Ep. 431: The Complete Hulk Hogan | The Birth of Hulk Hogan (Part 3, Terry's First Match)

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:15):
It's the Lapsed Fan Wrestling podcast special report. The Lapsed
Fan presents the Complete Hull Cogan, a real American story,
brought to you by Garage Pierre.

Speaker 2 (00:27):
So now we've firmly established here in the Complete Hulkgan
that getting him into the ring for the first time was,
let's say, a circuitous bone breaking journey or bone s
braining journey at least, and leave no doubt as to
the root of Hulk Cogan slash Terry Boley's lifelong paranoia

(00:47):
about being taken advantage of in the.

Speaker 3 (00:49):
Wrestling ring.

Speaker 4 (00:51):
Lard.

Speaker 3 (00:52):
So we've got a very clear idea.

Speaker 2 (00:54):
The Heromatsuda story has been put under the microscope as
only TLF can do.

Speaker 3 (01:00):
We dare anybody else to get.

Speaker 2 (01:01):
Closer to the truth than we were able to, and
we're still left quite.

Speaker 3 (01:04):
A bit confused. Yeah yeah, I mean, honestly, the only
thing we'd the only thing that would kind of really
uh confirm everything, is if we were able to get
the medical report right fucking hospital.

Speaker 2 (01:15):
Right, like dates the time stamped x rays or something
like that. Right, of course that's not in the cards.
But what is in the cards is the very first
professional wrestling match of Terry Bolea, and of course, this
being Hull of Hogan, it's not so simple. This guy
told stories for years about how his first opponent was

(01:36):
Brian Blair.

Speaker 3 (01:37):
Brother, Well, it was what do you want? I'm brother.
The thing is, dude, see not everyone knows exactly when
see brother. So it's because what you saw on television
doesn't necessarily mean it's the first thing.

Speaker 4 (01:53):
Brother.

Speaker 2 (01:54):
Well, yeah, none of your earliest matches were on television.

Speaker 3 (01:57):
Maybe they were Tom saying do you see what I see?

Speaker 2 (02:03):
Okay, we're gonna do this now, so that becomes settled truth.
Brian Blair, of course, a Tampa contemporary of Hulks and
lifelong friend of his, is more than happy to embrace
this version of history. And then you know, websites start
popping up that do these exhaustive reviews of newspaper archives
and results archives and other kind of contemporaneous reporting about

(02:26):
what's going on in the rings of the various territories.
You know, the newspaper archives become much more widely available
and queriable, and all of a sudden, you know, these
databases like wrestling data pop up and boom, there's a
match before the Brian Blair match of course, that very
clearly Terry Bullaa participated in against a longtime journeyman named
Don Serrano, and it's now pretty much accepted that was

(02:50):
indeed Terry Bulay's first match. But that doesn't take away
all of the pomp and circumstance of that fateful match
with Brian Blair that was referenced as feeling very much
like Hulks made in voyage in that ring, because of course,
what do you know, Boss, he sent in the ring
without any idea of how it's going to turn out.

Speaker 3 (03:08):
Of course, of course it's real. Despite knowing that it's
fake numerous times, it's still real before he goes out there.

Speaker 2 (03:17):
And then nature of this kind of complication is it's
not so much they didn't have their fifteen minutes worked out.
They did, they did, but the folks in the back
thought it would be advisable and funny or at least
some part of the initiation process. If after the fifteen minutes,
these two relatively you know, wet behind the years green
rookies do their whole routine, empty their arsenals, do everything

(03:37):
they plan to do for the people, peak and everything
like that, What if all of a sudden. At that point, Boss,
the ring announcer says, fifteen more minutes to go, fifteen
more minutes.

Speaker 3 (03:48):
Oh my god, oh my god.

Speaker 2 (03:50):
What are these two brand new and the wrestling business
left to do?

Speaker 3 (03:53):
Brother? Why what does this serve?

Speaker 2 (03:56):
So they can stand there and laugh as these two
try to figure out how to improvise a wrestling match, which,
for Terry Bulay is the very second time he's ever
stepped into a wrestling ring before a live crowd in
the Florida territory there. So I mean, look, I mean,
no kidding, he's being backstat by no good Jack Toney,
Holy shit, like it's happening right here at the beginning. Yeah,
Root causes right, Yeah, yeah, I'm coming around to this belief,

(04:19):
and I've seen members of the Solar System posit this
and bravo to folks that you know listen to the
show on Patreon and take the time to comments terrifically
insightful things being said as we go through the entire
life and career story of Hulkgan here on the Complete
Hull Cogan, brought to you, of course by Garage Beer.
I mean, that's only something that needs to be rammed
home they're just noticing these little They're coming up with

(04:44):
great alternative theories as to why the people who were
around at the time and still commenting today say what
they say, like a Jerry Brisco Yes, yes, And I'm
coming around to this feeling that you know, as much
as Jerry has to say in retrospect that they saw
money in Terry Buller from the beginning, and Eddy Graham
saw money in Terry Buller from the beginning. I think
a lot of that is probably in retrospect because of
how stupid they would look if they didn't see money

(05:06):
in him from the beginning. They were doing a lot
of things to him that you don't do to somebody
that you think is going to be a cash cow
in terms of ushering them into the business. There was
a reason Hulk always talks about how a Paul Orndorf
or Brian Blair for that matter, seemed to just sort
of walk in, get trained, and get on the circuit,
having matches without all of this smoke and mirrors and
a year on the shelf and being put to the

(05:28):
test by Matt Suda. We saw how rail thin and
goofy he looked in that training.

Speaker 3 (05:33):
Fact. Yeah, I wouldn't think he was a fucking champion.
He looks like a I mean, he looks like a
job or at best.

Speaker 2 (05:39):
Honestly, everyone has seen the footage by now, yeah, And
I think a lot of this sort of mythologizing about
what happened and why came before that footage came out.
But once you see what he looked like, and once
you see how he presented and how much it stood
in start contrast to the muscled up, true hulk that
territories in this in this business had absolutely no choice

(06:01):
but to push, just because of how much you jumped
off the page. I think that's when a lot of
the yeah we always knew bullshit starts.

Speaker 3 (06:09):
Well, because the last thing you want to be is
the guy who who who you know didn't know at
that point, right, you know, like you need to have known, you.

Speaker 2 (06:20):
Need to have known you Yeah, right. I mean you
were in the case of a Brisco, I mean you were,
you were office, you owned a part of the territory.
You had almost like a responsibility to not look at
gift horse in the mouth, to not you know, exploit
a potential marketable talent, And it's almost like dereliction of duty.
If you didn't see money in the biggest box office
attraction in the history of wrestling. So, of course, of course,

(06:42):
over the years, that's going to become kind of the
subtext of everything that happened to Terry Bullia breaking in
in the Tampa Sportatorium. But I'm I'm now really calling.

Speaker 3 (06:51):
That into question.

Speaker 2 (06:52):
I really think that it's much more likely that they
were just having a laugh at this guy's expense, and that,
dare I say it, this early in the journey, Hogan's
paranoia was justified?

Speaker 3 (07:03):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (07:03):
Dare I say that Hulk Hogan for a reason?

Speaker 3 (07:06):
I would say maybe I would say this, I would
say that maybe Hulk Hogan's paranoia is a learned trait.

Speaker 2 (07:13):
Uh huh, That's what I'm trying to get at.

Speaker 3 (07:15):
Well, put, it's not something that is just uh, you know,
it's not something that he was he was born with,
but it is a learned trait based on his experiences.
Learned trait. No, it else is a learned trait? Boss?

Speaker 2 (07:29):
What when you reach for a beer? Oh fuck yes,
and you're saying to yourself, what's real?

Speaker 3 (07:36):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (07:37):
What's American? M what connects us to the spirit and
the times and the context in which Terry Boleya came
up all role band in the seventies.

Speaker 3 (07:48):
Well, there's nothing more American than a garage.

Speaker 2 (07:51):
Than a garage, A garage band, a garage beer, a
garage reality. That's that's what we're doing here. That's what
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(08:13):
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Speaker 3 (08:19):
Well, i'll tell you something too. Two out of the
last four weeks, they've helped me get through Patriots games.
I'll tell you that, is that right? So yes, yes, indeed.

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as he was clanging and banging on the Venice Beach,
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Speaker 2 (09:34):
It's propagating at the rate Hulk Cogan did. In terms
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Speaker 2 (09:58):
We saw money from the beginning, and they saw money
from the beginning, and here we are, and just as
within three years nobody could deny that Terry Bollaya was
money in the wrestling business, no one can deny that
the complete Hulk Hogan is money in the wrestling podcast
space business. And so of course our Forensica ROJBI are
helping fuel the engine, and we deeply thank them for

(10:19):
their continued support and making sure that the true history
of Hulk Hogan is laid down once and for all
here in audio format. And we continue our steady march
with again so many great points of analysis and insight
and research coming from the wider Solar system. This is
a powerful, larger force. These aren't just two people. This
is folks who share the same mission to run down

(10:40):
every lead, to turn over every stone, to clarify every
muddy circumstance so that everybody else can then go off
and do their projects based on that work. And so
it's exciting as we continue getting through this really formative
embryonic stage of Terry Bolaya's life. Is the birth of
Terry Boleya gives way to the birth of Hull Cogan.

(11:02):
He's broken in by Hiro Matsuda. We are lathered by
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(11:23):
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and twists and turns in the story of Hull Coogan.
And it's not only that, because Jackie Landers are jack
O Lanterns are lit ones across this nation and in
fact across this world, and for folks that subscribe to

(12:05):
the executive producer Tier and Higher on Patreon. Boss, it's
under the cinemat. It's the return of.

Speaker 3 (12:11):
Scary movie season.

Speaker 2 (12:13):
Bitches, Yeah, tell them what's up, tell them what's available.
Absolute fucking favorite times of the year, not only in general,
but especially for unt of the Cinemat.

Speaker 3 (12:22):
We are doing a long form journey, much like we
did with Hulkogan, actually, much like we did with the
Hull Cogan filmography. We are spreading out the the basically
the various the four different Halloween the movie franchise, the
different timelines, and every year for the next few years,

(12:45):
we're during scary movie season, we're gonna focus on one
timeline and just kind of figure out which one we
think is the best, honestly, when when push comes to shove.
And so this year we're starting off with Halloween four,
Turn of Michael Myers, and we're going to go through
the what is generally called the Jamie Lloyd or the
Donald Pleasants timeline. And then but that's not all, you know,

(13:09):
it's there's still it's only three movies. There's still going
to be you know, one or two other uh uh uh,
you know, scary movie themed movies as well. So it's great,
it's exciting, it's good stuff.

Speaker 2 (13:22):
It's it's it's a one of a kind companion if
you're new to the fold. Under the cinemat we switch rolls.
The boss Man takes the lead research and the hosting
chair as a lifelong cinephile, and I sit there as
someone who loves movies, but I'm not expert in it,
and I just soak in all of the detail and
all of the color and just try to offer perspective
as somebody that you know, is new to it.

Speaker 3 (13:42):
And and also I think for for for the wrestling
part of it, what is the connection? You know, that's
always the fun part.

Speaker 2 (13:49):
Don't just do any old movies, it's right, movies that
have something to do with wrestling.

Speaker 3 (13:53):
Yeah, And and as I've said thousands of times at
this point, there are more connections than you could possibly
shake a stick at, at least if you use our formula,
which is simply you know, obviously, if there's a wrestler
in the movie, that counts. That qualifies. If there's a
wrestler on the creative team, that qualifies. If a wrestler
has some sort of involvement with stunts, that qualifies. And

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then also if either the something within pro wrestling inspires
something in a movie or vice versa, which is more
than likely more often the case that something from a
movie inspires something in pro wrestling, that that right there
makes it an easy qualification. And with this one, with

(14:38):
the Halloween movies, Michael Myers qualifies because of the of
the Undertaker set up, which was taken from Michael Myers.
Have been said many times. I forget Pritchard said it.
I think Jim Cornett said it that it was a
direct lift off of the original Halloween and since that
first Halloween before Undertaker, that was a common thing. We

(15:01):
saw it in Halloween for when we did that one.
Just now he does the sit up at the very
beginning of the movie. It is a it's part of
the magic. That's part of the magic of Michael Myers
as well as the Undertaker.

Speaker 2 (15:13):
And we know for Bookers from Dusty all the way down,
they all steal from movies. You know, this is like
basically their their laboratory.

Speaker 3 (15:21):
Well it's almost like it's almost like to me that
they're trying to have in a way if something over
in the movie world is you know, has a pop
culture influence then maybe if we bring that over here,
we can have that same pop culture influence and maybe
expand our audience and become more mainstream.

Speaker 2 (15:42):
Yeah, well, good luck with that. It kind of worked
with kanaan Undertaker. That's probably the highest and best sure
in terms of you know, if if you say that
Halloween is indispensable to the development of those characters, then
you have to say that that was a successful you know,
interpretation into the wrestling context. Other times not so much.
But we're to document every single example of such to
say nothing when wrestlers are involved in acting in the

(16:04):
films and all of that.

Speaker 3 (16:06):
So it's and we've discovered so many you know, for
those who are new that we've discovered so many wrestlers
who you know, didn't even know existed, didn't even know existed. Yeah,
and we're able to profile them and it's really exciting.
It's it's wonderful stuff.

Speaker 2 (16:21):
If you're impressed by the complete Hole Coke, and you'll
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with your mom sitting in the bark a lounger, making remarks,
asking questions and talking shit about this fake nonsense that's

(16:43):
got her son or daughter so transfixed. And Boss sits
with Mama Sorrow, who you know very intimately by now
here in the lapsed fan and watches match after match
after match from the past.

Speaker 3 (16:54):
Boss.

Speaker 2 (16:54):
It's wrestle Mammy a time, no question.

Speaker 3 (16:56):
About Oh, it's oh every Monday morning, every Monday morning.

Speaker 2 (17:00):
Through that coffee and get it. Sit down with the
Boss and Mama saras. Yes, yes, yes, it is important.
It's there and actually funny enough with it being October,
we do I do Halloween themed matches or some kind
of scary type matches. Fun with my mom and this one.

(17:22):
By the time this drops, you'll probably those Wrestle Mamia
on the on the moat tier will have heard me
and my mom watch Vader versus Cactus Jack from Halloween
Havoc ninety three. That's positively stuff.

Speaker 3 (17:40):
The uh what you might call it, the Spin the Wheel,
Make the Deal Match of Halloween Havoc ninety three, So
you know that's it's And I'll tell you there's nothing
I am. And I obviously I've known my mom my
entire life, and I'll tell you every time that we
sit down and record matches, I'm always surprised. Yes, I'm

(18:02):
still to this day surprised as some of the ship
that she says, You've never heard.

Speaker 2 (18:05):
Anybody in your whole life, I don't care who you are,
come up with the lines of reasoning and questioning that
she does watching a pro wrestling man. Yes, yes, it's
to your point, it never ceases to amaze where what
she decides to focus on and what she decides to
kind of obsess over folks that were able to check
out our aw all in special a la Carte live
calls where Mama Sorrow sat in with us, got a

(18:26):
real good flavor of that of that dynamic just I mean,
just obsessed with Kazuchika Okada being Polish the whole time,
Like he's clearly a Japanese guy, but to her, Kauzuchka
sounds Polish, yep. And we go from there. So it's
it's it's it's the kind of fun that, like, you know,
we want to give to our highest and best supporters

(18:46):
because it's really like, you know, you're really getting into
the inner circle, and we're kind of we're a little
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(19:07):
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Speaker 3 (19:16):
You don't have to.

Speaker 2 (19:17):
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Speaker 3 (19:22):
To listen to.

Speaker 2 (19:23):
So I'll forget that, yep. And of course boss leaves
are turning. Yes, the air is getting brisk, and before
you know it, our Halloween decorations will give way to
that very very pregnant yet vacant space between Halloween and Christmas. Yes,
and we wonder what will go on the lawn we

(19:44):
wonder what we'll go on the house. We wonder what
will deck the halls this year. But here in the
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(20:06):
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(26:11):
Have you ever perceived in your mind what Hulk's first
match was like? When you think back to what you've
seen of Hul Cogan in your life, including on YouTube
and stuff, where do you perceive as first match was like?

Speaker 3 (26:23):
Where do I perceive like in terms of like like
a like a promotion?

Speaker 6 (26:27):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (26:28):
Or did you make sure it in Awa? Do you
picture it? No? No?

Speaker 4 (26:32):
For me?

Speaker 3 (26:32):
When I was I mean when I was a kid,
I mean, it was always WWE. It had to have
been like I had no idea what an Awa was,
let alone any any other. And let's be.

Speaker 2 (26:42):
Honest, to a young hunkle maniac of our vantage with
Hasbro kids, you would have been kind of offended to
learn that hul Cogan existed before WWF.

Speaker 3 (26:50):
I'll tell you. I'll tell you something. Okay, you're absolutely
right because when I was a kid, probably within my
first two years as a wrestling fan, I was even
that fucking tape you were, yes, that tape the match
Hulkogan didn't want you to see, and it was like

(27:11):
I was mortified by this and he's booed out of
the fucking building, and and yeah, I I I was.
I didn't. I didn't really know what to fucking make
of this. I'm trying to remember really what where I
was in terms of I mean, I definitely was still

(27:34):
convinced that there was some reality to it, because it
didn't really didn't WE hit me until until probably ninety six,
I think when I really was like, more, Okay, you know,
seventy five percent of this is real, is fake, but

(27:55):
that that's real, that whole you know, the Eric Bischoff
thing theory. But you know, so at this point I
was probably more convinced that it was real. But I
really don't remember what. I know that this video scared me.
But explain that.

Speaker 2 (28:11):
I think people, you know, people who grew up as
like sort of mainlined, you know, with WWF mainlined into
their veins, get what we're talking about. But there are
folks from other parts of the country who were mainlining Crockett,
WCW you know.

Speaker 3 (28:25):
Totally because you know when when, Because Hull Cogan is
the reason I I was a fan, you know, I
remember I, as I've said, I caught him on watching
a match on TV, and it was like I was
drawn to him. He was the guy. I was very
I clearly knew he was the guy and so and

(28:48):
even though he was it was the end of his
real popular that you know, that that golden period, you know,
watching in late ninety one early ninety two, I was
still like a major Hull Cogan fan. I wanted to
see you know, he was he was the guy, and
he couldn't have like I could not imagine him being

(29:08):
a bad guy. I couldnot imagine people booing him. It
just wasn't possible. How could you boo. This guy, he's
the greatest thing. You know, he's a real American. It's
not a fake American, right, you know. And and when
I saw that, you know, there are many there are
many videos that I did not that. It took me
a long time to watch because something bad happened to

(29:31):
all Cogain, you know, uh Survivor series ninety one, him
losing the belts to the Undertaker. Like I knew I
should watch this, but I didn't want to watch it.
I didn't want to watch him lose King of the
Ring ninety three. I should watch it, I didn't want
to watch it because it just I didn't I wanted satisfaction.
I didn't want to leave there being upset watching the

(29:52):
video upset. And so that's you know, I just I
just could not allow myself to believe that Hull Cogan
could ever be a bad guy. I'll tell you what,
I wouldn't surprise it. I wouldn't be surprised if when
I watched it, in my mind, I at the very
least imagined that the cheers that Jerry Lawler was getting
were for Hull Cochin. You know, that's I would do that.

(30:17):
I would do that I mean, I convinced that myself
of that, even even as far as Survivor's series ninety
six with Sid and Seawan.

Speaker 2 (30:23):
You have to remember that for people of our age,
you know, kids of the eighties, it's not that hull
Cogan fit into what we understood to be wrestling. Hul
Cogan created what we understood to be wrestling. Hull Cogan was.
What hull Cogan was was a distillation of what wrestling is.
The good guy triumphs. He comes up against, you know,
different obstacles, but his specialty moves always work. He can

(30:47):
always dig deeper and have a deeper reserve of resilience
and right really invincibility like any superhero.

Speaker 3 (30:53):
Yeah, he's right, He's the superhero, that's right.

Speaker 2 (30:55):
And so that that's why it's a threat because the
only way we understand wrestling is the hull Cocin presentation.
And so to give us a different look at like
Hulk being cast differently or somebody else being received as
the person in the Hull Coke and shoes, we weren't
we weren't able to process wrestling that way. We didn't
understand that there was a wrestling that hul Cocin fit

(31:15):
into we thought wrestling fit into Hulk Cogan.

Speaker 3 (31:18):
Well, I mean, I wouldn't doubt that. Subconsciously, I believe
that Hulk Cogan was the first professional wrestling pretty much.

Speaker 2 (31:26):
Yeah, you know, like it's not like WWF went out
of their way to remind you during that era that
there was wrestling before hul Cogan anyway, right, I mean
you certainly did. I certainly would get some doses of
that when I'd watch the early Coliseums old the yeah,
the old Colosseum tapes and whatnot. But you know, and
I knew about the Iron Chic match and whatever, but

(31:47):
you really never, you know, they never obviously, they never
talked about his his heel period in w W E
at at the very very beginning. So it's they literally
pretended that when he wrestled them in Pontiac, Michigan, that
was the first time they have wrestled, right with them
being on shows with tens of thousands of people in
attendance in New York and.

