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Speaker 1 (00:01):
It's the Lapsed Fan Wrestling podcast with Jack and carn
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Speaker 2 (00:09):
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classic pose.
Speaker 3 (01:02):
It was twenty twelve, about thirty years after Hultonmania first
began running Wild that Hulk Hogan found himself in a
sidebar conversation at a PR event for the aka VISALSS Sciences.
It was a cultish meal replacement multi level marketing company
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that went bankrupt amid racketeering and pyramid scheme allegations and
hit with a nearly one billion dollar jury judgment for
unlawful telemarketing. What Hogan had made an appearance for Visalis
in Cincinnati, where, according to a press release, he got
on stage and affirmed Visalis Viceless is the real deal.
He said he'd been using the gluten free protein shakes
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and other products and praised the abundance quote unquote.
Speaker 6 (01:48):
He's been using. But was he abusing?
Speaker 3 (01:50):
Uh?
Speaker 7 (01:50):
Huh?
Speaker 3 (01:51):
Was the question? Never abused? The abundance people are living
by promoting the visaliss body by y ninety day challenge
of prey train and take your v Shake. While the
camera was on Hulk during this sidebar conversation in his
purple bandana and purple T shirt with a silver cross
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hanging over the two men he was speaking to. Two
conspicuously tanned and white teethed men seemed more cognizant than
even Hogan was that they were being filmed in this
little how wow, this little group conversation. As piano music
played in the background, he started to realize that Hulk
Hogan was trying to put these two guys on game,
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and listeners of our tn H series from years past
might remember this scene. We're going to replay it here.
Speaker 8 (02:45):
And I've read something in his books the same thing.
I've made it a dollars, but I've never made it
to work your ass answer really generating revenue.
Speaker 3 (02:58):
Yeah, this is als where you're gonna change ORF.
Speaker 8 (03:02):
Because you know runny doesn't you know, make it happy.
But the mix things easier, you know, it makes it
easier to move through what we.
Speaker 4 (03:09):
Have to do. And this is a lot more listing.
Speaker 8 (03:12):
At the time, I'm going to like you guys are doing,
you know that kind of to tell you you guys
have better than anybody.
Speaker 4 (03:17):
But yeah, this is one of those deals, man, It's
for real. I mean everything has a run in life.
Speaker 8 (03:22):
You know, some guys you've been wrestling, guys, it's like
stone pulls to loss, but you have like a four
or five year arter. You know, I've had a thirty
year run on top. And everything in life has a run.
It's to be married for six months and be married
for sixty years depends on how well you run. Is
well this company is going to have a run too,
And the run can be ten years, run, it can
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be one hundred and fifty years.
Speaker 4 (03:46):
And these guys are for real. So you know, that's
why I want to be part it, because they're going
to help the run.
Speaker 3 (03:51):
Here they're on, you know, they're on. It's at this point,
it's at this exact point what Hulk is going on
about how this company will have a run of certain tenure.
Jesus Christ that one of the parties is it a
run on the bank, that one of the parties to
this conversation turns right to the camera. At this point,
(04:16):
Hulk looks into the camera that that guy just turned
around and looked at h and it's like someone, I.
Speaker 6 (04:21):
Don't remember this at all. I don't remember talking about
this at all.
Speaker 3 (04:23):
Is one of a million stupid endorsements he got involved
with during the TNA t n H days. It's like
someone Halt suddenly looks like someone who realizes that what
he thought was genuine inter interest from just another couple
of marks that were being regaled by his shtick was
apparently just a little bit for these cameras so they
could get some sound bites for this company. It's a
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profound role reversal. One would think for a pro wrestler
who not only reached the heights of heights as a
box office attraction, whose likeliness, whose likeness as well and
his aura was plastered across lunchboxes and cartoons and action
figures in every conceivable vein and the body of the
American consumer, A man who could sell anything but here,
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and for the second half of his life that followed,
didn't feel like Kul Coogan was selling anything, felt like
he was for sale.
Speaker 4 (05:15):
Mm.
Speaker 3 (05:16):
Hulk looks into the camera at this moment, right after
that guy says that's a rap, as if we got
what we needed out of you, Hulk, and he almost
looks like someone who forgot he was being filmed, maybe
never even knew he was being filmed, and kicks into
that gear to pull the curtain right over. Perhaps that
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fleeting glimpse we got of Hulk when the cameras are
not on him, which as we know, was incredibly rare. Indeed,
(05:58):
turn that thing off it if only we could, if
only he could of all the richness in that clip,
which is hidden in a corner of YouTube with very
few views. Perhaps the choicest nugget is what Hulk said
about life when he thinks no one is listening. Everything
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has a run in life. From bass player and a
hippie band to wrestling circuits in Florida, Alabama, Atlanta, Memphis, Montreal, Tokyo,
New York, to movie sets and courtrooms and boardrooms and
themed bars and grills. Hulk Hogan had more runs than
most and didn't feel like he was done when he
passed away in July twenty fourth of this year, a
couple of weeks before what would have been his seventy
(06:44):
second birthday. You could say the run while he was
running wild and therefore, Boss, as children of Hulcmania, so
shall we. Everything has a run in life. This is
the story of Hulk Hogan's. Welcome to the Complete Hulk Cogan,
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that we have to talk about, so much that we
have to learn about Hull Cogan, and it's it's finally time.
It's finally time to just turn the whole kitten kaboodle
over to Hull Cogan. I feel like, you know, we
were always living in a place of what's going to
be the next Hogan show in between us?
Speaker 6 (08:17):
Yes, exactly, That's good the kind of it, Like you
know that there would come times where it's like, well,
you know, we haven't done a Hogan show in a while.
You know that that was always the case. I always
feel that, like, you know, we haven't done something Hulkgan
in a while, because that's the true north mm hm.
It really is as much as people, as much as
people want to say otherwise, they're there. You know, you
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can you can talk about you know, like John Cena
being you know, certain people's Hull Hogan's you can talk
about Austin being uh, you know, the greatest uh uh
money maker at times. And you can talk about all
these guys, you can know about the Rock being this, this, this,
cross this cross cross cross, medium, you no piece of shit.
(09:03):
But the thing is, none of it, none of it
would have mattered, None of it would have been possible
without Hulk Hogan because Hulk did it all in the
wrestling ring. Yes, as big as all those other folks were,
with the exception of Steve Austin, in fairness, they all
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became larger than life cultural figures because of what they
did after they left the wrestling business. Hulk only did
a number on what he had come to mean in
the wrestling business by trying to do Hollywood.
Speaker 3 (09:35):
It was it was. It was not additive, it was subtractive. Yes,
Hulk Hogan as a pro wrestler was just perfect. Yes, Yes,
you brought forward everything pro wrestling could be, above and
beyond them making a real fight to get gamblers to
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try to put money on who is going to win.
Speaker 6 (09:58):
And you can and you can talk about, you know,
his the crappy periods and stuff like that, but you
know what, it's still even his, you know, his reign
of terror in WCW in the in the mid nineties.
Speaker 3 (10:12):
But you know it's.
Speaker 6 (10:14):
It's still Is the Hulk still wrestling? Yeah, right, still
doing it? Is hul Cogan still there? You know that
That was the question too when you when when we
were kids, is hul Cogan? My mom fucking asked if
hul Cogan still wrestles?
Speaker 3 (10:31):
You know what else they used to ask if they
were sort of aware that Hulk wasn't wrestling anymore, they
used to ask us, is hul Cogan still alive? Mmmm?
That answer has changed in the year of our Lord
twenty twenty five, indeed. And so here we are coming
off a smashing success in Times Square in New York.
It all feels like it's happening at a very appropriate time.
(10:53):
As we held a candle light vigil at Comedy Village
in Times Square with several of our closest Solar System members,
folks from across the Solar System offering words of parting
sentiment to the Hulkster, including none other than Lapsed Vince,
who couldn't help but conclude, thank you for the memories,
thank you for the inspiration, and fuck you for Hulcymania,
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because to hear lapsed. Vince tell it. It was never
the same after Hulk Hogan left him. It was never
the same after the child of their love, Hulkmania, was
torn asunder and brought into a stepfather's household in the
form of Ted Turner, Eric Bischoff, slot In, whoever you
want on that side of the equation. And Yeah, as
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he's sitting there assessing his smashed Bentley, he thinks of
Nick and he thinks of Hulk too, of course, and
all that, all that had happened, and how they would
never ride again. Sure, we're going to get there, We're
going to get everywhere. We're going to touch on Hulk
Hogan's entire life and his career level of detail that's
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never been done before. I mean, if it's been done,
I missed it, and it certainly hasn't been done in
audio form.
Speaker 6 (12:07):
I'm gonna I'm gonna tell you right now, there's stuff
that people don't know. Okay, that's what I'm gonna say
right now.
Speaker 3 (12:24):
Stuff I don't know that you know. Yeah, Yeah, that's
the that's the truth. Because say what you will about
our past journeys, this is probably this is probably the
first one where the boss Man has also got his
research chops up as well, thanks to Wonder the cinemat
It's true and the role reversal, and knows how to
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turn over some rocks in his own right and rest
assured to keep the magic alive that's kept the cast
pumping for over ten years. We're not putting our heads
together in our findings until we're recording, until we're a
live pal and the spirit of the halt start. Let's
call it in the ring. You're damn right in surprise
each other, just as we surprise the Solar system with
what we may find, what we may uncover. And it's
so much I can already see it unfolding, as if
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somewhere deep in the distance, you know, I can see
it on the horizon. The places will be going, the
myths we'll be calling into question and correcting, the laying
the eyes on Hulk Hogan before he was hul Cogan
but still was a pro wrestler. I mean he was
Hulk Cogan, but in name, but not in stature, if
you know what I mean. Yes, he was third from
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the top, second from the top, maybe even a curtain jerker.
What is hul Covid looking feel like?
Speaker 4 (13:33):
Then?
Speaker 3 (13:34):
What can we learn about those moments that never would
have been appropriate to necessarily put on the table for
the TLF format. But in those territories as he's developing
his idea of who he's going to be and how
he's going to sound, and how he's going to move
in the ring and indeed in life, we're going to
get it all. We're going to paint the complete picture.
It's called the Complete Hulk Hogan for a reason. And
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if you sit there and really think about what that
title implies, that's an awful lot because not only is
he the biggest sort of phenomenon we've seen from a
box office perspective and sort of a cultural resonance perspective
in the pro wrestling world, particularly in this country, he's
also one of the most multifaceted and complex and strange
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human beings to ever walk the earth.
Speaker 6 (14:22):
I'm willing to say, okay, I'm willing to say only
because we've already we've already put so much of Hulk
Hogan out there that when all of a sudden done,
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this will be Hulk Hogan's legacy.
Speaker 3 (14:45):
That's correct, This will sit as the digest that people
go and refer to just as they do for the
history of World Class Championship Wrestling and the tragedy of
vun Erics, just as they do for the history of
the a w A and WrestleMania and star Cast. Starkaid
as well, I'm forever going to mix those two up
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just the way it's gonna be. Folks.
Speaker 6 (15:07):
I'm sure you're supposed to as well.
Speaker 3 (15:08):
I think that is that is by design, the Vince
McMahon steroid trial, and so so much more. We know
by now mm hmm it'll be there. You'll avail yourselves
of it. The honest ones among us will pay appropriate tribute.
The dishonest ones among us will pretend they knew it
all along, but that won't stop us from setting down
(15:29):
the record so that the big man upstairs can basically
edge into stone tablets. What it meant that Hulko can
walked this earth. And so we took that stage and
we felt that energy and we're we're riding that lightning
bolt that the solar system gave us when we presented
at Wrestlingia Weekend, SummerSlam Weekend in Times Square.
Speaker 6 (15:50):
I mean, that's what they treated it like. Anyway, It
was a Wrestlingia weekend. You're not you're not you're not
too off.
Speaker 3 (15:55):
What a fucking phenomenon that was. What a day, What
an afternoon. We truly took Manhattan. Tito Santana himself showed
up in the flesh right, that's right now, Fucking around, folks,
don't never say that we don't put your generous contributions
to us back into the cast because former w W
Intercontinental Champion in Hall of Fame er Tito Santana didn't
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show up for free, but man did he earn what
it was we paid him. This guy, like I said,
and you said too. You know, it's like this guy
makes you feel better about being a wrestling fan, even
just for an hour on a Sunday afternoon in New York.
Speaker 6 (16:30):
Absolutely so well he was. He was such a I mean,
you know, there's not many there's not many out there
that I feel we can say, you know, that's the
genuine article, you know, when it comes to being a
guy who recognizes, you know, his spot in the history
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of professional wrestling, who also knows where you know when
when his part is over, and he also knows that
he doesn't need to fucking k fabe all the time anymore. Right,
that he can kind of let loose, you can kind
of like pull back the curtain a little bit here.
Speaker 3 (17:09):
I say, he seemed rather kind of animated by the
idea that this was a comedy show in a comedy
club with fans of a wrestling comedy podcast, and he
could flex that muscle. He didn't have to worry for
a second about saying something that might ruin anyone's illusions
or anything. He just said whatever came to his mind,
and he killed He's a funny son of a bitch.
(17:31):
And like you said, Tito Santana fucked again. And yeah,
you can add the lapsed fan solar system to the
litany of folks that have fucked Tito Santana. That's for
damn damn right. So a tip of the cap to
Tito for sure, and to everyone that we saw there
in New York if you haven't seen it and aren't
(17:51):
aware of it. We did make available an audio recording
of our show at Comedy Village. We simply had to
with Tito showing up. I mean, we had to at
least capture that when he parts the curtain, and that's
available for a la carte purchase at Patreon dot com
Slash the Lapsed fans, So if you're at all intrigued,
do help support us and make it all sort of
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worth all the time and effort we put into putting
that together for folks by purchasing the audio and having
that forever more and taking it in. We're proud to
offer that it's also available if you're a part of
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Laps fan. So this might be the time to take
that particular plunge very quickly on programming notes because these
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will be sparse, you know. It's we're going to be
recording and big chunks of this thing. Ye and who
knows as far as how calendars might line up. A
reminder that the next live call for a Patreon folk
the Clash in Paris show that they're doing at the
end of the month, that's going to be on a delay.
I don't know how long of a delay really. There's
a ton of stuff that we have to figure out
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as far as women can sit down and record the thing.
So if you don't that on show day, be not alarmed.
Your co chairman are on the case and doing our
best to deliver for you Under the Cinemat. This is Yeah,
this is a fascinating moment for Under the Cinemat because
we find ourselves having done Hultkogan's entire filmography already, take
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us through at what are you thinking?
Speaker 6 (19:19):
Well, so I was, it's been no secret. I said,
you know, this is as good a time as ever
to do one that I've been holding off for a
special occasion, which is going back and looking at No
holds barred. And then I was looking at other stuff
and I was like, you know, we could I was
going to do that right away.
Speaker 3 (19:39):
And then.
Speaker 6 (19:41):
You know, I we started talking about some of the
television appearances and kind of how important those early ones were,
you know, the Saturday Night Live one and stuff, and
I was like, well that could be kind of interesting
and kind of including that. And then as I'm looking
through everything, there's also some stuff that you know, that
I didn't touch upon on cinema because it really it
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just wasn't it wasn't really part of it because it
was all TV. And I said, well, fuck, it's this.
It's going to be the complete Hull Cogan. It's gonna
be the complete Hull Cogan, and we're gonna do every
not every single television episode, but we are going to
cover every whatever's been missing basically is what I'm gonna do,
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whatever's been missing.
Speaker 3 (20:27):
From the small screen as well as the big Yeah.
Speaker 6 (20:30):
And I'm gonna do It's going to be in clumps.
So we're gonna as we as uh as we line
up certain years on the on the main show, I
will cut into whatever it is.
Speaker 4 (20:43):
What it.
Speaker 6 (20:44):
You know, Scary movie season may have to take a
you know, a little back seat for a week or
so so we can do you know, some whole cog
and stuff. Christmas movie season, same thing. So it's going
to be kind of the Wild West. It's gonna be
I'll tell you what it's gonna be, Once upon a
time in the West before the railroad.
Speaker 3 (21:00):
You know what it's gonna be like, Right, It's good
like WCW. But Hulk was there.
Speaker 6 (21:03):
Yeah, exactly right, exactly right.
Speaker 3 (21:05):
There's gonna be cinemat will. It's usually scheduled program when
Hulk Cogan is not on the building, but when Hulk
Hogan shows up, everything gets rewritten yep, to feature him
and to be to his liking. Okay, so he simply
steps to the forefront and says that's all cute what
you got going on here, brother, appreciate your hard work.
Speaker 6 (21:23):
But and and we're going all the way up to
the most recent stuff. Okay, like no no stone unturned.
Speaker 3 (21:30):
So now you said not every television episode. I want
to get people properly. You're saying not every episode of
Thunder and Paradise exactly.
Speaker 6 (21:37):
Yeah, I'm not gonna We'll talk about the whole series,
but I'm not gonna sit down and watch twenty two
episodes of Thunder and Paradise.
Speaker 3 (21:42):
You're gonna what maybe select ones there are?
Speaker 6 (21:45):
Well, I figured, you know, we've done We've done the pilot,
two parter, and I figure, hey, fuck it, let's just
do the last one. We'll do we'll do the finale,
maybe another one in between. You there's something else there,
cause I know that there were there were like three
like VHS releases that were treated as movies, So you know,
maybe we'll do that.
Speaker 3 (22:05):
A ton of sense to do those one of them.
Speaker 6 (22:06):
One of them was like we could. I mean, because
they're only ninety minutes, we could probably do both in
like one sitting. So I'm it's gonna be it's gonna
be touch and go. We're gonna just kind of see
how it's gonna be. It's gonna be a piece of
jazz music. That's what's so exciting, evolve as we go.
Speaker 3 (22:25):
That's part of what's so liberating about doing this because
it's like, yeah, we don't we don't have to sweat
the possibility that people are like, Okay, that's enough, Hulk Cogan,
because the shows and the pay per views and the
live events that we're gonna cover talk about occasionally pause
to deep dive in traditional t left format are like
eighty percent shows people have been begging us to do
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for years anyway, exactly because when we get to you know,
Hull Coke and pay per views, like you know, the
first Survivor series or whatever it might be, we're gonna
deep dive that show and treat it just as we
would before the whole co Con tribute, you know, so
it won't seem like, hopefully, if it comes off the
way we're visioning it, such a great break in the
continuum of the show, we're just gonna, you know, take
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our pit stop. We're gonna pull off to the side
of the road, and the big pay per views are
the big events that we're gonna deep dive in traditional format.
That's us catching lodging for the night. Okay, exactly, we're
coming off the road and we're finding a place to
rest our heads and take a little, uh, take a
little break from the the eighty miles an hour. So
we're excited for this and you should be excited for
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it too, and you can trust that as we go,
we're going to continue. And I loved the amount of
stuff that's been pouring in so far at the lapsed
fan at gmail dot com, your sort of sense of
where we should be taking those pit stops, what things
we should hit, and what I've really liked about what
I've been hearing so far is not just top ten
Hull Cogan shows that you need to deep dive, which
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are great be called for and are very very handy,
and we'll almost certainly be able to honor just about
every single one of those because in most cases it
completely aligns with where we would have gone anyway instinctually.
But also people saying, hey, when you get to this point,
here's a document. When you get to this point, here's
a clip from a TV show. When you get to
this point, here's something from a newspaper, or here's something
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from a series of match results that you wouldn't otherwise
know to note that I really would love to see
you note you know, be the wiki for us here
as well, because his hardcore as were going to be.
The Thing with Hogan is there's these little moments. You know,
he said it, you know people said it about him,
But goddamn is it hard to run down that source
(24:33):
material sometimes because he said it absolutely in some four
hour WW documentary he's a fifteen second moment. How long
it took me to find the time that he claimed
to wrestle in front of one hundred thousand people at
the Buddhacan, Like what what dvd that could have conceivably
possibly been? But he's been involved in so much stuff
that isn't just Hult Cogan based. He's he's been a
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talking head and so many different pieces over the years
on so many different networks, and we've covered so much
of it already. But my god, is this a chance
to touch up the loose end, tie up the loose ends,
touch up here, touch up there, and in certain cases
just build homes. You know, It's it's serious business. And
in in typical TLF fashion. We're not going to stop
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till we're finished. And you're damn fucking right. So if
you are so inclined to join us on the Eptier
and above uh, to get under the cinemat, do know
that that is on the agenda in terms of cross
pollination with the complete absolute Hulk Hogan wressele Mamia. Of
course we'll keep rolling wild, yes, wrestle mom, keep rolling.
(25:38):
Sure there's some Hulk Hogan ones in there too that
are just going to drop serendipitously as we go. Yeah,
I'm sure that they will. You know, that's the same
type of thing.
Speaker 6 (25:46):
You know, every now and again, as I'm recording matches
with with Mama Sorrow, I'm always you know, we haven't
done Hulk Hogan match in a while, sure, and I do.
I do always enjoy her different variations of like her
her opinion of Hulk Hogan's. Sometimes it's very positive. Sometimes
she thinks he's a punk, and I'm fine with that
and I want that and I need that. So that's
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you know, it's there. It'll be there, boss, It'll be there.
Speaker 3 (26:13):
Hey boss, mm hmm. She spent some time in some
ancestry records. I did how are we gonna learn about
Pete and Ruth Bolea?
Speaker 6 (26:23):
Oh, I thought maybe we would go back a little
bit further.
Speaker 3 (26:26):
This episode one of the complete Hull Cogan. Is this
the birth of Terry Bolea.
Speaker 6 (26:39):
Let's go to Italy.
Speaker 3 (26:48):
It's not Pete, it's Pyotr p I O t R.
It's Beetro. That's what it is. Petro. Oh my god,
he's not Russian. He's not Pyotr. Yeah thro look at
him with his bald head. I mean, you got a
little bit of a taste of the ballets over the
years watching Hulk and wrestling, and we're about to go
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much more than a taste much good. You're gonna get
the the fine hint of oregano in the sauce. But
tod he didn't come to the ring to that the
real American Hulk code coming down to tell instead of
instead of giving Hulk the red orange dye to become
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the Irish Superman, then Senior could just give him Jet Black.
Speaker 6 (27:35):
That's right, exactly.
Speaker 3 (27:38):
How pro wrestling is that to begin with that, he's
he's a He's Italian through and through. He's got obviously
the the tanning ability of a Mediterranean through and through,
and he was supposed to be irish, I guess kind of.
Speaker 6 (27:54):
And also the blondness too, is so bizarre. I know
on top of that shock of blonde that comes from Amas,
that comes from the mom's side. Yeah, that comes from
that comes from the family moody.
Speaker 3 (28:05):
So the family moody. We'll get it, we'll get we'll
get to your stuff. Let me just set a little
bit of a table here to it, please, because this
this even fascinated me right out of the gate. Everyone
says that Hull Cogan was born in Augusta, Georgia. Yes, yes,
and he was. He was born in a hospital in Augusta, Georgia,
and he's claimed Georgian heritage as a result throughout the
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course of his life, particularly when he went to work
for Ted Turner. I think being played a clip during
our nineteen ninety four bash of The Beach Show where
he was on a CNN show and taking calls and
someone asked him if he was from Georgia and he
was proud to call himself a Georgia peach or whatever
the fuck he said, brother exactly, highly highly concerning. And
here's the thing. While he was born in Georgia, his
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parents weren't living in Georgia. That's just what the nearest
hospital was. Yes, Hulk Hogan into a trailer park in
South Carol. I knew South Carolina. I knew that, but
I did not know. I did not know was a
trailer park. I've always wandered over the years, how how
would a Vince McMahon and a Hulk Hogan, really a
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Vince McMahon and a Terry Boley really connect on the
level they seemed to throughout the eighties, you know, to
become much more than just you know, promoter and star,
but deep friends, close friends who would you know, hang
out together in check each other with steroids and like.
And then I thought, you know, what do they possibly
share in common? I mean, Vince, you know his he
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came from the sort of upper crust wrestling dynasty, and
he was mister New York and Hulk was mister blue
collar Tampa and you know, a humble abode with parents
of humble origins. And I thought to myself, wait a minute,
they were both born in trailer parks in the Carolina
MM When he talks about Vince being from the trailer park,
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Hulk was from the trailer park as well. That's right,
that's right. One of the key things from tn H.
