‘The Acolyte’ Finale and Thoughts on #RenewTheAcolyte

The discourse was insane, but we finally made it. ‘The Acolyte’ has come to an end… or has it? Tune in to episode 131 for our thoughts on the show.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:15):
One of folks, and welcome to the Chaigriculture episode one
thirty one with myself Deepak and let's see what's your
name here? Bona Thie Schlanson. What's going on with this one? Bro?

Speaker 2 (00:31):
Random name generator?

Speaker 1 (00:32):
Random name generator? I love it all right, Yeah, but
today we're just gonna chat, uh the act Lite finale,
maybe a little bit on on the other episode, since
we haven't potted since we talked about episodes three or four,
So just getting chatted a little bit about the finale,
so stay tuned for that. Before we get started, Aaron,
how's it going going?

Speaker 2 (00:53):
Pretty good? Works definitely pick him up. Summer seasons, definitely,
in fact, for sure. Got a lot of things going
around at the hospital, playing a lot of magic, the gathering,
going down to Newport Beach in August for a vacation
should be really fun. A lot of a lot of
nostalgia there. Joe, Joe, you know about that, Yes, indeed,

(01:15):
I wish you could come down. What else now, just
taking care of the taking care of the house, you know,
doing some gardening, putting some lights up in the backyard,
you know, just trying to feel, you know, just make
the make the house a little bit more summertime friendly.
I guess you could say, other than that, just taking

(01:35):
it day by day.

Speaker 1 (01:36):
What about you, man, Yeah, I know everything is going
pretty well. I'd say taking it day by day, like
like yourself. I did a I did a double feature
of movies today, which which is something that I haven't
done since Barbenheimer. So that was fun. I watched, uh,
I watched Long Long Legs, the new Oz Perkins movie

(01:57):
with Nicholas Cage and Mike Monroe. That is it is.
It's creepy. A lot of people say that, like it's
one of the scariest movie, like it's the scariest movie
of the year, and it's like the scariest movie since
like Silence of the Lambs, and I get all that
stuff for sure, and I was definitely scared. And like
I've seen a lot of people critiquing it saying like, oh,

(02:19):
it's not even that scary and like knocking their score
of the movie down because it wasn't scary. But to me,
I'm just like Noah, I kind of dug that it
wasn't like super scary where it makes me jump out
of my seat every like five seconds, because I could
actually like pay attention to the story, and I think
it's a good investigation into a serial killer. He's like
a satanic worshiper, and it's just it's disturbing, and Nicholas

(02:41):
Cage is like scary as all. But the crazy thing
about it, though, is that I found it really hard
to like actually think about the film because right afterwards
I was checking my phone it was like Joe Biden
drops out of the presidential election. I'm like, what the fuck,
Like I'm gonna remember I'm gonna remember long Legs because
I missed this like piece of news that happened in

(03:03):
the world. And I mean, I don't I don't want
to get into it. But these last few weeks in
politics have just been absolutely bonkers, Like what the fuck
is going on out there?

Speaker 2 (03:13):
It is fucking hilarious from like a outside perspective, you know,
not like I have an outside perspective, but like if
you just other people do, but if like you know,
other people looking in at the United States, it's just
a bunch of fuckery and it is hilarious, I think.
And I'll just say that, I'll just say.

Speaker 1 (03:32):
That, no, just to see it from like another country,
just looking over and be like what the fuck is
going on there? You know, like like you check the
news and it's like whole Coogan's on the TV, like
going on about something like Trump. Do it, brother, Like
just turn off your shroud. I'm like, Yo, this is crazy.
It's like I saw a tweet today that was like

(03:53):
like America is in like a telenovela, like crazy I
see say, like watch the soap opera now it's it's
honestly some shit that you should only like it's the
only type of dramatized shit that you should only see
on TV. That that's kind of the way I see
it with everything that's been happening.

Speaker 2 (04:09):
But yeah, and to piggyback on, you know, the you know,
horror movies, I think it's hard to say, like because
everybody has like a different everybody has different fears in
their life, so like what's scary to one person is
not scary to another person, right, and then there's also
different types of fears like psychologically thrilling, actual jump scares,

(04:29):
that kind of stuff. I hate scary movies. I hate
horror movies, but I know what really scares me and
what doesn't. So it's kind of hard to like knock
a like a horror movie because it didn't scare you,
or like a thriller thriller slash horror, And I feel
like that's the only genre of like film that that
applies to. Like obviously people enjoy different things. I feel

(04:52):
like fear and being scared takes it is on a
whole other level, you know when it comes to like
consuming cinema.

Speaker 1 (04:59):
Yeah, no, it's horror is really interesting that way, just
because like it is like you will have like some
type of like emotional reaction, like when you're in a
horror movie, like no matter how bad it is or good,
it is like you got scared at some point, like
you felt something like I watched earlier this year, I
watched The Strangers chapter one. I thought it was ass,

(05:21):
but something like that Strangers is like the scariest shit
they've ever seen. No, Like, no, watch The Strangers from
like two thousand and eight, and like this was just
a remake and a like a reboot of the franchise
that feels totally unnecessary. But yeah, no, I remember the
the one from back in the Day being like pretty scary. Yeah,
The Strangers chapter one is not great, but no, this

(05:43):
this one Long Legs is kind of it's it's creepy
for sure. Like it reminded me like the fact that
it focuses a little like it leans heavily more on
the like investigation the lead like actually like trying to
solve the murder versus like trying to like jump scared you.
It reminded me like a scarier like True Detective. If

(06:04):
you've ever watched True Detective, I'll always say this, And
the reason why I don't watch them is because the
horror movies that scare me the most are the ones
that have to do like with religion. So I thought
I was gonna be like super spooked from this one
because Nick Cage is like it's like satanic worship type shit.
You know that song, that song Banging Gong by t Rex.

Speaker 2 (06:27):
Yeah, and if you played it backwards, it's like this
whole satanic thing. I don't remember that I'm actually that
anything with that song. I think, oh, I'm thinking maybe
of a Led Zeppelin song or something.

Speaker 1 (06:37):
But anyways, okay, well no, like yeah, lyrics, get it on,
get it yeah, no, And it's just super cool, like yeah,
super cool guitar riff. It's like one of the coolest
rock songs you'll ever hear. They they like took like
a snippet of like some lyrics from the song they
opened the film with it. I'm like, dang, this is
just some pretty creepy lyrics. Like it's like one of

(07:00):
the lyrics is like you got the teeth of a
hydra upon you, you're dirty, sweet, and you're my girl.
I'm like, ooh, that's kind of weird, and like you
put that in the in the context of the movie,
I'm like, dang, that's kind of And then they played
it during the credits. I was like, fucking.

Speaker 2 (07:14):
Damn using that kind of contrast between like the vibe
of the song, Yeah, it sounds real positive, but then
you listen to the lyrics and then juxtaposes to the
actual move and you're like, oh my god, putting that
in a different playlist.

