Live-action Star Wars Shows Ranked, MCU Television Reset, and ‘Invincible’ Season 2 Trailer Thoughts

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Episode Transcript

(00:20):
Hello, folks, and welcome tothe Kiber Culture Episode one with myself Joe
and joining me today very special guestis none other than Michael O'Rear of the
Star Wars podcast. Welcome to theshow man. It's I feel like there's
been a long time coming. Howyou doing. Yeah, listen, you
know, I love having you onmy podcast and chatting with you, but

(00:40):
it feels even better to be inKyber Culture now. So super excited to
do this. And yeah, dude, man, thanks for the time.
I know it's like tricky with thetime difference and everything, but it's lovely
to have another another Star Wars andMCU enthusiast on the show. Absolutely,
and I have a lot of opinions, so I'm excited to dive into it.
Absolutely absolutely, but yeah, man, happy to have you today.

(01:04):
We're gonna chat a number of things, being you know, Michael O'Rear representing
the Star Wars pod. We're gonnachat a little bit of Star Wars.
We're also gonna chat like a littlenerd news and a bit of the Boys
and the Boys spin off jen V. So be sure to check us on
our shoals on our socials, Twitter, Instagram, follow, our new TikTok
page at Kybric Culture and be sureto follow the stark Wars Pod. But

(01:29):
before we get started, Michael,I want to give you the floor real
quick here because you know we've beenchatting for some time. Been a big
fan of your show, big listener, I personally do know what it's been
about since we've been in contact forlike, I feel like it's been a
couple of years now at least.But for our listeners, please tell us
a little bit about yourself and theStar Wars Pod. Yeah. Well,

(01:49):
my name is Michael O'Rear. Iam twenty nine years old. I'm from
Nashville, Tennessee. I have threekids. And then aside from that,
like you could probably assume everything else. You know, I'm a massive nerd.
I feel like I do feel verymuch at home here with Kuyperculture because
you know, I like video games, I like movies, I like TV
shows, I like comic books.It's kind of what I center my life
around. And I like to talkabout that stuff on our podcast as well,

(02:13):
Star Wars Podcast. And you know, we really got started. I
guess it was like the boom ofDisney. Plus, you know, I
don't know if it was D twentythree or something, but there was there
was one of these events when theystarted to announce all the Marvel shows coming
and it was like WandaVision all thisstuff. I was like, there's no
better time to start a podcasts becausethere's going to be endless amounts of content
for the rest of our lives.It seemed like, So that's when we

(02:35):
did. I guess it was liketwo and a half. I guess coming
up on three years now, geez, but uh yeah, and I haven't
looked back since. And again justtalking all that Disney plus stuff. So
whether the good, bad, andthe ugly, I'll say that sure,
sure, no. I really likedthat you said, like, you know,
talking about all the shows that wereannounced and how it's a good time
to start podcast But there are timeswhere I feel like, oh, I

(02:57):
wish I started like podcasting when likewhen we were in the peak of like
phases phases two and three of theMCU, you know, like how fun
would have like an Infinity War andan Endgame podcast have been like right like
after like just seeing it opening weekendand just hopping on with like with your
boys and just talking about it.That that would have been a blast.
I mean I could easily do athree hour podcast on those movies now,

(03:21):
so like at the time, yeah, I would have been like, We're
gonna do like four different podcast serieson this, like it's gonna be a
whole thing. Yeah. So andthat and that's the other thing, especially
looking back three years and seeing wherewe're sitting look at the future of the
MCU, it was very bright.It was like, things look great,
this is gonna be awesome. We'recoming out of endgame. This is like
the greatest thing ever and we canonly go up right. There's been issues

(03:45):
along the way, but yeah,it is what it is. You know,
we'll talk we'll talk about Marvel TVin a little while here, but
I just want to say to youman, like I always see you out
here putting in a lot of workand you're doing awesome things with the podcast
community. Me personally, I wasreally bummed when you invited me on trivia.
Was it an MCU trivia that youhosted? We do like, uh,

(04:09):
it's Star Wars and MCU trivia,Yeah, the Star Wars NMCU trivia.
I think you invited me for theMarvel one. But I was bummed
I couldn't make it. And uh, but just the fact that you're you're
out here doing that stuff. Ithink that's really cool. And uh,
I hope I'll be able to joinin the future. Yeah, uh,
you know, we still plan ondoing a lot of trivia. Well,
we try to do it once ayear, try to get a bunch of

(04:30):
podcasters together and uh, you know, put their wits together and see who
has what it takes. But yeah, it's always yeah, I mean,
uh, it's been such a greatcommunity of podcasters that I found, and
it's it's here's the other thing thatI didn't expect from you know, people
like you and you know, Ican name so many other people. It's
a very like supportive community of podcasters, right, it's not competitive. You

(04:54):
know, a lot of us arelike in the same field trying to do
the same thing, but like Iknow people that would do anything to help
my podcast and vice versa. Soyeah, it's uh, it's a it's
a great, great place to bein the podcasting nerd community for sure.
We we talked about, uh wasit u DM me the other day,
Like, what's your theory on whobought like Avengers Tower? You know,

(05:16):
like that wasn't even just for podcasts, Just like, dude, what what
do you think about this? Likewe just you know, just talking about
these like little things with people.Is it is so fun? For sure?
Yeah? Man, hopefully i'd bedown because I listened to the the
MCU Trivia podcast and sometimes like whenyou split out a question, I was
like, I know the answer,I know the answer. I could have

(05:39):
nailed this, and we actually gotthem. We got flack, like in
the moment with some of those likethese are too hard, ques like these
questions are hard. I'm like,well, I mean, uh, it's
a real test of skill here,you know, like we're not we're not
doing like you know, bar trivia. This is like hardcore MCU trivia.
You better know. Yeah, yeah, no, it's Oh man, I

(06:00):
can't wait. You got you gottalet me know. I'll try to make
time next time. Yeah, wellawesome man. Before we move on Stark
Wars, where can we find youguys? Yeah, you can find us
on all podcasting platforms including YouTube,Twitch, you know, Facebook, We're
everywhere. We try to be onevery platform anything you can think of,
we're probably there. So yeah,just look up Star Wars podcasts, and

(06:23):
I always like to tell people,you know, I know that you've probably
got a lot of podcasts in yourfeed. You got a lot to catch
up with kyber culture, you know, I get that. So maybe you're
not looking to add another podcast,but I do like to specially recommend just
follow us on Instagram. Go toat Star Wars pod on Instagram. That's
kind of our hub. That's kindof like like you said, we try
to reach out to people and askquestions, and you know, we'll answer

(06:45):
your questions. We really like toengage with people, so Instagram is definitely
the place to do that, andthen maybe along the way you can become
a podcast listener. But I tellpeople to start with the Instagram. I
know it's overwhelming for sure. Forsure, definitely follow them on Instagram.
Right, cool, Before we moveon to some other things, let's just
take a quick break for some ads. All right, and we're back.

