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Speaker 1 (00:12):
Yo, what's up everybody? Welcome to a brand new live
episode of Spill the Tequila here on the John Roka Channel.
I am John Roky Jones is always by the man himself,
King Swag Winston, Hey Marshall, how are you Winston?

Speaker 2 (00:27):
I mean, Roc, I can't describe the feeling of waking
up to the virtually the best possible news you could get,
Like it's it's hard.

Speaker 1 (00:41):
It's hard to describe the feeling.

Speaker 2 (00:43):
Man, it is something that I think few people will
ever truly understand.

Speaker 1 (00:51):
But like.

Speaker 2 (00:53):
He's gone, Nico is gone, and my god, the I
have had so many jokes over the course of the day,
seen so many other MAVs fans like also a lot
of this, and then the people that are trying to
push back and be like, y'all they're stupid, like he

(01:15):
didn't even have time, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:17):
Injuries.

Speaker 2 (01:18):
It's like, well, first of all, what was the first
thing we said about this trade to get rid of
Luca and add Anthony Davis? That Anthony Davis gets hurt
And he's already had three major injuries since he arrived
in Dallas, Like first it was his ab thing that
he was dealing with. Then he had his retina detached
over the summer and now it's his cat, Like, nah, bro,

(01:40):
absolutely not, And there's no hate. There's no hate for
the people on the team. That was the whole thing.
Those fire and neco chants weren't about we hate you.
They were about this was a stupid decision ended up
in the like and like Cooper Flag's a rookie that
was not the plan, got lucky and if you didn't

(02:02):
get lucky, collusion, Like.

Speaker 1 (02:05):
It was one of the other.

Speaker 2 (02:06):
Like it's either you were lucky as ship or collusion.
That's that's pretty much how that works. So like, man,
we it was a it was a great day. The
number of people being like, my brother didn't know about
this whole thing like that he just goes, hey, isn't
that Dad's friend because that y'all know, I've said this
before that my dad is like golf poker buddies with

(02:27):
Nico Harrison.

Speaker 1 (02:28):
So that became a whole thing this summer.

Speaker 2 (02:31):
And I was like, yep, and I'm glad he's gone.
And I've been trying real hard not.

Speaker 1 (02:35):
To troll dad all day.

Speaker 2 (02:39):
So yeah, man, it's it's it's been good. It's been
that's the best possible way to wake up. I can
only think of one other one. I can think of
two other ones. I can think of two other ways
to wake up that would be glorious, yeah, and neither
safe for work. Say one of them involves my fiance.
So like I'm not you know, we're just gonna chill easy.

(03:02):
Will definitely dive.

Speaker 1 (03:02):
Into it more For those of you who maybe not
don't know about that. Nico Harrison was fired by the
Dallas Mavericks, the guy who traded Luca Donches to the Lakers,
and Luca got into you Divorced Me shape, and he
is killing it with the Lakers right now without Lebron.
They're eight and three. Amazing stuff. But of course the
Mavericks are slowly sinking into the quagmire. So we will

(03:25):
get into that certainly a little bit later on in
the show, and some NFL stuff as well, but we
got to start with some DC news and just a
reminder of the stream lab of super chats our open.
It is Veterans Day, Sending your love, sending you questions,
thoughts and comments, and anybody who's celebrating Veterans Day today
or honoring people who served our country with the ultimate sacrifice.
You know, as a former military man, I respect anyone

(03:47):
who's seen a theater of war and is either injured
or passed away defending our country and our freedom. We
sent all our love out to the veterans who are
were honoring Veterans Day today and any of the family
members and friends who wanted them as well. For you
for your service, Roka, I appreciate you, Brody, thank you,
It's very kind of you. Thanks to everyone who served
in a theater of war. Much love to them apps

(04:07):
as well. But we're starting off with this oh so
not this on this one, this DC stuff. Let's get
into it. Man Winston, you know you're on CAPON. Coll's
I host geek Buddies. We talk about things of superhero nature.
And apparently today they announced that the Jimmy Olsen series
is a go. It's coming to us from the American
vand ol guys. Who if you guys remember that docu

(04:28):
series which was hilarious from Dan Pearl and Toni Ya Senda.
They are taking over to show run this series and
we're getting a Viva Vendetta series. Some of you remember
that movie from a few years ago. No, you remember
that mask. If you know, the Outlaw and the Viva
Vendentta series is happening under James Gunns Auspices as an
executive producer. We won't be show running it, but he

(04:48):
will be epeing it. So fascinating duo of announcements here, Winston.
On the DC side of things, what stands out for you?
Are you excited about a Daily Planet series with Schyler
Joson No, leading is Jimmy Olsen. There probably won't be
a Low's Lane, probably won't be a Clark Kent, but
you get everyone else including Wendell Pierce, Perry White there
and then they be for Vendetta series. What are your

(05:09):
thoughts on this?

Speaker 2 (05:10):
I mean, dude, I love v for Vendetta, so I'm
I'm here for it to like have a series of it.
I'm curious. I feel like if there was ever a
time yeah to talk about you know, revolution and standing
up to the authoritarian rule. Hey, like, by all means,

(05:32):
I'm surprised they got greenlit at all.

Speaker 1 (05:35):
Yeah, I'm gonna be honest with you.

Speaker 2 (05:37):
And especially if there is this this actual push to
have Paramount by Warner r R, that might be the
first thing they canceled like GOA be honest with you,
they might be the first thing to be like Redundant CD,
it will be gone. But yeah, man, I'm here for it.

(05:59):
I honestly, like I'm not opposed to the Jimmy Olsen thing,
but I just I still stand by the fact that,
like I really really liked Superman, I just felt like
it was a little overstuffed as far as characters. I
don't think that there were too many storylines, but I
think you were doing a lot and so it'll be

(06:22):
interesting to see that kind of roll out and follow that.
But I'm more interested in, like I don't know if
I missed that in your breakdown, Like have they said
anything more about the Mister Terrific project they were talking about.

Speaker 1 (06:33):
Because no, not at all. Nothing has been said recently
about the Mister Terrific situation.

Speaker 2 (06:37):
I would want that infinitely more yes than a Jimmy
Olsen whatever, because the jit Like I think that he
Skylar did a good job for what he was asked
to do, but like it was about her what having ugly.

Speaker 1 (06:50):
Toes or something.

Speaker 2 (06:51):
Yeah, it was it was a stupid gag that like
it was more interesting to see mister terrific's like behavior
and how he was handling situations and how much of
a badass he was then to like follow Jimmy around
as he you know, gets bitches and and and stallves
crimes like I don't like, I don't know, I just okay, yeah,

(07:13):
I mean.

Speaker 1 (07:13):
It's a it's a fascinating decision. I have to believe
James had this already in his mind with the casting,
because he casts pretty much almost all TV actors to
play the roles in in the Daily Planet except for Skyler,
who has done of course a number of films. So
Scott of leading the way that makes sense as Jimmy Olsen,
people love Jimmy Olsen. I imagine you're gonna get Eve

(07:34):
test Maker back, You'll have Kat Grant, you'll have the
other people who were involved, and you might even get
Michael ian Black as the counter to the Daily Planet.
That could be interesting as the right wing sort of
approach to it. Could be curious to see how that
goes down. But I and they're gonna introduce, you know,
villains that they're gonna throw into that place where Peacemaker

(07:55):
is in right now. So I guess it's a way.
But this is. I guess it's fine, But this is
also a situation where didn't James say you weren't gonna
need to watch everything to get what's going on? And
here we go a TV series that is probably going
to introduce some of the villains they are going to
be showing up in the theatrical universe first in the
TV series. And I want to go back to your

(08:17):
reaction to it. I've seen this from a lot of
DC people online. They're not necessarily that excited to see
a Jimmy Olsen Daily Planet series that is not gonna
have Lewis Lane or Clark Kent be a part of it.
So how exciting is this really going to be? You know?
And so I just wonder if they made the right
decision here by playing it safe with a Jimmy Olsen series,

(08:39):
because just because you like Scotlar Gizondo does not mean
that you should build a whole series around him as
Jimmy Olsen. You know. No, I agree.

Speaker 2 (08:46):
I think the way to do it, to be honest
with you, would have had Skyler work with like a
writer or something like that, and to do.

Speaker 1 (08:55):
A Jimmy TikTok series. To be honest with you. Oh,
that's a great thing. That would have been really unique.

Speaker 2 (09:01):
Yeah, you could have had that in the like keep
a cont like you don't have to run it all
the time, like maybe you've run it the course of
a season of television.

Speaker 1 (09:08):
So if you do it for you know, you can
you obviously.

Speaker 2 (09:11):
Can pre record everything, right, It's supposed to be taking
place within the world of DC, not in the real world.

Speaker 1 (09:17):
So shoot whatever you need to shoot, have that be
live for like maybe a.

Speaker 2 (09:23):
You know, a video a week type thing until the
next Superman movie or till Supergirl or whatever, and and
and do something like that, because again you could shoot
if the course of time it takes to shoot a
movie a couple of months, right yeah, or a TV
show a couple of months, I guarantee you could probably
get all the shit done in about three or four weeks,

(09:44):
right uh, And and just have that all be shot
and then release and do it that way.

Speaker 1 (09:48):
That would have been interesting.

Speaker 2 (09:49):
But just a straight TV show about Jimmy and doing
all this, it's fine. But like you said, if if
the point is to not give homework, you're doing the
exact opposite. And it's not that Jimmy isn't an interesting character.
But the truth of the matter is, of all of
the characters involved in Superman's life, for me, at least,
he's not super high priority, like it's it's Clark slash Superman,

(10:13):
it's Car slash Supergirl, it's Lois, it's Hell. I'm surprised
I didn't do a Crypto the way they did that.
I am groot she didn't do some sort of kid
show with like with Crypto's Adventures or something like that.
You know, I would be more interested in a Daily
Planet show than I would just a Jimmy show, Like

(10:33):
if Jimmy was the lead of it, sure, but like
you tried to force all these Daily Planet characters into
my life. I would rather you give me a show
like I haven't seen the Paper. I don't know if
you did, if it was it or not.

Speaker 1 (10:46):
It's a fine show, but it's fine.

Speaker 2 (10:49):
I think, attack the Office, but do it with the
Daily Planet and just call it the Planet like that
would have been hilarious. And you've already have comedic g
I mean, Skyler is very funny, yeah, Beck, Bennett and
Bennett like you got you got Ballers and at any time,
like it's.

Speaker 1 (11:07):
Like, where's Lois where's Clark?

Speaker 2 (11:09):
It could be like, man, you know they screw it
in the in the supply closet, or I don't know,
he said he was on a vacation, or you can
come up with any number of excuses, and maybe the
every time you don't see Clark, you just see a
blur go by of like like whatever, It's like, what
the hell was that?

Speaker 1 (11:24):
Man?

Speaker 2 (11:24):
They got to fix that draft, Like there are so
many things you could have done with that that I
personally would have found more interesting. So I'm just curious,
like I'm going to need more details because just off rip,
I don't care.

Speaker 1 (11:36):
Well, do you does the fact that they're focusing on
Gorilla Grod? Because and they said the first season, so
there's an implication that says going to be a multiple
season show. The first season would be focusing on Gorilla Grod,
who's yes, well known to the people in the comic
book bubble, but isn't really that well known to the casuals.
So is this go? And you look at the numbers

(11:57):
for Peacemaker, The numbers for Peacemaker were not good. The
viewership numbers. If you look at the viewership numbers, only
the finale was able to break the Nielsen Top ten
ratings or whatever, but the other numbers for the the
show were not great. So that's an issue that well,
is TV where you're supposed to be introducing these characters
that you're going to launch into the theatrical universe as

(12:18):
you're leading to some crisis on Infinite Earth type of thing.
Is this really the smart move? I think there's a
question to be asked about this decision.