Speaker 1 (07:27):
But no, I saw I saw it with a few
people today and one of the people said that, like
the vibe of the movie is like if you took
like a true crime podcast. I don't know if you've
ever listened like true crime podcasts, but like they're pretty creepy.
I listened to like one or two and they're pretty
like eerie to listen. And it's pretty much like taking

(07:48):
like a creepy like investigation that you hear over a
true crime podcast and you just like make a movie
about it, if that makes any sense. But yeah, so
it's a good movie. I definitely recommend because Nick Cage
is a fucking maniac. Yeah, so long legs give it
a four. I five Twisters with Glenn Powell. I I'll

(08:08):
be honest with you, guys, I've never seen the first Twister,
but Twisters is, uh, it's pretty fun. It's just like
it's it's pretty straightforward blockbuster movie, like like fun exciting,
straightforward story, like nothing crazy about the story, just awesome
like visuals, just great performances by Glenn Powell. I mean,
Glenn Powell is like probably the biggest actor in Hollywood

(08:29):
right now. He's just had a crazy summer, Like he
had Twisters of rom Com with that rom Com with
Sidney Swinty anyone but you he had that movie hit Man.
He's just on a fucking roll. No, Twisters is is
a bunch of fun much I'll say, like pretty cool
uh like country music soundtrack, Yeah, just just awesome stuff. Yeah,

(08:50):
I know, I'd say I'd say that's pretty much it
on my end.

Speaker 2 (08:54):
How the tube feel?

Speaker 1 (08:56):
Oh, the tube was sick. The fucking the Twister too. Yeah, man,
the Twister tube was funny because one of my buddies
was well, I was like, hey, the Twister tubes over there,
can you film me in it? And I was just
like that that that's fun that kind of like film
marketing is really fun. Okay, that's the thing I will
say about this funny, like watching Longsters. That's that's what

(09:20):
I'm gonna call the double feature Longsters, so long legs.
The marketing campaign was like ten times scarier than the
actual movie itself. The marketing they did for that was
insanely creepy, Like the teasers were really creepy. The billboards
were creepy, Like they they did a whole thing where
it was like they did a billboard with like a

(09:43):
phone number that you could call, and we called it
and obviously it's just some dude like breathing into a
phone just saying like Hulu, and like it's it's really weird.
I just got chills just from doing it. What else
they had like very creepy posters. They had one poster
that was kind of funny. It was just like long
legs like number one movie in America, and then in

(10:03):
small caps under or in small like text undereathing said
after Despicable me for damn and then twisters of course,
like there's that, there's the twister tube that you just mentioned.
And then they had like a movie poster where it
was like a broken down car that was upside down,
and then like the move like you know, like when

(10:24):
you're walking in the street. There are those like like
bus stop movie posters.

Speaker 2 (10:28):
Oh yeah, there.

Speaker 1 (10:30):
Was one that was just like broken and upside down,
like just in the middle of the street, you know,
because like it's fun. It's it's like a fun marketing campaign.
Market marketing is everything for for your movie, like especially
when you can tell the studio believes in it, like
Deadpool and Wolverine. The marketing is pretty fun market even though.

Speaker 2 (10:52):
Yeah, I'm here for it. I am here for it.

Speaker 1 (10:57):
The only thing about me with that is like obviously
they see how like popcorn buckets made like I feel
like popcorn buckets made an insane comeback within like the
past couple of years. They saw how absurd and how
like weird looking the dune popcorn bucket was and then
they just made like this wolverine popcorn bucket. I don't
know if you've seen it, but pretty much it's just

(11:20):
like it's just a wolverine head with his mouth wide open,
and I'm like, okay, you're you guys are obviously just
trying to like go for something here. I feel like
they're like genuinely trying to go for like like a
viral moment, Like they're trying for it, and it's just
obvious that they're trying, you know, So I'm just kind
of like, all right, yeah, but also, like the Dune,

(11:40):
the Dune popcorn bucket just kind of happened on accident.

Speaker 2 (11:44):
Yeah, you know, like the idea was great, but then
the execution and then you know, the reception of the
audience was a whole another whole, another story. But that's
like such a deadpool thing to do, though, Like I
don't know, it's true. No, it's taking something and like
making it way over the top and ridiculous and poking
fun at something else, you know, and not even that.

(12:05):
Just playing Ryan reynolds butt cheeks as a controller is
fucking hilarious.

Speaker 1 (12:10):
I think, Yeah, that is pretty funny, awesome, that is
pretty funny. But anyway, that's it for me. But before
we move on, talked about the Acolyte. Let's just take
a quick break for some ads. All right, So the
Acolyte the final what is it three or four episodes.
I don't have like too too much to say, but
I do want to start us off with episode five.

(12:32):
This is the gold star of the show. Episode five.
Fucking awesome action. Manny. His Sinto is fucking great at
this lightsaber choreography shit. He is like many His Sinto
as Camiere is the highlight of the show. Well it's
between him and Soul, but by the end that was
kind of like whatever on Soul, But we'll we'll talk

(12:54):
about that later. But honestly, this type of lightsaber combat
was stuff that I was expecting to see from like
in the Ahsoka show, and that's that's really what I wanted.
But yeah, the way that Jeckie and Kamure fought each other,
like with two lightsabers, Like the way Jackie just held
the two like I really thought that was gonna be
some Ahsoka shit, you know, but like they even use

(13:15):
like the same form that Ahsoka normally goes with, you know,
where where she fights with the holding the lightsabers upside down,
and that's that's exactly what Camir and what Camere and
and Jackie did.

Speaker 2 (13:26):
With the the the loong and the short sword and
the way that he spoiler alert if you haven't watched it,
but the way that he killed Jeckie with the two
lightsabers else, like, yeah, she literally got.

Speaker 1 (13:39):
Fucking triple tapped. Yet three whole Punch is crazy. I
couldn't believe it. Man that Yeah, No, the three whole
Punch was sick. Why Like while the all the action
was and this is something that I think the show
just always just wanted to talk about and always wanted
to live her on was like, Okay, the actions cool,

(14:01):
the action is great, and like this is where it
really is, where it's truly showcased, I thought. But I
will say like I don't think it really Like like
at this point we were talking about episodes one through four,
we were like, okay, like are they gonna answer any
more questions, you know, or are they gonna like kind
of like move the plot forward. I don't think a
ton happened in this episode, and if anything, had just

(14:23):
added more questions, which we'll talk about at the end. Obviously,
Kamire as a sith is like could have called that
from a mile away, but like many was just so
sick Askmere that I was, I kind of just let
it go. No, okay, I will say that this is
the best lightsaber choreography that's been in the Disney era,

(14:44):
but it's not better than the prequels, you know, No,
lightsaber fights of the prequels are much better.

Speaker 2 (14:50):
Yes, and then the the impact and the significance behind
the fights in the prequels are like bar none and
confining obi Wan on Movestafar obi Wan and Qui Gone
fighting fucking Darth Maul on Naboo. Like, the significance behind
both of those battles will outshine anything for probably forever.

(15:10):
But yes, like in terms of actual just strict choreography
Disney Area, Disney era, I'd agree with.

Speaker 1 (15:16):
That blows the sequels out of the water. It's better
than it was better than a Soka. Honestly, we haven't
had much like lightsaber fights anyways. Biano, Well, it's also
better than Obi Wan Biano. I really liked this episode,
and like you know, we were both like kind of
in the middle on it. Like we were giving it
like like a three out of five through episodes one

(15:38):
through four. At this point I had bumped it up
like slightly to like maybe a three and a half. Biano,
did did you have any thoughts on episode five?

Speaker 2 (15:45):
Two? Things just kind of piggyback on what you're saying
about Manny jacinto him and also Lee Jung Jay, and
just kind of an overall general thought of the show.
I feel like the effort that they both have put
into the show is so like awesome but also like
disappointing at the same time, because I don't know how
true this is, but apparently like Lee Jung Jay didn't

(16:08):
even he could like barely speak English like a month
before they started filming the show, and he like learned
fantastic English like in the show. So like that dedication
from him to do that just for the show, and
maybe he also wants to do it for himself obviously,
and then many his into doing like all of his
own stunts is just that's what you want from your actors,

(16:29):
you know, and your supporting cast. I love that. Yeah,
the the Deton Shotto thing, like Kimier pulling his lightsabers
apart to two different Lightsabers is just fucking awesome. Like
I feel like I'm gonna say a lot of these
things and I'm ultimately gonna end up saying like none
of it's redeeming the show fully, but it's still fucking

(16:50):
awesome at face value. I love seeing like a little
Padawan like go up against you know, powerful stuff like
that and just you know, duke it out. Absolutely amazing.
But other than that, not too much to say about
episode five except I wish that episode five was episode
four instead, So instead of using episode four as like

(17:12):
the whole flashback thing, put episode five there instead and
just go to where we actually left off, you know
what I mean in episode three.

