Insomniac’s ‘Spider-Man 2’ Review, ‘The Marvels’ and the MCU, and Favorite Recent Watches

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What up, folks, and welcometo the Kyber Culture Episode one six with
myself Joe Deepak and joining me todaya very close friend of the pod is
none of the than Hayden Kutris ofthe Dive in the Movie cast, And
today we're chatting up a few things, you know, just some quick thoughts
on some shows and movies we've beenwatching. And uh, we're gonna we're

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gonna review Insomniac's latest banger, SpiderMan two. So stick around. Be
sure to check us on socials,Twitter, Instagram, letterbox, TikTok.
It's all the same at it's allat kiber Culture. But yeah, before
we get started, Hayden, man, how's it going. It's it's been
a long time since you've been onthe show. How's how is everything good?

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Man? It's yeah, it's beenway too long. I feel like
every time I get on the pod, I start having like this crisis about
how long it's been since I've lastbeen on the pod, and then just
another like half a year. Yeawas long, but it's always a number
of months. Yeah, It's likeit's been like I think we last potted
like last January, and it's likeNovember now, so it's nearly been a
year, which is I just can'teven get into that. It's genuinely disturbing.

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But no, I'm excited to talksome absolute peak, some incredible content
dropped by Insomniac and some other stufftoo. I'm really excited to be back.
No. I think the last timeyou're on it would make sense if
you're on in January because we talkedabout our most anticipated twenty twenty three releases,
right, that was it. Yeah, and most of it. I
think everything that was on my listwas like I've liked most of it.

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I think all of them I gaveat least like a four. I don't
think there's anything where I was likedisappointed. I remember I made the bold
decision to put Barbie on my listinstead of Oppenheimer, and I just spent
it. Wasn't it your number one? No, it was it was like
number two. Though I think itwas like, oh okay, top.
No. I remember I remember beingpumped that you had it on your list
because I think I forgot about it. But I think all of us because

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we had we had Sean and andChris on for that one, and everyone
was like yo, yeah ended upbeing great. Yeah, ended up being
great. But yeah, any otherif you have any like favorite watches maybe
that weren't in your most anticipated Whathave you been what have you been uh
consuming lately? I've watched less thisyear than I watched in most in the

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run of a year, but Istill have seen a lot of stuff.
Past Lives was one that I think, like anybody five yeah, five out
of five, just like five outof five one of my favorite movies maybe
ever, Like it just immediately enteredlike the pantheon of all time greats for
me. I love a movie whereor I love like like romance movies where
they just don't end up together.Yeah, yeah, I love some sad

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boy hours, you know. Yeah, hey song, I'm so sorry Bro,
really really feeling for him that finalshot. I was like, what
a bummer of a movie, andyet still absolutely just recently watched The Killer
David Venture's The Killer. I knowsome people have been mixed on it.
I fucking loved it. I justthought it was like pure vibes, Michael
Fassbender listening to the Smiths on hisway to kill people. Give me more

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of that, you know, thisis what we need in cinema. Is
he really that good of an assassinthough, I mean he's he's just kind
of blowing it the entire tay.He's actually pretty bad at it the opening
like half hour because he doesn't getto killing anybody for a long time.
Like the opening of the film,it's just him having that internal monologue and
he's just stalking whoever he's gonna likeshoot next, and then like next thing,

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you know, he's setting up forthe shot and he misses, like
that whole internal dialogue thing. Itjust leads you to believes like, oh,
this guy's fucking badass, Like hedoesn't fuck up ever, and then
he misses. Yeah, his internaldialogue constantly conflicts with like what he does
and how he does it. There'sthat one scene I don't want to spoiler
for anybody, but he's just likeI'm gonna have seven minutes to interrogate you

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after i'd oh yes, three nailsinto your chest and then the guy just
dies immediately. Yeah, I thinkyou're kind of bad at this man,
Maybe maybe you should quit. Ohman, it's it's like unintentionally funny.
And I told you about this too. It was like this feels like it
should exist in the world of Barryor vice versa, like Barry could exist
in the Killer universe. You know. Yeah, we did a pot on

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The Killers. I think it's gonnacome out in a couple of days,
and I literally I brought that up. I brought that comment up from you
and I was like, yeah,Joe said, it feels like it's in
Barry, and I honestly I agree, Yeah, no, it's it's good
stuff. But if that that wasalso one of mine. I watched The
Killer. I loved it. Ijust watched The Holdovers knew Alexander Payne movie
and I just I thought that wasamazing. It's immediately shot to like my

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top five of the year. Iwas like, this, really, it's
just Hollywood has come to making GoodwillHunting or Dead Poets Society since those movies.
It's like really moving stuff. AndI had a good time with that
one. Nice and uh just startedScott Pilgrim takes off as well. I
saw the first two episodes. Whatdo you what do you think so far?
The first episode, I feel likelike it kind of it didn't really

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draw me in the first episode upuntil the ending, because like everything that
you see in the beginning is likestuff that is very familiar in the movie.
You know, it's like all thehighlights of the movie kind of like
you know, the the party sceneand then you know, you have Ramona
and Scott standing up against that wallhaving that conversation or whatever. Like the
familiar bits were kind of like,yeah, this is still kind of fresh

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because I feel like I watched ScottPilgrim like not too long ago, but
then it got to the end andyou know, spoiler alert, what's his
name, Matthew Patel fucking defeats ScottPilgrim just kills and he's just gone.
So when I saw that, Iwas like, oh shit. And then
the next episode there's like a councilof like you know, a meeting of

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the seven Evilx's or whatever, andI was like, Okay, this is
gonna be like extremely different, andI'm in, yeah, I'm glad that
they're doing something a little bit differentrather than just making it straight up like
animation adaptation of the twenty ten Yeah. No, what I thought was gonna
happen is that like each each EvilX was just gonna get like a full
dedicated episode with like a fight atthe end. Pretty much like the movie,

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just a little more drawn out andlike adding some things here and there.
But it doesn't feel like it's gonnabe like maybe it might be.
I mean, I've only seen twoepisodes, but it doesn't really feel like
it's gonna be that at all.I have a friend who's seen five episodes
and he's like, it's nothing likethe movie at all. Like it's completely
doing its own thing with that story. That's great. I wouldn't know.
I don't read many comics, butit seems like it'll be adapting the source

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material like much better. So Idon't know. We'll see, but I'm
like, yeah, I know,I'm down. And I just saw Eli
Roth's new slasher movie Thanksgiving. Haveyou heard of it? Oh? This
movie, I've heard of it.I have not seen it, though I
hear it's very good though, ifyou like slashers, it's probably one of
the better ones in the last liketen years. It's it's a fun time,
and it's just completely ridiculous having thisguy running around in a Pilgrim costume,

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like chopping off people's heads and likecooking them up like like a Thanksgiving
meal. It's really stupid and likepretty awesome. It sounds pretty great.
It sounds just like over the topand absurd, and it doesn't hold back.
I'm guessing, how about yourself.Have you been watching anything good recently?
I just want to touch on thisreal quick, since we kind of
brought up The Killer, but I'vekind of just been on little mini Fincher

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marathon. So after The Killer,which I gave a four out of five,
what what what do you give theKiller? Give it a four and
a half for now? The onlything like I would I would bump it
up more. I just I don'tthink I was real big on the ending
because it kind of like, yeah, it kind of peaked in the middle
and then like it was kind oflike a soft ending, like almost like

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it doesn't really have an ending.The movie just kind of stuck. Yes,
So I'm like, yeah, Iknow, I'm yeah, I would
bump it up more because everything elseis like masterfully crafted, classic Fincher fashion,
I guess. But after watching TheKiller, rewatched Social Networks. Still
a fucking masterpiece. And then afterSocial network I'll watched this for the first
time just last night. Actually,Girl with the Dragon Tattoo. I'm assuming

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you've seen this one that's just fuckingcrazy, Like they're definitely there are moments
in it where I'm just like,this is so uncomfortable to watch, Like
I couldn't believe it. It's amiserable watch. Yeah, it's really brilliant.
Yeah, but no, what Likeone of my main thoughts like after
watching it was, uh, MattReeves must have loved this movie and based

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his Batman off of uh, orat least like drifter Bruce Wayne. He
must have based Drifter Bruce Wayne offLizabeth. Sometimes when I when I or
like, one of the things Ithought about when I stepped out of The
Batman, I was like, thiskind of feels like if if Fincher were
to make a Batman movie. Youknow, like literally there are like some
shots like even just from the waythat Elizabeth and drifter Bruce Wayne looks black

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eye makeup riding around on a motorcycle. They're literally shots in girl dragon tattoo,
like the like on the motorcycle,in the back of the helmet,
just riding around on the road.You know, there's a shot like that
in The Batman. I'm just like, Yo, this is what's going on
here. Yeah, Matt watched thatand he was like, that's it's given
big Bruce, Wayne energy. I'mgonna yeah go Dragon Tattoo very good.

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Yeah, even when you said theSocial Network, and my brain's immediately just
like I'm sorry, my prodest theCleaners along with my fuck you flip flops,
immediately like you pretentious douchebag. Mybrain can't not hear the title of
that movie without immediately going to thatscene. And just the fact that,
like the movies we just mentioned,like The Killer, Dragon Tattoo, I'm

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sure he has like a he musthave another Assassin movie in his filmography,
right, but Social Network just standsout from all those, and to me,
it's it's my personal favorite. It'smy favorite as well. I think
I don't think that's like a hottake or anything. I think a lot
of people would agree that it's probablyhis best killer being away from like what
he's like typically doing though, andI think that's maybe why it works so

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well. It's also gott done herein short and script, which helps a
lot. Right, Yeah, incrediblemovie, amazing, Killer or Dragon Tattoo
four and a half out of five, Social Network, of course of five
out of five Killer four out offive. He can't he can't go lower
than that. I don't think evenYeah, no, no lower than four.

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Of course, I've been watching Invincibleseason two. I'm obsessed. I
think, like this season like justpretty much everything from season one is just
amped up to like twenty animations.Like it's like slightly different, and it
took a little getting used to,but I think it's still great, you
know, like it's just as crazy. Yeah, they have a little bit
more money, so it just feelsa little bit more polished than the first

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season. But yeah, I meanthat show is just the fucking best.
Like every time I throw an episodeof that show on, I'm just sent
to another world and I feel likeI'm watching like the most fucked up like
Saturday Morning cartoon ever. Yeah.Yeah, I have so much fun with
that. Every single time I'm watchingit, I'm like, I always I
watch it with my roommates, Sowe gather around on Fridays and we watched

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that show, and I'm like,this is why we're here, this is
why we're alive, and stuff likethis. You know. It's really Yeah,
So yeah, Invincible. It's agreat as far as shows. Whenever
you get readings, it shows ifI'm really liking, like the opening few
episodes. I can't give it anyhigher than a four. I can only
bump it up if it concludes.Well, agreed, That's that was me
with Loki season two. Yeah,the whole season, I was like,

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it's a four, and then Iwatched the finale and I was like,
oh shit. I was like,this is like a five star episode,
so it might have yeah, youknow, retroactively adjust the rest of the
show's rating. Okay, just acouple more things. We already briefly mentioned
it. But Loki season two,that last final episode, I mean,
Loki has I think, if notthe best character arc in the MCU,

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it's definitely top tier, just tosee where he is from, like Thoor
one and of course, like everyone'sposted about it already. But that thing
he says to Odin, like thefor you, for all of us,
he gets to say it in thefinale again, like that's that's just good
stuff, you know, And itwas improvised. Yeah, he improvised it.
Insane talk about knowing that just yeah, exactly, Like you could just

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tell that he's committed and loves Lokias a character, and I feel like
no one else and the MCU reallyhas that, at least not yet.
I'll be honest, I think thatthat his arc by the time you get
to the ending of Loki season twois like on Pire with like Iron Man,
you know, like I thought itwas like easily like the most like
fully formed, like care put intolike a character's arc in the MCU.

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My relationship with the MCU is soall over the place. Recently, I've
noticed that it's like I'll watch somethingand I'll be like, we are so
back, the MCU is so back. And then I'll watch another thing and
be like it's all over. We'rewe're Yeah, it's so over, bro,
like we we can't ever get backto where we were. And then
I'll watch another thing and be like, it's fucking We're peak. We're at
the top of the We're fucking back, baby. No, it's okay.

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That that a man. So wheneverI see this online, because I think
the person that's like notorious for thisis uh, you know that creator Matt
Ramos their soups. Yeah, yeah, so people, he gets a lot
of hate. People really don't likehim, and I I just I don't
really watch him, so I couldn'tcare less about the stuff he says.