Speaker 3 (12:25):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (12:25):
I think the other element to it that's interesting is
the idea of I've always known Gorilla Grod is like
DC villain in general, but more.

Speaker 1 (12:34):
As a Flash villain.

Speaker 2 (12:35):
So it's also weird to me that it's not to
say you can't have the crossover or the bleedover whatever.
It's the DC universe. It is where it is, and
he's font Superman plenty of times. I just that's another
thing that's just a little weird to me.

Speaker 1 (12:47):
I guess, yeah, And I would also venture.

Speaker 2 (12:53):
I guess it's not to say that these like super
villains with crazy powers and stuff aren't something that Jimmy
would potentially come across or anything like that, but there's
something about Jimmy being able to overturn Alex Luthor's scandal,
who's obviously a super villain. But yeah, you know, you're
talking about money and politics, which is more what journalists
are gonna be able to do. What story is Jimmy

(13:15):
gonna write that's gonna overturn Gorilla Grod's grand plan? Like, well,
it'll mind scramble you and crush you like a soda can.
Like I'm not, It's just it's a little it's a
little weird to me, unless he's like uncovering that Gorilla
Grod was mind controlling the person behind something, in which
case you've already ruined the fact that Grod's involved. Right

(13:36):
to me, I am not anti them rolling stuff out
and putting stuff out there, But if you're just asking
me about my interest and what I think about these
kind of I'm they don't have me that excited because
I just think there are better ways to potentially attack this,
and I stand by the idea of and maybe the

(13:58):
Jimmy Oulsten show is more at out the planet and
it's just being Jimmy is the lead and that's the
way you're going. Okay, well, then I'll see that when
we get the trailer or everything else. But the initial
announcement isn't isn't tickling my pickle at all, Like I'm chilling,
Like I.

Speaker 1 (14:12):
Know, I think of a content creator. I went to
lunch with recently and he told me, you know, the
few weeks after Superman already been released, he was like,
I still I'm gonna do one more Superman video and
I was like, what people are still He's like, oh yeah,
I got I can I can squeeze one more video
out of it. And this is what it feels like
James Gunn is doing with his Superman saga right now,
is that he's trying to like a content creator. He's

(14:34):
trying to squeeze out multiple videos but in this but
in this case, there are multiple projects out of the
success of Superman. Let's get that sequel going, I've got
Supergirl coming, I got to possibly miss a terrific series
rolling through. I've got I've got a a version of
a Peacemaker season three, but it's gonna be something else.
And then I've got this Daily Planet show. And so

(14:54):
it's just like he's trying to squeeze everything out of
this thing to create this saga, and I I don't know,
I don't know necessarily people are going to be excited
about it, and is it going to outstay its welcome?
You know. The guys who wrote it or are going
to write it wrote Strays, which was a fine funny movie,
but there were some jokes that really didn't land in
that comedy. I loved every second. Shit, Okay, your your

(15:18):
cup of tea. But I think the number one thing
people and people are commenting in our chat saying it
we want superheroes, we don't want this, and.

Speaker 2 (15:25):
So that's the problem, right, That's that's the problem. And
I think that's where a lot of people would miss stuff.
The only time that that stuff works is like as
a small offshoot and because it has a tie. So
I think about like some of the smaller things that
Marvel did in like the the initial Infinity saga, like

(15:46):
having the little short film thing where Thor has a roommate. Yeah,
the one shots, yeah, yeah, Like those were those were
like interesting because like Thor was still involved. You know,
it's like so he's not you know, slinging lightning or anything,
but the idea of him having a roommate of Mure
being a.

Speaker 1 (16:02):
Problem, like that's funny. It's becomes a little fish out
of water type scenario.

Speaker 2 (16:07):
I even if it's like a comedy journalist thing, like
I already you know that wasn't comedy, but I already
watched the sort can show.

Speaker 1 (16:17):
The newsroom already watched the morning show.

Speaker 2 (16:19):
So like, again, this isn't necessarily a bad idea, but
it's not exciting, you.

Speaker 1 (16:28):
Know what I'm saying. There's not that I.

Speaker 2 (16:32):
Don't let me tell you how to run your studio,
but you would think that like you said, we want Superhero,
so put out Superman and then put out Supergirl and
then put out you know, mister Terrific, and and Lanton
like focus on the reason we're here.

Speaker 1 (16:46):
Nobody nobody tunes.

Speaker 2 (16:48):
In to Batman for Bob that you know, rob By
two face, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (16:55):
It's like they're interested in that storyline.

Speaker 2 (16:58):
If he let me talk about the time I met Batman,
and then the whole story is like okay, I gotta
follow Bob around here, and it's like, oh man, and
then you wan on this misaventure.

Speaker 1 (17:07):
We have crazy you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (17:09):
That's why you're into it unless you're telling me that
ultimately we're gonna see Hella soups involved in this Jimmy show. Okay, yeah,
you know what I'm saying, Like, I enjoyed Gotam for
what it was, but I'm keeping at a book, like
as interesting as Jim Gordon is, and he is interesting
every day, we didn't have a Batman.

Speaker 1 (17:28):
I was like, yeah, yeah, even when you're reading GCPD,
which was a really good series, you wanted Batman in more,
more of the series than he was and it just
got a little at times. We got a little frustrating.
So that's the things you run into. And once you
have the superheroes that are in their world, you've got
to get them into a series.

Speaker 2 (17:47):
So dude, I am literally imagining a Daily Planet show. Shit,
maybe I need to go pitch this a Daily Planet
show again. It's just like the officer doing a mockumentary
style stuff or whatever. Yeah, and it's like, okay, we
got to get this deadline out. You know, the the
the Gotham Knights are playing the Metropolis Sentins and this
is like the super Bowl Man, like, we gotta we
gotta make it happen, you know, we gotta get down

(18:08):
to the thing. Oh dude, live Wire just came through
it shorted out everybody's cars, like, we have no way
to get to the stadium. So then it's the whole
sitcom episode of trying to get to the day thing.
They go to the they go to get on the train,
the train shut down because live wire went through there too.
Like stuff like that would be hilarious and I would
totally watch that because now you're you're you're taking what
makes sitcoms funny. Yeah, you're just plugging it into a

(18:31):
superhero world. That would be really funny.

Speaker 1 (18:34):
But shit, maybe I do pitch this. Somebody texts Coy,
tell him I got an idea. Yeah, so we'll see.
We'll see. But the V for Vendetta one, I'm a
little more excited about that, although I don't know. I mean,
I don't know too much about this dude's work. Who
is running the V for Vendetta one? What is it?

(18:57):
Pete Jackson, not Peter Jackson, Pete Jackson, Death of Bunny Monroe,
I don't know anything about that. And the executive producers
Ben Stevenson and Leeann Klein, of course, with Gunn and
Peter Saffron, I don't know them too much. But I,
as you said, I love this series as well's. I
still have the first additions of the run, like I

(19:18):
collected them, and I have them in one of my
wooden boxes that I keep certain comics in because they
were so precious to me. And of course I bought
the collection as well and enjoyed that. So it's a
really great story. And you're right, the authoritarian approach for
an hour, day and age is a fascinating thing. But
why do this? Why do v for Vendetta? Is this
because you know, you made a lot of strong commentary

(19:40):
and peacemaker about the authoritarian regimes and and even Superman
to a degree, about the idea of what billionaires with
power and tech bros. So is this political commentary through?
Is that why he's chosen to be for Vendetta? Because
he wants to take a shot at Trump and the
idea of what's going on now in our society. It's
a fascinating decision, especially because as is a very well

(20:00):
known MAGA guy. So for Gun to make this decision,
I think is really curious. And there's rumors, as you said,
that whoever's gonna come in is gonna throw Gun out
and start to see all over again. If they sell
Warner Brothers. Is this gun trying to get this out
before that sale eventually happens and he gets shut off,
the off the DC brand, you know. I mean we

(20:22):
are coming up on the twentieth anniversary, so maybe that
has something to do with it.

Speaker 2 (20:26):
Yeah, yeah, it's it's it's just interesting. I mean, they
are supposed to be able to do what they want
to do, so it is what it is, like, go
for it. But the air concerns, I'm I'm I'm concerned
that we're gonna hear about this thing and it's gonna
be super exciting, only for it to legitimately just be
torn as under like the minute the sale happens, because

(20:48):
it's been it's been straight up said yeah that they're
done with the quote unquote woke stuff and we're gonna
make it more MAGA friendly over here. And and the
the whole point like part of the thing is other
then the idea of like, oh hey, you know, we

(21:09):
want the ip of Warner. That's why this idea of
we're gonna ASTs all sorts of content. I always thought
it was silly that it was like, look, you by
owning Paramount already and looking at CBS and how they've
run things, They've cornered the market, and all sorts of
stuff that people that are our Mega or Middle America
or anything love, like, I mean legitimately, like every all

(21:31):
the csis, the NCIS is Two Broke Girls when it
was out, Big Bang Theory when it was out, What's
the One now with Tim.

Speaker 1 (21:39):
Allen and Kat Dennings Shifting Years.

Speaker 2 (21:43):
There's a number of shows that that people love, So
I don't understand the idea of not having a true
media landscape board. There's something for everybody. This random idea
of we're only going to show this one thing is
kind of dumb, just because different people have different interests,

(22:04):
have different belief systems, and the point of media is
supposed to be this idea that you can not only
see a reflection of yourself, that you could see other things. Yes,
this idea of clamping down on that, I don't think
you should. Like, I didn't rock with the Passion of
the Crist when it came out, but I think it
was there was a perfect place for people that that
was important to them, you know what I'm saying, Like,

(22:26):
that's the only part that's weird to me. So I
would love for this Viva Venetta thing to actually get made.
I would love for it to come out and whatever
commentary would needs to be is going to be said
out of it. I think that that would be awesome,
but I don't know if it'll survive it based off
of just things that are going around now. Mind you,
a studio is not gonna stop announcing projects even if
they didn't merger, you know.

Speaker 1 (22:45):
So yeah, it is what it is. Yeah, we'll see,
We'll see what the end result is on these two shows,
and we'll see what happens to the Paralyzed Law show
that was supposed to be about them as Scara and
the ladies there, the Amanda Waller show, you know what's
going to go on with that. So still some questions
hanging around all of this stuff in these announcements, So
we'll see, we'll see, we'll keep tabs on it. Let's

(23:06):
move on to this story. What do you think about this?
Is this happened? Sabrina Carpenter is apparently set to star
and produce in an untitled movie musical based on Lewis
Carroll's Alison Wanted to Land, which has been set up
at Universal Pictures. The original novel follows a girl named
Alice who falls down a rabbit hole to land in
a fantastic, nonsensical world of talking and human like animals,
basically our work. Previous adaptations, of course, the nineteen fifty

(23:29):
one Disney one Tim Burton's One, which grossed over a
billion dollars. I still find that to be fascinating. Hustler's
writer director Lorenz Skafaria will penn and direct the film,
while Mark Platt will produce alongside Leslie Morgenstein and at
least a couple of its Dutton No word yet whether
Ben Platt will have a role as a young child
in that project. And it's the project is to be

(23:50):
passionate one for Sabrina Carpenter fashion project and she's been
working on it for well over a year and what
have you. So I've seen her in SNL. She's fine.
She's no Ariana Grande in terms of acting or whatever.
So it's just hilarious, Like arian is hilarious. Yes, Ariana's

(24:12):
great on that show. Sabrina much less. So does do
you want to see this? Does it make sense?