Speaker 1 (17:18):
Yeah, like the flashback episode like instead, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (17:24):
It didn't really serve a lot. It didn't really serve
a lot. Yeah, That's that's all I really got for episode.

Speaker 1 (17:28):
Five, honestly, Like a couple like really brutal, probably some
of the most brutal kills that I've seen in Star
Wars period, the fucking you never have seen anyone get
their next snapped in Star Wars before. I was like,
oh my god.

Speaker 2 (17:45):
Qui Gon and Douku are the top two brutal kills
okay outside of this, outside of outside of.

Speaker 1 (17:51):
Well yeah something yeah, dooku straight up got his head
chopped off.

Speaker 2 (17:55):
Yeah you got Nike?

Speaker 1 (17:57):
Yeah, no, okay, something else that I may or may
not bring up again. But and like there were interviews
about this, I'm pretty sure Leslie Hedlin said like, like
this is confirmed and it will mean something in the future.
I don't know if you clocked this or have seen
anything online about it, but the fucking kyler Ren theme.
Did you hear that in the I did for a
little bit.

Speaker 2 (18:17):
It was like dnn, but then it after that one note,
it like went into something else.

Speaker 1 (18:23):
So you hear it towards the end of episode five
where he like, for one, we gotta we got a
force heel. I think I mentioned in like a previous episode.
I was like, where the force Heel's at? And he
I think he like force healed Osha after May had
like swapped clothes with her. Yeah no, no, that's straight
up like it's it's the kyler Ren theme. And Leslie

(18:45):
Headn was saying like, oh yeah no, that like we
know that's you know, we know everyone clocked that, and
it's gonna mean something in the future. So in my head.
I was like, okay, maybe, like I don't know if
it's in Old Republic comics or no, not Old Republic
but High Republic comments or comics where there's a Sith
like his name's is straight up Wren, Like he was

(19:07):
like the first one. I thought that's where they were
gonna go with this Knights of Wren. Yeah, like the
Knights of Wren, and like he is like the first
like Wren or whatever. If you think about the Knights
of Wren, then like how they're how like their look
how their helmets, like it looks pretty similar to fucking
Kamer's helmet, his Cortosi's helmet, you know.

Speaker 2 (19:27):
Yeah, and what do you what do you think? You do?

Speaker 1 (19:29):
You have a thought on crtosis?

Speaker 2 (19:32):
So I still need to fact check myself, but yes,
and I I feel like maybe I should hold off
on that. Well, let me just say this. There is
a book out there where the beginning of the book
is between two you know, Master and Apprentice of the
dark Side Sith Sith lords where they're on a planet

(19:53):
mining cortosis or trying to find cortosis. And that's all
I'll say about it. That's all I about it really
is like cortosis holds some very significant value amongst certain
couple of characters in this time period. Not directly on
this time that, but like close enough.

Speaker 1 (20:12):
I thought it was an interesting metal that it can
disrupt lightsabers. How do you feel about that? Because he
this fool is just like headbutting lightsabers and just like
shorting him out. I thought it was pretty interesting.

Speaker 2 (20:23):
I think I faced value being able to stop lightsabers. Bullshit,
because number one, we already have, we already have best
car for that, like in terms of like over overarching
lore with a quick Wikipedia study, like apparently you can
also use cortosis, Like cortosis can be affected by the force,

(20:45):
so like you might be wearing some cortosis armor, but
you can also use the force to like amplify it
or change it or you know, transmute it or whatever.
And apparently Thron had something to do with cortosis also,
which I don't know the significance behind that or the
story behind that, but yeah, I kind of do think
like that ability of it to just like block a

(21:06):
fucking lightsaber is kind of fucking stupid. Why if it
was in a different story or this story was being
fleshed out differently, like you know, there was more like
reveal and like explanation of like what cortosis is, and
then also explaining like how you can use cortosis, and
like who's actually mining cortosis, which would be Plague's Antennabrisk,

(21:28):
which spoiler alert, that's how the Plague's book starts as
they're mining fucking cortosis, which for their purposes makes sense
because they're trying to mind cortosis to use it as
armor to fucking block themselves from fucking lightsabers, which that
makes sense. But we just don't have that explanation in
this show. That's why I'm saying is dumb. Like, Okay,
so you just want to I know that. I know that, well,

(21:51):
at least I think I know that, but like the
general audience does not. So like if you're a general audience,
you're like, why the fuck is this blocking a lightsaber?
How is that possible? Yeah? I don't think it's very
mythical to like the fucking general audience. But and that's
kind of like a recap in my head of like
thinking about everything that's going on in the show. But
I don't know, what do you have? What do you
feel about it?

Speaker 1 (22:10):
No, I think it's sick. I think it's pretty cool,
like especially if you have to if he's like one
Sith that has to take out, like it's just him
versus like ten Jedi. I think it's like, I think
it looks cool, Like visually it looks cool. I do
get what you're saying, though, Like you would have preferred
it if cortosis was brought into the story with to

(22:32):
Nebris and Plagis, as they were the first ones who like,
like according to the book, they were the first ones
to discovered it, like right now, they just kind of
tossed it in there for.

Speaker 2 (22:42):
Like as and not like they were the first ones
to discover it. But or if there was some sort
of like reference from dialogue in the characters in Acolyte
to say, oh, like this is made of cortosis. There
are legends have it that you know, the ancient Sith
used it for this, or the Sith used it for that,
like even just one line of dialogue, that would be

(23:02):
totally okay with me. But I don't know. I guess
I'm okay with to like knowing that when the general
audience doesn't know that. Yeah, but I hear that. Yeah,
but like in essence, it is cool armor like it
like it is like it's a cool alloy.

Speaker 1 (23:16):
Yeah. No, I think it's interesting. Like, I mean, who
knows if they'll they if it does get a season two,
they'll probably they could dive into it a little more.
Like obviously it's like it's rare because he can't make
a full suit of armor of it, Like he just
has like a like a like one gauntlet and then
a helmet, you know. Episode five, of course it's a

(23:36):
fun episode. I dug it. Episode six. I honestly don't
have a ton on this besides the fact that many
Jacinto is fucking jacked. I mean, the one takeaway I
have from this, it's is like Star Wars always talks
about like the seduction of the dark Side, you know,
and then this episode kind of just feels like like
he actually tried like seducing or not just like with

(23:59):
the dark Side, but like just like physically, you know.
And so I mean, I I like the idea and
I like what they were going for, but ultimately I
just didn't really care for the episode, and especially after
like the high that was episode five. Then we do
get like a little bit like slight explanation of what

(24:20):
cortosis is. Apparently it's like like sensory dampening and like
it helps him whenever he has it on it helps
him focus, like it's just him in the force or whatever.
The fuck. Yeah. Other than that, it's like this episode
also like Soul is like with May and he doesn't

(24:40):
find out until the end because Basil helped him find
it out. Basil, of course, is just awesome, hilarious, just
like a like a mischievous little little alien, you know,
kind of Yeah, just sniffed out trouble. Yeah. Other than that,
not much else to say on episode six, Any any

(25:01):
thoughts from you? No.