Speaker 3 (32:04):
Televised for that matter.

Speaker 2 (32:05):
Yeah, arresting each other in Shae Stadium, I mean, give
me a break, But that's the myth making, that's kind
of right. That was what was still possible, you know,
in a pre Internet age, obviously, in a pre social
media age and all that pre information age. In a
lot of ways, it was possible to convince YouTube date
pre YouTube for sure, a generation of fans that are
still here today helping keep WWE as as profitable as

(32:30):
it is, you could convince them that there was nothing
before this. There was no There was no way for
me to find out as a kid that actually Hogan
and Andre did wrestle before.

Speaker 3 (32:41):
Yeah, there wasn't, right.

Speaker 2 (32:43):
And so within that you could just imagine the suite
of possibilities that that unfolds before a mind like Vince
McMahon junior who always wants to be, you know, the
architect of everything. And and we were, you know, we
were downstream from that mentality as he took, as he
took the power and the reins from his father. Of course,
that's all still to come, but I feel it important
to kind of get you your gauge on how long

(33:04):
and far back I remember really only becoming deeply aware
of Hulkogin's pre WWF exploits, and by WWF I mean
post eighty four, not the first run for his father,
for Vince's father right in and around the time that
they started doing the biography specials and stuff, and A
and E started doing stuff about like how we got here,

(33:27):
and I distinctly remember the one that they did in
ninety nine, which was based mostly around wcw WE excerpted
from it. There were some interviews with Ruth and Pete
on that, and because he was in ww at the
time and they could not get permission from WWF to
use any licensed footage. This is before you could do
kind of fair use and find it on YouTube. You

(33:48):
literally needed WWE to send you the footage if you
were going to be able to use it in a documentary.
But he was a ww so no fucking way. And
so that documentary focused so much more on everything he
did outside of WWF than any other piece that you
had seen produced on him before, and including a lot
of the A W A stuff, which, of course Eric Bischoff,
being in me and Minneapolis guy and having gotten involved

(34:09):
in the business of the AWA and watching Hulk in
the AWA before he came to the w WF, was
more than happy, you know, to lean into on that tape.

Speaker 3 (34:16):
And I'm sure.

Speaker 2 (34:17):
It wasn't hard to get Verne or Greg or whoever
on the phone to get that footage and yeah, and
then pretty soon you started to become aware well.

Speaker 3 (34:23):
As Greg was Greg working for the for DOCW at
the time. Still I don't think so. I don't think so.

Speaker 2 (34:28):
But you know, Bischoff's always had a warm line to him.
And yeah, with those guys from back then, Shaggerly some
of the other course, some of the other people from
that office that they got involved after he came over,
But that that was kind of the first time that
I realized I kind of knew he was in a
w A, but.

Speaker 3 (34:48):
I hadn't seen it.

Speaker 2 (34:49):
That's the thing. How are you gonna see it? I'm
trying to think. I mean, I hate to say this.
I hate to say this because it would really just
make me look like a fool. But part of me
is wondering because I don't I can't think of a
time where I would have heard about the away before
you read me fucking Scott Keith's book. That was groundbreaking,

(35:11):
huh for us, you know, for anybody else, but for us, No, No,
I know.

Speaker 3 (35:16):
Like I I want to say that I must have
known something, but I don't know how I would have
known something. I wasn't. I wasn't really big on the
Internet for looking for information. I certainly was not reading Meltzer.
I didn't know who Meltzer was until I met you.

(35:36):
I I don't know how I would have known about
the AWA, honest to god.

Speaker 2 (35:42):
Outside it was that Wrestling All Stars vhs that came
out when we were kids. That was some matches from
the w Sargeant Slaughter on the cover.

Speaker 3 (35:50):
Yeah, but I don't think I. I mean, I'm okay.
So I might have known about the AWA from from
A from video cassettes. I certainly didn't fucking rent those, right,
I lie about them? Yes, that's well, Yes, you're right,
That's how I would have fucking known. You're abolute right.

Speaker 2 (36:05):
The first time I saw Road Warriors was a w
A promotional film photos and stuff.

Speaker 3 (36:08):
But I would not have known Hulko mom. I guess
maybe I would have known. Did they ever talk about
that in in.

Speaker 2 (36:13):
Pwy Hogan's history outside of WF. I'm positive they did.

Speaker 3 (36:17):
That was there. That was their whole thing.

Speaker 2 (36:19):
When WWF cut off credentials, it's like, well, fine, we're
gonna talk. You know, we're gonna make as much as
we can out of the photos we have of these
guys that we have permission to use.

Speaker 3 (36:27):
That might have been Maybe that's how I did learn
about stuff, you know, I now that I think about it,
that might have been. That might have been something I
might have learned about about some whole Hogan stuff, and
especially when he won, when he came back to wcwah.
But yeah, yeah, it's I might have I might have
I might have learned some of that stuff there. But

(36:48):
this is all important to say, and this is gone now.
Like no other generation will understand this because they have
YouTube in the network, in Peacock and whatever, even our
video in their bootleg stuff. Like you can't. You can't
understand how fucking magical it was to see footage for
the first time of a WWF superstar of that era

(37:11):
before they were in WWF for the first time. You can't.

Speaker 2 (37:15):
It's just because you think like, for some reason, the
guys who were charismatic enough to be WWF headliners could
only exist in WWF, Like they almost incubated them there, right,
and you see them in other context, you're like, no,
they were just as charismatic, and they jumped through the
television just as much through the camera just as much
in other promotions, and that's what Vince grabbed, That's what

(37:36):
Vin's bought. Yeah, he put a lot of accouterments on
them and dialed things up and down on the personality
and the look and everything and made these guys heavily marketable.
But goddamn, give me a break. He had a huge
head start with every single person he made millions off
of because he could observe them in other habitats and
see that raw material there. And even more than raw material,

(37:58):
he's not discovering people that aren't over. He's taken the
guys that have absolutely lit the territories they're working in
on fire, including Hulkogan of Easvdawa, and as we're about
to find out as we continue through the complete Hulk Coogan,
I'm excited to report many other territories than that, even
before the wa that are heavily underplayed, not only by
WWF but Hulk Hogan himself, and for reasons that I

(38:20):
can't wait to get into. But I mean, just to
be able to lay eyes on this first couple of matches,
before he had grown into his body, he had grown
into his style, before he had realized the parts of
his game that could make him, you know, someone that
captivated crowds versus the other kind of you know, we
saw how straight laced and technical the presentation of Florida

(38:41):
Championship Wrestling could be. Wasn't always you know, dust Dusty
Jola Duke and others would bring heavy, crazy violence, no
question about that, big brawling style. But it was very
important to Eddie Graham that the fans perceived that at
the very tip top, at the NBA World title level,
it's hold for hold, and it's basically best technician wins.
Best technician is the biggest in the sport, and for

(39:01):
a hul Cogan, being as limited as he was in
a lot of the the wrestling, it was hard to
see how he would fit into Florida. And that's why
I go back to that interpretation of not being surprised
if if the Briscoes really kind of saw this kid
as as not a mark, but somebody who who was
his highest and best use was a subject of amusement,

(39:24):
you know, to see how far he'd push himself, to
see how how much he'd take It doesn't mean he
didn't earn grudging respect, but I'm not willing to make
that connection that they also saw because they talked about
how huge he was. Yeah, he was huge, he was tall,
he was skinny. He wasn't the hulk when he was
on stage playing bass guitar for Ruckus. He didn't have
the fucking definition that he hadn't know that, he hadn't

(39:47):
filled out when he like he did in a set
of Rocky three or in the set of Johnny Carson.
He hadn't discovered that level of God, you look at
you look at fucking Hogan.

Speaker 3 (39:57):
When was that? When was that footage that we saw
seventy seven and and that uh that Johnny Carson is
is eighty two? Yes, mother fuck her. He's just going
five years and he is a balloon.

Speaker 2 (40:10):
Hard undo the ball He's not cycling, he's not really
counteracting it with the kind of cutting drugs you use
to prevent that bloat. Look, he's just using as hard
as he can. And he's admitted it because he understands
that that's going in steroids, steroids. That does get in
the way that whole I never did steroids, brother, I

(40:31):
don't do steroids. I've never heard of steroids, and I'm
not addicted to steroids. I haven't been enough i'd say,
response to your question, brother, what are steroids? I mean
to ask you? Do you say I'm monsteroids?

Speaker 3 (40:44):
Brother? I ask you what is a steroid? Right? I
don't know what that is? Brother?

Speaker 2 (40:51):
I mean, can what is it? I can't answer that question,
That's all right? Then I said, then you know what?
Then I can't ask that question? Wow, you can't ask
me if I'm on something that you didn't even know what?
Can't answer, brother, And I'm not asking. So I win
and I'm going home. Oh, he will go home faster

(41:14):
faster than you think, because after all the trials and tribulations,
after the mishap with the Aromatsuda and taking those months off,
coming back, grinding through about a year of training under
the Florida Championship Wrestling System in the Sportatorium, Terry Bullay
is ready for his first match.

Speaker 3 (41:31):
And we're gonna.

Speaker 2 (41:32):
Resurface a clip that we played last time we were
with you, where Jerry Briscoe talks to our friend Brad
Balucci about Holt's first match and how it all came together,
and obliged to remind you that our friend Brad Bluccian
over at the brad Pack Patreon account is more than
happy to welcome members of the lapsed Fan Solar system

(41:53):
into his particular fold. Brad, of course, wrote the terrific
book The six Pack that talked so much about this
time period in WWF, Hogan Chic, so many others, and
he did so many tremendous interviews for that book, and
only snippets were used for the actual publication. But if
you go to patreon dot com slash the brad pack
right now and tell them we sent you, you're going

(42:13):
to be able to get access to the entirety of
so many of the interviews that underpinned the terrific book
he wrote about this time period in WWF, many of
which we're proud to sample as part of the complete Hulkcogin.
So it's Patreon dot com slash the brad Pack. It's
four ninety five a month to get access to a
ton of documents that he pulled, a ton of audio
interviews that he did, and so many more materials, and
he's going to keep posting them in kind of a

(42:35):
staggered fashion as TLF progresses through its complete Hulk cocin chronology.
So you're just getting garnish because as much as we'll
sample from the sound that Brad has shared with us.
There's so much more to pick up from the complete form.
So it's a beautiful piece of synergy here. And he
does want listeners of the Labs fan to know that
anybody who joins that Patreon will get a free personalized

(42:57):
autograph book plate which is a sticky can put inside
the book the six pack if they just email him.
And it's all all the information you need is there.
You can also check out his website at the bradpack
dot com. So without all that said, we're going to
go to Jerry Brisco here talking about Terry Bulay's first
match against Don Serna.

Speaker 4 (43:15):
Yeah, so Mike kind of knew him.

Speaker 7 (43:17):
Eddie just just another big guy, and Eddie knew he
was money too. We had Johnny Valentom as a book,
so here and here, I want to jump here and
so here.

Speaker 4 (43:26):
I don't know how many weeks.

Speaker 7 (43:28):
It was, so I can't tell you he's trained six
weeks solid weeks. So back then you if if he
called on something, we got you in the ring. Because
the best best way to train somebody is on the job,
training like it is for a lot of a lot
of different skills and so our business. You know, we
were fortunate co we'd run a lot of what we
call spots shows back in those days, the little high

(43:51):
schools here and there, little a little armory, National Guard
armories that that guys would run, office would run and
we can book really new talent on 'em and let
them get their feet or somebody coming into the territory
that we wasn't We wanted to push, but we wasn't
quite sure of the skill level. Yeah, we could pull
'em in and he's deal. Brian, Brian started his career.

(44:12):
Brian Blair started his career as we all did it,
and he the little spots shows, as we call him.
So we booked and there were Brian's kind of confused.
So we we booked Terry and Vero Beach Flora under
Terry bow lamb okay, and he had his first match
and this is where gets you know, we just everything's

(44:33):
just confirmed on what our thoughts was about this guy. Yeah,
here's a guy nobody had ever seen in their entire life.
Here's a guy who had never walked to the ring
in front of a full audience, and full audiences, like
I said, it was a armory and a full audience.
It's probably six hundred people for a crime from ninety

(44:56):
three thousand excreaming at you. But it just a little
little slice and and his history. We're all of course
when his own third match, Don Toronto, one of our,
one of them was one of the guys that you know,
he used the enhancement no they call him nowadays enhancement.

Speaker 8 (45:16):
Guys Don Toronto like E R R R A n O.

Speaker 7 (45:21):
The guy was fantastic in the ring and just a
fantastic teacher. And one of these guys that when he
tipped with you is like you know, you couldn't even
feel him.

Speaker 4 (45:31):
I mean, he was perfect for Terry. For what Terry
wouldn't become.

Speaker 1 (45:35):
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Speaker 2 (46:59):
Perfect for Terry four. Terry would become Don Sermo's kind
of guy you put in there to guide a brand
new person through a wrestling match. So this whole idea
that Hulk went to the ring against Brian Blair scared
to death because he'd never done this before. No, he'd
already had a match, so any first time before. The
people jitters, well, no, dude, Well the thing is brother,
Well that's true, that's true. But the thing is the

(47:22):
match I had with Brian Blair the first time I
knew was fake. Oh I see oh, because Ronald I
was told was real. So you didn't realize it wasn't
during the course of the match.

Speaker 3 (47:31):
No, brother, I was shooting me. Dude, you're shooting on me, thought, yeah,
I'm brother. I Also, I found my life in there. Dude.

Speaker 2 (47:45):
Yeah, tell us about that match, because that's something no
one's ever asked you about, because you said, you know,
people ask you when your first match was, and you
would say Brian Blair, So it's not like we've ever
heard you talk.

Speaker 3 (47:52):
About that's what my first match was. Dude. You know,
when you think about a professional wrestling match, the first
time I was in the ring with Don so Ronald,
he shooting at me, brother, So how'd that go. I'm
going out there, dude, and I'm trying to fight for
my wife out there, and I'm wondering exactly what is
going on? So what how to go?

Speaker 2 (48:09):
I mean to just blow by blow? Can you take
us through what you remember happening in the ring?

Speaker 1 (48:13):
Brother?

Speaker 3 (48:13):
I mean it was like, but thing is do? It
was like I certainly like blacked out pretty much. Brother.
I really didn't know what was going on. Oh I knows.
I'm throwing my arms around, dude, and I'm trying to
kick and brother, I'm trying to Brother. I was you know,
I said, you know this guy, dude is to a
us wrong. He could kill me in the ring. Brother,
I could die right now. That's what you know. That
was mentality, dude. So how to go? And I had

(48:35):
really just just just kind of you know, Crank or Ruski,
that son of a bitch his picture.

Speaker 2 (48:41):
I get his first match, which we're gonna get to
under the hood as Super Destroyer wearing a mask okay,
and a singlet.

Speaker 3 (48:48):
Brother, I warn't a mask, dude, No one knows who
I am. It wasn't even know Terry Boy is dead
for like weeks.

Speaker 6 (48:53):
Brother.

Speaker 2 (48:56):
He goes in there with that size and that singlet
and that mass and he just closes his eyes. When
the bell rings and starts, wind Milling punches wind Milling.

Speaker 3 (49:08):
I remember I was I was so scared of don
So Ronald.

Speaker 9 (49:11):
Brother.

Speaker 3 (49:11):
I just was like, I have my hoes closed. I'm
just swinging. Brother, I'm just like doing I'm just going
around the circles. Brother, my arms out, Dude, like I'm
like a top. Brother. It's like, hope I hit something, Brother,
that's the color I'm looking for. It's ting. He just
comes flying out of it, flailing.

Speaker 2 (49:29):
Out of the corner, like like he's attacking a home invader,
you know, invader number one. I mean Serrano was Puerto
Rican home invader number one, home invader number.

Speaker 3 (49:39):
Two, the goodish alarm system. But I just got turned
to run it up and just kind of like grab
him and hold him. Brother, just gotta hold him down.
Not sure what the fuck I was gonna do hold him,
and I'm just like, brother, a dude, and I'm just

(50:01):
like trying to you know, I don't know what I was.
I don't know what I was doing out there. Brother.
Suit on my leg again. Yeah, he put his elbow
and my shin. At one point, Brother, I just kicked
him in the face, broke his nose, and I checked.

Speaker 2 (50:14):
I managed to chicken wing him at one point, right,
get his arm behind him. Last thing, brother, at one point,
calm down. I said, you know, Terry, dude, you've done
this before. You know, you've taken You've taken high school
wrestling coaches down to the ground.

Speaker 9 (50:26):
Brother.

Speaker 3 (50:26):
And that's what I did. I just chicken wing Don Serrano. Brother.

Speaker 2 (50:29):
I just wrapped my arms around his face and just
ripped his neck off and I'll pinned him. I don't hear, Terry.
I see Don Serrano defeated Super Destroyer as the recorded outcome.

Speaker 3 (50:40):
Well that's what they do because the brother, you know,
they don't want you know, they want to create a
kind of a mystique about.

Speaker 2 (50:47):
Dom Donald Cowboy Serrano. Let me ask you a question.
You know what else this result list says, and every
other result list says. What mister Brian Breyer has this
confus Sure we booked him in Vero Beach, Florida.

Speaker 3 (51:02):
No you didn't.

Speaker 2 (51:02):
It wasn't in Vero Beach. He never wrestled at Vero Beach.
This was at the John Carroll High School Gym in
Fort Pierce, Florida. Okay, Now I don't know much about Florida.
I don't know if that's like near Vero Beach. I
don't give a fuck. It wasn't in Vero Beach. So
it's like a real story is also full of holes.
But we do need to acquaint ourselves briefly with Don

(51:22):
Soeron because he passed away in twenty twenty one, and
he was definitely one of those unsung hero guys. Not
to say he made a huge impact on the business
or anything, but the territories where he worked, he was
very much an important part of the card. He was,
you know, a play for the Latin American audience. He
was presented. According to some clippings, I was looking at
his equal parts Mexican and Puerto Rican wrestler. Throughout the
course of his life, worked Texas, worked Florida, of course,

(51:45):
for years and years, including underneath Anygraham in main events
throughout the late sixties into the seventies and come nineteen
and seventy seven. He's one of those, you know, stalwart
in house guys for a roster that was really small.
Florida didn't carry a lot of guys that were considered
full time. It was kind of like Saint Louis in
that regard, big, big time names came through, particularly from
New York all the time, so it's not like they

(52:06):
were stale in terms of talent, but people who considered
themselves full time assigned to Florida was really that small
crew of those Tampa jocks, you know, the Steve Karns,
the Brian Blairs, and even Brian left the territory to
get experience elsewhere pretty quickly, Mike Graham, Dick Slater and
many others, Dusty when he came down, and all his
pals from Minneapolis as well. But suffice to say, they

(52:30):
did have these guys that you would put in there
with whoever was coming through and give them a good match,
people that the crowd, you know, would know because they
were just there forever but never won. And by the
time the late seventies world around, that definitely was Don
Serrano visa via Championship Wrestling from Florida. So just to
get an overview of who this first opponent of Terry
Buleya ever was, we turned to Greg Oliver, the terrific

(52:51):
wrestler wrestling writer at Slam Wrestling, who in February of
twenty twenty one, penned the following obituary for Don Serrano.

Speaker 3 (52:57):
Boss Hector. Don Serrano, a longtime pro wrestler and occasional promoter,
has died. His name was not on the top of
the cart often, but that did not mean that he
didn't have talent. He did oodles of it. As his
peers related. The late Michelle le Justice Dubois faced Serrano
early in his own career in and around Montreal and

(53:19):
Puerto Rico. Don Serrano quote. Don Serrano was a very
very good little worker. If he was six inches taller,
he would have been a great star, Dubois Michael Michelle
LaMarche said in twenty eleven. He did what he could do.
He was a great wrestler. The five seven and twenty
pounds Serrano was from Puerto Rico and split time between

(53:42):
his mother in New York City and his father in
Puerto Rico. On occasion, Serrano was billed as a brother
to Pedro Morales, though there was no relation. I know
that a young Don Serrano, that's the photo. His name
comes up in promotions else everywhere, from Florida to Calgary
Stampede wrestling, from Montreal to Texas. Quote. I first worked

(54:04):
for with Don Serrano on Cleve in Cleveland, oh on Cleveland,
Ohio TV back in seventy two seventy three. Kind Of
kind of on the small side, but a great worker,
said Jim Lancaster. Okay, he's small, get it. I know
everyone has to say that. Yep, roch Okay, Oh it's

(54:24):
gonna be I guess a picture of him. Roger's Muir quote.
I wrestled Don Serrano a million times. He was a
great guy and we always had good matches, noted Irish
Davy o'hannan in a Facebook post. A respected worker. Serranto
was Canadian Junior heavyweight champion out of Montreal and a
Caribbean tag team champ. His biggest run came in seventy
three seventy four and Gunkle's All Star Wrestling Association, where

(54:48):
Serrano wrestled as Super Soul Davis. His manager was rock Hunter,
and he had a feud with Ray Candy. Okay, Ray Candy,
Super Soul Davis, rock Hunter, Ray Candy not delicious. I mean,
I mean, what is that the rock Hunter? It sounds

(55:10):
like what the Dwayne and paula vec tag team would
have been. Yeah, pretty much. Yeah, Serrano was also Hulkogan's
first opponent as the young Terry Blea was learning the ropes.
In August nineteen seventy seven, longtime Houston based referee Tommy
Fushie knew Serrano for years. Fushie traveled with Serrano to
the Caribbean islands. Quote he used to promote wrestling. I

(55:32):
never did make much out of it, but I didn't
care about making any money because he had connections to
go to all these islands for these shows ad referee
and make fifty bucks and it was a vacation for me.
Fushie figured they went to six or seven islands over
the span of a few years. Serrano was married to
a woman wrestler, the Mexican spitfire, Olga Martinez, who worked

(55:56):
for about a half dozen years. They had two sons
and Serrans, and called Houston, Texas home. Martinez was a hairstylist,
Sirrans Serrans. Mike Serrano wrestled for a short while and
Hector born in North Bay, Ontario, while his father was
wrestling for the Casaboskis. Who now, oh everybody knows, Oh yeah,

(56:20):
of course, sorry. It just makes me look how fucking
limited my knowledge is the Casa. Boskis became a well
known musician in a band named hes Oga Martinez and
oh that's photo U. Surrano did his best through the
years to stay connected, said Nick Kosek. I called him,
I call him the newsman. He keeps in touch with

(56:41):
everybody on Facebook. Dottie Curtis, the widow of Jacksonville, Florida
promoter Don Curtis, noted quote the passing of one of
nature's true gentlemen, Don Serrano, a friend for many years.
No further details of Serrano's death or funeral are known
at this time.

