‘Deadpool & Wolverine’ Review, RDJ Returns, and Thoughts on ‘The Fantastic Four’ Footage

Episode Transcript
Available transcripts are automatically generated. Complete accuracy is not guaranteed.
Speaker 1 (00:15):
What oh, folks, and welcome to the Chairoculture episode one
thirty two with myself depok and returning to the show
today is mister Hayden Kotris of the Dive In Movie cast. Hayden,
how are you man? It's it's always a long time
since you, since you come and go from from the pod.
But how's everything going?

Speaker 2 (00:32):
Good man? I'm doing I'm doing great. I'm excited to
be back on the pod second home, although I'm not
visiting the home as much as I used to. Yeah. No,
I'm excited to talk to Dead Pull the Wolverine. I'm
excited to talk to MCU. It feels like this is
the only safe space I have to talk about the MCU,
because whenever we do an MCU pod on the Dive In,
it's just like the only episodes that seem to just

(00:54):
never land with our audience. So I've just accepted, Oh no,
that's like I need to I need to quiet down
at the MCU. But whenever I'm invited on here to
talk about it, I always have so much to say.

Speaker 1 (01:04):
Hell yeah, hell yeah, no, You're always welcome here to
talk to the MCU. Yeah, I know we were briefly
chatting about it's like for both of us, we've just
been insanely busy that neither of us have a ton
of time for our shows. So it's nice to that
we're able to, like, you know, get together for this
one because dead Pole is is. Uh, there's a lot
to talk about there. For starters, please follow us on socials,

(01:25):
the chypriculture, We're on all of them. We're on Twitter, Instagram, TikTok, uh, letterbox,
what have you. But what about you, Hayden, where are
you guys on socials?

Speaker 2 (01:36):
Yeah, we're on TikTok, Instagram, at the Dive in Movie
Cast and on X or Twitter or whatever. I still
can't fully bring myself to call it X.

Speaker 1 (01:45):
I'm never gonna call it X. I'm never gonna call
it X. There's no way on elon be so for real.

Speaker 2 (01:51):
But on there we're at dive in Movie Cast instead
of just without the and yeah, I think. And then
you can find us on Spotify, Apple Podcast wherever you
get your podcast at the dive in Movie Cast.

Speaker 1 (02:00):
So since, uh, since it has been a while. Even
though we're not podcasting or writing reviews on our respective
social media pages, we are still watching movies mostly for
our own enjoyment, not feeling like that we are obligated
to do, you know, reviews or whatever. I want to
hear from you. What is your What is like one

(02:23):
favorite watch? They like, one favorite thing that you've seen recently.

Speaker 2 (02:28):
I know you've already talked about it a little bit,
but and I'm gonna be doing an episode on it,
so I'm not gonna get too much into it. But
I loved Long Legs. Long Legs Nice is in my
I think it's my top three of the year. It's
right after Dune and Challengers. That movie feels like it
was made in a lab. For me, man, I love
like police procedurals, serial killer dramas, uh and Nick Cage

(02:50):
is one of my favorite actors. So when you put
all those things together, it's just I was ecstatic to
see it. I was ecstatic that it lived up to
my expectations for it. I think that that movie is
a really interesting in regards to the hype machine and
how when you overhype a movie a little too much,
it actually serves no positive effect on the movie. I
saw it opening night, and so when I left the theater,

(03:11):
I was riding on a high. I felt fucked up
and freaked out. Yeah, I think that that movie is
such an interesting movie in regards to the fact that
it's one of the biggest movies of the summer and
it's this weird, fucked up, Satan like Satan worshiping serial
killer drama, and it's like, just I think it did

(03:33):
better than Furiosa at the box office, which is just
no art.

Speaker 1 (03:37):
That is bizarre.

Speaker 2 (03:38):
Actually, how do we get a random movie where Nick
Cage plays a deformed serial killer doing better than a
Mad Max movie. It's bizarre. But no. I watched Long Legs.
I've seen it twice, loved it even more on a rewatch,
found even more in the background and Hayden in the
frames on a rewatch, and I still haven't stopped thinking
about it. And it's been near, I think nearly a

(03:58):
month since I've seen it. So that's one of my
favorites of the year. What about you, though, anything anything
that you've watched that stands out.

Speaker 1 (04:04):
For you recently. I'll just go with the last movie
that I saw. I saw d D. Have you heard
of this one?

Speaker 2 (04:11):
I have, and I'm very excited for it. There's still
no showings listed on the website, first in a plex
and kid here in Canada. So I'm just counting the
days until I hear more about it.

Speaker 1 (04:21):
So yeah, I know, d D. It's it's kind of
what you'd expect out of a out of a coming
of age like film. I'd see. I'd say, that's like
the only thing that like knocks down for me is
that it does follow like you know, classic like coming
of age tropes. Like for me, it's very like like
I'm thirty about to turn thirty one, so I was
very I was a teenager like in the in the

(04:43):
early two thousands, and that's kind of what this uh
where this movie takes place. The kid, the main character, DDI,
was born in nineteen ninety four. I was born in
ninety three, And it's pretty much just him, just you know,
going through the suburbs, trying to make friends, trying to
find community, and like he always like tries different things

(05:05):
and it almost seems like he he's not really sure
where he fits. It's really touching just because like there's
moments where I don't know if you've ever heard of
like aol instant messenger. Oh yeah, yeah, I was alrighty okay, okay, cool. Yeah, No,
there's a lot of that, a lot of the humor
just like stupid shit that teenagers would do online. It's
it's just really really funny. There's like family drama, generational trauma,

(05:30):
all that stuff just roped in together and it's I
think it's just really well done. No, I won't I
won't say too much of anything else just because you
haven't seen it yet. But this kid was like, it's
like this little Asian kid and he's also a skateboarder.
So I definitely like it's one of those movies like
it's almost like kind of like corny and a cliche
thing to say, but a movie where I was like, damn,
that is actually like me on screen, you know, or

(05:53):
like that's like my childhood up there, and I thought
that was really cool that I got to experience something
like that. So but it's really like cool just for
anybody that's that was like a teenager in the early
two thousands, Like I think anyone will be able to
appreciate this movie.

Speaker 2 (06:07):
Coming of age movies are one of my favorite genres,
you know, like Perks Being Wallflowers one of my favorite
movies of all time. Do you think as somebody who
was born in the year two thousand that I will
still find pieces of myself in it.

Speaker 1 (06:21):
Oh yeah, for sure. I mean if you already know,
if you know aol instant messenger, then yes, you understand
like most of it.

Speaker 2 (06:27):
And you know, I was skateboarding a lot, and like,
you know, not the early two thousands, but the late
two thousands, and so that was. Yeah, I feel like
maybe there's parts of myself that I could see in that,
and so I'm really excited for it.

Speaker 1 (06:40):
Well he uh, he's a freshman in high school. But
I think the year two thousand and nine. Okay, so
if that like tracks, you know, but yeah, I know
it's awesome. It's it's really cool. Like if I think
on it more like right now, I have a A four
and a half out of five, it might stay. We'll
see that. That's how it is from. If I really

(07:01):
like something and I'm like, fuck, that was fantastic, I'll
leave it out a four and a half. But depending
on how much longer I think on it for and
I'm like, I think I need to see it one
more time, then I'll like bump it up to a five.
But you know, we'll see I.

Speaker 2 (07:13):
Told myself at the beginning of the year that I
was gonna be more harsh as a critic and that
I was gonna not like, you know, give out fives
as easily as I have in the past and stuff
like that, and pretty much everything I've been watching recently,
I'm just like, that's a four. That's a four and
a half. That's a four, four and a half, Like
fives are reserved for a special caliber of filmmaking. I
was just gonna say, did you see Twisters?

Speaker 1 (07:34):
Twisters is a blast?

Speaker 2 (07:36):
That was a blast? Yeah, that just to not sit
with the dreariness of Long Legs and give another recommendation
of just a stupid fun time. Twisters feels like a
nineties blockbuster in every sense of the word, except it
was made in the year twenty twenty four. So it's
like really interesting because it feels like a real throwback
to like a type of like mindless blockbuster in a
good way. I don't mean that in a bad way

(07:57):
that we just don't really see anymore. The second Anthony
Raymond shows up and he's just like worked for the
military for three years and they gave me a couple
of prototypes to stop tornadoes. I was like, this is
fucking stupid. I love I love it, Like, let's go,
I was, I was locked in. Also, just Glen Powell
is a movie star.

Speaker 1 (08:15):
He's the man of the summer for real, with with
Hitman and with this and with anyone but you.

Speaker 2 (08:20):
He's had a crazy year. I'm really excited to see
where his career goes in the following couple of years,
because he's kind of like this type of recognizable face
and movie star in a way that we don't really
get a lot of them anymore. Twisters is one of
those weird things too, where it's like I wanted to
do a podcast on it, and then I was like,
what more do I have to say other than this
fucking rocks? You know, Like that's kind all that there is.

(08:42):
I find it really bizarre that that's directed by Lee
Isaac Chung, who did Minario. I don't know how he
ended up here, And people were kind of talking about
did Hollywood swallow you whole and make you make a
blockbuster that you didn't want to make? And he's like, no, no,
He's like, I very much wanted to make this movie.
He's like, this was exactly what I wanted to do
after Manari because I felt like it was a really

(09:03):
interesting test of my skills as a filmmaker, like can
I do personal semi autobiographical drama and then also just
do like kind of ambulance Spielberg Blockbuster. And I think
he passed the test. And it's a weird career to
go from Minari to Twisters, But I'm excited for what
else he does because that's a that's a hard pivot

(09:25):
to make, and I think he nailed.

Speaker 1 (09:26):
It well Manari. Uh, correct me if I'm wrong. But
Manari is like it's a story about like an immigrant
family coming to America and making a life for themselves
in like rural America. Right.

Speaker 2 (09:38):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (09:39):
So the way I saw it, where it kind of
like clicks and makes sense in my head, is that
like he's telling like a like an American, like a
personal American story in the in like rural America, and
then like he's just taken that and telling another American
story in just like the redneck eha.

Speaker 2 (09:58):
Like version of America.

Speaker 1 (10:00):
Right. So it's like honestly kind of tracks like he
just wants to do the like the big blockbuster version
instead of doing like he did the personal story. Now
he wants to have some fun and it within the
same like vein of like rural America.

Speaker 2 (10:15):
You know, No, it's true. There actually is more similarities
there than I might be given credit for. Like it's
both very like you said, very rural American stories, just
from different perspectives.

Speaker 1 (10:25):
Okay, one more before we move on from Twisters Twister
or Twisters.

Speaker 2 (10:30):
Twisters for sure?

Speaker 1 (10:32):
Oh yeah, I'm definitely Twisters.

Speaker 2 (10:35):
So the night before I went to see Twisters, I
watched Twister. I've never seen it before. I watched a
lot of those, you know, old nineties blockbusters. I usually
have seen most of them, whether it was with my
mom and my dad or whether I just went and
I seeked it out on my own, but I had
never seen Twister. Watched it and I was like, I
don't really get it. It's not that good. And listen,

(10:55):
I love that stuff, like I love like a nineties
like will they Won't They romance between people who seem
like they hate each other, and I love like a
nineties blockbuster. But that I just I don't know. It
didn't really hit for me. I thought it was there's
elements that I liked the bill Paxton performance in particular
is fucking awesome. That movie is just I don't know.
I was a little bored watching it. I was like,

(11:15):
first off, there's not a lot of tornadoes going on,
considering this is called Twister. I feel like Twisters takes
that idea that they had in the nineties, and like
the technology is just a lot better now, so they
can just do that premise much more successfully. So I'm
going Twisters for sure.

Speaker 1 (11:32):
But Okay, awesome, there's some good wrecks. But before we
move on, let's just take a quick break for Samats.
All right, and we're back. A couple of weeks ago
was San Diego Comic Con. We're just gonna talk about
the MCU stuff that came out, not gonna talk about
all of it, just some of it, the biggest stories
out of there. Let's first talk about the Fantastic four footage.

(11:56):
So Fantastic four. Pedro Pascal has read Richard's Joseph Quinn
as Johnny Storm Eben ah Man, I can't I can't
say his last name.

