Ep. 424: The Coliseum Collection - Best of the WWF Vol. 8 (Part 1)

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:01):
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s e O and JP Sorrow.

Speaker 2 (00:09):
He's a lapsed fan and all my years and wrestling,
I never seen anything and it's the laps fan name
by the one in the ring. Forget about Slado. He
the real king of swing.

Speaker 3 (00:26):
When the bell.

Speaker 2 (00:26):
Goes in and the kick like me throwing in the corner.

Speaker 4 (00:30):
But it's lash like stick.

Speaker 5 (00:31):
Even Jerry King can sake off the crowd.

Speaker 2 (00:34):
Nodded in his head like it. Steve low Brown, would
you get low down? Go even high up? Flipp you
on your head?

Speaker 6 (00:40):
But you know cool driver, you speak more now and
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Speaker 2 (00:50):
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Speaker 6 (00:53):
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the brain Bob means the best podcast Frost start the
close cloud.

Speaker 2 (00:59):
If you all be Flassic.

Speaker 3 (01:01):
Polls, well you know pause ive WWF. Colisseum home video
releases come in threes, just you know, maybe when we
do Colosseum Collection, we got to go in threes as well.
One thought, well.

Speaker 2 (01:11):
I suppose that might not be a bad idea.

Speaker 3 (01:14):
You know, let's keep with the spirit of how the
tapes were to be released, how they were expected to
be received by the public, and of course, as we
know by now, the cadence is one feature cassette on
one wrestler, one best of and one themed cassette. The
last time we did the themed was the TNT Show.
The wrestling profile, of course was The Macho Man and
Elizabeth Last time We're with you. I believe it's time
for the eighth installment of the Best of the World

(01:36):
Wrestling Federation, if you want to call it that. Do
you think it's the worst of the World Wrestling Federary?

Speaker 2 (01:42):
I will say I think it is the worst thus
far of these best of tapes. It is dreadful.

Speaker 3 (01:49):
I don't see Danny Spivey versus Terry Gibbs, Billy Jack
Kynes versus Moondog Rex, Jimmy Jack Funk in any iteration,
King Tonga or ted our City, Well, Hercules Hernandez in
a squash as the best of the WWF not at
all like It's It's funny how the the stuff that
actually I found to be I was interested in.

Speaker 2 (02:08):
They was at the very end and completely cut down
Jake Roberts and then the Patterson listened. I was excited
when I saw the with that Pedro was at MSG. Okay,
I was excited about that because I love Pedro at MSG.
I was ready for a big fucking roar, just not
this match. Yeah, no huge comeback where the crowd is

(02:32):
like fucking you know, salivating at the idea of him
going nuts.

Speaker 3 (02:37):
Yeah, they've already and it was just like conditioned us
to expect that from the deep artrival stuff on these videos.

Speaker 2 (02:42):
Right.

Speaker 3 (02:43):
It was quite a trip, though. Does he skinny Adrian
Adonna's just a week after seeing fat Ass?

Speaker 7 (02:49):
No?

Speaker 2 (02:49):
That was really that was really jarring, and not even
you know, I don't think I've ever really seen much
of Adrian Adonna's even back that far where he really
was skinny. I remember when, you know, like during his
Jesse Ventura team days that he was like not fat,
but he wasn't skinny. He was like just he was

(03:10):
in he was a little he was like pleasantly plump,
if you will pleasantly plump, yes, you know, And so
this is this was just like U I mean, just dreadful.
This was just this was awful this whole fucking I mean,
I was like, there there should have been other names
for this. It should have been number one called it,
you know, the best of the WWE at MSG for Stortiers. Yeah,

(03:34):
given that, like all but two matches take place at
at Madison Square Garden and and on that note, all
but one take place at a garden, you know, there's
one Boston garden and then yeah, it's just it's just awful,
Like this was.

Speaker 3 (03:52):
I believe the Junkyard Dog King Kong Bundy match takes
place at an Olive garden.

Speaker 2 (03:58):
That was the aftermatch. Oh, I see what that was.

Speaker 3 (04:00):
Yes, yeah, it's it's it's quite a it's quite a tape.
And I think what we're starting to see is them
being less and less of a curator when it comes
to what makes it unto these Colosseum home video releases
and more of just a what's the promotional imperative of
the moment? Who Because when you look at the magazines
like we're going to, it's like they're in full sync,
like features of these wrestlers like ted Our City and

(04:24):
Hercules Hernandez and King Tom in the Future Hakku, It's
just like they're just thrown under this tape. It's almost
like it's it can't be best of if these are
the up and comers. Make a tape like that New Faces,
you know, I.

Speaker 2 (04:36):
Mean that's that's a theme tape right there. You know,
why not do that New Faces of the w WE.
That works perfect, it's a great it's also a classic
you know this era colisseum title.

Speaker 3 (04:48):
Yeah, it's no, it's not what you know best of WWF,
it's like best work rate.

Speaker 2 (04:53):
That's what people want to see you or at that
or or or classic stuff.

Speaker 3 (04:58):
Like stuff that was historically significant.

Speaker 2 (05:00):
Right or or even honestly, just find a use for
these Nothing gets me more excited about that, even if
they're not good, but finding you know, tapes and stuff
that they don't have but they never put on the network.
That's hard to find, you know, from the seventies and
sixties and stuff like that. Like just that's the stuff
that they should be putting up ye on these on

(05:22):
these best of tapes.

Speaker 3 (05:23):
Yeah, it's more so than ever at this point in
WWF eighty six, they're being very careful and mindful of
only featuring people that they have, you know, going forward
relationships with Like I'm sure, pretty soon Brunoso Martino is
about to completely fall off the face of the earth
as it regards a presence on these tapes and Peter
Morales for that matter, and several others. So it gets

(05:43):
to be more and more I imagine of a dicey
proposition to go too deep into the archives, because then
you start to feature wrestlers like a Backland, like we
don't see any hint of Bob Backland's existence anymore, because
by this point he's left in frustration with the post
Hulcogan booking plans. He's done some shows for the a
w A, including the Wrestling for a Cure show in
nineteen eighty five in Boston that we've done in the archives.

(06:05):
He's done some Crocket Northeast shots. His Crockett's tried to
address some of that market as well as Vince's pushing
into his territory. So he's persona on grad to fuck him,
can't use sergeant slaughter matches fuck him. He's with Vern
as well after a dispute over the likeness and the
g I Joe and all the stuff we've talked about
over the years.

Speaker 2 (06:21):
Yep.

Speaker 3 (06:22):
So it becomes hard, you know, to pick a guy
and pick a classic match that features people that you
don't have a good chance of being on the shit
shit stick right in six months the shit list, I
should say, shit Stick's a good idea time to think
about that. But we're we're barreling. I mean, look, if
we can't fault this video cassette for being MSG focused,

(06:44):
because we're barreling toward the Empire State, we're barreling toward
Big Apple, We're barreling towards UH New York City.

Speaker 5 (06:50):
Sunday, August third, at noon, the lapsed Fan takes on
Times Square tickets at Comedy Village dot com. There goes
the neighborhood. You fucking bitch.

Speaker 3 (06:59):
It's exactly correct and tremendous outpouring of of support and
positive reinforcement upon our announcement that the co chairman take
the stage live one more time August the third, noon
time in New York City is part of what I
just realized was the biggest is going to be the
biggest two night summer Slam in history. Please tell me
they're not advertising it as that. No, but they did

(07:20):
do that for the second two night Mania. Remember that
when they went to Tampa, they were saying it's the
biggest two night Wrestlemingian history because the one the year
before was in the warehouse.

Speaker 2 (07:30):
I mean, I really don't. I can't. I can't even
it was like the greatest this what was it? A
the greatest, the greatest match of all time? Randy Orton
an edge like, what the fuck? Look, listen, as I
respect them, They're never going to be the greatest match

(07:51):
of all time.

Speaker 3 (07:52):
No ever, No, that was like that was more of
a gimmick of like, we're going to edit it together
so that it's absolutely right. It was.

Speaker 8 (07:59):
It was.

Speaker 2 (07:59):
It was a manic matches. What they did, they did
they very you know they did. Yeah, those have kind
of gone by the wayside. Huh remember those Remember they
were like, oh, yeah, we're gonna do this in the future.

Speaker 3 (08:07):
We might bring away and keep doing it even when
there are fans it's right, might as well just do
it all the time. I remember on one of those
investor calls, they asked Vince D and Covid like what
are you what are you gonna do and about all this,
and he's gonna say, well, we'll have to get creative.
So that's when you knew it was gonna be really bad.
Maybe we'll bring in cinema, the element of cinema, right,
We do make movies after all, plenty of experience making

(08:29):
movies on close sets. I mean, we just saw the
rady Savage Liz gene okral into at home sketch last
time exactly. You know where's Ernie Schultz? Get him on
the phone. Damn right, but uh, it's going to be
a tremendous happening. And tickets are available at comedy Village
dot com intimate venue. Folks, you don't want a delay.
If you can make tracks to New York City, as
we know so many folks in the laps Fan solar

(08:50):
systems are approximate to New York City. We'd love to
see you there as we just take the stage and
take take stock of.

Speaker 2 (08:57):
Where we still gonna we're gonna do. We're gonna do
it now do it live? I see right?

Speaker 3 (09:02):
Thank god? Uh so comedy Village dot com. And again
if you if you purchases so many have big shout
outs to the folks who've let us know that they're
going to be joining us in New York City. Send
us an email laps Fan at gmail dot com and
tell us to be on the lookout for you. Chris,
for instance, sent along a plan of grabbing a big
fat Italian at restaurant in Wilming. You're delaware before he

(09:26):
gets on the train, he's gonna grab me. Is that
all right? Just tell me? Let me know ahead of time. Please,
you know, I got I got things. He already has
his lunch penciled well, he already has his Uh, he's
probably considered his breakfast. I mean, the show starts at noon.

Speaker 2 (09:42):
For Christ's sakes, there we go.

Speaker 3 (09:43):
But there will be drinks uh, and there will be
some food at the show as well. So if that's
part of your consideration, suite, I do know that. A
shout out to Tom, who also also let us know
that business is picking up and he's he's gonna he's
gonna be with us. Big shout out all so to
the homie Brendan, who let us know that he was

(10:03):
at MetLife for soccer game when we made the announcement.
He wants us to know that he will not be
going to MetLife for summer Slams. However, that's right. He
will be enjoying a weekend in New York City because
of his favorite College podcast.

Speaker 2 (10:16):
Yeah, I mean, come on, listen. That that to me,
that that is the That is the praise that yes,
I need more than any Okay, the praise that we're
gonna that we're gonna go someplace where wrestling is and
not go see wrestling, but instead go to see us.

Speaker 3 (10:32):
And this is the first time we as chairmen are
putting our money where our mouths is in that regard.
We're not going to Summer Slam exactly. We're not going.
We're actually lapsed now, but we will be aware, we
will be able to react to Night one when we
take the stage Sunday afternoon and preview night too. Is
part of our tradition of doing these kind of live
shows around wwpl pl E weekends light like WrestleMania. But

(10:55):
so yeah, if you show up on Sunday with a
lot of stuff to talk about, like Jacobshatu is an
incredible performance, I'm sure we'll have plenty.

Speaker 2 (11:02):
Say, for Christ's sake, you go. We should you know,
we should do we should go, uh, we should go
find a Hooters after the live show, do a live
call to the Hoots.

Speaker 3 (11:14):
I don't think well, first of all, Hoots is barely
anymore and I don't think they have the license anymore
to show those.

Speaker 2 (11:18):
Probably not.

Speaker 3 (11:20):
But man, if we lived near one of those, there's.

Speaker 2 (11:23):
One in Uh there is one in in in Newington.
I do know that there's one in Newington. Oh, I'm
sure there's hooters that still exist. Yes, I don't know
if something that used to show that used to show
that the shows, I don't know. Again, I don't know
if they still doing it anymore. That did did it?

Speaker 4 (11:37):
No?

Speaker 2 (11:37):
Brother, the Hoots? What so.

Speaker 3 (11:41):
Huge goings on? A huge happening, comedy village dot com.
Let's let's fucking get it. I mean, no more games.
Best of the WF volume made and we I'm looking
at this fucking video jacket and I.

Speaker 2 (11:53):
Just have to I have to do it, and I
have to do it. Please. Well that's a great sound.

Speaker 3 (11:59):
I mean, come on, does it get old? No?

Speaker 2 (12:01):
Never, It's a wonderful.

Speaker 3 (12:03):
It's it's what it's it's what home video viewing was
meant to be. Right and uh, we talked shit but
the Heart Foundation Killer Bee's match that kicks off the
tape bloody fantastic, bloody good, very good, truly the WWF.

Speaker 2 (12:21):
Yes, exactly.

Speaker 3 (12:22):
I'm glad they put it on number one, right, well,
number one of the match, I mean number one of
the man on the table. Like some of that. You
can hear that subtle shift and sound. The screen is
still black, but it's a slightly lighter shade of black, yes,
because something about the tape is switched over to it's
been cut at that point.

Speaker 2 (12:40):
Oh, I'm just gonna let a watch over me. Just wonderful,
wonderful things.

Speaker 3 (12:58):
It's as if the screen like knows that big blue
screen is coming? Is it? The sound subtly changes. It's
that Colossium collection, bitch. It's TLF ten years strong, August
third mm. So the cover has Brett Hart Cross bodying.

Speaker 2 (13:17):
I don't.

Speaker 3 (13:18):
I think it's Steamboat. It's definitely not a member of
the Killer Bees, but someone in Red Rights. But this
is a Heel Heart Foundation.

Speaker 2 (13:25):
Man.

Speaker 3 (13:25):
We don't spend enough time talking about that. A glorious,
A glorious thing right there, Heel Heart Foundation. Do you think, yes, here,
they're quite glorious.

Speaker 2 (13:34):
They are. I mean, it's one of the it's one
of the things that I feel is what is not
you know, recognize as much in terms of in terms
of uh a tag team, uh one of the greatest
tag teams is is not just hard Foundation, but heel
heart foundation.

Speaker 3 (13:54):
Right, the ability to have done that, have done both.
You know everyone's highlight Heart Foundation moment. It's gonna be
Summer Slam Night one. But that doesn't mean that, right,
was Brent right in a ninety pardon me when they
beat Demolition in the two out of three falls ninety
one was when he goes single? But the totality of
it is exactly right, Like, not only did they have

(14:14):
great moments, did they work both sides? And when people
say the greatest tag team in the wit of history
and they start talking about Demolition, I mean the Babyfaces,
but they didn't have anything close to a babyface moment
like the Hearts did on both sides.

Speaker 2 (14:32):
I disagree. Okay, I think they definitely had a babyface
moment at WrestleMania Sex when they beat Okay, that was that.
That that was electric that I was electric? And you
know that to me? Is is is equal? That's equal?

Speaker 3 (14:45):
Okay? That's my only won My only question is that
equal to the Hearts at SummerSlam ninety?

Speaker 2 (14:49):
Yeah? Because because you know, the pop like, because there
was a there was a sense you know, you know
when when the Hearts win the tag titles, it's it
is a moment, but it's not like, what what's so
great about about the restumating six sixth demolition moment is
that is the embrace afterwards? Okay, the embrace because because

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what that signified was that they were on a journey
that had just completed it. You know, when they lost
the belts to to to the Colossal Connection in December
of eighty nine, it's like they started on a journey
to to reclaim that greatness. And it's it's it's that,
it's a it's a moment. It's just great. That's to me.
But at the same time, you know, in terms of

(15:33):
in terms of in ring content as well and in
terms of being they certainly were a great heel team
the first run. They were a great heel team, but
they certainly were not as great a heel team as
they were a baby faced team, where I do think
that the Hearts were equal on both sides of the fence.

Speaker 3 (15:50):
And it's remarkably to see Brett work heel in New
York because it's a different kind of heel. And we'll
get into it a little bit because It actually was
the Killer Bees matches where he was able to fit
into the skin of a New York style heel. Anvil
was you know, much more cut from that cloth, so
it wasn't as much a dance type. But it's fascinating.
Even Bred is a heel here being talked about on
commentary even in nineteen eighty six as the best technical

(16:11):
wrestler in the world. Maybe that was part of the contract,
the purchase of Stampede. Yeah right, not only.

Speaker 9 (16:21):
Yeah, yeah, my boy is the greatest technical athet of things.

Speaker 2 (16:28):
What a negotiat you got.

Speaker 9 (16:32):
Yeah, he is a very the great as he's an electrician,
I say he's the greatest electrician.

Speaker 3 (16:40):
Oh, that would be like a nineteen ninety five gimmick.
But okay, well he is the excellence of electrocution. How
about that excellence of elocution. Well, actually that's the one
thing he's not excellent at. But yeah, so it's bred
to doing a cross body says the Killer Bees, Battle
the Heart Foundation and No holds barred match. This is
WF O two seven. In terms of the serial umber

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volume made best of the WWF Yellow Jacket. You also
have Ricky the Dragon's Steamboat King Kong Bundy Well, Ricky
the Dragon Steamboat versus Jake the sak Roberts, and King
Kung Bundy versus the Junkyard Dog warranting cover real estate.
Here on this Colisseum home video also promises an incredible
display of strength. This is the two hundred and seventy
three pound King Tonga body slams not to give it away, yeah,

(17:22):
oh right, three hundred and sixty four pound Big John
stud Another fascinating little thing on this tape. Haku before
Hakku baby I know, and not.

Speaker 2 (17:31):
Only just before Hakoo, but I really had no idea
that King Tonga was a baby face. I never knew.

Speaker 3 (17:35):
We worked baby Face a very truncated little short run,
which I have to say, as tough as some of
the stuff might be to watch as we go through
the Colosseum collection, I do love that these things are
preserved and these moments in time where they were actually
behind somebody and then it didn't happen that way, but
you still have that little moment where they believe because
these are things that you know. It's really I'm very

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curure as to why these this series of tape never
made it onto the network. There's not a hint of
best ofs anywhere.

Speaker 2 (18:10):
None, they're none. They're twenty best ofs, and none of
them are on the network. And I really wonder why,
because these offer more than a significant amount of hidden gems, right,
you know that they don't like because these some of
the stuff that we've seen on here, most of the
stuff we've seen on the Best of tapes aren't even
in the hidden gems section of what was the WW

(18:32):
network but alone now, which is you know, obviously the
peacock is just a disgrace, but the like we never
there's some of the stuff we've never seen, like this
whole thing. I don't even know it happened. Again, I
didn't know that that Haku worked Babyface ever ever. So
it's it's just it's it's it's I'm I wonder if
anyone has any insight on that, because I really am

(18:53):
curious as to why the best of never made it
onto the uh on the onto the network or the
videotape section there whatever it's called home video section.

Speaker 3 (19:06):
They put all the theme not all the theme, but
they put plenty of the themed ones up and the profiles.

Speaker 2 (19:12):
Yep, there there are a lot of them there aren't
not all of them. There are definitely some that are
not on there, but there are a lot, and so
it is. It's just curious to me why they how
they chose, and why they chose, uh, you know, not
to include certain things.

Speaker 3 (19:28):
The World's most Entertaining sport, the jacket declares, and next
to the ww how about how.

Speaker 2 (19:33):
About this, how about we change that we put the
world's most most sporting entertainment. That's a little more fitting,
a little more accurate. Agreed.

Speaker 3 (19:43):
I mean, that's absolutely true. It is the world's most
sporting entertainment. That's like how the Brits would say it,
you know. Oh yes, wa for Wrestling Federation official video.
There's your and seeing me on the back cover the
best of the w w follow you made, picture of
the Killer Bees, picture of the Heart, foundation of Jimmy Hart,
picture of Brian Blair, to walking on a side headlock
on Jim knightheart text reads, will it be the Year

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of the Snake or the Dragon? The Snake Roberts versus
Rookie the Dragon Steamboat from the w w F archives,
Peter Morales versus Adrian Adonnas and Pat Patterson versus Louell
Bano and WWF newcomers on the rise, and they're hot.
The jacket says Hercules herned As, Ted r CD, the
Golden Boy, Dan Spivey, Jimmy Jack Funk, handsome, Harley Race
a w TWF newcomer on the rise. That's just too

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much to call Harley Race a newcomer on the rise
in company with these guys, these relative rookies I just mentioned.

Speaker 2 (20:31):
Well, I mean, he'd never worked in the company before,
right as far as you know, he's a rookie. You know,
you see, he didn't come when I asked him to
I want to say that he didn't come when I
originally asked him to come, and so you know right
now he is definitely a rookie. He's having a rookie
year in the w W.

Speaker 3 (20:47):
He sound like a frustrated porn director of there events.
But I mean, I do invite you to consider Harley
Race and WWF before he was king that, that to
me was also very uncomfortable, kind of tough. Isn't it
tough to look at I'm I'm.

Speaker 2 (21:02):
Yeah, because because he just you know, he doesn't This
is when he started stopped looking like Harley Race.

Speaker 3 (21:10):
Oh, just the waistband is being tested like you wouldn't believe.

Speaker 2 (21:13):
I mean, also without the facial hair and that, you know,
because now he looks like the love child of Ned
Beaty and u uh uh, what the fuck is the
Albert Brooks?

Speaker 3 (21:25):
You know, like that's a problem by Eddie Stefanie Is
that is a problem, Like, come on, Ned Beatty and
Albert Brooks, that's just not good business. Well, I mean,
and this is like the ultimate capitulation. Mister, I'm gonna
fucking you know, put Vincent a front headlock in nineteen
eighty three because I won't walk out with the title
mister I'm gonna bring a gun to the Kansas City

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thing because WWF's coming into my town. Now he's fucking
now he's feeding at the at the trough.

Speaker 2 (21:53):
Yeah, you didn't think we would ever make it, did you?

