The Rock's Smashing Machine Underperforms, Lebron Fools Us, NFL Week 5 Reactions

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Speaker 1 (00:13):
Yo, what's up everybody? Welcome to a brand new episode
of Spill Fatiquila. Here on the John Rogan General, I
have John Rogan. John is always by the King of
Swag himself, Winston aloisious Marshall.

Speaker 2 (00:26):
Winston Hey from this angle, especially with the black shirt.
Look how jacked I look, bro, I look, I look.
I look like the rock Now mind you. It was
chest in tricep Day and I wore myself the f
out brout them don't flies?

Speaker 1 (00:39):
Just yeah, I heard you're taking pictures of yourself in
the gym and sending it to other men. I need
to know the reasons you caught me.

Speaker 2 (00:50):
Oh did he say that on the show yesterday? That's
actually hilarious because it was hit. I told him that.
I was like, I went to the doctor, and you know,
the doctor is just like, you gotta change some stuff,
my guy, so like you need.

Speaker 1 (01:07):
To work out.

Speaker 2 (01:07):
God damn, I hear you. But he was but but
it just changed him stuff around. And then Christian was like, yeah, man,
you know I'm out here in these streets. I was like,
why are you talking like that? It's like, yeah, you
know what I mean, Like, you know, I'm beat Jack.
This shit like I'm not showing you this for I'm
not showing you this for no sketchy reasons, but like look,
and he was like, see I got like that V.
Now go the wife flood that you know, look at

(01:27):
these and he started showing his gun. I was like, god, damn, bro,
like what are you training to be an ultimate fighter?
Like what the is going on? And I was just
like I'm getting back in there, but like you know,
I'm struggling with my things, like oh, go ahead and
give you my workout recommend and then he gave me
his full workout regimen and I started this week. So
he was asking me questions about scheduling this week for
the Demons. They reaction. I was like, it's gonna have

(01:49):
to be up to mystseet dog and then I set
the picture of be at the gym and he goes, okay, legs, legs, okay, okay.

Speaker 1 (01:59):
To a non gay way of showing you send you
a picture on my V my V going down into
we don't have that kind of relationships all.

Speaker 2 (02:08):
He was like, no, no, this is just so like
you have something to work towards, bro, Like I ain't
even trying to like you know, just just in a
complete like you can't be like this in a completely
normal way, in a normal way, totally totally normal way.

Speaker 1 (02:20):
Absolutely Jesus who knew they were burgeoning Jim bros.

Speaker 2 (02:24):
You know, dude, I mean, look, the fact that he's happy,
the fact that he's in shape as he is at
fifty is crazy. Yeah, true and so like, and he
even said, he's like, man, you know your young mass
I mean you probably ten seconds you'll be there. I
was like, okay, thank you. Also, I cannot believe I

(02:46):
just gave him that full on voice. That's hilarious.

Speaker 1 (02:49):
Yeah, yeah, man. Anyway, Yeah, so we're getting into things
here on the show. We are not going to trade
workout tips, although you know, you can always reach out
to us separately and ask although you should ask Wins
because I I still I'm up to fifty fifty five hours.
I haven't I haven't lifted a way to walk the mile,
just changing the diet. So the next step is following
the path of Christian and Winston and greg Al. But

(03:10):
maybe I start sending pictures of myself to them. But
we will see as that goes forward.

Speaker 2 (03:14):
To help. Man, you let you let me know I'll
be ready right here with the same man's.

Speaker 1 (03:18):
I got my Arnold book you Do work on next year.
I got the thick encyclopedia of you doing. We are.
We're gonna tell the sweaty blurred, the sweaty blurred, Yes.

Speaker 2 (03:33):
We are.

Speaker 1 (03:34):
We are getting into a lot of things here today
on the show, we're going to talk about the rocks
Uh box office and what that means for him going
forward now that the box office wasn't as strong, and
his comments after We're going to get into some stuff
going on with Taylor Swift and her dropping her life
of a showgirl and the comments she made about Super
Bowl halftime show? Do we leave them? Do we not
believe them? And also we're going to get into stuff

(03:57):
going on the one bell after another, finally getting some
right wing back last and getting into the Lebron James announcement.
Was it bullshit? Was it real? Ended up being all
about Hennessy and some NFL Week five news and whatever
else pops up into our brains as we're going along
talking about stuff. And of course please remember the stream
labs and super chats are open. Sending your love, sending

(04:18):
your support for the show. This is how we can
keep doing it is your support for the show. Dennis
hoppin thank you for starting us off right up to
bad follow his example sending you love. The streamlases right
above Winston's head social pinned in the chat and in
the description of this a video. So let's not waste
a time, Wins. Let's get into it. Our brother here,
Dwayne Johnson. He had a movie out this weekend called

(04:38):
The Smashing Machine. And sadly The Smashing Machine got smashed
by table swipt movie and by other movies, and I
think ended up making about six million. I think it
was overall here for the box office on it, which
was a shame considering how much conversation there had been
about Dwayne Johnson getting to be nominated for an Oscar. Possibly,

(05:02):
but yeah, in the end, it made six million domestically,
well below the projections of eight to fifteen million, and
the A twenty four spent fifty million on the movie,
and it even tracked. It is the worst opening of
Dwayne Johnson's career. It's even below twenty ten Films Faster,

(05:22):
which only opened at eight point five million. And The
Rock in response said something I think was really classy
put this on his Instagram from deep in my grateful bones,
thanking everyone who's watched The Smashing Machine. In our storytelling world,
you can't control box offers results, But what I realized
you can control is your performance and your commitment to
completely disappear and go elsewhere. And I will always run

(05:44):
to that opportunity. It was my honor to transform into
this role for my director of Betty SAFTI thank you
brother for believing in me. Truth is, this film has
changed my life. So, Winston, what are your thoughts? This
is a decidedly different rock who wanted to battle with
us about the black Appa had him box Office, about
the bay Watch critics, and about his return to WWE,

(06:05):
claiming the fans didn't get it. This is a guy
who's much more humble in his response here. So what
are he thought on the box office and his response?

Speaker 2 (06:12):
I mean, in all honesty, I love everything about it,
and I specifically this is kind of what I was
alluding to a little bit when you know he made
the comments, I think it was about this movie in
the press, for this movie of trying to like transition
into stuff. I truly think that he has made a shift.

(06:36):
I think that probably there was something that went down
as far as like you know, he said, you know,
the team really wanted me to do stuff. And I
believe that like some of that is the little bs
as you called it, and he probably you know, you're able,
that's part of what your team is supposed to be,
right way to like have an out if you need to.
But I truly believe him in that. I think that,

(07:01):
you know, he he's getting older. Yes, people have been
making whatever said comments, whether it be about the Final
Boss regimen and if it felt like it was too
much about him, how things went with the Black Adam stuff.
I think that a lot of his legacy was already set.
I think I wouldn't call like a midlife crisis, but

(07:23):
as like an elder statesman in Hollywood at this point,
I think that he I think he was just ready
to kind of tackle the new frontier. And I added
and of itself, I think the weight loss that that
ended up happening. That we saw him at Venice Film Festival,
which that's for another movie, right.

Speaker 1 (07:39):
Yeah, for another movie he's supposedly doing.

Speaker 2 (07:41):
Yes, So I think that I think I think that
there was you know, they say, what a hardhead makes
for a soft ass. I think that head has finally
been cracked a little bit. And I think that we
are seeing because as you told me, as a person,
You've said he's always been pretty humble and great to
people and things like that. It's just his ego as

(08:03):
far as the Rock, the Hollywood character, which applies not
just to wrestling, but even the persona he puts out there.
I think that that is the transition. We're just kind
of seeing and you could tell. I don't know if
it was the movie that did it or going into
the project that did it, but he is so good
in this movie. It actually made me sad that it

(08:24):
didn't do so well at the box office.

Speaker 1 (08:27):
Yeah, I have to agree with you. You know, as
I've said many times before, Athoroca says is my moniker
because the Rock influenced me a lot in the nineties
and into the two thousands. It was an utter blessing
in my life that I got to interview him twice
thanks to Christian Harloff who got me onto the bay
Watch thing the first time, and then Jaman j threw Collider,
which you can't see that anymore because Collider took down

(08:48):
a lot of my videos for their own personal reasons.
But like I, it had almost a million views that
interaction with the Rock and Jack Black and Kevin Hard,
and that was very humbling for me. And I was
very honored to be able to interview him twice. And
the reason I say he's one of the nicest guys
ever is because, hey, he is going to come to
these junkets when he's ready to come to the junkets.

(09:09):
Sometimes you're waiting, like I had to wait two hours
to interview him for Baywatch, but when you get in
the room, he is willing to give you anything you
want to do within reason. The fact that he cut
a promo with me for the Shmowdown, having never heard
of it, it was he was so willing to do
it with me, and you can see the picture in
the video. I think is up on Christians Channel somewhere

(09:30):
or one of the slowdown channels. And it was great
and he was so nice. And then when we sat
down and talked about, as I said, Jumanji, he remembered
me and we had a fun banter before we started
the conversation. So I have nothing but love and respect
for him as a person. But I do but I
did call him out of the last few years because
of how he responded to these missteps or these stumbles,

(09:53):
and the way that was defiant in a way that
was ridiculing people for daring to ask the questions, daring
to point out the way his films weren't resonating with
an audience, and so that turned me off. The way
he came back to WWE, with the way he was
blaming the fans for not receiving him warmly instead of
realizing that he had pushed past where his status was

(10:15):
in the company and his ego, trying to put himself
in the main events when he had no business being
in the main events. This is stuff that he did
that I think were colossal missteps out of a place
of ego. So I hear you. I want to believe
that he has turned the leaf. And I love this
response as much of what criticized him for the other responses.
I gotta give him his flowers for this very humble

(10:38):
and honest response. And I believe that if he had
responded this way to the Black Adam failure, to the
issues that happen with other movies that came out to
the WWE, I think people would have gone to see
Smash It Machine in larger numbers. I think one of
the reasons it underperformed it because it was projected eight
to fifteen. They weren't going to make one hundred million

(11:00):
dollars off the movie, but they projected a The reason
it underperformed, I think is because he burned so many
bridges at all the places where he'd been a fan,
he'd had fans that they didn't come see it. And
I also want to throw in the fact that he
didn't want to go against Trump in the previous election.
He went on Fox News on purpose to try to

(11:21):
cater to the Red State type of fans, and they
didn't even show up to see a movie about him
playing an MMA guy who is arguably in the Red State.
Then diagram. So to me, I think he made a
lot of colossal mistakes with numerous fan bases that in
the end bit him in the ass in this in
this movie and the people coming to see this.

Speaker 2 (11:42):
Yeah and I and to that point, Man, I mean again,
this was a very well done Yes performance. I personally,
be honest, I didn't love the movie.

Speaker 1 (11:54):
I agree with you.

Speaker 2 (11:56):
I think that the story was good. I think that
like I actually said this in my out of the
theater reaction. I think I like Benni Safty as a writer.
I don't like him as a director, and I think
part of that is the way that he writes and
or directs personal interactions with people. I think it's very

(12:18):
well done. I think the dialogue is very natural. I
think he's very good at bringing out real emotions from
people on all sorts of spectrums anger, love, sadness, happiness,
and brought something really special out of the Rock, so
that I give him all the credit for. But similar
to uncut Gems, he's really about this kind of chaos
and chaos through atmosphere, so like a lot of just

(12:41):
aggressive sounds, a lot of lights and quick cuts and
things like that, a lot of like close ups that
do that, and it's very jarring and you're not the
type of person that can kind of sit through that.
It I personally, if it wasn't for how strong the
Rock and Emily Blunt and that was an MMA fighter

(13:02):
that was playing his best friend, right, Ryan Bata. Ryan
actually did a pretty good job. He was he was
he was definitely an athlete trying to act, and so
I could see where some of the holes were there,
but because of how Benny did right slash direct it,
I was able to power through that and be like, no,
this feels like how this person would actually talk in

(13:22):
these scenarios. It feels very real. So all that being said,
I really really hope that the movie does well. I
think that I think that it is a fantastic example
of how talented the Rock really is. Because the question
has been is he number three behind the three wrestlers
that really went into Hollywood of like Batista, him and Sina.