Speaker 2 (25:02):
The only other random thought that I had was, you know,
I do seem to remember like in the Old Republic
games there was like some like some head armor that
was similar to cortosis, where it's like reduces certain attributes
of you, but like amplifies the fuck out of other ones,
and it's not made of cortosis, but like there's a
similar like theme behind the actual armor. I don't remember

(25:26):
what it's called. I think I remember get from one
of one of the like either you get it from
Revin or nihilis or you don't get it from Krea.
Oh my god, who's the third one? Uh? Scion? I
don't remember who it is, but but there is something
that's like, yeah, it helps you focus the fuck up.
But yeah, I don't really have any thoughts on episode six.

(25:48):
It is kind of pretty I think episode six was
the one that I actually like shut it off like
fifteen minutes early, and I was like, I don't really
care for this. It was either six dang it.

Speaker 1 (25:57):
Remember it did not finish well.

Speaker 2 (26:00):
Eventually I did, but not on my first watch.

Speaker 1 (26:02):
Oh okay, I just thought you skipped it all together.
But okay, so episode seven is pretty much a repeat
of episode three. Episode three is the flashback is the
first flashback episode I think, would you happen to remember? Okay,
so the one with like young Ocean May and like
with the tree with the witches, Yeah, with the witches

(26:24):
that I initially thought were the Knight sisters, but they
are not. What frustrated me the most about this one
is that it's literally beat for beat the same episode
with like like you maybe cut like deleted scenes like
into this episode. You know, it's essentially the same shit
and from from like Soul in the Jedi's perspective, but
it's just so like, I don't know, it's not really

(26:47):
significant up until you see Soul and uh Torbin fighting
at the compound and fucking Soul is Like Soul is
very like weird to me in this episode. Like I
was like rocking with Soul up until this episode because
I just don't get the like his motivations as to

(27:11):
why he desperately needed a padawan and uh like the reason,
Like his reasoning as to why like he wanted to
save these twins so bad, Like the connection that he
had to both or well to Osha was just very
It was odd to me. Like he kept on going

(27:32):
on this episode talking about how he wants to do
the right thing by the kids and then ends up
killing their mom, and I'm just like, that's not the
right thing to do by these kids, you know, it
just doesn't. It's like all throughout this show, it's like
the decisions the character makes or the characters make are

(27:52):
just jarring and it's just almost like why.

Speaker 2 (27:54):
Yeah, like contradicting to decisions they make in like previous episodes.

Speaker 1 (27:59):
It's one of the most frustrating things about the about
the show, I think, and it just doesn't make a
ton of sense. But what I what I do think
is interesting though, is like, well, the idea is cool,
like the fact that the witches can kind of mind
control somebody, which is something that you kind of I
think there are like mind control powers in like the
Kotor Games, so I think that's pretty fun. But the

(28:21):
thing that is weird about it is that they all
in Unison had to take control of Torbin or kil Knaka,
kill Knaka's the chew or yeah, the Wookie Jedi. It
took all of them to control the Wookie Jedi or
kill Knaka, and then once it was done, they like

(28:43):
all died right there, and like what and like and
that's how they all That's that's how I think, like
how they present it to us, that's how they all died.

Speaker 2 (28:56):
And that's like the ascension is like you make this
emitment to be a part of this coven and then
eventually you're just gonna use your power to do some great,
you know, all powerful thing and then you're just gonna
die and you're gonna turn into dust. That's what these
engine is. And it's like, what what can you come
back from this? Black dust. I don't well what I

(29:18):
will say. And it's one thing that it was the
other episode two or episode three, and I remember us
talking about, like damn man, like we wanted to actually
see like a Wookie Jedi fight. Well we finally got.

Speaker 1 (29:30):
It actually, and it's pretty. It's pretty. It's pretty cool.

Speaker 2 (29:34):
Some like I didn't believe. I'm like, there's no way
you just block the Hookie like that.

Speaker 1 (29:39):
No, no, okay, it's it's exactly how I imagine a Wookie
Jedi would fight. Like. It's not like fancy sword play.
It's just like brute strength. They kind of can't stop,
you know, like his his swings with the lightsaber like
fucking insane, Like both Soul and Torment could barely like
stop him, you know, like each swing is like you

(30:00):
can feel the strength behind it, you know. I also
will say too, like real quick, even though it was
like only like five or ten seconds, Torben was pretty
sick with his thorn, was pretty sick with his lights
like when he's doing all that shit with the like
blocking all their arrows. I was like, dang, that's that's
like straight up some like Hayden Christiansen lightsaber play right there, there.

Speaker 2 (30:21):
Were some decent, decent flashbacks to some sick lightsaber lightsaber
like combat throughout the show up to this point that
like you kind of only notice it if you're really
paying attention, and like Torben's definitely one of those, and yeah,
like it, I don't know, like the whole episode was
like oh, like trying to explain, like, yeah, the past

(30:44):
two episodes are just like you're telling the same story
but like saying what actually happened, But like do we
really like care, especially when you watch the finale, where
like how does any of this like matter in terms
of the finale? Like I don't, I don't know, but
we'll we'll get to that, we'll get to the final conclusions.

Speaker 1 (31:06):
But you know, I was pretty like, oh and also
something I said I think after I think in episode three,
I said this in the last pod, like if it
was actually made that just started the fire and just
burned down the compound and there was nothing else behind it,
I'll be pissed. And that like this episode pretty much
confirmed that, like, yeah, she actually started the fire and
the structure burned down because I guess because of faulty wiring.

Speaker 2 (31:31):
But they didn't they didn't like because of the fire.

Speaker 1 (31:34):
So that's yeah, yeah, that is the main difference. I mean,
burning down an entire structure still when it looks like
it's mostly stone. I mean, I guess electrical fires can
bring down stone. I don't, I don't sure.

Speaker 2 (31:48):
I mean, it's it's it's a it's a fictional future
so or so who knows.

Speaker 1 (31:56):
Yeah, well, we'll let it slide. But I'm like, yeah,
that's kind of lame. Okay. So here's something I put
in my notes. The act Lite feels like it wants
to recontextualize the rest of Star Wars, like in a
different way where you look at it, like just just
like through a slightly different lens, which I think is
an interesting idea. I think it's a fun idea. But

(32:18):
at the end of the day, it's like you didn't
give us any like it was just it felt like
poor execution right at that point. If you are trying
to recontextualize Star Wars to try and connect it to
the Skywalker saga, like then why do it like one
hundred years before, Like you could have just made like
another like another prequel, like right before the Phantom Menace

(32:39):
or something.

Speaker 2 (32:40):
Right, you know what I mean?

Speaker 1 (32:41):
Like it feels like, even though it's disconnected from the
Skywalker saga, you're still trying to connect it to the
Skyloker socca, you know what I mean?