Speaker 3 (21:55):
Come on? Come on, Haw's that New York has that
New York money smell. Now let me tell you, Let
me take you and tell you what, tell you what
with the amount of money that you're making on you know,
on my dime. Now tell you what. We're gonna go
have a stake at Peter Luger's on you. You aren't
even to see a dent, all right, pal, that's the

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way we roll up here in the big time. Too bad,
Jimmy Weston's isn't still open. I would love to have
dined there before the live show where Vince Vince and
his cronies used to meet in the back to parcel
out the gate and hey, we just got to see
if you know, I'm keeping in mind. Listen, I'm I'm
keeping my uh uh uh you know, what are they?

Speaker 2 (22:36):
What are they? You know? My eyes peeled I'm waiting
for you know, see if that Golden Steer opens up
a little early in New York so so supposed to open
in the fall, but location exactly table side.

Speaker 3 (22:49):
Caesar never hurt anybody. Oh yes, well maybe we'll just
have to go to Vegas next year and get it,
get it appropriate. You know, they're they're they're talented.

Speaker 2 (23:01):
Now that they're now that they know when when they
finally opened that the New York location, Like I have
no reason to go to Vegas right right? That'll kill it,
you know, it really does. I mean, at some point
maybe want to go, but like there's no actual reason
to go.

Speaker 3 (23:15):
The awesome King Kong Bundy meets the Junkyard Dog and
Bobby the Brain. Heington interferes and must pay the price.
That's all promised on the video jacket of the Best
of the World Wrestling Federation Volume Mate. So it's significant
in that you have the the Killer Bees and the
Hard Foundation. This is a little feud that had a

(23:35):
lot of big plans behind it but never really got
going in terms of the Killer Bees were penciled in
to win the w w F Tag Team Championships at
some point.

Speaker 2 (23:42):
That's just inappropriate.

Speaker 3 (23:44):
Yeah, you got to always remember how close Brian Blair
was with hul Kogan from the very beginning, going back to.

Speaker 2 (23:49):
Tampa and so wacky to me, so wacky to me.

Speaker 3 (23:53):
Favored Nations in a lot of ways, and Jim Brunzell
was very close with Jesse Ventura, who had no small
degree of sway in the company as well at that
point in time. In fact, Brian Blair and others have
chalked up the Killer Bee's lack of ever capturing the
Gold in the large part to the fact that Jim
Brunzell was not necessarily shy about being with Jesse Ventura
around the ill fated nineteen eighty six unionization effort of

(24:16):
WWF wrestlers he thought would be just a great Why
he became a jobber to the stars after that, I'm
sure has something to do with that. Like the early nineties,
just like being a complete joke. It's pretty funny. He
gave vern gunn in ninety percent of his career earnings.
But he wants to unionize. No, I just don't want
that to happen to the next guy. You know, something's happened.
You know, these are things that happened, and something's happened.

(24:37):
Great point, Verney, put that on your headstone. Something's happened.
Tell that to the guy in the nursing hair. Oh,
I'll tell you what it would do me a favor.
And when you do form the union, let me know
and I'll certainly negotiate with you. Yeah, be glad to
be glad to negotiate with the union. I'm all about unionizing.
I'm all about taking that union. That's nice, taking n union.

(25:00):
I was gonna say, if you're all about unionizing, then
why couldn't superclashes ever come together? What about all those
super Bowls of wrestling you wanted to come up with
every eight months?

Speaker 2 (25:10):
I just want to push my good buddy Jim Brunzell.
He's from Minnesota. He's from Minnesota. I'm from Minnesota.

Speaker 3 (25:17):
That's a great start we have. I believe there's a connection.
The Hearts worked for Burn and Brian Gagney.

Speaker 2 (25:28):
And the Bees.

Speaker 3 (25:29):
The Hearts and the Bees did have a match on
Saturday Night's Made event, but that was about the height
of it. They did the thing with the switcheroo on
the Bees mask where they put masks on and switched
who was in the ring, and it never really came together.
You had the situation where they had to get the
belts off the Bulldogs, and interestingly will be doing British
Bulldogs pretty soon on the Coliseum collection. That's in the

(25:50):
next batch as the profile piece. But you know, due
to Tom Billington's back injury, they had to sort of
change plans and get the belts off them in haste,
and then you had some unexpected twists and turns along
the way that kind of ended up boxing the Killer
B's out of what seemed to be a plan to
put the straps on him. We're going to turn now
to the recent released truth be Told be ee Told

(26:12):
by Brian Blair and He and Douglas a nice volume.
I'd suggest picking it up. It's Brian Blair, for whatever
you want to say about him. He's definitely, you know,
mister cauliflower Alley, mister like studious about the wrestling business,
mister elected official down in Hillsboro County, Florida. He he's
pretty good about kind of laying it all out about
his career and being kind of meticulous in his recollections.

(26:34):
It's one of the better books in that regard. I
will say though, that he certainly, he certainly knows how
to say that wasn't my fault, that wasn't my fault,
that was of course it's of that. And then you
read the other guy's book and it was kind of
his fault yep, including nose candy problems.

Speaker 2 (26:50):
I'm sure that there is a lot that is b
Brian Blair's fault that he is unwilling to admit to.

Speaker 3 (26:57):
Even without the belts around our waists, Jim and I
proved we could perform at a high level under duress. Moreover,
we proved we could deliver great matches even on nights
when the WWF management team made us miserable. Before we
ever stepped into the ring. Athleticmmissioner Richard Hanring offered Tony
and I the opportunity Tony's wife to spend some time
together at an awesome ski resort in the Catskill Mountains,
and we readily accepted as kind offer. However, the result

(27:19):
of this was that I was late arriving to Madison
Square Garden. What match do you think that would have
been for Boss?

Speaker 2 (27:25):
That he was coming this one?

Speaker 3 (27:27):
That's right, because we had been forced to slowly navigate
ourselves through the Catskill Mountains on midst a snowstorm. Our
car was slipping and sliding all over the road, so
we had to slow things down dramatically just to get
through it all safely. As a result, I was very
late for that night's scheduled match featuring the Killer Bees
against the Hart Foundation. Let me just take a triple
check here, yes, sir, for every seventeenth this would have

(27:49):
been in the dead of winner. Yep, I believe that.
So he was extra late to this show. Tony and
Tony and I arrived at the garden with barely any
time left for me to get dressed before I was
due to step in the ring. When we finally ran
into the building. Vince was really pissed off at me.
God damn it, Vince yelled, I can't afford to hold
up a show in a garden because you want to

(28:09):
take your time getting here.

Speaker 2 (28:11):
There's no for who are you are? You're the wrestler?
Are you? Are you? Are you? What do you?

Speaker 5 (28:18):
What?

Speaker 3 (28:18):
Are you here to entertain me? Or what a Russell?
A Russell retain as Vince got some of the nose
candy too. Sounds like George Carlin on the first s and.

Speaker 2 (28:28):
L what are you here for? Are you? Are you
a killer bee? Is that? Where you are you? Are
you that fucking idiot? Brunzell, Jesus Christ, get dressed, you motherfucker?

Speaker 3 (28:42):
You know what else kind of sank their ships. A
story Brunzelle tells a pardon me that Blair tells in
his book is how when they came out with the
Tiller killer Bees Ringer t shirts, WWF is coming out
with shorts for everybody, and the merchandise catalog in the
magazine was starting to become a thing. Vince, cording to Blair,
called them into the office and proudly flashed the new
design of the Keller Bee's T shirt. What do you think, Pal?

(29:03):
And it kind of has like this, it looks like
a fly as much as it does a bee in
terms of the the design of the eyes and the body.
It doesn't they they chose the bee wings to like
be this huge design element. It doesn't really look like
a bee. But of course, Brian Blair is a politician.

Speaker 2 (29:19):
I love it.

Speaker 3 (29:20):
It looks tremendous. I love it so much because you know,
you're supposed to be grateful.

Speaker 2 (29:23):
This is the core thing, of course, like you you're
getting a T shirt and how many people get T shirts?

Speaker 3 (29:26):
Right? But according to Blair, Brunselle is just like, eh,
don't know, oh, not really much.

Speaker 2 (29:32):
And Mince was like, what so that not even isn't much?
Who are you? What are you exactly? You know what?

Speaker 4 (29:39):
Pal?

Speaker 3 (29:40):
I appreciate your feedback. I'm gonna come out with a
Jim Brunzell shirt. I want you to come back tomorrow
night at the tapings and I'm gonna show it to you.
I'm gonna have ready in twenty four hours. Quick turn around, Pal,
because I you your because let me tell you, sore
satisfaction is very important to me.

Speaker 2 (29:53):
Jim, I want I want to please you, pll That's
what I'm here to do. I'm here to please you.
I'm here to please Jim Brunzells. I'm the number one.
I'm the president of the Jim Brunzelle Fan Club, Pipal.
Before you go, can you know walllet open for me.
Do you happen to have a picture of your family
in there? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (30:09):
I would love. I would love to get kind of
like a candid of you for the magazine with you
kind of in your familiar element because you're such a family.

Speaker 2 (30:15):
Thank you for that. Let me ask you that wait,
is that your wife right there? Yes?

Speaker 3 (30:19):
Yeah, yeah, Vince is okay, great.

Speaker 2 (30:20):
Well, you know, I'm very congratulations, very attractive. Thank you.

Speaker 3 (30:24):
Thanks for the photo. I'll get it back to tomorrow. Pal,
and I'll see you at the taping. Just come into
my office and I'll see what I come up with.
Hopefully it's to your liking. All right, Vents sounds good.
Twenty four hours later, Jim, come on in, go ahead, boss, Jim,
I want to show you. So I took the picture
and I actually decided to to modify it a little bit,
all right, to modify it a little bit, maybe you know,

(30:44):
at a little tech kind of taking it to the
next level. And so here I want you to see
this one right here. This is what we've done to
kind of change up a little bit.

Speaker 2 (30:51):
You see that. You see that that's me, that's my penis,
and it's in your wife. You like that shirt, bitch? Huh?
How about me put my spinger in your woman? I'm
the Killer Bee wow uh And you can see my

(31:13):
sweet honey going dribbling out.

Speaker 3 (31:17):
I think there may be an I'm the Killer b
T shirt coming soon to Pro Wrestling teas dot com.
Slash the Lapsed Fan.

Speaker 1 (31:25):
It's the la Fan Wrestling podcast, the wrestling podcast that

(31:58):
knows the boys need their candy. It's the Lapsed Fan.

(32:34):
He's the Lapsed Fan Wrestling podcast with Jack and Carnacio
and JP Sorro.

Speaker 3 (32:40):
I mean, we can't just as well freestyle the creation
of a T shirt without offering it to the lapsed public,
can't we? And I promise you that was organic, that
we weren't working backwards. There was no from coming up
with the T shirt. All my picture of Brenzel's like
miserable face, like I know that fucking you to ask,
like angular face of his and his stupid smile. He's

(33:03):
not impressed by this teacher.

Speaker 2 (33:05):
He's such a bitch, you know, I never I just
cannot stand jim brinzil He's so fucking annoying.

Speaker 3 (33:13):
Nice guy though I'm sure he is from Minnesota, he
doesn't really have a choice.

Speaker 2 (33:17):
They're all they're all, they're all nice guys and whatever,
but you know what, they're so fucking annoying, all right,
you know, and I can't and listen, listen. He can't
help the fact that his face is a complete disaster.

Speaker 3 (33:31):
It's that the the teenage girls at the show's in
eighty six thought.

Speaker 2 (33:34):
Let me tell you, look, listen, I'm sure, I'm sure
he I'm sure they love taking his drop kicks. Okay,
I'm sure you I'm sure for Jimmy Brinzel, they wanted.

Speaker 3 (33:46):
His hot day.

Speaker 2 (33:49):
Dude, brother, what did you Ronzie like?

Speaker 3 (33:55):
He let Hulk stay in his like his condo and
like St. Paul while Hogan was having something renovated. You know, ah, yes,
I love the idea, these like hyper tanned, muscular wrestlers
who have to pretend to be from like California, but
it's like four degrees in Minnesota for half the year
unless my favorite part of the w A.

Speaker 2 (34:16):
So I'm looking at this shirt now, by the way,
I'm looking at this fucking.

Speaker 3 (34:20):
Yeah, the one they're talking about. It is like, I
don't it's an abomination. It is like I blame them
are up there, Like, what are those wings? I see
the wings, the wings, the blue wings. I see it's
the black things they're above bees. I don't understand what
that is. It looks like a ball sack, sergeant ball sack.

(34:43):
There is there a piece of donut on the receiver,
on a plastic donut as a as it's referred to
with bonfire or the vanities. I don't know, man, you
want us to go to your house, John to check
on him. Let me see what Brian, what Blair says

(35:05):
about the shirt? Okay, Vince held out a white Ringer
T shirt Truman's black ribbing that designed in the middle
of the shirts of killer Bees and black font with
a Yello three D shadow. Protruding from those words were
two blue jelly bean shaped ovals that were supposed to
be wings, and some gray eyes that more closely resemble
the eyes of a fly. The eyes, So those are

(35:26):
supposed to be eyes. I see that's what you're I
don't have in front.

Speaker 2 (35:28):
Of I see yep, yeah yeah, well then yeah, because
there's these two black circles above above the word bees.
You can see the the ovals. It's yeah, okay, so
that's all right? Well hey, uh great, cool, Listen, nothing wrong.

Speaker 3 (35:45):
I'm sure Brian Preanriy knows who designed it, and perfect
if it was him, he doesn't remember who designed it.

Speaker 2 (35:49):
Yeah, you damn right. I wouldn't either if I designed it.
If I designed it, I wouldn't remember it either. Imagine that.

Speaker 3 (35:54):
Just like you go from like no art department too,
We're gonna come out with sixty T shirts in a month,
like draw draw logos for all these guys.

Speaker 2 (36:02):
Geez, well, you.

Speaker 3 (36:04):
Know they're standing up a real enterprise, hairpel. We got
a real marketing machine going and you're dont need to
hop on board.

Speaker 2 (36:10):
We believe in we're licensing, promise of merchandising, licensing and
all sorts of iving.

Speaker 3 (36:17):
The promise of merchandising. A Harvard Business School study of
ww F and Vince.

Speaker 2 (36:22):
Bick that would definitely be a Harvard Business School like
uh like class the promise of merchandising.

Speaker 3 (36:30):
So Vince's pissed at they're late, and Brian Blair writes,
as I rushed to change into my ring gear and
Jim stood nearby, blackjack Lands approached us. You're getting fined
five hundred dollars for being late, Brian, he said, I
was already stressed out from having to drive in through
the blizzard. Finding out I was being fined on top
of it definitely dampened my mood even further. I would
simply have to suck it up and jog out to
the ring as a baby face while pretending to be
exuberant and happy. That was asinine timing on the Atlanza. Yeah,

(36:54):
that is set to true truism about the business.

Speaker 2 (36:56):
You know. It's like, actually, no, that's perfect. That's exactly listen.
That is exactly perfect timing. Okay, because he is now
because now, first of all, you fucked up. Now you
get caught, and now you're going to be tested, and.

Speaker 3 (37:11):
You got to go out there and make up for it.
Not just have a good match, you actually, you know,
have more than a good match.

Speaker 2 (37:16):
I've got to. So I'm gonna go out there and
I'm gonna I'm gonna make it harder for you. You fucked up.
You're fined all right? Yep. Your wife is in custody
right now with the boss. So what do you got.

Speaker 3 (37:29):
There's a bit of a custodial relationship going on here, pal.
What are you going to do? You know, how are
you going to make it right?

Speaker 2 (37:35):
Son? He's not.

Speaker 3 (37:37):
Brian Blair talks a little bit more about it, and
we'll get to it as being a phenomenon at WW
have to give you bad news as you go through
the curtain. He's not the only one that has said this.

Speaker 2 (37:45):
Well.

Speaker 3 (37:45):
I think of Earl Hebner, for one, right at summer
at Fiber Series ninety seven, if you don't believe Sean
Michael's account where he told him in the locker room
hours beforehand.

Speaker 2 (37:53):
But you know, we.

Speaker 3 (37:53):
Asked Earl about that at Wrestle kan and he flipped
out saying it was bullshit. For those who caught that
on Patreon, you decide who's lying there, but it's you know,
I feel like I don't have a bunch bunch of
examples off the top of my head, but I feel
like I've heard this several times that it is part
of the mind games they play, is they don't necessarily
want you going through the curtain into secure of a mood.

(38:16):
You know, it probably doesn't serve their purpose if you
go out there feeling not, if not just a little
bit job scared.

Speaker 2 (38:23):
You know, well, I also think too, But I also
think like the idea of testing you. You know, we're
gonna you know, we're gonna see how you go overcome this.
Are you a real performer? Can you go out there
and be miserable yet act like you're in a great mood?

Speaker 8 (38:37):
Right?

Speaker 3 (38:37):
Can you flip that switch exactly?

Speaker 2 (38:39):
You know, are you capable of hiding that's dollar signs
right there? If you can find someone to do that?

Speaker 3 (38:44):
Yeah, because if that's who Vince is, you know, Vince,
Vince is the guy who like is known for not
selling anything, you know, I mean he's got a torn
quad as.

Speaker 2 (38:52):
Well as tickets.

Speaker 3 (38:54):
Absolutely so, Blair continues, having been five to five hundred,
fine five hundred, He said, the agents always seemed to
enjoy slamming you with bad news as expediently and directly
as possible, even if it meant compromising the quality of
your in ring performance. What were we just saying?

Speaker 2 (39:12):
Yeah? Exactly there it is right there, It really is exactly.

Speaker 3 (39:18):
And if you did have a bad performance, they would
have blamed that on you as well. It would have
been a much fairer move for Landsa to wait until
I had already gone out and worked my match before
delivering the unwelcome news to me. Jack's timing really could
not have been much worse. The Hard Foundation was standing
in the middle of the ring, waiting in front of
a sold out Madison Square Garden, and Howard Finkle had
alread announced the entrance to the Killer Bees. Meanwhile, my
boots weren't even laced up yet. They announced him going,

(39:41):
and he hadn't His boots weren't laced up yet. How
was that even possible? Well, they probably knew he was
in the building and would come out and just try
to keep the show on time with.

Speaker 2 (39:53):
His with unlaced boots and unlaced boots.

Speaker 3 (39:55):
Yeah, yeah, well.

Speaker 2 (39:56):
That just seems I don't know, bad.

Speaker 3 (40:01):
Yes, not not advisable, like make sure the man's booty laced.

Speaker 2 (40:04):
Listen, listen.

Speaker 3 (40:05):
I don't necessarily fault them for giving bad news to
somebody as they're on their way out. I don't think
it's a nice thing to do, but I don't necessarily
fault them, but with him not actually being ready to wrestle,
that to me puts four men in danger. We can
wait a second, hair pell right, I guess not well,
you know, plus Blair is probably exaggerating, but sure, And

(40:28):
I was in a state of sheer panic. Can you
imagine that? Can you imagine hitting that building, you know,
the garden. Can you imagine hitting that back door knowing
you're on in like ten minutes? Oh you're not even
near the curtain yet, No way, not even listen, you
know how much anxiety getting to the garden after that
blizzard ont age.

Speaker 2 (40:48):
Because keep in mind too, you know, it's not like
I don't know where, you know, the building isn't that
much different than it is now. But if you're you know, performing,
you've also got to go up, you know, in the
back end, and there's a long I don't know, you know,
there's a long, winding driveway up there, and and it's uh,
it's it's I mean, I'm sure they drove, but I

(41:09):
don't know if they drove or not. I mean, they
had to walk it. You know, it's a lot of
stuff to consider, and.

Speaker 3 (41:13):
It's, uh, it's that's not that that's that's rough.

Speaker 2 (41:19):
That is rough. That's a real shitty, fucking.

Speaker 3 (41:24):
You know, way to to to show up without a doubt.
I should also say it's fault, but you know not
its fault per se, but it's still it sucks. It
sucks for him. I should also say, and not to
imply anything, but just to plant this flag in case,
in case, this is all some kind of joke which
happens with wrestlers. What do they always kind of mean
when they talk about it was snowing or.

Speaker 2 (41:47):
Okay mmmm mmm.

Speaker 3 (41:51):
RTT comes right out in his book as we'll get
to and says that, you know, Blair having a coke
failure was was a big problem because when Jake got
nailed for it, he turned right around appointed at Blair
like why isn't he in trouble too?

Speaker 2 (42:03):
And wow?

Speaker 3 (42:04):
So maybe that's just Brian Blair using some euphemisms for.

Speaker 2 (42:10):
Interesting, for for drugging.

Speaker 3 (42:11):
I'm just I'm just saying I'm not saying it's true.
I'm just saying if it were to come true later, Uh,
you don't get the satisfaction of being like, ah, we
worked them about yeah, come on.

Speaker 2 (42:21):
Beep, Jim yelled, we gotta go.

Speaker 3 (42:23):
Beep was his name for Jim Brenzel's name for Brian Blair.
We hadn't discussed beep, Like, if you're honking horn, what
the fuck?

Speaker 2 (42:32):
I don't.

Speaker 3 (42:32):
I don't know deep b Brian. I guess it kind
of sounds like bee bee.

Speaker 2 (42:37):
Beep Brian Blair. Beep Brian.

Speaker 3 (42:41):
Maybe we could beat Brian Blair tonight. We'll have to say, Brother,
we hadn't discussed it, right, That's where he comes in.
We hadn't be new like, I need to be part
of this discussion.

Speaker 2 (42:50):
What do you whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa? Dude? You
can make up nicknames? Brother? Who said that? I wasn't
including this, Dudehy are you making nicknames up for Brian Blair? Brother?
I mean you can consider the movie made should read
my creative control.

