‘Dune: Part Two’ Review and ‘The Bad Batch’ Season 3 Thoughts

May thy knife chip and shatter. Aaron and Joe are back after a long hiatus to chat a couple of life updates as well as review Denis Villeneuve’s masterpiece ‘Dune: Part Two’ in addition to the first few episodes of season 3 of ‘The Bad Batch’.

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Episode Transcript

(00:15):
What up, folks, and welcometo the Kaibra Culture Episode one, twenty
seven with myself, Mua deeb Pukand Baron Vladimir Johnson. Damn, it's
been a long time. We haven'thaven't recorded a podcast, like neither of
us have recorded a podcast and whatfeels like months. Aaron, Man,
how's it going? You're so right, I don't even know have we recorded

(00:38):
an episode, like since I've moved? Yes, we have, well,
okay, we've recorded one, yeah, but not since I moved, And
I feel like we I don't thinkwe recorded anything in twenty twenty four.
I think that's Oh, that's that'sfor sure. That shit's been crazy.
Like you've been busy with your movefrom one part of Seattle to another.
I'm still settling in my move acrossthe county. I moved from California to

(01:02):
New York City. Like I'm stillI'm still settling in and it's it's kind
of nuts, still trying to getin a routine. Ban O. So
far, it's been good. It'sit's a little challenging here and there,
but we're getting used to it.But Aaron, how are you too?
I'm doing good man, Yeah,like, like Joe said, we're kind
of on a parallel here with moving, Like we're both moving and our in

(01:23):
our own ways. Man. Forme, it's been kind of like how
Joe described his move a little bit. It's been like a little bit tumultuous,
but for the most part, it'sbeen like a great paradigm shift.
I guess you could call it,not not only shifting physically, you know,
from one location to the other,but also just like mentally, like

(01:45):
having my own place with a greatroommate, great friend, just getting the
house set up, you know,and there's just like sometimes when I'm just
doing things in the new place,like I'm just like vacuuming upstairs that I'm
like, Damn, I don't knowhow I made it here, you know
what I mean. I have oneof those like existential moments. I know,
Joe was to me the other night, like having one of those.

(02:06):
But no, it's been awesome,man. Man. We've been decking out
the living room. We got anice sixty five inch q Ned TV.
I got a nice Polk soundbar forit. Been enjoying entertainment. Man.
I feel like at my old place, like I didn't really get to fully
enjoy watching TV just because I feltlike I had to be like quiet late

(02:27):
at night because that like you're livingwith child, and for all sorts of
other reasons. But man, meand my roommate have been getting into some
cinema, playing some ketchup on someshows and some movies. We watched The
Joker, I just finished Foundation.We got a switch, been playing some
switch. It's been awesome. Man. It sounds like the Kings are just
king in dude. You know,we're just We're just royalty out here,

(02:51):
man. I mean, this isthe this is the Palace. It's it's
a blessing in a lot of ways. Outside of that, work's been good.
I'd been getting a lot of likepositive reinforcement and affirmation from coworkers and
management, and it's just, yeah, a lot of good changes in life.
And sometimes I feel like I don't, like I take it for granted

(03:14):
a little bit, so I havethese moments where I kind of like stop
and think about like where I amin life and all that kind of stuff.
But it's all been great. Man, Life's been good. What about
you, moll Yeah, dude,No, Okay. So two of the
main things that I'm still trying toget used to is well, actually,
no, one part of it I'mfeeling pretty good about now, and that
part of it is going places andliving without a car because pretty much when

(03:40):
I was in California, i soldmy car to pay for moving expenses.
Top three decisions I've made in myadult life so far. But the thing
that I'm not like that I don'tthink I've gotten too used to yet is
how much smaller everything is. Aaron. You know me, I'm like sure
by I'm like kind of like awider guy, and I barely fit in

(04:03):
my bathroom. It's kind of hilarious. Let's see what else my room.
My room is pretty decent size,but uh, everything else, like my
living room, my kitchen are prettysmall. But yeah, now, spaces
space is something that I'm not usedto yet. I'm trying to I want
to get a TV. I'm notsure yet, Aaron. I know you're

(04:24):
much more well versed when it comesto electronics, so I'm gonna have to
consult with you on Like, Iwant like a fifty five inch for my
room, but I'm trying to getlike some bang for my buck. And
now I'm not trying to break theBank either, you know, and I
feel like you know more about thatthan I do, so we'll consult.
Anyways, that's how we're doing today. We're talking about the Bad Batch,

(04:48):
the final season. I think there'sfour episodes out right now. Now we're
also gonna talk Dune Part two.What a movie, But we're not gonna
get into kaya. We're gonna doBad Batch first. But before we get
into the Bad Batch, let's firsttake a quick break for some ads.
All right, in the Bad Batch, I don't want to get into like
each episode specifically, uh, justkind of general thoughts with where we're at

(05:13):
so far and what we've gotten.I think all the Mount Tantas stuff is
pretty cool. I think Mount Tantisis pretty interesting. I know you have
a different relationship to Mount Tantis becauseyou know, if you haven't read the
Star Wars books, right, youknow it from Star Wars books, Yeah,
from the yeah First throw On trilogy. I only know Mount Tantis,
I think from like they might havementioned it in one of the Star Wars

(05:36):
movies. Maybe not. It's itshould be like they're really focusing in on
it, Like they started focusing inon it. I think in the second
season of The Bad Batch pretty muchseason two ended there Omega has like there's
another sit there's another clone nov Omega. It's like a more adult version of

(05:56):
her. I guess she's like oneof the scientists on Tantis. But the
first episode I thought was it waspretty interesting. Like the thing about The
Bad Batch to me is that itfeels way more like, it seems less
happy compared to Clone Wars and Rebels, Like I feel like they like Clone
Wars and Rebels definitely just felt alittle like brighter and upbeat, And I

(06:20):
guess that fits the tone of likethe time period that The Bad Batches is
set in, right, But thefirst episode was like super serious, like
days are passing. Omega's in prison, like working with what's the camon Owen's
name, I forget her name,Nalisay. Yeah, so she's reunited with

(06:41):
Nalisa and there she's pretty much tryingto they're doing something. They're trying to
mix some clone DNA with I'm guessingsomething with midichlorins. Do you know what's
happening here? That's exactly it they'retrying to. It's part of Project Necromancer,
which they've mentioned in season three.The Mandalorian maybe even season two.

(07:01):
I'm not sure, but essentially they'rejust laying the groundwork to try to make
up for somehow Palpatine. Yeah,they're trying to, like, I know,
listen, this is what like CloneWars. I don't know if Rebels
so much did this, but Iknow Clone Wars did for sure. Clone
Wars the animated show pretty much justwanted to, like, you know,

(07:26):
make what happened in episodes two andthree a little more rich, like bridge
it together a little bit, Yeah, bridge it, bridge it together a
little more. Like I think theythey definitely tried laying the groundwork in seasons
two and three the Mandalorian maybe alittle bit in season one, but I
definitely feel like that's the route thatthey wanted to take with a bad Batch.
Like how the Clone Wars animated showwas doing it for episodes two and

(07:47):
three, the Bad Batch is doingit for the entirety of the sequel trilogy
and between three and four. Essentially, Yeah, it's like the same thing
exactly. So so yeah, Iknow, I'm fine with it, but
like, there's not a ton thatyou can do to save what episode nine
was. Yeah, but yeah,so uh no, I I've been enjoying

(08:09):
these episodes. I like Omega andCrosshairs a little dynamic. Batcher is a
pretty cool little pet. I justlove that. You know, the name
of it is Bacher. That's it'spretty cute, right, It's like such
a childish thing to do, youknow what I mean. Yeah, it's
like the whole crew is named theBad Batcher. You're gonna name your pet
Bacher. That's that's awesome, It'sinnocent. Definitely am curious. I'm I'm

