The Current State of Star Wars Plus ‘Daredevil: Born Again’ Eps. 1-4 Thoughts

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Speaker 1 (00:15):
What up, folks, and welcome to the Kybri Culture Episode
one thirty six with myself, Deepak and t Bone s Pimoni.
We were finally back after what it feels like it
has to be at least three months, because the last
episode we put out was I think New Year's Eve
twenty twenty four, and this is the first time we're

(00:37):
hopping on the mic in twenty twenty five. But we're back.
We're very excited to talk about a little Star Wars
stuff and Daredevil born again. We are fucking back with Daredevil.
Before we get into that stuff. Aaron, how's it been, man,
how's it been since the last time we potted?

Speaker 2 (00:58):
How does this?

Speaker 1 (00:58):
What was that? What?

Speaker 2 (01:00):
It's just microphone work?

Speaker 1 (01:03):
What is this thing? Just a thing?

Speaker 2 (01:05):
Feels like it's just foreign to me. I don't know, dude.

Speaker 1 (01:09):
I had to brush the webs off a little bit.

Speaker 2 (01:11):
Webs are gone, you know, like dusted around this mic. Man.
It feels so good to be back. I'm I'm very
happy to be here recording another episode. I've been I've
been good man. The Deep Winter arc is almost finally over.

(01:32):
You know, Winter's Winter's hard man. No matter where you live,
you know, how cold is it out there. It's not
that cold. So the coldest it got here, like deep winter,
was like seventeen degrees or something like that. But honestly,
I'm fine with the cold. It's not that it's like
the short days. So like winter solstice, it's dark by

(01:54):
four forty five in the afternoon and just like you know,
it's already Seattle, you don't get a lot of sunlight.
I mean, I've done this eight times. I've been here
for eight winters, and it's it's nothing new. But it's like,
no matter what you do, no matter how much vitamin
do you take, it's it's still tough. You know, days
are getting longer. You know, did some spring cleaning the
other day. It felt great puzzling through work. You know,

(02:17):
it's always you know, working in emergencies always hard, but
it does. It definitely has its its benefits and you
definitely have your feel good moments. Playing a ship ton
of Magic the Gathering, as as always, that's a never
ending story and financially it's an ending story, but it's
just playing the game. It's so it's so much fun.

Speaker 1 (02:39):
Hold on, hold on. Before we move on from Magic
the Gathering, let's quickly talk about the new the new page. Dude,
O plug the new page.

Speaker 2 (02:48):
Oh you want to plug? Damn, I've never played besides
the toilet.

Speaker 1 (02:53):
Yo, where did that come from? That's wild?

Speaker 2 (02:58):
I don't know, pulled it out of my Oh okay, never.

Speaker 1 (03:01):
Mind, yeah, I know. Let's what do you mean, let's chill.

Speaker 2 (03:06):
Let's we're approaching our olden days. So I have a
new Instagram page. It's called Trigger Missers. If you don't
know what that means, like Magic the Gathering, why is it?
It pretty much means like you missed a lot of
your plays. You're not doing what your belt, your your

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deck is supposed to do. I just thought it was
a really funny name. If you know Magic the Gathering,
like and you've ever played a game before, you're always like,
oh wait, I miss a trigger? Can I go back
and do that? And the other like you know your
opponents are like, nah, you can't. Sorry, you know you
messed up. But it always depends on like what table
you're playing at and like who you're playing with. But yes,

(03:47):
new Instagram page for me, I haven't posted a whole
lot yet. I'm trying to get myself into the mentality
of like posting a lot of content and trying to
kind of bring it back to my old Twitch days
of like just don't think about it too much. Just
put content and you'll see what happens, and just yeah,
just keep posting and you know, share share some Magic

(04:07):
the gathering theories, like ideas, favorites, you know, likes, dislikes
amongst like the magic gathering community. Because I've only been
in started playing Magic last year around this time, So
if you want to, you know, stop by and say hello,
uh trigger misss on Instagram. I'm only on Instagram right now.
We'll probably get cross platform here pretty pretty soon, relatively soon.

Speaker 1 (04:30):
But okay, so let me ask you this. What's untap,
upkeep and scoop because that's also part of the Instagram page.

Speaker 2 (04:39):
Okay, so the original that was going to be uh
that was another idea for the page name. So untap
upkeep draw is your first actions that you do on
your turn in Magic the gathering. You untap all your cards,
You upkeep, so any triggers that you have that say

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do this during your upkeep, and then you draw, you
draw a card from your library. The meme is like,
now you're untapping, you're upkeeping, and you're scooping, So scooping
means you just quit the game. So it's like it's
like nah, you know, sometimes you're playing a game and
you're like, there's no way I'm winning this game, and
you just mess with somebody. You're like, all right, I'm
gonna take my turn untap, upkeep, and a scoop. I'll

(05:25):
see you guys later. That was kind of my like
funny idea around the whole name.

Speaker 1 (05:31):
Hell yeah, yeah at trigger misss on Instagram, folks, Magic
Gathering fans.

Speaker 2 (05:38):
Yeah yeah, I'd love to talk about it. But also,
speaking of gaming, I started playing elden Ring again. So
my roommate, one of my best friends resting, he started
playing again and he has this whole bet thing going
on with like his brother and his brother's friends. But
there is another elder Ring game coming out this year.

(06:00):
I think people already have their hands on a copy,
even if it's in beta. But I played through it again.
I regret it and love it at the same time.
Because anybody who's played a Dark Souls game, Joe, I
know you've played, you played ellen Ring for a little bit.

Speaker 1 (06:16):
I made an attempt I made an attempt.

Speaker 2 (06:18):
It's not an easy game to be like, yeah, I'm
I'm playing this thing all the way through. But I
did another play through and then I did a new
game plus game play through, and I just did every
single just main boss and just progress through the story.
I want to buy the expansion, but it also sounds
really hard to so I don't know. But it was

(06:40):
really nice like picking it up again and like thinking
about how George R. R. Martin like helped shape this landscape
of the game, and like it's really one of the
only things besides Game of Thrones that we've seen this
sort of a high fantasy mythos kind of thing be
realized on a screen this way. Like the game is

(07:02):
just so cinematic, and it's so good and the story
so good. Enjoy the play through again, but I don't
think I'll be doing a second new game plus. We'll see.
We'll see though, We'll see if I get bored.

Speaker 1 (07:15):
So is the is the next game like a proper
like sequel to the game, or is it more so
like like a DLC.

Speaker 2 (07:23):
It is it isn't is a new installment of the game,
but it's cooperative. You can play with.

Speaker 1 (07:29):
Three people some pals.

Speaker 2 (07:32):
Yeah, which Dark Souls and games are from. Soft games
are not knowing, not known for doing that. They're usually
just single player, hardcore RPGs. So I'm very interested to
see some gameplay when it comes out, like some live gameplay.
I assume it's gonna be like exponentially harder considering you
have people to play with. I mean, the elden Ring

(07:54):
world is just amazing to be in, or like any
Dark Souls world essentially, But it's been fun, I mean
outside of that, like gaming entertainment wise, keeping up with Daredevil,
waiting for Indoor season two, and just chugging along in life. Man,
Just what about you, dude, how you.

Speaker 1 (08:13):
Been since we recorded last. I've started my second year
in New York and meaning that I've moved into a
new apartment. And that's kind of like part of the
reason why it's like been so long at least for
me anyway, to like record something new, just because you know,
the stresses of moving, figuring out what my bedroom setup

(08:36):
is gonna be, like like where all my shit's gonna go.
I have to like furnish the apartment like this, that
and the other. It's it's been nuts, but we're we're
here recording new episodes. So the apartment's good. I really
like the new spot that we're in. It's actually pretty
funny because I live right on top of a bar,
and and I'm pretty sure I've told you this before,

(08:57):
but so we're my apartment's technically the first floor and
right under us as a is a bar. And right now,
like we're recording, it's a Thursday, and I'm surprised that
I don't hear any music right now. So typically it's
like Thursday through Sunday there's just a constant like kick

(09:18):
beat drum just going on all throughout the night until
the bar closes down. So like from like ten pm
to like three am, there's just a constant and I'm like,
god damn, like people legit go hard, like especially on
a Friday and Saturday, like that should go to four am.
Like it's one of those bars in New York that
stays open all fucking night. And honestly, if I typically,

(09:44):
I like, it's not distracting to me because at my
old apartment, it was in a like maybe like ten
bucks down from where I currently am now. The type
of noise that you'd get over there, is like police sirens,
like people screaming in the streets, because we were right
outside like a like a Broadway theater and people always

(10:04):
hung out outside to like wait for the cast to
come out, and then they like scream and cheer whenever
they see somebody. That shit was nuts, and my windows
were like very well insulated, so I pretty much heard everything.
Uh So I think I'm happy to have like a
constant like muffled noise versus like a shocking like every

(10:26):
now and again hearing like a loud ass siren, or
like people fighting in the streets. Like there have been
times where I woke up at like two or three
in the morning, and it's because people are fighting like
right downstairs, Like Jesus Christ, what's going on out here?

Speaker 2 (10:40):
Or it's like so so bad. You're like laying in
bed trying to sleep, and you can hear like a
couple are you like on the street, and you're like
you're you're beyond tired of it that you get to
the point where you're trying to like figure out who's
gonna win the argument, you know what I mean, Like
you're actually like that involved in it.

Speaker 1 (10:58):
It's like damn. It was like they're each eacht side
is making some points here like I don't know, and
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (11:04):
This is crazy.