Speaker 2 (32:50):
And there is no like I don't think like you
don't need to recontextualize the Skywalker saga. Like the only
the only time you would neither recontextualize the Star Wars
saga or the Skywalker Saga is with the sequel trilogy.
But even at this point, I don't even think you
need to do that. I think there's just plenty of

(33:12):
content that's out there in terms of books and comic
books that you can make into a show that are
not necessarily like quid pro quo from pages to screen
the same project. But it won't recontextualize the Skywalker saga.
It will reinforce the Skywalker saga, because these are things

(33:35):
that like exist throughout a vast timeline. I don't know,
I just feel like the things that they've tried to
do with the show so far, like are just not
There's only like one or two, maybe three things of
the show up to episode seven that have pleased me
as a Star Wars fan that don't really have anything
to do with lore, Like none of it has to

(33:56):
do with Loare. It's just more of like again, choreography,
maybe some some music, some scores, but like I don't know.
I guess what I'm trying to say about the Virgins
is like there's no need to like focus on that
in a different project, because what I get. I guess
what I'm trying to say is Anakin goes from virgins
in the forest chosen one, all powerful, you know, has

(34:20):
his what's in the hero's journey like the fifth step
or whatever, the downfall, whatever you want to call it,
and then to redemption. But then you drop the virgins
in some other fucking project and there's no hero's journey
involved with their story at all. I guess that's my frustration,
And it's not a level of hate for me. It's

(34:42):
not like in fucking Star Wars theories out here saying
like this is probably the he even said this is
the worst show I've ever seen of all time. I'm like, Okay,
there are worse shows out of here than the Accolade.
Let's let's chill on that. I'm not trying to drop
another podcast in a podcast, but it's I.

Speaker 1 (34:57):
Think it's the worst Star Wars show.

Speaker 2 (34:58):
No, it's the worst Star Wars show I've ever seen.
But saying it's the worst Star Wars worst show of
all time is nah, I don't think that's true.

Speaker 1 (35:08):
But no, yeah, I think I think I'll just call
him s w T. I think you just needs to
watch more TV.

Speaker 2 (35:15):
Yeah, that's very fair, very very fair. I don't know,
you want to move on to the finale once you
once you got anything else.

Speaker 1 (35:22):
No, I don't think I have anything else on on
episode seven. But no, it's like you said, I I
simply just don't care about the characters.

Speaker 2 (35:30):
Right, you know, the only thing that you're invested in
really is soul for a little bit chime error and Basil.

Speaker 1 (35:40):
I mean, come on, this is totally random. But it
just it just came to my mind. I remember when
people were like pretty upset about the lightsaber whip or
the light whip. But it's in the comics, and it's
in the comics. Yeah, and it's and it's Vnestra's saber,
like that's that's that's your thing. Like in one of
the trailers leading up to the act, like you see
Venestra like use it real quick. And then once we

(36:03):
get to the show. That's all you get of It
was just the one clip that's in the teaser. I
just think it's funny, Like we saw it for like
like three seconds and we never saw it again.

Speaker 2 (36:16):
Never Nope.

Speaker 1 (36:18):
Okay, so the finale. There was just a couple of
things that I liked about this, the kyber bleeding, the
kyber crystal bleeding, like like you know, our our podcast
is literally called the Kyber Culture because kyber crystals, Like
I loved. I loved seeing this. A lot of people
have been talking about how she was able to bleed

(36:39):
her lightsaber or bleed the kyber crystal from force choking soul.
But everyone's wondering, like, why didn't Anakin's kyber crystal bleed
during Order sixty six.

Speaker 2 (36:54):
My immediate counter argument to that would be that because
he's still always had some good left in him.

Speaker 1 (37:02):
Okay, that's fair.

Speaker 2 (37:04):
Because he gets redeemed, and Luke saw that shallow fragment
that was good that was still left in his father.
I mean that that's the immediate and best thing that
I could come up with.

Speaker 1 (37:14):
Also, think I don't know in like what this came
out in two thousand and three, Revenge of the Sith,
right was a two thousand and five. I don't know
that the idea of bleeding kyber crystals was even like
a thing yet, do you think it was?

Speaker 2 (37:29):
You just mean in general.

Speaker 1 (37:31):
Like in general, like in any like written books or
anything like, yes.

Speaker 2 (37:35):
Well, okay, so I can tell you for sure that
so the opposite of it is true in some books
or some comic books about Ahsoka, and that's how she
got her white lightsabers, is that she killed an inquisitor
or a scyth and she led them. Yeah, she purified them.

(37:57):
So like the opposite of it is true. But I'm
pretty sure like bleeding a crystal is low accurate as well.
I don't know exactly what law it's from, but I'm
pretty sure that is accurate.

Speaker 1 (38:09):
No, But like at the time that the movie Revenge
of the Sith came out, like, oh, was it already
like written in lore, like was the idea there? Because
if you if you look at if you look at
like the original trilogy, it's like, okay, no, this guy's
a blue lightsairer because he's a good guys. Then thought,
Vader's red lightsairer because he's bad guys. And that's pretty much.
It Ye, the whole idea of like kyber bleeding, I

(38:33):
just don't think was like an idea at the time
that like, if someone's listening to this can and can
fact check that, like please do. But like back then,
I'm just like, yeah, no, why would he like why
would a kyber crystal bleed if like no one had
even even thought of the idea when when writing Revenge
of This, well.

Speaker 2 (38:54):
I think of it being like I think the likelihood
of it being in some lore before Revenge of the
Sith is very high. I don't know if it was
afterwards for sure. But then it also raises the question like, well,
what like where did fucking Vader get his lightsaber from? Then?
Like is it still as lightsaber or is it like.

Speaker 1 (39:15):
I mean it like when I look at them, just
like models of them, it looks the same. It looks
the same, but it looks like a little darker. I
just assumed he got another one. He just made another one.

Speaker 2 (39:27):
But then they also don't explain like there's no sort
of like kiber mining going on, and you know that
era of Star Wars either that they explained, So it's
like I don't think it exists like that close to
like coming out with Revenge of the Sith. No, but
but like either before or after.

Speaker 1 (39:45):
Yes, but anyways, uh, kyber leading, I thought it was cool.
It was it was interesting to see.

Speaker 2 (39:51):
It wasn't only that you saw the crystal inside of
it turn red. It's also that you actually saw the
blade slowly turn red to that was a badass par No.

Speaker 1 (40:01):
Of course, the action in this is great. I thought
it was pretty cool, like something that like they tried
putting the like one moment the duel. I thought it
was like pretty interesting in it, like it kind of
completely changes up, like when you throw like the metal
like cortosis in the mix, like during a during a duel.
It kind of like makes you like rethink how the
person with cortosis will approach a fight, because at one

(40:24):
point both Soul and Chimer are dueling. Of course it
looks sick like there was some ship that looked like
like Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon when they just started to float,
I thought that looked really cool. A lot of people
are hating on it, but I'm like, this looks pretty awesome.
Yeah yeah. Oh, also like when when Chymer fucking force through,

(40:46):
Like I don't know if we've seen a proper force
throw in live action of your lightsabers. But he threw
them both and then like Sol did that weird thing
where he.

Speaker 2 (40:55):
Like did like push the ground.

Speaker 1 (40:58):
Yeah, force pushed the ground and like pretty much a
force push that was all around him. I was like, Okay,
this is pretty sweet. Dope, No, it's dope, but no, Okay,
So back to the Cortos's thing. Like at one point
the duel Kim here was like like Soul took a
swing at him and he blocked it. But then he
like switched up and like tried to like like he

(41:20):
moved his blade on on like the other side did
like try to pull souls saber towards his helmet. But
then Seul was like trying to pull it away. I
thought that was pretty Did you did you catch that?

Speaker 2 (41:30):
Yeah, there's almost a little reminiscent of like like in
a way of Ray and Kylo fighting Snoke in the
Throne room, like a similar idea of like switching it up,
you know, where like she drops the saber and then
like picks it up underneath.

Speaker 3 (41:49):
You know.

Speaker 2 (41:50):
I did catch that though, but that like I feel
like we've only seen that that one time. Like that
kind of move.

Speaker 1 (41:57):
Yeah, so the fights are cool. Okay. So that dude
that showed up, he was like a member of the Senate,
his name Senator Rayancourt. He was like, he's the guy
that was talking to Venestra talking about, Oh, I'm launching
in an external investigation about the Jedi. Do you remember this?