Speaker 3 (43:04):
It doesn't. It's not just my program. I have created
control over brother, Brother.

Speaker 2 (43:09):
I have creative control in general.

Speaker 3 (43:12):
I have control over creative dude.

Speaker 2 (43:15):
I control creative brother. So, like, you know this deep
thing doing, I haven't been passed by me. Brother hasn't
crossed my desk. You know, this kind shit makes me nervous.

Speaker 3 (43:32):
This kind of ship, he calls it like enough of
these games, Like no one even thinks no one didn't
know ware they're playing a game, but is gonna Helk
is going to tell you you're playing a game and then
tell you he's sick of it in the same breath.

Speaker 2 (43:45):
See. I also love the idea of creative control, Hogan.
You know who's in the back at a show like this, Yes,
all right, and he's got you know, he's got like
Vince McMahon spectacles down on his nose. God, all right.
That that's that's control, Hogan.

Speaker 3 (44:01):
He's like the last mile on the delivery route of
creative Like exactly right, here's what we have for tonight.
Just want to get your sign off.

Speaker 2 (44:07):
I'm not digging it, dude.

Speaker 3 (44:09):
This is fifth match, brother, I'm not sure about this.
On the could we cross it up? It sounds like
some of those those leaked like not leaked, but those
put on TNA executive meetings that they would have the
whole God where he's like, yeah, suggesting like what if
we didn't do this finish and this guy hit him
with a chair instead, and everyone again like it.

Speaker 2 (44:27):
You know if we kind of like if we d
around here, do I know you got you know this
guy working here, brother, but I'm wondering, you know, what
if we put you know, what if instead dude of working? Uh?
You know this thing where we put p Brian Blair here, brother, right?
And then you know also kind of have him with
the killer beats. But it's also you know, we kind
of like mix things up a little bit. Do you
know what I'm saying?

Speaker 3 (44:45):
And I'm fully aware of what I'm suggesting. Brother, It
doesn't make any logical sense with what we're doing, but
you have to realize there's cameras in this room, and
I have to make it look like I'm doing something.

Speaker 2 (44:53):
And brother, what do you understand, dude, is that I'm
taking this creative. I'm not digging the other creative.

Speaker 3 (44:57):
Do you remember when he came up with like the
different finish and on that doc from T n H,
Bischoff goes.

Speaker 2 (45:03):
I like it. What if we had we got?

Speaker 8 (45:07):
We got you?

Speaker 7 (45:09):
Right?

Speaker 2 (45:09):
You like it? You don't have a choice, brother. You
know later on you know on the show, do we
also got Ted r CD versus Terry Gibbs? Dude? And
when I'm wondering, brother, what if, dude? And what if
what if we made Ted or City and Terry Gibbs
the Killer Bees. Brother, let me put b Brian Blair
on the Hart Foundation. I'm just saying this cost stuff

(45:31):
is what fans dig. Brother.

Speaker 3 (45:35):
I mean, ted Our City came in claiming and have
the largest arms in the world, so it would not
surprise me if he can many creative suggestions for ted
Ur City.

Speaker 2 (45:45):
I mean, we measured, brother, do we you know do?
I just want to know you know what we're how
we measuring arms these days? Dude? What's the what's the practice?

Speaker 3 (45:52):
The strongest man in the world? Brother, Wow, pleasure to
meet a little bit.

Speaker 2 (45:57):
Come on, I'm here, dude. Hey, let's take a picture
of this brother, strongest man dude. Thanks.

Speaker 4 (46:03):
Brother.

Speaker 3 (46:03):
Look, I don't know if anyone brought you up to
speed dude on the on the how things work around here.

Speaker 2 (46:07):
Brother.

Speaker 3 (46:07):
But the PRIs oga I am is that you know,
someone comes in brother with a big you know jack
like you are. Brother, you know, look in tremendous. The
first thing you gotta do is loose to whole Cogan brother,
just to establish a sort of baseline, dude. So let's
get that done as soon as possible. What it is
to do so I don't want I don't want to
like to say that. I'm like playing you know, like
a championship card and you brother, I'm not trying to
do that too. I'm trying to say, hey, you know,

(46:29):
hul Coagan is the top of the food chain when
it comes to w W.

Speaker 4 (46:32):
Brother.

Speaker 2 (46:32):
I think that's probably is that you know, brother, everyone
you know because here you know, we're here right now. Brother,
We're a family, Brother, That's how we do things. You know,
we're family. Everyone's kind of equal, dude. And I'm digging that, brother,
I'm digging the fact that you know, hey, we want
to set our studio strongest. I'm like, I'm like, I'm dude,
you're like rocking it, brother, and I'm digging that, dude.

(46:53):
But what you know, what we do, your brother, you
gotta remember everyone's equal, everyone on the same plane, dude.
Your dial you know everything with everything that you think
you are, you got to dial that back in a
little bit, dude. You know, kind of kind of like reorganized, dude.
And so what we do is we all you know,
everyone comes in, brother, and you got to coind of
pay those dues. You know, everyone everyone in the company
has paid those dues. Brother, the last thing you want
to do is make enemies in the locker room. Brother,

(47:14):
you know is coming with some target on your back
is the guy who didn't have to pay the same
dues I dude. See, I don't mind being a champ.
I don't mind champing you, dude. I'm a champ, brother,
and I can champ others. And I'm down with tamp
championing ted Ar Citi. Brother.

Speaker 3 (47:27):
But you know, you know, you know, listen, think about
hul Coagan and think about kind of keeping this w
W family kind of alive and kind of keeping on
you know, moving machine.

Speaker 2 (47:37):
Brother. It's all about quid quid pro quote. Brother. You
know that you heard that expression, dude. You know you
know your lat proto. You know you're bigger than the
Latin dude. Now, well quit pro quote. Brother. It's kind
of like, you know what you do for me? Boy,
what are you gonna do? You know, if I just
want it for you, what are you gonna do for me?
And so I'm all about that, dude. And so I'll
tell you what, brother.

Speaker 3 (47:55):
It's called qu.

Speaker 2 (47:58):
Pro wrestling quick quick quote. That's what we do. Dude.
First off, brother, come in you and I you know,
we square off program, brother, you know Hogan our CD dude,
Main Event, Wreussell Main Event and fucking you know massive
Square Garden. I'll tell you what we do is this
kind of builds you up a little bit more, make
you kind of more of a threat. You know what's

(48:19):
going to do now in the future, Dude, You're going
to face whold Hogan is that you lose me fifteen
times in a row, all right, brother, And that's time
we kind of build you up because like, oh, wait
a minute, this guy's not a threat, dude. And all
of a sudden, whoa whoa, whoa whoa? You know, fifteen
times now, all of a sudden, you know, something happens, Bro.

Speaker 3 (48:35):
That whole time the gears were turning and you were
sort of downloading what you need to know about hult Cokain.

Speaker 2 (48:41):
Think of it like a pope. Think of like a
poker game. Brother, I'm playing poker. You didn't like long
term game?

Speaker 4 (48:45):
Dude.

Speaker 3 (48:45):
You're not thinking about, you know, winning each hand. You're
thinking about waiting a minute, how can I figure out?
You know, what are these guys tell? Who am I
playing with?

Speaker 2 (48:52):
Brother? What are their tells? Dude? That's what you're doing
in fifteen matches. Brother, as I'm burying you, dude, as
I'm taking you out leg drop actually boomba like you know,
we're talking like two minute squashes. Brother. You learned about
Hulk Hogan.

Speaker 3 (49:08):
It's like a large language model. Brother, you gotta train it.
You gotta trained it on text. You go to train
it on public domain, dude, and Hulk Coogan's your public domain.
Before you can start generating text, brother, you need to
train and say your prayers. And because you know what
to do when you're here, brother, well you're you. When
you're in the big time, you're ww do you gotta

(49:28):
kind of like be a little bit of a legal
besigl brother, if you know what I'm saying right, I
mean tendor City at this point is so confused. He
has been hit with a whirlwind of jargon and reverse
psychology and fucking babbel psychobabble.

Speaker 2 (49:49):
I just want to wrestle.

Speaker 3 (49:52):
If it was only that easy, dude. You know, so
did I At one point I thought just like that, brother,
But you know.

Speaker 2 (49:58):
Dude, that's what you know. Here's the thing, brother, The
actual wrestling part of the wrestling business, dude, is like
five percent of what we do. The rest of the dude,
is about you know.

Speaker 3 (50:06):
The winds take place back here.

Speaker 2 (50:08):
Brother, exactly, Brother, it's what happened. You know, the winds
will take place because we're what we're doing back here, dude,
and I want you in on the inner circle. Brother.
Is we are you know, we're we're you know, we're
playing like eight, five, ten, fifteen years ahead.

Speaker 3 (50:26):
In fifteen years, I'll put you over so we could
really maximize, you know, the money off this thing, because
we think.

Speaker 2 (50:32):
A long game, brother, long game, dude.

Speaker 3 (50:35):
So fifteen years from nineteen eighty six would have been
uh oh, two thousand and one, Ted, I'm ready to
do the favor, brother, Terry. You know I just had
triple bypass right. Yeah, That's why I'm calling fucking fucking
Steve Austin in the fucking royal rum. It's like that
I finally getting to win. There's someone that could have
come from the rafters of wrestling to twelve. Ted are

(50:55):
so mon beep, Jim yelled, we gotta go. We hadn't
discussed any of the spots for the match beforehand, and
we only knew the finish. Fortunately, we had worked with
the Heart Foundation so many times that it really didn't
matter at all. We had a tremendous match that went
to a time limit draw. All four of us busted
our asses in the ring that night. The fans were

(51:16):
in everything we did, and the electricity in the building
was palpable. Our match went so well that I had
completely forgotten about the fine that had been levied against me.
Brunsie and I hugged when we came back to the curtain,
and we were joined by Brett Hart and Jim Nightheart
a few seconds later. Vince didn't say anything to Jim
and I directly, but we could tell from his expression
that he was very impressed with what he'd just witnessed.
Great match, guys, Brett said, hell of a match. From there,

(51:38):
I hit the showers, and as I was getting dressed,
I saw Lanza marching back over to me. That's when
it dawned on me that I had pretty much just
delivered one of the best matches of my career at
a drastic discount, since five hundred dollars would be deducted
from my one thousand, two hundred and fifty dollars pay Hey,
Brian Blackjack said, Vince loved that match so much that
he's not gonna find you.

Speaker 2 (51:57):
Wow, you're damn fucking.

Speaker 3 (51:59):
Right, really asked. Yeah, Lansa confirmed he got everything he
wanted out of the psychological game.

Speaker 2 (52:04):
No, he didn't say that.

Speaker 3 (52:06):
He said, you guys worked too hard in that match
and that he couldn't find you with a clear conscience.
Please tell him, I said, I really appreciate that, because
I've been worried the whole time. I said, how did
you have a match that good if you were worried
about being fined?

Speaker 2 (52:16):
Laughed Jack.

Speaker 3 (52:18):
I have no idea, Jack, I said, as barely and
sarcastically as I could. It just happened somewhere. Vince is smiling.

Speaker 2 (52:26):
Yah, just happened. Find him anyway.

Speaker 3 (52:33):
He gets a check for five hundred less.

Speaker 2 (52:35):
Yeah. What he doesn't know is that I was going
to pay him seventeen hundred dollars. I was already fighting
before he even came into the building. Five hundred in
my wallet. Yes, for pleasure. Time for Vincent man.

Speaker 3 (52:51):
Tuck like that in eighty six.

Speaker 2 (52:53):
No less.

Speaker 3 (52:56):
Opella got a envelope here, and I think you'll see
everything's in order.

Speaker 8 (52:59):
One.

Speaker 3 (53:00):
I want to take account of those bills there it counts, okay,
ten ten bills? You know, I'm sorry, you know, actually
hold on, I apologize, you know, we get can I
see that.

Speaker 2 (53:11):
Good? I'm sorry? We actually I have we have to
pay you in ones. I apologize. You gotta have all
ones and you can't count if you want. There's definitely
gonna be I promise you there's going to be twelve
hundred ones. I guarantee that I use that word a lot.
You'll see. I guarantee that was guarantee. Excuse me, excuse me.

Speaker 3 (53:37):
I also like the idea of just taking the envelope
and taking five one out of you.

Speaker 2 (53:43):
You look me, just looking. I guess I'm gonna take
this one. Okay, take this and this because these are
you know, I don't know if you were this, but
you do have to do pay w W W dows
when you join the company.

Speaker 3 (53:58):
You're not being fine pale, but I understand you. It's
not a fine, but I understand your pro union and
of course you would have no no objection to dues paying.

Speaker 2 (54:05):
But I'll tell you this, I mean, listen, it's not
a fine, but you did goddamn fine work out there.
But I'm going to take let me sit here. Yes,
I'm going to take eleven hundred of this further your
dues for the month. Thank you. You can take one
hundred dollars.

Speaker 3 (54:20):
Have fun.

Speaker 2 (54:21):
Get out. I'm not I'm not I'm not joking. Have fun.
Get the fuck here for I kill you. Oh shit,
you were right in the middle of it all. That's
really where we belonged.

Speaker 3 (54:33):
Do you want to die being Brian Blair? Are you
interested in that sort of activity? Do you want to
be dead Brian Blair? Are you interested in that sort
of activity? I look at dying as an activity. I
guess it's the last one, the final activity that somehow

(54:59):
was less less uh pizzazz than the final countdown during
O'Brien's retirement, the final activity, the final activity and Blee Stadium.

Speaker 2 (55:09):
Oh man, So over to Brett's book.

Speaker 3 (55:11):
Let's see how that is. You're retiring for real? Well
he pretty much did, and then he kind of is
poking his head back up again.

Speaker 2 (55:17):
Yeah, right, because he always is, because he's a bit.

Speaker 3 (55:20):
Because he needs to he needs to counter moves from
his opponent's shoulder into the LaBelle Locke, you know in
mid air. You know how that goes. He's going to
transition into submissions exactly right, less transitioning, posting, rolling through
less the rest wrestling world be deprived of his jiu

(55:40):
jitsu comb pro wrestling style. So we go to Brett
Hart's book, Let's see if the flip side of the
Coin remembers this as fondly. I never had any idea
Brett Wright's how long any of this would last. So
in mid February that year, I brought my parents down
to watch me work Madison Square Garden. My mom hadn't
been to a wrestling match since she and Stew had
met when he was working in New York in the forties.

(56:01):
She'd watch him heel beat up on Stew and ran
out of the building in tears. Now, all these years later,
she and Stu sat watching me and their son in
law the heels.

Speaker 2 (56:08):
Tears of joy. Right, I know.

Speaker 3 (56:12):
I was so close to being single, clean break. You
ever see that picture in close in Times Square after
World War II, when the sailors sucking face with that girl.
I felt like I could have grabbed a sailor and
recreated the moment. That's how liberated I felt. I was
so close of being free of your father, that piece

(56:33):
of shit that fucking moron trying to get me into
the rest, trying to fucking show me the way that
this is the way the world works, this fucking wrestling business.
I hate your father. He's a fucking cunt. Cunt hot,

(56:56):
that's what he is. Oh, there's Blade and beans. I
mean you might as well be. Cune's getting there. They're
running out of b words, so they got to go
to seeing you. Yeah, b Brian Blair, bitch heart would
be a good one. Bitch was already taken about b heart, Bruce.
What brother, how about that brother heart? Whoa whoa whoa

(57:21):
whoa whoa whoa whoa brother the whoa?

Speaker 2 (57:26):
We gotta put on a hard breaks on that one.

Speaker 3 (57:28):
Meeting in fifteen minutes, brother, But let bitconference room. So
I'm an order, it's gonna be a long afternoon we'll do.
We're going off harthouse, dude when against some of that
Canadian beef. Dude, figure out what's the exactly because I
am not gonna stand by and let this one take
on a life of its own.

Speaker 2 (57:45):
I'm just saying, brother, we're not gonna have a brother
heart all right, dude, you already get enough heart. Brothers.
You don't need a Brother.

Speaker 3 (57:50):
Heart sitting in his office in like the pre tightened towers,
like the Hollyhill office, and he just he just sees
like a piece of paper that says they're gonna right
to Brother Heart, and he goes, nope, throws glass down,
stands right up, We're going to Calgary.

Speaker 2 (58:03):
Let's go. Let's everybody give me a flight. Brother. That's right,
all of a sudden, fucking let's go.

Speaker 3 (58:12):
Emily booked the tickets. Brother.

Speaker 2 (58:14):
I don't know why because it's like way, it's like
ten years before this would have happened. But I just
pictured the the hul Cogan monster truck driving up to herdhouse.
What the hell is that?

Speaker 3 (58:28):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (58:31):
What a whoa bro st wizzle dude? What's up? Brother?

Speaker 3 (58:38):
Huh? He's dressed like he was dressed the Ticker Tape
parade with.

Speaker 2 (58:42):
Like like the red Spandex things there.

Speaker 3 (58:49):
You know, like you know yellow cowboy Boots's up, dude?

Speaker 2 (58:52):
What's up?

Speaker 4 (58:52):
Brother?

Speaker 3 (58:52):
Hey?

Speaker 2 (58:53):
Look, I'm I'm so happy to be up the Heart
Hiszel brother, big fan of the Heart, Hiszel dude. Yeah, huh?
Why did he he's in bright Yeallo, he's making.

Speaker 3 (59:06):
Me let Is Stew answered the door with his back
to the person on the porch. That's Son's a kind
of tough way to start.

Speaker 2 (59:15):
And his pants to the floor. You knocking hardhouse?

Speaker 3 (59:18):
Do the door swings open, but his back is to you,
like there's no way the door could have opened. But hell, brother,
about back here, bro, I want to brother, why you
got your back to me? Dude's looking down the hallway.

Speaker 2 (59:34):
A man, Well, you know the bob.

Speaker 3 (59:37):
Maybe if you all went up with your front to
the door, then you just don't know what's happening in
front of you.

Speaker 2 (59:43):
Brother turns around.

Speaker 3 (59:45):
What wait a minute, what are you? You should have
never done the Calgary You should have never I know
he real the biggest, biggest trap. He's gotten got no security?

Speaker 2 (01:00:01):
Well is that a heart? Is that? Is that? Is it? A?
Is that his brother? Brother? What heart? Everywhere? Dude? Look
at them all?

Speaker 3 (01:00:09):
You know they about all all the heart siblings like
you know, like you know what you see in in
like old Disney cartoons where you get like owls in
the woods like that. I was so glad you weren't there.
I thought you were gonna go there all in the house.
But no, like he looks up in the tree, and
he sees like Bruce's eyes through like a shrub. And

(01:00:32):
then he looks all the way to his right and
he sees Keith's face like in a tree, you know, Smith,
like is like crawling down a tree, like on the way,
like fucking claws in the tree. And he's like, it's fine,
this is this is hard, hisel brother, get it alone.

Speaker 2 (01:00:57):
You get fucking you, fucking stew With his back to
the front door, the door opens.

Speaker 3 (01:01:02):
He's not touching the handle, but it somehow opens and
it's hunchback.

Speaker 4 (01:01:10):
Low.

Speaker 2 (01:01:10):
Even better, even better, He's like, he's like, it's like
five feet away from the door with his back to
the door.

Speaker 3 (01:01:17):
Even Look, all I'm saying is hard. Hiszel is an
animated mini series waiting to happen. They would have greenlit
that back in the camp WWE days.

Speaker 2 (01:01:25):
Oh my god, can you imagine that. It's like a
horror like heart hiszel is a fucking horror like cartoons.
It's a short yeah, fucking amazing.

Speaker 3 (01:01:33):
Yeah. Now, all these years later, Brett writes, she and
Stu sat watching me and their son in law the
Heels take on the Killer Bees, who were Brian Blair
and jumping Jim Brinzel. The bees were fast and light
baby faces who were wore black and yellow striped trunks.
They had great psychology and were excellent workers. My dad
still hadn't warmed to the idea of me being a heel.
I'll never forget the stun look on Stu's face as

(01:01:54):
I viciously jackhammer stomped a quivering Jim Brunzel lying out
on the floor by the ring. Yeah, there was a fish,
a streak and Brett in this match that I didn't
remember him having. I remember him excellently executing. But he
is like getting violent out there.

Speaker 2 (01:02:08):
He's he's yes, he is a very very vicious Brett
heart and it's great, fascinating, it's wonderful.

Speaker 3 (01:02:16):
I like the way he puts it here. We built
our heat up like wolves on a wounded calf.

Speaker 2 (01:02:20):
Oh my god, him and his fucking.

Speaker 3 (01:02:22):
Flowery yeah, like fucking that and pouring hot and whatever.
Or the description of the bare breasts of one of
the group. He's on his bare back and oh my god,
the hotel. Such a fucking like. He's just a an artist,
like a suffering artist, you know, someone who like can't

(01:02:43):
find a way to express He's like.

Speaker 2 (01:02:45):
The the what do you call it? The Marquis. He's
like fucking he just has so much inside.

Speaker 3 (01:02:53):
I like that a lot. That's wonderful. We built up
our heat like wolves on a wounded calf, at one point,
doing a move we called the sandwich, I threw Annvilla
into Brunzell and he ate a sant no. I threw
anvillinto Brunzell's shoulder, tackling him into the turn buckles. Moments
later we went for the same move again, but this
time with Jim throwing me Brinzil moved. I hit the

(01:03:16):
turn buckle so hard I nearly broke my collarbone. We
all know Sternham first than the buckle boss, And now
that's at least two and a half stars right there,
you know, Oh yes, no question. Brenzell slithered Throughanville's legs
and tagged a fired up Blair. The garden exploded as
the bees made an awesome comeback, with me barely holding
on for dear life as the bell clanged again and
again over the noise of the roaring crowd. This one

(01:03:36):
was a draw. As I passed by my mom and
dad and the crowd on the way back to the
dressing room. My mom's eyes were as huge as the
smile on Stew's face. He didn't look like he minded
my being a heel anymore. Vince greeted us to the
curtain with great match, guys, whereas Brian Blair says, Vince
said nothing, and it was Brett who said, great match guys.
Tremendous dumm. Bren Brod a forward for Blair's book too,

(01:03:57):
So this is this wonderful stuff, what a business, great
match guys. Wow, he finally noticed that he actually spoke
to us. Blair said he did not speak. He had
He wore a look on his face that said, you know,
I wish I could speak, but sort of don't think
that's pruven right now. Jim and I had to wait
around all night since we've given Bundy a ride to
the garden and he was on the PLA.