Do you remember when he's sitting on the bed after
Bubba's wife blew his brains out. Yes, and he's sitting
there and he's confiding all kinds of things in this
pillow talk that was surreptitiously recorded and subsequently released as
part of all of the hoopla and lawsuits over the
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sex tape. What does he say to her in another
moment where he didn't realize he was being recorded, I'm
just a dumb country bumpkin. Yes, that's right, that's right.
And I always wondered like why, Like, I know, Tampa
can kind of be considered, but not really. I mean,
Tampa's a city. It's it's not backwoods. It's it's redneck,
but it's not. It's not what I would think of
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his country bumpkin. It's not country. Really. What's he talking about?
Speaker 4 (30:40):
Right?
Speaker 3 (30:40):
He's from a trailer park at least in this absolute
earliest days. I mean, it didn't want there long. I'm
not trying to say that Hull Hogan slash Terry Mouleya
had his formative experiences, you know, in a in a
setting like where Randy the Ram lives. Okay, but I
am saying that that was the context in which he was.
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And we have we have fleeting but fascinating references in
the archives to a certain Terry Jean Boulea coming into
this earth. This from the Aigen Standard newspaper in Acin,
South Carolina, Friday, August fourteenth, nineteen fifty three, a small
blurb Mister and missus Pete Bolea Savannah Grove Park announced
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the birth of a ten pound and six out son
born August eleventh at Saint Joseph's Hospital, Augusta, Georgia. Later
it says the Peter Boleys announced the birth of a
son on August tenth. They have named the young lad
Terry Jean. It's just there, It's just sitting there in
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the newspaper archives of this completely obscure publication in Agan,
South Carolina, that hult Cogan has come into the world.
And I live for stuff like this. I live for
looking upon the record of someone before anyone gave a
shit about them.
Speaker 6 (31:58):
You know That's I I agree tenfold, Like that is
the most important shit right there, Okay, the most important shit.
Get that glimpse of people not realizing Savannah Role apparently
was quite a little community. I have here that they
they had a barbecue around this time and Savannah Grove
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Park guests came to the barbecue, which was given by
Union Local one fifty for fitters and plumbers. Attendees included
several folks from from that community. And as we're about
to learn, Peter Bolea was a proud plumber. He helped
install water systems for commercial developments after he did it
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as part of a US military mission that we're going
to get into. That's another thing. Okay, you want to
talk about trailer parks and how he shares that in
common with Vince. Yes, I'm here to tell you, Boss,
Dusty Rhodes.
Speaker 3 (32:56):
Isn't the only son of a plumber. Good fuck you gotcha? Gotcha?
Getting all this shit for Hey, you have to up
your game. You're gonna have to dig deep. We have
to see what.
Speaker 6 (33:08):
Well I'm trying to get the chronological history here, and
you're jumping into shit right away. Well, you haven't gone
way back yet. We'll go back.
Speaker 3 (33:14):
We're starting with his birth, but we're going to go
back to where did Pete and Ruth come from in
the first place. No, no, no, no, no, we gotta go.
If we're going to do that, we gotta go further back.
Oh that's what I mean, keep going back until yeah,
we start with Jesus Christ, right pretty much. Actually we
go a little bit that ancient ancient Greece. Yes, the Hellenes.
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They were living in a trailer park that, according to
the newspapers, was apparently Savannah Grove Park, but later it
would be referred to as Pecan Grove Park, which is
I believe, a different park in the same general vicinity
there in Acon County. I would love to know why
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Ruth later would call it Pecan Grove when it was
maybe there was some kind of a stigma around being
from being from the other one being from a Savannah Grove,
but Savannah, Georgia. Interestingly as Hulks you know, home birthplace,
I should say, so close to South Carolina that I
don't even really know this relative to the geography down there,
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it's like it's all the same area, you know. It's
like it's like saying that Sid is from Arkansas, but
he's but he's from Memphis because it's right there. It's
like the right border. So it's it's It's not a
surprise at all that the Buleas would drive pregnant Ruth
in the throes of a delivery to a hospital in
Georgia as opposed to South Carolina when you look at
the when you look at the map. And apparently Peter
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worked for a time at the Savannah River plant there
in the area when they were living there, but would
soon move to Florida. This is August eleventh, nineteen fifty three,
the birth of Terry Bolea. Now before we, you know, know,
rewind the clock back to Adam and Eve's let's acquaint
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people who might you know not have joined us on
these particular moments over the course of the cast where
we got to know Peter and Ruth Bolea. Here they
are in nineteen eighty four. This is after Hulk Cogan
defeats the Iron Chic to become WWF champion and Madison
Square Garden for the first time, launching the WWF ulcamania
that so characterizes him and us as fans and why
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we're here, and a post match, of course, in the
locker room of the garden, folks are pouring bottles of
champagne on Hulk Cogn's head, including Avian Putsky and Andrew
the Giant, and then subsequently Hulk Hogan is joined by
his parents, who we see, to my knowledge, for the
first time on a television screen in pro wrestling.
Speaker 6 (35:45):
Oh yeah, I'm pretty sure. I don't think I've ever
seen them anywhere else.
Speaker 3 (35:49):
Let's get a look and a listen.
Speaker 9 (35:50):
The party has not that many swan iota. I want
to make an introduce in production up by me, Ruth
and Pete Hogan, the parents of the incredible Hulk O
good here celebrating. I'm gonna get your mom first.
Speaker 3 (36:02):
Excuse me.
Speaker 9 (36:03):
What are your thoughts right now, missus Hogan, your son
the new world Champion.
Speaker 2 (36:08):
I'm so excited.
Speaker 3 (36:09):
I don't know what to say, except I know my
son is dedicated.
Speaker 10 (36:12):
I tell you he's been wonderful for the sport, and
the sport's wonderful to him.
Speaker 9 (36:16):
But I'll tell you I don't think he could have
got to where he got tonight in front of this
packed house at Madison Square Garden with our parents, Pete
and all, you beleeving just about as hard as I am.
You didn't get any champagne on you though, yet. Yeah,
what about your son the new World Wrestling Federation champion,
the consummate athlete.
Speaker 11 (36:35):
Well, we're very proud of him, so very dedicated and real,
real professional.
Speaker 12 (36:42):
And you gotta be proud of a mom and dad,
you know me, Pete and Ruth, of the people that
trained me from the day I could, toddle Man and
another ones that's sent me and made these twenty fourth playfofs.
This is Peach Belt in Roosevelt and we're gonna stand
behind it all the way. Daddy, it's USA in holl Comania.
Speaker 4 (36:57):
Run a while.
Speaker 1 (37:00):
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need their candy.
Speaker 2 (37:35):
It's the Lapsed Fan. He's a lapsed fan wrestling podcast
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with Jack and carn.
Speaker 3 (38:16):
Brother. I was just so fascinated by that, Like what
what would it makes some sense? But why would he
put his parents on TV? I guess it just makes
him the ultimate babyface. I guess we've never seen we've
never seen like Steve Austin's parents, or I guess we
already knew the Rocks parents, it doesn't really count, or
Triple H's parents or I don't know, or Flair's parents.
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It was an interesting, uh interesting choice. I would love
to have had the chance to ask Hulk, like, what
came into the decision to put them on TV? Did
you have any reticence about it?
Speaker 6 (38:49):
You know, it's true, it's a it's a fascinating thing.
Speaker 3 (38:53):
Why he uh why.
Speaker 4 (38:58):
Uh?
Speaker 6 (38:59):
Yeah? Why they did that?
Speaker 3 (39:00):
If he's like the superhero guy, he's supposed to be
like larger than life, this brings him way down earth
in a way that he never really revisited.
Speaker 4 (39:07):
You know.
Speaker 3 (39:07):
It's not like as he matured as WWF Superstar that
they kept calling back to him just being this.
Speaker 6 (39:13):
This kid for did they ever do the mothers? Was
she on the Mother's Day thing?
Speaker 11 (39:16):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (39:17):
She was around, She was she was in the room.
She didn't really say anything, but she was among the
cast of characters standing around on that Saturday Night's made event,
which we'll get to as well in terms of we've
already covered it, but you know, we'll we'll comment upon
Hulk relevant things anytime that there was a TV show,
anytime it was broadcast. We're going to do our damnedest
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to at least make note of it and take a
moment when something significant happened. And ten years later, when
it was time to rerun the playbook again, in WCW,
you better believe that Ruth and Pete Boulea showed up again,
only this time it was in the supposed childhood home,
or at least a home they had moved to that
was very humble and the walls were completely covered with
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frame four potographs of Hulk Cogan through all of his
wrestling exploits. But if Hulk is going to get the
people on the side again and run the playbook for
another ten years on WCW money, he's got to not
only slam giants and bring back giants and create giants
and hire fat people that he body slams, like Kamala
and John Tenta and all his buddies that ran with
him in that territory. But he also has to revisit
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the origin story and Pete and Ruth find themselves on
television once again.
Speaker 13 (40:27):
All right, fans, as way look to Halloween, Havoc, I
have an opportunity to visit, as I do periodically with
the parents. I'll the WCW Heavyweight Champion, a great lak
and I'm talking about his mom Ruth and his father Pete.
The last time that we talked publicly was probably five
or six years ago, but we have an opportunity to
visit from time to time, and I must say, folks,
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you look very good, Ruth, thank you. How are things
going right now at this point in your life?
Speaker 3 (40:52):
Very very well.
Speaker 14 (40:53):
What about the tremendous success of your son hul Cogan.
Speaker 10 (40:58):
We're very proud of him, Jane, I'll tell you what
comes sweet in life. Takes a lot of struggling to
achieve your goal, and Terry's shrew done that.
Speaker 14 (41:05):
Pete, what have you been up to the last few years?
Speaker 11 (41:08):
Well, I tell you it's lawyer Jahn. It keeps from
pretty Bay around home here and traveling over to the
condo and melt for it. And as a matter of fact,
I find that I have more than I can hardly handle.
Speaker 14 (41:29):
Well, I know better than that peak you can handle
just about anything. You and I visited. We have had
an opportunity out in the back to turn a car
to two.
Speaker 10 (41:36):
I have a little kids coming here all the time
looking for pictures, and they'll come up the door. You
missed this whole then, or you and they'll say, golly,
I can't believe that your son's a millionaire and you's
live in this little house.
Speaker 2 (41:49):
And I tell him.
Speaker 10 (41:50):
My son has brought us a beautiful condo. He's Keppert
and Cadillacs and Lincoln's sure, and so we're very pleased
with everything and very happy for his success.
Speaker 14 (42:01):
For your son, that's all important.
Speaker 11 (42:04):
It certainly does concern me. But I would like to
bring out one point I want you. I would like
y'all to know that my son is not a novice
at cage cage matches, and uh I naturally I'll be
very worried about him. I know that Direct plays a
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terrific athlete, but I believe, I believe my son will
be able to cope with everything that goes on in
that's field cage.
Speaker 13 (42:35):
Match and come out of win a ruth, I would
assume win. You take a look at your son going
into a cage to defend his title, putting his career
on the line. Perhaps a mother doesn't even want to
think about.
Speaker 4 (42:44):
Any of this.
Speaker 10 (42:46):
I get very nervous, very upset when I see Terry
going to the steel cage.
Speaker 14 (42:50):
You've seen what it is done to other participants in
the past.
Speaker 10 (42:55):
Yeah, I've seen him get hurt, and I worry about
my son getting hurt.
Speaker 14 (43:00):
Anybody getting hurt with those are mistakes.
Speaker 9 (43:02):
And that's right.
Speaker 3 (43:03):
I realized that.
Speaker 10 (43:04):
But I just have to think positive about the whole thing.
Speaker 14 (43:06):
And I've always tried to teach.
Speaker 3 (43:07):
Him to think, especially Friday nights.
Speaker 2 (43:09):
In my heart, I just feel it as the winner.
Speaker 14 (43:13):
I hope. And but as a matter of fact, I see,
I see the holster coming in here.
Speaker 10 (43:20):
Are good to see.
Speaker 4 (43:27):
How you doing?
Speaker 14 (43:28):
Coming back here with mom and Dad's got to bring
back a lot of great memories for you, hope.
Speaker 8 (43:34):
Well, you know, Gino, it does. But I'm here for
a different reason. You know, such base a lot, and
especially you know, when there's crucial times and my career
with my family, we get as close as we can.
And uh, with a situation at hand with Rick Flair
and Hulk Cogan's career on the line. One of the
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great things about this, this home where I grew up
and is I get a chance to come back and
touch base and make sure that the priorities that are
number one really.
Speaker 4 (44:02):
Come to the forefront. At a time like this, when
I think about growing.
Speaker 8 (44:06):
Up here and being fortunate enough to have my parents
experience my career and all the good times we've had,
sometimes I come back here just to steal a little energy,
you know, And I mean there's pictures on the wall
here when I first started, pictures when I started wrestling,
my first partner, my best friend.
Speaker 4 (44:25):
There's stuff from all the movies, from other members of
my family.
Speaker 14 (44:29):
All the television shows you've been on over the years.
Speaker 8 (44:31):
Yeah, we've got Johnny Carrs on the Wallbrook Shields back there,
cindyper all the people that.
Speaker 14 (44:35):
Is, Sylvester Stallone, Ursinio.
Speaker 13 (44:38):
I mean what career is absolutely second and all of
these so very present here in this modest little home.
Speaker 8 (44:48):
What's so great about it is, you know when you
come back and see all these pictures, and this is
the house I.
Speaker 4 (44:52):
Grew up, and I mean the bedroom back there, when
I got to be in the ninth grade, I got
to be so tall I had to get out of
the bed and sleep on the floor because my head
would touch one end.
Speaker 10 (45:01):
We put the mattress on the floor the line.
Speaker 4 (45:03):
But even the pictures in that room.
Speaker 8 (45:06):
I mean, I come back here, and I mean this
is where it all started, and I just like to
come back here, especially now with my crew online. And
there's a reason for fighting now.
Speaker 3 (45:17):
Amazing stuff. So there's Ruth making sure that people don't
think that she doesn't have Lincoln's people have They have
the condo and she put mattresses on the floor. Okay,
Terry didn't have to sleep on the fucking floor. She
put mattresses down for him and his brother. So that's
good to know.
Speaker 6 (45:34):
Hey, that's these are important things.
Speaker 3 (45:37):
Do you do you hear a little you here, a
little New England accent there on Pete? I heard a
dropped r Yeah, I and I know exactly why where
do we have to go to learn how Pete and
Ruth Blea ended up on that couch with me and
Jean and WCW.
Speaker 6 (45:59):
Well we have have to go to.
Speaker 3 (46:03):
Italy? Oh my god, Cigliano Italy. That's correct? Now, would
you like?
Speaker 6 (46:09):
Yeah, go ahead?
Speaker 3 (46:11):
Just to raise the stakes a little bit, yes, I
think it's important to know that what we're about to
tell you is not something that hul Cogan and the
WWF rushed to explain to interested members of the press
who wanted to cover not only, of course, the Hulk
Cogan and whole comedia phenomenon, but who Terry Boleya was
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and what his background is and where he came from.
Speaker 6 (46:34):
Much can you how can you talk about, you know,
being a blea when you're obviously an Irish Hogan.
Speaker 3 (46:40):
Did that might be part of it. Maybe he had
decided it was best if he wasn't a kid from
Tampa anymore with parents and something more akin to a
Marvel superhero, especially since Marvel was getting a little, uh,
a little bit of a little bit off the top
every time we use the name. But to add a
little more electricity to what you're about to outline, he
did emailiate something that I think puts a real fine
(47:02):
point on it. All Right, This is an article from
nineteen eighty nine and the Augusta Chronicle, a newspaper in Augusta, Georgia,
the birth city of the Holtster himself. And of course,
naturally would this guy becoming an international phenomenon and word
that he was born in Augusta. They want to learn more,
as the hometown paper, not just about hul Cogan, but
they want to know how it came to be. And
I just think this is so fascinating how they were
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both both parts, yeah, both parts. How they were regarding
how state media, so to speak, was to regard the
origin story of hul Coogan and how a lot of
what we're about to get into here in our very
first episode of the Complete hul Coogan is not something
wwf ever would have volunteered.
Speaker 6 (47:41):
He was on top, I imagine, I imagine that to
be the case.
Speaker 3 (47:45):
Give it to the people, and here we go.
Speaker 6 (47:50):
Hulk Hogan at home with wrestling. Fourteen years ago, Terry
Jean Blaya was playing bass guitar with a rock band
called Rocus at the Whippin' Post Nightclub on Broad Street.
This week, he returned to perform to a much larger
crowd a few blocks away at the Augusta, Richmond County
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Civic Center. This time, his appearance doesn't have anything to
do with music, and his name isn't Terry Blea worldwide
television nay, worldwide entertainment.
Speaker 3 (48:23):
Kind of like that worldwide yeah, federation television.
Speaker 6 (48:25):
We oh, worldwide federdainment.
Speaker 3 (48:29):
Yes, speaking of the congressman from Pennsylvania.
Speaker 6 (48:41):
Worldwide television and movie audiences now know the six foot eight,
three hundred pound mountain of muscles as Saturday Night main
event wrestling superstar Hulk Hogan. Very few fans or detractors
know Hogan's road to stardom actually began thirty six years
ago when he was born at Saint Jose Hospital in
Augusta on August eleventh, nineteen fifty three. This is the
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same person who brought who fought Sylvester Stallone in Rocky three,
protected rockstar Cindy Lauper as her bodyguard, and who urges
little Holkster to take vitamins, stay off drugs, and drink milk.
I've never heard him say drink milk. Drink your milk.
Speaker 3 (49:22):
No, I never heard that one. He was certainly ready
for that phone call from the Got Milk people, but
I'm sure, but I have never never once heard him
say that's not one of the demandments. Not at all.
Speaker 6 (49:34):
Okay, not at all. Let's not take your vitamins, believe
in Hulkogan and drink your milk. Doesn't work that way because.
Speaker 3 (49:42):
That'll get that. I mean, that's all dairy, brother, that'll
screw up your right sides. Dude, Well, you need to
be doing is burpin protein powdered deal.
Speaker 6 (49:49):
What are you gonna be doing? Do you got chugging
down those eggs?
Speaker 3 (49:51):
Brother?
Speaker 6 (49:52):
Right and hanging am bagging in the gym.
Speaker 3 (49:53):
You know what I'm saying, dude, right, say train prayer
vitamins and hanging bang in the gym, hanging bang in
the gym.
Speaker 6 (50:05):
Through the savvy merchandising promotion of the Worldlessing Entertainment, his
annual income has been estimated at roughly two point five
million dollars. He has become a one man hulk Mania
Entertainment I'm sorry what, No, he is not a one
man Hulkamania entertainment complex. That's the w WA in New York.
(50:25):
We are exactly. We are a sports and entertainment and
dining culinary culinary complex.
Speaker 3 (50:34):
Sports and entertainment and dining complex and culinary with innovative
chicken dishes. We believe in, we believe in. We believe
in innovating uh protein. I you can say that again,
Jesus Christ. How about uh.
Speaker 6 (50:55):
We believe in innovating protein in a way that provides
both nutritious and as well as sustaining savory flavor ship
anabolics qualities. Flavor ship qualities I mean.
Speaker 3 (51:19):
Probably are caviar n R brother NFR caviar. You heard
it here first, you fucking bitch, you fucking bitch.
Speaker 6 (51:36):
Oh shit, that's great. One man jo Comania Entertainment Complex
with his face on t shirts for twelve ninety five,
Teddy Bears for seventeen ninety five, video board games, video
board games, Yeah Right, thirty nine ninety five, Little Hulkster
Baby bibs for four ny five, and even greeting cards
four for a set of five. Last month, Hogan was
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in Europe wrestling and promoting his latest action movie, He's
late Action movie Okay, No holds Barred. Now, for the
first time since achieving fame and fortune, Hogan is returning
to his native city as the hometown boy who made good.
Attempts to arrange a telephone and this is where I
want you to listen closely. Go ahead, okay. Attempts to
arrange a telephone interview with Hogan aka Bala were nixed
(52:19):
by publicist at w W headquarters in Connecticut.
Speaker 3 (52:22):
Let's go. If you're gonna write anything about Hulk's personal
in early life, we won't set up the interview. Published
repeat with WWF publicist Steve planamenta big fucking Scamford thumbs
up for you, Marx, Steve. We're not gonna talk about
(52:42):
his past. He's got Italian roots. We're not talking Italian here.
He's brutal. We're not doing the Berlo Sanmartino. Bullshit, I
missed the chant Irish America. I missed the chance. I
missed the chance to name this episode Hull Cogan and
his idiotic Italian roots. Well, would that be the basil italion?
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Is that the basil on the porch or what?
Speaker 6 (53:09):
Okay? And don't fucking bring him Basil DeVito here? Okay?
Speaker 3 (53:14):
Oh, if you're going to write anything about Hulk's personal
early life, we won't. We won't set up the interview
and tell him if he wants to push it, we're
gonna fucking shoot.
Speaker 6 (53:24):
The bastard in the face.
Speaker 3 (53:30):
Thanks so much. Media relations. Indeed, how do you relate
to the media, Steve well by setting up by the way,
Steve Planamento, what classic? What the fuck is?
Speaker 6 (53:42):
Because he was like, we ever heard of him before?
Speaker 8 (53:44):
Yeah?
Speaker 10 (53:45):
We have?
Speaker 3 (53:45):
Okay. He was the spokesman the flat during all the
steroid controversies, all this shore and stuff. Oh yeah, he
was like, mister, this is that time period, this is
eighty nine. That's that right there in that and that
nitty gritty there, ye, mister, say you invited people to
the big symposium on steroids in New York and then
come to find out no one got the invite. So yeah, yeah,
(54:08):
he's mister He's the dark arts guy as far as
public publicity at the time. But the fact that they
set the preconditions you cannot interview Hulk Hogan if you're
gonna ask him about who he was growing up? What
kind of uh, what kind of rules of the road
is that? Mm hmm, I mean that that is just absurd.
(54:31):
This is a celebrity. Everybody wants to know what a
celebrity says about how he or she grew up and
where they came from. Everybody, especially the fucking Augusta Georgian newspaper.
I just, yes, I just when I read that, I
was like, that says so much about what Hulk Hogan
came to be, and not only his own mind, but
the WWF's mind and what he came to represent. He
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was he was as far away they wanted to get
him as far away from who he was as he
wanted to get far away from who he was. Yes,
what a precondition. That's the way it goes. So what
a dis intrepid reporter do about it? But his mother,
who lives in Tampa, Florida, was eager to brag about
her famous child. Oh he got all pissed and rang
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her up for him. Peter, Someone get down the Ruth
before she answers the phone, before she answers the phone back,
Come on, get down the cuy. Like Brian Blair gets
hired to do it. He's like screaming down the road
that like in a killer b mask at one hundred
eighty miles an hour, try to get to her out with.
Speaker 6 (55:33):
A fucking like with a fucking sniper rifle. Pop off
Pete and Ruth.
Speaker 3 (55:44):
What I love. What I love is that Brian Blair
doesn't think twice about it. Well, they just gave him
a number. He puts the fucking mask on. What I
love this planning. Meant to slams the phone down, and
it's nineteen, so of course it goes clinging when you
hit when you slam it down, because it's one of
those is it's a rotary phone cleaning. And as soon
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as he does it, he looks at Benson Vinsk go's
we got to get Ruth because he knows the next
thing this pissed off reporter is going to do is
try to get the story anyway.
Speaker 6 (56:13):
He knows well, he knows that there are.
Speaker 3 (56:17):
That there are.
Speaker 6 (56:21):
Like there are loose ends, right, he knows that there
are loose ends and that he has no control over
and so he has to get control over it.
Speaker 3 (56:28):
And the last thing he wants to do is tell
Ruth that like she could never talk about her family
and history because that would raise all kinds of suspicions.
Of course, so he's got to kind of quarree it
like it's not a big deal, kind of like how
they had were forced to play it when Wrestling with Shadows.
Cameras were backstage the night of Montreal. If we try
to stop them, then we're really giving up the ghost.
Speaker 6 (56:48):
Yes, yes, indeed. So what does Ruth have to say? Well,
Peter and Ruth Bella were living at Pecan Grove Trailer.
Speaker 3 (56:56):
Park Pecan Grove. Was it, Ruth? You sure wasn't Savannah grew?
Speaker 4 (57:00):
I don't know.
