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Speaker 1 (00:00):
We are so very much back on the Complete Hulk Hogan,
the definitive audio chronicle of the most famous and impactful
wrestler there has ever been. Hulk Hogan here in the
lapsed van is squarely in our crosshairs for as long
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If you don't know by now, we're starting from the
very beginning. What we're starting where in Italy?
Speaker 2 (00:31):
Again? I like it?
Speaker 3 (00:32):
Remember is.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
Wait?
Speaker 3 (00:38):
You mean yeah?
Speaker 2 (00:39):
I do mean there we go. It's pietro Bo.
Speaker 1 (00:52):
From Italy and we took you last time. In our
opening salvo on the Complete hul Cogan's through his family's
entire immigration to the country, how Panama the Panama Canal
Project played such a critical role and where the Bowleyas
were weird from a trailer park in Acon, South Carolina
to Tampa, Florida, all the way through to the story
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in saga of hul Cogan's lost brother Alan Bolea.
Speaker 2 (01:16):
And Alan Madia. I think Alan rules Alan. It's all
very clear we got Kenny Mania and we got Alan rules.
Is it too early to call Alan Bola the hero
of the journey? Not at all? Listen, Listen one, the
one and done man, Alan Belea absolutely the hero. Listen
tells me that fucking go through all of Hogan's in
ring exploits, We're still going to somehow our true north
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on this thing is still going to be Allen. I think,
I think, really it's gonna always come back to Alan
or you know how, And what did Kenny do to
fuck over hul Cogan?
Speaker 1 (01:47):
That's correct, That is correct, And Kenny's up there as well,
Kenny me and you're running wild here on the cast.
So I mean, you're not gonna find You're not gonna
find more stones overturned in the earliest rearing days. This
is the birth of Terry Boleya as opposed to the
growth of Hulkogen. It's a very necessary preamble.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
Oh my god, I mean it's this, this, this sets
the stage for the fiction and the reality.
Speaker 1 (02:12):
And if you think the fiction only begins after he
breaks into the wrestling business, you're out of your fucking mind,
because everything he's ever said about this point in his life,
he said after he became famous in the wrestling business.
Ss k fabe all the way.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
It's all fiction.
Speaker 1 (02:24):
We have access to non k fab records, don't we other? Exactly.
There's a reason we couldn't do this when he was alive.
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hul Cogan loved de Bruski, man, he did.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
You mean Savage at the six pack in the back
of the gym? Brotherer that that's the story.
Speaker 3 (03:27):
You know.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
It is funny how there are certain Hogan stories that
just really stick with you, and that one with him
and Savage wanting to come to WCW and the two
of them drinking a six pack in the back of
a gym after midnight, after midnight is just it's just
fucking it's amazing. That's It's just one of those stories.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
What's great about that story is I'm sure it happened.
Speaker 2 (03:49):
Mm hmmm.
Speaker 1 (03:50):
One of the trends we're going to detect is we
go through the complete Hull Coogan in his life and
his fictions, is that, you know, a lot of times
his complete whoppers of lies. It's not that you can't
find out where he got the idea from, because he
swaps himself into scenarios that have happened.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
To wrestlers exactly.
Speaker 1 (04:06):
We're about to learn about his little league baseball career
out in Tampa and the inter Bay team, and by
the time he gets his his narrative clause on this thing.
By the time his second book comes out, you will
not believe the representations he makes about what he achieved.
Speaker 2 (04:21):
On the little league field.
Speaker 1 (04:22):
Cor how in start contrast, it stands to the record.
But that's what we're here to do. As we go,
We're gonna lay late, lay down the truth as well
as the lies. There's no other way like to attack
the complete Hulk Cogan than that.
Speaker 2 (04:34):
By the way, I just want to let you know,
remember you remember last time I had some there was
some question about about Hogan's great great grandmother who it was,
whether it was this Katina or Teressa. Well, I'm getting
more evidence that it was Teressa, And so all those
fucking family trees out there, they're all fucking wrong. Look,
that's what I do love about this is that is
(04:54):
that you know, the more details you know, I'm I'm
keeping ad into this to this fam this Hogan family tree,
and so it just it constantly evolves because people people
add new things, or people find new things, and so
if it has any kind of connection, it gets added.
Like I get a notification saying, hey, you know, we
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get a possible hint for this individual, and just keeps growing.
It's like it's a never ending beast.
Speaker 1 (05:23):
And I've had little hints along the way in my
research that indicate that bolay of family members are active
on these sites.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
Yes, yes they are, They absolutely are. There are There
are a lot of There are a lot of uh
like these these family trees. You can when I get
a suggestion from another family tree, it says who the
creator is, and they're all blayas yep, and a lot
of blaya is.
Speaker 1 (05:46):
So we've tapped into that main line of Hull Camnia
in so many ways. But if it's going to be
about fiction, why don't we start here. Okay, we're going
to talk about Terry bolays upbringing as a young boy
in Tampa and his coming of age into becoming a
musician and then eventually a wrestler. We've got to start
with a fictionalized account of his childhood. There was a
TV show back in the day, early nineties, late eighties
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I think is when it started. It was called Stories
from Growing Up What And this was just like like
a ten minute, fifteen minute interstitial where they would do
dramatic reenactments of moments in the childhoods of famous celebrities
and once Halt Coogan himself was featured on Stories from
Growing Up.
Speaker 2 (06:27):
What is this show? I've never heard of this.
Speaker 1 (06:30):
I don't even really think of it as a show.
I think of it as more like a long infomercial
or something that would air like in dead time when
they didn't have much in their way of program Yeah,
it was kind of like a syndicated deal. It wasn't like,
as far as I can tell, it wasn't like it
was on one station at one time every week. It
was all over the place. It was kind of just
like a little project. And it was all about, you know,
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trying to tell stories about how even your favorite celebrities
had difficulties and obstacles as children, you know, to inspire
our little kids. And if that's what you want Hull
Cogan to spin his childhood to be, that's what he's
gonna do. So I think what we might be having
here is kind of our first document of hul Cogan
fictionalizing his childhood thoroughly for the sake of narrative, for
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the sake of, you know, checking certain boxes in terms
of creating a certain traumatic arc about his life, whether
it existed or not, and so we're gonna watch it.
We're gonna watch it all the way through. This is
Hull Cogan on stories from growing Up. We're gonna listen
closely and watch closely. You can find this on YouTube
if you want to watch along lost man.
Speaker 2 (07:32):
Are you ready? I am ready?
Speaker 1 (07:33):
Three two one play story he's from growing up that
looks nineties?
Speaker 2 (07:40):
Yeah? Does? What the fuck class?
Speaker 3 (07:50):
Let's know.
Speaker 2 (07:54):
What the West Coast of Real Sunshine never got to.
It's like the second verse of the Star Spangled Danny.
Speaker 4 (08:04):
Pythons are on the prow with you behind me. I'm
part of the strongest force in the universe. I don't
care if it's the earthquake. I don't care if it's
Dio Bravo.
Speaker 2 (08:14):
I don't care either.
Speaker 4 (08:14):
Even mister perfect Comania rules it was what but it
wasn't always that way.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
The Date Palms in Tampa, all these kids surround him.
Speaker 3 (08:30):
I do anything for attention. I mean in it.
Speaker 4 (08:33):
Ah.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
That's a little fat Terry stuff in his face with food.
The kids are dragging them on like you're chugging from
a kid. We're like Terry Blooney in no way.
Speaker 5 (08:46):
Gery five minutes.
Speaker 3 (08:48):
He's gonna make it.
Speaker 2 (08:53):
They also made a kid do this. By the way,
let's not forget that. Okay, there's a gust actor who's
doing this.
Speaker 6 (08:59):
I never see. We can explode you for me, eat.
Speaker 2 (09:08):
You, motherfucker. You're fucking smoothest, smells.
Speaker 7 (09:14):
Pretty five second mark.
Speaker 2 (09:20):
S sick. What Hogan's first rude? I made it. We
ate non stop man first on the moon you yeah,
and then it stops burps.
Speaker 3 (09:43):
Des was the coolest.
Speaker 4 (09:45):
I wanted hers or my girlfriend got that.
Speaker 8 (09:48):
Right's right, let's get out of here.
Speaker 3 (09:50):
But now even she was against me. I felt like
a total jerk. Dudes, and then it hit me, I
mean it really hit me.
Speaker 2 (10:03):
Gremlins. Yeah, so he's running across a campus cause to
throw up somewhere else. I know he's not a college campus,
but he's ten years old. Terry, Hang on a minute.
Speaker 4 (10:15):
Mister Rose was my guitar teacher. He was actual dude
and my only friend.
Speaker 3 (10:20):
How's it going?
Speaker 2 (10:22):
He was not his only friend yesterday.
Speaker 3 (10:24):
You're really improving.
Speaker 2 (10:28):
In his book.
Speaker 3 (10:29):
You sure everything's okay?
Speaker 2 (10:33):
Be good? Also, making the right of the thing with
this music is also very new, so he's I guess
he threw up in the bathroom.
Speaker 4 (10:51):
At the supermarket five minutes. It turned out to be
a roadblock on my path to popularity. Why did the
other kids like me? I just couldn't understand.
Speaker 3 (11:06):
That was it? Man, People in sports were always cool.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
This is a spress.
Speaker 3 (11:12):
I could play on the offensive line.
Speaker 2 (11:14):
He didn't play football.
Speaker 3 (11:15):
I could be the offensive line.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
Well, he certainly would say a few offensive linds later
on his list to get to spit his pants running
the tires. He didn't play football. He didn't.
Speaker 9 (11:29):
All right, look it up for you, guys, Terry or Brady, Man,
get out there, okay, guys, go get him.
Speaker 4 (11:48):
He wasn't.
Speaker 2 (11:50):
Sending them all to tackle Terry. Get the football.
Speaker 3 (11:54):
Beat Terry.
Speaker 2 (11:57):
Terry running for his thump. So they all run past him.
They out running because he said football.
Speaker 3 (12:11):
Much running for me? Pastime was where was happening?
Speaker 6 (12:18):
Jack?
Speaker 2 (12:19):
He's talking to what's.
Speaker 3 (12:22):
Too small over eighty a quarter?
Speaker 6 (12:24):
That's not my fault.
Speaker 2 (12:28):
I know that that's cool.
Speaker 5 (12:30):
But sure, howbo your hommet kept following?
Speaker 3 (12:34):
That fits watermelon head having a problem.
Speaker 2 (12:39):
Now, this is terrible. The little league buck. This is
a little more closer than representage of voice. You know,
what he saw of them was gutting his brother allan
to come in and kill all these kids.
Speaker 9 (12:49):
You're waiting to it, you can hit it.
Speaker 2 (12:50):
Watermelon had watermelon head. They called Terry the palm trees.
In the background, he swings Missus and falls on his ass.
Even he was an incredible power leader.
Speaker 10 (13:01):
Right, he's got to act this please Now I want
to say, deep breath and exhil.
Speaker 4 (13:10):
What is it.
Speaker 2 (13:13):
Now?
Speaker 1 (13:13):
Sat Terry's about to jump into the pool.
Speaker 3 (13:16):
This was a life Hulk of maniacs, the smell of chlorine.
Speaker 2 (13:19):
Humans like women, this tide. This kid was hired to
play young Holko. He's out there.
Speaker 4 (13:27):
You know how.
Speaker 2 (13:28):
Excited he was. Yes, well you're gonna play fat young
Holk Hogan because they thought he thought wh Hulk was
a kid. He was like a superhero. Hulk just broadly
flopped into the.
Speaker 10 (13:40):
Pool killer Whale, no no, no title and Terry.
Speaker 2 (13:45):
Cary brother the money that's a shirt.
Speaker 4 (13:48):
But she was laughing at me even damn that type
of punishment.
Speaker 2 (13:53):
Why didn't he have like why did we needy minny?
Speaker 3 (14:00):
Right?
Speaker 2 (14:00):
Hulk being made fun of being fat?
Speaker 3 (14:03):
Why?
Speaker 1 (14:04):
Because they aren't exactly alive with the sound of music.
Speaker 2 (14:09):
Sorry, you want to tell me what's wrong?
Speaker 3 (14:15):
It's all right. Nobody likes me.
Speaker 4 (14:20):
The hoster open the floodgates and it all poured out
like water over Niagara Falls. Man, How I hated being fat?
How I wanted to be good at something. How I
wanted them to just stop making fun of me.
Speaker 3 (14:36):
What do they know? There's nothing wrong with that, Norman.
Sometime size can be a good thing.
Speaker 2 (14:46):
Let me show you. Is that our sineo?
Speaker 3 (14:53):
Who's fat? Me? I was a fat kid too. Every way,
eat it today, wear it tomorrow.
Speaker 2 (15:03):
Brother, I win it today, wear it tomorrow, dude.
Speaker 3 (15:07):
But the more miserable I was, all right.
Speaker 2 (15:12):
Yeah the way.
Speaker 3 (15:15):
So what did you do?
Speaker 6 (15:17):
I started working out, brother, and I laid off the
junk food.
Speaker 2 (15:21):
And I started.
Speaker 3 (15:26):
Sometimes let me thorn peanuts and uprising.
Speaker 2 (15:33):
But a tennis ball under your skin want.
Speaker 3 (15:37):
And I do. So. I should have a goal, absolutely, Terry.
It can be anything you want.
Speaker 2 (15:46):
The most teacher said, you should have a goal your.
Speaker 3 (15:51):
Cereal.
Speaker 4 (15:52):
Mister Rose was a cool guy. If he could do it,
then I could do it.
Speaker 2 (15:57):
Here we go, cleaning out all the jump from his locker.
I was running.
Speaker 4 (16:05):
It was like hull look cop dudes and duets. I
was recreated from now on. It would be only positive
thoughts and positive deeds.
Speaker 3 (16:14):
So I created the fourmands.
Speaker 4 (16:18):
Work hard what second, say your prayers. Third, make sure
you take your viabmins every day.
Speaker 2 (16:43):
You know, I'm not seeing the difference in his kids.
It's the same. He's not a thing in there.
Speaker 4 (16:49):
Filey dudes, believe in yourself. The world was now ready
for truth, justice and the Hulk covid way.
Speaker 2 (16:58):
Its lackey too. It's still fat.
Speaker 4 (17:06):
Rose helped me set sail for the new world. Man,
no more feeling sorry for myself. I was gonna turn
a negative into a positive. But Rome wasn't built in
a day haulk maniacs, and neither was this. It took
a lot of hard work and positive thought. But now
I'm strong on the outside, but more important, I'm strong
on the inside. So what you're gonna do when hul
(17:28):
Comania runs wild on you?
Speaker 2 (17:35):
Directed by Mary Bethfielder? Where is she these days? Stories
from growing out Thoughts? I God, I don't I have no.
I don't even know where to begin with that.
Speaker 3 (17:49):
That is no.
Speaker 2 (17:50):
I mean it's you.
Speaker 1 (17:52):
Now have a mental image of young Terry, whether you want.
Speaker 2 (17:55):
It or not. I know, and I just don't understand,
Like I I don't know. It just felt like a
very repetitive thing, like it didn't really do much. And
then you know, you don't really see a difference in
the kid. They're not gonna have the kid actually drop
weight for this, I know, like special, Yeah, and like
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that's part of the problem, Like you know, you don't
see this this kid actually improve.
Speaker 1 (18:21):
Yeah, he's raising his hands in victory after running up
the stadium steps, and he's just as fat as he
was when he was eating two packs of Oreos.
Speaker 2 (18:29):
Tremendous stuff. You want to know something, I'll tell you.
I'll tell you a little secret here. H This was
apparently the last thing that Mary Beth Fielder directed. We
got added to the Death well no, not dead, she
just never directed anything after that Dead to the rest
of the world. She directed an episode of thirty something
and an episode of the New Adventures of Bean Baxter
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and then this.
Speaker 1 (18:52):
Amazing and that was it. It was very much cut
in the style of like kids programming of the day, you.
Speaker 2 (18:56):
Know, totally Oh my god, yeah, I mean I feel
like I must have seen this at some point.
Speaker 1 (19:00):
It's like in a minute in those things, right right, amazing,
where's the kid who played Hulkogan in this what's he doing?
Where is he now? How do we line up an interview?
That's my question, yep, But that's going to be my question,
I think for the duration of this journey, because there's
people out there who were in Hulk Hogan's periphery but
were on the inner side, in an inner circle such
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as it existed. They are just endlessly fascinating to me. Now,
a minor correction, It's not that Hulk Cogan never played
football a day in his life, but he absolutely was
not known as a football player. He says in one
of his books that everybody wanted him to play football,
particularly in high school, because he was so big and
he played a little, but when they put him on
the varsity team in tenth grade, he hated it so much.
Equid after two games and what they were showing. There
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was a story that he tells where his pe teacher.
It was on the football field for the where they
did pe, but it wasn't as part of a football team.
Speaker 2 (19:52):
This certainly wasn't wearing a helmet. This was a Nickelodeon thing.
That seems very right. This seems like every Nickelodeon show yes,
it does. It absolutely does, escially around the Are you
scared of the dar and all that? Yep, I afraid
of the dark.
Speaker 1 (20:05):
And so yeah, he was running on that field as
part of pe. And yes, the guy who was his
PE teacher would make him, according to his book, run
back and forth so that you know, the other kids
would pass him and lap him and kind of point
out how out of shape he was. But it wasn't
with football pads or a helmet on. It was really baseball.
That was as sport as we'll get to. And he
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basically says, you know that people hated him because he
quit football. You know, when you're three hundred pounds in
high school, like you're useless to people unless you play football.
Speaker 2 (20:35):
That's a reality that doesn't get talked about enough.
Speaker 1 (20:40):
Who's the big kid in Friday Night Lights, that tragic case,
you know, the big fat kid. That kid has no
choice but to play football. Of course, like otherwise people
are just going to look at him as like a
complete waste of human life.
Speaker 2 (20:52):
I mean I was being told, I was told basically
in high school that I had no choice, but I
just still said no, oh, really, they were trying to
get you in my God, the like the moment, the
moment I set foot in the school. The fucking the
football coaches were like, I would say, my first my
like my first semester of high school. They were all
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like trying to get me on the on the on
the jam. I never knew that. Yeah, No, I was
like horrified. I kind of wish was I kind of
wish I had now because I think I think I
would have enjoyed it. But I at the time, I
was like, no, no, I'm a band guy. Let me alone.
I gotta play my trumpet. Mmm, are you hult Cogan?
Because that's exactly what we just saw exactly brother brother
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brother Phil was my mister Rhodes, but brother Phil Brooks. Yeah,
but brother Phil never Brother Phil never taught me how
to train.
Speaker 1 (21:46):
And did brother Phil ever confide in you about being
fat to once? No, tremendous. So that's exactly we just
that was fucking magical which just happened right there. That's
exactly how helped it helped. Didn't want to do resting either.
They wanted him on the wrestling team, and ironically, considering
what he went on to do, you want to touch
that physicality either in his second book, he's a lot
(22:07):
more forthcoming about how really at the end of the day,
you'd be surprised. He's just a guy that wants to
avoid confrontation, like he wants to he wants all the money,
but he wants none of the confrontation. And when you
think of him that way, like it kind of makes
sense the way he moved through the world, you know,
and while he was always so like up to the
line of trying to like have a feud with somebody,
but always stepping back from that brink of like, might
(22:29):
I get actually get attacked in a parking lot. And
that's why the Hulk Hogan paranoia character that we've developed
over our time together is so spot on, because it's true.
He really is afraid of having his physical trump card pulled.
He's horrified by it, and he has been since he
was a kid. It isn't just a pro wrestling thing.
So that's just that's fascinating to me in its own way.
Speaker 2 (22:48):
It kind of is. It's it's uh, it's such an
interesting thing that he would end up kind of being
in this in a very in a very competitive business,
and that he would be not only go in it,
but become the biggest star in an extremely competitive business
that required, you know, physical altercations. It's so wild.
Speaker 1 (23:12):
We'll get to it as we get into the birth
of Hulk Hogan as opposed to the birth of Terry Bolea.
But what he basically describes in contradictory ways depending on
which version of the story you hear him tell, is
that once he realized that pro wrestling, he was a
fan and he was going to the matches in Tampa, sure,
but once he realized that actually these guys were cooperating
with each other, that's when he really got bullish about
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becoming a pro wrestler because that took that that physical
combat phobia out of the equation for him, and he's like,
this is what I can do because he was, you know,
he said, a hippie rock band guy. That's what he
was doing around Tampa, right. Well, we just sawway from
the leverage to that size. And while this emphasizes he
was a fat kid, a fat kid, I'm I'm not
saying it wasn't fat. I mean, we've I've seen plenty
(23:53):
of pictures by now of him. What he was was
he was just e extremely tall, like ludicrously tall, for
a teenage and he was look he he was also wide,
like I've seen a bunch of short a bunch of
pictures from yearbooks and stuff like that, and he was wide.
Speaker 2 (24:07):
He wasn't, but he wasn't like I don't know, he
wasn't like obese. No, No, he wasn't. I wouldn't.
Speaker 1 (24:16):
I would be surprised if he was called a fat kid.
And he certainly didn't look like this in this special.
This kid is short, fat kid. He's shorter than everyone
who's surrounding him trying to egg him on to stuff
his face. This kid was Hogan Terry Boley was taller
than high schoolers when he was in fucking junior high school.
So that that really doesn't track what we just saw there.
It was the height he was.