Speaker 2 (57:00):
So the batch was August ninth, nineteen seventy seven.

Speaker 3 (57:05):
I think he was an.

Speaker 2 (57:05):
August eleventh birthday, so that was he died around his birthday.
He had his first match around his birthday. It's a
lot to be said for for the Holtster around that
time of year. And he's going to give it a try,
and he's going to give it a try as Super Destroyer.
Of course, I'm here to tell you that there is
no footage that survives or perhaps that ever existed, or

(57:30):
or at least that we know of, at least that
we know of. That's right of Hulk Hogan. Of course,
someone's fucking VHS collection. The thing is, these weren't TV tapings. Yeah,
That's where Briscoe is quick to point out spot shows
where you gave guys outside of the glare of the
camera a chance to work out some of the you know,
kinks and not spoil themselves before the entire territorial audience

(57:53):
on television. And so as part of that, another thing
that you often did was put newcomers under a mask
so that as they worked out there clumsiness, the wrestling
fans didn't associate a face with that clumsiness. You could
always take the mask off.

Speaker 3 (58:08):
That's a good call. That's a very good call.

Speaker 2 (58:10):
They never thought of that, and get that fresh coat
of paint, you see their boss. I've just sent you
a couple of pictures that survived.

Speaker 3 (58:16):
Cato never improved, huh enough to take the mask off.

Speaker 2 (58:19):
That's the only thing we can assume. I've sent you
a couple of pictures. These were some publicity photos that
I think the wrestling magazines took. Some of these surfaced
when ww started putting together their tribute packages to Hull
Cogan upon his death this year. So there are pictures
of Terry in a black singlet with you know, that
thin kind of Zveldt build that we saw from that

(58:40):
training footage, the almost shoulder length hair just beneath the
jaw line, hair that he cut down substantially so the
hero Matsuda wouldn't call him hippie or whatever the fuck.
And then that same singlet on a guy with a
black mask looking like, Yes, although, do you notice something here?
There's something that I've never really noticed before from Hogan
from this period. Not only does he have the handle
bar mustache, but he has got a soule patch right

(59:03):
underneath the middle of his body. That is a coritical observation.
What do you know about the soul patch?

Speaker 10 (59:09):
Right?

Speaker 3 (59:09):
Well, yeah, I mean what I mean, that's such a
I mean to me, that feels like such a seventies move. Yes,
you know, to have that that look, I mean in
the handle our mustache alone fucking does that. Like, it's
kind of amazing that that that he that that that
he survived with that fucking look forever.

Speaker 2 (59:31):
It was so it was so clutch because the mustache
doesn't thin like the hairline does, right, It brings it
brings the eye to his the lower part of his
face instead of the top part of his head. Yes,
whereas like with John Cena, all you can do is
look at the top of his head.

Speaker 4 (59:45):
I know.

Speaker 3 (59:46):
It's such a funny thing. Like you know, like when
you consider especially okay, you consider the John Cena look,
you consider the look this this kind of goody two
shoes look that they that they the that WW was
always going for. It's kind of funny because whole Cogan
is the exact opposite of that look. Yes, bald with

(01:00:08):
the scullet handlebar mustache, like he's the he's the last
thing you would consider to be clean cut. Yes, you
know that's t look. You know, that was the vinctick
man look that he needed.

Speaker 2 (01:00:22):
Everywhere he went. He went in gym clothes and ripped
off T shirts like he was in a suit all
the time running this up right bullshit. They came up
with what the leading guy has to be in public
and on the talk shows and everything. He had a
bandan on his whole fucking life, even in a court
of law, even when testifying in federal trials. Like come on, folks,
but look closely as well at how half committed he

(01:00:45):
is to the bleach blondness. The top is bleached, but
the hairline is black. The sideburns are dark, the eyebrows
are dark. I don't think he ever died his eyebrows,
but they stand out more here. And the mustache, critically,
the mustache is.

Speaker 3 (01:00:58):
He did die his eyebrows at something like and like
I think eighty five. I mean I do remember that,
but yeah, like the the mustache is dark, like yeah,
it's kind of crazy. It makes you, I mean, it
makes you wonder why everyone makes such a fucking big
deal out of the painted on beard, Like, no, that's
actually his real hair color. Yeah, I know, you know
nwol Like, no, that's actually probably as real as real

(01:01:19):
as his hair color can be. It's it's you see, Terry.
You see a bolet here much more than you see
a absolutely letice Beach class. I see a bow lea
Is that what you say? That's what I see.

Speaker 2 (01:01:31):
And then they put the domin the fucking Dungeon mask
on him, you know, I know, just like every mask
every wrestler has worn since nineteen twenty one, you know
exactly he wore a super Destroyer and we don't have
there's some stills of questionable vintage in terms of like,
is this exactly his first few matches in seventy seven,

(01:01:53):
But I I haven't seen more than one or two
pictures of him in the ring with the hood on.
There is one that's in Brian Blair book and elsewhere
of him applying aside headlock with the black mask on
inside a wrestling ring against Brian Blair. It looks precisely
like the picture you're seeing there in terms of the
nature of the mask and such, but it's not on film.
It purposely wasn't on film. And what blows my mind

(01:02:15):
is that Brian Blair talks so much about being his
first match against Hogan. He was on the card where
hull Cogan wrestled down Ze Rano wrestling Tony Rocco. Wow,
look at headliner Jack Briscoe versus pat Patterson, which tracks
because we saw how closely associated Patterson was with the
office at the time, not only assistant booking underneath Johnny Valentine,
but getting into the sport attornium and helping training guys

(01:02:37):
including hul Cogan. You know, he throws that big dropkick
in that clip that survived of Terry Bullay a training
for the ring after returning from that injury, and so
we know Patterson was involved, and you know, Hogan has
the whole story about how you got to blow me
and all that, and Patterson is part of the atmosphere
at Florida.

Speaker 3 (01:02:54):
At the time.

Speaker 2 (01:02:56):
But the Johnny Valentine point is an important one because
Briscoe brings up a lot. Think it's brought up very much.
This is a Johnny Valentine who had been paralyzed for
life and had his entering wrestling career ended in that
plane crash in North Carolina, and so he's done. And
Eddie Graham, who used Johnny Valentine to great success for
years and years, really, according to Jerry Briscoe, kind of
felt bad for the guy that wanted to give him

(01:03:17):
a way to continue to earn a living in the
business if he couldn't wrestle, so gave him the book
in Florida. Now, you know, Edie Graham is always the
booker if he's owning, if he's owning Florida, Eddie Graham
is the ultimate decision maker. But you know, much like
George Scott was Vince's booker and others, Vince Russo whatever,
Vince's booker, you know, you do you do need somebody
to kind of do the x's and o's of the
whole thing. And that was Johnny Valentine. And according to Briscoe,

(01:03:38):
Johnny Valentine just saw nothing. And in Terry Bolao he
didn't see because he doesn't he doesn't fit what Florida
had made money with for years and years and years. Sure,
and he didn't see anything in him.

Speaker 3 (01:03:49):
And it's it's not.

Speaker 2 (01:03:49):
Unlike what happened to Holk when he went to Georgia
for that time when Olie Anderson was booking.

Speaker 3 (01:03:53):
I was going to say that that reminded reminds me
of Olie a little bit, so.

Speaker 2 (01:03:57):
That we're gonna go through a lot of that in
Terry Bulay's earliest year, including what he really discovers the
you know, the good stuff and fills out tremendously and
looks like, you know, six million dollars walking around. Still
there are promoters who have who know how to make
money in their territory with their wrestlers and their fans
that don't see where a guy that looks like Hulk
and has the limited in ring skill set and background

(01:04:18):
of Hulk but has the charisma of Hulk really fits in,
and it's like it reminds me a lot of Goldberg
in a lot of ways in ninety seven, where it's
like people going absolutely nuts with this guy. He turns
heads everywhere he goes. But he didn't come up in
the business learning how to wrestle.

Speaker 3 (01:04:33):
So we what are we going to do?

Speaker 2 (01:04:35):
Just turn the entire personality of the company over to
this guy and build around him because he's super charismatic.
Of course, the answer is yes. The answer is yes,
if you know how to you know, make money besides
repeating something you've done six million times, if you know
how to actually graduate your understanding of what makes money
and wrestling, yes, that's exactly what you do. But it

(01:04:57):
makes a lot of sense for the first real decade,
hul Kogan interurirable. I found no promoter that was like,
you know what we can We need to rebuild what
it is people come to the matches for because of
what this guy's doing in that ring, instead of trying
to force him into a category that he won't fit
as far as being an.

Speaker 3 (01:05:12):
Ent ring wrestler. Right, it's I mean, talk about like
shooting yourself in your foot because it's like, well, no,
I mean listen. I would. I'd push him to the
moon if he could work our style, but he can't,
so I don't know. I mean, yeah, sure, I guess
he's gonna make money, but not here. He ain't.

Speaker 2 (01:05:28):
And they're probably worried that he's so much bigger than
the guys that they draw with that if they put
him in there, it's going to really strain credulity to
the audience to keep their smaller guys over against a
guy of that size. Because if there's one thing we
know about the mentality of the wrestling fan, particularly back then,
size makes a huge difference. And people were so convinced
before UFC that the bigger guy would always.

Speaker 3 (01:05:49):
Kick ass if you book if you book it properly, though,
you can always have a David and Goliath match up.

Speaker 2 (01:05:55):
Yeah, it's more than they were willing to entertain it.

Speaker 3 (01:05:58):
I never understand that, just weird thing, like you can
always make a David that that actually makes it more
interesting if because the odds are against one person.

Speaker 2 (01:06:10):
They're pushing more like in the direction of like an Andre,
you know, like, if this guy's gonna have a spot
in the business, it's gonna be this touring special attraction
one off, come see the Hulp. It's not going to
be some guy that actually wins our world title and
tours all of our cities and sells out all of
our buildings. He's going to be someone that we have
for a little while. This guy has for a little while.
That's clearly where they saw Hulk, because you know, Florida
understood big guys. They understood New York was the big

(01:06:32):
guy territory, and they understood how big guys were used
up there, and it's not how big guys were used
anywhere else in the United States at that point in time.
And it's it's it's fascinating. It's fascinating to see Hulk,
even in the earliest days, be put into a category
of someone that doesn't really fit here, even though everyone
talks about how much he you know, you heard in

(01:06:53):
that clip from Jerry Briscoe there, how much he's turning
heads the second he walks through the curtain for the
first time, and he also says, does Jerry that that
was his Terry We booked him as Terry Bullay in
Vero Beach. I don't know he I mean no, I mean,
he's super destroyer here. Everyone talks about it. There's contemporaneous
newspaper coverage of this show that says he was super destroyer.
So there are points early in this you know, formative run.

(01:07:15):
This is this earliest run of Terry Blay in Florida
that he does wrestle as Terry Boleyo. I mean it's there,
but it's not here, sure, So we'll talk here more
about the mask. This is Brisco talking about some of
the tenants that I just outlined there as to why
to put Terry Boleya under a mask here in nineteen
seventy seven.

Speaker 7 (01:07:31):
Oh, they got to the point where we're beating this guy,
but we don't want people to know who he is.
Like putting a mask on a six foot seven guy
with blown blonde hair sticking out from underneither they're not
going to know who he isn't in this body that
he has, you know, that's how naive really were. So
we'll put him under a mask, and then when we're
really to really do something, people won't remember he was

(01:07:53):
the guy that we get in the hell beat out.
So we're starting to protect him Valentine or anything. But
through my brother and I and through us talking to
Andy Graham and Eddie really thank you all. Well, let's
put him under a mask. You don't have a hide
him out, you know, and when we're ready with him,
we can pull a mask off and yeah, I think
be and whatever he was gonna be.

Speaker 3 (01:08:16):
There it is where you're gonna be.

Speaker 2 (01:08:19):
Yeah, So, uh, you know, a charitable reading, maybe that's true.

Speaker 4 (01:08:24):
I'm not.

Speaker 2 (01:08:24):
I don't think it's untrue that, you know, if you
saw something and a guy, you put the mask on
him so that the fans didn't prejudge him. But the
way they dealt with him after this Florida the Office
doesn't really tell me that they were that they saw
a lot that they wanted to capitalize on themselves, maybe
that they thought other promoters could capitalize on.

Speaker 3 (01:08:43):
But they don't.

Speaker 2 (01:08:44):
They don't take the steps that you would take to
follow through on that initial idea of why you put
him under the hood and then get to a point
where they take the hood off of him and and
run him on the circuit. They get they get to
a point where they want to actually send him away
from Florida, And to me, that kind it doesn't jibe
with the idea that we need to protect them from
Florida fans because when the hood comes off, we can

(01:09:05):
run with them if they then try to ship him
out to another territory, which, as we'll get to frustrates
Terry quite a bit and creates quite a hiccup and
detour in his progression as the world's most famous pro wrestler.
So there's the justification on the hood, and you know,
make whatever conclusions you want from there. But as we go,
I'm going to question this idea that they felt they

(01:09:26):
had something to protect. So maybe maybe they just didn't
want the embarrassment of putting someone out there.

Speaker 3 (01:09:32):
I mean, I mean that I was gonna say like that,
that to me seems more likely in that if we
put them under a mask, they'll never know who it is,
and and we don't, you know, we're we're kind of
safe too, because then we don't we don't have to
worry about ever. You guys fucking hired Terry. But let
that guy was a fucking loser who do terrible? We

(01:09:53):
fucking yeah, we had the maskcot I don't know who
you're talking about. Terrible.

Speaker 2 (01:09:57):
I like that's pretty good, yeah, because you get from
this small town Tampa mindset, you know, you gotta remember that.
But I want you to take a look at something, boss.
This is what our friend Matt was able to dig
up from some boy archives and and a great book
that lists Florida territorial results through the years, and deeply
researched the results. This is a poster from the show
at the John Carroll High School Gym Tuesday, August night,

(01:10:18):
John Carroll Lynch High School, John Carroll, Carroll, Lynch. See
the matches listed there, yes, tell me, uh, tell me
what you notice? Oh boy, I see Brian Blair versus
Tony Rocco. I see Jerry Brisco versus Buddy Roberts. I
see Charlie Cook versus Tony Marino. I see Jack Brisco

(01:10:38):
versus Pat Patterson. And I see Don Serrano versus Wolfman Smith.

Speaker 3 (01:10:47):
Hmmm, that's very interesting. I don't see I don't see
super Destroyer or masked wrestler or whatever the fuck. So
how about this? Uh huh? This is from a.

Speaker 2 (01:11:02):
Paper out out there. Don't you read that to the people.
This is from August tenth, seventy seven, the day after
the show.

Speaker 3 (01:11:08):
Okay, Brisco's triumph over foes. The Briscoes came out of
Tuesday Nights pro Wrestling card at John Carroll's Gym, victorious
as Jerry beat Buddy Roberts while Jack stopped Pat Patterson.
Another action, Brian Blair took a win over Tony Rocco.
Don Serrano defeated Super Destroyer, who replaced no show wolf

(01:11:35):
Man Smith and Charlie Cook and Tony Marino battled to
a draw. Carol's Athletic director Clyde Russ Let's wave with
a large crowd at Large Share, we had over six
hundred and fifty people, great big crowd for a for
a wrestling show at John Carroll's.

Speaker 2 (01:11:56):
So Terry bowley Is first match was not architected like that.
He was a substitution for a no show.

Speaker 3 (01:12:06):
I guess would put in Bowlea all right, I guess, well,
wolf Man didn't show up, Jack got to put in
Bowlia and Bristow.

Speaker 2 (01:12:14):
Never talks about this when he tells a story, and
as you just heard, he was on the card himself
as well. He never talks about the idea that Terry
was put out before the people because someone else didn't
show up, And I just find fascinating to me it
lends further credence to the idea that they had no
real design on the sky, not at all, no way,
because if you have high hopes for this guy, if
you want to carefully manage and get him out there

(01:12:36):
and get experience, I mean, I don't know, maybe just
happen to be there and you you're good enough. I
wonder if he was even going to be put under
the hood. Probably he was, because there's these felicity photos
ahead of time. But I can just I can't imagine
why it's not a huge part of Hogan lore that
there was this scramble at the show to replace wolf
Man Smith and they threw him out there. Like why
he wouldn't remember that? Because to me, that's like the

(01:12:59):
ultimate whole time his story. Brother, first match, I don't even.

Speaker 3 (01:13:01):
Know, yeah, right, I mean that is in a way,
in a weird way, that's kind of that plays into
the whole Well, brother, I didn't even know I was
going out there. And also they throw me out theren't
even know it's fake, dude, I don't know, my muscles
were kind of fake, so geraloid from so I mean,
I don't know, that's insane, No, I mean that that

(01:13:21):
that I mean my instinct, right, there. My gut is
telling me that, right, I mean, they're just saving their face.
They're just saving face.

Speaker 2 (01:13:29):
Yeah, now you know there, knowing how big of a
deal he became, knowing how big deal he became, and like,
you know, if it I mean because it makes them
I mean, honestly, you don't even saving face. It makes
them look like they're fucking heroes. Yes, it does, because
we discovered Hulk Hogan. Everyone, right, that's the thing about
those that generations. Man, I discovered hul Kogan, mister MacMahon,

(01:13:53):
And they tell it as like the sort of like gregarious,
we were, we were so you know, impressed, and we
were so happy to help facilitate this. But really what
it is is it's thanks to me, like thanks to
me that this happened, you know, or at least without
me it wouldn't have happened, is to the degree that
it did. That's what you always have to keep in
mind when the old time wrestler is telling a story,

(01:14:14):
is his first goal is to make himself an indispensable
part of someone else's success in the telling of the story.
At least now I'm not suggesting that he didn't have
a big part and talking to Hulk at the other
place and talking about, you know, the wrestling business of
what it would take to get into it and all
of that, and setting them up with a pair of

(01:14:34):
boots and with Matt Suda and Eddie Graham and all
of that. I'm not saying that didn't happen, but I
do think that the half hazard nature of these earliest
matches do not suggest an office that sees a tremendous
amount in the sky. Okay, and Hulk himself would say
the same thing. I want to ask you a question, boss, Yeah,

(01:14:55):
if you're going to send Hulk Goggin out there for
the first time, is super Destroyer?

Speaker 3 (01:14:58):
I have no idea. What is move set?

Speaker 2 (01:15:00):
Is his finishers? He's no time to season. This is
the very first time out there, and it's it's in
this this sort of harried replacement situation.

Speaker 3 (01:15:08):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:15:08):
Would you look around, look what's my finish? I don't
know what what what is your finish? I have no idea, Like,
I don't even know what to come up with. You
want to click the link I just sent you, which
is Oh Boy. The Online World of Wrestling's biography of
Wolfman Smith, who also wrestled as John Smith and as
we'll get too many others. I want you to tell
me what Wolfman Smith's finish. Holy shit, what do you see?

Speaker 3 (01:15:32):
Leg drop? Brother? Could it be?

Speaker 6 (01:15:35):
Wow?

Speaker 3 (01:15:37):
Could it be? Well, I'll tell you what. We go
out there. You just do the thing, you know, just
wrestle lock. You might as well just people are expecting
Wolfman Smith. Just go out there and wrestle like wolf
Man Smith. He does drop? Do we do? Do DoD
anyone teach you did Matt So to teach you how
to do a leg drop? What he broke my leg? Dude,

(01:15:58):
and I want to drop my leg? Brother, Well that's
the way it's gotta be. You gotta wrestle like Wolfman.
If you don't wrestle like Wolfman Smith, you're fired and
we're gonna kick your out break your leg again. You
get out there, you drop legs or to a lateral drop?