Speaker 1 (13:44):
That was the argument people were making.

Speaker 2 (13:46):
Yes, right, is that he that he was mister Blockbuster? Sure,
but that like Batista, very quickly showed that he was
serious about this thing and took some roles and did
some incredible stuff. And Sena has been on the rise,
especially with Peacemaker kind of putting him over the top
that everybody was like, damn, the Rock's been in longer
and yet he's taking a back seat here. But I

(14:08):
think this automatically makes the conversation up to be readjusted
because this is strong enough of a performance that he
could get a nom. I don't know yet if he
could win, but I do think he could get a
nom for sure for this.

Speaker 1 (14:20):
Yeah, I agree with you one hundred percent. I think
this is just like Tom Cruise when he did Magnolia
or Born on the Fourth of July and people were like, Oh,
he's just a movie star. He's playing the same character
over and over again. And you know actors, let me
say the creatives, performers, when they're challenged by a certain
number of people in the public, they want to respond.

(14:43):
And I think the Rock saw how his numbers were
going down on all his blockbuster films and was like,
I'm gonna make a pivot here.

Speaker 2 (14:50):
Now.

Speaker 1 (14:50):
Did I agree with the stuff he said at the Ben, No,
I think that was bullshit. But I think he's trying
to create. He was trying to create a narrative that
validated what he was doing, the fit within the scope
of his ego or his sorry as persona. And I
was like, great, Ben. I saw the movie and I
was like blown away, like utterly blown away. One actor
watching another actor seeing the reality he brings through in

(15:10):
a lot of those moments was amazing. I think I
agree with you Wincid about the movie. I think the
movie at times was not as well constructed as it
should have been to match the performance. I thought there
wasn't enough things to fill in the blanks with the
relationship between Emily Blunt and the Dwain so that when
we got these emotional beats, we had built to those
emotional beats rather than oh, here's the fight about children.

(15:31):
Oh here's the fight about steroids. Oh here's the fight
about this, rather than let's build that up so that
when the fight happens, we know it was so there
were mistakes made there, I think overall, but his performance
is undeniable, not do I think.

Speaker 2 (15:43):
Yeah, no, no, no, I was just iish to agreeing with you.
Yeah yeah, performance fall.

Speaker 1 (15:47):
I think it's going to get nominated for an oscar.
I think the film underperforming not do well might hurt it.
But I think we've got three more months of movies
to watch, and if no One really bubbles to the
surface as strongly as he good shot.

Speaker 2 (16:01):
Him and Emily, I think very strong possibility of both
getting Because the funny thing is I went in, We're like, okay,
let's see what the rock can do here. I've heard
good things, let's see what the rock can do here.
And the irony was as good as the rock was
and he was. It was I found myself still looking

(16:22):
at Emily the whole time and being like, dude, she
really went in because I hate her like I like,
I like I. I both understand kind of her mental
trauma and what's going on, but also she is doing
such a good job to be so antagonistic, whether it's
her trauma doing it or not. But that's what was

(16:43):
so cool. Is it felt like watching you know, Brady
and Gronk, like Mahomes and Mahomes and Kelsey, you know,
like uh, you know, Montana and Rice Aikman and and
Irving that just just working in perfect tandem. Yeah, And
that's what was so good to me about the movie specifically,

(17:07):
was that very specific relationship and him even taking those moments.
I did notice twice, and I know that that was
a trick. One of the times they were able to
really show him to just start to cry.

Speaker 1 (17:19):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (17:20):
The other times they kept putting his hands in its
facing his hands because he probably couldn't quite get it,
and I'm not dacing him. Maybe that was just a
directorial choice, but I do know that that's a trick too,
if you really can't pull it to just to just
immediately go here until you do, and then you can
look up and there's tears in your eyes or something.
But Jesus Christ, dude, they both they both went off.

(17:42):
So I think they will get nominated. I don't think
the rest of the movie will necessarily.

Speaker 1 (17:46):
Yeah, no, yeah, If anyone's getting nominated, it's Dwayne and Emily.
I agree with you, and I think Emily did the
best with what she was handed, which was a completely
underwritten part. But every scene she was in she brought
electricity and chem and that's one of the greatest gifts
about her as an actress. Look, she's a fantastic actress,
there's no denying. But she can create chemistry with anybody,

(18:11):
which is really hard when you look at how many
actresses have been in films where they didn't have chemistry
with the lead. I have never seen a film where
she didn't have chemistry with the lead. She is so
giving as an actress in that way that you believe her.
Even in the Five Year Engagement, which isn't a great
Jason Siegel film, I believed that they were a couple.
I bought into the whole thing, and so she does

(18:32):
a great job in the film for sure.

Speaker 2 (18:33):
Well I mean, part of that has to do with
the fact that you're right. Not every actor can do that,
the ones that I think run into trouble. The secret
to doing that is to lean into the person that
you are acting across from. So if the moment is
that you know it's the chief and your bond, you know,
to think about the fact that he literally just murdered

(18:55):
your your lady and is trying to murder them and
all that stuff. If it's if it's a rom com,
you know, then it's like, yeah, this girl is cute,
but like you're ruining my apartment. I keep hearing all
the noise, Like you really need to look at that
person and internalize what you're feeling. And that was the
thing about the Rock that I think, because he played

(19:15):
such a soft spoken guy except for when he's in
the ring, it was so interesting to see him do that.
And you could tell that Emily loved, feared, hated him
all at the same time, and you could see her
processing that throughout, like little things like I changed my

(19:37):
smoothie mother, like you know, you didn't cut the cactus,
who everything your motherfucker white? Like she she really tapped
in to what was pissing her off or making her
fall in love with him. And I think that was
the other reason you got to give him credit again,
all those duos I just mentioned, the Brady, the Gronk,
the blurbing Akman. Neither of those individuals actually becomes who

(20:02):
they are if they didn't have their tag team partner
to do it.

Speaker 1 (20:05):
Oh yeah, one hundred percent.

Speaker 2 (20:06):
Yes, I think the same thing. I don't think the
Rock is able to necessarily get there, not because he's
not talented, but I think that he was already in
an A performance and she turned it into an A
plus because of what she brought to the table.

Speaker 1 (20:17):
I think when they worked together on Jungle Cruise, I
think he talked to her about this. I think he said, like,
I want to take this chance, I want to make
this pivot. I'm scared to do it. And I would
understand the Rock being scared. People forget like, as big
as the Rock is, he's still that kid with seven
bucks in his pocket from a poor situation who failed,
crashed out of the NFL, crashed out of the CFL,

(20:40):
and turned to wrestling as a desperate last avenue for
him instead of like going back to college to get
a degree in accounting. He knew he wanted to be
an entertainer, he just didn't know how, or an athletic entertainer.
Then the doors opened to go into movies, and he
does some cheesy films to start off with, but step
by step, the charisma of him gets to the point

(21:00):
where he is a massive global superstar now with multiple
irons in the fire, running a football league, running this,
running his production company, doing all these, you know, executive
producing shows and movies that he's not even in. Like,
there's so much that he does, and and but there
are still people who say, but that guy can't act.
That guy can't act. So it's scary to walk into

(21:23):
the unknown, and you want to have a partner who
will get you there that you can like open up
to when it gets top. And sure, I think Emily
has been that. And the fact that they're possibly doing
this Scorsese film if it happens, Emily is a big
part of that as well, So there's a and she
might have found a partner in the Rock that she
enjoys working with as well, because I don't think any

(21:44):
actress comes back and keeps working with someone they don't
like to work with outside of like a TV series
when they've been cast as a series regular. This is
someone who wants to keep doing movies with him, and
so I think this is great, you know.

Speaker 2 (21:55):
Yeah, I mean to that point, even though obviously you
would make the argument that the quarterback really is like
the face and the leader of the team, and there's
kind of the one orchestrating things where then the receiver,
while like key element, always ends up being kind of
like the diva or ends up being the star like
the time in the sense of like sure Aikman was there,

(22:18):
but everybody was paying attention to Michael Irving for one
reason or another, either because of his incredible play on
the field or because of his shenanigans off the field.
Right in that same kind of scenario. I look now
at this and it does feel like if Emily and
the Rock are doing the Scorsese film, because she's the
one kind of keeping it all together like this. Yeah,
because I would even make the argument that, like, I

(22:38):
really liked Edge of Tomorrow. I thought it was a
really great movie. Yeah, and I think both Emily and
tom are great, But again, Emily really feels like the
driving force behind that. Even though she's not the star. Yeah,
and it felt like the same thing. You've got this
hot shot receiver in Tom Cruise, And yes it's centered
around him, but what she's giving is just is putting

(22:59):
him on another plane, putting it she is. She is
so so good at that.

Speaker 1 (23:05):
I put Emily and Rachel Weiss in one basket. No
one else is in that basket. Those two are able
to move effortlessly into indie middle level, big blockbuster films
and never lose their ability as actresses to bring complex
performances out in any of the films they're in and

(23:28):
have chemistry with every single co star they're in.

Speaker 2 (23:31):
You know what we should do for else? You know
what we should do for an episode one of these days,
because we've done we talk a lot of sports both here,
get on game time obviously, talk a lot of film
and whatnot. One of these days we should stop and
do comps of actors and actresses to like top players
in like sport. That's good because like what they bring

(23:53):
to the table. So like, for example, you know, you
look at like the point guards that legitimately our point
guards and distributors. You know what I'm saying, Like, yeah,
magic could go off and score on his own. But
he was so good at just here you go, Here
you go, Here you Go, like gives you the magic vibe.
Who is like a true point guard like Chris Paul,
you know what I'm saying, Like who's out here dominating

(24:14):
like Shack and he's the center of attention and like
it like nobody's touching the paint. But then maybe she
misses all their free throw Like I feel like it'd
be a really fun exercise to do for a show
where we where we like pick some actors and actresses
and we we'd do the comp there. I think that'd
be pretty fun.

Speaker 1 (24:30):
Yeah, I agree with you one hundred percent. Let's figure
that out as a segment. That'd be a lot of fun. Hell,
I'm down with that.

Speaker 2 (24:35):
Well, let's wrap up.

Speaker 1 (24:36):
This discussion because we've been on it for twenty minutes.
Let's wrap up this discussion. And what do you think
the Rock does next? Man, he's got I think Mowana
coming out and then another blockbuster film. But do you
think this stings so much that he now is like
this wounded puppy who goes back to blockbusters and does
them unwillingly or does he still endeavor and go and

(24:58):
do these more serious fair to learn that side of
things in the business. What do you think happens?

Speaker 2 (25:03):
I think what needs to happen. Yeah, and again he's
strong enough here. If the nominations come, I don't think
he gives a shit. I already don't think he gives
a shit based off of his response. If he's really
true to his words on that he's gonna do blockbuster
films because he's got a lifestyle he wants to pay for.
I mean supposedly. I mean we don't know if Fast

(25:23):
X Part two is actually happening, because there's been some
drama in that. But in that Jumanji three is in
the production is out there, so you don't know it's
supposed to. You know, Mowana obviously, San Andreas two, there's
a treatment outlined out in the world Jungle Cruse two
developments out there. He will do his blockbusters, but I

(25:46):
think what that means is you're probably gonna get one
or two blockbusters from him a year, and you're going
to get something like this, And I hope he does
because I liked seeing this side of him. I really
impressed me too, man.