Speaker 2 (42:15):
No? Yeah, And he's like, you guys are pretty much
just imposing your religion on the rest of the galaxy.
Blah blah blah blah blah blah blah.

Speaker 1 (42:21):
Yeah. So I think that line of dialogue or his
little like mini monologue there, like when people say that
this show is like narratively similar to and Or, I
think that him saying that is where that idea comes from.
But like, if you wanted to do that, the external

(42:42):
investigation should have happened, like it should have been happening
throughout the show. And I think, again, I think it's
an interesting idea. Didn't do anything with it.

Speaker 2 (42:52):
No, And I think that raises like that's another big
problem with the show is that they tried to do
like they had like three or four different big ideas
of what to do with the show, and they threw
all of them in there, but like didn't stick to one,
and then they all just didn't like mesh well together,
you know what I mean. Okay, it's supposed to be
like a murder mystery. Okay, it kind of starts that way,

(43:12):
but then it turns into like a flashback and like
a retelling of a story of you know, some hero
slash villains. And then it turns into like a political
tumultuous you know debate, you know, like not galact to debate,
but like macro debate. But I agree with just like
it focus on that. If they did focus on that,

(43:35):
that'd be awesome, Like you know that would Yeah, that
woul the public's view on the Jedi versus the politicians
view on the Jedi versus the Jedi's view on the
Jedi versus the jedis view on the politicians. Sure, focus
on that, but no, it's not really what we got.
We got like thirty seconds of it, but.

Speaker 1 (43:56):
I think what was going. Like one of the main
things about the show too, is that it has all
these big ideas because it thinks like they think they
will get a season two. But I'll we'll come back
to that later. Let's talk about the episode A little more.
I think I mentioned this when we first talked about
episodes one and two, how the show kind of feels
like tonally like really wrong. Like I don't know if

(44:19):
you remember, but in episode two I talked about how
May was trying to get poisoned to kill a Jedi,
and it was like a super light happy, well not happy,
but it felt like a like a like, oh, this
is no big deal type thing. It felt very casual, like, oh,
I'm like, I'm I'm trying to murder somebody, can you
get me some poison like.

Speaker 2 (44:37):
Like Master Jedi by the way, Yeah.

Speaker 1 (44:40):
It's super like like it made it sound like it
was an everyday thing. I feel like we got some
more of that in this episode where Osha fucking like
turned by the end like force choked her master to death,
killed the Jedi, and then by the end of it
they're like May and osh are like hugging it out
and like the music is like super happy and upbeat,

(45:02):
like like they were the heroes of the story. You know,
I'm just like what it just doesn't like And I've
seen a lot of this, Okay, I've seen like so
many like you know, pieces like think pieces online about like, oh,
like the Jedi aren't the bad guys like that they're
trying to speak out about folks that are saying like, oh,

(45:23):
you guys are making the Jedi the bad guys in this,
and then they'll they'll like say something like, oh no,
they're they're not the bad guys. It's just like this,
that and the other. They're like they're the institution or whatever.
It's it's like all this like you know, really long
stuff Like I don't think people, I'd say, like the
majority of people don't watch Star Wars to like think
about stuff like that too deep for the most part.

(45:45):
They like, I think folks just want to be entertained
by just watching TV, right, And like, if you watch
this show, the Jedi are the bad guys, like straight
up you can look at like if you're if you're
like a Star Wars fan and you want to look
into that deeper, well then you're like, oh no, like
this was like part of their downfall or whatever. Like
you know, the Clone Wars kind of like critiques the Jedi, right,

(46:07):
but like no, like they like they're straight up the
bad guys, you know what I mean. So yeah, I
don't know. It's like it's off. It definitely feels off.

Speaker 2 (46:16):
Yeah, and it's like the only Jedi that you can
possibly say would be one of the good ones, would
be sold. But then there's moments with Soul where you're like,
the fuck is he doing? That's not very Jedi of him,
you know what I mean? And this is supposed to
be during the High Republic era, and I also do
understand that this is definitely near the downfall or the
end of the High Republic era, Like I like, I

(46:37):
understand that, but you just don't quite get the sense
that they were ever good in the beginning of the show.
You don't get this like, oh my god, they're actually
turning bad feeling just.

Speaker 1 (46:50):
Very weird stuff like I could get behind it, like
a like a show where like the villain is a
focus and you kind of want it, Like if the
villain is like making good points, is like, oh yeah, no,
you know, like great villains like that are honestly like
he to like shows or movies like kill like, yeah, Thanos,
he makes good points. He's like, oh yeah, no, Like

(47:12):
you're you're kind of fucked up, but at least I
know you're coming from, you know, like kill Monger is
an awesome villain, The Joker in the Dark Knight awesome villain.
They're just like villains that like are just trying to
make a point, you know, and mayor Osha like are
not like that. Like it's like I don't I don't
want to like side with them because they didn't really

(47:34):
like do or say like anything like and none of
the villains really did, so yeah, I don't know. I
feel like they tried going for like a yeah, no,
it's it's it's rough.

Speaker 2 (47:45):
Yeah. And if you're ever gonna compare villains to within
its own war, I mean, Vader's probably top three best
villains of all time. Like, yeah, Vader definitely has a
point and has a great story arc. It's like you
just don't know where to put your emotions in the show,
Like you don't know what to get invested in. And

(48:06):
that's the whole point of watching a show, like like
Game of Thrones, Like you get him super invested into
several different characters, then you get disappointed, to let down
and heart broken and it's like, I don't know it
just again, like.

Speaker 1 (48:19):
Either either want to get behind characters root for them,
or you want to witness their downfall.

Speaker 2 (48:24):
Right, and like or you don't want to witness their downfall,
but you witness their down and fall, but it's like
so well done that you're like, holy fuck, Like yes,
my heart's broken, but god damn, that story arc was
fucking crazy.

Speaker 1 (48:38):
And the show had had none of that, none.

Speaker 2 (48:41):
Of And again it goes back to what you're saying,
like about I'm sure you're talking about it more, but
like getting a season two, like it's just not gonna
fucking happen one hundred and eighty million dollars for fucking disappointment,
and I don't think so.

Speaker 1 (48:52):
Oh, we we actually should talk about this real quick.
We should talk about the cameos.

Speaker 2 (48:57):
Oh yeah, that was what I was That was what
I was waiting for. That was like I really wanted
to talk about. Not all I want to talk about.

Speaker 1 (49:03):
But yeah, so okay, so we got two pretty big
cameos in this got Darth Plagas and we got Yoda.
Darth Plagas shows up for like two seconds this this
drop happened, and like everyone was celebrating online. But even
even when I saw it, I was like, Okay, that's
pretty cool. But the rest of the show's ass. So
it's like Why why am I gonna get pumped over

(49:26):
this when season two isn't even like confirmed or like
even will happen. Like we mentioned the Yoda cameo on
another episode, I feel like like okay to me, and
I want to get your take on this after it
as well. I don't think Yoda is like like in
the in the prequel trilogy. I don't think he knew
like anything about what was going on, Like I I

(49:47):
don't think he is like like Vnestra told him all
that stuff and is like working with Vanestra to hide
what happened with like Soul and all those other Jedi,
and like Vnestra is also out here talking about like oh,
like don't let It's very kind of like relates to
like our own like real life world or Vanessa's like,

(50:08):
oh don't let like the actions of like one Jedi
like bring down like you know, the public's outview of
like all of us, like it was just like one
bad egg, you know what I'm trying to get at.
So that that's like Vanessa is very much like feeling
like that. So I think she's just she's going to
like paint a picture to Yoda. Yeah, I just don't

(50:30):
think that like Yoda is involved with covering anything up
in the preol Children, I think, and if I think,
I think Vanesta is gonna like spin it her own
spin her own tail to like keep like public of
opinion of the Jedi in like a more positive light.