(07:06):
So Aaron and I just finished ourchat on Ahsoka, and I feel like
I'd be remiss if if I broughtyou on and we didn't talk a little
Star Wars. So now the show'sended, they have any quick thoughts on
the series, maybe a quick rating, and what maybe what were some of

(07:27):
your expectations going in, Like hadyou seen the Clone Wars, had you
seen Rebels, read any books?Like how'd you feel about it? Yeah,
you know, coming in first andforemost, big Clone Wars fan,
big Rebels fan, and and it'salso just so weird to think back,
like the early days of Clone Warswhen we were introduced to Ahsoka and being
like, oh, who's this character? You know, kind of right kon
some of the stuff in the prequels, how are they going? Like for

(07:49):
a long time, my theory was, oh, well, okay, they're
gonna kill Ahsoka by the end ofClone Wars because obviously she's not in Revenge
of the Sith, and then sheends up they find out loophole to get
her out of that, and thenyou know, and then she's in Rebels
and now she has her own TVshow. Like so in a way,
you know, I was actually,I guess when the Star Wars Clone Wars
movie came out, I was probablyyounger than Ahsoka was when as she was

(08:11):
in that movie. So uh,in a way, I feel like I
grew up with Ahsoka a little bit, and I really really loved this character
and just so happy to see itall come into live action and just seeing
you know, not just Ahsoka butSabim and just just diving back into this
world and these characters was so importantto me in a lot of ways.
And I do I've seen some ofthe criticisms, especially like in the first

(08:33):
couple of episodes, where people werelike, yeah, I'm not invested because
I didn't watch Rebels, but like, you know, that's your fault.
I really enjoyed it because I likedRebels, and so you know, there
might be some bias there. Idid. After the finale, I went
and got I don't know if youcan see this, I got in Ahsoka
no way. So after the finale, yeah, yeah, I mean I

(08:56):
was gonna I had planned it forlike a few weeks ahead, but uh
yeah, it was right up.Yeah, that's sick, dude. Wow,
big a Soca fan, and Ilove the show Man, And you
know, I guess if there's anycomplaints, my complaints are there wasn't enough
of it. You know, wedidn't get enough resolution, we didn't get
you know, I just wanted more, and I think that was my biggest
issue with the show. And Ithink I would rather walk away from a

(09:18):
TV show saying, man, Iwish I had more of this rather than
Okay, that's enough. Yeah know, I definitely wish we got more,
Like if they could just do becauseand or was like, what twelve episodes?
If we could have gone like tenor twelve episodes of AHSOCA, that'd
be that'd be incredible. But damn, man, that tattoo is sick.
Actually here's a funny story. Itold this on my podcast. But uh,

(09:39):
I love the tattoo. You know, I think it, like objectively,
I think it's a cool tattoo.Right, So I was really excited
about it. So what I didis I took to Reddit and I shared
it on the Star Wars Reddit.I was like, guys, check out
this awesome new tattoo I got.And boy, I've never been roasted harder
in my life. People hated it. Yeah, they hated it. They
accused me of like liking teenage andyeah, all kinds of like horrid stuff.

(10:03):
But it didn't break my love forthis tattoo, that's for sure.
Oh my gosh, yeah, Iguess that's the internet. Fuck. I'm
sorry, man, be careful outthere, guys, especially on Reddit.
Geez and Star Wars fans are crazy. No, Star Wars fans can be
a little much. It's true.It's true. Okay, so let's see
here. So with ah Soka here, that brings us to five live action

(10:28):
Star Wars shows, if you canbelieve it. Three seasons of Mandalorian,
we got ob One, Boba Fett, and and Or. I haven't given
my ranking of this yet, butI just want to know where you stand,
Like, if you're to rank theseshows, where do you stand right
now? It's tough because I thinkI would rather do tears, because I
would say that there are three thatI'm like, really tough, Like there's

(10:50):
one definitely number one, and there'sone that definitely lasts, and then the
other thing. It's like, youknow, you could really make a case.
And I think the big issue isthere's been more Mando than there has
ob One in Ahsoka, so likeI do, and while there are highs
and lows of Mandor, like thosehighs are really high, so it's just
hard to like compare to like,you know, I loved Kenobi and I
loved Ahsoka, but it's just it'skind of different for me. So if

(11:13):
you don't mind, I'm gonna dothis in Tears. I'm gonna do Tears
one, two and three. Soand Or's number one for me. I
loved it. It's almost unfair theyhad more time to tell a story,
but it was also executed so well, the acting, the writing, the
different arcs. And that's the otherthing that I felt like and or really
captured from even you know, theanimated shows, where like you would kind
of tell these stories in like threedifferent arcs, and we had, like,

(11:35):
you know, the the heist arcand the prison arc, and it
was just really cool how they formattedthat show and like how it constantly evolved
and changed and kept you interested.And also it was a darker look at
Star Wars. You know, Mandaloriancould sometimes feel like you know, I
guess Martin Scorsese called the MCU liketheme parks, the Mandalorians sometimes can feel

(11:58):
like a theme park. You know, it's like, oh, here's this
thing, like, here's this cameo. Here's so while I do love that
stuff, it was a nice changeof pace to get that nand Or.
So that's in my number one tier, number two tier. These are these
are three shows that I love alot. So again, I struggle very
hard to rank them, but it'sa Soca Mandalorian and Kenoby. I think
I like Kenobi more than a lotof people. You know, I actually

(12:22):
love Young Lea, Like I thoughtthat role was really awesome. I thought
it was a great addition to thestory. And not to mention the rematch
of the century between Vader and Kenobi. I love the Mandalorian because it accomplished
just so much as far as likeconnecting things from again the animated shows,
but also the original trilogy with Luke, and you know, there are all
these high moments in that show.I do kind of get some of the