Speaker 6 (57:01):
Yeah, maybe she's just hungry. Maybe she was talking about
the camp pie and you know the guy. I just
heard that when their ten pounds seven ounce son was
born in Augusta. He was the youngest Blaya child and
the only one born in the United States. Two brothers
were born in the Panama Canal Zone.
Speaker 3 (57:19):
Peter. Quote.
Speaker 6 (57:20):
Peter and I were an eight and from nineteen fifty
two to nineteen fifty five, Missus Belaya said by telephone,
Peter was doing pipework at the Savannah River Plant. Missus
Bleia and her husband have warm memories of their years
living in the area. I left Augusta, Missus Blaiya said,
and I'm sure Terry's proud of being born there, and
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when he was in high school, when he was in
his high school band in Tampa, he used to tell
his friends he was in Augusta, Peach. He's certainly the
color of one. I don't believe he ever said that
once in his life. I don't think he ever. I
think she probably said that about it as Ruth a worker,
but yes, absolutely, listen, I believe that the moment he
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got in the business, Hulk had to train his parents
to work.
Speaker 3 (58:05):
I mean to hear Pete in those interviews with Geane
over ten years, he kind of sounds like he honestly
doesn't really know what to do, like he doesn't know
what tone to strike. Ruth seems very ready, she seems
very ready to I think I think she is always
ready to be there for her son. Thank you. Okay,
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that's what she's about. Pete fuck off? All right back
in the corner. You look like Peter Boyle. Despite his
bulk and brawn image. Missus Blaia said her Hulk is
a nice, warm person. All that business of his eyes
bulging and talk tough talk is just for the fans.
Oh the first time I heard him, doing someone get
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to her house?
Speaker 4 (58:50):
Please?
Speaker 3 (58:52):
Somehow he knows what she's saying. What damn it? Fucking ruth.
Speaker 6 (59:05):
Their faces like beat ready. It's like it's like Rumbled
in two thousand and five where you're throwing down. You know,
he's stopping everywhere. He's tearing quads left and right. Yes,
there was a time I darn of you. I told
my husband, I can't believe that's our son talking. After
leaving Augusta at the age of two. Hogan grew up
in Tampa and graduated in nineteen seventy one from Robinson
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High School. Interesting, that's very interesting. He studied business administration
at Hillsboro Junior College and majored in music at the
University of South Florida. He excelled at bowling and baseball. Bowling. Yeah,
that's good, gay to get those a's we got those
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real athletic chops right from his bowling skills. Yeah, that's
a sport. It's it is a sport, I understand. Should
it be a sport, that's a whole different kind of fucking.
It helped build up worm the punch motion, you know,
that's stuid point. That's a very good point downtown, right
when he did those kind of that the wind up
kind of it's like a vault for the right exactly.
Speaker 3 (01:00:14):
Somebody do a video of a bullyball flying out of
his hand when he does the wind up.
Speaker 6 (01:00:21):
He excelled at bowling and baseball before turning his attention
to weightlifting and music. He became bass player for the
band Ruckus, but still found time to watch wrestling matches
in town. Tampa. Wrestling promoters Jack and Jerry Briscoe had
seen ballet and audiences at their matches, but they didn't
pursue anything until encountering him playing in a nightclub called
(01:00:41):
the Other Place. I don't know about that one. I'll
see him in the audience, but I don't know where
he goes from there. I see him, he comes into
the he comes into the arena, but I don't know
where he goes after that. Come on, you don't know,
I don't know. I mean most people wouldn't know if
you're not if you don't know who he is there
(01:01:02):
Jerry and Jack Briscoe. Uh oh well, I don't know.
With help from instructor Hero Matsuta, they turned Blea into
the Lean I'm not Lean mean wrestling machine. WW president
Vince McMahon Senior, renamed Hulk Hogan. The rest is sports history,
(01:01:24):
entertainment history. Actually, but they.
Speaker 3 (01:01:26):
Didn't put that in there, did they. They did that
with me, you know, they did, Steve, Steve, they didn't
put the word in there. Can you can you do
me a favor? Can you go down there and kill
that man? And then I want you to take this
little slip of paper that's is entertainment on it and paste.
Speaker 6 (01:01:40):
It just to the newspaper, just paste it on each one.
You gotta paste on every single newspaper, sports or even printed.
So you gotta go in there and you gotta take
your fucking super glue and you gotta fucking put it
in there, every single one.
Speaker 3 (01:01:53):
And if you don't, I'm gonna fucking kill you. Gotta
find out where that the article's been syndicated, and you
gotta find every goddamn paper. You'll be syndicated soon or
you'll be taken out by a synt of kit. Is
that the end of the article? That's the end of
the I ask one thing of you before you dive in.
Can you read lent a Menace quote again?
Speaker 6 (01:02:19):
We fucking closed that ship. I'm gonna get there. I'm
not gonna love this go by here, hold on, I
was too fast. I was too fucking fast.
Speaker 3 (01:02:27):
Here we go. Steve says, if you're going to write
anything about Hulk's personal or early life, we won't shut
up the interview. What do you say, Boss, want to
get into his early life?
Speaker 4 (01:02:43):
I do.
Speaker 6 (01:02:44):
I want to go as you're saying. Sigliano is a
province in the province of vir Cli in the Italian
region of Piedmont, located about three hundred kilometers northeast of
Turin and about thirty kilometers west of Vergelous.
Speaker 3 (01:03:04):
Someone's always turned on hul Cogan.
Speaker 6 (01:03:06):
Mm hmm, that's I can go as far back as
Hulk Hogan's great great grandparents Tomaso Champa Tomaso and Terrece
Balley correct for generations. The family Blea lived in Sigliano, Italy.
Speaker 3 (01:03:33):
They didn't live in the mountains with Bruno's mom. No
they did not.
Speaker 6 (01:03:38):
They lived they I mean it is up north, up north,
uh you know, but no mountains, no mountains as far
as I know. And uh so there's you know, certainly
you know, doing doing my my ancestry work. It certainly
dies off around there. There's very little records except except
there's actually seems to be a a a little discrepancy
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into who the great great grandmother was. Was it this
Teresa or was it actually this Katarina who according to
an article in the Italian I don't know, I guess
newspaper or something, Las Sentinella that did a an article
on hul Cogan's Italian roots in December twenty two. They said, well,
(01:04:29):
so like all the all the the the the family
trees on ancestry have it as Tomaso and Katerina Buggiatto
as the grand as the great great grandparents, but this
article has Tomaso and Teresa Vigliano as the great great grandparents.
(01:04:49):
So I don't know, I'm gonna go with the article.
I trust them better than that, I trust them idiot
fucking family members. Yeah, because we don't all I don't
also know, you know, you never know which ones are
actually I don't know how if you've ever done these
ancestry things, and sometimes you find somebody in a tree,
but you realize that that person is on the outskirts
of what the tree actually is, so you don't really know,
(01:05:11):
you know that they're focused on that. But he Tamaso
and Terres had a son, and this would be It's
funny we talk about they talk often about Hogan's father
being Peter Junior. Yeah, not really, No, he's not Peter Junior.
He's Peter the third, Pietro Balz Senior born in Signiano
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in eighteen forty one. His Hogan's grandfather, Pietro Blair Junior,
born in April twenty ninth, eighteen eighty six, Signiano, Italy,
at the age of sixteen. The age of sixteen, Pietro Junior, PJ,
we'll call him. He's the first Ballee to track across
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the Atlantic and go to New York City.
Speaker 3 (01:06:00):
That's right, I do have.
Speaker 6 (01:06:02):
Let me see here. There are a number of pieces
of information that I have here, like little records of him.
I have, Uh, where is the that's the draft card.
I got all his draft cards, both World Wars. Ye
(01:06:24):
would help if I read his obituary. Uh no, I
just wanted to get I'm all fine with all that.
I just wanted to get him. I want to show
you his his the what do you call it?
Speaker 3 (01:06:34):
His immigration papers?
Speaker 6 (01:06:38):
You get immigration papers?
Speaker 4 (01:06:39):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (01:06:40):
Because I did find them. It's amazing.
Speaker 6 (01:06:42):
Oh here we are.
Speaker 3 (01:06:42):
I got it ready, and we're going to make efforts
as we go through the complete hull Kogan two, which
we don't always do, share the exhibits, the documentation and
our social media channel, yes, so that you can follow
along at home. If if there's anything that we talk
about while we're flowing here doing our jazz. As you
said that you would like to see a replication of
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on our social that we don't remember to post, just
let us know and we'll gladly share it. We want
this to be a visual experience as well to the degree.
Speaker 6 (01:07:12):
Of exactly uh we go it's come in. This is
uh his uh Peter Blea two's naturalization record from Connecticut.
Speaker 3 (01:07:30):
That's right? What are your intentions? One hundred and eighty
five pounds, black hair, brown eyes, brother what dark it
says dark complexion, right here.
Speaker 6 (01:07:38):
Dark that he's got. That that I that I can
definitely see is being Italian, no question, Oh totally. Hogan's
dark complexion is definitely very Italian.
Speaker 3 (01:07:47):
Occupation, it says employee.
Speaker 6 (01:07:49):
And yeah, he was he was well, he was a
he was a laborer.
Speaker 3 (01:07:56):
He was a laborer when he came over, residing in
New Haven, Yep.
Speaker 6 (01:08:01):
Yeah, that's where he even though they came in, they
came in on you know, Ellis Island the classic way.
They he quickly went up to to h He landed. Okay,
he landed in New York on March twenty fourth, nineteen
oh three. Yeah, that's when he arrived in the United States.
(01:08:22):
And by I'll tell you what the what they yes,
So this in that article that I mentioned before, this
is what they said. They actually talked about village elders. Okay,
they talked to village elders. Used to say that Pietro,
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his paternal grandfather, was a big strong man too, and
they say he was always ready to fight. Wow, if
any arguments arose about him, his strength was legendary. Get
that Pietro. Well, no, this would be Preetor junior. When
(01:09:07):
he was young and a wheel fell off his horse
drawn cart would replace it himself, pivoting with his back
and lifting the cart with his own strength until the
wheel snapped back into place. Good blood tells the truth.
That's where they fucking closed that off, Limp.
Speaker 3 (01:09:26):
Brother, say that one again for the people. It sings in.
Good blood tells a truth, And I think we can
also say good color tells the truth. Good good color
tells a myth. Actually blood tells tells the truth. The
Hulk Cogan story, you're damn fucking right for what it
is worth. And I won't give away any detail in
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terms of when and where. But Hulk did reflect on
his grandfather in his second book.
Speaker 6 (01:09:54):
Oh did he amazing? Okay? Great said he was even looked.
Speaker 3 (01:09:57):
There, said on those a case when I went up
to visit them, it was my grandfather who really fascinated me.
He was a farmer roller. Why am I doing this?
I think she should do this.
Speaker 6 (01:10:08):
That's true given to me. Let's get I'll get up
to the I'll tell you what cause I'm gonna get.
I will get to the farmer thing. So as you're
sending that to me, I'll say this. So in by
nineteen ten, he was living in Hartford, So I moved up.
So he kind of gradually moved up from New York
through New England. He was a highway laborer, yes, not
(01:10:31):
a high raver, not a highway robber, No, No, a laborer.
And then on October sixteen, nineteen eleven, Peter married Edith
Medora Noonan nicknamed Dora in Kingston, New York. And this occurred.
This occurred after the birth of their bastard child, Catherine Blea.
(01:10:56):
Thank you, on September twenty ninth, nineteen eleven.
Speaker 3 (01:10:59):
Correct, how do you right, bastard?
Speaker 6 (01:11:01):
Because she was born in September twenty ninth, and they
were and they married October sixteenth of the same fucking year.
Speaker 3 (01:11:06):
Got wrong? The dates wrong? Yeah, a lot of times
in those days, dude. When they recorded there was a delay.
Do you see the recording secretary was in Japan, so
she was a month ahead.
Speaker 6 (01:11:22):
Katherine, the bastard child.
Speaker 3 (01:11:24):
How about it? How about not only did she not
know his return, she didn't know what a internet was,
let alone a podcast.
Speaker 6 (01:11:31):
Damn fucking right, all right, that's how that's how the
Bala family starts in fucking America with the bastard child. Stop,
all right, eventually they would.
Speaker 3 (01:11:41):
Move up to.
Speaker 6 (01:11:45):
Hanover, New Hampshire, where he helped build Tuck Drive on
the Dartmouth campus. And then I do do the farmer
thing here, So, uh, what pages it on you?
Speaker 3 (01:11:59):
I'll just get it because it actually isn't as long
as I thought it was. All right now, my grandfather
was a real old school Italian guy who lived in
New Hampshire and worked in the forests. Legend has it
that one time legend has it like he's a fucking
jelly green giant or something like, like like the Bala
mythology here, like am I supposed to be picturing Shrek
or what? Or the Hunchback of Notre Dame legend the
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hulk back of Notre Dame legend has it at one
time he picked up an eight hundred pound rock and
ate it kind of like you did at WrestleMania eighteen.
Huh an eight hundred pound rock just rolled it right
up onto his thighs and was squat. Years later, I'd
think about that when I body slammed on the giant
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at wrestling.
Speaker 6 (01:12:46):
Oh my god, he did not fucking write that in
his fucking book.
Speaker 3 (01:12:49):
Andre was biggest you'd ever pen Ah he was pushing
seven hundred pounds that night, hundred punds less than my
grandfather had lifted, and it still tore the muscles in
my back to red. Oh so we're locked and loaded
on the hulk, cog and tall tails right out of
the gate.
Speaker 6 (01:13:06):
Except you know, if fucking Andre did all the work,
you piece of shit, well it's fake. We'll forget that, right.
Speaker 3 (01:13:12):
And how come you didn't tear your back to shreds
the six thousand times you body slammed him in a
million cities before.
Speaker 6 (01:13:17):
Exactly exactly.
Speaker 3 (01:13:19):
But it is his grandfather who fascinated him. Said his
grandfather was a farmer, a big guy with real big hands,
and he had a picture of this rock he once
picked up. So this, oh god, what I just read
you was from his second book. This is from his
first book where he claims there was actually a picture
of the rock he picked up. Oh my god, the
thing had to weigh six hundred pounds. So it goes
from six hundred pounds in the first book to eight
hundred pounds in the second book.
Speaker 6 (01:13:39):
I shit you not, it's inflation. It's inflation.
Speaker 3 (01:13:42):
It happens.
Speaker 6 (01:13:43):
What I you know, I'm weighing weighed inflation. I am
at the thing and fascinating things. Things that weighed two
tons now only weighed fifty pounds back in the nineteen twenties.
Speaker 3 (01:13:51):
Because he's careful and as good at lying as Hulk was,
he was lazy enough to not think, well, does this
contradict my first book? You know what, he's not. The
second author in front of him a payday waiting and
probably just did three hours of interviews on the phone
to get the fucking books exactly. This guy doesn't know
any better. He doesn't know that the well he should.
But the author, the ghostwriter, whatever you want to call him.
That the last book said six hundred pounds. He just
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told him eight hundred pounds, and he printed it. And
it's amazing how just between two books written by the
same guy or or you know, the same the same
guy's name on both books, there's that many contradictions between
his own books, let alone the things that actually happened
and the things he said happened, and his many tall
tale interviews over the years. He said he was a
farmer guy, big hands, six hundred pounds, maybe more, he says, okay,
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maybe more. And then by book two he's knows exactly
how much. It was just a superhuman feat. I remember
watching him cut wheat and corn and tend to the cattle.
He had a lot of cattle and a.
Speaker 6 (01:14:42):
Lot of can I can, I can? I tell you something?
And there's no fucking way he remembers this, went.
Speaker 3 (01:14:48):
To visit the way, went to visit him. No, no,
he went to visit him.
Speaker 6 (01:14:53):
I'm sorry, I'm sorry. There's no fucking way. He remembers that.
Speaker 3 (01:14:59):
Okay, I don't know why you're hating because he was
dead nineteen sixty died Hoak was born in nineteen fifty four.
He can't remember that, No, not, not when he's fucking
writing this book. No fucking way. I remember watching him
cut wheat and corn and tend to the cattle.
Speaker 6 (01:15:15):
Hit a lot of cat.
Speaker 3 (01:15:16):
Not a guy, i'll tell you what. Not a guy
with his fucking memory.
Speaker 6 (01:15:19):
I'll tell you that.
Speaker 3 (01:15:20):
And a lot of milking machines in his barn. I
remember that, a lot of milking machines. I don't think
his life was anything glorious, but he worked hard to
give his family some security. I'm not sure why he
my dad left New Hampshire. I never asked him, but
I know he was a hard work or two go ahead?
Speaker 10 (01:15:35):
Is he?
Speaker 1 (01:15:37):
Is?
Speaker 6 (01:15:37):
He fucking moron? He doesn't know why his dad left
New Hampshire, like I know why his dad left the Hampshire.
And you know what, if you read his book, he
explains why his dad left her.
Speaker 3 (01:15:48):
All right, there we go. I mean, just too much
fucking more on too much.
Speaker 6 (01:15:58):
Uh So, Yeah, he becomes a farm in nineteen seventeen,
he starts to become he kind of starts making the transition.
I'm assuming because I do know that in nineteen thirty
two he had his own farm on Lime Road in Hannover.
But I believe that he But I know he did
start working as a farmer in nineteen seventeen, so I'm
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when to assume he was working other people's farms.
Speaker 3 (01:16:21):
And I saw a reference to him working for a
company called wh Trumbull, which was a general contract when
home builders in reading Vermont. So he was sort of
half one foot in Vermont one foot in New Hampshire.
Speaker 6 (01:16:32):
Yeah, I mean that's not too far that part of
the thing. So it makes total sense.
Speaker 3 (01:16:38):
The hogans the ballet has loved to live on state lines.
I don't know if that's about true, they do live
on that edge. Well, you know what it's all about. Jurisdiction, Okay,
it's right, that's when it comes down. In case they
catch a body, they can kick it in the other
state exactly, or at least walk over the other state.
Speaker 6 (01:16:55):
So the rest of the children, so we're born in
New Hampshire. So they were Carlena in nineteen twelve, Francis
in nineteen fifteen, Josephine in nineteen nineteen, Evelyn in nineteen
twenty two, and Maxine in nineteen twenty nine. Oh and
I'm sorry. There was a boy in there, and that
would be the father of Hull Cogan, Pietro Bulea the
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third born December sixth, nineteen thirteen in Grafton, Hanover, New
Hamptonire To your point.
Speaker 3 (01:17:24):
Even in his own obituary, Hogan's grandfather's obituary, his son
has referred to as Peter Bollia Junior. No shit, even
though he was weird Peter boley a junior in his
own run. Yeah right, he was the junior.
Speaker 6 (01:17:37):
And because it's also not like the you know, he
brought his family over too, right, he brought you know,
he brought like the the the great grandparents of Hull
Cogan made their way over like they they I found
their travel records as well, and they came over like
a few years after Peter Junior had set up shop.
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I think it came over nineteen twelve. Actually they came over.
Speaker 3 (01:18:03):
And what kind of music would have been playing as
they made that track? I am a Realatalian. I'm surprised
that fucking Bruno didn't do that. I Ammiel Italion. Well,
we weren't in Italy at the time. Maybe that was
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hot on the MTV. I don't know that's true. Squashing
the grapes for oh, for my red wine.
Speaker 6 (01:18:42):
So sadly, nineteen twenty nine was a rough year for
the Balayas Ye rough year because in the United Opinion
on February first, nineteen twenty nine, it was written on
Friday evening, January twenty fifth, Peter Blaya's home on the
Dartmouth College Highway was destroyed by fire. An explosion of
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gasoline in the garage is reported to have started the fire.
Mister Bellaia and his family are finding a temporary home
with mister Buskey. They don't give a fucking name from
mister Bussey, just mister Bussey.
Speaker 3 (01:19:16):
Well, I don't know where it all went wrong, but
I'll tell you it was sometime after we would publish
in newspapers where and when someone visited someone else's house
and when they went on a vacation and came home,
Like it's anyone's business.
Speaker 6 (01:19:30):
I wrote down the same, like this is so weird,
like the like the fucking I have a number of them.
Want I want you to guess which ones are real
which ones are not real? Okay you ready? Yes, the
family of mister and missus Engelbert Collingsworth visited the Blaa
family between the hours of three pm and five thirty pm?
Speaker 3 (01:19:50):
Is that real or fake?
Speaker 4 (01:19:51):
Fake?
Speaker 3 (01:19:51):
Because they don't say the hours? That's right, You're right,
good call.
Speaker 6 (01:19:55):
Fred Hanschett has been helping Peter Bellya and Henry Abbott
fill their silos.
Speaker 3 (01:20:02):
What is it A?
Speaker 4 (01:20:03):
Is it A?
Speaker 3 (01:20:04):
Is it a top heavy corporate organization that needs to
be more fully synergized? Hogan's been breaking down silos when
he wasn't even a thought, when his father wasn't even
a thought in his grandfather's mind.
Speaker 6 (01:20:17):
Real or fake? Real? Real? The Woodworths called upon the
Balais last week. Real fake Brother Peter Blaye the brother brother, brother,
Peter Balaya caught a crow in his yard Monday morning.
The crow was unhurt but very hungry. Oh that's fake,
(01:20:40):
it's fucking real.
Speaker 12 (01:20:43):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (01:20:44):
Jesus fucking the Landmark March twenty fifth, nineteen thirty seven.
I mean, Peter Blay caught a crow in his yard
Monday morning. The crow was unhurt but very hung Are
you just going to assume that because he showed up
without a tan, brother?
Speaker 6 (01:21:03):
You know it wasn't actually like a black crow.
Speaker 3 (01:21:05):
Let me tell you. Let me tell you something, sting moan,
You're not the first hungry crow a bolet has ever
laid his eyes on. Dude, A malnourished, underprepared crow. Dude,
my grandfather brother when he was pushing eight thousand pound
rocks up his fucking legs. Dude, say what you will, brother,
but I don't eat crow.
Speaker 4 (01:21:22):
Dude.
Speaker 6 (01:21:25):
How about this one? Missus Peter Blaya assisted at a
fraternity building at Hanover over the weekend. Really fake real,
it is real. I don't know what she was assisting.
I don't know why she was at a fraternity building.
Speaker 3 (01:21:39):
He was dressing wounds. I'm sure, here we go. Last one,
mister Peter Blaya performed kind of lingus on his wife. Fuck,
I can't believe you found that one too. They're living
room Sunday. I could have believed they published that, Like
did they know what kind of lingus even is? Back then?
Like by the name, I'm like, I'm checking the next
(01:22:02):
day to see if she came. Nothing.
Speaker 6 (01:22:06):
It wouldn't be for two weeks after. As a follow up, did.
Speaker 3 (01:22:10):
Come he gets u or whatever gets gets pissed off
that like they let they left it unclear on the
newspaper that this thing. Did she come? You have to
you have to see this.
Speaker 6 (01:22:26):
Come on Peak.
Speaker 3 (01:22:27):
Here's the damnedest thing. It's like it's basically everyone in
the town's business. It's like every step they take is published.
And it's not like gossip or anything like that. It's
just done. It's just like it's just information, like someone visited,
like who cares? I mean, the only thing I can
think of his pre telephone, you know, pre like, yeah,
this was a way to tell other people in your
(01:22:49):
town that it might take you three hours to reach
by horse and buggy, that uh, this is what you've
been up to.
Speaker 6 (01:22:56):
This is just but it's not like it's not like handover.
I mean, these are all local papers, they're not like
you know, it's like, it's not like handovers a fucking big,
big fucking area. No, it's just it's just weird. It's
so bizarre, like to have all this information like I mean,
I guess it's social media. Actually in a way, it's
someone posting what that kind of is. They're all posting
like what's going on, and so you don't have to
(01:23:17):
actually have to fucking visit them and see what's going on.
Speaker 3 (01:23:19):
But it was it was such a different approach. It's
like there were stories, but there was also this kind
of expectation that the paper was also like a digest
of information, like it's a lot of bloggers. It wasn't like, yes,
it didn't even have to be structured as an article.
It was just like a list of things that had
been filed in the in the county court, or a
list of things that had been sold, or a list
(01:23:40):
of people who had been married or whatever. It's just
lists and lists and lists of everyone's business. And man,
is it good for us? Because yes, you know, you
can get so much closer than you think to the
sort of details of a person's life that far back. Yep.