Speaker 2 (50:47):
And like, I don't think that's what they're trying to
do with dropping Yoda, you know, as a cameo there,
because like there's no way you're tainting that fucking character ever,
do not do that. Yoda's a fucking goddamn saint. And
but then you know, we we briefly texted back and
forth about it a little bit, and it's like okay, well, okay,

(51:08):
so Vanasha's lying to everybody, and then Kyati Monday's in there.
So you're like, okay, there's two people now on the
Jedi Council in the prequel trilogy. They're like, oh, the
sit back, the sit they're back, But how did that happen?
But now they're making a story where two of those
characters on the Jedi Council knew that they were coming back. Potentially, Uh,

(51:31):
they didn't do anything with Kyati Mondy. So I don't
know what the Fuck's up with that? Yoda?

Speaker 1 (51:35):
What the fuck, dude, Like, it's just like.

Speaker 2 (51:37):
They didn't do anything else with Kyati Monday and then
so Yoda. It's like even in the prequel trilogies, Yoda,
you know, Yoda says like, you know, everything's caluted by
the dark Side, you know, hard to see the future.
Is is he in that same position here in this
timeframe in the High Republic where the Jedi is supposed
to be like at their peak, or what the fuck's

(51:58):
happening with that? So it's just another question that I
would like to have answered, but I don't want it
to be answered by the same people who are making
this show. And I don't know, like, I don't think
there's any way, like, even if there is a season
two that ven Astra is gonna be able to spin
her fucking tail, uh to Yoda, even though she's spinning
her own tail of what happened to Osha and May

(52:21):
to May's brain wiped brain. That whole thing is weird too.
I don't even know if we brought that up.

Speaker 1 (52:27):
She got brainwashed right there, and Ben is just looking
at somebody that looks exactly like her and just kind
of like where's thot DoD They just want do? They
just walk away? Like what is going on there?

Speaker 2 (52:39):
It's just like spinning a web of webs that don't connect.
But the other cameo Plagas is the most interesting thing
in the show to me, because we also briefly chatted
about this too. Okay, so not to go too deep
into it, but so Plagas was obsessed with, you know,
manipulating medichlorian's and he wanted to know how to create
life out of just raw medical oreians however you want

(53:02):
to say it. So there's this question that also needs
to be answered. So did were may and Osha slash
Mayosia the two people the one person? Did the Witches
learn this ability from Plagas to create life from the
force from Plagas? Or did the witches learn how to

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do this and Plagas learned about this and then was
started becoming obsessed with that from the Witches. At face value,
it's the most redeeming thing about the show. But it's like, Okay,
they have nowhere to go with this now. If I'm
not getting a season two, they gotta nowhere to go.
They have to make a separate fucking project. About chime
here or start doing a show off the Plagas book.

(53:46):
It's just like conflicts my brain even more, like why why,
Like you could have dropped Vegas earlier and then wrote
the show more with him, because even just the name
of the show the acolyte makes more sense, like Kaimer
is the acolyte to Plagis and then you know, talk
less about Ocean may. I don't know, Okay, I don't know.

Speaker 1 (54:07):
I feel I'm glad, I'm glad we're here. This is
where my head canon's at when it comes to Leslie Headland.
I do think that she is like genuinely like a
Star Wars head but I think this is a scenario
where the creator and the studio like butted heads, and
like the studio executive butted heads, and this is where
like the studio executives like kind of like come out

(54:28):
on top and and that's unfortunate, you know. So anyways,
real quick, before we move on from the cameos, just quick, thing,
cameos don't save like a fucking show or a movie.
Just because you drop like a two second clip of
characters that could have led the show, like, it doesn't
redeem the extremely low lows of the entirety of the

(54:50):
act Lite. Anyways, Yes, I do like where your head's
at when it comes to like, Okay, you should have
dropped Plagast earlier and he was the acolyte to Plagas,
and play is like to Nebris right is like the master.
He's like the puppet master or whatever. Like That's how
recontextualize the show, is like, you have way too many
characters that are gone, like early in the season that

(55:13):
seemingly a lot of Star Wars Twitter obsessed over, like
everyone loves Yord and everyone loves Jackie. I didn't really
care for them. But if I were to remake the show,
you drop Jord, you drop Jackie, you drop the twins,
and then you rework the show to focus on Kyme
here like I said, it could have been like and
or like you could you could have the show focused

(55:34):
on Kymere and also do like the the external investigation
of the Jedi. I feel like with less characters you
can toss in that other storyline in there. So yeah,
that's that's kind of where I'm at.

Speaker 2 (55:45):
That that's like, yeah, like drop drop the whole murder mystery,
like even take freaking in Darra out of there, like
taking Dar out, Like I mean, I love Carrie A.
Moss and I love like the opening fight scene of
the the pilot episode, but like, drop all of that,
make it just about Chrimeer and how Kymeer is gonna

(56:06):
kill those four Jedi. Then make Plagus the mysterious like
mass one, and we have to figure out who he is.
That's where all the anticipation is. And then if they
drop who Plagas is and then cameo Tenebris for that
quick brief moment, then you got yourself as a fucking show. Imo.

(56:26):
That's that's all I'm saying. Because if you're gonna if
you're going to cameo Plagus, I mean, if you think
about it this way, Plagas is the master to the
second most, if not the most powerful person in the
entire Skywalker saga. Sidius is by far either number one
or number two most powerful person in the whole Skywalker saga.

(56:48):
If you're gonna drop the master of that person, it
better means something, and it just doesn't seem to mean something.
But like you said, cameos don't save a show, and
that works both ways. That works both way is from
the production side of things, and also from the audience
side of things.

Speaker 1 (57:04):
Right, No, I feel like they drop all these things
and they have all these loose threads all throughout the
show because it feels like they are really banking on
a season two. And now that brings me to the question,
there's there's now a like there's a hashtag going on online.
It's hashtag renew the act Lite.

Speaker 2 (57:24):
No God, yeah, no, I I even a awful thread
to go around.

Speaker 1 (57:32):
Yeah, I know, like if if you are listening, I've
seen you post renew the act Lite because he liked
the finale, like, bless his soul. Where where are you
at with with renew the act Lite. Nope, obviously we'll
watch it if they do. But and I fear that,

(57:53):
like I'm not gonna I'm not gonna call for it,
Like there's no way I'm not interested in like a
season two, even though even though you did drop these
like little tidbits of like interesting stuff in there, I'm
not interested at all unless it was completely reworked with
like a whole new team and like a whole new
team and it was like renamed, like if it just

(58:15):
wasn't the act Lite at all, and you just focused
on chime here and did like you drop it like
you drop all the characters just reworked to rework to
a focus on like yeah, like like I said, Chimere
is like the saving grace of it all. But even so,
even by the end, you don't really know what Kymer wants,
which kind of sucks.