Speaker 2 (24:37):
He's a giant.
Speaker 1 (24:38):
You see pictures of him in Little League lineups. You
see pictures of him, you know, posing with other people
that other kids that he won bowling trophies with, and
he looks like he's a fucking he looks like he
has Audrey the giantism right had done some of these pictures,
honestly does and he did have a huge head. But fat, No,
and definitely not a short, fat kid, no way, No,
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definitely not. But for purposes, I guess if that inspire
kids to work out storyline that they were insisting on there,
they had they had to, they had to go with it.
But in terms of the gym and in terms of
his actual entrede to working out and being interested in it,
I don't know where he got the whole thing about
it being his uh his guitar teacher that that convinced
(25:24):
him to uh to try to work out. What he
basically says is that one of his friends wanted to
ride to the gym one day, Scott Thornton, his car
broke down and he asked Hulk Terry if he would
give him a ride to his gym, Hector's Gym on
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Platt Street, Hulk recalls in his first book a really
tough area of Tampa, and he gave him a ride
just to be a good friend, not because he was
interested in the gym. And once he got to the gym,
according to Hulk, Scott Thornton asked him to come in,
and Hope didn't even want to come in. So this
is like way after he would have had any kind
of talking to by his fucking guitar team about how
to lift weights. I mean, I don't know, maybe it's
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in there, maybe it happened, but he certainly didn't bother
mentioning it in his book, where he's as we've already
had fun with, extremely detailed for no reason about places,
street names, so weird, like anyone cares about the geographical
specificities of Tampa, you know.
Speaker 2 (26:22):
But you know he would ride. Why wouldn't you be brother?
Speaker 1 (26:27):
And this wasn't This wasn't even until he was playing
in bands in high school that this gym thing happens.
Not this this junior high terry bolea that that's that's
portrayed on what we just watched. And he said, yeah,
I was a fat kid with long hair playing in
a band. I was embarrassed to walk into a place
like this gym. But he was convinced to go in.
And he saw four or five guys in there. They
all started to look up to him, and they were
(26:47):
mountain men and they were nice to him. And he
wasn't used to that. He was used to being called
a piece of shit or made to feel like a
piece of shit. But when a guy with that kind
of size walks into a gym. People get excited about
what he might be able to do and how he
might be able to develop into a powerlifter that could
really bring repute to the gym.
Speaker 3 (27:04):
You know.
Speaker 1 (27:04):
That's that's my words, not his. But all of a
sudden he's surrounded by people who were like, no, push yourself, man,
and helping spot him and encouraging him, and so that
made a huge difference, calling spot calling a lot of things,
calling the cops. Have here, Oh my god, that's the
airbook photo. You can see hal Cogan in his face.
(27:26):
Oh god, yeah, I mean, but a fact, kid, I wouldn't.
He doesn't have jowls. He's got a jaw lined. Yeah,
he's all fish, he is.
Speaker 2 (27:34):
It's from nineteen sixty nine.
Speaker 1 (27:36):
Amazing next to Marcia Boggs, Janet Bocock, Renee Bobo, Rochelle Bloomston,
Dennis Blakeley Blakey. I wonder what they're up to now.
They remember terrrib terrible? Remember remember remember like kick him
in the balls or something like that. Earl Bengle, what
what do you do to Earle Bingle?
Speaker 3 (27:55):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (27:55):
I know all was really tough. Fun and you know,
the fictionalization continues and take a look at this thing.
This is a There was a cartoon called Biography Hulk Hogan.
This apparently was like a series of comic strips in
the mid eighties that would run in newspapers. This ran,
among other papers, I suppose, in the Winnipeg Sun. And
(28:15):
it's kind of like a comic strip of Hulk Hogan's
early life, similar to this, kind of like biographical sketch special,
you know, like here's a famous person, here's.
Speaker 2 (28:25):
What you want to know about him?
Speaker 1 (28:26):
And yeah, they show they show an illustration of a baby.
Oh Jesus in diapers. Why don't you read through the
different panels of this comic boss with Oh my god?
Speaker 2 (28:37):
Okay? Biography by John Roman featuring Hulk Hogan. Hulk Hogan,
the Worldlessing Entertainments heavyweight champ has been credited with the
rise of WrestleMania worldwide. That's absolutely correct. I've never heard
of that one. His awesome presence in charisma have made
him an international celebrity. It was said of Hulk born
(29:00):
Harry Bolea on August eleventh, nineteen fifty three, that if
there were weight divisions for newborns, he would have been
placed with the three month olds. Okay, you know, I
just want to say, Mike my child weighed more than him,
by the way, so not impressive.
Speaker 1 (29:15):
Yeah, that's that doesn't really Yeah, that doesn't track because
he was ten pounds something that movie. Yes, yeah, no,
no nothing. Mike my kid was eleven pounds five ounces,
So fuck that.
Speaker 3 (29:26):
Hul Cogan.
Speaker 2 (29:27):
Hull Cogan never dreamed of being a champion wrestler in
his early career. Well if he what career, then what
do you know? I mean early life because this.
Speaker 1 (29:39):
Is clearly more about the illustrations.
Speaker 2 (29:41):
If he was next in his early career, he would
definitely want to be world champion. I would imagine, imagine
every wrestler in their early career wants to be a
world champion.
Speaker 6 (29:49):
Give me the last fan wrestling podcast, the wrestling podcast
(30:22):
that knows the boys need their candy. It's the Lapsed Fan.
(30:58):
He's a lapsed fan wrestling podcast with Jack and JP Sorrow.
Speaker 1 (31:04):
And I will say this, this is eighty six. You know,
no other wrestler in the business is going to get
oh no drawing up. This is this is what we
can never forget about. What Hulk Hogan did is he
put himself in the conversation of people that like, yeah,
well he is a celebrity.
Speaker 2 (31:19):
You know, it's just like you know, I mean, we've
said this before. He just I feel like if they
had been able to pull off a movie in eighty seven, yep,
it would have been successful. Yeah, or even eighty five
or six, Well, I think that might have been. I
think they would need to I think WrestleMania needed needed
to happen first before they could wrestle Mania three. Well,
(31:40):
I'm saying WrestleMania one needed to happen before they could say, hey,
let's make a movie. I agree and so, but I
think between eighty five and eighty seven they could have
made a movie.
Speaker 1 (31:48):
It should have come out just as he started being
featured on Saturday.
Speaker 2 (31:51):
Night's main event. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (31:53):
Yeah, they could have promoted that shit at NBC. People
hadn't gone to see that movie. Absolutely, I think I
think it would have been It would have been a
different mom He would have had a different career if
it be absolutely pulled that off. And in fact, while
attending college near Tampa, Florida, he studied music and performed
in a local rock and roll band, Lifting ways to
perfect his already massive frame, Hogan was soon spotted by
(32:16):
a wrestling promoter who trained and aimed the Hulk toward
the professional wrestling ring. Hulk Hogan's motion picture debut in
ninet eighty two as Thunderlips and Rocky Three made him
an overnight sensation. Two years later, Hulk Hogan defeated the
Iron Chek to capture the world crown of professional wrestling.
He now reigns as one of the most popular sports
(32:38):
figures of the eighties.
Speaker 2 (32:40):
That's wild, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (32:42):
Just a little snippet of how big of a deal
Hogan was by eighty six, and again how the story
of his childhood is now starting to become a part
of the lore, starting to be folded into what people
are learning about how Hulk Hogan came to be. It's
time now for a passage from his book. We're going
to talk about uh kind of pick up where we
left off a bit in part one where Hogan's talking
(33:03):
about his father leaving New Hampshire. We joked about him
saying he doesn't know why he left New Hampshire, while
elsewhere in two other books explaining precisely why he did.
But this is Hull Coogan describing his folks when he
was a kid and what he remembers about being a
kid in Tampa.
Speaker 2 (33:18):
I'm not sure why my dad left New Hampshire. I
never asked him, but I know he was a hard
work or two, a guy who took pride in what
he did. I went on the job with him a
few times. Brother, when I was a kid.
Speaker 1 (33:29):
He was a fun dudg You didn't go on to
job with job, That's true.
Speaker 2 (33:33):
Good point. He was a foreman at that point, and
he had a couple of key guys who he relied on.
There was one when was he said this is I
didn't go past really much in my research on him.
When what was he doing after? After?
Speaker 3 (33:51):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (33:51):
What did he do after after Wait a minute, what
did he do? I'm getting all my Peter job Peter,
But I'm kind of my Peter Blay is mixed up.
Speaker 1 (34:01):
They did similar work, but what he did was basically
dig sewer systems from malls.
Speaker 2 (34:06):
But he was also but okay, so he stuck with plumbing, yes,
of sorts.
Speaker 1 (34:11):
But just like for big for big commercial projects. But
after right after.
Speaker 2 (34:19):
Yeah, okay, because I'm like, the last thing, the last
job I knew was when he was in the military
and he was doing the or working the Pama Panama
Canal Navy, US Navy whatever, and it was similar work.
It was.
Speaker 1 (34:30):
It was also kind of plumbing related. But yeah, he
went on to just be a guy that, you know,
a contractor for big, big plumbing and water hookup jobs.
Speaker 2 (34:40):
I got you. He was a foreman at that point,
and he had a couple of key guys who relied on.
There was one guy on the crane who had diged
the ditches and another one in the hole who he
trusted to bend the pipe and make everything fit. Brother, Well,
sounds well anyway, But sometimes the guys in the whole
assholes who were lazy or didn't know what they were doing. Ben,
(35:02):
my dad will get impatient. He would jump into the
hole and do the work himself, and that was dangerous sometimes, Brother,
I'd jump in the hole, Jump in the hole. Dude, Pete,
what are you doing? Brother? But what's going on? Dude?
Speaker 3 (35:17):
Dad?
Speaker 2 (35:17):
You're really going to do that?
Speaker 3 (35:18):
Dude?
Speaker 2 (35:19):
P three, What are you doing? Brother? What are you
going down there? Dude? Well, you must go out the window.
I'm not going out the window. Maybe. Pete Blay is
definitely the Joe Pesci and that Oh yeah, you afraid, right,
(35:40):
are you afraid?
Speaker 1 (35:41):
Mof So he gets in the hole, we get one
hundred and thirty degrees and that was dangerous sometimes because
we had a lot of soft sand in Florida and
holes had been known a cave in.
Speaker 2 (35:52):
I remember my mom worrying about my dad been way
down in a twenty or thirty or forty or fifty
or one hundred thousand foot hole ditch, nice embellishment there with
all that that soft sand around him. And it wasn't
just the danger that I remember. Sometimes guys would laugh
at my dad for working so hard, you know, the
guys he had kicked out of the hole because they
(36:13):
weren't doing the job right. They wouldn't be They would
be looking down at the old bald headed man working
his butt off, cracking up because he was doing their
work for him. I'll never forget that my dad was
good at what he did. I used to watch him
working with trigonometry tables brother big tables brothers emphasis on
(36:36):
rig tables right, trisy tables brother Ben in that PIZI
to just the pride angle because a lot of people
around that haven't been smartened up about plumbing. Because sometimes
he was the only one who knew how to do
that and make the water flow X number of miles,
and why amount of the time a fucking idiot, Why
(37:02):
he's proud of his dad? Next number of miles? And
why I'm and why I'm out of the time. He
worked until the sun baked his brains out, and he
put up put up with a lot of stuff on
the job. But he never said a bad word about anyone.
He might have had a nip of He might have
had a nip of cream sherry or a couple of
beers now and then, but he never heard him say
(37:22):
that guy's no good or that guy's an asshole. To
this day, he's the only person I ever met who
never said a bad word about anyone. Brother, unfortunate con
Why is that concerning?
Speaker 3 (37:37):
Three?
Speaker 2 (37:37):
You talking? Who are you talking about?
Speaker 3 (37:38):
Brother?
Speaker 2 (37:39):
Why aren't you talking about it? Who haven't you been
talking about? Who haven't you been talking to? Dude?
Speaker 3 (37:48):
You know?
Speaker 2 (37:48):
P three? What's going on?
Speaker 3 (37:49):
Brother? P three?
Speaker 2 (37:53):
I'm sorry? P three is money is money?
Speaker 3 (37:58):
Peter?
Speaker 2 (38:00):
We got P S, P J and P three? Did
uh did Terry call his dad? P? Three? No? I
never heard him say that. I heard a podcast is
about that these guys are usually right about what hull
Cocin does and says exactly, uh well never. Unfortunately, as
(38:30):
hard as my dad worked and as good as he
was at his job, construction workers didn't make a lot
of money. Since there was only two bedrooms in the house,
my brother, Alan and I had to share one of
them growing up. But Allen was a big guy, as
big as I am now by the time he was grown. What, okay,
you're as big as you are by the time you're
(38:51):
grown too, Terry, all as big as we are right time.
After a while, we got too big for the bed. Oh,
seeing they shared a bed too. They didn't share just
the bedroom. They shared a bed. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (39:02):
This is remember when Ruth corrects him on sat WCW
ninety four and she's like, well, all we put.
Speaker 2 (39:06):
Mattresses on the floor. Oh, there we go.
Speaker 1 (39:08):
And we did have a Lincoln and he did buy
us a condo because.
Speaker 2 (39:11):
I mean, he just says here he says we had
two bedrooms in the house, my brother and Alan and
I had to share one of them. He doesn't talk
about sharing a bed until just now. We got too
big for the bed and ended up sleeping on the floor.
It wasn't exactly luxurious, but somehow my mom made us
feel like we weren't deprived of anything. I remember every
Friday she would make minute steaks for us. That was
a big deal. Brother, get a skinny little steak on Friday,
(39:34):
because brother, you know, you know skinny steak Friday's dude,
you know we got we got minute Brother gotten a
minute steak because every time every you know, when mom
would do it during the week, Brother, it take like
fifteen minutes. So minute minute stakes on Friday were a
big deal.
Speaker 1 (39:48):
Right, Well, it wasn't special that we had steak. It
was just special because it took less time.
Speaker 2 (39:51):
To prepare time because she was tired for the week.
You know, by the time Friday rolled around, Terry Alan
Alan steaks are ready steaks jeo, Right, we have a
fortune and Jeopardies on. Eat your steak and I got
your I got your box potatoes. No air conditioning either,
(40:13):
I don't I honestly, I don't think I could have
lived during those days.
Speaker 1 (40:17):
No, not in Florida. I mean, just put me on
the ground. Put me in the ground with peat bolea
let that let the soft sand wash.
Speaker 2 (40:25):
Over me miserable, absolutely miserable. But you know that was
a main event kind of deal. And my mom is
a tall woman about five feet and eight inches in
her prime. Wow, their prime in her prime, rib but
you should probably, I mean, I'm sure you got shorter
as you get older. But that's a weird way to
(40:45):
talk about your peak, hite, your prime, I know, I mean,
I mean, I'm yeah, I mean, my grandma, it's something
as if it's something you earn, you know, exactly, as
if like you know, you know, it's like as if
you're in peak, you know, like your peak condition, your
peak kite five eight inches, you know, five to five
eight eight inches. Brother, you know. Before she met my
dad as a teenager and into early twenties, she was
(41:07):
a real good dancer. So that's where he got his
professional wrestling chops from.
Speaker 3 (41:11):
Right.
Speaker 1 (41:11):
They were a musical family, like her mom was like
in the papers in Maine for like doing piano and
all that.
Speaker 2 (41:18):
Yep, she even taught at some point. I remember seeing
pictures of her when she was a kid with a
little dance uniform on. My mom always used to tell
me that she thrived on stress, that stress was her energy.
She was trying to figure out how she was going
to pay the bills or take care of some family crisis.
To get spacific, we moved to Paul. It's fucking Paul
(41:40):
Avenue again. To get pacific brother, we moved to Paul
Avenue in Port Tampa, Florida, two blocks south of Gandy Boulevard.
You many years later, I realized that living south of
Gandy makes you an official so og in Tampa speaking
Soog for South a Gandy brother.
Speaker 1 (41:58):
Okay, anymore, Tampare I can regale us with.
Speaker 2 (42:05):
The perception is that where uh is? That is, that's
where all the PiZZ or people in Tampa live. That
was full of.
Speaker 3 (42:16):
It.
Speaker 2 (42:16):
Here we go the blizz piz that was full of
football players and wrestlers and all kind of redneck tough guys.
Oh yeah, everyone thought of south of Gandhy as full
of wrestlers. That's not a negative thing. If you're from
Port Temple. There's a certain mystique about it. So people
(42:38):
always assumed that I was a whole lot tougher than
that I really was, just because of where I grew up.
In many ways, Port Temple was like its own small town.
Most of the big roads in the area were dirt
back then, and and there were red brick streets between
the rows of houses. They still exist, actually, which is
a pretty unique side to see. Could or not you
(43:01):
knew your neighbors you you couldn't help it. The houses
were no more than a stone's throw away from each
other on any street. I drove back through through there
a couple of times in recent years, and I'm surprised
how small everything seems now. Kid, it was really like
my whole world. And my father Pete, my mother Ruth,
and my older brother Allan and I all lived in
(43:22):
a little white, two bedroom home. You probably wouldn't believe
it if you saw it. It was very humble. And
I'm not saying it's like the house that Burt Reynolds
and those guys walked up to in Deliverance, but when
I watched the movie. But when I watched the movie
Ray about Ray Charles, and they showed him grown up
in a little wooden house, it's kind of like that.
Speaker 1 (43:42):
It's the house they show in w c W ninety four.
Speaker 2 (43:45):
Right there we go, just a little square box.
Speaker 3 (43:47):
You know.
Speaker 2 (43:48):
When Al and I were teens, we had to sleep
Caddy Corner on the floor because we couldn't fit two
twin beds in the room that we shared. My dad
was a pipe fitter and he was great at it.
I remember that doing this again. I remember he did
big jobs and installing drainage systems, if for the malls
and high rises that were being built around Tampa. After
(44:09):
a few years, he was promoted a foreman when the
road was all dug up and they were laying big
six foot cox foot pipes, big six foot pipes. Brother,
I got big six foot pipes right here, dude.
Speaker 1 (44:20):
Yeah, this is this is a little repetitive because it's
taken from both of his books.
Speaker 2 (44:23):
Oh I see, I see.
Speaker 1 (44:24):
Okay, well, well we can call it there. Thanks for that.
So that's that's basically his description of, you know, how
his parents conducted, you know, the household, so that that
was domestic life as a bolea and uh, you know,
if it's kind of the wrong side and the rough
side of the tracks, and if there's you know, this
expectation that when you're from the Port Tampa area south
(44:44):
of Gandhy or whatever.
Speaker 2 (44:45):
He said.
Speaker 1 (44:48):
That you've seen some ship that you are ready to scrap,
that you're kind of from a harder scrabble area. I mean, brother,
people talk, people use racial slurs. Brother, That's just the
way it is, right, Yep, that's right, dude. Because when
Terry got caught on tape using the racial slurs, he
(45:09):
did not hesitate in some of the Mia Culpa media interviews.
He did around the horn with all the big national
news show ploy to blame the neighborhood for why God
so flippantly used the language. And here is a clip
about the controversy at the time of him doing that.
And this intrepid news station in Tampa went out and
asked some people who still live in the neighborhood he's
(45:31):
referring to, and lived in the neighborhood he's referring to
at the time he did, as to whether that tracks.
You take a guess as to what's going to happen here.
Speaker 11 (45:38):
Tailed the hero Hulk Hogan has tumbled from grace all
thanks to a secretly recorded sex tape.
Speaker 2 (45:45):
And it's what we haven't.
Speaker 11 (45:46):
Heard on that tape, a racial slur that has caused
the Hulks the most disgraced. Tonight, he's begging for forgiveness
and even blaming his South Tampa upbringing for being in
this mess in the first place. Carson Chambers has more
for us tonight.
Speaker 2 (46:00):
Carson Schafer, Well.
Speaker 10 (46:01):
W W E RO is about to kick off here
tonight at Emily Arena at seven thirty. You can see
all the trucks parked over here in these parking lots.
WWE actually erased Hulk Hogan from its Hall of Fame
pretty recently, and his old Port Tampa neighbors they aren't
very happy.
Speaker 5 (46:18):
With him either.
Speaker 3 (46:19):
I'm not a racist. I never should have said what
I said. It was wrong.
Speaker 10 (46:23):
Terry Belayam aka Hulk Hogan begging for forgiveness.
Speaker 4 (46:26):
I'm embarrassed by it, but a lot of people need
to realize that you inherit things from your environment.
Speaker 10 (46:34):
During the private conversation linked by The National Enquirer, Balaya
reportedly uses racial slur speaking of his daughter's then boyfriend
and where.
Speaker 4 (46:43):
I grew up with South Tampa and it was a
really rough neighborhood, very low income, and all my friends
we greeted each other saying that word.
Speaker 3 (46:53):
The word was just thrown around like it was nothing.
Speaker 10 (46:55):
Tonight, neighbors so grew up with Hogan, who went to
high school with him, who live in poor Tampa say
they're disappointed.
Speaker 5 (47:02):
Oh, I think it's ridiculous.
Speaker 10 (47:04):
There's absolutely no no reason for anybody to say that
this area caused them.
Speaker 2 (47:08):
To be racist.
Speaker 5 (47:10):
Aik Lagrant grew up here.
Speaker 10 (47:11):
He's put in orders at VT Clark's General Store since
he was a kid. Candy then chicken salad.