Speaker 1 (11:05):
Sometimes you get invested into the lore. Yeah, I don't
get any any arguing here unless someone's arguing like in
the hallway and no, man, I'm just chilling new uh no,
new Instagram page. On my end, we're still just running
the socials on Kuyperculture. But I don't know, maybe maybe
some changes are coming, Like I want to try try

(11:26):
starting this up again, be more consistent and maybe like
talk about like you know, like I still go the
movies every weekend. I try to watch like maybe one
or two movies a week. I wanted to do like
a top ten of twenty twenty four podcast, but didn't
really work out just because I was moving and shit.
Maybe maybe even movies that are like outside the realm
of sci fi. Yeah, if I if I have something

(11:48):
to say about it.

Speaker 2 (11:50):
For sure.

Speaker 1 (11:51):
Are you ready to talk some Star Wars?

Speaker 2 (11:53):
I am ready to talk some Star Wars. I've we've
got some some interesting, pretty interesting stuff that talk about.

Speaker 1 (12:01):
Yeah, no, we we got some. We got some takes
here because there have been like interesting news developments that
have happened over like the past few weeks. So let's
get into it. First thing I want to talk about.
I mean, I don't have many thoughts on this, only
the fact that I've I feel like I've been asking
for it and manifesting it for like at least like

(12:22):
three or four years to get Revenge of the Sith
re release in theaters for its twentieth anniversary. We actually
got it, and we got like a pretty sick poster
for for the re release. It's pretty awesome, Like I
gotta buy that shit and hang it up on.

Speaker 2 (12:40):
The wall or get on like a rug or something.

Speaker 1 (12:42):
You know. Yeah, I know, Revenge of the says rerelease.
It comes out, I think, uh like later in April
next month. I think it actually comes out around the
time of Star Wars celebration in Japan. Will you gotta
be you gotta be pulling up to the Revenge of
the cythe.

Speaker 2 (13:00):
I so I did not do it for phantomendacent and
they did it for Attack of the Clones too as well,
right like they did it for they didn't didn't they
do it for.

Speaker 1 (13:10):
I don't know if they did it for Attack of
the Clones, but I do recall them doing it for
like some of the trilogy.

Speaker 2 (13:18):
Okay, yeah, I'm pulling up.

Speaker 1 (13:21):
I'm there, like, but you gotta go on, like I'm
gonna try to go on like an opening busiest night, Yeah, yeah,
the busiest night, because like that's when the energy is
gonna be sick. Like everyone's gonna like I'm hoping that everyone,
just like everyone in Unison is just like must the Skywalker.
They're too many of.

Speaker 2 (13:41):
Them, do not. Damn, I was thinking something different. I
was thinking, like the opening credits roll out right, and
then it cuts to the opening scene and everybody just
goes and I hope you can hear this on the mic.

Speaker 1 (14:02):
Oh yeah, I know that that shit goes great. That's
that's one of our that's one of our great.

Speaker 2 (14:06):
Like like just movie, Damn, Joe, you're trying to have
everybody like you're trying to have everybody just like, No,
I can't wait and see the Young Wings get slain again.

Speaker 1 (14:21):
No, I want, like I want the whole theater to
like quote that. And then once in Cain ignites his
lights over, everyone just starts cheering. Damn.

Speaker 2 (14:31):
What you know about happened on opening night of the
original release. Everywhere, like there's no wayn't.

Speaker 1 (14:37):
No, it'll be ever be different at some Yeah, yeah
it'll it'll be different this time because everyone knows this scene.

Speaker 2 (14:45):
Everybody knows what happens, God damn. And you know everybody's
gonna do the whole dialogue, Oh we won and Anakin
on Moustafar. Everybody's gonna do that. Like, yeah, I'm pulling up.
I'm pulling up because like.

Speaker 1 (15:04):
Justice my new Empire, you are not killing me.

Speaker 2 (15:13):
I like, I feel like I feel like Revenge of
the Sith for me and you and like other Star
Wars fans of our generation, it's like this is our
return of the Jedi. And I don't mean it just
because it's like the third movie of a trilogy. It's
just like this epitomizes Star Wars for us, you know,
like it had the like the best story, like we

(15:35):
saw aagain turn to Vader, best choreography, best music, like
of all the Star Wars movies we've seen prior. I
gotta pull up. I gotta hit. I gotta fucking I
gotta hit the nostalgia train. I have to.

Speaker 1 (15:50):
I hope they offer in, like I'm pretty sure they'll
offer in like Imax and all that shit, but definitely the.

Speaker 2 (15:57):
Better have they better have caramel Hershey's is sour creamon
on your pringles and some pepsi because yeah, dude, that's
that's the way that we did in my house.

Speaker 1 (16:07):
Yeah, or you just gotta like buy some that yourself
and just bring it in on your own, because I
don't think they're gonna be selling like caramel Hershey kisses
or orles. Yeah dude. Revenge of the SYD three release
can't wait. But in terms of like new Star Wars
content that's coming out, got the first in or trailer.

(16:27):
I mean, me and you talked about this trailer because
we saw the leak. I forget out of which convention
it was. It was probably like D twenty three or
something where they showed like early footage. We pretty much
got most of the same footage with like little bits
and pieces of new stuff. But the thing that was
the jarring, like the most jarring thing to me was

(16:48):
obviously the music choice.

Speaker 2 (16:49):
It was weird.

Speaker 1 (16:52):
It was weird, Like I'm wondering why they did that,
and like, like one of my favorite shows on Hulu
is is the Bear, And usually like this is the
kind of music that they put on the Bear like
for for their trailers. Yeah, it was just an odd choice,
Like I wish they just use like the regular and

(17:13):
Or theme song. I mean, everything about the trailer looks
great cinematography wise, like that one shot him on Mathma
like legit looks like a over shoulder over shoulder. It
literally looks like a Renaissance painting like that. Shit was crazy.
There's that shot where it looks like lathol I don't
I don't know if it'll be lethal, but it looks

(17:33):
like it it's like a weak field and shit. But no,
I'm just I'm just really curious how how it all
turns out, because the release schedule for it is also
like kind of interesting they're doing. I think it's every
week they're doing three episodes. Between each three episodes, it's
like a four year time jump. That's kind of a lot.

(17:54):
It's like we get like a movie a week for
for and Or, and that sucks just because like it's
gonna be over and like there's twelve episodes. I mean,
I guess it's like a lot of content to binge
outa What do you think? What do you think of
the trailer? I I loved it. I can't wait for
the show. It's it's it's my favorite thing that like
Star Wars has done in the Disney era. But yeah,

(18:15):
what do you think?

Speaker 2 (18:16):
Yeah? Absolutely, I couldn't agree with that more. Well, just
to like kind of piggyback on what you're saying about
the song choice, it's like I feel like they were
trying to do this like Guardians of the Galaxy, like
Taiko Whydt kind of thing where it's like, yes, like
the actual actual instrumentation of the music doesn't pair up well,
but like the the lyrics and what the song means

(18:38):
pairs up perfectly.

Speaker 1 (18:40):
But it just it's type of song.

Speaker 2 (18:42):
Yeah, yeah, and it doesn't do it for this trailer
because we're like, guys, stop blowing this stuff, like stop,
don't don't do this again, not after what we've been
through a Star Wars fan, stop blowing it, like and
the whole like oh from the creators of the critically
acclaimed show, you know, like bringing other projects into and

(19:03):
Or to like reinforce that it's a really good show.
It's like we already knew and Or was a really
good show before you even put this into the trailer.

Speaker 1 (19:10):
Honestly, I didn't mind it mostly because like I think
why that stuff was in there was because and Or
I think had like lower viewership than The Acolyte, even
though like quality wise was much better. Just not a
lot of people. Not a lot of people saw it,
you know, which was a shame. That makes sense because

(19:31):
it's so good. So that's why they're like adding all
this stuff like that critically claimed show returns. Because I
noticed that too, I was like, wow, like they're really
trying to like tell us, like listen, this is a
good one.

Speaker 2 (19:43):
Right, Like, but I expect to see that that kind
of like advertisement, not in like a pre release trailer,
more of like the show's already out, but it's like
an advertisement on like cable television, you know what I mean?
Right to get But I but I understand that too,
like season two is going to be an absolute banger.
And am I not wrong that there is a second

(20:05):
trailer out there. I don't know if I watched a
fan trailer or what. But when they mentioned Palpatine, like
the isb is like we have full full all taxes
and levies like Palpatines issued this. You know what I'm
talking about.

Speaker 1 (20:21):
I do know what you're talking about, but I'm pretty
sure that was just a clip from the first season.
Ah yeah, I no, because they've been doing a lot
with the first season, like they I think they put
like the whole first season on YouTube for a little bit,
and they did like a live watch along or a
live Q and A with the creator Tony Gilroy about

(20:41):
the first season. They're really like pumping people like, like,
go watch this before season two.

Speaker 2 (20:48):
Well they got me. Yeah, well not like before, but
they got me.

Speaker 1 (20:52):
Yeah. No.

Speaker 2 (20:53):
But like talking about the actual official trailer, it's gonna
be insane, like seeing and or or in fucking piloting
the fucking plane, like locks on his missiles like right onto,
like the like the trucks that are going like through
the planes. Like it's it's gonna be so much more
action packed, and I hope it's just as story rich.

(21:16):
And they really do fill the gap between the first season,
and they already did it so well from Rogue one
to episode four, like they can do it again.

Speaker 1 (21:26):
Yeah, it's supposed to be like a perfect handoff from
like the finale of season two into Rogue one.

Speaker 2 (21:32):
Do you think you're gonna get anything from any character
that we haven't seen from an Animal series? From rebels.

Speaker 1 (21:41):
If we do, I don't think it'll be like anybody
for sensitive like maybe like some military officer or some rebel.

Speaker 2 (21:48):
You know, like not a major for sensitive character.

