‘Ahsoka’ Season 1 Is HERE! Season 2 Pending?

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What up, folks, and welcomeback to the khyber Culture episode one twenty
three with myself, Joeln's Skull andGrand Admiral Johnson. We're back after a
little summer hiatus, and today we'rechatting the latest Star Wars show to hit
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quite a bit of gets you today, but brief catch up Aaron, what's
going on, and quite quite alot. Number one. It's great to
be back talking about a show thatwe've been looking forward to a long time.
I know we talked about it alot in the when we talked about
Star Wars celebration. Yeah. Otherthan that, looking to move out in

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the next couple of weeks, gettingthe spot with one of my buddies that
I work with, and then oneof my long term friends, Derek,
looking to move in somewhere October first, So all that's gonna be a nice
change. Definitely, I'm gonna missliving here my sister's place, but I
gotta get my own spot eventually,and I'm also starting a new job.
Long story short. The clinic withinthe Pet Rescue that I was working out

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previously for six years, the ownerdecided to shut it down because she was
going broke. I had a feelingthat was coming at some point when I
knew how much money she was pouringinto into the entire organization. So I
was really unfortunate. We had agreat team, really good things. Going
to see it fall apart was reallysad, but at the same time,

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I was pretty glad to get outof their change of management. Change of
pace. I'm gonna be starting atan emergency hospital, veterinary emergency hospital.
Outside of that's been playing a lotof the Counterstrike two Beta. Have not
been playing World Warcraft that much.I quit the Raid team just because of
work situation, all that kind ofstuff. What else have I been playing

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a little bit illegal legends here andthere, played a Risk of Rain.
I don't know if anybody knows whatthat is, but it's pretty fun.
Just preparing for the move. Oh. I finished the Darth Baine trilogy,
which is really really good. Ithink the first two books are fantastic.
The third book is this kind ofa weird ending. If you know anything

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about like the chronology of like theSith line, you kind of already know
what happens to Darth Bayne. SoI don't know. Maybe I just my
expectations were unrealistic, I guess,But it's dar Darth Bain. Is that
like Old Republic or what see?I was confused about the timeline at first
two, So Darth Baine is it'sit's during the Brotherhood of the Sith and
it's three thousand years after Reven Malicknihilis that whole Yeah, So Darth Baine,

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those previous Sith that I mentioned areancient Sith, like, that's how
long it is between Wait, soI say like high Republic then or like
Republic. There's not a lot ofindicators within it that tell you the time
frame other than when Darth Bain's speakingabout like the ancient Sith Lord and like
Holocrons and all that stuff. It'sgreat series. I mean, if you

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are interested in Sith law and likereally powerful Sith and kind of learned learning
how the rule of two, definitelyrecommend him. If so with the rule
with the rule of two, ishe the apprentice or is he the like,
oh, he's the master. He'sa master, So who's his apprentice
master? It's somebody that I've neverheard before. He actually has two throughout

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the series. The first one's nameis Zanna, I believe, and then
I forgot the name of the secondone at the end of the series.
But they're there. People, theircharacters I've never heard of before. Darth
Baine is fucking sick, dude.If you think about like the Sith Code,
like he's fucking nuts. The Brotherhoodof the Sith is basically like everyone

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was equal, and Baine turned thatinto no, there should always be one
master to embody the Sith and anapprentice to crave that power. Is kind
of how he says it. It'spretty short, though, I mean,
the whole trilogy compared to some ofthe throng trilogies is it's relatively short pretty
much for me. What about you, man, that's sick, that's sick.

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Yeah, I know Darth beIN.I've only seen like, you know,
pictures of him online. I could, I could try to get into
that. I'm curious about when itactually takes place, just because like I
was like, like, what ifhe's like in the Acolyte show somehow,
that'd be nice. So let methrow this out there, and I think
this is really weird. The Chancellorof the Republic at the times name is

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Chancellor Vlorum. There's no way thisis like the time period right before Palpatine
comes to power. The chancellor's namebefore Palatine was Chancellor Valorum. But but
I'm wondering if it's a different Valorum. Maybe it's the same family line,
but it's a different yet to lookthat up. That's what made me really
confused about the timeline was when theythrew that name out there. Unless it
was a flashback, it could havebeen a flashback or flash forward. I

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don't know if there's any like upcomingStar Wars project that I'm like most anticipating,
it's probably that one, just becauselike it takes place outside of the
you know, the Skywalker saga andseems like dark Side focused. Sounds like
it's gonna be dark Side focused,so we'll see how that goes. But
but anyways, new stuff on myend, not too much. Still just

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working a bunch. I'm prepping fora move as well. I'm probably gonna
move to New York City. BigApple Joe is coming in hot. I
interviewed for a couple of jobs inNew York City. They're like they're gonna
be like job promotions. Interviewed forthose this past week, So hopefully those
pan out because living in New Yorkis fucking expensive, so more money would

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definitely be nice. It's gonna beit's gonna be fun. Still watching tunnel
movies. Well, moving back toclaremontin moving to New York, New York
just because I've been I've been watchinglike so much food stuff from New York,
like food tours and just like thebest burgers in New York, the
best pizza in New York. AndI'm just like, I'm so fucking jealous.

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Yeah, man, when when youeventually visit, we're definitely going to
go for some good ass food andsome good ass pizza. Go for some
pizza, go for some bagels,go for some Italian food, some cheesecake,
some New York cheesecake. I heargood cheesecake. Yeah, so it's
gonna beat a good time. I'mlooking forward to it, watching some good
movies, anything that pops into mymind, like I think it's been long,

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Like I don't think across the SpiderVerse had come out the last time
we potted. Yeah, but that'stoo you watched it. Yeah, it's
it's definitely not. Yeah, it'smy favorite movie of the year, so
that's really good. Of course Idid the Barbenheimer thing and both of those
are really good. And yeah,I'll just leave it there for movies.

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But as far as video games areconcerned, Spider Man two comes out,
I think or Insomniacs. Spider Mantwo comes out October twentieth, so I
just replayed, like I did SpiderMan Remastered. I have it on PS
five, replayed the Miles Morales game. I think when the Miles Morales game
came out, I was pretty harshon it, mostly because it was a

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full price game for like like twentyhours of gameplay. I'm sure I've talked
about this on this pot before.Like once I replayed it, I was
like, damn, playing his Milesas fun as fuck, Like even though
the game is like it's only liketwenty hours of story or whatever, like
it's it's fairly short. It's likea glorified DLC is what I'll call it.
But Miles is the gameplay is justit's off the charts. It's so
great. It's it's so much funto play as like it's more fun to

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play as Miles than it is toplay as Peter. But I think they're
going to revamp that in in SpiderMan two, just because like Peter,
like you know, he gets thesymbio, you get to play as like
as like Venom or like you know, in his Venom suit or whatever.
So I'll see how that goes,didn't she used to be a Mortal Kombat
fan. I would still say I'ma Mortal Kombat fan because I'm watching all

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the stuff for Mortal Kombat one andit looks crazy too. Yeah, no,
it that looks pretty nuts too.I'll probably buy it because I'm actually
like interested in like some of thestories. Like even though the gameplays,
it's always been the same, likeever since the very first combats, just
like the side to side and likefighting you know, health bars up top
or whatever. But no, it'sit's always just exciting. It's always fun

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to just like get like a groupof like like ten people while everyone plays
each other, you know, likeit's just rotated in and out. Yeah.
Yeah, yeah, it's always agood time. It's it's like a
classic, you know. Yeah.Some of some of the finalities or the
fatality Sorry, they look ridiculous.It's so ridiculous, dude. Yeah,
Like I actually kind of like cringeat them, not like in a bad

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way, Like I'm like, ohmy god, it's like, how do
you come up with this? Watch? How do you do this? Who?
Who comes up with this stuff?And what's wrong with you? Yeah,
you're a sick individual. It's greatgames. That makes great games.
Moral Kombat one. I'll probably waiton purchasing it just because the funds are

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a little tight at the moment.But that's pretty much it. I don't
know. I don't think it's aI heard it's not available on PS five.
Is it available on all platforms?No, I think it's only Game
Pass and Xbox and PC. Damn, that's weird. I forgot about that.
Yeah. No, there was someweird buyout. I don't I don't

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remember the story behind it, butit was supposed to be I think it
was supposed to be a multi platformgame, but then there was some business
deal that went on with Microsoft andI don't know if it was a Bethesda
or one of the other companies involved. But damn, it's like, okay,
if I can't play it on PSfive, and then okay, then
it's an Xbox exclusive. But it'snot an Xbox exclusive, so it's it's
just very strange to me. Yeah, it's beautiful looking game, though,

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I'll all them think I'll try itout. Yeah, we'll chat about it
in the future. That's pretty muchit, though. Good stuff going on,
Good stuff going on on both ourends. It kind of sounds like
we're both moving out, both gettingnew jobs. Me maybe getting a new
job, I mean, still workingat NBC, but like getting a getting
hopefully a promotion. The boys justjust stacking ws. You know, you

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love to see he's all around,you'd fucking love to see it. Before
we get to talking about Asoka,let's take a quick break for some ads.
All right, I didn't. We'reback, so let's get into Asoka
episodes one through five. So Ithink I what I want to do,
I don't want to I guess structurethis is. We'll talk about, like,
you know, just kind of likegeneral thoughts. I'll I have like

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a couple like specific things that Iwant to mention general thoughts, talk about
episodes one through three, and thenwe'll talk about episodes four and five collectively,
because those are those two right there, definitely definitely worth chat about.
Written and directed by Dave Filoni.I mean, there's a handful of other
directors that are in here, likeRick Famiua. You'll know his name from
the Mandalorian Peter Ramsey, he directed, he directed episode four. Well,

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it's all written by Dave. Ithink Favreau is one of the producers on
this and Rosario Dawson returns to therole as Asoka Tano. Got a couple
of newcomers here and Natasha lu Bardizois Sabine Wren, Mary Elizabeth Winstead as
Harris and Doula David Tennant. Ifyou guys remember if you've seen what he

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was in Clone Wars, right,he wasn't ever in Rebels. He was
just Clone Wars. Yes, whichhonestly, dude, I did not know
that was David Dennett. Yes,that's so wild, but yeah, no,
it was just it was just CloneWars. Yeah. So he returns
as hu Yang, which is prettycool. Ray Stevenson rest in peace.
He starts as Balin skull Ivana saknoI. Hope I said that right,

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as Shintoki or shin Hati Balin's apprentice, Diana Lee in No Santo in Osanto,
that's right, as Morgan Elsbith.She returns from I think it was
The Mandalorian season two And yeah,so I mean there's other people like Genevieve
O. Riley returns as mon Mathmaepisode five. Of course our guy Hayden

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Christiansen. But anyways, okay,let's start. Let's start with You.
Ahsoka Episodes one through three firing up. The first episode, just so much
going on in my mind, somany emotions. I mean, like I
said in the catch up, thisis just something that we hear at the
Kibra culture looking forward to so muchas a project, so many theories of
what was going to go on andwhat's going to happen. You know,

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we're halfway through, and even evenone through three, I think two big
general statements for me would be andit wasn't what I expected to happen in
the first three episodes, but Istill love what they gave us in all
three of those episodes. I thinkthe first episode were expecting I think that's
the problem. I don't know,because well, obviously my main thing is

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I wanted I want Air to theEmpire right this on here so much.
Obviously that's kind of an unrealistic expectationconsidering the show is called Ahsoka. We
want this to be about Ahsoka.We wanted to have it focus on Asoka,
which it definitely is so far.But man, the first episode I
think was just a great segue fromRebels into pretty much Rebels season five.