Speaker 12 (47:17):
Now, discommunity is not a racist community that we've growne
up to goe other black and white all my life.
Speaker 5 (47:23):
So La Grant says he was always proud of Hogan.
Speaker 10 (47:26):
Sue Scott was too, graduated the same year with balaa
for Robinson High School. In fact, her husband still has
the yearbook on a backshelf in the store.
Speaker 13 (47:35):
I think he just got wrapped up in whatever he's
wrapped up in because he was always a really nice guy.
And I mean, I don't know that person now.
Speaker 10 (47:48):
Poor Tampa's a tight knit place that supports its own.
But Balaya's excuses aren't impressing former neighbors.
Speaker 12 (47:56):
I think that most racists don't take responsibility for how
they are. It's easy to blame somebody else for themselves.
Speaker 10 (48:04):
Bala gets pretty emotional during the interview. You can watch
the whole thing on abcactionews dot com.
Speaker 5 (48:11):
In Tampa. I'm Carson Chambers, ABC Action News.
Speaker 1 (48:14):
It's talking how like you know, it's really low income area.
He never says there are a lot of black kids around.
He never says that. No, he basically says, like because
they're poor, like we use that word.
Speaker 2 (48:24):
I mean, I mean, look, there's I'm not I'm not
I'm I'm certainly not gonna try to find I I
take I take umbrage with both of h I take
my umberge with both sides of this. That of what
you played, Hogan. You can't blame fucking neighborhood for what
you say. But at the same time, you can blame
how you grew up. You can absolutely blame how you
(48:46):
grew up. And there were and those people who were
saying you can't, we're like implying that, and I'm listen,
we're all. We're all, we're all. We all have that,
you know we have, but we have to learn the
good and the bad from how we grew up and say, well,
wait a minute, like this is actually not okay. But
we absolutely you know, he can say he said whatever
(49:07):
he said when he was a kid, because it probably happened,
and you probably did think it was okay, just like
you know, when when we were in high school, dropping
the f gay sler was like just common. And it
when you think, when I think about it, I mean,
even saying that something was gay, it's like when you
(49:28):
really think about it, yeah, it's not. Actually, I mean,
it has a bad it has a it means something bad.
And and but we said it a lot. I said
it because that was what was around me, and and
it it wrung true. I regret it. I would never
say that now, but it happened, and I can't deny that.
(49:49):
You know, I'm not going to sit there, and you know,
I learned from my mistakes and I know not to
not to say shit like that anymore. And that's the thing,
like they're not both sides are not really saying that,
you know.
Speaker 1 (50:05):
And you talk about the the slur for for homosexuals. Yeah, yeah,
that's something you would call. And I'm sure there are
plenty of exceptions to this, and it's horrible, but I'm
sure I'm sure most of the time you're thinking of
using that word, you're not using it.
Speaker 2 (50:20):
Torture. No, that's the thing I'm not.
Speaker 3 (50:22):
I'm not.
Speaker 1 (50:22):
But exactly where he used with that hard R on
that case, there's no way that it was okay for
him to use that word like it was okay for
us to use that word.
Speaker 2 (50:33):
No, no, no, what I'm but well, yeah, no, I know,
I know you're using it. You're using it in a
negative way because that word was is just I mean
that word right totally, And I'm not I'm not trying
to I'm just trying to use that as an example
of something, but like I'm literally not trying to equate
the usage of it more just like you you you
(50:57):
you do stupid shit as a kid, because that's what
it is. And I'm not defending that. I'm more saying
as an adult, you have to fucking take responsibility for
it and you have to just not do that ship
anymore and realize you did something wrong.
Speaker 1 (51:16):
You know it is it is something that he goes
down that road when he's got the scrutiny on him,
you know, and the things starting to.
Speaker 2 (51:21):
Crash down because my upbringing brothers right well, because right,
and I'm it's no, no, dude, you can't didn't work.
Nice try, it didn't work you.
Speaker 1 (51:34):
I mean that what did he think this news channel
is going to go down? To Port Tampa. Everyone's gonna say, yeah,
he's got a point. We we we call black people
that all the time. Yeah, no, exactly, I'm not gonna
work pal right. It's just it's just it's it's just
bad all around. Like and when you hear the tapes
of him talking to Nick and Jail, it's like it's
it's like a thing with him. It's not he he
does say to Heather Clem, you know, I'm racist to
(51:56):
a point, you know, ef and and word with the
hard R on it that that the one thing I
take Umberge with even more so is kind of this
intimation in those interviews those met a couple interviews that
he almost used it as a term of endearment. You know,
he's almost he's almost trying to say like he was
allowed to use the term as a as a term
of endearment because where he grew up. And it's like, dude, like, no,
(52:18):
you know you didn't call you didn't call any of
your black friends if you even had any that word.
You think in a in a collegial way, it's don't
try that one.
Speaker 2 (52:27):
It's not a word you can use. If you do
use it, you're yours. What this is what happens, very
exactly exactly. It's very simple. You can use it.
Speaker 1 (52:36):
You just can't claim the hood.
Speaker 2 (52:38):
You can. You can use it. But but you but
you get a fucking you have a lot of repair
to do, a lot of damage to repair.
Speaker 1 (52:45):
All right, Yeah, you can't. You can't talk your way
around and the damage. It's it's like, of course, none
of that happened. So it's it's fascinating that this kind
this kind of recolored his Tampa upbringing experience. He's leveraged
it in this way and talked about it in this way.
He talks about the wrestlers being all over that part
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of Tampa and the football players. One thing I will
give him is that there wasn't yet a professional sports
franchise in Tampa, Florida. There wasn't the Buccaneers. There was
this University of Tampa football and there was wrestling at
the fort Hesternley Armory and that was it. So, you know,
this was one of those parts of the country, like
the Carolinas and other parts of the country that really
you know that the pro wrestling stars were like the
second third tier biggest sports figures in the market. Memphis,
(53:30):
Memphis much the same way as well, And so I
can see maybe what he means in that regard, because
just like Texas. I mean, we had Tito Santana with
us on stage, and I had the Terry funk Head
in front of me, and we were talking about how
many he was talking about how many pro wrestlers came
out of West Texas state when he was there. He
was listening them off like you wouldn't believe, from DUBIASI
(53:50):
to Totally Blanchard, to Stan Hansen to Bruiser Brody, on
and on and on, and the people in the crowd
were like gasping. It's like no, like that is how
the territorial bosses used to recruit wrestlers. They used to
be in markets where there wasn't a whole hell of
a lot of professional sports opportunities. I mean, the Cowboys existed,
but even then, I think there were the cults in
the earliest days of the Fritz vand Eric and further
(54:11):
to the West Texas that's more San Antonio, that's more
the Joe Blanchard market. So no pro football franchise there,
but you do have you know, all these college athlete
jocks who aren't going to make pro and they're the
talk of the town that the girls absolutely want to
swallow their dick's hole. And you've got you've got something
you can work with as far as creating a wrestler
(54:32):
that might actually draw crowd in your city, and you
would just recruit from the from the football players, that's
what you would do.
Speaker 2 (54:37):
Yeah, you know, well how in Minnesota? Fucking get em?
All they've had sports teams.
Speaker 1 (54:42):
For Minnesota was much more of the wrestlers, you know,
it was much more you know, people who grew up
amateur wrestling from boyhood and went to as less of
the football players, though Brock is kind of an example
of that. He also wrestled. He never actually he never
played football until until he made the fucking Viking. So
I take that one back.
Speaker 6 (55:00):
It's the lab fan wrestling podcast, the wrestling podcast that
(55:34):
knows the boys need their candy. It's the Lapsed Fan.
(56:09):
He's a lapsed fan wrestling podcast with Jack and JP Soro.
Speaker 2 (56:16):
I certainly had an interest in it. It was so bizarre,
what a weird, what a weird career, yes, that he's had,
and just like it's weird jobs and.
Speaker 1 (56:27):
So for Tampa, it was I mean, just thinking of
all of them. Uh, certainly Brian Blair, you know, was
a football player who tried to make it somewhere and
ended up becoming a wrestler in Tampa. I think Steve
Kern too, Mike Graham, I think played a bit of football.
Speaker 2 (56:45):
It's in high school and stuff.
Speaker 1 (56:47):
And so yeah, Terry didn't see himself plugging into that
Tampa sport. Tampa football player to pro wrestler pipeline. Dusty Rhoades,
although he was a Texas boy, uh, you know, it
came to be, came to persona fy Florida wrestling he was,
he was a series football player coming up in the world.
West Texas well, he claimed West Texas even though he
famously played in a game, even though he never went there.
(57:07):
He played in the alumni game. Or is that Dick Murdock.
It's easy to get the too confused because they're basically
the same person in a lot of ways. So yeah,
it's all part of what he's talking about, this sort
of a wrestler too, this football the wrestler.
Speaker 2 (57:22):
Pipeline in these parts of the country.
Speaker 1 (57:24):
So I just found it fascinating that, you know, he's
got this idyllic description of his upbringing, and then it's
also the cause of his downfall.
Speaker 2 (57:32):
Right exactly, of course, and listen anything anything he can
do to really avoid responsibility. So we progress through the fifties.
Speaker 1 (57:41):
Hulk, of course, as discussed having been born in fifty four,
there's nothing really in the Tampa papers about him for
the first ten years of his life that would stand
to reason. Of course, there was this one item. I
don't know, We're never going to know the story here
unless someone remembers it from back in the day. But
in nineteen sixty four there was an item in one
of the papers out in Tampa that was speaking to
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a civil action damage that was awarded to both Peter
Boleya and Terry Bolea, who would have only been eleven
years old at this time, if not ten. It just
says Terry Boleya at all, which means it was like
a bunch of different plaintiffs versus Alfred L. Smith civil
action damages, with d Hyman not Hayman, serving as attorney
(58:24):
and Peter Bolaya Junior also receiving civil action damages.
Speaker 2 (58:28):
Now I would love to know.
Speaker 1 (58:31):
What it was that happened did Terry and his father
when Terry was eleven that entitled them to civil action
damages against this Alfred L.
Speaker 2 (58:40):
Smith.
Speaker 1 (58:41):
I did a ton of searching trying to figure out
who Alfred L. Smith was and if he was somewhat
of any renown. It certainly isn't reflected in the newspapers.
But that's just you know, I'm never going to not
be fascinated by that one. Yeah, good luck finding records
from nineteen sixty four on some fucking civil action thing.
But uh, we're just playing seeds along the way, baby,
(59:01):
Just because just because they haven't sprouted yet by the
time we record doesn't mean that someday the sun might
not hit them.
Speaker 2 (59:08):
So what was the civil action? What was it? Is
it related to a slight operation? Perhaps? I don't know,
I don't know. Hmmm. Turned the page.
Speaker 1 (59:18):
We turned the page to nineteen sixty five, and this
is where you start to see in the Tampa newspapers
mentioned if Terry Bolea as this little league baseball standout.
He's being written up. He's about twelve years old, and
they're talking about how huge he is and how much
bigger he is than his teammates and his opponents, and
how as a result, he's a big power hitter and
a big pitcher and very difficult to deal with on
(59:41):
the little league field. Yeah, I think that's kind of
like if you ever kind of got involved with little league,
that's kind of the thing. It's like, who's got the
big kid, Who's got that one kid who grows way
earlier than the rest, and that team is really well
positioned to go far, Like you only really need one
of them, and you could be like the best team
round because no one can match him. You put him
(01:00:02):
on the mound, its lights out. He gets to the plate,
he's gonna smash the ball and no one's gonna touch it.
He's in the little league fence. It's so close to
home plate, and this kid's as strong as a fucking
senior high school Like he's gonna put it over the fence.
It's it's a real thing. And that was Terry Bolea.
He was that guy, And we would know a lot
about this in the first place, because when he went
(01:00:24):
on Ourcinio Hall for that infamous nineteen ninety one meyacopa
ye about steroid use. I think one thing that's forgotten
about that we all know the line, I'm not a
steroid abuser and I don't use steroid. I wasn't a
steroid abuser. I don't use steroids. However he phrased it.
Speaker 2 (01:00:39):
I did use steroids, but I don't abuse steroids. And
I'm not on steroids right now. Right, I did do
steroids this morning, but I'm not currently on steroids. That's
exactly right. And I'm not currently abusing steroids either for
that matter. Yeah, because I'm not even doing them as
we speak. So yeah, and he said he only took
it three times to heal an injury, which was the
biggest part of the Like, you know, if he didn't
(01:01:01):
say that, it would kind of be like, all right,
he's playing word games here. But he actually completely fabricated
like this, this artificial finite amount of times that he
actually ever did it, which was thoroughly disproven in the
trial to the point of absolute hilarity. But you know,
this is before he knew that he was going to
be forced under oath to acknowledge all that stuff. He
(01:01:21):
had been excused from testifying in George the Horrian's trial,
which is the trial that was you know, contemporaneous with
the Arsenio Hall appearance, and why he felt like he
had to go out there and do damage control because
his name had come up in this Orian trial. Of course,
Jerry mcdibbittt was successful and getting Hogan for reasons that
were under seal and remain under seal, excused from having
to testify for a courtesy that was not extended to
(01:01:42):
Roddy Piper, Brian Blair, Rick Martel and the others who
were forced to take the stand. How did he get
files like that out of you know, yeah, unsealed.
Speaker 1 (01:01:51):
It's a great question, and I think if you go
back in the trial of his life, one of my
great frustrations was there's paper on file in the docket
that says that in nineteen ninety five for the judge
did in fact unseal those records, but they are not
in the court file. They got that they are not
in the court file. Someone petition to have them unsealed,
and you can't find him. And that's why he's referred
(01:02:13):
to as John Doe and all the records because he
petitioned to keep his name out of it. Because he
was able to successfully argue to the judge that he
would suffer unduly from a publicity negative publicity standpoint to
prove points that all the other witnesses could prove just fine.
And you don't need to add Hulk Hogan on too
it to create a media circus to say and prove
(01:02:34):
all the same things that these other four wrestlers who
are testifying are going to say improve for you, including
superstar Billy Graham. So that was the freak show down
there in the Pennsylvania George the Horrian trial. But what's
forgotten I think about that Arsenio Hall appearance is not
just the prevarication on a mount of steroid use and
current steroid abuse or lack thereof. It's that he brought
with him to the show a picture of him in
(01:02:57):
Little League, Oh yes, and he shows it to our
sen you know, and they put it up on the
screen for everybody to see. And just like he leveraged
his upbringing and Port Tampa for the the the Apology,
the Apology tour on the racial slurs, he's now using
his history as a fat headed outside literally player as
a mitigating factor in his steroid allegations. So here is
(01:03:22):
the use to which Terry Bolea put his Little League
exploits years and years later after becoming a guy in
the spotlight.
Speaker 4 (01:03:29):
And basically it put a dark cloud over everything that
I believe in.
Speaker 3 (01:03:33):
So let me do it like Mike.
Speaker 1 (01:03:37):
I'm gonna cut it off right here. I got an agenda.
Speaker 2 (01:03:42):
Read Okay, don't try to be a journalist there.
Speaker 4 (01:03:49):
American, I love my family. Question, this isn't a Alzado
story You're going to hear out here because like the picture,
you have the picture, the picture that I shoot.
Speaker 2 (01:04:01):
Yeah, of course he has the picture figured out ahead
of time.
Speaker 3 (01:04:05):
Amazing.
Speaker 4 (01:04:06):
Okay, I was ten years old on my little league. Yeah,
weigh I weigh one hundred ninety six pounds. Look how
fat my head was? The hat git on my head.
Speaker 3 (01:04:14):
You were my fat then I was.
Speaker 4 (01:04:16):
I was one hundred ninety six pounds when I was
ten years old. When I graduated from high school, I
was three hundred pounds, and right now I'm about two
ninety five. So basically, I was insulted when basically the
inferences or the speculation said, well, all you to do
is take a pill or take a shot in the
butt every day to get to look like hul Cogan.
And basically I've trained twenty years. I'm thirty eight, thirty seven,
(01:04:36):
I'll be thirty a couple of months. Oh my god,
I had to say that.
Speaker 3 (01:04:38):
But I've trained, I've.
Speaker 4 (01:04:39):
Trained twenty years, two hours a day to look like
I do. But the things that I am not is
I'm not a steroid abuser and I do not use steroids.
Speaker 1 (01:04:49):
It's the thing he said right before he said the
famous line, the whole thing about baseball. Wow, And later on,
Ursineo even says, it's kind of funny, you see if
I can pull it up. Uh, he just he makes
reference to it after like the conversation has changed a
little bit and moved on to something else, but he
calls he calls back to it, and he just like
he uses a Hogan line basically by saying like, yeah,
(01:05:10):
I know you were just exaggerated.
Speaker 4 (01:05:11):
First, what I am is because well all you just
take a pillar two hours a day to look like
I do. But the things that I am not this
is I'm not a steroid abuser and I do not
use steroids.
Speaker 3 (01:05:23):
You were eight hundred pounds when you were fat?
Speaker 2 (01:05:26):
Damn right, I'm fucking right, My god, you were eight
hundred pounds when you were five? Is that a run?
Speaker 3 (01:05:41):
You know?
Speaker 2 (01:05:42):
Well a run dude, when I was you know, I
had to run when I hit the baseball. I had
the runs when I was young, dude. You know I
was thinking. I was trying to remember too, you know,
and you know he showed not the not the little
league picture, but he showed when when when Hogan made
his first appearance on on Carson, Carson found one of
(01:06:06):
his like third grade picture or something like that. And
he's still huge. You know, he's still like he's tall
over everybody else. He he just towers over everybody.
Speaker 1 (01:06:16):
And that was you know, there was no steroid like
whiff of scandal about it. It was just everybody knows
this guy as this massive son of a bitch who
was in what Rocky three?
Speaker 2 (01:06:25):
Yeah, tell us, And that's that's all they knew him from. Really,
you know, that's you know, people always forget too. You know,
everyone talks about about that about Rocky three, But you
got to remember being on Carson back then. That was
also huge for people's careers. It's all it took.
Speaker 1 (01:06:42):
That's all it took to become a celebrity, was you
just you just went on the late night shows, and
you know, you wouldn't be invited on if you weren't
involved with something that was hot, you know, so.
Speaker 2 (01:06:54):
Of course, yeah, and listen if you're and if you're
you know, Rocky at that point, come on. I mean,
it's it's massive, Like.
Speaker 1 (01:07:02):
Your publicist could just earn an entire years living by getting.
Speaker 2 (01:07:05):
On one of these shows.
Speaker 1 (01:07:06):
You know, It's like it's very simple what it was
everyone was chasing, how how how much better it was
when all of the uh, all the different streams flowed
to one drain, you know, I mean they.
Speaker 2 (01:07:16):
Know, I know, and it's like, you know it, what
what would people?
Speaker 3 (01:07:20):
You know?
Speaker 2 (01:07:21):
When when when when people need to mimic and and
copy and rip off, it's like you're not only you're
you're you're you're not only uh not going to be
as successful number one most likely, but you're also you're
diminishing what it means, yeah, to be, to do, to do,
(01:07:44):
to be on something like that. It's just gone.
Speaker 1 (01:07:47):
I mean, they just did an angle with Jelly Roll
and Logan ahead of Summer Slam on Jimmy Kimmel, and
nobody talked about it. Even wrestling fans didn't talk about
it when it happened, because people this isn't appointment viewing anymore.
People watch it happen. Yeah, they just watch it chopped
up ten minute clips on YouTube the next day if
they watch it at all. And for a little while
the late night shows pretended that was enough. But you know,
(01:08:09):
I think we're seeing that this probably isn't.
Speaker 2 (01:08:12):
So here is.
Speaker 1 (01:08:13):
I'm so glad you mentioned that because we'll play a
little bit of Carson thing too, because that's kind of
an earlier example of Hogan leveraging not to get out
from under the cloud of scandal, but leveraging his storied
boyhood for for human interest points on talk on the
talk show circuit.
Speaker 4 (01:08:31):
Most of the stuff like this I have made, but
other things I can go to a fat man store
and get my legs in and then they just take
the waist up, pan, close everything up.
Speaker 2 (01:08:39):
Huh you are.
Speaker 8 (01:08:42):
Somebody had to give me this picture here? Oh, this
says the Ballast Points School, Miss Msach.
Speaker 1 (01:08:48):
It looks like a pudgy, fucking snowman.
Speaker 2 (01:08:51):
I mean, he hasn't figured out how to kind of
rack them rot. He's so fucking ghast. I mean he's huge,
but he's just like he's like cut, He's like he's
just a bunch of marshmallows put together.
Speaker 1 (01:09:03):
Yeah, he's just so full of the fluid retention that
happens when you take a lot of these steroids. And
he doesn't understand, like I think it's as far whatever
you take tickets. This is one of the three times, right,
this is one of the three times that but he
took steroids.
Speaker 2 (01:09:19):
It really worked. He must have just got hurt. Brother.
Speaker 8 (01:09:24):
Primary third grade, and you are I'll just show you
what you look like in the third grade.
Speaker 3 (01:09:29):
You can.
Speaker 8 (01:09:30):
I thought for a moment you were a fellow on
the right in the picture there, but obviously this is
the teacher right, you are right right here. But you're
still bigger than all the kids in the third grade right.
Speaker 3 (01:09:41):
That picture.
Speaker 2 (01:09:43):
The brother, he's very concerned.
Speaker 3 (01:09:46):
What thing? Uh?