Speaker 1 (01:16:12):
What?

Speaker 3 (01:16:17):
Just get the fuck out there, bitch.

Speaker 2 (01:16:20):
And there he goes what I like to imagine with
the leg drop instructions, maybe even goes for the leg
drop and misses it during the course of the match.
Isn't that something to think about? I mean, also, wolf
Man Smith looking like one of the fucking vashions here.

Speaker 3 (01:16:34):
Absolutely he does.

Speaker 2 (01:16:36):
Absolutely he does, and he kind of played he kind
of played along those lines in terms of in terms
of his history, he was known as Soldat Gorky, a
Russian heel throughout most of his career, That's the name
he was known most for, including in the Portland wrestling circuit.
He was he was a Canadian, and of course he

(01:16:59):
was right and wrestled as many names good the Alaskan
Wolfman John Smith throughout Florida starting as early as the
late forties and was obviously still i don't know, still
being booked in seventy seven, not showing up though, working

(01:17:19):
territories around the country and around North America. Really had
regular runs in Vancouver and Seattle, and adopted the name
sold At Gorky when he was up in the Washington
Pacific Northwest territory, and he would play, you know, a
typical Russian heel, teaming with other Russians to.

Speaker 3 (01:17:42):
To you know, bring the.

Speaker 2 (01:17:43):
Cold War to these motherfuckers. And yeah, wrestled pretty much
on those circuits. But here had landed in Tampa by
this point in time, and he did a lot of
teaming with Kurt von Poppenheim, who was another kind of
German heel and he im pretty sure Kurt von Poppenheim
got involved down in Florida with Boris Malenko's school, the

(01:18:05):
father of Dean Malinko, and was around that circuit quite
a bit as well, and they had a school, so
it kind of tracks in terms of getting him down
to Florida and placing him there. He worked for Stu
Hart and Stampede as well, did Wolfman Smith, winning the
Canadian tag team titles at one point with Dave Rule,
and trained many wrestlers as well throughout the course of

(01:18:26):
his time in the wrestling business. So Wolfman Smith apparently
a hugely important part of Hull Coggin's story because he
didn't show up and out Terry Bully goes for the
first time to hear that bell sound before a live crowd,
and it is the complete Hull Cogan and so any
cross current, be it a childhood friend, be it, I

(01:18:46):
don't know, some some random sideshow occurrence, be it some
first husband of his mother. You know, we're going to
pin it down. We're going to know the dossier on
anybody who had anything to do with dictating the course
wittingly or unwittingly of Hulk Cogan's life in Times. And
so here's a little piece that ran down in the

(01:19:08):
Tampa newspapers. I just sent it to you, boss. That
gets us well acquainted with Wolfman Smith, the guy who
no show to the show that put Hulk in the
ring for the first time.

Speaker 3 (01:19:18):
Let me see here here we go. Oh did you
email to me? Sure? Did? Okay?

Speaker 2 (01:19:25):
There we go from the Tampa Times nineteen seventy six.
So the year before, just.

Speaker 3 (01:19:29):
Got a Golden Steer email. What's going on and related news? Yeah,
you look up there first of all. See I'm still
waiting for their fucking their New York drop here, you know. Yeah,
that's a long time coming, follow twenty twenty five. Still,
but they're not giving me a date.

Speaker 2 (01:19:43):
They're steering you on the wrong course.

Speaker 3 (01:19:45):
Ah damn. Right, come on, I want to I want
to be there when it fucking opens. Anyway, all right,
here we go, Wolfman be Wolfman un here. Look at him.
He looks just like fucking mad Dog, he really does.
And mother fuck, he's playing the fiddle. The fuck's wrong

(01:20:08):
with him?

Speaker 2 (01:20:08):
Get a bar down there in Tampa.

Speaker 3 (01:20:10):
That's wild. He doesn't even need a bouncer. By Dale Wilson.
If you ever go into the Holiday Bar on Waters
Avenue some Friday night, don't try to pick a fight
with the bartender. Don't even think of arm wrestling him.
You'll lose. The bartender is Wolfman Jack Smith John Smith.

(01:20:31):
Jesus Christ, I'm losing my mind. Wolfman John Smith a
professional wrestler whose specialty is butting his shaved head against
an opponent until the poor man is knocked almost senseless.
He's a man whose grip is almost as strong as
Elmer's glue, and one who stands for no foolishness when
he's around. Quote uh, I don't know what he sounds. Well,

(01:20:55):
this used to be a pretty big, pretty rough bar
three years ago when I first bought it, but things
quieted down when I took over. One of the first
things I did was to ban the former bartender from
the place. Yes, Smith said, puffing on a big black cigar.
Trouble makers are few and far between in the Holiday Bar.

(01:21:17):
When they see the size of me, they know better
than to start something. The two hundred and thirty five
pound barrel chested wrestlers said they think twice before they
do anything. Oh sorry, here we go, but anything Twice
before they do anything, he says in a deep gruff voice. Okay,
but if you play the fiddle or the guitar and

(01:21:39):
can sing a country tune, step right in, you're as
welcome as can be the original karaoke Yeah right, exactly,
Who wants to start trouble when there's so much good
country music around, especially with the Wolfman himself.

Speaker 2 (01:21:52):
He didn't didn't just to take Wolfman's place on that card.
He took Wolfman's business plan as.

Speaker 3 (01:21:57):
Well, You damn fucking right. Maybe he took the same
actual maybe almost bought the bar or two for that matter.
Anytime of the day or night, Smith is liable to
grab his trusty old violin and bow, pat his right
foot once or twice on the floor, and start sawing
out a squeaky solo that would put any competent country
fiddler down in shame. Why it was only last week

(01:22:21):
Smith said that his longtime grappling buddy, the Missouri Maller,
came by for a quick glass of SuDS and ended
up staying half the night singing his heart out.

Speaker 2 (01:22:30):
Maller was a big heel back then, attacking dusty and
stuff on Florida TV.

Speaker 3 (01:22:35):
He's got a beautiful voyage me. I don't carry a
tune at all. Smith says. It seems that one of
his restling opponents a while back gave him a hard
knee stop in the throat, and Smith has sounded like
a horse bulldog ever since. Huh, what does he know
any other geer than horse? He'd rather let people let

(01:22:58):
the maller do the singing honor. The giant, a seven
foot four giant of a wrestler who can throw a
man out of the ring easier than you can sail
a paper plane across the room, also comes by, but
he doesn't sing much. What do you know? What do
you know about my ability to sail a paper plane
across it? Exactly? For some shit man? Right, it could
be for all you and I could be a gold

(01:23:18):
medalist in paper planes and throwing fucker Dale will highlight paper,
fly highlight paper? Huh?

Speaker 2 (01:23:28):
And I'm trying to do a lyric book forgot a
fly highlight paper? Get high like planes?

Speaker 3 (01:23:32):
Yes, there we go. Oh he claps a lot, though.
Wolf Man said Smith's Holiday bar, located off Florida Avenue
in North Tampa, is not hard to spot. It's one.
It's the one that has a twenty foot long sign
hung right across the top with the Wolfman's picture, shaved head,
familiar beard and mustache, and wrestler ready stands painted on it.

(01:23:52):
Inside there are scores and photographs of all the famous wrestlers,
Dusty Roads, Terry Funk, Thunderbolt Patterson the Great, my.

Speaker 2 (01:24:02):
Early opponent of Terry's, as well as we'll get to.

Speaker 3 (01:24:04):
All right, Haystacks Calhoun, the Mongolian Stomper, and others plaster
on the walls. The wolf Man is all, oh, we'll
go Mongolian stopping. Wait a minute, isn't that we are
chie Goldie? Oh okay, not not all I was thinking of?
Who am I thinking of?

Speaker 11 (01:24:18):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (01:24:20):
Different Mongolian stomper? My bad uh Nils Allen Stewart. Oh sure,
the next the new Mongolian stomper? More like starring in
star starring in the Jesse Ventura movie. And uh, what
do we just do? We just did something with him
the cinemat yep. Oh ship, I forgot what we did

(01:24:41):
with him. Oh, I know the time crappy movie there,
the Time movie with Heenan and Jane. Oh, yeah, yeah,
that awful piece of ship. Horrible with your with your
with your good buddy, you know you're best friend. This
is an example of a Dutch tingle.

Speaker 2 (01:24:57):
Because of the canton angle of the camera, it remains
interesting to watch.

Speaker 3 (01:25:01):
Hey, this is just lesson, man, it remains interesting to watch.

Speaker 2 (01:25:05):
You don't know what that's about. Like, you gotta listen
to this episode of Under the Cinema. It's like it
just takes us to a whole different level of aggravation.

Speaker 3 (01:25:15):
There is there is. I mean, you know I should
talk because you know, here I am, what movie have
I directed? But man, sometimes you know, digging up these
directors and you just find out what fucking hacks they are.
There's absolute hacks, really unfucking believable. But again, you know,
they can say, yeah, how's your movie doing Dutch Dutch angle,

(01:25:35):
I'll say, I'll say it might be doing better than
the Smashing Machine. But that's ah fuck, I know it's
an art film. Everyone's saying, well, you know he's doing
it for rewards, doing to make money. Now you know what,
he still wanted to make money. Listen, he's hurting. He's hurting, Okay,
he's hurting. This week he's not answering calls, all right,

(01:25:57):
He's he's not happy right too. He's not happy. He's
not happy that Tata beat him out, all right, he
ain't happy about that.

Speaker 6 (01:26:07):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (01:26:08):
The wolf Man has his own picture in the revolving
Schlitz clock above the bar. If you couldn't picture this
bar before, Oh my god, that's brilliant. He's even been
known to pick up a broom and sweep the place
once in a while, but he doesn't do that often.
Oh great, okay, I can't wait to go. The hoots

(01:26:30):
and dollars from all his customers are too much, he says.
But when it comes to playing the violin, guitar, banjo,
ukulelea harmonica, the wolf Man is tops. He can even
whip out a knee kicking. It's allf This is where
my mind is. Okay, I keep saying, you can even
whip out his cock.

Speaker 2 (01:26:46):
Oh yeah, I've been coming up with a million of
those as you've been reading, keeping a lid on it.

Speaker 3 (01:26:52):
You can even whip out a knee kicking Russian poka
on the fiddle and add the words to the tune
to boot in Russian. No less, well, I speak none
different languages. I learned most of them while I was wrestling, niece,
Smith said. Old timers remember Smith as the wrestler who
starred with the Bowery Boys in the movie Go Ahead,

(01:27:15):
Go Ahead, No Holds Barred? What this is? Nineteen seven?

Speaker 11 (01:27:24):
What?

Speaker 3 (01:27:25):
Six? Okay? Huh? Hold on? Hold on? I got it now? Okay,
why all right?

Speaker 1 (01:27:34):
Hold on?

Speaker 3 (01:27:35):
Hold on? I know I gotta say this is now?
I am I am well. I mean also, it's not
even the closest, like Hogan's is not even the first.
I mean, there's there's one in fifty two. There's one
in nineteen eighty as well, so it's certainly a common name.
But I need to know that there's another No hold
nineteen fifty two. That's the one. Okay, that makes sense.
That's Nuteen fifty two one. So they were, well, look

(01:27:55):
at this.

Speaker 2 (01:27:56):
Huh oh, oh my god, I think we have our connection.

Speaker 3 (01:28:06):
I need to find this fucking movie. It's like, I
need to find this fucking movie. This is Oh my god,
I'm sure it's gotta be someplace.

Speaker 2 (01:28:15):
Holy sh The Bowery Boys in No Holds Barred. Wow,
a bunch of wrestlers in the fifties doing a monkey, flip.

Speaker 3 (01:28:26):
Shack acquires super strength, which the boys attempt to cash
in by turning them into a professional wrestler. Tremendous sounds
like money to me.

Speaker 2 (01:28:35):
So among the other many things that will unfurl over
the course of the complete whole code, holy shit, cinema
adjacency is going to be very strong, very strong.

Speaker 4 (01:28:44):
Yes.

Speaker 3 (01:28:45):
And in another film called Wrestling Queen that one I
know of, he and his brother Al Canadians by birth,
hold the longest tag team champion Al Smith. That's great.

Speaker 2 (01:28:56):
These guys are just marquis fucking John Smith and Al Smith.

Speaker 3 (01:29:02):
John and Al, the Smith brothers. Can I buy a ticket?
The Smith's I know hold the longest tag team championship
title in wrestling history seven years. It's not uncommon for
kids to walk into Wolfman's bar, tug on his sleeve
and ask for his autograph. He's now fifty four years

(01:29:23):
old and has been knocking heads professionally for the past
twenty nine years. I'm getting to the age, nour I
want to retire. You know, some of these younger guys
are getting too tough for me. When you get older,
you don't you don't have as much energy as the
other guy, he said, just because other wrestlers throng to
Smith's Holiday Bar for a draft beer, don't drop by

(01:29:45):
yourself just to bug them about last Tuesday night's matches. Yeah,
there's no shop talking here. This is a place where
a wrestler can come by and get away with the
forget away from the grind of the ring. That's one
thing about these guys. When they go someplace, they don't
want to talk about wrestling. They want to enjoy the evening.

(01:30:06):
When they leave that ring, they want to be left alone,
just like I want to be left alone in.

Speaker 6 (01:30:12):
My bar all the time.

Speaker 3 (01:30:14):
Don't come in custom I don't own this to sell liquor.
I own this to just be alone.

Speaker 2 (01:30:21):
I'm also having a Laundromats sign in the fucking window,
because that's what's going on in here.

Speaker 3 (01:30:25):
With money. I'm fucking right, Oh, it absolutely is. There's
let me tell you, there is no cleaner money than
in the Holiday Bar.

Speaker 2 (01:30:32):
I am kind of obsessed with Florida Championship Wrestling personnel
and talent having side businesses. I'm obsessed with Briscoe Brothers
body shop. I'm obsessed with here Matsuita's wrestling gear.

Speaker 3 (01:30:45):
Shot and everything school fucking weird ass little fucking things
that he does.

Speaker 2 (01:30:50):
I'm obsessed with that guy who made all the clothes
for Jimmy Hendrix and Macho Man and Hogan and his business.
And I'm obsessed with John Wolfman Smith's holiday bar us.
But if you're after an ear full of foot stomping music,
drop on by, says the Wolfman. Oh this is a
family bar, and you ought to see us when we
start jamming. What is Matt hill billie music? What's a

(01:31:13):
family bar? I know right, I mean kids drink free?
Well we you know, in our bar there is no
legal age. I see, I've seen, I've had observed babies.
Some bard liquor wasn't necessary.

Speaker 3 (01:31:31):
Oh shit that We'll leave that one there. Holy ship,
look at that picture.

Speaker 2 (01:31:38):
There's a big courtesy of the homie Matt of the
exterior one nineteen what is.

Speaker 3 (01:31:42):
It nineteen West Waters Waters. Yeah, it looks like that.
That picture of him on top of that sign of
holiday bar looks like one that's on a on a
on a w W ice cream. It's just there.

Speaker 2 (01:31:59):
I'm in a pair of trunks and this is John
Wolfman Smith on the marquee. Next to the Coca Cola sign.
Oh man, the seventies in Tampa or the sixties where
that's from.

Speaker 3 (01:32:08):
Yep, that's insane.

Speaker 2 (01:32:11):
So that was the guy who didn't show up for
the match that caused Terry Boleya to hit the ring
for a live crowd for the first time back in
nineteen seventy seven. And since there are so few who
would call how that one would have played out, we
defer to Jerry Brisco once again. Here he is talking
to Brad Baluccian about how the match between Terry Boleya
Super Destroyer and Don Serno played out.

Speaker 7 (01:32:33):
Don Don goes to the ring first, of course, and
in this corner, you know, weighing three hundred and twenty
five pounds, whatever the heck he was, Terry Boleya. Terry
comes once again, I said, he comes out, and then
once again he's got that fool head of bond here
and he's always been. He just looks like ten million dollars, right,

(01:32:54):
I mean, oh my god, he just looks different than
everybody on the car.

Speaker 12 (01:32:58):
Did he have any kind of gimmick or he had
a T shirt and a pair of tights and a
pair of boots that my brother bought him. Yeah, my
brother bought him his first pair of boots. Was he
working as a baby face or he and was working
as a heel kind of a tweeter? Yeah, okay, don
Don was a baby face heel, so he was working
a kind of a tweeter. But since he was so

(01:33:19):
big and everything, he was a heel and Don Don
was an average size guy. So he comes, he comes
through that doorway there, and and the old armories that
we worked, we had those rope staunch and jail rope
and I don't know, the old seaman had a dispair
of tires, you know with a pole pole.

Speaker 4 (01:33:37):
Well beach and at Vero Beach. That's how big is
the house? Do you think I'd say? Once again it's
a max house that sold out, cause in a couple
of thousand, No, and I sold out.

Speaker 7 (01:33:48):
And then I, like I said before it and these
house shows where we put these guys, they were in
these spots shows.

Speaker 4 (01:33:55):
They were MAX people in these small armories maybe six.

Speaker 7 (01:33:58):
Seven hundred right, okay, but it was packed house one
on was between five and seven hundred people.

Speaker 4 (01:34:04):
The shirt okay, so he's he opens that door and
he walks out. Well, we got two security.

Speaker 7 (01:34:11):
Guys that walk out with the with the bad guy.
Oh even back in those they've always had two security guys,
one in front, one in back. Well, Terry pops through
that door and he makes those security guys look like midgets,
you know, and you know, everybody, you could just you
could just hear the ooo and there, you know, And
Terry got one of those skin tight T shirts on

(01:34:33):
and he's as ten as possive. It looks like he
just come off the off the beach after setting out
to him for twelve hours, and he he looked fantastic.
Walks to the ring by tom he's walking to the ring.
The entire six seven hundred people want every that are
on their feet and now they're cheering this guy. Never

(01:34:54):
before seeing him, didn't know who in hell Terry Boley was.
Didn't have a clue about this guy. But they're all
her feet, sharing the holy heck out of out of Terry.
Terry gets to the ring and they got a standing
ovation on the very first entrance, very first master and
in the business and of d D D Albell right race, Well,

(01:35:16):
this is where it kind of kicks. And Terry don't
know crap, you know, I mean and Don Don likes.
Don's that guy, that master technician that we put him
with to take.

Speaker 4 (01:35:24):
Care of him.

Speaker 7 (01:35:25):
So Don grabs him, grabs him, grab a headlock. So
Terry grabs a headlock, and you can almost hear Don tighter, tighter, tighter,
cause everybody in the back stage was ribbon Terry abt.
Don't hurt this guy. Don't hurt if he hurt the
first guy, you'll never get another. Master Terry is from
the from the old timer. He feed him all this
crap in the in the back. He's terrified, you know

(01:35:47):
that he's gonna be too strong for Don and hurt him. Well,
Don's a big muscular guy, small but muscular as hell.
So you can almost hear Don tighter, tighter, tighter, and
you almost hear the people tighter tighter.

Speaker 4 (01:36:03):
But he gets to the match and he does a.

Speaker 7 (01:36:06):
Couple of little things and he just he doesn't do
anything Hogan ask wise, anything that tips off.

Speaker 4 (01:36:12):
You know, that's the Holgan that we know now. He
didn't do any of that stuff.

Speaker 7 (01:36:17):
He just kept it to the basic hadlock, armbar and
lake scissor and and sell a little bit and and
the Toronto Beaching one two three in the middle of
the ring. Boom, it's over Don Lee's and Terry's walking back. Damn,
people give him another standing ovation. Weird as hell. You
got your ass beat your first match and they're giving

(01:36:38):
you a standing ovation.

Speaker 4 (01:36:40):
He gets some batchel everybody's talking about, sees that money.

Speaker 7 (01:36:43):
Everybody's patting him on the back, even though the match
was the craps, but they way to go because he
had his posture and had demeanor during the match.

Speaker 4 (01:36:54):
Was one of somebody who had been in the ring.

Speaker 7 (01:36:56):
Well, it's somebody's a performer, and being in that band
probably help him worth that, you know, because you got
to perform on stage in a band too, So that
probably aid in in his in his advancement.

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Speaker 2 (01:38:32):
Yeah, they just fell in love with the guy in
the mask and they just couldn't get enough. Of course,
they did a million dollars dressed like a dominatrix or whatever, right, right,
so like a look like a fucking executioner nineteen ninety six.

Speaker 3 (01:38:45):
Yeah, I thought you're gonna say earlier than that. It's
exactly like Terry Gordy in ninety six. Exactly what a
fucking bloatish ship. I don't think. So you don't believe
any any of it? No, I don't believe any of
that shit. Ever heard that before until Brad how I mean, listen,
I'll tell you why I don't believe it, because we've
seen him run the ropes. Okay, we've seen him do it.

(01:39:10):
When was that a year before this? It may have
been this year, which makes it even more that that
to me, that that that that that that is more
in my favor for saying this, because he there's no
way people are cheering a guy who who who moves
like that?

Speaker 4 (01:39:31):
Right?