(08:33):
definitely gonna tune in to episode five, mostly because of where episode four ends
up or ends off. It's it'sCrosshair reuniting with Uh with Record and Hunter
and rest in peace to fucking Tech. Bro. Damn that shit still hurts
Bro. Yeah, but who knows, we'll probably see him again. I
think Uh, my friend Sean fromMetal Corner is the way he put it

(08:54):
is that Bro, they're gonna they'regonna fucking Winter Soldier Tech, aren't they
They're gonna, like his mind inmaking one of the bad guys. I'm
like, fuck, don't do this. It's me, don't do don't make
him Bucky. I think overall,like four episodes in I think I'm gona
give it like a like a threeand a half so far. I'm definitely
tuned in every every week. Ialways like new Star Wars content. I'm

(09:16):
just curious to see where it allends up. But how do you feel
about the bad batch so far?Just to lay the lay the groundwork and
be honest, I have not seenepisode four yet. I don't think I'm
missing my fault. No no,no, no, you didn't spoil anything
at all, Like I assumed thatwas gonna happen. It's kind of obvious,
you know, like of course they'regoing to reunite. But I and

(09:37):
I don't think I missed anything likehuge or like developmental from episode four,
but first three episodes and just kindof the direction that the show is going.
Number one, what Joe said,like my relationship with Mountaintas is definitely
different, but there is a connection. So they refer to this area in
Mount Tantas as the vault, andthey tease a little bit of Palpatine going

(10:01):
in there with like the head directorscientists whatever you call him, I forget
his name. That's the thing I'mthe most curious about is what's inside that
vault. I assume it's dead bodiesthat are like preserved kind of like what
we saw in Obi Wan. Yeah, like the the I don't know if
they're frozen or like in like weirdGoo like some weird goog. But they

(10:24):
had they had a bunch of Jedior it was young wings, right,
there were some young Wings. Therewere definitely there were definitely some Jedi in
there. My assumption or deduction isthat they're all forced sensitive beings, Like
they're all like have like a highMidichlorian count. So it's all kind of
like going together, like with whatthey did with Grogu and in the Mandalorian,

(10:46):
especially the first season, like tryingto harvest like blood samples that are
high in Midichlorian count to do somethingwith them Project Necromancer, which I assume
is like reinfusing past like deceased Jedi, Sith whatever with high or even like

(11:09):
not Jedi or Sith like just powerfulbeings like skilled beings with Midichlorians and creating
like an essentially an undead army offor sensitive beings, kind of like what
we saw in Ahsoka, but likewith a little bit of a different spin
on it, you know. Butthe connection between what like with Mount Tantis

(11:30):
is and the Vault is. Inthe Throng books, they refer to Mount
Tantis as the Emperor's storehouse, solike everything that the Emperor had, relic
wise, weapons, whatever you canthink of, was stored to Mount Tantis.
So like, I can definitely seethe connection being like solidified a little
bit more and as Bad Batch goeson. But I don't think it's for

(11:52):
the sake of the Throng trilogy.It's for the sake of, like you
mentioned, pretty much reinforcing the somehowPalpatine return thing. And in the Throng
books, like they make a cloneof Luke Skywalker like from Mountaintis. Like
that's that's the big difference for me, And that's like my kind of like
conflict in the relationship I have withlike where they are. Outside of that,

(12:16):
it's solid so far. I mean, it's it's not like the show
hit the ground Running or anything.It's not my favorite, you know,
pilot or first few episodes of numberone The Bad Batch. I think season
one of The Bad Batch that wasmy favorite pilot because we got to see
young Caleb Dooham, that show's toptier stars. So that was good.
It was really good. But likeif you could compare what's happening so far

(12:39):
in season three to the other twoseasons is and one thing that I do
like about it is it's linear,Like they're not kind of like jumping all
over the place or not like goingon all these different expeditions and missions.
Like it's finally like one linear storyand there's definitely promise to it. I
will say that I like, likeJoe said, I definitely like the relationship
between Crime Sarah Omega. Now,for some reason, I thought Crosshair was

(13:03):
dead. I thought he died inthe in the snow in season two.
No, he was just uh,the other clone that he was with.
He think he was like trying tosave him, Yeah, because Crosshair killed
the like that commander or whatever.Yeah, but he was still like like
heavily injured essentially, Like he essentiallyat that moment I think is essentially when

(13:26):
cross Hair like turned his chips stilllike that not working so well. Well,
I think his chip was already kindof fucked up. He was just
kind of mixed up in like thething like good soldiers follow orders and right,
and then it was it took thatclone that was on the snow planet.
I forget where they were. Butit took him to can pretty much

(13:46):
say like no, we like,you know, think for yourself type thing.
Right, Pretty pretty good episode,honestly, Yeah, Yeah, for
sure. Yeah, final thoughts.I I like that there's kind of like
a second little not Bad Batch,but kind of like forgotten like clone group,
Like those young clones that like theyreally wanted to be like part of

(14:07):
the army and they wanted to likedo their duty and their honor, and
they're kind of in the same likeconflict with the galaxy and like them being
you know, here's what we weremade for, but now we're being outcasted,
like kind of identity crisis kind ofthing. Both that little like the
younger group of Clones and in theBad Batch part of the Bad Batch are
kind of in that same category goingthrough the same thing. I like that,

(14:31):
But yeah, I mean, II'm looking forward to how the season
continues and how it finishes, butI don't think we've got the big like
hook Line and Seeker quite yet.And I don't know how many episodes there's
supposed to be. I'm assuming it'sgonna be, like I think it's gonna
be at least twelve. Now Ithink they're gonna be like at least twenty.

(14:52):
Oh really, yeah, because that'show they that's how long they normally
are. No, that's how longthey normally are. But for some reason,
I figured that they would make thisseason shorter for some reason. Oh
yeah, no that I'm pretty sureit's at least it's it's around twenty here.
Let me let me just I needto confirm this. And if that
is true, that makes me lookforward to it even more because that gives

(15:13):
Yes, they're shorter episodes, butit's fifteen. It's fifteen, ok,
shorter? Yeah, And then therethere's gonna be like some weeks where they
drop a couple episodes at once.After after after episode five, they're gonna
drop six and seven together. Thenthey're gonna drop ten and eleven together,
and then that's it. Series finaleson May first. I always feel like
they're at in time. Yeah.No, it's always right on time for

(15:37):
May the fourth, And I alwaysfeel like something always has to happen on
like May the fourth. I meanit's on a Saturday. This year.
I don't know, I feel likenothing super big happens, but I could
I could just be forgetting like I'mlooking for like an announcement or some shit.
You know. Yeah, well that'sactually kind of ironic. Well,
I'm sure it was planned. Butthe fact that the season finales on May

(15:58):
first, the five oh first,that's like a clone reference. That's that's
that's fitting. No, yeah,five to one, damn first, and
then on the third, on thethird, you got Phantom Menace coming back
into theaters again. Fucking Star Wars. I think it's the third Man,

(16:21):
definitely can't there. Yeah, Iknow I posted or I have the poster
on. I know it's May twentytwenty four. I don't know if it's
the actual third I just know it'sin May. It's definitely in May,
and I'm assuming it's around me thefourth Star Wars sebration, And I do
think it's like we do we dohave another Star Wars celebration this year right
in Tokyo. I don't know ifit's in this year, but I know

(16:44):
the next one's in Tokyo. Yeah, it might be twenty twenty five.
Yeah, I think you're right eitherway. I don't know, like what's
happening in bad Batch right now,Like I'm definitely not as invested into the
show as I was in the firsttwo seasons, but I'm also like consuming
other content, like other sci ficontent, fantasy content, that kind of
stuff. I've kind of shifted alittle bit from other watching Star Wars all

(17:06):
the time. You know, there'sother shows that are just snagging your attention
right now. Oh yeah, absolutely. But yeah, it's it's about a
three out of five or three anda half out of five for me,
I'd agree with that score. Again, they're they're they're still doing like the
best three D animation that we've reallyever seen in a show or a movie
like that. That's still I thinkthe most unique thing about the show.