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But he's always he's always doing that. He's always posting content like oh,
we're back, it's over, We'reback, it's over. And uh.
Sometimes people online are like, oh, you guys were saying how the MCU
was so over and now you're nowyou're really changing your mind because of Loki
Hunt. I'm just like, dude, honestly, yes, Like sometimes a
project can be asked and then ifthey put out something good, then yeah,

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no, it was good. Youknow, like I don't see the
big like what's what the issue iswith like not liking something and then liking
something else that comes out later,Like you don't have to like everything,
you know. Yeah, I knowthere is people on the internet who will
be like, oh, funny thatyou like the MCU again now that Loki
was so good. I'm like,yeah, it's literally how this works,

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like it it's good. Yeah,Loki is a good show. Like,
what do you want from me?Right? I thought the Marvels was fun
too, man. I mean,you know you read the discourse online and
it's just the most insecure cry babiesof all time, just being like,
oh, what a flop. Nobodywants this and I'd be like, why
don't you say what's really on yourmind? You know, like, yeah,

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the movie isn't perfect, but it'slike not, I don't think the
claims that had been the worst MCUmovie are like at all valid. I
think that's actually a really stupid argumentthe movies like it's fine, I agree
with you and U Yeah, no, I wanted to bring this one up
for last because you know this thisone has the most controversy attached to it.
But the Marvels was fun and likeit's it's it was at its best

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when mon Vala, Bree Larson,and Tiana Paris are all on screen together.
Probably the most fun bits of itwere them in the spaceship having like
a like an intergalactic space or asleepover. I thought that was like that
one. I thought the whole likefight scene in a month, Why am
I forgetting Kamala Khan the whole fightscene in her house where they're like swapping

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back and forth, and it wasjust extremely dynamic and really fun as well.
Yeah, just absolute chaos the fightscenes in this. And honestly,
like there are some moments that Ilike genuinely laughed at, Like I don't
know how you felt about the flirtingscene, but everyone hates the flirkin scene.
I was like, dude, Ibet, I bet if like if
James Gunn, like, I feellike James Gunn should have had something like

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this up his sleeve, you know, like if it was if this was
in a Guardians movie, everyone wouldbe saying, like, this is the
funniest thing I've ever seen. Yeah, I like Kats too much to hate
that, you know, like,yeah, no, me too. It
was cute and it was stupid andit was fun. And the choice to
set the song memory from Kats themusical was was like just ridiculous. You

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know, I don't hate that sceneat all. I think my whole theater
was kind of like laughing at throughoutthat moment. Yeah, mine too.
It was absurd. No, Ithought that the scene when Carol falls down
onto the and you just get SamJackson's like, oh cool, it's Carol.
Like there's some really funny, likejust little line deliveries throughout that that
that really had me kind of crackingout. I think one of the one

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of my favorites was when it's Ithink it was like during their their their
bonding time on Carol's ship. Kamalawas like, oh, when we switched
places, like I was in Iwas on her ship and I saw a
bunch of like a bunch of starmaps and stuff. And then Carol was
like, okay, good, liketo where, like where are they going?

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And she was like, to thestars? Just maps to the stars
are like yeah, that that thatwas pretty funny that a mam Valon is
like maybe like the most charismatic actressI've seen in like a while. Like
people have been talking about what thewhat is the future of the MCU,
and I think it's like more actorsor actresses like her, you know,
like people who kind of just havethis charm to them that aren't like big,

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well known actors, And that's kindof how the MCU got Like you,
They're sure you have you know,Skeleton handsOn and everything and Robert Downey
Junr. But there's also a lotof actors throughout the early half of the
MCU that just weren't like mega superstars. And I think that's like why it
was so easy to get like attachedto these characters, because you were kind
of these faces weren't like synonymous forthe other roles. Right. And I

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feel like that's why Kamal Khan issuch a fun character is because she's a
Mamvalan is just so charismatic and justreally likable and really fun to watch and
just such a breath of fresh air. And I just I think that they
need to have more you know,kind of unknowns being able to step up
into the new characters. And shecares. I feel like she cares about
the material too, Like I thinkshe knows Kamala Khan probably more than Ken

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Kevin fight he does you know.Oh yeah, there's videos of her like
arguing with like paparazzi about like whatearth the MCU is and stuff like that.
It's just like she definitely has alot of passion for this stuff.
Yeah, The Marvel's not a perfectmovie, but it's a good time.
The Villain is an all time worstMarvel, Like I feel like that has
to be said because it does dragthe movie down, like substantially. I'm

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having all these fun moments with thecharacters, and then every time we cut
to what's your name? Yeah seethen yeah a week and a half ago,
and it took me like a coupleof seconds to get that there but
all the stuff with her I wasjust completely out on. I was like,
this is one of the most boring, lifeless villains I've seen in the

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MCU maybe ever. But when therest of the movie is so you know,
snappy and fun ridiculous, I thinkit kind of mostly makes up for
it. Any thoughts on the postcardscene, I don't like what Marvel's doing
with this constant, like, whoa, the Fox timeline exists. I'm like,
yeah, I already know that,Like, when are we gonna do
the X Men? How about youstart playing with us? Because at this

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point it's getting a little old.You know, they get Patrick Stewart in
Multiverse of Madness and they're like,it's Professor X, but not really the
same thing here. It's like it'sBeast, but not the one that you're
gonna have any connection to. Sodoesn't matter to me. That being said,
it is still cool to see thegiant X logo in the back and
see the character, even if heis rendered in horrible CGI. I honestly,

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I don't think you looked terrible.You didn't you didn't like it.
I just think it looks like comparativelyto that character designed from like the actual
Fox movies itself. It just looks, oh yeah, that was like practically
done back in the day. Ithink I think there's just a disconnect with
what I know that version of thecharacter to look like versus what he looked
like when he when he showed upon screen. I don't think it's actually

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as awful as as I may havejust led on to think. But I
don't. I don't think it's great. I think if they're gonna have him
popping up in future movies, theyshould sink a little bit more time or
money into them, for sure.You know, it's it's crazy because I
think they're they're just trying to makethem look like like his X Men ninety
seven counterpart, because he has thewhite coat, like his hair is done

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up like the like the animated character. Then he also had Patrick Stewart.
You have them in the Yellow Chair, you have Hugh Jackman in the classic
Wolverine suit, and Deadpool three.I don't know if you've heard this term
before, but something that like peoplethat don't really like the mcuh they describe
moments like this as like jingling keys, Like you know how you jingle keys

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in front of a baby it's like, oh, it's the coolest thing ever.
Forget about So you just watched lookat what you're gonna get in two
years. Yeah, I like,you know what it worked on me?
Like, I'm absolutely like once,like I might have been saying that,
oh, Marvel's fucking over after watchingthe Marvels, but I'm gonna be saying
the mc is fucking back when Deadpoolthree comes out, right, Yeah,

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no, man, it is whatit is. I'm glad they're taking a
step back and they're recalibrating, youknow, they're they're redoing some of the
ideas they have for what their TVshow should look like. And the only
movie we're getting from the MCU nextyear is Deadpool three, which I think
is yeah, again, another smartdecision. I want to look then the
following year we're getting like three,I think, yeah, yeah, then
we're straight back to it. Ialways want to love this stuff, something

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that I do care about, andI hate when it's bad. So I'm
hoping that we get a little bitof distance from it and we get some
fresh air and then we can canget back to enjoying it. But man,
tough, tough for the Marvels atthe box office, then the coping
that like cause it was bad,you know, like it already had a
bad opening weekend, and that's tough. I'd say the hate isn't warranted,

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but a lot of people are liketrying to like make stuff up or like
come like grasping at straws for likewhatever reason they can about why it underperformed.
Ultimately, I think it's like,dude, I think everyone's just kind
of burnt out, not on justthe MCU, but like people are burnt
out on just like random superhero movies. Blue Beetle underperformed, Black Adam underperformed,

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like The Flash underperformed. Yeah,you know, like everyone's just a
little tired of it, and yeah, so you can give them like a
real reason to get seated in thattheater. People are just showing up for
it because like I, like Ijust said, everybody just needs to take
a breath of fresh air from thisstuff. I think we all just need
a little bit of distance. AndI think twenty twenty four is gonna be
good because they're good for the distance, not good for superhero movies, because

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all we have coming out in twentytwenty four is like craving the Hunter and
Madam Web and Deadpool three. It'slike it's a bleak yer for us aside
from Deadpool three. So I thinkwe're missing one. I feel like there's
one more that's just like it's notlooking good, but I wish I could
remember. I feel like it's another. Oh it's it's Venom three. Oh

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fuck, damn's fucking over for Cerealmovies. Next, it's so we're so
fucking over, bro, catch mein twenty twenty four, being like,
we're so back, but for nowit's so over, dude. The masculine
urge to say we're back twenty minutesafter saying it's over me on the pod

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for the last three years, likeevery time on the plot, I'm like,
we're so bad. Baby. Itwas even worse when COVID was happening
and all the theaters were closed andthen I went and I saw one movie
with a mask on, like separatedlike eight rows from people, and I
was like, we're so back.Cinema is so bad, dude. I
went and saw Tenant during COVID likethat. I drove like to a theater

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that was probably like forty five fiftyminutes away from me, and there was
no one else there. I hada mask on anyways, but I know,
I was like, I was like, fuck, we're We're so fucking
back, like I'm back at themovies watching a new Christopher Nolan movie and
yeah no that was that was good. Yeah. Yeah. Anyways, the

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MCU is crazy, man, themc is crazy. It's fans are nuts.
It's in a weird state right now. Today I posted a TikTok and
pretty much it was just me likereminiscing on like my theater experience seeing Endgame.
It was like you know that yousaw the tiko Vince McMahon one,
Yeah, yeah, where he's likecrying and he's like, you know,

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yeah, anyway, so it's thatand it was just like POV. It's
twenty thirty three and someone asks youhow Opening Night a Venders Endgame was,
and this guy commented and he waslike, just as I hypothesized, he's
like a generation of young men blamingthe MCU for their own shortcomings or some
bullshit like that. And I waslike, man, I was just talking
about how fun Endgame was, Likeit's not that deep, Like I still

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like that stuff that the mc wasputting out, you know. No,
the fans are insane, like sometimeslike they just want to go to people.
Yeah, they just want to goto war like some like this is
the one thing that I hate aboutposting about MCU stuff to my page.
I posted about uh, we'll talkabout this in a second, but I
posted about the Patro Pascal News.Everyone in my comments, and it's only

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when I post MCU stuff like Inever get this type of these type of
like comments on like post about Duneor I'm posting about Star Wars. I
like, I always get the negativeor I always get someone's opinion when I
post something about the MCU, Likeit's the only ip where people need to
have their opinion shared. Yeah,it's like they have to give their take

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on it. Yeah, well actuallyhere's why you're wrong. And I'm like,
yeah, sir, this was myopinion. Yeah it's not you know,
I'm not talking facts here. SometimesI just ignore it. But other
times, just like sometimes it's likemy friends and I'll joke with my friends
of the comments, you know,like yeah, like one of my homies
just like nah, I was like, oh well I like it, So
like what now, bro, getfucked here. Let's quickly pivot into some

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news and then talk Spider Man.Any any quick thoughts on Patro Pascal has
read Richards. I mean not evensure if it's completely confirmed yet, but
I guess he's close to signing.He's not who I would have like thought
for the role, but I neverfancasted him. Like if I was thinking
fancasts, he would never have crossedmy mind. He's certainly not the person
I was like, Yeah, misterfantastic right there. He doesn't really like

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if they're doing something different with thecharacter, I think I think he can.
He can nail it. But yeah, like he was never somebody I
kind of thought would would step intothose shoes. He is unstoppable right now,
Like every single studio and every pieceof IP is like, please Pedro,
we need you. It helps hisschedule for Last of Us Too,
Miles spoilers for Last of Us Toois not going to be as busy as

(26:18):
it was for season one, youknow, without without getting into the context
of that there, but supposedly they'regoing to try to expand the story though,
so I don't know if if he'llbe out by like episode three or
four, but we'll see. Butyeah, Pedro is like one of those
actors where like I'm just excited tosee him in anything, you know,
Like you put Pedro Pascal in amovie or in a show, and I'm

(26:38):
immediately like more excited for it thani would have been if he wasn't casting
it. So I'm excited to seehim in the MCU, to see him
in a role that will be abig part of the story going forward.
I hope this doesn't like lock himinto the MCU, you know, I
still want to see him doing otherstuff and kind of continuing to be like
this unstoppable star who just kind ofshows up and and everything. And it

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also leads me to think, likewho else will end up in the Fantastic
Four, Like what other actors mightthey have their eyes on. I remember
for a while they were talking aboutPaul meskal As as Johnny Storm, and
I was like, make that happen, because that is a yeah pick for
that character. But yeah, PedroPascal is definitely someone like like you and
I have been saying, not someoneI would have thought to see in that

(27:22):
role, But I'm excited at theidea of him stepping into that character.
No, I'm I'm I'm like superdown for it definitely more than Krasinski.
I'd say, well, I thinkwith Krazinsky is like the idea, the
idea, like it felt like itwas something that we all wanted, but
then you got it and it waslike, yeah, I don't really want

(27:42):
it anymore. You know. It'slike the toy story, like I don't
want to play with you anymore,with you anymore. Yeah, Pedro Pascal
obviously much different take on the character, but I think he is more than
capable of doing it. And Isaw someone tweet today like how Pedro Pascal
is usually good at portraying a characterthat has like gone through like something really