(12:43):
complaints on season three, which iskind of why I struggle a little bit
more why I love season two onethree, you know, it does drag
it for a little bit, andthen Ahsoka. You know, again,
I'm incredibly biased. This is myfavorite character in Star Wars. So yeah,
those three for sure. And unfortunatelyin fifth place is book A Boba
fet And also I don't want tocome across as a hater and just be

(13:05):
like, oh, book A Boa. That sucks because there's a lot of
stuff in that show I loved.I love saying Black Car Santon, I
love the Twins, the Hut Twins. That was cool, Like there's a
lot I like the Mayor. TheMayor was like there was a lot of
like interesting characters and a lot ofinteresting things going on. Boba fet writing
a rank corps like this stuff iskind of awesome still, So I don't
want to say like I'm hating onit. It just didn't It didn't hit

(13:26):
the same as maybe I wanted itto. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
no, I hear you for sure. No, that that's a good uh,
that's a good ranking, you know, I think for me, like
I gotta agree with you one hundred, Like I think and Or is definitely
on its own level. And justto repeat like writing acting the way it's
just the way it's made and theway it's executed, Like it's just incredible.

(13:46):
Like I've never like been so investedin hating the Empire so much,
you know at all. Yeah no, And just the three monologues, well
I guess technically there's four, butjust the monologues from like you know,
Looy, Luthan and Marva at theend just all incredible, Like Marva's always

(14:07):
like it, like I tear upevery time, like I can watch it,
like over and over again. I'mjust like, oh so good,
but yeah, that that would thatwould be it for me and or and
then I'm gonna kind of split thisup for me. But uh, I'm
not doing tears. I'm just doingrankings. But yeah, I got at
number two. All I got Mandoseason one and two. I think some
of the best stuff is in Mandoseason one. Season one has I think

(14:31):
my favorite episode in there, thegun Slinger episode. I'm a big fan
of that one. And then like, I like what you said about like
the theme park rides. That's whatthe like season two of Mando felt to
me. And I'm not knocking itsaying like it's a theme park ride,
but there were like, you know, Luke Skywalker, biggest cameo, like
biggest like surprise ever, you knowwhat I mean. And the number two

(14:54):
slot have Mando season one and two. Number three, I do have ah
Sosca. I mean, episode fiveis a masterpiece. Hayden Christiansen just kills
it every time he's on screen.And this is like Hayden Christensen being in
that episode is honestly something that Iexpected to happen in Kenoby, even though

(15:15):
there was like I forget which episodeit was, but it toggles back between
like like Attack of the Clones erain like present day, and I thought
that was really well done in Kenobibecause like in the past, like they're
just trying to show you how Kenobiunderstands like Vader's tactics and how Knobi understands
that just from them dueling, butit also like translates to him like just

(15:39):
fighting it with with a fleet orwhatever. You know. Can I get
you off real quick? Because Iactually I appreciate about Kenoby more than I
did Ahsoka. I thought that theflashbacks and Kenobi were more relevant to the
main story than they were in Ahsoka. While Ahsoka kind of felt like,
Okay, let's cast up on thecasual audience that doesn't necessarily understand this connection,
Kenobi relied on the fact that wealready knew those characters, and it

(16:00):
was able to focus on tying thatback into the main story as well.
So, uh, you know,I just wanted to add that, you
know, Uh, while I dolove Ahsoka, there's still a lot of
things I really love about Kenobi.Yeah no, no, that's a good
point. That's a good point.So yeah, so Ahsoka at number three,
and then next I do have Kenobifor for that reason, I'm not
gonna say anything bad about it,but Kenobi I they're just more from the

(16:22):
previous like three shows that I mentionedthat that I enjoyed more. And then
last I have Boba Fet. Like, you know, some of some of
the best Star Wars stuff is inBoba Fet and whether like even even though
Boba Fet wasn't in those episodes,you know, it's it's still awesome stuff,
probably some of the best Star Warsstuff ever. My cos Tommy he

(16:44):
calls that show the Book of StarWars. It's just like a bunch of
Star Wars stuff going on. It'sjust peak Star Wars stuff that's in Boba
Fett. And that's the thing abouteach one of these episodes, like Mandalorian
through Boba Fet. Each each oneof those has like just one that's just
like some of the best Star Warsyou've ever seen. And then and or
is just like oh well, it'sall around, just like there's no cameos

(17:07):
or no crazy cameos or anything thatunless you want to count like mon Mathma
or something, I don't know,like that's that's just like just extremely well
made stuff. It's it's like ona tier of its own, like like
you had mentioned. But yeah,that's the thing with mon Mathma is like
I don't think people really pictured itas a cameo because it's not something people
were like asking for necessarily, LikeI don't know that we needed like you
know, this whole mon Mathma arc. But they did it, and they

(17:30):
did it so well, and that'swhat's so great about it. And I
think that's I think that's the thingthat we could focus on Star Wars.
It's like, maybe it's not alwayswhat we're asking for, but give us
something that you know you can executewell. And that's what they did with
and Or. And what I reallyappreciate about that show, like write something
compelling and like give us like areason to a reason to care, a
reason to root for these characters issomething that I'll be honest with you,

(17:53):
like and Or, Like after're watchingRogue one, which you know I loved,
and they announced like an door spinoff. I like, it's not
like I was like, like,why are you guys making this? But
I was like when they announced Ithink had D twenty three or it was
one of those events when they saidand or I was like, Okay,
yeah, this is for sure atthe bottom of the list, you know,

(18:14):
but I was like, I'm stillgonna watch it just because I'm a
fan. And then after watching,like, holy shit, that's some of
the best Star Wars stuff I've everseen. Yep, and not just like
you know, not just like asStar Wars, but I thought it was
one of the better shows that cameout that year. You know, this
is off topic, but to compareit to the MCU, you know,
a lot of people are kind oftalking about the show Echo the same way

(18:37):
they talked about and Or, likewhy do we need this character of all
people? But I'm super excited forEcho for that reason that like, Okay,
they clearly you know, it's notnecessarily pandering to the fans, but
they clearly have a story to tellhere, and I'm excited to see what
that is. I I hope it'sgood too, like of all the like
the Future Marvel stuff, Like I'ma little I'm a little out on it

(18:59):
at the moment, but I stilllike to tune in because you know,
I'm a fan. I hope itall does well. If you look at
these like these box Office numbers forthe Marvels. It's like, yeah,
they're not looking great, but Imean, I'm gonna go see it anyway,
for sure, I'll be there thirdright, exactly exactly. Yeah,
I know that's a great segue.But speaking of Marvel stuff, there was

(19:22):
some more news besides the box officenumbers that Marvel TV is doing a little
little revamp. Like the big thingthat came out of this article is that
they they had shot some some Daredevilstuff. They're like they were saying that
it was a legal, procedural drama. And the biggest issue that I guess

(19:44):
Figy wasn't really happy with was thatDaredevil wasn't or Matt Murdock. I wasn't
gonna suit up as Daredevil until likethe fourth episode. And sometimes, like
some of the things I saw peoplesaying were that it seemed that people were
bored on set of filming this,and I was like, that sounds that
sounds tough, But pretty much whathappened. They're they're completely rebooting the show.