(17:29):
But yeah, I mean it's it'salso nice because it comes out on a
Wednesday, so it kind of likefills in the week. You know,
you got something to look forward toon home Day. But yeah, I'm
excited to see like what happens forsure, not my It's not my top
priority. Especially I mean, I'msure you could catch that considering I'm an
episode behind. They're also short episodestoo, so it's like, fuck,

(17:52):
I only get like twenty seven minutes, twenty eight minutes, thirty minutes of
a show like it's not enough,you know, I kind of want to
do it, like least two episodesat a time. Now, I hear
that for sure. Okay, that'lldo it for the bad batch. Up
next, we'll talk about some Dune, maybe a little bit of part one,
but mostly Part two. But let'sjust take one more break for some

(18:14):
ads, all right, Dune.Dune Part two, directed by Dnievil Neve.
I hope I'm saying that right.Stars Timothy Shalamys and Dea Austin Butler,
Rebecca First, Rebecca Ferguson, JavierBardem just an all star cast with
a score by Hans Zimmer or ourgoat if you will, takes place like

(18:38):
literally minutes, maybe maybe like anhour or two, Like if the ending
of Dune Part one is just themwalking like I imagine like in Dune time
or a rackets time, maybe themovie takes place like an hour or two
later, like they they had justdone like an hour or two of walking
to end up where they are atthe beginning of part two. Really a

(19:00):
great opening, But let me juststart off with some quick general thoughts here.
I'm gonna just be a little negativeto start, and I'm really just
like complaining about the experience in themovie and not the actual movie itself,
but pretty much the first night Isaw it, it was an Imax seventy

(19:21):
milimeter, and if you guys don'tknow what seventy millimeter is, it's pretty
much the giant Imax screen that goesfrom like the floor to the ceilings.
It's huge, and it's like reallyabsurd, Like you have to get a
good picture and a good viewing ofthe screen, you have to sit at
the very top or at least likeeither the top or like a couple rows
down, otherwise you'll be literally lookingstraight up. And I was maybe like

(19:47):
maybe like ten rows up and Istill had to look up at it was
it was. It was awesome.I don't know what it was like.
There must have been a fly ora moth that kept on getting on the
camera lens and it was there forlike most of the movie, and it
would fly away, but every timeit came back there was just like this
little tiny shadow on the screen.I was like, damn, this is

(20:07):
fucking this distracting as hell, andI'm just trying to be immersed in the
fucking movie. And then I don'tknow if it was like the giant seventy
milimeters screen. But the film doesthis thing where it goes from like the
darkest scene in the movie, andthen it goes straight to like being out
in the desert super bright, andit's just like, ah fuck, Like

(20:30):
you're just smacks in the face.And sometimes in some of these scenes where
were they're out in the desert,it looked like like the like the sun
was like flickering a bunch on thescreen, and I was that part of
it was distracting. But again it'sjust me complaining doesn't take away from the
score. Yeah, So first thingthat I thought after the movie ended was

(20:51):
that obviously me and you weren't aroundfor the original Star Wars trilogy. I
don't think i'd ever caught Lord ofthe Rings and theaters. Maybe I did,
but I'm probably too I was probablytoo young to remember, or I
fell asleep during them because we werekids, you know, so either I
don't think I ever saw him though, but I'm happy to have experienced Ding

(21:12):
part two. I think I thinkit is on par with those great sci
fi or fantasy trilogies, you know, Like I said, the cast is
superb. Hans Zimmer's music is absolutelybanging and the visuals are absolutely stunning.
Like Aaron, I remember like whenwe briefly chatted, like maybe that one

(21:33):
of the last times he went tothe movies was when we saw The Batman
and he told me, like,dude, that was probably like one of
the greatest cinematic experience I've ever had. And yeah, no, I was
like, yeah, the Batman's reallygood. What's funny about that is the
person that the cinematographer that worked onthe visuals for The Batman is the same
guy for Dune Part two and healso did Dune Part one, so his

(21:56):
name's Greg Frazier, and these visualsare fucking literally out of this world.
Yeah, so I have it ata very high score. It was an
easy, really easy five out offive for me. Quick general thoughts from
you before we start talking like likeany specifics. So you talked a little
bit about like your like movie goingexperience rather than like the actual movie itself.

(22:22):
So my feeder was pretty much soldout except for like the very very
front row. There was like almostnobody sitting there, which obviously mine was
completely full. That's insane. It'sI don't remember the last time I saw
a movie with that many people init, I think the last one that
I saw was probably because I generallyI pretty much never go on premier night

(22:47):
because like I don't like people thatHey, that's fair, that's fair.
And it's not like I don't likepeople in general. It's just like the
more people I'm around, the morechances of like a negative experience, you
know what I mean, Like ifyou're the only one in the audience,
like, of course it's gonna bea positive experience. The only counterpoint to

(23:07):
that, which is my next pointabout my movie going experience, is that
like one of those moments we've allseen the meme, the clip of you
know, Captain America and Endgame wieldingEmmy Owner and the fucking crowd goes wild.
That is the one element of goingto a sold out theater that I
that I like and enjoy and itgives me goose bumps. That's the negative

(23:29):
part about my movie going experience.Like nobody cheered, nobody like made any
noise. It was like the mostquiet packed theater I've ever been in,
like even for even for like thetrailers, Like I remember you going to
movies like when I was younger andwatching trailers, and you know, like
I was expecting people like when Wolverineand dead pulling Wolverine came up, like

(23:52):
to clap, like at least alittle bit. Nobody did, and like
nobody did it during the movie,Like nobody there was just it felt like
there wasn't a lot of enthusiasm throughoutthe movie. And to be fair,
like I didn't have a lot ofenthusiasm like outside of me, but holy
fuck man, like I was gluedto that screen. I saw it in
Imax with laser. I don't knowwhat that necessarily means in terms of like

(24:17):
the technology behind it. Yeah,I mean to piggyback on. Just like
another one of your points, likevisuals, you almost should not watch Like
when it does come to like hometheater for rent or for sale or whatever,
you almost should not watch it unlessyou know somebody or have you either
know somebody who has one or youhave yourself a banging home entertainment system because

(24:42):
like you, like I swear,it takes away from like thirty to forty
percent of the movie. If youdon't watch it on a laptop, don't
watch it with the sound down.It's just so immersive. The sound.
The sound is really important for thisfuck the sound is insane. And that's

(25:03):
the one bad thing about where Iwas sitting, because I was sitting at
like the very very top last row. Great great view, but like with
how many speakers are in a movietheater, that's not the ideal place to
sit. Like you want to sitlike in the absolute center to get like
all like the full three sixties aroundsound score. Oh my god, on
Zimmer, he's done it again.Cast is amazing. Don't forget about Dave

(25:26):
Patista, Don't forget about freaking stellingscars Guard, don't forget about freaking goats,
Josh Brolin, Josh and Christopher walkingfucking browling. Oh my god,
it's just so good. I mean, it's just incredible ensemble for sure,
top to bottom. I mean,everything about it is is fantastic. I