Speaker 1 (21:52):
Yeah, I think that'd be nice to do. Just that
it like stays like as its own thing, you know.

Speaker 2 (21:58):
Right, Like it like keeps its own eyes identity and
doesn't like, yeah, stitch the delve too much.

Speaker 1 (22:03):
Yeah. Yeah, just that it doesn't like delve into like
you know, like anything that's like to fan service y you.

Speaker 2 (22:10):
Know, right right. No, it's gonna it's gonna be amazing,
and I it is crazy to think about. It's gonna
be three episodes per week, so it's gonna be over
before we know it. And then we're waiting for.

Speaker 1 (22:20):
The next and whatever.

Speaker 2 (22:22):
The next star thing is Mandalorine Grogu for all we know,
unless they pull something out of Star Wars Celebration Tokyo.

Speaker 1 (22:31):
Yeah, I know, that's all I have on the and
or trailer. But uh, speaking of Mandoin Grogu, I mean
there's nothing new about it yet. I mean there might
have been like some casting news, but I forgot to
draw it down. But all we know right now, like
supposedly is that it's it's uh, it's got a like
around one hundred and sixty five million on hundred sixty
six million dollar budget, which is like the lowest for

(22:54):
a Star Wars movie in recent memory. Like everything from
the sequel trilogy was like at least three hundred maybe
even three point fifty kind of absurd. But granted those,
like all of them made over a billion dollars, even
though like Rise of Skywalker fucking sucked. Now. I always
keep on trying to like wonder why that is. And
it's just because like Star Wars is like a family movie,

(23:14):
like you can take your take all your kids to
go see it. You know, that cost for like five
movie tickets if you have like a family of four
or five, that's a lot of money, you know, So
counterd sixty six million, though, I mean, I guess that
kind of makes sense, just because I don't think like
the Mandalorian is like super flashy. I hope, uh. I

(23:35):
think maybe they'll drop the first looks and first teaser
probably at celebration at least, I hope.

Speaker 2 (23:41):
So yeah, And wouldn't you also save I feel like
you'd save a lot of money too, and be able
to put out just as good visual effects if they
use the same thing they used for the Mandalorian show, right,
what was it called, like the three sixty the three
sixty srenes with the volume. Yeah, like that, don't do
the whole movie with that, but like, yeah, you already

(24:03):
have the volume, so you don't need to put extra
money into like creat No, I think you're using it.

Speaker 1 (24:08):
A good part of it too, would probably be like
it's not going to be like super CGI heavy. They'll
probably do like maybe like shooting on location or like
I don't think Star Wars has ever been known for
like making fully CGI characters, like except for zeb.

Speaker 2 (24:23):
Star Wars came from practical effects and then into CGI,
but they haven't been known for doing full CGI. Yeah
I get that.

Speaker 1 (24:31):
Yeah, yeah, I know, so I guess it. I guess
it makes sense. I mean Grogu obviously is a puppet. Yeah,
so we'll see Mandoin Grogu. I hope we get some
new stuff out of that soon.

Speaker 2 (24:41):
Yeah, get an official trailer please, Like I just want
to know the plot and that's.

Speaker 1 (24:46):
It, Like what the fuck is this thing going to
be about? Yeah, who's going to be in this thing?
What are they going to be doing yeah, and.

Speaker 2 (24:53):
It's and it's sad to say that that's not that's
the most exciting news we have about Mandoin Grogu so far.
Like I just really hope that it number one and
or season two and we'll talk about this, but like
it pivots us back in the right direction and then
Mandoin Grogu like continues that.

Speaker 1 (25:12):
But another news, this one, this one was huge, even
though they like went back and forth on this a lot,
Like there was reports that Kathleen Kennedy was retiring. I
think a lot of people took this as like she
was getting the boot, but she's had like I mean,
maybe that's like a part of it, Like she she
had like some flops here and there. I actually saw

(25:34):
this graphic on how like during the Lucas era, like
his his all everything he did was either like very hot,
very good, or it was like very cold. And then
some of the stuff that was like very cold was
like probably you and I have never even watched like
it was like really random stuff. Pretty much with all
that to say, it was pretty much things that was
like like a like a star like that. It's like

(25:56):
an animated Star Wars droid show that I know ever
watched or heard of. There's an animated Star Wars, Ewok show,
an Ewok and Venture thing like it's just like random
stuff like that that would be classified as like bad.
So everything in the Lucas there was either like very
very very good or just like and then in the
Kennedy era there was like very good stuff, stuff that's

(26:22):
like kind of in the middle, kind of like a
mixed bag, like mixed received. And then she also had
bad stuff. I think that's fair like like mixed bag.
There's stuff that's like good, like I would classify like
and or is obviously elite. The first two seasons of
Mandalorian is elite. The final sure, the final arc of

(26:44):
the Clone Wars was elite god. And then the good
stuff is like Rogue One Rebels Ahsoka, you know, so
like she has like a decent mix. And then of
course the very very bad stuff is like Rise of
Skywalker the Act. I mean, I would I would say,
like ob One and Boba Fetter more of a mixed

(27:04):
bad but not really bad, but more of a mixed
like kind of in the middle on it.

Speaker 2 (27:09):
And I honestly wouldn't even throw Rise of Skywalker and
the Acolyte into the same category personally, but I definitely
watch on that, but.

Speaker 1 (27:18):
I definitely left Acolade a little more disappointed than Rise
of Skywalker. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (27:22):
I got way more visual pleasure out of watching Rise
of Skywalker than anything else that the Acolyte did. Yeah,
except for half a second of Plagis.

Speaker 1 (27:32):
Yeah, I know. So I mean, like, you know, Kathleen Kennedy,
I mean she has like good stuff. I feel like
people talk about her like everything she did was fucking
awful and like ruining Star Wars forever, and I'm like, dude,
there's some great stuff here.

Speaker 2 (27:46):
Yeah. So it's like it's kind of like George Lucas's spotlight.
People think that he like the amazing stuff that he did,
like he has nothing in between great and bad, but
his spotlight is always on. He started Star Wars, everything
he did was great. Nobody cares to watch the bad
stuff to get some perspective. But Kathleen kennedy spotlight is

(28:09):
only on the bad or even sometimes the mediocre. So
the spotlight is the same, but it's not shining on
the same thing like simultaneously for the two different which
isn't which isn't fair? And you also had a huge
buyout from Disney, which changes a lot of fucking things.
Like I understand because because when the news came out,
Joe was like, damn, Star Wars fans are about to

(28:30):
have a field day today. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (28:33):
No, I was not. I was not hyped about it.
I I was just like, dude, like if she is retiring,
like she had a she had a crazy run like
she like genuinely like she had like a great like
like one of the like better producer careers like ever,
like she and she had like Jurassic Park uptake, like yeah.

Speaker 2 (28:57):
George Lucas, like trying to fill those shoes fucking utry.

Speaker 1 (29:00):
No, like you have to like try to be like
creative and be able to drive business. So it's it's like, yeah,
I think she did, like you know, like she had Yeah,
it's it's whatever, like yeah. So pretty much what this
report was talking about is like there are rumors of
her retiring, but then she came out in another article
and pretty much just tried like setting the records traits
like I'm not retiring like by the end of the year,

(29:21):
but I like, you know, I am starting to look
to who would like trying to start planning like a
like an exit plan. I guess, yeah, not exit, but
like you know, like.

Speaker 2 (29:32):
Smooth tree plan for retirement, like retirement like four one
k's and all that stuff.

Speaker 1 (29:37):
So I'll see how it goes. Like I I like,
I hated the reaction to it, but it is what
it is. But the big, the big question is who
is your top choice to take up the mantle. I
mean there's one, like big obvious choice, but yeah.

Speaker 2 (29:54):
Well no, for me, it's like either one or one
and a half. Like it's either just Filony or it's
Filoni and Favreau. They kind of like share the role.
But I don't think that works in business, Like I
don't think anybody's ever been like a co president, you
know what I mean, Like you always have to have
like one or none. Well, no, that can't happen.

Speaker 1 (30:14):
That's actually that's actually how it is at UH at
Warner Brothers right now, because you know, James Gunn has
his own DC, you know, Cinematic Universe that he's building
up at Warner Brothers. He's sharing the mantle with with
this guy. I think his name's Peter Saffran or something
like that. So James Gunn is essentially like the creative

(30:34):
end of it, and the Saffaran guy is like the
business minded like we'll push like like he'll drive up
business and then James Gunn will handle like the projects.
That that's what I see, because it's likely going to
be Felony or Favreau or they share it like James
gun and Peter Saffran.

Speaker 2 (30:55):
Oh the wild theory.

Speaker 1 (30:58):
George Kevin Sike. Oh, yeah, that that would be a
that'd be an insane one.

Speaker 2 (31:02):
That's not impossible but very improbable.

Speaker 1 (31:06):
How old is he? Like like eighty?

Speaker 2 (31:08):
Is he old? Though like eighty he's eighty.

Speaker 1 (31:14):
I feel like you need someone a little younger. That's
why fa like Favreau and Foloni are like.

Speaker 2 (31:19):
Unless he was unless he was like an interim, you
know what I mean, like to help Kathleen Kennedy create
a smooth transition, like George Lucas is just going to
come back for like the interim and then help guide
Folony and for faux not like they need and I
don't think they need. They need guidance like my number one,

(31:40):
if it was one particular individual, it's felony. I just
think I'm not gonna sit here and say like Filony
has saved Star Wars, but Folony has definitely kept Star
Wars content solid throughout all of his projects. When you're
talking about that spotlight and like your career of like oh,
like Lucas had this extreme good and this extreme bad

(32:03):
and Kennedy had this some really good stuff'sro really bad
and like some in between stuff. I think Filoni's just
in that in between, Like he's just been rock solid.
He's like the Steelers, you know, like you just you
have a winning season every season, but you never make
it to the super Bowl. But this could be a
super Bowl. But what about you?