(28:04):
traumatic. And I'm curious which directionthey're going with Reid because obviously they're gonna
want to go with an older onesupposedly like he and Sue are gonna have
kids already, So I guess itjust depends, like who who the other
three cast members are, And Ithink just the chemistry is key. The
chemistry between the four is is gonnabe the most important bit supposedly, like

(28:27):
the big rumor is that it's VanessaHerby, that's gonna be Sue Storm.
Yeah, I can see that.Yeah, I think I really want like
Jody Comer has always been my pick, and then uh, I I can
never say his name, but cousinfrom the Bear is gonna be the thing

(28:47):
that's the big rumor, the ideaof that. I can't remember his name
right now either, but yeah,it's Eben, Eben something e b O
N. And then I can't saythe rest of his name, but I
know that that'd be cool. Imean, they're all like very good actors,
so I'd be in for that,you know. Like again going back
to what I was saying, ifthey cast it unknowns in the roles,
I think I'd also be okay withit, you know. But yeah,

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and like not to say that yourcousin from the Bear is like an unknown
actor, but he is not quitelike the star the like A plus stars
of like the MCU. So Ithink like actors like that are are a
good choice for the franchise at thispoint. And I think that's what they
that was like one of the mainintentions for casting Pagro is that they wanted
some star power for it, LikePedro is that guy? I mean,

(29:36):
I like s for sure, andI don't think a ton of people know
who Vanessa Kirby is I don't knowif it's like a household name. Same
with She's well known amongst people wholike like movies a lot, but like,
yeah, she's not like an actressthat's gonna like get anyone showing up
for for the New Fantasy. Andsame thing with Paul mescal because I think

(29:57):
he just recently kind of broke withlike the within the past few years.
You know, yeah, he wasin normal People in Aftersun and then everybody
on Twitter fill in love with themand that was kind of yeah, exactly.
See man, we'll see about uhsee about Picture Pascal and Fantastic four
and X Men. I guess it'sso funny because like usually the people that

(30:18):
really love the MCU, like oneof their main arguing points of why the
MCU is not over is that likea lot of them will say, like,
oh, everyone says that MCU isso over, but they haven't played
their cards like X Men are Fantasticfour yet, And I'm just like,
all right, well, what ifthey mess those up to like like what
now, bro, if they messedthose up, it's it's not gonna be.

(30:41):
I think it's actually over. It'sactually over the whole pod. But
if they fumble those those two ips, like, we're so fucked. And
I think that they know that atthis point they've got Deadpool and that'll get
people shown up for movies, butthat has nothing to do with the MCU.
I think that movie is gonna belike them going through the Fox Universe,
you know, like it's it's EMBCUby only them. It's supposed to

(31:02):
it's supposed to be yeah, yeah, but it's supposed to be like the
This is what people are saying about, is that, like it's supposed to
be a big stepping stone to AvengerSecret Wars. I think, uh,
Deadpool three, the Marvels, likegiven that post credit scene, and uh
and Loki season two the finale,those are like the actual like stepping stones
two Secret Wars. I don't know, man, we'll see. They've got

(31:26):
to nail it though, And Ithink that that's why they've taken their time
with them, because they're well awarethat they need to get it right.
Yeah, yeah, all right,and that'll do it for that'll do for
news and uh, pretty much ourrecent watches. Forty five minutes into the
pod, we're finally gonna start talkingabout Spider man. But before we do

(31:47):
that, let's take a quick breakfor some ads. All right, and
we're back. I actually wanted tothrow one more question at you because we've
been talking about it so much inthis opening forty five minutes, Like what's
your opinion on Like, is theMCU actually like over? Like what do
you think? I have my ownopinion on this? But do you think
it's over? I don't think it'sover. I do think it's it's never

(32:09):
gonna be twenty nineteen MCU. Everagain, you know, I don't think
we're ever getting back to like endgameMCU. I think that there's like definitely
like a feasible way forward where thesemovies can still make money and they can
still be a part of like abig pop culture conversation. But no,
I don't think they're ever going tobe like the highs that they were at

(32:30):
ever again, because it was justa different time. People cared about this
stuff way more, and now peoplejust don't. Even with the stuff that
people get really excited about, itdoesn't do as good as it was a
few years ago. Guardians three isa good example of that. It's an
incredible film and it made a goodamount of money. I think it made
the eight hundred million, which isa lot, but it still didn't hit

(32:50):
what those first two Guardians movies did, and Captain Marvel made like over a
billion. In the Marbles has madelike one hundred and preaty million, right,
I don't think it's over, butI think people just don't really care
about it the same way that theyused to. So I think that they
just kind of need to restrategize andjust kind of accept like, hey,
six hundred million dollars at the buckUpice is still a lot of money,

(33:13):
you know, Like that's not bad, it's just not what it used to
be. So I don't think it'sover. I think they just need to
kind of lower their expectations going forward. No, I definitely don't think it's
it's over either, like especially ifyou're just looking at it from like a
financial sense, which doesn't really makesense to say, because the Marvel's just
flopped hard. Like there are alsolike a bunch of other like factors coming

(33:35):
into plays at you know, twentynineteen Endgame era, Disney Plus hadn't existed
yet, COVID kinda like I don'tthink people are like coming back to the
theaters as often as they were preCOVID, So you factor that in with
what stuff showing up on streaming likemonths later. It's like, Okay,
do I want to like, isit is it worth my time to buy

(33:58):
a ticket and see this movie inthe theater when I can watch it like
a couple months later, Like,you know, you and I will go
to the theaters to see this stuffbecause we like the theater going experience.
But I don't think people really generalaudience like doesn't go to the movies if
ever, you know, for anything. Really Yeah, people I'll be talking
to in my personal life where likeI haven't been in the movies in a

(34:19):
year and a half. People justdon't, I think as much as we
do. Yeah. And the lastthe last movie that I saw, like
everyone turn out for was Top GunMaverick, you know, And I think
I know people that haven't been tothe movies since that movie, you know.
Yeah, and that was just likewhat a year ago. Man,
I know, people are just turningout for movies like that. It's worth

(34:42):
watching on the big screen. Yeah, I mean, I'm like a nut
job for this, Like I wentand I saw The Killer in theaters despite
the fact that it was releasing onNetflix a day later. Like I like
made the drive and everything, likea thirty minute drive, spent the gas,
got snacks just because I wanted tosee a Fincher movie on the screen,
despite the fact that it was literallycoming out in like twenty four hours

(35:04):
on a streaming service. So like, yeah, I care about this stuff.
Not a lot of people would dothat, you know. Yeah,
yeah, I think in regards tothe MCUs, like is it over question,
COVID just kind of like quickened theirdownfall, and then Disney Plus kind
of compounded, like it was multiplethings that kind of just started chipping away
at this perfectly built house that theyhad made over over a decade and a

(35:27):
half. So there was fatigue fromthe amount of shit that they were pumping
out on a Disney Plus. Andthen on top of that, COVID kind
of destroyed the communal movie theater goingexperience, which is what made Marvel fun.
Like even the bad movies were worthseeing because you were seeing them in
a packed crowd with people waiting forthat post credit scene and waiting for the
cheering of the crowd. You know. So once you take the communal experience

(35:52):
away from Marvel and then you haveall these mediocre shows being pumped out like
monthly. Just it just kind ofquickly wore away at what people liked about
it. Yeah, well said,But yeah, like I'm pretty much right
there with you, like as faras like uh, because I also want
to say, like as a culturalmoment, it's over, But at the

(36:13):
same time, like even if something'sbad, it's still like the center of
a conversation, you know, Likewe were just talking about the Marvels like
for like twenty minutes, you knowwhat I mean. So I think the
overall like praise, like it's alljust mixed now, you know, but
it's still like kind of being talkedabout. But you know, some some
big ips are like lucky to getlike ten years like they did with with

(36:36):
the first three phases of the MCU. You know, I know, poor
poor Marvel. What are they gonnado with the like approximately twenty billion dollars
they made off the FCS Right,Yes, I don't know, man,
I wouldn't say it's over. Iwould agree, but I think you give
them time. We got to letthem cook and then if yeah, the
meal turns out to be garbage,then we can come to more conclusions.

(36:58):
But I'm still hopeful. Like somepeople might be listening to this pot as
like, oh, well, youjust hate everything post endgame. Like,
no, I've liked a good handfulof stuff post end game. I actually
way home run ye low key rocked. You know, like there there are
a lot of wins there. Yeah, I know if there's if there's anything
that I can't stand though, Andthis is why the MCU fantom kind of
sucks now, is because the peoplethat just are obsessed with anything and everything,

(37:22):
even the slop. But I alsohate the people that like post it
like they're always like, oh,everything post endgame sucks. I just like
being somewhere in the middle. Thereis a middle ground. We can we
can stay in the middle ground.Yeah, I don't think it all sucks.
I don't think it's all good,and I think that's reasonable. But
anyways, yea, the average experiencelike liking something, you know, like

(37:43):
it's not all gonna be good,but you overall you're gonna stick with it
because you enjoy it. I yeah, I could never be an MCU fan
who's just like it's all great.Everything they've ever made is perfect. I'm
just like that could could not beme. Yeah, that's that's that's a
little much. That's a little much, guys, Like even some of our
favorite filmmakers, you know, likeyou watch all their stuff, and not
all of it's perfect, but it'sit's just the way it goes. Whenever

(38:07):
I see a bad movie, thething I'll often go to is like they
tried something. Did I like it? Yeah? But they tried something.
Yeah, not a movie I caremuch for, but I respect that they
did something different. They really wentfor it there. But okay, the
MCS back the NC is over allright. That we got to move on.
Let's let's talk about Let's talk aboutsome video games. Bro PlayStation five.

(38:30):
How's your experience been with the PlayStationfive so far. I've enjoyed it,
man. I got one, Ithink two years ago now, and
since I've got it, like there'syou know, I mainly got it because
I needed a new console. Likemy PlayStation four was that death's door.
Every time I booted it up,it sounded like it was a plane leaving
the runway. I was like,I simply need to get a PS five,

(38:52):
not because of the next gen games, but because this thing is going
to blow up and let my houseon fire any day now. It was
a necessity, needed it. Ithad to happen, at least that's what
I told myself. So spent spentthe money on it, got it,
And you know, there was likea whole year period there where there was
just like nothing of any value comingout on it. Since the last year,

(39:15):
there's been some really cool stuff.Gotta War Ragnarok I thought was incredible
and one of the first times whereI was like, I fucking love having
a PS five. The Last ofUs Part one, like the remake of
the game ground Up remake, Ithought that was really cool, Like I
love the Last of Us. Sojust playing it with like the the graphical
enhancement enhancement and the gameplay being likea lot more similar to the second game,

(39:36):
I thought was really great and itdid show what like the console was
capable of. I'll be honest,this was like the first time where I
was like, this is what thePS five is capable of with Spider Man.
Like while I was playing that,especially like the first like fifteen minutes,
I think my jaw was just onthe floor because I was like,
holy shit, Like I had noidea the console that's been sitting in my

(39:58):
living room for two years is evencapable of doing this. So yeah,
no, I've really enjoyed having thePS five. Could there have been more
to come out in the last twoyears that like wowed me? Definitely?
But I think we're here now.I think everything that's going to be coming
out in the future is going tobe like next gen. Shit. How
did you first get wind of,like of the first Spider Man game?
Were you? Was it something thatit was already on your radar or yeah,

(40:21):
it was already on my radar.I was really excited about it,
me and my friends. I hadjust graduated high school I think when,
and so we were like had alot of free time, you know,
I'm waiting on it, Like allthe trailers, we were keeping up with
it, and I think like wegathered around and just the hype was building.
We were like watching the movies likeleading up to like the game nice

(40:43):
and when it came out, wegot it like opening day and we all
kind of just I think I wasthe only one who bought it like initially,
and I kind of like let myfriends borrow the disc of it and
everything, but got it on dayone we all gathered around played it.
It was just amazing, Like itwas easily like one of the coolest experiences
I've had playing video games. Andas far back as I can recall,
to be honest with you, yeah, I had a blast with it.

(41:05):
It was on my radar for awhile. How about you? Did you
kind of find out about the hypeafter the game came out? I think
it what I think it came outin like twenty eighteen, and I wasn't
big on video games, like uhlike before before the PS five, I
had a PS four, and thenbefore that, I think I wasn't playing

(41:27):
any any video games at all really, like maybe I had, like I
was doing some some like some PCgaming here and there, like I bought
I think Red Dead Redemption two cameout. Then I bought a PS four
and Red Dead and I played that, and then I waited it, I
think until twenty twenty. I thinkI played it during during lockdown. Man,
what an experience and playing that gamewas kept. It was pretty weird

(41:52):
because the story itself, like inthe back half, like when you when
doc Ok is revealed to be thebad guy, like he spreads a disease
through New York City and everyone hasto quarantine and everyone's like wearing masks and
stuff, and I'm like, yo, why am I playing this like now?
During the COVID Like, it wasthe most eerie experience I've ever had

(42:14):
with the video game, but itended up being awesome. Now I have
a I have a question for you. Do you prefer the original face model
or the new face model? ForPeter oh Man, do you care the
original? Yeah? Original, original, original one. While playing this second
one, I didn't care as much, but I'll be honest. When I

(42:35):
played Miles Morales and I got likethe new face model, I was like,
who the fuck is this, dude? It's a weird face model,
like, especially given like the factthat he's supposed to be, like he's
like twenty six or twenty seven,Miles looks more than him at times,
you know. So I think thatthe new face model it takes him getting
used to. And I know it'skind of like a real shit disturber opinion
to be like, oh, thenew face model like drags down the game.