(25:47):
had to go with my roommate resting. He fuck he he says he'll agree
everything I say from now on,and what I've said about the movie he'd
agree with. I mean, youdon't even know, Like I wasn't even
like even when I saw the firstdune, Like Dune was not really like
a thing for me. Like interms of like the culture and stuff.
But like once it got closer tothe release of the second movie and just

(26:11):
like hearing all the hype around itand then seeing the second movie, I'm
like, all right, Dune's definitelyone of my things. Now, it's
amazing. It's you have to seeit before you die. You have to.
It's a bucket list thing. Youhave to. No, No,
I'm right there with you. Wemight have chatted about this the last time

(26:34):
we all potted about the first Dunemovie when with Brian, because Brian's the
only one that actually knew about Duneof the three of us pretty much,
I didn't know anything about it.I just knew I liked didn't eveld knows
movies. He was announced as adirector, and uh, they had announced
the cast. The cast was reallycool. Honestly, I think I was

(26:55):
obsessed, Like they might have announcedit when Game of Thrones was still going
on and I saw Jason Momoa aspart of the cast. I was like,
oh, fuck, yeah, thisis gonna be cool. So so
yeah, I like since to Brian, I was like, hey, what's
what's like doing about and like hehad briefly told me, like oh,
it's like it was like one ofthe main inspirations for Star Wars. And

(27:18):
funny enough, if you see,like if you watch this movie, like
super random comment, but you cansee where like just the way that you
know Paul's relationship with shawnny and Ithink that's mainly it, and then like
his turn towards the end, youcan kind of see where like the Star
Wars bit, like the Star Warstype of drama starts to come in,
you know, same same tropes.But yeah, no, and then like

(27:42):
I saw the first movie and Iwas like, you know, a lot
a lot of people really didn't likeit. It's a lot of like something
that Hollywood's really trying to do rightnow that some folks aren't really fan of.
Me personally, I don't care.I think it's great. Is like
splitting their movies like A Part oneand a Part two, maybe Dune,
Like you know, you could arguethat like, oh, the story's incomplete,

(28:04):
but like to me, I thinkDune Part one is about it's mostly
about the a Tredees and it's mostlyabout Paul. But at the end of
the day, just as long aslike at least like your main protagonist or
who has led to believe like goesthrough a little character arc. Then I
think it's it's a complete movie thatarc, being like if you think about

(28:26):
the conversation with his dad at thebeginning of the movie, he's like,
oh, like like what if I'mnot like what if I'm not supposed to
lead house to trades? Like whatif I'm not supposed to be the one
that like it's that that call touh the call to adventure for your hero,
right and he said, like,you know, Oscar, it's a
really nice scene. It's a reallynice moment between Oscar, Isaac and Shalome.
We got all the graves around him. Yeah. He's like, oh,

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yeah, no, if if youlike, if you refuse the call,
you'll still be the only thing I'dever need you to be, like
my son. And I'm like,oh, that's really that's cute touching,
you know, h And then he'slike, maybe you'll find your own way
to it. Slight spoilers, butthat moment right there pays off in the
movie cause there's a moment when likehe puts on his dad's ring when he's

(29:10):
singing it, when he's sitting onthe sand and he's like he like he
literally says to myself, I've foundmy way. That's a great little pay
like a little small payoff that.Yeah, and there are many in part
too, but we'll we'll maybe we'llget into some of those. But anyway,
I don't want to backtrack too much. But we were talking about the
sound and all that stuff, andlike the experience in Imax. I was
able to see it twice over theweekend. Second time I saw it in

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Dolby, and I think I actuallyprefer it in Dolby, mostly because I
think with Dolby the sound is alittle more refined, like Imax is just
big and boomy and just like superloud. But like while Dolby is allowed,
I feel like the sounds are alittle like like it feels like if
you turned it up more, itwouldn't blow out your speakers. That makes

(29:53):
sense, you know, Oh no, you you're absolutely right, like and
and it just like a little sidebarto what saying, like the soundboar I
got has Dolby ATMOS on it andDolby utmost came from movie theater technology,
like Dolby made at most because ofthe movie theater like entertainment business and you're
right, like that that's what itis. It's like if you were to

(30:15):
hear like a fly like going likein all different directions, you would actually
like hear it in all different directions. And it's clean, it's powerful,
it's impactful. No, and thenyeah no and Dolby too. Like Imax,
the sheets the seats do shake,but they take even more so in

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in Dolby, the vibrations in theroom are so intense that I'm pretty sure
that even the screen, like theprojector's screen would like vibrate a little bit.
So it's it was crazy to watchbecause like when you're when when it's
like a sandworm scene, and forwhen the sound the sound of the sandworms
when they're flying it sounds like arocket ship. Is so crazy. It

(30:59):
sounds like a rocket ship or ajet, you know. And then as
it's like going through the screen,the projector screen is like vibrating in the
middle, I'm like, is thispart of the movie, like what's going
to come out of the screen.So in Dolby it is really cool.
But I think I do like,like I think you briefly brought this up
earlier. I do like a morepacked audience, and I think that's what

(31:23):
IMAX will serve because there are moreseats in Imax. So yeah, don't
be definitely really cool any other anyother like like random thoughts. I feel
like I've gotten most of my generalthoughts across other than maybe this might be
a little bit more specific, butwe're talking about specifics. Yeah, well,
let me let me go to amiddle ground from like general, like

(31:47):
in between general and specifics. Thepace of the movie I felt, I
felt like the pace of the moviewas perfect, Like there were definitely there
were definitely times where it was moreof like a dialogue. It was just
extile with them, yeah, andI was like, ah, they're just
gonna talk and talk and talk andtalk, and I want to see some

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action because it's like, I knowthis movie is gonna be more action packed
than the first one because the firstone was set up. But every time
I had that thought, Nope,I was wrong. The dialogue was like
perfect, like perfect length, andthen it goes into some sort of action,
whether it's the final battle at theend or like action in you know,

(32:29):
the love between Zendia or Channy andPaul, you know what I mean.
But like, you know, whatI mean, Like it's not like
there's never like a boring moment inthe movie, even when it is like
just dialogue. And also like theblend between. Yes, obviously it's just

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fantastic audio, fantastic visual everything,fantastic cinematography, but like it's just like
a perfect fifty to fifty of thosethings and story, Like the story is
told so like I feel like it'stold in a short way because they had
to put so much action into it, but it's told like very well.

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I didn't leave the theater thinking like, oh, like, well, what
about this relationship with this character andthis relationship with that character. And even
if I did have that thought,I'm like, all right, well they'll
probably answer that. And dude,Messiah right, like yeah, it's there's
things are a lot for a reason. Yeah, there weren't like a lot
of like things that didn't make senseor like loose ends that were like why

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didn't they answer this towards the end, like if they like if there was
any like like you just said,it can be answered in the next movie,
Like it's a it's a question thatI'm willing to wait for because you
know it will pay off. No, I felt the same way. There
was nothing that I like thought waslike lacking. Yeah, no, I

(34:00):
it's it's literally a perfect movie.Weird to say that, you're like like
like when I like when I saythat, like there's no we we've chatted
about it briefly, like like whenI make my like final thoughts on the
movie, Like I'm like, didI really just say that about this movie?
And it's like, damn, it'strue though, like it it's actually

(34:23):
it's actually true, Like like Iwoke up today like still thinking about the
movie, like, holy shit,still vibrating from all the fucking bass.
God, it's so good. Andlike to get into just like character development
a little bit. Poll's rapid,somewhat rapid transition from like this unsung hero

(34:44):
who's called to destiny, like youknow, he's got his hero's call and
the protagonist to go that fast tokind of the villain of the movie.
Is like how do they just dothat in like one movie, well two
movies, but just in this movie, You're like, I don't know how
they did it. No, Iknow what you're trying to get at.