Speaker 2 (24:18):
I don't know if I remember her much in on SNL,
Like I can only really see Sydney. Yeah, unfortunately in
my mind's eye, which bro the best I've did Sydney
go Back on SNL, or it was just the one episode.
I think it's just that one episode because like the
only thing I remember from that one episode that genuinely

(24:40):
had me laughing was either the Hooters episode, which wasn't
even her doing anything, it was just them being like
titties money like, and then what bo and the Bowen
is Straight thing, which was funny. Yeah, I don't remember
Sabrina Carpenter on SNL, to be honest with just.

Speaker 1 (25:01):
A couple of weeks ago. Again, I haven't.

Speaker 2 (25:03):
I haven't watched a single episode this season yet. I
think I was so turned off by all the random firings.

Speaker 1 (25:08):
I was just like, I'll get to so eventually I'll watch.
But but look, man, she started off as.

Speaker 2 (25:16):
An actress and before she really got into music, because
you know, she's doing all the Disney stuff because like
what she was in What the Hate You Give, which
she was good at that. She was in the Girl
Meets World series, So you know, I'm I'm willing to
check it out and see what's going on there. I
just I've never been big into musicals. Personally, I make exceptions,

(25:39):
but I whatever, I don't need to.

Speaker 1 (25:43):
Be so base about everything to day. But I'm kind
of like, it's fine. Yeah, I haven't seen she hasn't
impressed me in anything that she's ever done. And don't
give me Disney stuff. I mean, come on, don't even
it's not even actually a good child actress though, sure
fine for Disney. Okay, fine, but like that's not I mean,
there's plenty of them, right, I mean, Brittany was good
on Disney and know that or out. The thing you

(26:04):
look at this is that, well is it gonna is?
Can she make the jump? Right? And there was questions
about Ariana Grande and then you saw a Wicked and
we're like, okay, she can make the jump. Will Sabrina
be able to make the jump? I think less so
from what I've seen on ESNL in other places. So
I don't know if this is going to make sense.
But Scafario writing and directing it is very curious to me.
Considering what she did with Hustlers, which was pretty amazing,

(26:27):
what is her angle on Alice in Wonderland? And I now,
I'm really curious to see where she's going to go
with this. I don't know what her experiences with musicals
or directing musicals or what have you. So who are
they going to bring in to be the musical composer
or coordinator for this, to create the lyrics and music

(26:47):
and songs. Will it be all Sabrina songs? Will it
be other people? So there's questions to be had. That
being said, this is clearly a property that makes money.
I mean that the Disney film is one of the
most revered animated films ever, and the Tim Burton one
made a million a billion dollars, so there is a
market for also want to lane. I just wonder what
a current adaptation, what the commentary is on it. If

(27:08):
Sabrina will be great, we will see.

Speaker 2 (27:10):
I mean, I'm looking back at this man and because
now I was like, okay, let me go and just
check her, like go and check her stuff, Like first
of all, yeah, Sabrina's got Sabrina's got some steaze, bro,
because I forgot she was that. I've seen every episode
of SVU way too many times. She was in one
way back on twenty eleven, like she was young, but

(27:31):
she was really good. I do remember this episode and
she did a good job that she couldn't have been
older than maybe six, right, like something like that.

Speaker 1 (27:39):
But she did good there.

Speaker 2 (27:40):
But then beyond that the hate you give I do
remember if I like, she was like the main kind
of like white girl friend slash antagonist to the main
character who was like deal like went to that white,
super rich prep school and was dealing with like a
bunch of you know, microaggressions and like racism within that school,

(28:01):
right while dealing with like, you know, back in her neighborhood,
like you know, family members getting killed and all sorts
of stuff, you know what I'm saying. So, like, Sabrina
was very good in that too, man, So I I
I am not as worried about her acting as I
am about Okay, we're getting to Alice in Wonderland the
last couple of these, let's dive back into Disney kind

(28:24):
of classic princess stories haven't done so hot. So like,
I'm more thinking about snow White than I am worried
about Yeah, Sabrina's acting, you know what I'm saying, Like,
that's more where my mind goes.

Speaker 1 (28:36):
Well, it'll be number one on streaming, as Rachel Zegler
reminded us, earlier this week. You know, so maybe that
Alison number one is snow White number one on streaming
for a little bit. It was when it dropped on Disney,
So you know, look, everybody, Look, that's the funny thing.

Speaker 2 (28:50):
It's not universal, but if you were a big name project,
whether it was good or bad, you're gonna be number
one in streaming for at least a week because people
want to go, Okay, what was it that everybody was
talking about?

Speaker 1 (28:59):
Exactly exactly? Now, yeah, all the bad Marvel films come
out and they're at number one in the streaming of
that week. We want to check it out. So we'll see,
we'll see what this happens with Sabrina and where it
goes overall. But all right, let's get into the thick
of our conversation. Man, let's get into Sydney Sweeney here.
Let's talk about her overall. She was the talk of

(29:20):
the town this week. Christy came out over the weekend
absolutely bombed at the box office. But before it came out,
she gave a number of interviews about the situ. She
gave an interview with GQ about the jeans ad and
the backlash. Remember she said she didn't want to talk
about it when she was at Ida, think it was

(29:41):
Venice or Toronto, And now she's talking about it, and
this interview has become kind of a train wreck in
terms of the reaction from people to this. So let's
play it. Let's play a snippet of it and see
what you all think of this, and we'll talk about
we're sort.

Speaker 3 (29:56):
Of talking around this American ego ad right now and
maybe we should just talk about it. So were you
surprised by the reaction?

Speaker 1 (30:05):
I did a gene ad? Okay, were you surprised by
the reaction? Winston? And her reaction is I did a
gene ad Like it was no big deal. Like the
reaction wasn't like she wasn't involved in the writing and
the conception of this, wasn't involved with the way it
was put out and then people's response to it. I mean,

(30:28):
the reaction definitely was a surprise, but it was I
love gens. Oh, I wear jeans. I'm literally in jeans
and a T shirt like every day in my life.

Speaker 3 (30:40):
Genes are uncontroversial, Genes are awesome. I think I know
how you're gonna answer this, but I'm going to ask anyway.
I mean, the president tweeted about the genes AD or
she was social about the genes ad and that just
seems to me like a very crazy moment for anyone.

Speaker 1 (31:01):
And I wondered what that was like. It was surreal.
It was surreal, all right, So what are your thoughts
on this? Winston? I didn't expect a real answer out
of her.

Speaker 2 (31:17):
Okay, to be honest, like, I don't because she there
was another part of that interview where she goes there
was something I wanted to say, I would say it right, well, yeah,
whether that is her or her PR team, they have
done a very good job of letting the.

Speaker 1 (31:35):
People that want to be all about her, Yes for it, yeah,
but not.

Speaker 2 (31:41):
It's so like they they're not going to ever directly
acknowledge it, but they're not going to turn it away
because the main thing that they're trying to do is
to have her star rise. And it's pretty clear right
now in the public eye, she is more clout for

(32:02):
the conservative base that's like she's blonde and got titties
than like people that are like, man that Sidney Sweeney's
a powerful actress, you know what I'm saying, Like it's
even with because I've I said this about about Christy
that like, I thought that her emotional highs were actually fantastic,

(32:25):
and I thought that that would probably be enough to
get her a nomination. Where I take pause though, the
moments where she's gotta be kind of even or like
even be low energy, her accent was dropping. It felt
like she wasn't always engaged. It felt like I wasn't
watching Christy. I was watching Sidney Sweeney talk to somebody
else like that's so that was my little beef there,

(32:48):
especially when you have a Ben Foster who was on
a tear. He did such a good job. So again,
if I'm grading her, I'm giving her like a BB
minus on that. Like, I don't think that she was
like she was like bad, but I didn't think that
she blew me. But those moments that she was like,

(33:08):
we really need this three pointer.

Speaker 1 (33:10):
Oh she hid it from the logo like that.

Speaker 2 (33:13):
I had those moments, But then when it was time
to go do a layup, I was like, So I
say all that to say that, like, I am not
surprised because this is then on the flip side of this,
I'm sure you've seen the tweets that have gone around
about the PR team.

Speaker 1 (33:29):
To bunk those tweets. They've already been they've already been bunked. Yeah,
because that that isn't Paradigm's actual website address and signature.
So okay, critics have stacked out to say it was
not true.

Speaker 2 (33:41):
Great, it wasn't. I wasn't sure one way or the other,
like cause there I saw too. I saw the one
from Paradigm, and then there was another one of somebody saying, hey,
it's positive on the popcorn meter like the Little Box Office.

Speaker 1 (33:53):
That was also the bunk two. Yes, okay, then then
you know, I to that point, like I don't want
to feed the beast. So it is what it is.
That's why I just want to focus on her responses
and her and and let's play the other one as
you were mentioning here, Winston, which I think is also
the part of the one that.

Speaker 3 (34:11):
The criticism of the content, which was basically that maybe
specifically in this political climate, like white people shouldn't joke
about genetic superiority like that was kind of like the
criticism broadly speaking. And since you are talking about this,
I just wanted to give you an opportunity to talk
about that specifically.

Speaker 1 (34:30):
I think that when I have an issue that I
want to speak about, people hear so that is such.
So so here's the deal. You got a factor in
this one. She's a young person, right, so you got
to throw that in. How many of us knew what
the fuck was going on politically really well and in

(34:51):
depth and incisively at that age is and especially someone
who is working constantly on stuff. You're right now, she
may be maga, yes or no. I don't know. It
certainly seems to feel that way, but we don't know.
But there was an opportunity here to say something about
how people responded to the ad And to me, she

(35:13):
is dismissing it and scoffing at it and laughing about
it and trying to diminish it right and underplanned, and
you had a few people respond to it aimily would
put a vomiting emoji. This photographer that I retweeted went
off on her about not understanding it, and so I
hear that. You can say, well, she's unfairly being But
there is a responsibility you have to speak about this

(35:35):
stuff when you kind of broach the subject like this
in the way that it was interpreted, and it's an
easy way to just step forward and say I understand
people have said about was completely not my intention. I
really was an insid ad. But I will be you know,
in the future, I will be more conscious of this
kind of stuff because I respect all people. What is
really confusing about Sydney though, is that she chooses to

(35:58):
do shows and TV stuff that are really left leaning.
She doesn't do right leaning stuff.

Speaker 2 (36:06):
I mean, that was the thing that was interesting about
Christie flopping if your quote unquote the Maga princess that
the people are saying you are, or at least that
she's been claimed between the Trump tweet and whatever else,
they're not gonna show up to go watch a lesbian
Lean's kind of like the lack of like butch, you know,

(36:27):
like a butch lesbian fighter that's dealing with her domestic
violence husband. And it's kind of like talking about how
the South and Christian way in which she was raised
was like not you know what I'm saying, Like, none
of that is going to align with the people that
are caping for one way or the other. So like
that was an interesting Like again, I get why she

(36:48):
did it. It's good Oscar Baiten, Like again, I think
she also did really well with the fight training and
everything else that was also really well done. It's just
it's just interesting in that regard. But I but I
will say this there, well, I don't love that answer. Yeah,

(37:08):
I'm also of the mindset that, like as ft as
that was, I think it got kind of blown so
far out of proportion, especially considering some of the other
things that were going on at the time. Right, Like
it's one of those things where if she had even
said what you would suggested, the number of people that

(37:29):
would have slammed her.

Speaker 1 (37:30):
Oh, you're just.

Speaker 2 (37:33):
Like if her point is to keep her brand up,
that was Like, no, nobody, nobody on the left is
really rocking with her that hard.