Speaker 1 (26:00):
And listen, I've always known this was possible, because even
if you watch him, like if you watch him, I
guess I've seen everything and just about everything he's ever done,
and there are moments. There's always been moments. But I
mentioned Snitch. I think on the show and other shows
like that show. With that film, he does a really
good job as a concerned father whose son is caught
up with drug dealers. There's a really good performance. And

(26:21):
then there are moments in Ballers where there's some genuine
connections for both characters, right, and the things that were
going on. So he's always had this possibility. He's always
even in Central Intelligence when he is like talking about
what it was like to be a fat kid in
high school, having been a fat kid in high school,
like the pain of all of that I was I
was dialed into. He really made me believe in that.

(26:42):
And so in Jumanji too, there are moments in Jumanji
where he has Yeah. So I think he's always had
the ability to go into this place. He just needed
the right situation. And yes it didn't make one hundred
million dollars, but everyone's talking about how good you are
in the movie, and that's why think, what was the
main thing to accomplish here for himself, and I think

(27:04):
you should feel good about that.

Speaker 3 (27:06):
Well.

Speaker 2 (27:06):
That that is why I gave him the benefit of
the doubt when we were talked about this a couple
of weeks ago about you know my team, you know
the pressure from the team.

Speaker 1 (27:16):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (27:16):
I believed him because that's the thing. We both know
how hard it is to make it in this industry.
If you found a formula that works, the one thing
that has been said to everybody, stick to that formula
and find ways to branch out into what you ultimately
want to do. Like the metaphor I used to tell
people is if you there was a frat party, worry

(27:38):
about getting into the party, and you'll work your way
over to the beer pong table. Don't immediately be like,
I have to come in here to play beer because
you can't even get in right now. And in this
particular case, he got in, and he got in as
the action guy because it's an easy transitioning from wrestling.
I think that was correct, and there was probably a
lot of pressure to continue to do that because he
was also funny. Like the thing about him in wrestling,

(28:00):
it wasn't just that he was a good wrestler. His
personality was fucking hilarious. So that's why almost all of
his movies were comedies or straight action. It was one
or the other. And so that is where like because
to this day, probably the funniest line that that that
still made it into the Fast series was like, uh, oh,
hide all your baby oil. He's like, oh, hi, all

(28:21):
your what do you say had all your hair cream
or whatever? Whatever the hell he said in Tyrese Ludicrous.

Speaker 1 (28:28):
Which was an improv line, and that is yeah, So
you know, but I do I think he's like, you know,
become this humble guy. No, but I do think he's
been humbold. And hopefully there's because of this response. I
hope there's a bet. I hope there's a better version
coming going forward. And the other opportunities pop up, uh
and he gets the you know, the recognition for the

(28:49):
work he's doing because, like you said, he doesn't need this,
He doesn't need to do this. He could quite happily.

Speaker 2 (28:56):
I found it. Had all your baby hide all that
big ass bull head.

Speaker 1 (29:01):
And I tell you this, he has always hated the
Rock ever since. When I interviewed him at callid Or,
his people came with him. I interviewed for an hour
for Deep Cut, and his kids came with him. Tyrese Yeah,
and his people said to me, please don't ask Hi
about the rock. Please don't ask him about the rock.
And I was like, Okay, no problem. And within five

(29:23):
minutes of the interview, he brings it up and I didn't.
I looked at his people, his people, I was like ah,
and he just was going off. And then at the
end of the interview we left. We were leaving, we
still had a bay Watch stand up by Wendy's desk.
He goes over and he starts clowning the rock on
the Baywatch and has his people taking pictures of him,
like licking the rock's face or making or having sex

(29:44):
with the rock. It was like, I just didn't understand it, right.
But like that one comment, I think Tyrese is never
going to survive or over overcome.

Speaker 2 (29:53):
That talk about somebody who is very talented, yes, but
I think just the industry has chewed him up and
spit him out in a way that like his mental
health has been very fully on display, oh for years,
and that's where he gets a lot of these jokes
back and forth, because that what you're describing. If his

(30:13):
whole people said, don't talk about the Rock and he
immediately does it, then he's like playing on the on
the thing that screams so much insecurity and ego meltdown.
That's crazy.

Speaker 1 (30:24):
It was I sent to his people before as they
were I was I pulled one aside. I was like,
I'm so sorry. She's like, we love him, but god,
I wish he'd just stop it. Was he just like
go the rock?

Speaker 2 (30:34):
Was like yeah, So they didn't even want it because
he gets sensitive. They didn't want it because they knew
he was going to go on a tyring.

Speaker 1 (30:40):
Yes, and they knew he was going to set him
off to like go god knows where and he might
like take off his clothes like Mark Lawrence or some ship.
Like they didn't know, what more do you want from me?

Speaker 2 (30:53):
Uh?

Speaker 1 (30:53):
So we'll see, but we should we should take a
shot right at tequila shot to uh to respect to
the Rock. Congratulations on doing a great performance. Hopefully you
get nominated. Ah who we will see, We will see.
All right, let's move on to some other stuff going
on here in the world of entertaining. Let's talk about
someone who fooled us with a performance, and that is

(31:16):
Lebron James. This mother effort here man Lebron James's latest
marketing stunt. It's garnered a lot of reactions, most of
them negative. He played it out like he was going
to announce the second decision, and apparently Winston a lot
of Lakers fans bought up tickets for the Lakers seasons

(31:38):
season because they thought Lebron was going to retire, But
in the end it was an ad for Hennessy playing
on the original decision from twenty ten, and he is
getting destroyed the athletics. Dan Shanoff called it easily the cringiest,
corniest thing he's ever seen in James's career. USA Today's

(31:59):
Lorenzo writes, James quote burned through some of the good
will he had worked so carefully to cultivate. Candice Buckner
in DC wrote, James has quote nothing else better, dude
on Tuesday than manipulate anyone willing to give them their
time in Cleveland. On the Plain Dealer, Jimmy Watkins writes
James the second decision and looks even worse than it sounds.
And George Thomas of the Akron Beacon Journal, which is

(32:22):
where Lebron is from Akron, he wrote, James quote proved
he could still hold swever fans across the pop culture
landscape even though he fooled them. So, man, this was
such a letdown. What were your thoughts on this?

Speaker 2 (32:35):
Man? It was kind of infuriating because I saw the
same thing essentially by doing that. Yeah, and I kind
of called this a little bit when it started to happen, okay,
only in the sense that I was with everybody else
of like, Okay, this could be a scenario where he
is announcing that he's going to be retiring after this season,

(32:57):
And so I saw the like I was looking forward
to trying to get to I knew it was going
to be insanely expensive, and I was trying to get
to a MAVs Lakers game out here, and the last
game of the season for the Lakers, which is supposed
to be the Jazz, who were not scheduled to be

(33:19):
very good at all. Tickets in the Nosebleeds were like
eighty dollars jumped up to almost five hundred dollars because
it was potentially Lebron's last game, and like that's it.
It's what's funny, is it? Reminds me of the nonsense
that kind of went down in the last week of

(33:40):
people clowning the w of like oh Man Finals tickets
are starting at like thirty five dollars, and like Jamel
Hill pushed back, being like, aren't y'all complaining about how
you can never go to these big events in the
first place. You can't get to the NBA Finals, You
can't get to the super Bowl because the cheapest super
Bowl ticket is too great brand Well, it's like.

Speaker 1 (34:01):
Real quick wincent. You're absolutely correct because this was the
same week where we found out how much come tickets
are going for.

Speaker 2 (34:07):
The World Cup Finals. The cheapest ticket was eight grand.
Eight grand. That's the nosebleed section nuts and eight grand
to go. So, like, this is infuriating because I'm sure
in some level or another, the NBA probably signed off
on this in some form or fashion, if they have
any sort of control to do so, because they knew

(34:28):
something like this would happen. They knew they knew that
this would make people freak out and go I gotta
buy them Laker tickets. I'm sure Jeanie was like, go ahead, bro,
do what you do, but I'm gonna tell you this.
This was incredibly disgusting. If the Rock was gonna do this,
because this reminds me of when a year sorry Lebron Ron,

(34:49):
we was talking about the Rock for like almost an hour. Sure,
if Lebron was going to do this, there were two
times that would have been appropriate to do this. I
think the first time would have been when he decided
he was gonna leave the heat and go back to Cleveland.
I think that would have been, like I know he
wrote that open letter, but that might have been the
time to go back and like the second decision and
you could have read the open letter or whatever it is,

(35:10):
or once the retirement is done, if you really are
gonna pump some sort of thing, what is he gonna
do next? Like we you know, he has this production company,
he has this, he has that he's gonna go into coaching,
He's he gonna whatever whatever. That would have been a
time to do this. Doing this right now felt incredibly
manipulative and it felt disgusting. And for somebody that has
constantly defended Lebron and things that he's done, I was

(35:33):
incredibly disappointed. Yeah, this this I don't mind celebrities selling stuff.
I fucking hate it. When they decide to manipulate me
to do something again, Snoop like I'm quitting smoke and
everybody like, oh my god, Oh my god. And then
it was like, I mean smokeless Grill's nephew, come get

(35:53):
this smokeless grill, Like like, yeah, it's weird because some people.

Speaker 1 (35:59):
Sell upbraided and they're like, oh, yeah, you fuck with you?
Are you idiots? You body you idiots? And it's like, no, man,
it's because most human beings are people who buy what
you say and they believe you. That's not something to
be villified or ridiculed, because like being cynical is not
something we should be celebrating in the world either. Like

(36:23):
that's the thing that's crazy to me. And so yeah,
to me, I was like, Okay, what is he going
to announce? Where's he going next? The off season? They've
been all these rumors about issues with him and JJ
or with Polinka and is this him just moving on
and embracing going to another places, going back to Cleveland.
There's all kinds of ideas, and then it's like for
a Hennessy bottle limited edition lebron James Vsop bottle that's

(36:47):
selling for fifty four dollars. It's so fucked up because
I think a lot of people commented and I'm not
going to speak this because I personally can't speak for
the black community, but a lot of I saw a
lot of people on Twitter comments that, you know, as
black people, that they were like, the last thing we
need is one of our big stars to promote an
alcoholic drink that has been an issue in the black community, alcoholism.
And so I could totally understand that.

Speaker 2 (37:09):
I can see that, but I'm not I wouldn't lean
so far into that. I've found myself a lot of
times because it's been very hair trigger for everything. Everything
has become racist, homophobic, sexists, you know, anti woke, whatever
that I'm I'm I'm very slow now. I think the

(37:31):
final straw was the Sydney Sweeney jeans thing. It's not
that it was there wasn't some coded shit in there,
but I also felt like people were making it worse
than it was right, And so I'm trying to be
really careful about how I quickly react. So I'm not
going to go so far as to be like, man,
it's a race, but you just push an alcohol brother
Like I'm not going to do all of that. But

(37:53):
where I am upset at him? Truthfully, you are one
of the most influential people on the planet. You were
one of the most duential Black people and athletes on
the planet. People genuinely love you and have a kind
of this parasocial relationship because of who you have become
as a basketball player and a brand. So that is

(38:13):
where I get upset, because you were actively playing with
the emotions of people that are concerned that your career
is over and they are equally invested. That is where
I get like, that was fucked up, you know what
I'm saying. And I see people in the chap being like,
no one said you had to buy tickets. I understand
that one thousand percent, Like how much does that suck
for somebody that wanted to potentially buy a ticket and

(38:35):
all the tickets for the season immediately balloons. Now they
may go back down at this point, but like all
of a sudden, I was just like, well, damn it.
Like now, like I said, I'm not gonna be able
to see the Mavericks play the Lakers. Obviously, hopefully this
will change now, but like nobody's saying they had to
buy the tickets. I agree with you, but you can
call out somebody for being an asshole, you know what

(38:56):
I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (38:56):
Like, and I think the.