Speaker 1 (32:22):
It is likely gonna be Filoni and Favreau. I don't
think Filone can drive the business end. I think he
can like manage like like he should stay as a creative.
Favreau I think would be a better fit, mainly because
he knows Star Wars like Filoni probably knows Star Wars

(32:45):
better than Favreau does. But Favreau has been I feel
like he's been in the business longer as like a
director and a producer, and like he has like good
experience at Marvel, like he just I think he just
has a more well rounded look at the industry, So
I think Favre would be a good choice.

Speaker 2 (33:08):
Coloni wants to be a part of the business end of.

Speaker 1 (33:10):
It, but you need that end to like be the
head of of all that execute everything. Like, Yeah, something
that I've like, I've seen like idea's toss out there
is like, oh, and Ord's been great, you should just
give it to Tony Gilroy. I'm like, you can't make
all of Star Wars super serious in tone, like and

(33:33):
or you know, no, some of it has to be
light because at the end of the day, like you know,
I'm pretty sure George Lucas has said, like Star Wars
is like like he made the prequel trilogy for for us,
like for kids, you know, for our generation to grow
up with Star Wars.

Speaker 2 (33:46):
It needs to have different hues of color to provide
the same story, you know, or like the same idea,
not the same story, the same idea.

Speaker 1 (33:54):
Yeah, I'm out on a serious tone out on Tony Gilroy.
I don't really care for Kevin Fike that I think
that just be a weird decision, like just because he's
like the head of Marvel or whatever. I think you
could just stick over there, you know.

Speaker 2 (34:08):
Too much blending like within Disney. You know that that's
not no I'm thought of That thought never even crossed
my mind. I stick to your guns, you know.

Speaker 1 (34:20):
Or just somebody that's like young, fresh and new that
comes in with like different ideas. I don't know, but
if if I were to pick it, it'd probably be
probably be Fabreu if it's just but I guess I
guess the best case scenario would be Fabri and Felony.
That's a great monster. But with all this to say,

(34:42):
like what's your overall like as where the franchise stands
right now? Because let me preface this real quick. We
were recording podcasts about Skeleton Crew, and then I texted
you about this. I was like, I'll be honest with you, man,
I don't want to record it. But just about the
ending of Skelton grew mostly because like I didn't think

(35:04):
it was bad. I think Skeleton Crew just like was
the final nail in the coffin for me where I
was just like, this just feels like content at this point,
you know, it's like ry, yeah, it's dry, Like there's
nothing that I really wanted to like sink my teeth
into further than just saying like Yeah, No, it's cute.
It's a it's a cute kid show. It's nothing super

(35:26):
substantial about Star Wars. It's just content. And that's that's Laurie,
where my thought ends on the matter. Like for Skeeltic here,
like I will probably never watch it again.

Speaker 2 (35:34):
You know, I didn't even actually fully pay attention to,
like the final scene of the finale because I was like,
this isn't climactic at all. I'm not saying I expected
it to be, but it's just like me not watching
this doesn't subtract from my Star Wars viewing experience as
a whole, you know what I mean, Like, Oh, there's

(35:57):
nothing where you can like pause a specific scene like
oh and.

Speaker 1 (36:02):
Then want to try to break it down, you know,
try to.

Speaker 2 (36:04):
Break it down. Yeah, exactly, there's no like I almost
wanted to say, girthy content, but just like substantial content,
there's explain that heavy weight, there's some there's some circumference
around it, you know, like there's no but okay, but

(36:25):
I will say this too. The show. That show was
never advertised to be anything else than what it was,
Like it executed its identity like perfectly, which at the
same time you can't like tip your hat off to that, Like,
if you want to advertise something, you're you should be
expected to deliver the product. So there's no high praise there,

(36:46):
you know, Like it's not like nobody got ripped off,
nobody got in over their heads about it. It was
just like, let's fill the gaps until the next thing
kind of thing.

Speaker 1 (36:57):
Also, to me, it's skippable and it's forgettable.

Speaker 2 (37:03):
In the Star Wars timeline. It doesn't absolutely nothing, Like
you can't be like, here's the Star Wars timeline, put
Skeleton Crew in there. It doesn't even belong in there.
There aren't even any references to tell you what timeline
it's in, or at least no major ones.

Speaker 1 (37:18):
I don't know if they explicitly mentioned it. They honestly
they might, but I'm pretty sure it's supposed to take
place around the time of the Mandorian or something like that.

Speaker 2 (37:26):
Okay, they like Rogue Squadron or something like that. Like
there was a version of the X Wings that led
you to believe that it was it's the new episode six. Yeah,
it's the New Republic. It's not like you need to like,
if if you were to sit down and write everything,
I need to watch Star Wars chronologically to understand Star

(37:47):
Wars Skeleton Crew is not there. You know, it's not
and it's it's again. It's no hate on it. It's
just like it's like eating a bunch of chips throughout
the entire day, Like that's your meal, like empty calories?
Is it not? Empty calories?

Speaker 1 (38:03):
I mean no, that's that's pretty funny. That's pretty funny.

Speaker 2 (38:08):
Like, yes, you're still getting calories, but how much is
it actually doing for you? But yeah, I don't really
have much else to say about Skeleton Crew, Like I
I definitely missed the days of like the second an
episode of Mando drops. I already got this place fucking
locked in. You know I'm there.

Speaker 1 (38:27):
Yeah, nobody better be.

Speaker 2 (38:29):
Fucking clogging on my internet network.

Speaker 1 (38:31):
Yeah, fucking I'm shutting off every other device that's running
Wi Fi to make sure that whatever I'm watching Mandalorian
on is locked in.

Speaker 2 (38:45):
Exactly, if I see one piece of evidence of buffering,
I'm gonna my whole experience is ruined. Like that's that's
how locked in we were like at that time, I guess,
Like transitioning from the topic of Skeleton Crew, it's like,
where are we like, where are we now?

Speaker 1 (39:03):
Yeah? No, I mean it. I just feel like until
Andor comes out, it's like that's all we got. We
all we have a bunch of like announced movie projects
that can very much be canceled. Like here, hold on,
let me let me list, Like, I'm not gonna go
into this, but obviously we know Mando Grogu. There's this

(39:24):
dude like named Simon Kinberg. I forget what he does,
but he's supposed to gonna have his own Star Wars trilogy.
Ray's supposed to get a new Star Wars movie. There's
that down of the Jedi movie. All this stuff could
be Okay, this is the wildest one to me. I
don't know if I talked to you about this, but
Sean Levy, the director of Deadpool and Wolverine, he's supposed

(39:46):
to have a Star Wars movie starring Ryan Gosling.

Speaker 2 (39:49):
No fuck off, I'm like, what the fuck?

Speaker 1 (39:53):
Like, if there's like one movie that's gonna get canceled,
it's probably that one.

Speaker 2 (39:59):
Well and the well. There was also a period of time,
like not too long ago, that YT was gonna also
have a Star Wars movie. The producers that did Game
of Thrones were gonna have a Star Wars trilogy, Like
there's so many possibilities to keep getting thrown around of like,
but it's hard, Like it's hard, like who's gonna be

(40:20):
the next person or the next group of people or
companies that are really gonna get Star Wars back to
where it was. Let's say, just like in the twenty
year span, where it was from the Phantom Menace till
I would even say the Rise of Skywalker. Like we
had so much Star Wars content within that period that

(40:42):
we were constantly satiated. But now we're like cryogenically frozen
into floating space. Like we're still alive, but like we're
frozen and we can't do anything. And then we see
this glimmer of light that's and or season two, but
then after that, like it's just pure darkness again, which
is a really fucked up way to say that, but
that's I mean, that's just how I feel. Where's it at? Man?

(41:03):
Like my Star Wars enthusiasm has slowly been going down.
And it's not that I don't love Star Wars, it's
like where's the content?

Speaker 1 (41:11):
Where's the Yeah, at least where's like where's like the
where's the good ship, you know. But I guess like
if if there's one thing to like say about Kathleen
Kennedy at Star Wars is the fact that how many
announcements were made that weren't followed through on. Yeah, that's

(41:32):
like the I'd say, that's like her biggest fault. And
there's like, you know a number of reasons like why
productions get halted or whatever, like like the strikes could
have been part of it, or COVID was probably a
part of it. Yeah, man, it's just a bummer.

Speaker 2 (41:49):
I think that just because there's a loll within the content.
I just think that a loll is a good thing
because that means that there's too much divide within the
content and there's not enough creative ideas or there's not
enough people who have the power to make projects that
are listening to what the fans really want and they

(42:12):
don't have the ability to execute those projects right now.
You know, like how many times have we talked about
like ninety the Old Republic projects or you know, I'm
even down for the Dawn of the Jedi thing, Like
I love that, but like where is it? You know,
where's that? It's like they want.

Speaker 1 (42:28):
They just like it's it seems like they're just stuck
and can't get the ball rolling.

Speaker 2 (42:32):
Yeah, they're in like purgatory right now. And that's and
then we are feeling that as Star Wars fans, not
going to get too hopeful, but I will always be
hopeful that yeah, a new a new era of Star
Wars will come. And not to say it's truly dead.

Speaker 1 (42:47):
But now we're we're just kind of a too exciting.
I mean, of course, there's like stuff that everyone can
dig into, like new comics, new books, new new video games.
I don't know they're they're probably making a Jedi Survivor three,
but I think they are maybe someday.

Speaker 2 (43:05):
No, I'm pretty sure they Yeah, I'm pretty sure.

Speaker 1 (43:06):
They are, but who knows. Maybe they'll announce more things
to get excited about at celebration that won't come to
be well.