Speaker 2 (01:09:49):
He doesn't look like a fact yet at all in
this picture. He looks he's rail thin. He definitely isn't
a kid that everyone's surrounding screaming eat eat. Not in
all way, not at all.
Speaker 3 (01:10:00):
Nobody yours one of our one of our staff. On that.
Let me take a break. We'll come back. We'll talk tomorrow. Right,
stay where you are, we're about you're just join us.
Speaker 8 (01:10:16):
We're talking with Hull Holgan.
Speaker 3 (01:10:18):
We have.
Speaker 8 (01:10:20):
Book shields and George Miller will join us. I suppose
you say you way about what now three twenty.
Speaker 3 (01:10:25):
Something like that, three twenty around.
Speaker 8 (01:10:26):
Most people think very big people eat gigantic amounts of food.
Speaker 3 (01:10:30):
Not necessarily true.
Speaker 4 (01:10:31):
Right well, right now, I'm trying to keep my body
weight under three twenty right around there. Yeah, if I
was eating normally or just about the same amount of
food that you ate, i'd probably jump to three fifty
or three.
Speaker 2 (01:10:41):
Sixty light leg when you're in grade school. Yeah, thanks
for that, boss, that's a great catch. I forgot brought.
Speaker 1 (01:10:50):
But it's weird. He acts like he didn't bring the
He actually he wasn't expecting to see that picture. He
shuts it down.
Speaker 2 (01:10:56):
He does. I mean, I don't know, I don't know.
I mean, he acts horrified that that Carson horror picture.
Where'd you get the picture?
Speaker 3 (01:11:03):
Brother?
Speaker 2 (01:11:03):
I like, I I mean, I don't know, Like it's
one of those things where I mean, I don't know
how you would have found it. But if he didn't
bring it, right, like, how is did you call?
Speaker 3 (01:11:12):
Like?
Speaker 2 (01:11:13):
Would you would they have called? Uh? Like the school?
If they? I mean, I imagine he's got researchers on
his staff. Yeah, but like he's looking. Hogan's looking off stage.
He's looking like this is not someone rolled them up
from behind right there.
Speaker 1 (01:11:27):
That's one of the earliest examples. Brother, you gotta watch it.
So the first Terry Buley reference I could find was
Tampa Times June nineteen sixty five, as in a box
score for the inter Bay Little League team, where he
is listed as one of two contributors to a victory
for the Little Generals. I think here now the Rebels
(01:11:50):
defeating the Little Generals, and it was Hulk Cogan, Terry
Bully himself listed here as getting eleven strikeouts in the game. Wow,
there's definitely uh, there's definitely a thing where his pitching
is is a huge part of his a huge part
of his value add out there and he pitched for
(01:12:15):
he pitched well further in sixty five, as we hit
the summer, he's pictured with a bunch of other kids
in the Interbayed Little League All Stars and he's he's big.
He's not as tall as the tallest kids, but at
the age range I think is a little wider. So
there's kids that are much older. But there he is
right next to lou Garcia, the manager and Eugene Doyle
(01:12:36):
and a couple of adults. But he's definitely if he's
the same age as some of these kids up in
the front row, which you have to suppose he is.
I'll show you the picture here, and people have seen this.
It's it's well circulated. Some of these pictures, not all
of them, but some of them. You'll see Terry Bulla
there in third row, right next to the manager who's
(01:12:58):
wearing just like a so it's just a T shirt.
Speaker 2 (01:13:02):
Looks like such a dope, I mean, he really does.
It was like such a fucking dope with his round face,
his tiny fucking mouth. You would have bullied him back then. Well, no,
I probably would have been friends with them and we
would have been bullied together. That totally what would happen.
And I would have sat there and like just I
(01:13:23):
would have I totally would have been right next to
him getting picked on, No question.
Speaker 1 (01:13:28):
Ye, he's he's also a bowler, also a big time bowler.
As he talks about fucking weird, I know that makes
him kind of a d weep too.
Speaker 2 (01:13:41):
He does bowler.
Speaker 1 (01:13:43):
Uh, he had a He had a friend named Vic
who whose family owned a bowling alley that was walking
distance from Terry's house growing up, and so that had
a lot to do with why he was able to
get so many reps in. But in equal measure, these
early newspaper mentions of Terry Bolea on the little league
field also meant his bowling exploits. Here's an example from
the October third, nineteen sixty five Tampa Tribune. Terry Boleya
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a twelve year old Panorama Kegler, Kegler being a word
for bowler, panorama being I believe the name of the
bowling Alley rolled one seventy five, one forty three, one
ninety one, five oh nine and will receive two AJBC patches,
one for the one hundred ninety one game and another
for the better than five hundred series. So he's doing
a lot about bowling, but he's doing enough to get
(01:14:27):
written up in the paper about it. Yes November of
sixty five, UH, the unofficial leaders after the initial round
of the Tampa Junior Bowling Association Championships were released. Following
yesterday's rolling at a Damo Bowlera, the event will finish
Saturday with one shift at eleven.
Speaker 2 (01:14:41):
Am Bowlaya at the Bowlera. You got it bow l
e ra a bolrea. But in the era, in the doubles,
in the Bantams, Bantams being I guess that the phrase
they would use for the younger bowlers, the boys. Uh
top scorers Terry Boleya and his friend Vic Pettitt, Vic
(01:15:03):
Petit pre sure how he said it listed right here
at one thousand and thirty eight, and uh, my god,
you want to see what he's talking about with the
big head. That little league picture doesn't do it justice
when he's standing, you know, with his big baseball friends,
when he's standing next to his bowling buddies. Yeah, take
a look at what he looks like. Man, he looks
like Andre the Giant in this picture. Whoa look at him.
Speaker 1 (01:15:27):
Towering, massive head. Looks like he's photoshopped into this thing?
Speaker 2 (01:15:31):
It does? I mean it. Also, it looks like it
looks like his head is photoshopped on, right. You know, Hey,
that's one of the uh that's one of the uh man?
Is that one of the I guess not. Let's say
one of them looks like one of the blaky kids
from his from your book photo. It could be, but
they're not listed. But uh uh yeah, look, I mean
(01:15:54):
it looks. He looks like his shoulders are not big yet.
You know, I'm he might his shoulders must have. Well,
even if you look, even if you watch him in
his WCW days, you can see his body is just
not proportioned correctly. I see, like because when he got
real thin in the WCW days, like you could see
he kind of has a weird body shape. You know,
(01:16:18):
his shoulders are a little too thin, his head's a
little too long. You know, he's normal, Yeah, for sure. Yeah,
the torso is not massive. He's not ripped.
Speaker 4 (01:16:30):
He no.
Speaker 1 (01:16:31):
As the caption reads, proud winners gathered together just prior
to receiving their trophies or their bantam boys winners in
the nineteen sixty five Tampa Junior Bowling Association tournament. Front
from left, Charlie Diaz, Leslie Tice, and Tom Riley rear,
same order, Vic Petite, Terry Bellya, Robert Dilatore, and Douglas Rouch.
Later in nineteen and that was in nineteen sixty five.
(01:16:52):
Later in nineteen sixty seven, the following appears in Tampa Tribune.
Vic stands around five feet that's his buddy Vic weighing
in the neighborhood of one hundred and thirty pounds. He's
been on a diet, but as a midget. Compared to
his doubles partner Terry Bolea. Terry, also thirteen and a
bantam bowler with a one thirty five average, is five
to seven and weighs close to two hundred pounds.
Speaker 3 (01:17:14):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (01:17:15):
They've been bowling together since VIC started. In fact, they
captured the bantam doubles title in the City Meet last year,
and in nineteen sixty five. VIC is the reigning all
event titleist, a feat he has accomplished for the past
three years. He won the city handicapped singles title in
nineteen sixty four and was the scratch singles champion in
nineteen sixty five and sixty six. Terry Bolea, thirteen years
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old two hundred pounds. That's absurd five seven. So let's
get more acquainted with this VIC character. He seemed to
be kind of important in Hulk's early days, all right.
Speaker 2 (01:17:47):
Oh, VIC played baseball at me too. When it came
to playing ball, playing high the ball, I don't hear
on a natural advantage over everyone my size. I was
six foot tall at twelve years old. Didn't say he
was five to seven.
Speaker 1 (01:18:06):
Thirteen, he was five to seven and what did you
say there?
Speaker 2 (01:18:08):
He was six feet so he he he he lessened
five inches between.
Speaker 1 (01:18:15):
No difference between five seven and six feet. If you
know that none, you're right. But over the years, that's
what he would do. He would have these versions of
the story that were closer to the truth, and then
he just he'd embellished once, and then he'd tell it
again with the same embellishment, and no one noticed, and
then he'd embellish it even more, and pretty soon there
were six million people in the Pontiac Silver.
Speaker 2 (01:18:33):
Now, I mean, listen, you do you are aware that
under the Giant weighed two tons. Well, that's what I've heard.
I mean, I was watching like doctor Fentary's it's certainly
it's certainly feasible that a human being could weigh two tons,
all right.
Speaker 1 (01:18:48):
I think his father when he did his grandfather once
lift a four million pound bowlder or something like that.
Speaker 2 (01:18:56):
Well, I saw him lift a mount rushmore over his head.
Speaker 1 (01:19:01):
Meanwhile, I remember, I distinctly remembered under the Giant lifting
Terry Boulder.
Speaker 2 (01:19:05):
But that's never here. Over there's an old team photo
where you can see it clear as day. And not
only was I taller than all the other kids, I
was taller than the coach, combinb out with my expert
throwing arm. Sorry Roger, Yeah, because Roger Clemens is certainly
reading this book. I jumped to the front of the
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Little League ranks. Every time I got off the bat.
It was like a special occasion. I hit the first
home run ever over the electric scoreboard. You know, I
had the first home run over the lives. We went
to the Little League World Series, where I.
Speaker 1 (01:19:43):
Here we go. See it's not enough. Yeah, it's not
enough that he did well enough in Tampa Little League
to be in the newspaper. He had to he has
to manufacture a lie about going to the Little League
World Series, which is a whole different level of competition.
Speaker 2 (01:19:58):
Right. You know, I was one of the first teams
ever play on the moon. You know what, dude, little
League on the moon. Brother, We didn't even have to
wear space suits. Were just out there on our own.
Speaker 1 (01:20:08):
If you gave let's put it this way, Terry, if
you gave me three guesses of who would claim to
have played the Little League All Star Game in the Moon,
I would have guessed you.
Speaker 2 (01:20:15):
By the time. I reached it too, yo, or I
got the about fourteen times. The lit League Baseball World Series,
I about fourteen times. And when I and I went
ten for fourteen, you didn't out of seven to fourteen
batting average in the finals of the Little League World Series. Dude,
it was unheard of.
Speaker 1 (01:20:37):
It was unheard of, all right, because it didn't happen.
People have long figured this one out. This isn't a
revelation you'll find like Reddit threads and everything you'd like,
Wait a minute, you can actually look up who was
in the fucking Little League World Series because it's such
an elite and select thing.
Speaker 2 (01:20:51):
Which book is this from? Which one? This is his
second book? Well that's even worse because Wikipedia was a
fucking big thing. Then you can look up any kind
of results. Like one thing I always I'm so glad
you said that. One thing I always remembers when he
was on Joe Rogan and he was on the podcast.
Speaker 1 (01:21:06):
He's in the studio, he's sitting there and it's freaking
him out. How quickly Rogan's staff is pulling stuff up
on the Internet about what he's talking about to like
fact check him essentially, you know, or you know they're
not doing it in a in a way that's like
confrontational towards them. That's what they do, you know, they
look stuff up to talk about it as they tie,
as they discuss, and Hogan is freaked out, freaked out
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by how quickly they can find proof or lack thereof
for the things he's saying.
Speaker 2 (01:21:32):
Yep, yep. I mean that's so he's naive to it.
Speaker 1 (01:21:36):
Even though your point is well taken that anybody knows
abou Wikipedia, Hulk Hogan didn't apparently.
Speaker 2 (01:21:42):
I mean, yeah, I mean that Wikipedia and the Internet
is it was the worst thing for wrestlers because all
their stories.
Speaker 1 (01:21:50):
Were the best thing for wrestling podcasters.
Speaker 2 (01:21:52):
Exactly because you can fucking just blow up all their stories.
Speaker 1 (01:21:57):
I have looked before. It's been a while, but I
feel like it is kind of hard though. Even with Wikipedia,
it is hard to find an exhaustive list of every
team who is in the a Little League World Series,
because to be in the World Series doesn't just necessarily
mean you're in the final game. It can mean that
you just go to Williamsport, Pennsylvania and play as one
of the regional champions.
Speaker 2 (01:22:15):
Just to be there.
Speaker 1 (01:22:16):
You're considered to have having gone to the Little League
World Series, even if it's not the final game. So
you're talking at that point, like, you know, dozens and
dozens and dozens of teams in a decade, So it's
not like all of those are listed on Wikipedia. But
people who do know how to look that kind of stuff.
I'd take the Olympics. You know, you can't go to
Wikipedia and read everybody who's of course in the.
Speaker 2 (01:22:36):
United States, in the Olympics.
Speaker 1 (01:22:38):
But you can find it if you know where to look,
if you know who the you know, this scorekeeper, the
record keepers are, and the organizations are that are responsible
for keeping those records, you can find them. It's just
a question of being a little resourceful. So maybe that's
why Terry was emboldened to say that.
Speaker 2 (01:22:53):
Maybe maybe it's fact that it's so it's so off,
like if he was in the Little League World Series
that to be all over these newspaper clippings that we're
looking up, of course, and that's the thing, I mean,
they would be all storyline, right right, It's not enough
for Terry. I'm sorry to cut you off. It's not
enough for Terry. He's gotta go, he's got to take
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it that step further. Hold on, because he's about to
take a step further. I'm not sure if it's still there,
But for many years there was a ploque hanging at
the Inner Bay Little League Baseball Fields down near the
entrance of McDill Air Force Base, noting that Terry Blea
had the most home runs in a single season. Brother,
something tell me it's not there. I had. I have
the most home runs. I had more home runs than
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any Major League baseball player. Dude, I had more home
runs in one season than all Major League Baseball home
runs combined. And I was scraping the top of the trees.
Speaker 3 (01:23:49):
Bro.
Speaker 2 (01:23:49):
If I was in Wrigley Field, they'd still be Homer's Dude.
I was twelve. Brother, Oh my god, Oh you weren't
in a little league world too. Stop Please, I remember it. Dude.
I wonder what you're trying to deprive me of my truth.
I wonder what, because, like I, I do genuinely wonder
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what makes him say, does he actually have some weird
memory that he was in the World Series or just
had to get to that. I'm already said that.
Speaker 1 (01:24:26):
The best I can tell is that he was in
the All Star Game, for Little League in his part
of Florida and played in a game that was written
up as like this big culmination game, you know, kind
of like World Series Stakes, but for you know, greater Tampa, Florida.
Speaker 2 (01:24:45):
Yeah it was.
Speaker 1 (01:24:46):
It was kind of a Florida wide We'll we'll go
through it right now because I'm trying.
Speaker 3 (01:24:50):
I did.
Speaker 1 (01:24:50):
I had the exact same thought you did, Like, what
what is this a fill in for this fiction?
Speaker 3 (01:24:56):
You know?
Speaker 1 (01:24:56):
What is what little grain of truth? Is he riding
across the finish line here sixty six Tampa times?
Speaker 2 (01:25:03):
There he is. I'll send it to you.
Speaker 1 (01:25:05):
He is now a He's now an All star in
Interbay for the inter Bay Little League team, And there
he is Big Terry Bolay, as it says the first time.
There's the first instance I was able to find. Although
they describe his weight and heighten other articles, this is
the first time where he's written up as having like
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having an almost a nickname, an adjective before his name,
Big Terry Bulay and Big Terry Blay is with the
lowercase B, as if everyone in town knows the big
kid you know Eddie arsonal left and Big Terry Bulaya
hoist Kenny Schellenberger, who carries a note of intention collectively
for Interbay little League manager Lewis Garcia's Interbay's take on
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Jacksonville seven pm tonight at al Lang Memorial Field, seventh
Avenue and fifty eighth Street in Saint Petersburg in the
State Little League playoffs. That's what he's thinking of. He's
thinking of the States, not the fucking Little League World Series.
He's probably thinking that he can if he's if he's questioned,
if he's called on it, he's probably thinking he can claim, well,
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that was like the World Series for Florida, you know,
Like I didn't the author put a capital W in
a capital S on it, brother, But that wasn't really
my intention. And also I said, like the World Series, dude,
it was the final, right, That's all I said. It
was the final It was the final game we could
have played in the state, dude. So to us, it
was the World Series. Brother, It was essentially the same thing,
even though there is a such thing as the Little
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League World Series and I definitely wasn't in it. So
you know, I'll tell you one thing that might be
the reason why he wants to swap out this experience
for some But.
Speaker 2 (01:26:39):
What about this, uh, this field, that mcdeill Air Force
Base that he's talking about. I don't know.
Speaker 1 (01:26:44):
I don't doubt that at some point there was some
commemoration of how many home runs he hit. But I
think that there's a reason he says I don't know
if it's still there, because he knows it's not there,
and if somebody went going there and trying to disprove it. So,
but that's a fun one too. I don't know why
he'd say that, but yeah, there it is. Here's a
clip of how he was doing around this time. This
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also from nineteen sixty six. Boleya Semo pay small Fry victory,
small fry being just a shorthand term for little baseball players.
Terry boleya twelve year old hurler for Little General, turned
out to be a one man gang brother brother as
he pitched and batted his team to a two oho
shutout over Belk, Lindsay and Intro Bay Little League Action yesterday.
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Bala struck out fifteen batters. That's insane, fifteen batters gave
up and gave up only one hit in picking up
the win. He also had the General's only two hits
off losing pitcher Bobby Dennison a home run in a
single Jesus Christ, you're right there, brother, Your brother sounds
like you're a scrape in the bottom of a yogurt bowl.
Speaker 2 (01:27:47):
I don't know what that was, actually, I got nothing.
Yeh maybe I think you know what I wonder you
know what, I think I might have hit my headphones
against the against the microphone. Okay.
Speaker 1 (01:27:58):
I'm always look as we go through the complete Hull Coogan,
I'm always on guard for the possibility that Hogan's ghost,
his apparition is among us.
Speaker 3 (01:28:07):
Oh.
Speaker 2 (01:28:07):
Absolutely, listen, it's it's it's here. I'm waiting to you
know what, I'm waiting to see, like for the lights
to flicker like in the Exorcist, and Hogan's hes to
like reflect on my wall quite literally watch your back.
Speaker 1 (01:28:20):
Yeah, that's that's phenomenal. I mean, he's striking everybody out
and he's the only kN on his team getting hits.
It's like he authored the entire victory himself. That's the
kind of Little League player I'm talking about, you know,
That's what you can do when you're so much bigger
than everybody else. So he's written up that way, so
give him, give him credit. So sixty six really seems
to be his big year where he makes it to
States and he's an All Star and all of that.
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And I'll share with you here in just a moment
clipping from the Tampa Tribune that might better acquaint us
with his exploits as well that you can share with
the Solar system. But I think that's what we're talking about. Yeah,
I had made reference to how he might want to
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kind of forget the finer details of this game or
misrepresent what the game actually was. I don't know, maybe
because if you actually knew what game he was talking
about and looked it up, you'd find that he blew
the game. Ooh boy, that he was basically the reason
that they came up short. This is from August third,
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nineteen sixty six, headline inter Bay, which is his league
beaten in Little League playoffs. Interbate Little League coach Lewis
Garcia hated losing in the first round of the State
Torny yesterday at Saint Pete's Alang Memorial Field, but Garcia
has all sorts of consolations to keep him from getting
too upset about Interba's two ozer loss to Jacksonville. I'll
have many of my Innerbay boys back next year, Garcia
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points out, since I'll be baseball coach at Robinson. That's
the high school that hold Coogan went to, Robinson High School.
Many of the same boys I coached at dowd L
will move to Robinson in time. Then too, I'll have
six of this year's Interbay team back next season. In
lake Worth, West Shetland had just won chance to win
the State Pony League twenty there six thirty PM against
Fort Lauderdale. Okay, that's another game. Intrabay, which had averaged
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eight hits per game through five playoff games, was able
to collect just four hits last night in the second
game of a twin bill at al Lang. Bartow had
defeated Delane to two to zero in the opener. Terry
BOWLEYA started on the mound for interre Bay and pitched
well until Andy Albritton, using an unusual stance, belt at
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a two run homer in the fourth inning. The runs
were all Jacksonville needed, as winning hurdler Dave People scattered
the hits well and fanned seven along the way. Bob
Dennison came in in relief of Bowlea and fired no
hit ball for the rest of the way for the losers,
who nipped a second Jacksonville rally in the bud in
the fifth with a crowd blazing double play.
Speaker 2 (01:30:46):
So not only.
Speaker 1 (01:30:48):
In my opinion and my estimation, is the game Holkogan
is referring to with the Little League World Series, this
state state championship game against Jacksonville. He blew the game. Wow,
he gave up the two run home run that ended
a two zero baseball game. So maybe maybe that's the
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reason he wants to misrepresent precisely.
Speaker 2 (01:31:14):
Maybe that's when that's when all the kids told him
to keep eating like a fat pig. He lost the game.
Maybe that was the Maybe that was the deal. If
you lose a game, you gotta eat like a fat pig. Balaya,
fat bitch, Balaya.