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I mean, Dave Filoni said ithimself, this is gonna be pretty much
Rebel season five. Yeah. Hewas like, he was like, spiritually,
it's gonna be like a Rebel seasonfive, Like right, he said,
that's it's like a good way tolook at it. Yeah. I
think a lot of people got alittle turned off by that because they wanted
it to be focused on Asoka,which is totally understandable. But even having
said that, I mean, man, we just got shot for shot rips

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from the last season of like thelast episode of Rebels with you know,
the ship flying from the tower whereSabine is Like as a result, little
home communications tower, communications tower,right, I mean, the city looks
fantastic. We got reprised roles fromthe guy who played writer Rosadi, which
I love. It felt like wewere back in Rebels. Is that where

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they introduced the star map, Thatis when they introduced the starmap. Yeah,
that's that's like Asoka's like first littleadventure. She uh, she's on
that planet. Like that whole openingsequence felt so Jedi Survivor and it felt
very fall in order. You know, you're solving puzzles and like all the
like. Like even the little starmap itself looked like those like little like

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little balls or no, not littleballs. They were giant balls in some
of the Jedi temples, I thinkin Fall in order that you would push
around, you know. But yeah, so that that that was pretty cool.
What I was gonna say was Ithink as as the season went on
and Joe and I talked about alittle bit too, is it it just
felt like kind of a straight ripfrom the map to Luke Skywalker and oh

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yeah, yeah, a lot ofmaps, a lot of maps, a
lot of maps, a lot ofmaps. But I mean it's still a
recurring theme in Star Wars, Imean the sequel trilogy, and Asoka is
not the only time there's just beenlike, oh, we need a map
to find this lost person. Soat first I was kind of like,
h this is all right, Butthen as the season went on, it's

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settled much better with me. Yeah, at least they're like doing it like
it's it's unique, like it's stilla map, but like you know,
Ahsoka and then like kind of benefitfrom this scenario, you know, because
like, of course, who elseis going to try to figure out the
map besides Sabine. I mean,Saban's like kind of a genius engineer,

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but she's also very privy to artwork and she knows how to figure to
figure things out just from art fromher dad. Very much like, very
much like thrown. But yeah,it was just I think the first episode
was a great just all right,we know exactly where we are. I
think it sets up the plot fairlywell. And man, it just like

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is this where they they didn't openthe star map in the first episode?
Right? That was the second one. I think I think Sabine solved it
in the first No, she shefigured it out at the she figures it
out at the end of the firstepisode at the end of the first episode,
and that's when she has to duelwith Shin Hati and then the droids
like like right after she solved it, Shin and the I think they're HK

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forty seven droids. I think itmight be a yeah, yeah, yeah,
so she figured it out by theend of the episode one. Yeah,
I'm in man, she didn't,Aunty. Yes, I'm not saying
that. I'm not saying that forwhy you think I think I'm saying that,
well kind of, but like she'sfine, She's bay for sure,

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but also like I just like Ilove her character. I love like Balin
is kind of this. We'll talkabout Balin Moore, but Balin is like
understands both sides of the force,both sides of the force. That's why
I really like his character. Yeah, they're both, Yeah, they're both.
They're both mercenaries. I think.I think Shin is kind of like

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more lost, like on the darkside versus Balin, you know. And
ironically, she reminds me like whenwe were theorizing on one of the episodes
about what would happen in Ahsoka,she does remind me of Marra Jade a
little bit like her. Her attitudeand kind of like her mindset are very

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like. They're both very similar fromwhat I can tell so far, very
like zengeful, like power driven andvery powerful beings. And I love the
duo between Balin and Balan's just dope. I mean, like just from the
like they're they're dynamic and like theopening scene with them, like for one,

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like when the episode starts opening crawl, very cool, like their own
spin on the opening. Yeah,we got an opening crawl for this,
but no, the opening scene withBayalin and Shin was was just incredible because
they reminded me, and I feellike, like in some of these episodes,
I definitely feel like little callbacks hereand there to like some prequel trilogy
stuff. But the opening scene feltlike the opening the Phantom Menace, just

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like a dark side version of it. Like you know, you had like
Qui Gon and Obi Wan on theon the Trade Federacy ship, and then
here you have you know, Balinand Shin just fucking shit up Bano Balin
Sick. The dude is like anabsolute unit. He just reminds me of
just like like a night you know, like he's just so big and like
imposing, you know, and he'she's awesome. Yeah, Resent Peace.

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He has a powerful presence and hismonologues are yeah, top tier. No,
Honestly, to me, I dothink Ray Stevenson is probably I think
he's the best actor in the showso far. Like his life his line
devolivery is sick and yeah, no, he's and probably like one of like
the better quote unquote villains of likerecent Star Wars Memory, you know,

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as far as like Dark Jedi areconcerned. I think I like him.
I like him more than Kilo easily. No, I agree, and it'll
be very interesting to see if theythis is jumping forward a little bit,
but to see because he's he waspart of the Jedi Order or he knew
the Jedi Order. We don't knowif he was part of it, but
he didn't make references to saying everybodyon the Order, everybody on the Jedi

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Order knew or that was part ofthe Jedi Order knew Anakin Skywalker And you're
like, okay, well how doyou know that? Yeah, like,
what's here? What's the angle here? So I'll be very interesting to see
if they explain that king of actingperformances. I do think I've heard some
opinions that say the acting kind ofchemistry between Natasha Gordizo and Rosario Dawson's a

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little like a little little men.But I think that speaks to their relationship
where they are right now as charactersin the show. Sure if that makes
sense, No, it totally does. It's like, for one, like
we you and I like, eventhough we've seen rebels in Clone Wars,
like the whole history between Ahsoka andand Sabine is like for one that that's

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not even something that was even likehinted at in rebels that they would even
like link up for something, youknow, like their relationship is something very
end Yeah, it's it's something completelynew. So like they haven't even explained
like what exactly happened between them,Like obviously something bad happened, and I
think it's like to me, itjust feels like it's something as simple as
like like Asoka might have just givenup on like trying to find Ezra and

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that rub should be in the wrongway. That's probably what it is.
But maybe she didn't give up,she's just not as aggressive on finding Ezra,
like her her missions bigger than that, you know. Yeah, and
that kind of plays into like whathappens in episode four, but we'll talk
about that when we get there.Definitely, the performances for me definitely seem
a little off just because like it'shard to buy whatever happened between them,

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I think, just because like wedon't know much about it. Yeah,
so that's that's where my head's afterthat. No, Like I definitely agree
with that. Also, another greatthing out episode one loath cats. Oh
dude, love a good loaf cat. I need it? I need it?
Where do I require one? DHow do I get one? Bro?
I mean the same exact way youhear them in rebels. I mean,

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like it's it's probably the same audioclips. Honestly, like it sounds
two perfect dude, low key,They're they're honestly haunting to look at.
They're pretty ugly. Sounds so cute. Yeah, oh man, Like,
what the fuck are those legs?Bro? Like, couldn't you just make
it furry on the legs as well? Like he gave it like duck legs

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or something. It's a little weird. It's a little weird. No,
I love it though. It's sougly that I love it. Another positive
for me out of the out ofthe first episode is seeing Sabine wheeled Ezra's
lightsaber, because we feel that's lightsaberdoing a little combat with it. I
feel like she held her own forvery briefly. But then yeah, she

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needs some training for sure. Shedefinitely needs some training. Well, well,
she wielded the Dark Saber at onepoint and was training with the Dark
Saber. She got a ways togo for sure. She also wheelded Asra's
saber for a little bit and rebelsshe she definitely needs to needs to brush
up on her forms a little bit. That's the other thing that. That's
something else that reminded me of PhantomMenace is like when when Shin got got

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to Low Fall and then there's likethe shot of her standing over the big
runway and then she has that likelittle circular droid that that felt like a
straight rip from mall because I waspretty sick. There are little callbacks here
and there. It's it's it's awesomestuff. I'm really digging it so far.
Yeah, it's definitely. I mean, they're just paying homage, you
know, ye, you know prettymuch all all you said a lot of

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positives. I already tossed out acouple quick shout out to Harrison Dula.
She's hot. I will I will. I won't be Yeah no, I
won't be the stepfather to Jason.I'll be the father that stepped up Ramona
Flowers man oh Man and for real, like fucking Ewan McGregor is a dog.
Like if you guys don't know,Ian McGregor and Mary Elizabeth Winstead,

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they're they're a couple Star Wars powercouple right there. But since you brought
it up already, let's let's talkabout the fight at the end of the
episode with Shin and uh and Sabine, So obviously, like Sabine wasn't gonna
win this one, but fucking justicefor Qui Gon. Dude, this is
the second time in like Live ActionStar Wars at least at least at least

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with like plus Disney plus Star Warsshows. Okay, like Reva got stabbed
as a child from Darth Vader orAnakin and then got stabbed again by Darth
Vader at the end of OBI oneand lived to see the day from both
of those wounds. And now wegot Sabine surviving a stabbed to the gut
and living. She put a bandaid on it and she's fine. Yeah,

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no, it's and it's like,bro, what's going on here?
Qui Gon got stabbed in the gut, died, and moments later, moments
later, fucking OBI one slices himin half and he gets to live.
Like, Yo, that's just tough. Damn. It's not very fair.
It's not very fair at all.Yeah, yeah, but you know it

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is what it is. Yeah,Justice for Quaign that sucks. Episode one
was a solid star. It wasthe longest of I think it's the longest
episode so far. So with episodetwo now or any other thoughts on episode
one. As for episode one,I mean great, good, good pilot,
good pilot, okay, but episodetwo thoughts. My biggest awesome moment

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out of episode two for me,one that stands out the most is motherfucking
Morgan Elsbeth being a fucking Night Sister. Oh yeah, oh yeah. It's
it's like the slightest hint at itif you know, you know, it's
one of those things, if youknow, you know honestly that that was
like she might have revealed that inepisode one, but that was something I

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did not see coming at all,because I think that was something that Felony
mostly dove into himself, and likein Clone Wars and Rebels, like he
was the one that kind of juststarted talking about the Night Sisters and like
you know how they're witches and yeah, and to see him bring that in
it just it just really brings meto the realization that, like with Favreau
saying like how Ahsoka is Foloni's magnumopus, like you especially feel that when

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like everything that he's worked on leadingup to episode five, like episode five,
like feels like everything that Felone hasdone has led to like this episode.
You know absolutely absolutely. Yeah,So I'm like, damn that this
is just really like dope to see. Yeah, night Night Sisters, Night
Sisters. I remember, I feellike I've I've said this on previous pause

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before, but I'm always I wassaying like I want some night Sister ship.
Then out of nowhere also so youyou got what you wanted, And
this just came to my head.I saw something on Instagram or somewhere some
some social media where it was like, I don't think it's his episode.
I think it's episode three where theInquisitorska makes quick work of the Inquisitor's episode