Speaker 3 (01:39:31):
He doesn't even look intimidating, and he's fucking tall as fuck,
but he's so fucking scrawny even in those photos. Yeah,
he's got he's got some build, but he doesn't look intimidating.
Maybe he was in person, maybe we see him you know,
six foot eight or wherever the fuck he is in person,
it's different, but I don't know. I'm not buying it.

(01:39:52):
They're not buying it.

Speaker 9 (01:39:53):
No.

Speaker 2 (01:39:54):
I mean the picture in uh and I'll send it
to you. The picture in Brian Blair's book of them
working together, he does look pretty uh pretty huge.

Speaker 3 (01:40:04):
Well that's Brian Blair though, Brian. I mean, I guess
this guy's short too.

Speaker 2 (01:40:07):
Yea, yeah, yeah, you know, I wasn't saying in propo.
I wasn't even saying in proportion to his opponent. I'm
just saying the legs are huge, like the upper body
looks scrawny back then. But I'm not sure if the
whole presentation came off that way to the people. But
I just, I just I find it hard to believe
that a crowd would respond that way if he was

(01:40:28):
under a hood as super Destroyer and that was something
that that Jerry says. He seems to indicate that they
put him on, you know, put him in there as
Terry Bully in the beginning, and it's like he's so
fucking fullish shit. I just think he's, you know, a
guy who saw so much and like of all the
things he was worried about in nineteen seventy seven, Hulk

(01:40:48):
Cogan was not among them, and now he's got to
like tell the story about how he saw a lot
in it, you know, And.

Speaker 3 (01:40:55):
That's what made this was so fucking full of shit. Like,
just I didn't I didn't see shit in him instead
of instead of Johnny Valentine. Didn't see anything in him. Yeah,
I didn't see anything in him. That's the thing. I mean, Listen,
Obviously there is there is a chance that he did,
and it actually was the case, but like the evidence
is not in thatt favor. I do wonder if that is.

Speaker 2 (01:41:17):
The case, why they would turn around then in his
second match with Brian Blair put him through that initiation
ritual where he's being humiliated by being left out there
for fifteen more minutes than he was prepared to do. Right,
if you saw this incredible spark of fan connection with
him that first night against Don Serrano, why the next
order of business was to humiliate him as as quickly
as possible and be able to make fun of him

(01:41:38):
and be able to have grounds to sort of hold
down his upside, or at least his perceived upside.

Speaker 3 (01:41:45):
I just I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:41:46):
I just I look at Super destroyer from the limited
visual evidence we have, And I just emailed you a
picture of him against Brian Blair in that second match,
and I just knowing wrestling crowds just don't see a
guy that's going to get this kind of wholehearted and
brain that Jerry Briscoe is describing. Yeah, I just don't
see it. And he's a late replacement, so it's not
even like they had this like design of sending him

(01:42:07):
to the ring and we're watching for any particular signs,
you know. They they they were in a position to
put him in the ring before they were ready to
do so, it appears to me, and he probably did
some clumsy things in that match, and they thought, my god,
wouldn't it be funny if we fucked with him in
the second match. That's where I'm coming down on this
whole deal. Yep, yep that I mean that that too.
That adds to it, no question, I think.

Speaker 11 (01:42:28):
So.

Speaker 2 (01:42:29):
Uh So, we're gonna get now to to Hogan's first book,
first book where he describes uh work boy working with
with Brian Blair, and fortunately Brian Blair has written a
terrific book with Ian Douglas where he recounts this, this,
this faith, this fateful Night as well. So let's start here, boss,

(01:42:52):
if you can yep with this is his first book,
is his second book, at least my cursory glance here,
and I'll look a little more closely. Doesn't doesn't seem
to say a hell of a lot about about his
first match.

Speaker 3 (01:43:10):
He kind of. I wonder if it's because evidence emerged that,
in fact, he had a match before that, but I
don't know. So here we go.

Speaker 2 (01:43:21):
This is from Hulk Cogan's first book, Hollywood Ulk Cogan.
And it's time to go on to match number two,
which as far as I can tell, And as you're
getting ready here, i'll take a look.

Speaker 3 (01:43:33):
Yes, the very next night.

Speaker 2 (01:43:35):
So the match with Don Serrano was August ninth, seventy seven,
and the match with Brian Blair was the next night,
August tenth, nineteen seventy seven, Fort Myers, Florida, at the
National Guard Armory. You know, one of those armories that
Briscoe was picturing in his head when he was telling
the story about the match before this, which was actually
at a high.

Speaker 3 (01:43:50):
School and not in an armory. Oh my god, come on, whatever,
here we go? Whatever, all right, I'll first dat. You know,
I worked my ass off and wait a long time
to start wrestling, but I'll figure I'd finally made it.
It wasn't not. I thought I'd make as much money
as though as the guys whose files I saw on

(01:44:11):
the bank, the files. I didn't think anymore that I
was going to become a star or get rich. My
house goal is just to be able to make a
living at it. I thought, if I could pay my
bills by wrestling, that would be one hell of a
goal to attain. Now, that would be actually pretty impressive
if he could actually pay his bills by wrestling. You know,
he wrestles to pay his bills, So if he wins

(01:44:32):
his bills paid, all right, that's amazing.

Speaker 2 (01:44:36):
That's the reward, not cash. They just pay the bills
for him, right right, for one of many lines of
credit at the.

Speaker 3 (01:44:44):
For my first pro match at the end of nineteen
seventy seven, Eddie Graham put a mask on me and
called me the super Destroyer. You're looking back. I see
he had developed some respect for me and thought it
might be something someday, so he kept me covered up
that way. If I wasn't in a good no, nobody
would know what was me. Eddie Graham surprised me when
he said I'd finally get a chance to wrestle. So

(01:45:05):
I didn't have any wrestling boots. But Jack Briscoe, who'd
been watching me get my brains beat in for the
last year, my brain's beat in from the last year
right had gone, had gone out and bought me a
pair of new white boots. Of course I had to
die of them black because I was supposed to be
a bad guy.

Speaker 2 (01:45:21):
Okay, no, he said there were Jack said there were
black boots. Why does this have to be well, he
dyed his boots. What is he trying to do here?

Speaker 3 (01:45:28):
Why do they have to be? Like? Who cares anyway?
Who gives us exactly? Brisco's dead? Idiot? Well, what what's this? Now?

Speaker 2 (01:45:38):
This is this is a Hogan thing of like, you know,
I don't know what he's He probably knows that there's
visual evidence of him in white boots, so he has
to like pretend that those were his first boots. I
don't know, man. That's that's the most Hogan detail that
tries me. It absolutely is what what what's it?

Speaker 3 (01:45:56):
Why did you put that in there?

Speaker 13 (01:45:57):
For?

Speaker 3 (01:45:58):
Even if it was true? Because I, well, brother, because
you know these are the you know brother, and we're
talking about I'm just trying to express what I had
to do to get my first get in the room
the first time. So you know that's a thing brother,
I had to It wasn't like I could sit there
and focus brother on, Hey, you know, I gotta wrestle
this guy. Dude, No, I gotta wrestle under a mask.
I gotta you know, I gotta, I gotta. I gotta

(01:46:19):
die my boots. Now, Brother, die this thing in. I
gonna die this thing in, dude. Absolutely well, Uh, I'll
never forget that. Jack Briscoe bought my first pair of boots.
That first pro match was against an accomplished and a
wate to wrestler named Brian Blair. What Andy Graham didn't

(01:46:41):
think I could beat this guy, so he decided the
match was going to be a twenty two minute Broadway.

Speaker 2 (01:46:46):
I thought I had a Broadway with sixty minutes. Who's
ever heard of that? Twenty two minute Broadway?

Speaker 3 (01:46:53):
Isn't that? What isn't that? What it is? Isn't that?
What going broadway is a fucking sixty minute match. Going
broadway means you go the time limit. I thought it
was sixty minutes usually.

Speaker 2 (01:47:01):
You know, Yeah, the ones that are celebrated were the
sixty minute world title Broadways. But Broadway can mean.

Speaker 3 (01:47:07):
But whatever, stupid anyway, I know, it's just so, it's
so goofy anyway. I don't understand what we're going Broadway.
I don't understand me even the means like a sixty minutes.
So it's like what if a play goes with certain length,
it doesn't end. It's that's what that means. It's like
all of a sudden, Oh sorry, folks, we uh this

(01:47:27):
is a yeah, the end of act two. Unfortunately, because
you know what, the play went a little too long tonight,
and uh, union rules dictate we can't go past this
time limit. Yes, so therefore we have gone Broadway. Good night.
You do not get a refund, and you cannot come
back and see the show a second time.

Speaker 2 (01:47:43):
Like the headline the next day of the papers, like
shows go Broadway, Customers furious.

Speaker 3 (01:47:52):
Broadway show goes broad Yeah, well we are on Broadway.
I don't understand. Yeah, that that that was supposed to
end in a draw. He told Brian Brian Blair that
all the other wrestlers knew it too, but no one
told me. Well they told me was that I had
twenty minutes to go out there and try to beat
Brian Blair anyway I could. So that's what I did.

(01:48:14):
All the other wrestlers gathered outside their dressing room doors
for this little preliminary match like it was like it
was the biggest wrestling match in the world, which puzzled
me at the time. Now I see they were having
a laugh at my expense. You know again, this is
all the learned trait of of the paranoia like he is,

(01:48:34):
and the insecurity. Yep, whole life. Laughed at his whole life.
He's a fucking buffoon, you know. He's just he's he's
he's the jolly orange giant, is what he is. The
butt of the joke, all right, all the fucking time,
all the time. Holy shit. Anyway, I tried. I tried

(01:48:56):
like I held a pin Brian Blair, and he tried
like hell to stop me. By tom an Over, Well,
he doesn't know that. He's only us to go out
there and pin him. Okay, I thought, Eddi Graham, go
up there. I already told you it was fake and
broke your heart. Oh that was in your second book
twenty minutes to go out there and try to beat
wine Blurn the way I could, dude. I mean, also

(01:49:18):
think about this too. This is one of my This
is one of the biggest like suspension of disbeliefs that
wrestling has. Who lets their shoulders down for three seconds?
That's exactly what I was gonna say in any way
I could. You're not gonna be able to do that
to anybody. Right, He's gonna fucking his arms are gonna

(01:49:40):
be up all that time. It's gonna look terrible.

Speaker 2 (01:49:43):
The crowd's gonna be hate it. Right, Okay, Now, look
are we discounting this for a real possibility?

Speaker 14 (01:49:49):
Though?

Speaker 2 (01:49:49):
Maybe we should just calm ourselves down and be a
little humble for one to not know what all motherfuckers,
and maybe we should just acknowledge it. Maybe this is
what happened. Maybe Eddie Graham told Terry Being to go
out there and do anything he could think to do
to win. Maybe, and what Terry came up with, maybe
he told Maybe he told maybe he told Hogan that
Brian Blair thinks it's real, right, you better go out

(01:50:12):
there and match it, match his energy.

Speaker 3 (01:50:14):
He's gonna he's gonna go out there and try to
beat the shit out of you. What but I would
I want to posit this an alternative scenario. What if?
What if?

Speaker 2 (01:50:21):
What Terry came up with in response to that was, Okay,
do whatever I think I can to beat him. And
what Terry came up with was, I'm gonna wrap my
my arm around your face with a headlock, and then
you tell me what spot to do, and we just
do spots for twenty two minutes and then we do
a fake finish. Maybe that's what he thought he could do.
Maybe he thought that was the fastest way between two

(01:50:41):
points was was just work it. Well, I'll tell you
I can't go twenty two minutes. I'm just gonna do
a headlock for twenty two minutes.

Speaker 3 (01:50:51):
It's that headlock wrestler we talked about. Yeah, beside hadlock
wrestler the greatest, greatest gimmick of all time. Well that
was that was that was the thing up in Portland. Okay.

Speaker 2 (01:51:01):
You know Don Owen, he was the promoter there and
he was the he was the you know, the patriarch,
the big businessman. I'm your sorrio behind Portland Wrestling, and
he had a brother named Elton who was a nut,
and he was obsessed with who could actually beat who
in real fights, And so he'd give these guys money
to go out there and shoot with each other for

(01:51:23):
the first ten minutes of the match and then transition
into a work and do the plan finish. But he
wanted to see if these two guys actually went.

Speaker 3 (01:51:29):
Hold for a hole.

Speaker 11 (01:51:30):
Ah.

Speaker 2 (01:51:31):
And you know what these wrestlers did, right, What did
they do? They got off to the side and they said, Hey,
instead of actually going out there and shooting for this
guy and getting ourselves hurt, why don't we work it
and split split the money. So that's why to me,
it's feasible that any Graham tells Terry Bulay to go

(01:51:51):
out there and figure out any way he can to
beat the guy, and the best way he can think
of is to work an entire pro wrestling match.

Speaker 3 (01:51:57):
Yeah, I would imagine that's probably a way to do it.

Speaker 2 (01:51:59):
Is that's in wrestling, it gets fakeused when they think
it's realist. Yes, oh yes, when they're faking it, that's
when they really get hurt.

Speaker 3 (01:52:07):
Isn't it amazing? Yep? Exactly of course, because that's like anyway, uh, anyway,
I tried like held up when Brian Blair, and he
tried like held on to stop to stop me. My
time matches over, we had beaten the crop out of
each other. I hadn't pinned him, but I had some
I had come closer than some people thought I would.

(01:52:30):
I'm sure it was quite humorous for the wrestlers who
were watching. But I'd accomplished something. I'd shown the promoter,
Eddie Graham, that I could handle myself in the ring.
I figured that was a good start and I'd be
appearing on the card on a regular basis. But now
that I'd got into the wrestling business, they wouldn't book me.
They'd give me just one not a week Monday Monday
at the Sportatorium, and I got paid with just twenty

(01:52:52):
five dollars. I kept asking, well, why should you guys
let me wrestle. There's no reason for it, at least
none that I could see. Now I understand the reason.
Mike Graham, the promoter's son, had Here we go, Here
we go. It's Mike Graham's fault again. Mike Graham, the
promoter's son, had gotten into the wrestling business for a

(01:53:14):
few years before me. He was a star already, and
in high school we hadn't been the best of friends.
So it was like that old high school rivalry that
kept me from wrestling more for Mike's father, Eddie Graham.
Of course, Mike and I are great friends now, but
at the time he didn't want to give me a
chance to outshine him. Oh my god, everything is Mike
Graham's fault. Okay, oh god, everything every sid Mike Graham's fault.

(01:53:37):
Everything is Hulk Coken being afraid that Mike Graham doesn't
like him his fault. I'm right, even though Mike Graham
pulled him into the van, pulled him into the van,
according to Terry Bolea himself, and said, all right, fine,
you want to be a wrestler, here's what you're gonna do. Bro,
I didn't want to be pulled in the van. Whoa dude?
Whoa brother? I mean, brother, it's Tampa, dude. Whoa dude?

(01:54:01):
Stifling heat? Heard again before? But this is ridiculous. Brother,
We can we reverse the sea dude? Get the ac going.

Speaker 2 (01:54:10):
Shout out to the Solar System member who hit us
on X and reminded us that Mike Graham and shoot
interview formats very much had a pension for saying that
wrestlers never drew a dime.

Speaker 3 (01:54:19):
He never drew a dime. He never threw it. No
one ever drew a dime. Paul Cogan never drew a dime.

Speaker 2 (01:54:25):
Well, his big one was the Radicals, because you know
that was his whole blow up with those guys. Oh
my god, and Chris bin Wan never drew a dime.
And he goes on later to say that, you know,
one of the ways we measured drawing a dime is
he would get the minute by minute ratings when he
was executive at WCW, and he would have stolen patterns
and he would say, these guys would draw dimes because
they drew ratings. Hey, Mike, you want to take a
good look at that first raw when the Radicals came in. Uh,

(01:54:47):
tell tell you if that's your measuring stick, Tell me
who drew a dime? Okay, the second they left you
who absolutely put up like a record number and set
two thousand off to be the hottest start in the
most profitable year in company history until recently. Tell me
about that, but just tremendous. Never drew a nine.

Speaker 3 (01:55:03):
That's his thing, and that's amazing.

Speaker 2 (01:55:05):
I think to myself, what would Mike Graham know about
never drawing a dime? He may very well be an
expert and not drawing it time.

Speaker 3 (01:55:14):
I mean, I want to see how many dimes to
see one ticket he sold?

Speaker 2 (01:55:18):
I want to see the fan who bought a ticket
to see him.

Speaker 3 (01:55:21):
Mike, don't, Mike, don't call me golden.

Speaker 2 (01:55:23):
Graham looked like a s'mores by the time it was over.

Speaker 3 (01:55:27):
Fucking idiot.

Speaker 2 (01:55:29):
I mean, he's just a guy that's begging to be counterpunched,
you know he is.

Speaker 11 (01:55:35):
He is.

Speaker 3 (01:55:38):
Like a divorced guy at a bar in Orlando. I
mean there is there is no I mean right, substitute
math teacher and hard and hardware store owner, Mike Graham.

Speaker 2 (01:55:51):
He goes to like Cocoa Key and Coco this and
Coco that. You know, everything's like tropical and it's just
a bunch of rednecks, you know, brawl right right, completely
trashed and like wife swapping in like air conditioned, like
single family single bedroom units, one bedroom units, unbelievable.

Speaker 3 (01:56:13):
Saves up every year every year to go to like here.
He is. He lives in where the tampap so every
year he saves up all his money to go to
Saint Pete's Beach. What he's gonna go? This guy a
jet ski. You know, you can go anywhere in the world.
But now he wants to save up that money to
get that fucking you know that rent that property for

(01:56:36):
a week over at Saint Pete's. He's not an idiot.
He's a very smart guy who just didn't let me
tell you any of these fucking clowns who who fucking
talk about people not drawing a dime crown?

Speaker 4 (01:56:58):
All right?

Speaker 3 (01:56:59):
Like it fuck pisses me off.

Speaker 2 (01:57:01):
Like ten wrestlers that have ever drawn money, like, so
shut up right exactly or three if you're Eric Bischoff.

Speaker 3 (01:57:10):
Everybody else was just.

Speaker 2 (01:57:11):
Thrust into the main event at a time when people
were coming to see the matches because the territory was hot.

Speaker 3 (01:57:15):
Right, It's got nothing to do with the people. It's
gonna do with wrestling itself. No, no, no, no, no, no, no,
I mean that makes sense.

Speaker 2 (01:57:22):
Look, of course there are draws. There are people who
sell more tickets to a show than if they weren't
on it would sell. But that list is so short.
To act like that is some kind of per requisite
to be taken seriously in wrestling is to disqualify ninety
nine point eight percent of the people whoever stepp foot
in the ring is being completely valueless, and it's completely ridiculous.
The only reason you draw money, yeah you can, you

(01:57:44):
can have it in you to draw money, but the
only reason it happens is because a promoter lets you
draw money. Right, as evidenced by this whole thing about
how Terry Boleya had that early spark yet within a
year is we're about to talk about, he wants to
quit the business because that's how that's how much they
see his ability to draw money. You know, Mike Graham
is not too far from the center of power. At

(01:58:04):
this particular point in time. They had Hulk fucking Hogan
developing under their nose, and he basically wants to quit
the business eight months after they get their hands on him.
So who knows what about drawing a dime? Who knows
what about being able to detect the ability to draw
a dime in the rough?

Speaker 3 (01:58:19):
Mike Graham, thank you, that was my conclusion. He knows,
and so does Ollie Anderson.

Speaker 2 (01:58:24):
Of course, as ever, rest in peace. Sure does Hogan
have more to say? About this shoot match with Brian Blair.

Speaker 3 (01:58:32):
Does he No, that's that's it. That's it from here
for you. He doesn't shoot a low inside single or
anything like that. He doesn't try a cement mixer. I'd say,
I'd say the low inside single. Just that Mike. Mike
and I are great friends. Now.

Speaker 2 (01:58:46):
One of the things that's important to note is that
Bob rup who of course was a long time shooter
in Florida and was a guy that you would sort
of send in to be tortured, he was on that
short list. He should have been on that short list
of guys I was delineating before who were really Florida mainstays.
Although he did work in a lot of different territories.
He would be a guy that would stretch people out
that thought they were hot shit and didn't take wrestling
seriously enough and thought it was simple to get into

(01:59:07):
the business. But at a certain point, Brian Blair, who
was an amateur high school and I think even in
college and was a football player and stuff, originally from Gary, Indiana.
Was Brian Blair not a native Tampon, but he came
there as a boy. He had the chops to be
another one of those policemen in the sportatorium and stretch
people who didn't show appropriate respect to the business. So

(01:59:28):
that's what Brian Blair was up to at the time
Terry Boleya was breaking in. Now that's not to say
that Brian Blair stretched Terry Boleya in the sportatorium.

Speaker 3 (01:59:35):
That isn't quite.

Speaker 2 (01:59:36):
Terry had advanced enough to where Brian Blair wasn't asked
to do that visa VI Terry Boleya, but he was
in a bit more of a respected position with the office,
was Brian Blair at this point than Blaya was. They're
matched up against each other, and here is how he
remembers it playing out.

Speaker 3 (01:59:51):
This again is from his.