Speaker 2 (38:59):
Other difference people love to say this about with Taylor's
album that she put out like twenty five different variants
of her album or something like that would be in
final CD, target special, whatever it is. You don't have
the difference there. You don't have to buy every variant.
That is, if you decide to be that person that
does that, that is a direct choice. But it isn't
like a this is a once in a lifetime moment

(39:19):
that you're not gonna know about. And that is what
Lebron kind of set this up, as you know what
I'm saying. That's like the slight difference there.

Speaker 1 (39:25):
Yeah, I don't disagree with you, and I yeah, the
manipulative nature of it all I just thought was dumb.
I think it's a dumb look. And now you've made
two separate decisions and both times you got skewed for
them both times, and I think it's just a bad
move on so many levels, especially when everyone's kind of
done with Everyone's kind of over the Lebron thing, right,
and they were like, Okay, fine, he's gonna retire. I

(39:48):
want to be there because I love and appreciate this
dude and whatever. He might not even be a Laker
by the time the season starts, Winston, It's very possible.
So the idea that people were buying tickets, now they
can't get that money back. They can't return those tickets necessarily,
but you're going to get the money you spent for them.

Speaker 2 (40:06):
You got to play the jazz or the number one seed,
and then you could try and sell that ship. The
Lakers are on the bubble. So I see, I see
somebody saying, uh, you know, he did this last year
with Amazon. Let me ask this question. We made an ad,
but did he did he specifically invoke the decision?

Speaker 1 (40:25):
But it was with Amazon, like the the logo was
on that announcement, so you knew it was something they.

Speaker 2 (40:32):
Did not It did not do that, but it just
said the second decision and then gave a date and time,
and I had.

Speaker 1 (40:40):
A person sitting on the director's chair like just like
it was with Jim Gray, like.

Speaker 2 (40:44):
A perfect almost replica of what happened all those years ago.
So that is a direct manipulation. That is the difference.
He may have done an ad for Amazon teasing something,
but to invoke the decision, which was one of the
biggest moments in sports, both in the course of his
career and how people did shit like this going forward.

(41:04):
You know what I'm saying, like that that was a
very particular choice, and that is all I'm saying. I
there are so many things I love Lebron for. I
this sucks.

Speaker 1 (41:13):
I agree. I agree one hundred percent. Chris Corcoran saying
kind of reminds me of when Trump had a big
announcement a few years ago and it was all just
his NFTs.

Speaker 2 (41:21):
I remember, I remember that.

Speaker 1 (41:25):
It's just, Yeah, I just don't think you should fuck
with people. I really don't. I don't understand the logic
of it. I don't understand manipulating your fan base of
the audience. And yeah, there are people like Jared Jay,
who's clearly a frustrated guy about his life, who's gonna
come in and be like, you all are stupid for
believing this is if you know, Jared J's accomplished a
lot in life, these things you see, some people are
just gonna, you know, ridicule other people for it. And

(41:46):
it just doesn't make sense because you're relying on the
fact that people love and respect you and defend you.
As Winston said, he did, you know, why would you
take advantage of their good will in this way? And
I think it's so ridiculous.

Speaker 2 (41:58):
Well, the other thing, I think people need to take
any consideration. I see King sport Cow that's he's a homie,
he's and all that. Bringing up well, Jordan retired three times.
Was each time a big deal? Yes, But also we
can't always use history as a direct comparison because think
about what the world was back then. Social media didn't exist.

(42:20):
Brands weren't like, yes, Jordan was the brand because you know,
I want to be like Mike and Jordan's shoes and
all that kind of stuff. But the way those things
were retired were press conferences and shit like that. So
there's no way, there's no way Jordan would have called
a press conference to be like, I just wanted to
come and tell y'all that I'm gonna be selling Hennessy. Now,
Jordan Hennessy, don't miss that ship. I'm not retiring, bitch

(42:42):
like that's that's not something that would have ever happened. Now,
they're not they're not directly comparable because Brett Favre retired
and unretired a bajillion times. Tom Brady did that ship
a couple of years ago, and we got annoyed with
his ass too. It's this idea that it wasn't even then,
I am taking this next step in my career, which
means I'm to be leaving the game of basketball. It
is straight up, I did this so I could get

(43:03):
money out of you.

Speaker 1 (43:04):
Also, all those retirements of Jordan's had something completely going on.
Like the first time he retired was after his dad's
murder and the gamblings and the gambling stuff, and he's
likely in a row and so you know, he was
on a process of process seeing his father's death and
he wanted to pursue this dream of baseball. And maybe

(43:24):
it was because, look, I want to be able to
do everything before I die unexpected like my father did.
And so and people were clamoring from not to retire.
People were sad he was retired. It was shocked.

Speaker 2 (43:34):
It's different.

Speaker 1 (43:35):
And then when he came back and retired a second
time again, it was a tragic retiring because people wanted
him to stay a Chicago Bull. They didn't want him
to retire but still could still do it. And it
was all because Jared Reinsdorf and all the stuff that
went on by the scenes. So both times it is
different than what Lebron did. The third time it was like,
thank god, just you can't do it anymore. Stop coming back.

Speaker 2 (43:54):
And kingsport to that point. Yes, he did retire for baseball,
but that's we remember if go if you haven't go,
rewatch last dance, it's fantastic. Yeah, he did it because
his dad was murdered. His heart wasn't in basketball like that,
and his dad had always wanted him to play baseball.
So that was kind of an homage to his dad
of doing that and trying to go on that journey
for him and then ultimately when it didn't quite work

(44:15):
out and things going the way it is, that's why
he got pulled back in and it ended up being great.
But but but yes he did retire for baseball, but
there were more. There was more than I just want
to play baseball now right right exactly.

Speaker 1 (44:26):
So we'll see what the Boy who Cried Wolf does next,
because I wonder what people will when he does retire.
Will people care about their retirement announcement? I think it'll
be curious to see. All right, let's move on to
some soy you mentioned Taylor Swift. Let's talk about her. Man,
I know this is I know this is the Kirsten's
gonna throw shit at me at the screen segment of
the show. But h Taylor Swift is uh. Guys has

(44:49):
a new album out. The album has been received generally
well by critics, but there have been a lot of
negative reactions from fans on social media, acting for she
has she has like I posted that she tried to
create a TikTok dance for herself, which is like Michael
Jackson calling himself the King of pop. You let other
people call you something, you don't call yourself something and

(45:11):
then they She gave an answer to the halftime situation
to me was weird.

Speaker 2 (45:16):
Winston.

Speaker 1 (45:17):
She said on the Jimmy Fallon Show that like her
and jay Z's teams are really cool with each other,
and she said, I didn't want to focus on my boyfriend,
who was risking his life playing football, worrying about the
choreography of my dance. She had areostour while he was
playing football and supposedly taking his life into his hands

(45:37):
playing football only one person's ever died in the history
of the NFL, Winston during a game. But he's taking
a less.

Speaker 2 (45:43):
Old Jamar Hamlin.

Speaker 1 (45:45):
No, he didn't die.

Speaker 2 (45:46):
He came back to He did die. They had to him.
He died for like eighteen minutes or however alone. That
shit was bro like he came back.

Speaker 1 (45:55):
Bro. I mean, there's only one who legitimately died and
stay then, I guess I should say, and that was
in nineteen seventy one, a minne Minnesota Vikings receiver. So I, I,
you know, there's a lot of things going on here
that I'm not one hundred percent comfortable with.

Speaker 2 (46:08):
But please, I know you defend her. What are you thinking, Well,
only in this regard. I there's two things that I
think to look at with this. I mean the first
with her comment. I can understand that in the sense
that you also need to throw in even though the
super Bowl halftime show is the biggest moment of the
year for music period realistically, more so than the Grammys

(46:29):
everything else. Like maybe that's the accolade moment. Yeah yeah,
but that is the moment that you get pretty much
every single American more or less a large amount of
the rest of the world to actually tune into whoever
is playing that show. So that is arguably the biggest
moment a musician could have. That being said, I could
understand her deciding once Travis is retired, she might do

(46:52):
it like that would make sense. But I understand what
she's saying, especially considering, Hey, her Man has played in
what the four of the last five Super Bowl whatever
the number is Off the top of my head, I
can't remember. So that being said, it is a violent sport.
She has seen him and other people get injured. I'm
sure she heard about Tamarrow Hamlin. So I think that

(47:14):
there is an understanding of I don't want to be
thinking about the show. It's completely different when you're in
the same building versus I am literally on tour right now.
You know what I'm saying, Like you're at work, I'm
at work versus I know he's on the field and
all of a sudden, you hear, oh my god, Travis
is down and then she shuts down. You see what
I'm saying, Like, I can get the mentality of I

(47:36):
will leave this alone if I ever do this until
after he's done, because he's made it clear enough. We're
getting to the end here. Oh, whether it's this year,
next year, three years from now, whatever it is, we're
getting to the end. So I could see her circling
back and being like, I'll do it now. But when
I got that and then the other thing that I
just noticed, I didn't really listen to the album at all.

(47:58):
I started to last night when I was with Kristen
and she played some of it for me. And I
don't understand what a lot of the complaints are. It
sounds like a Taylor Swift album, Like it doesn't sound
like she did anything super crazy one way or the other.
I think a lot of the commentary but that's a
lot of well well, but but like most of the

(48:20):
commentary has been like, man, her writing got trash, and
I'm like, no, it just sounds like the other pop
albums she's done were on pop albums, Like sometimes she's
deep and sometimes she's just like shake it off, and
she she puts something out like that. The only actual
beef that I have with the album, I do not
like that song canceled. It actually kind of pisses me

(48:42):
off because it sounds it feels very tone deaf, and
apparently some of her introductions about it were were not great,
like how she described it, I don't want to miss
quote it, so I'm not going to. But when you
listen to the lyrics, and it's like, you know, I
like my friends like canceled, it been dripped and Gucci
and blah blah blah, and I was like, in a
world where that term and that idea has been fully
bastardized by society, but especially again with Maga and everything

(49:06):
that's been going out with Charlie Kirk in the last
couple of weeks and all, but even before that, it
seemed really tacky to put that on the end. And
that is the only thing where I would be like, nah,
bro that that was not the move, but the rest
of it, whatever it's it is. She put out the
stuff that draws her fans in and that they love
it and they celebrated they can relate to it and
shit like that, and then other than that, Okay, if

(49:29):
you don't like it, you don't have to listen. She
actually wrote a song called Actually Romantic apparently I think
it's called actually Romantic where it's too of the haters
being like, no man has ever paid this much attention
to me, as you have and it's a little romantic
that you care this much about what I'm doing with
my life. That's Shit's crazy. Bro y'all got god like.
If you don't, the fastest way for her to not

(49:50):
be a thing is to leave her alone. Like if
you ignore her, go away.

Speaker 1 (49:56):
Yeah, I don't know she would be I think she'd
be destroyed if ignored her, because she I think she
you know you and I never.

Speaker 2 (50:02):
Would her fans, her friends, her fans love her, she
would They never would that. Just let them have their happiness,
Let them have the artists you go love Drake or
Kendrick or Beyonce or or Morgan Wallen, whatever it is
you're into. It is what it is. I get the
cheese everywhere.

Speaker 1 (50:15):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (50:16):
But at the same time, it's how much does it
hurt you to change the channel, to change the radio station?

Speaker 1 (50:22):
You know, I haven't. I haven't listened to any of
the new music or And to be honest with you,
I haven't been a Taylor Swift person in a few years.
Like I liked her early stuff, but it's when she
started getting the kind of breathy kind of let me
turn off all the capital letters on my song titles,
That's when I kind of moved away for I.