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four. Actually, I'm just gonnasay it now. My theory is that
the Inquisitor was a creation of MorganL. Smith. Yea, like some
witchcraft. Like that's the best wayI could I could explain, like when
when she sliced through him and itwas like that green ship coming out,
Because so Savago Press definitely died inClone Wars, right, yes, yes,

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and I'm pretty sure he like whenwhen he's also voiced by the same
guy that does I'm pretty sure whenhe died, all that green shit started
coming out of and because Mother Tewsondid some weird ship to him, right,
Yeah, some weird witchcraft shit thatjust made him stronger. They call
it, she made him stronger throughlike the witchcraft version of the Force or
whatever. Yeah. Yeah, soyeah, No, I'm curious if,

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like, well, first let meask you this. We already know the
answer to this because we we justtalked about it. Morroque ended up being
nobody. A lot of theories aroundwho yeah, did you did you have
one? Did you have a Moroquetheory or one that you're like entertaining.
No, the I mean the twothat's that the two main ones that I've
heard is it's either Bearsafi or forsome reason it's Ezra. Yeah. I

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don't know why it would be Ezra. That one like completely turned me off,
Like is he like working undercover orsomething like that. I think that
would just be a little ridiculous interms of storyline and Barrissoffee I like that
one. But I think the introductionof Barry's offis bears Offfie's character served its
purpose in the episodes that she wasin in the Clone Wars, with the

(28:11):
whole framing the bombing on Asoka ofthe Jedi Temple and all that stuff.
I think that surface purpose and consideringDave Filonis behind this project, like he
probably thinks somewhat similar to that,Like I don't think we need to bring
that back, that minor character,you know, even though it was a
pivotal point in the Clone Wars,Like, I don't think there's a real

(28:33):
reason to bring her back. Thoseare only the two theories. I don't
know if you have other ones.No, I definitely, I was definitely
into those two. But it justgot so ridiculous because there was like a
pretty big theory that everyone thought thatit was going to be star Killer,
I think Galen Merrick, and Iwas like, yeah, yeah, Like
but at the end of the day, it was like because people are seeing

(28:56):
like Sam Whitwer's name in the credits, so they're like, oh, he's
got to be in here a starKiller because Sam whitt where he was Galen
Merrick, like he did the motioncapture and I'm pretty sure he did the
voice work for star Killer in thefourth Unleashed games. Yeah, so they're
seeing him and they're like, oh, this has got to be star Killer,
Like they're bringing him back for liveaction, And then it was just
getting to the point where everyone onlinewas like it went from theories to like

(29:19):
people expecting this stuff and this isthis is like the worst part of like
any fandom is that like when youstart the nizing things and like start thinking
like, oh, it's gonna happen, because like, once that happens and
you truly believe it and it doesn'thappen, then you're gonna start like bashing
the show because like, oh,this is bad writing, like it should
have been rogue, Like what thefuck are you guys doing. I'm like
that that's your guys fault, youknow, Like, oh, man,

(29:44):
I think at the end of theday, it's more of felony, just
paying more homage to rebels rebels fansby bringing an inquisitor back in the first
place. I think the Inquisitors weremore of a fresh Empire kind of idea,
what I mean, Whereas we're likequite a bit down the timeline of
the empire in the Asoka show,so I feel like it's and we already

(30:07):
have two dark Jedi, so like, I think focusing too much on an
inquisitor would take screen time away frommore important things. But I do,
but that's classic internet man, peoplejust taking wild theories and just running with
him, you know, but nollaone that I that I thought would have
been like it would have been ashot for the moon, but like it

(30:27):
would have been, like I couldhave been into this if it was like
if it was a Luke Skywalker clone, because then that that would have like
tied in that that could have tiedinto or like at least tried to like
set up that isn't his clone likea big deal in the air to the
Empire books, Yes, yeah,towards the end of the first trilogy,
Yes it's a big deal. Likemaybe they could have revealed that at the

(30:48):
end, but at the end ofthe day, it doesn't matter, because
where the fuck is Luke? Bythe way, Yeah, no, this
dude is just chilling, chilling,and his fucking broken down temple, not
broken down, but like his freshlybuilt. Yeah, he's trying to he's
trying to build it, you knowhim him, well, no, not
him and Grogu anymore. He's literallyjust showing alone and where the zep man

(31:11):
dude? That's right? I meanhim? And uh damn, why is
his name escaping? Mean? Yeah, Kanan, I mean there's no way
for Kanan, Like I feel likethe only way that we could see Kanan
in this if he like like fromone, I hope it's not fdy Prince
Junior. That would be I thinkthat would be a little strange. But
him, Yeah, no, ifanything, I hope like Ezra, Like

(31:34):
if we see Ezra soon and hecomes back to Lethal and we get some
low like loath wolves, yeah,like or if he can speak to Ezra
like through a loath wolf. Ithink they did something similar to that,
like towards the end of Rebels.That could be cool. Like if it's
just his voice, I'll be downif we do. I'm not gonna be
I'm not gonna be upset because kanI do. Yeah, no, I
do. I do expect to seezeb at some point though, because he

(31:56):
was with Carson Tava and exactly andcar and Table was here. Yeah,
like what what is he doing?Like, yeah, it's back on Lerasan
just chilling, Like what else?What else? What else? From episode
two? I think who Yang gotintroduced for the first time. Yeah,
we didn't talk about him though,awesome if you don't know, like a

(32:16):
little history about him in the CloneWars, he's the droid that goes with
the young lings too. I don'tthink it's necessarily just the ice planet that
they go to to find their Kibercrystals, but he's the droid that helps
the younglings assemble their lightsabers. Movingforward, I think Spine is gonna get
her own lightsaber and might go throughthe same ritual because obviously there's a chance

(32:40):
we get Ezra back. Ezra getshis lightsaber back from Sabine, then Sabine's
gonna need her own lightsaber if shedoes go through a training. Speaking of
Sabine, the ode to Kanan Jarissof her cutting her hair, that's fantastic.
That so fantastic. Yeah, andthat that was like my favorite Sabine
form in Rebels was hairs of beingshort, purple hairs have being bar none.

(33:02):
Yeah. But going back to HughYang real quick, I think one
of my things that's like the coolestboutance because it's like he's like a really
old droid, right, like heis like, oh yeah, High Republic
era. Probably I think it wasan episode two when when he started to
when he helped because they have recordof Balin and Shin attacking the New Republic

(33:24):
cruiser and he was able to identifywho they were based off of the lightsabers
that they had, which is fuckingawesome, Which is crazy to think about
that, Like he has record ofevery like Padawan that he's helped. He's
like, oh, that lightsaber Ihelped. Balin's full make that like these
are like the specific traits of hislightsaber or whatever. I thought that was

(33:45):
pretty interesting. But no, Huangis sick and that's what That's what we're
referring to earlier about how Balin that'sone of those indicators that he, I
mean, he was on the lightside at some point, how he was
involved in the Jedi order. Westill don't excited to see where that goes.
What about Chopper being a menace dudeto try to commit another dude,

(34:10):
I've never I've never understood Chopper more. I think he's the most like understandable
like ashramc and Star Wars period.Oh yeah, for sure. There's definitely
like like a dozen to maybe acouple dozen scenes and rebels where you can
definitely understand him if you're like reallyreally listening. But yeah, just him.

(34:30):
Like I love this initial part ofthis episode where Ahsoka they like they
pretty much figure out that there arenot only Imperial enthusiasts still around, but
like die Hard, like long livethe Empire folks still around, like within

(34:52):
the New Republican network. I thinkthat's the first kind of like ominous dark
feeling that you get so far otherthan seeing other than seeing Balen and shin
that first like ah, this shit'sthis shit's gonna pop off soon. It's
gonna be great. And we gota little we got a little taste of
that in Mando season three with that, with that episode that kind of felt

(35:15):
like it was out of place.I think it was like episode three or
four or something like even there,like they were introducing the idea that like,
oh, they're training like all thesenew Republic people that were formally Empire
to be part of like new Republic, and this was like for the army,
you know, for like the NewRepublic Army. And then with this
one they were just talking about likethis is just a factory on Karelia just

(35:35):
making like ship parts and ship thatwas formally Empire. But then like,
you know, I definitely like thatconversation that Harah had with the with the
shipyard guy, I forget his name, you know, the guy just pretty
much explains like or like Harro's questioninglike like, oh, like this was
formally Empire now like you're just sayinglike they're just doing stuff for the New
Republic. It's like, do youquestion their loyalty? And then he says

(35:59):
he replies with like, I don'tthink they really care about like where they
politically aligned, just as long asthey're getting paid. And I'm like,
damn, that's that's real shit.Yeah, yeah, but you know it's
you know, it's fishy as funat the same time, but yeah,
Chopper, pretty much they find outthey're trying to steal I guess you could
say steal a hyperdrive. Obviously,as the episode moves forward, you figure

(36:22):
out it's for the Eye of Sion. I'm still a little bit torn on
the name because a lot of peopleare saying like Zion, like Darth Sion
from the whole Republic. I don'tthink it really means anything. Like are
people saying like, like, oh, like Darth Scion's gonna show up because
they dropped his name or something,or I don't think so. But it
like there's some sort of like parallelbetween Darth Sion's character and like the embodiment

(36:45):
of this ship. I don't.I don't know. Well, no,
I mean dar people are making itlike Darth Sion. He does have like
one fucked up eye. But youknow it's like that's true. Is that?
Is that what you guys are sayinglike maybe maybe yeah, just throwing
jade at them. But no,I the ship itself, I thought it
was. I thought the ship lookedpretty interesting because like it made me think

(37:07):
about, you know, how theJedi Starfighters had those hyperspace rings like I
did. I thought it was goingto be like a hyperspace ring for like
a like a like ad for anis D exactly like I thought it was
gonna like we're gonna get in isD then it was gonna dock in there.
You know. That's what I stillthink it's gonna happen. Oh yeah,
yeah, No, you're probably righthonestly, because like Ezra and Thrown

(37:30):
at the end of Rebels, theyflew off in an is s D.
I s D right, Imperial Starstory, Yeah, I s D.
Okay, they okay, they mightstill have that ship then, and then
they whether it's the Chimera or not, I don't know, because I feel
like the Chimera is gonna be likekind of run down at this point.
Maybe that's why they need I guesshere's my theory is they don't need the

(37:50):
hyperspace Drive necessarily for the Eye ofZion. They need it for Thron's I
D the Chimera to bring him,to bring him back to the to the
normal Star Wars galaxy. Yeah,exactly. And speaking of that, the
map, when they actually activate themap, I forget what the planet's called.
But when Morgan Elsbeth, when MorganElsbeth activates it, huge cotoor vibes,

(38:15):
huge vibes. Absolutely, it looksit looks like Cotur for like for
real. Yeah, it's like exactlythe same, just like way better CGI,
way better imaging. I love Ilove that scene at the first time
we get there's going to be adifferent galaxy in Star Wars history. That's
that's really crazy thing same to thinkabout, right, Yeah, like you
think the Star Wars universe is likean actual universe, like there's thousands of

(38:39):
galaxies, but no, like along time ago when a galaxy far far
away, I mean it's one galaxy. What else? Seeing Asoka fight for
the first time in live action ornot not for the first time in live
action, but in this series,like a duel, like an actual duel,
actual duel. Because moving forward,if you pay attention to when Asoka

(39:00):
does fight, from what we've seennow, this is the only time she
uses both lightsabers. Every other fightforward she uses one lightsaber. And I'm
just like, damn, you're justlike that badass. You only need one
lightsaber? But why do you needto for the Inquisitor? I was.
I had a thought on this mostlyjust because, like I think, for
one, because the Inquisitor had likea double edged lightsabers. So I feel

(39:22):
like, you know, practically,like you know, you know, if
you're gonna use two blades, I'mused to, you know, it's like
a formality thing. Yeah, Iknow. The fights. Okay, I
think I'm a little I'm not likenegative on the fights, but I definitely
am like a little less hyped tothem, at least up until at least
in the first two at least yeah, first two episodes. I'm definitely like

(39:44):
kind of like because you know,when you watch a Soca fight, and
this isn't like it's not that fairto say, but like when you see
a Soca fight in like the cloneWars and rebels, especially like she's like
crazy acrobatic, you know, andand there's like a like more more of
like an energy there when she's fightingin like those animated shows. But then

(40:04):
again they're animated, so of courseit's gonna look like crazy cool and these
It's just kind of like the waythe choreography is set up. I just
don't know if, like Rosario Dawsonreally has like flair for action, Like
it almost feels like you've been slacking, you know, like it like AusAID
Bean's been slacking, but obviously she'sgreat, but like just just the look
of it. Sometimes the movement's lookjust a little a little too slow.