Speaker 2 (43:19):
Don't say that the other right way around, my fault, My.

Speaker 1 (43:30):
No, like stuff that will get announced that will come
to be yes, please, Yeah, So I'm looking forward to celebration.
I do think there will be like pretty cool announcements.
You know what they gotta do. They just got to
announce stuff and maybe share like a first look at it.
If it's something that's like brand spanking new that no
one has any idea, that's in development, and then they

(43:52):
say like, oh, we're doing this. Here's who's in it,
here's who's attached to it, here's the first look, like
here's like a here's like a posture or a picture
of it, like kind and like it it's currently in
production type thing.

Speaker 2 (44:05):
Kind of back to like the earlier Marvel phase announcements,
you know, where they actually had like actors and like
you got a sneak peek like we can't let Marvel
catch up to Star Wars, Like you better not let
Secret Wars outdo Star Wars right now, you know what
I mean.

Speaker 1 (44:23):
Marvel's kind of in a lull right now too.

Speaker 2 (44:25):
But but I'm saying they're doing more than Star Wars is.

Speaker 1 (44:29):
But I'd rather they, like because Marvel's just kind of
just like for a while, they're just pumping out as
many things as possible. I don't want Star Wars to
pump out as many things as possible, you know, I know.
But at least there's something, Yeah, that's okay, that's I
think that's a that's a good state of Star Wars. Well,

(44:50):
I think that's a good state of the union right.

Speaker 2 (44:52):
There too gassed up.

Speaker 1 (44:54):
Right now, we're hoping for for a brighter future with
Star Wars. But let's move into Daredevil. Previously there was
I think this was like in twenty fifteen, there was
like three seasons of Daredevil and Netflix tried to do
their own little superhero like a cinematic universe, if you will,
and then it stopped airing. I think, uh, I forget

(45:17):
when the last season, like when season three of Daredevil ended,
but it had been like years up until it was
revived by Disney plus because the rights diverted back to Disney.
Most of everyone is back, Like he got Vincentinofrio back
as Kingpin, Charlie Cox's as Matt Murdoch. I forget fucking

(45:37):
Karen's real names, but they're back to now. Her name
is Deborah and wool And then I don't know Foggy's
name at all, like a little bit, He's just Foggy,
can't lie to you. I was like a bit skeptical,
but once I saw that like he like once he

(45:59):
had like when Matt had his brief little cameos and
like Spider Man or she Hulk, it definitely seemed like
they wanted to maintain like the Netflix tone. I'd say
the show is very much accomplishing that so far. Like
it's it's like gritty, grounded, like soul feels intact, and

(46:23):
it's pretty much like more or less it's on par
with the Netflix show. But I'm really enjoying it so far.
It's only four episodes. Next time we get to watch
it again, I think they are dropping two episodes. It's awesome.
I'm really enjoying it. But what about you, erin It's
it's been a minute since you've, like, I feel like
since you watched Derek, because I've constantly like revisited Daredevil

(46:46):
just because it's like, especially when they announced they brought
it back, I definitely like rewatched it. I'm like, damn,
this ship is this shit fucking rules? You know.

Speaker 2 (46:54):
But yeah, yeah, yeah, And that's that's a great way
to say, Like, it's honestly been a long time since
I've revisited anything. Really, I've just been like full bore
into like different things, and this has been quite the
most pleasant surprise of a revisit. Also, I'll stop by

(47:17):
saying this, So when Daredevil was peaking so what do
we have at that time as well? Did we not previously?
Like Arrow was kind of peaking at that time too,
Like we had a lot of like single individual like
minor character, minor character, but solely focused on those characters
within their universe's shows happening kind of simultaneously.

Speaker 1 (47:40):
I mean that the MCU was already like well underway
when Dark Vole was was coming out. I think Marvel
was in like phase two, so like this is like
when Guardians of the Galaxy was coming out, Winter Soldier
was coming out, right, Like this was a pretty good
time for like superhero shit four twenty fifteen era was

(48:01):
was pretty awesome.

Speaker 2 (48:02):
And I feel like when I was watching Daredevil when
it came out, I was like, Okay, I'm absolutely loving
like the mc right now, Like I'm loving every like
you know, major motion picture that's coming out, like all
the the big blockbuster hits that are coming out, But
like Daredevil came out and I was like, oh, like
I don't really know anything about Daredevil, like from the

(48:25):
comics or any sort of like alternative war or like
our alternative media, So I'm like, how is this going
to pitch up against like these major motion pictures that
are happened happening. But I started watching the show and
I was like, damn, this is funny.

Speaker 1 (48:41):
Like for one, this shit's this shit's like gritty and
rated arms it's brutal.

Speaker 2 (48:45):
Yeah, Like I.

Speaker 1 (48:46):
Think it was like an episode like one or two
of season one of Daredevil, fucking Kingpin decapitates a guy
with a car door. Yeah, And I'm like Jesus.

Speaker 2 (48:57):
Rice, And it always comes like expectedly but unexpectedly sometimes,
you know, like when the grittiness really does hit. I
was thinking, like, how was a show like this gonna
pit up against like these monsters of like the MCU,
And it just did not disappoint throughout the entire first
installment of the show. But being born again, I have

(49:21):
no qualms of what I've seen so far. At first
I did. At first I did, and it was the
first fifteen minutes of the first episode. It was like
the pre scene to the to the title card. But
Joe had already kind of explained it to me before
we started recording. But here were my initial thoughts of
like why I didn't feel too invested into it because

(49:44):
it's like so like the cinematography and like the visuals
they felt like this weird, like dreamy kind of like
visual aesthetic to everything, you know what I mean, Like
it was kind of like everything was a little hazy.
Everything was a little like foggy. It's like, oh, that's
a triple entendre there. And it didn't fully like put

(50:05):
me back into like the Daredevil universe until they started
continuing to watch it.

Speaker 1 (50:13):
That's like one of my Yeah, I wouldn't say it's
a critique, I guess. I guess it's more so just
like a weird observation is that, like, yeah, visually it's
very different, go a little heavier on like green screen
and CGI and all that stuff. But I mean, you know,
it's not the worst thing I've ever seen, you know, No,
it's just it's just different from the Netflix show because

(50:34):
a lot of that stuff was done practically, and you
could you could just kind of tell that it's different,
you know.

Speaker 2 (50:40):
Yeah, yeah, it's pretty obvious that it's different. It was
hard for me to feel and describe why it was
different at first until like kind of like rethinking it
and like kind of talking about it a little bit.
But like regardless of the production value, like the visuals,
the audio and everything, that first fifteen minutes of revisiting
the show and remembering why forcing you to understand the

(51:05):
theme of the show. I'm not gonna lie. I was
not expecting to watch the first fifteen minutes of the
show and watch Foggy Nelson get a bullet to the heart. Okay.
So it was like fourteen minutes and thirty seconds or
what have you. And I'm like, okay, like this is okay.
And then you have you have Matt like running away
trying to find like he can hear the gun clicking

(51:27):
up and everything, like he's using his daredevil like extraly,
you know, his heightened hearing and everything, and he's trying
to find somebody in a building and you're like, oh
my god, he's you think he's gonna kill somebody else,
But he kills fucking Foggy And that shit caught me
off guard?

Speaker 1 (51:43):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (51:43):
Did he catch you off guard? Did you think that
was gonna happen?

Speaker 1 (51:47):
I only thought about it because I had heard rumors
about it, Okay, So I was like, but for no
other fucker, they actually yeah, no, for no other reason.
I was like, oh fuck, I like it. They actually
can do because the energy like during that scene did
feel like even though they're out partying, like having drinks
and stuff, it felt like contense. Yeah yeah, And just

(52:11):
to go back real quick too. I love how they're
like something that they're doing that's new here that's different
from the Netflix show, which I think is like awesome.
It kind of sets itself apart. Is how they showcase
Matt's powers, you know, like they do like pretty crazy
like camera effects. It's like they do the Dolly zoom thing,
and I think that shit's like that's badass, you know.

Speaker 2 (52:34):
And and the audio tubes, so I mean, I've already
had it for a year, but like I have this
Polk soundbar that has like Dolby Utmost in it. I
don't think Daredevil does told the Utmost. I don't know,
but it's like enough immersive surround sound for me to
actually hear when it's heightening on that, like when he's
like trying to really listen into something, You're right there

(52:56):
with it. You're like, okay, you know, we're immersed. The
other thing I loved so okay, foggy dying. I started crying,
like they're a tear definitely shed from one of my eyes.
I don't remember which one, but not like that's important,
but but like I was starting to well up a
little bit. One thing I'll also say, just like a

(53:17):
general thought is I don't like the title music as much,
but the title visuals are sick. All the stone pieces
of like the characters and everything are crumbling. But the
one thing that's like rebuilding itself is Daredevil, which is
which is great, And that's not like a necessarily new
thing for Daredevil, but it's right on par with where

(53:38):
we left off with Daredevil, you know what I mean.
Like it's like you're right back into it after yeah,
you know, the first half an hour essentially.

Speaker 1 (53:46):
Yeah, and No. It's kind of weird because the guys
that composed the theme song, it's Newton Brothers, And it's
interesting because they they also compose the music for an
animated Marvel show that came out I think last year
called X Men ninety seven, and X Men ninety seven

(54:09):
is pretty much like a like they did a reboot
of the the old X Men animated show from like
back in the day, and similar case here, they kept
the same they kept the same theme song, but it
was like when the Newton Brothers redid the song. It

(54:29):
pretty much sounds like the old one, like exactly like
the old one. So I'm wondering, like, should they have
kept it exactly the same as the Netflix.

Speaker 2 (54:40):
Theme?