Speaker 2 (01:59:52):
Book Truth Be Told, which I would highly recommend. I
officially started in the business about six weeks before Terry
Boleya was cleared to wrestle. Well, they put him under
a hood as a masked wrestler known as Super Destroyer.
Eddie decreed that Chiefland now Chiefland, Florida, by the way,
is the city where Brian Blair and Terry Bullaya had
this first match in August tenth, nineteen seventy seven. So
whenever they talk about Chiefland, Whenever Brian Blair talks about

(02:00:14):
Chiefland is shorthand he's talking about this match. Chiefland would
be the ideal place for Terry to face me in
August in his first series match. Up until then, he'd
worked in a match with Hero Matsuda. Now, what's this about?

Speaker 15 (02:00:26):
What?

Speaker 2 (02:00:27):
I don't see any evidence of this Hulk Cogan wrestling
Hero Matsuda before the people. I see no that means
of that. That was about five minutes long. But this
was going to be his first true test as a
pro wrestler.

Speaker 3 (02:00:37):
Terry and I are fuck is he? Where did these
people come up with their story? I don't know, man.
I think this is like him.

Speaker 2 (02:00:47):
Knowing that after he talked for a while about having
had Terry Bulay's first match, and after Hulk Cogan says
as much in his first book, corrected after the fact,
but never bothering to remember it's Don Serrano, and then
we're counting it for this book, saying, you know, I
do want to tell this whole story that I've told
for years and years about how I was Terry's first match,
but I do have to acknowledge that people say there

(02:01:09):
was another one. I'll just say it was Hiro Matsuda
he wrestled, you know, or at least maybe that's how
he remembered it, but it wasn't. He was on the
card on that Super Destroyer Don Surroundo match. We've established that,
so this was cool. But this was going to be
Brian blair Wright's his first true test as a pro wrestler.
Terry and I were notified that we would be working
together two days ahead of time, and we prepared some

(02:01:29):
high spots together in the ring prior to the match.
Rehearsals were rare back then, but since we were both
extremely green, we thought it was best to prepare together
for our fifteen minute broadway. I was really nervous since
I was the veteran in the ring after only six
weeks of experience on the road. Terry was also sweating
nervous bullets backstage. You don't say, Ryan, brother, I'm a
fucking wreck Dudel brother can come here, dude, I'm a

(02:01:51):
wreck Ednie Graham just said I have to go out
there and find.

Speaker 3 (02:01:55):
A way to beat you. Dude, Are you gonna beat me?
Why did he say? Mighty say that? Brother? Brother? How
are you gonna beat? Are you rolling me up?

Speaker 4 (02:02:04):
Brother.

Speaker 3 (02:02:05):
What uh huh? What's a roll up? Brother? Are you
gonna I don't understand.

Speaker 2 (02:02:11):
Are you gonna post Are you gonna post your gelbone
my ankle and pull back on my toe?

Speaker 4 (02:02:14):
Are you?

Speaker 3 (02:02:15):
Brother? Are you gonna mass suit on my leg? Are
you gonna do it again? I heard you saying I
wrestled Matt Suda. Wrestle mat suit? Brother? Why are you
going around telling people I wrestled mansuita Are you trying
to lay the groundwork for a Matt Suda on hul Hogan?
Are you saying that's who's gonna super run in? Is
he gonna run in? Brother? Super destroyer? Break the legna

(02:02:35):
super destroy my shin bone? Brother, brother, I've already I've
already broken it fifty times.

Speaker 2 (02:02:40):
Because matts Suit the last episode was called Matt Suda,
maybe we should call this one Matt Suit to Push.
That is the biggest question coming away from all this research.
Where is that Matt Suita push?

Speaker 3 (02:02:56):
But since we were.

Speaker 2 (02:02:57):
Both extremely green, we both thought it was best to
prepare together for our fifteen minute Broadway Terry was sweating
nervous bullets backstage and the building hadn't even opened yet.
After both of us climbed into the ring and faced off.
The referee gave us our official instructions while the announcer
made the call one fall fifteen minute time limit. Our
actual match got off to a decent enough start. For

(02:03:18):
the first five minutes. We engaged in some chain wrestling.
From there we transitioned into.

Speaker 3 (02:03:24):
You can hear it, can't you? Yes?

Speaker 11 (02:03:26):
I can?

Speaker 3 (02:03:28):
Terry Bullay awkward sound oh go good Man.

Speaker 2 (02:03:51):
Wrestling, US Wrestling, USSA Wrestle Rock Rumble, rough stuff, Mattchivon
is Holgan's.

Speaker 3 (02:04:10):
Saunas That sounds like a wrestler's name. How do we
know it isn't It? Probably is.

Speaker 2 (02:04:20):
Raha, Raja Mildred broke my young Russell.

Speaker 3 (02:04:28):
Okay, so look if this, if these things don't survive
on film, this is the best we can do to
take you there and put you under that hot lamp. Headlock, dude, tackle,
get it again, brother, he's coming over the top.

Speaker 16 (02:04:48):
They're doing standard spots. They're tackle dropped out, hit the ropes,
over the top, block the head tops, double squeeze the wrist,
give it the iggy.

Speaker 2 (02:05:05):
Hogan hip toss blocked Blair. Blair needs him in the
stomach doubling over Hogan. Blair puts his leg but over
Hogan's your head back.

Speaker 3 (02:05:11):
Flips like going hard and get it again, charges into
a clothes line, dropping him. Hogan kills him with a
clothes line. Player cells. Blair cells by shaking his head. Okay,
this is what I picture to by the way, Okay,
this is the kind of match that I picture, like
like in Riky Doze in Okay. Yeah, remember like when

(02:05:34):
they have those like they show them wrestling, it's just
like non stop, like you know, like it's just these
these moves after move to move after moving like there's
no there's no real rhythm to it. It's like a
movie action scene. It's just move for for it's moved
for move's sake, you know. And and and like they
just do off the rope down and like they keep

(02:05:54):
trading blows, like they trade maneuvers and stuff like that.
That's that's what I picture, Just this weird non stopped
chain grappling, you know, fifty to fifty thing going on. Dude,
going back and forth. Love it so much. Colin spots
as loud as they can.

Speaker 2 (02:06:12):
Oh from there, we okay, yeah, we transitioned from the
chain wrestling into some strong man stuff to get over
Terry's size and strength with the audience. After about eight
minutes had elapsed, we knew it was time for Terry
to start drawing as much heat from the crowd as
he could. As I held Terry in a rear chinlock
and waited for him to rise to his feet and
overpower me, I heard him whisper, Brian, look, we're having

(02:06:34):
a heck of a match.

Speaker 3 (02:06:35):
All the Oh my god, he did not fucking say that.
All the boys are watching. That's what he's sweating bullets.
We're having a heck of a match. I will say.

Speaker 2 (02:06:48):
This is recorded as Brian Blair versus Terry Bulea, so
this is not him under the hood. He would go
back under the hood after they wrestled twice here. So
we are the neck of a match. All the boys
are watching. I glanced upward, and I was surprised to
see that Terry was right. Sure enough, the locker room
had completely emptied out, and all the boys were standing
in the entranceway and admiring our match. I took it

(02:07:10):
as a reassuring sign. In that brief moment, I felt
pretty awesome. Let's do it. Right, brother, I whispered back
to Terry. Terry started getting the heat on me with
some punches and other illegal Let's let's do it right, brother.
And what were you doing up to this point? Doing
it wrong?

Speaker 3 (02:07:28):
What do it right? You say about what I've been
doing so far? I follows doing a good job. Are
you going to get behind me? I know the crowds,
the crowds behind me, but why are you behind me? Exactly?
If I already have the crowd behind me, why are
you behind me? I don't understand. Is everyone's behind Terry bowlea?
Is that kind of where we're going here? That's been

(02:07:48):
that was the biggest problem a whole whole life. Everyone
is always behind him. See exactly. It's not a good thing.
That's it.

Speaker 2 (02:07:58):
Let's do it right, brother, I whispered back to Terry.
Terry started getting the heat on me with some punches
and other illegal moves before securing a hold on me. Finally,
the referee informed us that ten minutes of the match
time had gone by. We were two thirds of the
way done. We continued with our match, but the referee
stopped giving us any sort of minute by minute time cues.
That's when I began timing things out in my head
and figuring out what else we needed to squeeze into
the match before the full fifteen minute time limit expired.

(02:08:21):
That's when I became somewhat frantic, realizing that we probably
only had two minutes remaining in our bout before it
was over with. Terry went on to hit me with
a shoulder thrust into the corner, but I ducked out
of the way and began to unload on him. I
bombarded Terry with punches, then bounced off the ropes and
threw dropkicks at him. Terry sold everything as hard as
he possibly could. Neither one of us wanted to look
like we weren't putting all of our effort into making

(02:08:43):
the match look good, because all the boys were standing
directly outside the ring and scrutinizing every move we made.
Once the exertion had gotten me as blown up as
I could possibly be. And by the way, he says
he wrestled Terry Bullat and it says Terry Boley, But
you look at the pictures. He has a book and
it's Terry under a mask. So you tell me which

(02:09:04):
is which. Once the exertion had gotten me as blown
up as I could possibly be, and I could see
that Terry had also been gassed into immobility. I secured
a sleeper hold on him for the second time during
the match. Admittedly, I put the sleeper on Terry for
the second time because I didn't know of any other
moves that would allow me to convincingly stall the match.
Until the bell rang, both of us sat there in
the center of the ring, sweating profusely, exhausted to a

(02:09:26):
point nearing death, and waiting for the bell to ring
and signal the time limit draw. Fifteen minutes gone. Came
the announcement from the timekeeper, fifteen minutes.

Speaker 3 (02:09:36):
Oh my God, to go, ha ha ha.

Speaker 2 (02:09:39):
My eyes visibly widened in disbelief, and I immediately swung
my head over to look toward the boys. Everyone was
laughing hysterically at Morocco's behest. The Briscoes had changed the
length of the match without smartening up Terry and I,
and as a result, the match went from being a
fantastic early career match between two green wrestlers to being

(02:09:59):
what was probably one of the worst matches of all time.
We rolled around like two bleached beached whales trying to
apply rest holes to one another until we got our
wind back. From there, we had to try to recreate
some tension in the match, even though we'd already used
every move we knew how to perform safely.

Speaker 3 (02:10:17):
It was awful.

Speaker 2 (02:10:19):
In those days, the fans were polite enough not to
start calling everything boring, but the second half of the
bout was definitely boring. The boys thought it was the
funniest thing that ever happened, especially Don Morocco on.

Speaker 3 (02:10:33):
The way back of all fucking people, Don Morocco.

Speaker 2 (02:10:38):
Idiot, absolutely so, nice guys is one thing, right that
that's one thing we have to take away from this.

Speaker 3 (02:10:46):
Nice guys.

Speaker 2 (02:10:46):
Yeah, and putting these guys in this position is hilarious
and that's what it was like. And Blair would be
the butt of a lot of ribs. So I feel
like a lot of the stuff wasn't standard initiation, but
just to be funny to fuck with Brian Blair in particular,
and I think Terry Bulay found himself in that category
as well early in his career. Briscoe would later say

(02:11:08):
of this whole thing, you know, I'm not gonna apologize
because that was the funniest thing I've ever seen you
guys do that whole thing, So he doesn't run away
from the idea that it was done strictly for the
amusement of the locker room and people there at the show,
which again was not being filmed for television, was only
there before a relatively small crowd and a small market
like Chiefland, Florida, So you can see how that would
create the conditions for a good time. Fun to know

(02:11:30):
that Don the Rock Morocco was there as well. I
really like, yeah, I really like picturing that in my head.
But that's the story of the Brian Blair match. And
so after this is played out, they rematch each other
and Terry goes back under the hood is Super Destroyer,
although again these matches in Brian Blair's book have him
under the hood. So I don't know why those results

(02:11:52):
showed Terry Bulaa wrestling as Terry Boleya instead of Super Destroyer.
I guess that's never to be sussed out, right, Brisco,
you know, at least now is saying he kept offering
Terry Bullay bookings, because Boleia goes on to complain in
his books about how the bookings were few and far between.
We read from You Last Time. The passage from Dusty
Rhodes's book where he basically gloats that Terry Bullaya never

(02:12:14):
wrestled the big show at the Fort Hesterley Armory in Tampa,
the big venue for Florida Championship Wrestling. He's rubbing that
in Hogan's face. And you look through the results of
this first you know pass in the business, and he
did never work the Hesterly, which is where you really
go when they consider you a serious player. And so
you know, Terry, it's like, I'm not getting any bookings.

(02:12:34):
You know, I'm not making any money. You're starving me out.
You're just having fucking fun with me. You know, after
all I've been through to get into this business, I'm
still you know, he went through all that with Matsuda,
he went through all that extra training, he went through
all that extra earning respect, and then they do this
with him and then with Brian Blair. You know, I mean,
come on, well, how would you interpret it? You know,

(02:12:55):
they love me in this business and see all kinds
of upside in me. No, I wouldn't see that at all.
And so Briscoe has the story that the reason Beliah
wasn't getting a lot of bookings on the circuit, or
at least as much as he would need to string
together a living was because you know, Ruth just wasn't
passing on the message.

Speaker 7 (02:13:14):
Terry got booked, and then a funny story on that.
I would call Terry was living at home with his
parents at the time. I would call his house because
cell phones were were a million years away at that time.
I call his house. Hey, mister Blay Jerry Briscoe, here
is the Florida Championship, right, Hey, we got Terry booked
on the date, set and set and make sure he's there,

(02:13:36):
make sure he gets some message.

Speaker 4 (02:13:38):
She would not give him the bookings.

Speaker 3 (02:13:40):
His mom.

Speaker 7 (02:13:41):
His mom, she didn't want him being in the ring
and getting beat up. You know, that was hurt because
they were fan, you know, and miss and missus Bay
came all the matches too, okay, and they were fan though.
She didn't want to want her boy getting beat up,
want her him in the business.

Speaker 4 (02:13:56):
Okay. So so so Ruth Bulea is not letting him
know about the message. She's not letting him know. And
now Terry's starting to get really upset with the office
and with me for not booking anymore, did he give
you a call or no?

Speaker 7 (02:14:10):
I just found that out through Teresa that that little
girl that was the bunlaid that was live next door
to Terry.

Speaker 4 (02:14:16):
Please.

Speaker 7 (02:14:17):
Yeah, so here's the deal. So we we call and
Johnny Valentine was the head booker at the time. Johnny
had just come off that airplane crash and Eddie felt
sorry for him, so Eddie gave him a job as
a booker. Well, Johnny could not travel, Johnny because of
his capacity of his legs from the airplane crash up

(02:14:39):
to Carolinas. So Johnny couldn't travel. So I made all
the shows, so I come back, of course give a report.
He didn't give a crap about the first two matchs
and all he wanted to know is and made event
went well and we got in, We got accomplished once
told the story for the next week at all Johnny,
Johnny didn't really care about it Olco and who the
jobs were, and Johnny had only seen him more so,

(02:15:02):
Johnny was a big, strong, strapping guy too, and he
had worked with a bunchet.

Speaker 4 (02:15:07):
It really didn't really didn't make a difference to Johnny
on on the sign.

Speaker 7 (02:15:12):
Plus Johnny wasn't a financial had a financial sake and
in the office there, so he really did give a
crap about it and how he got to read and
he probably got let let go.

Speaker 4 (02:15:23):
But so anyway, how did you get it?

Speaker 7 (02:15:26):
Really upset about not getting booking? And I said, Terry,
I'm calling your house and I'm giving you booking. Mother,
and I don't know where this conversation probably had a show,
and you know that he finally got got word that
he was supposed to be at and he said, well,
my mom's not telling me any of this. I said, Terry,
I swear I'm calling. I'm booking you every little spot show.

(02:15:48):
You've basically been booked every Thursday and Friday and Saturday. Yeah,
since you since your first match. And so he said,
I'm not getting So that's what he said.

Speaker 4 (02:16:00):
Call Teresa. She lives right next door to me. She'll
give them to me.

Speaker 7 (02:16:03):
She'll take me to the Then, so I started calling Teresa,
and Teresa Terry booked.

Speaker 4 (02:16:09):
It's on sold day, it's on. So that's how he
was getting.

Speaker 1 (02:16:12):
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and Carnacio and.

Speaker 3 (02:17:38):
Jpisarro Seriously, Terrenson, Teresa, Terry and Terry.

Speaker 2 (02:17:43):
Do you remember Teresa who he's talking about?

Speaker 3 (02:17:45):
Did that sync in with you?

Speaker 14 (02:17:47):
No?

Speaker 3 (02:17:47):
Okay?

Speaker 2 (02:17:48):
So Teresa was this woman who worked at the Other Place,
the bar club, where Terry was playing as Ruckus, when
the Briscoes first saw him and they knew her, and
they said, who's that guy? And she told them, oh,
that's true. He's a huge wrestling fan, you know. And
she was the one that facilitated According to Jerry's version

(02:18:08):
of the story, the Briscoe is going backstage at the
Other Place and meeting with Terry Bley and talking to
him for the first time about his interest in getting
into the wrestling business. So she's like this almost this
whisperer between the two. Briscoe also said she was the
one remembered his version where after Metsuda broke Hogan's leg,
he had somebody out there that drove him to the hospital,

(02:18:28):
not that he drove his own his own van, which
is his version of the story. It was her, according
to what he said, Tales from the Territories, that was
out there ready to give Hogan a lift and help out.
He even speculated that maybe even ed Leslie was there,
which I highly doubt because, as we'll establish in episodes
to come, Hogan, well he knew ed Leslie in high
school and going to the matches and stuff, hadn't really

(02:18:50):
re established a connection with him, and they hadn't really
become friends to the end quite yet. So this is
this important intermediary who apparently lived near Terry Bole and
was you could get messages to Terry that way. I
thought he was living in a hotel. So I don't
know why Jerry has to call Ruth to get a
message to Terry. If you can't just call the hotel room.

(02:19:13):
I tell you, you can call here if you want,
but I'm not gonna give him message. You can go
anything you want, but I'm not going to give into
Goddamn Why is that Ruth. I'm not as got fucking secretary. Okay,
oh my god, And he ain't Kenny.

Speaker 6 (02:19:27):
Oh Ship, you just said that.

Speaker 3 (02:19:30):
If Kenny, I'd give him every message you said but
he ain't not Kenny, So mister you go fuck yourself.

Speaker 2 (02:19:45):
Hello, Hi, there's Jerry Briskoll from Florida tramp que excuse me,
Who's this is just a bowl layer residence. Yeah, just
the fucking bowl fucking Okay, here we go. Yeah, this
is the fucking of Malay of residence that New England
Irish is coming back, isn't it?

Speaker 3 (02:20:06):
What? Who the fuck is this? Huh oh?

Speaker 2 (02:20:11):
Gerald Writsko from Florida Champs Ship Wrestling. Call in the
book Terry for another series of spot shows we got
going on and chief no beach, Nope, nope, no, how
do you mean no, ma'am? I just want to take
your meaning I'm saying not going to happen. If you're
asking me to be his secretary, I'm not gonna happen.

(02:20:32):
So don't don't ask me these questions. Don't don't ask
me to do something that I'm not going to do.

Speaker 3 (02:20:39):
Can you imagine the request? Don't ask me second I'm
not going to do? Like how does he know you're
not going to do it?

Speaker 1 (02:20:45):
Like?

Speaker 3 (02:20:45):
How is that a reasonable ask?

Speaker 9 (02:20:47):
You know?

Speaker 3 (02:20:47):
Like you know full well this guy, as far as
he knows, the messages have been getting through. Listen you can.
I don't know how many times you've called, but I
have not given my son a message at all from you.
I don't know who you are, I don't know where
you been.

Speaker 2 (02:21:04):
And I hope in that way you get the message,
mister Briscoe, because Terry certainly is not going to get
the message. I can guarantee you.

Speaker 3 (02:21:11):
That there's one thing, There's one thing I can promise
you right now, mister Briscoe, is that my son is
not going to get the message from me.

Speaker 9 (02:21:20):
That.

Speaker 2 (02:21:20):
Why was that, ma'am? If you were mom asking h
I'm sorry, are you trying to get your head up
my dress? Excuse me, madam? No, I have no such intention.

Speaker 3 (02:21:29):
Then why well, I'm trying to really get in touch
with your son. Tell you what, I don't give a
shit who you're trying to touch. You. Don't call here
no more about Terry Bowlia or I'll fucking come down
there and crank your neck. She picked up a few
things from all Terry, didn't you. I'll come down there

(02:21:51):
and crank your neck. Is that what she said? That's
want to be clear? Is that what you said?

Speaker 16 (02:21:56):
You said.

Speaker 3 (02:21:59):
I've seen you before or I've seen your kind. You
don't understand the chance I'm gonna bust you up. And
I'm not your fucking messenger. That's a Jim Ross sty

(02:22:22):
How does okay?

Speaker 2 (02:22:25):
How does Ruth Bulla shout get out to Jerry Briscoe
and his attempts to book Terry on the circuit in Florida?
How does it sound when she the mild mannered Ruth Blea,
she of the How does she say, get out?