Speaker 2 (12:09):
Evan moss Backrack, I think is his name.

Speaker 1 (12:12):
Evan moss Backrack Okay as Ben Grim as the Thing,
and then Vanessa herby as Storm did already say, directed
by Max Shackman, I hope so anyway, but they did
a whole thing where it's like they they got the
fantastic car, they like flew it through the yeah through
like the through hall ah. That was pretty fun. They

(12:33):
brought the cast out on stage and it was great.
But something that they showed to the attendees that wasn't
released to the public, but of course shout out to
people that like to leak videos online. We got to
see like a little bit of test footage and test
anomatics for the film. So the way that I see
it is like they they did this test footage and
it was I feel like it was filmed specifically for

(12:56):
Comic Con, just that they could like show a couple
of things off. It was like, you know, pre visual effects.
It's like retro retro future futuristic New York City, Like
it takes place in the city. The film takes place
in the sixties, but it's like what people in the
sixties imagine the future would look like. Go ahead.

Speaker 2 (13:16):
It felt it felt like The Jetsons. If you've ever
watched that show that was The Jetsons. Very the Jetsons Yeah.

Speaker 1 (13:23):
I loved it. I loved it, like from the music
to like the the optimism and like the good vibes
and all that. It did very much feel like the
Jetsons or like like tomorrow Land or whatever you know.
But no, I I love the even though it was
just test footage. I think they're they're gonna keep that,
like the same vibe, that that fun sixties vibe that

(13:43):
was very much like the like the first two episodes
of One Division. I think that's what they're just gonna
go with. I think it's gonna be awesome. Michael Giacchino's
doing the score, and I love the music and the trailer.
Like he was in an interview recently, it's like, what
are you gonna do to like make sure that you
just don't remake this score for the Incredibles. I'm like, well,
I mean I think he's gonna do. He's doing a

(14:05):
pretty good jobs so far. But now under you know, yeah,
no fucking way. What else did you think about about
the footage or what do you think about the Fantastic
Four movie in general?

Speaker 2 (14:16):
It better be good.

Speaker 1 (14:18):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (14:18):
I think that they have a lot riding on this movie,
and I know everybody's like, no, the real important thing
is the X Man, and I yes, for sure, But
Fantastic Four is a group of characters that are iconic
and that everybody knows, and yet nobody can name anything
from the last twenty years worth giving a fuck about
that has to do with the Fantastic Four, you know,

(14:40):
like they are iconic in this weird way where they're
just like kind of absorbed into pop culture through osmosis.
But like I can't name a good Fantastic Four movie
or show. It's all just the comics. I think it
needs to be good, and I really want it to
be good because it's got a fantastic cast. Matt Shackman
did one Division right, Yeah. I think getting him as

(15:02):
director is a very smart choice because he's proven that
he can do that kind of fifties vibe really well.
I think it looks unique. I think it seems like
a tonally, like a breath of fresh air in the MCU,
which I find myself saying all the time, but I
actually feel like this looks special and different from a
lot of the stuff we've seen. I think the idea

(15:23):
of it being set somewhere else in the multiverses did
they say this is Earth six one six or is
it something else altogether?

Speaker 1 (15:30):
I think it has to be in a different universe.
I think everything everything they do moving forward has to
be in a different universe, just because like they can't
pull like in Eternals and just say like oh, they
just couldn't interfere, or they just weren't around at the time,
you know, they they have to because Fantastic four you
need that like shared family and relationship, and same deal

(15:53):
with the X Men. Like I kind of feel like
that's where they're going with this, Like they're gonna just
pull them all from different universes and they're all gonna
end up in the MCU six one six or whatever
whatever the r MCU is, you know.

Speaker 2 (16:06):
Yeah they I think that's a good idea too, because
for an entire phase of the MCU that's been centered
around the multiverse, we have not seen a lot of
the multiverse, and I think that having like this big
story centered around such a prominent, important group of characters
that set elsewhere in the multiverse, I think is a
great idea. And I think seeing how things will come
together for the next Avengers movie, where it's been confirmed

(16:29):
that they're going to be in. It is exciting, and
I think Galactus is gonna be a great villain to
see on the big screen. I think everybody's kind of
been waiting to see when that would happen and if
that would be like a big bad or how they
were going to do it. But I think having the
Fantastic Four taking on Galactus is such a giant threat
that it immediately proves to audiences why they're so important

(16:50):
to the MCU and just such an important group of characters.
I always love Fantastic Four growing up and like as
a kid, like love like the comic runs and seeing
them in like animation and every thing like that. Doom
is like my favorite Marble villain, which we will we
will get to in a minute, but but I'm I'm
really excited for this and I really want it to
be as good as I'm hoping it's going to be

(17:11):
because the m needs it. They need like Dead Pull
and Wolverine Hit and again we'll also talk about that,
but that also doesn't matter for the MCU. They need
something like this that is pivotal to the future of
the stories, pivotal characters to to really land and based
on what I've heard about it and would have seen
it looks like this, this could be that.

Speaker 1 (17:33):
Speaking of Galactis, I also think they really have a
good voice actor for it. Ralph and Niessen. You know
who that is.

Speaker 2 (17:41):
Yeah, he's He's in The Witch, The.

Speaker 1 (17:45):
Witch, the Green Knight as well, like he's the Big
Tree Night. I think, Yeah, that.

Speaker 2 (17:51):
Is a crazy gravelly voice on that man.

Speaker 1 (17:54):
He is, no, it is. It is a great voice
for it. Like the more I think about him, just like, wow,
they kind of nailed it there.

Speaker 2 (18:01):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (18:02):
So the rumor is that's how the Fantastic Four end
up in six one six, is that Galactus is gonna
win at the end of this movie and uh, Fantastic
for somehow escape, like he destroys their universe and they
somehow escape. So that that kind of seems like, yeah,
I'd be into that. It's like it's like an interesting idea,

(18:25):
like interesting enough, you know.

Speaker 2 (18:27):
Yeah, because I mean even with Thanos and how he
he won, it's not as crazy as a thing as
Galactus destroying your whole universe universe and you getting sent
to another universe as like barely surviving, especially in their
first movie too, like they are the first family. They

(18:47):
are so important to Marvel and it's been so long
since we've even had them in the culture, So I
just think that this could be something really special for
Marvele and for Superhuman to like. These are a group
of characters that I think everybody wants to see done well,
and I think everybody's just gonna be kind of waiting,
And I think Marvel is aware that all the pieces

(19:09):
need to fall into place for this and that they can't.
They can't churn this one out the way they have
done with previous projects. So I think that there's a
lot writing on it.

Speaker 1 (19:19):
No, and I can talk to any of my own
friends that have mostly like fell off of the mcu
L or there are folks that pretty much just have
lost interests to after endgame. Everyone just says like, nah,
I think I'm just waiting until Fantastic four and the
X Men come around. Like the general audience, it like
already knows like it's coming.

Speaker 2 (19:40):
That's the thing, Like the are these are characters that, like,
whatever people's connections with them may be, You talk to
anybody about the Fantastic Four if they're even slightly interested
in like pop culture and comic book storytelling, and everybody's
just like, fuck, yeah, when's that come out. I'll be there,
we'll see.

Speaker 1 (19:54):
Man, I hope it's good.

Speaker 2 (19:55):
But the test footage is it's cool though, man, Like, yeah,
I hadn't seen it. Actually, I wasn't to find it,
and you sent me a link before we started and
I checked it out and I was like, they got
the vibe really really down pat Like this looks really cool.

Speaker 1 (20:07):
Like I liked the casting choice from the beginning of
Patro pascal Is as read, A lot of people weren't.
He's locked in for it, you know, like just that
little bit, that little clip of him in the beginning
of the footage, like you could tell that he's like
he's locked in. He's good to go.

Speaker 2 (20:24):
Mean to talk down on anyone who doesn't like the
casting choice, but it's just like, please stop crying over
John Krasinsky and move on, guys.

Speaker 1 (20:33):
Like yeah, honestly, I won't even lie to you.

Speaker 2 (20:35):
From what I saw from John Krasinsky in Doctor Stranger
the Multiverse, manis, I was like, this, actually, isn't the
guy for this role. Like I wasn't that impressed with
his portrayal of the character. He wasn't in the movie
that long. But I was just like, maybe we can
do better, and I think that brief stuff of seen
from Pedro and also just how much I like Pedro

(20:56):
as an actor. I was like, this is this is
a good casting choice. I feel like the nitpicks for
that are are kind of nonsensical.

Speaker 1 (21:03):
When folks talk about the MCU a lot, it's like
it's like, oh, you wanted the mc like. People will say,
like speaking in defense of the mc they will say like, oh,
you guys ask for this and ask for that, as
for this the other you got it, you didn't like it.
Have ever heard people say that. I feel like John
Krasinski is like a good example.

Speaker 2 (21:21):
Of everybody was like this is perfect, make it happen,
and then we got it. We were like, eh, maybe
we don't need it. Maybe no, let's.

Speaker 1 (21:29):
Let's just walk it back. Yeah. Yeah, anyways, Yeah, that's
a fantastic for now here. Here's the big news at
a comic con, I was kind of disappointed that, like,
this is the stuff that drowned out because the discourse
is hot on this one. The news is that Robert
Downey Junior is gonna be returning to the MCU as

(21:51):
doctor Doom. And when I I don't know which Russo
is which, but one of them like specifically says, like
before they bring him on stage, like this is the
greatest actor to ever do it, and he's the only
guy that can properly do Victor von Doom. And then
you know it's Robert Downing Jr. Yeah, So he specifically

(22:11):
says Victor von Doom. So we're not sure if it's
like if he's actually doctor Doom or if he's like
a variant of Tony Stark that becomes doctor Doom, you
know what I mean. So, like I think my first
thought was when I when I first read the announcement,
definitely like got excited. I was like, I was like, whoa,
Like Robert Downing Junior is back, And I was just

(22:33):
kind of like that, that's kind of sick. And then
I let it settle down for a little bit and
I was like, damn, this is probably one of the
one of the greatest pivots away from like like they
Marvel had a plan, right, I feel like they were
like banking it all on, Like Jonathan Major's is king.
All of his stuff happened, and now like fuck, what

(22:55):
do we do? It's like, Okay, you know what, let's
bring back j and just made me think like they
brought back Artij, they brought back the Russo's. I'm just
like Marvel is currently in like their greatest hits era.

Speaker 2 (23:10):
I felt the same way as you, where it's like
that sentence, like you read the headline Robert Doney Junior
cast as Victor von Doom, and your immediate just gut
reaction is like holy fuck. And then yeah, you give
it like thirty minutes and you're like, okay, what does
this mean? And then you give it another thirty minutes
and you're like, this is desperate. I can smell it

(23:30):
from here. This is like they are trying so hard
to be like, guys, you used to love this shit,
Please come back, Please enjoy this the way you used
to love it. And I'm this really weird mix for
it of like we're so back question Mark, you know,
like it's yeah, am I excited about it? Like, yeah,
it's Ardij, But is he the guy for Victor Vondom? No?

(23:54):
Like I the more I thought about it, and especially
that sentence where he's like the only actor who could
play Victor von Doom, I'm like brother, have you heard
of Killian Murphy? You know, like there's just there's a
couple names that I feel like you could spout off
that are as good, if not better, casting choices immediately,
Like if we're doing the dark Tony Stark variant thing,

(24:16):
I'm so out on that. I think Victor von Doom
is one of Marvel's best antagonists of all time period,
and I think the idea of him just being like
bad Iron Man, you know, like I've been seeing all
these jokes of just like Spider Man being like, is
that you, mister Stark and he's like, no, I hate
you three thousand and it's funny. But at the same

(24:38):
point in time, like I really don't want that to
be what they're doing with those character because that character
is complex and scary and exciting. Just having RDJ come
back and play the hits just to get asses and
seats feels cheap. But at the same point in time,
it is something that I'm like, I'm not out on it,
like I especially when I first seen it, Like my
first reaction to was like this is so fun and sick.

(25:00):
It's just with some distance from the actual announcement where
I'm like they need to really get this right, because
if they fuck up Doctor Doom like it's bad, it's
really bad.

