough watch for
those of us who are of a certain age. It's
like either PTSD from living in La or these characters
are not that not characters you necessarily want to watch
on the show. So yeah, K Pop Demon Hunters gets
a nod for box office achievement, even though it was
only the box office for a couple of weeks. So

(02:31:38):
very weird. Golden Gloves are so weird. Like I don't
want to talk too much shit because I hope one
day I could be hired to work for the Golden
Globes to be a critic on the movie though, because
that's like six figures and you watch movies all year. Heybe,
I'll do it in a heartbeat. But yeah, it's confusing.
Catherine Nas and Sean ANDOZI snub for the pit right.

(02:31:58):
A lot of people were surprised by that because Sean.
I think Sean won an Emmy for his work on
the pit. But I think maybe as a director or producer,
not necessarily as as an actor. So yeah, Third Knives
Out movie didn't make the cut again, possibly a Netflix slub.
The Girlfriend was nominated and Robin Wright as well. Ashley

(02:32:21):
Walters was nominated for Adolescence. That was good to see
because she was so great as the mom. And I
recently saw, because you guys know, I'm an anglophile, I
recently saw a show that's on to be if you
guys have to me, and that's free. That's an app
that's free. You can download an Apple TV on Roku.
It's a great show called Wolf that is on to

(02:32:42):
b W O l F E and it stars the
actor from from Alien Earth, the guy who played the cyborg.
Is that right, the guy played the sideboard. He is
the lead of that show Wolf. What's his name again, Yes, Bobus.

(02:33:04):
He is great on that show. And Natalia Tenna from
About a Boy and Harry Potter, she is his wife
slash ex wife on the show. And he's leading a
team of detectives on the show. And Ashley Walters is
great on that show as someone who has an interest
in him but also someone who is calling him out

(02:33:25):
on his bullshit throughout. So it's a fun little six
episode detective show. But there are they are forensics people,
and so the way they approach crime scenes are completely different.
But it's an unusual show that I really like. So
so yeah, I enjoyed that. Now what about critics choice?
Let me see, let's let's finish off with critics choice.

(02:33:47):
Is there critics a choice thing where they talk about
some of the snubs? Oh? No, here we go, yes, yes,
is that right? Although theo's that's a golden glow. All right,
let me find the critics choe stuff and then we'll
wrap up here. Also because I put it in a
rundown Kelsey Grammar. Yeah, what a moronic thing to say,
to say that Trump is one of the greatest presidents ever.

(02:34:08):
I mean, as I tweeted out, the man's got to
toss salad and scrambled eggs for brains. Now to say
stuff like that. And I love I love Frasier like
Fraser is probably my second or third favorite sitcom ever.
Like ever, I still watch reruns all the time because
that's such an incredibly well written and well acted show.
Tight show. But yeah, it's to say dumb shit like that.

(02:34:33):
It's just I don't know. It just didn't make any
sense to me because there's been a lot of divisiveness.
His poll numbers are going down, and so it's just
a shame, all right, So I guess there's not okay nominations. Yeah,
I mean the critic's choice is pretty much spot on.
Christian and I covered it don the Christian Harlove Show,

(02:34:55):
so if you want to see her thoughts on that,
it was pretty spot on. I'm happy for Marty Supreme.
That's I think Hamnet one battle after another and Marty
Supreme my top three right now that are battling for position.
And I think, in my opinion, if either one of
those three wins Best Picture, I'm not gonna complain. I
think there are issues with Sinners. I think there are

(02:35:15):
issues with I don't know how we can for good.
I don't understand that. But whatever it got nominated for
Best Picture, I don't understand that it will not get
it out. If that gets the Best Picture Oscar nomination,
I'll be surprised. I'll be really surprised. Charlamague for Best Actor. Absolutely,
I think he's gonna win this thing. Although I'm very
happy to see Joel Edgerston nominate for Training Dreams. If
you've got to watch the Man that's on Netflix, highly

(02:35:37):
recommend Trained Dreams. It is such a moving piece. For
those of you who might be Terrence Malick fans, it's
Terrence Malick, but with a through line. It's not Terrence
Malick all over the places as recent films have been.
It's Terrence Malick with a through line. Superiod piece for
Listeny Jones. Is Dan Good in it as well, And
it's a commentary on living life when you've come from

(02:36:00):
a situation that isn't that great. And he's a character
who is very quiet as he processes and progresses like
he observes life, and then he loses or experiences some tragedy,
and just where he's about to get swallowed up by
that tragedy, he discovers a new appreciation and so highly