(42:58):
So I'm not gonna go that farrags down the game or anything,
but yeah, it takes some gettingused to. It's distracting, especially when
you play the whole game through withthe main or like original face model retroactively.
You have to just mentally adjust tothe fact that the character looks like
a completely different human. When Iplayed the original like, I got like
used to like this voice coming outof like his that that face like the

(43:22):
sound of Uri, loan th Allshouts to him. Incredible voice acting is
probably one of the best things aboutInsomniac Spider Man. The voice mashes the
original face model just more, youknow, like it Sometimes it just doesn't
work for me, But I'm notlike, I'm not like staying on it
forever, like it doesn't like itbecause at the end of the day he

(43:43):
has a mask on like half thetime, you know, like or more
than half. Se I know thatI definitely prefer the other one. Though
it's not even just the face model. It's like the haircut too, you
know. It's like these things toadd up. I'm like, the character
just doesn't look like like like yousaid, like Yuri's voice just matches the
original design way more. And Ijust thought the original design like accurately conveys

(44:05):
that it's the twenty seven year oldSpider Man, and I feel like the
he could be anywhere from eighteen totwenty five, and I just yeah,
no idea. I definitely think theoriginal one worked a lot more, but
once you adjust to it, andlike you said that, he has a
mask on all the time, soit doesn't drag shit down that much,
but it takes them getting used toNo, honestly, because I replayed I

(44:25):
downloaded Spider Man Remastered when they whenthey released that. I think they they
did that when the when the PSfive came out and the scene where is
towards the end of the game wherespoiler alert on May dies, the scene
hits so much harder with the originalface model than the new one does.

(44:45):
I don't know what it is.I haven't played like the I haven't replayed
the first game with the new facemodel, so I can't speak to Yeah,
that would be but yeah, thatscene hits hard. It's yeah,
no, it just wasn't the same. Yeah, you should check it out,
maybe watch on YouTube on YouTube.Yeah, it's just like that doesn't
convey like the grief properly. Youmean with the new face face model?

(45:07):
Yeah no, I yeah, Yeah, that's that's what I'm getting that for
sure. It just looks odd likealmost like almost emotionless a little bit,
and that's hard to do with videogames and ship you know. But like
the way they animated it with theoriginal face model, just it just looked
a little better. I think,what's what's the reason they changed it?
Had something to do with like makingthe mo cap match or something like that.

(45:30):
To be honest with you, I'mnot exactly sure why they changed it.
Not sure, Okay, Yeah,I remember I remember reading something about
how it was like to make theface more in line with like the motion
capture actor, and I'm like,that's a bizarre reason to change it,
you know, Like it looks itlooks fine in the like the original game,
Like it looks good. So yeah, I wonder why they thought they

(45:51):
need to do that. But okay, any thoughts on the Miles Moraless game.
I remember when it came out.It was like I played it around
Christmas time, and it was oneof those games that I started and I
was really enjoying and then just kindof like fell off for like a couple
months and just kind of fun outto beat it. It's really short,
right, It's only like eight hours. Yeah, it's real short. That

(46:13):
was like one of the main thingsthat I hated about it. When you
get the Miles Morales game, it'sstill the price of a full game,
but it's only like it's just realshort story, real short gameplay snow to
the same map from Yeah, swingingaround in New York and snow though it
was pretty cool. Yeah, yeah, especially like when you put it on
like during this time of the year. Like, honestly, I'm like,

(46:35):
I have Spider Man two and Iobviously love like the traversals of that game
so much, but I am temptedto like redownload Miles Morales just so I
can get some of those Christmas vibesjust swinging around New York. And that's
the thing about Spider Man two,is that, like there's no reason to
revisit the first game. You know, it's just a game, but better
and every in every way. Yeah, but you do bring up a good
point, though, Is that,like that that gives reason to revisit the

(47:00):
Miles Morales game just if you wantto swing around in snowing New York because
you don't get snowy New York,or at least from I remember, you
don't get Snowy New York and SpiderMan two. I remember putting on Spotify
and like playing like Christmas and Hollisand just swinging around on Miles Moralis and
just having the time of my life. I did really enjoy the Miles Morrales
game, and I think that itwas effective prior to Spider Man two coming

(47:22):
out, because it makes you likethat iteration of the character a lot more
before you have to spend so muchtime with him in the second game.
So I thought that was effective.You also get a lot of stuff with
like the Prowler that is like reallycool, especially because he's not in the
first game and he's barely in thesecond game, so all the stuff with
him is largely in that And Ithought that was all really fun, like

(47:42):
maybe a little forgettable, but overall, like I had a really good time
with it, and I still thinkit's like pretty great. If there's anything
like when we just had the twogames, like playing as Miles Morales is
way more fun compared to Peter inthe first game, just because like doing
stuff with the Venom punch and theand the Venom pound or whatever, that
stuff is just so yeah, he'sso overpowered. Like whenever I'm playing as

(48:05):
Peter, I'm like fighting for mylife and I'm like trying to stay and
I'm like playing his Miles and Ijust like punch once and I kill every
single person in the room. He'syeah, he's He's much stronger and just
like a little bit more satisfying toplay as because of his abilities. Especially
with this the second game really leansinto like Peter's gadgets for the first half,
and honestly, I don't care muchfor this. Let me punch that

(48:28):
guy so hard into the air thathe like turns the dust, you know.
Like, Yeah, That's why Ithink Miles is so fun. His
gameplay is is pretty crazy. I'mcurious, like, do you think this
is the best superhero game, thesecond Spider Man game here, or would
you say, like maybe the Arkhamgames trail ahead a little bit for you,
or where does this rank in yourpantheon of super superhero games you've played

(48:51):
well, Given the fact that Idon't have a lot of video or superhero
video game experience under my belt,I would say yes, But I all
the Arkham games I've I've never playedthem, but I hear like from what
people I've read and like seen online. Is that like the Arkham Games.
Like, if you want to lookat it this way, the Arkham Games

(49:13):
walked so that the Spider Man gamescan run, Because aren't this swinging mechanics
just like like slightly similar. Yeah, because Batman's got like the cape so
he can kind of like glide aroundin somewhat like a little bit more like
the web wings, you know,like the truth for the Arkham Games.
I think the Arkham games are reallygreat, but I agree with the statement
that they walk the Spider Man twocould run. I would say this is

(49:36):
probably the best superhero game I've everplayed. Me, I know, I'll
just have to say yes, justbecause it's really the like, uh,
the only one that I really have, the two Spider Man games. I
probably played a couple like back inthe day, but I just don't remember.
A lot of superhero games are kindof like notoriously bad. You know,
like when Avengers came out, itwas like, what is this ship
like a yeah singing a miss right, So yeah, when you like,

(50:00):
you know, I hear it's likethis, it's it's effective. I hear.
The Guardians game is pretty good.The Guardians of the Galaxy game.
It is. Yeah, it's reallyfun available I think for free if you
have like the PlayStation Extra membership,so you might be able to play it
for free. Oh shit, itgets a little bit repetitive due to like
it's it's long, and the gameplaystyle is just a lot of like shoot
and shit really fun and like likeif you like those characters too, like

(50:22):
really cool depictions of those characters thatare kind of like different than the MCU
versions of them. I had ablast with it. Adam Warlock is in
it, and it's he's hilarious.Nice. Yeah, it's good. So
let's just get into Spider Man.Two big differences in gameplay since you brought
up the gadgets. Like one littlerandom thought I had, do you do
you miss the gadget wheel from thefirst two games? Yeah? I think

(50:46):
I wasn't big on the four gadgets, Like you only get four gadgets in
this, Like you get the thingthat shoots everyone up, You get like
a little ricochet web. The onethat I like using the most is like
you shoot a gadget and then itlike webs everyone to like one area.
Yeah, that's the only one thatI really care about but like I missed
the web Bomb, I miss theImpact Web. I found myself constantly just

(51:12):
like, man, I really wishthe Impact Web was still here. That
was like, yeah, so badass, and it's just completely gone from this
game. Like you can swap outthe upshot gadget. I really don't care
about that one. But like allthe all the things that were in the
gadget wheel were like at the veryleast like web based gadgets, like the
Impact Web in the Web Bomb.It's like these other things are just like

(51:36):
they felt more the the ones inthe original games felt more Spider Man to
me, agreed, Like I waslistening to people talk about this game,
and I will say, like acritique that I would understand is like the
Spider Man in this particular one inSpider Man two is like a lot more
like Iron Man, you know.It's it's it's a little bit more on
that Spider Boy territory of like hisgadgets are so high tech, where I'm

(51:59):
like, I wish we would dialit back a little bit because it's just
like my preferred Spider Man is alittle bit more like the Spider Man gameplay
in the first game. I don'treally love when when Peter's doing all the
mechanical robotic shit, it's just notas effective for me. I found myself
missing the web wheel like so soso badly throughout the second game. But

(52:22):
it's not like it like ruined orhindered my experience with the game at all.
Like I think that the abilities thatthey replaced them with are still like
effective enough, but you'll lose alittle bit of the charm of like how
many options you had at your disposalin that first game. Yeah, no,
exactly, Like there are more options, more things to choose from.
Like if I'm playing at a highdifficulty, I need all those gadgets,

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you know, I need all thosebecause you could hold like like five or
six web bombs and like five orsix impact webs. Maybe they're going for
like a more like grounded type thing, or like more difficult gameplay or something
with like the like less gadgets.I don't know the amount of times so
that I would use all my gadgetsand all my tools and then just kind

(53:06):
of like run around waiting for themto recharge so I could like actually clear
the room was like a little bittoo often for my liking you know,
like it was frequently. I wasjust like, well, now I just
got to like punch dudes so thatI can like get my combos and my
abilities back here. So I foundthat to be like a little bit of
a detractor, And I would agree, like that first game, you just
you have so much at your disposalthat you kind of always have a different

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option with how you're going to goabout attacking people. And with this one,
it's like you got four of them, and if you use all four
in like thirty seconds, you're justgonna be waiting like five minutes to get
that back. It's a little tricky. I guess it makes them a little
more challenging in that way though,right, Yeah, which is always cool.
But the metal arms, you're notbig, like they they really start
to incorporate the metal arms, You'renot. You weren't big on those.

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I didn't hate them, but no, it's I definitely feel like I liked
the Peter gameplay without those a littlebit more sure. How about you did?
Did you enjoy having no? Definitely, Like especially the perry that they
added in this took a little gettingused to, or like the timing of
it like was a little tricky tonail, but I definitely liked, you

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know, like nailing that Perry andthen Peter getting to use the arms.
With the Perry, it's like kindof more integrated into his combat instead of
like just like a like a oneoff special type thing which you get.
So I think that that's pretty that'spretty fun. I like that they like
in Miles Morales, you could dothose like when you're swaying through New York,
you could do like his little electricboost while you're in the air so

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that he can like get higher orsomething. And then they were like,
wait, we need to give Peterthat ability as well, so we'll just
do it through his mechanical arms.So so no, yeah, I'm a
fan of the mechanical arms because yeah, it's they're fun sometimes. I definitely
like I like some of them.I feel like it's that one particular like
laser attack that he uses, youknow, where I was like that,

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oh, yeah, comic kind ofcomes from. Yeah, it wasn't big
on that one, but like Ididn't mind having them, and hitting those
Perrys is extremely satisfying, Like you'reright with about it takes them getting used
to and I'm just like notoriously reallybad at parrying and video games in general.
Yeah, when you when you hitthe perry and like you nail it,
it's like extremely satisfying, Like it'spretty cool. Web arms definitely,

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like I guess overall, just likeuh like other gameplay bits, like everything
about it is just better from thefrom the first two games, like both
Peter and Miles, it's just moreexciting, like the the what is it
the triangle in the circle finishers,some of them are really brutal. I
mean, I've seen so many clipswhere it's just like you just started your

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new job, trying to take careof your family, you know, and
it's like this is what Spider Mandoes to you. Like there's one in
particular, once he has the Symbiosuit on where he takes his leg and
just like pounds it into her throat, this girl's throat, and I'm like,
she's just so dead man like there'slike no chance in hell that she's
surviving that. No. The theseSpider Men that are in this game are