Speaker 2 (01:04:18):
Oh my god, that's a fucking nightmare.

Speaker 3 (01:04:20):
Could that, by any chance have been the the.

Speaker 2 (01:04:22):
J O I D Match was the day? I don't think.
I don't think it was in that. Yeah, it was
a different, different show that was in the summer.

Speaker 3 (01:04:28):
Yeah, George Scott, it was only the only Yeah, I
think there are only two matches from this February show,
and it's that in the Terror CD Terry Gibbs match
is another one that has a fucking ship ton of
matches from the same show.

Speaker 2 (01:04:45):
Yea, and yeah, it's that. It's that. It's that Bundy.
Is it the Bundy? Yeah, the Bundy. That the Bundy
Junkyard Dog match. That that that's the one that has
a ship fucking ton of matches from that show. Yeah.
All over this, uh, this fucking thing.

Speaker 3 (01:05:04):
In the dressing room, George Scott, who was the book
of Fordway at the time, pulled me aside to tell
me I'd be working with rickiy the Dragon Steamboat WrestleMania two.
Anybody who ever climbed into the ring with Rickey Steamboat
would tell you that he was one of the best
workers of all time. This was the chance I had
been waiting for.

Speaker 2 (01:05:16):
I was working the Steamboat.

Speaker 3 (01:05:17):
That's what he said. He was told by George Scott.
It didn't happen, though, No, it did not. I was
in great spirits by the end of the night. As
we rode down in the backstage elevator, I challenged Jim
and Bundy to one final be all and end all
sumo match. In the dressing room, Bundy dismissed the idea
of the laugh saying I don't waste time with midgets.
We came out of the elevator laughing, and without thinking
about it, I walked straight outside. I usually left during
the show when the street was all but deserted, but

(01:05:38):
now the show was over. I walked into a frenzied
mob of about one hundred fans, Bundy and Jim trying
to pull me back inside, but Bundy had a ton
of heat for breaking Hogan's ribs on Saturday Night's main event.
As soon as the fans caught sight of him, he
and Jim were slapped, kicked, and spat on while teenaged
girls hung all over me, leaving lipstick kisses on my
face and shirt. When we finally made it in the car,

(01:06:00):
Bundy and Jim chewed me out for almost getting us killed.
They were right, I was new at being a heel
in America. Yeah, so quite a milestone match for these
two tag teams in their respective maturation process under the
WWF banner. Here kicking off the best of the WWFL
and you made on Coliseum home Video. It's also an

(01:06:22):
introduction to as we mentioned many wrestlers that the WWF
is now going to try to get us to care about,
and then of course quickly abandoned making.

Speaker 2 (01:06:30):
These How many fucking like so many of them just
fall off the whole like no no one, I say what,
Like the ones that matter Hercules and and Haku.

Speaker 3 (01:06:42):
That's about it, right right, And in the incarnations we
see of both here, those never make it to pay
per view or any match, you know. I mean, the
human beings are still employed, but it's not even in
this iteration. So it's it's wild. It's wild, like when
Vince is still experimenting with making new stars without more
than one super Card on the calendar. Okay, he's not.

(01:07:03):
He doesn't have a Summer Slam or Survivor series to
build to. So after WrestleMania it's just wide open calendar
until next spring, you know, and you have no idea
who's going to make it. You would think the Killer
Bees would, and in fact they were with Hexogeum Duggan
on the show, but they were so defined down by
the time WrestleMania three came around that you know, there
was there was I don't think personally any illusions that

(01:07:25):
they were on their way to Tag Team Gold or
a featured attraction position after that show was over. They
were kind of an afterthought, honestly, yes, And then you know,
by the time WrestleMania four came around, forget it. So
so all that said, we have this, this this deal
here where they're trying out several new people and who
knows what's gonna stick. And in the pages of WWF

(01:07:47):
magazine Boss we get a glimpse and how Finns would
like us to think about so many of the of
the new talent featured on the Best of w wa
A Volume eight. So I'd ask you to first start
with the April May nineteen eighty six edition of the
WWF magazine.

Speaker 2 (01:08:04):
Yes they are downloading as we speak.

Speaker 3 (01:08:06):
Here, including a sweet Luibano ad for three new video sets.
For god's sakes, pop quiz, Pop Quiz. We didn't go
over this for a while on the Colisseum collection, what's
the suggested retail in nineteen eighty six for one of
these vhs casseets.

Speaker 2 (01:08:21):
Oh suggested retail has got to be like what sixty bucks? Wow?

Speaker 3 (01:08:26):
He nailed it. Fifty nine to ninety five.

Speaker 2 (01:08:28):
Wow. All right, there we go I.

Speaker 3 (01:08:30):
Mean, can you imagine in nineteen eighty six spending sixty
dollars and people in blink and eye they thought that
was a fair price for a VHS tap.

Speaker 2 (01:08:39):
They can here, think about it, think about this, think
about this. Look, we're gonna be able to own this.
We're gonna be able to watch this at home whenever
we want. And of course it's worth it. What the
fuck is this cover? What a deal? What the fuck
am I looking at here?

Speaker 3 (01:08:53):
Jesse with a Jesse feather.

Speaker 2 (01:08:56):
He looks horrifying. He's breaking through a paper wall.

Speaker 3 (01:09:00):
If you want to consider it in context, that is
like paying today one and seventy six dollars for a tape. Yes, yes,
that's what the value was, and no one questioned that.
And people in entertainment made such a more reliable living.
And we're willing to take so much more artistic risk

(01:09:22):
because of the chance that something, as we've talked about
a nauseum could have a second life, or one could
think of first life on home video yep. And those
sales were robust enough because the consumers saw the value
exchange up to your point being able to have a
home collection. How many times just Gene Okerland and mceeing
these tapes use the word collection. It's called the colisseum
collection here for a reason, you damn right, because if

(01:09:42):
you can make people want to collect something, then you
can extract that that pricing power man, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:09:48):
Yep, am I doing the Dan Spiven's store.

Speaker 3 (01:09:53):
Absolutely nailed at Dan Spivey, who with the long blonde
hair and the yellow tights and the white boots. This
guy they hired another Barry Wyndham. Berry Wyndham left. They
just found another one.

Speaker 2 (01:10:04):
Wow, Listen, they wish they fucking we hired a Baron's Wyndham.
I mean, and look only I mean, listen, I'm not
you know me, I'm not a Baron's Windham fan.

Speaker 3 (01:10:13):
But yeah, of course Dan Spivey's nowhere close to the
progress are Barry Winhams. But he had left from the
US Express and gone back to Crockett because he would
be one of the key foils for Flair in eighty six,
and of course eventually joined The Horseman after a series
of classics with Rick Flair and be figured in very
strongly with Dusty holding the book and his lifelong you know,
partnership and kinship with Barry Windham's father, Blackjack Mulligan, dating

(01:10:37):
back to Dusty and Mulligan making a ton of money
in Florida back in the day against each other. And
so here Dusty has the pencil in mid Atlantic and
Barry Wyndham, Come, comes on Home, Comes on Home. And
with that they have an empty spot in the US
Express tag team with Microtundo. And they look at Dan Spivey,
who ironically enough was cycling out of mid atlant in

(01:11:00):
his own right under Dusty when he was teaming up
with Scott Hall Starship Coyote what were they called collectively,
Oh my god, collectively had some like space age name
and and yeah he wanted he wanted out too from
uh from from that territory and uh off he goes
to Vince. But it started before being plugged in his

(01:11:20):
Berry Wyndham's doppelganger in the US Express. It started with
this singles wrestler, Dan Spivey, who it looked like he
was imitating Wyndom and Hulkog and an equal. Uh yeah,
he really seriously really was. Yeah, the exact hair styles Hulkog.
Let me look at that picture in the magazine that
is you just cover cover Wyndham's eyes, and you you
could be convinced that that was Hulkogan just.

Speaker 2 (01:11:42):
Yep, you know, yep. Six months later the smile. If
you put a fucking mustache on that, Oh my god,
no question. So question, let's get a quaint a little
too much.

Speaker 4 (01:11:52):
Yea.

Speaker 3 (01:11:53):
I was going to say, if Hogan had skipped a
haircut for a year, that that might be what he
looked like back then. But let's get acquainted with the
Dan Spivey it we see on this videotape Wrestling November
twenty fifth, nineteen eighty five against Terry Gibbs in the Garden.

Speaker 2 (01:12:07):
Come on, no, not I I don't want to there
it is, that's what I want.

Speaker 3 (01:12:10):
Uh Okay, great opening sentence, Great opening sentence.

Speaker 2 (01:12:15):
Dan Spivey Hungry for Victory by Carol Buffett. Go ahead,
read the first sentence. Dan Spivens is a hungry man.

Speaker 3 (01:12:26):
He's a he's a frozen food un product, exactly hyped
up by Booker t Right.

Speaker 2 (01:12:34):
He entered the WWE in hopes of eating up a
menu of prime opponent stop. Thus far, Spivey has tasted
the sweets with astonishing frequency, and he's still starved for them.
I'm gonna keep doing this. Of course, anyone would find
success delicious. The difference with Spivens is that his appetite

(01:12:58):
is greater, his desire is stronger, and at six foot
seven inches two hundred and seventy pounds, it is safe
to say that whatever Dan Spivey wants, Dan Spivens will
most likely get.

Speaker 3 (01:13:10):
Speak for yourself, Karen, Carol, Carol, close your legs for
Christ's sakes.

Speaker 2 (01:13:18):
Yeah, what do you want, Carol? Is the question? That's
what I want to know. What do you want Dan
Spivey to want? I don't know. I don't know how
dance Spibby sound' even know what he where he's from.

Speaker 3 (01:13:28):
He does sounds like he sounds just like an anodyne,
just kind of like any old guy. He doesn't really
have an accent.

Speaker 2 (01:13:35):
I have speed, agility, and strength, actually, but I think
my greatest asset is I think my greatest asset is desire.

Speaker 3 (01:13:47):
Dan says, guy can be as big as he's a
little he's about sixteen.

Speaker 2 (01:13:53):
Years too early. Yeah, that's the desire, the desire. A
guy can be as big as a house and quick
and everything else. But if he doesn't have the heart,
I'm a desire. He's got problems Despite my size, I
feel that my agility and my mobility are the same
as a two hundred and thirty five pounder, says spive Ince.

(01:14:14):
I consider myself a wrestler and not just some big
guy out there, just a muscle man. I'm pushing his
weight around. Brother, I feel I can do anything. What
do you, dude?

Speaker 3 (01:14:22):
What you implying there?

Speaker 7 (01:14:23):
Dude?

Speaker 2 (01:14:24):
What do you mean something? Whoa goo?

Speaker 3 (01:14:26):
Wait, dude, you're talking about about ted Our CD. Dude,
the fuck?

Speaker 4 (01:14:31):
Brother?

Speaker 3 (01:14:31):
You're talking shit in ted our CIT. You keep going
to the logical road, and pretty soon you're talking about
Hulk Cogan.

Speaker 2 (01:14:37):
Well we were wearing yellow, dude. Why are you doing that? Brother?

Speaker 3 (01:14:40):
Why are you taking little steps towards talking shit about me?

Speaker 2 (01:14:42):
But why do you get why get blonde hair? Dude
kind of look like me? Brother, I'm not. I'm not
digging blonde hair. Brother, hul Cogan's good blonde hair. Terry
Blay is good blonde hair. I'm with his dance Vivian's dude,
what's going on?

Speaker 3 (01:14:53):
You try to like Hull covid or Terry Bullayer?

Speaker 2 (01:14:54):
Brother? Tell me, I mean, brother, which one are you
trying to roll up dude. Huh huh, huh, neither good.

Speaker 3 (01:15:07):
I want to make sure on the same page here, brother,
cut the ship, dude. I don't even know who Terry
b is or a hul Cogan is. I'm just here
to wrestle. And I see the guy on the other channel, dude,
and he's a Terry Bula rip off brother. He's just like, what, well,

(01:15:28):
I'm watching this guy, dude, Terry b is been ripped
off brother and hug another another bad boat insurance policy.
And Hule Cogan won't stand for letting his friend Terrence
Black get ripped off friends to the end.

Speaker 2 (01:15:45):
And that's right exactly. I feel I can do anything
in the ring that any of the quicker, smaller wrestlers
can do. And also if somebody wants to go out
and try to just muscle his way around the ring,
I can do that with them too. But I can
also wrestle. Thank God for that you as a wrestler,

(01:16:08):
and and move probably better than any big man in wrestling.
This Tampa, Florida native is light on his feet because
that's what comes from dancing a lot. He enjoys dancing
when he has the spare time, which he has very
little of these days. He also likes hunting quail, pheasant

(01:16:29):
and deer, which has given him sharp senses and reflexes,
aiding his wrestling career as a professional wrestler. However, he
spends so much time traveling, he gets a little chance
for recreation. I enjoy traveling, Dan says. Seeing different cities
and going lots of places has been real interesting sometimes
though it's tough finding my way around. I hate getting

(01:16:52):
lost going to unfamiliar arenas, but it happens. Right, Is
this the future?

Speaker 3 (01:16:57):
Whalen Mercy talking about getting lost in random city.

Speaker 2 (01:17:05):
In the South. It's pretty easy for me to find places.
But now you get me up on the east coast
or out west, and I can have a hard time.
Gets kind of aggravating, especially when I can't find a
gym in which to work out.

Speaker 3 (01:17:18):
Does not sound like you enjoy traveling, Dan, It sounds
like the opposite.

Speaker 2 (01:17:23):
I usually have about two hours to work out before
I have to go to an arena. If I spent
an hour and a half just looking for the gym,
I might as well not go by the laughs, shaking
his blonde head. What happened is that? What happened there
shaking a blond dam I don't understand now. Traveling can

(01:17:45):
also wear you down because you can't eat right at
fast food restaurants. Dan admits sometimes you can't get enough sleep.
If you can't sleep right and you don't eat right, Yeah,
it'll catch up with you if you don't take care
of yourself. And uh, and you know that's not good

(01:18:05):
in wrestling?

Speaker 3 (01:18:06):
Is this professional a cry for how most starting to
read like a cry for help?

Speaker 2 (01:18:12):
I mean, it's a cry for help, but it's also
the most boring, mundane interview. It's amazing I've ever read like.
I do not want to see this guy ever again
after this article. He is not exciting. Well, you know,
sometimes things are good, sometimes things are bad. You just
got to take him as they go. It's basically what
he's saying. Professional wrestling is a sport where you have

(01:18:32):
to go out and give one hundred and ten percent,
Spivey says about the rigors of his chosen field. But
it's not your job to go out there and do it,
no matter how many times you've wait. But it's not
your job to go out there and do it, no
matter how many times you've got to you've got to.

Speaker 3 (01:18:47):
Okay, it's your job. You you inserted the word not oh,
but it's your job. Sorry, Oh my god. I don't
know how I why I I mean, I wouldn't put
it past him. Probably the no underneath is where I
got caught my the no underneath. But anyway, this long.

Speaker 2 (01:19:03):
And lean south Paul keeps that hungry look by working
out in those Actually it seems like he keeps as
hungry a look because he can't find the restaurant that
he goes. Yes, that seems to be the problem.

Speaker 3 (01:19:14):
Yeah, he's lean because he's starving.

Speaker 2 (01:19:15):
Man.

Speaker 3 (01:19:16):
I love traveling so long as everything has arranged precisely
as it is in Tampa, Florida.

Speaker 2 (01:19:20):
I love traveling as long as I travel to places
that I know, which is Tampa, Florida.

Speaker 3 (01:19:27):
I love traveling, but only the places I've already been.

Speaker 2 (01:19:33):
I like traveling as long as I don't go outside
my house.

Speaker 3 (01:19:36):
What you get for doing one of these w debat
magazine articles? All these years later, these two dips on
a podcast kicking apart every fucking thing he said, probably
never even said, probably never even cafe quote.

Speaker 2 (01:19:49):
This is this is like fucking nobody knew how he spoke,
and so everyone's like, well, what can we say about him?
I'll just write some shit, I guess. I don't know
think what Vince would do.

Speaker 3 (01:19:58):
I mean, this is so boring that I actually think
he probably did do a real interview.

Speaker 2 (01:20:01):
He might have. Yeah, I mean, it's so how.

Speaker 3 (01:20:03):
Would you create? Why would you choose to create like
these lines?

Speaker 2 (01:20:07):
In this picture? He looks like Daryl Hannah for foxing Jesus. Yeah,
Sagan wears I know. Look, the only thing that's that's
odd here is that he's wearing yellow knee pads and
not red ones. Think of that. The long and lean

(01:20:29):
South Park keeps that hungry look by working out in
those hard to find gym's an average of four days
a week. He would like to get to a gym
six days a week, but he says that's tough because
of the amount of time spent on the road. Dan tries.

Speaker 3 (01:20:44):
Jim is not that common.

Speaker 2 (01:20:50):
Dan tries to work on two different body parts a
day when he's in the gym. When I first came
to the WWE, the first three weeks were tough, just
getting used to the traveling and everything. I lost about
fifteen pounds the first three weeks I was here Spiven's reveals.
But now I've been getting back in the gym work
out pretty good. I feel they're working out and looking

(01:21:10):
good are very important in this business. Stronger you are
and the better shape that you're in, the better edge
you have over an opponent. Plus working out releases all
the anxieties from the day.

Speaker 3 (01:21:20):
He said to himself while walking forty minutes to the
grocery store.

Speaker 2 (01:21:25):
With long ass strides.

Speaker 3 (01:21:26):
Oh, so long, so long. It looks like the Charles
Darwin evolution thing.

Speaker 2 (01:21:31):
Did you did you ever you've seen a month for
of the Cucko's Nest. You know the basketball scene? Yeah,
you know how Chief Brahm. Then fucking like walks like
you know, that's the Dan Spivey walk. Like these crazy
ass like five foot strides. It's like he's stilts exactly
and like arms like going all over the place. It's

(01:21:53):
like long, not like crazy, but like they're just they
just move very broadly. That's the Dan Spivey walk. Dan
Spivey grew up the oldest in a family with four
boys and one girl. He turned twenty eight years old
last October fourteenth. Dan was captain of the football and
baseball teams at Chamberlain High School. By the way, I

(01:22:14):
just got to say so, speaking of ages, I so,
I don't want to say what they were, but I
was watching some some matches for Wrestle Mamia oh okay,
for Down the Line, and it alarmed me that in

(01:22:36):
nineteen ninety six Hulk Hogan was younger than I am
right now. Oh my god, I think he was forty three,
forty two.

Speaker 3 (01:22:51):
Kgan always it feels like he's thirty years old exactly
like he It's like what he was forty two, forty three,
Like I'm older than him now than he was back then.
Like that's insane, it's insane to think about anyway. Chamberlain
High School in Tampa, Florida, also the home of w

(01:23:12):
w E stars b Brian Blair and Paul Orndorf. Spivey
played basketball as well in high school. After high school,
he attended the University of Georgia on a football scholarship,
and then he was drafted by the NFL's New York Jets.
Only played one yep, no, that's cool, that's good right here,
round thirteen in the nineteen seventy five NFL time there.

Speaker 2 (01:23:34):
He is Okay, what was it? What was his overall
draft pick?

Speaker 3 (01:23:41):
I'm not sure this is that's what I want to know,
say twelve m Yeah, it looked like he went twelve
in round twelve and round thirteen? Is that what you mean?

Speaker 2 (01:23:51):
Okay? No, well, like isn't I forget what the overall
like the actual like after all the people?

Speaker 3 (01:23:56):
Oh, I say, no, this article doesn't say I was thinking.
That sounds like bullshit, but no he was. He was.

Speaker 2 (01:24:03):
Wow, that's interesting because it wasn't like Brady. He was
drafted like you have a miserable number, right, it's like
miserable draft back.

Speaker 3 (01:24:10):
Yeah, that's a famous part of his yeah history. I'm trying.
I'm scrambling, trying to as not being a football expert,
I'm trying to see if I can recommend any one.

Speaker 2 (01:24:19):
Yeah, I don't know how the draft all works too,
so it's like it's hard.

Speaker 3 (01:24:22):
This article says a three SEC players were drafted in
the thirteenth round, including Tennessee placekicker Ricky Townsend, linebacker Tom
Ellers of Kentucky, and defensive tackle Dan Spivey of Georgia.

Speaker 2 (01:24:33):
Wow. Yeah, look at that. He only played professional football
for one year. However, because a knee injury required surgery.
So far, he's been lucky not to get hurt severely
enough to keep him out of wrestling, although he's had
his share of injuries. We've always been lucky that he
hasn't been hurt. But he's had a fair share of

(01:24:53):
hurtness for sure. Basically what that says.

Speaker 3 (01:24:57):
Let's take a quick detour here seventy five Tampa tri
Dan Spivey hopes for bright future real quick. Right up
here on his failed football career, Vince Dooley says, Dan
Spivey will make a fine professional football player if his
gimpie knee doesn't bother him a great lead.