(40:28):
It makes me feel that like,Okay, maybe you guys should have gotten
like a stunt double for this.See that's that's where I was going to
disagree with you, because I agree. I agree with you at first,
but I'm actually glad that they didn'tget a stunt double. Even if the
choreography is a little bit like midtier, I still like that. It's
like like Rosario Dawson wants to doit, and man is committing to it.

(40:49):
Yeah for sure. So since Ilike knew that this was kind of
like to me, like episodes oneand two, it's not really critique,
it's just like it's kind of likewhy I prefer the future episodes versus episodes
one and two, because I feltlike we're just like playing catchup for the
sake of, like, you know, the audience that hasn't necessarily seen Rebels
General or clone General, which andI think I think it works. I

(41:12):
honestly think that the first two episodesyou don't have to like I mean,
you miss out on like some highemotional moments, like like that callback with
Sabine cutting your hair, like that'slike a direct callback to Canan cutting his
hair, Like they won't know thatyou know, yes, So you miss
out on stuff like that. Ithink when I was first talking about general
thoughts, I should have thrown thisout there too. I thought it was
so ironic but awesome that when Iwas looking up the ratings on Rotten Tomatoes

(41:37):
for Asoka so far, the Tomatometer is higher than the general audience score,
like the audience score like quite abit, which just tells me that
this is made for Star Wars fans. It's it's not made for the general
audience. They're trying so far throughepisode two to catch you up a little
bit, but there's no way it'sgoing to catch you up with seven seasons

(41:57):
of Colone Wars and four seasons ofRebels that are like twenty episodes long a
season. I would say that likeeven those critics, like I'd say,
like a good amount of them haven'tseen like Clone Wars or Rebels, you
know, and so like if they'reyou know, if they're most for the
most part agreeing that it works withoutit, then I think that's pretty good.

(42:17):
So episode three, this is whenI got roped in. Honestly,
there's this brief that's probably like twominutes long. The conversation between Harah and
mon Mathma and the rest of thissenate or counsel whatever you want to call
it, is like one of myfavorite parts. Yeah, it gives,

(42:39):
it gives. It gives big,big and or vibes. I think a
lot of political disagreement and then alot of Harah being the rebel that she
is. One of my favorite partsabout it. No, it's interesting to
think about where mon Mathma is likementally in and or versus like or she

(43:00):
is here because like I rewatched thefinal monologue in and Or, which was
the origin we're supposed to say fuckthe Empire. Every PG thirteen gets one
fuck you. Yeah, I thinkyou know, if folks don't know,
like think about her monologue and likehow she said, like, oh,
like like we've been sleeping, likethe empires here and we've been sleeping,

(43:21):
you know, And that's kind ofwhere I feel like, you know,
where these senators are at or thesethese new uh the new people in power
for the New Republic, That's wherewhere they're at there, like sleeping,
and that's why like the First Orderwas able to rise up. It's interesting
put in that context. Yeah,And I also there's I think two two
or three different moments in this episodethat are just like like such rips from

(43:45):
other Star Wars content that a littletraining scene between Ahsoka and Sabine is in
this one right where she has yeah, the face guard obviously new Hope right
there, very very new Hope.Sabine getting in the gunner, very Han
solo. Luke, Yeah, Luke. I mean I love both of those,
Like those ripping those things I wastotally fine with, like, yeah,

(44:08):
absolutely no anything that they ripped fromother Star Wars content and like I
mean, it's like it doesn't botherme, you know. Yeah, yeah,
we get a lot of like Sabine, we get some more training between
Ahsoka and Sabine, which I thinkis one of my favorite parts about this
this episode, and it just goesback to there was an episode in Rebels

(44:29):
where Canan's talking to Harra while she'swatching Sabine train with Ezra with the Dark
Saber. Canan's pretty much just saying, you know, she's she's so difficult,
she's so and then Harro goes Mandalorian, and like, you get a
lot of that in this episode,like she's so resistant, she's so like

(44:50):
but fierce at the same time,you know, like kind of and and
also close minded. You know,we see Ahsoka trying to have Sabine reach
out to the force, like useyour feeling to predict where I'm gonna shrike,
and then obviously with her trying tolike force grab the little coffee cup
or whatever it is. That wholetime I was like, come on,
come on, come on, youcan like you could do it, you
could do it, come on,But I'm glad, like she didn't actually

(45:13):
showcase force power yet if that evenhappens. I'll be honest with you,
I think the like the whole liketrying to make Sabine like forced sensitive.
It's kind of strange to me.Like I think I'd prefer it if she
was just like a warrior, LikeI wouldn't be mad if she never uses
the force in this you know whatI mean. She's just a great like

(45:34):
weapon weapon master. Yeah, shelearned like a Mandalorian. You know.
I feel like I feel like youwanted to say something that like really hooked
you into this episode. Oh,I think the thing that just like brought
me in was just the fact thatit takes place, Like it feels like
we're actually moving forward with story withthis with this one, you know,
because episodes one and two kind offelt like more like set up up until

(45:59):
like like that ending of Rebels thatwe just talked about, you know,
like we mentioned the training sequence iscool, the final starfight is pretty fun.
It like for a little while itkind of felt like like low stakes,
mostly because you know, you havelike your two leads of the show
and then you have like a coupleof the main villains, Like there's no
way that like like like they're allgonna make it out of this, you

(46:22):
know, like both of oakin Saminare gonna make it out and Moroccan shit,
are gonna make it out of this. So I was like, yeah,
this pretty standard stuff. It's coolthough, But then like what shocked
me was when they finally got toSitos and then out of nowhere, like
I was not expecting to see purgolesin this episode. It's like, oh
shit, it just brought back thatlike there's like in Star Wars. It

(46:45):
just brought back that that sense ofwonder that's in Star Wars kind of like
makes you feel like a kid again, you know when like when the pargol
came up, it's like like wow, this is this is cool, Like
you feel how every time they've introducedthe pergol in Star Wars, you feel
how the characters do and yeah,you're just like oh my god, yeah

(47:05):
no, it was this real,like yeah, so I thought they that
was like, you know, theydid that really well. That's pretty much
it. I don't have much tosay about it was it was a shorter
episode. It definitely moved the forward, moved moved the series forward. I
think Asoka going out onto the wholeof the ship was like, oh,
yeah, that happened this episode,didn't It ridiculous, but like pretty fucking

(47:28):
cool at the same time. Yeah, it was very race Skywalker when kylo
Ren was like charging her and wasepisode nine, oh when she sliced the
tie Fighter. Yeah. Yeah,it's very like that kind of vibe.
Like in Clone Wars and Rebels,they've definitely fought in space a couple of
times, you know, so itdefinitely felt more reminiscent of that than than

(47:51):
like the ray thing, you knowwhat I mean the very beginning of the
first season of Clone Wars, thewhole malevolence thing. Yeah, with the
with the giant ass like he impwave, General Grievous has like they're literally
like the Clones go out there andshoot blasters in space. Yeah, like
it Clocoon goes out there. Yeah, like just start swinging that thing.
Yeah, Like it's it's not ait's not a new ideas for sure.

(48:15):
Yeah, probably the folks that haven'tseen Clone Wars and Rebels, But like
I love that she has like thisthis like very like her whole space suit,
like even her what her head isthat like part of her body the
montrals I think montrals or or thelike the tailors of the like you yeah,
is that part of her body?Like we have to talk about this

(48:36):
when we gets episode five, butlike okay, but I love that in
like her space suit has like itsown covering for those you know, it's
like perfectly themed like to her.Even the coloring. Yeah, it's like
blue and white, which is likethe same cultor it's hilarious. Yeah.
No, I don't have much morein episode three. I just know that,

(48:57):
like I enjoyed it more than thefirst two episodes, and it was
like the one that was like,oh yeah, now now it feels like
it's picking up a little more,you know, while while I thought like
the first two episodes were like kindof slow, not like you know,
I don't mind like stuff being slow, you know what I mean, Like
I'm not like impatient about there anythinglike do it right, Like it's okay
if it's slow, just just doit right. I think it's also the

(49:20):
first episode they reintroduced Jason. Itwas which I honestly totally forgot Jason was
in rebels. Oh yeah no,here's part of that little two or three
minute epilogue. Yeah, this greenhair, I wish he looked like an
alien. Like, I feel likeit made more sense for him to like
like look like an alien than ahuman. But like maybe he was like
human looking, but he just hadlike green skin or something. Yeah,

(49:42):
it's a hybrid of the two,like, oh, he's he just has
green hair, like. I mean, it's just but that was like a
Rebels thing, like they should havedone that in Rebels, that they can
make it look like an alien andfucking yeah, so good. It's just
not a knock. I'm just like, you know what, the fuck?
It just makes me laugh thinking thatCanaan and hair A fucked. I mean,

(50:05):
I'm just I'm sorry I have tothrow that out there. I'm sorry.
I won't speak anymore on him.Yeah, not a lot of like
major pivotal like positives or negatives.I mean, we get more of Balin,
we get more of hot Tea,hot Tea being like a pretty decent
or Shin hot Tea being like adecent, pretty decent pilot, she looks

(50:27):
like a pretty sick pilot, andjust a little bit more of Balin.
But yeah, super short episode.Liked it a lot, love that little
political and or vibe. Yeah,good stuff. Okay, episode four.
This is where I really started cooking. Let him cook, Let him cook,
Let him cook. So this episodehad probably the best transition in Star

(50:52):
Wars history. And you and Youbriefly spoke on Lightsaber choreography. I think
this duel between Balan and Asoka's toptier. It's great. Yeah, it's
awesome. Asoka's very Samurai. Shechanges forms like she does Who's form does
she do? Like she does thatbasic just like form one two hands on