(35:04):
And I actually had a note onthis. I had a section for negatives
in my notes, and I don'tthink this is a negative at all,
But I tried thinking about it ina way where like did they did they
tried did they lay enough groundwork down? You know? It's like you said,
it feels like his turn happened alittle a little quickly, right,
But at the same time, it'slike at the beginning of the movie,

(35:24):
he's mostly driven by revenge, likefrom the start, Like you hear that
between him and his mom when they'rewhen they first get to get to the
seech and like his mom, LadyJessica, tries to tell me. He's
like, you know, your fatherdidn't believe in revenge, and he was
like, yeah, well I do. And they're talking about how like he's

(35:45):
talking about like he already has likea like a plan in place. He's
like, oh, like there aresome people here that that believe that I'm
already like the Lison al Kayib andthere's like half of like there's the other
half of people that don't, andI need to get them to believe because
that's the only way I'm gonna likestop Spicer production, and that's the only

(36:06):
way I'm gonna get back to thehearkenins so it's almost like like he already
had like kind of like ill intentfrom the start of the movie that might
not be super clear by the endof doing Part one. Like I think
the only thing that will lay thegroundwork for that is, you know,
every time he has one of hisvisions in Part one or whatever, I'm
thinking specifically, I'm thinking about,like, oh, when he's having his

(36:28):
vision in the tent and he's thinkingabout the Holy War, So you know,
I think I think they did laydown enough, and like he already
had that thought of revenge in hismind, and then maybe he kind of
deterred away from that once he startedto you know, become one of the
freemen. He became a Fedaichin orwhatever. And then next thing, you

(36:49):
know, fad er Altha comes tothe planet and destroys the Seech. And
I think that was like the lastthing that like that was like the straw
that broke the Camel's back. He'slike, Okay, I need to I
need to unlock my powers. I'mgonna go drink the water of life.
And Timothy Schallome was so great,like after he drank the water of life,
same thing with Lady, same thingwith Lady Jessica, like both of

(37:09):
their personalities changed immediately, Like thoseare not the same characters anymore. And
it's almost like them as actors likethey were thirsting for that water of life,
like on set they're like, man, I can't fucking wait for this
like change of character and like changeof mo o or like ulterior motive or

(37:30):
whatever it is. And on topof all that happening with Paul, even
before he drank the water of life, the influence of spice on him because
he's like super sensitive to it,right, Like, I think that's also
like a big influence on kind ofpushing him into that direction of that thirst
for revenge, you know. AndI think on top of that too,

(37:51):
he knows that his existence is likepart of like a grander plan because of
the Benny Jester it. So thatkind of can't it right? Yeah,
that probably doesn't sit right with you, and when you just feel like you're
kind of just like a pawn anda grander scheme of themes like I have.
So I'm not trying to defend himit, but no, Like I

(38:13):
think the movie really tackles that stuffreally well because it's almost like I saw
a tweet one time. I don'tremember who tweeted it, but everyone says,
how this is like it's almost likequote unquote anti blockbuster movie in a
way. By anti blockbuster movie,it's always like, you know, you
have your hero, and they followthe hero's journey and they win at the

(38:34):
end. But with this one,he's like built out to be the hero
in the first movie. And ofcourse everyone that like knows I've never read
the books, and I'm not gonnapretend I know. I'm like, I
know everything about the books. Ijust do a couple of wiki searches here
and there, and I just knowwhat happens. But they build him out
and it's almost like by the endof Dune Part two, like something's happened
in the film, it's like,okay, well, Stillgar is like did

(38:57):
you laugh at Stillgar a lot inthis Still Guard because it's Still Guard is
so funny. Yeah, it's commentaryon like religion. It's like, yeah,
yeah, even if something happens,that's not part of the prophecy.
He's like, oh yeah, likethat's still part of the prophecy, you
know what I mean. Like it'sit's like as written as written, like
it's such like a small but impactfulcomment on yeah, like religion just throughout

(39:22):
history. Like he's too humble tosay that he is he is the prophet
that makes him even more so likethat shit's so funny, but also at
the same time, it's like youfeel bad for like laughing at it at
the end. You know it's fiction, but like it's almost like no,
this is actually like really dangerous andlike you said it, but the whole

(39:44):
commentary on faith and fanaticism, Ithink this this movie tackles that really well
because you know, you have theyounger generation of fremen Zendia and her people
that are very much like skeptical aboutfaith versus you know, the older the
generation and that's like still Garden hispeople. There's like two different of of

(40:04):
like how you know, how twodifferent generations approach like you know, worship
or whatever, you know. AndI think that's something that's pretty prevalent in
today's society. So that's that's likereally good. Uh yeah, I really
I really dug that. I thinkit was a good, good approach,
good execution for sure. Yeah,and especially like along that like religious commentary,

(40:28):
and again, like Joe said,I haven't read the books either.
I've only done like a little bitof Reddit surfing Internet surfing for like a
little bit more than what the movieshave told us so far. And it's
not obvious, but it's it's apparentif you're like looking for it. But
the fact that the whole prophecy andPaul being like the it's not even the

(40:52):
chosen one, that's there's a differentname for the chosen One, but the
Thesan they there's the Lussan al Kayiband no, but there's there's also another
one. But the al Gaib isan idea that the Benny Jesuit came up
with and like a long time ago, and they instilled like a fake prophecy

(41:15):
that doesn't exist amongst like the Fremen. And it's just so weird, how
like when you have this mass amountof people that don't have a lot,
that need purpose in life will believeit and have faith in it, and
they will like carry it out tothe end of their days or beyond the

(41:36):
grave, depending on you know,spirituality or whatever. It's such like a
hard thing to grasp and like comprehend, you know, but for the for
the sake of the movie, likeit's fucking perfect because they well and even
in history, like they turn intoa fucking army, like the people who
are live in the south, likethe southern hemisphere of Oracus and like you

(42:00):
were saying, like the people thatdon't believe me, like they need to
start believing it. Like it's kindof on that same notion. And there's
even a moment when Lady Jessica istalking to her her baby, who is
Aliyah atreades that that show is prettyfunny to me too, is because like
the baby is plotting more than themom, Like the baby has plans,

(42:20):
you know, and uh, LadyJessica is like literally praying on these people
like oh, we we need uh, we need the ones that don't believe
to believe and we need to goafter the weak ones like using fear or
something like that. And I'm like, damn, that's some sinister shit,
some sinister And again it's another commenton like religion. And I'm not saying

(42:44):
like all religions do that or religionsdo do that, but like, depending
on your views in the modern day, maybe they do do that, you
know, I don't know. LadyJessica has like such a fucking like the
same thing with Paul, like theturn of her like character and like how
she starts acting. It's just likeyou know, you you you kind of

(43:05):
had like sympathy and you you wereencouraging and like applauding and hoping to see
that like Paul and Jessica live tosee another day and like triumphed over evil.
But then you know, towards themiddle of the movie, you're like,
oh my god, Jessica becomes likeshe becomes fucking like kind of crazy.
Yeah. No, It's It's totallytrue though, because I mean A's

(43:29):
at some point I will admit Iwas like like, yeah, fuck yeah,
the Trates, let's fucking go.And oh yeah. The only the
only moment that I was like thatwas obviously when uh, like in the
final fight scene when like all thesandworms are just eating up all the Sarda
car. Like, maybe if thebattle ended there and the conflict ended there,
then maybe I would feel differently.But you know, because just knowing

(43:53):
what the Emperor and pretty much everyoneelse all plotted against the a Tredees,
and then Paul finally got his armyand like he got his revenge. It's
it's like it's kind of satisfying ina way, but then what transpires afterwards
is like I know, oh boy, never mind, but no, I