Speaker 2 (01:25:12):
Oh wow, I can't wait.

Speaker 3 (01:25:13):
Jesus Christ and Dewley should know gild his Kid Chamberlain
High graduate plays. He coached him for four years at
the University of Georgia. He has the physical attribute to
be a fine pro football players at Duley, where he's
coaching the South starts today and the seventh annual Lions
American Bowl. But knee surgery last year slowed the six
foot seven, two hundred and forty six pounder, and an
ankle spring sidelined him for part of the nineteen seventy

(01:25:34):
four season. It's most tragic, Duley said, to the knee injury,
He's taken some of the worst blows on that knee
I've ever seen. He never did recover and never did
have the year he could have. Spivey tour ligaments and
cartilage in his knee, which was operated on last spring
after his junior year in Athens. I feel pretty healthy now,
Spivey said, after his team ran through final drills yesterday
in preparation for today's one PM contest. I feel better

(01:25:54):
than I have in a long time. Oh, he's going
to be great for the wrestling business. Lying about how
he feels.

Speaker 2 (01:25:58):
Oh, yeah, yep.

Speaker 3 (01:25:59):
He's looking forward to play before the hometown crowd again.
Dan is the third Chamberlain grad to have played in
the A Bowl. Bob Burns now with the New York Jets,
and Mark Shelton took part last year. Spivey is disappointed
that he didn't have the good year he could have
had for the Bulldogs, but he isn't looking back. It's
been a big disappointment, he said, but it's all over
now and I can look only to the future. He
starred at defensive tackle position at Georgia, but played defensive

(01:26:19):
tackle in his early years in college. It doesn't matter
to me whether I play on offense or defense, he
said of a possible pro career. I at least know
the scouts are interested in me what could have been?
But now here he is ten years later, in the
pages of WWF magazine.

Speaker 2 (01:26:33):
Warry Belongs. Supposedly what they say, I've always been interested
in wrestling and always hoped to try it. I've been
wrestling for a little over two years now, and I'm
still learning. I would have gotten into wrestling a lot
sooner if I had to do it all over again.
Yet wait, I'd I would have gotten into wrestling a

(01:26:55):
lot sooner if I had to do it all over again.
Yet I'd start sooner. To others, they would add another
fucking did I fucking? Did I miss a word? Did
I fuck that up? Again? No? I don't think that
sounds like he's saying the same thing twice. It does.

Speaker 3 (01:27:13):
Yeah, that's what makes me think these are real, uh
real quotes.

Speaker 2 (01:27:17):
I would have I would have gotten into wrestling a
lot sooner if I had to do it. If I
had it to do all over again, yet I'd start sooner.
I don't understand all right, yet means it sounds like
he's saying the opposite. It does. That does off.

Speaker 3 (01:27:33):
I think what he means is I would have made
the transition from football to wrestling more quickly instead of
waiting as long as I did to become a wrestling I.

Speaker 2 (01:27:41):
Mean, I get that's what he's saying, but it's just
it's weird. Yet means it definitely implies you're going to
say something the opposite of what you just said, like
he would. He should have said, you know, I would
have gotten into wrestling a lot sooner if I had
to do it all over again. Yet that's not the
way it happened.

Speaker 3 (01:27:57):
Right, Yeah, that's what he said. Sets you up to expect.

Speaker 2 (01:27:59):
That's what he Yeah. But I played a little football,
did telephone work, some construction work, and I was a
bodyguard for some people. I did a lot of things,
and I wasn't really happy because in the back of
my head I always wanted to be a wrestler. I
don't know why I put it off so long. Finally
I just made up my mind and I was going
to be a professional wrestler, and so I did it.

(01:28:20):
He says, with satisfaction. There are a lot of things
that you can do, so you might as well do
what you like and be happy with it.

Speaker 3 (01:28:27):
Says, this is amazingly like banal and dry. Really, he says,
there are a lot of different things that you can do.

Speaker 2 (01:28:36):
Great stuff.

Speaker 3 (01:28:38):
It's a great point. I mean he could also work
at Carvel ice cream cake.

Speaker 2 (01:28:43):
I mean he could also like just do somersaults all day.
I expect that one exactly. You just eat tuna melts
every four hours. Like He's right, there are a lot
of things you can do, so you could just you'd
find a way to like spin on a finger, you know,
that's what he could do. Just like body up in
the air and he's just spinning on a finger. Okay,

(01:29:04):
And for some people that's just the ticket. There's a
lot of different things you can do, you know, go
on disability and just spin around on a thing. The
thing is, I just don't like spinning around on a finger,
you know. But I could have done it, you know,
I could have. I could have uh uh, you know,
flossed my teeth with a with an electrical cord, you know.

Speaker 3 (01:29:24):
And here's my message to the fans. You could have
done that too.

Speaker 2 (01:29:28):
You could do that too, if that's what you want
to do. That's the beauty of that. I don't think
people realize that you can do what you want. I didn't.

Speaker 3 (01:29:39):
Now that you know, sometimes they have a quote as
a headline, you could do whatever you want.

Speaker 2 (01:29:46):
I didn't.

Speaker 3 (01:29:50):
He's got his face like with his hands out to
the side like, oh oh man, oh well, like a
proressing illustrated article. Yeah, you can do whatever you want.

Speaker 2 (01:29:59):
I didn't.

Speaker 3 (01:30:00):
That's great. That that that's really I hope folks realize
after ten years that what we really do is just
arrange words in different order to see how it makes
us feel. If we said these words this in this
organ see if it makes it, see if it makes
it bizarre, you're a little more Poignants are one of

(01:30:20):
the tombs, are one of the two.

Speaker 2 (01:30:21):
Whatever comes first, it.

Speaker 3 (01:30:25):
Comes first is exactly correct.

Speaker 2 (01:30:30):
You could do whatever you want to do. I didn't.
Oh my god, this gets better here, it gets it
gets better. If you have to work, then you might
as well enjoy going to work. And I enjoy wrestling.
Even though I love it, I still get nervous before
a match. Dan admits you just never know what's going
to happen. People are expecting me to do well, and

(01:30:51):
I feel that I owe it to them to do
my best. I worry about that. I'm very conscientious about
how well I do and the ring doesn't matter who
my opponent is. I'm always nervous or what?

Speaker 3 (01:31:05):
H What would the reasons be for that?

Speaker 2 (01:31:07):
Dude? Well? Why are you nervous?

Speaker 3 (01:31:09):
Anything? Maybe I should be?

Speaker 2 (01:31:11):
I mean, you're making me nervous by saying that you're
nervous all the time? Brother?

Speaker 4 (01:31:15):
Like?

Speaker 2 (01:31:15):
What what? What are you just gonna happen to.

Speaker 3 (01:31:17):
All the time? Brother? I mean that's you know, it's
it's one thing to say nervous.

Speaker 2 (01:31:20):
Sometimes you are you nervous? Right now? Dude? Are you?
Are you?

Speaker 3 (01:31:24):
Do you have? Do you have reason to be nervous?

Speaker 2 (01:31:26):
Brother? Because I I guess maybe I do. I don't
really know.

Speaker 3 (01:31:30):
You've been offered an opportunity, brother, Brother, you're up. That's
such a big deal. You're working at GIBBRONI tonight. Why
would you be so nervous? Do?

Speaker 2 (01:31:38):
Can I see something? Dude? You're getting a push? Right?
What what you're getting a push? Nobody pushed me anywhere.
I'm just I'm just here having a good time. Happy
to do what I do? You know? Yeah, well we
can you be happy to do what you do? Boy?
You here, you're working on Matt Try, dude. I mean,

(01:32:01):
if that's what you want to call it.

Speaker 3 (01:32:02):
What you play? You don't just get into the Madison
Square Garden not having any clue what's going on around
your brother? I'm not this not day one at the rodeo.

Speaker 2 (01:32:14):
Dude, Listen, what did you do to get here? Brother?
Who'd you fuck? Who'd you fuck? Who'd you fuck? Over? Dude?

Speaker 3 (01:32:21):
Are you coming after whole COVID spot? He goes, brother,
Hold on? What you do to get here?

Speaker 4 (01:32:26):
Brother?

Speaker 3 (01:32:26):
And he goes, I took a.

Speaker 2 (01:32:27):
Cab, you know. I took a cab to to to
you know, eighth Avenue, and then I walked the rest
of the way. I figured, Hey, it's a nice day.
Might as well I.

Speaker 3 (01:32:39):
Walked by your mom's house with the ozembic vending machine
on the lawn.

Speaker 2 (01:32:44):
What do you what? Brother? What do you why? What?

Speaker 3 (01:32:50):
Mm hmm?

Speaker 2 (01:32:54):
Hey, Look, if everyone can do you know, I don't
know if you're aware of this, mister Hogan, you can,
you can do whatever you want, but I don't. I
love that quote.

Speaker 3 (01:33:10):
Man, I'm in love with that because it's just so
hard to like come to terms with you can do
whatever you want, but I don't because he's trying to
like sound holier than now, or is.

Speaker 2 (01:33:25):
I know he just made bad choices.

Speaker 3 (01:33:29):
Or it could be an incredibly arrogant or an incredibly
self effacing thing to say exactly.

Speaker 2 (01:33:35):
It could be both right. It could be it could
be like, you know, you could do what you want
to be a lazy son of a bitch, but I
don't do it.

Speaker 3 (01:33:42):
Exactly I don't, or you could exactly. Or it could
be like, you know, you could live a happy life.
I don't do that, or I don't follow my lead
because I don't, you know, you know, I you know,
I guess I didn't even try. Really when you think
about it, and at the last minute the publisher's like,
you know what, I really think we just should call it.

Speaker 2 (01:33:57):
I don't the dance by the dance.

Speaker 3 (01:34:01):
Viby like a like a golf polo on like with
his hands folded, looking straight ahead.

Speaker 2 (01:34:05):
I don't dance by.

Speaker 3 (01:34:07):
I can't wait to read it.

Speaker 2 (01:34:08):
I can't wait to read this book.

Speaker 3 (01:34:15):
Dance Bivey's turn Best to w W following you, mate,
I'm right, or like worse stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:34:21):
To combat his nervousness, Bive likes to get off to
the side by himself and think about what he has
to do to win.

Speaker 3 (01:34:27):
He's not the only one in that company. He likes
to get off to the side because that's Brett Hart.

Speaker 2 (01:34:32):
He likes to do that a lot. He also does
a lot of stretching exercises so he doesn't pull a muscle.
I respect all my opponents because they're professionals and they
know what they're doing, or they wouldn't be in the ring.
If I go out there and don't give them any respect,
I might as might, I might get lax and lose.
We don't, brother, dude.

Speaker 3 (01:34:54):
Get lacross, Get lacrosse across.

Speaker 2 (01:34:57):
What are you doing, dude? What are you doing? Dude?

Speaker 3 (01:35:01):
Like a dog that starts biting when he should be playing.

Speaker 2 (01:35:03):
What are you doing? So fucking nervous? He's so fucking
horrifying to this guy. This guy's like he looks too
much like him.

Speaker 3 (01:35:10):
I know, dude, you look like me, brother, but you
don't act like me, dude, and that concerns me. Brother, Vince,
bringing you win, like if you can fill in for
you wind him. I can't fill in for whole Hogan.
I mean, are you are you?

Speaker 2 (01:35:19):
Are you? Are you the new dude? Are you Dan Hogan?
Are you.

Speaker 3 (01:35:32):
All right? We got to shut it down because I
don't think I have it in me to express the
electricity I feel, Yeah, are you Dan Hogan? No, the

(01:35:54):
electrician will be here in a half hour. Like, isn't
it amazing? The star power difference between Hulk Hogan and
Dan the Man Hogan.

Speaker 2 (01:36:15):
One guy's fucking the most famous restaer in the world.
The other guy fucking you know, works in accounting or something.

Speaker 3 (01:36:22):
The other guy wouldn't get noticed if he committed suicide
in a public place.

Speaker 2 (01:36:31):
The other guy says, up the ring, Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:36:36):
You Dan Spivey?

Speaker 2 (01:36:37):
Are they are you?

Speaker 3 (01:36:39):
Are you going to be? Dan Hogan? Thank god, that's
not a switch. They flipped in. W c W Dave,
Evatt Sullivan and Dan Hogan dance Spivey brother, I'm here
w c W at m Eric brother. Look, I got
an idea, dude, a Hogan, but Eva Sullivan will have

(01:37:03):
Evad Hogan.

Speaker 2 (01:37:05):
A Hogan.

Speaker 3 (01:37:05):
Dude called him totally blows Eva also Eva Sullivan and well,
Evad Hogan. He wouldn't know you know what it would be.
It would be Evan Sullivan and it would be a
Nad Hogan Mad Hogan. We we did the Dan Hogan thing,

(01:37:30):
and before we can make a shirt, now we get
to do a Nad Hogan. So it's a shirt shirt
that requires an understanding of the inside joke, of the
inside joke double layer. It's like we're gonna have We're
gonna have a fucking Dan you know, like a fucking
Dan rules shirt or something. Dan a fucking like a

(01:37:51):
thing in the in.

Speaker 2 (01:37:53):
The did the evad ever have a fucking shirt or
something or a logo?

Speaker 3 (01:37:56):
He said, the whole Klogan shirt.

Speaker 2 (01:37:58):
Yeah, Nad Nad Hogan. And I mean what we.

Speaker 3 (01:38:01):
Just did there was we went down the path the
neurons are firing of kind of thinking that he's here
to take his spot, trying to hold Cogan and then
you go to be Dan Hogan. Is that what I
have to prepare myself for?

Speaker 4 (01:38:20):
Brother?

Speaker 3 (01:38:20):
Oh my god, there's one you won't have to license
from Marvel.

Speaker 2 (01:38:24):
Huh.

Speaker 3 (01:38:25):
Something tells me there's no Dan Hogan's that ever came
out of Spike Spike Lee.

Speaker 2 (01:38:30):
There's no incredible Dan Hogan.

Speaker 3 (01:38:31):
Oh my god, Spike Lee, Stanley spike a, Spike Lee.
That'd be amazing. I would definitely see a Marvel movie
directed by Spike Lee. Do the right thing is one
of Dan Hogan's commandments, because I don't don't the right thing?

(01:39:00):
Oh man, keep going, Oh my god, okay, we got
we got other best of newcomers.

Speaker 2 (01:39:06):
I know, say Jesus Christ, we have so many. So
you have to respect everybody because if you put your
guard down a little bit, then you can get in
trouble and blow the match. The fans really helped me, though,
Spy the acknowledges they haven't seen me that, they haven't
seen that much of me yet, but they're starting to
get to Wait a minute, I think, I wait, I.

Speaker 3 (01:39:31):
Thought I just decided to have him trail off there.

Speaker 2 (01:39:34):
I wish I had yet too. Where's the wait? I think? Here? Wait,
I know why, get to nail win it know me.

Speaker 3 (01:39:50):
I think the fans are getting behind me page.

Speaker 2 (01:39:55):
Oh oh okay, that's right, that's right, messed up there,
get to know me. I think the fans are getting
behind me, and I appreciate all their support. And of
course when I'm down and they start cheering. They get
me going. I really appreciate the fans. They've been good
to me so far.

Speaker 3 (01:40:15):
There's a picture of the dropkicking somebody underneath it says,
going places. Yep, yeah, like up in the air for
a dropkick. It's about it, right, I guess so ummm.
Dan's long, long legged, wiry build enables him to deliver
deadly dropkicks that send opponents to the mat. His football

(01:40:36):
background taught him to shoulder block and tackle with dizzying force.
Spivey's specialty, though, is the bulldog.

Speaker 2 (01:40:43):
In this maneuver, Dan clamps his foe in a gripping
headlock and drives the opponent's whole body down toward the canvas,
much like sliding into home base in basement. It's nothing
like sliding home base in baseball, right, it is nothing
like that at all. I feel that when I get
somebody in the bulldog, he won't get out of it,

(01:41:03):
says Spivey. So the bulldog is my major finishing hold.
Dan was able to beat Steve Lombardi in a recent match.
Who that's a fucking That's a win. However, without the
use of the bulldog. Spivey opened the match with a
powerful shoulder block, aoh, here we go, a back body drop,
a body slam, and an elbow smash. Lombardi then attempted
an elbow smash of his own, but he missed when

(01:41:25):
Spivey's quick reflexes told him to move out of the way. Oh,
I said, Oh, I guess I better move right. Good stuff,
my reflexes tell me. Lombardi next tried whipping Spivey into
a corner, but Spivey reversed it and Steve crashed against
the turnbuckle instead. Spivey then followed with a supplex before
sending Steve to the ropes for a clothesline. Dan once

(01:41:49):
again flung them Lombardi into the ropes and nailed him
with a drop kick, supplex, a body drop, an elbow smash,
and a splash.

Speaker 3 (01:42:03):
Such good stuff here. The Floridian then went for a
pinfall twice but couldn't quite get the three count. Again,
Dan sent Lombardi to the ropes for a forearm smash.
Then Lombardi turned nasty. He hit Spivey with an eye gouge,
uppercuts bites and ran Spivey's face along the top rope,

(01:42:24):
but Spivey called on his reserves of stamina and again
gained the advantage via a reversal to the ropes. A
final power slam was enough to give Spivey the pinfall.
After the finish, WWE television commentator Jesse the Body Ventura
noted that Spivey.

Speaker 2 (01:42:40):
Is impression and awesome. That he may be, but Spivey
knows those objectives also fit many of the athletes he
will meet in future ww battles. It's going to boil
down to who's most hungry for a win, he predicts.

(01:43:01):
Sounds good. Listen, Damn Hogan, All right, all the way,
the Hogan's the Hogan family.

Speaker 3 (01:43:09):
Before we if you can open up the next issue
of the magazine. In this issue, Jesse Ventura has asked
to weigh in on some of the new talent in
the WWF and what do you know? He ranks three.
He brings four people featured on the video cassette, including
Dan Spyvey.

Speaker 2 (01:43:25):
Hey, there we go.

Speaker 3 (01:43:26):
Yeah, he says, I think he has a good future.
He's a big, strong kid and seems eager to learn.
I think the best movie made was Getting rid of
those fur ring boots. They were sickening. He's from Florida
someplace like that. But he looked like klondike Tim. Those
boots made me want to puke. And he is wearing
those boots on the tape.

Speaker 2 (01:43:44):
Oh my god, klondike klondike Dan.

Speaker 3 (01:43:48):
He says Tim, like tiny Tim. I guess who the
fuck is klondike Tim? That I cannot tell you, Ted Rcidi.
He's awesomely strong. The man is the first guy in
history to bench press over seven hundred and five pounds
an illegal meet. And like his aggressive style. He's not
meek or humble. But strength alone doesn't win titles. He
needs a lot of preliminary matches before he can worry
about getting in the ring with whole Cog and Tito

(01:44:10):
Santana or myself. He's like also terror sit, He's like
the most Oh, like, we'll get there. Here's a weird
looking man. He's one of those bodybuilding creatures. Man, you know,
only in bodybuilding can you walk around feeling like an
alpha but you can't move, you know, you can't.

Speaker 2 (01:44:29):
I know, I know, it's like he I mean, he
just looks horrifying and not, you know, like not in
a threatening way, just looks like just the definition of discomfort.

Speaker 3 (01:44:40):
I know if I look at you and it makes
me feel claustrophobic and I'm not even.

Speaker 2 (01:44:45):
You, there's a problem on Hurricule if I feel like
can't move in my clothes, and there's a real issue
on Hercules.

Speaker 3 (01:44:51):
Hernandez Jesse says he's young, aggressive and has all the
credentials and he's extremely powerful. The only problem is that
I think he's a little thin upstairs. His best this
move was getting Freddy Blassie as his manager. Blast it
was enough about his hairline. Yeah, I know Blassie. We'll
be able to guide him to some pretty big places.
If Fernandez doesn't get too headstrong. And if Brett Hart,
he says with two te's by the way, on Brett,

(01:45:13):
I like Brett Hart. He's this mechanically sound as you
get in the ring. He was taught by his father,
the legendary Stuhardt, who's been unrestling at least forty years.
Up in Calgary, they'd say you either made it it
has I know, so at least forty years Stu has. Yeah,
they'd say you either made it when you trained in
Stuhart's basement or you were broken. This is before it
was called the Dungeon. Uh people, basement people like what

(01:45:35):
deadly basement people.

Speaker 2 (01:45:37):
With deadly Brett's.

Speaker 3 (01:45:38):
Alignment with Jimmy Anbil night Heart and Jimmy Hart is
a great thing. It's brought out an inward aggressiveness that's
going to help him win big. So great to have
Jesse's input onto these future talents. Now, this addition to
the magazine has a little bit more color on several
members of the roster, and if we navigate down we
will find a feature on Ted Arcdi. But before we

(01:46:01):
get there, Yes, okay, let's stop in with Hercules Hernandez,
who I think is way further down. He's in here somewhere.

Speaker 2 (01:46:10):
Let's see. Do you see herk I'm looking here. I
see a lot of cities here, in cities like New
York and Chicago and Los Angeles. Jimmy Hart.

Speaker 3 (01:46:24):
Oh, this is the one with the Terry Funk articles
that we looked at. Oh no, go back, go back,
I'm sorry, go back to the prior edition that that's
the one with Hercules Hernandez, also written by the intrepid
Carol Buffin. Oh look at her and look he is
at the fucking Roman gladiator outfit that they gave Hercules
to look like Hercules for the beginning of his run.

(01:46:46):
Look at the leather, look at the skirt.

Speaker 2 (01:46:49):
What pages it.

Speaker 3 (01:46:50):
We're on page fifty fifty one actually, to be precise,
take a look. What does he look like? Fucking a
fool or what.