(20:06):
They they fired all, like allthe writers, And I just want
to say real quick, this isa show that, like I I wish
that we could have seen not becauselike like just because people worked on this,
you know, and now they're nowthey're just like, like, losing
your job is never is never cool. Yeah, So they're completely rebooting the
show. They're starting over. Theyare keeping some scenes that they shot,
which you know, I don't thinkthat's like a crazy thing to say,

(20:30):
Like I think, of course theyhave to keep some of the stuff.
Like I'm sure some of the stuffthat they film filmed worked or will work
for whatever they want to do next. But it seems like they're doing a
complete overhaul of all their shows.It seems that they're gonna step away from
their quote unquote limited event series.I'm just like, okay, great,
Like if there's something that I've wantedfrom all of their all of their TV

(20:53):
shows, it's just like longer seasons, like stop making these shows that feel
like just really poorly paced movies.Is kind of what I feel from most
of the Marvel TV shows. Andthere's some like I think out of each
show, there's at least like oneor two episodes that feel solid and that

(21:14):
feel like real compelling. But Imean, like I see, like I
saw some of the discourse online andfolks are saying that like, oh,
the mcu is over, like Daredevil'sfucked like all this stuff. But I
don't think that's the case at all. I'm really looking forward to seeing what
they do next. Like I'm gladthat they're taking a step back. Like
the only bad thing that's that's gonnacome from this is that, like,
oh, some of the shows thatthat they were saying we're supposed to come

(21:37):
out are probably just gonna get delayed. And I'm just like, I love
a good delay, you know,especially I love a good delay, especially
when they're trying to get things right, just that they can do do stuff,
do stuff well, you know,And I'm just like, yeah,
no, that's that's awesome. Andnot only that, I think, like
you know, they're they're gonna bringon actual showrunners. They're gonna make them
longer, give them multiple seasons.It seems like with the w like with

(22:02):
the with the writers strike being over, it kind of seems like this is
like the new ratified contract at work. So that's also just really great news
for this. But what do youhave any you have any takes, like
how do you feel when you firstsaw this news? Well, first and
forust, I'm gonna start with likejust imagine, like, you know,
going through the w g A strikeand and just standing with your people and

(22:23):
and not giving in, and andjust and doing everything you can to fight
for what you deserve. And thenif you finally get like at least some
piece of that, and you finallyfeel that success, and then you're gonna
go work on this great m cU TV show that everyone's so excited for,
and then you're fired, Like,uh, that is horrible. I

(22:44):
hate to hear that. With thatbeing said, I'm with you. I
love a good delay as well.Delay things, especially MCU. Just take
your time, please, Like Ifeel like for the longest time, especially
when there was like there was notmore than like a week where we didn't
have an m c show for likea year and a half, and that's
ridiculous, Like, we don't needthat much content. You need to take
a step back. You need tolook at what you're doing. Clearly,

(23:07):
the NCU fans are unhappy, SoI really appreciate the fact that they are
considering things. They're probably gonna comeback and it's gonna suck still, but
at least they're thinking about it alittle bit more. You know, they're
taking time and they're realizing, oh, maybe this thing doesn't work and we
like really need to do something aboutit. So I do you know,
I kind of made a joke aboutthe writers, But at the end of
the day, if you want yourfranchise to succeed, this is this type

(23:30):
of stuff that needs to happen.We need to start taking more seriously.
We need to have showrunners, weneed to have quality writers, we need
to have people that aren't crunched fortime. That's a big thing with the
VFX stuff, and it's just reallyimportant for us to take our time,
not just for the people working onit, but for the fans. Right,
this is exactly what we need.And I'm really excited to hear about
that, honestly. So, yeah, guys, just take a step back.

(23:53):
Don't come out with a movie fora year. It's okay, Like,
especially if you come back with somethingreally cool, we'll be invested.
Like yeah, so this is goodnews for me. No, honestly,
for for a while. If youI'm sure you saw this, but everything
that came out in Phase four hadalready like outpaced and like granted, there's

(24:14):
like a couple of things that areat play here, like like Phases one
through three, they were only moviesand you didn't have Disney Plus. But
then Phase four you had Disney Plusand you had movies, so of course,
like you could you have like moreopportunity there to pump out more content.
But just the fact that Phase fouralone out paces like the hours of
content that were in phases one throughthree, and that's like over ten years,

(24:37):
you know, like pumping out morecontent in one phase over the course
of like two to three years,It's just like that's that's nuts. Yeah,
it's ridiculous, Like I don't know, and it just seems like a
total like, you know, thepast couple of years have just been a
total misunderstanding of what it's like totell a story in general, right,
like or what people actually want,Like oversaturation has never worked in almost any

(25:00):
form, So I just it blowsmy mind that we ever got to this
point where like, and it's alsolike if you compare like the Disney Plus
TV show format to basically any otherstreaming service or network show, like,
nobody's doing it like this, nobody'sdoing six episode series, nobody's like coming
out with a new show every singlemonth, and it's just like it's almost

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like a complete misunderstanding of the entireindustry that like they really need to do
something. Give us, give usthe MCUs and or right, give us
something serious, give us something long, Give us something we have time to
invest in and we care about.Yeah, I know I'm preaching to the
choir here, but this stuff it'sangered me because I'm a big MCU fan
and it seems like they really fumbleda lot of the way these past couple

(25:44):
of years. So no, andyou know, with this, uh,
with this overhaul the TV kind ofseems like they've they've listened to like some
of the fans that do feel unhappy, but it also seemed like like internally
they kind of felt the same wayas well. So I'm glad that they're
they're taking a step back. Ithink they needn't take a step back on
TV, and they need to takea step back on movies as well.