Speaker 6 (01:23:59):
I mean you should see, like you if you look
up the any like the balley is on an A
and I get the you know. I tried to stay
away for the most part from let you do all
the newspaper stuff unless it came up on ancestry, which
sometimes it does, and it was like it was just funny,
because then it got me interested. Then I had to go.
I like, when I saw that first one, I was like,
I gotta see what the fuck this is because this
(01:24:20):
is this is bizarre. And it's like every week, every
week there was a thing about the balayas, some mundane
activity that happened, or some event that was so like
so and so stayed at their house overnight, and.
Speaker 3 (01:24:32):
You said their garage blew up because of what it was,
a gasoline fire. This would not be the last time
that a balleya residence would suddenly go up in flames.
M hmmm.
Speaker 6 (01:24:44):
And there was gasoling in the garage, an explosion of
gasoline in the garage. So by nineteen forty, Peter the
third was an apprentice plumber for the US Navy, and
I wrote down, as you mentioned, not the only son
of a plumber.
Speaker 3 (01:25:03):
Thank you very much.
Speaker 6 (01:25:04):
This is father now to be clear, Hulk, Yes, this
is hul Coogan's father, Peter the third, and on October nineteenth,
nineteen forty he married his first wife, Louisa Morse, the
daughter of a woods and farm laborer from Laconia, New Hampshire.
Speaker 3 (01:25:23):
You heard it right, hul Cogan's dad was married to
someone before, Ruth.
Speaker 6 (01:25:28):
Yes, indeed, yes, indeed. And on, oh, this is interesting.
I didn't even check the date on this one.
Speaker 2 (01:25:35):
So on.
Speaker 6 (01:25:38):
Again in the Landmark the local paper, October second, nineteen
forty one. So this is two months before Pearl Harbor.
Peter Blaa Junior went to New York Thursday, and after
passing his physical tests, sailed Saturday to the Panama Zone
to do plumbing for US government.
Speaker 3 (01:25:59):
We will get to that, mm hmmm.
Speaker 6 (01:26:01):
He spent the intervening time in New York with his
sister's earl. Earl Monica of Hanover accompanied him. Evelyn Blea
and little Ronald Wood went to Claremont Sunday after spending
several weeks at Peter Blaya's. Sunday afternoon, Missus Peter Peter
Bellya was pleasantly surprised by a visit from three cousins,
Missus Catherine and Alice Noonan and missus Elizabeth Boys and
(01:26:23):
their nephew, all from all of Boston, Massachusetts. She had
never met these cousins and had not heard of them
for several years.
Speaker 3 (01:26:30):
In fact, she wasn't even sure they were her cousins.
They stayed until Monday at noon. How bizarre, how bizarre
little Boston connection there even? Maybe that's right exactly. So
I'm feeling all that. Do you want to do you
have stuff about his time in Panama? I did. We'll
(01:26:52):
get to that. Let's put a plug in it for now,
because all right, you talk about Peter Junior's wife.
Speaker 6 (01:27:01):
I'm i talking Peter the third, I'm talking about Ruth.
Now we're talking about Edith Bulea. I just Ques and
I didn't talk about Edith that much.
Speaker 3 (01:27:07):
Edith was Hulk Cogan's grandmother. Well, Dora, actually she went
by Dora, by Dora, Okay, yes, it was Edith Edith
Medora Eleiah. Well, no, it was was her maiden name.
It was something stupid. Oh, I'm not sure what her
name was, Noonan Edith Medora Noonan. Oh, Okay, yeah, Nowton
was her not Ruth's family. Ruth's family was moody. She's moody,
(01:27:29):
right right. If it's Irish, I put in the same category,
I know. But in fact, Edith Bullia, the grandmother of
the Holkster, died in nineteen seventy nine. This ran in
the Rutland. Harold Edith Medora Bola eighty five died Saturday
at her home. She was born in New York City
in eighteen ninety three. Her parents were Frank and Helena Noonan,
(01:27:51):
and she lived in Hanover, New Hampshire all of her life,
according to this article, and was the widow of Peter
who died in nineteen and sixty five. Daughters Francis B. Abbatiel,
Catherine b Andres, Carlina B. La Verde of Memphis, Evelyn
Dunfee of Tampa. That might be the first family member
(01:28:11):
to go to Tampa, right there. As a matter of fact, Oh,
there we go. And Max and Clark of Hanniver, Hampshire.
A son, Peter Blaia Junior of Tampa. Well, he was
already in Tampa when she died, So who's to say
which of the two went there first? Seven great grand grandchildren,
one of which is Hulk and several great grandchildren. Another daughter,
Josephine Wood, died in nineteen sixty six. So they lost
their daughter.
Speaker 6 (01:28:32):
Yes, so that is she was the first and she
was the first one to go. She was of that
of the of the Peter the third generation.
Speaker 3 (01:28:40):
So what what was Peter boleya? That the father of
Hulk Cogan's first.
Speaker 6 (01:28:45):
Wife's name Luisa Morris.
Speaker 3 (01:28:48):
Yes, Harry Moore was of Laconia. Harry was her father. Okay, Yes,
here's an announcement from a paper in Vermont in nineteen
forty where Harry Morse announces the engagement of his daughter
Louisa to Peter bulla junior of Hanover, Hampshire. Morse was
(01:29:09):
graduated from Hartford High School class of thirty five, and
she attended the Saint Elizabeth School of Nursing in Elizabeth,
New Jersey. Whereas mister bulla son of Peter Blay senior,
I guess senior's last junior junior.
Speaker 6 (01:29:24):
I know, I actually ended up doing it. I just
I numbered them that I had Peter Blaire one, two
and three. Here's how I had to do it. So
here's the third.
Speaker 3 (01:29:31):
Yeah, he had graduated A Hulk's dad graduated from Hennriver
High School class of thirty one and went to work
for Thomas E. Ward of Hanover, Hampshire, a plumbing and
heating business. I mentioned lightning. How about this nineteen forty
one during the thundershower on Saturday, lightning struck a tree
near the Peter Blaa house on Lime Road, and then,
(01:29:53):
because well this is the kind of lightning that probably
killed Jackie Atkinson as well, followed a wire into the house.
The plaster was torn off, the walls, all light globes burned,
dishes broken, and a small fire started which was extinguished
before the fire department arrived. Is understood that the loss
(01:30:13):
was covered by insurance, so it's an explosive beginning. But
would lightning strike twice for Peter Bulaya the third or
would he perhaps even strike gold? That is the question.
Speaker 2 (01:30:31):
Job A little job, a job connecting the Atlantic and Pacific,
A little.
Speaker 3 (01:30:39):
Job construction of the Panama Canal. He's in the canal
zone and made waterway in Panama, connecting the Atlantic and
Pacific oceans through a system of locks. Completed and opened
(01:31:00):
August and Capers sixteen fourteen. After about ten years of
US construction. The canal created a direct maritime link between
the two oceans, slashing travel time for ships by thousands
of miles, and of course giving the US a major
strategic and military advantage, all while boosting global trade efficiency
(01:31:23):
and standing as a massive engineering triumph. The Panama Canal
is one of the great wonders and symbolized modern industrial
capability in US influence. And you know what that means. Jobs,
a lot of money to be made if you knew
how to put shit in the ground as well, especially
during wartime, especially during wartime, and Pete Malaya had those skills,
(01:31:44):
and he went to New York in nineteen forty one,
as you said, after passing his physical tests and sailed
for the Panama Zone. The idea that Hulk Hogan is
Panamanian is hilarious to me. See that on the web
when they scrape his Wikipedia or whatever and realize that
(01:32:06):
his brother was born in Panama and his parents lived
in Panama, so they assumed that he's Panamanian. But Panamania
was not running wild in the Bulllet of Blood. It
was just a circumstance of They set up essentially an
American city in Panama called the zone, like you said,
the Panama Zone, and had other names as well, which
we'll get to. And it's basically it's basically, you know,
(01:32:31):
trying to create and replicate America in Panama for the
workers who came over there to build a canal and
to establish the American foothold there in that country. Doesn't
mean any of them are have any Panamanian extraction by
any stretch, not at all. And in fact, folks like I.
Speaker 6 (01:32:49):
Mean, it was a major as I was looking at
as a major US military hub, that's canal zone. So
it's like and especially right then and there during in
the very very beginnings of what would eventually become World
War two.
Speaker 3 (01:33:04):
Yes, it's much like a military installation. Yeah, you'll see
children of the military. Like I was born in Japan.
It's like, well, yeah, but you're not Japanese. You know,
you're born in a military base in Japan, which might
as well have been San Diego, California, or Butte Montana.
Right exactly so, but children of Panama is a thing.
A news piece here from France twenty four English did
(01:33:27):
a little bit of a piece looking back on you know,
the children of Americans who were born in Panama and
what that meant for one's identity back then.
Speaker 15 (01:33:36):
It is so huge that it took thirty years to build,
straddling both the nineteenth and twentieth centuries, costing the lives
of up to twenty eight thousand workers. Seventy seven kilometers
of waterway, but seventy seven kilometers that is crucially important
to the Panama Canal. It connects the Atlantic Pacific Oceans
by slicing through the narrowest strip of land in Central America.
(01:34:00):
But the country of Panama only took control of it
in nineteen ninety nine, eighty five years after its inauguration,
because it was the US that built it, and the
area around the canal became a real American colony one thousand,
four hundred square kilometers nicknamed Lazona. At the height of
(01:34:20):
its occupation in the nineteen fifties, nearly one hundred thousand
Americans lived there, isolated from the rest of the country.
They've created a little America, a campus with baseball and
American football, shops with entirely imported products, homes built in
the colonial style, a real wealth bubble from which local
people were excluded. It wasn't until the late nineties that
(01:34:44):
the area was gradually handed back to Panama Speak The Labs.
Speaker 1 (01:34:48):
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(01:35:22):
need their candy.
Speaker 2 (01:35:23):
It's the Lapsed Fan. He's a Lapsed fan wrestling podcast.
Speaker 3 (01:36:00):
And Hogan and the Ballets were somewhat associated with a
township in the Panama Canal Zone called Encoon, just outside
of Panama Sit exactly. Yes, indeed, that was a town
in the canal zone. And yeah, this is engineers, doctors,
military personnel, all their families they came to the area.
Speaker 6 (01:36:21):
It's it's an important area because that's where Ruth was born.
Speaker 3 (01:36:26):
Absolutely, because it wasn't just the Bulets that went there,
it was the Moodies as well.
Speaker 6 (01:36:31):
It was the Moodies. I do want to say, though,
so quickly about the about because Peter's marriage to Luisa
was very was short, only four years, because she did
she died. He's stationed, he was stationed in Coca Solo
in the Canal zone in Panama and they they they
(01:36:55):
lived there and she had she needed to have what
I read was a quote slight operation right, and then
she died. She did after that, she did so complications
from slight operating maneuvers.
Speaker 3 (01:37:10):
Wrongly operated. Yes, she was actually employed by the Navy
out there, And I'm born in Laconia, like we said,
New Hampshire, and yeah, that's all it says. It says.
Funeral services for missus Louisa m Belea of a Coca
Solo canal zone, who died very suddenly following a slight
operation on April eighth, were held there April eleventh, with
(01:37:32):
burial in the local cemetery.
Speaker 4 (01:37:35):
Yep.
Speaker 6 (01:37:36):
But now there is there is a lot of again,
much like the kind of discrepancy whether or not it
was Catherine or the terrees were who was the great
great grandmother of Hulkogan, there is I found to be
discrepancy as to Ruth's actual first name is yes, Vernice?
(01:38:03):
Is It varies? There are official.
Speaker 3 (01:38:08):
Uh uh, you know documents that say both sting both
and her mother's name was Vernice. Her mother's name is Vernice,
but she is often listed as Verice and then sometimes Vernice,
and it's very confused. There's no junior there, there's no
junior there at all. But so everyone just fucking calls
her Ruth. Yeah. I always wonder that. It's like I'm
(01:38:29):
wanna name her this, but because it's the same name
as me, I know, everybody is going to call her
by her middle name. But instead of just naming her
her middle name, I'm still gonna call her well I know,
but also like what I'm curious. I mean, I imagine
it must be Vernice because Verie sounds like a weird name. Yeah,
but like it's just weird that there are But there
are documents and now I'm not talking about newspaper artists.
I'm talking about actually official documents, actual records that call
(01:38:53):
her Verice. So yeah, So the the Moody's, they originated
from Virginia as far back as eighteen twenty four. Then
they relocated to Pennsylvania. That's where they spent most of
their time in Pennsylvania. Like, I guess the generations leading
up to Ruth were in Pennsylvania. I got Henry's a
(01:39:16):
bit saying he was a native of Maryland. So for
what that's worth, Ruth bad. Yeah, but Virginia, Maryland, it
can be very right.
Speaker 6 (01:39:26):
The whole family there, Like they have them all listed
as being from yeah, Pennsylvania and whatnot.
Speaker 3 (01:39:37):
So so yeah, so she.
Speaker 6 (01:39:41):
So she's there, she's her father was in the Army
again Station Canal Zone, Panama, and on April eighteenth, nineteen
thirty eight, Ruth married her first husband, Raymond William Wheeler.
Speaker 3 (01:39:58):
You heard it here. First, both Hult's father and mother
were married to somebody else first.
Speaker 6 (01:40:03):
Who also born in ank on, Panama Canal Zone. He
was a fire commander for the Canal Zone government.
Speaker 3 (01:40:11):
I got on her father by the way that Chusa
retired inspector for the Panama Canal No legiy serve as
a veteran of World War One. I was a former mason,
but he also worked as an inspector. That's wild. It's
wild that they What's so confusing about the Panama thing
is like you want to say, only one of the
(01:40:31):
parents had the Panama connection, and then they ended up
moving there together, Like you know, Peter marries Ruth and
they go over there because he finds work. But they
met each other there, or if they knew of each
other before that, we don't really, I mean, they were
in New England, but they they did. They did marry
very shortly after the Slight Operation. The Slight operation, I'll
(01:40:55):
just leave that. It was very quick. Yeah.
Speaker 6 (01:40:58):
So ray her first husband, was a commander fire commander
for the Canal Zone government. Stay there. He stayed there
until nineteen seventy four. Yeah, that's how long he stayed.
I'll go it anywhere. When he moved to Hudson, Florida,
which is just north of take a guess, Hudson, Tamada,
which is just north of Tampa. Yeah, Tampa. Yeah, so
(01:41:20):
he moved to Tampa as well. The ex husband. I
don't know why they got divorced. I couldn't find any
any like, I couldn't find a date actually it was,
I mean, obviously like the Panama records are certainly a
little harder to come by, but certainly was some time
before nineteen forty five when she married Peter Blea. I
also don't have the exact wedding date of Ruth and Peter,
(01:41:41):
but before that, and I do, I do did appreciate
you you and I imagine you caught that as well
in that article that you had me read, because seven
months after they were married, seven months after they were married,
that's Ray and Ruth. On November third, nineteen thirty eight,
(01:42:03):
Ruth gave birth to her first son, Kenneth Raymond Wheeler,
Hulk Hogan's oldest sibling. Did you know that when you
when you send that to me?
Speaker 3 (01:42:17):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (01:42:17):
Good. She retained custody of Ken after she and Ray divorced.
I can confirm this because I do have travel records. Yes,
I'm going to ask you right now. Yes, you do
a passenger list featuring the blaas and underneath we have one.
Speaker 3 (01:42:44):
We have a manifest. We have a manifest? Is it
democracy manifest? Underneath?
Speaker 6 (01:42:50):
Allen Kenneth Wheeler from all the same Lime, New Hampshire
as well. They're all from where they're all from. So
it's right there.
Speaker 3 (01:43:00):
This is I thank you, Yes, it is you, fucker.
Speaker 6 (01:43:08):
I don't know, did you? I can tell you about Ken.
Do you know about Ken?
Speaker 3 (01:43:11):
Tell you about Ken too?
Speaker 6 (01:43:12):
All right? Tell me about well'll go here. I know
he went to Virginia Tech Go ahead, after marrying a
Susan Boone. A member of a number of officer training
programs and organizations. He was the Arnold Air Society. He
was scabbard and blade Lieutenant colonel in the Cadet Corps.
He was a member of the Cotton Club, a formal
(01:43:33):
dance society.
Speaker 3 (01:43:34):
I think that's a competitor at a Patreon. We don't
need to mention them again.
Speaker 6 (01:43:37):
So he's basically a wrestler, right if it's a dance society. Right,
So he's you know, graduated from the US Air Forces
Squadron Officer School in nineteen sixty four, reassigned to Glasgow
Air Force Base in Montana, highly decorated electronic warfare officer.
What is an electronic warfare officer?
Speaker 3 (01:43:57):
I can only assume that they deal with the electronics
involved in deploying a military weaponry.
Speaker 6 (01:44:03):
Weberary, Well, because you know, I would say so, because
he certainly did his fair share of deploying of weaponry
during Vietnam Wow, as he made daily B fifty two
Strato fortress bombing missions against the viet Cong.
Speaker 3 (01:44:18):
Well, I'm sure he only hit people who deserved it.
Speaker 6 (01:44:21):
So, yeah, right, exactly. I don't know if i've I
don't know if he's dead or alive. I've I've seen,
I have like there are there are our family trees
that say he's dead. Then there are, there are, there are,
(01:44:41):
then there are like the grave at least on his
wife's seems like he's still alive.
Speaker 3 (01:44:47):
But I think he's still alive. I think, yes, I
believe he's still alive. And do you want to know
the most important thing about him? I do want to
know the most important thing about him. He owes whole
Cogan money. Yes, he fucking I just sent to you.
Look at this a passage about Ken from Hulk's second
book where he he mentions Ken and passing in his
(01:45:09):
first book, but in his second book he goes in
because if there's one thing we're going to learn about
Hulk Hogan over the course of this the complete Hulk
Hogan Journey, it's that everybody kind of fucked him. Yeah,
of course stiffed him. I get it.
Speaker 6 (01:45:23):
That's why. It's why he That's why Tito called him
a good friend, right understood. Everyone fucked him.
Speaker 3 (01:45:27):
Family, be it a wife, a brother, another brother, brother,
be it someone hired to take care of his mom,
always willing to take a couple grand a little.
Speaker 6 (01:45:37):
I'm a little so I question this thing here because
I mean, I didn't see my brother Kenny until my
wrestling career. Hold on a second, Well, maybe that's.
Speaker 3 (01:45:50):
True because he flew over with Allan, who was Hulk's
older brother and born in Panama, but Hulk wasn't born
until they got to South Carolina. Kenneth, you know, was
not around. I mean, but why was that old?
Speaker 4 (01:46:04):
He was?
Speaker 6 (01:46:04):
Said that kid that can only he would have been
he would have been fifteen, he said, okay with him
for quite a while, for a significant amount of time,
Peter A great question. I also am very curious as
to as to when, as to what the divorce. I
I think Peter was fucking Ruth honestly.
Speaker 3 (01:46:20):
Then there was a slight operation.
Speaker 6 (01:46:21):
I do no, no, I think the well, yeah, maybe
maybe there was a you know, or or yeah, I
don't know. It's all, it's all everything happens, which I
I definitely as you know, that seems to be the
case with the Ballets in general. There's a lot of
very very close ends of marriages beginnings of next marriages.
Speaker 3 (01:46:41):
Very much. Yeah, there's definitely a pattern. There is a
very big pattern there, but so basically hereditary. Yeah, right, exactly,
or at least a learned trait tits Terry. Why don't
we learn from your second book here about Kenneth.
Speaker 6 (01:47:00):
I didn't see my brother Kenny until my wrestling career
took off.
Speaker 3 (01:47:03):
Either.
Speaker 6 (01:47:04):
Again, I don't know if I'd buy that I realized
I haven't mentioned Kenny until this moment. I guess it's
because I barely knew him. Kenny is my much older
half brother. I mean, I guess much fifteen years old,
fifteen years older, fifteen years older. Yeah, he's born in
thirty eight. That's older.
Speaker 3 (01:47:21):
That's fair much older, though, like I don't know, I
guess it is. But I'm not going to get to
a brother much older than that.
Speaker 6 (01:47:28):
Oh, I guess by the time I was born, I
guess her Kenny her Kenny had moved out or was
living with his father or something, because I don't remember
him living in that house on Paul Avenue at all,
so I heard about him from time to time. Though
my mom was real proud of Kenny. He got to
the Air Force and went to the Virginia Military Institute,
if I remember on this riot, and he graduated as
a lieutenant graduated. I think it was better than that, if.
Speaker 3 (01:47:55):
I'm remembering this right. That's always a nice option that
the biographer has.
Speaker 6 (01:48:02):
I think, well, now maybe I feel, yeah, maybe it
was a lieutenant. We were like, I don't know, I
think it was like a lieutenant colonel.
Speaker 3 (01:48:10):
Actually, it's what he was. He was a lieutenant colonel.
Speaker 4 (01:48:12):
I think.
Speaker 6 (01:48:16):
If I remember he graduated lieutenant. By the time I
started wrestling with the w W in the late seventy
eight seventy nine, he was working in the budgeting department
at the Pentagon and he was a full blown major
or a colonel or whatever rank. Whatever his rank was.
He done real well in the Air Force. When things
got going with the WWE, I want to wrestle at
the Capital Center in Maryland about once a month, not
(01:48:36):
far from his place up there, and we started to
get in touch with each other, you know, how, to
even stay at his house when he was in town.
This went on for about two years. It was nice
having some other family to connect with part in another
part of the country like that. It was a nice
break staying in hotels night after night too, you know.
Then this one time Kenny asked to borrow some money
from me. I don't remember what he needed for, but
(01:48:58):
it was it was something pretty urge. And as I recall,
he came down to McDill Air Force Base in Tampa
on a government plane and the amount he wanted to
borrow was five thousand dollars at that point, I you know,
it could have been fifty thousand dollars or more, and
I wouldn't have said no. He's my brother, brother, right,
he's family brother. But it was real insistent. I'm want
(01:49:18):
to pay you back in thirty days, don't worry, he said.
I said, okay, no problem, and I was that well.
Third days went by, the sixty days and ninety days.
I remember my mom asked me if Kenny had paid
me back yet. I remember I told her about the loan.
I'm pretty sure. I'm pretty sure he didn't. Anyhow, one
way or another, she knew, you know, brother, she got
(01:49:40):
pulled this thing, blew the same wide open dude, got
dial this thing back in on fucking Kenny. Dude, brother shit.
Speaker 4 (01:49:50):
You know.
Speaker 6 (01:49:50):
Anyhow, one way another she knew. I guess she kind
of called him on it. He said to her, Oh no,
don't worry, I'm want to get the money to Terry.
But never happened. Instead, he quit communicating me, just quit.
Basically to this day, we don't talk or that small
amount of money. I mean, if we're not talking anymore,
he might as well have gone to half a million.
You know, that was a cheap lesson for me.
Speaker 3 (01:50:11):
In the long run.
Speaker 6 (01:50:12):
Money does weird things of people, you know, if Kenny
had told me he couldn't pay me back, that would
have been fun. You know, I just would never heard
from him again on a real problem to me. And
my dad had an issue with something like that. My
dad lent some guy money on time and and and
the guy never paid him back, and it just fucking
got weird. As it does.
Speaker 3 (01:50:30):
Money.
Speaker 6 (01:50:30):
Money, money fucks with people. This is the bottom line.
Money fucks with people because it just money.
Speaker 3 (01:50:37):
Money, especially Italians from New Hampshire. Oh fuck, yeah, forget it.
We run you down and never forgets. He doesn't never
get what his mother a mother in law, got, no
what what his ex wife, Linda's like family got for like,
you know, design services around his house. His ledger is meticulous, tremendous, ridiculous. Yeah,
(01:51:03):
I always you know, brother, I just kind of keep
these organized. Dude, very very cool. I have a very
very very very very meticulous ledger. Dude, tell us other
warm memories of down.
Speaker 6 (01:51:16):
Uh as usually one by Wait, Kenny, I just never
heard frohim again. I had a real problem with that
for a while. As yours went by and whole commenius
are taken off. There must have been a dozen occasions
when some random fan would come up to me and go, hey,
you got a brother named Kenny. Now so freaked out?
(01:51:36):
But what happened between us?
Speaker 3 (01:51:37):
Thought?
Speaker 6 (01:51:38):
I usually just say no.
Speaker 3 (01:51:40):
What we freaked out by? What happened between you? Kenny?