Speaker 1 (54:42):
And at first I was like, yeah, I know, I
kind of wish it was still like similar because personally,
I think the Netflix theme is like one of the
greatest superhero themes. Like I think I think it might
be the only theme song where it works to use
like one of the like one of the heroes like Superpowers,

(55:05):
like one of Daredevil's or Matt's. Thing to like find
out if someone's lying or telling the truth is by
listening to their heartbeat, and like the heartbeat is part
of the song, you know, so and I don't know
if yeah, at the very end of it. Yeah, well,
it goes all throughout and it just either speeds up
or it slows down. Honestly, that's like my heartbeat whenever

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I'm listening to it.

Speaker 2 (55:31):
Yeah, it's crazy. You're like your hands over your chest
and you're like feeling your it's like actually doing this.

Speaker 1 (55:37):
So I don't know if they're doing the heartbeat thing
in this one, but it's definitely grown on me. The
choir orchestra version of the theme song itself is kind
of sick and like.

Speaker 2 (55:48):
The visuals too, so like in the Netflix installment, was
wax right for the visuals like like melting or like
the wax is melting now it's like stones right, that's
either like grumbling or like reassembling. I think it's perfect,
you know. I don't think it's like a I don't know,

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like make or break the show, not like not like
you're saying that. But I think they did a good
job of kind of like easing their way back into it,
like making making you like remember where you were before
before this new installment.

Speaker 1 (56:22):
Yeah, and no, like it definitely works with what happens
in the first fifteen minutes, like oh for sure, like
we just witnessed a tragedy and like dude, and that
song is like the theme song, like works with that
very well.

Speaker 2 (56:36):
I don't know if they did it intentionally too, like
having that first fifteen minutes like kind of make you think, well,
we already know why they did it, like the whole
production cuts and like you know, all the resistance to
how the like the story was written and whatever. But
like I think it worked really well because the first
episode really didn't catch all of my intention but like

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the intensity as the first from the first episode to
the fourth episode like rises perfectly in my opinion, like
like stories get interweaved perfectly, like at a perfect pace.
We're back. Like that's just like I just feel like
we're back.

Speaker 1 (57:14):
Daredevil's just fucking back. Yeah, yeah, I mean what else
is there to say?

Speaker 2 (57:20):
Like I love the whole. I mean it's just like
more not morally but like thematically working very well. Like
the show is called Born Again, and obviously, like Matt's like,
you know, taking off the suit, He's just gonna be Matt.
He's not going to be Daredevil anymore. But the longer
the show goes on, the more.

Speaker 1 (57:39):
He's like calls to him that, yeah, his.

Speaker 2 (57:43):
Catholic values that he's been raised on, his boxing values
that he's been raised on, Like I got to stand back,
I need to get all the facts, I need to
use the law to system, and especially in our day
and age with everything that's happening in the world, feel
like it's just kind of perfect.

Speaker 1 (58:02):
It's taking a while for him to suit up as Daredevil,
but to be honest with you, I don't I personally
don't mind it too much. Mostly because some of the
best parts of the Netflix show were the courtroom stuff
and the lawyer stuff, right, so seeing him, you know
he's a lawyer, like seeing him do his lawyer shit

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is very much in line with the character. And I
feel like they've done that in other Disney Plus shows
where it's like it's taking for taking him forever to
suit up, but the build up to him finally suiting up,
like this one feels like it's it's gonna be worth
the wait, you know ye Like other other stuff, it's
like like, oh, he built up to this and that's it.

Speaker 2 (58:44):
Oh, like a weird pill parallel or like extraction. I'll
try to make from from Daredevil to that. That's a
perfect way to say all that, when's the moment gonna come?
When's that heroic?

Speaker 1 (58:54):
Like?

Speaker 2 (58:56):
Not the time is now? Like we're going full bore.
I think it's in episode three or episode four, but
like Matt's still defending the White Tiger and he's like, oh,
I noticed you got a black eye over there. Dareduble's mind,
by the way, Yeah, and then he says, you know what,

(59:16):
the there's an old boxing term. What's the best way
to avoid a black eye is fast hands, and you're like, damn,
intrinsic value within the whole show, Like, I just I
love that.

Speaker 1 (59:32):
Yeah, that was an incredible exchange. It was literally it's
like one of my favorite exchanges ever in the MCU
is like, damn, he's really talking that shit genuinely. Like
the way episode two ended, I thought he killed those
cops because it looks like he broke one of their
necks and then like maybe.

Speaker 2 (59:52):
They're lying on the floor with blood.

Speaker 1 (59:54):
Yeah, I thought they were dead.

Speaker 2 (59:57):
No, that's what I thought too. Okay, so actually I
didn't even know that those were the same cops because
I thought that they were dead until you just said this.

Speaker 1 (01:00:06):
I'm pretty sure they cops.

Speaker 2 (01:00:08):
No, No, they are, But damn, that whole scene's crazy.

Speaker 1 (01:00:10):
They're like because they're trying to find they're trying to
find their informant and they finally found him. Yeah, and Matt,
Matt was helping him escape.

Speaker 2 (01:00:19):
Right, and Matt's like, you don't want to do this,
Please don't do this, Please don't do this. But it's
weird because it's a crazy parallel well where he's kind
of talking to himself where he's like, please don't do this,
like please, don't bring Daredevil out and also talking to
the cops like please don't do this.

Speaker 1 (01:00:35):
And then the following episode's hilarious just because like like
the guy tries to calling him out on and he's like, Oh,
how would you like it if, like if I told
everyone that like like you have like you can fight
or whatever. He's like, Oh, You're gonna tell everybody that
a blind lawyer beat you up.

Speaker 2 (01:00:53):
It's such like a funny chess game within it too,
you know, using the blindness, using like but like nobody
knows at the same time, it's like a lot of
like stick and move. God, the show is just amazing, though,
what so you think that's your that was your your
favorite exchange between Matt and the and to defend the

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whole black Guy, think, what's what's your favorite scene so far?
Before like getting getting into details, like what's your favorite
singular moment so far?

Speaker 1 (01:01:22):
My favorite singular moment. I mean, like the opening to
episode one is is up there. Obviously, there's a pretty
big one in episode four that we'll probably talk about
in a bit. I Mean I just really liked like
the whole uh, like everything that happened in the courtroom
with the White Tiger case, so pretty much like most

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of episode three, like the whole case was good, like
him defending White Tiger and like the reveal of like
White Tiger to everybody, I thought it was a move
that would genuinely work out, which it did. They won
the case, but did they really? Yeah? I know, I

(01:02:03):
just love that they can nail the courtroom stuff because
it just reminded me of like the courtroom stuff from
from season two Daredevil, where they like it was it
was between all them and the punisher.

Speaker 2 (01:02:13):
They do a really good job of doing a little
bit of like like House of Cards kind of political stuff,
like where it's like really heavy and you know what's
weighing on the discourse within the courtroom. They do a
really good job of not making it too dramatic, but
letting you know enough of like what are the what
are going to be the results of what's happening in

(01:02:33):
the courtroom. It's not just dialogue, you know, like you
know what's what's at stake, and maybe.

Speaker 1 (01:02:39):
A good conversation about like like what it means to
be a hero that type of stuff, like.

Speaker 2 (01:02:44):
Like this guy maybe it was accidental manslaughter, which technically
I think legally, that's what you would call that maybe
in a court of law, I don't know. With that
subway scene, and that's that's crazy too, because like just
going back to like how that like underground subway scene starts,
I did not expect all of this to unfold from that,

(01:03:07):
Like I thought it was just like, you know, two
dudes just beating up on like an innocent guy. And
the second the officer says, pulls out a gun and
says NYPD, You're like, holy shit, Okay, this story is
way different than what I thought was going on.

Speaker 1 (01:03:23):
It's it's beautiful, no, And I really love that they're
going for, uh, the whole corrupt like police force story. Yeah,
because like you you said it earlier, it's like like
a lot of it relates to our real world, and
like they're going for the storyline where a lot of
like corrupt cops are like donning the Punisher logo because

(01:03:47):
they think that's what you know, the Punisher stands for.
That's probably like what I'm looking forward to the most
is just the Punisher just completely murking all these guys.

Speaker 2 (01:03:57):
I mean, I mean, I hate to say it with me.

Speaker 1 (01:04:01):
Too, because that's how it is in real life too,
like Cops where the Punisher logo like all the time,
and it's just extremely like disappointing, Like it's obvious like
that these folks don't know the character.

Speaker 2 (01:04:12):
It's it's cringey. It's the one word I can find,
or one adjective I could find. My favorite scene is
the ending to season three, after that all that courtroom
stuff where the White Tiger's finally free, because that solidifies
the whole like and it's thought, we were gonna have
some happiness, but no, no.

Speaker 1 (01:04:32):
We can't have anything. It's just disappointing too, because, like
I think it's the scene right before that where Matt
is talking about how he like he was celebrating the
win with his new girlfriend, I think her name's Heather
or something, and the psychiatrist that wrote the Yeah books
he was like happy that, like, oh, yeah, you know what,

(01:04:54):
Sometimes the system does work. I guess technically it did,
but then folks within that system will also it and
that's why, Yeah, that's why it doesn't work.

Speaker 2 (01:05:04):
It immediately broke afterwards, like literally the next scene, it broke.
If you haven't watched it, and I hope you're not
like listening to this episode and haven't watched it yet,
but that whole old court room trial, so White Tiger
gets free. At the very end of the episode, Tiger's
literally like doing this heroic thing and like kind of
slow motion where he's about to put his mask on

(01:05:26):
again and feel proud about who he is, stops dark
alley scene, slow motion, gun goes to his head executioner
style puts a bullet in his brain and he just dies.