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like the ones that j Jon andJamison's talking about, Like they're literally menaces,
bro, Like they're they're throwing cinderblocks at people's chests, they're murdering
people. Yeah, like sewer greatsjust to the forehead, like, don't
worry about it, he's gonna befine. Don't worry. He'll get up,
he'll shake it off. Yeah.Maybe Jameson's right, Bro, Jameson
has a point. I think hesays the word menace. I think it's

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exactly what he's describing. Like there'sthat one animation where you'll go to do
a finisher and then Miles will likenail them with his foot and then just
kind of swing by and just throwup like a peace sign at you,
and I'm like, like it likea thumbs up at you. Thumbs up.
Yeah, Like he's so happy tobe like ruining this person's ability to
ever walk again, you know.Yeah, So gameplay is fun. Any

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other thing gameplay bits that stand outto you? I love the web Wings.
I just wanted to bring the webWings up because I remember before the
game came out and I was watchinglike clips of it, I was pretty
nervous about the web Wings. Iwas like, I like, this is
kind of gonna like neuter the wholepoint of like Spider Man like swinging through
New York. And I actually thoughtthat the way they integrated it into the

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gameplay was like pretty seamless and actuallyreally compliments the actual swinging aspect of things.
It's really nice to hit like aperfect combo and get like really high
up with the with the with thewebs and then just start soaring above the
city with the wings and then comingback down and then continuing to swing.
I thought they did it pretty perfectlywhere it's like there's no over reliance on
the wings and they don't like,you know, mess with the gameplay of

(57:35):
the actual Spider Man swinging through NewYork vibes of it all either. Yeah,
I know with that. Like prettymuch just everything about traversal in this
is off the charts. I mean, they just nailed it, like like
with the web wings, like doinglike a super swings shot or just like
a regular swingshot slingshot and then deployingthe wings afterwards and just like fucking soaring
through the city. This is justso much fun like that. That was

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one of the things that I reallyliked about the first two games is that
like you could be doing nothing andjust swing around all day and it's just
so like it's satisfying to swing.You know now it's just satisfying to swing
and fly. So I think youtold me the other day you got platinum
on the game, right, andplatinum means you pretty much got every trophy.
Yeah, I just did that acouple of days ago, just hit
platinum on it, and I've I'vesank a lot of time into it.

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Okay, So how many tries didit take you? And this is one
of the trophies? You have tofly from the Financial District to Astoria,
which is uh if folks don't know, because you know, I'm moving to
New York, so I know myplace is in New York now I'm a
real New Yorker, folks. Prettymuch, the Financial District is like the

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southern tip of the Manhattan like Island, I guess you can call it.
And Astoria is like I want tosay, it's like Queens or Brooklyn.
Yeah, but it's near Queens,I think. So you can't swing.
You can only use your web wingsto get from the southern point of Mena
Hatten to a story and you canwith it has to be like like all

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one one go. So I tookyou ten tries, did you event like?
So on the tenth try, likeyou saw the path that you had
to fly to take. Yeah,because you have to be hitting all those
like you know, all the windfunnels and stuff like that, because if
you're not in that, you're notnothing's happening. And then you know,
yeah, there's wind funnels across acrossthe the water and everything too. And

(59:27):
then once you do that, you'repretty much in the clear. Yeah.
No, once you fly like prettymuch out of Manhattan, like to the
right, like you can, there'sa wind tunnel that takes you pretty much
all the way up to Astoria andthat that'll that'll take you the rest of
the way. But you know thatthat one was so much fun just because
like I might just do that justfor fun, like after we log off,

(59:49):
right, that's me with the gameso often too. Like my roommate
I asked him how long it tookfor him to platinum the game, and
he was like, I think Igot it in like twenty nine thirty hours
or something like that. Yeah,I'm currently sitting at fifty three hours on
the game just platinumed it. Likethat, that's so much time where I
was just swinging around doing nothing mydays off work. Hit the dad pin

(01:00:10):
a couple of times and just geton that game start swinging for three hours,
like you can't. You can't beatthat, you know, like it's
so fun. I'm missing one trophy, and the trophy achievement is, uh,
you have to use like venom abilitiestwenty five times during a venom surge
or whatever. And I had alreadybeaten the game, so I'm like,

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Okay, well, this isn't gonnahappen. I'm not going to get a
venom surge and be able to useall my venom abilities that often. So
I was just like, well,that's just a good enough excuse to start
the game over, you know.So yeah, that's where I'm at right
now. I didn't use enough venerabilitiesduring my first playthrough. I'm patiently waiting

(01:00:53):
on the New Game Plus. Iknow, oh yes, it's coming in
a future update, and so that'swhat I'm gonna need in order to get
on there and play the game again. But I've already started thinking about playing
it again, Like it's one ofthose games where you finish it and you're
like, again, may as well, right why not? Yeah? What
do you what do you think we'regonna get in New Game Plus it's a
good question. Actually, I'm notso sure, but I think we're definitely

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gonna get you know, all yourupgraded abilities from the get go harder enemies
throughout throughout the run of the game. I would imagine. I meant like
like story wise, because you know, in the first game you had like
that Black Cat DLC, that dudewith a metal head, and then the
Silver Sable stuff like it was afull on, like like additional stories that

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you could play. You know.I think we're gonna get a Chameleon one
for sure, Okay, because youknow you get that after you do all
the missions with the birds and youget the information about it, like you
end up going, did you didyou finish all this year? You platinumed
it as well? Yeah? No, I've been the game and everything,
and I'm just missing one trophy toplatinum it. Okay. Yeah, Yeah,

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So I think we're gonna get Chameleon. I think we'll see some DLC
with him. I think we're gonnaget Carnage because I don't see them doing
him as like a villain and SpiderMan three because it's just so close to
Venom and they set Carnage up theretowards the ending of those the side quest
with Raith. So I think we'regonna see Carnage. I think we're gonna
see Caameleon, and I'm hopeful we'regonna see Daredevil. Okay, there's all

(01:02:19):
these fans kind of theorizing that wemight get Daredevil, and I think that'd
be a really fun DLC, thatthat'd be a nuts DLC, that that'd
be like huge. I agree withChameleon, but I do think that they
would be able to do enough storyfor Venom for like another another game.
I can see him doing Spider Manthree with that, like Spider Man three

(01:02:39):
with Sorry am I saying Venom,I meant I mean Carnage. They might
be able to do another game ofthat. And then there's also like the
post credit scene where you know they'rebringing in like Cindy Moon. Maybe they
could like touch on that like alittle more, like maybe she like gets
some DLC time. And then likehow they did like a little spin off

(01:03:00):
game with Miles. I don't knowhow this how well this would do,
but maybe like a spinoff game withwith Cindy. I have a question for
you, though, I was wondering, are you a performance mode player or
are you a fidelity mode player?When it comes to these types of games,
this is a great question and you'llyou'll have to explain. I don't
know what that means. I thinkI had it in fidelity mode, okay

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whole time, so for myself andthe listeners. Yeah, So performance mode
is essentially just like you get thefastest running version of the game. So
the game runs at sixty frames persecond instead of thirty franch per second,
and everything just looks like so fluidand so smooth, and the game just

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runs faster, it just moves quicker, and everything just looks a little bit
more cohesive, whereas fidelity you're you'reat thirty frames per second, but you
get a lot more graphical stuff.So like this New York is more populated.
On fidelity modes, you get morecars, you'll get more people walking
around, you get a little bitmore like textures on the buildings and everything
like that. You'll get the gameruns and moves a little bit slower,

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but you can see more like graphically. Yeah, but I'm personally like,
I'm more of a performance mode personbecause that's sixty frames per second just can't
be beat. I just love howfast and fluid. Like. That's where
I really feel the PS five iswhen I'm playing in performance mode and the
game just moves the way it does. Maybe I'll switch it over to performance,
but I'm pretty sure I played thefirst game in fidelity. But with

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that, let's kind of just moveinto talking about the graphics. Dude,
New York at night, I guessinfidelity mode is insane. Like, like
you if you just perch at thetop of I forget the name of the
tower. I think it's like theFreedom Tower in the Financial District, the
really tall one, and you justlook out at the rest of New York

(01:04:55):
at night, like the details andthe open world that you get, like
with all the lights on all thelittle buildings. It's just it's absolutely insane
to just like it's mind blowing tolook at and especially like since since they've
added in like we mentioned they addedin Brooklyn and Queens and being able to
see all that like out in thedistance and just knowing that you can fly

(01:05:19):
from the top of this tower allthe way to Brooklyn and Queens is just
I don't know, man, It'slike you said, it's the PS five
at work. I mean graphically,Like, I don't think there's many games
I've played that are like as goodas this game. And cut scenes look
good, but like it's really whenyou're like actually out and about and you're
like swinging around and like you said, like when you're observing New York at

(01:05:41):
night time and you just see allthe lights and it just goes so far.
Like it really feels like the mostcohesive you could make New York in
a video game. I know,it's ye like one for one obviously,
like there's stuff that's missing from NewYork. It's all kind of condensed down
a little bit, but like thisfeels like New York, like I haven't
been there yet, but like youknow, like on their next month,
and it really feels like a massivefucking city and you yeah, the whole

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city is your playground, and it'slike it's it's really impressive stuff. I
know there is one building that's justmissing because they couldn't secure the rights to
it from the game, but itis what it is. It's the same
thing with the nine to eleven memorialsite isn't in the game just because you're
right, right right, they justcouldn't make it happen. I don't think
i'd say, like rightfully, SoI don't think, like, you know,

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I think it's weird to like goto the nine eleven Memorial and then
swing by the Avengers Tower for sure. Yeah. Yeah, And they don't
really need to. I don't thinkthey, like Insomniac, really need to
push for that either. You know, it's like it's like, what the
fuck, you're not gonna let usout in our game? Yeah, I
don't think creative Team Insomniac was likewe need this, Like yeah, I

(01:06:50):
think it's just like obviously it's it'sa real thing, and I don't think
that they need to necessarily put inthe game. But yeah, I know,
graphics are just absolutely mind blowing.The fast travel is really one of
the things in this game where Iwas like PS five power fully tapped into
because I don't think I've ever seena game get loading times as as well

(01:07:15):
as this game has, like andby saying that, I mean they're non
existence. You literally press something andthen immediately that thing has happened. I
don't really fast travel much. I'mnot a fast travel player, especially in
a game like this, where likehalf the fun comes from traversal. But
did you fast travel in this gamejust at any point ever, just to
like see what, just to justto test it out. It's it's nuts,

(01:07:39):
dude, It's really nuts. I'venever seen anything like it in video
games, to be honest with you. Like, loading times are like just
commonplace in video games, and thisgame's biggest flex is that it's just like
what the fuck is a loading time? You know, Like, yeah,
even when you press continue on themain page, it takes like three seconds
for the game to be completely renderedin at like per ficto graphics. Like

(01:08:00):
it is like a real testament tolike the power of the PS five and
like what video games are going tobe capable of going forward, because loading
times are just a thing of thepast, at least in this game.
No, And that's honestly. Theloading time thing is something that's been true
ever since the first game. Youknow, it's like right from the start
menu, like you press X toplay and you're there. So that's that's

(01:08:23):
something Insomniac has really nailed down,so that I'm pretty happy about that.
Damn man, It's it's nuts.But how about, uh, how about
any thoughts on the story. Thisis where I feel like a lot of
the criticism comes from is uh,people aren't big on the story, at
least compared to the first game.I ag. Yeah, I think I
think the first game really dials intothe whole like with great power comes great

(01:08:45):
responsibility and like the burden of beingSpider Man, you know, m hm.
And I think the emotion is alot a lot more prevalent and a
lot more like heavy hitting in thefirst game, like that stuff with absolutely
ending of the first game, it'slike it hits. It's like getting your
heart ripped out of your chest.Yeah, yeah, it's like with this
one, I think the game isa little bit more content to be like,

(01:09:06):
look at how fun it is tobe Spider Man. Yeah, which
is cool, and I and Ireally had a fun time with it.
Like it's kind of like when you'rea kid and you think about, like
how cool it would be to beSpider Man. This game is that.
So that's to say, like theemotion is is kind of lacking in this
game, Like it's got a lotof heart, but it doesn't have any

(01:09:27):
like real like big punches that'll haveyou like messed up the way that the
first game did. First game isjust narratively a little bit more bleak,
you know, hm, not likea bad way, but just in a
way where it's like Spider Man isa sad character and his whole thing is
like his life is often pretty sad, and this one has shades of that,
but it's a lot more just likeSpider Man and his bro are clapping

(01:09:49):
a couple enemies and they're trying tolike light light a place on fire,
and Peter and Miles are just evisceratingthem. So yeah, yeah, the
story's good. I feel like there'sa little bit of an imbalance between how
much they gave Craven and how muchthey give Venom. But yeah, yeah,
I mean we can get into alittle bit more. But what did
you think of the story? Definitely, the Craven imbalance threw me off.