You know Kenny?
Speaker 6 (01:51:49):
Are you talking to Kenny? Dude?
Speaker 3 (01:51:50):
Kenny Omega? What's Kenny Omega's brother? What's his father's last name? Dude?
Speaker 6 (01:51:58):
Wheeler?
Speaker 3 (01:51:59):
Brother? What Cash Wheeler?
Speaker 12 (01:52:01):
What?
Speaker 6 (01:52:02):
Dude?
Speaker 8 (01:52:02):
What?
Speaker 3 (01:52:02):
Wait a minute? Whoa brother? Kenny? Kenny?
Speaker 13 (01:52:11):
Know?
Speaker 6 (01:52:11):
You know your brother who works at the Pentagon. He says,
his brother's Hulk Hogan the Champ. I just go, no,
I don't know him, dude, picture eighties Hogan. No brother,
I got Alan, Dude, got big Al.
Speaker 3 (01:52:26):
Well, that's a that's different.
Speaker 6 (01:52:27):
I got big Al Hogan brother. I went on with
that ridiculous crap for ten or fifteen years before I
following got over it. And many years later my father
was dying. Kenny came out of Tampa with his whole family,
and we were all gathered at Tampa General and they
took my dad outside in the wheelchair so he'd get
out and see the water there. I don't remember when
I when I tried to say how to Kenny's wife,
(01:52:48):
Susan just turned her head. Wow, I don't know what
I ever did to her. Yeah you do, so it's
fuck her right, you know what you did, Terry?
Speaker 3 (01:52:55):
Just you know, I just took out my you know,
tell my my, my twenty four inch python and shoved
in their plus Kenny said, I could. It's like Bubba,
it's swinging. Brother.
Speaker 6 (01:53:08):
The whole thing is just strange, dude, except for a
few words right after my dad passed away, Kenny, I
haven't spoken at all. He's based in Dayton, Ohio. Now
he must be sixty seven, sixty eight years old. Not
that I looked it up, dude, and it hasn't changed.
I basically learned to let it go. But here I
am writing about it, and here I am not editing
(01:53:30):
it out either.
Speaker 3 (01:53:30):
Dude. He didn't put that in the book. But that's
a really good point.
Speaker 6 (01:53:35):
So I guess maybe it still bothers me. Yeah, I
just don't understand how a little bit of money could
rip a hole like that. And what's supposed to be
one of the strongest, one of my life's strongest bonds,
the bond of family.
Speaker 15 (01:53:45):
Brother.
Speaker 3 (01:53:46):
You wait, you just wait, Terry and can I just say,
I mean, yes, Kenny, you out there, Kenny, Yes, is
now the time to tell your story? Kenny, Ken, Come on,
Terry's gone, you know, you know damn well knows. He
knows it all. There is a manuscript that he has
(01:54:08):
had on his desk for twenty years. Lawyers have been
hounding him about not publishing it. No, not to was dead,
and then Terry comes out with this fucking book and
puts him on blast for bar Oh, but that's Terry.
It's all about receipts. But Terry, he'll get He'll get
the receipt eventually. Yeah, even if it's like stealing your
(01:54:30):
valor like after you're dead, pretending you were Randy Savage
and were drafted by the Reds or the other the
other things other wrestlers did that he thought sounded cool.
So he just told media that he did it, and
no one ever bothered and check if it was true. Amazing, Ah, Kenny, Kenny,
come on, buddy, the time is now, Kenny. Where dude,
(01:54:51):
Come on, Ken. We haven't heard enough from Uncle Kenny
over the years.
Speaker 6 (01:54:55):
We definitely have not heard enough.
Speaker 3 (01:54:57):
But I find that fascinating, you know, to the point
about you know him not growing up around Pete, his stepfather.
I guess you could call him, but he did. He
did fly to Tampa when Pete was on his deathbed.
What's uh? Also?
Speaker 6 (01:55:12):
Where Brian, Wendy and Chris and Kristen? M they must
know something too. They were born just after Hulk Hogan.
Those are Kenny's kids. Come on, Brian, I.
Speaker 3 (01:55:24):
Don't want to know anything about her uncle. Terry, Kristen,
We're on, Uncle Terry. Did did Kenny ever tell the
kids that that guy on TV is your your uncle?
Speaker 10 (01:55:32):
You know?
Speaker 3 (01:55:33):
Hmm? Did he let it? Did he let it slip once?
Speaker 6 (01:55:35):
Did you ever say I never see any of that money?
Speaker 4 (01:55:38):
You know?
Speaker 6 (01:55:39):
It gives everybody else?
Speaker 3 (01:55:40):
What about me?
Speaker 6 (01:55:41):
I'm his oldest brother, the patriarch.
Speaker 3 (01:55:45):
His mother's face, his mother's favorite. Oh you know, damn
well she is? You know, damn well he is Kenneth.
You know he went to the Pentagon. Mmmm. He was
decorated in the Middlelitary my son within the Pentagon. Hi, Terry,
have you heard from Kenny today? You ask me that
(01:56:06):
every day.
Speaker 8 (01:56:06):
Mom.
Speaker 3 (01:56:06):
I don't even know where he lives roots. I don't
even know what the fun you're talking about. I don't know.
Think Kenny, dude. Oh you know Kenny, my favorite son brother. Yeah,
your brother, what Alan? What's what's what's his daughter's names? Kenny?
Speaker 6 (01:56:22):
Uh, he's got two, Kristin and Wendy.
Speaker 3 (01:56:25):
What is it, Christen?
Speaker 6 (01:56:26):
What do you want? Dad?
Speaker 3 (01:56:27):
I want you to. I just want you to listen
to this here, put this here button. This is a podcast.
Speaker 11 (01:56:34):
Dad.
Speaker 3 (01:56:35):
I think you need to call these guys.
Speaker 6 (01:56:36):
Yeah. I think you need to set the story straight
before we lose your dad.
Speaker 3 (01:56:41):
I need you to.
Speaker 6 (01:56:41):
I need you to tell them that Hulk took money
from you, not the other way around.
Speaker 3 (01:56:51):
To be him and to hear about a book that
calls him out.
Speaker 6 (01:56:56):
Could you just I mean, seriously, just imagine this course
and I'm a bitch, just like, Oh, that's all anybody
knows about you, is you stiff Hull Cogan and a
pat exactly exactly. That's all people know. Listen, there are
millions of people. That's all they care about, all right,
(01:57:19):
That's all they care about. So while Peter care about
the fact that you fucked hul Cogan went to Panama
to work. Ruth was born in Panama, Yes, in nineteen twenty.
As you outlined, that's right.
Speaker 3 (01:57:33):
So she was waiting for him. Daughter to Vernice Caroline
Violet and Henry Clinton Moody. Frank was her brother, and
he went to Panama as well. According to his obituary,
he passed away a Florida resident. He was born in
Old Town, Maine and came to Florida year ago from
(01:57:54):
the Panama Canal Zone, where he had lived since nineteen ten.
And he was a contractor, was Ruth's brother and holder
of the Roosevelt Medal, and a number of Panama Canal
Society and a member he was rather of the Panama
Canal Society of Florida. So apparently these canal families created
societies stateside so they could get together and remember the
(01:58:19):
old times. I guess, And yeah, so it was just
it was a Panama Canal family in a lot of ways.
And after settling in Tampa. I don't want to front
run anything you might have coming. Have you unloaded the
chamber on.
Speaker 6 (01:58:31):
Us more or less? I just I got some stuff
on Allen later, The Many Wives of Allan, Peter Bella.
Speaker 3 (01:58:49):
Any other working titles for the Netflix series, because you
could get a six part Netflix series Weddings there.
Speaker 6 (01:58:59):
There are you kid there are there is so much
like the fact that there hasn't been more really said
about this man is a fucking crime.
Speaker 3 (01:59:10):
He's more fascinating than halk in some ways he is, honestly,
but eventually go ahead, no good no. Ruth's parents, as mentioned,
leave Panama Canal and set and leave Panama and settle
in Florida. And in fact, here's an article that kind
of puts us in a place in time Tampa Times
(01:59:31):
in nineteen fifty two, this ran in the Yeah, Tampa Times.
Dear Priscilla, this is a busy holiday for Miss Grace Williams,
who flew to Tampa from Christabaudo, Panama Canal Zone to
spend a month as the guest of mister and missus
Henry C. Moody. This is her first trip here, so
the Moodies are seeing that she takes in such attractions
(01:59:53):
as cypress gardens and the beaches. The Moodies and Miss
Williams are planning to leave for where are they going? Aiken,
South Carolina this weekend to spend Thanksgiving with the Moody's
daughter that would be Holtes mom and son in law.
Mister and missus Peter Bolea and their grandsons, Kenneth Wheeler
(02:00:13):
and Alan Blea. Ye, so this article provides credence to
the idea that, at least for a time, the bastard
child Kenneth Wheeler lived with Pete and Ruth and Aiken.
Speaker 6 (02:00:26):
Now what is that?
Speaker 4 (02:00:28):
So?
Speaker 3 (02:00:29):
So now to be a bastard Charlie has been born
after wedlock? Right, Oh, pardon me, I guess you're right now,
before and before wedlock. He was conceived before wedlock because
he was conceived because he was born seven months after
they get married. I just I just do the term
for someone who's living with only one of their two parents,
(02:00:50):
living with a father or a mother. That isn't there.
Speaker 6 (02:00:53):
Biological technically, it's it's the birth. It's the birthing happened
that way. Katerina is the bath child, Blaster Blair.
Speaker 3 (02:01:01):
Child, Kenathan Allen, Missus Moody's mother, Missus Elizabeth of Violet
is already in a sorry.
Speaker 6 (02:01:09):
One other things too.
Speaker 3 (02:01:09):
Isn't it weird?
Speaker 6 (02:01:11):
Isn't it weird to you that because by the time
the nineteen seventies roll around, the Ruth Ruth and Peter Blair,
they're living in Tampa.
Speaker 3 (02:01:23):
Yes, they are they're there.
Speaker 6 (02:01:25):
Isn't it fucking weird that Ray Wheeler after he leaves
Panama in nineteen seventy four, he moves just north of Tampa.
Isn't that fucking weird? That's weird to me?
Speaker 3 (02:01:37):
Well, it was where Panama families thought to migrate. It
was a similar climb, similar temperature. I don't know, that's weird.
They had their societies.
Speaker 6 (02:01:47):
I mean, why not.
Speaker 3 (02:01:48):
Miami, there's plenty more of Florida. Why Tampa? We're not Cuban, brother,
although there's a huge Cuban population in Tampa. What am
I saying?
Speaker 6 (02:01:59):
It just seems weird to me that this guy, I mean,
maybe no because by night, but he's married. But Ken's
married by way by then and and not living there. Yeah,
so why are you moving the fucking why are you
moving there? Brother, Kenny?
Speaker 4 (02:02:17):
Ray?
Speaker 6 (02:02:17):
Ray?
Speaker 14 (02:02:18):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (02:02:18):
Sorry, Rays Kenny?
Speaker 6 (02:02:21):
I know, Ray? Why are you moving to Tampa?
Speaker 4 (02:02:23):
Brother?
Speaker 6 (02:02:25):
Something weird? I think he's still just right to maybe
drive through service, who knows. I think I think he's
ready to pounds on ruth. Yeah, yeah, I think I
think listen.
Speaker 3 (02:02:38):
Dad, you can stop listening here, Dad. Let me see,
let me see the phone, Let me see the phone, Dad.
Why what are they saying? Let me see the phone.
They're talking about my dad? You shut up? Wait a minute,
is it Kenneth Wheeler's turn. We knew that they would, Dad, Dad,
You gotta stop. Okay, you gotta stuff? Are you? You
(02:03:02):
don't you get your fucking paws off me. I'm listening.
Speaker 6 (02:03:05):
I'm gonna call these boys. I'm gonna call them and
give them a peace of mom. If I have problem,
want to give them a whooping.
Speaker 3 (02:03:13):
One day. We just check our inbox and it's subject
line Kenneth Wheeler. Hello, I am ken.
Speaker 6 (02:03:19):
I'm gonna give you boys a whooping. But like ray like,
there's no need, there's no need to go up there.
And look, if you want to look at that, you
look at the timeline a year after I know that
they got married in nineteen forty five, Ruth and Pete
(02:03:40):
they got that's a year after Luisa dies. All right,
there's something going on there. And again this is a
real American family. Let me tell you who it is.
Yes it is.
Speaker 3 (02:03:51):
And look they're staying. They're all in the canal zone
raised there, the ballets are there. I don't know.
Speaker 6 (02:04:03):
Unles's was Plato's retreat down there in fucking canal Zone,
Panama's retreat.
Speaker 3 (02:04:13):
Yeah, we're blasting more than that thin isthmus However, you said, yeah,
but they're all going to They're all going to jump
in the car and go see see the kids in
ac in South Carolina. Just it's so fucking crazy visiting
the Blay family.
Speaker 4 (02:04:28):
So crazy.
Speaker 3 (02:04:28):
So return to Tampa when the Moodies leave South Carolina
the day after Thanksgiving. So they spend Thanksgiving nineteen fifty
two right there in the home that Ruth and Peter
lived in when hul Cogan was born. And there are
our connect our connective tissues, or as John Cena would
put it, our connection system, several conduits to the hulkster here.
(02:04:50):
The connection system was like you, I said, up a
cable box, like, oh my god, did you know? Did
you know that that Ruth's great grandmother was a heart
that I did not know. I don't know. I don't
know if she's a heartheart, But her last name is
hart O great grandmother or great grandmother, that's wood Job
(02:05:15):
great grandmother. You damn right, incest, dude, there's a heart
right there, dude. Fuck do you know that?
Speaker 6 (02:05:23):
Joseph E. Joseph E and Sarah Hart.
Speaker 3 (02:05:26):
That Kenneth Wheeler remarried after Ruth Wait Ken was the
sorry the son, Yes, Yes, Kenneth married Ray. Ray remarried
See Kenneth Ray Wheeler marrying Susan Boone short. Yes, Balboa
(02:05:47):
Canal Zone. Yes, that's well, that's his that's the son.
That's the son.
Speaker 6 (02:05:51):
Okay, that's the that's the one that's listening to. Ray
married Jean after Ruth. Ray was the Yeah.
Speaker 3 (02:06:00):
Ray remarried to Jean and his son married Susan Boone.
Susan Boone Susan Boone short. Yes, the bridegroom is the
son of yes, miss Ruth Bolea of Tampa.
Speaker 6 (02:06:12):
Listen. It is confusing, but the fact because they have
the Ray in between, Yeah, you know, and I get it.
It's the father thing, but it's still fucking annoying. And
at the time that Ken was married here, Ray was
living in Balboa Canal Zone and Ruth Bolea was living
in Tampa and according to the wedding announcement here, So
(02:06:35):
there you go, there you go.
Speaker 3 (02:06:37):
Hmm. Ray Wheeler died in two thousand and six at
the age of ninety. He came to Hudson in nineteen
seventy four from his native en Con, Panama Canal Zone.
He was the district fire commander, yeah, for the Canal
Zone government and Protestant, So it was it was pretty
(02:07:03):
it's a pretty big deal down there was it was
Ray William Wheeler. It certainly does seem that way.
Speaker 6 (02:07:12):
I wish, I just wish there was a fucking I
wish I was able to find some kind of divorced document.
That just kind of fucking pissed me off. There's just
this gap in between of like the after Louisa died,
and you know, there's just again, I am it's it's
got to because of the Panama documents, because it all
(02:07:32):
happened down there, and I don't know, I mean, I
know it's technically would have been like US ship, but
it's just there was not a lot of stuff down there,
a lot of stuff from Panama.
Speaker 3 (02:07:43):
Sadly, what was it? A brief operation? It was a
you know, it was a oh it was a gotta
write this one down. This one's it's it's very important.
It was a slight operation, slight of hand operations, slight operation.
What the fuck is that? What is an operation? Hul
Cogan yes, indeed so, Yes, Wide Operating Maneuvers. Peter does
(02:08:08):
link up with Ruth. They do have a son on
May fifth, nineteen forty seven and kens On, Panama. Yes,
his name is Alan Blea. He is the younger brother
of hul Cogan. He's a former World wrist Wrestling Champion.
Speaker 6 (02:08:28):
But he but he actually he did. He did wrestle
with the original WCW World Champion Championship Rist Wrestling.
Speaker 3 (02:08:39):
Wwwc oh I had w C I had a WCW.
One thing that I read. Yeah, I said World Championship
Risk Wrestling, World Championship Wrestling Council in Puerto Rico. Brother,
of course no longer with us, having passed away at
the age of thirty six in nineteen eighty six. Not
in Tampa, not in huh New Hampshire, not in Panama,
(02:09:02):
but in Hollywood, California. Yes, the first Hogan to go
to Hollywood. That's right, the first Hollywood Hogan. Alan, I
love out with the Hogan name on him.
Speaker 6 (02:09:15):
Listen, come on, listen. If you look at a picture
of him, he is definitely a Hogan.
Speaker 3 (02:09:19):
He's definitely a man. He's definitely not Louke Carper. If
you're wondering, No, he's approaching. However, Louke Carper is, Yes
he is. When you see that picture of him with Terry. Oh,
you imagine if they could talk this kid, this guy
into coming into the business and turning on halt.
Speaker 6 (02:09:37):
How did he not?
Speaker 3 (02:09:38):
That's what I flash of brothers. I hope you because
you know I left most of him.
Speaker 4 (02:09:46):
To you.
Speaker 6 (02:09:47):
Oh, thank god, because I'm like, I'm like, I'm wondering,
how the hell did he not become a wrestler.
Speaker 3 (02:09:53):
Well, he's big, he's got the look. Let's start with
what you know about Alan Peter Balaya.
Speaker 6 (02:10:02):
Sure, well, I know, like you said, May fifth, nineteen
forty seven in Margarita, Panama, Canal Zone. And then there's
this gap of five years. I didn't really have much
before I got the article with them living in Ake
in South Carolina. I did make a note though, in
(02:10:23):
nineteen sixty on something that I was was important to me,
sure because I made note of the death of the
Peter Palia Junior, the real Peter Berlin Junior, because I
found his death certificate and it was interesting to me
(02:10:46):
because he died at the at the at the Hitchcock
Clinic in Hanover, New Hampshire and my dad used to
work there. Oh really yeah, he was part of the
Mary Mary Hitchcock can A Memorial Hospital. He was like
part of that whole for years. He was part of
the Hitchcock Clinic like thing whatever you call it, like
(02:11:08):
the practice like you know, but specifically I used to
I used to go with him to Hanover, New Hampshire
when he'd go to the Hitchcock Clinic Mary Hitchcock Memorial Hospital.
I used to go there with him. So it was
very fascinating to me that, I mean, the fact that
the ballet has come from New Hampshire is just like,
are you kidding me?
Speaker 3 (02:11:28):
It's a lot.
Speaker 6 (02:11:28):
That is a lot. That is a lot. I didn't
even really you know, we I didn't even process that
that's a lot. I mean not only New Hampshire, but
really I grew up in that area when I was
like when I was you know, I grew up in
Sunapee from ages, you know, up till I was seven
years old. My parents lived in Snipee area for fucking
(02:11:49):
fifteen years almost, and I used to go to Hanover
all the time, all the time, and so it was
just like insane that they were right there.
Speaker 3 (02:12:00):
You know, you just think a hunk is like a
Tampa product, you.
Speaker 6 (02:12:05):
Know, exactly, definitely don't think of New England.
Speaker 3 (02:12:08):
You know that he has that New England blood in him.
Speaker 6 (02:12:11):
Is just it's it's bizarre as fuck.
Speaker 3 (02:12:14):
It's a lot to deal with. And the fact that
his father used to lift those heavy rocks.
Speaker 4 (02:12:18):
Brother.
Speaker 3 (02:12:19):
You know, here's I'm gonna send you. You can look
at the death drift you get here.
Speaker 6 (02:12:27):
So many crazy little things like there's so many I
found so many of those manifest too, Like just seeing
how many that Ken wheeler was on, you know, flying
back and forth from Panama.
Speaker 3 (02:12:38):
And beautiful and the death certificate of grandpa father. Yeah, yep,
that's right. It's just fucking wild. It's just weird that
the ship's just sitting there available to people. Well nobody
would you know, it's not whole Covin's it's you gotta
know enough about his family. I didn't even know this
(02:13:00):
guy has anything to do with Hull Cogan, which is
why it's so fascinating to me, because it's like you're
seeing things. Yeah, birth place Italy there it is, ye,
carcinoma of the stomach and metastatic carcinomatosis was the cause
of death. What do you have, copd brother, what dude
concerning issue?
Speaker 4 (02:13:25):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (02:13:26):
Yeah, I'm ready to get to know Alan.
Speaker 6 (02:13:28):
I am ready to get to know Alan.
Speaker 3 (02:13:34):
Nineteen sixty five. Marriage license application off P bole Born
to Martha Alfonso twenty This poor fucking woman nineteen seventy two.
Bar closes after dispute. After a rash of fist fights
(02:13:56):
in a barroom dispute which resulted in the arrest of
six persons, police closed the McDill Tavern, sixty one hundred
South McDill Avenue in Tampa. Police said three persons involved
in the brawl had to be taken to Tampa General
Hospital for treatment. Investigating officers said the fight broke out
when several men inside the tavern became involved in a quarrel.
(02:14:17):
When officers arrived at the scene, they found the place
turned inside out. They said tables and stools had been
thrown throughout the bar, with several persons sitting around and
badly beaten. Taken to the hospital for treatment of injuries,
where Millie C. Lowery thirty seven, Rogers Meyers twenty four,
and yes Allan Bolea twenty five, Another article on the
(02:14:40):
same incident. A barroom brawl resulted in three people being
taken to hospital for treatment and six persons arrested by
Tampa police, who closed down the McDill tavern late Tuesday,
Police officials reported. Patrolman said the f ray evidently began
between several men in the tavern shortly after ten pm.
Officers said when they arrived, they found a and sitting
(02:15:00):
on a bar stool bleeding from the face and head,
A woman was lying unconscious across a pool table, and
another man had reportedly taken from the tavern suffering from
a bullet. Yeah, so what, the officer said. Tables and
stools had been thrown throughout the bar, and they offered,
(02:15:22):
and they and they ordered the place to close for
the night. Police said that match Hillie Lowry, Alan Boleya,
and Roger Myers were taking to Tampa General for treatment
of minor injuries. Total of six persons were arrested, either
as assault suspects or as material witnesses. Police said. However,
as of yesterday afternoon, no charges had been filed in
connection with the incident. Following that brawl, However, police did
(02:15:44):
file aggravated assault charges against yes yes, Alan Blea, What
what happened?
Speaker 6 (02:15:57):
What made him.
Speaker 3 (02:16:01):
Be so much trouble? We'll get there.
Speaker 6 (02:16:06):
We know why, because it just I just don't see it,
like he seems like he had a decent childhood. Like
I'm trying to put this together, and it does not
seem to make sense to me why he suddenly became
this troublemaker.
Speaker 3 (02:16:19):
Glad you said it. Nineteen seventy four. Dissolution of marriage,
final judgment, Alan Key and Martha Bolea, dissolution of marriage.
It's over or believe it's over?
Speaker 4 (02:16:31):
Brother.
Speaker 3 (02:16:32):
Yeah, so Alan's already starting to rack him up. There's
a piece of paper from Tampa. This is from nineteen
and seventy. Why this is so hard to find? The
date nineteen seventy The cause coming on to be heard
(02:16:53):
this day on plaintiff motion for entry of final judgment
on defendant's default, and it appearing to the court that
a default has been due and regularly filed against the defendant,
Alan Peter Bolea and Martha Bolea, and plaintiff having filed
an affidavit of amount due and other pleadings, and the
defendant the plaintiff here is Sun Finance and Loan Company
(02:17:13):
they obtained a judgment to recover an amount of four
hundred and eighty six dollars and fifty seven cents as principal,
one hundred and sixty nine dollars and sixty eight cents
of interest, and one hundred and forty eight dollars, which
is hereby found it to be a reasonable attorney's fee,
and the sum of sixteen dollars and twelve census court
costs for a total sum of eight hundred and twenty
dollars and thirty seven cents here in Hillsbury County, Florida,
(02:17:35):
May nineteen seventy. So there are I don't know if
they're on the run necessarily, but they are not paying
back this finance and loan company the happy couple prior
to the dissolution of marriage. So there's already something here.