Speaker 2 (01:47:03):
He looks like? Yeah, he looks just like a moron.
I mean also because you know he's got that he's
got a weird body in that his you know, his
his back kind of arches backwards, so it looks like
which in turn makes him have a belly, you know,
so it looks like a dufist, like a fucking clown.

(01:47:27):
It's not very nice, idiot. It's not rest in peace,
by the way.

Speaker 3 (01:47:31):
Yeah, he was one of those real classic wrestling deaths,
you know, like really, oh yeah, really buy the book
series of Issues and Concerns.

Speaker 2 (01:47:40):
Yep.

Speaker 3 (01:47:40):
But so can we see on this tape. Let's who
does Hercules tussle with? On the tussle with on this tape?
It's uh shit, Oh it's a Cousin Jr. Oh Man,
that's a main event anywhere in the country. Cousin Junior,
bare feet overalls, of course, I mean.

Speaker 2 (01:47:59):
Just an another piece of trash.

Speaker 3 (01:48:02):
Didn't. You didn't excite you this mass honestly, not one
fucking bit. I mean, why is it on the best
of WWF If it's not exciting.

Speaker 2 (01:48:08):
That's that's the question.

Speaker 5 (01:48:09):
Man.

Speaker 2 (01:48:10):
I don't know, Well, I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:48:12):
Before we leave, Dan Spivey, maybe I should have played
this clip first. You got a sense of the voice.
We can we can contrast it. But he's going to
talk about the lookalike situation, the Barry Wyndham situation, and
just his overall thoughts. This is in of this run.
This is in a shoot interview with our video.

Speaker 7 (01:48:29):
I came back huge, you know, I came back about
three twenty and I mention didn't like that too much.
You know, you told me one time that you know,
it's not your fault that God made you shicks outing
three hundred and twenty pounds one hair, you know, because
I tell you from that that that was a.

Speaker 4 (01:48:45):
Reference to you know, any one who cogan here so.

Speaker 7 (01:48:48):
In Day's number, you know, right, So I sent employed
for quite a while. And and Terry Fonk, who owe
a lot too.

Speaker 4 (01:48:57):
You know, he's a good friend. Got me in Japan. Oh,
he was the one that got into Japan. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:49:05):
Now, Now, when you went to ww F.

Speaker 7 (01:49:06):
To replace Barry, did you at least give Dusty and
Crockett a chance to make an offer to stay or
did you just go?

Speaker 4 (01:49:14):
Basically I just went.

Speaker 7 (01:49:15):
I really don't remember having a confrontation, but Dusty, you
know that I was really unhappy, and uh, I don't
you know, I've seen since and I don't believe he
holds any Yeah, he's not the scuntled blimmer or anything
like that.

Speaker 2 (01:49:28):
Yeah, did you like teaming with Mike?

Speaker 7 (01:49:30):
Yeah, Mike's an okay guy. You know we had a
lot going play football, played Georgia. You know, he wrestled.

Speaker 3 (01:49:36):
Now can you see him doing that dry interview that
just read?

Speaker 2 (01:49:39):
Yeah, that's that Listen. I'm now convinced that.

Speaker 3 (01:49:42):
It in as you know, seen by fans as a
replacement for Barry Windham rather than.

Speaker 7 (01:49:49):
In w And I didn't care whether, you know, Yeah,
I went in there and I could and uh, trying
to learn from everybody I worked with. You know, it
was the time of Jake the Snake and Ricky Steinbou
and you know I was around you know, Randy Savage,
and you know there's so many good workers.

Speaker 4 (01:50:07):
And uh, you know, I just went out there.

Speaker 7 (01:50:09):
And I believe the people really didn't know that against me,
that I took barriers and then look at me like
Dance by the Coast Barrier's John Barry left, you know,
and I just came in.

Speaker 4 (01:50:18):
I just wanted to work, you.

Speaker 7 (01:50:19):
Know, And being in the w w F was you
know what, you know, all the right can't say. Man,
you know when w w F came on TV, you know,
everybody was like, you know the side, you know, I
can't wait to get to the big show.

Speaker 4 (01:50:31):
You know.

Speaker 3 (01:50:33):
It'll be several years before he could get to the
big show.

Speaker 2 (01:50:35):
But I mean he is he's just listen, he is
way more invigorating than I was.

Speaker 3 (01:50:43):
Yeah, but you were far away because you would think
he'd be much more menacing sounding than that.

Speaker 2 (01:50:47):
Listen, he is just a complete fool. He sounds right,
I mean, that's the thing you'd think, but he does
not sound like he's just awful.

Speaker 3 (01:50:55):
But he looks like someone that will fucking cook you right,
Like he'll exactly you and eat you for dinner. That's
what he looks like, exactly. So that's why the will
and mercy thing I think happened the way it did.
But let's get acquainted with the Hercules Hernandez, shall we
Let's do it, and of mi or myths, neither Hercules Hernandez.

Speaker 2 (01:51:16):
This is also by Karen Bauffin Karen Baufin, Buffin Buffin
Bagwell m. Hercules Hernandez does not suffer from let's lead
with what he is. Not Hercules Hernandez does not suffer
from an identity crisis. He will look you straight in
the eye, without and without batting a lash, tell you

(01:51:37):
that he is the Hercules, the greatest. I don't think
hercules last name was Hernandez, this avery Greek name from
what I know.

Speaker 3 (01:51:48):
Oh my god, So he was supposed to think he
is Hercules.

Speaker 2 (01:51:52):
I mean I never knew that Hercules hernan They call
him Hercules Hernandez, like right there, Oh yeah, that's so
still stupid. The greatest legendary hero of Greek mythology. The
authority in his voice and the sincerity on his face
make one want to believe him. I am Hercules.

Speaker 3 (01:52:11):
I am they put am in italics.

Speaker 2 (01:52:13):
I am Hercules, am Hercules, he asserts. A renowned hypnotist
once put me under and took me back through my
past lives.

Speaker 3 (01:52:23):
One of them was Hercules. We have the proof documented
on tape. There's tape of your past lives.

Speaker 2 (01:52:31):
Wait, there's tape of Hercules.

Speaker 3 (01:52:33):
That's the bigger story.

Speaker 2 (01:52:35):
That's the bigger story.

Speaker 3 (01:52:36):
That there's fucking there's there's tape from ancient Greek mythology.
That's fans a lot of You can look at Wikipedia
and figure out when Hercules came into the WWF and
who he wrestled, and what the years were. But did
you know that the the w w F audience was
told he is the actual Hercules.

Speaker 2 (01:52:55):
No, you did not. He is Hercules, Okay, the one
that he he is, He's the son of Zeus. Okay,
this guy is the son.

Speaker 3 (01:53:04):
It's weird that he came in before tiny Blister.

Speaker 2 (01:53:11):
Factor fiction.

Speaker 3 (01:53:12):
There are undisputed similarities between Hercules, Hernandez and Hercules the demigod.
Only One only needs to view the famous statue of
Hercules battling the centaur to notice the remarkable resemblance. To Ed,
he didn't face a man tar to me, Hernandez has

(01:53:33):
the same dark wavy locks, beard and mustache that their
browny physiques are comparable to. Each man's powerful frame is
chiseled into a muscular work of art. Every chance I get,
I'm in the gym. Hernandez says, I tried to get
in at least an hour and a half each day,

(01:53:54):
or whatever I can get. If I can get only
thirty minutes, then I get thirty minutes. But I always
do something. There's no reason not to be in shape,
especially when you're a professional athlete. I'm always prepared. I'm
always in shape.

Speaker 2 (01:54:12):
The classical Hercules was portrayed in art and literature as
an extremely strong and courageous man who had sporadic irruptions.
Brother of brutal race. As an example, he killed his
first wife. Oh my god, Magara, majera. He's the real Hercules,

(01:54:35):
and they're saying he killed his wife. So why are
there no police taking care of this business? And oh
and their children his first wife, Magara and their children
in a fit of madness. Hercules Hernandez has displayed such characteristics,
and he admits to them.

Speaker 3 (01:55:00):
So bizarre, what so bizarre? What are they trying to do?

Speaker 2 (01:55:04):
Here?

Speaker 3 (01:55:05):
I said, listen, this is, this is, this is what
do you want? It's Greek mythology. This guy's legit.

Speaker 2 (01:55:11):
Listen. He admits it right here. Quote I have a
split personality. I guess I'm kind of wild and crazy.

Speaker 3 (01:55:18):
Sound pretty fucking nuts to me, and.

Speaker 2 (01:55:20):
I do whatever I have to do to get my job.

Speaker 3 (01:55:25):
Sometimes I go out there and find my opponents in
a blind and fury. If they can handle it, they
shouldn't be in the If they can't handle it, they shouldn't.

Speaker 7 (01:55:34):
Be in the ring with me.

Speaker 2 (01:55:35):
I go out there to win, and I do anything
I can to win. I've got one goal myself, I said,
be the WWE World Champion. I don't want to. I
don't have time to waste on these young guys. I
go out there, what.

Speaker 3 (01:55:51):
Talking about this?

Speaker 2 (01:55:52):
Squash them? Hernando says with the stain, each bout is
a stepping stone to the top. And indeed, this twenty
eight years he's twenty eight years old, ridiculous, looks horrible,
forty one and at least.

Speaker 3 (01:56:09):
Year old.

Speaker 2 (01:56:09):
First of all, I know exactly. First of all, if
he's thousands of years old, that's that's the key. Thousands
of years old. Indeed, this twenty eight year old powerhouse
from Tampa, Florida.

Speaker 3 (01:56:19):
Brother, how many more powerhouses from Tampa signed? First of all, dude,
he's h age, dude, what's up with that? A huge problem?

Speaker 2 (01:56:31):
Dude.

Speaker 3 (01:56:32):
He's from Tampa. Dan Spivey's from Tampa.

Speaker 2 (01:56:34):
Who else?

Speaker 3 (01:56:34):
Brother? I'm just trying to fuck with me by high dude.
I always want to know, dude, who's moving into my house?

Speaker 2 (01:56:40):
Brother? That's what I'm getting about. Has bulldozed through his
ring opponents. Not long ago, Hercules quickly vanquished Ivan McDonald
from Scotland. That's fine, Ivan McDonald.

Speaker 3 (01:56:59):
Sounds like good money play?

Speaker 2 (01:57:00):
Who the fuck is this? Climb?

Speaker 3 (01:57:01):
Heard of Ian McDonald's je bron and in a match
that pointed up Hernandez's brutality.

Speaker 2 (01:57:09):
After locking up, here we go. After locking up, Hernandez
began working on McDonald's arm, left arms, working on Donald,
say is that a quarter pound arm?

Speaker 3 (01:57:22):
Quarter Nelson quarters?

Speaker 2 (01:57:26):
But Geez Ivan reversed in the hold, only to have
Hercules reverse it again, this time adding kicks to his
assault on the scot Hercules then sent Ivan to the ropes,
but Ivan rebounded with a drop kick. Hernandez was infuriated
by this attempt to overcome him, so he responded with
illegal punches, a powerful body slam, a quick takedown and

(01:57:47):
on target elbow smash, and a beautifully executed suplex. Next
time they send me a man, Hercules roared as he
kicked Ivan, who was lying on the mat. Oh, next
time send me a man, I guess. Then Hernandez lifted
McDonald high in the air and smashed him down to
the canvas, showing no mercy for his halfless victim. Hercules

(01:58:07):
finally hoisted Ivan across his shoulders and applied his backbreaker,
bouncing McDonald up and down past the point of submission.
I don't like to waste my time with these guys,
Hernandez growls and a thick, husky voice. I might play
with them some when i've got them, when I've got
them beat, but I don't have time to mess around.

(01:58:28):
I've got things to do, you know.

Speaker 3 (01:58:30):
Yeah, like conquer umpires and ship.

Speaker 2 (01:58:33):
Yeah, or like, you know, go to the I don't know,
go to the bathroom or something. We can only hope
every time I move, every every move I have, is
that every time I move was a good move. Every
bowel movement I have is a good doll. Yeah, yeah,
Hercules says arrogantly. What I win with is that backbreaker.

(01:58:56):
But if does he I thought it was a full melson.

Speaker 3 (01:59:00):
That's how he finishes the match on the tape.

Speaker 2 (01:59:03):
Yeah, but they're all good. I am Hercules. I am.
I am Hercules. I am strong, but I'm fast too.

Speaker 3 (01:59:12):
I've probably got to be one of the best athletes
in any professional sport. I really am a good I
really am a good athlete. I promise I really am
a good athlete. I've broken bench press records across the country.

Speaker 2 (01:59:24):
Manager Classy Freddy Blassie agrees with this assessment of Hernandez's talents.
Glassy is known to travel the world over in such
of top in search of top notch wrestlers for his stable.
He will not divulge specifically where he came across Hercules.
Wouldn't it be in Greece? Only that he found him
down in a Latin country, So not Greece. Yess, so

(01:59:49):
he's not the real Hercules. Where we going? No shit?
The Hollywood fashion plate is.

Speaker 3 (01:59:58):
Fashion plate. He looks like it. I've always said he
looks like a grandmother gambling at the casino.

Speaker 2 (02:00:03):
Really does he really does.

Speaker 3 (02:00:05):
A fashion plate to me?

Speaker 2 (02:00:06):
Yeah, is quite pleased with his latest acquisition. He beams
with pride at ringside. When Hernandez conquers another fau, he
shouts words of encouragement to Hercules, such as, that's the way,
when blast, when glassy blast, when classy blasty, that I've
never heard him call before, right classy blast. He showed
off Hernandez for the first time on Jesse Ventura's Body Shop.

(02:00:31):
He said Hercules cost him more money than any other wrestler.
Everyone will be talking about Hercules, Blassy assured wrestling fans.
You got the biggest, the badest, the menus right here.

Speaker 3 (02:00:42):
Oh no, you got here.

Speaker 2 (02:00:45):
Hernandez added. Standing of six foot three inches and weighing
two hundred and sixty five pounds, this tower of power
certainly ranks among the strongest wrestlers in the WWE. He
likes to use maneuvers that require brute strength, which they
just left it at maneuvers. He likes to use maneuvers.

(02:01:06):
Hernandez often demolishes his opponents with bear hugs, shoulder blocks,
power slams, soup plexes, and of course, his spine wrenching
back breaker. Although Hercules was born in New York City,
Oh this is just Greece, Latin Country, Tampa, New York,

(02:01:31):
he considers himself a Tampa native. His family moved to
this Florida City.

Speaker 3 (02:01:36):
I am so confused.

Speaker 2 (02:01:37):
When he was about seriously, this is the this is awful.
When he was six years old. His father used to
take him to wrestling matches when he was young, and
that's when Hercules knew he wanted to be a professional wrestler.
So is either real Hercules or not? Because I'm really
fucking like.

Speaker 3 (02:01:53):
That, he's the real Hercules.

Speaker 2 (02:01:56):
He attended Jared Leto High schools Hercules did, It's just
Leedo High School. By the way, it's aunt Jared butto.

Speaker 3 (02:02:06):
I was gonna say that this isn't lighting up in
my head, but I'll let that one go.

Speaker 2 (02:02:11):
And wrestled all through school. So math class, he's wrestling English.
He's wrestling all these times. He's wrestling all through school.

Speaker 3 (02:02:20):
Socrates go to Juilliard or.

Speaker 2 (02:02:24):
Now he probably went to like Keene State or something
like that. Hernandez was has been a pro for more
than four years now. During his career, he has wrestled
in Japan, Puerto Rico, and around the United States. I
never want to quit, Hernandez says to his profession I'm

(02:02:47):
never going to quit unless someone makes me quit.

Speaker 3 (02:02:51):
I don't know what I'd do if I couldn't wrestle.
I've devoted my whole life to being an athlete. I've
been one since I was five years old. I played
foot and wrestled in school. All I ever wanted to
do was be an athlete.

Speaker 2 (02:03:04):
Yes, Hernandez gets psyched up, oh brother, uh before a
match just by thinking about what he wants to do
to his opponent. It's adrenaline starts pumping, and his heart
starts thumping, and his enthusiasm starts jumping. Carol, Carol, you're

(02:03:30):
fucking killing me, all right, Carol, you're killing me A
wide A wide eyed look signifies his eagerness to do battle.
You have to step in the ring with a right
mental attitude. Hercules says. You get tired, and sometimes you're sick, and.

Speaker 3 (02:03:46):
You're hurt real bad. It's a weird feeling. But when
you walk out those doors and all those people are screaming,
and now he's talking like Quint and screaming, hollering, and
the place is just full up people, that gets you going.

Speaker 2 (02:04:02):
I could go out there with a broken arm. I
faking wrestle. I'm a professional, So booing, name calling and
sign waving don't hurt my feelings. Hercules snarls. They can
do whatever they want. They're gonna yell at me and
scream me. I don't care. They can boo. The more
they boo, the worse I beat on my opponent. Just

(02:04:23):
remember that I am going to be the WWE World Champion.

Speaker 3 (02:04:28):
Hernando stresses there are no ifs or butt ams or
butts about it. Well, it should be could be w
champion and something. You know, there is an essentially good thing.
You know what else is crazy too? One thing I
will say what he's never going to be WWF champion.

Speaker 2 (02:04:45):
No, exactly, it's not even I mean, he's never going
to be a champion. I mean it's kind of funny.
The picture next to him says he wants a title
that would be never gonna happen there, hurk.

Speaker 3 (02:05:00):
Idol of completely delusional.

Speaker 2 (02:05:02):
Yeah, he gets the title of losing like what World's
strongest man to Ultimate Warrior or something, right, and he
loses something like that, some kind of title like that,
or the strongest man of the company or something. Uh,
just I know somebody, I will be the world champion.
I may not be as soon as I want. It
might take time, so yeah, but it will happen. I'm

(02:05:27):
pretty confident about myself. I know what I'm doing.

Speaker 3 (02:05:31):
Takes he somehow takes all the charisma out of himself
on the printed page.

Speaker 2 (02:05:37):
It's like he really does. Uh. With Blassie's guidance, Hernandez
is in charge of his own destiny. Well wait a minute, wait,
wait if if if Blassie is guiding him, how is
Hernandez in charge of his own destiny? If somebody else
is guiding.

Speaker 3 (02:05:55):
Is he because Blassie isn't at will employee, he can
fire him whatever he wants.

Speaker 2 (02:06:01):
I think the Blassie is guiding his destiny.

Speaker 3 (02:06:03):
He's using one of the top three consultancies. He's bringing in.
He's bringing in Deloitte.

Speaker 2 (02:06:09):
Okay, will he triumph and become the world champion? Or
will he be annihilated by an able adversary, just as
Hercules was destroyed in ancient Greece. The future holds the answer,
Thank you for that knowledge. The past holds an answer
to Once upon a time, could Hercules Hernandez have been

(02:06:31):
the Hercules, son of Zeus, demigod and national hero worshiped
throughout Greece. The mighty Hercules of long ago was trained
in wrestling, archery, and other arts by several experts like
pottery as well. Did he sing? What are the other arts?
I'm very curious with the other arts.

Speaker 3 (02:06:48):
I don't know why that has to be in there.

Speaker 2 (02:06:49):
But furthermore, exactly furthermore, that superhuman Hercules won his second wife,
diani Era, from the river god Akios in a wrestling match.
So is Hercules Hernandez merely a man of might or myth?
Was he transplanted here from another time?

Speaker 3 (02:07:09):
I know the answer to that.

Speaker 2 (02:07:10):
One believe what you will. One solid fact is that
Hernandez is destroying all his competition. And that's no fairy tale.
What a piece of shit? What if? Oh my god?

Speaker 3 (02:07:26):
Are they trying to get across with this guy?

Speaker 2 (02:07:29):
I mean, I don't I really don't know. Does he
I don't know?

Speaker 3 (02:07:32):
Does he specialize in Greco Roman? I would think. So
he's the actual Hercules. Yes, Oh, he thinks he is
even better, or he claims he is, which is worse?
Just a normal guy Hercules Helmandez trying to be like

(02:07:57):
a Hercules her Monopolis or something right exactly? Yet I
know it's true. Oh, by the way, best of the
WWF not worst, faster, not the drizzling shit to the
WWEE you think you're ready, Oh no, let's get to
know Ted Arcd. Ted RCD is featured on the tapes

(02:08:20):
Wrestling against Terry Gibbs one seventeen eighty six. A barrel
of a man? Do you know he's true? Do you
know he's from New Hampshire?

Speaker 2 (02:08:31):
I did know he's He is from New Hampshire.

Speaker 3 (02:08:34):
This is if you ever wonder who we're trying to imitate,
if you're not from around the New England area. When
we do the Boston Guy, it's pretty much Ted Arcd.
And this article, in so many ways started at all.
It ran on April twenty ninth, ninet eighty five in
the Boston Globe, which of course was right around the
time of WrestleMania one. Yeah, and it reads the Strongest

(02:08:56):
Who's to argue Who's the strongest man in the world?
John Wooten or William Kasmir? That is the future w
CW star Bill Kasmir.

Speaker 2 (02:09:05):
Yeah, right there we go.

Speaker 3 (02:09:06):
Neither says Ted r CD, twenty six year old toughs
dental student from Concered. He's from Conquered mass tough. He
went to you went to dental school.

Speaker 2 (02:09:14):
Tough dropped down Christ.

Speaker 3 (02:09:16):
I'm the strongest man in the world and I've proved it.
Let let let them take me to court. And he says,
oh okay, Jesus, listen that that right there, that that
right there is.

Speaker 2 (02:09:28):
Like New England or oh yeah, you're saying I'm not
fucking line taking the cord. I'll prove it to you.
Piece of ship.

Speaker 3 (02:09:35):
Our city was sarcastically referring to a highly publicized court
case last summer to decide who was really the strongest
Wootin or Kasmir.