(44:15):
just want to go back to,uh, the whole idea of the anti
blockbuster, because like I was mentioningsomething about how like you rally behind your
hero almost like kind of blindly,and then they win in the end,
and like that's it, you know, happy ending with Paul's arc from the
first movie till the end of thismovie. It's almost like the story kind

(44:37):
of feels like Game of Thrones ina way where or maybe this idea like
inspired parts of Game of Thrones,Like you know, they're like with exception
like John Snow, there are nolike heroes Willie and Game of Thrones,
you know, like everyone kind ofhas like can't trust anybody. It's the
same here. It's like you can'tjust Paul's messed up, dude. Yeah,

(45:00):
yeah, I know. It's allit's almost like an anti hero's journey.
I don't I don't know if that'sthe right term for it, but
yeah, well, and it's it'sa weird I think combination of the two.
It's like an anti hero's journey andin the hero's journey, and you
still find yourself like rooting for Pauleven when he becomes like a villain,

(45:20):
like you're but you're rooting for himin a different way, like you want
to see him like redeem himself.You want to see him back with Zendaya
or Channy. That part like themlike splitting up and like Channing not trusting
Paul anymore was like a heartbreaker forme. What have you done? Like
what if he what have you?And even like when he says he says

(45:45):
like like in the scene where he'sfighting Fade Ralpha and he says, like
you know, he repeats what hesaid to her in the tent and he
says like, I will love youuntil my like my last breath essentially,
yeah, I'll I'll love you aslong as I breathe, as long as
I breathe. And he follows itwith asking for the hand of the Emperor's

(46:05):
daughter, and you're like, whatthe fuck is happening man? And you
but you still know that like there'san ulterior motive, like he doesn't love
the emperor's daughter. Yeah, he'snot doing it for love, Like he's
doing it because he wants to belike the Emperor. I'm trying to,
like, you know, since we'reStar Wars podcast, I'm trying to figure
out if this is like like,would you say this aligns more with Anakin

(46:27):
becoming Darth Vader, or would yousay it aligns more with Luke Skywalker defeating
the Emperor then becoming the Emperor.Is it more along lines of like Anakin
Darth Vader or Luke Skywalker defeating theEmperor then turning to the dark side.
Honestly, I think Paul's character orjust like the important characters and the main

(46:49):
characters in Dune are well, Paulspecifically actually is actually a combination of them.
That's why it's so hard to like, so hard yet so fun to
follow his character development because it's likeso many different themes and tropes in one
character. Like he's like the chosenone, right, Like obviously there's that

(47:12):
with Anakin, but he's also likeshe's Darth Vader too, because it's kind
of like a fall to the darkside. I have a feeling in Dude,
Messiah, there's going to be aredemption arc or like a redemption quality
within Paul, whether it whether ornot he has like a change of heart
or whatever it is, like it'sstill gonna be both like Anakin and Luke

(47:32):
combined. I guess yeah, bookreaders are probably like listening to this right
now and be like, oh youmotherfuckers, I'm not doing the old book
reading thing. Man. Now,I think I might read dude, Messiah.
I have some years we or wehave years before that movie comes out.
Oh yeah, And I'm not sayinglike I'm not going to read the
books. What I'm saying is like, I'm not I'm not going to go

(47:55):
I'm not going to cater to likethe people that are like, oh,
you never read the book. Solike we're just being honest. We're just
being honest about what we were givenfrom the movie. Give us a break.
I'm sorry, Like I'm immersing myselfin a culture that you love and
I that I love too. It'sjust a different form of media. That's
the point of media to express thingsin different ways. Mother fuckers. Sorry,

(48:20):
it's true, though, It's true. I probably will listen to the
audio books at some point. Though. Yeah, I think I have the
first one to go back to thewhole blockbuster thing. I think with also
with every blockbuster where you're following likea good hero. The music and the
score it's always like upbeat and uplifting. You can listen to any like musical
score from any like Star Wars.Star Wars music is very like uplifting at

(48:44):
times when when it's not like thedark side stuff. Whenever Luca is on
screen, he has his own themesong. It all sounds nice like Harry
Potter. Sounds very nice when youlisten to it. But I think even
from just the musical score from thefirst film, it never sound did it
like heroic. It always sounded prettysinister, you know what I mean.

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The guitar that Hans Zimmer uses alwayssounds pretty pretty evil or it's like somewhere
in between, like it wants tobe good, but it also wants to
be bad. It's kind of likeominous and like eerie. You know.
Yeah, ominous and eerie is isprobably the best way to put it.
But I think that's very purposeful too, because it like it's like a subtle

(49:25):
thing to throw in there the musicalscore. But no, I yeah,
I think that that's my head canon. I think that's what Hans Zimmer wanted
to do it. This means absolutely, oh absolutely, so it always sounded
very sinister to me, so furious. You know, it's like you don't
quite know what's happened, Like youknow what's happening, but you don't know

(49:45):
what's gonna happen next. Kind ofkind of feel to it. You know,
let's see favorite scenes. I wantto go back to this opening.
Well, yeah, really set thetone and then you're gonna hate me for
this. In the beginning when theylike when the hearkenin's like they turn on
like that little floaty flight suit andthey float from like the cliff up up

(50:07):
the little mountain, and the scorejust drops when one of them, when
the first one just takes a flight, no no, no, when when
he first takes flight off the groundand Hans Zimmer just comes in, I'm
like, ye, it's so hard. But then, like the other thought
that I had was in my headbecause Oscar Isaac was in Dune Part one,
so I immediately thought of Oscar Isaacin Rise of Skywalker, going they

(50:31):
fly now, Oh my god,damn it, they floated. I was
like, oh, fuck, theyfly now. That's a true Star Wars
fan at heart, man, that'sa true Star Wars fan. So I
know, but no. Aside fromthat, the opening is so fucking crazy,

(50:52):
like each time one of them hitsthe ground after they get sniped off
the cliff, and like Jesus,you can feel each in one of those
bodies drop. It was really intense. But let's see. Uh, something
that we haven't really talked about yetis Austin Butler is Fader out the Aaron.
I don't know if you've seen AustinButler and anything else, but dude,
this whole so he was Elvis,I'll tell you that much. He

(51:14):
was Elvis in the last like Elvismovie. He is fucking a freak in
this movie, He's and the whole, the whole thing with his introduction on
Uh, I think their planet isGiddy Prime. That's where that's where the
hearkenings are from. I think it'sso cool that like their son like makes
the entire planet black and white.It's so fucking weird. It's like you

(51:39):
feel like you're watching like a noirfilm from like the fucking like the thirties
or some shit. You know.Yeah, and the fight scenes in the
Colosseum are really cool, and uh, I love like the the fireworks that
are in the Colosseum because they're notlike even though they sound like fireworks,
they're like ink blots. Those littledetails make this world and just the world

(52:04):
of Doune, Like every planet isso immersed in its own way, you
know. It's like when you see, like the first second you see a
scene from a different world, youknow exactly where you are. If you're
on fucking Guinea Prime, you fuckingknow you're there. And of course,
like we keep talking about the score, but Hans Zimmer really came in with
this whole like this whole Colisseum sequence, like everything is so banging and loud.