There's already something going on. There's already but they're already
leaving debts in the dust. And it is why dissolution
of marriage. March twenty seventh, nineteen seventy four. It's published
(02:17:57):
in the Tampa Tribune. In that same year, Alan Bulay
is listed as marrying a Dorothy d Evans. Yes, that
would be May sixteen, nineteen seventy four that they marry. Okay,
so we're talking about a difference of three months less
than three months. Nineteen seventy six marriage license application. Oh,
this one, fucking this one, this one fucking gets me.
(02:18:18):
Alan Peter Bolaya twenty eight, Yvonne Marguerite twenty four. Well,
hold on though, the happy couple, hold on though. Oh yeah.
Speaker 6 (02:18:28):
The end of the marriage of Dorothy Dale happened two
days before he married von Popler January twenty seven, nineteen
seventy six. He is the end of the marriage of
Dorothy Dale Evans and then he marries Yvon Popler's fine
two days Lai, Yeah, totally.
Speaker 3 (02:18:49):
It's definitely not setting a pattern for his brother to
follow all the way to his grave, which is great.
So yeah, the first wife, the one that they had
the judgment there against, Martha, Martha al Fonso, is on
her way. She's going to go live her own life.
And apparently she's she's mother to some children with Alan.
Speaker 4 (02:19:10):
She is.
Speaker 3 (02:19:13):
And in nineteen seventy eight, oh Man, the following appears
in the Tampa newspaper. Arthur Blia, thirty three of Tampa,
died Wednesday. She was a lifetime resident of Tampa, where
she was employed as a waitress. Survivors, all of Tampa,
include one son, Michael, who is yes Horace Hogan Oh Rochie,
(02:19:34):
two daughters Victory See they were from Miami. Two daughters
Vicki and Melissa. Three brothers Anthony, Andrew and Eugene. Her
parents mister and missus Tony C. L. Fonso, and two
sisters Diane Massey no relation to the young Bucks and
Solviac tra Anthon. How did she die? Boss?
Speaker 6 (02:19:59):
She was shot to death in a fucking bar.
Speaker 3 (02:20:02):
Woman killed, man wounded and shooting at Tampa Hotel bar.
A woman was killed, a man wounded, and another man
charged with first degree murder early Thursday after a shooting
in a Tampa bar. According to Tampa police, well, what
who shooting? What about my attorney's part of the Tampa bar?
Speaker 6 (02:20:20):
Dude, who's shooting?
Speaker 4 (02:20:23):
Brother?
Speaker 3 (02:20:24):
I wonder? Yes, it's paranoia about it exactly? Is sister
in law ex sister in law Martha shot upon? Martha
Alfonso boleya thirty three seven eight oh six harshrom Place
was shot several times while in the bar at the
Admiral Benbow Inn on Northwest Shore Boulevard. Police said she
was rushed to Saint Joseph's Hospital, where she died a
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short time later. According to police, Boleia had been arguing
with an acquaintance in the lounge before she was shot.
Tony and Jemmy thirty six, a New Jersey man who
intervened in the argument, was shot in the arm. Police said.
Hector Carbonell, forty six, was arrested a short time later.
Police said that in one thing I read that it
(02:21:07):
that he might have been a former boyfriend. Yes, Hector Carbonell,
that's what Hulkogan claims. Okay, well, this is the Tampa
Times too. Person indeed was a a boyfriend. Carbonell was
charged with aggravated battery in addition to a murder charge
in connection with this incident. Later, a jury would indict
(02:21:29):
Hector Carbonell on one count of first degree murder and
one count of attempted at first degree murder in connection
with the episode. Now, I can't did it, Okay, you
couldn't find anything. I can't tell you what happened to
Hector Carbonell after he was indicted. But I see no
evidence that he was convicted of anything. I see no
(02:21:50):
evidence that anything happened, disappeared the next the next thing
that that I the next thing because I was looked
up too. I was looking up to Carbonell and the
next thing is this Caranell junior, which is not him,
which is not him? In the same family. Yeah right,
there's a family in Miami. There was a Hector Carbonell
who was like in the New York Times for being
involved in like trying to murder a Cuban exile or
(02:22:13):
being involved in some kind of component. I don't want
to cast aspersions where they shouldn't be cast, but his
name is involved in articles of like politically motivated assassinations
by Cuban exiles in Miami. And the guy's just he's young,
he's younger, then.
Speaker 6 (02:22:26):
He's twine, right, he's because Carbonet This Carbonet was it
was forty six, I think.
Speaker 3 (02:22:30):
At the time of the shooting of Martha fo Yeah. Correct, Like,
but what what's just what's just weird to me. It's
not even that he disappears, it's that the whole thing disappeared.
Whole thing. There's a woman was murdered. Was there justice
or was there not?
Speaker 6 (02:22:44):
He's indicted, Okay, he's indicted. Fourteen days after the report
of the murder, fourteen days he's indicted.
Speaker 3 (02:22:53):
I turned as many court systems as I could find,
upside down, left and right, shook the trees. It's an old,
old case. But there should be something on a murder.
There should be some paper somewhere, and it's just not discoverable,
not even a dismissal, like the fact that there's like nothing.
The papers didn't cover it. Yeah, the papers knew about
the incident. The papers published an article about his indictment,
(02:23:15):
but they didn't follow up as to whether he actually
ever sound guilty or.
Speaker 6 (02:23:19):
Ever went to trial, Like, what's up with the hector? Yeah,
where are you?
Speaker 3 (02:23:26):
Hector? Ohn't ask that question. All I know. All I
know is when did the shooting happen? In nineteen seventy,
nineteen seventy eight, and in seventy three July. In seventy three,
he married Evelyn Smith, so I don't know if he
was divorced by then, but he uh, Martha wasn't his
first flame. We can say that. M Yeah, they did
(02:23:49):
get divorced. Actually, they were divorced in seventy three, so
the marriage was consummated. June sixth, nineteen seventy three, according
to the Tampa Tribune, and as of August eighth, nineteen
seventy three, the marria was dissolved. Dissolved. What did Alan
Bullia go on to do? Why was his ex wife
(02:24:11):
in the crosshairs of this horrendous situation? It's all good questions,
And I think the most we're gonna learn about it
is probably from Hulk himself, okay, who in his books
told us a hell of a lot about Alan and
what he was about. And Brother, we're going to start
(02:24:35):
at the beginning and take it all the way, dude,
We're going to take it all the way. We're gonna
sprinkle in some color that we can add to the
Hulks Hulk's recollections of Alan. So if you can stand
by here, boss, yes, and warm up those pipes, because
(02:24:57):
here we go, Alan Leah on the complete Hulk Hogan,
take it away.
Speaker 6 (02:25:09):
Alan, Alan Balze my brother, Alan, who I share a
room with in my little house on Paul Avenue, was
about eight years older than me. So he was a
big kid. Even wait so because he's eight years older
(02:25:30):
than you, he's a big kid. That's what we're saying here.
He's eight years old me. So he's so he's a
big kid.
Speaker 3 (02:25:37):
Well, complaining to compared to him, he was, yeah, well,
I mean, I guess, but just because he's eight years older,
he doesn't mean he's a fucking big kid. His first book,
For what It's worth, Hulk says, Allen was seven or
eight years older than I was. I know, I was
born in forty seven, but he was like seven or
eight years older. I just I just don't know his birthday. Brother,
And all I know is it tore the muscles in
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my back. Brother, what.
Speaker 6 (02:26:00):
Even a teen who's a big kid? Even a teenager.
You know, by the time I started I started having
real memories of him, well, nothing stood out much in
the early years. We were like normal brothers, I guess.
Speaker 3 (02:26:13):
You know.
Speaker 6 (02:26:13):
The thing I remember most is him putting our parents
through so much crap in his teen years. I was
always drinking, it's always fighting.
Speaker 3 (02:26:26):
You know.
Speaker 6 (02:26:26):
It's a lot of brag about. But he had a
reputation Port Tampa being a crazy motherfucker.
Speaker 3 (02:26:34):
Port Tampa. That's the part of Tampa that Hulpe was
from that has this you know kind of it's kind
of hard scrabble. It's not the nicest part of Portland.
It's Tampa. It's kind of the kind of the poorest part.
Sure he was a big guy like me, but inn't
high behind that perceived s O G persona. What's that
(02:26:55):
U S O G persona? I don't know, son of
Son of God.
Speaker 6 (02:26:59):
I tried to right. Yeah, he was a real tough guy.
And while I didn't do any drugs, Alan and his
buddies were into everything. I didn't realize that at the time,
but what they liked to do was drop acid, get drunk,
and the fight. That was their deal. Every Friday and
Saturday night, that's what they did. Get drunk, drop acid,
and go looking for fights. Alan was always getting put
(02:27:21):
in jail. They're always get in trouble. It just drove
my parents crazy. It was a nightmare for them. And
seventeen Allan up and married this girl named Martha Alfonso
and they moved from Paul Avenue like two streets back
and six blocks down to a house in the corner
of Ballast Point Boulevard. These are very specific details.
Speaker 3 (02:27:42):
I don't understand why he says all the street names.
I don't know what he gets out of that. I
don't know either, Like there are so few people in
this world who are reading this book who have a
point of reference with that, Like I have no fucking
idea about Paul Avenue and Ballast Point Boulevard. They ended
up having three kids, and even that didn't slow Alan down.
(02:28:02):
Only now instead of him buying his bringing his trouble
to roughly to our house, Martha will go over to
tell us the news, and well.
Speaker 6 (02:28:08):
He's not home, he's drunk.
Speaker 3 (02:28:10):
He's down the road and he's in a fight and
the guys and the guys, I got knocked out, yep,
knocked out. I got knocked out like Raymisterio, like a vader.
Yeah right, so we all go down to wherever he was.
It was always like it's just a drunken mess with
all kinds of cussing and blood, right cussing in blood.
(02:28:31):
And those are the two things I put together in that.
I mean, just over and over every weekend. It was
something it seemed to me like Alean loved the drama,
like he somehow fed off that craziness, like Alen needed
that anger in his life to keep to keep a living.
I remember, when I was about sixteen years old, he
almost sucked me into it. I was at the house
and out of nowhere, Alan came crashing through the door,
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brother and hurt inside. What are you doing, dude? What
are you crack the brother? When do you crashed through
the front door? Come straight up, dude. You're coming at
your ride open dude, you're coming from the front drawer
at the back door. Brother, I'll be concerned. Did you
turn the nose up on this thing?
Speaker 1 (02:29:06):
Dude?
Speaker 3 (02:29:07):
Trying to roll me up? Dude? What did Why you
turn your nose up at me?
Speaker 4 (02:29:09):
Brother?
Speaker 3 (02:29:10):
Brother?
Speaker 6 (02:29:10):
What's in there?
Speaker 3 (02:29:12):
Dude? What are you doing, dude? Exactly exactly? Will you
dropping acid?
Speaker 4 (02:29:17):
Brother?
Speaker 3 (02:29:17):
You're dropping the You're dropping the title?
Speaker 6 (02:29:20):
Dropping the acid is dude? What dropping? I'm not dropping title?
Speaker 3 (02:29:23):
Brother? You drop? Tell you what allen? You drop the acid?
I'll drop this.
Speaker 6 (02:29:27):
Title, dude, Brother, I'm not dropping title.
Speaker 3 (02:29:29):
Dude.
Speaker 6 (02:29:30):
What are you drizzopping?
Speaker 4 (02:29:31):
Brother?
Speaker 3 (02:29:33):
Got that drizz? Dude, dot you got that drizz? Great question? Wait,
look you want to put him on the spot. That's
what you ask him. It's a question his mother wants
to ask him, but she's too afraid of the answer. Alan,
what the fuck is with your DRIs and you're drizzen
up again? H Terry, Hi, Terrence brother, my name. Guys,
(02:29:55):
you ever heard anyone heard from Canneth? I miss Kenneth
I so much that hurts. Do you think he went
to the memorial service? Oh?
Speaker 9 (02:30:05):
I I I I.
Speaker 3 (02:30:06):
Oh God. Part of me wants to say yes, party
wants to say no. You realize that Kenneth is a
Hulax Rod McMahon, right, Oh, I know, I know he's
out there.
Speaker 6 (02:30:16):
Jesus, yep, he's he is the existing one. That's just
it's just fucking crazy. It's also crazy too, I mean,
they're just how many of it's it's it's it's weird
how many of all these people are dead because even
(02:30:38):
at this point, all of Alan's wives are dead. Yep too,
Like there's just it's just death. There aren't that many
people who are still alive. From the Balaya side. It's
a very weird thing. Like Ken's it. Ken's the last
(02:31:00):
peace brother, like I never thought that Ken would have
last I know, Terry, I know.
Speaker 3 (02:31:11):
No, So you know what.
Speaker 6 (02:31:14):
I was not the house out of nowhere. Alan came
crashing through the front door like a movie scene. His
eye was swollen shut and blood was everywhere, and he
was really selling it, dude, right, Oh my, Louie demy,
do you need to come with me?
Speaker 4 (02:31:28):
Bro a.
Speaker 6 (02:31:31):
Damn right, my it was a real I was a
real big kid then, right. So Alan tried to wrote
me in to help him fight back. This guy down
here at this guy down here at the trophy room
hit me in the eye with acoustick, he said, because
it's my brother, I didn't know any better. I hopped
in the car and drove down there, and the two
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Bula brothers go power walking into this bar with our
chest all pumped up. I'm sixteen looking for some guy
that hit my brother in the eye with acoustick. And
by the time we got there, the guy and his
buddies are all taken off, thank God. But stuff like
that all the time. You know, somehow, we all just
knew that it would end real bad for Allen.
Speaker 3 (02:32:12):
Someday. It almost happened before I was out of high school.
Speaker 4 (02:32:15):
You know.
Speaker 6 (02:32:15):
One night, I'm pulling in my parents' driveway and this
Dodge Mopar who cares this Dodge Mopar roadrunner road around
half the time, you know, you just must have been
near midnight. Before I even turn off the ignission, someone
comes pulling up in a car and starts shouting to me,
your brother's just been shot. Your brother's been shot at
the McDill taverns. These details are just fucking bizarre to me.
Speaker 3 (02:32:38):
It doesn't say that he was shot so that he
was charged with battery.
Speaker 6 (02:32:44):
Maybe he was shot with a battery. I couldn't believe it.
I'm back the car to the driveway. I hauled the
ass down to McDill but dill Avenue going eighty ninety
one hundred miles, and he fucking added it up like
I had going miles an hour, dude, and fifty and eighties.
Speaker 3 (02:33:02):
We've internalized all this shit. Yeah, we think we're predicting,
but but he actually is so in our head that
we're we're repeating things we know he said without realizing it.
Speaker 6 (02:33:13):
Yeah, yeah, I think you're right. I got there within
two or three minutes. Now I can see all the
cops down outside. I thought that was it from my brother.
My brother was not really found. From more I could
piece together, Alan had been down at the Silver Dollar.
I thought he was at the fucking McDill tavern. Now
is it the silver Dollar? I'll be down at the
silver Dollar. One of these real hardcore bars by the docks.
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He got into fight like usual and be of a
couple of real people, real bad. He and his buddies
were high at kites doing that, LSD doing that LSD
and drew zinking like they always did. As soon as
they left. You know, someone of the Silver Dollar called
h McDill tavern and Warren. Yeah, you know, Alan Bla
(02:33:56):
is on his way up, dude, that's that.
Speaker 3 (02:34:00):
That is not what you want to hear.
Speaker 6 (02:34:03):
Alan Bulay is headed your way and he's really really
messed up, because that's they fucking did too. They're freaking
Oh my god, it's Alan Blay. He's coming up.
Speaker 3 (02:34:10):
He's head in your way.
Speaker 6 (02:34:13):
Oh yeah. When Alan walked into the bar and asked
for a drink, the bar made the bar maid where
the fuck is what is wrong with him? The bar
maid refused to serving. Was she also wearing like a
fucking you know, like German bar made outfit?
Speaker 3 (02:34:28):
Is that what she was doing to be what he's envisioning? Yeah,
kind of like he wore when he wore the Leader.
Speaker 6 (02:34:40):
So grabbed her by the back of the head and
threatened her, and when she told him to get out
of the bar, he pushed her head down on the counter. Now,
I don't know if he pushed it or slept. Brother,
who's pushing.
Speaker 3 (02:34:50):
Dude, that's where the battery charge came from. Okay, if
he pushed or he slammed it? Brother, Now we're dude, brother,
did you say she got to push it? Officer? Did
you say she got a push?
Speaker 14 (02:35:01):
Just quickly? Brother?
Speaker 3 (02:35:03):
Dude?
Speaker 6 (02:35:04):
Are you saying that that she got to push at
Mace Lander?
Speaker 3 (02:35:07):
Brother? What's going on? Dude?
Speaker 4 (02:35:10):
Right?
Speaker 6 (02:35:10):
Wait?
Speaker 3 (02:35:10):
As help women? Its Vince talking to Allen. Well, did
you know hell one? Does he have the title? Brother? Good?
World Champion Alan Hogan comes help comes to visit in
eighty five. He's he's a made man. He's on MTV.
He's the man comes to seatl when they come through LA.
(02:35:33):
You know, work in the Olympic and that's where I
was living at the time. Allen, So he goes to
visit him and brother, Wow, look at this pad. Dude's
pretty nice. Brother, You have more space than I thought,
so sonight, all right, you got the nice kitchenett here, brother,
you've been cooking up some steaks or what? Dude, what
are we having for dinner?
Speaker 12 (02:35:48):
Huh?
Speaker 3 (02:35:48):
I don't know. Terry we're gonna have to find out. Brother.
You say brother too, that's weird because you're my brother.
So yeah, that's brother. Well, let's let's sit down. We'll
sit down the living room and we'll do'll chop it up, brother,
hurt from you so long, it'll be great. We talk turkey.
Speaker 4 (02:36:04):
Sit down.
Speaker 3 (02:36:04):
Yeah, I'll sit You'll all sit right here in this
chair next to the telephone. Brother. Uh, there's at enough
space for me. I'm so bloated right now, you know why.
So he sits down. Terry sits down his American Maid
T shirt with skin tight like red gym pants on
like he wore to walk out from one socks over
the pants. Yes, yes, he sits down like he's like
(02:36:25):
he's a fucking revolutionary time for God's sake. And the
telephone is right there next to Hulk on his right,
on a little small table like you'd have a telephone
on in those days. And he uh he as he
sits next to Alan, who's sitting on the couch right
next to him, kind of adjacent to him. Halt's eyes
quickly just kind of dart down. He looks at the
telephone and he darts and looks slightly to the right
(02:36:46):
of the telephone and there's a slip of paper, And
on the slip of paper next to Alan's phone, it says,
call Vince.
Speaker 4 (02:36:55):
Do you broll?
Speaker 3 (02:36:58):
What's going on?
Speaker 6 (02:36:58):
Dude?
Speaker 3 (02:36:59):
He wants to do?
Speaker 6 (02:37:00):
Is Man, where you been?
Speaker 4 (02:37:00):
Brother?
Speaker 3 (02:37:02):
Off for a while? Dude, I'll do fine.
Speaker 4 (02:37:04):
Man.
Speaker 3 (02:37:04):
It's you know, I love the weather out here and
I'm trying to stay out of trouble. It's it's you know,
the bars aren't as crazy as they were in Tampa,
so I'm not as tempted to fuck people up all
the time.
Speaker 6 (02:37:13):
But brother, I'm digging that. Dude.
Speaker 3 (02:37:14):
I appreciate that. Brother.
Speaker 6 (02:37:16):
I I thought, you know, it's uh, you know, what's uh,
what's all? You know, what's all my his horizon?
Speaker 3 (02:37:20):
Brother? Man, what's Let you ask you that question? Man,
I've seen you on TV. It's such a trip to
see all the success you're having. I'm so proud of
your brother. But you know, for me, I'm just I'm
trying to do the arm wrestling thing.
Speaker 8 (02:37:30):
You know.
Speaker 3 (02:37:30):
A couple of clubs pay me to show up and compete,
and you know, I'm I got the carpet cleaning business,
and uh, you know, I got six ex wives behind
me and we're just trying to, you know, build a
life here. I got married in Las Vegas for no reason.
So yeah, all right, are you.
Speaker 6 (02:37:56):
Talking to Vince?
Speaker 3 (02:37:58):
What do you mean? What do you mean? What do
you mean, Vince? What do you mean? Brother? What I'm
a quan dude, that's not don't play how the ball dude?
What do you mean? You're talking to Vince? Vince? Who
I mean? I know I know a couple of Vinces.
Speaker 6 (02:38:19):
Brother, brother, Dude, whoa, whoa? What are you saying?
Speaker 3 (02:38:23):
I don't know Vince? Brother?
Speaker 6 (02:38:24):
Is that what you're saying? Brother, You're saying that I
don't know Vince met a brother, two vinces. I know
I met here. So that's the problem, brother, I know.
There are more than two vinces.
Speaker 3 (02:38:35):
Dude. Oh yeah, of course there's more than two vinces
in the world, Terry. I'm not saying they're not. I'm
just saying I don't think you know the vinces I know.
So it's weird that you would ask brother, brother. Okay,
So that's the problem, dude, that's exactly the problem. Why
don't I know the vinces?
Speaker 4 (02:38:51):
You know?
Speaker 3 (02:38:51):
Where did this come from? Why all of a sudden
did you would you mention Vince? Wait where did this
come from?
Speaker 13 (02:38:55):
You?
Speaker 10 (02:38:55):
Right?
Speaker 3 (02:38:55):
Dude, where did this come from?
Speaker 4 (02:38:56):
Brother? What you know?
Speaker 3 (02:38:58):
What's going on? What are you talking about coming here
and come at me like this in my own house? Like, brother,
what are you saying We're gonna come at me?
Speaker 4 (02:39:03):
Dude?
Speaker 6 (02:39:03):
You just said you're gonna come at me? Brother, Why
are you talking to Vince? Dude?
Speaker 3 (02:39:08):
Vince the guy down the street that I met at
the at the bar.
Speaker 6 (02:39:12):
On the street right now, he's but what he's supposed
to be the Hilton.
Speaker 3 (02:39:18):
Dude, he's here right now. Brother.
Speaker 6 (02:39:20):
You see you've been shocking up with Vince. Brother, you
get a bush.
Speaker 3 (02:39:31):
He's trying to help swap you in Alan Hogan.
Speaker 6 (02:39:34):
Like are we trying to do dude? We're trying to
Holgan swap brother. Like people can't tell the difference, dude, Like,
well just take one Hogan for another.
Speaker 3 (02:39:46):
Brother. We were talking about what I mean, I know,
I know there's a lot of good drugs on the road,
a lot of pure cocaine.
Speaker 6 (02:39:50):
Whoa, whoa, whoa whoa dude. Whoe brother, you've been doing
coke with Vince.
Speaker 3 (02:39:54):
Dude. I don't even know Vince does drugs. I only
I only met him like a month ago. If that's
the one you're talking about, brother, a month ago, Dude,
he's going to give it and he's he's having to
go over me to night. Brother. Well, you're right, you're
match tonight. What was happening tonight?
Speaker 6 (02:40:14):
Well can you tell me what's happened to night?
Speaker 8 (02:40:15):
Brother?
Speaker 3 (02:40:16):
Becau.
Speaker 6 (02:40:16):
Aparently you were in on the fucking creative circle. Brother,
I gotta return a few phone I got no fucking
creative control program, got no plans.
Speaker 11 (02:40:23):
I saw you.
Speaker 3 (02:40:24):
You got the whole fucking power.
Speaker 9 (02:40:25):
Brother.
Speaker 3 (02:40:25):
Apparently there's a new fucking Hogan in town. What's it? Brother,
I have nothing planned for tonight. Terry's just gonna return
a few phone.
Speaker 6 (02:40:33):
Brother, Yeah, I have the planned Brother, He's not that
you're gonna show me in the ring?
Speaker 4 (02:40:37):
What is it?
Speaker 3 (02:40:39):
Get one, dude, right in the middle of the ring.
Take my title. I'm just I'm just gonna return a
few phone calls. That's all I plan on doing tonight
and call it a night. You call him in the ring, Brother,
I'm gonna call after you leave. Ye, right after you leave,
I'm gonna return a few calls. I was told to
(02:41:01):
wait for you to well, forget it.