Speaker 2 (50:38):
Saw you say that on the show yesterday. I had
one comment. I was watching the stream for like twenty
minutes and I was like, the capital letters roca as it.

Speaker 1 (50:50):
Insists upon itself, and I was like, no, I don't.
I'm not good with this, you know, but I you know,
to me, the thing is, she's a thirty five year
old woman now, and I think that is this. It
feels like Katie Perry when Katie was trying to still
come off like she was in her twenties. I think
there's that energy in this album and the reaction and
some of the videos I've seen on Twitter and social media,

(51:13):
the clips, I'm like, you know, you're in a different
place now, but we'll see. I mean, a misstep is
bound to happen. She can't knock it out of the park.
Every time there's been some negative reactions.

Speaker 2 (51:24):
I agree with you and canceled.

Speaker 1 (51:25):
A lot of people don't like would either and think
it's really tacky the way she's talking about Kelsey's dick.
So I get it, like there are legitimate clings. My
thing I come back to is I think there's a
responsibility and what you brought up earlier. I disagree with
you on this. Her issuing four different versions of her album.
I get it. You can say to regular, normal, rational

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people who are not part of the swifty movement or cult, like, hey,
don't spend your money, but these people can be irresponsible
when you're young, and she is putting out four so
people are going to spend their money and going to
debt or maybe go broke buying this stuff. And I
think there is a responsibility an artist has to that.

(52:06):
Like Ariana Grande released different versions over a year, it
wasn't all at once, and so to me, I find
this to be a fascinating decision.

Speaker 2 (52:15):
But I pushed back as a gamer because the number
of ways. Just as an example, if you wanted to
catch all one hundred and fifty of the original Pokemon,
you either needed to have a friend that had the
opposite game, or you as had to buy two separate games,
and that only got worse as the series went on.

Speaker 1 (52:34):
You're irrational person, I'm not talking about you understand that,
but to that point there were irrational people or yes,
that time, I was a child like.

Speaker 2 (52:44):
So to me, this feels like the argument I was
having with a friend when they were voting on whether
or not to let like phone gambling happen in California,
and my friend was like, you have to ban it,
like people are response, I was like, but see, that's bullshit,
because we're supposed to be in a land of the
free situation. If that's what it is, then seek help,
have family help you like, and you're going to punish

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the other people that want to do that responsibly. So
it's the same thing. If somebody makes good money and
they want to buy all twenty five versions of her album,
that's their prerogative. And if somebody does something silly like
that and they don't have the money to do that, again,
I thought we lived in a free country. You don't
have to do shit. Yeah, And that was you know
what I'm saying, Like, I get.

Speaker 1 (53:23):
Your point in its overall presentation, right, but we also
know that there are a lot of people who are
in this swifties thing who are going to spend their
money and put themselves in a bad situation because they

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need to own all this stuff. And I do think
artists have a responsibility to their fan base in that
way to not try to milk them out of as
much money as possible for every little thing. And I
do think this is an element of her team, like
the bracelets and all the I do think there is
an element of her team that just wants to This

(54:04):
is no Liosten. I know you're gonna get mad. I
want to say this, but it's like Trump, Come get
my Bible, Come get my NFTs, come get my coin,
come get this my cologne.

Speaker 2 (54:13):
You know. It's like, really, the only reason that that
I don't think is a fair comparison is because that
is genuinely a grift with no actual value of low
quality shit that's being pushed twenty four seven, whereas this
is specifically tied to an album. Malise, She's not doing
this year round. And I think the other thing to
keep in mind, Yeah, we're gonna sit here and pretend

(54:34):
like I just went to the gn X tour and
I had a great time. We're gonna sit and pretend
that Drick wasn't selling T shirts for one hundred and
fifty dollars, that Beyonce sold a jean jacket for five
hundred dollars public carter. That is, that is not a
tailor specific thing. That is an artist music industry thing.
And whether that's because the teams behind them or whatever
trying to recoup money or whatever it is, that is

(54:58):
just the the nature this game. And like again, it
is not specific to a swiftye because I knew someone
that literally went to Cowboy Carter five times, and I'm like,
my nigga, you were constantly struggled to pay your rent.
Why are we going to Cowboy Carter five times? If
you told me four of those times someone hooked you up.

(55:18):
You knew somebody that works security and said, bro, I
got you with Noseley, but you're gonna be there fine. Nah,
he bought five separate tickets. That was a choice. So
but again, free country, do what you want.

Speaker 1 (55:34):
I know, I know. I just think there's a responsibility factor,
but you know there, it is what it is, and
you're valid. Your points of view are absolutely valid to
I hear.

Speaker 2 (55:45):
What you're saying about the responsibility, but that I am
not in the business of save that for your kids.
I'm not in the nature of parenting people. You have
free choices, in free will to do what you want.
And Girod actually brings up a good point. It's so
different than comic books having different varying covers. I knew
people that would do the same thing. Yeah, I never
you go get that, you go get that rare comic
and those variants start going up on hundred tw hundred,

(56:07):
three hundred dollars in price because it's like you're trying
to get all five of the original X Men on
this new reprint of issue one. You know what I'm saying,
Like people do that shit like it's not her specific.

Speaker 1 (56:18):
No, I know, I know. I just think because she's
the big one of the if not the biggest star
right now currently, there is an example she could be setting.
But you know again, it's she hasn't.

Speaker 2 (56:31):
She doesn't have to.

Speaker 1 (56:32):
That's the thing as part of being a free country,
as you said you wasn't, she doesn't have to. So
and people are clearly willing to spend their money to
buy all of this stuff, which I.

Speaker 2 (56:41):
Think take money to go see this movie. To me,
that was the bigger rip bucket. But they were happy. Yeah,
And that was the thing that I got told it
was like making me happy to leave us on I said,
I bet that the movie essentially itself was just music
for me. It was the music video official release of
the music video. It was behind the scenes of the
music video. It was introductions for each of the songs,

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and then it was the rest of the songs on
the album. It was just the lyric videos of that,
and they paid out of pocket. Couldn't use a list.
They paid out of pocket to go see it, and
it won the box office for the weekend. But again,
it brought people happiness, and that was a choice if
you wanted to spend the twelve dollars go do that?
Do you think? I was, like, it couldn't be me.

(57:22):
But I also don't understand that kind of word, like
I you know, I say that, like I didn't just
I've seen the Ninja Turtles movie a bajillion times and
I just paid for the re release out of pocket
twenty something dollars to go see it, you know. And
for me it was because hey, I never got to
see it on the big screen. I was, yeah, it
was too young when it came out, and blah blah blah,

(57:43):
people spending money on shit and as dark of the
world that we're in right now, when Chicago is being
invaded and Portland's being invaded by a rogue administration, like
if that's bring if that brings you happiness, then go
get all twenty of Taylor's versions of the album and
go see the movie and go on the next tour.
I have more power to you. I salute you.

Speaker 1 (58:03):
Just pay your bills. You can pay your bills, for godsakes,
pay your bills.

Speaker 2 (58:08):
But if that's you, don't go drink you you saved
up for the next Cowboy Carter tour. Uh date, then
by all means god, I salute you.

Speaker 1 (58:21):
I like Smithy. He's like, but I have multiple Outlaw
Nation shirts.

Speaker 2 (58:25):
Wait, I didn't do it, say but you had different
designs because there was some different everybody. They wanted it
every color, and that's your far rock. You should have
offered one color, one.

Speaker 1 (58:34):
Color every few months. I wouldn't. I should have done that.

Speaker 2 (58:37):
Yeah, exactly, because you know, you know, there was an
interesting report that came out about this craze with la
boo boos. And that's actually a sign that that not
only a recession is coming, but that we are severely depressed. Yes,
and that is and that is because it's it is
literally just that people spend money on frivolous ship and

(58:57):
you see everything else kind of decline like that, and
an upset should happened. It's because they're looking for some
glimmer of happiness.

Speaker 1 (59:03):
Yeah, the pet rock in the nineteen seventies, when all
the dramas going to Watergate and Vietnam, a rock was
sold as a pet. It was just a rock in
a box and people bought it in large numbers.

Speaker 2 (59:16):
Sell me this penk Yeah, yeah, I just rewatched it yesterday.
I love that movie so much.

Speaker 1 (59:22):
The movie is great, so true. All right, well, let's
let's leave the world of tables swimmers move into this
one battle after or another of wins and is finally
getting some crap from the right wing, a little upset
about the situation.

Speaker 2 (59:37):
I'm it finally made one hundred million dollars.

Speaker 1 (59:39):
And now people are upset about. Ben Shapiro said, you
can make excuses for it, but basically the film is
an apologia for radical left wing terrorism. That's what it is.
I should say it. I should see the way he
does it is the Sunday of a brick. The basic
conspiracy theory, which I say, people color table so it's
so stupid. And then Fox new was.

Speaker 2 (01:00:00):
David the people of color to be victims and now
and now, no, no, you have you have Leo Leo
DiCaprio and he's porting it. And you know what, the
Tiana Taylor, I don't know anything about her, is probably ridiculous.

Speaker 1 (01:00:11):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:00:12):
I higher the idea.

Speaker 1 (01:00:14):
I higher.

Speaker 2 (01:00:15):
He could have been a white woman, but he had
to make it a black woman because it took took
it took a took a good job from a white woman.

Speaker 1 (01:00:21):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:00:21):
Uh, it's christ.

Speaker 1 (01:00:25):
Who says the Uh, it's a it's a it's no.
One has to be United States today right now is
a fascist dictatorship. It's a dangerous fallacy. Did you see?
Pambon National Reviews said it's a macabre coincidence that this
film comes out so soon after the assassination of peaceable
conservative debater Charlie Kirk.

Speaker 2 (01:00:43):
Wow, wait a minute, So are they so are they
trying to imply that.

Speaker 1 (01:00:46):
This they're saying it romanticizes political assassination?

Speaker 2 (01:00:50):
See, but see what's crazy about that? I'm trying to
remember who, yeah, politically assassinated.

Speaker 1 (01:00:57):
The fascists who assassinate one of their own exactly.

Speaker 2 (01:01:01):
Yeah, So there's both. There's both that, and it's like,
so you're telling it's what you're trying to imply then,
because there's obviously this has been scheduled for a long time.
Are you trying to imply that this was something that
that Kirk's murder was it was an advertisement for the movie? Like,
what what are you trying to imply? That doesn't make sense?
The movie has been on the docket? What what? What
are we talking about?

Speaker 1 (01:01:24):
The Blaze here says when Dicaprios, when the perpetually sweaty DiCaprio,
what a shot, shouts Vivon while detonating bombs. You're meant
to cheer. And if you're not cheering, well, those bombs
are meant for you, Oh Jesus Christ.

Speaker 2 (01:01:39):
And this is this is what I mean about, genuinely speaking,
unless we get to a real problem. I really am
live and let live with people on their tailor or
or la boo boos or whatever, because again, there are

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so real horrific things happening to people in the world
and in this country right now, and then they want
to make a deal about this, and and and again,
if if you're getting offended by this movie, is my opinion,
then it sounds like you may or may not be
like because there are white national Christian white nationalists in
this movie in a secret society absolutely evil as ship

(01:02:23):
and pulling all sorts of strings to manipulate the country.
They're upset because they probably they put our secret society
the bitch we've known you had it. Okay, we're calling
your ship out.

Speaker 1 (01:02:33):
Stop it. I just love that they called it the
Christmas thing. That's a genius. Oh my god.

Speaker 2 (01:02:42):
Well, the only thing that would have been funnier is
if one of them have been bitching at some point,
yeah about it. They don't even say Merry Christmas anymore.
The Starbucks just like hit me with one of those,
and then that I would have been like, yeah, that
was about you. That was one thousand percent.