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There's this new book out called TheReign of the MCU. Have you heard
about this? I have not.Actually it's really good. It's it's by
another podcaster that I listened to.Her name is Joanna Robinson. But they
pull a couple of quotes from thereis and they're saying pretty much that Kevin
Figy is working towards like a softreboot of the MCU with Secret Wars.

(26:27):
So what I'm hoping they do,which I don't think is really gonna happen,
is that I definitely think they're gonnadestroy like the Fox first, like
there's gonna be an incursion and they'regonna destroy the Fox Verse. And then
what I also feel like they theyshould have done is destroy our current MCU
timeline and just restart with like withX Men and the Fantastic Four, with

(26:48):
like a brand new timeline like recasts, like everybody that that would be like
that would be bold, like thatthat would have been nuts. I will
say, like there is I do, like there's will optimism for me,
right, Like I didn't love theMoonnight TV show, I didn't love Miss
Marvel, but I do like thosecharacters and like I have been excited for
the day that we get to seethem interweave and says some of these other

(27:11):
main storylines in the MCU. Solike, I don't know that, like
I really am like rooting for areboot. It's just a lot of like
the quality management of some of thisstuff is a is a big factor for
me, and also, like youknow, considering your time a little bit
and giving yourself, giving your TVshows more room to breathe. I don't
know, I could. I couldgo on and on about this all day.
Sure, sure, yeah, no, I think we can. We

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can talk about a lot about Marveland what they've been doing for the past
couple of years. But yeah,that could be a whole nother other podcast
itself. But that's that's the MarvelTV News. Hope they figure it out
soon. But Okay, next thingwe're gonna talk about here this weekend is
actually New York Comic Con. Alot of stuff has been coming out of
there. But my personal favorite thingthat actually dropped today November fourteenth or not

(28:00):
November fourteenth, October fourteenth, theInvincible trailer Invincible season two. So how
do you feel about Invincible? Like, what like after the first season,
were you clamoring for more Invincible content? Absolutely? What's it been now?
Like over two years? I thinktwo and a half is a is a
better number to years, but yeah, it's been a really long time.
I think they actually delayed this oneagain. We love a good delay,

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and I'm sure it's going to deliver, you know, like I have a
lot of faith and you know,not only just you know, Invincible,
but a lot of the things thatAmazon Prime does with some of their original
content. You know, I thinkDisney Plus could take a big note from
it. But yeah, you know, I'm super excited for this. I'm
excited to hop back in the world. I actually really I need to rewatch
season one at this point. Youknow, I have a horrible memory for

(28:44):
a lot of this stuff. SoI just love more adult superhero content,
right, Like something darker, grittier, exploring, like deeper themes. You
know, we get a lot ofthat with the Boys, but also like
Invincible gives like it scratches a differentitch for me, you know, like
I feel like a kid watching thatshow, but it's also like catering to
me as an adult. So yeah, no, you know, seeing that

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trailer, I'm stuked. Yeah,I know the inn I think the Invincible
show because I grew up and I'msure you did. Two like watching like
Batman the animated series, or likeeven like the animated Justice League, just
so a lot of those like animatedsuperhero shows. It feels like that.
But just like it's a show thatfeels like it it grew up with those

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with that demographic. You know,it's like it's for it's for millennials.
I guess you would say just thefact that it's an animated superhero show and
they made it rated R is isso cool. And that's like my favorite
genre of thing is like adult youknow, not adult animation as in like
Family Guy and all that. Butyou know, like I don't if you're
familiar with like Primal, this isa perfect example. Oh yeah, Jing

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Tartikowsky, who did Samurai Jack,Powerpuff Girls, Dexter's Labage. You know
TV shows that I grew up with. He also grew up with his fan
base, and now he's making moreshows catered towards adults like Primal. So
I love when these TV shows cangrow up with us. And that's a
great comparison. I actually wasn't abig like DC animated kid, but uh,

(30:11):
you know, it's still it scratchesthat same It's for me for sure.
Have you uh, have you watchedJenny tart Tartikkovski. Have you watched
his Clone Wars. It's one ofmy favorite Star Wars properties. Yeah,
no, it's so oh man,his Clone Wars is nuts. But yeah,
no, this trailer definitely some thingsthat that popped out to me.

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It seems like they're gonna explore themultiverse with this, which I believe.
I've never read the Invincible comics.I don't know if you have, but
they they definitely explore like I think, like different iterations of Invincible, like
different iterations of Mark Grayson. Butthe guy I think is what is it
Angstrom Levy or something like that.It's it's voiced by Sterling K. Brown.
He seems like he has access tothe multiverse, and he seems like

(30:56):
he's maybe gonna be like one ofthe main antagonists of this no omni man
in this trailer though, Yeah,that's be interesting. And the stinger of
the trailer it seems like Invincible isgonna try and take over the Earth.
But I think it's it's one ortwo things. It's that's gonna be like
it like a multiversal Earth, orthat's like a multiversal Mark Rayson or I

(31:18):
think early in the trailer there's aguy that that can shape shift or something,
and the one that's like the Markthat's in the end that's like telling
Earth to like submit or whatever.That's just him like trying to screw Invincible
over or something. But but yeah, I know, I'm I'm totally back.
I'm fucking in on Invincible season two. I will say, if there's

(31:41):
any nervousness for me, I'm alittle nervous. I'm always like this.
Whenever they introduced the multiverse into anything, I just it freaks me out because
there's a lot of things. NumberOne, there's like no rules to the
multiverse, right, Like anything canhappen. You know, any character can
die and they can come back.There's just like no like repercussions. So
and I feel like the MCU hassquandered this a lot and how they've handled

(32:06):
some of the multiverse stuff. Solike, I get nervous whenever this stuff
comes up. With that being said, there is a franchise that I love
that has tackled it really well,which is the Spider Verse movies. I
think, oh, yeah, youknow, everything everywhere, all at once
is great. But I do stillfeel like Spider Verse has tackled the multiverse
better than any property ever has,So I hope they can take some notes