Speaker 1 (37:42):
And that's what I'm saying. I think she's getting fucked
from button to learn, not to not to mean that
in any way physical, but like she's in the middle
of it. I apologize. I think she's getting I think
she's in the middle of both, right, Like the mag
of people are using her for their culture war, but
they're not showing up to see her projects or her movies.

(38:05):
Like she's had four flops in a row in the
movie theater, one of them directed by Ron Howard, for
God's sake. So she's at four flops in a row
in the movie theaters. You can argue is she's choosing
the right projects blah blah blah. But she does herself
no favors even to try to curry the left with
these answers in this interview. By the way, I am
so so tired of interviewers who sheepishly ask tough questions.

(38:31):
And I get it.

Speaker 2 (38:32):
You can write I was gonna say that too, but
like this, I hope it's okay if I ask you
this question and.

Speaker 1 (38:38):
I did not. I did not like that at all. Bro.

Speaker 2 (38:41):
That made me uncomfortable because if you're gonna ask a
hard question, I need you to be sure of yourself.

Speaker 1 (38:47):
It's kind of this, without getting graphic, if if you
want to do some kind of freaky with your lady,
if you're like, would it maybe be okay? It's like you,
I don't know, Like if a suck to toast, like
you know what I'm saying, if you're gonna make her
feel awkward when you say it like that versus like

(39:08):
a girl let me see them feet like you know
what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (39:10):
Those are same thing. If you're gonna get into the
mix with the political question seeing Sydney. This is gonna
be kind of a rough question because I know it's
kind of wild. But jeans ad came out, there were
people talking about eugenics and stuff like that.

Speaker 1 (39:23):
Did you know what it was about? Do you have
anything to say? Do you feel any sort of responsibility
to go for it? Yes, I'm just gonna mebi ask
you had a know way you're feeling about it, So
if you do any answer, I understands somebody do it anyway,
like bro, come on, Yeah, And this is what happens
now because you have the studios who are very hyper

(39:43):
sensitive about who they allowed have access to their talent
and their creatives. Now they rarely let them go on shows,
or they rarely go on shows that are gonna challenge him.
And James Gunn did this whole round of interviews. He
went on no channel that challenged him with some of
his hypocritical statements or confusing statements. None of them challenged

(40:04):
him on any of that stuff. And so they carefully
pick and choose same thing here. I think they vetted this.
GQ interviewer saw that she was gonna be like kind
of cowed by Sydney, and she asked a very meek
question and Sidney, rightfully so just kind of steamrolled her.
And you could have absolutely put her on the spot

(40:24):
and had her answer the question and whatever if she
walks out, she walks out, fuck her, like you've got
journalism has to come back. This is so ridiculous. What's
happening across the board that these people, because they can
sell your lines really believably on a camera, all of
a sudden, are revered in this way that you can't
ask them questions. They're fucking human beings. I'd asked George Clooney,
shit like you got to put people on the spot.

(40:46):
It's just so frustrating to see this kind of stuff.
And I get it because I understand that there is
this quick.

Speaker 2 (40:55):
Backlash that's happening to people sometimes when they asked said question.
So like you, if you're going to act like an ass,
you're gonna get called out for being an ass, Like
thinking about you know, the Julia Roberts Ada Biri, like
you saying like that that journalist was an idiot because
you decided to ask a gendered racial question to everybody

(41:19):
but the one person who would affected completely one person
that technically it wouldn't affect just being a white man,
and then the other like yes, as a woman, but
you also asked about black Lives matter, so like.

Speaker 1 (41:31):
What are you doing? That was bad journalism.

Speaker 2 (41:33):
It's just as bad to go in with an agenda
as it is to not be strong enough to actually
stand by your convictions.

Speaker 1 (41:44):
So if even if that, even if that journalist.

Speaker 2 (41:47):
Had said, like going back to the AO thing, being like,
I do actually want to hear your answer as well,
but I want to ask Julia Andrew first, just because
they're not uniquely tied to the scenario as you might be.

Speaker 1 (42:00):
Ale.

Speaker 2 (42:01):
I would love to hear your response to this, and
then do you have anything that you feel differently about
that would be the way you do that. You know
what I'm saying, but it's how she did. She very
clearly I stuffed the black woman. So in the same breath,
on the flip side of it, Now you've got a
scenario where you have this opportunity to ask this quote
unquote hard name question and the one controversy she was
involved in, right, and you don't have the stones to

(42:22):
just say it, Yeah, you made me uncomfortable asking that question.

Speaker 1 (42:27):
And this is this is I saw someone to say, well,
this is entertainment journalism. No it isn't. This is kat Stoffel,
who is the features director at GQ magazine. This isn't
fucking screen ramp Rant or Movie Web or even Collider.
These are journalists who are going in who can ask
questions that are incisive. Right. She's worked for Bustles, She's

(42:48):
worked for the Heirst Digital Media. She was a senior
editor at Conde and Asked for three years. So she
started out at BuzzFeed when she started twenty fifteen, but
she worked at New York Magazine for three years. This
is not a woman without an incredible resume of reporting
and be and training as a journalist. So to me,
that's the thing that shocked me when I was watching it.

(43:08):
It's like, come on, you you're you're someone who has
put people on the spot before. You've got to be
able to do that. So this wasn't your standard entertainment journalism.
You know, this was a legitimate journalist who who and
on and on.

Speaker 2 (43:21):
Top of that, I try not to like be floating
around in the comments and just focus on what we're
talking about. Someone saying well, why don't we stop asking
actress political questions? And it is active about acting? Well,
guess what this was about an ad that she acted in,
So what are what are we talking?

Speaker 3 (43:36):
What?

Speaker 1 (43:37):
What are we talking about?

Speaker 2 (43:38):
And when you're asking about Black Lives matter and me too,
especially considering what the movie was about. Yes, if you
understood specifically what the movie that Ale and Andrew and
Julia were in about sexual inappropriateness with a student and
if it was real, if it was fake.

Speaker 1 (43:58):
It is directly tied to what the movie is about.

Speaker 2 (44:00):
Yeah, so it's okay to like, no, you should not
randomly if I'm going in John Man, great to see you, bro,
like amazing, Like you know, you're doing this movie about
the Smurfs.

Speaker 1 (44:11):
We're so proud of you. So what do you think
about the war and casa? Like that? Why does that
have to do with the Smurfs?

Speaker 2 (44:17):
That makes a little more sense to be like that
seems like that's coming out of left field. But literally,
this is about something that she acted in. This was
not specifically about Christy. This was about her and her
career and that was a major project that she was
in that got a lot of attention. So it makes
logical sense.

Speaker 1 (44:36):
Come on now, Yeah, exactly, And yeah, I mean it's
like you can question George Clooney about him writing that
op ed about about Joe Biden. You can absolutely question
him in this situation. I don't see. I think the
thing that the bag of playbook is to do something
that is controversial and then act all sheepish about it,

(44:56):
as if other people are reacting like we're seeing super
saying with his ridiculous comments throughout our entire conversation. Here's
like manufactured controversy. Magga told me it's manufactured, therefore I
must believe it is manufactured. And it's like it's that
kind of thing, and it's like, no people legitimately saw
what was going on here the coded language. Watch Spike
Lee's bamboozled to see the history of coded language in

(45:19):
throughout ads and advertisements that gone on for years in
our country. And so this is the thing that brought
up and they, of course the idea of eugenics, the
idea of genes that goes all the way back to
slavery times, you know, And so this is these things
that this ad was touching. Now, do I think Sydney
Sweeney is some kind of incredibly intelligent and malevolent person

(45:40):
who was manipulating. No. I think though that she was
involved in something and then people maybe around her her team,
saw that this could go in a certain direction, get
attention for herself in a certain way, and kind of
poke the political bear a little bit, which people do
for attention nowadays. And it's blown up in her face
to a degree because look at the Christy box office,
look at the the last few films she's that there is.

(46:02):
She's not a star in any way, shape or form
other than on TV in Euphoria, and Zendaiya is the
bigger star arguably than she is. But I'll say this
but clearly, I want to make it clear. I think
she's a damn good actress. I think she's a damn
good actress. I want to make that clear. But the
thing is that this kind of stuff is so under Yes,
I do think. I think Sidney Sween is a damn

(46:24):
good actress. I do. And I liked her in Christie
more than you did. I liked her in Christie more
than which, of course is all subjective, so I'm not
judging your opinion. It's which is like you know, when
I've seen her in Euphoria, but imculate.

Speaker 2 (46:37):
I thought she was part of the reason why I
love her. I haven't seen Immaculates, I can't speak to that.
But part of the reason why I loved her in
Euphoria is because that character is constantly out of ten.

Speaker 1 (46:47):
So that's part of what But that's my whole point. Yeah, yeah,
she's better higher and she has three point shot her
slam dunk.

Speaker 2 (46:54):
Whatever you want to say is like the show body
like man crazy handle whatever. That's fine if you want
to whatever analogy you want to use. My problem is
just the direct interaction stuff where I'm like, well, now
I don't feel like you're in the world that you're in.
I just feel like you're just saying the lines and
that that's that's where I want into issues.

Speaker 1 (47:15):
With their acting.

Speaker 2 (47:16):
But that's again different conversation for where like my point
in that like my my best example of that outside
of Christy anyone. But you I don't think there's any
reason that that movie should have necessarily been that bad. Yeah,
it felt like Glenn Pale was literally putting her on
his back and dragging her through the movie. So like
you know what I'm saying, like that, like that's yeah,

(47:38):
that's my whole thing. I mean, Madam Webb was a
bad movie as a whole, but like I also was
like ah, Like I was like really, and you're trying
to sell me on her being like some super nerdy,
not attractive come on now. So, like all that being said, again,
if the stuff you're going to partake in, it's gonna

(47:59):
have anything that is going to be tied to some
sort of potential message, or even if you're not doing it,
you're gonna be cheeky about something to try and poke
the bear because controversy gets clicks, and clicks means money, yep,
and that means it's all open for discussion. There's plenty
of ads that come out that are like awesome that

(48:20):
don't intentionally flirt with the line. Yes, that was why
this became a thing. You decided to flirt with the line.
I think it was overblown, right, You flirted with the line.
So that means you're gonna have to deal with what
that means.

Speaker 1 (48:32):
There's nothing wrong with people looking at something, reacting to it,
and then you being asked about it, and you addressing
that concern to scoff at it, to smirk at it.
To smile at it and say I'll speak about it
when I'm ready to speak about it. There is a
sense of dismissiveness, condescension, and essentially coharrison undercutting of people's

(48:56):
legitimate points of views or feelings about a situation. It
isn't the last thing you want to do. If you're
trying to brand yourself as a person who is good
for everybody to watch, isn't the last thing you want
to do is alienate people? See the stupid fallacy MAGA
has that they say over and over against Oh why
do this? You're gonna alien half the audience. Guess what
if you cater to Maga, you're alienating half the audience.

(49:17):
So there's no fucking difference. So you want to be
able to be appealing to all sides of the spectrum,
especially as you're starting out. So I just found that
to be inauthentic of her. It isn't her opinions, it's
an inauthentic response that didn't want to address the situation
and say, Okay, I can hear. I see what people

(49:38):
are saying. I don't agree, but I see what they're saying,
and if they were offended, I apologist wasn't my intention.
There is nothing wrong with clarifying that. And yes, if
you say the bend to the woke mob, fine, but
you didn't bend to the left mob. And guess what,
Nobody went to see your fucking movie but a lesbian
who gets out of a domestic violent situation to embrace
her life as a lesbian so she can be happy
with her life. And it was a good movie. It
wasn't a great movie, but it was a good movie.