(01:10:14):
It's almost like I would have preferred, if I'm being honest with you,
like Craven as a character has alwaysbeen like weird to me, as like
a Spider Man character, And Idon't know if they'll really nail it in
their movie, But I didn't doa superhero. I honestly didn't really care
about the A lot of the Cravenstuff in this like it was fun to
fight like his goons and stuff,but like these guys just literally they're just

(01:10:39):
like on a hunt for people,Like that's his whole deal. Because at
the same time, I'll read anycomic books, so I don't know anything
about Craven, but like they're likeyou, The game littally opens up with
him just going for a hunt inthe jungle and they're like, oh,
you want to go hunting somewhere else. They just and they're so high tech,
dude, like he just pulls outthis pad and then just like all

(01:11:01):
these people start popping up, Likedamn, this is this is kind of
crazy. But no, fighting himis fun. Fighting all the goons is
fun. I honestly thought that theywere gonna go like a really weird route
and he was somehow gonna be likeI thought he was gonna be the like
he would get the symbio, youknow. I thought he was gonna end

(01:11:21):
up being Venom for yet bit there. I kind of wish they went that
route or they just didn't really gowith Craven at all. I mean,
I like Craven as a Spider Manvillain to a certain degree, Like I
think the problem with him in thisgame is that you sacrifice a little bit
of what makes the character work sothat the game can be a video game.
And by saying that, I meanlike Craven doesn't really have goons,

(01:11:44):
you know, like he he's ahunter and he does it usually by himself,
and that's kind of why the characterworks, is because he's just like
extremely strong and resourceful man who willdo whatever it takes to to hunt his
prey. And the character kind ofdoesn't work when he has like thousands of
goons like moving around the city likewatching and he's not hunting anything when he

(01:12:05):
has all these people doing most ofthe work for him, and so I
feel like it kind of completely compromisesthe character straight from the get go.
I also think that like he's notreally in it a lot, you know,
like you get like a Craven sceneand then you'll go like another like
three hours before you even hear fromthis dude again. And so yeah,
I think that there there isn't imbalancein how much they gave him. I

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think his plot is cool, andI know Craven loosely from like Spider Man
stuff that I've you know, readand experienced throughout my life. I think
the idea of having him like dyingfrom like cancer or something and wanting to
like go out on top. Idon't know if that's like a part of
his character. I thought it waseffective, and I thought it I bought

(01:12:48):
into his whole like quest a littlebit more because of the fact that he's
just this man who his whole purposehas been hunting and trying to find the
greatest prey and now he's gonna diein a way that he deems is like
a complete waste of his life.Yeah, you know, and so I

(01:13:08):
think I think it's like cool tohave him like just trying to like kill
the biggest prey he can find beforehe ends up dying. I thought that
added some some cool nuances and likecomplexities to the depiction of his character.
But he is he is underdeveloped.I think the game just a little half
baked. What did you think ofthe venom stuff? Though? In the

(01:13:30):
in the way that they tell thestory, because the symbiote story is one
that's been told time and time andtime again for Spider Man fans, and
it feels like it's, you know, you have to bring something new to
the table to make it to makeit work at this point. They do
that by having Harry b Venom,But what did you think about how they
go about telling the story? Youknow? I, uh, again,

(01:13:50):
I don't read many comics, butsomething that I like and I have heard
from fans, And this is eventrue if you watch, like, uh,
like the animated Spider Man series Venomand I guess it's different since it's
Venom and Harry, not Venom andUh and Eddie Brock, but Venom and

(01:14:11):
Eddie they got the whole dual personalitything going, and Venom is very much
like his own character in that way, and there's like conflict between the two
personalities, you know, like Eddiekind of has to I think that's not
like incorrect, right, Like Eddiekind of fights it sometimes, you know,
like they're always like kind of atodds with each other, or that
that might be Venom and Peter.Venom was just kind of like like even

(01:14:35):
with Tom Hardy's Venom, there's alwaysthat that banter, that back and forth
and sometimes it's funny, and Venomat times can be funny, you know,
and it's like that version of himwasn't really wasn't really here he was
just like kind of like a bigmonster. Yeah, he's super scary and

(01:14:56):
super like I just want to murder. I think like with that, didn't
care for it too much, Likemaybe he'll come back in the future.
Yeah, but we'll see Harry again. I think they might be done with
the whole Venom arc, but we'llbe definitely seeing Harry in the third one.
I think it's like the whole thingwith Venom probably could have been expanded
upon a little more. What aboutit, that's like a general Yeah,

(01:15:18):
I would agree. I think that'skind of a general critique of the game
that I can't agree with, despitethe fact that I do like this story,
like a lot of it just feelsa little half baked in some areas.
But I thought the Venom stuff wascool, especially with it being Harry,
which you know, the first gamesets up and everything like that.
But it kept me guessing throughout theentire game on like what's going to happen
that has Harry like ending up inthis state because the way that they frame

(01:15:41):
it throughout the first half is likeHarry has powers now too, and like,
you know, as a player andas somebody who is familiar with this
stuff of like where this is going, but they keep you on your toes
a little bit and like how it'sgoing to play out. And I thought
that was really cool. I likeall the Harry stuff. I thought that
was really effective as having like Harryand Norman kind of resorting to giving his

(01:16:02):
son the symbio in an attempt tosave his life despite knowing like what it's
kind of capable of before it ultimatelylike blows up in his face. I
thought it was a fun spin onthe Hairy character. I think it ultimately
allows them to do a fun spinon the Green Goblin character in the next
game, and also just Venom inthis is like I do. I would
agree that I missed some of thebanter and some of like the comedy and

(01:16:25):
this back and forth, but Ithought like Venom was scary here, and
that's cool. In the year oftwenty twenty three, when Venom has been
played out so much, I thinkit's it's pretty awesome to have him like
be like effectively scary and easily likethe coolest Venom design I've ever seen.
Like I thought, he just loyeah, fucking awesome. So I did
like the stuff that they're doing withVenom. I wish we got a little

(01:16:45):
bit more though. It's really likethe last act of the game where they
really commit to it, you know, I think it would have been really
fun and you get a little tasteof this, like and this is probably
my favorite part of the game becauseit shocked me when Peter finally is free
of the symbio they trick you,Like when you go back to Ozcorp.
It's like, oh, all right, Peter is about to go fight Venom,

(01:17:09):
but then like he just kind ofknocks him out of the way and
you get to run around Oscorp asVenom. That shit was kind of that
was nuts. Yeah, that wasfighting people's heads off and stuff. I'm
like, what am I playing rightnow? Yeah, it's like a completely
different game. It's like a horrorgame for that mission. It's it's awesome
and honestly, like, if Iwant to theorize real quick, I think

(01:17:32):
like the Wolverine gameplay is probably goingto be slightly similar to like how you
run around with Venom as this orin this, you know, because you're
just swiping a bunch of people,you know what I mean. Like I
could see Wolverine being like this alittle bit, but no, I think
that would have been really fun ifif you could sometimes like have like some

(01:17:53):
random encounter where you could run aroundas Harry and Venom, you know,
like free Rome. I wish thatkind of add it. Maybe like New
Game Plus could give us that,because that'd be really cool just to be
able to just play Venom running aroundthe city. Yes, tearing shit out,
I think would be It would bereally fun. I definitely saw that
people were like there were like bugsor he could leave Oscorpin just free Room

(01:18:15):
New York. So I think theyfixed that. Yeah. Well, well,
while talking about the story kind ofbeyond like the villains and everything,
like Peter and Miles both have theirown distinct stories and arcs that they're going
through. In this one, youknow, Peter is living at May's house
and he's kind of struggling with tryingto find work and balance the Spider Man
thing. Like the opening sequence resultsin him getting fired as his job as

(01:18:40):
a teacher, and so it's aboutthis intense balance that he's facing where he
can't really commit to a job buthe needs to because he's struggling to make
money. I love when Spider Man'slike broken struggling. You know. I
think that's like the most universal partof the character is like being like this
incredible hero, but he still doesn'tknow how to pay his bills. And
I think that that's he's like everyoneelse. That's that's what makes him great.

(01:19:03):
Like, yeah, you can't reallyrelate to like like Bruce Wayne or
Iron Man because they're rich. Yeah, exactly. Bruce Wayne's like, I
need a I need a jet toget where I'm going, no problem.
I think I think with Spider Man, like that's one of the things that
makes everybody love him so much,and I think this game does really like
effectively lean into that, like thewhole yeah broke Spider Man aspect. The

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Miles stuff is maybe a little bitless effective. Just for me, it
feels like they didn't give Miles asmuch to do as they did Peter.
You know, like all all thestuff with Miles I did enjoy, but
it just feels like a lot ofthe time he's just kind of hanging out,
you know, like there's some somepretty lame side question with Miles,
whereas Peter gets a lot of thereally cool side quests, And so I'm

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guess I'm curious, like what didyou think about the two separate storylines that's
going on between between Peter and betweenMiles. I definitely agree that the side
stuff, I mean, Peter gotthe flame stuff and that's probably one of
the ass and Miles like, man, the Vision's Academy stuff, Like when
on my second play through right now, I'm like, fuck, I just

(01:20:08):
want to knock all this Vision's Academystuff out, like real quick, like
I'm over this. And then Ididn't really care about the Vision's Academy suit
that you get afterwards. Flag.Yeah it's I think that it's the Puerto
Rican flag. Okay, yeah,I think so. I think so.
I didn't really care for that suit. Like the Prowler missions whatever, you

(01:20:30):
know, Yeah, you just likescan a wall and then you're like all
right, yeah to enter this roomand you enter the room. That's it.
Yeah, And like you maybe fightpeople once, like maybe if there
were some like fight encounters at moreof them, that would have been fun.
You know, some of the there'ssome side missions that you can do
as Peter or Miles, but likePeter, like the ones that were exclusive

(01:20:55):
to Peter definitely were better than theones that were exclusive to miles, you
know, there was There's the oneman I just remembered about this when they
asked that I'm gonna have to dolater is the side quest with Haley.
I didn't really care for that one. I hated it and I felt like
such an asshole because everybody was like, Oh, it's it's really cool,
and I'm like, I was reallybored during that mission. Yeah. No,

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I guess it's it's cute, youknow, But like other than that,
it's like, I don't want todo this one again. When the
game puts me in those situations,I feel ambushed, you know. I'm
like ready to do some cool SpiderMan shit and then it's just like you
have to run around spray paint.And I'm like, That's how I feel
about the MJ stuff too, Likeit goes both ways. Like I don't
like when I'm not playing a SpiderMan in my Spider Man games, you

(01:21:35):
know. Yeah, but no,honestly, Myles doesn't have a ton to
do in this game. And likeeven when I feel like there's a part
in the game where you have toplay exclusively as Peter when he has a
symbio, he just doesn't talk toanybody, and he doesn't even like like
he pretty much just ignores Miles wheneverhe tries to call, and I'm just
like, yeah, I'm just likeit's like I'm gonna do this myself.

(01:22:00):
There's one but no, that's justlike a crazy way to side sideline him,
you know, the sideline Miles,Like you can't even get the option
to like play with him. Andhe does have some cool stuff, like
I mean I found the stuff withlike I think it's like the the Music
Museum where you're like, oh,yeah, I thought that was like a
fun quest. But again, likeit all feels kind of like, I
don't know, just kind of likeuseless in like meandering when like you're doing

(01:22:24):
such crazy shit as Peter, andthen Miles like I gotta I gotta get
this trumpet back, and I'm like, yeah, I just wish we had
a little bit more for for himto do. I remember the creators had
talked about the creat like Insomniac hadtalked about how like they felt like they
had struck like a perfect balance betweenlike Peter's story and Miles's story, And
I'm like, who's gonna tell them? I don't, Yeah, no,
it didn't. It feels it feelslike more of a like a Peter story

(01:22:47):
for sure. Yeah, you know, it's cool that Miles is there again
playing his Miles is so awesome andI love that character, But it does
feel like the story was built aroundPeter and then Miles was maybe in core
pritted a little bit later on.I guess, like at a quick thought,
you know, he's doing the trumpetstuff and like helping out high schoolers,
like maybe they're just trying to gofor the whole, like he's like

(01:23:10):
the new like friendly neighborhood spider Man, you know, and like Peter has
to deal with like the bigger thebigger shit. I guess did I like
it not? I mean, Ithink they could have gone like a better
way about it, like better executionprobably would have would have helped with that
one, because I get it.You know, I'm trying to think right
now, like what Miles is,like main story really is, and like

(01:23:31):
I'm kind of drawing blanks, youknow, like I don't really think he
has one, Like there's some there'ssome cool stuff with his mom and again,
like I love in the movies,I love the stuff with Rio and
in the game I love the stuffwith Rio. I think it's all still
well done. Isn't given as muchtime at the forefront as any of the
Peter stuff is. And the Peterstuff is like, you know, he's
like getting possessed by an alien andlike go turning his back on everybody in

(01:23:54):
his life and just facing this crazysituation. And then Miles is just like
I'm the Electric Spider and I'm like, this feels like a little undercooked.
But yeah, no, I thinklike Miles main purpose in the game was
strictly to save Peter from the Symbio. There's that one big fight that they

(01:24:15):
have and it did take Miles tolike, you know, save him from
it. But then he just kindof he's just kind of like at the
side after that. Man. Ofcourse, with Miles, we have to
talk about his suit original one onone, Miles, you know what,

(01:24:36):
Okay, look, I think II might let it slide just a little
bit if they close off the topof the suit. Yeah, the hair,
And I don't like these. Ithink the only like hooded suit that
can be pulled off is Gwen's suit. Like, I don't like these.