Speaker 2 (02:09:43):
By the way, his his Wikipedia photo is yes, I
mean he just he looks like a substitute jimy teacher.

Speaker 3 (02:09:52):
He still dies his mustache. Yeah, yeah, exactly, exactly. Oh man,
what like that stringy long hairy's go on, come on,
it's cool. Stop, all right, fine, whatever if you say so.
I mean, does this guy get hots on the sub
or what? Oh this guy gets the hot Listen, he asks,

(02:10:13):
and listen he always gets extra probolong. All right, no question, Kasmir.
Now we know what Joela Creta's customers look like, right.
Kasmir based his claim on three consecutive victories in the
World's Strongest Man contest would encounter.

Speaker 2 (02:10:33):
It is uh Is terror cd on on Wikipedia because
I want to ask Hi if he knows Joel Cameo.

Speaker 3 (02:10:37):
You mean, that's what I mean? I said to Wikipedia, Man,
he should be on Cameo. Oh yeah, he clean up.
He has He has an l j N. Don't hate
he has an l j N.

Speaker 2 (02:10:48):
That's that's I mean, look at that's his That's that's
gotta be the most random LJN they made, right, I'm
gonna say that that to me, that is on par
with nails having a has Seriously, you know it's that
It's that fucking like, who really, who.

Speaker 3 (02:11:04):
Is the most WTF has bro? Who's the most random
guy that just by by luck of circumstance ended up
being in the company. It would it be Berserker probably?

Speaker 2 (02:11:15):
No, probably Borga honestly interesting, Yeah, because he was in
at the at the fucking tail end, right. Actually, you know, honestly,
you know the biggest what the WTF is flair because
he was well out of the company before that fucking
figure came out.

Speaker 3 (02:11:30):
That's right. If you know that about it, it doesn't make
any sense.

Speaker 2 (02:11:32):
Yeah, it makes no sense. And justice for that matterscinating.
They were both like gone, they were justified when came out.

Speaker 3 (02:11:40):
You know, they were justified at a time. It just
didn't come out in time. Yes, I'm thinking that people
that you know just didn't deserve a figure at all.

Speaker 2 (02:11:49):
I mean, Borgah, for sure. It's an interesting chance, interesting
debate and nails. I mean the two of them, that's
in no way. I mean Kamala, Yeah, he.

Speaker 3 (02:12:03):
Doesn't jump out to me as undeserving, but I'm not
sure anyone does. That's kind of my point about this thing.
It's like, you know, it'd be interesting because the answer
isn't obvious. But if I ranked them all, if I
looked at a list of every Hasbro figure, I'd be
able to find you know what I mean, I'd be
able to find one I think is the most like,
why do they make a figure with this guy?

Speaker 2 (02:12:21):
But Borga is a really good choice.

Speaker 3 (02:12:23):
Would encountered by pointing out that he had, among other things,
pulled with a nose ring. What the hell did I
get that from? Pulled with a noose around his neck,
not with a nose ring, as was he Batista, a
two hundred and forty thousand pound train prevented a DC
three cargo jet from taking off by restraining it with
a rope and lifted on his back the entire Harvard
University marching band, complete with instruments. US Toucher Court Judge

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Joseph el Toro declined to hand down a firm decision,
suggesting instead that both Kashmir and wouldn't be permitted to
call themselves the world's strongest because each possessed a variety
of skills. R CD bases his claim on the fact
that he won the Hawaiian International power Lifting Championship in
Marched with an all time heavyweight bench press of seven
hundred and five pounds, and that's where the whole seven
hundred and five pound bench press lore comes from. That

(02:13:07):
WWF heavily leaned into. What made it even sweeter for
our CD is that he wiped Kashmir's previous record of
six hundred and sixty one pounds off of the books.
I had bettered Kashmir's record once before with a six
sixty six, but I was afraid it wouldn't be nationally recognized,
our CD explained. I wanted to make sure this time around.
Weight experts compare our CDs one year thirty eight point
one pound lift increase to that of a sprinter, shaving

(02:13:28):
two seconds off the world record in a one hundred
yard dash. If our CD says he's the strongest of
them all, who's going to challenge him? The bearded one
packs two hundred and eighty five pounds on his five
foot eleven frame. URCDS skillfully makes the case that the
truest test of a man's strength is the bench press,
which is the catalyst of all competitive lifts. After our
CD had performed his amazing feet of strength brute strength,

(02:13:49):
the meat's promoter, Gus Rethswitch was quoted as saying that
he felt if ted could get his weight up to
a round three thirty, he could be the first to
break another barrier, the eight hundred pound mark. Maybe so,
agreed our CD, but I'm not going to give it
a try. It would mean another two years of rigid
training and it isn't worth all all the bother, a
graduate of Arlington Catholic and Norwich University or City, said
his interest in weightlifting continually grew while his body didn't

(02:14:13):
know while he was building his upper body in preparation
for playing football and hockey. Although he's been.

Speaker 2 (02:14:17):
All right, I got it. I got it, and I'll
tell you why I have my I have reasons here
because I'm also going to include here in terms of
the biggest what the fuck has Bro? Okay, because I'm
also going to include pay per view appearances? Okay, like
cause you get to put that in perspective, Like, you know,
someone who has an action figure had to have made

(02:14:39):
some kind of impressive pay per view appearance and correct
me if I'm wrong, But this person only has one
and it was a royal rumble. Besides that, no other
pay per view appearances. Papa Chando, Yeah, yeah, you know,
as much as he's scared people, it's also like, what

(02:15:01):
the fuck or Skinner? Skinner's better? He had two Repo
Man Repo had a.

Speaker 3 (02:15:10):
Pretty bad too.

Speaker 2 (02:15:11):
Yeah, because what I I.

Speaker 3 (02:15:13):
Mean, I think a prerequisite of what I mean is
that they were never in the main event ever. Okay,
So first of all, they don't deserve a Hasbro because
they never made invented. Second of all, where they were
on the card, they won't impact players in their own
right anyway. They just happened to be at the company
At the time, Hasbro was drawing up another line of figures.
And that's really the only reason they have a figure.

(02:15:34):
And I definitely think Man and Skinner. I think Skinner
is the winner. Honestly, Skinner. There's no reason for a
Skinner toy because even when he was there, well you
consider his peak, he was one of the most forgettable
guys on the roster. He barely do anything right. He
was he was worthless. I mean, he had the one
fucking WRESTLEMANI appearance. What would make them think anybody would

(02:15:54):
want a Skinner toy?

Speaker 2 (02:15:55):
You know? And and yet I bought one.

Speaker 3 (02:15:57):
I bought one in his entrance theme remains legendary to
this day. So back to Ted r CD Gainner. Yes,
in propresson wlaying football and hockey. Although he's been involved
competitively for only four years, he's been lifting bars since
nineteen seventy eight. Brother, Yeah, well, if they're not bolted down,

(02:16:17):
you can get them up. That's how I caught the
iron Mistress bug our city said. I weighed one hundred
and sixty pounds when I started the program and began
reading some books about body development. I made such remarkable
muscular gains I decided to get completely out of team sports.
I went out for track instead and competed in the
shot put in hammer events. I did fairly well in both.
After turning to powerlifting in nineteen eighty, or CD set
His first major achievement was finishing second in the New

(02:16:38):
England Championship with a four hundred and forty pound bench press.
He was twenty two at the time and in the
two hundred and twenty pound weigh class. In nineteen eighty two,
our CD won his first major title in the two
hundred seventy pound catch category a category rather with a
six hundred pound bench press, in the Mass State Championship.
From there, he kept moving up in weight class. Since
leaving Norwich, our City has participated in eight heavyweight and
super heavyweight powerlifting championship events and set records and seven.

(02:17:00):
Because of his full commitment, he decided after his freshman
year to temporarily drop out of Tufts. Out of one
of seven children, including four brothers, Ted is the only
one involved in sports. One brother is a surgeon, another
an architect, a third a computer technician. Our City says
he's now thinking of turning two pro wrestling. You're damn right,

(02:17:21):
possibly by this summer. I'd be foolish not to take
advantage of the fact that I possess both the strength
and credibility to go in a wrestling as a professions.
At r CD, the sport is soaring in popularity and
it's very lucrative. At present, our city is serving as
a part time science teacher at Newton North High School.
He's also supplementing his.

Speaker 2 (02:17:36):
N Oh my god, yes he is.

Speaker 3 (02:17:38):
You imagine he's your fucking science teacher and then he's
in WWF the next year.

Speaker 2 (02:17:42):
I mean, think about his size, right, I know, to
begin with, think about him, this guy about chemistry. Fucking
go like, he knows all about fucking combining elements.

Speaker 3 (02:17:56):
They kids, we're gonna learn about anavar.

Speaker 2 (02:17:59):
Actually, you know what, I'm sorry, he knows better about
combining supplements.

Speaker 3 (02:18:03):
He's also supplementing his income, appearing throughout the country's seminars, lectures,
and demonstrations. He's also endorsing physical fitness training equipment. Of
those commercial ventures, says our CD, meet the rigard standards
set by national powerlifting federations. When Ted RCD does finally
get around to launching his pro wrestling career, he should
feel right at home. Woul the body lift and slam

(02:18:26):
the oh and pin and pin, yes and pen Indeed,
there you go. And you've got to wonder, wow, how
the news is received on the home front, because, according
to ted Arcity in this interview that he did with
John pause Over at the Two Man Power Trip of
Wrestling podcast, it wasn't like Papa ar City was necessarily

(02:18:48):
lit in on the fact that Old Teddy was considering
a shift to the fake and his response. Papa our
City's response says it all.

Speaker 10 (02:18:58):
I had one of those handsomes, you know, the eighties.

Speaker 8 (02:19:01):
You leave a message after the beat, and uh, my
father's on the phone, just like this.

Speaker 10 (02:19:08):
I just saw the article in the Globe. If you
even hobbor a thought.

Speaker 8 (02:19:14):
A joining that shot, I'm changing the locks click whoa.

Speaker 2 (02:19:20):
And I paid that fantastical.

Speaker 10 (02:19:23):
Like twenty years. I wanted to keep it and I
lost it.

Speaker 8 (02:19:27):
And I think he knew I wasn't going to go
back because he didn't understand still then he heard it
WrestleMania one just come out in eighty five, and he
thought it was just a fad, you know, because the
guy is a beauty.

Speaker 10 (02:19:40):
The guy he wants me to make a living. How
are you going to make a living doing that? I
go down. I get to give it a shot.

Speaker 8 (02:19:46):
I get to give it a shot because I think
I'm athletic enough too, and I think I would be.

Speaker 2 (02:19:53):
A draw and uh, oh my god.

Speaker 8 (02:19:56):
And then he was very upset and we didn't talk
for a while and until he saw me on TV,
and then then we started seeing each other again. I
was cool with the rest of my family, with my
mother and my six siblings.

Speaker 10 (02:20:07):
But my dad, I I, you know, I felt bad.
I felt bad.

Speaker 8 (02:20:12):
There was a lot of empathy, but I just had
to follow my dreams because I know, if I'm never
gonna do this again, I got to give it a
fucking shot, you know, because I'm always gonna regret.

Speaker 10 (02:20:21):
I'm not the kind of guy. I don't want to
have any regrets. You know.

Speaker 3 (02:20:29):
This. This interview conducted in the parking lot of the
gym where they shot a bigger, faster, Stronger. Tomorrow's another day.

Speaker 2 (02:20:37):
No, definitely not. There definitely a fucking you know, at
a gym at at a fucking rundown gym out outside
of Wakefield.

Speaker 3 (02:20:45):
Same plaza as like a roast beef sandwich place, exactly,
you fucking work out instead of getting the smoothie like
some people do.

Speaker 2 (02:20:53):
He can fucking get a roast beef.

Speaker 3 (02:20:55):
Sub okay, dead our city money, needless to say, money, money, money, money.
His dad is shamed. I'm changing the locks. If you
get involved, if you even have the thought of getting
involved in that circus, I'm changing the locks. Clicked, Teddy, Teddy,
let me tell you something. Okay, you fucking get involved

(02:21:16):
in this fictitious fracas, you're out. My dad had away
with words Theodora, and in Boston, they don't kick you
out of the house. They change the locks.

Speaker 2 (02:21:27):
They change the locks. I'm going to call the locksmith,
all right. That's oh, buddy, fucking dead hard city. Oh
my god, what a what a goof?

Speaker 3 (02:21:45):
Change the locks? Why there's too many capers in there?

Speaker 2 (02:21:54):
Change the locks have been out, It's been out for
like three weeks now. It's not a smell like fish.
Oh wait.

Speaker 3 (02:22:03):
But Ted's one of those Boston guys. He always is
fucking You know, I just gotta say fucking emphasize my point.
If I don't say fucking, then you don't know how
to Then you don't know if I mean what I'm
fucking saying. You know, the guy is amazing guys. I
can't believe this guy and that I'm in the wrestling business.
I can't believe this guy has an lj N figure.
I mean, he's like his dad calls him when he

(02:22:24):
reads in the globe that he's thinking about being a
pro wrestler.

Speaker 2 (02:22:27):
Yeah, that's exactly it. Yeah, Red in the glob of
your fucking piece of shit, you motherfucker. I'll call Spotlight.
I don't give a ship.

Speaker 3 (02:22:39):
Tell you what I'll tell I'm gonna call Spotlight until
it's all fucking phony, all right, before you even get him,
this guy's gone there dead or CID's dad is going
to blow the whistle on wrestling so that his son
doesn't get exactly infamy of being in Aminity.

Speaker 2 (02:22:55):
However, you say that so you don't disgrace the city
name if you even.

Speaker 3 (02:23:00):
Hob a by the thought, hob of the thought of
getting involved in.

Speaker 4 (02:23:07):
That.

Speaker 8 (02:23:07):
I had one of those answer machines, you know, the eighties,
when you leave a message after the.

Speaker 2 (02:23:11):
Beat answer and.

Speaker 3 (02:23:17):
Like every other fucking answery machine in the world, like
why is that an eighties answering machine?

Speaker 2 (02:23:21):
Like every answering machine until you get st.

Speaker 3 (02:23:26):
And so you say, but for like for like thirty
years until people sort of getting voicemail on their phone.
We all had answering machines that said leave it fucking
thing at how young? I don't know how young.

Speaker 8 (02:23:37):
Yeah, but I had one of those answer machines and
all the eighties where you leave a message after the
beat and my father's on the phone just like this,
goes ted. I just saw the article in the Globe.
If you even hobbra a thought joining that circus fought
I'm changing the locks.

Speaker 5 (02:23:58):
Click Sunday, August thirty, whoa and takes on Times Square
tickets at Comedy village dot com. There goes the neighborhood,
You fucking bitch. Comedy Village dot com. There goes the neighborhood.

Speaker 2 (02:24:10):
Do it live? Bitch?

Speaker 5 (02:24:11):
Was the neighborhood, you fucking bitch. Fucking bitch, you're right.

Speaker 2 (02:24:14):
In the middle of it all. That's really where we belonged.

Speaker 8 (02:24:16):
I had one of those ans machines and all the eighties,
will you leave a message?

Speaker 3 (02:24:21):
So answer is one of the eighties answer the answering
that's spelled A N s R I N answering.

Speaker 2 (02:24:41):
The one of Billy Jack Haynes. An unusual case is
the one of Billy.

Speaker 3 (02:24:47):
Jack, I can say that. We can say that again.

Speaker 2 (02:24:50):
Oh man, yes.

Speaker 3 (02:24:51):
But for now we'll just focus in on Ted r
CD and the pages of the Wish magazine June in
July nineteen eighty six. There we're on page thirty by us.

Speaker 2 (02:25:00):
He's got the fucking like he sounds like, uh, a
fucking family guy, and he fucking sounds like.

Speaker 3 (02:25:11):
He's gotta's gotta be where Seth macfarnalland got it.

Speaker 2 (02:25:14):
I imagine its gonna be one of them.

Speaker 8 (02:25:15):
Yeah, when you leave a message after the beat.

Speaker 3 (02:25:22):
Go ahead a message beat, he says like he's pissed
at the word beep exactly. He's pissed, like he's pissed
that he even had one. Look at his look at
his upper body.

Speaker 2 (02:25:35):
Oh my god, he is he is grotesque. Okay, he
is grow tesque.

Speaker 3 (02:25:41):
And this guy's flying around the country on on you know,
standard airfare, you know, in the small seats in the hotels,
having to keep that figure while having no access to
like the nutrition that he you know needs the back
and he's there just knocking end.

Speaker 2 (02:26:03):
Well, no, no, nor should it.

Speaker 3 (02:26:07):
Let's let's acquaint ourselves with what the WWF wanted us
to think, and author Gene Manning wanted us to think
about one Ted Rcity.

Speaker 2 (02:26:13):
Indeed the strongest man in wrestling? How many times I
had heard that boast? The thought had crossed my mind
one hundred times more as I headed to the Madison
Square Garden to see the debut of a newcomer to
the worldless the entertainment's lineup of stars, Ted Arciti. The
word was that he had broken the super heavyweight bench

(02:26:34):
press record at a weightlifting meat in Hawaii the year
before with a seven hundred and five point five pound lift.
I tried to imagine what seven hundred and five pounds
would equal to. I would equal two Hulk Hogans, one
Andre and a Ricky steamboat on Rye, Greg Valentine Brutus
and Johnny Valliant. This must be really powerful, But could

(02:26:59):
he vessel Picking up people and slamming them would be
a little tougher than picking up iron. My anticipation grew
as I waited for his match. Finally, as Ted approached
the ring, I could see every inch of his of
this man, oh, I could see every inch of this
man was powerful muscle. He had no fear of the opponent.

(02:27:21):
Waiting between the ropes. Obviously he had learned his wrestling
lessons very well. Who teaches lessons? By the way, I'm
very curious who teaches the wrestling lessons he was. That's
important to know.

Speaker 3 (02:27:33):
He trained in a facility in Orange, Connecticut. That's all
I could find out about. Wow, I want to know
who taught him lessons? Did he have a desk that
he had to like? You know, what's the deal? Explain
to me wrestling lessons. His technique had not acquired some
of the flare of a veteran, but his match was
full of action. His holds were brutally powerful, and at

(02:27:56):
times I thought he would squeeze his adversary. In two
Ted's debut was successful when he pinned his man to
the mat and the referee raised his arm and victory.
As he stood there, you could see there is no
wrestler in the profession that strikes fear in this man.
Fear is not in his veins, only determination and drive
to be the very big other things, And.

Speaker 2 (02:28:21):
Wrestling was not always in the future for this bright
young man from Massachusetts, raised in a family of raised
in a family of professionals. Wrestlers just professionals, generic professionals.

Speaker 3 (02:28:36):
I was raised at a family of amateurs, so I.

Speaker 2 (02:28:39):
Know exactly that's the thing. I you know, maybe had
one professional, but mostly amateurs. Also raised in family amateurs,
the Briscoes. His futures. I mean, if if his dad
was a professional, why is he so fuckingiss about his
side joining the professional ranks. His future seemed to be

(02:29:02):
planned with parents, brothers, and sisters in the fields of
medicine and education. It seemed almost inevitable that Ted would follow.
His parents played a very important role in his early
years with a lesson that they taught him well. To
be in achiever in life, you must be open and
willing to learn new things. Ted's first year in college

(02:29:26):
was filled with new lessons Jesus Christ's fucking lessons. He
discovered the weight training programs he had used in high
school for football and wrestling were paying off for his body.
He trained extra hard and the results were incredible. He
went from one hundred and sixty five pounds to two
hundred and eighty five pounds in a few years. With

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his body weighed increasing, his weights on the bar were
adding up to his bench press records were improving with
each contest. His workout routine and diet were paying off.
He was lifting up to five hundred pounds with ease.
After college, Ted became a high school teacher, but continued
with his weights. During the summer, Ted ran a weight

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weight training camp for youngsters from grade seven to twelve. Hey,
does everybody here want to be just like just like
mister Rasidi. Look, look where I am today. Okay, here
we are, and we have we have the potential. I'll
tell you what you got. You all see that there
are there are weights in front of you, in front

(02:30:28):
of yours. You all got weights in front of you.
Throw them away, Throw them away. I'm going to give
you the secret success right here. It's in a bottle.
It's in a bottle.

Speaker 3 (02:30:37):
And I got a sur Lyla l Zato of wrestling
here Anava teachers like, okay, okay, mister our city, that's enough.
I got a bottle right here, He says.

Speaker 2 (02:30:54):
Look, I got a bottle right here for everybody in
this camp. All right, you all, uh ages seven to twelve,
you are allowed to you steroids.

Speaker 3 (02:31:02):
He's like kind of like shouting it because they're forcibly
removing him from the room, and he's like trying to finish.

Speaker 2 (02:31:08):
It is not illegal for you to use steroids.

Speaker 3 (02:31:11):
It was not illegal to possess. It is not illegal
to possess. It is only illegal to sell without a prescription.

Speaker 2 (02:31:17):
All right, look, I'm not selling.

Speaker 3 (02:31:19):
I'm divving my god. Did you, in fact, mister arsity,
sell anabolic steroids to high school students?

Speaker 2 (02:31:26):
No?

Speaker 8 (02:31:26):
I gave.

Speaker 2 (02:31:27):
I did not. I did not. I provided them as
gifts to my class.

Speaker 3 (02:31:34):
And in exchange for those gifts, did you receive a
market rate?

Speaker 2 (02:31:37):
I offered them as gifts to my class of workout artists.

Speaker 3 (02:31:43):
It's like a sandwich artist subway, except to working animals.
And in return for said gifts, I received the market
rate for said products in cash.

Speaker 2 (02:31:59):
But I did not sell illegally.

Speaker 3 (02:32:04):
Sell it all.