(32:29):
from that, especially you know,coming from animation, it seems like a
I feel like you just kind ofwant to go easy with some of the
stuff and make sure that you haveset rules for your multiverse and make it
make sense to us and don't changethings from property to property. Now I'm
just like targeting the MCU on thatcomment. But yeah, I just you
know, a little nervousness there.But you know, if there's any show

(32:52):
that I trusted with, I guessit's Invincible. You know, I don't
think they would lead us astray withthat. I think that I definitely agree
with you, like whenever the multiversesinvolved with with anything, just because it's
so it's so trendy right now,you know, I feel like for the
most part, there are a fewprojects that get it right, the ones
that you just said. Men,I know, with rules, I think
one of the simple things that youcan do is just like establish those rules

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and have consequences for those rules.If those rules are broken, you know,
you can't just do whatever the fuckAnd uh, yeah, no,
it's I'm there with you with themultiverse for sure. But yeah, no,
I'm super I'm super excited for this, you know, like Invincible,
definitely, I think it was myfavorite show that came out that year,
So you know, I expect nothingless from season two. I'm fucking ready.

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But Okay, that's it for news. Before we get into The Boys
and gen V. Let's take onemore quick break for some ads. All
right, and we're back. Let'stalk about we just finished talking Invincible.
Let's talk about some more superhero AmazonPrime stuff. They're really doing it right
over there, I gotta say.But the Boys, there's the the spin

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off gen V which which is currentlyairing. Before we talk about that,
I want to get your like quickthoughts on The Boys or three seasons of
The Boys. How have you feltabout the about the show so far?
Yeah, you know, I'll probablybe echoing a lot of my thoughts about
from Invincible as well. But youknow, just having like this like more
adult skewing uh superhero show is awesomeand also like you know, I feel

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like it. You know, asthe show has gone on, it's kind
of leaned into like some more likesocial topics as well, which I really
appreciate. You know, just kindof there's a lot of commentary on like
the world at large, not onlyfrom like you know, social economic issues,
but also like the state of streamingand big corporations and you know,
superhero movies even, you know,they get into all this stuff. So

(34:45):
I feel like there's a show that'sable to tackle a lot of different,
very heavy stuff and it makes methink, you know, it makes me
think a lot more than you know, the Marvels is going to. I
can already say that with confidence.You know. It's it's something that it
draws more out of you, itrequires more thinking, it's deeper, it's

(35:05):
more graphic. You know. Ilove how gory that show can get.
And you know genv is following rightat his footstuff with some of that stuff,
So I'm all about it. Ohyeah, I think something that's uh
each season The Boys and especially episodeone and gen B. Like the thing
that those have in common is thatlike the most outlandist, most violent,
gory shit happens within like the openingten or fifteen minutes, and I'm like,

(35:29):
Jesus Christ, like this is fuckingnuts. But no, I really
like what you said about The Boys. I always tell people like, if
you don't like superhero content, thenyou'll like, like, this is the
superhero content for you. But atthe same time, it's also like if
you really like superhero content and sometimesyou know, if you want to,
like you're a fan, but youcan also like recognize the flaws and you'll

(35:49):
just think The Boys is like hilariousbecause it pokes fun at those those flaws
and they do it in like suchan entertaining way. And I love that.
Like what if, like what ifthere were superheroes in our real world?
I definitely feel like it would belike this, Like they wo'd be
getting contract deals, you know,they they'd be doing like they'd be corporate
hacks. Like that's that's what TheBoys is. You know. It's like

(36:13):
it's very anti big corporation, andI just think it's really funny for that.
And they absolutely like it's definitely liketaking jobs at Disney and Disney only
you know. It's like they dothe Vaught Cinematic Universe and like I always
remember there's this quote that like SethRogan said, He's like, oh,
I've always wanted to be part ofthe VCU, you know, and I'm
like, okay, clearly MCU,you know, and you know, I

(36:37):
don't know, like they always dolike vat Plus, like you mentioned,
they make fun of the streaming servicesand the way that they handle like like
big controversial topics is like like,oh, we got to reach out to
like crisis management, Like how dowe handle this? You know? It's
like like and you know that theydo stuff like that whenever it's like like
a big corporation's talent is acting outof line. It's like, how do

(37:00):
we do this? Like oh,just make this story up and like release
to the public like it's a prnightmare. And that that's why I think
it's so funny. And it's likeI've never seen like any other superhero content
do stuff like this, and that'sthat's what makes at least for me,
that's what makes The Boys so refreshing. Banner the Boys is awesome. I'm
like in a in a rewatch ofit right now. I think I'm pretty

(37:22):
much done. But uh, likeI was just watching season three, Like
Jensen Ackles as Soldier Boy is sois so funny, Like he he fits
the bill so well. There's justthat one clip that every time I watch
it it makes me laugh. ButHue just says like, hey, you
might want to lay off the weed, huh. And then he's like you
might want to goggle my ball sack. I'm like like he's Solver Boy just

(37:47):
says the most outlandish ship like allthe time, and I'm just like,
oh man, that is so fuckingfunny. But yeah, so The Boys
is just just amazing stuff. Uhyou know, I will say ant,
I feel like, uh, youknow, gen V actually might be leaning
into this a little bit more,but it's almost it's gotten more vulgar.

(38:07):
And maybe I'm just not remembering.Maybe you're you could speak on this a
little bit more. As somebody's likerewatching it, it seems to have gotten
more vulgar. Like I feel likeevery episode has to have like an exploding
penis at least like once, there'sa lot of like it really tests like
your your mental stamina for some ofthis stuff. And uh again like it's

(38:28):
unlike anything else. So did youknow what the the thing about, like
speaking of exploding penises, just thefact that they like I think it's the
premiere of season three where there's thatdude and this is at this point in
the pot it's gonna get very ratedR and very graphic. But in uh,
in season three, episode one,there's that dude. I think his

(38:49):
superhero name is Termite, and uh, like he shrinks down, he's hooking
up with this dude, and likehe crawls into like the guy's dick.
The but that that dick. It'slike they made that in real life,
like they they created it. It'sit's all like it's practical effects. Like

(39:12):
wow, the commitment. And Ididn't see him behind the scenes stuff,
but I wonder some of the stuffin gen V. You know, with
you there was a particular same withCricket. I'm wondering how practical that was
because that was that it was.It was you know that like when she's
like when she's hooking up with thatguy and then she like hugging like his
his dick or whatever, Like she'sshrunk down and like was hugging his dick.