(01:25:00):
I don't like these Spider Man suitsthat just have the hood and you're not
wearing like a sweatshirt, you know, it's just like part of the suit,
and it bothers me. I likethe end, you know that the
end suit there. I love thatone, but all the other ones I
would agree. I just I don'tthink work very well. No, And
like they gave one to Peter inthis I think that's like the new Scarlet

(01:25:20):
Spider suit or something. It mustbe something from the comics, I don't
know, but he has like oneof those hooded suits, and I'm like,
I'm not really fucking with it.What do you think about the Iraq
night one with like the cape?I never used it. I wasn't into
it. There's so many suits inthere that I'm just like, I do
not care about this suit. Andthere's one in particular where I'm like,

(01:25:42):
like, in the in the firstgame and Spider Man Remastered, they added
the first Andrew Garfield suit, right, yeah, yeah, And I actually
really like that suit, like likeswinging around in that the first one and
I was like, damn, Iactually really want the amazing Spider Man two
suit, and then he got itin this one. I'm like, I
don't really care for it anymore really? Yeah, yeah, no, there

(01:26:03):
there's a ton of suits that Ijust don't really like. But man,
that Miles one is tough. It'seven funnier because the game frames it like
this big moment and like he's likeunveiling like his badass new suit. It's
just the most like mediocre Spider Mansuit I've ever seen brought to the screen.
No, I just don't like.Hew was like, I was like,

(01:26:23):
oh, it's like a Miles Morelesoriginal one of one when he already
had like he already kind of hadlike a little suit arc in the Mile
in the first Miles Morales game,like he already made the Spider Man suit
his own. You know that thatwas like the whole thing. Like there,
that was like a big rousing moment. I thought that was awesome.
I was saying to you, likebefore we started the pod too, like

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Peter reacts in the Miles Morales gameto the to the suit so much more
positively than he does to the suitat the ending of this one, when
he unveils the suit Miles Moreles,Peter's like, oh, Miles, that
suit looks so dope, man,Like that's so cool. And then in
this one, He's just like looksnice, and I'm like, even Peter
can't hide how he feels about thatsuit. It is not very good.
I don't know if you've seen thisTikTok, but they use they like someone

(01:27:09):
uses like maybe like AI to captureUri Lo Londell's voice. But like the
scene where you know the city isgetting invaded by all the symbiotes, he
swings in with this suit and thenPeter's like, what the fuck are you
wearing? Yeah, then Miles like, oh, it's a Miles Morales original,
like one of one. He's likethat shits as bro. Yeah,

(01:27:31):
I agree, I'm with him.All the stuff that they've been doing for
the clips from this game, Likethere's this one clip I saw like an
edit of it on TikTok and itwas just like he says something about just
like want me to say that again, so Haley can hear it? No?
No, Like that's nuts. Likeit's like when he's got like the
Symbio suit on, I'm like,that's absolutely yeah, And people are just

(01:27:53):
like it looks convincing, like you'dthink it's part of the game if you
didn't know, it's like fake it'sit's hilarious. Yeah suck, Yeah,
suit is bad. I was curiouswhat you actually thought about like a bully
or inhal in this, you know, like how how did you feel about
how Peter behaved and everything while hewas wearing the Symbio suit while he was

(01:28:14):
dealing with all that. I mean, I don't I don't think it's like,
uh like I feel like sometimes Yuriwas like kind of overdoing it as
far as like voice performance was,you know, but I don't think it
was like as bad as like likeI I definitely prefer Yuri's like voice acting
over what Tobey Maguire did and SpiderMan three, but who knows. I

(01:28:38):
mean that you're comparing like we're comparingit like a voice performance versus like a
live action thing. But no,Like I sometimes I thought it was cool,
like when especially h when you're doinglike a venom surge and he's like
real angry. I thought that shitwas like real convincing. I was like,
oh fuck, like I'm fucking peopleup right now, you know,
like like your ur he sounds sicklike he's like it's little line to that

(01:29:00):
I found so fun, Like whenI like you know, beat the shit
out a bunch of criminals or whatever, and then he's just like absolutely pathetic.
I'm like, damn, yeah,this guy is a menace. There's
that one line too where he's justtalking to Harry and he's just like,
why why don't you pop some morepills and tell me what you're really thinking?
And I'm like, I buy himas an asshole right now. I
thought it was good despite the factthat, yeah, I would agree with

(01:29:20):
you at certain points you he wasmaybe overdoing it just a little bit.
Yeah, No, And I thinkthe only times he really overdoes it is
when it's like on those like randomlike like fighting crimes, you know.
I like, there are no cutscenes where I was like, yeah,
you're you're pretty cringey right now you'rehere, because for the most part,
it's like there's nothing like funny aboutit, and there's like nothing funny or

(01:29:43):
like campy about it, like howthey tried doing it in in Spider Man
three, Like could you imagine ifhe had little arc where he just wears
like a black suit and just startsdancing around in jazz clubs and shit,
I still can't believe they did thatin that movie. Like, yeah,
it's so funny. One of myfavorite like Spider Man lines ever, is
actually in this game, like rightafter he gets the Symbio suit and he's

(01:30:04):
fighting like that big guy that Cravensends after Him's like, I didn't know
there was bears in these woods.Oh, He's like he's the only problem.
I'm fresh out of honey and Ithen he just gets immediately gets his
ship rocked. But yeah, yeah, really funny stuff. And I feel
like he does strike like a prettygood balance of like the Spider Man quips
while he gets progressively darker into likethe Symbio territory. No, the the

(01:30:27):
whole thing about uh what is itthe may Foundation or something. Everything about
him there when he was in thesymbiosuit was pretty funny, Like even the
the one liner where when he triescrawling is the particle accelerator or whatever and
he's like like, don't worry aboutit, stayed positive. I'm like,
oh man, yeah, yeah,dad jokes, you're in full force.

(01:30:49):
Like that one was like cringe,but I was like, Okay, that's
that's kind of good though it's passable. Cringe. Yeah, yeah, exactly
exactly. I wanted to ask youwith some of the set pieces in this
game, if you had any likefavorite like big moment, like big action
moments in this game, anything thatreally stood out to you from your playthrough.
Obviously, the first one that comesto mind has to be the opening

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or once Peter and Miles get upto the roof of the school they see
Sandman going down and like there's thatreally fast like rousing music and they just
both start swinging together. That showis fucking crazy. Like just fighting a
gigantic Sandman in the middle of Manhattanis is nuts. And I feel like
with this this is also like thePS five at play, Like when he

(01:31:33):
smacks Miles from like the one partof Manhattan all the way to the other
side of the city. Yeah,it was like damn man, Yeah,
like all the way across the mapand then you just fly back there and
like you know, little to notime. That's tons of fun. That
one does too, because you havethat sick earth Gang song playing, you
know, right off the rip andamazing, like it's like Jaws on the

(01:31:56):
floor, Like immediately I'm just soin that. I think. I like
that first night I started playing,I was like I only have like an
hour to play, and I endedup yeah, for like for like four
like it was just yeah, itwas so in other set pieces though,
nothing nothing else really comes to mindaside from like, uh like maybe when
he first gets like the symbio,like the first venom surge is always pretty

(01:32:17):
crazy. I thought the the ConeyIsland like roller coaster scene was like crazy
when like he's trying to stop themfrom destroying the roller coaster and it's like
falling off the tracks and he's justI thought that was a really intense moment
and just a really cool set piece. Yeah, that that one was pretty
heavy and intense because like like it'salmost like he thinks he's about to drop
them and he's like apologizing, youknow. Yeah, so that that was

(01:32:40):
pretty That was heavy. The lizardchase, I thought was was pretty epic
as well. You're switching back andforth between Peter and Miles there, which
is really fun. Yeah, it'sa really great scene as well. Good
stuff for sure. What about uhwhat about side missions or side stories?
I mean I think we already wehave the two same side stories he's in
mind about the ones that kind ofstand out. So it's funny because I

(01:33:03):
don't think I got really emotional likeduring the second game for the most part.
Aside from that, there's one particularside quest that like fucking ruined me.
I was. I was in shamblesafter it because I just didn't see
it coming. Yeah, the parkbench one where you know, he has
to go looking for this this girl'sgrandfather because he kind of went missing,

(01:33:24):
and you find him in the parkwith a spot where he fell in love
with his wife and she's passed away, and he has like I think he
says something about how his like memoriesfading, so I think he has like
dementia, and he just talks withSpider Man about like falling in love,
and it is like the most beautifulscene in like any Spider Man media I've
I've probably ever seen, Like Iwas, I was ruined by it.
It was beautiful. No, that'sthat's like really good, just like Spider

(01:33:45):
Man stuff, just helping people outwith every day shit. Yeah, talking
about love and life and everything likethat. So that one's really good.
Down crushed me. But I thoughtyou were gonna say the Howard one,
that one's crazy as well, andthat one, yeah get me emotional,
just not quite in the same wayas that first one did. Yeah.
No, So the thing with theHoward one is that at least it was

(01:34:08):
fun. I think when I kindof got there and he started talking about
like oh like look at the lookat the ferry coming in, or like
he just starts talking about his life, I was like, Okay, this
guy's he's probably gonna go soon.But then he got to swing with his
doves to that like really nice likeseventies I think it's a seventies song getting
to fly with the doves, andthen you have to like deploy your wings

(01:34:28):
and stuff, and it's like,wow, this is really this is really
cool. Like I had to likethat too. Yeah, I do barrel
rolls and all that, and thenyou swing back and he like passes away,
and like, damn no, Ithink you're right. I'll have to
agree with you that the that thepark Bench one hit does hit a little
harder emotionally than the than the Howardone. But yeah, so no,
those two side missions got me,like got me going more than like anything

(01:34:54):
that happened in the main story,at least like emotional agreed. I had
the same interaction with it, andalso like I played that park bench one
wearing the Andrew Garfield suit. Ohsh of it just like punched me a
little bit harder when he's asking himif you've ever been in love and I'm
like, oh man, this isthis is heavy. Yeah. I mean
I also I will say, like, while we're talking about getting emotional from

(01:35:16):
the game, nothing got me quitethe way that the may stuff at the
ending of the first one did.The the ending of the game itself with
with that scene with Peter and Miles, and it's kind of like a passing
of the torch that was like solike warm spirited and like just made me
feel good. Like I was like, Peter deserves this, you know,
get away from the Spiderman ship fora while, live a life, you
know, get a job, makesome money, and spend some time with

(01:35:38):
with the girl you love. SoI think I got a little emotional from
that, but like nothing up topar with the first game. Yeah,
no, I mean, it's justlike it's a happy ending. I can
really do is like be be happyfor the character. Yeah, I know,
Like yeah, yeah, it's it'sstill shows up in the third game
and just fucking ruins everything. Geezman, We'll see Norman and uh and

(01:36:03):
fuck, what's what's doc Ock's actualname? Oh, Auto Octavius. Yeah,
yeah, I think they're both gonnaget a team up again. If
there's anything else that I'm kind ofbummed on on the story of this game
is that pretty much the characters asidefrom Martin Lee from the Sinister Six either

(01:36:24):
died off screen or well, theyjust died off screen, except for one
that we got to see. Wegot to see Scorpion's death. But I
think like maybe like a little moreon that would have been cool. I
agree. I think it would havebeen interesting to like see him actually like
go after each one of them individually, Yeah, to hunt them like he
wanted to do. Yeah, AndI just hate that he just does it

(01:36:45):
and we're just given the information thathe did it, like Electro just got
whacked and I'm like one of SpiderMan's biggest villains just like killed off screen.
It's kind of crazy. And wedidn't even get to they didn't get
to recreate the animated Spider Man wherehe's going after Shocker. You can't escape
me, Shocker. What a missedopportunity. I completely agree. Yeah,

(01:37:13):
No, I we didn't even touchon the Martin Lee stuff, which I
actually thought was like probably the mosteffective stuff with with Miles' character. I
completely forgot to mention that the harefeels towards him and the way that he
ultimately is like I'm not gonna forgiveyou, but I gotta just let this
shit go for myself is like theemotionally charge stuff with Miles's story and works
really well. Like having this kindof like redemption arc for Martin Lee despite

(01:37:35):
the fact that Miles is like Istill don't forgive you. I thought that
stuff all worked really well, andthe way that they bring his character back
to redeem him is pretty good.That is pretty good stuff. But the
fact that neither of us remembered itlike right off the top, you know
a little bit. Yeah, that'strue. Well, one more thing on