Speaker 6 (02:41:05):
I'm not leaving.
Speaker 3 (02:41:05):
Dude. Did you have a match tonight? You're gonna get
a lot of trouble if you know show you tell me?
Speaker 12 (02:41:12):
So?
Speaker 3 (02:41:13):
How do you know that? Brother?
Speaker 1 (02:41:14):
What?
Speaker 14 (02:41:15):
What?
Speaker 3 (02:41:20):
How do you? Who have you been talking to you?
When you talking about talking a lot? Patterson?
Speaker 4 (02:41:26):
Dude?
Speaker 3 (02:41:27):
Patterson? Brother? Wait?
Speaker 11 (02:41:29):
Do you know?
Speaker 3 (02:41:29):
Give you a call?
Speaker 6 (02:41:29):
Did you talk to Geno?
Speaker 3 (02:41:30):
Brother? Ga? I was putting?
Speaker 6 (02:41:33):
Who's putting over? Who's putting?
Speaker 13 (02:41:35):
What?
Speaker 3 (02:41:39):
Who said?
Speaker 6 (02:41:39):
You're going over? Brother Scholand?
Speaker 3 (02:41:52):
Who said going over? Brother Scotland? I Terry, you're throwing
these names at me. I don't even know when Arnold scholland.
Speaker 2 (02:42:03):
Who brow out?
Speaker 6 (02:42:05):
He said?
Speaker 3 (02:42:06):
I said, Arnold Schoold?
Speaker 4 (02:42:07):
Brother?
Speaker 3 (02:42:07):
What do you mean I'll say about Martin Scoland? Martin Scotland.
I don't know whom either?
Speaker 6 (02:42:12):
My next door neighbor. Dude, who are you talking about?
Speaker 3 (02:42:15):
Brother? You're talking mat Did you say Arnold Scoland? You
just said?
Speaker 6 (02:42:23):
Are you said what?
Speaker 3 (02:42:29):
Terry? I think it's time for you to go. I
think it's time for you to go, brother.
Speaker 6 (02:42:32):
It's time for us to go home. Dude and hold around, brother.
I'll tell you what I'll tell you what will happen? Brother,
I'll tell you.
Speaker 3 (02:42:39):
Shut up. Brother, this what's gonna happen? Dude? Lay down, brother,
right now on your fucking floor. Dude, lay down? What
are you talking about? Laying down?
Speaker 6 (02:42:49):
Your fucking give me one of your fake wrestling moves. Brother,
laid down, brother, Get your ass on the floor. You
fucked down, brother. I'm not gonna lay.
Speaker 3 (02:43:02):
Down, Terry. This is ridiculous. I'm your older brother. You
lay down for me. You get over your Terry. Damn it,
you along your motherfucker. I'll fuck your face off. I'll
shoot you like Masa. Why are you're gonna shoot me? Dude,
I'm here, fucking brother, I'm running for you.
Speaker 2 (02:43:19):
Dude.
Speaker 3 (02:43:20):
You ain't no fucking brother.
Speaker 9 (02:43:21):
Revein.
Speaker 3 (02:43:21):
Man, I'm gonna tell ma and then both shut your
hand off of brother. I'm Meagine the phone, dude, Terry. No,
don't try my house, do dude, don't I that's the phone.
I bet the fucking phone. Brother, How old this is
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fucking Allen's house? Dude, Terry, calm the fuck down. Alan
looks down at his shoes with his hands in his pocket. Darry,
Terry Allen, Terry Allen, call the wrong guy, just try
(02:44:10):
to You're trying to poach the wrong guy. Is Terry
Allen's house.
Speaker 6 (02:44:15):
It's like a fucking pistol out there. Goddamn revolver, Vince.
Why do you have this number?
Speaker 3 (02:44:21):
Brother? But why are you calling Alan? Dude? Terry? Terry?
Speaker 6 (02:44:25):
Just calm down, all right, Just calm down, brook Way
Ane calling Alan dude, Terry. Just bear with me, Okay,
just listen. Everything is okay, Everything is okay. I'm all
the vinces that that Allen knows, I'm all of them.
(02:44:49):
But I just want you to know something. Okay, very simple,
all right. You can trust me, Terry. You can trust me.
Speaker 3 (02:44:59):
Tonight.
Speaker 6 (02:45:00):
Yeah, you're going to put Alan over for the title. Yeah,
Alan's the new Hulk Hogan.
Speaker 4 (02:45:08):
What what.
Speaker 3 (02:45:10):
Sh sh Alan Hogan.
Speaker 6 (02:45:19):
Is going to be we're going to have because you
know what, because we're going to do some more tapings
than Alan Town just makes sense.
Speaker 3 (02:45:36):
Never was comfortable working Allentown, Pa. Drop back bad Memories
where Juju you know.
Speaker 4 (02:45:44):
And what that?
Speaker 3 (02:45:45):
And Alan was dead within a year. Take of that
way you're.
Speaker 6 (02:45:52):
LSD I know, push, It's that's how we got here.
I'm trying to know where what's the clue here? Where
did we go?
Speaker 4 (02:46:01):
Now?
Speaker 6 (02:46:01):
I don't know if he pushed it or slammed it down.
Huge question. There are different accounts of what happened. They're
always different accounts in his situations like that brother.
Speaker 3 (02:46:14):
Okay, everybody, he knows all the accounts. But everybody that
I agreed to, everyone I talked to, agreed that her
face hit the bar. Okay, great stuff, Terry. So the
bar made pulled a gun front of the counter and
shot Alan. Shit, my brother, tough guy that he was.
So two bullets fell down in the dirt. Wait, is
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he in a fucking bar? Dirt? For it's a rodeo?
Speaker 6 (02:46:41):
Was that fucking the bar? In the wrestler? Fucking Dusty
and right.
Speaker 3 (02:46:47):
Dusty and other Florida headliners there, fell down on the dirt,
picked himself up, brushed himself off, and drove himself to
the hospital for the cops. Even arrived, I said, Alan
was going crazy, motherfucker. The doctors managed to get one
of the bullets out, but they couldn't remove the second one.
It was too close to his spine, so it stayed
in the spine. These are all clues here. There are
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all clues here. So stayed in Allen's back the rest
of his life. I didn't slow him down, though, a
few months later, right when he was getting ready to
go to go to trial, Alan disappeared. I found out
later that he moved to Houston, Texas, where he hung
out for a while and held down different jobs. He
changed his name, but he didn't change his attitude. He
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got in all kinds of trouble there too. What is
that he changed his name?
Speaker 6 (02:47:36):
Did you find it?
Speaker 3 (02:47:38):
I don't know where he changed his name too. Why
would he change his name? I guess why would he
change it?
Speaker 6 (02:47:43):
Back?
Speaker 3 (02:47:44):
As my question?
Speaker 6 (02:47:45):
Yeah, right, the fighting has never stopped. He kept in
touch with my parents, and I'd hear from him every
now and then and then, but I never really saw
it again until my wrestling career career was in high gear.
Speaker 3 (02:47:57):
Tour of ninety five. Absolutely Jesus, he says in his
first book about Alan, and I remember how upset my
mother and father used to get when they found out
my brother had gotten into another fight. They were always
trying to figure out why he was getting into trouble,
always trying to piece it together. They would always say
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they weren't going to help him anymore. But of course
they helped him anyway. So there was a lot of
turmoil in my house, a lot of talking to and
about Alan. He also remembers how his mother sometimes would,
you know, say Alan, just I mean Terry. Ye know
how that goes right?
Speaker 6 (02:48:34):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (02:48:34):
And that gets in his head over time, like why
is it always Alan first?
Speaker 4 (02:48:37):
You know?
Speaker 3 (02:48:37):
Why they always thinking about Alan? Why do they love
Alan when he's such a fuck up? While Terry's playing
with Tonka trucks in the yard and stuffing rocks up
his nose. So we resurface. Alan Bula resurfaces in eighty
six in terms of newspapers. In eighty five, as his brother,
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of course, becomes the Hulk Hogan on national television. Allen's
opened up a business. He filed a December twenty eighth,
nineteen eighty four in California to open a business called
Preferred Carpet Care in Petaluma, California, and signed he filed
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the county clerk on January ninth, nineteen eighty six. I'm
not sure the difference between the two dates here, but
it seems like you created the business in eighty four
and got some kind of a some kind of official
documentation in eighty six, so he's running a carpet cleaning business.
And this is where all of a sudden, the local
Pedaluma newspaper picks up on the fact that Hull Cogan,
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the Hulk Hogan's brother is living among us. Appeared in
the Petaluma Argus Courier newspaper in April second, nineteen eighty five,
so right around the time days after Hul Cogan took
the stage at WrestleMania one. Today, Hulk Cogan is one
of the most sought after personalities in the country. He's
seen on major TV shows Liner in Japan, and his brother,
Alan Bolea recently moved to Petaluma. Alan and his wife
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Marcia and family live in an eastern section of our city.
And Marcia, I don't know why I said Marcia, it's
a weird way to pronounce it. They got married according
to what I was able to find in nineteen eighty
in Washo A, Nevada, Nevada. Yes, yes, I made a
(02:50:26):
name was Marshall in Morlat and she passed away, which
just last year. Yeah, which, by the way, that was
my connective. Remember I sent you that the grave. Yes,
that's her brother who is on who's on top.
Speaker 6 (02:50:41):
Of him figured that out. All yep, wow, good for you, man.
I never saw it, just so you know, So I
so I found Alan's Allen's like where he's buried. He's
buried at the uh Forest Lawn Cemetery in and Hollywood,
(02:51:01):
and he's in one of the mausoleums. If you've ever
been to there, you know they got these beautiful mausoleums
and and people like, you know, I don't know what
you call it. Where you're you're not under You're not
in a grave like you're underground, You're you're in a drawer. Yeah,
basically what you called ian, we call that. I'm still
a grave kind of, I mean, right, And I know
(02:51:21):
and I know that the whole thing is called a mausoleum,
but I don't know what the individual compartments are called.
And so on his on his on his compartment, it
lists a there's a there's a plaque that says Alan
Alan Peter Blea. And then on top of that was
(02:51:42):
this other person, Richard Allan Morlatt. And I'm like, who
the fuck is this guy it is? And I was
looking up this guy and like trying to put pretty
any kind of connection together.
Speaker 3 (02:51:54):
At I said, fuck it, he's just his gay lover,
That's why he went to California, right.
Speaker 6 (02:51:58):
And I kind of even thought that might have been
the case, Like I was wondering, like, you know, given
you know, you look at his at his troubled marriages,
like I was like, oh, this kind of maybe makes sense.
But then as I was doing some final stuff today,
I found his last you know, the thing was when
I had her down, originally it was Marcia Belaya, so
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I didn't put two and two together. And then I
was doing some more research on like trying to finure
out when they got married, when they actually got married
and stuff like that, and it, and then her her
maiden name came up, Marshall and Morlat and I already
added him into the like you know, because some people
actually this is where it all stemmed from. By the way, too,
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was there are some family trees on ancestry like with
Blaya's that call him Richard Allan Blaya, which was very confusing,
which also made me think that maybe they were married
or something like that, maybe Richard was the name he
changed to, or or maybe or something like that. But
then but then I found you know that Richard Allen Bela.
(02:53:02):
It was actually Richard, you know, is Richard Allen more
lat when I found that grave, and then I found
out the two that that Marcia and Richard were siblings,
and they are they are brother and sister, and so
I imagine that through their marriage they must have gotten
close and decided to share the grave or whatever. Fascinating,
(02:53:23):
So that's the connection. Yeah, Actually I thought that was.
Speaker 3 (02:53:26):
Going to be a loose end forever. We were like, well,
it must have just been a situation where the next
person in line gets buried right on top of you, you.
Speaker 6 (02:53:32):
Know, yeah, because I mean, you know, I was asking
around stuff, and it's like it's a common thing where
if you don't have a lot of money in these
types of above ground graves, you do share it with
random you can share it with people if you can't
afford it. But I was also thinking to myself, but
wait a minute, really, like when he dies, you know,
houl Coke is not going to pay for a fucking
h uh his own brother's like his own like a
(02:53:53):
private spot or something like that. The brother again exactly
like you'd imagine he would have gave, and the brother
that he actually you know, was involved with more like
his own thing. But then then when I found this, like,
this all makes sense now now I get it. He's married,
he's buried with his his last wives and they didn't
divorce he you know, they were married until he died.
(02:54:15):
Marcia and uh and Alan, so it just kind of
makes kind of makes sense. Yeah, so I tied at
that loose and I was very happy.
Speaker 3 (02:54:25):
That is huge, That is absolutely Yeah. I didn't expect
that one to get resolved.
Speaker 6 (02:54:30):
Yeah, me, neither me.
Speaker 3 (02:54:31):
Neither Alan and his wife Marcia and family live in
an eastern section of our city. I went to the
author rights the closed circuit TV showing of this wrestling
spectacular with Alan Blea. So this writer went to watch
WrestleMania one Wow closed circuit with Hulk's brother Alan, who
stands six feet four inches. I think it's kind of
sad that Alan wasn't invited to New York. Yeah, I
(02:54:51):
don't know what that's about. Alan, who stands six foot
four inches and tips the scales at around two hundred
and fifty pounds, owns and operates preferred carpet care. Now,
don't be surprised if Allan becomes involved in the world
Championship Wrist Wrestling tournament see World Championship Wrisk Wrestling held
in Petaluma. Incidentally, Hulkogan's given name is Terry bo Leya.
(02:55:12):
This article, now, it's just one for the one for
the record books, and I'm about to send it to you.
And if you've ever seen if you've ever seen pictures
of a of Alan, it's probably from this article where
you see the big bushy beard and all that, And
(02:55:33):
it's about what this wrist wrestling is all about and
the reputation that Alan is getting out in Pedaloom.
Speaker 6 (02:55:39):
I don't get it. Isn't it just fucking arm wrestling?
Speaker 3 (02:55:42):
No, it's different in that you don't you don't plant
your elbow in the table and lift your wrist up.
You keep your wrist flat on the table and you wrestle.
So there's no involvement of the bicep or the shoulder.
I was reading about. This really is just the strength
of the wrist versus strength of the wrist. There is
(02:56:02):
a distinction which I never knew about until reading about this,
But yes, there is a distinction in how you position.
Speaker 6 (02:56:08):
What a weird what a weird fucking thing for this
guy to get into I.
Speaker 3 (02:56:11):
Know, well he was a I mean, it's pretty wild that,
you know, Hulk Cogan came to be known for the
big power and the pip pythons and everything, and his
brother's out there. Not even an athlete. Yeah he did
play Little League baseball from what I can tell, but yeah,
not even an athlete, not even a guy that's involved
in anything physical besides beating the fuck out of people.
And he's also I mean, you know, I got to
wonder those scenes and no holds barred, you know, where
(02:56:32):
there's arm wrestling that turns into barroom brawls. Is that
is that Hulk channeling his brother's exploits, you know, thinking
a little bit about that. It's probably true. Just amazing
that he's out there. I know, let's learn what risk
here we go.
Speaker 6 (02:56:52):
Yeah, I've seen this one. There's another one out there's
another picture about there too, where where he looks more
like Hogan. Though that one that it's like, it's it's
it's weird because here he looks like the dead guy.
Lou Carper, Yeah, Lucrper, Yeah, Alan Blaya hul Cogan. The
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World Championship Rist Wrestling Tournament is now less than four
months away and the cry beat Cleve Dean is being
heard across the nation and in many foreign countries. Cleve
Dean is the six foot seven inch heavyweight rist wrestling
there are different weight classes apparently Okay, heavyweight rist Wrestling
champion of the World, and he tips the scales at
(02:57:33):
four hundred and sixty six pounds. Cleve Dean's challengers will
come from all over the globe and one of them
is here in Petaluma. The Petaluma challenger is Alan bulla
owner operator of Preferred Carpet Care, and he's the brother
of Hulk Hogan, the professional heavyweight wrestling champion the world.
Alan seen above and the picture seen in the above
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picture testing the arm of Hulk Cogan will certainly add
a lot of excitement to this year's Big Tournament. Hulk
Cogan has written a new and glamour filled chapter to wrestling.
When he teamed up with TV's Mister t they packed
New York's Madison Square Garden. This was a real show
business spectacular with Muhammad Ali as referee, Billy Martin as announcer,
(02:58:15):
and Liberaci is timekeeper. This Madison's like nothing about Alan
right now, It's completely gone. This Madison Square Garden Spectacular
also brought in a number of other celebrated people, including
Cindy Lauper, who has rocked the music world from the
Atlantic to the Pacific. Hulk Hogan has hit the movie
screen as Rocky's opponent in the Movies in One Movie,
(02:58:36):
and he's become one of TV's best known personalities. Alan says,
I'm all living off my brother hul Cogan's reputation. I've
beaten every opponent of risk wrestled. My goal is to
wrestle the heavyweight Risk Wrestling title from Cleve Dean laps
Allen Allena Alan Blay is a big man and he
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like his brother, he's also a real showman and his
ambition about that brother and his ambition is to be
the second member of his family to hold a heavyweight
Championship of the World. Allan will be making his first
appearance in the World Championship Risk Wrestling Tournament and if
he wins, he will be the second Petalumen to hold
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the Heavyweight Risk Wrestling Championship of the World. The other
Petalumen to hold this title, Jim Doulcini. Johnny Walker of
Atlanta has announced he will be in Petaluma on October
twelfth to defend his middleweight champions Wrestling. Dave Patton, three
time featherweight champion, will also be here to defend his title.
Speaker 3 (02:59:45):
It is crazy that he got involved in something called wrestling,
even if it's not wrestling. Exactly separate and completely distinct
from his brother. They both ended up in the newspaper
for wrestling for all things, you know, for all also
legitimate as well, not right, not predetermined. Yeah, I just
I would love to man, what does he sound like?
Speaker 4 (03:00:04):
You know?
Speaker 3 (03:00:04):
Like, does he sound like Hulk Hogan? Is there somebody
else out there that sounded like hul Cogan? And voice?
Speaker 4 (03:00:11):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (03:00:12):
He traces of Hulks like you know features man, we
lost Alan, we did. Here's an article about the kickoff
party for said showdown. The pre party for the coming
World Championship rist Wrestling tournament was held at Darelli's Chrysler
Dodge in Plymouth, Think and it was a rip roaring success.
The party featured Tahitian dancers, Pedalum his own a little nomes,
an exhibition of karate and boxing, had a lot of
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good things to eat and drink. Jimmy Mister America Payne
was the master of ceremonies and the party was coordinated
by Terry Hilton. Bob Saint Clair, a longtime member of
the San Francisco forty nine Ers football team, was there,
and so was Assemblyman Bill Palante. One of the future
events of the evening was a wrist wrestling match between
businessman Joe Durell and heavyweight risk wrestling contender Alan Bowlea.
Bolea won the match, but Durell proved to be an
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outstanding challenger. In fact, Durell looked so good in search.
The search is now on to find a businessman strong
enough to engage wrest wrestling match. One of the special
entertainers was world renowned organist Pete Sopp. Dick Sadler, who
managed former heavyweight boxing champion George Foreman, played the piano
in the style made famous by such greats as Fatzwaller
and Count Bassie. Pictured at the top of today's column,
it's Bill Rhodes wrist wrestling with Maureen McDaniel looking on,
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Bob Saint Clair, former forty nine er football player, Assemblyman
Bill Phalante, and Joe Automobile Dedrelly. So that's an article
about Alan wrist wrestling before people knew he was Hulk
Cogan's brother. No mention at all Hulk Cogan there right
this from October eighty five. Pedal Uma is Mighty Alan Bolea,
pedal Uoma's own. Alan Bolea is one of the men
given a good chance to dethrone Cleave Dean. Alan is
a brother of Hulk Hogan, the heavyweight wrestling Champion of
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the World. When asked if he had any fear of Dean,
Alan replied, I'm not afraid of him and I plan
to beat him.
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Alan has been and many of the strongest men in
the world, and this will be his first attempt to
win the heavyweight wrist wrestling Championship of the World and
he does not get it done. Here's more about some
of the competition. Bourbon, unlike Whiskey, is not improving with age.
Last weekend, the guy by the name of but Bourban,
I think, was eliminated in the first round of the
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twenty fourth Annual World Wrist Wrestling Finals held in Petaluma, California.
Of course, it should be noted that Bourbon was competing
in the heavyweight division, not as a middleweight. Normally, heavyweights
range from two hundred pounds and up, but Bourbon stepped
up in class in order to help his team, the
newly formed Central Coast Wrist Wrestling Team, earn more points
in the team division. As luck unfortunately bad would have it,
Bourbon drew Alan Boleya in the opening round, Alan Belaya
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drawing brother What this was like drawing John McEnroe in
one round one of Wimbledon, Like meeting Jack the Ripper
in a dark alley. To give you an idea of
what Bourbon was up against. Bolaya just so happens to
be Hull Coogan's brother, he being of WrestleMania fame. Balaya
also happened made effect but wrestling quotes. But he also
happens to be six to two two hundred and sixty pounds. Nonetheless,
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Bourbon gave Balaa a go of it, holding out for
twenty odd seconds. Wow, I wonder where Hogan got his height? Yeah, no,
because six two, Because Hogan's six 's eight. His mom
is pretty tall. Ruth Bulla, Yeah, yeah, strikes me as
quite tall. He took big cleave to finally knock Boleya
out of the tournament. Cleve Dean became a star on
television's ABC American Broadcasting Corporation Wide World of Sports, and
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he went on to be the biggest drawing card in
risk wrestling. Always an easy going guy, Dean was able
to psyke out his opponents and they showing exaint.
Speaker 6 (03:04:34):
You think do you think?
Speaker 3 (03:04:35):
Do you think Alan Belaya knows the difference between a
wrisk lock and a risk better? He fucking better. He
was able to psyke out his opponents. Dean was Alan
Blaya tried to intimidate him, the late brother of famed
profession wrestling champion Hull Cogan. He approached Dean before tournament
and Pedaluma and told him who he was and then
said I'm gonna pin your arm and tear you apart.
Dean yawned and replied, it's nice meeting you and good luck.
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At the time, Alan said I tried to psych him
out and said he scared the hell out of me. Brother, unbelievable.
So Alan Bullia, yeah, it's not an end well that much.
Speaker 6 (03:05:11):
I can tell you did Did you see the other
one too? They did another there was did you read
from this one? The one where they talk about Cleve
Dean risk wrestling?
Speaker 3 (03:05:21):
So That'ster Stallone. Oh, please tell me more about Cleve Deane.
This is this is this is Stallone like getting involved
in you know.
Speaker 7 (03:05:29):
It's well it's also it's it's still loone getting involved
with for over the Top top right, he's doing you know,
the arm wrestling, wrist wrestling whatever.
Speaker 6 (03:05:40):
This is from the Argus Courier, October second, eighty five.
Cleve Dean has become the most publicized wrist wrestler of
all times, and many people now say he's the greatest
of all times. I've written many stories about this giant
from Georgia who has taken just taking another big step
toward fame and fortune. Can someone who who's older than
us please talk talk to me about wrist wrestling because
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I'd never fucking heard of him until until this. Yeah,
like I can't imagine risk wrestling, you know, getting fame
and fortune. This step will see Dean with a major
role in Sylvester Stallone's newest movie, Over the Top. Filming
will start in January of nineteen eighty six. Stallone is
now the hottest box office attraction in the movie world,
and Dean's appearance with him will mean something extra special
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to wrist wrestling and arm wrestling. In the movie Stallone,
who first made it big while portraying a boxer, We'll
play the role of a wrist wrestler. Although I do
not have a copy of the script, it will go
something like this. Stallone, a truck driver, will beat all
comers and finally end up facing world champion wrist wrestler
Cleve Dean. Dean, who has beaten all the world's great
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wrist wrestlers, will lose to Stallone. Cleve Dean is a
five time world champion, and he will be and he
will be in Petaluma on October twelfth, at which time
he will attempt to win the coveted title for the
sixth time. One of Dean's advantages over other heavyweights is
his is his giant sized hands. Exampled, he wears a
size nineteen ring Primo Carnera, the largest thing ever to
(03:07:07):
hold what would you.
Speaker 3 (03:07:11):
Dude?