(52:28):
I'm just like, oh man,this is this fucking cinema, right,
what do you think about the ColosseumI I and I love like the
entire time, Like there's like justa little like fed Routh the fed route,
like everyone's just chanting it at anygiven moment. I'm like, jeez,
man, this intense that is Likethe whole coliseum thing is my third

(52:51):
favorite scene because like with the amountof people that are in that colisseum,
you're like, okay, we kindof knew as the audience, don't fuck
with the hearkenins now we know,like, holy ship, there are so
many like psychopath dude, Like thefirst order scene in uh, the Forts

(53:12):
Awakens, it's like Nazi Germany.Bro, It's like, Holy fuck,
these fanatics, these like it's it'sjust like so fucking powerful. And the
fight scene is fucking fantastic, Likejust the one duel with the guy where
he like took his like shield off. That was that's just really good stuff.
And it's like it's Vladimir like tryingto fucking it's not trying to kill

(53:34):
him. It's more of like atest, like all right, if you're
serious, like you're gonna kill thisguy. God damn I wanted fucking fade
Ralph to fucking die so bad,but we all knew was the audience like
he ain't dying. He ain't dying, bro, there's no way. Yeah,
but what what a what an introductionto a character that that's that's gotta
be one of the like one ofthe best introductions to a character that I've

(53:57):
ever seen. It was so insane. But another favorite scene of mine Paul's
monologue like right before they go backnorth, like it's after he drinks the
water life wait when he's in likethe like the Underground and he's like,
oh no, you you can't speakunless you're speaking for somebody else, and
he's yea supposed to kill Stilgar.Yeah, oh that is my favorite scene.

(54:21):
That's your favorite scene when he's whenhe's telling them, he's like,
I'm gonna lead you all into paradise, like and he pretty much just accepts
that he is like who he is. Well, the fact that he was
like, I'm not doing it theway that you want me to. I'm
gonna read your fucking mind's improve thatI'm I'm the Lisan. Yeah, I'm

(54:42):
like I'm the Lison. Actually,Okay, even he talks to that guy
and he pretty much says like,oh, I know, like you lost
your grandmother and all this and prettymuch just started predicting everything or like looking
into the past. He's pretty muchjust rallying everybody and he's like, I'm
gonna lead you all to green Paradise. Like Timothy shall May is excellent here.
He's perfect. He's perfect. He'sso good, and I honestly I

(55:06):
thought for a split second he wasgonna use the voice on everybody in the
room. Oh man, that wouldhave been nice. I was like,
don't do that. Please, don'tdo that, because then you're gonna be
exactly why you don't like your motherright now, because she used the voice
to influence people that you're you're theprophet, and he didn't. And I
was like, oh, all right, thank god, he just did it

(55:27):
with his he did it in hisown way. Oh yeah, no,
okay, now we have to Thisis obviously my this is my favorite scene,
the final duel at the end isyou know me, I I like
my action and I like my likeintimate fight scenes, and this is like
one of the best fight scenes I'veseen on film ever, just because like

(55:50):
like that just the way he startsit off. Because if you think about
the final duel in the last inpart one, and you think about how
he fights there versus how he howhe fights here, you could definitely see
how his character has changed, notbecause just because of the water life,
but from also how much time hespent with the Fremen. So that line

(56:13):
he says before he starts fighting FadeRautha, he says, made thy knife,
chip and shatter and dune part one, Jomas says that to him,
and it's more so just like andI've looked this up a million times because
I was just like, this soundscool as fuck, and I know there's
some other meaning behind it, sopretty much it's just like it's a fremen
taunt, like I hope your knifechips and shatters, like defenseless, I'm

(56:36):
gonna fucking kill you. Yeah,yeah, like you're gonna fucking die.
See, I know, Like inthe first movie, Paul is like very
like reluctant to kill Jomas, eventhough he is like clearly the better fighter.
And sometimes I get kind of mixedup, and I think it's a
combination, like Paul seems like heis truly skilled at fighting, but he

(56:58):
also almost like he knows what moveshe needs to make, Like when he's
fighting Johns at the end of partone, he is like reluctant to kill
him. He always wants to showmercy and he's more on like the defense
against John and here he is likegoing for the kill shot every time he
gets a chance, and they're bothlike you could definitely feel the tension and

(57:20):
energy between the both of them thatthey both really want to kill each other.
And the choreography is so good thatyou can kind of feel the impact
of every swing they take, theway the way that the fight ends,
and like the gravity behind why they'refighting. That's like the like why they're
fighting and like what it means ismy favorite part. And also the fact
that Paul still has the fucking knifethat he got from was it from from

(57:45):
Johnny? The one that was madeout of a like a tooth from yeah,
one of the sandworms is like likethe symbolism behind that is fucking amazing.
And also like just knowing what's happeninglike with the Benny Jesuit with this
fight makes it so fucking good.Because the Hearkening guy, I just like

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cannot remember his name for some reason, he was like pretty much influenced to
impregnate one of the Benny Jesuit right, like she like pretty much mind for
f Yeah yeah fade rathah. Andthat's like what all the Benny jeserit do.
They just get fucked by all theselike powerful people in powerful houses to
just like plant seeds of power.Like it's literally like it's what they're doing,

(58:29):
Like it's it's fucking crazy. No, that's fair. Now they say
that, they're like, yeah,we've been carefully crossing blood lines to Yeah,
I didn't say it as gracefully orlike poetically, but like that is
what they're doing. And then prettymuch like the Emperor and like the Emperor's
sadter like kind of giving up onPaul but then now finding out like Paul's
alive, and like it's just likeit's kind of like a duel of the

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faiths type thing like it it hasthe same like like if this one wins,
whoever wins, changes the impact orchanges the the future of the universe,
the galaxy, whatever you want tocall it. But also freaking Channy
putting that blue like sash that's aroundher arm, like taking it off and
then like putting it down farther.The fact that she didn't kneel when Paul

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one. It's like, oh mygod, I can't be more emotionally conflicted
about the relationship between Channy and andyeah, no, Chawny. I really
like how Dune Part one begins withChawnie right, and it's like it's pretty
much her with her people talking about, you know, how the hearken ends

(59:37):
ravage the planet, like who arewho will our next suppressors be? And
then it cuts to Paul this littlelittle little bit of a little bit of
a it could slip over, butyou know, yeah, but then the
movie ends, like Part two endswith Chawny, so like, I think

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she still has like a big roleto play. I do think the world
of Dune and the way that Paul'sgoing, Like without having read Dune,
Messiah, I don't know if redemptionis in the cards. I guess we'll
well, we'll have to wait andsee. But no, I I I'm
really curious to see where where itends up. But her not kneeling was

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was pretty powerful, Like it thishas had to be like the only thing
that he could do that's like thebest outcome for for everybody. I mean,
that's like kind of like things thatyou can look up online. Is
that he's picking, Like the thepath he's deciding to take is like fucked
up, but he thinks it's thebest even though it's still fucked It's it's

(01:00:44):
kind of like the way that Ithought about it, like when he when
he was talking about it, likein the movie, when Paul's talking about
it, like there are many differentpaths, but there's only one. It
kind of reminded me of like doctorstrange, like, you know, yes,
there's only one possible outcome, wasgoing through my head, and it's

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like, you know, it mightnot be the best path for most people
in their initial feelings and thoughts aboutlike the consequences of that path, but
in the end it is the bestfor everyone involved. I do also think
no Finia war is just like,oh well, this is all the good
stuff, you know, Yeah,whatever else happens in the world outside of

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us, winning this battle doesn't reallymatter. At the end of the day.
The heroes have to win. Ilike, I like the youth said
that, because yeah, it's thesame thing. But Dune will show you
like what kind of how bleak thefuture can be. But one person choosing
quote unquote the correct path, rightbecause he already that's that's something that they

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touch on. Some of his visionsare like, oh yeah, most of
my visions and most of my pathslead to horror, like billions of people
are dead and billions so people arestarving. Yeah, no, it's it's
pretty much just taking like a darkerturn on the doctor strange idea. And
it's like also his his visions likehe doesn't know like what, like who,