Speaker 1 (01:05:38):
And you're like, Okay, it's like, what the fuck?

Speaker 2 (01:05:41):
What the fuck? But then what do you see Punisher
log You see the Punisher logo? Was it him?

Speaker 1 (01:05:49):
No? Man, No, I think it was not even a
little bit.

Speaker 2 (01:05:52):
That's that's too lowly. Like Frank's franks sites are, I
don't even know. We don't even know where Frank's sites
are at this time. We don't know what the fuck
he's doing. All we know is he has an arsenal
that can probably kill like five hundred people, yeah, maybe more.

Speaker 1 (01:06:12):
He's just plotting underground, dude, Like we don't know what
he's plotting on. Yeah, we don't know what he's plotting.
But yeah, but I gotta say it. If there if
I was to pick like another like favorite scene. It's
definitely the one with Frank and Matt.

Speaker 2 (01:06:26):
Oh dude, where Matt starts crying about, like yeah, so
he starts crying about like forcing Daredevil away essentially, but
and he's trying so hard to keep Daredevil away, but
Frank knows, like Daredevil needs to fucking come out and
he need's okay, sorry for the g audiences out there,

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you need to stop being such a fucking pussy and
you need to fucking deliver the justice. But that I mean,
he does use the word pussy in the scene. You
need to stop being such a fucking pussy. And if
you want to fucking go eye for an eye, you
need to fucking go eye for an eye. The one
like holy moment of that scene is like Frank mentions

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foggy and like Matt just starts glowing and you're like.

Speaker 1 (01:07:13):
Oh my god, I'm gonna start crying too, and he
just and then he just goes on like talk about
like we could never like measure up to like how
good a person he was. He's the most pure, innocent
soul that anybody's ever met. No, that was an awesome
scene just to like you know what, like Charlie Cox
is really like one of our like both of them,

(01:07:34):
both Charlie Cox and John burn Doll are like some
of our best like superhero castings ever.

Speaker 2 (01:07:42):
And like just initially, like when Matt was going down
there like to where Frank was like at that lower
space of the of the building, I was like, Okay,
I feel like Frank's about the pop up right now,
but I don't quite know if he is. And then
just like the hatchet fucking fly Spy said like, I wonder,

(01:08:04):
I wonder if people just have like lairs like that
under Oh I don't know about New York, but well
that's where he was. He was like underground somewhere like
walk through like a field, and then walked like downstairs
like it was like it was like under an apartment
building or some shit, and it said manager's room.

Speaker 1 (01:08:26):
I wonder if it was just like an empty room
where Frank just pulled up and set up shop and
just no one knows he's there except for Matt.

Speaker 2 (01:08:33):
So if it was the Punisher, So you go back
to a scene where the Punisher, you know, shoots White
Tiger in the head, There's no way the Punisher is
that sloppy to leave a bullet casing behind, so it
was done intentionally and that is exactly what happened, so
that Red could find I don't know, I think I

(01:08:55):
think that's what happened. The Punisher Ain't that sloppy, But.

Speaker 1 (01:08:59):
No, I'm pretty sure, like Matt already knows because a
lot of cops have the Punisher tattoo like on their
wrists or on their neck or whatever, so he knows
that there's a lot of like copycats already out there.
So I don't think they're like, I don't think anybody
is like trying to frame Frank, like saying like, oh,

(01:09:21):
the Punisher is like carrying out all these killings. I
think it's just people. It's just random cops that think
they are they are doing what they think the Punisher
would do.

Speaker 2 (01:09:30):
You know, they're trying to like like fit the suit essentially,
like they're trying to be the Punisher, but they're not
actually so so Frank didn't do it.

Speaker 1 (01:09:40):
No, Fisk is like I can't believe he's a mayor
of New York. And it's kind of like this also
relates to our own world because like people knew I
feel like people knew who Kingpin was, Like he's like
a like convicted criminal, been to jail, and and yet

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he's running politics.

Speaker 2 (01:10:05):
He's it's just like, no matter where he is, he's
still fucking running the game poll in the strings.

Speaker 1 (01:10:11):
For some reason, he now is like, oh, you know what,
other scene is pretty good. The I think this scene
is in episode one or two, but it's the or
Matt and Fisk are talking to the diner.

Speaker 2 (01:10:24):
That one's amazing.

Speaker 1 (01:10:26):
Yeah, no, that one's really good, and like Matt's just
talking about like, oh, I believe in grace, but I
also believe in retribution, like yeah, if you slip up,
like I'll be there, and.

Speaker 2 (01:10:35):
The those like I don't think morals is the right
word to use, but like those like there's another one
of those lines that's like forgiveness is the best form
of love. These lines are going to resonate throughout the
rest of the show.

Speaker 1 (01:10:49):
You know, fisk is Fisk is on something and I
like how uh he's like eating healthy like instead of
eating eating like full on omelets like he was in
in the in the pre previous seasons, he now just
has like asparagus and egg white. But it's funny because
once he slips back into like doing some like criminal shit,
and he's threatening people.

Speaker 2 (01:11:10):
He's eating he's got a fucking thick ass glass of
fucking like a nineteen ninety eight red or something. You know.

Speaker 1 (01:11:20):
No, but like when he when he made his first threat,
I think it was like a police captain or something.
He was having like a Philly cheese steak and he
like lifts up the rapper and he has like a
picture of the police captain's daughter or some shit. That
ship was so that ship was so petty, dude, you
remember that.

Speaker 2 (01:11:37):
I didn't even notice that.

Speaker 1 (01:11:39):
What the fuck are you doing? Man?

Speaker 2 (01:11:41):
Holy shit.

Speaker 1 (01:11:43):
I like how they they do it, Like they ended
episode four like that, like Fisk is going back to
eating unhealthy, he's slipping back into his habits. And then
it's also like paired with Matt going down into his
like little Daredevil and he's like.

Speaker 2 (01:12:02):
Which all stemmed from that diner scene, which was like, hey,
here's this, here's like an armistice. If you pull the trigger,
I'm gonna pull the trigger. Okay, here's one scene that
I actually really loved, and I'm very grateful of the
outcome because I think I might have like thrown up
if i'd seen it. Happen the way I thought it

(01:12:22):
was gonna happen. He's like one of the press guys
for Fisk when he becomes mayor, he's like the young
guy that has like all the like millennial like slang, right,
the guy that goes and does ketamine.

Speaker 1 (01:12:32):
I think this gets struggled.

Speaker 2 (01:12:35):
No, he's annoying as fuck. But when he admits like
I'm the one who fucked up on the front page,
I thought Fisk was literally going to rip his fucking
head off, like in front of I don't even know
positionally what she would be titled, but like I thought,
like an advisor, like advisors, yeah, a political advisor. I

(01:12:56):
thought he was gonna rip his fucking head off. But
like then he goes to this like drawn out fucking monologue.
The monologue was good though, Like if you're trying to
get grace, that was a good monologue. I'm not gonna
lie like for sure, for he was like, look, I
I fucking love you, I believe in you. I'm sorry
I fucked up, but I have a feeling he's gonna

(01:13:17):
fuck up again. And Fisk is gonna just like.

Speaker 1 (01:13:20):
Or he's gonna or he's gonna take something he's gonna
take something a little too far that Fisk isn't really
gonna like or.

Speaker 2 (01:13:28):
I hope so, because because yes, the dude's annoying, but
he's also innocent too, Like I feel like he's so
wrapped up in Fisks politics that it's like, yes, it's genuine,
but he's also kind of like I don't know, brainwashed
about the whole.

Speaker 1 (01:13:42):
Thing, kind of like a blind follower situation.

Speaker 2 (01:13:45):
Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 1 (01:13:46):
Yeah, No, the show's really good. If if I like,
if I had any critiques, I mean I already mentioned
like some of the visuals or like whatever, Like it's
definitely feels like a slight downgrade. But to be honest
with you, like, while there was like some really high
highs in episode four, there was a lot that I
really didn't care for. Like Episode three ended so strong

(01:14:08):
with like the execution of White Tiger, and I was like,
I guess these are just like my expectations. But I
thought they would just continue the momentum and Matt would
go straight into investigating what happened to him, and that's
what like the bulk of episode three would be about.
But the whole thing with the guy with like the
the sweet popcorn or whatever. Yeah, like that stuff was

(01:14:31):
so Yeah the camel popcorn. I was like, what is
going on here? Yeah, like that whole bit could have
been cut out, And I mean, I guess one could say, like, oh, well,
it's it's just like another example of like the system
not working. But we already saw the system not work,
Like we don't need like further reinforcement on that. Yeah.

(01:14:53):
And like and that guy's an asshole. Man. That guy
was being like straight up like making fun for being blind.
Be like, oh see the joke because you can't get
it to see. I'm like, damn, what the hell is
this guy's problem? Like he's trying to get you less jail.

Speaker 2 (01:15:11):
Timeson Jason Momoa's character from the show see pops out
in the background. Yeah, that was unnecessary. Like it's just like.

Speaker 1 (01:15:19):
It's like I can't root for this guy if he's
going to be a dick to Matt. No, you know,
like I can't try to level with him to talk
about because like what he's saying is like true. It's like, oh,
they'd rather like pay to pay more money to throw
me in jail rather than actually give me food. I'm like,
I can't really get behind you if you're gonna be
like making fun of Matt's like disability.

Speaker 2 (01:15:40):
But I could. I do also understand it from a
sense of like what Matt can do as a lawyer
for the common man, you know what I mean? Like that,
I understand, but it could have been replaced with some better,
better material. But I agree with you, most of episode
four wasn't great, but the ending of four or sorry

(01:16:01):
that season four episode four was.