Speaker 1 (01:02:57):
On Christmas.

Speaker 2 (01:02:58):
Dam But I'll tell you what. I don't know if
you Alreay talked about this, you know the best line
in the movie.

Speaker 1 (01:03:03):
Right, go ahead, go ahead ahead. A Semen demon, Yemen demon.
That was amazing, amazing. So yeah, so finally it happened
in blah blah blah. Whatever they're trying to find. They
have to find new culture wars every single time they
have to. They need it. They've moved. They showed the
graph the other day, uh yesterday, how how quickly they've

(01:03:24):
moved on from talking about Charlie Kirk. How quickly the
graph went up for and then boom right back down again.
That's how much dedication they have to that situation.

Speaker 2 (01:03:33):
So they have to continue. They have to continue to
do that because what they refused to do is release
the Epstein files. Of course, if anything, you have Mike
Johnson running interference to not actually put the person that
was just in Arizona. Yes, like that would have been
the final vote needed to have the files then be
released to Congress. But Johnson will not call Congress back

(01:03:55):
in a session, even though he's done it in the
past when Republicans have gotten elected for month what her
back in. They are doing everything in their power to
try and distract from the fucking.

Speaker 1 (01:04:06):
One hundred percent. And I don't understand they're not aware
of the fact that they're doing this and protecting a pedophile,
like how do you look yourself in the mirror? And
that debacle of a hearing today with an Attorney General
who refuses to go, refuse to be answer any questions
on oversight at the Oversight Committee is utter nonsense. It

(01:04:26):
was a clown show. I can't believe there was an
Attorney general who would literally just take personal attacks instead
of answering them, and then claim to and then say
she's not going to reveal the content of conversations. It's
the Senate. It's not your job to tell the contents
of these conversations. So it's just it's this, this, this
has to be heading towards a train wreck at some point.

(01:04:46):
It cannot hold America cannot hold this much longer, I
don't think. Anyway, let's move on to some NFL stuff
and let's have some fun talkings of NFL stuff. Probably
wow about Trevor Lawrence and these Jaguar surprising the Chiefs
possibly the slow host winning touchdown I've ever seen in
my entire life, which Chris Jones agrees with. By the way,

(01:05:07):
what a surprising victory for them. Last night. We also
had the Patriots get a victory over the Bill, surprising
the Bills as well. In Buffalo. My commanders shocked the Chargers.
In La. The Allions beat the Bengals so badly that
the Bengals have now traded for Joe Flacco from the
Cleveland Browns. Baker Mayfield, your favorite quarterback, in essence, launched

(01:05:28):
another comeback and beat the Seahawks in an exciting game.
The Titans got their first win after Jonathan Gannon yelled
out his running back to Marcado, who he was then
fined one hundred thousand dollars today from the NFL for
his physical reaction to that running back. The Texans beat
the Ravens forty four to ten. The Ravens are dead

(01:05:49):
in the water. The Panthers got a victory. The Broncos
beat the Eagles in Philly, for God's sakes. The Cowboys
took care of business. The Saints beat the Giants. I
guess the Jackson Dart era is already over. And the
Colts Troy, the Raiders and the Vikings beat those Browns.
So your thoughts on that.

Speaker 2 (01:06:04):
You mentioned the Patriots also, and in the Bills undefeated season,
I mean one, it started off with a banger and
it was confusing. One. I did not expect that from
the Niners. And you have to give Sala so much credit,
and I think that was the thing that was really
being pushed in the Jets. But the Jets are dumpster

(01:06:25):
fire organization. Sorry if Pascal's in here. Sala clearly is good.
But Aaron Rodgers just became a little bit of a
cancer up there doing whatever and and then being backed
by what Woody Johnson's the one in charge of It's
just it's just not a good situation. I mean, good
on Tomlin and the Steelers not playing that ship. So Aaron,

(01:06:46):
if you're coming in, you're gonna need to shape up
a ship out bro So good on that. Dak is
without I'm trying not to sound hyperbolic here, and he's
they're gonna need to end with the winning season and
make the playoffs. But his looks like the front runner
for MVP right now in my opinion, just based off
of how the defense is absolute dog shit and he

(01:07:09):
is willing them to, if not win, get super goddamn close,
if not die, and he's playing he's like pound for
pound with the other quarterbacks that he's going up against.
I'm to give him credit for that.

Speaker 1 (01:07:22):
I think he may be even the best quarterback in
the NFL right now currently. I think so. Mahomes season, yeah, yeah,
Mahomes has not been up to snuff the last two games.
Is played well, first three he didn't. So Herbert is
coming back down to earth now that his oline is
trash because Joe Alt's injury and Rogers. No, Baker might
be the only person I would put in the same

(01:07:43):
category with Dak right now with the way they're playing quarterback.

Speaker 2 (01:07:47):
The only thing I will say towards the Buccaneers.

Speaker 1 (01:07:49):
Jones got helpless go ahead.

Speaker 2 (01:07:51):
Yeah, no, no, no, for sure, the only thing I'll say
towards the Buccaneers. But that just again goes to show
Baker Mayfield is just that dude at this point. Yeah,
all of those wins are dangerously close to like the
Eagles where they're a little too close. Yes, one time
you went up against another team. Now, mind you, I'm
sure the Cowboys would love to take back those two losses.
So it is what it is. But like, while Baker

(01:08:13):
is bawling out at the end, he isn't necessarily like
going off in the beginning and all the way through
it's like we gotta go, we gotta go. And I'm
also very curious, like he's making insane plays, but I'm
also curious how much of that is also uh Muka,
who is clear the front runner for Rookie of the
Year with some of the shit he's doing, I'm like,
are you you lose Mike Evans and already like this

(01:08:37):
dude is just nuts.

Speaker 1 (01:08:39):
Right into the hole. It's amazing.

Speaker 2 (01:08:41):
Yeah, And like Daniel Jones is doing fine, but I
stand by what I said. Jonathan Taylor is just insane.
And truthfully, when you have a running back that good,
Daniel Jones shines. He did that with Saquon when Saquon
was healthy. The year Saquon got injured, Daniel Jones kind
of became bad. So I still give him credit for

(01:09:02):
what he's done this season, right, But I stand by
even though Javonte Williams has been good where Deck gets
like the little bump up. In my opinion, you lost
CD after like what week two or three or whatever,
and you've been doing this like yes with Pickens, but
you spread that ball to every Kamanti Turpin. Kamanti Turpin
looks like a star Fergusons looked like the stars floor Noid,

(01:09:24):
who was like the fifth wide receiver, had like a
hundred and titty last weekend. Like he is making everybody
on that offense look insanely good. But I have a
question for you. Yeah, who do you think two questions,
Who do you think is actually got more exposed here?
The Eagles or the Bills is the first question.

Speaker 1 (01:09:46):
Oh Uh, I would say the Bills because the Eagles
were already questionable with some of those victories they were
uh they had this season at the Tampa Bay one,
there was already questions around the Eagles. So I wasn't
surprised the Broncos got the victory because Sean Taylor's a

(01:10:07):
goddamn good coach, and I think Knicks is sorry Sean Payton, Sorry, Shan,
Sean Payton is a god damn good coach.

Speaker 2 (01:10:14):
I think.

Speaker 1 (01:10:16):
Nicks I've always said this from the beginning. I think
bon Nicks has the potential to be to win a
Super Bowl, and so I'm not surprised that they got
the job done. And that defense has always been strong.
So Philadelphia finally got caught. I think the AJ Brown
stuff didn't help, and so I think it was they
caught them on the right week. And what happened the
Bill stuff, though, that was shocking to me because the
last thing you want to do is lose to the

(01:10:38):
fucking Patriots again. Give that kid more confidence in himself
and lose at home, and these that loss evokes so
many losses that the Bills have had through numerous seasons
with Josh Allen, including the Kansas City Chiefs playoffs loss like,
how do you lose at home to a team like
this who is less talented than you are? Why does

(01:10:59):
this happen every fucking season? And so to me, I
think there's the Bills should be very afraid about what happened.
And I don't know if it was over confidence or
that they legitimately got beat up and played off that
field that's scary.

Speaker 2 (01:11:13):
I think it's less overconfidence. I think that Diggs really
did make it personal.

Speaker 1 (01:11:19):
Yes he did.

Speaker 2 (01:11:20):
Ten receptions were one forty six and in insane catches.
But I also think that I think the one thing
to remember is allion division games or trap games, because
there's no team that knows you better in the league
other than the other two teams in your division than
the person you're playing. And I think the Patriots have
always played the Bills hard. So I am inclined to

(01:11:44):
agree with you because did the Bills maybe have a
few problems, Sure, but they looked much stronger in my
opinions than the Eagles, just because I thought that the
Eagles were doing something similar they did a couple of
years ago. Were like, sure, you win like a ten
and one, like yeah, win stream or with ten and
one run, but then you lost like four games in

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a row, including your first playoff game at the end
of it. Same thing happened with the Chiefs in the
Super Bowl. You kept barely winning these games and then
when a real team that was ready to whoop your ass,
the Eagles whooped your ass. So it was one of
those things that with the Eagles, I have been sounding
the alarm again, not as a hater, but in that
if the point is for them to thrive, you have
got So I agree with what Saquon said in his post.

(01:12:27):
He said, this is good now because this actually gave
us adversity to deal with, and that's going to allow
us to go back to the drawing board and figure
all that out. So I honestly think this, of all
the things, if you put a little fear in the Bills,
but actually made the Eagles stronger. Like I almost wish
this Eagles loss had happened later in the season so

(01:12:48):
that they were kind of filling themselves on shaky on
a shaky foundation or whatever, versus this happened Week five.
So you can, Okay, great, let's tweak some shit, and
then unfortunately by week nine and they're gonna probably look
like world beaters again.

Speaker 1 (01:13:01):
And it's gonna be awful. I know, goddamn, it's gonna
be awful.

Speaker 2 (01:13:04):
Now, my second question, real quick, who do you actually
think is going like both trajectory now and overall? Who
do you think is actually gonna end up being the
better quarterback between Denver's bow Knicks and Drake New England
Is Drake May?

Speaker 1 (01:13:18):
Oh? I think Drake May. I. I think there's less
holes in Drake May's game. And I think that throw
he threw before he was about to get tackled with
the stiff armbro I was that's the throw of a champion.
And to me, having seen what forty years of football

(01:13:39):
or yeah somewhere on there, like I know when the
great ones pull moves off like that, you know what
that means. This guy has a never say die attitude.
And all the pundits you see when they talk about Drake,
all the quarterback pundits, they all talk about his technique
and he's already even last year when he wasn't that's wrong.

(01:14:00):
The foundation was there of what his instincts are naturally,
So I think Drake how of this. I think Bo's
gonna win a Super Bowl. I think Drake's gonna win
more Super Bowls. And I think everybody in the AFC
should should be scared out of their motherfucking minds, especially
the Bills, because it may be the Patriots all over again.

(01:14:21):
Good luck And if you know Belichick was an asshole coach,
let me introduce you to Mike Vrabel, So good luck.

Speaker 2 (01:14:27):
Yeah. I think that Drake is the stronger of the two.
It doesn't mean that I don't think Bo couldn't catch him,
Oh totally. They feel like the most like Brady Manning
kind of rivalry situation as far as that goes. Where
they were good enough to start out. Obviously, Brady's was

(01:14:47):
different because Didn'ty go to the championship like his first
year that he got the start away from. Yeah, replaced
Bled soe. Yeah, they went to the super Bowl, they
won the system. But to that point, like Brady was good,
but Brady got better over time. I think it's the
same thing. We're seeing both of them kind of start
to mature. I think Bo is two like this, which
is a lot of what Peyton was early on. Yeah,

(01:15:09):
and then Drake has kind of been like but he
has really been kind of consistently doing this. Yeah, so
if Bo levels out, then we'll we'll see what happens.
But I think that Drake probably has the higher ceiling
and Bo had probably the higher floor.