(49:59):
It deserved a better box off was that it got.
But I think the last part of it is we
got to take into consideration. It was a.

Speaker 2 (50:06):
Indie film, a small production company. They did not market
it very well. Most people didn't even know it was out.
And you're in the midst of like Predator Badlands and
you're about to hit Wicked, and you just came out
of spooky season, so like five Night if Freddy's is
about to drop, and and like there's a lot of stuff.
The only reason that I was aware that Christy was

(50:27):
even coming up as both a for what I do
for a living and B I happened to go to
a screen unseen and it was the thing that was there,
and I thought it was a smart thing to put
it on screen un scene to try and get some
buzz going about it. But on top of that, that
screen unseen was two weeks ago. This was not like

(50:47):
it just happened in order like the week of which
a lot of screen un scenes happened. They come out
on the Monday, for it to drop on Friday. It
was the Monday, two mondays before the Friday came out,
and therefore the box off off kind of probably took
like all of the marketing steps fell off. And I
don't know if it's just they didn't have the money
to go full tilt this is what you got or

(51:10):
what it was, but it was a I would I would.
I would say that this was less like Chrissy didn't
do well, less because of a political thing that went down,
and more because of just missteps as a movie being presented.

Speaker 1 (51:25):
You know what I'm saying, right, But I don't think
you can discount it. That's what I'm getting. You can't
discount it. But I don't think it's the reason like
that don't reason either. I don't, but I think it's
one of the reasons. This way, if if, if, if
your your quarterbacker now is what Marcus Mariota.

Speaker 2 (51:42):
I didn't want to throw jade into it. I didn't
want to make it feel bad if Marcus Bardriota. If
Marcus Marcus Mariota throws four interceptions and they're in the
red zone when you guys are supposed to be scoring
touchdowns and you know, no points.

Speaker 1 (51:56):
But then you have one dude over on special teams
who fumbled and.

Speaker 2 (52:00):
They got the ball back like early. Yeah, that's part
of the problem. That's another turnover. But one of your
players accounted for four of them, and four times when
you were supposed to be scoring, Like, I think that
there's there was there were bigger problems at play as
to why the movie didn't work fair.

Speaker 1 (52:16):
Yeah, but I don't think that. I don't even think
marketing is the one reason. I think the number one
reason is nobody knows who Christy Martin is anymore, and
they did a while through the movie. I thought like,
I literally didn't know myself exactly. And I think that's
the reason it bombed, is that no one knows her.
Just like the Smashing Machine, no one knows Mark Kurr.
They all fucking know the Rocket. Even that film didn't
do well because No one knows Mark Kurr and they're

(52:39):
not that interested in the story. No one knows Christy Martin. Yes, guy,
thanks for clarifying. She's not a UFC fighter as a boxer. Yes,
thanks for clarifying. Y'all can calm down now. But like
that's the situation there. She wasn't that well known, and
you couple that with the marketing, which I agree, Black
Bear does not have the reach that Neon or A
twenty four or Focused Features and these other more of

(53:00):
artistic or art house type of approach would have even
if it went into Warner Brothers or something like. There's
a reason all these studios turned that movie down because
they probably sensed it wasn't gonna it was gonna be
a hard sell and they didn't want to send their
sink their dollars into it.

Speaker 2 (53:16):
And in the end they were proven right because nobody
went to see this movie. It was I mean, and
that was the thing. It was indeed a hard sell. Yes,
just because you you you still have to take it
in consideration. Like one, people are not for the most
part going to the movies.

Speaker 1 (53:35):
There are except yeah, true, yeah, but they're really not.

Speaker 2 (53:39):
You kind of unfortunately have trained them, Yeah, to watch
it at home, So dramas watch it home. Yes, unless
it is Unless it is an event movie, people are
typically not showing up and so that what would have
been smart if you didn't have the market to really

(54:00):
pump that out like that. Yeah, maybe work out a
deal where Christy drops on streaming first and if it's
blowing up and people are loving it, then do what
K Pop Demon Hunters it did, and then go back
and put it in theaters as like a either. Like,
I know that the rules still exist for it to
even be Oscar nominated, it does have to spend some

(54:22):
time in the theaters. I would have dropped it on
streamers first and then in December release it for a
week or so, right, But I think that was the
thing they were trying. They obviously want the Oscar noms.
They were trying to get some money out of this,
and that I think is probably where you ran into
a little bit of trouble unfortunately.

Speaker 1 (54:41):
Yeah. Look, she the first trailer when it dropped got
seven point seven million views two months ago. Right, If
those seven million people or eight million people had gone
to see the movie, we might have a better You
might have had a better box office result, right, But
I think what you're saying is correct. People saw the trailer,
maybe we're interested, and we're like, fuck it, I'll wait

(55:03):
till it comes on streaming in a couple of weeks.
It was not an event type of film. It's not
I gotta go see it that weekend because everyone's gonna
be talking about it. Absolutely not. And you're right, Predator,
bad Lands, other bigger films. They came out and absolutely
squashed it, and so you see that as a as
a result, and it's not the only one. And I
want to give credit with credits to Sidney Sweeney to say,
you know, we don't in reaction to the box office

(55:24):
and the floff, like I don't make movies just for numbers.
You know, it's for impact. And if anyone who has
survived or is in a domestic violence situation sees my
movie and reacts and gets out of it, then I've
done something good. And I can't deny that. That's actually
a very sweet sentiment, and I agree with her. I
think that's great.

Speaker 2 (55:41):
But I give her so much credit not only for
that statement, but one of the things that I actually
endeared me to Sydney going into the movie. Yeah, was
during the screen unseen she was like, Hey, I'm Sidney Sweeney.
You're good about to watch you know, Christy, Yeah, this
is the type of movie, the movie that makes me
not only appreciated love what I do for a living,

(56:02):
but it encourages me to work harder and do all
those things. Like it was very endearing to hear what
she had to say, whether it was prescripted or it came.

Speaker 1 (56:09):
From the heart.

Speaker 2 (56:10):
It was a smart move because I found myself watching
it at that point being like, all right, girl, come on,
this is it.

Speaker 1 (56:18):
This is the moment that you become the champ.

Speaker 2 (56:19):
Like your acting skills going hit like out of ten,
let's go. And again at moments like the powerful moments
like the major domestic violence scene in the third act.
She is incredible, absolutely incredible in the lead up to
in the actual during in the after, she was crushing it.

(56:42):
It would be stuff at like the dinner table at
the beginning that I was like, okay, like you know
what I'm saying. That would be the stuff where I'd
be like when she's needing to prove to Rodney King,
not Rodney King, Jesus, oh my god, Don King just
trying to don king that she's got the stuff.

Speaker 1 (57:02):
I thought she was.

Speaker 2 (57:03):
No, No, I got this and like like again heightened emotions, yes,
stellar acting. Yeah, it was when she needed to lower it.
And so like I just say all that to say
that I think that this movie there was a bunch
of random miscues. But if their ultimate goal wasn't necessarily
to blow the box office up, if it was just

(57:24):
to get these actors and maybe this script or whatever
on the map for for nominations, yeah they did a
good job for that. But that's that's That's about all
you're probably gonna see out of this out at the
end of the day.

Speaker 1 (57:35):
Yeah, yeah, I think so too. I think Ben it'll
be lucky to get nominated. He deserves to get nominated.
I don't think Sydney's getting nominated at all, unfortunately, But
like I think this is what it's gonna end up.
As we'll see. We'll see. All right, Well, let's we're
almost out of time, so we gotta make our left
turn into sports. Let's talk about it. Do you want
to talk about Nico Harrison is out as the m

(57:56):
as the GM of the Dallas Mavericks. This is happening.
He has gone. The situation was untenable. Fire Nico Chance
breaking on the stands, as you said, and of course
the Lukadancis trade, and as you mentioned earlier, the Anthony
Davis debacle as he's been oft injured like he was
playing for the Lakers, has come to bite them in

(58:18):
the ass, and now he is out. This is It's
not necessarily a surprising tournaments, but I thought the speed
with which it happened is really surprising because I thought
they were gonna give him a full season to see
how his moves worked out. Because this is the guy
who made moves, some bold moves that helped them reach
the finals a couple of years ago. So it is

(58:38):
surprising that he's not being given like at least one
season to see if this experiment. Kyrie is not playing,
so like there's I thought there was time, but clearly
the situation became untenable. Your thoughts here, man, I.

Speaker 2 (58:50):
Mean, but see that this is where they had a problem. Okay,
It's one thing to trade the biggest star potentially in
the league, if not the biggest top three, top five,
like when you look at Jersey Sales, when you look

(59:11):
at his international appeal, all that kind of stuff.

Speaker 1 (59:14):
It's one thing to do that, another thing to do
it in the middle of.

Speaker 2 (59:17):
The night, and to try and sneak it out of
there because like and the argument was what we had
to because people would have been upset. I wonder why
they would have been upset. Yeah, you know what I'm saying.
So there's all of that. Then on top of that,
this isn't the first quote unquote mistake that he made.
He had this whatever sort of vendetta that was anybody

(59:39):
that was essentially quote unquote enabling or friendly to he
got rid of.

Speaker 1 (59:45):
Like, it's not lost on me.

Speaker 2 (59:46):
The Casey Smith story that came out of the trainer
who was like out of town work for his dying mother,
and Nico sent a text talking about, Hey, I need
you to come in the office.

Speaker 1 (59:58):
We need to talk.

Speaker 2 (59:59):
And he's like, I can't do that right now. I'm
at my mom's dying Okay, Well then I'm gonna set
up a video conference call.

Speaker 1 (01:00:05):
This will be quick, right, dude. That, Like, those are the.

Speaker 2 (01:00:09):
Type of things when you hear those stories, people are like, oh,
there's no humanity here. You went kind of you went
kind of like in and then you have the audacity
to laugh in our faces as fans, to be like,
you'll get over it. Winning fixes things, like you guys,
just the fortune favors the bold. I didn't know they

(01:00:31):
cared about Lucas so much. Those are the types of
things where I'm like, so you don't understand what half
of your job is. One half of your job is
to put a team together that can go and win stuff,
And the other half of your job is to put
a team together that people want to buy jerseys and
they want to buy season tickets and they want to
go and root for their favorite player. There were certain
things that you did that made a lot of sense,

(01:00:51):
like going to get Kyrie. People were a little confused
because Kyrie had some like troubling stuff before.

Speaker 1 (01:00:55):
And all that kind of stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:00:56):
It was a baller, but ultimately pairing them together ended
up being fantastic, and people were talking about, is this
is the greatest backcourt we've ever seen? Like those are
the conversations that were being had at the time. So
it's this weird mentality and there's stuff that I know
because of my own connection and stuff. But again, there
were no arguments that were being made that made it enough,

(01:01:18):
especially when you decided if you really feel defense wins championships.
You had a couple games before before Anthony Davis got
hurt and has been out. They were the worst defense
in the league before the injury, and then they got worse. Yes,
so your grand master plan of we got defense, now
you don't. You can't score to save your life.

Speaker 1 (01:01:38):
I understand that everybody was hurt, but like, we had.

Speaker 2 (01:01:43):
Almost a full season of this plan of yours because
it started back in February. Anthony Davis instantly got hurt
and didn't play for like what five weeks or whatever
the hell it was, and then kind of played a
little bit at the end. And then the one thing
you kept talking about with Luca.

Speaker 1 (01:01:58):
All day was he's fat. He's fat. That and the
star you traded for came back overweight and like his
whole thing. I get it.