Speaker 3 (02:22:45):
Go ahead? So he's on the he's on the phone,
he's not even there in person. I don't know.

Speaker 2 (02:22:54):
Maybe can't we send somebody down there to talk to him?
I really would like to Am I your keeper? Am
I your keeper? Do I fucking have to come down
there and tell you what you know? I don't give
a shit what you do. Go ahead, fucking find him.

Speaker 3 (02:23:10):
I'm sick of you call my house. It's not real, Jerry.
What you do is fake, and you're trying to bring
myself into a fake world. Wow, the real world had enough? Yes,
I won't have it. I'll read the newspaper. I know
it's fake, sir.

Speaker 2 (02:23:30):
Someone we could send down there to really, you know,
sit down with these folks and explain to them that
that Terry's got a lot of potential in this business. Yeah, well,
you know, Jerry, I know one person that they'll open
their door to, and that's gene Oakerland. And cameras were rolling,
and it eventually aired as part of the nineteen ninety
one WWF Hot Ticket Hulk Hogan Special. Here's gene Oakerland

(02:23:54):
visiting the Balayis.

Speaker 17 (02:23:57):
It was on the streets this very humble residential neighborhood
that the man played as a child. As a matter
of fact, in this two bedroom home, it's where he
was born and raised. For the next ninety minutes, you're
going to get to see the other side of the
man and all again. Everyone, I'm Gene Oakland for the
World Wrestling Federation and this is Hull Cogan, a real

(02:24:21):
American story.

Speaker 1 (02:24:22):
Hey now, wow, why smarks present hot.

Speaker 3 (02:24:34):
I don't even know what her It's like five dollars
take reviews. They came out. Look, he only did a
couple of them. Shout out to the homie Matt for
digging this one up. It's the only other piece of
Ruth and Pete lore that ever was put on a
wrestling dais heavily underplayed heavily underremembered him. He's the rest

(02:25:00):
to shore when we get there. In the chronology of
came out of Soli Benedity Woman.

Speaker 9 (02:25:07):
There Rock three.

Speaker 17 (02:25:08):
This is the home of Pete and Ruth, the parents
for Hulk Hogan. I've known these folks for years. They've
always been very hospitable. I'd like to take a look
at the at the Hulk's room. Okay, there's got to
be some great memorabilion there. Probably you could take me back.
I know I've seen some of those pictures in the past. Well,
I've got to see this.

Speaker 1 (02:25:27):
You got to see this is what.

Speaker 9 (02:25:31):
And whoa he had to outgrow that, Yes he did.

Speaker 10 (02:25:34):
He outgrew it and by the time he was in
junior high it put mattress on the floor, sleep on
the floor.

Speaker 6 (02:25:40):
What what did he do in this room? I can
get kind of a feel for it.

Speaker 9 (02:25:43):
But what how did he spend his hours?

Speaker 10 (02:25:44):
He had a lot of studying, A lot of straight
A students, did a lot of studying.

Speaker 6 (02:25:48):
What about that guitar?

Speaker 9 (02:25:49):
I know he he used to play his music.

Speaker 10 (02:25:52):
In here, and he'd write music and then I would
play the organ for him.

Speaker 9 (02:25:56):
Sometimes we do with the two of you get together
and sometimes and jam they say, ruth.

Speaker 10 (02:26:00):
But when he was young, but when he was real little,
I used to play for him and playing to sleep terrific.

Speaker 17 (02:26:05):
Some of the memorabilia here, including the great photos. There's
a picture of him with this. I believe this is
his grandmother.

Speaker 9 (02:26:11):
Yes, she was ninety years old. Wow, she just passed away.

Speaker 4 (02:26:14):
Short.

Speaker 9 (02:26:15):
And here's a shot of Hulk is seven years old.

Speaker 6 (02:26:18):
Goodness six.

Speaker 9 (02:26:18):
I didn't even want to ask how much he weighed
A plenty.

Speaker 6 (02:26:21):
I can imagine.

Speaker 9 (02:26:22):
Hey, there's a picture of you and Pete with Hulk.
Where is he in the kitchen? Yeah?

Speaker 17 (02:26:28):
Great, We've spent some memorable moments in this kitchen together,
and of course a lot of the conversation that we
had set it around your son, Hulk COVID. Now, Hulk
made a promise to you one time, I think it
was right out here in the backyard, that one day

(02:26:49):
he would be the World Wrestling Federation Champion.

Speaker 6 (02:26:51):
Did he not?

Speaker 13 (02:26:52):
Yes?

Speaker 14 (02:26:52):
How he had training this morning with Hero Matt Shooter,
the Japanese teacher. Oh my god, he finished, came home
and he was jumping out in the backyard and of
course got number fourteen feet tore up what grass I had.
It was tying it up. So I asked the Hulk
if he would come out in my asphalt driving gentlemen.

(02:27:16):
I told him I would gladly tap it up. He said, okay, Dad,
I'll do that. So when he finished jumping, he came
in and sat down. He made himself a.

Speaker 6 (02:27:27):
Big sandwich, big sandwich.

Speaker 14 (02:27:29):
He was eating the sandwich. I sat there beside him.
I wasn't eating, And all of a sudden the Hulk
began to psych himself up, and I said, help, what
is wrong with you? And he said, Dad, I'm going
to be the heavyweight wrestling champagne of the world.

Speaker 6 (02:27:47):
He said, Geene, and he fulfilled it. He has full feet.

Speaker 17 (02:27:50):
Actually made that promise, and of course obviously he fulfilled it.

Speaker 6 (02:27:53):
That's correct. You recall that root, Yes I do.

Speaker 10 (02:27:56):
I told you many times if we got two of
the suns, I said, what was August Elata fifty three?

Speaker 9 (02:28:02):
A star was born? And he's always had a little
star on his He.

Speaker 3 (02:28:07):
Was born a little star on more back of his hand.

Speaker 1 (02:28:10):
And I don't know how true.

Speaker 17 (02:28:13):
And he and Joy, how did you perceive this youngster
hull Cogan when he grew up in this house.

Speaker 6 (02:28:19):
What was he like as a child, Well, I'll tell
you the Hawk he was.

Speaker 14 (02:28:27):
I'm his father. Oh my god, he just always seemed
to be nice. I never laid a hand on him,
and one you were just wonderful even when he was
on the Hawk was so large, and at twelve years old.

Speaker 6 (02:28:45):
He covid was he at twelve?

Speaker 14 (02:28:48):
Well he was six one of so many way one
hundred and ninety two at twelve years old. Twelve years old,
and he never he was always gentlely and never pushed
the little fellows around, had beautiful control, never hit him.

Speaker 6 (02:29:03):
They were scared, of course. Yeah.

Speaker 17 (02:29:06):
Now I know that he was very active in sports.
Tell me a little bit about his little league baseball career.
What kind of a little leaguer was Hulkogan?

Speaker 3 (02:29:15):
Well, in my book played in the world a number
of times.

Speaker 6 (02:29:19):
I'm his father, and I I don't know. He was wonderful.

Speaker 14 (02:29:23):
He was a good picture. And of course I named
the Hawk the big train after walk shops and the
great right handed big trains, the old Washington souths which
some of your old timers may remember.

Speaker 17 (02:29:36):
But I understand, though, Pete, that that you had a
picture's mound built up in the backyard.

Speaker 14 (02:29:44):
I did. One night. I came home from work and
I went out to catch him, and uh, so the
hawk was firing that fastball. That mean it was getting
pretty dark, and I said, how I can't have me
see the ball in him home And the hawk said, Dad,
let me just throw one more. And my goodness, he

(02:30:07):
threw a fast, breaking ball and I was catching and
I saw it up here around my chest, and all
of a sudden it broke the fastest struck me right
in the middle of the belly.

Speaker 4 (02:30:18):
And I rolled over.

Speaker 6 (02:30:20):
The hawk came over break that out, and we laughed
a little bit.

Speaker 14 (02:30:26):
I said, what in the world possessed you to ever
throw that breaking fastball?

Speaker 3 (02:30:32):
But you know what you have to do.

Speaker 6 (02:30:34):
And Ruth, I know that it's out in the backyard.

Speaker 17 (02:30:36):
Still, is there a chance I could talk into showing
me in our in our audience, that picture's mount out
in the backyard, Glad.

Speaker 6 (02:30:45):
I want to take a look at it.

Speaker 17 (02:30:53):
Now, I understand, Roup, and Pete, this just looks where
a home plate, wasn't I correct? Beat correct, And you
would be over here behind the home plate catching hull
Cogan from over there on the pictures.

Speaker 6 (02:31:04):
Not some sixty feet aways that way.

Speaker 3 (02:31:05):
That's correct.

Speaker 6 (02:31:06):
You got to tell me something.

Speaker 9 (02:31:07):
How fast was that fastball to the Hawksters?

Speaker 14 (02:31:10):
Well, that fastball of the hawks did have clocked at
one hundred and five miles from now who clocked it.

Speaker 4 (02:31:16):
At one hundred and five miles?

Speaker 3 (02:31:18):
Hey, buzza.

Speaker 6 (02:31:24):
That boy, Elster. Welcome home.

Speaker 3 (02:31:31):
I knew i'd find you back here. Having a few
pops out myself.

Speaker 9 (02:31:35):
I've been here before.

Speaker 6 (02:31:36):
Hope.

Speaker 17 (02:31:36):
You had an opportunity to grow up in this home
with these two wonderful people. What was life like in
the early informative years for you with Ruth and Pete?

Speaker 9 (02:31:45):
I'll tell you it was great.

Speaker 6 (02:31:46):
Me and Geene.

Speaker 13 (02:31:46):
I just came from seeing a bunch of my friends
and they're all the same. And what's so neat about
this house and the foundation they laid for me and
these two people right here is all the things that
have happened, all the miles and trials and all the
things in the w w F great things in my career.
I'm still the same persons because of them.

Speaker 9 (02:32:03):
You haven't gone Hollywood.

Speaker 13 (02:32:04):
As they saying, Oh brother, got my feet on the ground.

Speaker 6 (02:32:06):
I'm glad to hear that.

Speaker 17 (02:32:07):
Well, Hulk I've got to tell you, the hospitality of
your mom and dad has been fantastic. And I understand
you've got something up your sleep for.

Speaker 13 (02:32:13):
Oh yeah, I came to get you because last night
I showed my mom and dad my new movie, Suburban Commando.
I've got it queued up at the beach.

Speaker 3 (02:32:22):
I need you. I want your opinion.

Speaker 4 (02:32:23):
Let's do it.

Speaker 6 (02:32:24):
Let's go.

Speaker 17 (02:32:25):
Thanks seeing you, seeing you, take care, thank you. I
got to see the movie, all right, you know, let's
go beat I'll be back for one a little later.

Speaker 3 (02:32:36):
On thoughts, I don't even know where to fucking begin
with that. There's like, I mean, having to call him
a hulk, yes, is maybe one of the most uncomfortable
things I've heard. The Hulk could pick me up up

(02:33:00):
and I'm his dad, but it's fine. The whole could
pick me up and here just throw me around sometimes
to throw me against the tree, and I'd say, okay,
let's do it again.

Speaker 2 (02:33:13):
I mean, it's that those are the people that apparently
would not pass on the message, and here they are.

Speaker 3 (02:33:21):
You know, well, come on, when he you know, after
he bottom like you know, two rolls royces, it's like, well,
all right, I guess I have to like this shit now, Yeah,
pretty much, pretty much? Wow, Jesus, So.

Speaker 2 (02:33:37):
There she is the ruth who would insist on measuring
people's height when they'd come over the house. According to Terry,
that's how he knows how big he was, because she
would they'll come over here and see how tall you are.

Speaker 3 (02:33:49):
It's just to me a favorite, just to come on in,
come on in. But you got to stand over here
for a moment. Stand over here, stand over here, don't move.
Take your shoes off, Take him off, take them off,
Take him the fuck off. You want my meat loaf?
You shut the fuck up. And you staying there, got
Jerry Briscoe calling over here? Oh yeah, I see how
is he now? Yeah? No, I guess you're not tall

(02:34:10):
And it's fine as long as you're not taller than
the Hulk to make sure he beats the shit out
of you if you need to.

Speaker 2 (02:34:21):
It's that's Those are the folks that apparently did not
want to pass along the message from kindly old Jerry Briscoe.
Just an amazing I mean, you go to the house,
you see all the things on the wall, The same
house they'd go to three years later, And that's Hulk
just running the playbook, you know, like he just he
just went to Turner and just did it all over again.

Speaker 3 (02:34:42):
Everything that worked. You know, let's involve my parents, like
when I won the title in the Garden, let's do
the the at home pieces. I don't understand this hot
Ticket what the fuck?

Speaker 2 (02:34:51):
Yeah, it was the only did it twice. It was
supposed to be like a five dollars pay per view
that you could just buy, and it was like a
one was Best of WrestleMania and one was Hulk Hogan whatever,
really American story, and it was and you know, I
didn't really know that the whole Coga and Hot Ticket
was called a real American story until we had called
this a real American story, which is true serendipity. But yeah,

(02:35:14):
it was just something that they would make available on
pay per view just to get a few more bucks
off you at a really cheap price.

Speaker 3 (02:35:21):
So that's wild, I mean, And I actually I just skimmed.
I just found downloaded the file and I skimmed through it,
and it's like, you know, the beginning is is you know,
the first what twelve thirteen minutes is like original stuff,
and all the rest of it is just matches. Yeah, well,

(02:35:44):
you know, for the most part, it's like a cash
competition tape almost. Yeah, but they it was almost like
they were trying to sell coliseum videos on pay per view,
is what it came off to. Is I don't know
why they called it hot ticket, Yeah, but that's what
they did. That's weird. So there you have it.

Speaker 2 (02:36:04):
The calls aren't getting through, and Jerry's got a call
Teresa or wherever the fuck her name is to pass
messages to Hulk, who may or may not be living
in a hotel at this time, and definitely not living
in this house that we just visited as part of
Hot Ticket.

Speaker 3 (02:36:18):
So I don't I don't know.

Speaker 2 (02:36:21):
But Briscoe maintains, including that interview with Brad, that he
was Hogan was put on the fast track because of
his size, and he says, in fact, even though this
is what Briscoe says, even though Terry had broken in,
had gone through all the training and had done matches,
he was still coming Tuesday nights to the Armory buying
a ticket to sit there and watch the matches. Can
you believe my god? I mean yeah, because he's probably like,

(02:36:44):
maybe I'll see me here. I know seriously for Brian
Blair who talked to Brad Bluccin as well. Of course
for the six Pack, that match with Terry leaves a
lasting impression did.

Speaker 12 (02:36:58):
And then you said that the rib was that after
fifteen minutes, they said, oh, another fifteen minutes.

Speaker 8 (02:37:02):
Yeah, they said fifteen minutes gone, because you know, we
I had already had, like I don't know, six weeks
with the matches.

Speaker 4 (02:37:09):
You'd have to check four weeks worth of matches.

Speaker 3 (02:37:12):
So I was kind of leading the match.

Speaker 4 (02:37:15):
A little bit.

Speaker 11 (02:37:15):
And I remember that either either he had me in
a chinlock or I had him in the chin lock,
and I can't.

Speaker 8 (02:37:26):
Remember the second, but anyway, he said, look the boys
are I said, yeah, look all the boys are out.
They look over there, and we're talking about the boys
all watching the match. We're having a heck of a match, and.

Speaker 4 (02:37:37):
We're kind of talking, and so.

Speaker 8 (02:37:42):
We heard five minutes gone. I remember five minutes were gone,
and I remember ten minutes we're gone. And now I
was getting clock conscience because I knew it was a
fifteen minute match and it was time to it was
time to pick it up and go home. So we
would seem like there was like a minute, two minutes left,
and I'm waiting for the guy to say, you know,

(02:38:04):
he's not counting down fifteen minutes or three minutes left
or whatever giving us the time. So I decided that
it was time to go home to kick it in,
and we did. We gave it everything we had, and
they were doing good, and all of a sudden, you know,
fall finish one too, fall finish one two.

Speaker 4 (02:38:24):
And I can't think of any more moves.

Speaker 8 (02:38:27):
We were out of our repertoire, breathing, and all of
a sudden, all of a sudden, the announcer, the timekeeper
fifteen minutes gone, fifteen minutes to go, and right away
I looked over towards the Briscoes and they're laughing, and
Pat Patterson and Ivan Colof and Don Rocco and all

(02:38:48):
of them are over there, laughing their fannies off, and
we were just stuck in the middle of the ring,
and I was like, the worst match that I recall
for the US right, fifteen minutes terrible.

Speaker 2 (02:39:02):
There's a guy called wu double Up on on Ax.
He posts a lot of great vintage wrestling stuff, and
upon the forty eighth anniversary of that match with Brian Blair.
He recalled getting his hands on a program from that
night with a list of matches including Brian Blair versus
Terry Boleya, and he posted on next one, I showed

(02:39:24):
Hulk this piece. This is at an autograph signing with
the original program in card. He was surprised to see it.
I asked him to sign and write whatever came to
his mind. He actually thought about it for a while
with a couple of baffling HMMs. You can picture that
his thoughts were. And what did you What did he
write on it? Terry Boleya still a mark? He wrote, wow,

(02:39:50):
because he felt like a mark that night, because he
was once again taken for a ride, and this business
is going to apparently completely run towards his insecurities at
a fucking warp speed any chance they get. And uh,
he felt like a mark then, and I guess feel

(02:40:11):
like a mark today, probably remembering too that if Brisco's
telling the truth, he's still buying tickets to watch the
big Tuesday night shows, even though he supposedly in the business.
You start, you start to get the hint after a while,
you know what I mean, You start to get hint
after a while yep, but yeah, they you know, they
saw a lot in him.

Speaker 3 (02:40:27):
They well, how y'all understand this is all part of
how we broke people into the business at the time,
paying does. The way we broke.

Speaker 2 (02:40:37):
People into business at the time was to make them
feel like they were laughing stocks and pieces of ship
and idiots for coming back after we hurt them. The
way the way that we broke them in is we
tried to push him away as felt hard as we
could not, telling them it's fake and it's you know,
if they came back, and then we wanted to use them.

Speaker 17 (02:41:00):
And jack.

Speaker 3 (02:41:06):
Shit. He said shit at the end.

Speaker 2 (02:41:10):
So they rematched as mentioned on August tenth, they had
the match. August eleventh, they rematched Blair versus ble A
Winter Unknown for that second showdown in Chiefland. Then they
went to Tallahassee on August nineteenth of nineteen seventy seven
at the Sports Stadium in the state's capitol, and again
it was Brian Blair, this time versus Super Destroyer. And

(02:41:30):
at that point, Brian Blair leaves Hult Cogan's wrestling life
as far as I can tell, until they reunite in
the WWF. For someone who was such a long time
friend of Hogan and a fellow tampad and all of that,
and you know, shared the ring with him for his
formative experiences as a wrestler before live audiences. They would

(02:41:50):
part ways in terms of their respective journeys in the
business for quite a few years. Brian Blair shortly after
this would be making tracks to Bill Wats's Mid South promotion,
where he developed as a single star to a much
gridder degree.

Speaker 3 (02:42:04):
So here he is Brian.

Speaker 2 (02:42:05):
Blair recalling to Brad Belucian that last meeting with Terry
Boleya in Florida before making his way to Mid South.

Speaker 8 (02:42:13):
Yeah, after that, you know, I went to I went
on my own on the road and we gave each
other a big hug.

Speaker 4 (02:42:20):
I'll never forget that day.

Speaker 8 (02:42:22):
And he gave me some of those caffeine pills because
we knew I had to drive to Louisiana, so he said, here, man, take.

Speaker 4 (02:42:28):
Some of these caffeine.

Speaker 8 (02:42:30):
So that made help me get to Louisiana safely and
without having to pay for a hotel. Because you know,
we'd always learn it's not how much you make, it's
how much you.

Speaker 4 (02:42:42):
Save, and so they were always saving.

Speaker 12 (02:42:44):
So you said that you always read so that that
was when you and you and Terry say goodbye because
you were hitting the road.

Speaker 8 (02:42:52):
Yeah, because I was hitting the road. It's kind of difficult,
you know. That was a bittersweet day. I remember it
like yesterday.

Speaker 4 (02:43:01):
What was?

Speaker 9 (02:43:02):
Can you say more about?

Speaker 6 (02:43:03):
What was?

Speaker 4 (02:43:03):
What do you mean by well? We had just got
done working out.

Speaker 8 (02:43:07):
It was my last day in the territory, in the
gym and everything, and we were just sitting in the
locker room and still full of sweat, just shooting a
breeze and talking about Bill Watson's territory and talking about
the drive, you know, and he was telling me to

(02:43:29):
be careful, make sure I had the right routes. He's
like being a big brother all the time, you know,
to me, tell me not to drive sleepy. Whatever you do,
don't drive sleepy, sleepy, pull over, don't get sleepy. Bust
the caffeine because he knew I wasn't a coffee drinker
or anything like that.

Speaker 3 (02:43:47):
So goodbye to Brian Blair. Wow.