Speaker 1 (25:10):
What I'm on board with because he's he's like a
big I'm just assuming here is that, like he's a
big multiversal threat, right, and there's probably gonna be like
multiple variants of Doom who all work like together. So
what I'm thinking is is that like he's just gonna
be like a taste for Doctor Doom, and then there's
actually gonna be like another variant that's actually pulling the strings,

(25:33):
and that's gonna be portrayed by a different actor. So
I could see I could see them going that route.
I think that something like that could be done, could
be done well, especially if you cast someone like you know,
what if it is Killean Murphy, you know what I mean?
Like that would be sick. But also what if they
what if they just brought back the original six Avengers

(25:53):
and then just made them like people like what if?
What if? What if Chris Evans comes back to Captain Hydra?
What are you gonna do? Are you in for that?

Speaker 2 (26:03):
The thing is that too, I think that a certain
demographic of people would eat it up. They'd be like, yeah,
we're so back, and for me, it's just like I
think it's simultaneously exciting and also just kind of desperate,
you know, like it you can see just from a
business standpoint, like if you just imagine how the meeting goes. Fuck,

(26:24):
Jonathan Major's is out, what do we do? And just
somebody just raises their hand and they're like, RDJ, We're
just we're trying so hard to just bring people back
to what they like about this stuff. But the thing
about RDJ is that he's a perfect iron man, Like
he's really not who I would imagine for a character
like Victor von Doom, especially because Doom doesn't take his
fucking mask off like ever. So the idea that, like,

(26:46):
are we gonna spend that much on Robert Danney Junior
to have his face concealed the whole time? I would
imagine not. But if he doesn't have his mask on,
we're kind of squandering the whole point of the character,
which is he had a minor facial imperfection and put
that mask on for the rest of his life. He's
a perfectionist. And so I just think the idea of
having Robertdenny Junior, who certainly wasn't cheap. I heard that

(27:08):
he costs more to get back than the Rusher brothers.

Speaker 1 (27:11):
I just know that that Variety report those numbers are
fucking insane, like private trailer park and all that shit.
I'm like, WHOA, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (27:20):
I think it's I think it's exciting and very worrisome.
I want them to be doing cool shit, and I
think this is different in a certain way, like it
is exciting, but it also is just it feels desperate.
It feels like a Coppo too, Like I was reading
that they're just gonna throw in a random line of
dialogue in one of their upcoming movies that are like

(27:40):
we pruned the King stuff before it could get out
of control. We stopped it. And I'm just like, that's
what we're that's what we're doing, Like we just spent
like four years setting this up, and you're just gonna
be like, don't worry about it. We got rid of it.
It's done. So I don't know, it's it's weird. I
have a lot of thoughts.

Speaker 1 (27:56):
On it, like what if they're just like, oh, doom,
blew up that call to see him that I had
like millions of Kang.

Speaker 2 (28:04):
Yeah, Doom was like, no, enough, we're not doing this,
and then they're like, see the big bad it's been
him all along.

Speaker 1 (28:11):
Yeah, so we'll see about it. I'm very much like,
you know, I'm not gonna write it off, like I'm
not gonna automatically assume like just because it is desperate.
Like I'm still like like, how are you gonna pull
this off? You know, how are you?

Speaker 2 (28:22):
How are you gonna do it? And that's why I
feel so conflicted about it is because it's like it's
simultaneously really stupid and also really exciting. So it does
render like the last like four years of Marvel storytelling
completely obsolete though, like they were really just like yeah,
Kang got beat up by ants and then in Loki
he just like got turned into like spaghetti, like a

(28:43):
whole bunch, and then now he's done.

Speaker 1 (28:45):
So it's it's weird, like I get it, like you
could end the story there because I mean, he did die,
you know, so like I.

Speaker 2 (28:53):
Mean, Loki does like season two does kind of right
some of the wrongs of the whole Kang storyline where
it's just like but leave you know, spoilers for Loki.
But I believe season two pretty much ends with like
the young him being sent on a different path in
his life that doesn't lead him to becoming he who remains.

Speaker 1 (29:10):
Right, Yeah, something like that.

Speaker 2 (29:12):
Yeah, so like you can just say that's it, that's
that's that right there. But I think when you know
that that wasn't what it was supposed to be, it
just feels a little weird.

Speaker 1 (29:20):
Yeah, right, like it's you know, you just know, it's
them pivoting. That's the only that's the only issue. Like
it's like, yeah, playing the only card that they have.

Speaker 2 (29:31):
Jonathan Major's unknowingly created a canon event. It's insane the
ramifications of you know, I'm not going to get into
the whole legality of that case, but the ramifications of
that just completely altered one of the biggest franchises in history.

Speaker 1 (29:46):
It's just, yeah, I think part of me is also
like Dan. I think they had a chance here to
just maybe try and recast, but maybe they still can.
I don't know. Like the weirdest thing.

Speaker 2 (29:58):
Too, is like this is the multiverse, Like you could
literally just be like that's Kang. What do you mean,
I don't know what you're talking about. That's always been Kang,
And like I don't think anybody would have really been like,
what the fuck, because the whole thing about this story
is like variants. I don't know, it felt like they
really could have easily just been like, kept the Kang
thing going. But I guess also the Kang storyline wasn't working,

(30:18):
and I think that they knew it wasn't landing the
way they wanted it to land.

Speaker 1 (30:21):
Yeah, the pivot I.

Speaker 2 (30:22):
Think goes beyond the Jonathan Major stuff, where it was
just like, this story is not people are not clicking
with it. It's just not doing it right, especially after
Thanos too, Like the Kang stuff just wasn't hidden, and
I think I think that they became aware of that
and that this is their attempt to create a Thanos
level big bad.

Speaker 1 (30:40):
I think there's a part of me that also thinks
like they couldn't recast him because it's possibly part of like,
you know, Jonathan Major's contract that he made with Disney,
you know, so there's probably bits of it where we
just don't know right what goes on behind the scenes.
But yeah, So those are the two big MCU things
out of Comic Con that I just wanted to touch on.

Speaker 2 (31:03):
How are you feeling Joe, are we so back?

Speaker 1 (31:05):
I you know, I don't think I was ever out.
I was always out here just saying like it's so
fucking over, just ironically, like I never actually thought it
was over, you know what. I'm just saying it's over
just because it's funny to say, because people get work
over it, you know.

Speaker 2 (31:20):
Yeah, it's just so fun to be like, we're so back,
so over, just on like an alternating basis of each move,
each project.

Speaker 1 (31:27):
It's it's the masculine or to say we're so back
twenty minutes after saying it's over. Yeah, yeah, but yeah
no I I yeah, no, We're so fucking back. So
we're so back. But okay, let's do our own little pivot,
uh to just one little teaser because I know, you know,
both of us are are big fans of the Last

(31:47):
of Us franchise. We got like our first like twenty
five second teaser for season two. You know, he had
Catherine O'Hara pretty much just asking Leo, like you fucking
saved Ellie, Like what the fuck what's going on here?
But now much else? You don't really get much else.
It's just kind of that conversation between I'm not even

(32:08):
sure who's Catherine and Harris supposed to be.

Speaker 2 (32:10):
It's a great question because the scene in the game
that this is attempting to mirror takes place between Joel
and Tommy.

Speaker 1 (32:16):
Oh okay.

Speaker 2 (32:17):
Tommy is asking Joel like, what did you do? Did
you hurt her?

Speaker 1 (32:21):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (32:21):
What happened? And then Joel's like, I saved her? Like that.
That's the opening scene of Last Nights too, and that's
between Joel and Tommy. So I'm not sure who this
character is supposed to be. There is a lot of
like if you've played the game, there's quite a bit
here to chew on that just happens in like quick
one second flashes. We see a lot of the core cast,
Like we see Dina, we see Abby very briefly see Abby,

(32:42):
but you do you do see her?

Speaker 1 (32:44):
Who who's the actress?

Speaker 2 (32:46):
Caitlyn Deaver And she was always like the leading fan
cast for for Ellie, which I think creates this like
the whole point of like the in the stories of
the Abbey and Ellie characters, they're kind of a duality.
So I think having the actress that everybody wanted to
be Ellie playing Abby is very smart casting. But no
I mean I'm hyped. You know that I've this is

(33:07):
my favorite video game of all time. It's one of
my favorite stories of all time, especially Part two, which
is divisive and people love it or people hate it,
but for me, it's one of the most important stories
that I ever experienced. For me, so I'm very hyped,
and I don't think I needed this trailer to sell
me on it, but I'm very interested.

Speaker 1 (33:27):
Yeah. No, I mean I think I just need some more.
I think I have some time, but I think I
was always talking to you about how like when season
one was airing, I was playing the first game like
while the season was going, so I kind of spoiled
it for myself. But you know, it is what it is. Fine,
I still have to get into and play part two.
I haven't done Part two yet. Maybe that's that's next

(33:48):
on the list because I just mounted a TV at
my apartment and have some time.

Speaker 2 (33:54):
So you haven't played part two yet?

Speaker 1 (33:56):
Oh no, Like I've maybe played like the opening seas
quince or something. I haven't beat it though, but I
know I know too much. Just the Internet.

Speaker 2 (34:05):
You know, you spoiled so that that story, that story
in particular two The Internet was just I've never seen
the Internet go more insane than they did.

Speaker 1 (34:14):
Yeah, Like people are tweeting like pictures of golf clubs,
and I'm like, all right, guys, I get it.

Speaker 2 (34:21):
Everybody's like Joel goes golfing Joel in one I keep hearing.
I think that they're gonna play with the material. I
think it's gonna happen. If you know, you know, If
you don't, you don't. I think it's still gonna play
out the same way it plays out, but I think
we're gonna get more time before the inciting incident of
that story.

Speaker 1 (34:41):
I think they'll shift that if it does happen in
season two, they'll shift it towards like the back half
of the season. I can see that happening.

Speaker 2 (34:49):
I think one thing is like they go to Seattle
in the game after that incident, and there has been
footage of them in Seattle, like them filming in Seattle.

Speaker 1 (34:59):
Okay, so it seems like we're gonna.

Speaker 2 (35:02):
Still get there by the ending of the season. I
just think they might pace it differently. I think they're
gonna move the story along in a in a different direction,
ultimately still reaching the same point, but maybe dragged out.

Speaker 1 (35:13):
Differently, didn't don't they want to make three seasons.

Speaker 2 (35:16):
They said that they're gonna do Last of Us two
as two seasons.

Speaker 1 (35:19):
Okay, that's right, that's right, that's right.

Speaker 2 (35:21):
Okay, And when you play the game too, like I know,
I know exactly where season two is gonna end. It's
a it's a very distinct cut in the story that
feels perfect for a season finale.

Speaker 1 (35:34):
So okay, okay, I'll be I'll be interested. I'll have
to play through. Don't don't spoil, no spoilers for me
or the audience.

Speaker 2 (35:40):
Yes, exactly, exactly. No, I think I think season three
will be really interesting. And then Neil Druckman's been talking
a little bit about how they're make they might be
making a third Last of Us game, So that would
give them the ability to make even more seasons of
the TV show, which I'm sure HBO would love for
them to do.

Speaker 1 (35:55):
All right, Yeah, I don't have much Like like I said,
it was a short teaser. I'm excited to see the show.
I think premiere is in twenty twenty five, probably in January.
That's that's when season one ended, or it started right January.
So yeah, we'll see how it goes last of us
though it's sick hype for it. All right, but before
we move on, before we talk about Deadpool, just do

(36:16):
one more break for ads. But okay, Deadpool three, directed
by Sean Levy. Ryan Reynolds back is Deadpool. Hugh Jackman
is back as Wolverine. First question I want to post
to you. Do you like the Deadpool movies? I do.