Speaker 2 (02:32:05):
Actually, that's right, Ted says he now. Now he wishes
he had someone to train and work with him when
he was younger, because he knows how important these years
are for a young athlete. He stresses that this is
the time for young people to learn the right way
to train, as he fucking as he sticks a needle
in his did you use me? This is the this

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is the time for your young people to go on
the right way to hold on shooting the right way
to train. Oh yeah, it sound to work. Huh, it
works right away.

Speaker 3 (02:32:38):
There it is. He's okay, all right, he says, there
it is after he administers the shot. There it is.

Speaker 2 (02:32:45):
I feel that cycle rolling right now.

Speaker 3 (02:32:47):
Now, well, the business is cyclical, right, that's right exactly,
mister r Citi. Did you sell anabolic steroids?

Speaker 1 (02:32:58):
Uh?

Speaker 3 (02:32:58):
Is selling steroids illegal?

Speaker 8 (02:33:00):
Yes?

Speaker 3 (02:33:00):
It is?

Speaker 2 (02:33:01):
Then No, I did not. I did not sell. I
did not give away uh steroids for the exchange of
monetary benefits.

Speaker 3 (02:33:12):
I only gave them away for the exchange of cash.

Speaker 2 (02:33:17):
I did give them away for coins. If that means
anything bitcoin, If it doesn't mean anything about the bitcoin
in nineteen eighty six, is not illegal for me to
sell steroids for bitcoin. I am now declaring that cell
that that law.

Speaker 3 (02:33:31):
What episode did they have say? This poor guy had
to have a Boston accent, didn't he We're never gonna
stop ever.

Speaker 2 (02:33:43):
It's ten a CD.

Speaker 4 (02:33:45):
Oh my god, Tennis. You know Teddy?

Speaker 2 (02:33:51):
Oh my god, I love Teddy and I go way back.

Speaker 3 (02:33:54):
It's like and he's talking to John Pause on the interview,
and several times like he brings up a wrestler that
he you know, shared the ring with who died. He
doesn't know like how they died.

Speaker 2 (02:34:04):
He goes, how did he died? John, Oh, can you
tell me how we died?

Speaker 3 (02:34:10):
So he's like, because he's got like a short list
of things that like his alarm is going to go
off if he died from like one or two things
that he has in common. Oh, drugs, Okay, that's fine.
I never did real drugs. I said, the stuff you're
sticking in your ass. Seriously, it really really what puts

(02:34:31):
him over the edges that he's fucking New England there
with a thick ass, fucking accent. You know, if he'd
been just a normal person, forget it.

Speaker 8 (02:34:40):
I had one of those answer machines and all the
eighties when you leave a message after the beat.

Speaker 2 (02:34:45):
You know, I had one of those answer machines. You
know the eighties, I do, I do. Didn't say from
the eighties, you know the eighties and the eighties.

Speaker 3 (02:34:53):
Yeah, we all had one. Yeah, no, no, But he
doesn't say, you know, from the eighties or you know,
like in the eighties.

Speaker 2 (02:34:59):
He says, you know, the eighties.

Speaker 3 (02:35:00):
You know what I bet dollars to donuts that he
ted our city was a you know what to do?

Speaker 2 (02:35:05):
Guy? Do you know what I mean by that?

Speaker 4 (02:35:07):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (02:35:07):
Yes, you know what to do? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (02:35:12):
Okay, this is Ted. I'm not home right now. I'm
probably at the gym working out.

Speaker 2 (02:35:17):
You know what to do?

Speaker 3 (02:35:20):
Cool guy?

Speaker 2 (02:35:20):
Fuck leave it the beat?

Speaker 3 (02:35:22):
Fuck yeah, because he didn't press the button right exactly,
fucking bitch, go ahead, keep going.

Speaker 2 (02:35:31):
Fucking crocksucker. He stresses that time if if not, they
could damage their quote growth bones, quote growth bones, which
could cause problems later in.

Speaker 3 (02:35:46):
My growth supply.

Speaker 2 (02:35:47):
Yeah, exactly exactly, and the growth hormone perhaps.

Speaker 7 (02:35:51):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (02:35:52):
Though his teaching career was important, Ted had always wanted
to explore professional wrestling, and with the notoriety gained by
his bench press feet, the opportunity came. Hey, big fan
of that bench pressent? Can you tease me how to
do that? What do you use? What do you use?
What do you do? What are you in the rigs
with their juice? What do you do? Give me? What

(02:36:13):
does it take? I want to be like? What does
it take? What does it take to be just like you? Well,
first you got to get one of these answer machines.
Do you have one of these? Answer Do you have
an answer machine? In the eighties. What are you addressing
me as the eighties or are you saying are you

(02:36:35):
saying the eighties had it?

Speaker 3 (02:36:37):
Please? Can you what did you just say? Do you
have an answer machine in the eighties? Thank you? Like
he's a robot. It's like short circuiting, you know, like
you just can't. It's like stuck on this track. The eighties, eighties, eighties.

Speaker 2 (02:37:00):
Fashion and all the eighties, you know, the eighties right
in the middle of it all. That's really where we belong.
Do you have an answer machine? You know the eighties?
We're in the eighties. I do know the eighties. We're
in them right now. Is that? What are you talking about? Yeah?
Do you have an answer machine? You know? The eighties?
What what?

Speaker 3 (02:37:21):
I I don't know how to answer you because you're
like a machine. Do you have an answer machine?

Speaker 4 (02:37:29):
You know?

Speaker 2 (02:37:30):
The eighties? And find you very find you very confusing.
What's your name?

Speaker 3 (02:37:43):
Ted Aaronchini? Is that your name?

Speaker 2 (02:37:48):
That's your name, Ted Rabiata? What it is?

Speaker 3 (02:37:52):
Is that? What it is?

Speaker 2 (02:37:54):
Like?

Speaker 3 (02:37:54):
Tell tell me that's what it is, bitch, tell me
that's what your name is.

Speaker 2 (02:37:58):
What is your name? I need to know your name?

Speaker 3 (02:38:02):
A wrestler he's not working for him. What is your name?
I need to know your name, Like it's the.

Speaker 2 (02:38:08):
Who he just asks to fucking train him, and like,
how can I be? How can I be you?

Speaker 3 (02:38:13):
I need to know your name as an individual, as
an individual. Meanwhile, there's a picture in this article of
him winning a top wristlock battle with renegal Ley fucking Christ.

Speaker 2 (02:38:24):
I know like he looks he looks tired.

Speaker 3 (02:38:28):
Oh yeah, and still and still images he looks exhausted.
That's to tell you, oh.

Speaker 2 (02:38:32):
My god, exactly Uh those was important read it in.
He entered the ranks of the w late his year,
being called quote the strongest in the pros. However, has
not made his entry into the w w E any easier.
It has provoked some envy, notably from the likes of
Big John Studd. Anyone who beats our city, how moreover,

(02:38:54):
would get instant recognition. So he is a marked man.
He has been hit with more than a few new
tricks applied to by those jealous of him and his strength.
But he says this makes the battle. Excuse me here,
I sip to the next page, the battle more interesting.

(02:39:16):
In the victory sweeear as I talked with Ted. After
the debut, I realized that this man was just as
determined to win a title in wrestling as he had
been in powerlifting. I asked him about the famous lift
and asked him to describe the event which occurred last
year at the Hawaii International Powerlifting Championships. Ted, weighing just

(02:39:38):
over tw hundred and ninety seven pounds, So wouldn't he
be like two hundred and ninety eighty seven point five
pounds or something, started to bench press. That started his
bench press event with six hundred and seventeen pounds. The
press was done with such ease that many of the
judges knew that this day would be remembered. Did you
ask them, do we know this for a fact? Oh? Yes,
I remember this. This was a day to be remember.

(02:40:00):
I knew right from the get go six seventeen I
knew we would remember this day. The press was his
second lift was quite conservative, with six hundred and fifty pounds.
On his third and final attempt, he selected six hundred
and seventy seven pounds. This weight would exceed the listed
Oh shit, for Christ's sake, would exceed the listed International

(02:40:23):
Powerlifting Federation world record of Bill Kashmir. The lift was
quickly renamed rammed Up by our city, who seemed to
grow stronger with each lift he had broken the record.
Ted then asked for and received permission to try a
fourth attempt. This time, the bar was loaded with pound
after pound until the weight was well over the seven

(02:40:44):
hundred pound mark. The crowd knew the danger of a
lift of this magnitude, did they, and immediately went silent
with strength and intensity that shook his whole body. To
approach the lifting platform, he wasted no time as he
wrapped his hands around the bar. He quickly he took
it from the spotters, bringing the bar down to his

(02:41:04):
chest with perfect control and positioning. He drove the bar
upward over his chest and faced to position it in
a full lockout at arms length length. Ted had broken
all records and then some. Ted has high marks and
other lifts besides bench press. He squatted seven hundred and
twenty pounds, dead lifts seven hundred and fifty pounds, and

(02:41:24):
holds an unofficial record for a behind the neck press
of three hundred and seventy five pounds. Just a few
weeks ago, he did a front and dumbbell press of
one hundred and seventy pounds with each dumbbell. With these feats,
to his credit, he seems to have the answer to
the question of who is the strongest man in wrestling?

(02:41:45):
Who do you think it is?

Speaker 3 (02:41:48):
I think it just made a very compelling case there.
I think so Gene Manning, that it is indeed ted
our Citio Hall.

Speaker 2 (02:41:56):
And that's the case.

Speaker 3 (02:41:58):
And that's that's how he was framed, trained by Tony Altamari,
actually former tacting partner of Louellbano. So that's the Jesus
the answer, he says.

Speaker 2 (02:42:08):
I'd like to I'd like you to know so in
case you didn't notice this before. But on the next
page is a as they're talking about all the weights
he can lift. There is a weight Watchers ad the
winner has come to lose.

Speaker 3 (02:42:23):
I don't want to get don't want to get too
big now, yeah, exactly, almost, like I mean, it looks
like kids by the way too.

Speaker 2 (02:42:31):
Well, it's as well. We believe that children need to
understand when they're fat.

Speaker 3 (02:42:40):
There's no more. It's social media advertising is just the
same as magazine advertising used to be. There's no faster
way to profit than ads that are like are you
too fat. Probably you're probably the fuck.

Speaker 1 (02:42:53):
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(02:43:27):
need their candy.

Speaker 5 (02:43:28):
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Speaker 1 (02:44:02):
He's a lapsed fan wrestling podcast with Jack and Corn
and JPISO co.

Speaker 2 (02:44:08):
Ed and all girl camps ages ten to twenty one
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that Fox right?

Speaker 3 (02:44:19):
Huh?

Speaker 2 (02:44:20):
Now now camps with two, three, four, seven and eight
week sessions.

Speaker 3 (02:44:24):
Well, I'm gonna tell you, honey, you know you are
getting a little fat. I think you should go for
eight weeks, send you to a camp.

Speaker 2 (02:44:30):
At the weight Watchers camps because you know what, I
don't want you to fucking get fat here. I don't
want to see you get fat in front of my face.
You're gonna get finn somewhere else. What a fucking country?

Speaker 3 (02:44:46):
Huh? Jesus Christ?

Speaker 2 (02:44:49):
I mean that is without it? I mean, can you imagine,
like I mean, like a ten year old child?

Speaker 3 (02:44:56):
Look, I mean, what do you want to be a
fat loser?

Speaker 2 (02:44:59):
What do you you want to Listen? Do you want
to be a fat count? Is that what you want
to be?

Speaker 3 (02:45:05):
Don't you understand that?

Speaker 2 (02:45:07):
Your mom?

Speaker 3 (02:45:10):
Don't you understand that if you're not skinny. It's just
a non starter. No matter what it is you want
to do.

Speaker 2 (02:45:14):
Listen, you're not going to get anything you want if
you're not skinny.

Speaker 3 (02:45:18):
Oh by the way, even if you are skinny, you
also will not get anything you want.

Speaker 2 (02:45:22):
We'll leave that out if you're if you're too skinny,
you're still not going to get anything, with the exception
of the right type of skinny.

Speaker 3 (02:45:27):
The exception of maybe some dick.

Speaker 2 (02:45:29):
Yeah right there.

Speaker 3 (02:45:30):
You wonder why the fact girls get the dick too.

Speaker 2 (02:45:34):
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(02:46:13):
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North Carolina, Florida, Wisconsin, Texas, Colorado, Santa Barbara, California, Washington,
plus all girls camps Pennsylvania and California. This sounds like
a bunch of bad shit happening time. Oh yeah, this

(02:46:35):
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have it all, great friends, a wonderful community, loving parents,
but she has difficulty keeping her hands out of the
cookie jar, and lately her waistline has been getting a
bit stretched.

Speaker 2 (02:46:52):
If you take your hands and you grab her sides,
you can wiggle it about and realize, you know what,
there is more than we want here.

Speaker 3 (02:47:02):
At first land, Susan appears to have everything, but she's
not twenty pounds light or therefore her life isn't worth living.
That's where this camp comes in. But before you contempt suicide,
contemplate suicide rather like Jesus Christ.

Speaker 2 (02:47:20):
I have never I have never heard of this. I've
never seen it there in WWF magazine. Absolutely mortifying. You're
fucking you're readers. Basically you're readers. You're telling them get
the fuck out of here. You're fat. Unbelievable.

Speaker 3 (02:47:36):
So Tony Altamari, he says, Vince put him in a
resting camp in Orange, Connecticut, and he was there for
like four or five months. He said he wanted to
be there longer, but Vince wanted another strong man right
away because Ken Peterra got locked up.

Speaker 2 (02:47:49):
Remember that.

Speaker 3 (02:47:51):
Tared to go to jail for the whole Wisconsin thing
after he came to work for WWF. You noticed, Ken
Peterra is someone who's disappeared from these Colsseum home videos,
despite fact a factoring in pretty prominently when we first
started the Colisseum collection.

Speaker 2 (02:48:03):
And he's got one coming up too on misuri own.

Speaker 3 (02:48:05):
That's right, he's sort of trying to revitalize interest in
him after he got out of the clink. So yeah,
that was part of why, accorded to Ted Arciti, that
he was brought up all still so very green, was
because they sort of had this roster spot for a
big power man and he fitted perfectly. He wanted to
do another two months in the camp, he told the
two man power trip, but no, we want we need
it now, and they got it now. It's not like

(02:48:27):
you know, Ted didn't. It's not like Ted came away unscathed.

Speaker 2 (02:48:32):
I mean, I don't know.

Speaker 3 (02:48:34):
Both shoulders replaced, both knees replaced, hip replaced. I mean,
it's fine. I'm sure it was worth it. I'm sure
most of that was from the fucking riggers of weightlifting
as much as it was the riggers of bumping in
the ring, because he wasn't doing a lot of bumping.
He did a lot of acting too, So I don't
want to steal too much of your thunder. I'm sure
at some point there will be an under the cinemat
that qualifies. Because Ted arcd features in the movie Summer.

Speaker 2 (02:48:56):
There are some and you know what I mean of
all the ones, there's a there's a doozy for for
us because we have the town and the fighter to
to fucking Massachusetts doozies and actually, you know the fighter. Actually,
I've got some fucking actually have I have legit stories
because in that movie I didn't know he's in the

(02:49:21):
fighter because my dad knew the legit, the real the
gey who trained them not was it I forget? We
knew who hold on.

Speaker 3 (02:49:38):
He Wards, the boxer the movie is about.

Speaker 2 (02:49:41):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, he knew the guy who was he
Wards trainer, the trainer in the movie. He went to
high school. He went to high school because he's a
real he's a real you know, he was a real boxer.
The guy. Let's see if I can fucking remember the name.

(02:50:05):
It's been looking at it now. I don't know, I
don't remember which what his part was, but yeah, he's
got a significant part of the movie. Yeah, and uh yeah,
my dad can't damn tremendous good good good.

Speaker 3 (02:50:16):
I cannot stand him so good. So you're a wicky o'keef,
Mickey o'keef, Mickey o'kee. So you're aware of tedror CD's Hollywood, Yeah,
a little bit, did you tell me?

Speaker 2 (02:50:28):
Yeah? Oh yeah, yes, oh yes, oh yes.

Speaker 3 (02:50:32):
But he comes with the truth here about anybody who
he shared the ring with in the wrestling circuit with,
who has a single bit of complaint about any way
that Vince ever treated them.

Speaker 8 (02:50:41):
You know, these guys put the ship in their nose,
they took the ship in their arms, they took all
the stuff, and they made themselves go crazy. It's not
Vince's fault. And I still think half of these things,
and it's been going on since the nineties. I think
a lot of this is this false claims. You know,
they just going after the guy because they that jealous,

(02:51:03):
and I think that's sad, and I would I would,
I would never do that, Never do that.

Speaker 10 (02:51:08):
They should be.

Speaker 8 (02:51:09):
Thankful because if they weren't put in a position where
they all became superstars literally overnight with DV, you know,
they'd be fucking Johnny, they'd beat they'd be fucking Jim Rats.

Speaker 10 (02:51:20):
Now they'd be dead Jim Rats, that's all.

Speaker 2 (02:51:21):
They'd be dead Jim Rats.

Speaker 3 (02:51:24):
Well a lot of them are there half away there right. Well,
one guy who did our CD uh uh, you know,
got into the Jim Rat world who didn't end up
meeting that fate though he came kind of close. For
a reason you won't believe, did Ar Cit believes was
none other than who I mean, we're thinking New Hampshire, right,
guess who He got into the business.

Speaker 10 (02:51:44):
Story on Paul because he was from nashaua.

Speaker 8 (02:51:47):
Here in Manchester having my our CD Strength System invite
him in supplement line that was advertising Joe Wheder's magazine.
He was helping me with that line, helping me work
in the store, helping me with the women's gym. Fucking
kid was a great promoter, but he could he knows business.

(02:52:08):
He really helped out my business as Paul and I
always give him praise for that.

Speaker 10 (02:52:12):
And then when he was making it and wrestling.

Speaker 8 (02:52:15):
It's like, Wow, he deserves everything he's got coming because
he's a fucking worker.

Speaker 10 (02:52:19):
And I like to think that I helped him with
a stiff people. I got him fucked up and stuff,
which is good.

Speaker 2 (02:52:24):
So how did you meet him? Like, originally he just
came up to me, people came up to you.

Speaker 8 (02:52:28):
Okay, yeah, he was like, I don't know, just maybe
twenty one twenty and I was training at Golds and
we befriended each other and then he come up. He
came up to visit me all the time at my
store and my mail order, and uh, I got him
to model some of the stuff, the shirts and stuff
that we had in our catalog and he'd work in

(02:52:50):
the store and then with the women's gym because he's
really good at like promoting, because he was part of
a Golds gym, and he got me into the marketing
aspect of what Gold's Gym was for my woman's gym,
and the EFTs, the automatic withdrawals, the fish bowls to
get more people interested in your gym, the tours, the

(02:53:12):
TV things.

Speaker 10 (02:53:13):
He set that up. He helped me get connected with that.

Speaker 8 (02:53:16):
So he really really expounded my customer base because he
knew so much.

Speaker 10 (02:53:21):
He's a businessman. He was a businessman back then.

Speaker 8 (02:53:24):
He promoted all the bodybuilding shows around here in New Hampshire.
That was Paul and he was a great bodybuilder himself.
But when he started putting on the weight and stuff,
he wanted to get into the wrestling and I turned
him unto Kowalski in Boston because that was a normal
thing to do.

Speaker 10 (02:53:38):
I knew Walter from before.

Speaker 8 (02:53:40):
And off like a fucking rocket and like he's got
everything coming here. He deserves everything coming his way because
he paid his notes and I think he might have
gotten that from me with the diligence of training had
going beyond just because you're going to work another hour
harder than the other guy somewhere in the world of

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the guy's going to try to beat you.

Speaker 10 (02:54:01):
And he kept that genre in his head that I told.

Speaker 8 (02:54:03):
Him, and uh, I think it worked out good because
he put that into wrestling too. So yeah, he's he's great.
I still think though he shouldn't have taken that COVID shot.

Speaker 3 (02:54:15):
Well in there, I still think you should have got
COVID shot shot.

Speaker 2 (02:54:25):
It took off like a fuck out of rocket. And
so triple A. He is a great promoter, He's a
great polet comes to be right, I mean thanks, that's
absolutely thanks to.

Speaker 3 (02:54:36):
The tednar City that you see featured front and center
so very prominently in the Best of the World Wrestling
Federation Volume eight.

Speaker 2 (02:54:43):
And I think we're.

Speaker 3 (02:54:44):
Grateful to say that despite you know, teddor City's a
diagnosis for so many of his fellow wrestlers that ended
up in an early grave and Jim Rats dead Jim
Rats as he put it. Uh, we have the death
toll for the Best of the WB following you made.
It does not include mister Rci.

Speaker 2 (02:55:02):
It does not. We have twenty two, however, who are
included on the death toll gene Oakerland, Gorilla, Monsoon, Lord,
Alfred Hayes, Howard Finkel, Jim Knighthart, Moondog Rex, the Junkyard,
Dog King, Kong, Abundance, Bobbins, Heenan, Harlan's Race, Lennon's Pofo,

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John Studd, Bruno, San Martino, Rick Hunter, Freddie Blassant's, Hercules,
Hernandez Cousin, Junior, Pedro Morales, Adrian Adonis, Lou Albano, Paul Christy,
and Pat Patterson.

Speaker 3 (02:55:52):
Rest in Pea, Saul, especially King Kong abundance. As I
think you said, Indeed, on the other side of this break,
it is the deep dive. As the Colosseum collection continues
this trifecta of shows updating the journey here and before
we take a pause on the collection, we're going to

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dive one more time, deep into the crates, deep into
the crackle of that VHS on the other side.

Speaker 2 (02:56:20):
Don't go anywhere.