Speaker 1 (01:31:30):
I mean, there are there are articles where like it's
him and then after the right it's Luthez, like for
a match coming up at the Ford Hesterly.
Speaker 2 (01:31:39):
That that's that's really.
Speaker 1 (01:31:41):
Crazy to think about Hulks being written up as a
little league prospect, a little league I'm sending it to
you now if you can read it off as a
Little League Prodigy and and in the same sports pages
that they're writing about Hulk Hogan on the Terry Blay
on the little league field, there's an ad for a
US match coming up. So this is from July twenty
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sixth of nineteen sixty six in the Tampa Tribune. And
if you zoom in down towards the bottom, there you'll
see you'll see the picture of lu Luthez wrestles Tarzan Tyler,
Eddie Graham and rematch. And Terry's in here somewhere. Yeah,
Interbay tops clear Water.
Speaker 2 (01:32:22):
Do you see that? Let me see here, I see
lutes and then I see up on top.
Speaker 1 (01:32:32):
It says no hitters hrs feature Tourny the web.
Speaker 6 (01:32:37):
Fan wrestling podcast, the wrestling podcast that knows the boys
(01:33:11):
need their candy. It's the Lapsed Fan. He's the Lapsed
(01:33:47):
Fan Wrestling podcast with Jack and Carnacio and JP Sorrow.
Speaker 2 (01:33:53):
No, there's no hand Oh, I see where there is
there as I got it? Yep, yep. Riverside Yep, Okay,
here we go. Uh Riverside led by John Zambinos. No
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hitter in inter Bay paced by four fourth inning home runs,
advanced into the District six Little League All Star at
Tourney semi That's a fucking mouthful, that's what he's talking about.
It's not the State Championship, District six, Little League All
Star Attorney semi finals at Town and Country Field. Sounds
like the Little League World Series. To me, Interbay with
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round trippers by, it sounds like he's just going like
you're making a round trip to go to the game.
Round trippers Terry Belaya, Ken Schellenberger and lou Garcia and
Eddie Arsenal in the same inning upended Palma Sea eight
three riverside, which one in spite of being no hit
(01:34:56):
on Saturday, reverse the count, reverse the heat brother by
the feeding hitless east Point three to zero. The survivors
of the single loss elimination tourney meet today at five pm.
It is the rest of the part of it. Yeah,
I did bala is in the next one yep oh oh.
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A two run homer by Xavier Prida, followed by Greg
Redding solo blast, accounted for the riverside scoring. Redding also
had a single in the first Zambino fanned thirteen batters,
walking six. East Point's only threat came in the fourth inning,
when three batters drew bases on balls brother, but second
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baseman Prima made a fine defensive play on a difficult
grounder to prevent a score. Balaya winning pitcher for inter
Bay scattered three hits and struck out eleven.
Speaker 1 (01:35:50):
Hey, now, eleven strikeouts for Blea doing doing, doing the work.
But that's yep, that's what we're talking about here.
Speaker 2 (01:35:57):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (01:35:58):
Yeah, And so he's in the All Stars, but he
gives up the homer to lose the whole fucking thing.
And you know, do you know why we're able to
look kind of a skance at some of some of
Terry's little league claims. Do you know who else was
playing in Tampa area little league baseball around the same
time as Terry, Brian Knobbs, No, not quite, Brutis Beefcake.
Speaker 2 (01:36:22):
That was my next guess.
Speaker 1 (01:36:24):
Ed Leslie, Yes, Tampa Boy, himself younger than Hulk. I
think I think ed Leslie was a freshman when Hulk
was his senior. But he did play just enough close
enough to Terry's age that he was able to see
this big kid and hear about this big kid that
played in little league before he ever knew him, before
he ever got to know him he formed a little
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bit of a bond over the little league experience that
would come into play later. This is from ed Leslie's book.
He played for a team, by the way, called Paul Macia,
which was much more it seems successful than Terry's team,
which he talks about as if he made it to
the Little World Series. So that's another hint. This is Hulkogan
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undoubtedly combining his little league experience without Leslie.
Speaker 2 (01:37:08):
I I I that's Paulmaca was one of the teams
mentioned here. That's right, yes, right, thank you, good good eye. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:37:16):
Ed Leslie made the Palmacy a Senior League All Stars
team in nineteen seventy three. According to some material that
I found, he had a future Baseball Hall of Famer
on the team as well. So it's it's uh, it was.
It was a team that had something to do with
Wade Bogs. I don't know if Wade Bogs played for
the team or Wade Bogs course a huge wrestling fan,
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huge good will ambassador for Tampa, close friend to Kurt
Headig in particular.
Speaker 2 (01:37:45):
Well, I remember he was in one of the Mister
Perfect bits.
Speaker 1 (01:37:48):
Yes it was, that's right, and a guy who gave
back very much to Tampa area baseball, and it seems
like Ed Leslie was the beneficiary of that. Ed writes
in his book, Back when I was around eight years old,
was the first time I laid eyes on who would
eventually become known as the immortal Hulk Hogan. My parents
started me off in little league baseball, probably when I
was seven years old. By this time, Terry was already
a legend on our field. Well, I'd already heard of
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all the rumblings of Terry playing in the upper age
divisions of our little league. All the teams protested against him.
Speaker 2 (01:38:17):
I love that. I love how he leaves that out,
that he's kind of a heel for being that big.
Speaker 3 (01:38:21):
You know.
Speaker 1 (01:38:22):
Of course, the coaches on his opposing teams hated him. Yes,
people thought he was older than his actual age because
at eleven or so.
Speaker 2 (01:38:31):
I like to see his birth certificate. He drove here. Yeah,
I saw him drive here. I saw him behind the wheel.
All right. I'm just saying, all right, you know, someone
get his birth certificate out because I gotta tell you,
I have questions. I have doubts. Maybe he can get
his mother out here. We can confirm some things, but
I'll tell you right now, that kid is sixteen. At
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least well, hey, you know, say what you will about
he should be arrested. Say what you will about Terry
Visa v. Minority were relations, But at least he knew
what it felt like to be a Dominican kid who
has any success in any little league in the United States.
I love to see his papers. Yeah he flew over
here by himself. Yeah, fucking piece of ship.
Speaker 1 (01:39:13):
He's old enough to drive. The coaches on his opposing
teams hated him. People thought he was older than his
actual age. All the parents said that it wasn't fair
that he played against their children. Can you imagine you're
a little tight. He's gotta you know, playing shortstop, barely
knows how to stop a fucking fly let on a
fly ball, and Terry but Lay is lace and line
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drives at his fucking head.
Speaker 2 (01:39:35):
You know what I love is that this, This is
this is what I love about about the sports parent
And this is why, yes, I I I I really
I take I have such an issue with with uh
uh sports parents because if he was on your team,
you'd have no problem with it. Mm hmm, Like that's
(01:39:58):
the issue You're all only complaining because he's not on
your team. If he was on your team, you'd think
it was fair. So just shut the fuck up and
accept the fact that your kid's gonna fucking lose because
Hulk Hogan's bigger and he's stronger. Naturally, Yeah, back then
it was natural. You're right, right, you know, like that's
(01:40:21):
just listen. Yes, in the moment, it sucks obviously because
you want you want your kid to win, But come on, like,
what do you what do you fucking like, what what
are you supposed to do? Not play like the kids
of age? He's all, I just I just can't stand
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parents like that. And there's so many almost like they're saying,
I should be the one who decides who he plays against, right,
I should be the one who decides what the appropriate
age group for him. Ridiculous, ridiculous.
Speaker 1 (01:41:06):
It does kind of track, like you think about Terry's
just his attitude and just his kind of like his complex,
his martyr complex of always feeling like, you know, people
are doubting him and against him, and he does kind
of carry himself like the kid who everybody hated because
he dominated little league because he was so big, Right,
(01:41:30):
you know, he does kind of seem seemed like he
got that early lesson and being a heel to people
for just being himself, you know, yep, just his natural state.
One thing he leaves out that Brutus includes is Peter
Blea was a coach on the team. Okay, oh boy,
so it's not like this wasn't a family enterprise. You
(01:41:53):
can see Peter maybe cheering a little too loudly when
Terry hit his fourth home run of the game, and
that will piss parents off. You know, you can see that.
Speaker 2 (01:42:01):
What you again, again, it only comes from the fact
that he wasn't on your team. Yep, that's what it
comes down to.
Speaker 1 (01:42:10):
You'll never hear a parent complain that this kid is
too big to be on our team.
Speaker 2 (01:42:13):
Yeah, I'm going to say, ask any ask any of
these of these, Ask any of these the parents of
the kids on Hogan's team, and they no problem at all,
never a problem. It's always people who are losing losers. Yeah,
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loser correct.
Speaker 1 (01:42:38):
All the parents said that it wasn't fair that he
played against their children. However, none of that mattered. Terry
wanted to play ball and he was going to play it.
Speaker 2 (01:42:45):
This is Ed Lusk again. It's kind of funny because
he wouldn't play ball later in his career.
Speaker 1 (01:42:51):
Terry truly was the biggest kid ever in the whole
Little league.
Speaker 2 (01:42:53):
He was a beast.
Speaker 1 (01:42:54):
At eleven years old, Terry was six foot tall and
two hundred pounds. He was just so much bigger than
everyone that all opposing team players cowered in his shadow.
Terry's dad, Pete Buleya, was one of the coaches. By twelve,
Terry was already bigger than his own father, being three
years younger than Terry. Yeah, he got his height from
his mother, so it doesn't necessarily stand a reason that
his father would be that tall, yep, being three years
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younger than Terry. I remember watching him in Awe. The
first game I saw him in. I remember Terry hitting
the fence covered in all those sponsor signs he had
so hard he broke the wood. The ball left a
crater in it. The next time up, I watched him
hit the ball so high over the trees that if
he was in the big leagues, he would have been
clearing a four hundred foot stadium fence. The ball was
out of sight, and so was Terry. Terry was so powerful,
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powerful beyond his years. However, he was a little clumsy
at twelve years old and ran awkwardly to first base.
He just couldn't run great yet because he was so big.
But it didn't really matter. If he hit a home run,
he could take all the time in the world. Yet
I don't think he could run well when he was older. No,
definitely an idiot. When he ran in the ring, it
looks like a goofball.
Speaker 3 (01:43:56):
I know.
Speaker 1 (01:43:56):
Or he ran to the ring, you know, trying to
make a save or something. But it didn't really matter.
If he had a home run, he could take all
the time in the world walking around the bases. That
happened a lot. I wanted to be like Terry. But
make no mistake about it, our team rocked. We were
the best in our age division. All the teams had
like one of the players fathers as coach. Most of
them were businessmen and had some pretty serious jobs to
attend to. They would practice a little during an hour
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or so before the games, but as FIRS real practice
was concerned, none of the teams ever actually practiced, none
of them except our team. Our coach was a baseball fanatic.
He breathed in eight baseball because of this, we practiced
regularly and became ridiculously disciplined by Little League standards. We
could do things that the other teams didn't even understand.
Not often did you see Little League players hit a
double or even triple play. Because of all of our practicing,
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we would go out there and just murder all the teams.
Because of our team's record, the league had to in
state a special ten run rule. This rule stated that
if we made ten runs unopposed after four innings, they
would just call the game to stop us from brutally
torturing our opponents more than four innings. From eleven seven
to eleven years old, I had very vivid memories of
leaving the fields and looking over at the losing teams
players on the benches, with all the kids crying their
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eyes out. As you can imagine, just like the monstrous
Terry Bolea, nobody wanted to play our team the entire
four year stretch I was there. Members of our team
went on to big city tournaments every year. I remember
at ten or eleven years old, I made the All
Star team there. I met and got to play with
Wade Boggs.
Speaker 2 (01:45:14):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (01:45:15):
His dad was one of the All Star coaches and
I played on his team. So yeah, that's the that's
Wade Bogs is the future Hall of Famer that's in
the picture with ed Leslie.
Speaker 2 (01:45:24):
How about did he go to the World Series? No,
he didn't know.
Speaker 1 (01:45:28):
But this is I think Terry said he went to
the World Series because he had to top what ed
Leslie had done. Because by the time that second book
came out, I'm not sure they were the.
Speaker 2 (01:45:39):
Best of friends anymore.
Speaker 1 (01:45:40):
Ah, let's not forget Terry was very concerned, according to Brutus,
when Brutus announced he was coming out with the book,
and Brutus was saying, somethings on social.
Speaker 2 (01:45:47):
Media didn't come out years later after Hovan's second book. Ye, dead,
yes it did.
Speaker 1 (01:45:52):
My point is, if he's using his second book to
get over on some of his friends and try to
eclipse their their accomplished I see he's all of a
sudden after not mentioning it in his first book, he
was in the Little League World Series in the second book.
And what that does is kind of lap the accomplishments
that Beefcake outlined, and perhaps he had outline those before
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actually publishing them in a book in an interview or something,
thus triggering Hogan. It's the same psychology that led Hogan
to do the announcement that's going to run for president
when Jesse Ventura won the governorship.
Speaker 2 (01:46:23):
Right right, What's.
Speaker 1 (01:46:24):
What's the next level? I'll say I did that and
no one will know the difference.
Speaker 2 (01:46:28):
Hey, you want to talk about, by the way, the
spirit of Hulk Hogan freaking you? Freaking us out because
I just felt like a trembling under my chair. Excuse me, Yeah,
weird little not like ground shaking, but like as if
as if somebody like kicked your chair, you know, like
a you know, a chair, like an office chair, and
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like kind of kicked it a little bit and you
moved a little bit, like without my you know, was
it under my power? Brother? You're nervous a little bit?
I mean, could could be anything. Well, I don't know, dude.
I wasn't there, brother, Yeah, yeah, do you want say
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anything about it? Oh, he's not here and nothing here,
nothing here. So I'm listening. I'm we we move forward,
doesn't you know, No spirit's gonna stop us.
Speaker 1 (01:47:24):
Well, you know what it might be. It might be
the vestiges of Terry Young, Terry Blea digging in the
dirt with his Tonguka trucks.
Speaker 2 (01:47:34):
Let's go back also that also not in the uh
in the the video there the stories of your whatever,
your child, stories of my mom, stories of my mom.
Speaker 1 (01:47:47):
Yeah, does he look like uh in that in that
special by the way, the fat kid Who's gotta does
he look like a kid fucking striking out eleven?
Speaker 2 (01:47:55):
You know?
Speaker 1 (01:47:56):
And uh going to the uh the district championship and
Belton home runs and being feared by the other team.
Speaker 2 (01:48:03):
He's definitely striking out. I will say that.
Speaker 1 (01:48:06):
But uh, just to bring it down a level, make
it a little more, you know, get a little more
closer to how Terry grew up, not before he achieved
fame in the little league field. This passage here, I
think is instructive if you can share it with the
Solar System boss. This is him describing just Terry Bulla
at play in his Tampa neighborhood.
Speaker 2 (01:48:26):
One of things I like to do most was play
with this black talk of truck I've gotten for Christmas.
I'll take it out and play construction. Did you ever
do that? You ever played construction? Kind of? Yeah, you'd
have your I never had a name for it. Yeah,
I never said. I never never thought of that that Mom,
I'm gonna go play construction what I'm doing? Yeah, you know,
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I never ever And I'll play construction in the dirt
all day long, from the time I woke up until
the time until the tom I had to go go
in for dinner. I made believe the truck was a
big red one with my my dad drove when he
was laying pipe.
Speaker 1 (01:49:04):
Brother, excuse me, okay, some he might be doing some
secret metaphors in this book.
Speaker 2 (01:49:11):
I'm convinced there might be.
Speaker 1 (01:49:12):
I mean, wait until he starts about the rocks. He
stuffed up his nose.
Speaker 2 (01:49:15):
Let me tell you, dude, I saw my dad lay pie.
Speaker 3 (01:49:17):
Brother.
Speaker 2 (01:49:18):
If you just we didn't tell rizzoth, I would use
popsible sticks for people and dig holes in the ground
and make a whole construction site with that one tgg
A truck. Funny thing was, as I sat there in
the dirt, I looked for I looked for rocks of
a certain size, rocks of a certain size, bigger than
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a babie gun, but not as big as a dime.
And when I found him, I just my nose. Is
he trying to say he was doing cocaine or a cocine.
I don't know, man, if he's talking about fucking shoving
rocks up his nose, I don't know. It might be.
I don't know why bad stuff, all the type of
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stuff appealed to me. I just knew I could be
happy stuff and rocks up my nose all day long.
So he's normal, So you know, you know, there are
some things that you know. I do appreciate any kind
of random detail in in autobio, but there are some
that I'm like, I don't. I don't know if you
needed to say that one. I don't know if we
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I don't know if we need to you know, if
it's pertinent to the day to day life of Hulkgan
fans to know that he liked to shove rocks that
were bigger than a babe but smaller than a dime
up his nose. What an idiot?
Speaker 1 (01:50:41):
Exactly, this big oaf stuff and rocks up his nose
with his tongue of trucks.
Speaker 2 (01:50:46):
And then to say, I just knew I could be
happy stuff and rocks up my nose all day long?
What like or.
Speaker 1 (01:50:55):
Something he says in one of his books, like they
say had to almost have surgery one time to take
one of those things.
Speaker 2 (01:50:59):
Yeah, I'm not surprised. Oh this might be it. Here, Yeah,
this might be it. Uh. Then one night, as I
was lying in bed, I couldn't breathe. All of a sudden,
my parents panicked and it's like a flashlight up my nose.
So not only is he got a rock, but also
now he's got a giant metal tube up his nose
and saw it stuffed a rock way up into sinus's.
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They had to take me to the hospital and I
had pulled out. That was the first That was the
first inkling they got that their son was a rock stuffer.
That's a T shirt, he says. He says rock stuffer
like it's a thing.
Speaker 1 (01:51:38):
Well, the next time he'd stuffed Rock would be wrestling
the eighteen.
Speaker 14 (01:51:41):
It's good.
Speaker 2 (01:51:42):
Stuffed him pretty hard too. It's another time Rock sent
him to the hospital. Another thing I liked to do
was pick these little orange spotted caterpillars off the oleander
trees and collect them in glass jars. I remember having
I remember having a fight with one of the kids
in the neighborhood over them. His name was Roger and
he was a red haired freckle faced bitch. Bitch, he says, kid,
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O good, I wouldn't have missed that one freckle faced
kid who is usually who's usually one of my good friends,
but apparently also had a fight with him. But one
day he decided to steal my caterpullers. So I picked
up a rock and as he was running home, I
plunked him in the back of the head. The rock
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split his head open and he bled like a stuck
pins awful. What kind of story is this, Terry? I mean, also,
you know, what are you fucking?
Speaker 3 (01:52:37):
Uh?
Speaker 1 (01:52:37):
Will Ferrell is elf throwing softball snowballs in.
Speaker 2 (01:52:40):
Stuff the park? Like I imagine him doing that kind
of final grenade launch one that he does, you know,
and then it's like then he split, like his head
split open. I just think of it as you know,
in like Independence Day, when they open up the armor
of the alien, all of a sudden one of those
the clown split yes, oh god absolutely, uh uh rock
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the rocks put his head open, and he played like
a suck pig. But then I'd always had a strong
throwing arm, you know. When I was eight, I started
putting it to good use in the Little League. It
was pretty good at baseball.
Speaker 3 (01:53:14):
You know.
Speaker 2 (01:53:14):
I first turned nine, I became one of the few
kids my age ever ever been allowed to play in
what they called the majors. The majors, Yeah, that's yeah.
Is that a legit? That's legit? Yeah, okay, a way
to refer to a type of little league I was.
I was a hard throwing pitcher at a pretty good
third baseman. The problem was that I was fat and
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really slow, so I didn't hit the ball over the
So if I didn't hit the ball over the fence,
I couldn't get an extra base hit. The other team
would always throw it was fucking Babe Ruth too, so
you know whatever, Baby Ruth is the same way. He
couldn't fucking run right now, right, yeah for sure, and
it's a bitch, so no problem. Then fucking hit home runs. Uh,
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the other team would throw me out a second. And
let me tell you, brother, it didn't take it as
a real brother. He put that one in there. That's
not me doing it. That's a real that's a real brother.
Let me tell you, brother, it didn't take a genius
to figure out why I was fat. Even when I
was really young, I was a serious candy haul like, dude,
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And you know what, brother, even when I got in
my thirties, I was also a candy hall like if
you know what I'm saying, because you know what the boys, brother,
we like our candy dude. Yep. My favorite vice, my
favorite white vice, was baby Ruth candy bars. They used
to make them real big, like about six or hell ella,
(01:54:42):
this makes a big fucking jump here, a little bit
about six or nine inches long?
Speaker 1 (01:54:47):
Wow, this big long nine inch baby Ruth right there. Now,
it's starting to make sense.
Speaker 2 (01:54:57):
Now is the six inch baby Ruth Terry but his
baby Ruth and the nine in Baby Ruth's Baby Ruth.
You're talking dude, exactly. By the way, there's no way
there was a fucking nine inch candy bar. Okay, not,
what are you talking about? Even like even when they
get the king sized ones, it's usually two in there.
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You know, used to make a real big, real big brother.
How this Halloween, I want to hand out nine inch
baby Rooth. See the kid kid's face fucking dildo sized
candy bars. Okay, yeah, let's start throwing baby ruths onto
courts at w NBA games. It's right exactly if they're
going to be that big.