(51:15):
the lightsaber, just straight out infront of you. She changes forms,
Balin changes forms. They both liketake off their robes. Like it's this
very formal duel. I mean,it's just they know that it's really good
because like the choreography is good,and like you feel the like you you
finally understand like the intentions of bothlike Asoka, and you get the intentions

(51:40):
of like Balin, Like you understandwhere both characters are at, you know,
and what they're you understand what they'refighting for. And not only them
too, but you also get likeSabine's intentions because you see where like she's
mostly in it for she's mostly init for Ezra, and like I want
to go back to the beginning ofthe episode real quick, but like even

(52:00):
like Asoka asks her like like,hey, can I can I count on
you for this? And she says, yeah, yeah, no you can
count on me, like but bythe end it's like no, you can't,
but no. I honestly really likedthe opening action sequence as well,
because I really wanted to see Sabinein her Mando armor like in action,
you know, so that that waspretty sick to see even with her Mando

(52:22):
armor when she was fighting Shin,Like, it definitely makes more sense for
her to be armored up just becauselike like she was blocking some of the
lightsaber moves with her with like hergauntlets and shit. Showing off the best
car and then the duel with Asocaand Moroque was good as well. Quick
work, quick work, and Ididn't even I didn't realize this until I
watched this episode. Whenever the inquisitorsare like fighting and they start spinning their

(52:46):
lightsabers, it's over. It's overfor the inquisitor. Like the spinning the
lightsaber thing doesn't do shit, Likeall it can do is is like helping
guys away. Yeah, like youcan you just you just escape with the
flying lights at which we haven't gottenyet in live action, and I'm waiting
for it. I really wanted Waitwe didn't we didn't get that in Uh

(53:10):
No, we we got the spinningsaber, but we've never seen an inquisitor
fly with their spinning lights, Likefucking yeah, I want to see him
fly away or just like take offwith it or so that. I mean,
for all we know, that's thelast inquisitor we're gonna see. I
mean, who knows. I amcurious though, Like I know we talked

(53:30):
about this earlier. But if itis like an inquisitor from like Night Sister
Magic, I wonder if it's likea specific inquisitor, like it's if it
might be someone we know that Morganbrought back. Is there rumors out there
that thron Is has an army oflike like reanimated stormtroopers brought up with Night

(53:53):
Sister Magic. I wouldn't consider thatthat far fetched. I wouldn't conserve our
feesh either. No, because inin the Throng trilogies, freaking jurist Sabbi
Off literally can mind control an entirearmy of strong troopers. Wow, So
I feel like that that kind oflike power dynamic is kind of similar,

(54:16):
like that's that's a crazy display ofpower. It's not like it's something we
haven't seen before. Yeah, Iheard of before or read before. That'd
be interesting to see that play out. But I still have a strong feeling
that it's just nobody. I'm gonnajust stick with Moroka being nobody. Yeah,
but I'd love to see it developeda little bit more, but just
not too much. You know.I kind of said that already about the

(54:37):
Inquisitor. Obviously we already, wealready spoke about it too quick work.
I definitely think it's Night Sister witchcraft. I mean, if the Night Sisters
can control Count Dooku, I mean, come on, they're pretty powerful.
Control Count Dooku control what they alsocontrolled. I think Sabine and Kanan in

(54:58):
an episode, Yeah, had hadto break the spell. Oh back to
back to the dueling scene. Yes, Like how you were saying the intentions
behind both Balin and Ahsoka, andit makes me think about the trailer and
Balin saying like for some power followswool and we got we got like half

(55:21):
of that right in that in thatdialogue between them. Balen's pretty much on
this first order kind of vibe likeThron's coming back and it's going to bring
peace and security to not only ourgalaxy but multiple galaxies. His Yeah,
and I love I love the wholebanter between them and the transition at the
end. Well before I talk aboutthe transition at the end, tell me

(55:44):
if you agree with this. DidBalin mind control Sabine? Do you remember
when he closes his eyes for asecond. Yeah, No, I don't
think it's mind control, but helike he likes a force persuade is pretty
good. But no, I thinkhe like used the force to just kind
of like read her true intentions becauselike he like closed his eyes, used

(56:05):
the force just to see where shewas at mentally, and he was like,
oh, you want to see Ezralike, and he's just started name
dropping all these things, and it'slike, oh, well, how would
you How could you possibly know allthis stuff? You know? I think
it was a combination of that anda force persuasion from my coach. That's
sick. He for sure invaded hermind in one way or the other.

(56:27):
Because he also says like, comewith me willingly of course, and you're
like, willingly, yeah, yeah, you definitely did some like some mine
tricks there. I don't know aboutthat. Yeah, like some force persuasion
for sure. Yeah, yeah,it's no, these aren't the droids you're
looking for, but it's runner upto that. But the transition at the
end, Oh before that, oneof my friends told me this theory that

(56:51):
so we'll talk about it in episodefive. But like, how are Asoka
and everybody else involved gonna get tothat galaxy without the map because Balin obviously
destroys destroys the map. When Ahsokatouches the map, it's like hot right
and drops it. Somebody had oneof my one of my buddies, had
this theory that like half of themap was like embedded in her bomb because

(57:13):
it like burnt it in there,which I thought was a cool, cool
theory. But then we got twoepisode five and you know, now we
know which we knew how that wasgoing to happen. Now the transition like
Asoka getting knocked out, the crashingwaves and then it's slowly transitioned to the
fucking world between worlds. No,I didn't see that coming. I was
like, whoa, whoa that wasthat was pretty good, Like tell yeah,

(57:36):
you go back and rewatch it.I feel like I'm skipping over a
lot here, but I think theseare just like the best parts of the
episode. So a World between World'shuge fan service. I mean, the
World between Worlds is Dave Filoni's invention, as Asoka is Dave Filoni's invention.
Dark Savor was Dave Filoni's invention.If you haven't seen Rebels, go watch
it. I don't want to explainit too much because it's still kind of

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like a mystery to tackle. SomethingI think you're gonna bring up about the
World between Worlds is a multiverse.I just randomly had an interview with Dave
alone come up on my feed,like before the show even came out,
like addressing the world between Worlds,and he specifically states like this isn't about
time travel. The World between Worldsis not about time travel. It's more

(58:19):
about knowledge. The crux of whathe's saying. Anyone out there saying multiverses.
I know somebody posted something on orcommented on one of our posts and
said, maybe just a little multiverseand works. That's Chris Nah, that's
Chris peak. But I was like, no, no, we're not doing
that, Like no, fuck you, dude. Leave that in the MCU,
like that's we don't need to bringit to another Disney project. It's

(58:42):
too regurgitated. I mean, Idon't want to see that, you know,
the multiverse is too trendy, andhonestly, like a multiverse would not
I don't think it would work inStar Wars like at all, barely,
if at all, works in theMCO. So it's like, like the
beauty of the way that the StarWars universe is being fleshed out is that

(59:05):
I think, especially considering like thechronology of how it all came out you're
kind of bouncing back and forth betweentimelines. Is that when new projects come
out, you can piece like causeand effect things from different projects so often,
and that's why it's beautiful and allthe multiverse in there. It just
ruins all that. Okay, Iwill talk about the world between worlds and

(59:28):
rebels like the only I shouldn't saythe only, but so the two things
that happen are Ezra rips Ahsoka outof fighting Vader on malikor but that doesn't
mess with the timeline as far aswe know, Like they don't say,
oh what changes how all of thishappens? Right? Yeah? No,
So here let's stick on that fora little bit and like explain like why

(59:49):
that makes sense. So Ezra endsup in the world between worlds, and
then he pulls Asca from her fightwith Vader. But if you remember,
if you haven't seen this episode ofRebels, but if you have, you
have to you have to think aboutwhat happens. I think it's what the
title of the episodes Twilight of theApprentice. So at the end, at
the end of that episode, yousee Asoka dueling with Vader, and then

(01:00:12):
like like Ezra and Canan, theyall escape. But then at the very
very end of the episode, yousee Asoka walking into like this archway like
she obviously survived the fight against Vader. And then now you fast forward to
you fast forward to when Ezra stumblesinto the world between worlds. This is

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like maybe a season or two later, or maybe maybe not that long,
but it's definitely episodes later. Whereasthere stumbles in the world between worlds and
then he pulls Asoka from that momentand then they explode, like you know,
stuff happens, and then like theygo see some shnanigans together. Eventually
Asoka goes back, and when shegoes back, you see that she's looking
at that archway that she walks towardsat the end of Twilight the Apprentice.

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What this means is that Ezra pullinga soca from that moment and Twilight the
Apprentice doesn't cause an alternate timeline,but more so, it was always meant
to happen. So it like hewas always meant to pull her out at
that moment to survive. Makes sense, right, I hope folks are following,

(01:01:22):
I mean, make it makes senseto me definitely. Yeah, So
there's no multiverse there. It's justit's just one linear thing events that are
always meant to happen. And it'salso like, if you focus on like
the Ezra aspect of the World betweenWorlds, a lot of what happens with
with Ezra and the World between Worlds, you know, you have Palpatine trying
to use it at Palpatine's kind oftrying to use it as time travel.

(01:01:45):
So I'll give them that. I'llgive the multiverse people that, But for
Ezra, a lot of it's likecoming to terms with what happened to his
parents. So like even when he'slike Palpatine showed him his parents and he
could go back to that timeline.It's just a part of who Ezra was
supposed to be, like an orphanboy who had to find his own way
for a very very long time.So yeah, I mean again, it's

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just everything we're saying goes back tothe whole. It's for knowledge, like
like Feloney said, and then whenwe get into episode five, it's for
sure for some for some knowledge,beautiful stuff. What else? What else
you got for episode four? Man, this is when it starts starts to
become peak. I guess not muchmore for episode four besides just driving home
the fact that you know, worldbetween worlds, there's no there's no multiverse,

(01:02:30):
like, everything happens the way it'ssupposed to. Yeah, I think
that's that's pretty much all I havefor episode four. It was a great
episode. Of course, the episodeends with oh, we should actually talk
about this. Episode ends she's inthe world between Worlds and she sees uh
Anakin Skywalker Hello snips. I waslike, damn, Like, I didn't
think they were actually gonna show him. I thought they were just gonna save

(01:02:52):
it until like the next episode,but then we fully see him. What
I thought was odd was that theythey d age his face, you know,
but he looks great. He lookspretty good, and I'm just like,
I guess I don't That's what I'msaying. It's like, no,
because they didn't d age him inobi Wan, you know when when they

(01:03:12):
when you know, when they weredoing the flashbacks with him and him and
obi Wan, they didn't. Theyprobably just use a little bit of makeup,
I guess for timeline purposes. Itmakes sense because they're trying to make
him look like the beginning of Revengeof the sith An again in the Master
Ropes, you know what I mean. But in in the Obi Wan show,
like that was like during Attack ofthe Clones, and they didn't dage

(01:03:34):
him there. That's true. Idon't think you really need to like but
it still looks good though, Yeahit looks fine. But that that goes
like just to start off, liketalking about episode five real quick, like
if they were daging him in episodefive, I could not tell like that.
If anything, that's probably the bestthat d aging has ever looked in
Star Wars. Like even if evenif they used it or didn't use it,