(01:37:56):
Martin Lee. They even did thiswith like Sandman when he had to go
after his cristles or whatever. Ithink sometimes it's a little much when you
have to like go into like themind of the character, like either like
miss like Martin Lee's like like hiswhole thing with with like a like somehow
he goes into Peter's mind and itunlocks, like the anti venom suit or

(01:38:19):
something. I'm like, this isa little too like a little too much,
you know. And then they haveto go into like Sandman's mind to
like free him from his insanity becauseof his kid or something. I think
all that is like a little toolike far fetch for me. I agree.
I've never really been been a bigfan of like that that trope in

(01:38:43):
media where it's like we got togo into the person's brain to stop the
problem. I'm like, yeah,you know, it doesn't really work.
Yeah, they do it. Theydo it multiple times in this game,
so I think it works even lessthan if they had just done it the
once and then we just yeah,moved on. This game goes back to
that idea like three times, andI'm like, alright, I don't need
to see hell New York in SpiderMan Symbiot mind, you know, Like

(01:39:04):
it's just kind of yeah, no, that that's just the silly bit of
is that it's New York and youhave to like swing around and like fight
goons in his mind of like it'sridiculous, you know, Yeah, I
agree, So let's Seeah, that'sall I have on on the Martin Lee
stuff. But no, that theemotional bits with miles of story. That's

(01:39:26):
it's probably as best it's gonna get. Did it work? I don't know
I would agree, But uh,you said favorite suits. Yeah, I
just wanted to ask, like,what suits were your favorite in the game,
and also which ones were your leastfavorite any that come to mind.
I definitely have a favorite for Peter. It's just his game his regular game
suit that you get, but thebut the black variant, you know what

(01:39:50):
I'm talking about? Yeah, yeah, no, I I love that suit.
I played the like in my firstplay through. That's all I wore.
So that's my favorite suit for Peter. Favorite suit for Miles. I
think it's called like the track suitor something like the first one that you
unlock. It's like black and thenit has white down the sides. I
don't like the white variant. Ilike it when it's like the all black

(01:40:12):
suit. That's the suit that Iwore for Miles pretty much all throughout my
first play through. Let's see,least favorite suit for Peter. I don't
want to say the Iraq night suitbecause that that would be my least favorite
for both Peter and Miles. There'sthis other one where he like looks like
a like a samurai or something.Yeah, the Kubo one. Yeah,

(01:40:32):
no, I thought that one wasweird. I never wore that one.
I agree. I didn't care forthat one at all. Yeah, and
then there's there's that like one lastsuit that you unlock at the end for
both. I think Miles has hisown version of this, but it's like
the the may Foundation one or something. It looks like he has a little
space helmet like the other suit thatthey reveal, like it's a big moment

(01:40:56):
and yeah, it sucks, Like, yeah, I'm just like, why
did you guy save this for theend? Yeah, it's the same thing
with Miles as big suit, it'ssuper lame. And then same thing with
Peter. He gets this special suitthat Harry designed for him and it's just
it's not good at all. Yeah, No, you know what suit I
wish well, I wouldn't have wornit a lot. But uh like getting

(01:41:18):
the the Agent Venom suit that thatHarry had, you know what you what
I'm talking about? Yeah, yeah, okay, yeah, when when he
when he tries running around, whenhe tries running around as a hero,
that suit's kind of like I couldI could mess around with that. It's
pretty it's kind of cool. Andthen least favorite Miles suit that isn't a
rack Night or or Evolved. Yeah. There, he Miles actually has like

(01:41:42):
a couple of Venom suits. There'sthis one where he has like a big
ass cowl and I wasn't I didn'treally care for that one. Yeah.
I thought that one was kind ofridiculous looking. It looks like something out
of like a Slipknot video from thenight. Yeah, yeah, it's really
weird. Well, what about youfavorites for me? I just I love

(01:42:02):
the you know, the No WayHome suit that we see at the very
ending of the movie, like theone that set up Tom Holland to be
wearing in the future movies there.Yeah, you get that late in the
game. But I love that suit. I love the color palette to it.
It's like a classic Spider Man suit, but it's like the colors really
pop on it. So I startedusing that one a lot closer to the
end of the game. I reallyliked the classic black suit, like the

(01:42:25):
comic book style, almost like theanimated series style one. Also loved the
one that you mentioned obviously, justthe regular like Simpio suit. Love the
amazing Spider Man suit, like thefirst the first one. Second one's cool
as well, but it just looksa little weird. And and Spider Man
Noir was really cool to have forPeter as well. I thought that was
definitely it was fun to use thatone. And for Miles I really liked

(01:42:47):
I used the one you said,the track suit. I used that one
a lot, but I also usedthe end suit, which is like him
with like the jacket and the camouflagepants. And I know some people don't
like that one. Oh yeah,he's wearing he has a hood on,
right, yeah yeah, And that'slike the only hood one that I'm like,
Actually, I really like this.It's like the street where stuff and

(01:43:08):
he's got like the painted on Spiderlogo on the back. I thought that
one was cool. I like theactually one. Oh yeah, purple Rain's
good. The one that I'm prettycool about as well. In in the
Miles Morales game, the suit thathe starts out with, like the the
blue puffy jacket, So that one'sin Spider Man two, but they do
a variant of it where he haslike it's pretty much all black, like

(01:43:30):
he has a black puff jacket.I really liked that one as well.
Agreed, Agreed, I like thatone. I like the Smoking Mirrors one,
like the Mysterio Miles suit. Ithought that one was pretty wicked,
and the Brooklyn twenty ninety nine milesit, Oh yeah, it's really really cool
as well. Least favorites would belike the the Inside Out suit that Spider
Man wears and like No Way Homelike that Oh yeah, one where it's

(01:43:53):
like black and gold, black andgold. Yeah. I hated that suit
in the movie. I hate ithere. It's just a yeah in my
opinion. Yeah, the one youmentioned, like the Samurai wan, like
the Kumo suit. Didn't like thatone, Red Specter, the Miles suit.
I'm trying to describe that one,but it's just really ugly. And
then the Evolved suit, which youknow we've talked about already. Yeah,

(01:44:15):
you know what suit. You knowwhat suit I miss from the first Spider
Man game. It's a Peter suit, the one that you get at the
end of after you do all ofthe Black Wood or not Black Widow,
the Black Cat missions. It's justan all black Spider Man suit and he
has like red eyes and like ared Spider logo on it. Oh what
I'm talking about. Yeah, yeah, I miss I miss that suit.

(01:44:38):
It's weird the ones they chose tolike get rid of in the ones they
chose to keep you now, theother one that was also my favorite.
They have a Spider Man twenty ninetynine suit for Peter in this, but
they only have like the the miguelO'Hara one. Well I guess they're both
miguel o hera, but uh,the one that's white, you know,
what's what I'm talking about. Yeah, the white with kind of like the
red eyes. That one's pretty cool. There's some really. I love that

(01:45:00):
each suit gets like a variant andso there's like different like skins and colors
for them based on like your ownpersonal preferences and stuff. Allows you to
really like tailor your own taste tothe to the different outfits you're wearing.
Yeah, yeah, for sure,for sure. But okay, do you
have anything else covered a lot?Yeah? Shit, I guess I'll rap

(01:45:20):
by just saying, like Yuri loenthalIs is the goat man like throughout the
Yeah, I was like his He'sso good at playing Peter in like both
different forms, like the symbio formand like the regular form and like there's
one moment in particular where I'm like, he's so good at emotion, and
it's when Harry is like fully succumbedto like the venom or to venom,

(01:45:44):
and he's like, you gotta yougotta kill me, you gotta give up
on me, and he just looksout like one really loud, like Harry
please, Like it's like a cry. It's just really good. Like I'm
just like, damn, like hehe nails the emotion. And I don't
know that the actor he plays Miles, his name is nag Jitter. I
hope I'm pronouncing that right, nagJeter something. Yeah. Yeah, he's
really good as well, Like hehe isn't Miles from the movies, but

(01:46:10):
I think he's This interpretation of thecharacter is all the better for it the
fact that he doesn't feel like boxedinto trying to play the character in the
same way that he's being played inthe movies and everything like that. He
does his own thing with the character. And I think that both interpretations of
the two lead Spider Man are arepretty amazing. No. Yeah, I
think the way this voice work fitsthe version of Miles that we get,
you know, like if if I'mbeing honest to you, Like the Miles

(01:46:34):
and the movies, he's just like, you know, he's cool, and
this one kind of feels like adweve, Like he feels like a fucking
nerd. So they I think theyboth like work respectively, you know.
Yeah, they're doing their own thingswith the characters for sure. Yeah,
is this supposed to be a pun? Are you? Are you trying to

(01:46:57):
be? Like, No, I'mgonna do my own thing. That's funny.
It took me a second to realizewhat you're getting. I was like,
wait, no, it was intentional, but that worked out really well.
Okay, that's funny. No,because he said it like a couple
of times, I was like,are you are you trying to? Are
you going for you here? Like, no, that that's just that's a
happy accident. That's funny. Butyeah, no, Uri, like you

(01:47:20):
know, every time he screamed Harryat the end of the movie, he's
like really like he's tasting it,you know, like he's really fucking going
for it. And just one morething, like on that final fight,
like it was so satisfying to justlike be like so high up in the
air and just Peter and Miles arejust beating the ship and I'm like,

(01:47:41):
yeah, yeah, that show wastoo funny and it was fun Yeah,
agreed that whole final fight is prettypretty amazing. But I guess my final
thoughts on it, uh, it'soverall like gameplay experiences is bar none.
Like it's incredibly immersive and I wouldplay it over and over and over and
I can't wait for some new gameplus some DLC stuff, And honestly,

(01:48:05):
something that I thought was pretty impressiveis how like, at least to me,
I thought there were very little bugsat launch, and I feel like
that's rare for video games. Likeusually, like when I played Jedi Survivor,
insane amount of bugs at lunch andthey had to launch bugs like like
six months in too. Like withthis game, it felt like very well

(01:48:28):
polished, like every once in awhile, like maybe like there's one mission
where it's like I probably should saveand restart the game because I can't move
forward, but like it was nothingcompared to Jedi Survivor. It really feels
like they, like Insomniac, tookthe time and really put out a good
product cube Bug at all. LikeI never got the Cube Bug it's once

(01:48:50):
and I was like, this isridiculous. You're just swinging around just like
a tiny little cube. Yeah,so no, overall awesome. If I'm
gonna rate it out of five,I think I give it like a four
and a half or no, afour out of five experience. I think
for me, i'd probably give itthe four and a half out of five
just because, like, I haven'thad this much fun playing a video game

(01:49:12):
in a while, like since probablyGotta War Ragnarrok was the last time I've
like enjoyed a game like this,And yeah, overall, like you know,
I have some minor gripes with iteverything, but like really just an
incredible Spider Man story for the mostpart, aside from some some issues it
has and some some minor kings andstuff like that. But I just had
an absolute blast with it. AndI think it's a game that is like

(01:49:35):
easily the most impressive that PS fivehas had to showcase so far. I
guess the story, like even formost video games like this, you're not
really there for the story anyways,right, Yeah, I mean unless like
stuff like The Last of Us,you know, or like Red Dead,
Red Dead two and stuff like that. But with the game like this,
especially like an open world superhero gamelike this, I feel like so much

(01:49:57):
of it is like story obviously matters, but so much of it is like
the experience you have in the missionsand everything like that for sure for sure.
All right, man, anything elsefrom you, No, I think
that's it. Man. I thinkwe hit all the you know, we
covered a lot. We covered quitea bit, probably like every nook and
cranny of the game. Honestly,here I am at two thirty am with
a Moscow mule in my hand,just like deep in the conversation with Spider

(01:50:19):
Man. Yeah. Yeah, man, Well, dude, thank you.
I always appreciate you coming onto theshow to talk about these things. I
want to plug your socials real quickbefore we go. Yeah. Absolutely,
of course, man, I lovecoming on to talk about it. And
I feel like every time we getto get to chat and like we're like
we're gonna do like an hour pod, and then we always end up running

(01:50:41):
like like a two hour pod,you know, like we just get get
lost in the conversation. But yeah, for sure. You can find the
dive in movie cast our podcast onSpotify, Apple podcast, wherever you listen
to your podcasts. You find uson Instagram at the dive In Movie Cast.
We're on TikTok at the dive inMovie Cast, and my individual Instagram
is at Hayden Kutris in the samename on my letterbox cool Man. Definitely

(01:51:04):
check out Hayden and dive in MovieCast. Look forward to having you back
Man and folks, uh, thanksfor tuning in and listening if you made
it this far episode one. Idon't know what we're gonna talk about,
honestly, but I want to getto talking about something, Heyden. Maybe
you can come back and we'll dolike a I don't know, maybe another
most anticipated pod with with some folksor or a you know, maybe a

(01:51:28):
top top something of the year,or we can talk talk about more how
the MCU is either back or ifit's over, you say about it,
you know, we can have that. And again I'd still I'd still have
stuff coming to mind. No,for real, it's it's totally true.
All right, folks, thanks forlistening, and we will catch you guys
next time. So it beterver

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