Speaker 8 (01:55:38):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (01:55:38):
I just remember I'd bout two or three of them,
minish out a shot and shove them down my throat,
one after the other. Okay, Terry, you're starting to make
me think other things. But okay about Tom. I got
into first grade, I was pretty chubby. No, he wasn't.
We've seen him in third grade. He's not chubby. Look whatever,
he's not chubby. Any push ups of the other kids.
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I had a problem when it came to climb a
rope and I ran like I was pulling a piano
at ballast point. In elementary school, we had a football
field and one of the physics teachers was real strong,
but I had a short leg and would and would walk.
Funny used to make the kids run across the field
and back again, but not me. I was so fat.
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He put me at the far goal post and have
me just run one way, and even with my head start,
the other fifty kids would still beat me. Whatever, you know,
I can second relate to that I have when I
was in When I was in elementary school and middle school,
there used to be a thing we used to do,
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the one mile run walk. Do you ever have to
do that kind of know what you mean, where they
would time your how long you would do a mile,
which was four laps around the soccer field? Man, I
mean I would. I couldn't do it. Yeah, I couldn't.
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I couldn't run it, but I had. But there were
kids in my class who generally were not fans of mine,
who would just fucking do it, and they'd run it
the whole thing in like six minutes. Sure, the whole
fucking thing in six minutes. And I was always last. Wow,
I was always dead last. Can you ever imagine fifteen
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and the thing is is fifteen minutes like I do, like,
which is actually an average mile, you know, an average
walking mile, fifteen minutes. But man, it was the worst feeling,
always being the last one, being about school where people
already didn't like me.
Speaker 1 (01:57:41):
Being that age, and being transfixed by Hull Cogan on
television having no idea what you were going through at
school is what he went through at that age.
Speaker 2 (01:57:48):
Even that crazier. That's it, absolutely is even crazier to
be able to have like identify in so many ways
headstart with who, because a lot I want to be
uh uh uh when my headstart o to be me.
Whenever games were we played at school, I was the
last one to get picked. Yep, me too. Nobody wanted
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a kid on their team who looked like the Goodyear blimp.
And it wasn't just in sports that kids didn't want
to pick me. And every other Friday, this teacher would
roll out an amplifier and a record player and make
a dance and make us dance with the girls. Of course,
the girls got to choose who they dance with. I
never wanted to dance with me. They dance, would just
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want to anybody butt me. Out of all thirty boys
in phys ed class, I'd be the I'd be one
of the two or three that got snubbed our reward,
which we thought was great at the time, but the
coach told us to go and play soccer. So it'd
get a ball and go kick it around and laugh
at all the boys who had to dance with the girls.
I thought I was lucky. I didn't sink in that
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I hadn't been picked because I was a fat kid.
I mean also maybe because because you have the face
of an oaf. Yeah, definitely had an oafish face.
Speaker 1 (01:59:06):
Yeah, I think it's the face and head more than
it is.
Speaker 2 (01:59:08):
And the hair, honestly, the hair is just not okay.
Speaker 6 (01:59:13):
Wrestling podcast, The wrestling podcast that knows the boys need
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their candy. It's the Lapsed Fan. He's an lapsed fan.
(02:00:22):
Wrestling podcast with Jack and Carneo and JP Soro.
Speaker 2 (02:00:27):
Yeah, especially in the high school picture, it's just not okay.
It's just not okay. And it wasn't just my weight
that made me different. I remember in first grade a
girl named Sarah with glasses and curly blonde hair, shared
a desk with me on the first day of school.
You know. She sat down and stared at me for
a minute like I was doing, like I was some
kind of freak. Then she said, have your head, oh
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than that big? My head was huge alright, probably the
same size as it is now, but I didn't need
her to point it out to me. Before I got
the first grade, a neighborhood named Butcher was his last name.
R Was he Butcher? That great question? Butcher? What about? Yeah? Well,
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I was thinking Butcher brutus though had teased me about
the size of my head every chance he got in school.
I figured I was finally safe from that stuff. That
along came Sarah but she didn't get the last laugh. See,
she had a sweater tied around her waists that it was,
you know, a sweater tied around her waist that she
was really proud of. By the end of that first
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day of school, Sarah ended up go ahead, what Sarah did?
Speaker 3 (02:01:39):
What?
Speaker 2 (02:01:39):
What kind of revenge is he getting here? Talk about receipts? Right,
it's not even revenge really, it's like.
Speaker 4 (02:01:47):
Um.
Speaker 2 (02:01:48):
By the end of that first day at school, Sarah
ended up ping in her pants and pete all over
the sweater. Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, I figured it
was her punishment for being mean to me. It's weird
of the things you remember as a kid, yeah, especially you. Fortunately,
there were ways I could excel even if I was
a fat kid with a big head. One of those
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ways was bowling. From the time I was eight years
old until I was twelve, a team with a kid
named Vic Petite He who later became a professional bowler,
another well respected profession. We were in the state, I remember,
I can remember. I remember on Saturday, on Saturday mornings, okay,
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i'd have like the two hour block of cartoons or
two or three hour block of cartoons, and then eleven
o'clock or noon something around that time. Candlepins for Dallas. Yes,
candlepin bowling would come on my television, yep. And it
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wasn't until I moved out of the New England area
for the first time that I realized candlepin bowling was
not a thing anywhere else. It certainly wasn't on television. No,
it certainly was not on television. Cantlepit bowling on television.
It's a fucking weird I know. It was so fucking
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weird when you think about it.
Speaker 1 (02:03:21):
There and there's like this thin film of dust on
your fingers. I've washed my hands like three, three, four times.
Speaker 2 (02:03:31):
Oh man, Oh I remember I used to love going
candlepin bowling at h At. There was a place I
used to go probably I don't know, once a week.
It seemed like so at least how I remember it.
But it probably wasn't played like once a month, right,
would go bowling, Terry bowle there it is, that's right. Uh.
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We were the Florida state doubles champions five years in
a row.
Speaker 3 (02:03:57):
Do you have.
Speaker 2 (02:03:57):
Evidence of that? Yeah? We did. We talked about okay, great,
but doubles champions for five years in a row. I
don't know. He also, yeah, no, I don't know. That's
that's what I meant, doubles champions five years in a rows,
but I wanted evidence.
Speaker 1 (02:04:08):
They won five tournament games in a row in the
inter Bay, the All Star competition against Jacksonville.
Speaker 2 (02:04:15):
Before they lost. So maybe he's just five five in
a row for everything. Maybe maybe.
Speaker 1 (02:04:19):
But what he doesn't, you know, what he doesn't mention
is that they came up short.
Speaker 2 (02:04:27):
And one of us, Vick more often than me, was
always a singles champion too. When I turned nine, I
started using a sixteen pound ball, which was a little crazy, right,
adults use sixteen pounders. Damn things should have toren my
arm out of the socket. But I was a big kid,
and sometimes I was able to handle it. Brother, handle
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the big balls, right. One of the reasons we became
such good bowlers was there was a bowling alley just
five blocks from a house. It was called other it
was called Panorama.
Speaker 3 (02:05:05):
Dude.
Speaker 2 (02:05:06):
Oh my god, no wonder, brother, I'm always getting pinned, dude,
even when I was a kid.
Speaker 1 (02:05:12):
Panorama's been too close for comfort since day one. Brother,
this isn't some Panorama holts going over? And I got
the creative control in my back pocket.
Speaker 2 (02:05:21):
And Vic and I will go there every week without fail.
I never thought about at the time, but we must
have spent quite a bit of money in that place.
Speaker 4 (02:05:28):
You know.
Speaker 2 (02:05:28):
Vix's parents must have thought uh, thought so too, because
they eventually bought the bowling alley right. Unfortunately, that was
about the time I lost interest in it in bowling
and get caught up in other things. Good timing, huh.
The other sport I continued to play for a long
time was baseball. I remember one day they saw a
brand new electric scoreboard in our town where kids didn't
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have much in the way of toys or bikes because
their parents didn't have much money. And they also said
a lot of racist shit too. And that's how I
dress while we're on, Dude, it was a real big
deal to hit a home run. Then you could take
the whole team to Burger King for a whopper or something.
Speaker 1 (02:06:09):
Well, let me put it to you this way, Terry.
You've never had to go to Burger King to serve
up a whopper. Baby, I see more whoppers come out
of your kitchen than any Burger King I've.
Speaker 2 (02:06:20):
Ever been to.
Speaker 1 (02:06:22):
Let me tell you something, dude, unbelievable. The travails and
travels of Terry Jean bulla young Terry bullya Tonka trucks,
rocks up the nose.
Speaker 2 (02:06:34):
And the rock stuffer is just that's just that's something
a rock stuffer. I don't know how I can feel
about that at all.
Speaker 1 (02:06:41):
And do you think it was enough to claim he
was in the Little League World Series? Or does he
have to go down claiming that? Does he have to
go down stealing Randy Savage's valor or pretending that he
actually was on track to be a major league baseball player.
Speaker 2 (02:06:54):
Of course he does, and he was, he is. He
was a professional baseball player. You know something I don't know. Yeah,
he was. He was Roger Clemens for a while. Did
you know that? He said, I was Roger Clemens for
a good season or two. I was Roger Clemens.
Speaker 1 (02:07:15):
Another another part of I guess Hogan myth making. It's
so strange. In his first book, All of a Sudden,
after two chapters, he just has this chapter about how
he actually didn't go to the Florida Sheriff's Boys ranch
because he was fighting and because he was a bad
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boy kind of like the ranch kind of like the
cal Farley Ranch from the Lapsed Funk days. Yeah, Eddie
Graham was heavily involved. There was another place he recruited wrestlers,
by the way, at the boys Ranch. It is kind
of creepy, this Boy's ranch to wrestler pipeline.
Speaker 2 (02:07:53):
There there is it's a very Listen, the Boy's ranch
alone is just a weird thing to me, absolutely very creepy.
Speaker 1 (02:08:02):
And yeah, I mean all the abuse allegations we talked
about during the Lapsed Monk, it's like, in some ways
it is the nightmare that you think it was, you
think it could have been. But so that all said,
for some reason along the way, particularly during the steroid scandal,
Hulk is being written up as having had a having
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had a troubled childhood in a way, having to go
to this boy's ranch because he was in trouble with
the law. And he does a whole chapter saying that,
actually I.
Speaker 2 (02:08:39):
Went to a different ranch. It was a it was
a Catholic ranch, and it was actually you know, the
ranch I actually had was Hidden Valley Ranch. I don't
know everyone gets that. I just drank it down. I
just fucking open a bottle, just fucking chug it down.
Speaker 1 (02:08:58):
Brother, I'm starting to think I was a fat kid,
as like the whole thing. Yeah, the whole thing, he's
trying to say. But no, it was a youth ranch
in Tampa, and it was it was run by it's
called the Tampa Youth Ranch. It was run by a
guy named Hank Lindstrom who was a minister. And he
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did go there, did terry, but not because he, at
least according to him, got into any kind of trouble,
but just because kind of one day he was ushered
into this world.
Speaker 2 (02:09:32):
He says.
Speaker 1 (02:09:33):
You know, if your cruise around the internet and check
out what's been written about me, you'll read that I
was arrested for street fighting at the age of fourteen
and sent to a reform school called the Flora Sheriff's
Boys Ranch. It's like, really they said that about him.
And indeed I found something that was published in California
area newspapers around the time that he'd got in the
steroid scandals and the whiff of steroid trouble, and it
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does say here his father a construction worker and his
mother a housewife and dance teacher. I moved to the
pre hulkster to Tampa when he was three. He was
a star pitcher on his Little Lea team when he
was twelve, but found trouble for street fighting at fourteen
and was sent to the Florida Sheriff's Boys Ranch. Wow,
and he seeks here to debunk that. He says, you
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read I was arrested for street fighting at the age
of fourteen and sent to a reform school. I'm here
to tell you it's not true. It's obviously not true.
I was never a rest for fighting, and I never
wound up at that type of place. The idea may
have been concocted by a promoter as part of a
wrestling storyline and got picked up by the press. Or
it might have come from somebody confusing bits and pieces
in my life. Who knows, But I'm going on the
record and saying I never got sent to the Florida
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Sheriff's Boys Ranch. Now, never got sent there versus going there.
Where I did end up was a place called the
Christian Youth Ranch, which isn't exactly what it's called. It's
called the Tampa Youth Ranch. But I take his point,
and what happened to me there became a turning point
in my life. When I was a kid, my family
belonged to Ballast Point Baptist Church, but we didn't attend.
Speaker 2 (02:10:56):
On consistent pasis. Maybe we'd show up every other week
or so.
Speaker 1 (02:11:00):
I remember about those Sundays was getting dressed in my
clean clothes and trying my hardest to stay awake, which
wasn't easy. Then when I got to Monroe Junior High School,
I began playing football with these twin brothers, Ronald and
Donald Satterwithe. Both of them were Ronald and Donald McDonald right,
so I guess he played a little bit junior high too.
Both of them are preachers now. Every day after practice
they tried to talk me into coming to some kind
of ranch for Christian kids. Finally I gave in and
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went with them.
Speaker 2 (02:11:23):
You can picture this.
Speaker 1 (02:11:24):
Right, this thing where like they shrum the guitar and everything,
and oh yes, you know that's a very very like
teen angst thing. It's a way to get it's a
way to develop the next generation of Christian rockers. That's
what It's where creed comes from. Absolutely, So can you
keep us going here on this description of the ranch, bros.
Speaker 2 (02:11:42):
Oh boy, brother, Well, dude, the rams was about two
and a half miles from my parents' place in the
direction of downtown. It didn't look like much. It's a
house that had been built out, bigger than the other
houses in the area. There was a bunch of friendly
looking kids there, all of them sitting around and singing
and talking about the Bible. I was curious. I sat
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down and joined them, and after we went out to
play basketball and mess around. Turned out they needed someone
to play guitar at the youth ranch as they could
sing the gospel songs. So they could sing the gospel songs,
I'll sing guitar lessons at the time with mister Rhodes, right, brother,
and I could play the simple type of chords and
progressions that you might find on religious songs. So the
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next time I showed up, I brought my guitar. That
became my incentive to keep coming back, brother, that I
would get that I get to play the guitar while
everyone's sang. The guy who ran the ranch was a
musician named Hank Lindstrom. He's the one who explained the
lesson of John three sixteen to me. What about Austin
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three sixteen?
Speaker 3 (02:12:46):
Though?
Speaker 2 (02:12:47):
Did you learn about that one? He told me that
life isn't isn't it? Once around the block type of deal.
He said, if I accepted the fact that Christ died
on the cross to pay for my sins, I'd be
cleansed of them, and even better, I wouldn't perish, but
would have everlasting life. That sounded like a hell of
a deal to me. So when I was fourteen, after
hanging and banging out at the Youth Ranch, hanging and
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banging at the youth Ranch, hanging out at the youth Ranch,
I accepted Christ is my savior, and from that point on,
I felt like I had a better understanding of life
and why you should treat people the way you want
to be treated. Brother, accept what I'm not digging creative,
that's a different story. Go ahead, please. I just seem
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more aware of everything. Maybe it was because I was fourteen,
maybe it's because I was getting older, but whatever it was,
I saw things differently than I had before. And I'm
not sure I would have learned all that had I
if I'd ended up at this the Florida Sheriff's Boys Ranch.
Speaker 3 (02:13:53):
Dude.
Speaker 1 (02:13:54):
Wow, And but it does the audiobook years later it
totally skipped that chapter. It's so bizarre. They score a
lot of chapters. Actually, yeah, they do a lot of
non sequiturs in that book. It's almost like the one
thing I want to achieve more than anything with this
book is debunk things people say about me and kind
of package it is my life's story. But really all
it is is a series of things I want to say,
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didn't happen or did happen differently than interpreted.
Speaker 2 (02:14:19):
Did Terry go to the Florida Sherifft Youth Ranch.
Speaker 3 (02:14:21):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (02:14:22):
I mean, I'm convinced by what he says there, and
it was a thing. This is an article here in
nineteen sixty nine and the Tampa Times about it, God's Back.
The lead reads God's Back. Some have been claiming He's dead,
but hundreds of Tampa Bay teens flocking to youth ranches
in the area are here to say no to that boast.
Led by guitar playing ordained ministers, students turn out for
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evenings of singing, discussion and Bible study. And these students
are mostly high school leaders, football players, and fun loving kids.
For them, some for the first time. God is in
the Tampa Youth Ranch six years old. It's located on
one acre of land at three ten thirty ten to
di leone Street. Teams meet there every thursd from seven
thirty pm to nine pm. Ranch leader and Minister Hank
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Linstrom and his wife live in the attractive Cement Block
Ranch building. Lindstrom and Brandon Youth Ranch Leader Tony Mirabella
are on call twenty four hours a day to teens
who have problems. The new Brandon Ranch is temporarily housed
into Lamona Academy. I repeat on call twenty four hours
a day to teens who have problems. This is a
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ranch four teens who have problems. Youth Ranch atmosphere is
informal dresses, always casual. Some wear shorts and go bare foot.
What kind of problems though, Yeah, I know that's that's
the thing.
Speaker 2 (02:15:37):
I did not go to Sheriff's Boys Ranch, brother, I
went to a different one for the same reasons. So
I don't have problems, dude, right.
Speaker 1 (02:15:43):
While others may come in school clothes. Well, he did
talk about rolling up with Alan sometimes and ready to
throw hands, so maybe it's one of those instances. At
both the Tampa and the Brandon Ranch, the students sit
on small carpet swatches and sing songs like rock my Soul.
Before hearing Bible readings, Terry Roberts, I south thought it
was going to be Terry Boley. I was so excited.
But you know that is when you go through research,
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you're like, oh. Terry Roberts, a seventeen year old Brennan
High School senior, said she goes to the Youth Ranch
because it's a great opportunity for young people to get
together and learn more, not just about the Bible, but
about Christian attitudes as well. In a way we can understand.
I thought Terry was just saved like a couple of
years ago. I know he's always hes claimed to always
getting religious. Yea, it's just like it's just like, uh,
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the new that.
Speaker 2 (02:16:26):
You know when he says there's gonna be a new
hult Hogan, right, you know when he comes out and
he's just using chairs and ship the same thing, you
know what it is? She said.
Speaker 1 (02:16:40):
Church is too often preach hell, fire and brimstone, but
the ranchers are learning about love. It's hard to preach
love with the world situation as it is, she said.
Kenneth Little, a seventeen year old East Bay High School junior,
said he always had a tense feeling in church, but
the youth ranches take the starch out of religion. Frank Maybury,
a planned high school senior and varsity football punter, has
been a regular at the Tampa Ranch for four years.
The atmosphere of places refreshing, Frank said, admitting adding rather
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that it leaves him with a good feeling. Parents often
support the youth Ranches, especially Superintendent Dory Funk Senior. No kidding,
Oh God, and actual financing depends on donations. Offerings are
not collected at the ranch gatherings. If a is going
to get good. If a community fails to support the
project building a ranch and a salary for the minister,
then the minister himself usually takes on another job to
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supplement his salary. Rick Herseg, varsity defense linebacker on Alito
High football team, found out about the Tampa Ranch from
another Alito football player, Paul Curtis, and has attended regularly
for the past three years. I like it because it
offers the truth, Rick said, And teens are looking for
the truth.
Speaker 2 (02:17:43):
Muller, Now, I really don't believe that Terry Balao went
to this thing the truth? Are you kidding me?
Speaker 1 (02:17:49):
Now, so if that might not be true, what is
has to be true as well. Is what he told
the Mercury News in San Jose when WW was coming
there all those years ago for the the Levi Stadium
Santa Clara WrestleMania. He was doing publicity for them, and
they interviewed him. This is back in twenty sixteen, and
he said of his little league days, because of course
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that's a stadium that plays host to Major League Baseball games.
He talks about he was an overweight third baseman who
could field nimbly, hit for power, not run a lick,
all the stuff about being a fat kid growing up,
and how he was fat and slow but still could
do well. This is a forty nine ers stadium, not
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a baseball stadium, but he says they talk about his
athletic career basically, and he says it. This is where
he says it. Hailed as a twelve time world champion.
Hogan originally the article reads, envisioned himself making news in
another sport. His baseball dreams were no joke. He said
that he was good enough to attract scouts from the
Cincinnati Reds and New York Yankees.
Speaker 2 (02:18:53):
Yeah, so what it was my life. He said, well,
why can't you You know, he's totally normal and totally
fine and acceptable. He's a truth teller.
Speaker 1 (02:19:02):
That is true of Randy Savage, but not true of Hulcovi.
Speaker 2 (02:19:06):
No, but he's honest. He's on his bullshit.
Speaker 1 (02:19:08):
It's probably the same year, probably the same year Randy died.
Speaker 2 (02:19:11):
He's sure telling this one. Well, what, yeah, was didn't
his book come out in twenty eleven? His second book?
Speaker 3 (02:19:16):
Uh?
Speaker 2 (02:19:16):
His second book? Yeah, I think so.
Speaker 1 (02:19:17):
But this is he doesn't say the Reds in there.
He says the Reds here in twenty sixteen.
Speaker 2 (02:19:22):
Oh, I see which thing?
Speaker 4 (02:19:24):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (02:19:24):
Yeah, Savage died in twenty eleven.
Speaker 1 (02:19:26):
I don't know, man, if you were, if you were
scouted by the Reds and the Yankees, don't you think
you had mentioned that and both of your books when
you were talking about your little league baseball career at
Oh brother, what are you saying, dude? I'm saying here's
how he said it ended. He suffered a crushing glow.