(01:03:55):
I could, like I could tella little bit at the end of
episode before, but in episode five, It's like, did they use it
at all? And if they did, that's great. But anyways, let's
start talking about episode five. Thisthis was oh man, this this was
the one, like this was it? This is where he was cooking.
Some people let him cook. Somepeople say, which I kind of agree

(01:04:18):
with. This might be some ofthe best live action Star Wars we've gotten.
The sense Revenge of the Sith,yeah, no, like this is
this is uh, it was justit was fun, you know, like
in a in a way that likeRevenge of the Sith is like, you
know, as the story is likekind of like heavy, it was still
fun to watch, you know,And this episode was just it was it

(01:04:41):
was a good time, like likeit was like, you know, it
was very like nostalgia heavy, butit was. It was awesome. So
much fan surface in this episode.I think it just we just jumped right
into the thick of it. Imean, yeah, yeah, we got
we got Rex and in the Iwish just taking time off. I thought,
what we know it's him, Yeahthat's true, but we heard his

(01:05:01):
voice. I'm almost like, what, like what if they use deep Bradley
Baker instead? That'd be crazy,which also remind okay speaking of voice actors
and talking about the same not evenflashbacks. They're like, well, i'll
just call them flashbacks for now.I was actually kind of hoping it was

(01:05:21):
actually ex seen as yeah, butI understand why it's not. But I
also love how it's the same actresswho played Young Gamra and of Avengers.
Yeah. I love that he's alsoin Barbie this year and she was in
Barbie. Yeah. I did seethat too, But man, this is

(01:05:44):
it's heavy. I feel like whenI saw the cliffhanger for episode four at
the very end, we heard theVader theme play at the very very final
moment of episode four, which you'relike, oh fuck, it's the Vader
theme, Like why isn't it likesome light sided music, you know what
I mean? Yeah, Like atfirst when I first heard it personally like

(01:06:05):
what I did, because I hadheard rumors this was this was some crazy
shit. But I mean it couldpan out, but I don't think it
will. But someone was saying like, oh, like Anakin is now like
like he's a Mortist. God,now I've seen that too, so that
Mortist arc in the Clone Wars,he actually decided to do it. Yeah,

(01:06:26):
exactly of the Father. Yeah,so I I rewatched that arc.
I was like, damn, likeif they actually do this, that'd be
crazy. And that's it really is. It's it's definitely my favorite. Yeah.
I was actually was just about tosay that, like, oh,
it's my favorite arc and Clone Wars, but that's not true. It's it's
the Final art that's my favorite CloneWars. It's second favorite though, But

(01:06:51):
but no, like I thought hewas, actually they were actually going to
introduce that, and like maybe theywould try to juggle it, like like
it's it's Anakin that's a mortist goodand like he that's like the light side
version of it, and then DarthVader is also like a mortist guy.
Like his two different like characters wouldbe like trying to balance it out or
whatever. That didn't happen at all. Yeah, I keep going, keep

(01:07:14):
going. I kind of got sidejackedthere, That's okay. But speaking of
that whole like the pretty much Anakin'strying to teach Asoka a lesson. So
they flashed back to the Siege ofMandalor, which if you've watched Clone Wars,
Anakin was never there because Ahsoka eventhough she left the Jedi Order took

(01:07:34):
the mission on by herself, andher and Anakin parted ways right before she
went to the Siege of Mandalor.That's when she got the new savers.
That's when he saw all the fiveOh first the orange orange colored face.
Pain ah so good. And toput even more context into like that,
that Siege of Mandalor scene, prettymuch what happened in this Ark and Clone

(01:07:57):
Wars or what's what's happening. Theygo their separate ways and the reason why
they're not together is because she wentto Mandalore and an again and Obian one
went to go capture Grievous over Corussant. So that's that's that's essentially like when
if you've seen Revenge of the Sith, when it starts, they're above Corressant.

(01:08:19):
It's the end of the Clone Wars. But while that's happening, Asoka
is over on Mandalori trying to getit back from from all the mal Deloreans
call Deloreans yea. And what Ilove the most about the scene so far,
if we're talking about it like anincrement, is you're just in this

(01:08:39):
dusty, smoky scene and you haveno idea where you are right now,
but you know that Anakin's taking Asokainto like a memory that is super important.
And then like time goes on,time goes on. You know,
you see some some fallen Clone Troopers, which I feel like how Ahsoka acts
in like this part of the flashbackis very contradicting to how she actually wasn't

(01:09:02):
the Clone Wars, because I feellike Asoka was very ready to fight and
wanted to fight in a lot ofthe Clone Wars. But in this she's
like putting her hand, you know, over that little scene was like I
started crying, like she like sheputs her hand over one of the fallen
Clone troopers, and like the Colnetrooper puts like his hand over hers.

(01:09:26):
So she's very like sentimental and likewhy are we fighting? Why are we
doing this? I thought we weresupposed to be peaceful. Also, ironically,
is kind of the reason that sheleft the Jedi Order two because she
was kind of like, I don'tagree with us being warriors necessarily, And
at the same time, in aflashback, Annakin saying like we are warriors
and we need to fight. That'sreally good, and I think of what

(01:09:48):
really drives it home for it andI think this is why, like the
casting of Ariana Greenblatt, that's hername, the casting of it works so
well because she actually, like whenyou're watching the Clone Wars, it's almost
like like in the earlier seasons,like obviously like yeah, she feels like
a kid and stuff, and she'slike she's younger, but like when it

(01:10:09):
gets into the later seasons, likeespecially by the final arc, it kind
of feels like she's already a youngadult in these episodes, it's like,
no, she was like very muchlike like between like fifteen and eighteen,
yeah, amidst stars. Yeah,she's like a very young kid thrown into
war. Like I think that's whylike these flashbacks like hits so much harder.

(01:10:31):
It's just because like when you seeit in live action, like she
actually looks like a kid, likelooks like a very young like teenager.
Oh my damn, that's that's funshit. Like she's literally like a child
of war. And that's it's it'skind of this contradiction within herself is that
she was raised and trained to bea Jedi during a time of war,
So when there's not a time ofwar, she has to kind of reflect

(01:10:54):
on like what it means to actuallybe a Jedi and be a diplomat and
a keeper of the piece. Ithink this fly back does it perfectly because
she's seeing all this bloodshed, eventhough it's like Droid's but also human clones.
We were talking about this earlier,and you get actually the best transition
in Star Wars history. You seeAnakin charge out there. It almost kind

(01:11:17):
of feels like lightning flashes, andit just goes back and forth between it's
not even Vader, it's Anakin witha blue lightsaber, and then Anakin with
a red lightsaber, and well,no, some of the silhouettes are of
him. Is Darth Vader when he'swatched some of them. I guess it's
kind of half and half. Samewith the kind of transitions when they're in
the world between worlds, and she'sjust like you always wonder whether Ahsoka truly

(01:11:42):
came to peace with the fact ofwhat happened to Anakin. Did he eventually
come to peace with it? Yeah, because I think probably after her first
fight with Vader on Malikors, sheprobably feels that like or her walking away
from him as part of the reasonwhy he is the way he was at
that time and to me like,we'll talk about this a little more,

(01:12:05):
but we might as well talk aboutit now. But because we we briefly
chat about this because we weren't reallysure like what the lesson is that Anakin
was trying to teach her? Right, it's like, what is the lesson?
You know, like like this stuffis cool, like the flashbacks and
stuff are cool, but like whatis he trying to teach her? And
it's like okay, like it's You'resaying, like, oh, it's life

(01:12:25):
or death, and I'm like,all right, what does that mean?
You know? But I think it'slike more so at least my head Cannon
is telling me that like this thiswas more so for Ahsoka to just realize
that, like it wasn't her herfault. So it was the twist of
Palpatina and his influence on Anakin andPadme what happened with Padme. Obviously,

(01:12:48):
I'm still not entirely sure they drovewhat the lesson was home, but and
I think that goes back to oneof your original questions is like will we
see some more Hayden. Honestly,I think I think we will, because
like one of the things that maybefolks that have seen like the original trilogy

(01:13:09):
is like, why aren't we seeinglike an older Anakin Skywalker And I'm just
like okay, well, like maybelike within the world between worlds, like
this is the way that Asoka likechooses to remember Anakin instead of remembering him
as like Darth Vader, she choosesto remember him as like a young guy.
And I don't think that's too farfetched, you know. Well,
and there's I think there's two bigfactors within that, because the way that

(01:13:31):
obi Wan talks to Luke about Anakinis there're two different people. Like for
a while, obi Wan obi Wanlied to him about like, oh,
like Darth Vader and Anakin Scoutwalker aretwo different people. If that like holds
true, like once he became darthVader, like he he was totally a
different person, Like that's that's noteven your father anymore. And obviously Luke

(01:13:53):
Luke had his struggles with that.But then also for some reason, rain
back in my head there's like aninterview with George Lucas about like the Chosen
One and like the Chosen One andlike the prophecy of Anakin being the chosen
One and once he was redeemed atthe end of episode six, he did

(01:14:13):
fulfill the prophecy, and so Ifeel like we are still going to get
some more Hayden moving forward, andwe're also going to flash back more to
kind of that prophecy idea, andit's going to be Anakin saying like,
yes, this is what I was, this is what I became, what
I also got redeemed, and he'sgoing to try to teach whatever the lesson

(01:14:34):
is through that ideology, if thatmakes any sort of sense. Sure,
but no, I could totally seehim coming back as like a force ghost
or something. I mean, there'sthat special edition or like you know at
the end of Return of the Jediwhere they replaced there's a lot of flak
for this, but they replaced theDarth Vader actor at the end of Return

(01:14:55):
of the Jedi with Hayden Christiansen.Yeah, random thought too. By when
I first watched Return of the JediRemastered and I saw even Christianson in there,
I was I'm sorry, but Iwas high as fuck. I smoked
a ship on a weed alive duringthe seventies. It was like the first
it was the first time you've everseen in and like me and Brian were

(01:15:17):
like, yeah, no, thathappened like late. They replaced him a
while ago, and you're like,wait what dude. I was like,
my mind was like fucking blown.I'm sorry, but yeah, force goes
definitely some other highlights. I loveCarson Tava being on Harris side here,
distracting, you know, the republicfleet, being like, oh, you're

(01:15:41):
not gonna believe me, just tryingto like redirect them. Did you did
you catch him name dropping La inthis? No? Okay, So so
while they're on sets he didn't sayLeya, but while they're on sets,
like before, he like flies offto distract the fleet. He's telling Harra
like, oh like senator or Senatororganic can only like keep them occupied for

(01:16:03):
so long like Leia, even thoughlike he said senor, he said Senator
Argana. But you're sure he's notreferring to Bail no, because I'm pretty
sure Bail died in a New Hoperight when they blew up all Duran.
Oh fuck you right? Yeah?Yeah, yeah, it was pretty cool.
Yeah to just hear that little namegot I'm like, oh, she's