Speaker 1 (01:15:25):
If that makes yeah, well, let me turn. Let me
ask you a question before we wrap get to the questions,
and we wrap up last season.

Speaker 2 (01:15:33):
I quote Winston A.

Speaker 1 (01:15:34):
Marshall, Trevor Lawrence is a bust. Where are you now
at four and one having beaten the Chiefs and scored
the winning touchdown out of a desire to win the game.
Where do you assess Trevor Lawrence? Has the coaching change
made the difference? Are we now seeing a great Trevor Lawrence?

(01:15:55):
All the potential starting to get realized? On?

Speaker 2 (01:16:00):
I mean, I mean, just just off off rip right away.
In yards this season, he is fourteenth, okay, in touchdowns
right now, he is nineteenth, nineteenth in interceptions. He is
at the top of the pack with five. The only

(01:16:23):
people ahead of him Gino Smith as nine. Jake Browning
has eight, Which is crazy that you didn't even play
a game and a half and you are here. Flacco,
who is now a Bengal at six, and then Trevor
sitting right there at five. His QBR as far as
all that goes with Trevor is at forty nine at

(01:16:46):
twenty first. So no, I have not changed my ways,
but I will give the team credit. I think there
is some, no, none of all. I'm serious, Like you
got something is in the water in Jacksonville where they're
kind of filling themselves a little bit. I think that
the AFC is actually significantly weaker than we thought they
would be. Everybody kept thinking, the general consensus felt like

(01:17:11):
the best quarterback play was coming out of the AFC,
but some of the stronger overall teams were coming out
of the NFC. I'm actually finding it to be kind
of a flip. Now, some of the best quarterback play
Dak Prescott, Jared Goff, Jordan Love, Baker Mayfield, Matthew Stafford,

(01:17:31):
Sam Darnold, that's all the NFC. You only have Josh
Allen who has been genuinely consistent. Pat He's been like this,
It has been like this. CJ's been like this. Daniel Jones. Sure,
but I still stand by Jonathan Taylor and that whole
squad are really doing something like their defense. They have
a lot of takeaways in Midianapolis. So like the Jacksonville

(01:17:53):
Jackgars as a team is whooping ass, the Cults as
a team is whooping ass like you know the Bills.
That's Josh Allen will in that. The Broncos as a
team is whooping ass. Like that is where I'm kind
of seeing that shift. So no, I don't I have
I'm not gonna. I won't call them a bust, but
I'm not like, oh wow, I was completely I'm like,

(01:18:16):
we'll see, okay.

Speaker 1 (01:18:17):
Yeah, because they've got a pretty soft schedule the rest
of the way. They got the Seahawks next, which should
be a good banger of a game, I think, But
then it's the Rams. So those two games back to back,
I think we'll give us a good idea of where
the Seahawks over the Jaguars are apt by the end
of those two games. Then they have the Raiders, the Texans,
the Chargers, the Cardinals, the Titans, the Colts, the Jets,
the Broncos, the Colts again, and the Titans. So there,

(01:18:39):
I think they make the playoffs. I think maybe eleven
and six is very possible. Maybe even twelve and five
is very possible for this Jaguars team. So I see
a lot of positives, but we.

Speaker 2 (01:18:50):
Absolutely the score there. The route to the playoffs too,
is a is a big part of it. Yes, Like
you said, that schedule pretty cupcake. Like you said, the Rams,
the Colts, the Broncos, those seem like the only three
actual challenges they have left. Yeah, everything else you really

(01:19:11):
the Seahawks too. Next week against the Seahawks because this
runs some grit, it's gonna be it's gonna be a
close game. But there's no reason that they can't run,
potentially run the tape. They could not lose another game.
It's not gonna happen. No, they could potentially not lose
another game because of how relatively easy their schedule is.

Speaker 1 (01:19:30):
Yeah, all the teams that all the teams they're playing
have shown weaknesses and holes, the Rams even so, Yeah,
I think it's very possible.

Speaker 2 (01:19:40):
Damn the race. I was not expecting that, Bro, which
one the Ravens.

Speaker 1 (01:19:43):
Oh yeah, that's done. They're seasons, so forget it. That
is so sad, bro Mar shouldn't even come back. To
be honest with you, I would sit out the whole season.
I would I wouldn't even play with the point you're
just asking to get injured. But that shitty ole line
and that shitty defense, it's going to run you into
the ground.

Speaker 2 (01:19:59):
The only thought I could think of, because he's a
baller like that. I mean, I'm looking at their schedule
and what they got left. The Bears, they're on the move,
but they're not there yet. The Dolphins, the Vikings depends
on quarterback play. Uh, you can handle. You can handle
the Browns, the Jets, the Bengals twice, the Steelers twice,

(01:20:23):
the Patriots. It's a it's a relatively rough schedule, yes,
but imagine if Lamar comes back and they just start
whooping ass defense. I know, but like, there ain't no
way knowing him unless this is a real serious ass injury.
You're playing for legacy right now, and you'd be playing

(01:20:43):
for hardball's job as well, because this feels like this
might be it for the hallbar era in in Baltimore.

Speaker 1 (01:20:50):
Yea, even if I think even if they make the playoffs,
even if they make Yeah, all right, let's give us
some questions once because we have limited times, so do this.
Dennis Hoffman says enjoyed smash Sine, especially DJ and blunt,
but it's missing the tension of good times and uncut gems.
This feels more like an indictment at eight twenty four
and Benny Safti, Yeah, well, I mean the fact that

(01:21:11):
there's not the other Safti brother, I think is an
element of this. And if his movie comes out, Marty
Supreme and is like amazing, and I mean the irony
could be that Chalomey is the one that gets nominated
and wins the Oscar over the over the Rock. I
think it could be interesting, interesting Christmas dinners with those guys. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:21:32):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (01:21:32):
Darren Wright says, I watched John Candy's Delirious this week
most I've laughed in years. Yeah, that's a good film.
That documentary think comes out this week. John really knock
on Prime. I think so. Yeah. Dennis Hoffman back again,
says I'm what director, what director would you like to
see the Rock work with next? Maybe a crime drama
with Mangold or with Coogler or on something original cooler.

Speaker 2 (01:21:55):
I love that that, right, dope, that would be that
would be super super what what what kind of role
do you put him in? Because I it's still that's
totally fine. You were like a perfect fit for the
Smashing Machine. I would love to see him outside of
something fighting based.

Speaker 1 (01:22:11):
You know, when the you know, when the people became
fans of the Rock, when he became a heal and
I think if you do like a Scarface type movie
with the Rock in the lead, directed by Ryan Kugler,
I think that could be really interesting where he's got
these elements that you like about it, but he's a
villain and so you have like you have a question

(01:22:34):
with yourself as you're watching the movie. I like him,
but he's doing these things. I think that could be
really interesting, maybe like a nineties or seventies era type movie.

Speaker 2 (01:22:42):
You know, yeah, yeah, yeah, he's good, but yeah no,
I I I totally get that shit.

Speaker 1 (01:22:51):
Yeah, I like that at Coogler. I like that idea.
I think Coogler would do it too.

Speaker 2 (01:22:57):
Yeah, I think he would.

Speaker 1 (01:22:58):
I think it would A fourteen says the right crying
about one battle reminds me of their complaints about them
realizing the boys was making fun of Hope you just
caught up, Tue. That's funny. I can't believe how topical
that film is, Like it feels like he shot it yesterday.

Speaker 2 (01:23:16):
One days it's always it's funny, and it's a reminder
that art and especially movies really is holding up a
mirror to society. And so the fact that you were
even mentioning any of that, it just goes to show
how long this stuff kind of stays. We have the
twenty four hour news cycle, but how things and how

(01:23:37):
they play out kind of take years to get out
of that space. And so it really is kind of
ringing true at this particular moment because I'm so curious
when production started on this movie, like if it was
way before last year's election or not?

Speaker 1 (01:23:55):
Good question, Good question, Tristan Tristan Amams says, what any
actual fuck was that ending to smashing machine Mark Kerr
smiling and waving at the camera. My entire audience was crying, laughing,
like it was the room. The movie honestly did have
other elements of the room throughout. If I'm being honest,
I have a hard time believing that your entire audience
was crying and laughing at that ending. But it was

(01:24:18):
an unusual choice to show the real Marker and what
ended up happening to him as a shout out to
what happened to a lot of the pioneers of MMA
who never got to enjoy the riches like Connor McGregor
does now. So to me, I thought it was a
point in ending to show like this was a man

(01:24:38):
who scaled the heights too early to achieve financial security
and is now just shopping at the Trader Joe's in
order to get food defeat himself when he gets old. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:24:50):
Yeah, it was an interesting ending. But that's why I
stand by. Like I said, I'm not looking at that
movie because like, damn, what a movie. I'm looking at
that movie because, like I am, what a performance from the.

Speaker 1 (01:25:02):
Two leads agreed. Yeah, Anonymous says the US is headed
for martial law and a civil war, not fiction, but
the real thing. Well, I've been saying since twenty fifteen
that we were headed to a civil war. I knew
he was going to lead us to a civil war.
But I think what I'm encouraged by is seeing the

(01:25:23):
numbers of the people in the United States, including Republicans,
who do not like what he's doing with the National
Guard invading cities, people's sovereign states. So the fact that
there's seventy percent disapproval rating of that lets me know
that people are still out there who will want to
fight back against that kind of stuff. And so I

(01:25:44):
hope you don't end up in a civil war, but
martial law, I think that's very possible. It just depends
on how we fight back against that.

Speaker 2 (01:25:51):
Yeah, I'm not loving what I'm seeing in Portland. And again,
it's the thing that sucks about it is it's not
none of the stuff that's being reported on like that
is actually happening. It's all bullshit. And when you see
the videos of it, it is agitators coming out of nowhere,
right trying to dress up like because God, what did
I just watch? Was it one battle after.

Speaker 1 (01:26:13):
Battle and we send the guy in to throw them
in cocktail?

Speaker 2 (01:26:16):
Yep? Yep. I was like, what did I just And
I was like, Yep, that's exactly what it was.

Speaker 1 (01:26:20):
That's the thing. Every time you hear the right making
acisition of the left, it is projection because they're doing it.
When they talk about election interference, they're the ones that
have been doing it. Look at the cases that it's
overwhelming number of Republicans who have been caught with election interference.
When they talk about political violence, it's the right. That's
why they buried that study because they know it shows
that it's predominantly the right. This is the thing you

(01:26:42):
have to look at. I'm not saying you have to
condemn the right, hate the right. No, I'm saying you
have to kind of come to Jesus moment and make
changes here. But they don't want to do that because
they like the feeling of power and bullying the public
and it is frustrating to see it over and over again.
And unfortunately, because they're in all position of power in
all branches of the government right now, there can't be

(01:27:03):
a strong enough pushback to stop them doing what they're
doing other than the Supreme Court, and even that they're
ignoring if they feel like, yep, scary. Samuel says, Hey, y'all,
I've seen one Battle after on the twice and I
think it's an amazing film. Do you think it's ranked
up there in the top three best films of the
year along with Sinners? Also? Has Winston seen it very much?

Speaker 2 (01:27:22):
I've seen it very much, enjoyed it. Let me open
up my list for the year and see, because I
believe I said it was number five for me, but
let me double check because I do need to go
back and reassess. Here, I'll say this while he looks.

Speaker 1 (01:27:43):
It's in my top three, battling for the number one
spot with Sinners. I also have warfare in there, and
I have weapons sitting right on the outside. So those
are the four that are in contention for the top
three slots for me.