Speaker 2 (01:02:05):
He was like, Hey, guys, come down, I get it.
That kind of happens the off season. I play into shape.
You know why that doesn't sound good because that was
the same thing that was said about Luca. He plays
his way into shape over the course of the season.
Because a lot of the conversation was, man, if you
can only come into the season that in shape that
he was knew that this would be a different confience.
Like all the things that you made excuses as to
why this was such a good plan, none of that

(01:02:27):
was panning out. And you were the last in the
league when you had just gone to the finals a
season and a half ago.

Speaker 1 (01:02:33):
So like, nah, bro, like I.

Speaker 2 (01:02:38):
Do I feel maybe a little bad from a completely
take me out of my fan based mindset that he
didn't get to see his plan fully into fruition. A
little sure, yeah, baby, bit that the human logical side
of me, but everything else as a fan, as somebody
that doesn't like being talked down to, which is what
it felt like Nico was doing the people for questioning

(01:03:00):
his logic. Here, you're no better than Kevin Stefanski. If
you really got beef with Luca like that, just say it.
Look lucas an asshole. He was doing this, that and
the other, and then slam him and then and then
do it if you really, if it's really like that,
then layout receipts. If Kevin Stefansi's got something on Shador,
he doesn't work hard enough, he's not doing this, he's

(01:03:21):
not doing that, he's not ready, then put it out there,
but instead you keep tap dancing around it, so you
look like the ass and therefore no sympothy can be
had for you because you're not making a case to
defend yourself.

Speaker 1 (01:03:32):
Yeah. Yeah, I think the quizzical thing for me is
that the owner seemed to be escaping any blame, and
I think that needs to stop too, because it wasn't
like Nico could do whatever he wanted. The owners are like,
we're so blind, we have no idea, We'll just take
your word for it. No, these are guys who are
spending the money they signed off on the trade. So

(01:03:53):
I think Nico is in time. Is yes, arrogant, condescending
all of that, concede all of that, But I also
think he's a little bit being made the fall guy
for what the management wanted to do, which was to
save money. So they're using this guy as the fall
guy because they didn't want to pay Luca the max extension.

(01:04:13):
They save that money. But now they fucked their own team.
So let's fire Nico because Nico is the one who's
the face of this whole thing, because we made him
the face of this whole thing. But eventually that the
anger has got to turn on the owners as well,
who approved this kind of thing, because once Nico's out
of the way, guess what, you don't have a buffer
to stop people being upset all for the rest of
the season for your decisions and doing this. So now

(01:04:37):
it's going to be about turning their anger towards the owners,
and I think that's going to eventually happen as the
season goes on. I think it was a mistake to
fire Nico. Now keep him on for the whole season,
Let him be your let him be your shield against
people's anger until the end of the season, and then
boom money. Yeah, they would have.

Speaker 2 (01:04:56):
You would have never had time to do that because
of money, because because the problem was not only were
you having these chants completely throughout these games, at these
home games, you were the laughing stuck the internet was
constantly every single loss. And if the point is to try,
I would also not be surprised if there was something

(01:05:18):
along the lines that Nico maybe even took himself out of,
Like if he still believes in his stuff that much,
it needs to come off as a firing because then
it looks like whatever. And then on top of that,
I believe these guys can do it. You have to
take out the distraction. You were the distraction. So I
say all that to say that, like again, it wasn't

(01:05:40):
just the move going down, it was how he then
decided to write and how he defended it. And I
and my brother, who really doesn't follow basketball like that,
Like and I mentioned earlier, was like, oh man in
that Dad's friend blah blah, bah blah blah.

Speaker 1 (01:05:57):
I told him. I was like, this is one of
two things.

Speaker 2 (01:06:02):
Either a he made a bad decision that he thought
was a good one and therefore deserved to lose.

Speaker 1 (01:06:08):
His job for it.

Speaker 2 (01:06:09):
Or if it really was the owners came you said,
we're not paying Luca, figure out how to get rid
of him or to solve this problem. You allowed yourself
to be a pawn for this, in which case you
were a weak willed individual. And neither of those things
look good. You're either you either had some dicey moves
previously is a GM that worked out, and then you

(01:06:30):
made a real you You decided to go all in
on a pair of twos when they were showing three
threes out of the thing. You're like, I got a
full house, bro, not even thinking about what if he
has a higher pair of anything and has a higher
full house.

Speaker 1 (01:06:44):
What if it like like you didn't even you even.

Speaker 2 (01:06:46):
Remotely try to pretend to do that, including the idea
that supposedly like it came out that supposedly they were
gonna get too first out of the whole thing. But
Polinka was able to be like, look, bro, we gotta
keep it secret, we gotta move fast.

Speaker 1 (01:06:58):
I'll give you one like which, then again, what what
is your negotiations go in?

Speaker 2 (01:07:04):
What world do you trade a twenty five year old
just starting to get into their prime for somebody who
is at the tail end of their prime. Then they
maybe have a couple more years, but it's already injury prone,
and you get one first for him for someone who
was first team All NBA like six out of his
seven seasons.

Speaker 1 (01:07:20):
And Rookie of the Year. Are you out of your mind? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:07:23):
It just across the board. Even if you put all
these pieces together that add up and make some grand
defensive stand of a team, every way this was handled
was wrong.

Speaker 1 (01:07:33):
Yeah. Yeah, I don't disagree with you all across the board.
All across the board, I don't disagree with you here.

Speaker 2 (01:07:38):
It is everybody I think that I did know Luca
was important to the fan base, I didn't quite know
to what level.

Speaker 1 (01:07:44):
Yeah, that's which is the world. That's utter nonsense. Like
people who aren't even gms of the Dallas Mavericks understood
regular fans understood how important Luca was that. How can
you not understand that being in the building, seeing every game,
being in the building for the games, how can you
not understand how important Luca was to the fan base.
It's nonsense. It's it's it's a nonsense narrativity's floating out there.

(01:08:07):
That is utter bullshit. He lined through his team. He
lies averaging thirty seven of the game. He's averaging almost
ten points more now per game than he did at
the height of his abilities with the Mavericks.

Speaker 2 (01:08:21):
Thirty thirty seven point one points a game, forty nine
point one percent from the field, thirty three percent from three,
nine point four rebounds, nine point one assists, one point
one steals, and point four blocks. So even his defense
has gone up after all of the crap you wanted
to give him about that, Like, I just.

Speaker 1 (01:08:40):
Yeah, he's the situation, that's the thing. They blew it
all across the board with that, We'll see what happens
going forward with them. Oh, let's get to the NFL.
So I know, we got some questions to get to here.
Winston Real Quick. Week ten in the NFL, the Broncos
sqreaked by the Raiders and one of the ugliest games
you ever gonna see. The Colts came back and open
time overseas to beat the Falcons in Berlin. The Bears

(01:09:04):
came back on the Giants, which cost the job of
Brian Dabole. In the end, the Dolphins shocked the Bills
and made everyone wonder about Josh Allen. The Bills as
pretenders to the throne. The Ravens continue their winning ways,
now just a one game back on the Steelers for
the lead in the APC North. The Jets got their
second winning a row, beating the Cleveland Browns, So Jetsy.

(01:09:25):
The Patriots beat the Buccaneers in probably the premier game
of the weekend. The Saints won against the Panthers, who
now look like pretenders again. The Texans came back and
beat the Jaguars. Trevor Lawrence, where are you? The Seahawks
crushed the Cardinals. The Rams crushed the forty nine Ers.
The Lions crushed my commanders. The Chargers beat out these Steelers,
and Aaron Rodgers looked every bit of his forty one

(01:09:47):
years old. And the Eagles squeaked by the Packers after
a terrible sixty four yard field Goalkay was skewed left
in overtime, right in regular play rather to get the victory.
Say in Green Bay, So your thoughts anything big sto
up to you from this weekend?

Speaker 2 (01:10:00):
What do you think which I'm gonna do like a
quick thought on each one, just to kick through it all.
Broncos have no offense. Their pretenders. I think they're gonna
go down. The Coults are literally Jonathan Taylor, he deserves
to be m VP. You have two hundred and forty
four yards and three in touchdowns. And I think Daniel Jones,
the Daniel Jones experiment will ultimately fail. Yeah, Dable should

(01:10:21):
have gone.

Speaker 1 (01:10:22):
It is what it is. He was putting Jackson Dart
in multiple concussion protocols. That's nonsense. Yeah, that's absolutely crazy.

Speaker 2 (01:10:31):
Not entirely surprised by the Bills. Josh Allen really doesn't
have like he has James Cook. But you don't have
any receiving help whatsoever. Yeah, and it is a division rival.
You always have to be careful about division rivals, even
if they're the worst team in the division. Ravens are
on a tear. I think they will ultimately bounce back
and win their division. Are we surprised the brown suck?

(01:10:56):
Just in case Pat's listening, the Patriots actually look like
the deadliest team in the a f C. That's bad
news for the Saints because I'm sure they at this
point wanted to bottom out so.

Speaker 1 (01:11:08):
They go get another quarterback.

Speaker 2 (01:11:11):
The division game again Texans and Jaguars, so it really
could have gone either way.

Speaker 1 (01:11:18):
Seahawks, to me.

Speaker 2 (01:11:20):
Personally, I think they look like the deadliest team in
the NFC, but it'll be interesting to see. You got
division game Seahawks at Rams going on Sunday. I'll come
back on Tuesday. I don't think the Niners have enough
sauce to go the distance, but they're still a force
until someone knocks me out.

Speaker 1 (01:11:38):
Of the playoffs.

Speaker 2 (01:11:39):
You guys are gonna bad until you get your quarterback
back and get rid of all those old people next season.

Speaker 1 (01:11:44):
He shouldn't even come back to play this. He shouldn't.
He shouldn't.

Speaker 2 (01:11:47):
He should take the rest of the season off, are
saying something because I need him in fantasy Chargers are
gonna be the Chargers that this just reminds me of
the Philip Rivers era over and over again. You're gonna
be good enough to get in the playoff and people go,
oh shit, but yeah, somebody better are going to come along,
And I go back to I know two flags, two
flag Camra is in here, maybe El Boogie is.

Speaker 1 (01:12:10):
I do not fear the Eagles. I don't. Why are you?

Speaker 2 (01:12:17):
Like I get the Packers defense is a force, But
how do you have Davante A. J se Kwan? Oh
my god, who's the tight end Dallas Goddard? How do
you have all those weapons and you can only squeak
out ten points? Even like, because it's not like the
Packers defense is the defense in the league. They they

(01:12:41):
do have a very good defense, but that's not the defense.

Speaker 1 (01:12:45):
So like, how did that happen? You know what I'm saying?

Speaker 2 (01:12:50):
There's like that was part of the concern I put
out about the Eagles in the first place. Is this
random idea that like, you're for being the defending champs
and favorite. I need to see you to be able
to move the ball and some weeks you can, but
then some weeks it's like what's happening?

Speaker 1 (01:13:09):
Yeah, So we will.

Speaker 2 (01:13:12):
Ultimately see if they're able to hold it down and repeat,
but I think there are much deadlier opponents out there.

Speaker 1 (01:13:19):
Yeah. Yeah, next week's gonna be fun. Though. I think
next week's gonna be a lot of fun when you
look at the matchups here because I think Lion's Eagles
is gonna be a lot of fun. Chiefs Broncos is
gonna be a lot of fun. Don't count out the
Browns against the Ravens. They always seem to shock them
in random ways. When you see the Seahawks, Rams is
gonna all the after one o'clock games on the West
Coast are gonna be a lot of fun to watch.

(01:13:41):
The Chargers Jaguars. Who's the real pretender between the two
of those. That's gonna be interesting. Will the Bears handle
the Vikings? Will the Vikings bite back Bill's and Buccaneers
bro in Buffalo? That is going to be the game
of the morning in my opinion to see that, And
I think the Page is gonna kill the Jets here
on Thursday, so it's I'm not looking forward to that game.
But Yeah, the Patriots are scary. They're becoming scary. Now.