More worthy of the ring. This article reads, I was
playing third base, bases were loaded, I moved in on
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the infield. The guy stepped outside the box and hit
one off the handle and as it dribbled down the
third base line, I ran in. This was the bottom
of the seventh inning and we scored with zero zero
and I picked it up. As I threw under a
I handed a first base, I broke my arm. My
arm was never the same roller. So that was the Uh,
that's how it ended, with a red scout in the audience,
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Terry throwing his arm out. That's right, And that's that's
the thing. The on the boys ranch. One thing I
do want to mention something that came up that I
thought was kind of interesting. This is an article that
appeared in the Tampa Tribune in nineteen eighty five about
the ranches in Tampa. I've been reading recent articles on
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this a Q and A Style column. I've been reading
the recent articles on wrestling and just wanted to relate
some positive relationships the championship wrestling from Florida and some
carrying people. When I first came to Florida twelve years ago,
I was employed at the Florida School for Boys at Okachobee.
I was previously with the Ohio Youth Commission. My philosophy
has been one to keep youth occupied and reward them
for positive behavior. I searched our communities for resources either
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at reduced rates are free. I first contacted mister John
Ringley North through promoted CWF Championship Wrestling from Florida and
West Palm Beach. He agreed to do our bringing. He
agreed to our bringing one cottage of thirty five to
forty youths a week to attend his matches free. That
a reward given for good behavior. I was involved in
that for five years. I was transferred to this great
city of Tampa in nineteen seventy eight, or rather the
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Brandon area, in charge of a group treatment home for
a seven bed residential facility. I immediately contacted Jimmy Tanaka
of the CWF here and he arranged my youths and
others in similar situations to attend the matches there. His dad,
Duke was the same when he took over. I had
occasions to talk with mister Gordon solely, and he personally
said he'd lend all help regardless of any opinions on wrestling.
These men have done a great community service. When asked,
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I want to express my gratitude to the people I mentioned,
as well as the late Eddy Graham for all he did.
This is the newspaper responding. Our experience has long been
that professional wrestlers are extraordinarily accommodating, as has been the
administration of Championship Wrestling back to the days of founder
Cowboy Latrell. They have been particularly helpful with the disadvantaged
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youth of Florida. And no one knows how much time
and money Graham, that is to say Eddie Graham Latrelle
and see WF wrestlers. They said CFW wrestlers contributed to
the Sheriff's Boys Ranch and girls Villa. So another another
potential ground zero for talent recruitment, the Boy's Ranch. And
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cal Farley was a Carney, don't forget that. Yes, he
was a wrestler. So this is the upbringing of Terry
bolea Terry in his last years as somebody who doesn't
have the glint in his eye of becoming a pretend
pro wrestler, and thus hasn't begun that transformation from normal
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human being to KFA motherflaw. So it's precious, it's limited
this time window, and so it's only appropriate here in
the complete Hull cogin that we spend this extended time
meditating on it, and we spent a lot of time
talking about how Ruth and Pete Bolea raised young Terry
in the backyard with the Tonka trucks working hard in
the sun and the blazing sun.
Speaker 2 (02:23:03):
Playing construction right.
Speaker 1 (02:23:05):
And while we're years and years and decades in fact
away from the passing of Peter and Ruth, Boleya felt
appropriate here to sort of front load on the journey
sure the passing of the parents that we spent a
lot of this episode learning so much about in the
prior episode. Peter died December eighteenth, two thousand and one,
in Hillsborough, Florida. Ruth died December thirty first, two thousand
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and ten, in Tampa, at the age of ninety. Peter
was eighty eight when he passed away. And it just
it just has to end this way. It just has
to end this way.
Speaker 2 (02:23:40):
Mm hmm.
Speaker 1 (02:23:42):
The shaming of William Gavara began early on a summer
morning at seven thirty am July nine, two thousand and four.
Gavar and his wife Judy were awakened by banging on
their front door.
Speaker 2 (02:23:57):
Oh boy.
Speaker 1 (02:23:58):
Judy went to the door in her robe to find
officers from the Tampa Police Department waiting to arrest her husband.
Officers gave Gavar a little time to dress before handcuffing
him behind his back. They didn't even let me comb
his hair, Judy says two years later, still suffers from
the arrest.
Speaker 2 (02:24:14):
They just like curiosity. Why would they Why would they
let you comb his hair? You know, like a company's
a weird thing. Why do you want to comb his hair?
And there are things to worry about, right, the fact
that he's, you know, getting arrested. Maybe.
Speaker 1 (02:24:26):
As he tries to tell the story, he slumps forward,
his voice breaking, barely able to to a word. Tears
fall from his eyes onto his Guayabera shirt. His wife
must speak for him. Gavara is a small man, sixty
years old, neatly dressed with white hair and a mustache,
immaculately cared for. He doesn't look like a criminal, but
on that July morning, he was treated like a criminal.
His accuser, pro wrestling icon Hulk Hogan oooh in the
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Star's eyes, William Gavara, who had cared for years for
Hogan's elderly father and mother, was a thief.
Speaker 2 (02:24:58):
Wow, damn right.
Speaker 1 (02:25:01):
Yet another example of what we said last time. There
ain't no one in Hogan's orbit that he hasn't accused
of stealing money.
Speaker 2 (02:25:07):
From him, right, that's exactly right.
Speaker 1 (02:25:09):
Or merchandise or personal effects or you know.
Speaker 2 (02:25:13):
Wives.
Speaker 1 (02:25:15):
Police charged Gavara with third degree grand theft. They charged
him with it, exploitation of an elderly person, and fraudulent
use of a credit card. It was all a mistake.
William Gavara entered Hulk Coogan's world in nineteen ninety eight.
He and his sons were working as caregivers for elderly people,
running errands, fixing up homes, doing whatever was needed. Hogan,
schaffor and acquaintance of Gaevara, mentioned to him that the
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Hulk's father, Pete Bolea, needed a caregiver. Hulk's real name
is Terry Boleya. Pete Blea was in poor health, unable
to move without aid, and lived in South Tampa with
his wife Ruth. Gavara met them and with his two sons,
began working for the couple. His sons were paid fifteen
dollars an hour to care for Pete until his death
on December twenty eight, two thousand and one. William did
not receive any payment for helping Pete. He says Gavara
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began working with the elderly thirty years ago in his
native Puerto Rico, carrying on a family tradition that began
with his father and continued with William's sisters, who went
on to own nursing homes in Tampa when he came
to Tampa to live in nineteen ninety five, his second
trip to the States. After working as a farm laborer
in Delaware for four years in the nineteen seventies, he
took jobs with his sisters as needed. He remembers one
moment in particular that convinced him that he had a calling,
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a gift from God. A favorite patient died of a
heart attack in his arms, and the experience reaffirmed his
commitment to helping older people. He has usually worked for
little or no money. The thing that people don't understand
is that William is that way. Judy said, He'll do
anything for you without expecting anything in return. His relationship
with Ruth went even further. He not only cared for her,
he came to think of her as part of his family.
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He has pictures of Ruth and Pete with his sons
and today when he shows photos. Ruth gave him of herself,
his countenance brightons. She was like a mother to me,
he says. In Spanish, he says he was Ruth's ponno
de la rimas, an expression that means that his was
the shoulder.
Speaker 2 (02:26:55):
She cried on.
Speaker 1 (02:26:56):
Most people who do what I do, they let themselves
be paid.
Speaker 2 (02:26:59):
But I cared.
Speaker 1 (02:27:00):
I only did good for her, Gaevara said, I treated
her better than my own mother. From time to time,
he says, rule absolutely, unless his mom was evil, could happen,
she could happen. I'm glad you clarified. From time to time,
he says, Ruth would give him ten dollars twenty dollars
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for gas money. He lives in the Lowry Park neighborhood
in North Tampa. The drive to ruth Belay is how
south of Gandy Boulevard, is not a short run, but
Gavara says he sometimes made the trip three times a
day when Ruth would call for assistance, and she called often.
Judy Gavara said in a written statement prepared for the
lawsuit that her husband took Ruth to doctor's appointments, shopping trips,
visits to friends. He even soaks her feet in EPs
and salts when needed, Judy wrote an in her statement.
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According to Gavara's next door neighbor, Juana Mondragon, his willingness
to help without being paid was typical of him. Mondragone eighty,
has known him for seven years and says that Gaevara
bought her groceries and medicines and took her to the
doctor while her son lived out of state. Anything I needed,
he would do for me and never would reproach. Mandragon said,
I would ask him what do I owe you, and
he would say, no, ma'am nothing. He was such a caring, responsible,
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honest person. There is no way he could have ever
done what they said he did.
Speaker 2 (02:28:09):
He is a good man.
Speaker 1 (02:28:10):
Hulk Hogan grew up in his parents' modest one thousand,
one hundred and seventy square front home at three one
zero six Paul Avenue, graduating from Robinson High School. The
working class neighborhood south of Gandhy is a far cry
from Hogan's six point four million dollar Bellair mansion, known
to fans of the v H one reality show Hogan
Knows Best, or the twelve million dollar estate in Miami
he purchased in April. Hogan is one of those uniquely
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American success stories, falling into professional wrestling just as it
was getting ready to explode from cult oddity to international
entertainment spectacle. He started wrestling in the late nineteen seventies,
but in a meeting with legendary proter Vince mcmahonsenior a
few years later led to his famous moniker and a
spot on the ground floor of the World Rostling Federation,
who worked his way up as both a good guy
and bad guy in wrestling soap opera inspired story lines,
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until his blonde mustache, de rag tight t shirts and
six foot eight frame inspired a following of Hulk maniacs
and spots and movies, most memorably in Rocky three and
television shows. He's a well known Tampa Bay fixedture and
a frequent draw at charitable events. He could not be
reached for comment for this story. Hogan moved his mother
from the house on Paul Avenue into a high rise
assisted living facility, Grand Court on Bayshore Boulevard in two
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thousand and four. Later that year, he sold his parents'
house for one hundred and forty nine grand He signed
the warranty deed as Terry Bolea. Cavara says he never
had much of a relationship with Hulkogan, seeing him only
occasionally when he would visit Pete in the hospital or
Ruth at her home or in Grand Court. He says
he got the impression that Hogan didn't like him. Stale
Gavar remained devoted to Ruth Bolea for all the favors
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he did over the years. Judy Gavara recalls one instance
in which Ruth gave her husband more than just a
few bucks for gas, a four hundred and twenty dollars
check after he helped enclose her car port. Nevertheless, while
Hulk Hogan discovered money was missing from his mother's bank account, he.
Speaker 2 (02:29:51):
Suspected William Cavara. Yes, why did he suspect William Cavara?
Speaker 1 (02:29:56):
Is it because he's a white man brother which he
isn't and took his suspicions to the police. An arrest
report relates that the wrestler turned reality TV star approach
to police on July eighth, two thousand and four, when
Ruth Bullay's bank statements and snapshots of William Gavara. Hogan
told police that according to his mother, the only person
with access to a Bank ATM card was Gavara. When
detectives interviewed Ruth Bullya, she told him the same thing
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and confirmed that her ADM card was missing. It is
easy to see from Hogan's perspective why he thought Gavara
might be the culprit. The day after Hogan made his accusations,
the police arrested Gavara and he found himself in the
Orient Road jail facing fell and he charges. In the end,
what cleared Gavara was a simple check of the Bank
ATM surveillance photos. Only after he was arrested and forced
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to post bail that detectives obtained the photos from the bank,
photos that showed a young man daring no resemblance to Gavara.
Police reports say Hogan identified a member of his extended
family as the person.
Speaker 2 (02:30:57):
In the bank photographs. No.
Speaker 1 (02:31:00):
Within a few weeks of Gavar's arrest, Ruth Blay assigned
to forum, stating that she did not want the case prosecuted.
By this time, Gavar had spent thousands of dollars and.
Speaker 2 (02:31:09):
Why do we gotta prosecute brother?
Speaker 1 (02:31:12):
We doingth ye terry. They have proof that it was
you know your cousin.
Speaker 2 (02:31:17):
No, I have proof, brother who it was. Don't you
know anything about how the world works?
Speaker 4 (02:31:23):
Mom?
Speaker 1 (02:31:24):
Just because just because contradicting evidence is introduced doesn't mean
you come off your position.
Speaker 2 (02:31:29):
Brother, Mom, do you understand? Dude? Now we're talking about
we're in the age of CGI, right, So how do
we know this wasn't doctored?
Speaker 3 (02:31:36):
Brother?
Speaker 2 (02:31:38):
How we know that they didn't just put somebody else
in there?
Speaker 3 (02:31:41):
Dude?
Speaker 1 (02:31:42):
Does it remain true that he was the only person
you knew that had access to the ATM.
Speaker 2 (02:31:45):
Brother, Ruth, you gotta prosecute, and you gotta persecute. Come on, man,
his mom, are you ready to tell me? Tell me, Ruth?
Are you ready to prosecute with me? Brother? By this time? Terry? Whatever?
Speaker 1 (02:32:06):
Pretty much, that's pretty much. It seems like what happened
because she reversed herself. Gevera spent Yeah, maybe it was
Bubba extended family.
Speaker 2 (02:32:13):
Maybe it was Bubba. That's true. What's that pan, Terry?
Speaker 1 (02:32:16):
What's that pen? It's asking for a four digit pan?
Terry Gavar had spent thousands of dollars in bail in
attorney's fees, but he'd been finally released from suspicion. For
most people, that might have been enough, but Gavara felt
that his name had been stained, that his friendship with
Ruth had been ripped apart, and his world turned upside
down for no good reason. So we got a new lawyer,
and he sued the city of Tampa for false arrest
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and wrongful prosecution. It's not clear from police reports just
how much Ruth Bellair realized what was going on in
the investigation. Gavara says she would go in and out
of remembering that he had been arrested. Recordings of numerous
voicemails Ruth left after the arrest bear out Gavara's assessment,
portraying a clearly confused and forgetful lady four year old woman.
Even as the Gavaras were pursuing the lawsuit, Ruth left
dozens of messages on William's answering machine, William, where in the.
Speaker 2 (02:32:59):
Hell are you you? Wow?
Speaker 1 (02:33:01):
Ruth said on one message that the gavar has kept
you and Judy were supposed to be over here helping me.
I need your help, guys. I hope that you come.
I know y'all think I'm nuts, and I am unless
I hear from you, bye wow. The Gavar has turned
to David Frash, a Tempa lawyer with experience both as
a practice prosecutor and a criminal defender. Frash had also
served for ten years as legal counsel to the Hillsbury
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County Sheriff's Office, which incidentally was the office I believe
Brian Blair was elected to in his short lived political
guard defending officer from exactly the kind of false charges
arrests that the Gavar has wanted a file, he said,
the police investigation with Shaddy, what's worse, the arrest of
Gavara just made no sense given his longtime devotion to
Ruth Hogan. Gavara is the longtime caregiver forrosh said, So
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then they just bag him for a huge felony, way
more than the evidence they have, and without any real investigation.
They assigned someone who did a real, superficial investigation in this.
Supporting Farash's conclusion is the fact that detectives alleged that
Gavara stole more than twenty five grand from Hogan, even
though there was no evidence that a mount had been
removed from her bank account. I don't know why they
call her Hogan there and a police report dated July fifteenth,
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two thousand and four, detectives wrote that Hogan told them
he found ten seven hundred and forty five dollars worth
of unauthorized withdrawals from his mother's bank account earlier in
that month, and one account of Guara's arrest.
Speaker 2 (02:34:12):
However, detectives up to.
Speaker 1 (02:34:13):
That amount, writing it could be a sum of twenty
five thousand that had been removed over a prier time.
Speaker 2 (02:34:17):
Brother.
Speaker 1 (02:34:18):
I mean, you know, one of the things do you
learn in the business, dude, is if you say ten
grand and no one bats an eye? What happens if
you say twenty five grand the next time, dude, especially
if that kicks it from a misdemeanor to a felony.
Speaker 3 (02:34:29):
Brother.
Speaker 1 (02:34:31):
The arrest report, signed by Detective Peter Orlinsky, likewise, was
fuzzy about the exact amount allegedly stolen.
Speaker 2 (02:34:35):
How can you not tell?
Speaker 1 (02:34:36):
Just look at the fucking bank account, putting it as
much as twenty five thousand end quotes. The police reports
confirmed that it was only after Gavara was arrested and
transported to the jail that the bank pictures were ordered
from the Bank of America, where most of the transactions
took place. If they had been requested before the arrest,
it is doubtful that Gavarro would have been thrown in jail.
For USh said the inadequate police work described in the
lawsuit could have been avoided. It quote was a case
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that should have been assigned to a white car detective
with more experience at complicated fraud cases. Fresh said the
detective who investigated the case quote had no submissible evidence
of anything beyond a few small withdrawals. Tampa Police's media
relation specialist Andrea Davis said no internal affairs cases had
been opened on the detective in charge of Gavera's case
and declined to comment further, citing the ongoing lawsuit. Gavera
had acknowledged to police that he withdrew money on a
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few occasions for the legally blind Ruth Bolla to get
her some cash or to run to the drug store
for her, but it was on two or three occasions
and with her permission and direction. Gebara insists were Tampa
Police detectives and cow towing to the Hulkster Starr struck
an eager to please the pro wrestling icon. For Ash
said he doubts it. I've seen them do terrible investigations
to the people who were not stars, he said, great
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line from the lawyer there greatly. There is no doubt, however,
that police and prosecutors were acutely aware of who Ruth
Blaya's son was. He sent autographed photos of himself to
the Tampa police after the arrests From with that courte
records show that the city admits Ulkogan sent the pictures,
but maintained.
Speaker 2 (02:36:00):
Did he also did he send Vienna sausages? But sure.
Speaker 1 (02:36:11):
The police say they did get the pictures, but they
were quote unsolicited and unrequested. What Terry Bulaas sent autograph
pictures as a little wink wink, nudge nudge, even if
not asked, I don't I don't know roller. A State
Attorney's Office report on the case likewise identifies the celebrity
nature of the matter, with victims son Hulk Hogan written
in mark across the bottom of one case document with
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fresh on board. The Gavares sued the city of Tampa
and Olinsky personally September fourteenth, two thousand and five, for
false arrest and malicious prosecution. The Tampa Tribune reported briefly
on the suit. The lawsuit, however, was doomed from the start,
as it turned out Olinsky had sought and received an
arrest warrant from a judge. Judges don't have time to
review the whole case and cross examine the detectives. In
such instances, they kind of trust the detectives. Frosh explained,
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once the police department had pained the warrant, it gained
immunity against being sued for false arrest. That left only
the malicious prosecution count, which is harder to prove then
win than a false arrest case. What's more, even Farash
concluded that the detective wasn't malicious, he just didn't do
a good job. Ah Hillsbury Circuit Judge Marvin Crenshaw dismissed
the complaint jenerary this year and gave the Gavera's twenty
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days to amend and file their suit. They haven't done that,
and Farash is withdrawn from the case. Court documents cite
irreconciple differences, and the Gavaras have not been able to
find another attorney. I've talked about twenty lawyers and they
all tell us William didn't suffer enough, he didn't die.
Judy said, they tell us that there isn't enough money
for it to be worth their time. Though he withdrew
from the case, Frash remains puzzled that the City of
Tampa didn't least settle the case on moral grounds enough
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to reimburse the Gavera's the thousands of dollars they spent
on bail in a criminal attorney. Fash that the Tampa
Police Department is the only law enforcement agency in the
area that takes the hardline stance that as long as
a warrant was obtained, no settlement will be considered. They
are the only government agency that does this. Frash said,
if they were the Sheriff's office, I would have agreed
that these people get some money. The city's Police Department
Council disagrees, are tributing Farash's opinion to the wishful thinking
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of a plaintiffs attorney who had more such cases he
will want to settle in the future. If a judge
issues an arrest warrant, the judge has himself determined that
there is probable cause for an arrests at Assistant State
Attorney Kirby Reinsburger by definition, the law enforcement agency hasn't
done anything wrong. We would never pay a nickel for that.
The Gavars live a simple life. Their bright yellow home
and lowry park is a testament to William's handyman skills.
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He's redoing a utility room, hanging drywall and putting in
tiling himself, but he is still feeling the effects of
being wrongly accused. He is angry with police, he is
angry with Hulkgan, and he's not the same man he
used to be. Judy says mentally and emotionally, he is spent.
The Gavara's lawsuit expresses the damage to Gavara in terms
of lost ability to work as a caregiver and loss
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of consortium with his wife. For William, the suit isn't
about financial reward. He just wants an apology, a formal
vindication after all that has happened, he says in Spanish.
They haven't even had the decency to say they're sorry.
Makes me emotional. My life, my spirit feels lower. I'm
sick in my nerves, I cry, Gavara said, I guess
this will just be another drug on amar go sour
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drink in my life. What can I do now but
believe in God and tried to live the rest of
the life I have left Jesus Christ All Cogan didn't
have the decency to say they're.
Speaker 2 (02:39:13):
Sorry, get out of town.
Speaker 1 (02:39:16):
Perhaps a trend. So yes, they did sell the house.
They did sell the incredibly modest home that Ruth Bulla
reared her two boys in and shot w CW promos
in and some guy bought it and kind of opened
himself up to the media to talk about what it
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meant to acquire hul Cogn's house and even meet Hulkgan
briefly as he came by during the course of the
sale of the house. That reared the bolas, was that
another Terry Bolayer roll up there?