(02:36:24):
recommend the movie. It's so good. Yeah, Wagner Mora for
a Secret Agent might win. A lot of people think
he's a dark horse. Best actress Jesse Buckley certainly is
going to win in my opinion, but a lot of
people thought rose Byrne give a run for money. So
we'll see it to pre be those two battling it out.
Best Supporting Actor one battle after another. Del Toro is
coming on a lord's grave, Mescal, Yes, Sean Penn Adam

(02:36:46):
Sandler's Guard's guard. Yeah. I still think Sean Penn's to lose,
but I wouldn't be surprised now, Like as Jeff has
been saying for quite some time, that Del Toro made
slide in and steal this thing from it. It's very possible,
especially when you watch that Actors on Actors with him
and Julia Roberts. Oh, that was a bit of a
train wreck. Best Bording Actress el Fanning, Ariana Grande inga

(02:37:06):
Ib's daughter Lily as from Sentiment of Value, Amy Madigan
weapons I the game you should win. I don't know
what people are talking about. I think that's a damn
good performance and it should win. The Oscar good to see,
Woomy Masak would be nominated for Critics Choice, and Tanna Taylor,
so I like that all of them are in that
category as well. Best Director pta Ryan Coogler, Del Toro,
Josh Safti, Joaquing Trier, Cloju No surprise, those are all

(02:37:28):
the best films of the year, So no Surprise are
nominated for Best Director. Yeah, and so good stuff. They're good,
I know, not really a lot of complaints about critics choice.
Very proud. Not everything I voted for got in, but
a lot of what I voted for got in, and
so I'm very proud of that list overall. All Right, Well,
I think that's Amy Amy Amy, Yeah, yeah, Amy Madigan exactly?

(02:37:52):
Is haimnt good? Yes, it's fucking excellent, dude, It's excellent.
Heiman is excellent. All right, So adel Roy, though I
would have liked to see him, I thought he was
snubbed too. I would like to see him get in there.
Delroy is so good. I don't disagree with you. I
think you move. I think you move Paul Muscalat and
move Delroy Lindo. It not that Mescal didn't do a

(02:38:13):
good job with him meet, but I've seen Paul act
in other things, and I think Paul delivered a solid,
strong performance. But it was there to elevate Jesse Buckley,
and I don't think what he did separate was necessarily
as powerful worthy of a nomination. I'm not complaining. I'm

(02:38:34):
just saying that I don't necessarily think it was better
than what Delroy did in Sinners, which is a much
more attention for everything. All right, let's see these last
super chats streamlains, we'll get on out of here. Is
I've been on for two overs four to three hours
for Fox's sake, Jay Scott a real supersticker that you, Jay,
I appreciate you, brother, Dougan o'nims says, I love this
trip down memory lane. Do you see yourself pulling a
Dan and Christiana returning home to Virginia and doing your

(02:38:55):
show close to the family. No. I love my mom,
I love my sister, I love my brother and my family.
That's there. But Virginia is not the state for me anymore.
I'm happy where I'm at here, and I think, honestly,
the next move will be overseas. I think that's something
the Lady out I have really talked about a lot.

(02:39:16):
Moving to England is very much a real possibility for us,
but it would have to be the right situation. We
probably have to plan out for the next five years
to make that happen. So I think that would be
the plan going forward if that happened. If that happen,
I mean, that's such a pipe dream. So many more
things would have to fall into place financially for us
to make the move to England and work wise as well.

(02:39:38):
But it's certainly something we've considered and talked about. But no,
I mean, unless something happens with my mom that I
need to move back, it's not really something that I'm
thinking about. I think about moving back to LA and
more than I thinking about moving back to Virginia for sure.
Drew S is thanks John, this is all great content.
Oh thank you, Drew. I appreciate that. John Wallace just

(02:39:58):
says hello, thank you, johnppreciate you, man, thank you for
saying hello. John Burkhardt from one former Master Control Operated
to another. Respect Yeah, you remember the salad days of
that shit man commercial hit the button commercial them, Oh
it got stuck. It's not playing shit shit shit, Oh man,
those days. John also says you need to you need

(02:40:20):
to talk louder because my wife is yelling at the Eagles.
Yes they are losing. Oh shit, did they lose? Did
the Eagles lose? I didn't even see. Oh no, they're
winning right now over the Chargers. Oh thank god. It
didn't start Herbert tonight and I started, Well, then I
gotta started Patrick only got eight points. Uh. Secular Monk
sixty five twenty seven says, what if the future of
physical media if the Netflix merger goes through as a
physical media collector, losing WB and alts movies will kill

(02:40:41):
Blue Rice bro It's been going that direction anyway. Like,
I don't know what to tell you to hold on
to things that are I have lived through eight tracks
and laser discs, you know, like those things go out.
I remember, remember when Spielberg and Lucas had a program
where you could buy a disc and watch the movie,

(02:41:01):
and after twenty times the disc would stop working. Remember that.
I remember that technology. I've lived through it all man,
And if people are no longer buying it, they're going
to stop making it, just as if people aren't no
longer going to movie theaters are great numbers, movie theaters
are going to start closing. It's always about the public demand.