(01:14:04):
I know vrabel is not doesn't have a great track
run in the playoffs, but like, these Patriots look like
they're ready. Wouldn't that be amazing if that's the team
that knocks out the Chiefs yet again from trying to
go to the Super Bowl. It would be the Patriots
in that in that final game. We'll see, we'll see.

Speaker 2 (01:14:18):
I mean, dude, they're they're they're genuinely scary, yes, and
they're getting that they're scary. And their schedule is like,
if I remember, it's pretty cupcake.

Speaker 1 (01:14:30):
Bro.

Speaker 2 (01:14:30):
You got the Jets, the Bengals, the Giants, the Bills,
who now all of a sudden, it's like, are are
the Bills in trouble?

Speaker 1 (01:14:39):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:14:40):
The Ravens, who are on their climb up but technically
are still like a below five hundred team, So we
got to see if they get to full form by
the time you play them.

Speaker 1 (01:14:48):
Then the Jets again and the.

Speaker 2 (01:14:49):
Dolphins again, Like let's just assume let's play Devil's Advocate
you lose to the Bills. In the Ravens, the two
teams that are like the preminent team one two, three, four.
That's five more wins that you could lose to anybody,
Division rivals, all that shit, But technically that should be
five layup wins on already?

Speaker 1 (01:15:09):
What's their record? Eight and two, thirteen and four by
the end of the season, like they most likely are
gonna get the number one seed and get a bye yep. Oh, Like,
why are we already back in the Patriots era? This
is stupid. Just when it looks like Kansas City is
starting a creater, here come the Patriots again. Yeah, exactly,
it's crazy and he's only a second year quarterback. That

(01:15:32):
should piss everybody off. He's only a second.

Speaker 2 (01:15:35):
Year quarterbaight, But I will give credit where credit is
due Alberdie bringing it up. As far as like their schedule,
we do kind of have to look at who they
played and who they've beat so far. Now, mind you,
the Panthers are better than they're putting on, but that
was a she lacking the Bills now look kind of
sus So it is what it is. You be the
same to beat the Titans, you beat the Browns, you

(01:15:56):
beat the Falcons, you beat the Bucks, which the Bucks
at one point looked good, but they riddled with injuries.
So they're not the same team that they were, and
Baker's not playing out of his mind anymore. Your two
losses to the Steelers and the Raiders, one team that's
not good in one team that's sus so like it's
not there. There is something to be said about the
strength of their wins there, right. But so you know,

(01:16:20):
Drake May, I think the main thing to look at
it even if you played these kind of middling teams,
Drake May looks like he's been doing this for years. Yep,
Like not just hey, I played in college in high
school and all that. I mean, he looks like he's
been an NFL VET that's been to Pro Bowls years.
That's what's scary is that you were still as bad

(01:16:42):
as the Browns are. They are the best defense in
the league.

Speaker 1 (01:16:45):
I believe. Yeah, and you and you trounce them, ye
Like you know what I'm saying, Like that's kind of crazy. Yeah,
Asco says, the Jets are gonna f that boy up. Yeah,
I'll now Jets are gonna be lucky to score ten points.
I'll tell you as forty five to ten is my prediction.

(01:17:06):
I think the Page is going to crush the jets
just crush. But we'll see. We'll see, all right, so
we get these questions. Win I we have limited time,
so let's go dance. The dog sixty says as Jack
Rby kicked off the quote fourth World Series in the
pages Jimmy Olsen, which led to the New Gods. I'm
into this Gods and Monsters with gun Okay, okay, okay.
Respect Also a great show as always, gentlemen. Thank you,

(01:17:28):
Dancy Dog. Appreciate that. Trump Bacon live forever. Just saying
we're not advocating anyone's death on this show. For God's sakes,
I want to make that clear. Very sensitive time. So okay,
that's fair, and no one lives forever. So yes, you're correct,
but we will see Simon's extually, says mister Roka. Thank
you for your service. Thank you, Simon. Have you seen

(01:17:49):
a Dirty dozen film where a black soldier who was
a sniper was racially harassed by an Italian who at
the end said that he was okay, I hated that film.
I have not seen that film. I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:18:00):
That sounds like a story of so many people that
I know that are not considered the quote unquote status
quote where the norm or whatever it is. Every black
person probably got a story like that if they didn't
face it, somebody they know did.

Speaker 1 (01:18:16):
Every woman has had.

Speaker 2 (01:18:17):
Been like a girl and then like at the end
being like you all right there shook it like something
like you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (01:18:25):
But but that sounds like a rough film. I'm I'm
good on that. I don't know what that movie is.
But Simon, if you're still here, let us know in
the regular chat, I'll highlight it if I've seen it
or not. Cowboy's fan, what's up? Cowboys said? To your point, John,
I agree one hundred percent. It's gotten to the level
of piss taking when it when it comes to journalism
being too clean while asking tough questions, both with politicians

(01:18:46):
and celebrities. Oh yeah, I agree, although I do want
to give credit to Laura Ingram actually pressing Trump on
Fox News, which I didn't think I'd ever seen in
my lifetime. I thought that was impressive.

Speaker 2 (01:18:55):
I was actually was impressive that and twice now I've
been shocked because if anything, I was like, so you
actually know how to be a journalist, because neither one was.
Tucker Carlson, pushing back on Ted Cruz right after the
whole bombing, and like Iraq earlier on and and everything else.
I was like, so you remember how to do this?

(01:19:17):
Why don't you do this more often? That's the frustrating part.

Speaker 1 (01:19:19):
Like when you're watching MTG now and all these interviews,
you're like, so this this has been there all along.
You have been a sane, rational, middle of the road
person all along. You just played the MAGA thing for
attention and popularity and establish yourself. But now you're going
toe to total with Trump and you're actually saying logical
stuff in your interviews. I don't trust you, but you're

(01:19:42):
saying logical stuff in your interviews. You could have been
All of this stuff could have been avoided if more
of these politicians said we're not going to fucking cater
to the Trump and his bullshit. We're going to stand
up to him and push back on that. That would
have been the way to go. But now we're seeing
it and it feels like too little too late, Brom,
too little too late. Yeah, it's Doc six, he says
a Sidney Sweety better be careful, she'll end up with

(01:20:03):
Kevin Sorbo's career. All she had to say was the
ad was just a joke. Anyway, she needs better pr red.
I don't disagree with that, Winston. I think she needs
better people around her all round, picking her projects and
handling her pr you know.

Speaker 2 (01:20:16):
Yeah, And I think that that was that felt like
a PR answer of when there's something I want to
speak on, i'll speak on it.

Speaker 1 (01:20:23):
That that felt very pr rehearsed.

Speaker 2 (01:20:25):
Yes, and I think she was trying to listen very
intently as to where that question was going again, delivered
kind of awkwardly, which then would ultimately.

Speaker 1 (01:20:34):
To you know what she's doing. So yeah, Victor Gardy says, Hey,
Washington Wizards fan here, it's hard to take Winston's NBA points. Seriously,
you don't know pain, sir. I just don't know Roku.
I think you might have an idea. Yeah, well, Victor,
real quick, just be for real quick. I don't know
Wizard's history.

Speaker 2 (01:20:55):
Did you ever trade a top three generational player that
you would be lucky to ever have on your tea
away from the team.

Speaker 1 (01:21:02):
No? No, So then we're not the same, right. I
think he's saying that you've at least gotten into the
finals and had some success with Dirk. We haven't had
that since nineteen seventy eight, when Wes Unseld led us
to the title over the SuperSonics. So we haven't sniffed
a fucking a finals even, you know. And I think
we went to the East crowd finals once with Arenas

(01:21:25):
and then the Celtics wiped us out. So yeah, which
is which is? You know?

Speaker 2 (01:21:29):
I can I can say that, Like I remember, there
was a big moment where I was in like doing
network meetings to like lead a show. I've told this
story a few times. No, I don't actually know what
was worse having to negotiate a contract to see how
my life was about to change, have to meet with
these execs and shake all these hands and think, holy shit,

(01:21:49):
this is it for that to not work out or
to just never be in that position in the first place,
because one of them is like damn, but the other
one is like you you you were there, you were
literally stepping your foot in the door, and all of
a sudden the whole thing is just gone.

Speaker 1 (01:22:09):
Yeah. So yeah, Paul Hedgecock says, Roca Sweeney is getting
it from both sides right now. And I don't mean
anything sexual, but she's in a real Eiffel Tower situation,
Jesus having to live that Devil's Triangle life figgers nice,
I get it.

Speaker 2 (01:22:26):
It's that's supposed to be you, since you, since you,
like when you originally said she's getting for both sides,
that's supposed to be you trying.

Speaker 1 (01:22:32):
To say the whole thing out there. That's good. That's good.
Well done, Paul, Well done. Dok developer says, thank you
for your service. Roka, thank you, Doug. I want to
recommend the Netflix show Boots. Yes, it's about an eight
year old kid and basic training. Thought about you instantly
when the title card nineteen ninety flashed on the screen.
That's why when I started serving in nineteen when you
started serving, Oh yeah, nineteen ninety to ninety eight, that's

(01:22:53):
when I served. But yeah, I've heard about Boots. The
kid is I think the kid is gay, and so
it's about what it's like to be training in the
military at that time and be gay. So yeah, I'm
curious to watch the show. I have so many things
i'm watching right now, I can't put that on the
I mean, plorabus right now is consuming me. So but
I have to definitely watch Boots at some point for sure.

(01:23:15):
Victor Garrity said, I know you guys won't talk a
lot of college ball, but how wild was it that
Wake Forest be Virginia? Thus last weekend Yes shout out
to Mark Ellis, graduate of Wake Forest. The Demon Deacons
totally derailed Virginia season with that victory. Fascinating as Virginia
was set to be in the ACC Championship game. They
might still make it, but they were set to be
there and then possibly get into the College Football Playoff,

(01:23:37):
but now not so much. Doug Delger also says prediction
Eagles or Rams will represent the NFC. Only NFC quarterbacks
I fully trust are Jalen Hurts and Stafford. Maybe Baker,
but his team is too hurt I don't. But see,
that's the thing I will give Jalen credit. I've always
said this for he somehow figures out a way to win.

(01:23:59):
It does He's a winner. But it genuinely makes me
nervous to just see these subpart of performances that backpedal
into victory.

Speaker 2 (01:24:07):
Like that's what I'm saying, What do you do when
you then have a Stafford who can actually just ball out?
You know what I'm saying that Like, is that kind
of stuff that makes me go what. But at a
certain point I almost think it's not like I still
give Jalen credit, but I as much shit as we
give Sirianni.

Speaker 1 (01:24:25):
Sirianni must just have some in the water. Bro.

Speaker 2 (01:24:27):
I don't know, like as a coach, he keeps figuring
out ways to make this happen.

Speaker 1 (01:24:31):
Jalen is an unusual guy because he's got an unusual personality.
He never gets too why, he never gets too low,
so you don't know quite how to It's something it's
very reminiscent of don V McNabb. You never sensed that
McNabb was ever in trouble or was ever succeeding. It's
just so such the same thing. So it's interesting.

Speaker 2 (01:24:49):
And also el boogie in here'd be like Stafford wing
four against in the last four games. I was like, okay,
well do we want to look back at those last
two games that literally went on a hail Mary of
a field goal block like touchdown return or the fact
that the almost got your ass whopped in the snow,
which LA has no business and all that, and I
don't even remember what the play was, but it was

(01:25:10):
something like minor that like, yeah, changed the course of everything.
They're acting like the Rams didn't take it to the
Eagles both times and you lucked out of that.