Speaker 6 (03:07:12):
Dude, the largest man ever to hold the heavyweight boxing
championship of the World, weighed around two hundred and sixty pounds,
and they called him a giant. Cleve Dean, who tips
the scales at four hundred and sixty six maybe heavier
this year, outweighs Primo by over two hundred pounds. In
most cases, giants have failed to gain championships, and although
there have been men almost as big as Dean and
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wrist wrestling, none has come close to being as good.
I've asked a few a number of wrist wrestlers which
wrist wrestler they would most like to see matched with
Cleve Dean, and the answer has been Jim Dulcini. Professional
wrestling fans have told me now we'd like to see
Dean against world champion Hulk Hoss. Absolutely he would never
(03:07:54):
for those, No, no way, he'd be too no kidding me.
For these fans, I have this news. Alan Blaya, who
resides in Pedaloa, is the brother of Hulkgan. On October twelfth,
he will be one of the risk wrestlers seeking to
take the title of heavyweight champion away from Dean. Cleve
Dean could be called the jolly Giant, and believe me,
he can get mighty angry, and he did so when
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the television director refused to allow him to wear the
T shirt of his sponsor. Cleve Dean will tell you
that his size and strength are not the only qualifications
needed to become a super champion. In Dean's own words,
some small men gave me a great deal of trouble
when I first started. Dean agrees that though with those
that say you have to have a technique and a
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desire to win, along with a certain amount of natural ability,
Dean has all three, plus he's one of the strongest
men in the world. Wherever wrist wrestlers participate today, the
cry beat Cleve Dean can be heard. When I asked
Dean if this bother I mean, replied, it gives me
more incentive to win when it comes to sycking out opponents.
Dean as a master, but new heavyweights like Alan Blay
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believe they can beat him. Cleve Dean has in the
past been a man who likes to keep his opponents
in suspense, and that's why he has always waited until
it's almost tournament time before officially announcing he will be
a competitor. So not so this time.
Speaker 3 (03:09:15):
Cleve has formally announced he will be in Petaluma on
October twelfth, and that he will defend his title at
that time. Winning this year in Petaluma is extra important
to Dean because he appears on the screen with actor
Sylvester Stallone, he will be billed as the current oh No.
When he appears, he will be billed as the current
world Champion, another unusual twist. In the past, hul Cogan
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has been the man engaged who engaged Sylvester Stallone in
combat on the screen combat Okay, engaged in Combat. For
the movie Over the Top, Dean will be the opponent
and one of the guys who will be trying to
de throne Dean in Petaluma on October twelfth will be
hull Cogan's brother. Now that Cleve Dean is a wrist
wrestling legend with a role in a major movie, his
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celebrity status has risen to a new peak. Well Dean
sign autographs and posed for pictures during his twelve October
twelve appearance in pedal Uma. The answer is yes, Wow,
well written, Cleeve Dean. It is kind of weird. Like
you know, Alan disappears, changes his name. According to Hulk,
you don't hear a word from him for years and
years he falls completely off the grid, and only when
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Hulk becomes a national television celebrity in eighty five do
you start hearing about Alan Blea. So it's almost like
he came out of the shadows, like trying to you know,
see what he what cotails? He couldn't ride listen. He's
a worker, as he's telling everybody. Now he's Hulk's brother.
Speaker 6 (03:10:38):
Right, he's a worker, all right, He's he's like, whoa,
Oh no, dude, I guess I could I could actually
kind of know wh don't all right? The cold tails
of my brother.
Speaker 3 (03:10:48):
Right, did you slamm her head into the bar, dude?
Or did she her head hit the bar?
Speaker 6 (03:10:52):
I mean that's the question, isn't it. You know that
is the question. That's kind of a rhetorical question. Did
her head didn't you know? Did I push it on
the bar? Went on the bar? These are the question
that everyone's going to ask. Do you know what you
just say? Well, you know what, I'm Hulk Hogan's brother.
Speaker 3 (03:11:06):
Is that what you can say? Yeah, it's just a
carney all of a sudden.
Speaker 6 (03:11:11):
Well, Alan, did you slam the head or did you
push itb Hulk Hogan's brother brother? What well, that doesn't
really answer the question. But I'm Hulk Hogan's brother.
Speaker 3 (03:11:23):
Brother. That certainly did seem to open a lot of
doors for him in eighty five and eighty six, but
it couldn't keep them open because Alan Bellaia was to
meet an untimely demise. I just sent it to you.
This from Hogan's second book, Hulk second book, recounting the
demise of his brother Allan.
Speaker 6 (03:11:39):
I can't even describe to you how much fun it
was Russell Madison Square Garden. And hear that crowd, those
twenty two thousand.
Speaker 3 (03:11:45):
People, No, not twenty thousand people, but okay, well if
you count the overflow cllout crowd, brother.
Speaker 6 (03:11:52):
Well if you count, brother, if I could hear it, brother,
if you count the people on the street outside, walking
around the block, around Madison Square Garden, Dude, it's like
fifty eight thousand people.
Speaker 3 (03:12:02):
And they're so loud, I could hear them all, dude,
even in the building.
Speaker 6 (03:12:04):
Brother, You know, dude, they stopped, Brother, They felt hul Cogaan,
they felt Wumania right hall Mania Hallenia, and those twenty
two thousand people making making making my jaws water, making
his jaws water. I guess, and I come off that
high and head to over to Ramota on forty eight
over the Ramot on forty eight three with all the
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other wrestlers and drinking that bar with all these fans
going nuts, and then head up to the hotel room
for more drinks and a couple of lines. Yep. Yeah, dude,
the side effects and the whole crash of that next
day just wasn't worth it. But Lady five, I threw
more coke away than I snorted. It got to the
point where I'd buy an eight ball, which is three grams,
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and I'd do a little bit of it, have a
few drinks, and then get so wired I started grinding
my teeth.
Speaker 4 (03:12:54):
Yep.
Speaker 6 (03:12:54):
So I'd drink a little more take the edge off,
and then I'd go to bed and wake up feeling
like shit. So I'd get, so I'd get and i'd
flush that, I'd get and i'd flush, so I'd get.
I'd flush the rest of that eight ball down the toilet.
Next thing I know, I'd have one of the other
wrestlers calling me up, Hey man, you got him to
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go to a pall. God, I'll tell them what I did.
How the fuck could you flush that down the toilet.
It was easy.
Speaker 3 (03:13:23):
I didn't care. I don't want to keep having that feeling.
But flushing it wasn't enough. There was there.
Speaker 6 (03:13:30):
There was always more of it around the next night.
And even though I never did more than a line
or two at a time, and I never did it
on a daily basis, I'd find that I kept going
back for more. Like I said, I rap to poison
until I finally had a wake up calling eighty six
Allen's And yes, was it fate or big coincidence? Two
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U fifty four got shut down for good in the
spring of nine eighty six. I think the collective party
in this country had just gone on for far too
long and got far too crazy. I mean, life is
a way of slapping you in the face and when
things go too far, and I think that can happen
on a grand scale as easy as it can happen
in any one man's life. We'd all been in this
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party train since the seventies, and all of a sudden
it was running out. It was running out track. Brother,
we got to get this thing back on track, right know.
Earlier that year, something terrible happened and my brother Alan's
ex wife marthel Fon. What is he talking about? He
started eighty six when he had gone to when he
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had gone to his on his odyssey through Texas and
riding with the Hell's Angels up in Frisco. And he
remarried this lady named Marcia. So now what is Mark?
What's he talking about? Early that year something terrible happened
to my brother Alan's ex wife marthel Fonso, Well, he
had gone earlier that year. It's that year at all, right,
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It's like exactly.
Speaker 3 (03:15:00):
Hell's Angels detail is an interesting one as far as
like what brought him all the way out to California.
That's the only time I heard that. And he's kind
of made reference in interviews over the years. There's brother
being in a gang, a biker gang. But maybe that's
why he loves the aces Nate storyline.
Speaker 6 (03:15:16):
Maybe Venice Beach there he is. Maybe that was a
tribute to his brother right there, you know, doing doing
doing aces and eights.
Speaker 3 (03:15:25):
That's just from my brother Allan brothers. Whoa dude? Whoa dude?
Speaker 4 (03:15:32):
You know?
Speaker 6 (03:15:32):
Wye, I go on the hotsy through Texas and riding
with the Hell's Angels Frisco and he had remarried this
lady named Marcia and started a new life in l A.
Martha stayed back in Tampa and raised their three kids
on the she was dead, fucking way off man.
Speaker 3 (03:15:47):
Had no mom because of this, Like you don't remember that.
Speaker 6 (03:15:50):
Yeah, Martha was making it like he married twice before,
like he married Marsha. Well, after she was dead, Martha
was making a decent living man a hotel by the
Tampa airport, and for a while she was dating a
guy who had a whole lot of money. He never
seemed to have a real job. It didn't say that
she managed anything. So she was a waitress when she
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was killed, right right, Well, one day Martha and her
boyfriend got a real big fight, and after work she
went to the hotel bar, and when I'm dancing with
one of the employees there, her boyfriend walked in and
shot her twice, killed her right there on the dance floor. So,
all of a sudden, I had two nieces and a
nephew who'd lost their mom. And my nephew is Michael Blay,
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who had eventually wrestled Horace Hogan in the National He says,
the National Wrestling Lions. Yeah, oh yeah, yep, a great,
great editing, great book. Really okay, the National Wrestling Alliance
(03:16:56):
and over in Japan. He grew up thick and strong
like So, these three kids started bouncing around between Martha's
side of the family, the Cuban side, and my parents.
I did whatever I could to send money back to
try to help them out, but just a few I
bet Linda loved that.
Speaker 3 (03:17:13):
Oh my god, again, Terry, isn't he gonna say thank you?
Speaker 6 (03:17:18):
Are you? Terry? How much?
Speaker 3 (03:17:23):
How much more do we have to give these fucking kids?
Speaker 8 (03:17:26):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (03:17:26):
Perfect, they're not your kids. I don't care how you
feel full, I don't care how you feel.
Speaker 6 (03:17:35):
Like they're not your kids. To stop it.
Speaker 3 (03:17:38):
Oh god, what about me, Terry? Exactly, you don't even
care about your own family. Terry, you understand that every
every cent you give them I don't get to use.
Oh you fuck bless your heart, Fuck you, Terry, Fuck you,
Terry awesome, fuck awesome, you piece of ship, worthless, fuck
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country bumpkin, you piece of garbage. Then she wonders why
I went to Bubba's house to get a blow draw bler.
Can't stand you, you bitch, such a.
Speaker 6 (03:18:25):
She is such a I do too. I do too.
Speaker 3 (03:18:34):
This one's for you, mum M and Horace horais. We
know you're out there. When you're ready, We're ready. We're
into a lot of stuff that has a lot to
do with you and how you how you are forced
to come up in the world. And I don't think
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anyone's giving you the appropriate platform to tell your story.
Speaker 6 (03:19:01):
H was later we were knocked out by another wave
of bad news. A few months later. A few years later,
All started showing up my matches in LA the same
way he used to show up in San Francisco and
Oakland a year or two earlier, only now instead of
having the Hell's Angels in tow he'd bring his new wife, Marcia,
who he doesn't also spell that name right either, by
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the way he spells it like Martha with then as
instead and it's actually m A r c I A
is the way that Marcia spells her name. I knew
that drugs were still a big part of Alan's life.
He hadn't turned his life around as much as I thought.
It wasn't long before my brother came right out in
the open with it. I need pain pills, man, You
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can you help me out, you know? Hulk Can you
help me out? It's gonna start calling pulk for sure, Ulster.
You know Hulkster. Can you start? Can you help me out?
Speaker 4 (03:19:57):
Man?
Speaker 3 (03:19:58):
My brother, I'm your brother and brother Allan. I'm your brother, brother,
am Alan, I'm Alan, he says Toul. He says to Terry,
I'm Allen.
Speaker 6 (03:20:10):
Hey, you know what? You know what I'm thinking? Maybe
you bring me in. I could be Hunk Hogan. Wow,
Hulkan Hunk. You know what Hogan's I.
Speaker 3 (03:20:17):
Just figured out my Halloween costume this year. You know
what it's going to be, Alan Blea. Where's the Alana
has Bro I'm gonna be. I'm gonna be Kenneth Wheeler. Okay,
we'll go as Hull Covin's brothers brother and we'll we're
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the brother question mark T shirt. They have an Alan
Mania shirt and a Ken Mania shirt. Brother.
Speaker 6 (03:20:46):
You be the judge Wheeler Mania.
Speaker 3 (03:20:48):
Absolutely Okay, Well, I guess we're gonna have our own shirt.
Speaker 6 (03:20:55):
Wheeler Mania Wheeler A Hogan with the beard over the shirt, yep,
Alan Hogan, Allan Wrestling Champion.
Speaker 3 (03:21:05):
Of the World. Allan Rolls, Alan Rolls. You ain't ready, bitch,
if you didn't think the complete Hull Cogan wasn't gonna
light dynamite on our pro wrestling tea store. You haven't
been listening very long. Wheelermania and Alan rules all World
(03:21:32):
Risk Wrestling Champion.
Speaker 6 (03:21:34):
Oh my god, rist Wrestling Mania, Risk Wrestling Mania. It's
like a jerk off session.
Speaker 3 (03:21:43):
It sounds risk wrestling sounds like something you can't google
at work.
Speaker 6 (03:21:48):
Seriously, it's definitely it's definitely an nsf W thing like
brist wrestling. That's a porn category for sure.
Speaker 3 (03:21:59):
Uh uh uh. I knew that he knew that I
knew a doctor. He knew that I knew a doctor
named George Shore. Fuck it back back in Harrisburg, Pennsylvania.
This doc would hook me, hook me, hook me and
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all the other wrestlers off with steroids and other stuff
if we needed it. It wasn't like I was giving
them LSD, so I probably didn't think much about sharing
a few pain pills. My brother brother then one day
and I knew he six though. Back to l A,
I met upol, Alan and Marcia, and someone shifted like
someone had pulled the rug out from the whole world.
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Someone's about to own more money mm hmmm.
Speaker 6 (03:22:46):
And two of them started giving me this crazy fucking story.
You know, you know we were carrying put the run
in the house and you know we're behind the van payment.
You know, our brother, our Carver companies going under.
Speaker 3 (03:22:58):
Dude, dude awesome because like Terry took that from Billy
Graham and Dusty Rhodes. He didn't take that from like
growing up in his house. Right, Why would Alan say, dude,
and my brother.
Speaker 6 (03:23:16):
They were laid on Allen's motorcycle payment and they were
out of groceries. It's not funny, but it's just it's
the way he says it like it was. You did
say they were out of food, they were out of groceries,
you know, Like it's like, I don't know, it just
sounds it sounds stupid when you say you're out of groceries.
Speaker 3 (03:23:39):
Groceries? Yeah, Like why not be more specific?
Speaker 6 (03:23:42):
Why do not you say I have there's no food
in the house Like that, to me is much more
tragic than I'm out of groceries. They were desperate and
they need my help. It was this, that and the other,
non stop. So I wrote him a check. I can't
remember if it was for five grand or ten grand,
or eleven grand or twelve million dollars. Dude, I was
making enough money that I didn't make a difference at
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that point except for Linda.
Speaker 3 (03:24:05):
The fuck at all?
Speaker 11 (03:24:08):
Terry?
Speaker 3 (03:24:09):
What are you doing? Jail bitch? I just what about man?
I just saw the bank account. Terry. You're selling me
another check? You sent down another check? Come on, Jerry, shit.
Speaker 6 (03:24:34):
Why would he ever leave?
Speaker 3 (03:24:36):
She says, hold on? Come on, Terry, come on? What
why would you say?
Speaker 4 (03:24:44):
Come on?
Speaker 3 (03:24:44):
At that point, you're nothing but a fucking joke. Wow,
you're a joke, Terry.
Speaker 4 (03:24:55):
You're a joke.
Speaker 3 (03:24:56):
Oh my god, she's got that demon in her. You
getting Oh my Jack, If you get one more, Jack,
I'm gonna fucking kill you. And Amy can that'd be
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one way to get back at Terry. Huh, look up
Ken's number, I can. It's Linda. Listen. I got to
propose you're in Dayton right. I'm missing your videos, dude,
me fucking you're in the fucking movie again. You're in
Dayton right. Well that's good because we're both because you're
about to go to the Nutter Center. You like guys
(03:25:41):
start didn't Dayton daytailling the five hundred out there? So
what happens with poor Alan.
Speaker 6 (03:25:52):
Oh boys Roman check. I remember it for five grand
or ten grand. I was making enough money that didn't
make a difference at that point.
Speaker 3 (03:26:01):
Anyway.
Speaker 6 (03:26:01):
Soon as I wrote the check, the two of them
just started arguing, like hell in this restaurant we were in.
I finly pulled my brother so I was down. Look, dude,
I want to just call me to San Francisco to night.
He was real stressed out, and I told him it
was it was only an hour flight up there. I
was scheduled to wrestle at the Cow Palace and we
can just hay, you know, we can just hang out
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and talk, brother, and you know, you know, maybe we
can see someone over your friends and then we'll just
fly back. We'll be back by midnight tonight. I thought
I was San Francisco was airport as eleven o'clock, and
I was happy to pay for it.
Speaker 3 (03:26:35):
It was no big deal. No, he said, I can't,
I can't, I can't, I can't right, I gotta stay here.
Speaker 6 (03:26:44):
I want to do this.
Speaker 3 (03:26:45):
I want to do that. I want to do this.
I want to do that.
Speaker 6 (03:26:49):
I really thought he should just get away from his
craziness to catch a break for a night. But we
needed to go pay those bills right away and get
everything taken care of, he said, He said, so I
gave up. Okay, you want to get back. That night,
I fliped San Francisco and wrestles the main as the
main event, not in the main event, but as the
main event at the Cow Palace. Planned as I came
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out of the ring, Blackjack Lands of this old time
wrestler who worked as the on site agent who always
stay in the back and dictated who would win or
lose the matches. He got to me, looking real seriously,
had me a note. It's an emergency, he said. I'll
open the note. See what the hell is talking about?
Says call Marsha, it's an emergency.
Speaker 3 (03:27:31):
Fuck.
Speaker 6 (03:27:32):
I remember thinking, what now? Who knew what Marsha's idea
of an emergency was? The fucking train wreck? Do she
seems like a decent She seems like a decent person. Actually,
you know, this is the little that i've you know,
I mean, I don't know. Maybe maybe she was awful
and then cleaned up, but she seems okay now yeah,
you know, or not now anymore?
Speaker 3 (03:27:51):
She's dead, but something uh yeah, I mean I don't
know what I expected. Other than another crazy sob story
about it, how the money I gave them wasn't enough,
and how they were in.
Speaker 6 (03:28:02):
Even more trouble or whatever. Which is my brother's wife,
So I called her. They found your brother dead in
the hotel room. Apparently Alan took all that money I
gave him, and rather than paying off bills or getting
a handle on all the shit of his life, he
went out and bought a boatload of whatever drug of
his choice was. Then he overdosed and died. I guess
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I'll never know if it was on purpose or not.
Whatever it was, he did it with my money, the
breath that I gave him. It is my big time
wrestling career in big fat Wall. I made it possible
for my brother to die that night. I saw what
I thought about when I first heard the news that sorry.
In fact, it would hit me in the middle of
the night sometime later. No, when I hung up with Marsha,
all I could think about was my mom Dad. I
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was so worried about how they would react. I knew
they were going to get that phone call, and I
knew how crush they would be. You know, one day,
one day, we're going to get a phone call about
your brother. My mama was saying for years were not married?
Had fallally come true? You and all his problems? Oh
helly put them through almost still their favorite son brother, right,
(03:29:09):
he gets well except for Canneth. I do love Canneth Man.
He was a good boy. He was a good still
is a good boy. You guys had both you and
Alan have a lot to live up to. When it
comes to Kenny, Kenny is the perfect child. Oh I
(03:29:32):
love him. Wow, I love him so much.
Speaker 3 (03:29:37):
Alan. I mean, Terry, can you go get mama a
cup of tea please?
Speaker 6 (03:29:41):
Kenny, Kenny, Allen, Terry. I'm like my grandmother used to
go through all the fucking everyone told go.
Speaker 12 (03:29:49):
Like.
Speaker 3 (03:29:53):
I remember when she get kind of pissed with me
when I was a kid. It would be Michael Richard,
doctor Jacke. I love that fucking down the whole list
of them all.
Speaker 6 (03:30:05):
Yeah, right, uh I almost Still that's just my opinion.
Of course, my mom will totally totally disagree. Every time
I see her, she says, Terry, you're my number one
son behind Kenny and Allen. My God, I don't want
(03:30:26):
to seem mean or anything, but there are times when
I'll be sitting there with my mom for an hour
watching TV, and she'll want some water and she'll say, Alan,
get me some water. Yeah, doesn't even know she does it,
and I don't even ever feel the need to correct her, Okay, mom.
My dad was the same way. It was always Alan this, Alan, this,
(03:30:46):
Alan that.
Speaker 4 (03:30:47):
Oh yeah, I.
Speaker 6 (03:30:49):
I never had anything against it. I just knew that
Allen was his favorite too. As a younger brother. You
can just tell, even before my dad passed away, whenever
he would talk to me, he would always start with Alan,
I mean Terry. So I knew this news was going
to crush them, not to mention those three kids who
now had lost both their parents.
Speaker 3 (03:31:10):
In the course of six I don't know why he
does this. It's eight years. It's eight years years, not
that not that's easier, but it's just him, you don't
remember that, like the kids were nowhere to be.
Speaker 4 (03:31:27):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (03:31:29):
It's almost like he doesn't want to think about, like
who was raising the kids because Alan's here without the
kids and Marth is dead.
Speaker 6 (03:31:38):
I don't know, right, it's almost like it almost you
know what, It's almost like he he knows he didn't do.
Speaker 3 (03:31:47):
Enough, and he closes the gap, so it makes it
seem like that was less time his nephew was and
his nieces were hanging out to dry. Right, let's go,
let's fucking go.
Speaker 6 (03:31:58):
I've know the three but the course of six months,
even though they hadn't lived with Allen since they were little.
Can you imagine the painting must have gone through knowing
that the possibility I've ever seen their father again was gone.
I quit using cocaine right then, right then and there.
Speaker 3 (03:32:15):
That'll do it?
Speaker 4 (03:32:16):
Do we do?
Speaker 6 (03:32:17):
We do?
Speaker 4 (03:32:17):
We do?
Speaker 3 (03:32:19):
We believe that though we don't believe that. Okay, thank you, Okay,
I was gonna say, because Nohl's bart hasn't happened yet, right,
and there's certainly a presence there, you know. So I've
just seen what drugs do to a person, and you
entire family like that. I was done, you know.
Speaker 6 (03:32:34):
Smoking pot was one thing. Brother, I'm drinking beer was another.
But I was done with any kind of hardcore drugs.
There's no way I would ever meet an end like Allen's.
That's where I was. Death made me feel my emotions,
I guess I didn't really have any. Emotions were one
of the things I didn't have time for.
Speaker 3 (03:32:50):
Back then.
Speaker 6 (03:32:52):
Comfortably numb. I don't know how to explain this, really,
because I've never really talked about it before. But the
weirdest thing about wrestling was how numb and kept me.
It worked so much, worked so hard, there just wasn't
any time for personal feelings.
Speaker 10 (03:33:07):
Brother.
Speaker 3 (03:33:08):
Yeah, yeah, there's no time for personal feelings. Sounds to me.
Michael Cogan's on his way in the wrestling business.
Speaker 4 (03:33:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (03:33:17):
And that is the tapestry of the Bolea family from
Italy all the way to untimely deaths in Hollywood and
in a bar room in Tampa and perhaps another far
flung places. Slight operation here, a gunshot there, and overdose here,
and we're starting to build a mosaic. We're starting to
(03:33:38):
build a foundation on which Terry Boleya is to become
hul Coogan. So we want to thank you for joining
us for this first installment of the Complete hul Cogan.
And in the next episode, we're going to be talking
about what Terry Boleya, young Terry Boleya was thinking and doing,
and how he was living and how he was looking
up to his parents during all of the ups and
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downs and tumult and relationships and everything else that we've
been describing, because while it took a lot of time
to lay the foundation of the network around young Terry Bolea,
we didn't spend much time in his big ass head.
Speaker 6 (03:34:16):
The fucking dome of Doom.
Speaker 3 (03:34:18):
That will be the mission next time, as we continue
the birth of Terry Bolea on the Complete Hulk covid