(01:16:27):
still rebel, like letting Haro doher thing like a rebel within the New
within the New Republic, It's likepretty sick. The choreography between Anakin and
Asoka dueling in the world between worlds, dude. Okay, Anakin did his
classic behind the back to world dude, and I was like, let's fucking
go, dude. Okay. Iloved it. Okay. So I had
a thought on this in the sequeltrilogy and in episodes one and two of

(01:16:53):
Asoka, even an Obi one show. I've always said this, I'm like,
dude, the super fights and theaction choreography is a little lackluster,
and like, I'm always like this, this is kind of lame, like
where the good Lightsaber fights at,you know, like because the Revenge of
the Sith Anakin Verzobie, when it'salways gonna beer, it's always gonna be
peak, it's always gonna be toptier. And then like after I watched

(01:17:15):
this episode, I was like,maybe the fights aren't all that bad,
and Hayden is just fucking incredible whenit comes to fighting. You know,
maybe I think he's literally just likethat sick of a duelist and maybe like
Anakin Skywalker is probably just the bestduelist that's ever been in Star Wars,
and I'm pretty sure that, likebecause you mentioned and I don't really know

(01:17:35):
anything about this, but you mentionedlike Form one earlier, like all the
different lightsaber forms, and I'm prettysure he uses something called like Form five
or something, which is like superaggressive and very forward, you know,
And I think it's just like wejust haven't seen a whole lot of Form
five because dude, when he hasthat red lightsaber and they're fighting in the
world between worlds, like those liketwirling moves that he's doing and like every

(01:18:00):
everything just feels so aggressive when itcomes from him, and it's just so
perfect and really cool to watch.And Hayden is just good at it.
Like even hear him talking about likefighting with light sebers and interviews, he's
like, oh yeah, I'm constantlyjust like practicing just in case they call
me back, and like that practicepays off, you know, like you
can see it. Oh man,watching him fight is always so exciting,

(01:18:23):
and I hope we get to seelike that type of that type of level
of fighting from from Star Wars inthe future, because like that that is
literally the like the yeah, it'sawesome. He also does this like kind
of count Doo Goo kind of fencingmove where it's just kind of like a
stab, like a thrust forward anda Soca blocks it from like her right,

(01:18:43):
and I'm like, bro, he'sjust taking moves from like everyone.
Yeah, And like you were talkingabout where we both were talking about like
like forms. Even in the ketchup, I was talking about Darth Baine,
like they do the same forms.It's like form one through whatever. But
then also there's an episode in Rebelswhere Asoka's meditating on like a hologram of

(01:19:09):
Anakin doing It's like, oh,this is like my little rendition to the
Form five and Ezra's watching and he'slike, wow, he looks like incredible,
And it's just I don't know allthis information to like what you're saying,
like Anakin is kind of like thebest duellists of all time, like
Anakin and Vader, like both ofthem. Yeah, No, just just

(01:19:30):
the way that they fight, LikeHayden just doing it. It just seems
like he hasn't missed a step sincethat fight will help you want to Revenge
of the Sith, And it's likethat makes me so happy for him as
an actor because of like we talkedabout it in Star Wars celebration when we
talked about on the previous pod,but like how much hate he got in
the beginning into like how much lovehe's getting now, it's just this is

(01:19:50):
just even more love towards Hayden.Yeah, it's just it's nice to see.
I've definitely said how like on thispot that how much I thought that
he was like not the greatest actorin the prequels, and you know,
I still kind of think so,but he's very cringe Yeah, but yeah,
no, I mean at the endof the day, it's like I

(01:20:10):
still really like the character. Justthe way the characters written is still pretty
cool. He's like Anakin Skywalkers istragic, but no, just seeing him
like you know, like he grewup like you and I grew up with
that character. So it's it's justcool to see that, like all this
is happening for him now, it'sit's awesome. I literally can't get over
it. The fights with him isjust it's next level. And even even

(01:20:34):
with Rosario Dawson's like, like youknow, with Anakin very much on the
offensive, like Asoka definitely was onthe defense, and there were definitely moments
where it kind of felt like youknow, Rosario can't keep up, you
know what I mean? Yeah,I mean rightfully, So, yeah,
just good stuff. Another point Jasonbeing for sensitive hearing the waves but being

(01:21:00):
lightsabers clashing. My only thought islike it's like, of course, you
know, Jason's gonna be four sightsof it before his dad. But the
only thing that like that, I'mlike, what the fuck is Hara being
like like acting like he's like outof his mind for hearing or sensing these
things, considering she was with Kananfor fucking ever. Yeah, it's a

(01:21:23):
little bit. It's a little yeah, it's like why do you like when
Jason was trying to tell her onsitos like mom listens, like can you
can you hear like the lightsabers clashing? And then she was like trying to
listen and then she was like,Jason, I can't hear anything, like
like what are you talking about?It's like, what do you mean?
What is he talking about? Likeobviously he can sense something else say you
probably can't, you know well,And I think I think the counter argument

(01:21:45):
to that would be because because Ido agree with you for the most part,
but I think the counter argument is, like maybe she's just being protective
and scared to like reinforce before sensitivityin Jason considering what happened with Kanan,
because what with Kanan is like Idon't think I've ever cried watching an animated
series as much as I have withthat other than Avatar. Like, yeah,

(01:22:10):
I think it's more of like alike a defense thing, like like
just being protective. If they alsowent the other route like you're saying,
like in her being super supportive oflike even if I don't hear it,
like like tell me what you hearblah blah blah blah blah, I'd be
cool with that too. But no, Jason, I wonder if they're going
to try to move forward, likeI don't know, no spinoff, no
spinoff? Yeah yeah, unless it'sinvolved in like a bigger overarching project.

(01:22:38):
Nah, I think it's fine whereit is. You know. Also,
you gotta you gotta cast someone else, like I can't have this little kid.
He almost reminds me of the sonof the Lady of the Veil from
Game of Thrones. Can you seeit? Can you see it a little
bit? Yeah? Fuck? What'shis name? Dude? I don't remember

(01:23:00):
name, but I don't I knowwhat you're talking about. Yeah, I
know if they if they want tolike bring Jason Sindula back and like try
to make him a big deal likebringing bringing older Acorn, for sure.
Yeah, I think it'd be coolto continue the Sindula bloodline because Cham Sindula
was fucking awesome. The Liberator ofRyloth Hair is obviously fucking awesome. Canaan's

(01:23:21):
awesome. Do we want that orneed it? No? All right,
well I think that's all I haveon episode five, No per no Perkill's
going to hyper space do oh shit, my bad ship, my fault.
So Asoka the White straight rip fromthe Lord of the Ring and the Ring
that is like like a painful ripto like no, I like seeing it.

(01:23:44):
But I was just like, yo, like this is a straight up
like like almost like like oh,can I copy your home or it's like
yeah, just change it up alittle bit. Yeah, throw some spark
notes in there. Yeah, Yasokowith the White with Chill and Perils also
cool. I definitely was waiting tosee Purgills go into live action, and

(01:24:05):
I just kept on thinking about,like, Okay, what do people think
about whales and space going through hyperspace? Like books. I haven't seen GLA
Wars and Rebels. I feel likeit's like the most absurd thing to be
put on TV. I would tellyou I have a buddy that I'm an
overworld of warcraft that is absolutely antiPergil. But I'll throw this out there

(01:24:30):
too. In the fucking Doctor Africomic comic books, I don't know if
it's Fader, but somebody literally turnsa Pergil into like a hybrid like cyborg.
It's like half I s D halfper Gillez. No, it's super
fucked up. If you don't likethe Purgill the way they presented right now,

(01:24:53):
yeah not, you're not gonna likethem the other ways that they're presented
in Star Wars, I will sayI fucking love it because I think it's
kind of like how do I saythis? I think in life and like
the evolution of life in our ownworld, like, yeah, what we

(01:25:14):
have learned so much from just animalsand just like organisms and stuff, and
like how to create civilizations based onthat. I think it's an okay idea
to have a natural organism do somethingthat crazy before you could figure it out.
I'm sorry, I don't know ifthat makes any sense. But that's

(01:25:35):
that's just how I feel, manLike, I don't know, I love
it. I don't no, Ilove the per Gill space metals fucking rock.
Here's the one thing that bothered me. Okay, why Like okay,
every time, like in at theend of Star Wars Rebels, the per
Gill flew off with ships by attachingto them, And in this what the

(01:26:00):
fuck was up with like Ahsoka andhu Yang parking their ship inside of Whale's
mouth and flying off in hyper spaceand it was the Granddaddy too, dude,
it was the fucking big Boy.Yeah, no, they can all
fly through space. I would havemuch rather preferred if, like a smaller

(01:26:20):
one just like attached themselves to theship. I'll throw this out there.
I feel like, personally, i'drather because Ahsoka definitely makes that connection like
Ezra did. Right. Yeah,yeah, I personally feel like I'd be
more safe inside the mouth than attachedoutside of it. This guy's like if

(01:26:43):
it was a tribe of Pergils,Like this is the head of the tribe
right here. I fucking trust him. And she even says like to who
Yang, like we don't know wherewe're going, but she's just like smiling,
Yeah, we don't know where we'regoing. But what'd she say?
What did exactly just say? Likedid she say it's something like we're on
the right path. Yeah, Yeah, it's like I don't know where we're
going, but we're going like somewherelike something along those lines. But it's

(01:27:08):
kind of way cooler than that themost like most vague shit, you get
it. It's almost like like we'reit's like I don't know where we're going,
but we're going on an adventure likesome shit like that. You know,
Yeah, I know that. Thatwas really cool. You wanted it
too. We were talking about it, you like, I just want to
see him go to Hyperspaceman. Theydid it. They did it really really
well. Yeah, it definitely definitelyworked out pretty well, especially seeing them

(01:27:31):
Carson Tava being right like, yeah, you guys might up, you guys
might want to get out of theway. Taba is like trying to givin
some like you're not gonna believe me, And then finally they're like it's almost
kind of identical to like in Rebelswhen they first saw the Bergil, Like
the whole fleet is just like astonishedand amazed about what they're seeing right now.
Like it was, like I said, it's like what I said earlier

(01:27:54):
with like the whole like like thisepisode made me feel like like a young
Star Wars fan again, you know, like a little kid. It's like,
you know, all this like senseof wonder of watching all this stuff.
It did it more so this episodethan it did for episode three.
And yeah, no, it's reallyexciting just to see like potentially where they're
going to like a whole new galaxy. It's like it's just like blowing up

(01:28:15):
the world of Star Wars and it'spretty cool. And I'll just say like,
actually, pretty much every episode thatI watched, I've always watched them
late at night, so I've had, like you know, of per two,
maybe a glass of whiskey. Everysingle episode that's out so far,
Like I've definitely shed a tear,whether it's like mostly for pure joy,

(01:28:35):
because I just feel like my opinionabout Star Wars or like what I think
about Star Wars has been heard thrownout there as cheesy or like you know,
sentimental, as that sounds like that'show I feel like I even just
seeing a new character reintroduce, youknow, I'm like, oh my god,

(01:28:56):
this makes me so happy right now, and I feel like there's a
million different ways that felony could havegone so far. I'll just throw this
out there right now. I thinkfirst three episodes somewhere between a seven point
nine and eight out of ten,okay, but then four and five four
was a nine. Five is aten, so like average to like just

(01:29:17):
short of a nine for me sofar. The math is math in math
is math math. No. Yeah, as far as the rating is concerned,
I think I'm at a four tofive eight out of ten right now,
with episode five being like a five. I got a question for you,
though, Okay, do you thinkwe'll see more eye who the Owl?