Speaker 2 (58:35):
Well, like he wants a pupil. But then you're like, okay,
well now you just dropped play Kiss. So are we doing?
Like I okay, so like backtracking a little bit, No,
no season two. Reallocate all the funds you would use
to make a season two, save it for all the
future projects they already announced at the last Star Wars

(58:57):
celebration with the timeline that they announced. Just save it
for that, and let's wait for Skeleton Crew to come
out later this year. Like let's just watch Skeleton Crew
now that Like I feel like now that because what's
really interesting is that, like we when we talked about
Star Wars celebration, I feel like we put the Acolyte

(59:17):
on a higher pedestal in terms of like what we
were excited about then we did Skeleton Crew. But now
it's like I feel like we're so disappointed with the Acolyte.
Like now we're like, okay, we probably already think Skeleton Crew.
We already thought Skeleton Crew is gonna be like kind
of okay or whatever. But now that this tanked Skeleton
Crew is probably gonna pump up like two points, you know,

(59:39):
even just watching the pilot.

Speaker 1 (59:41):
I really hope. So I hope. I mean, I hope
so I want to like it. I want to like
Skeleton Crew.

Speaker 2 (59:46):
Our disappointment with Star Wars is gonna just go to
the all time fucking gut or low, and we're gonna
be like, all right.

Speaker 1 (59:52):
They gotta do something. They gotta do something because it
is looking so bleak right now.

Speaker 2 (59:58):
I was it was like three in the morning, and
like I'm a late swing person, so that's not like
that late for me. But like, Bro, I was just
laying in bed, I was getting ready to sleep, and
I was like, you know what, I'm just gonna pop
on a Star Wars show and watch the pilot. And
then because I was thinking about the accolade and just
like you know, compare some apples to apples or apples warms,
just however you want to say it. Bro, I just
watched the fucking first episode of the fucking first season

(01:00:20):
the Mandalorian, and I was like, dude, this shit's sick.
This shit just feels like Star Wars out of the
gate bro, Like yeah, it just like even though the
ensuing episodes like for the most part, like they they're
not like bangers by any means, but like, this is
a Star Wars show right here, and like this is
the first of its kind. Like well, they did do

(01:00:42):
a lot of the Mandalorians and talked about the Mandalorians
and a lot of Mandalorian arcs and like the animated shows,
but this is Star Wars and like the music, the characters,
the like just the ominous feeling of the first episode
being introduced to a character that were like immediately invested into.
And obviously I feel that way even more now after
watching The Acolyte, but like I kind of have to

(01:01:04):
do that comparison, you know, just to like cement what
I'm feeling about The Acolyte is true to me.

Speaker 1 (01:01:11):
No, And the thing about The Mandalorian too, with this
with its first season is that even though it took
place like within the Skywalker Soka, I wasn't ever wondering, like, oh,
when's Luke Skywalker gonna show up. You know that I
was like one of the surprises of season two, right,
And like I was. I was, honestly, I would have
been fine if Luke never showed up in the season
two from now. It feels a different, It feels different Jedi.

(01:01:32):
That would have been fine. Like I wasn't pining for it,
but it was a nice surprise and it was.

Speaker 2 (01:01:36):
Fine, right, And even just the cast, I mean, you
had John Color, John Colors, you know, you had freaking
Pedro Pascal freaking uh, oh my god, which character, Oh
my gosh, you know her name, freaking Bocaton, Bokaton, creeze,
oh k, Katie Sakoff, Katie Sakoff, freaking I mean, even

(01:01:58):
the actor that played the freakin' oh obviously at Carl
Weather's rest and peace, fucking big rest in peace. Even
the actor that played.

Speaker 3 (01:02:07):
I have a whole come tono of best car waiting
for you upon completion of the mission, the guy who
plays that character, like the one who he's a big
name actor though.

Speaker 2 (01:02:18):
Yeah, but he's I don't even know his name. He's
fucking badass in the show, Like I don't know. There's
just like so many elements of just and I feel
like I did say this on the last pod. It's
just and to kind of agree with SWT a little bit,
like it is terrible story story writing. It just is
in just general outside of Star Wars.

Speaker 1 (01:02:40):
Well, we don't have to agree with SWT to like
to know that the act lie was bad.

Speaker 2 (01:02:45):
Yeah right, right, No, no you don't. But it's just
so like sad that I like find myself in a
position where I'm actually kind of hating on a Star
Wars project. I mean, it just it's upsetting because it's like,
you know, Star Wars in in a sense is you know,
kind of my religion, and it's like the Star Wars
God's letting me down a little bit.

Speaker 1 (01:03:06):
You know, No, man, it is. It is disappointing for sure. No,
I'm gonna know on renewed acclte low key if he
gave it to Tony Yilroy, the guy who did and
or maybe but let.

Speaker 2 (01:03:20):
Him like keep let him finish in or season two,
like yeah, let Dave Filoni take the reins on it.
He could probably whip some shut up like in a
heartbeat and fucking save it. You know that's true if
you were to, like if I were to take a
show for Star Wars and say here is your starting point.
Here's like your template of how to make a Star

(01:03:43):
Wars show. Ahsoka would be it because it's not like
the greatest show ever. It's not the worst show ever.
It's just like it's Star Wars. Like there's bad things
about it, there's really good things about it. It's entertaining,
it's got like most of the elements of Star Wars
that you want can god the whole, like the Anakin
flashbacks and like the Ahsoka anagain, like in the world

(01:04:06):
between Worlds is absolutely amazing. It's just like that would
mean my template for a show, a live action show.
But I'm not gonna say, like, yeah, it's my absolute
favorite Star Wars show.

Speaker 1 (01:04:15):
Ever. I feel like even Feloni would have a hard
time salvaging the Acolyte.

Speaker 2 (01:04:21):
I don't know, well, it's the same thing for him.
He has, like Ahsoka is his pride and joy of
a character like he he needs to focus on that.
So I guess one of my last and final thoughts
is like, that's like one thing that a lot of
like Star Wars, either podcasts or like pages or whatever,
saying like have you ever seen the Star Wars page
where it's the two dudes that are sitting on couches

(01:04:42):
and they're in the fucking storm Trooper helmets. But like
a lot of like like that page s WT, like
all these other pages they kind of just say like
all this stuff is not going in like George Lucas's
vision of Star Wars, and it's like, well, then where
is George Lucas. Okay, he's not involved in it. Then
it's like obviously not in his vision. So like I
feel like that kind of like comment is just like

(01:05:05):
defeats itself. I mean, it definitely isn't in George Lucas's vision,
but like he's not involved. So it's a weird conundrum,
you know.

Speaker 1 (01:05:13):
With all that to say again, I'm gonna know on
renew the Acolyte, Yeah, what are you giving it out?
A five?

Speaker 2 (01:05:21):
Well, I feel like we final final thoughts, Final thoughts,
We final thoughts, final score. We went from one to four,
staying around with three five, bumped it up to like
a three and a half, and now we're back down.
Tom gonna say, just back down to a three. Like
I think the finale was good. Without the finale, I
was gonna say two point eight, but with the finale,
I'll say a three. I mean this is about two

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point nine.

Speaker 1 (01:05:44):
Yeah, No, I'm definitely in the two's higher than two
and a half. Maybe maybe like yeah, two point two
point seven to five or something two point two point
nine maybe, I don't know, but definitely under three for me.
Like it had one good episode quote unquote good and
then the rest of it is just like you know, hard,
hard to get behind anybody. Yeah, it just doesn't make

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any sense.

Speaker 2 (01:06:08):
But yeah, alright, rest in piece of the Acolyte, Rest
in peace of the Acolyte.

Speaker 1 (01:06:13):
It gets renewed, all right, whatever, Fine, I guess, but uh,
it's a no from us, folks. If you've made it
this far, thank you so much for listening. Episode one two.
We'll we'll talk it over, but until then, thanks for listening,
and we we'll catch you guys next time.

Speaker 2 (01:06:31):
So peace, May the four still be with you, May
the four.

Speaker 1 (01:06:34):
Still be with you? Yes, yeah,