Speaker 2 (36:30):
I think they're like a very unique style of superhero
movie that we haven't seen much like that, if that
makes any sense. Very often, especially in like the MCU,
we've never seen anything like that. And with the Fox
stuff too, Like they all have this very self serious tone,
And I feel like the Deadpool movies are refreshing because
it's just making fun of it. It's it's fun to

(36:53):
have a character that knows they're in a superhero movie.
It embraces the stupidity of the genre at times. Reynolds
is an actor that, like, I'm pretty hit or miss on, Like,
I can find him pretty suffocating and often he only
plays Ryan Reynolds, But I thinks as Deadpool, it's actually
a strength that he's playing Ryan Reynolds. It allows him
to be his public persona as this character dialed up

(37:16):
to the max, and I think that the Deadpool movies,
I will admit I need to rewatch them. It's been
a while since i've seen Deadpool one or two. I
remember liking two more than liked one. I feel like
one's the whole origin story thing, and it's got a
lot I love to it. But I think when I
think about Deadpool, I think a little bit more about
the stuff with Cable and X Force and everything in

(37:37):
the second movie. So yeah, I do like the Deadpool
movies quite a bit. They're not like game changer superhero movies,
but I think that they are like a very fun
style of superhero movie that kind of feel like, in
a weird way, like the precursor to this whole like
superhero phase we're in now with like The Boys and Invincible.
It feels like we want our superhero stories to be

(37:57):
a little cruder and a little more fucked up. And
I think feel like the Deadpool movies got audiences invested
in that tone before inevitably we've ended up with a
whole bunch of that tone. But yeah, I do I
do like the movies quite a bit. What about yourself?

Speaker 1 (38:11):
I have both I like Deadpool one. I think I
like one a little more than two, only because the
kid in two really bugs me, the main like villain
of it all. I was like, oh, brother, uh No,
I think they're a lot of fun. Like I've always
liked the humor in them, the whole fourth wall break thing.
That's not something that I've seen a ton of just

(38:34):
in movies in general, well at least like when these
first came out, you know. But no, sometimes I like
look back on them, and especially getting superhero stories like
you just mentioned, like Invincible and The Boys. I just
kind of feel like like people were just excited over
Deadpool one and two back then because it was like
the only option we had for like rated our superhero stories. Now,

(39:00):
I just feel like we have rated our superhero content
like Invincible and The Boys that are more. I feel
like their stories are just a little more interesting and
like have like a little more I don't know, they're
like they are violent and they tell I just feel
like they tell better stories that you can invest like
you're more invested in versus Deadpool one and two, you know.

(39:21):
So I know I'm alright with them. I have them
both at like A three and a half out of five.
I don't. I'm not like I was never like super
crazy about them, but no, they're still there's still fun movies.

Speaker 2 (39:30):
Yeah, I think for me, I always like, as a kid,
I love Deadpool because I was just like, holy shit,
he just said fuck and he's making jokes about pegging,
like I al, yeah, yeah, you know, like I think
he is really like the the superhero that thirteen year
olds who are like drinking monster energy and spending all
the time with the skate park are gonna be like hell.

Speaker 1 (39:49):
Yeah, yeah, that's my guy. This guy's so I said, I.

Speaker 2 (39:52):
Don't know, like yeah, no exactly, And that was when
I was most invested in Deadpool. Like I remember, I
have fond memories of like the Deadpool video game where
he was voiced by Nolan North, and I always I
love No One North because of the Uncharted games, and
so I played that when I was younger, and I
thought that was a blast, Like Ultimate Alliance. I would
always play Deadpool like stuff like that. Like I always

(40:14):
just thought he was such a fun, interesting character because
he's like the only character in the roster of Marvel
characters who's gonna like acknowledge the audience and then shoot
a bunch of people and cut them in half, like
it felt like, especially in the in the scope of
like Marvel characters, he always felt very refreshing because so
many Marvel characters are of a very particular tone, and

(40:36):
Deadpool has always existed outside of that tone, which made
which made him refreshing. I do agree with you though,
that it's like, I think those movies hit so hard
at the time because of the fact that it was
the only R rated Superhero fair that we had like that,
and like even when we had darker Superhero Fair it
was like Zack Snyder's Batman Versus Superman, and then that
that shit just didn't hit for most people. I feel

(40:58):
like having a character like Pool who's kind of degrading
towards the audience in a weird way, like mocking their
their interests and in their investment in this stuff, it
always felt different, and I think that's why everybody likes
that character so much, just because it's especially in a
john and genre that can so often feel the same.

(41:19):
Dead ad Pool always managed to feel different.

Speaker 1 (41:22):
For sure. Now I feel that one. But yeah, so
let's just get into Deadpool three. So for me, this
is my favorite one. Something that's consistent between all three movies.
It always gets like the the metajokes, like it always
kind of nails them. Like even in Deadpool one, even
though that's before the whole like Fox and Disney merger,

(41:43):
he would make fun of the other X Men movies.
You know. He's like like when he's like getting captured
by Colossus, he makes his joke like like Colossus says, swim, oh,
you have to like, I'm gonna take you to talk
to the professor now, and then he's like, wait, Macavoy,
Urge Stewart, Like these timelines stay confusing sometimes, so it's
like you said, it's like it can poke fun at itself.

(42:04):
And then once I heard that, you know, the Fox
and Disney merger happened, and then they announced that like,
oh we're moving forward with another Deadpole movie, I'm like, oh,
this is a great opportunity for Deadpool to just make
fun of the Fox and Disney merger in general. So
that's what I was expecting from all the jokes, and
it pretty much gave me all that. So humor was
like a like a big, big positive for me. The action,

(42:26):
of course, is like pretty fun, especially the final the
final one shot sequence of him and that, Yeah, no,
that was just fun, like it was gory, it was
it was awesome, something that was huge, And there were
tons of these, and let's try and stick on this
for a minute. Is cameos that happened in this Not
only did they work, but they were also like really

(42:50):
really surprising. Like maybe I had like read rumors about
some of them, but I was like, when I saw
the rumor, I was like, there's no fucking way. That
doesn't even make any sense, Like how would this be possible?
Then I saw I was like, holy shit, like, no
fucking way they like. And the one that's like that
sticks out in my mind the most is getting fucking
Wesley Snipes's blade. It was like, no way, dude, because

(43:12):
you read all these stories. Well, it's just like just
because you read all these stories about how you know,
Wesley Snipes and Ryan Reynolds just hated each other's guts
and like they just never worked well together. So yeah,
but go ahead, what are you gonna say?

Speaker 2 (43:25):
Oh, that's exactly what I was gonna say. Actually, it's
like having him back his blade is even funnier when
you know that, like Ryan Reynolds and him just notoriously
beefed on the set of the of Blade Trinity. Just
having him come back and also having him I don't know.
I just don't think anybody ever expected to see Wesley
Stypes back his Blade. It's like genuinely exciting, and it's
it's deeper than like some you know, I'm gonna poke

(43:45):
shots at the Flash, which is just like people showing
up for the sake of them showing up. It's like
he's actually relevant to the movie, Like the character is
like involved in the plot would and he's there for
a while. So like, I found that to be extremely excited.
I think the only one I knew about going into
the movie was Elektra, because I think there was a
leak Jennifer Garner pictures on set. It was the only

(44:09):
secret that they didn't really hide very well because she's
been on the casting list for that movie for like
five months now. But Yeah, the second Blade came out,
and the second Channing Tatum comes out as Gambit. Yeah,
like Opening Night and Imax, my crowd fucking lost it
and yeah popped. And it's been a long time since
Marvel's done that, since they've successfully had audiences kind of

(44:30):
tweaking out in their seats like that, and it was exciting.
It was like genuinely exciting and like I feel like
already when I'm looking back at it, people are undermining
how cool that was, like even like the two weeks
out from the movie, but it was genuinely like so
sick to see Wesley Snipes back is Blade and and
the Channing Tatum is Gambit stuff too, is like if

(44:50):
you follow Hollywood stuff, just like reports and acting like
roles that actors were supposed to play or whatever. Channings
wanted to play Gambit for a very long time, very publicly,
like it almost happened in an X Men movie and
then that fell through, and then it almost happened in
a solo Gambit film that was like going forward, like
it had a script, it was done or not, like
not the movie wasn't done, but the script was done,

(45:12):
and then it just fell apart because of the merger
and it really fucked Chanting tat him up. He genuinely
disappeared from the industry for a couple of years after that.
That was kind of his dream role, so to have
him get to play it with a bit of a
sense of humor and poke fun at stuff as well.
Like it wasn't like this self serious version of Gambit.

(45:32):
It was kind of, for lack of a better wording,
a stupid version of Gambit but still have the chance
to be cool and exciting. It was just awesome.

Speaker 1 (45:40):
No, okay, anytime Channing Tatum said anything in that movie,
I was just like, what the fuck was that dude?
Like every time he spoke was just I laughed my
ass off every time, Like yeah, even the first sentence
He's like, oh, I'm remy Lebou, and I'm like, this
is the worst accent I've ever heard.

Speaker 2 (45:59):
It's just part is that people who like have that accent,
what is it? It's like like a Cajun like Louisiana
New War sort of thing. People are like it's spot on,
like he nailed it, and so it's just funny. It
sounds bad to us, but like people who who know
are like, yeah, no, that's spot on, like he got it.

Speaker 1 (46:19):
No, Because like when I when obviously like my only
like reference point for the Gambit voices of course from
X Men ninety ninety seven, that version of Gambit, Yeah,
and I was like, damn, that sounds like nothing. Like him,
what is he? What is he going for here? And
it just makes me realize that Channing Tatum is just
the king of selling you a bad accent and making

(46:42):
it work. Like it just makes me think about, uh,
I forget if it's like twenty one or twenty two
jump Stree or he just where he does the whole
my name is. Yeah, God, it's the same shit now.
But Channing Tatum is just he's just fucking hilarious and
uh yeah no that like all these cameos like Electra Blade,
Channing Tatum or Gambit, like I kind of feel like

(47:05):
I the way I saw is like they wanted to
use the void as as like this area where it's
like all of Hollywood's like failed ideas or like unrealized
like superhero film ideas. It's the void is where they
like throw all that stuff away. To me, it kind
of felt like Ryan Reynolds and Sean Levy they actually
had like like an infinity for all those super like

(47:27):
that era of superhero movies that came before the MCU,
and they just wanted to like you know, pay respect
to that and like give them like a proper send off.
And it like that I feel like that's one of
the main things, or like the main themes of of
the Depot movie. It's like they talked about legacy and
all that stuff, So I think it was it was
like well done in that respect hundred percent.

Speaker 2 (47:49):
I mean there's that line that Channing Tatum says where
they're talking about how long they've been in there, and
he's like, I think I might have been born here.

Speaker 1 (47:54):
I don't even yeah, I think I might have been
born here.

Speaker 2 (47:59):
Like it's just this really funny idea of just like
all the things that came pre MCU that didn't work
ended up here. But then, like you said, even ideas
that didn't even make it past the cutting room floor
they also end up in here. And I just found
it to be hilarious. You have Sabertooth and and Toad

(48:20):
and just like also, since we're talking about cameos, uh,
human Torch showing up as Chris Evans.

Speaker 1 (48:26):
Was one of the first one.

Speaker 2 (48:27):
Thing. Yeah he's blue, but he has the red wrapped
around his wrist and you're like, it's gotta be cap
and then he starts swearing, and then the second he
goes to say Avengers assemble and he's like flame on,
it's just like it's just hilarious.

Speaker 1 (48:39):
Man. It's funny though, because when he first shows up,
he's still kind of giving off like the Cap bravado
right right, like, uh, he's like Cap, but he's cussing.

Speaker 2 (48:52):
No.

Speaker 1 (48:52):
It was just really funny, like like you know what
you're talking to Dick for brains and all like like
I had I think I had heard a rumor about
him showing up his human tors so I think when
he first went like right when he took the hood off,
I was like, God, it's human torch. I already know.
I'm just waiting for it now, you know.

Speaker 2 (49:09):
I'm He's so usually fooled. I genuinely for a minute.
My roommate actually knew him. He's like, is that cap
or human torch? And I was like, it's Cap and
like I for some reason, I couldn't see it. And
then the second it happened, I was like, Yeah, it
makes complete sense that that would happen, and it's it's
absolutely hilarious.

Speaker 1 (49:27):
Like and his little postcard scene too, is fucking I.