Speaker 2 (01:28:00):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, no, I think I think it probably
is in my Yeah, it's made my my top four
for sure. And I will and I will ultimately see
all of my favorites a second time, either in theaters
or on streaming, and and I'll make my decision. I

(01:28:21):
have a strong feeling it may end up being number
two behind Centers.

Speaker 1 (01:28:25):
Yeah, fantastic, says Hey, Tequila spillers, what's up, Fred? Show
him my love for the show. Thank you.

Speaker 2 (01:28:31):
Fred.

Speaker 1 (01:28:31):
Emily is the Joe Montana of the lead actress community
because they both had excellent chemistry with different people opposite them. Wow, okay,
all right, Joe. I like that.

Speaker 2 (01:28:43):
That's that's it. I like that choice.

Speaker 1 (01:28:45):
Yeah. Anonymas says, there's no shame anymore, only selling out. Well,
there's no selling out either. That concept is dead. People.
They don't the new generations don't care about selling out
and it doesn't exist anymore, so only for us who are.

Speaker 2 (01:29:03):
Selling out. Is just a way of life at this point.

Speaker 1 (01:29:05):
Yes it is. It's a way to make money. Man.

Speaker 2 (01:29:07):
I wouldn't even I wouldn't even say that the older
generation doesn't. I mean again, snoop, like you know what
I'm saying, that's like that that straight up to do that,
I quit smoke, Like you know what I'm saying, everybody,
I've seen you gotta you have to really stay in
on some some heavy business to not do all that
one way or the other. Because I because because I'll

(01:29:29):
even take it a step further, the whole the we
didn't really talk about, but the Riot festival over and yeah, man,
that that then speaks to all of these older like
legendary comedians that said yes to it. And it's like,
as David Cross said, it was like, bro, you already
got boats and houses, Like what else do you need here?

Speaker 1 (01:29:48):
Now.

Speaker 2 (01:29:48):
I've there's been a lot of like kind of back
and forth on Ship and it's been interesting at least
to hear some of what's been said about like there
is a desire to try and change the culture. That
so there's that and the fact that you had a
I give credit. I still don't think it was correct.
I still think it was wrong, but you had I

(01:30:09):
don't remember the name of the comedian, but she is
a lesbian. And then she performed and she was able
to do her full set without any issues and stuff
like that, and I give her credit that she donated
all the money she made to it. I can't remember
which organization.

Speaker 1 (01:30:23):
I can't give her credit until I see the receipt.
I want to see the receipt. And people say that
stuff and then you never follow Nobody ever follows up.
I would like to follow up, but I hear you.
I hear you. I think it's a good gesture if
she did it, for sure. Doug develop says, you think
it gets into Allan's head that he has lost four
straight times to Mahomes in the playoffs and that affects
his play come postseason. Won't shock me if Mahomes wins

(01:30:46):
even in Buffalo in January.

Speaker 2 (01:30:48):
Bro, I think at a thousand being, I own you
shit that like Aarons just say about the Bears. I
do think that type of shit. These legendary stories kick
into your head like yes, you can just feel obliterated
by things. It's like the Cowboys in the playoffs. It
seems like every time just win all.

Speaker 3 (01:31:09):
Playoff game, you haven't been to those that you haven't
even to the NFC Championship game in thirty years, and
so like you just get all of a sudden, Jesus,
there's no way at this point, after four losses that it's.

Speaker 2 (01:31:22):
Not in there somewhere. Yeah, I think he's got a
hope at a certain point somebody else beats the Chiefs
before he has to.

Speaker 1 (01:31:29):
Yeah, I think, yeah, like Peyton, he's got a break.
It wasn't until Peyton could finally beat Brady and win
that Super Bowl that people gave Peyton the flowers he
deserves due. And I think Josh is gonna have to
do it. And Josh should want to beat the Chiefs.
Like if Josh is playing so it doesn't have to
play the Chiefs, that's insane. You should beat your rival

(01:31:50):
to get to the title. It'll be that much sweeter, trust.

Speaker 2 (01:31:53):
Me, No, I get it, Doug. I will say this.
I hear Josh Allen doesn't play defense. I have said
that about Tom and Dak Prescott for years, and apparently
that wasn't an excuse. So either we apply it to all,
we apply it to none.

Speaker 1 (01:32:08):
Doug Developer says random sports pet peeve. I hate it
when goats aren't loyal to the teams they play for.
MJ owns the Hornets, Brady wears Raiders gear. Larry Bird
as a consultant for the Pacers. At least John Riggins
does weekly spots on Commander's radio. Oh yeah, but remember
Riggins was a jet first.

Speaker 2 (01:32:26):
He was a New York Jet.

Speaker 1 (01:32:28):
Now he did become a redskin and win the Super Bowls,
but he was a once a rule, I guess because
except he was a freaking jet first. So you could
argue he's not loyal even to his own team if
he went with the Jets. Thick, But I I both
get and I both agree and don't agree with that.

(01:32:51):
Dirk has been super loyal.

Speaker 2 (01:32:53):
To the MAVs. Yes, everything that went down with the
with Luca, he is still loyal to the city and
to the team. But he's taken a step back. He's
he's really taking a step back from the organization because
Nico Harrison has made it an unpleasant place for people
that do that shit. Also, I I have more issue

(01:33:13):
with that when it feels like they're shitting on the
team that they're from, because all the things we mentioned
sound like business opportunities, And I'm not why wouldn't I.
If I can go own an NBA team, why wouldn't
I do it? I'm whatever, First of all, that the
Bulls owners are not gonna sell the Bulls, but like,
if I can go own an NBA team, why wouldn't
I do it? If I can go own part of

(01:33:33):
an NFL team, why wouldn't I do it? The Raiders
are the ones that offered it to Brady, like Craft
isn't gonna offer him a piece of the Patriots. So
I don't necessarily agree with that. I have a problem
with like Richard Truman shitting on the Seahawks and like
he was like, I'm pro not his baby, like the
Bank nine a gang I ain't talking to, and I'm
like that, I didn't love that. That seems gross. But
like Marshaun went to like three or four different teams

(01:33:54):
but still reps the Hawks, says like his mainstay. You
know what I'm saying, So I don't. I don't know.
I'm not y.

Speaker 1 (01:33:59):
I think what you're saying is correct, Like there's no
opportunity for Brady to have bought a percentage of the Patriots,
then why should he sit out and not reap the
benefits of buying a percentage of a sports team, because
that's an investment. If he can do that with the
Raiders stuff and Larry Bird, the console for the Pacers

(01:34:19):
makes all the sense of work because Larry Bird is
from Indiana, so the Indiana Pacers are the team of
the States, and so he is actually being og in
his dedication to the Pacers because that's where he's from. Yes,
he got he achieved his greatness from Boston, but he
couldn't control who drafted him. So his loyalty to the
team is has a limit. And look at how they

(01:34:41):
treated Bill Russell. Should Bill Russell have just like stayed
with the Celtics and Boston with how the how much
racism he endured? No, he went someplace else and so eventually,
so you know an MJ with the Hornets. Yeah, it's
business stuff, I'd say. Uh Ri, a papermaster says Hanika,
dinner is roka the saft there Jewish? Oh sorry, yeah,
well I know they're Jewish, I but I don't. I

(01:35:03):
but I have a number of Jewish friends who celebrate Christmas.

Speaker 2 (01:35:06):
So I never know my brother, my brother in law,
his family is Jewish and they would celebrate Christmas, and
mainly from the standpoint of like not wanting to be
left out, because like they were from a small town
in Texas, so both an idea of like not wanting
to be left out, but also the small town in
Texas that they're from, right, wasn't always the kindest, so

(01:35:28):
it's also to kind of to like fit in. But
but you know, it happens one way or the other.

Speaker 1 (01:35:34):
People doing a Jewish boy what Texas Kingsmoorkhouse is on
a lighter y'all see in tront Ari's Listen. I was
supposed to go tonight, but the reviews have been so
horrific that I am not going to sit in a
crowded theater and watch that movie. I will wait till
Thursday go. And I have not seen roof Man yet.

(01:35:57):
They didn't give me a screening for that this week.

Speaker 2 (01:35:59):
I would screen. It was on screen unseen, so that's
all yesterday. I just haven't uploaded it because I didn't
want to do it during the show and show up
script the internet. Oh everybody, you can check out. I'll
do my plug later, but you can check out my
odd of the theater reaction for Roofman, probably within like
the next thirty minutes when it's.

Speaker 1 (01:36:14):
Nice, nice, nice. Yeah. No, I didn't see that, but
I will probably. Yeah, I'll probably see it Thursday. I
think I might treat myself tomorrow and drive up to
Irvine and see one battle for the fifth time in
seventy milimeter. So I want to treat myself because I
for you, it gets are wide open, like there's nobody

(01:36:34):
in the theater. I checked it just an hour ago
and or a little bit forward and started the show,
and I'm like, oh, this is great. I can drive
up for an hour and a half. I love that
for you. Yeah, I'm doing it. I'm gonna do it.
I gotta get out the house. I'm gonna do it.

Speaker 2 (01:36:48):
I gotta go.

Speaker 1 (01:36:50):
Ladies had COVID for six days. I've been kind of
stuck here making sure she's okay.

Speaker 2 (01:36:55):
Oh damn, yeah it was this. This variant was rough.

Speaker 1 (01:36:59):
Oh yeah, she is struggle of e Yeah. She was like,
can you take this out of me?

Speaker 2 (01:37:03):
Tell put leeches on me.

Speaker 1 (01:37:05):
I'm like, babies, you gotta take time all right, that's everything. Listen,
we gotta get you out here, I know in a
limited time. So anything you want to plug, anything you
want to promote another fun show. Brother. Always love to
see you. Please let people know. Thank you.

Speaker 2 (01:37:18):
Go and check out my channel YouTube dot com Slash
the Swaggy Blurred Blurred Breakdowns on Monday six pm Pacific.
Talked about a lot of good stuff this week. In particular,
like I'd mentioned on there, I also do reviews out
of the theater reactions whatnot. I've been covering Peacemaker again
the one battle after and I'm sorry. The Roofman Out
of the Theater reaction will be up here in about

(01:37:38):
thirty minutes. I just gotta wait for it to upload.

Speaker 1 (01:37:42):
What else.

Speaker 2 (01:37:43):
Blurds in the Hood tomorrow YouTube dot com Slastlirts in
the Hood myself and Jay Washington. We are back six
pm on Wednesdays. We've been doing the Demon Slayer reactions
myself and Christian Harlof on the Christian Harlov channel and
Capes and Cols on Fridays myself, Christian and Chris Carr.
So check all of that out. Other I've got kind

(01:38:03):
of a crazy, crazy weeks. Last weekend so other than blurds,
it's out of the theater and capes and cows.

Speaker 1 (01:38:10):
That'll well.

Speaker 2 (01:38:11):
Demon Slayer is already recorded. We record that record that today.
Those are the only two live things I kind of
have left the rest of it. I mean, I want
to do a Peacemaker season finale review, but I may
not get time to do that this week, so it
may come late. But you know, all that being said,
much love, please check all that out and I'll see

(01:38:31):
y'all soon.

Speaker 1 (01:38:32):
There you go. I love the Chambie, says Roca. Watching
the same version movie five times already, not even a
different cover of different ending or different versions.

Speaker 2 (01:38:39):
That's where that a list kicks in.

Speaker 1 (01:38:41):
But I can afford it, yeah, exactly, it's part of
the exactly, yeah exactly.

Speaker 2 (01:38:45):
It ain't coming off anohing but time exactly.

Speaker 1 (01:38:47):
As for me, please follow down below, subscribe down below,
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(01:39:09):
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