Speaker 2 (02:39:51):
And that was some vincior quarters fucking I say, I
don't know where they fucking came from.
Speaker 15 (02:39:59):
No doubt Cogan had an impact all across the Tampa
Bay area. Spreads from here in North Clearwater Beach all
across the Bay to Tampa. He was born and raised
Terry Belaya, raised in Tampa. Grew up in a neighborhood
just south of Gandhy and that's where we find our
ten Tampa Bay News reporter Jennifer Titus with more where
jen neighbors still today. Remember Terry Belaya as the kid,
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not the wrestler.
Speaker 13 (02:40:22):
Yeah, yeah, Dave exactly.
Speaker 16 (02:40:25):
This is the place that he grew up. This is
where he called home. That wasn't until he graduated high school,
but he visited this neighborhood often. That was until two
thousand and four when his mom sold his childhood home.
Speaker 7 (02:40:37):
There.
Speaker 17 (02:40:37):
The man who lives in there now is the one
who bought it, and we got an exclusive tour.
Speaker 14 (02:40:44):
Here was the room that he and his brother lived.
Speaker 17 (02:40:46):
In, a room where two six foot four brothers would
lay their heads just down the hole from their parents' bedroom.
Speaker 14 (02:40:52):
When I bought the house, he was his mother's attorney
in fat so I met him at the closing.
Speaker 17 (02:40:58):
Stephen Huntley Robertson didn't know the history inside these walls
until that day in two thousand and four.
Speaker 14 (02:41:04):
Then, obviously there are knocks on the doors to start saying,
do you know who lived here?
Speaker 7 (02:41:08):
And a few years later this photo taken of him
and Hogan after the family filmed an episode of his
reality show Hogan Knows Best.
Speaker 15 (02:41:16):
Humble you know, very.
Speaker 2 (02:41:19):
Like I say, down to Earth.
Speaker 7 (02:41:21):
And that humble man would drive by occasionally over the years.
Speaker 14 (02:41:25):
He drove like a car to the very distinctive engine,
and I'd hear it every so often and run to
the window and he'd be, you know, driving by slowly
to take a look at the house. So it cleolly
meant something to him, the.
Speaker 7 (02:41:35):
House meaning even more now to Steven.
Speaker 2 (02:41:38):
It's quite sad, isn't it. We use a top institution, a.
Speaker 17 (02:41:43):
Drew Tampa institution, and just really the guy who these
people in this neighborhood remember as the kid playing neighborhood Dave,
the kid that called this side of the bay home.
Speaker 2 (02:41:56):
Kind of weird Holt driving by, Yeah, that's just fucking weird.
Like to know his the sound of his vehicle and
shipping like a brother. The brother's coming in, brother, right,
are we doing the house? Dude? Fucking what I'm outside, brother,
I'm watching what what? What? What are you cooking? Looks
like you're in the kitchen?
Speaker 3 (02:42:15):
Brother?
Speaker 2 (02:42:16):
You got you doing minutes? Take brother, he's lying. That's good.
Speaker 1 (02:42:24):
You got anyone sleeping on the floor, dude, to keep
to keep that authentic feel.
Speaker 2 (02:42:28):
You got my brother Allen in there, dude.
Speaker 1 (02:42:32):
He did have something buried in the yard. But it
wasn't Alan. Do you know what it was?
Speaker 2 (02:42:37):
Conquer truck?
Speaker 1 (02:42:39):
Uh huh? From Hulk's book That's Spring of two thousand
and seven. In the last days of filming our final
season of Hogan Knows Best, the whole family made a
trip back to the Big House in clear Water. Almost
as soon as we arrived, the production company insisted that
we take a ride over to visit the house that
I grew up in. I guess they had already cleared
up with the guy who owns the place now, because
he was waiting on us when we pulled into the driveway.
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Was so strange to drive into poor Tampa and see
those old brick roads, to drive past houses of old
friends and enemies and girls. I wish I'd have the
nerve to kiss. It was the first time I'd been
back since right after my dad died in twenty one,
and my perspective on the whole place was just so
different now. Some of the houses looked exactly the same,
even after all those years.
Speaker 2 (02:43:18):
Not mine.
Speaker 1 (02:43:19):
That little square house I grew up in had a
big extension off the back, which at least doubled its size,
but you could see the shape of what the house
used to be when you looked at it straight on
from the front.
Speaker 2 (02:43:28):
Can I offer.
Speaker 1 (02:43:30):
That as representative of Hulkog and himself?
Speaker 2 (02:43:33):
Huh?
Speaker 1 (02:43:34):
He doubled in size, but you could see the shape
of what the house used to be when you looked
at it straight from the front. Yes, honestly, it seemed
smaller than ever to me that day. When I walked
into the kitchen, it looked like some kind of fancy bestro.
The new owner had installed a stainless steel stove with
one of those fancy air vents, and had a plate
on the counter filled with corks from all the red
wine he liked to drink. There are beautiful hardwood floors.
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Nothing about the place was the same. It was shocking
that a place that small could turn out so beautifully.
The owner, it's really nice guy, who was probably about
forty said he had something for me.
Speaker 2 (02:44:03):
All of a sudden. I really thought, I really thought
that you were going to say his height. I thought
you were going to say he was like the guy
was about four foot ten, oh yeah, probably about forty inches.
Speaker 1 (02:44:13):
Yeah, yeah, said he had something for me. All of
a sudden, he pulled out this little die cast truck,
a toy tail. I recognized that truck. It was mine.
It was a real weird feeling, and it hit me
so off center. I had driven over that day with
Linda and my mom and the kids in the car.
Speaker 2 (02:44:33):
You have been amazing, You're an amazing If he took
if he took the truck all right, and in the
truck there was a little pebble, he just all right,
and he just he just looked at the guy. He
looked at the guy and does it without saving the guy.
Look at the guy. He doesn't say anything, just takes
the pebble, puts it up his nose and just sticks
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it way up there, and he just goes. He walks away.
Speaker 1 (02:45:01):
That's how my movie ends. It's not how the complete
Hull Cogain ends, however.
Speaker 2 (02:45:06):
Well, and then he says like he does, like wavy arms,
and he walks away.
Speaker 1 (02:45:12):
I had driven over that day with Linda and my
mom and the kids in the car. My mom didn't
want to go in the house. She's mostly blind now,
couldn't really see it anyway, but she didn't want to
come in for some reason. I think it made her sad.
And all I was thinking about as I walked into
that house was how fed up I was with Linda's complaining.
Then all of a sudden, this guy. Then, all of
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a sudden, this guy handed me this little truck. He
said he was doing some gardening and he found it
buried in the dirt. I remember that dirt.
Speaker 3 (02:45:40):
It was black.
Speaker 2 (02:45:41):
That wouldn't be the first thing that Hogan buried in
the dirt. The last would be the last Thinggan buried
in the dirt.
Speaker 1 (02:45:47):
Yeah, he's got a lot of burials under his belt,
that's for sure. I remembered that dirt. It was black
and hot. I used to play in that dirt all
the time with my big yellow Tonka truck and this.
Speaker 2 (02:45:58):
Little blue tan It was a black one. I know,
I know, I know.
Speaker 1 (02:46:03):
And here I was here. It was after all the
thirty or forty years had been buried. The pain had
faded almost entirely, and it was all pinkish white underneath.
I thought about being a kid in that house, how
I'd play in the back and stuff rocks up my nose.
He doesn't say, he absolutely says it. I remembered how
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awesome it was just to sit in that dirt without
a care in the world, and how happy I was
back then. I was happy in that moment too, to
be out of that car and in a situation where
Linda was forced to stop her complaining, do we have
to do this? Oh Jesus Christ, what the hell are
they going to do with this storyline?
Speaker 2 (02:46:43):
What are we doing now? Terry fucking Terry? Oh my god,
Terry ah ah Oh fuck man? Why I could be
on Wolsher Boulevard right now? Do you know that I
could be in Beverly Hills. I could have a hot
guy eating my fucking pussy right now, Charlie Hill, Why
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are we here?
Speaker 1 (02:47:08):
Why she could have a hot guy eating her pussy.
That's a great point. Put it that way. Let's get
out of here, holding that holding that little truck. Just
switch gears on me emotionally. Half of my father's ashes
were spread in the backyard there, under the grapefruit and
tangella trees that he loves so much. My dad hated
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staying indoors almost as much as my mom hated the
Florida heat, so she'd stay indoors and run the air
conditioner all day.
Speaker 2 (02:47:35):
I'm sorry, I'm sorry. What now? They hated the fuck?
Why did they live there? Why if the heat was hated.
It's a great question.
Speaker 1 (02:47:48):
And while he says she has air conditioning there, earlier
in the book he says that when they were kids
they did not, and that they had they had the
fan up. Well windows, she got a window unit, yeah
she could, or that after he becomes Hulk fucking Hogan,
that's for sure.
Speaker 2 (02:48:02):
Well, I'm not going I'm Ruth, I'm up. I'm up
buying a fucking like you know. I'm not giving you
a central air. I will give you a small unit though,
just call a window unit. I'll get your small window unit,
all right, brother? Can you call me mom? Why do
you call me Ruth? And brother? I'll tell you what.
I'll tell you why i'm a little oh well, because
(02:48:23):
I'll tell you. I just want to because I'll tell
you right now. You know, if you notice I'm not
in my house, I'm out of the house. So if
I'm out of the house, I'm you know, Terry Bulett
doesn't exist out here. This is whole Cogan. Wow, So
hul Hogan's here, brother, And so I don't you know
(02:48:45):
you're not Hulk Hogan's mom. I don't know who you
are actually, So why don't you just fucking take the
window unit and get the fuck out of my face.
Speaker 1 (02:48:55):
Are you hulk Hogan's mom? Well, it depends what you mean, Terry.
Speaker 2 (02:49:03):
Well, well maybe you should sit down for this one. Hey, Terry, Well, nope,
not here. Oh who's that? Oh your hulk today? I
get it, brother, I'm out of the house, inside my house.
I'm it's terrible. Sto'm stop once I get off the
stewp brother. I'm nothold brother, So I don't know how
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much longer I'm not have to fucking explain this to
your root. He's so sick of it, and I don't
blame him. Just stop being a bitch.
Speaker 1 (02:49:36):
She'd stay indoors and run the air conditioner all day. Well,
my dad stayed out in that backyard from sun up
to sundown. They found a way to make their marriage
work in that tiny house with no money at all.
Speaker 2 (02:49:46):
Yeah, they didn't. They were fucking off. They walled themselves
off from each other. She was inside, he was outside.
Speaker 1 (02:49:55):
They were on the same property. Though now part there
we go. Now, part of was there forever under those
trees that made him so proud, while the rest of
him might scattered out in the gulf of Mexico, knowing
how much he always loved the water. I felt sick
to my stomach as I got back in the car.
I wanted to stay lost in happy childhood memories forever.
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There had to be some way that we could be
happy again.
Speaker 2 (02:50:20):
There just had to be.
Speaker 1 (02:50:24):
As the sixties progressed, suddenly Hulkogan goes from appearing in
the local press for his little league exploits to appearing
in the local press for his musical exploits before he's
even out of high school. If you can open up
what I just sent you by Oh Boy nineteen sixty nine,
to be exact, we get the first whiff in the
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Tampa area newspapers that Hulkogan is now a bassist. Hulkogan
is now a music man.
Speaker 2 (02:50:52):
It's funny. He's a bassist and he's a racist. What
do you know they do? Which Bradenton Bradenton Brother braidenton.
Speaker 3 (02:51:10):
Uh?
Speaker 2 (02:51:11):
But which herd. There's like it's a whole page of
things right.
Speaker 1 (02:51:14):
Off to the left there Infinity's End. You see hull
Cogan's face right there.
Speaker 2 (02:51:18):
Oh, I see there it is, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:51:20):
And the band is called Infinity's End.
Speaker 2 (02:51:24):
New Infinities End will flourish Big Beat for Manatee County Youth.
The New Infinities End will furnish the Big Beat for
dancing at the Youth Center of Manatee County from eight
to eleven o'clock this Saturday night. One word describes the
new look and sound of Infinities of Infinities End Big.
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The big look of this Tampa group means five playing bass, guitar, trumpet, drums,
lead guitar, organ and lead singer. The big look means light,
black light, black straw on the beat, Strobe I think
maybe Strobe is without a knee on the beat and
psychedelic slides okay. The Big sound means more music power
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with bigger amps and the up to date songs of
Iron Butterfly, Fudge Cream, Creeden's clear Water along with current
pop and the rock generation favorites of the Rascals and others.
It all ends adds up to a big happening for
all who can make it at the Youth Center of
Manatee County. Check Yoakum is the lead singer, Mike Barris
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bass guitar and trumpet, Terry Balaya lead guitar, John Phillips drums,
and Gary Barris or Gary Barrs Gary Barris on organ
and guitar are the boys that are behind the big
looking sound gate. Fee will be fifty cents for members
and one dollar for out of county guests. Dress will
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be casual, with no bare feet, seethrows, cutoffs, or short
shorts being allowed. No one may leave the building before
the closing hour, loved, No one may leave the building.
That can't be legal, It's not. No one can enter
after a certain time. No one So much for the
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constitution freedoms aretail curtailed here At the Youth Center, students
who have passed from the seventh grades into the eighth grades,
the multiple seventh grades, oh yeah, and the multiple eighth
grades are eligible to attend to the center and membership
is offered to these students at a reduced price of
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one dollar. Membership cards will expire October first. Chaperones are
needed at the center and parents are asked asked with
two s's by the way, asked as kissed. Also chaperone's
with no E. Chaperons are at the center and parents
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are asked to contact the chaperon Chairman, Missus Matthew H.
Brown or Missus Jeanette Hyder, Director it's fucking tremendous. I agree.
Oh my god, that's so great. Look at him Infinity's end.
(02:54:27):
What do you see? Do you still see big headed?
Speaker 4 (02:54:29):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (02:54:29):
Or is he becoming something cooler?
Speaker 3 (02:54:32):
Uh?
Speaker 2 (02:54:33):
No, he looks a little more mature. He looks a
little more I mean, his hair is still inappropriate, but
he's uh, you know, he looks a little he looks
like a teenager. But it's it's really amazing to me
how round his face really is, because he does not
have a round face. You know, when you think of
Hulk Hogan, it's like you think of a square jaw.
Speaker 1 (02:54:57):
Yeah, absolutely true. So the narrative starting to shift on
the lanes Hulkgan or Terry Boleo, we should say. Still
he's traveling in and now he's picking up the guitar,
and he's making his way into the clubs, and it's
there that he starts to get noticed by professional wrestlers
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in and around Florida.
Speaker 2 (02:55:18):
It's in that kind of that's funny. It's funny because
he doesn't look that big. No, not in this picture,
but in others he does, other band pictures. He looks
like an absolute giant, I mean, but like like muscular giant,
because he looked kind of just lanky in that photo.
Speaker 1 (02:55:38):
Yeah, yeah, he he is lanky. I mean he's he's
a tall. He's a tall motherfucker.
Speaker 2 (02:55:43):
He's like arms are long and legs are like. Again,
you look at his at his WCW days, especially his
early ones, he's very like his his his body is
just so long, long limbs and things. Yeah, he doesn't
have well, you know what he has. He has the
body that tells you what he's gonna look like in WCW. Right, exactly,
(02:56:08):
That's what I mean. That's exactly right.
Speaker 1 (02:56:10):
He doesn't have the body that's going to tell you
what he's gonna look like in WWF quite.
Speaker 2 (02:56:13):
Yet, No, not at all.
Speaker 1 (02:56:16):
But this is such a significant change for Terry Boleya
because it's once he starts working the clubs in and
around the area and playing music, that he starts coming
in much more direct contact with the professional wrestlers who
would come in and you know, look looking for place
to drink after the matches, looking for place to listen
to music after the matches, And Hulk's getting booked with
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these bands all over clubs in Tampa, and he's getting
on people's radars and he's getting noticed for his size
by promoters who are involved, like you know, a Jerry
Briscoe or the Grahams or others who would be out
and about, always in the back of their mind thinking,
you know, can I can we recruit some talent here perhaps,
(02:57:02):
And it's also you know, superstar Billy Graham would come
through this circuit and that's where they talk about using
steroids and how to do it. And at the same time,
Bolea has already started to go to the matches at
the in the TV tapings at the Sportatorium in Tampa
and the Fort Hesterley. He's already a known presence at
a lot of the Florida wrestling matches, and he's already
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developing a proclivity for being a spectator and a fan
and making no secret to the fact by hanging around
and basically loitering around these shows that he wants to
break into wrestling. He wants to know what it would take.
Across Tampa at Leslie, his old little league contemporary, is
reaching a different stage in his maturation as well, and
he's becoming obsessed in his own bubble with professional wrestling,
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and one day he asks his older sister to please
take him down to the Tampa Sportatorium where they taped
the Championship Wrestling from Florida weekly show in the studio
setting every Wednesday morning or afternoon. It was, and it
was kind of thing if you heard about it advertised
on television and you could find a way to maybe
play hooky like claimed he do, to get over there
and attend the tapings. You could be one of the
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select few to see the magic made in the angle shot.
And in his book Ed Leslie recalls this, When my
sister was done torturing me, we finally made it to
this sportatorium. She was bullying him as an older sibling,
but she was kind enough to take him to the
matches when he asked her. I remember stepping out of
the car, slightly dizzy and slamming the door. I ran
to the now long line of people in front of
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me and started counting them in my head, trying to
do the math to see if I would be getting in.
As I was counting people, I noticed that one head
near my spot and line was sticking up.
Speaker 2 (02:58:41):
Way above the rest. Oh.
Speaker 1 (02:58:44):
I recognized that head. I had seen it some sitting
at the armory on Tuesday nights, and also long ago
back on the field, it was some kid named Terry
Molea aka the Little League Legend. Terry was bigger than ever.
He ate more than the average teenager. His typical breakfast
could include ten eggs, a pound of Hamburger meat in
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a quart of orange juice, all the protein and vitamin
C needed for a giant growing boy. At this point,
Terry was probably about nineteen and farsince graduated from our
baseball days. He was driving, so he pretty much seemed
like an adult to me. He was playing in a
band and seemed way cool seeing him in person with
something else For a young guy like me, Like Jesse's brother,
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I even more so wanted to be like Terry. I
walked up to him. He was much taller than I
had remembered, and even bigger. He reached six seven by
the end of his senior year of high school and
tipped the scales at three hundred pounds. Now, seeing him
again a year or so later, he looked even bigger.
It was obvious to me that he was hitting the
gym now instead of just hitting a baseball. Hey man,
I said to him, trying to make small talk. See
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you at some of the shows. He nodded. I don't
know you were in a wrestling I said to the
guy in the line, who looked bigger than half of
the wrestlers we were about to see. That's okay, Yeah,
it's okay, dude, he said, trying not to look as
excited as I did. As we waited, I told him,
I admitted that I always liked brother.
Speaker 2 (03:00:05):
You know it's fake. It's the wrong idea. Brother. I mean,
if you don't talk to me, I need to know that.
You know it's not real, dude. You know it's work, right, dude,
Oh my god, just fucking crushing it right away. What
a thing.
Speaker 1 (03:00:20):
And it's it's not it's it's the senior in high school, Terry,
the one you see right there in that.
Speaker 2 (03:00:25):
But of the infinities end, Infinity's end, every every new
beginning comes from some other infinity's end. From what I've
very good point. That's what the rumor is.
Speaker 1 (03:00:34):
Anyway, As we waited, I told him admitted that I
always liked watching him play ball. I like the way
he just kicked everyone's ass no matter what the parents said.
He seemed to like the compliment. We talked more about baseball,
and then about some of our favorite wrestling stories. Our
conversation was cut short the line started to move.
Speaker 2 (03:00:50):
Listen ed.
Speaker 1 (03:00:51):
He said, nice talking to you. A bunch of us
are going to the beach tomorrow about ten o'clock. Why
don't you come by hang out?
Speaker 2 (03:00:56):
Awesome? You want to hang him bang, dude.
Speaker 1 (03:00:57):
You'd be pretty cool to hang out with him and
the guys. Sure thing, I said, and trying to look cooler,
I mean sure, I'll see you there. Then the Sportatorium
TV taping was good, but I barely watched it. I
was so excited to be invited into the circle of
the popular cool kids that I was thinking more about
that than the actual matches. Next morning, I rolled up
out of the beach around ten am, just as we
hit planned. To my surprise, Terry and his friends were
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all done m They were already toweling off and making
their way back to their cars. It was obvious they
had gotten there at eight or nine am. Sorry, brother,
he said, we got an early start. Watch come back
next week, same time, be here around ten Okay, no problem,
I said, Just happy he was talking to me. The
next week came and it was deja vu all over again,
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same scene, same story. I got there just as they
were leaving.
Speaker 7 (03:01:46):
M hm.
Speaker 1 (03:01:46):
I must have fallen for that same stupid joke five
or six times or more before I finally realized that
they were just messing with the young kid. You See,
Terry and I had gone to the same high school,
but he was three years older than I was and
looked at me as being just some goofy boy. Come
graduation time, I was seventeen, but Terry and his circle
were like twenty or twenty one. He was already playing
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in a band and going to bars. He was also
lifting weights.
Speaker 2 (03:02:13):
Like a team.
Speaker 1 (03:02:14):
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