(39:36):
No, that's practical, and uhthat like I think, uh,
I think you can find that likethe picture on the gen V Twitter account.
But I know the the the commitmentto practical dicks is bar None is
good enough. No one else doesthis, but no, the Boys is,

(39:58):
man, it's so much fun.I will say this, Like I'd
say probably one of the main differencesbetween the Boys and gen V is that
The Boys does all that the satire, the anti corporation stuff they do all
that. I don't think that likeGENV really does that. Maybe they're trying
to like expose like like corrupt schoolsystems or whatever, but I don't think

(40:19):
there's as much. It's definitely likeit definitely feels like it leans more into
drama than it does into comedy.But I think that that works for the
show. But yeah, so mightas well start talking about gen V.
There's five episodes right now. Bothof us have seen episodes one through four.
I've seen episode five. How haveyou felt about gen V so far
compared to the Boys? Yeah,first and foremost, I have to apologize

(40:40):
because, like, I don't knowwhat I was thinking. I was like,
I think maybe I thought it wascoming out on Sunday. I just
it hit me to day. Iwas like, I did not watch the
most recent episode, so I havekids. It's fine. Yeah, you're
welcome to spoil it if you'd like, But no, I've really enjoyed it.
You know. Did it take memaybe a couple episodes to really kind
of get invested in these characters.But they're all great. I really really

(41:00):
am having a good time with withthis group of people and kind of unsolving
the mystery as we go a littlebit, and kind of, like you
said, they're not focusing so muchon like social commentary as much as they
are just creating a story. Whichyou know, I'm not saying that that's
a bad thing about The Boys orsomething I don't appreciate about The Boys,
but I definitely feel a bit moreof a focus and again it kind of

(41:21):
being a bit of a mystery.It is kind of it feels early to
judge it too much, just becauseit's hard to see where a lot of
this stuff might go, at leastme through episode four. Maybe there's a
bunch of stuff in episode five thatI'm not aware, but so you know,
it's kind of I'm more like intriguinglycurious than i am like, Wow,
this is the best show ever.But I'm really having a good time

(41:44):
with it. I think probably wherethey dive more that The Boys doesn't really
do is that I think there's moreof like more of a focus on like
the kids, like mental health,having a character like like Kate, who
was a Golden Boy, like GoldenBoy, the guy that like he's like

(42:05):
the human torch. I'll just saythat, but like Kate's powers are helping
people kind of just feel better ifthey're going through stress or like a traumatic
situation. She just kind of helpshim forget about it, and I'm just
like, damn. It's like there'sa scene with her and Golden Boy where
they talk about I forget what happenedwith the Golden Boy, but he was

(42:27):
like feeling really really stressed out andlike really sad and I think depressed about
something. I think it had todo with his brother Luke. He's like
asking her like, hey, like, can you just stop making me feel
this way? And she's like,well, you have to. I don't
think I can, you know,just make you just not feel this anymore.
I think you just kind of haveto go through this too. And
that sounds like healthy, you know, But yeah, I know, I

(42:51):
think that's That's definitely something that Jenvilike differs from the Boys. It's definitely
its own flavor, which I thinkis great. Rispin Off, do you
have any other thoughts? No,yeah, I really like, you know,
one of my favorite shows, andprobably one of the more controversial parts
of the shows, is the factthat these heroes come with the disadvantages,
right, and we don't see thata lot. You know, I guess

(43:13):
Superman is kryptonite, but like really, like you know, every advantage has
this disadvantage, and I feel likethey're able to tackle that really well.
I did see some commentary online aboutlike are they kind of exploiting some of
the self harm stuff, Like isit really is the juice worse the squeeze,
Like is there a message here that'shelping people that actually go through that
stuff or is it just like acomponent to a TV show. So there

(43:36):
is an element of that that Ifeel, you know, is it weird?
I don't I don't know. Iguess I can't really speak on it,
but it's something to think about andI would I guess I would like
a little bit more commentary on that. But also, like you mentioned,
I think that the stuff with GoldenBoy, that was like a really awesome
scene where she's like she was ableto understand like, yeah, I could
solve this where you are out rightnow, but like you need to experience
this. And I feel like thatis a truth of the human experience and

(43:58):
it's something that she understood. Anduh yeah, so you know, the
pros and constant some of the stuff, I guess is what I'm getting at.
Yeah, No, it's definitely it'sdefinitely tricky, tricky subjects to explore.
Then again, the Boys has tackledlike, you know, depression and
sexual assault like so much other stuff. It's like, uh, that's never
really been there ballpark to begin with. Sure, sure, yeah, I

(44:22):
don't know if you we should likego to like a superhero show to find
find the answers for these kinds ofthings. But you know, I guess
what I'm getting at is like Iwould like to see like how they're grappling
with a little bit more Like Ifeel like a good end of this show
would be like does Emma decide tolike hang up the cape, you know,
and be like I don't need tobe a superhero, you know,

(44:43):
I don't. I don't need toput myself through this to accomplish these things.
And you know, kind of likeI said earlier, like you know,
it still feels a little early toreally judge a lot of this stuff,
but I'm curious to see where itall goes. And man, that
that first episode, that that endingor fucking Golden Boy just decides to just
go on a rampage at the schooland then at the end just kills himself.

(45:04):
It's man. Wow. Yeah,yeah, now that hooked her.
I was like, Wow, Okay, this show's not holding back, and
I guess I should expect nothing lessfrom the Boys universe. To me,
I was like, and I'm surelike there are other people thinking this as
well, but I thought Golden Boywas just gonna be like another asshole like
Homelander. But you know, obviouslynot like he was just like a troubled

(45:27):
young kid. What a shame,you know. Yeah, he's built.
I mean he's like the the NedStark of gen V right, like kind
of built up there. And Ikind of picked it the same thing,
you know, like you know obviouslywith coming up on season four, you
know, kind of wondering how alot of this stuff dies. And I
had that same thought. I'm like, this guy's gonna be homelanders a Prentice
for sure. Boy were we wrong? And I'm glad, Like, and

(45:49):
they're they're using him in in agood way too, because even though he
was gone, like they're they're stillutilizing him in like flashbacks and stuff,
and in a way that kind ofmakes sense. Yeah, I think that's
that's the Boys in gen V.Any any any final thoughts on on both
shows. Yeah, I just youknow, it's got me super stoked kind
of. I mentioned super stoked forseason four and like how some of this