Speaker 2 (49:29):
Was gonna say the way, yeah, the way that he
plays that character and the directions that they go with
that character too, like I couldn't imagine having an affinity
for his portrayal of human torching Fantastic four and then
seeing what this movie does to him, Like that's it's yeah,
he's just the butt of a joke and it's it's
it's really funny. I wish I wish they wouldn't have

(49:50):
gave away the X twenty three cameo w and all
the marketing.

Speaker 1 (49:52):
Yeah, that was kind of crazy. It's like two.

Speaker 2 (49:54):
Days before the movie came out and then they just
started showing it. I'm like, guys, that would have been
really genuinely cool if you just left that for the theater.

Speaker 1 (50:01):
But what kind of sucks, though, is that I feel
like like you revealed her in in the teasers, but
she wasn't even she didn't have that, Like she didn't
have nearly as big a role as like the other characters.
You know, agreed, Yeah, Like, I mean she had that
one scene with Wolverine, but like I definitely feel like, uh,
like Blade had more time, Gambit had more time. I

(50:23):
also wish she kind of showed up in her own,
like Wolverine costume. That would have been sick. But no,
because I was thinking, like, Okay, she should like they
should either move forward with her or we'll talk about
some more like of the Wolverine cameos, but like it
should be either be her or we'll just say, now
Henry cavill is like the MC's Wolverine, that'd be sick.

Speaker 2 (50:42):
Yeah, Henry cavill as the MC's Wolverine would would be great.
I feel like it seems less likely now that they've
done this joke with it. No, but it would be.
It'd be awesome. Going back to something you said though,
where you were like this movie, you can tell they
had a real affinity for like what came before the
MCU and then the whole Fox era. It's been really
funny to follow the hype leading up to this movie.

(51:04):
Everybody's like, is Deadpool and Wolverine gonna be the movie
to save the MCU, And then you watch the movie
and you're like, this movie does not give a fuck
about the MCU, like at at oh. Yeah, this movie
is a love letter through and through to a bygone
era of superhero movies. Whether they worked, whether they didn't, irrelevant.
It's it's paying love to like what set the way

(51:24):
for everything the genre would become In the following couple decades.
And I think that's really why the movie works so well,
is it's like it wasn't really interested in being like
it's it's poking fun at the idea of Deadpool entering
the MCU and saving the MCU because that's not what
this movie's about. And I think, yeah, it works all.

Speaker 1 (51:41):
The more for that, Like they even drop jokes about that,
Like they dropped like two jokes about it, Like he
talks about how like at the end when they're facing
off the Deadpool cord and he's like, guys, we gotta
stop with the multiverse stuff. It's just like miss after
miss after miss, and then nice Pool just comes in
the background. He's just like, I think everything's been great.
After endgame, I'm like, I love this, Like this is

(52:02):
one of my favorite jokes. Like that's that's literally the
that's like online MCU like arguing. You know, it's like
somebody's just talking shit about it, and then there's just
one dude in the background or maybe a few that's like,
you know, it's all been consistently good. I was like,
you guys, come on.

Speaker 2 (52:22):
Feels like they know about all the conversations that have
transpired about the MCU in the last couple of years,
and that self awareness really makes them be pop I
think in a really interesting way where it's just like
it'd be one thing to just have a couple of
MCU jokes, but this movie is actively punching on the MCU.
Th really, it's the entire runtime in a way that
just like feels very I don't even know what about

(52:45):
it made it work so well, but just every time
Deadpool made a joke about the MCU, I just it
cracked me out.

Speaker 1 (52:51):
Now every time you joke about the MCU or about Fox,
you know, it just it just works so well. I
feel like like sometimes the humor and those jokes, those
meta jokes could like they kind of feel like an
inside joke, you know, like where if you don't know
too much about all the ins and outs of like
if you don't keep up with like movie news or

(53:12):
like business mergers and stuff, then these might like fly
over your head. I wish more folks knew about that.
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (53:19):
Yeah, that's a valid criticism of the movie. But for me,
I know all of this stuff, So.

Speaker 1 (53:23):
All the jokes, yeah, no, exactly, No, Like me, I'm like, yeah, no,
that this is great. I love that.

Speaker 2 (53:28):
Yeah, I really loved the opening bit where he's just like,
you're probably wondering how we're gonna do this. Logan went
out on such a sacrifice, how are we gonna not
fuck that movie out? And he's like, we're not. And
then the opening scene is him just murking the TVA
with Logan's body, like just desecrating him. It's just very
funny stuff.

Speaker 1 (53:49):
I've seen a lot of this on Twitter. There are
a lot of people that are like speaking out about
that and they're like, oh, they pretty much just took
your movie and they ruined it, like they ruined the
legacy of this movie. And I'm like, I think people
are looking too deep into this, like come on, guys,
like have little fun. I don't know, because a lot
of people when they said when they saw the news
of Hugh Jackman coming back, they're like, dude, like have

(54:11):
some respect, like leave these characters and leave this legacy
behind or blah blah blah, which you know what, that's fine.
I get that, but they saw all these concerns and
they're just kind of, you know, now poking like they've
seen that and they're poking fun at it. Like they
did the most disrespectful thing possible and it's funny, you.

Speaker 2 (54:28):
Know, it's hilarious, and Logan is still like you can
watch that movie and it's a perfect ending because the
thing is, the Wolverine we're seeing in this movie is
not the same Wolverine. And like, I know that feels
a little bit like a cop out argument, but it's true,
Like you're if you're watching Logan, that is still the
conclusion to the to the Wolverine that we have spent

(54:49):
twenty years with, Like it still is, like nothing's changed.
I just to those people, I just want to say, like,
do you have any idea what genre we're dabbling in here?
It is superheroes and like they just come back from
the all the time. Read a comic man like this,
this stuff happens.

Speaker 1 (55:03):
No, yeah, having recomic books all the time.

Speaker 2 (55:06):
Yeah, It's just like the idea of a character coming
back in a superhero movie is just not that weird.
And so the fact that everybody's like, how dare they
They've destroyed one of the finest achievements in superhero filmmaking.
I'm like, Logan still exists and Logan is still perfect.
If you're watching that opening scene and you're not laughing
your ass off. I don't know what to tell you,
because it's just genuinely very funny.

Speaker 1 (55:27):
Yeah, yeah, but you know, I get it. I guess.
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (55:31):
No, I do understand it. I just think the debate
in the vitriol online about it, it's just a little much.
I'm like, guys, hold my hand, breathe with me. Logan
is still fine. That movie is still good. Everything's fine.

Speaker 1 (55:43):
It's still on Disney Plus or if you own a
physical copy of it, you'll always it's always there. I guess,
just like just to nitpick a little bit, like I
kind of feel like the and this is a classic
like Marvel movie. Problem is the villain can be kind
of weak. I didn't really care for Sondra Nova neither.

Speaker 2 (56:02):
It is, it's the weakest part of the movie.

Speaker 1 (56:03):
Yeah, Like I feel like there might have been like
a slight bit of redemption like somewhere in the third act,
and then she just comes back and is like trying
to use that time machine and I'm just like, once
they got to the time machine, I was like, yeah,
I know this. This shit's starting to lose me. And
even even Deadpool like makes a joke about that. He's
like like final home stretch, folks, like bear with me here.

(56:26):
I'm like, yeah, no, you've already You've already lost to me.

Speaker 2 (56:28):
You're like, I do think the way that her character
is written is a bit messy, you know, like just
the whole first off, she's not introduced into like an
hour and ten minutes into the movie, and then by
that point, like she's not even on the screen that
much in the following little bit either. So she comes
back in and then is redeemed, and then immediate is

(56:50):
like I want to destroy every single universe. I'm just like,
I don't have any grasp on what your motive is
or why you're doing this, Like are you just evil?
Because like if you are, that's fine, but just it
just felt a little stupid.

Speaker 1 (57:02):
Yeah, but you know, it is what it is. I mean,
if you look at the movie as like like the
way I see it is Deadpole and Wolverine is more
of I'm treating you like a buddy comedy, you know,
and sometimes buddy comedies have like those bad guys in it,
and it's obviously not the best part of the movie.
Like you don't watch comedies for like excellent villains, at

(57:24):
least not to me anyway. You just watch it's that
you can laugh and be entertained, And I think that's
what dead Pole and Wolverine like excels at. It's funny, and.

Speaker 2 (57:32):
I do feel like the movie actually works better when
it's like viewed strictly as like a parody of superhero
movies or like a straight up comedy. The second you're
looking for like a villain that's like an MCU villain
for the agents, like you're just you're not gonna find
that here. Yeah, that's not the movie's goal. The movie's
goal is giving you dead pulling Wolverine and making them
argue for an hour and a half. Like that's the

(57:54):
primary focus of the movie. And in that, by those parameters,
it works very well.

Speaker 1 (57:59):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (58:00):
Second, it's being tasked with having a big bad that
we're supposed to care about is where it kind of
falls apart a little.

Speaker 1 (58:06):
Bit as a comedy, as a superhero comedy. I think
it's pretty damn good. What else did you have on it? Though?

Speaker 2 (58:13):
Yeah, well I was curious what was your what was
the best laugh of the movie for you?

Speaker 1 (58:18):
I think this is like the the meme that's going
around a lot, Like a lot of people are posting
about this, and there's like TikTok clips of it. It's
it's probably like a TikTok template now, but I genuinely
thought it was like one of the funniest things. When
Gammy goes like, you know how long I've been waiting
for this? Who I'm about to make a name for myself? Yeah,
I was like, God, this's what the fuck dude?

Speaker 2 (58:41):
Yeah, I've heard that. I've heard that on TikTok quite
a bit already.

Speaker 1 (58:44):
That's gotta good one. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (58:46):
I got a huge laugh out of when when Deadpool
asks Blade if he's retired, he says, yeah, yeah, I
don't know. It caught me so off guard. I don't
think I've heard that word in a movie and twenty
years and I was just like, what the fuck? Like
it just I don't know something about the line delivery
from Wesley Snipes too, just he just killed me. I

(59:07):
thought it was really funny. Also, I really loved when
Deadpool gets like recruited into the MCU and he walks
up to the camera and he's just like, fuck you, Fox,
I'm going to Disneyland.

Speaker 1 (59:16):
That's pretty good. Not only did that get laughs out
of my theater, but a lot of people like clapped
and cheered at that head.

Speaker 2 (59:21):
Yeah. I also I loved Uh. Maybe it's just my
sense of humor, but I loved when Deadpool was getting
suited up by the tailor and he just kept like
grabbing his ass and his dick, and then Deadpool walks
out and he's like, your tailor might be a predator.
But I loved it.

Speaker 1 (59:35):
And then the guy that the guy that was like
calling HR or whatever, and he actually like he was
actually like obsessed with him and fucking uh and Wolverine.

Speaker 2 (59:46):
Yeah, he's like you calling your wife? He's like HR,
He's like, does your wife work at HR? Yeah. One
thing I was curious about too, do you think this
movie kills the idea of superhero send offs? And what
I mean by that is like canonically in this kind
of gets to the point of what we were just
talking about. Logan remains a great send off to Hugh
Jackman's Wolverine, but he is still Wolverine and now same

(01:00:07):
with RDJ. It's like iron Man died a beautiful death
that affected audiences so intensely, and now he's back as
Doctor Doom. Are we in an era of superhero storytelling
where the big emotional send off to end an actor's
run as a character is kind of like rendered extinct.
How do you feel about that?

Speaker 1 (01:00:27):
I think in your question you said, like, did Deadpool
ruin it? I don't think Deadpool ruined it. I would
say though, that just the whole concept of having a
multiverse is kind of it's it will make like a
send off film a harder cell, especially when you know
that like unless they and this would be this would

(01:00:48):
have to be like an industry wide thing, like when
you make your superhero movies, you have to cut the
crap with the with the multiverse shit, because if you
continue to do the multiverse stuff then you won't be able.
Then yeah, I don't think you'll be able to do
a send off movie anymore. How could you buy his
send off movie if he kind of just know that like, oh,
it's possible for them to come back.