Speaker 1 (01:16:03):
Fucking crazy was wild. Yeah, Like fists going around this
town could have been trimmed down a little bit, the
sweet popcorn guy could have been cut out, And then
I feel like Matt had a really long conversation with
that girl trying to get his like prison sentence, his
probation down. That kind of dragged on a little bit.

(01:16:23):
It just felt like a disjointed episode with like, like
I said, very high highs.

Speaker 2 (01:16:28):
I agree with that, but I think there's enough, like
solid storytelling within the rest of the episodes that kind
of makes up for it.

Speaker 1 (01:16:38):
Like, yeah, and the whole.

Speaker 2 (01:16:39):
Like a husband and wife relationship between Vanessa and Wilson
I think is amazing.

Speaker 1 (01:16:46):
Yeah, I think I wasn't really on board until I
saw Fisk locking up Adam. Yeah, and seeing what he's
gonna do with him exactly.

Speaker 2 (01:16:56):
That was the like, Okay, like I understand this, Like
you're pretty much one of the most powerful criminal underlords
of New York City maybe the United States, and you
you know you're in love. You know, you know you
want a wife. So I kind of like the the
idea of like making you as a viewer like think

(01:17:19):
about very different levels of discourse amongst like a lot
of different levels of things. So it's like, especially the
political element, like where you have like two very powerful
fucking people who are low key running the streets but
also like have their own fucking problems within themselves, and

(01:17:40):
seeing them both go to therapy, I think it is
like hilarious.

Speaker 1 (01:17:44):
That's that's gonna be interesting to see how that shakes
out because I don't think Fisk knows that Matt and
their therapist are dating.

Speaker 2 (01:17:53):
That's crazy. Okay, Yeah, she's about to explode.

Speaker 1 (01:17:57):
It's about like it'll it'll be different when when he
finds out.

Speaker 2 (01:18:02):
And also she doesn't know that he was formerly dared
double No she know Karen Page bro fuck.

Speaker 1 (01:18:10):
Yeah. So okay, that's another part where you can tell
that like there was like a little creative overhaul is
that like Karen's just gone now and she's just.

Speaker 2 (01:18:17):
Gone, Like Foggy's honestly gone because he's dead.

Speaker 1 (01:18:20):
But I mean in the original like I don't think
Karen or Foggy were meant to be part of it
at all. But after that, after the overhaul or whatever,
like they're like, Okay, how do we like kind of
fit this in?

Speaker 2 (01:18:33):
They did what they could with it. I think, yeah,
it's it's working. It's working. I got one last thing.
Who the fuck is the dude in the very end
of these or episode four who's draining blood from people?

Speaker 1 (01:18:48):
I don't know much about this character, but one of
my buddies at work shout out to Christian would uh,
like he fills me in on all this stuff because
he knows pretty much almost anything and everything in the comics.
It's a character called mu. He's like a like a
serial killer type and like pretty much he uh you know,
sometimes serial killers leave behind things that are like like, oh,

(01:19:11):
this killer, this killer was here type of thing. Yeah,
like they have an mo o. So his his thing
is like leaving behind portraits painted in blood of like
like with his victim's blood.

Speaker 2 (01:19:25):
Dude, that shit went from like Okay, yeah it's brutal
to like this is straight on psychotic for like one
final scene, Like what the fuck is that? I thought
I was watching a different show. I'm not gonna lie.

Speaker 1 (01:19:38):
I want I wonder how they're gonna move forward with that.

Speaker 2 (01:19:41):
That's a little weird to me. How are you gonna
tie all these things together?

Speaker 1 (01:19:44):
So like, what what does he have to do with
like any of the plot at all, because like you
have the you have the fake Punisher cops, you have Kingpin,
Like how is this guy gonna fit it? And you
know what I think might be part of it? I
think it's episode like two or three or well it's
in one of the episodes where Heather is having like
a book signing or whatever, and then there's the yep,

(01:20:08):
there's like that random dude that comes up crazy Eyes,
the crazy Eyes, and he's like, are you taking on
any more clients? So like so I think he might
be part of or I think that's him.

Speaker 2 (01:20:21):
Yes, no, sorry, Like if you're listening to this and
you I'm just like my mind's blown right now. Also,
win Fisk, So there's that like parallel scene where Matt
walks up his ladder after sleeping, you know, with his
with his girlfriend, and he goes up and you know,
you see all the Daredevil masks and he starts like practicing. Also,

(01:20:43):
that weapon is fucking sick.

Speaker 1 (01:20:46):
It's so sick baton, but it also yeah, and it
has a chain on the end of it, Like damn,
that's like some that's there.

Speaker 2 (01:20:54):
That's some medieval con ship. Okay, but you know what
I'm talking so into parallels, and you also have going
to eat that fucking pasta Bolgnets. But as he's walking,
so it's like a side shot and he's walking by
this painting. But that painting has the blood on it.

Speaker 1 (01:21:12):
That was from season three though, like remember remember yeah, no,
remember there's was onto something. Yeah, I remember there's that
that like completely blank canvas painting that Fisk was obsessed
with throughout like two seasons. So season three ended pretty
much with Matt beating the shit out of him, and

(01:21:33):
so that's fixed blood, like he just punched him in
the face and it just splattered on the painting.

Speaker 2 (01:21:37):
But I knew there were okay, so I knew that
there was definitely some significance to it. There's like it's too.

Speaker 1 (01:21:42):
I mean, you could still possibly be on to something. Yeah,
that's just just oh my god.

Speaker 2 (01:21:47):
But it's just so weird to think about this. That guy,
he's just he's fucking like asperating blood from fucking alive bodies.
They're not dead, by the way, they're not dead.

Speaker 1 (01:21:59):
No. It kind of reminds me of how I feel
like in the previous three season Dared Level they constantly
are draining blood from people like that. There are like
some plot lines where they drain blood from people and
I'm like, oh wow, they really like to just drain
blood and Dared Devil.

Speaker 2 (01:22:17):
Okay, last I have I have one question, one question
for you, one last question. Do you think it's gonna
be like Fisk, Frank, Matt somehow teaming up in the
end towards the end of the season, Fisk, Frank and
Matt like forcefully like they have to.

Speaker 1 (01:22:38):
Yeah, maybe, I mean definitely Matt and Frank for sure.
I don't know how Fisk would tie.

Speaker 2 (01:22:43):
I mean maybe, like because the way that I see
it is like I think like Matt and Fisk truly
are trying to like put their alter egos aside as
much as they can, right, Like I think Fisk is
trying to be a mayor as best as he can,
but his old identity comes out, or like his business

(01:23:06):
identity comes out, and Matt's not trying to be daredevil.
But they'll they'll somehow converge to try to achieve the
same goal for a common good between them, and Frank
has to be involved. No, I could see it because
there's gonna be a season two, right.

Speaker 1 (01:23:24):
Yeah, they're shooting it right now.

Speaker 2 (01:23:26):
Holy shit.

Speaker 1 (01:23:27):
Okay, yeah, I wish I could. I hope I can
run into like the set living in a Hell's kitchen
and all, I feel like it's only right.

Speaker 2 (01:23:39):
That's crazy, you do actually live in Hell's kitchen.

Speaker 1 (01:23:41):
I think that's a good spot to wrap it up.
You what are you ranking it? So far?

Speaker 2 (01:23:46):
I'm gonna give it. I'm trying to give it like
my bias of like jumping into a show again. Finally, aside,
I'm gonna give it like a four point one so far?

Speaker 1 (01:23:58):
Four point one? Okay, I think I'm gonna just go
smidge lower. I would go like three point three point eight?

Speaker 2 (01:24:06):
What would be? Just because the main subtractor.

Speaker 1 (01:24:08):
Episode four, I feel like the momentum really just came
to a screeching halt, Like I feel like we could
have just done like we could have built more with
the white tiger stuff, maybe a little more punisher. That
would be my main thing.

Speaker 2 (01:24:27):
I'd agree with that.

Speaker 1 (01:24:29):
For me, I can't. I can't give like any show
that I'm watching anything higher than a four because it's
not done yet, you know. Yeah, So if I really
love where we're at, like from a premiere, than I'm
first episode or first couple episodes, I'll be like, oh, yeah, this,
there's like a four out of five, and then I'll

(01:24:49):
like adjust from there. And then once I get to
the very end, it's like, oh, maybe it's a four
and a half. Maybe it's just it just stays a
flat flour the entire time.

Speaker 2 (01:24:58):
And I guess maybe for me, the re in that
at like my my scores a little bit higher just
because I got I got hooked back in pretty quickly instantly,
Like yeah, so yeah, that's got to be the point
three difference. But I can't wait. I can't wait to
see how it ends. I I'm just trying to see
Frank get a fucking haircut and really start fucking murdering people.

(01:25:21):
That's all he's got.

Speaker 1 (01:25:23):
He's gotta he's gotta clean that ship up, dude, exactly.

Speaker 2 (01:25:26):
I mean, I mean me too, but like.

Speaker 1 (01:25:28):
You got fighting crime, Frank, I want to.

Speaker 2 (01:25:32):
I want to have Frank have a scene that instantly
triggers Due Down, damn dude.

Speaker 1 (01:25:44):
Dan theme back.

Speaker 2 (01:25:45):
No no, no, no no no no, just like in
my head, like like I want I want to like
a scene to happen with Frank that triggers that intro
song in my head, you know, like, yeah, fucking punishers here.
This is pure Punisher right now. Not to take maybe
from Daredevil.

Speaker 1 (01:26:00):
Maybe they'll bring it back because they're doing like a
like a Marvel special presentation with just him, and those
are typically like maybe a little under like an hour
and a half long. Just it's like it's like a
mini movie type ship. Yeah, but okay, awesome, folks. Thanks
for tuning in and listening. Be sure to follow the

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