(02:41:25):
And so you may you may want this to keep going,
but the truth is there aren't a lot of physical
media people. And no matter how much people yell about
physical media and yell at other people to get physical media,
if people don't want to get physical media, they're not
going to get physical media. No matter how much you yell.
And so eventually it is going to die out. It's
going to be select titles. It's not going to be everything,

(02:41:46):
and it shouldn't be everything, by the way, and that's
the way it's going to go, you know. And it's unfortunate.
I am a collector of physical media. I do not
own anything digitally except for like, you know, Top Gun
or something on the computer, which I got years ago.
But I think it's like seven. I have The Town,
Top Gun and like The Incredibles and four other movies.

(02:42:08):
I think Apple USA is on there randomly. I've got
like seven eight movies digital on the computer. But everything
else I have is physical media. And I will be
moving those bookcases behind me so that we'll have a
physical media kind of display behind me as well in
the near future when I finally buy the wall slats
and make the move for the look of the new

(02:42:28):
look of the of the of the studio. But yes,
so eventually it is going to go away, you know.
I mean best by the fact that best Buy isn't
like completely got rid of their physical media, that should
tell you something. Costco stopped selling physical media years ago,
and so those are those indicators. It's not because they're like,
we don't want to give it to you. It's because

(02:42:49):
not enough of you are buying it, so why should
we keep sinking costs into making it. That's the unfortunate
truth of things, and that's where it's going right now.
You know, physical media is for everyone. I know it is.
I know it is, all right, and let's seef we've
got any so many super any streamlines that come through. No,
no on the streamlines. All right, let's wrap it up here.

(02:43:10):
Thank you guys so much for hanging out with me tonight.
I went way over what I anticipated. I only want
to go on for two hours. I went to two
hours forty five minutes. But I hope you don't mind it.
And as I said, this is start preparing yourself. This
is going to be a regular occurrence. Hopefully a lot
of you will start showing up consistently when I do
these live shows, because I essentially want to become like
drive Time for you guys, like Christians in the morning.

(02:43:32):
I want to own the drive time slot, maybe three
to six every day or four to six every day,
because I don't want to stop by six so I
can go to screenings but that is kind of my
thought pattern as we go into the new year. It's
a challenging decision, but it's something I want to kind
of challenge myself to do and see how far I

(02:43:52):
can take it, and challenge myself to create new segments,
bring on guests, talk about other topics. This is the truth,
so it isn't just entertainment, and I want to be
able to because I think our world is becoming a
much more melded world where the lines are much more
brelerry or between politics and entertainment and sports and all

(02:44:14):
this stuff, like I think and the world affairs. I
think all of it is bleeding into itself or seeing
that now. So talking about all of it, giving myself
a place to talk about all of it and hearing
from you all, I think it would be great. And
that might be a way to explore YouTube memberships as well,
which is something I really want to open the door
to as well, another avenue for doing that. It's good.

(02:44:36):
So yes, So thank you guys. You guys have been amazing.
Princess says, I love how long this livestream is gone.
Roca helped me get through bedtime of a toddler. Thank you. So,
oh that's good. I appreciate any help I could do
for you guys. So yeah, one hundred percent. So we
will see what So look for announcements coming soon and
I'll probably fold Spill the Tequila into it, so it

(02:44:57):
would be like the job would be the truth and
then spill the Tegula would come on like an hour
after the show started, and then Winds to Night would
do our regular Spill the Tequila show, and then I
would stay on like a half an hour afterwards to
kind of wrap things up after Winston left. So that
would be the plan. Now. I think the only night
we wouldn't do that is the Hot Mic night, which
is Thursday night, so that'll stay its own thing. But

(02:45:18):
every other night, I think I'm going to try to
do a live show, and on the weekends, I'm going
to try to do content for the weekends as well,
like two videos a week, two videos a day on
the weekend as well. So that's the point. It's a
lot of work, so but thank you all so much.
Please remember subscribe to the channel down below hit that
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(02:45:39):
Paramount WBN, Netflix, with the Critics' Choice Awards, with the
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(02:46:01):
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(02:46:42):
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(02:47:03):
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