(01:29:41):
They have to show up at somepoint, right, I feel like
they have to. Yeah, theyhave to show up at some point,
Like I'm surprised they're not around already. So we already know kind of like
what the observation platform looks like fromthe Eye of Zion, right, like
we've already seen it. Yeah,but in the trailer, Thron was on
that observation. Yeah, it's there'sthere's only a couple of shots that we've

(01:30:02):
seen in trailers that we haven't seenyet, and those shots are of thrown
like there there's a shot of himlooking at like looking at the eye of
sign and then there's like there's likea later trailer where they fully revealed like
you know, Larns Michelson's in facemakeup and stuff. Yeah, I'll throw
this question out there too. Idon't know if you brought this up.
I think you did. Will thisactually be a prequel to The Empire?

(01:30:28):
Oh, yeah, that's the one. Yeah, that's what that's what.
Well, we didn't ask that.That's just what I that's what the show
felt like. And I think we'dwatched like U four episodes in that that's
what definitely what the show feels like. It's like, uh, it's like
more of like a set up totheir adaptation of Air to the Empire,
more so than the show itself beingan adaptation of Air the Empire. Like,

(01:30:49):
I mean, if they try tothat, that would be absolute garbage.
If they tried to do, likein the next three episodes, trying
to do Aired the Empire, there'sno fucking way. That gives me two
more questions. So is it confirmedfor a season two yet? I don't
think so. No, so willthey get a second season? I think
they will get a second season.I think I read an article somewhere that

(01:31:11):
like the first two episodes got likecrazy viewership. It seems that like audiences
that haven't seen Clone Wars and Rebelsare enjoying it. Fans that saw Clone
Wars and Rebels are absolutely raving aboutit. I think it's I think it
will get a second season. Yeah. If it didn't, do you think
there would be another project that curtailsoff of it, like something like it
Aired to the Empire, like notled by Asoka. I don't know who

(01:31:36):
would they what would like they wouldhave to create a new show, possibly
with like like a Luke show orsomething, And I don't know that.
That's just what I'm curious though,because if it is prequel, a prequel
to Air to the Empire, thenif we're not getting into it in Asoka
season two, then what's the followup project going to be? You know?

(01:32:00):
Yeah? Or is that all we'regonna get? And then I'm just
left like crying in my fucking room. Yeah, or if or if there
is or if there is no Sokaseason two, then maybe then like they'll
they'll combine like Asoka season two withlike Filoni's movie making like a two and
a half hour movie or something.Well we got what Star Wars celebration Tokyo.

(01:32:21):
They could all they could announce anotherlike the next season of Asoka probably
like next year or something. Imean, the rate it's going, I
like, there's got to be asecond season. We're only halfway through or
just over halfway through, but it'sfucking fantastic so far. I mean,
I don't think I would change anythingabout what I've seen so far. I
don't know about you, Like,we we briefly talked about this, but

(01:32:43):
there were like rumors and supposedly theyshot something like this that within episode five,
like while they were doing like youknow, traveling different timelines and stuff
that we would possibly get like inan Anakin versus Asoka on Mustafar. Yeah,
and I'm like, yeah, no, like that would have been that
would have been interesting. But Ithink I like what we got more,

(01:33:05):
and what we got makes sense morethan going to Mustafar, because supposedly,
if we went to Moustafar, thatwould have meant that Anakin had actually killed
Obi Wan and mousta Far, andthen that just that like feeds like the
multiverse stuff, and I'm just like, no, no, no, let's
not do this. Yeah, that'sthat's why I don't like it. And

(01:33:26):
it just changes so many dynamics whenyou try to do something like that.
Again, goes back to what Isaid about piecing things together like throughout projects.
I just Asoka is where she's supposedto be, Anakin's where she's supposed
to be, Obi Wan's where he'ssupposed to be. You don't need a
tamper with that. As cool asit would be, like even if there
were just some fan made film aboutif Asoka was there, that'd be awesome,

(01:33:48):
but don't bring it into Cannon.Yeah no, I think that's pretty
much that. That is actually allI have for episode five. I think
what about you? Pretty much itfor me. I mean it's like,
leading up to doing this, BOD, I was just like episode five was
the only thing on my mind.Yeah. Yeah, it's just like you
know, no, it's it wasremarkable for sure. But with that though,

(01:34:09):
let me ask you one more question. Do you do you want or
do you think we need? Alive action Clone Wars adaptation with with Arianna
Greenblatt, with Yong Asoka, HaydenChristensen and in company. No, absolutely
not. Yeah, I'm good onit. I don't know why why why

(01:34:30):
would we don't need it? Wewe have, we have the animated show,
and I mean the only reason whyI could see this flying Like obviously
if they made it and it cameout, then I would watch it,
But I personally don't want it.But it would just to like it would
just be to bring Hayden Christensen intomore Star Wars stuff. That's the only
reason why I think it would becool, just to just to see him
in more. But other than that, like, I'm good, I don't

(01:34:53):
need that. I just don't thinklike budget wise, like if you're going
to do a live action Clone Warsadaptation number one, there's no way you're
gonna churn out or like dense offorty episodes. Yeah yeah, into like
a ten episode season or whatever youwant it to be in these days,
right, yeah, like most spinoff shows are about like ten episodes.

(01:35:16):
And also like that money that wouldbe poured into that can be put into
so many better projects. It alsomakes me go back to the whole like
anytime I try to convince somebody wholike like Star Wars, but they've really
only watched the movies to like,go go watch Clone Wars, go watch
Rebels. I just feel like peopledon't believe me, or they watch like

(01:35:40):
the first season or so, butthey haven't broken that wall to actually get
to the good content. I feellike those are the type of people that
would rather have a live action CloneWars. Oh, I can't watch an
anime because that's memes. The memesare everywhere, Like I don't watch cartoons.
Just go watch it. I mean, if you're listening right now and

(01:36:00):
you feel like you're missing something,you'll hit an episode in both Rebels and
Clone Wars where you're like, allright, this is dope. Yeah.
But we've said this so many timeson this podcast, like we've I've preaching
to the choir here. No,I'm not gonna lie to you or lie
to you guys. Like honestly,like for me, Clone Wars didn't really
like like it didn't really draw mein until probably like the third season.

(01:36:20):
And even so with Rebels, likeit didn't draw me in until like the
third season probably or like maybe likethe second half of season two, and
like even thinking more on it,I like just random thought I do.
I think I prefer Rebels to CloneWars mostly because they're brand new characters and
you're following, you're falling the sametight knit group of people throughout its tangential.

(01:36:45):
Clone Wars is everywhere for sure.Yeah, until you get to like
season seven, essentially, those aredefinitely worth a watch if if you like
Star Wars and you have an itch, especially seeing all this stuff. If
you feel like you're missing out watchingthe sofa, just put some time or
even just watch like a YouTube likegood recap, you know, yeah,
a good recap or I'm sure thereare like I'm sure Disney Plus has does

(01:37:09):
something like this, but there's probablylike like essential episodes that you need to
see or essential arcs that you needto see, like like I'm sure there's
a Reddit read on that or something. No, they're really good at doing
that too. If you want towatch this, watch these. But yeah,
I know, I guess my finalpoint to just drive it home like
this. I mentioned this earlier,but just to reiterate, like this definitely

(01:37:30):
felt like the when Jon Favre wassaying that this show that Ahsoka is like
Dave Flowing's magnum Opus. It's likeYeah, this episode was it because we
got to see like parts of theClone Wars in live action. We got
to see Siege Mandalor, which Idid not expect to see. I was
not expecting to see fucking Cige Mandalorand live action. That was crazy.

(01:37:53):
I couldn't believe he had that upas sleeve. And then just I'm sure
he like was just dying to workwith Hayden grew Stinson just because like he
had worked with you know, bigrespect to like Matt. I think his
name is Matt Lanter, the guythe voice over for Anakin and the Clone
Wars, you know, but it'sit's different when he actually get to work
with the guy that originally did it, and he could tell like the way

(01:38:15):
that like Hayden does everything in there. Like, for one, I think
this is the best that Hayden's everbeen. Like granted, like you know,
I talked shit about his performances andprequels all the time, but I
think this is like the best useof what he can do as an actor.
Really played to like his talent,so like just even him just like

(01:38:35):
in that Clone Wars flashback where he'slike he's like smiling and stuff, you
know, it's like like Kasoka's like, this is the Clone Wars. And
then he looks back just like biggestsmile in the face, like yeah,
no kidding. I was like,this is good stuff. So it's just
good stuff, real good stuff.Any any final thoughts from you? No,

(01:38:56):
you couldn't have driven it home better. I mean I feel like for
having a like a halfway through theseason episode, I can go one of
two ways. I mean, we'reeither going to be disappointed or we're just
gonna continually have our minds blown.And I definitely think we're going to continually
have our minds blown. I hopeso. I think so. I think
so. I mean, like likehow you're referring to this being Feloni's magnum

(01:39:21):
opus. This is like Star Warsfans opportunities to really speak their mind and
being like, this is the guy. And in an interview, Feloni said,
you have no idea how much ofthe guy I am when he first
got gassed to do or higher todo Clown Wars while he was making a

(01:39:42):
plocoon cosplay in in his garage.It only goes up from here. Every
every episode had me tearing up fordifferent reasons, and episode five was just
fuck a dagger through the heart ina good way, like a healing almost.
I'm fucking so ready for next Tuesday. Unfortunately it'll be the first well

(01:40:05):
fortunately I should say that's my firstday of work. If it's stressful,
I'm coming home fucking banging that episodeout. Well, you work at eight
am, so hopefully you're back beforesix. I'll be home. I'll be
home like right at six. Okay, Well you don't watch the episodes until
later in the evening enemy a right, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

(01:40:25):
you'll be fine. I don't postspoilers, really, I give it
at least twenty four hours. Somespoilers out of context posts are totally fine.
Yeah, I like those. WhenI understand them, I like them.
I have one more cheeky comment folkssaying it's like, oh, like
Dave Filoni's Star Wars is so muchbetter than Disney Star Wars. I'm just

(01:40:46):
like, that doesn't make any sense. You're you're creating a dichotomy. Stop
that. Yeah, it's like whyare you why are you creat Yeah,
why are you creating the beef?Like like, obviously Dave Filoni's Star Wars
is technically Disney Star Wars, youknow. But yeah, take it for
what you will. But Kathleen Kennedyis an executive producer on Asoka. You

(01:41:11):
just gotta let it go, folks. Gotta let it go. Leave Kathleen
alone just for a little bit,you guys. But anyways, that's all
I got. That's it. Thiswas fine, This was fine. This
is a go one to me tocome back for. We'll be back once
the show and I might record somethingelse in between, but we'll see how
it goes. But that is it, folks. Thanks for listening. As

(01:41:33):
always, please check us out onour socials and until then, we'll catch
you in episode one twenty four andmay the Force be with you.

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