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what are those billions that are dead? Are they are they hearkenings?
Are they fremen? Like? Like, who are actually these people that are
like dead or the people that youbetrayed or the people that have been stabbed?
Like he doesn't like his visions aren'tthat clear when he has them,
But now that he's drank the waterof life, his visions are clear.
And I don't know, and heknows like he knows. And I also

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see Channey like coming back around tofall in love again with Paul And I
haven't read the books, but Ihave I have a feeling like the way
the story's gonna end is like Johnnie'sgonna fall in love with him again,
like pretty much right before he dies. That's like that's my prediction. But
maybe she's not a big part ofthe story. And I don't know,

(01:02:58):
maybe it's God. I don't know. I just feel like the way that
the story is going, at leastin the in the movies is it can
go so many different ways. Ihave one more favorite scene. It's the
like the final final battle fucking theEmperor. Shit, yeah, comes down
to Oracus. Like the what's reallyweird too, is like, as I

(01:03:20):
was going into my theater. Isaw a poster for Dune and it had
the three worms like coming out ofthe sand on it, and I was
like, oh shit, bro,that's gonna be fucking dope. But the
poster doesn't do a fucking justice man, like all of the Southerners, all
of the like everyone just riding inthe back of those three fucking worms.
Fucking the fact that Paul decided touse like three of those fucking atomic warheads

(01:03:45):
like on the mountains behind their encampmentso that it all just like dust it
over to make like the Fremen Fighterseven more powerful, Like oh my god,
dude, it just you know,I know a lot of people like
they're like, oh, it's justlike a big, like Blockbuster action scene.
But it's like the way I interpretedthat, it was kind of like
a recurring theme, like don't fuckwith the desert, the desert being like

(01:04:09):
a living entity as a whole.Don't fuck with the desert, bro.
The fucking sandworms come out, andyou're like, oh my god, this
is just like I don't I don'tknow how I'm watching this right now,
Like I'm so glad in my lifeto see this. No, and it
just looks good, you know,it looks like fucking visually, it looks
good, like the Emperor's ship,those those big explosions, like the visual

(01:04:30):
effects are really good. And especiallywhen there's like Tremen fight to or Sick
Assassin he flips and ship and doinglike jujitsu and all that, they're like
Ninja's bro, It's crazy. Thisstunk choreography in this movie is nuts.
It's it's so really good. Idon't think you gave your score yet,
but we know it's an easy fiveout of five to ten out of ten

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for me. I mean, it'sjust all the boxes. It's so easy.
It checks all the bottle and itmakes the first movie that much better,
exactly like it makes the first movie. Like I'm I'm gonna go back
and rewatch the first movie, mostlybecause I just want to see if there
are like any of Paul's visions thatwere in the first one that like for

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one, either came true in parttwo, or if there's like even a
vision where it's like, oh,we might see this in Messiah, like
we haven't been see this play outin part two, right, you know
what I mean? But I couldbe wrong there, well, and that
goes That goes back to like whatyou just said right there, because something
that we talked about and like wewere texting, like right before I was
going into the movie, and Iwas saying, like, there's one thing

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that I want to see in thismovie or to at least come true.
It's a vision that Paul had inthe first movie, and it was the
Holy War. And there's the sceneof Paul and Johnny like in a ship
on like the like the exit rampor like entrance ramp, like looking down.
That has to be in Messiah.Yeah, that has to because that

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was definitely wasn't in part two.No, it definitely wasn't in Part two.
But the fact that they like theHoly War is a real fucking thing.
I am so excited for due Messiah, Like you can't tease this vision
and like not make it be areal thing. I want to see this,
Like if if this the entire crewof everyone who's involved in making done
is doing the the story this wellso far, Like I need to see

(01:06:26):
this like Matrix Revolutions, Revenge ofthe Sith, you know, Return of
the King type ship in Doune,Like I need this, just need to
end all Wars and by the end, like all all the houses are like,
now we're not gonna accept Paul's emperor, and then he just sends off
the Fremen to fuck everybody up,commit genocide type ship pretty much. And

(01:06:46):
even though he voiced it as paradise, like Paradise is you guys killing all
the houses for me? Essentially,Yeah, heavy, heavy stuff. Yeah,
man, That's that's it. That'sall I have on the movie.
Like, I have so many morethings that are like buzzing in my head
that I just don't know quite howto like explain them. You don't want

(01:07:08):
to just wait on it. No, I don't want to just word vom
it. But it's like the lasttwo things that I'll say about the movie
before I'm done is number one.The thing I love the most about like
this kind of sci fi is thatthis is like ten thousand years into the
future, but like it feels sohistoric at the same time. We have
all this you know, there's allthis crazy technology and like you know,

(01:07:30):
obviously in interplanetary, intergalactic space travel, all that kind of stuff, but
like the fact that you're on Aracus, which feels like kind of like a
primitive planet, is like why Ilove it so much, And I'll end
it with this. I think it'sgonna be a bold statement. But I've
already told you my statement, Joe. If Dune Messiah is the big banger

(01:07:54):
and it's just as good as DunePart two or better, I think it
either ties it at least competes withthe original Star Wars trilogy as like the
best sci fi trilogy of all time, at least of our generation. It's
good take. It's a good claimof our generation. It will be.
No. I mean, Doom Parttwo is already like one of the greatest

(01:08:15):
sequels ever made, even though itjust came out like days ago, and
this could be a recency bias,but now I genuinely think it's one of
the greatest sequels ever made. Andthat's that's why I keep questioning myself.
It's like, is this recency biasor like, am I like it's like
what I'm seeing in like what I'velike experienced. True. No, man,
we should stand on it. Fuckit, I'm gonna stand on it.
I mean I couldn't move in myseat. I was just like immersed

(01:08:39):
into this fucking movie the entire time. That was the fastest three hours of
my life ever. Sometimes I checkedmy phone during movies, just a quick
claim just to see what time itis, or like see if anybody called,
like or even check my Apple watchcheck what the time is during movies.
Not once during my first screening didI check. No, didn't eve

(01:09:00):
Like I thought about it. Iwas like, I should look at my
phone real quick, just check thetime, Like, nah, I can
wait. You didn't want to missa fucking single moment, man, No,
sir, all right, man,that was fun. That was a
good pod. It's always a pleasurechatting with you and folks. If you
made it this far, thank youfor listening. That's gonna do it for
episode one seven. Maybe when whenAaron and I are back, it's either

(01:09:25):
gonna be like maybe we finish upbad Batch or or we talked about Invincible
season two. I think those wouldbe some good ones to come back for.
Or I will buy a new TV, get an Apple TV subscription and
Binge foundation. I'm telling you,man, that's a tall order. Though

(01:09:45):
we'll see it's a hard show tobinge too. I'm just telling you that
likes there's a lot. No,I don't doubt it. Thanks for coming
on, folks, Thanks for listening. Until next time made that knife chip
and shatter. I chipping shit.No. The other day, there was

(01:10:15):
this guy just walking around the subwaystation and he's just like anybody he made
eye contact with, he would justlike he had like a sweater in his
hand. He would just like lookat him real quick and like cock back
and pretend like he's about to hitthem. But he never like swung his
arm forward. He was just likecocking it back and like threatening to like
hit somebody, you know, yeah, definitely tweaking. Yeah. And then

(01:10:38):
so he did it to this dudeand then I was like trying to walk
the other direction, and then likewe made it like like the quickest second
of eye contact, and he likecocked it back. I mean, I
was like, oh gosh, Ijust walked away and he didn't hit me.
But I was like, Jesus man, Bro, Bro's fucking fighting off
the demons. Bro. Yeah hemust yeah, he must have been seeing

(01:10:58):
him. Well, you swing atme, Bro, I'm gonna hit you
with a fucking, goddamn fucking people'selbow