Speaker 1 (01:25:20):
Yeah, it was a throw to the tight end in
the snow. I think that he dropped. Yeah, yeah, but
I think I think you're discounting the Packers, Doug. I
think the Packers ever real shot to represent the NFC
as well, Doug DAEs and prediction Patriots won't make the
Super Bowl May is a playoff version. They rarely make
the Super Bowl, Burrow and Cat being exception since two
thousand and one. Sure, but you know, he's a second
year player. And guess what second year player took the

(01:25:42):
Patriots to the Super Bowl? Uh, and that was Tom Brady.

Speaker 2 (01:25:45):
So it's very gonna be It's gonna be interesting because
there's a lot of legacy stuff on the line here.
So they look like the most dangerous team in the AFC.

Speaker 1 (01:25:58):
But if the.

Speaker 2 (01:25:58):
Bills figure it out, if the Ravens figure it out,
if the Chiefs stay the course here, yeah, they called
you know, they jokingly called the AFC Championship the Arrowhead
Invitational for a reason.

Speaker 1 (01:26:12):
And you throw in the fact that, like.

Speaker 2 (01:26:15):
There are so many question marks about Josh and Lamar
for being this good and not being able to get
it done. So it's not to say that the Patriots
can't go on a tear here, but like once you
get in the playoff territory and the edges one, they
might be starting to play lights out because they were like,
I am not gonna let my legacy be tarnished by

(01:26:36):
some nonsense, you know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (01:26:37):
It's true. We'll see doctor mel Rowlse says stafford Is
at twenty five touchdowns, two interceptions with twenty four hundred
passing yards. Won't be surprised if he's worn MVP as
part of the Swan song, like when Newman won the Oscar.
It has to be Jonathan Taylor.

Speaker 2 (01:26:49):
I'm sorry, I don't even think it's close with any
like I was saying this last year about Saquon, But
here's the difference. There would be a few games where
Jalen would go and make aj Brown look like the
superstar that he is and make the Varta the superstar
that he is. Daniel Jones is literally proven that if
you take Jonathan Taylor out of the game, he can't
get it done.

Speaker 1 (01:27:08):
He is the most valuable player by a mile. I
don't disagree with you. That team doesn't win with that.
Daniel Jones right with Conton Taylor. Sorry sorry, yeah, uh,
I too like Bill's Packers, Jags Bears, Steelers equals fake Demons.
Certainly Steelers, certainly Bears, Jags. Yes, Packers, I don't think so.
I think the Packers are for real. They just had

(01:27:30):
I mean, they took the defending champions all the way
to the last field goal.

Speaker 2 (01:27:35):
So, but I've got so many questions about Jordan Love many.
I have more questions about Jordan Love than I do
Jalen Hurts well, sure, Jalen and shown he can win
the Super Bowl.

Speaker 1 (01:27:48):
I think with Jordan there we got to see. I
don't know, of course, is Jordan's the team that I
have issues with, you know? And so we'll see on
the offensive side of things, because I don't think those
receivers are that strong and I don't think that run
back is that strong, and so that's my concern with
the with the Packers. But I think Jordan's a good quarterback.
Chris a says thoughts on the Dems caving for a

(01:28:09):
handshake deal. Oh yeah, I already tweeted about it. It's
it's craven as fucking I hate it and fed them
and go fuck himself, Like these eight Democrats that have
signed this thing for the promise that they're gonna look
at it like, it's just so ridiculous.

Speaker 2 (01:28:26):
In what world do you look at that and go,
you know what, they're good people. Yeah, we could just
go out of a handshake that they'll come back to
this totally. There are people of their word, because the
other side of this, too is this weird deal of like, yes, yes,
people are genuinely suffering, but you just made them suffer

(01:28:47):
like that so that they can suffer worse than the
worst one.

Speaker 1 (01:28:50):
It's just, yeah, so dumb temporary solution, and especially when
you've got them on the ropes after the elections last week,
Why the hell would you when you've got him on
the ropes. It's crazy. I'm two black as his favorite
YB song for you Alien e Renewed, Alien Earth Renewed.
I have two flag Ammy, the only person on that island.

(01:29:12):
Everyone's excited for Alien Earth coming back for a second
seekers what's YB? I don't know what that means. Favorites
YB song Woie young Blood, I don't know i'd be
a young boy, is it? I don't know. Clarify that
I am. We might not be or I might not
be as cool as you, So clarify that. Daniel song,
what's with your redskins? I'm being being asked this year

(01:29:34):
JD five needs some creatine stat Well, the whole team
is just I mean, we lost a bunch of players
for season ending injuries and McLaurin hasn't been able to play.
So what do you want us to do? Nothing that
we have no players to try to win games. So
it's a shame. And I also think Dan Quinn there's
questions to be asked here at the end of the season. Karen,

(01:29:57):
what's up? Karen says, what are your thoughts that the
president wants the new command stadium to be named after him?
I say, no freaking way. You saw you saw.

Speaker 2 (01:30:04):
Somebody put out a TikTok right about this, and they go, oh,
what was the TikTok?

Speaker 1 (01:30:09):
Was it? It?

Speaker 2 (01:30:09):
Specifically said, Well, I don't know if he actually wants that,
because there's only been two presidents or like two politicians
that have ever had stadiums named.

Speaker 1 (01:30:18):
After them, and that is JFK and RFK. And what
had to happen ye stadium? Is that? Is that what
you actually want? Like know, like I don't know, I
don't Yeah, I hate it. I think it's horrific because
you should have nothing to do with politics, and this

(01:30:40):
naming him now would be about politics. That'd be a
young boy. Get out of here. RFK and JFK were assassinated, right,
Trump was not assassinated, And I think it would be
stupid to name the stadium after him and more Ego
and Hubris uh and and you know it's terrible. But
by the time the stadium is built, he'd be out
of office hopefully uh And so would you have to

(01:31:03):
adhere to that naming? I don't know. It depends all right,
Let's see the stream of super chats here stream labs.
Fran says, Hey, tequila spillers, showing my support. Quick question,
has the NFL entered a new way to develop washed
out Acaba with the success of Sam Donald and the
emergence of Daniel Jones and the other Jones kid also
on Predator bad Lands was awesome? What's Aqab? What's Aquaba?

(01:31:25):
I don't know what that means? Aqab Aqaba? I don't
know what that means, So say that read the beginning again.
Has the NFL entered a new way to develop washed
out Oh maybe he's just saying washed out quarterbacks. With
the success of Sam Donald and the emergence of Daniel
Jones and the other Jones kid, Yeah, Mac Jones. So
has the NFL ended a new way? No? I just

(01:31:46):
think these players have gone to teams that can coach
them up better than the teams they were at. Dave
Ball is not that good of a coach, and that's
why I was fired. He was running Jackson Dard in
the ground, basically doing the top Thibodeau of the NFL,
and Dane Jones was suffering from that situation. Now he's
in a better situation with a better coordinator, better coach,
and he's doing better. Same thing with Mac Jones over

(01:32:07):
there in San Francisco. And I think Sam Donald does.
Sam Donald balled out Minnesota, so he's bawling out now
in Seattle. And because the Jets are a fucking dumpster fire,
you don't want to learn how to be a quarterback
out of that organization. That's what I think.

Speaker 2 (01:32:19):
When Yeah, I think it's more just you're seeing there's
a reason these guys were drafted, why they were drafted
so high. It's just there are a lot of teams
actually have a good way of ruining confidence and building
in bad habits. Like Sam had to get as far
away from you know, the Jets as possible, had to
go kind of through the Carolina and all that kind

(01:32:41):
of stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:32:41):
Yeah. Yeah, you essentially need somebody that is bulletproof two.

Speaker 2 (01:32:48):
Bad environments, and that's when you end up with the
Cam Newton went still goes down to Carolina. But because
Cam is such a beast, he can kind of power
through how bad of a like organization they were, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:32:58):
What I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (01:33:00):
Yet to see a quarterback of that caliber end up
in Cleveland. So anybody with even some like Monokram of
talent is ending of being trash or leaving and then
going to be good. Yeah, agreed, Fred said.

Speaker 1 (01:33:12):
Fred Tasko says, Heavy Veterans Day, Roka, thank you for
your service. Thank you, Fred. Appreciate your brother. Appreciate you
every week, brother man, even when we don't agree. Samuel
says his thoughts on UFC President Dana White, saying that
he's not political and that protesting is the dumbest waste
of time yet the UFC is hosting an event in
the White House. Yeah. Uh, Dana's an asshole. He has
always been an asshole. He likes to poke and prod

(01:33:33):
people just and likes to smack around his wife, So
you know, fuck him, and he's lying through his teeth
and he's just doing this to get a reaction out
of people, because people like him get a a spider
monkey jacket himself off. Kind of a joy out of
doing that kind of shit. So that's my response.

Speaker 2 (01:33:51):
I don't really speak on it because I don't know
enough about Dana White or even what he said.

Speaker 1 (01:33:55):
I just saw people were where it was trending.

Speaker 2 (01:33:57):
I just want to say to Haskell, I didn't say
Jet's fan, but yes, the Jets ruined them, because you
just said we had shitty coaches, no weapons to help
him in no O line. You know who did all that.
Your organization, So not you, as in a Jets fan
who is a die hard. You had nothing to do
with that, but your organization, whether it be the coaches

(01:34:18):
coaching him badly, the GM's not getting him protection, the
GM's not getting him weapons almost.

Speaker 1 (01:34:25):
Thre then, come on, I'm two play m Last One.
Saince Winston was saying Dak was playing at an MVP level. Laughable.
He then gets c D back and stings up the joint.
Dak is a jag, just another guy. Meanwhile, Seahawks, looking
to lock up the NFC West shout out to Pistons
being number one seed in the East too.

Speaker 2 (01:34:44):
No, I said the same thing that I said previously,
in the same way we were talking about Baker Mayfield
and all that. At a certain point, unless you have
truly unlocked like one punch Man Goku level god status
as I play this all the time. Yeah, the Buccaneers
have injuries galore that eventually caught up with them.

Speaker 1 (01:35:05):
The Cowboys have no defense.

Speaker 2 (01:35:08):
So at a certain point, if a game is gonna
come along that Dak could not put up thirty points
and then what happens and so like that's I don't know.
I don't think I think that the MVP talk is
over for both of them unless they go on a
tear to finish the season. But they were playing at
MVP levels. You just had things holding you back. Daniel

(01:35:29):
Jones was playing at an MVP level. Until people realize, no,
it's Jonathan Taylor like you know what I'm saying, Like it's.

Speaker 1 (01:35:35):
It is what it is. It's true, it is what
it is. All right, Well, there you go. That's all
the questions. I know we're a little bit over, sorry, Winston,
let's wrap it up. Please let people know where they
can find you and watch all the stuff you got
going on here on the internets.

Speaker 2 (01:35:48):
You can find me at the Swaggy Blurred here, on
YouTube and on all platforms. I had to take our
dog to an emergency vet visit on Monday, so we
didn't do the blurd breakdown, so I will be doing
it on Thursday because we have blurds in tomorrow, although
as I would do it tomorrow Thursday, I'm directing another

(01:36:08):
commercial which is dope, so it might be a little
bit of a later show, but I will I will be.
I will be here on Thursday evening and then Capes
and Cows on Friday. Demon Slayer stuff is back. We
watched Mogan Train. Oh my god, you don't want to
miss my reaction, bro, I had a full on meltdown.

Speaker 1 (01:36:24):
So it's good stuff. So check all that out there
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