Speaker 2 (01:01:06):
Agreed. I'm so unbothered by the fact that Hugh Jackman's
returned to Wolverine. But I do hear people when they're like,
where does that leave the legacy of like something like Logan,
Because I was making jokes about it, but like I do,
I do think it's interesting in regards to the fact that,
like Logan still remains a perfect film, but by bringing
you back his Wolverine, you do kind of do this

(01:01:26):
thing to the audience's brain where it's just like, how
does that movie? I haven't rewatched that movie having now
seen this, and I'd be curious like revisiting it if
I'm thinking the whole time, like that final shot where
you see like the X in the ground, it's like
Deadpool's gonna dig them up and then fucking murder people
with his bones. Yeah, I'm interested in the idea of
just like how has not just this? But I guess

(01:01:48):
you're right the multiverse affected finality to characters.

Speaker 1 (01:01:51):
But there have been times where like the characters haven't died,
you know, Like I'm thinking about the Dark Knight trilogy
and you know, Christian Bale didn't didn't die.

Speaker 2 (01:02:00):
At the end.

Speaker 1 (01:02:01):
I guess it really just depends if the actor is
willing to return as as like a multi versal version,
you know, because like Christian Bill is very much on
record like no, I'm not like I would return if
like Nolan wants to do it, but I'm gonna be
very stern on like not coming back, so it I
think it varies on the actor.

Speaker 2 (01:02:21):
Yeah, no, I agree. I just think it's interesting too,
Like it's finality is a thing that seems increasingly less
common in these movies, you know, like the endings, endings
are not really endings, which I find, I don't know, interesting.
Do you think we'll see a sequel to this movie,
like a Deadpool four, like a dead Pool and Wolverine,
like another dead Pool Wolverine Because they're making jokes about

(01:02:42):
it and like the TVA scene at the ending is
like get ready, there's more work for you guys to do,
And I was just like, are they gonna are they
gonna continue to ride this train? Like do you or
do you think that this was just like a It
was just like poking fun at the way that these
movies usually end.

Speaker 1 (01:02:58):
I don't know that they'll continue to get it like
like only like a story that's only focused on Deadpool
and Wolverine. I think moving forward, what they what they
have to do, like just straight up like X Men
movies and Deadpool is just there. I think that's that's
the only way they'll move forward. Because I think that's
that's what they gotta do. I don't think they'll I

(01:03:19):
kind of feel like it's unlikely to have like a
dead pool for like, I think moving like it's just
gonna be like X Men or a mutant movie, you know,
or a TV show or what have you?

Speaker 2 (01:03:29):
Agreed? Yeah, what do you? What do you think the
best needle drop in this movie was?

Speaker 1 (01:03:33):
You know, I didn't really care for the like of Prayer.
I did think like the ending was like when when
they're like holding hands and like doing that thing to
that machine, which the movie had completely lost me that
bad by that point. But I did like the rendition
of the like a prayer with like the choir and
stuff while they were like trying to destroy that machine.

(01:03:54):
I thought it like gave you like a little sense
of sincerity and uh, just a little bit of heart
because he had like Hugejacktan saying like oh I'm proud
to wear this suit, blah blah blah whatever, you know.
But I think just the I think the needle drop
that just shocked me the most was like after it
was right after that scene where they're walking out of
the subway and it's just that song by what's that band,

(01:04:16):
the Goo Goo Dolls or something.

Speaker 2 (01:04:18):
Yeah, yeah, Iris.

Speaker 1 (01:04:20):
Yeah, Iris. They just like dropped that out of nowhere.
I was like, okay, that, Like I just started laughing
my ass off right.

Speaker 2 (01:04:26):
There, and he has Risen baby Girl.

Speaker 1 (01:04:30):
Yeah, but no, the the needle drop for this, of
course has to be the bye Bye Bye in Sync.
I mean that's huge right now.

Speaker 2 (01:04:38):
Yeah, It's like, that's just such a great way to
open the movie. Like I saw this opening night. I've
seen the movie twice. I saw it opening night in
Imax with my friends, and then I went and I
rewatched it with my family and just that opening scene
said to bye bye bye, my mom was in stitches,
just like losing her mind. That's just how outrageous it
is to open a movie with dead desecrating Wolverine's body

(01:05:01):
to bye Bye Bye by insinc. It's a great needle drop.

Speaker 1 (01:05:05):
And what's really funny too, is that like if you
look up the song by in Sync on Spotify or YouTube,
they literally the song titled bye Bye Bye and then
in parentheses is like from Deadpool and Wolverine. I'm like,
what the fuck they're acting like.

Speaker 2 (01:05:20):
It's not like one of the biggest pop songs.

Speaker 1 (01:05:22):
Of the last like, yeah, for real, No, that's crazy.

Speaker 2 (01:05:25):
I'm looking right now and it literally says bye bye
bye from Deadpool and Wolverine. That's nuts.

Speaker 1 (01:05:30):
No, it is literally one of the biggest pop songs ever.
I kind of feel like it's like, okay, like you
get if you put Deadpool and Wolverine in there, it's
like you're gonna get those streams up. Probably.

Speaker 2 (01:05:40):
I think I loved the like a prayer needle drop
when on that one take where they're just sucking up
all the different Deadpools. I thought that was one of
my favorite scenes of the movie. I thought that was
just so so funny and just so exciting and just
pure comic book carnage in a way that like it
knows what it's doing. And I thought it was.

Speaker 1 (01:06:00):
Yes, dude, you know what now that we're talking about
that that for one, there's a couple couple things about that.
So Wolverine puts on Logan puts on the mask. How
did you feel about how the mask like just like
he just whips it out of nowhere.

Speaker 2 (01:06:14):
Yeah, Like it's like a hood that he's like had
the whole time.

Speaker 1 (01:06:18):
Yeah, it's just a hood that he pulls on. So
I was like, Okay, that looks weird, but I'll allow it.
I'm just glad it wasn't like a he didn't like
click a button behind his ear, and then it was
like a nanotech mass that just built itself.

Speaker 2 (01:06:30):
You know, man, We're so used to that at this point.
You're right, You're right.

Speaker 1 (01:06:34):
Yeah, So I'm like, I I kind of prefer it
was just like a random hood that just comes out
of nowhere.

Speaker 2 (01:06:40):
You know me too, Yeah, don't worry about where that's
been the whole movie. It's just been.

Speaker 1 (01:06:45):
Yeah, like it it all fits back there.

Speaker 2 (01:06:50):
My thoughts on the suit in general, but like in particular,
once the mask comes on, two things can coexist at once,
those being that shit looks fucking stupid and oh yeah, brother,
you know what I mean. Yeah, I feel like I'm able,
like because I love this stuff, I'm able to look
at that and be like, that looks ridiculous, but also
like I've kind of waited my whole life to see it,

(01:07:10):
so like I'm satisfied. But also I think it looks
I think it looks good. It's just it looks. I
don't know, it doesn't translate to the screen. The same
way it looks in comics or cartoons. I think that's
part of the charm of it, though. I think the
movie knows that. I mean that Pool immediately makes a
joke where he talks about like blowed up handles, So yeah,
I think it knows that. It's like it inherently looks

(01:07:30):
a little bit silly, but it's also awesome to see it.

Speaker 1 (01:07:33):
One thing that was criminal though, and something I will
I know everyone complains about CGI and Marvel movies like
all the time, and I'm just like beating a dead
horse by just saying, like, the siege guy does not
look great in this at once they're done with that.
Uh like when they go into the bus and they
hop out of the bus after killing all the whole
dead before when they pause when they hop out of

(01:07:53):
the bus, that shit looks awful. What the fuck was said?
And then it's just like that CGI model of Hug
just like standing there like a video game character. I
was like, oh, man, I.

Speaker 2 (01:08:06):
Can agree with that. It looks a little a little wonky.

Speaker 1 (01:08:09):
Yeah, I know what you mean.

Speaker 2 (01:08:09):
It's like it's like a valid criticism when you watch
this stuff, to be like that looks weird. But at
the same point in time, like I do feel like
like I feel like if you revisit me and Wesley's
podcast about mc movies just half the time, where like
this shit looks horrible and like, yeah, so I've tried
to stop saying it, even though I think it a
lot of the time. But I do agree with you

(01:08:30):
that it's like that's a I will say, for the
most part the CGI, this movie looks a lot better
than the recent MCU fair.

Speaker 1 (01:08:36):
Yes, sure, select scenes, Yeah, I will say though, if
we're gonna talk like technicalities and just how the movie
looks over all in general, I think Deadpool one and
two look like like they're superior and how it looks.
What do you think?

Speaker 2 (01:08:47):
Yeah, I mean Deadpole too. You got you got David
Leach behind the camera, and he's just he's a very
good director. You know. The thing about Sean Levy is
that he's like an everyman, Like I don't think anybody's
like walking away from Dead Pull and Wolverine like praising
it for Sean Leevy's visual flair, you know, like he's
I think he got the job because Ryan Reynolds was like,

(01:09:08):
this is a friend of mine and he's not going
to push back. He's just gonna make the movie with me.
And I'm sure that he has love and fondness for
the material. But I truly just feel like he got
the job because he could do it without complaining and
without wanting to add too much of his own style
in there, because he doesn't have a style, Like he's
just a director like this guy made The Night of
the Museum movies and has directed an episode to Stranger Things.

(01:09:30):
But like, I don't think anybody can be like Sean Levy,
one of my favorite working directors. I don't think you'll
ever hear that Sunens ever. So I think he works
for a movie like this because he's not going to
push back. He's just gonna do He's gonna do what
the movie needs him to do. But I do think
that you're right, like Deadpool one and two definitely have
more of like a a visual style to them.

Speaker 1 (01:09:51):
It's funny you say that about Sean Levy because that's
kind of how I felt about John Watts for all
the Spider Man movie.

Speaker 2 (01:09:59):
That guy I directed like two movies before he got
the Spider Man movies, one of which is an indie
movie about a couple kids who are like facing off
against the fucked up cop and the other one about
like a guy who transforms into a clown. And then
he got the Spider Man trilogy. I was like, Okay,
I don't even know how that happened or like what
they saw in him, but like, I found it really

(01:10:22):
funny to read an interview where John Wats was talking
about like other Spider Man material and like how they
have to like really nail like the swinging in a
Spider Man movie. I'm like, dude, you don't have the
right to talk about this at all. What are you
talking about?

Speaker 1 (01:10:36):
Yea, swinging in his movies are the worst of all
of them.

Speaker 2 (01:10:40):
So it's just really funny for him to like try
and like analyze it and be like, well, you really
have to be very technical. I'm like, dude, like watch
the Sam Reimi movies again, please, I encourage you to.
Those movies are old in yours and they look much
more exciting. But yeah, no, I feel like that's the
thing about shun Levy is that he just he's just
a guy direct the movie. He's not like an inspired

(01:11:02):
director or anything like that. Yeah, what were what were
your biggest issues? With the film though, aside from the villain,
did you have any anything that really like stuck out with.

Speaker 1 (01:11:10):
You besides the like the visuals that we just talked
about the villain, I guess story, I mean I didn't care.
Like I said, it kind of just fell apart towards
the end. I mean, I just didn't understand what was
happening anymore with the machine and that was Yeah, that's
pretty much it. But again, like with those like I'll
call those like last three things, I'll call those like nitpicks.

(01:11:32):
Like I think it's all made up for with action,
humor and like acting performances from Hugh Jackman, like that
one scene in the Van where he's just like telling
Deadpool these like he's not a hero and you're not
You're never gonna say the world. I'm like, god damn, Like,
h where did this come from?