(46:10):
stuff ties in. I think it'skind of been confirmed at this point that
that this is kind of like seasonthree point five and you know, let
me ask you, this is MarieMonroe gonna end up in the Seven?
Is that where we're going with us? Or do you see another character maybe
tying into that stuff that That's whatI'm wondering, is that, like will
they want these to cross over?Because that's that's something that I that I

(46:32):
thought about gen V is like doyou have to watch The Boys too?
Like really, like, could younot watch any season the Boys to enjoy
gen V? To me, I'mlike, no, not really, like
cause they just have like quick clipsof the Seven here and there, but
like if you didn't know who theywere, it's just like, oh,
well they're top of the line folkslike their celebrities pretty much. But to

(46:53):
answer your question, Marie going tothe Seven, I don't know if she'll
join the Seven, but I dothink she'll, like, I mean,
they definitely have to cross paths,right, like she has to cross paths
with the Seven for for some reason, and I will I will say this,
he's not part of the Seven.But I like that that prime video

(47:13):
they add like quick little teasers forthe next episodes at the end of the
credits, Soldier Boys is gonna bein the next episode? Oh, let's
go. That's saying Soldier Boys canbe in episode six. So I don't
know she'll be in the seven.We'll see. It kind of seems like
that's what she wanted, but Ithink, you know, with the corruption
at the school, maybe she's gonnabe like second guessing that kind of like

(47:37):
kind of going through like a similararc like how Starlight went through. Yeah,
And actually, as I was kindof saying it, I kind of
realized that it would make more sensefor her to join the Boys rather than
the Seven. And I think that'llbe interesting and also like almost like could
Marie Monroe actually become like a supervillain of the Seven. I think that

(47:57):
that would be something interesting to tackleas well. I think they can go
the other way with it, whichwould also be cool. That'll be fun.
I will say though, through fourepisodes, do do you think like
if we got X Men in thefuture. Do you think like something like
gen V is something that you'd liketo see? You know, that's interesting.
It's something I haven't really considered,like, uh, you know,

(48:21):
actually a series for X Men.I never really considered that, but actually
it might make more sense. AndI do really appreciate how the Boy,
not only the boys but GENV isable to Really it's more of an ensemble
show, right, There's a lotof different characters. It's not your Moonnight
or Miss Marble where there's one hero. You know, you're really tackling a
lot of different subjects, a lotof different characters. So actually, I

(48:44):
think you hit the nail on thehead here. I kind of want X
Men to be a TV show now, but also not a six episode mini
series. Give us the full thing, no, I mean, like,
well, just the characters, becauselike they're younger characters at a school,
and I kind of feel like ifwe did get X Men show and an
X Men mov I would want thecharacters explored in this way. I think

(49:05):
that'd be that'd be best. Yeah, for sure, I love that you
got me excited for that. Nowit's probably not gonna happen. It's not
happening like just wait, just wait, maybe, like I don't know,
a few years. I think theyjust started bringing in like like writers for
the next X Men project or whatever, but expect in like five years or
something. I don't know for sure, but Okay, that's boys and gen
v. I guess that's gonna dofor this pod before we close it out

(49:30):
here. Uh, do you wantto plug your socials real quick and let
the folks know where we can findyou. Yeah, we're on Uh,
we're on Twitter, TikTok, Instagram, Facebook at Stark Wars Pod. You
can find us again basically at thatplatform. Just look up Stark Wars Pod
again. I just you know,we're mostly on Instagram. If you want
to reach out to me, ifyou have comments, if you disagree with

(49:52):
something guys said here, that's completelyfine. I'm open to discussing it.
Hit me up. That's our pod. Would love to chat with you guys
and get a little more acclimated withthe hyperculture of fan base here. So
and thanks for having me. Thiswas so much fun because you know,
on our show, what we typicallywatch one episode and we talk about that
one episode then we get off.But like it's really nice to like just

(50:13):
come on here and like touch ona lot of different things that I've been
really wanting to talk about. So, uh, it's really scratching edge for
me. So again, thank youfor doing this. And also anytime you
want me, like I'm here,I will drop drop it a hat to
come chat with you. Awesome.Yeah, no, So we'll have you
on in the future for sure,for for maybe things that that are outside
of maybe Marvel and Star Wars,because we we like to talk about it

(50:35):
all on here. Anything sci fior fantasy. Really, we like to
like to do it here. Uhreal quick? Did you watch The Creator?
I did? Did you love itas much? I love? I
love that movie? You love?Just you said sci fi and like outside
of like if I'm talking like scifi and more, you know, outside
that The Creator, I've really enjoyedthat movie. Yeah, no, definitely.
Okay. So I don't know ifyou know, like, do you

(50:58):
know the budget for this for TheCreator? I know it was low or
lower than like you would expect itis. It's like just under eighty five
million dollars. And what Gareth Edwardsand Greg Fraser accomplished with this is absolutely
phenomenal because it's like visually, likecinematography is amazing, cgi amazing, like

(51:22):
some of the movements that the robotswere doing, it's like the these literally
exist. These are real because likethe world that they created was extremely immersive
and for like under eighty five million, this probably looks better than any other
blockbuster that came out this year.I think it's it's it's a it's a

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an achievement for sure for that littlebudget. It's the creativity is just off
the charts. It's a yeah,definitely worth a watch and definitely in like
Dolby or Imax. It's it's crazy. I saw in Delby that was the
way to get for sure. Yeah, I know the creator was was cool.
You guys definitely check that one out. But yeah, cool. Thanks
for coming on, man, likehappy to have you and hopefully hopefully you

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have you back soon. Yeah anytime, man. Okay, folks, thanks
for listening. Be sure to followus on socials at kyber Culture episode one.
Who knows we'll talk about something,but again, thanks for listening.
Be sure to follow the Stark Warspod and we'll catch you guys next time.

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So peace, what are you drinking? Do you guys have Longanitas?
Out there. I think it's prettybig brand long Aanitas Ipa. I usually

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like those. It's like I likeIPA's just because, like it's a stronger
beer. I honestly think it tastesbetter than like Cores or bud Light or
something. And it's like a cheaperipa compared to most other i pas.
It's like a couple bucks cheaper.It's usually my go too, and I
usually don't have a hangover the nextday after drinking. I like Vogga Patas
too, for sure. Yeah,