Speaker 2 (01:11:50):
Like that's the other thing about not just the X
Men movies in general, but like this particular movie, is
that Hugh Jackman is way overqualified for a role like this,
Like especially coming off of Logan, where he's like acting
his ass off, and then like his follow up is
just like every time he had to get emotional, I
was just like you were wearing a yellow and blue

(01:12:11):
suit and you're running around on the ground like like
the Wolverine run was cool. But like every time he
got emotional, I was like, and you can still do it,
like no matter like what they put on you, no
matter like what script you're dealing with, you can always
find some like real genuine heart in the character. And
that's because he's Hugh Jackmhan. He's been doing this for
so long and he just knows every shade of this

(01:12:33):
character and he's just way overqualified for a movie like this,
you know. I will say this, though, I feel like
the movie suffers from not making his Wolverine the Like
they're all talking about him like this is the worst
Wolverine ever, and he's like he's a fucking monster and
he let everyone down and I'm like, what do you do?
And they're like he got drunk and the X Men died.
I'm like, guys, guys, why didn't you do like the

(01:12:59):
actual story where like he's like brainwashed and murders them all.
Like that's way more fucked up, And I feel like
would have made the story like hit a lot harder.
When he finds his redemption It's like he didn't do
anything that wrong. He's just a bit of an alcoholic
and like other people died because what because he wasn't there.
I don't know. That felt like such a kind of
a cop out of just like the whole movie is

(01:13:20):
yelling at you that he's the worst Wolverine, and I'm like,
he doesn't seem that bad in my.

Speaker 1 (01:13:24):
Mind, No, he he seems he still seems pretty competent.

Speaker 2 (01:13:27):
Yeah, like he's just drunk a lot, But like, I
don't know, I just felt like they could have doubled
down a little bit on what he has done to
make him.

Speaker 1 (01:13:36):
Yeah, they should have like shown some of it.

Speaker 2 (01:13:39):
I think that's one thing I've been hearing a lot
of people say. It's like actually getting like a flashback
to like the X Men all dying, and like maybe
seeing it really OpEd the emotional arc of it. Like,
don't make fun of the third act flashback?

Speaker 1 (01:13:52):
Does it? Just do it? Do it?

Speaker 2 (01:13:54):
Yeah? Agreed?

Speaker 1 (01:13:56):
Or you can make fun of the third act flashback
and then still do it making another like Deadpool can
make another joke. He's like, oh well here comes the
third third act flashback, folks. I'm like, all right, cool,
let's see it and then.

Speaker 2 (01:14:07):
They can show it. Yeah, what did you what did
you think of dog Pool?

Speaker 1 (01:14:11):
Oh? Dog Pool is uh, dude, I love a dog like.
I've seen like a couple of these where I don't
I don't know what's going on with them, but they
just have their tongue singing out the entire time. I
think he's kind of cute. But no, dog Pool, dog
Pool is great, and I love that he belongs to
or she belongs to nice Pool for some reason. And
then nice Pool's death was just, you know, so satisfying.

Speaker 2 (01:14:34):
It's hilarious. He's just like I'm gonna live. I'm gonna live.
He's got like a fucking a million bullet holes in him.

Speaker 1 (01:14:40):
But no, what are your thoughts on dog Poole? You
a fan?

Speaker 2 (01:14:43):
Yeah? Man, I thought every time we got the slow
most shot of dog Pool running up, I was just like,
this cinema, this is meant to be.

Speaker 1 (01:14:51):
This is Sean Levy working at his best. Right here,
this is the.

Speaker 2 (01:14:55):
Peak of his career. Right here is dog Pool. Did
you did you catch that? Lady was Blake Lively and
the cowboy Deadpool is Matthew McConaughey.

Speaker 1 (01:15:04):
I couldn't hear it in the voices. I think it's
mostly because like like Okay, maybe maybe Matthew mcconaughay, I
could have I could have caught, but I couldn't really,
And I don't think I've seen enough with Blake Lively
in it to know what she sounds like.

Speaker 2 (01:15:16):
I'm surprised it didn't show her. I feel like that
would have been a really funny bit.

Speaker 1 (01:15:19):
Or just like just yeah, just revealing anybody else in
like the Deadpoole Mass, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:15:25):
Yeah, Blake Lively probably is just like the best I
can do for you is a ten minute. I can
hop into the microphone for like ten minutes. That's all
I got.

Speaker 1 (01:15:33):
Just like, sorry, I have my other have my other
movie that's coming out this weekend. I can't. Yeah, I'm
filming this.

Speaker 2 (01:15:40):
Going back to Gambit really quickly. I find it really
funny watching X Men ninety seven and just seeing like
one of the coolest scenes of a comic book character
of like the last like five years where he's just
names Gambit, remember it, and then and then we just
get this Gambit. It's just so funny, just like the
contrast between like what three months can do to a.

Speaker 1 (01:15:59):
Character is Gambit's having quite a year. The resurgence of
a Gambit is nuts. But uh but yeah, I know,
having like this totally cool, like very epic version, it's
like it's like a tragic ending to a character too,
and then just seeing this one that's just like kind
of like so unserious. It's it's it's giving me whiplashes

(01:16:19):
thinking about it.

Speaker 2 (01:16:20):
Yeah. Man, like having the character that character deliver the
lines that he delivered next My ninety seven and then
having him deliver lines like my daddy was shooting buttery
nuts into my mom is like, it's just insane that
it's the same character.

Speaker 1 (01:16:34):
I was born ready, I shot up Mad Daddy a
bit ready. I was like, God, damn, what.

Speaker 2 (01:16:40):
Did you What do you think about the recurring bit
with the Thor holding Deadpool and how he's just like
why is Thor crying?

Speaker 1 (01:16:47):
Okay, So I think it's literally because from what I heard,
like one of the ideas for this Deadpool movie, this
would have been absolutely absurd, But I think I would
have I would have tuned in for it. They just
completely remake Thor two. Everyone's saying like, oh, this is
gonna happen in the future or like, but I'm just like, no, Like,

(01:17:08):
this is literally just the scene from Thor the Dark
World where Thor is holding Loki and they just swapped
Loki for Deadpool. That's all it is, folks. I know.

Speaker 2 (01:17:17):
I saw, like I saw somebody talking to Chris Hemsworth
and they were like, how did it feel to be
in dead Pull the Wolverine. I'm like, hey man, sorry
to break it to you, but that's a that's old footage.
That's very old footage.

Speaker 1 (01:17:28):
But no, I I heard this theory that could also
be kind of fun. Is that like that is actually
from a future film? And uh, Deadpool is like laying
there like crying, but and and Thor is also like
holding him thinking he's gonna die, but he doesn't know
that Wade can regenerate, so he's just kind of messing
with Thor. You know.

Speaker 2 (01:17:47):
Oh yeah, I.

Speaker 1 (01:17:48):
Think that could be fun if they if they do
that in a future movie. But I guess yeah, that's
another question that I have, Like I don't think I
think you're right.

Speaker 2 (01:17:54):
We're probably not gonna see a sequel to this particular
movie that feels like finale, we will see you think
we're gonna see them in like Avengers, Like, how would
they incorporate.

Speaker 1 (01:18:02):
I think we'll see him into well see the Storagers. Yeah, yeah, no,
I because especially if they're gonna be like doing stuff
with the TVA, I feel like they have to be
involved in like multiversal storytelling and like they just have
to be like part of the group of heroes that
has to take down like Doom or whoever the fuck
the next big bat is gonna be, Like supposedly.

Speaker 2 (01:18:24):
Makeingm PG is like my my biggest question.

Speaker 1 (01:18:27):
I think they can just like either they just make
the movies rated are or they just bleep, Like they
just bleep so many of his words and that that
I would laugh at that. It would be a funny
bit because if like he tries cussing and then he
gets bleeped out and then he'll be like, what the
fuck did you guys just bleep me? Like, yeah, that

(01:18:47):
could be fun Like between something we didn't really talk
about when we were talking about Comic Con was like
the two Avengers movies that are coming out, So we're
getting Avengers Doomsday and then Avengers Secret Wars. And the
big rumor right now is that I think there's like
a year or two between those two Avengers movies. Would
whatever movie comes out between those two is gonna take

(01:19:09):
place on this, uh, this place in the comics called
battle World, and uh it's just like a bunch of
like remnants of other timelines just thrown together in this
one universe or planet. And so it's just gonna be
all the heroes just living together from different universes all
in one place. That's where I think they will like,

(01:19:29):
you know, kind of cross over.

Speaker 2 (01:19:31):
No interesting. Yeah, yeah, I think that I think they
can do it with Deadpool. I just think that they
It'll be it'll be weird, it'll be really jarring to
have like the high stakes, serious Avengers movie, and then
Deadpool is just like looking at the camera and just wisecracking.
But I think that they can do it.

Speaker 1 (01:19:47):
No, I I yeah, I think it'll be fine. But
who knows. We'll see.

Speaker 2 (01:19:52):
Yeah, only time will tell. What would be your rating
for for dead poom w Overine.

Speaker 1 (01:19:56):
I give it a four out of five. Me too,
four out of five.

Speaker 2 (01:19:59):
Yeah, although like I can't understate how much the comedy
in this movie works for me, Like I don't think
I've laughed this hard in the theater in quite some time.
Comedies are kind of cooked right now, you know, like
we're not getting very funny movies. Like it's like I
just feel like a lot of the jokes in comedy,
like the hit the hit to miss Ratio and comedy
movies is very bad. Like I feel like I'll watch

(01:20:20):
a comedy movie and just most of the jokes will miss,
And I feel like this is the rare case where
it's like most of the jokes were really hitting. Like
I laughed very hard throughout this movie. A scene that
I didn't mention is the Wolverine and Deadpool car fight,
which is like I was listening to Ryan Reynolds talk
about how they intentionally filmed this scene like a sex scene,

(01:20:40):
you know, like like we're like in like romance like
rom coms or whatever, romance.

Speaker 1 (01:20:45):
To the cars shaking.

Speaker 2 (01:20:46):
Yeah, yeah, the car is shaking and they're just like
it's like back and forth and they're just like pouncing
all over each other and then Deadpoleon just in the backseat,
just like I take it back the Honda Odyssey. Fucks.
It's I don't know, I just something about the line
delivery in the way that this movie just goes about
doing humor. It felt very genuinely funny in a time
where comedies are pretty bad.

Speaker 1 (01:21:09):
It's like I said, it's one of the movie's strong suits,
and yeah, I know, it just works perfectly like all
the other nippicky things that I said, that's what it like,
you know, brings it down from like a four and
a half or five is those like you know, story
villain visuals, whatever. But it makes up for all that
in great performances from Hugh, awesome action, and just hilarious shit,

(01:21:33):
hilarious out of pocket shit. What more he can ask
for from a dead Poole movie.

Speaker 2 (01:21:38):
Yeah, I feel like you can be like, well, the
movie wasn't really focused on having a good villain. I'm like, Okay,
that doesn't excuse it for having a bad villain, you know,
Like yeah, like it's Cassandra Nova is one of those
things where it's like I'm familiar with the character. I
don't know it too much about her, but I know
that like that character just kind of fundamentally doesn't work
without Charles Xavier there, right, And so it's like a

(01:21:59):
weird choice to do the character as the main villain
of a Deadpool movie because that character is like a
like a tragic character that only really works in part
to their relationship with Charles Xavier. Like I get that
you can get at the emotional stakes where like Wolverine's
just like he would have loved you too, and I'm
just like, yeah, but like this character didn't exist, and

(01:22:19):
so like this is like kind of a nothing character
that they're just like pulling out of their ass and
just being like Charles Xavier's sister, everybody and ladies and gentlemen.
So I don't know. I feel like Emma Corn's good,
Like the way she plays the character is fun to watch,
but the villain's just given such little energy that you

(01:22:41):
can tell the movie just actively doesn't give a fuck
about that character. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:22:44):
No, Emma Korran I think does what she can with
what she's given. But other than that, it's it's kind
of just like another forgettable Marvel villain.

Speaker 2 (01:22:52):
I think I'm going with a four as well, though
after my second watch I debated bumping into a four
and a half, but I think I've got to just
stick with a four for the time being. I was
just gonna say, does this movie inspire any hope for
the future of the MCU? For you, because I've heard
people talking about about that, and like I've heard people
talking about what this movie is doing to like cinema,

(01:23:16):
which is like kind of a more general thing. But like,
I don't think this movie holds any weight to the MCU.
So when I've heard I've heard people talking about, like
did this movie save Marvel, I'm like, feels like such
a nonsensical point to make because this movie has nothing
to do with the larger scale of what they're trying
to do.

Speaker 1 (01:23:33):
I'd say it's a pretty contained story, like it doesn't
have any like big well, I guess kind of it.
It introduces more multiverse concepts like anchor being, like the
anchor being, yeah, which I guess, like so by the
end of the movie, the anchor being can be replaced
and then your universe will be fine, right, yeah, because

(01:23:55):
that's that's why, like Logan is in Deadpool's universe, so
it all worked out. But other than that, it's it's
kind of like its own thing, Like it doesn't really
try to connect to anything else. I know, I think
I think it really works for that. Sorry, what was
the other part of your question?

Speaker 2 (01:24:11):
Again, Just like I've heard people talking about, like did
this movie inspire hope for the future of the MCU. Yes,
My thing really quickly is just like if there's anything
to come out of this, it's that they've learned that
they can do our rated shit and they can be
a little more rude. But I just didn't feel like
while watching this, like, yeah, the MCU, this is the

(01:24:33):
saving grace of Marble. I was just like this that
has nothing to do with Marble or yeah the MCU.

Speaker 1 (01:24:38):
Sorry, No. I think like with this they will realize
that there is a market for like R rated content
and you know, you can't just slap the R rating
on it and just assume that it will be good, like
it has to actually be like, you know, well done right.
Like to me, I will just say this, like I
don't know how bad or if past Marvel movies have

(01:25:00):
like flopped at all at the box office. I don't
think they did. But I just don't think they they
were like the the big money maker hits that they
can typically get. I feel like they went on a
tear like you know in twenty eighteen with like Black
Panther in Infinity War and even like Captain Marvel those
were like like three billion dollar movies right there, you know,

(01:25:23):
and then everything that came afterwards was like six fifty
seven hundred. It wasn't reaching those highs, like I think
this is the first. Like I don't think the Marvel's
made much, but I don't think it was like a
flop financially either. It could have been I don't remember.
But like when I think saving Marvel or did it
save the MCU, I'm just no, there's always gonna be

(01:25:46):
like a general interest in it. But if you're looking
at it from like a financial standpoint, like a money
making standpoint, then yeah, no, maybe because it's been it's
their first like like mega hit in a while, like
this will probably this could come to a billion dollars.
I don't know if it well, like it might be
like getting close to like the nine hundred million range,
but I don't know if it'll hit a billion, but

(01:26:07):
you know, we'll see. I think it's like it's a
quote unquote savior just because it's making a ton of
money in.

Speaker 2 (01:26:13):
A time where those movies just weren't pulling audiences anymore.
Yeah no, I feel like that makes sense. I know
you mentioned like the whole debate about what this is
doing to cinema. But so before, Yeah, I'm curious about
about your thoughts on that.

Speaker 1 (01:26:28):
I don't know, man, I think it's too like like
that there's there's like a market for I think there
can be space for both of them, you know. I
think it's a it's a little too it's too dramatic
to say like this is killing cinema because people have
been saying about that for Marvel movies, like for the
longest time. And I feel like this year, this year alone,
we've gotten so many different diverse stories just because there

(01:26:51):
wasn't a ton of superhero stuff coming out this year anyway,
and like some of them are making good money. Like
we talked about Long Legs earlier, it's like Neon's biggest hits.
It's their highest grossing movie, beating out I want to say,
I forgot what their other highest grossing movie was, but
this is like Neon's highest grossing movie, right, Long Legs. Yeah,
there's like a lot of like smaller scale, like lower

(01:27:13):
budget stuff that's doing really well this year. I think
people were just like getting more comfortable with going back
to the movies and what does suck about here? Here's
the only thing I'll say when it comes to, like,
you know, it being called like a cinema killer. Twisters
was in theaters for like one weekend until Deadpool and
Wolverine came in and just like took up all the screens.

(01:27:35):
So I'll like agree on it from that standpoint that
it just takes up too many screens and it kind
of just like whatever movie was coming out that weekend,
like everyone else has to like rethink their release strategies.

Speaker 2 (01:27:45):
You know. I do think that that's like the big
problem with this stuff is that it just it doesn't
leave much room for the little guys. But I think
the conversation point around, like is this the cinema killer?
Is this like the death of cinema? It's like very
much ignoring the fact that IP has run Hollywood for
years and will continue to do so. People don't want

(01:28:07):
to spend their hard earned money on something they don't
know what it is. They want to like they want
the comfort of like I'm going for a night out,
everyone I'm going with knows what we're going to watch,
and we know what to expect out of what we're
going to watch. Like just general audiences will always kind
of be like that and it's like we can't get
back to the nineties where like a few good men's
going to make four hundred million dollars, you know, Like

(01:28:27):
I feel like the industry is just in a different
place and it will remain in a different place. So
like I don't know, like acting like Deadpool and Wolverine,
like the First Swing from Marvel at like R rated
content instead of like shit they churn out all the time.
To act like this is the one that's actively killing
cinema is like, I don't know, it feels a bit

(01:28:48):
over dramatic because it's just it's been the trend for
the last five years. It's just like, yeah, people will
prefer to see IP and they always have.

Speaker 1 (01:28:58):
Oh no, man, I don't think so. I'm with you.
I think it's a little dramatic. But at the same time,
it's like, you.

Speaker 2 (01:29:03):
Know, it's interesting though it does take up too many screens.
The fact that Twisters was bumped out of like forty
X in all those formats a movie that you know,
whether you like the format or not, that that's like
who wants to go see dead pull them Wolverine of
forty X.

Speaker 1 (01:29:19):
No, that's not the movie, Like what the fun.

Speaker 2 (01:29:21):
Right right, So, I feel like the issue at hand
is is the whole screens thing. How many screens were
putting this stuff on.

Speaker 1 (01:29:28):
There's a lot of interesting things happening in the industry
right now, like how Alamo Draft House got bought out
by by Sony or something.

Speaker 2 (01:29:36):
Yeah, I saw. I thought that was interesting. I mean,
we don't have any draft houses or Alamo draft Houses
here in Canada. They've always wanted to go to one.
I've heard they're cool.

Speaker 1 (01:29:44):
Yeah, oh no, they're awesome. Going to one is like
it's like a little museum of for cinema.

Speaker 2 (01:29:50):
It's crazy. I feel like I'd love that, and then
you get to sit down, order of chicken tenders to
your seat, come on.

Speaker 1 (01:29:55):
But yeah, so anything else on the movie, no, I
think that's about.

Speaker 2 (01:29:59):
It for for me. On Dead Pullum Woverine, I had
a blast. Yeah, you know, like I don't think it's
like the Savior of Marvel, but I do think it
was the first time. And I think you're the one
who posted this.

Speaker 1 (01:30:09):
And I saw your review, like the feeling is back,
you know, like, yeah, yeah, the excitement was there for sure,
one hundred percent.

Speaker 2 (01:30:17):
My roommate hates this shit. He often talks to me
about how he's just like he's done with Marvel. He's
bored to Marvel, He's tired of it. He was there
Opening Night for Dead Pulling Wovering with us, and he
had a great time, like we all, we all had
a great time. We left and we sat outside the theater
and we talked about the movie for like twenty minutes,
and I was like, I don't think this has happened
since Spider Man No Way Home and then before that,

(01:30:38):
since Endgame, for all the movies shortcomings and all that,
Like it did capture for the second time since End Game,
like the feeling like the fuck, yeah, we all just
had a great night. Maybe we can go get a
beer and just talk about how fun that was, and
right Marvel. Marvel hasn't had that in quite some time.

(01:30:59):
I feel like the last few times Wesley and I
are other friends and I have left Marvel movies, we've
been like, eh, what do you guys want to do?
For rest of the night.

Speaker 1 (01:31:08):
I'm glad I watched it, but I probably won't rush
back to see it again anytime soon. Right, Like for
Dead Poe Wolverine, I saw Opening Night and then I
was I bought a ticket and saw it the next day.

Speaker 2 (01:31:18):
Similarly for me as well, I saw it and then
like three days later I was like, yeah, I'll go
see it again.

Speaker 1 (01:31:22):
It's a good time.

Speaker 2 (01:31:23):
You know, it's a great time, especially just with the
people in your life, just like laughing and just having
a good time to shit like this. It's awesome. I
feel like with a lot of the other recent output
in Marble, it's just been like all right, onto the
next one, like not much thought right when whenever Wesley
and I, and that's why I made that joke at
the very beginning of the episode, is like our audience

(01:31:44):
is so uninterested in hearing me and Wesley talk about
the Marbles, which I didn't even hate, to be honest
with you, but like there isn't really a demand to
hear people talk about that stuff. So like Wesley and
I like made the decision to actively like dial back
the amount of Marvel content that we age with because
other people weren't interested in engaging with it the same
way either. And I feel like that pull them Overine

(01:32:05):
is like the exception, Like it's it's got people engaging
with it again and again, excited about it again. And
I can only hope that that remains the vibe going
forward for Fantastic four and Doomsday and so on and
so forth.

Speaker 1 (01:32:19):
Very much looking forward to. Yeah, definitely fantastic for whatever
the future of the X Men holds, and then the
next two Avengers movies. Yeah, but yeah, should be. I'd
say the feeling is back.

Speaker 2 (01:32:31):
Yeah, the feeling is bad is a great way to
put it.

Speaker 1 (01:32:34):
I would even say, like, the feeling is bad, Like,
I'm looking forward to watching the next Captain America. I
think that's probably that should be Marvel's next movie. I
don't think they have anything else coming out the rest
of the year, but I think I think CAP four
comes out in February, so we'll see how it goes.

Speaker 2 (01:32:49):
And you know what, though, here we are, and this
is always the case, We're sitting here like the feeling
is back. We're so back, and then we're gonna watch
Agatha all along on Disney Plus and be like, fuh
fun so over, it's so we're sooo it's so over.

Speaker 1 (01:33:02):
I forgot is that coming out this year?

Speaker 2 (01:33:04):
I don't remember it? Is this this Halloween?

Speaker 1 (01:33:06):
That makes sense? It does seem a little spooky, but
I'll watch it whatever too, you.

Speaker 2 (01:33:11):
Know what, just something to throw on on a cool
October night.

Speaker 1 (01:33:15):
All right, Well it's fours for both of us, four
out of five before you go. You want to plug
your socials one more time.

Speaker 2 (01:33:22):
Yeah, you can find You can find us at the
dive In Movie Cast on TikTok, Instagram, Apple Podcasts, Spotify,
wherever you listen to your podcast, and at dive In
Moviecast on x slash.

Speaker 1 (01:33:33):
Twitter as always, Hayden, thank you.

Speaker 2 (01:33:36):
Oh my letterbox as well, Hayden Kutras on letterbox. If
you're curious to see what I've been watching and just
engage with some movie content that I haven't necessarily been posted.

Speaker 1 (01:33:45):
To, go on Instagram, definitely check them out on letterbox,
follow us on letterbox as well. It's at Kybri Culture
for all of our socials. You find us wherever you
listen to podcasts as well. But Hayden, it's always a
pleasure having you on. Thanks for coming back. Hopefully we
can collab on something else soon, whether it be come
back on here or I do something with you on

(01:34:06):
the dive In show. But folks, thanks for listening and
we'll catch you guys next time. So please

All Episodes

Episode Transcript

Popular Podcasts

My Favorite Murder with Karen Kilgariff and Georgia Hardstark

24/7 News: The Latest

Dateline NBC

.css-15opob5{left:0;position:absolute;top:0.8rem;} All Episodes

.css-14f5ked{margin:0;word-break:break-word;display:-webkit-box;-webkit-box-orient:vertical;box-orient:vertical;-webkit-line-clamp:2;overflow:hidden;}‘Deadpool & Wolverine’ Review, RDJ Returns, and Thoughts on ‘The Fantastic Four’ Footage

Episode Transcript

Popular Podcasts

.css-r6mb8g{margin:0;word-break:break-word;display:-webkit-box;-webkit-box-orient:vertical;box-orient:vertical;-webkit-line-clamp:1;overflow:hidden;}My Favorite Murder with Karen Kilgariff and Georgia Hardstark

24/7 News: The Latest

Dateline NBC

All Episodes

‘Deadpool & Wolverine’ Review, RDJ Returns, and Thoughts on ‘The Fantastic Four’ Footage

My Favorite Murder with Karen Kilgariff and Georgia Hardstark