Speaker 2 (02:43:51):
He continues on in Championship Wrestling from Florida. August twenty fifth,
nineteen seventy seven in Jacksonville, Florida. He rematches his very
first opponent, Don Serrano as Super Destroyer according to results
and now comin ended without a winner at a time
limit draw, not the kind of time limit draw where
they announced fifteen more minutes, by the way, followed that

(02:44:11):
up the next night in Tallahassee August twenty sixth, nineteen
seventy seven, where Super Destroyer meets Great Befisto, who was
another longtime veteran masked wrestler in the territory.

Speaker 3 (02:44:21):
Winner unknown.

Speaker 2 (02:44:22):
In that one, we moved to the second month of
Terry Moulaya's in ring wrestling career September nineteen seventy seven,
kicked off September seventh, a second pardon me of seventy
seven at the Sports Stadium in Tallahassee once again as
Super Destroyer faced Tony Rocco Winter Unknown there September ninth,
nineteen seventy seventh the Sports Stadium, again in Tallahassee. Gordon Nelson,

(02:44:43):
who Hulk has mentioned to somebody that they put him
in the ring with after he returned from the Metsuda
injury and stuck it out for another year. Gordon Nelson
was a respected shooter and catch wrestler or at least
a guy who knew the catches Catchkin Style and Hulk,
remember that, being brutal those sessions with Gordon Nelson, but
he worked him in September nine, seventy seven. September tenth,

(02:45:03):
seventy seven to the Bayfront Center in Saint Pete, Super
Destroyer teams with Mike York for Terry Blay's first tag
team match. So there's an answer to your trivia question.
Who was Helkogagin's very first tag team partner Mike York
as he defeats Tony Rocco and Don Serrano. So that,
as far as I can tell, you know, of course,
unless these win are unknowns were wins, would be also

(02:45:24):
Terry Bullaya's first win in the professional wrestling ring right there,
September tenth, nineteen seventy seven, in a tag team match.
They moved to Fort Myners on the twenty first of
September nineteen seventy seven at the National Guard Armory where
Great Mephisto faces Super Destroyer Winter or Unknown. They moved
to Tallahassee on September twenty third, nineteen seventy seven, at
the Sports Stadium in Tallahassee, Don Serrano again faces off

(02:45:46):
against Super Destroyer win Or Unknown September thirtieth, seventy seven
Sports Stadium, Tallahassee, Great Mephisto versus Super Destroyer win Or Unknown.
We moved to October nineteen seventy seven and CWF hits Gainesville,
Florida at the High School. There in October four, nineteen
seventy seven, Charlie Cook, a longtime veteran of the circuit
in the area, faces Super Destroyer winner Unknown. Championship Wrestling

(02:46:08):
from Florida hits Gainesville again at the high School and
late This is the same show, but later on there
was a Battle Royal featuring none other than Andre the Giant,
as well as Don Rocco, Buddy Roberts, Jerry Briscoe, Massa Saieto,
Steve Kern, and others. Willem Ruska also included in the
eleven man Battle Royal was a Super Destroyer. We don't

(02:46:30):
know who won the Battle Royal, but we do know
that Terry Bolea worked twice that night, and as far
as I can tell, I would like to present to
you the very first time who that hul Cogan was
in the ring with Andrea the Giant. Wow Market down bitches,
and it's lap serendipity because October fourth, that's when we're
coming around to record this. Nineteen seventy seven October fourth,

(02:46:52):
nineteen seventy seven, Gainesville, Florida, an eleven man Battle Royal. Now,
it's possible that some of these other cards that we've
referenced the far had Andre on them as well, but
Andre was typically brought into territories like Florida just to
work Battle Royals. That was the big attraction when he'd
go out to San Francisco and Los Angeles and so
many other places, as well as Bill Watts's territory in

(02:47:13):
Texas as well. So wouldn't surprise me if this was
also the first time that Bolea was even on the
same card as Andrea the Giant Wow and what I
imagine to be amongst that history ten years before WrestleMania three,
This Terry Boleya we're talking about, that's the butt of
the joke that has kind of awkward and barely grown
into his body and doesn't know his ass from the

(02:47:34):
hole in the ground in terms of the ring, and
is pretty close to trying to quit the business because
of how it's not going well for him is in
the same building as the guy that they'd filled the Pontiacil.
We're done with ten years. The difference ten years made
back then is so much greater than the difference ten
years makes today. Man, Honest to God, that's crazy. I

(02:47:54):
may think of twenty fifteen. Is it really that much
different from twenty twenty five? Yeah, especially with the pro wrestling.

Speaker 3 (02:48:02):
Not really right, No, I mean not at all, but.

Speaker 2 (02:48:05):
The wrestling Hull Kegan is in right here in seventy
seven and the wrestling they were in in nineteen eighty seven.
Jesus Christ, it's amazing. But needless to say, is the
complete Hulkegan unfolds. Andre the Giant is going to be
one of the absolute most central recurring characters, and it's
extremely important to track where Andre is visa VI Terry
all these years, not just where Terry is. So when

(02:48:27):
they moved to Tallahassee on October seventh of seventy seven,
Raoul Manta faces Super Destroyer the Sports Stadium win or
Unknown back of Telhassee on the seventh. Later on that card,
another Battle Royal featuring Andre as well as Super Destroyer,
So again back to back nights. Rocky Johnson was also
in that one c WF Saint Petersburg October eighth, nineteen
seventy seven. Steve Kern, the Future Skinner and Fabulous One

(02:48:50):
defeats Super Destroyer, the same guy he remembered in the
crowd folding his arms because he didn't believe that Steve
Kern could out muscle Superstar Graham in a mid ring
test of strength. And now they're sharing the ring together.
October eighth, seventy seven. We got along pretty well, brother,
And come to think of it, that's probably why Mike
Graham hated me too, because they were buddies, Steve Current

(02:49:10):
and Mike Graham. And to see him in there at
the ring with me, brother and cooperating and kind of
getting along dude, and seeing this rock and roll high
and being okay with him, I probably pissed my Graham off.

Speaker 3 (02:49:20):
Now, brother, what? Brother? Why is Mike Graham always coming
out with my ass? Dude? Did you tell Mike Graham
you're talking to Mike Graham? Who's talking to Mike Graham? Brother?

Speaker 2 (02:49:34):
I mean that's the earliest who of you talking to?
Have you been talking to? And Terry's talking to Mike Graham?

Speaker 3 (02:49:39):
Brother? Was Mike Grhand talking to Eddie Graham for sure.
He's his son. Why son, Pete Pete Hogan.

Speaker 2 (02:49:54):
Pete the Hulk. I don't talk to the Holt's dad.

Speaker 3 (02:49:57):
I don't talk to the Hulk.

Speaker 2 (02:50:01):
Was in the backyard throwing the fastball.

Speaker 3 (02:50:04):
The Hulk at all. It's like that is actually the
green Hulk, you know, an incredible It's like a figure
back there. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:50:12):
Right on that Saint Petersburg card where Steve Kern faced
a Super Destroyer, there was another Battle Royal one by
Ivan Colof that Hulk Hogan participated in, as did Dutch
mantel Jack and Jerry Briscoe mass Societo. Mike Graham was
in their brother brother so they shared the ring early.
They go to Miami for the first time for Terry

(02:50:34):
on October twelfth, nineteen seventy seven at the Miami High
Live fronton where Super Gladiator defeated Super Destroyer. I'm not
sure who super Gladiator was, but he was the superior
super wrestler on this night defeating Super Destroyer. If anyone
in the comments on Patreon can look up super Gladiator,
that would be appreciated. Hogan's like third or fourth cousin whatever.

(02:50:55):
Mike Austin would later use the name Gladiator in FMW
before coming to ECW. CWF Fort Lauderdale, October fourteenth, nineteen
seventy seven. Super Destroyer defeats No Faces. Wilhelm Ruska, the
former Olympic judo medalist, the first in the Great Trivia question,
the first gold medalist to wrestle on the WWF, and
in fact somebody you see in those sparing clips of

(02:51:18):
Terry Boley working out the Sportatorium before breaking in as
a wrestler, you see Wilhelm Ruska kind of throw him
over his shoulder, Remember that bump Terry Bola takes that
kind of throw. Yeah, yeah, So Wilhelm Ruska there. So
he's getting in the ring with people that he says
later in interviews he was training with in the sportatorium,
which which makes some sense. You know, if they're training

(02:51:38):
you for the ring behind closed doors in front of
the people, you probably feel more comfortable being led by
them as well, and that probably helps you learn a
lot faster than working with people of similar experience level
to yourself. What a novel concept these days? That is
CWF good some Melbourne Florida next to October twentieth, nineteen
seventy seven, where Super Destroyer faces super Gladiator once again,

(02:51:58):
Winner unknown, this time CWF Twen Lahassee October twenty first,
nineteen seventy seven, to the Sports Stadium. Charlie Cook faces
off against Super Destroyer Winner Unknown. CWF Lakeland, Florida. October
twenty second, nineteen seventy seven at the Lakeland Civic Center.
Charlie Cook defeats the Super Destroyer. So's he's very much
counting the lights. I'm pretty sure all of these winner
unknowns are probably not victories for him either. And October

(02:52:21):
twenty eighth, nineteen seventy seven, CWF Fort Lauderdale, the National
Guarden Armory, John Boy Ruffin faces Super Destroyer Winner Unknown.
Let's get some more texture on some of these cards.
If you can open up that folder that we've been
looking at courtesy of Laomi Matt the nineteen seventy five
to seventy eight one, and you go over in the

(02:52:43):
second row all the way to the right, you'll see
the August eighth, nineteen seventy seven. So this is the
John Harrol John Carroll High School, Jim the very first
show he wrestled on that we were just talking about.
This is from the book Florida Matt Warris, by the Way,
which is a very helpful resource to understanding this time period,
particularly considering how little in the way of video seems

(02:53:04):
to have survived from this time period, and how little
in fact of consequence looking back historically that was happening
in FCW actually was reflected on television at all. So
we go from that image. If you have it there, Boss,
which one it again? This is a set nineteen seventy seven,
eight nine c WF Fort Pierce, Florida, second row all
the way to the right. Second from the right, and

(02:53:25):
you'll see Florida Matt Wars. The year was nineteen seventy
seven at the top of the image, and then you'll
see John Carroll High School gym. This is what those
wrestling ads looked like, just two guys laying on the mat.
It looks kind of like Pat Patterson making this guy
blow him, honestly, So maybe it wasn't true that whole story. Yeah,
So we move forward and you'll see the next one.

(02:53:47):
There it is that's where he signed his name. Still
a mark is still a mark.

Speaker 3 (02:53:50):
That's fucking hilarious.

Speaker 2 (02:53:51):
Next one we see NBA wrestling with former world champion
Jack Briscoe challenging Pat Patterson. Briscoe Jerry Briscovers great in
the fisto Rick all Over Verser for Sean. So that's
kind of like the poster for.

Speaker 3 (02:54:02):
It in Chiefland.

Speaker 2 (02:54:03):
And if you could read here, here's the snippet and
what this is is basically how they reported out the
match against Brian Blair that we just read from his
book and heard the interview about a capacity.

Speaker 3 (02:54:14):
Crown was on him Thursday night, August eleventh to watch
Jack Briscoe defeat Lars Anderson in the feature wrestling match
at the Chiefland High School Gym. Several hundred fans were
turned away for lack of sufficient seating space. It's also
called a sellout. Good say exactly.

Speaker 2 (02:54:34):
Oh, but you know what's funny about that? Several hundred
fans were not turned away. Yeah, it's happened, but you
see funny enough, several hundred fans were also turned off
by fake wrestling. You can see why the results databases
list this as Blair versus Terry Blaya instead of Super Destroyer,
even though the pictures in Blair's book have bolea under
the hood. It'd be very strange, I think to present

(02:54:55):
a wrestler that looks like a fucking guy that cuts
your head off in medieval times, right, I call him
Terry Bowl. Hey uh, but that's apparently right because there
it is, right there on the poster it says Terry
Bola versus Brian Blair.

Speaker 3 (02:55:08):
So uh, Anderson, who just arrived in Florida, was disqualified
for throwing brisco over the top rope. Prior to this point,
it had been a pretty even scrap. Jerry Briscoe took
the measure of the Great Mephisto, using the figure for
leg Lock to defeat his Arabian opponent. Gordon Nelson defeated
Crystal Rivers Rick Oliver. Brian Beeper Blair Deeper was his

(02:55:34):
boyhood nickname. Yeah, I wouldn't have shared that with anybody.
What the Beeper number? Yeah, I would never have shared that. Yeah, No,
that's stupid. That was my nickname when I used to
sell drugs in nineteen ninety six too, I like, I
would not have I wouldn't have shared that with anybody.

(02:55:57):
That's where b.

Speaker 2 (02:55:58):
Brian Blair comes from because when he went to work
for Vince. He was like, Brian's kind of there's a
million Brians. Can we come up with something? And he says, well,
my name was Beeper, Brian Blair or bebe I'm sorry
what now? So he says, b Brian Blair is your name?

Speaker 3 (02:56:10):
Sorry? Wait wait, I'm sorry Beeper? Beeper? What does that
even mean? Behind the wheel?

Speaker 4 (02:56:16):
Beeper?

Speaker 3 (02:56:17):
What do you don't understand? Explain Beeper to me? We
have a Beefer already and we got we got, we
got beef cake or you want to be beep cake?
Is that something, Brian Beepcake Blair? Is that something you're
sitting in?

Speaker 2 (02:56:30):
The Killer beat the Killer beep cakes, the Killer beep
Killer beeps, the Killer beeps the Killer about you know what?

Speaker 1 (02:56:38):
What?

Speaker 3 (02:56:38):
What is of interest to you? Because honestly, that's that's
why I'm here, That's why I'm spending so much time,
because I honestly care what you think. Tell me, I'm
curious about your experience. I don't fucking care about your
goddamn name.

Speaker 2 (02:56:49):
Tell me where in your name I should leave a
message pal.

Speaker 3 (02:56:52):
Tell me tell you what? Tell me where? Tell me
the name that you have at an address? And I'm
going to send you your final check there right now. Ohause,
I'm fucking done. It just started. They're coming up with
a name. You didn't do anything. You're sitting there. You
have stupid names. Vince works himself into a lather.

Speaker 2 (02:57:14):
Beeper Brian Beeper. Blair went to a draw with the
Super Destroyer in the first match of the even Okay,
so the poster advertising the show and come on, come
on down ringside four dollars. General Mission III, says Brian
Blair versus Terry Bolea. The write up of the results
calls him Super Destroyer.

Speaker 3 (02:57:33):
So you tell me what do you want?

Speaker 2 (02:57:37):
I don't understand. It's fine either way, it's not wrong. Yeah,
if you say both, I guess. I guess you can't
be wrong. That's true, not one hundred percent wrong.

Speaker 3 (02:57:50):
Oh Jesus. The chief Land High School Athletic Fund realized
over over one thousand dollars for sponsoring the event. I'm
glad realized it realized they had misplaced over there, and
a thousand dollars isn't written in numerics either, it's spelled out. Yeah,
I'm sure the Chiefly and High Athletic Fund was glad

(02:58:14):
to have the money I'm sure that went to a
lot of jockstraps for a lot of athletes.

Speaker 2 (02:58:18):
Let's move to the next one. Here's a clip from
the Tallahassee Democrat Sunday, August fourteen, seventy seven. There's Rocky
Johnson right there, the father of the Rock, facing Buddy Wolf.
So the ties that bind would the great one go
way way back?

Speaker 3 (02:58:30):
Brother?

Speaker 2 (02:58:30):
I mean, come on, look at Briscoe's face in that picture. Fine,
looks like a nineteen seventies superstar.

Speaker 3 (02:58:36):
I understand. I mean, this guy was world champion. I know,
I know.

Speaker 2 (02:58:41):
That's what I keep saying about how different it was then.

Speaker 3 (02:58:45):
What I love too, is that is that Jerry brisco
Jack's Jack. Yeah that's Jack, but he's not even on
the card. I don't see his name. Jerry Briscoe's on
the card, not Jack. Maybe that is Jerry. It looks
like Jack to me. It looks like Jack to me
too very much. So well, maybe they didn't care. Yeah

(02:59:06):
they probably. Well Brisco's a brisk Oh who fucking gives
a shit?

Speaker 2 (02:59:09):
Who is on the card?

Speaker 3 (02:59:10):
Brian super Destroyer? There we go, super Destroyer. We move ahead.

Speaker 2 (02:59:17):
Here is a big night of action in Jacksonville, August
twenty fifth. According to this boaster, the w w WF
Championship was on the Wow Superstar Billy Graham faced Dusty Rhodes,
as well as Don Morocco versus Ivan Koloff. So again,
another example of the ties that bind between the New
York and Florida offices at the time and below their
Boss is a write up of Thursday Night's action.

Speaker 3 (02:59:38):
Yep, Thursday Night's wrestling results from the Jacksonville Coliseum Super
Destroyer and Don Serrano drew. That's great. Take sure many's
a draw? See yeah, so the rematch there the draw?
Uh Mike York Michael York really from I eight from
Austin Powers and Cabaret Michael York he qualifies then, yeah,

(03:00:01):
that's right. Defeated Brian Blair, Mister Saito defeated Tony Rocco,
Lars Anderson defeated Scott Casey, Charlie Cook and Jerry Briscoe
defeated dutch Man Tel and Keith Franks. Don Morocco defeated
Ivan Colof and Dusty Rhade defeated Billy Graham.

Speaker 2 (03:00:21):
That must have been something to read that and think
that Dusty.

Speaker 3 (03:00:24):
Road just won the title, right, and they don't need
to know if it's a disqualification or not. It doesn't
fucking matter.

Speaker 2 (03:00:30):
He won another reason for the Dusty, then you win
the title. No, I don't know who cares. It's fake,
that's right. So that that made the Dusty finish even
more palatable. Back then, the people reading the results in
the newspapers wouldn't even know if he won the belt
or not. Moving forward, this is August twenty sixth, nineteen
seventy seven. Again it's Graham at this time against Rocky Johnson.
He's listed as WWWF Champions still. So apparently Dusty didn't

(03:00:52):
win the belt the night before, Yeah, right, Jerry Brisco
versus Lauras Anderson, Brian Blair versus mister Saito, Scott Casey,
Verstutch Mantel, and there is the great fist over a
super Destroyer. So he's making the poster, you know, that's yeah,
that's not nothing. He's making the vague Yeah, for sure.
That's the twenty six We move ahead to this clipping
from the twenty eighth Tallahassee Democrat.

Speaker 3 (03:01:10):
The grudge match.

Speaker 2 (03:01:11):
In the headliner, Don rock I'm glad you fucking got
the uh, I'm glad you finally got the fucking you know,
the messages he's working every night. Absolutely yeah, those these
came through apparently a super destroyer to face Tony Rocco,
Bell time, eight thirty pm. Just, I mean, just quickly,
can you imagine living in a time where like box
ads like this in the newspaper is how you found

(03:01:32):
out about the matches coming to your town.

Speaker 3 (03:01:35):
I mean the idea too. I mean, what a way,
what a way to get kids invested in like sifting
through the newspaper.

Speaker 2 (03:01:43):
I know, true, you know, tell what we're seeing, like,
describe the scenic what you know?

Speaker 3 (03:01:51):
We get this this, like you said, a box ad,
and you've got some some head clippings of of a
bunch of the uh floating heads right, floating heads around
like like kind of you know, old movie posters. In
a way, you've got a drawing of of two gentlemen wrestling.

(03:02:13):
It looks like somebody's got him, please got him in
a in a uh and drop type of crucifix type maneuver.
You got the n w A logo, and then you've
got you know, you get your typical billing of of
of of matches. But it's it's great because I get
it gives you obviously the main matches that you're gonna watch,
and and just the idea that you know you you

(03:02:35):
you'd want to. Dad, give me the paper, right, I
gotta see what the matches are. I want to know
if I'm gonna go Sunday or Monday or wherever the fuck?
Come on, Dad, stop taking a ship's good luck with that.

Speaker 1 (03:02:51):
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Speaker 3 (03:04:15):
Yeah, John, you know my shit's take at least two
hours in the afternoon. Leave me alone. I got ninety
minutes left to get the ship out of my ass. Okay,
that you live in it. You live in it. You

(03:04:36):
live in a house, one bathroom. But you know, between
five and seven, Dad is not to be disturbed.

Speaker 2 (03:04:47):
Because well because he's I'm sorry. You can give a
man his solitude. But that's two hours, you know what
I mean, that's two hours and it's not even a
silent two hours.

Speaker 3 (03:05:06):
He's screaming, he's he's moaning, he's reaching the height of
ecstasy in there. You've got like the slounds of futter
of fluttering anus as He's just like, ah, I wit,
you haven't thought much about what a fluttering a it
sounds like lately. Well, we're here to fix that. Yeah,

(03:05:29):
oh my god. He's he's letting go. He says, the
bottom just fell out, Son, the bottom just fell out.

Speaker 2 (03:05:39):
Kaboom, I get cab boom, big one. I got a
big one, cresting sun. Now, this is just remind people
this is coming up? Why as we look at this
newspaper ad from nineteen seventy seven, why is it coming up?

Speaker 3 (03:05:50):
How do we get here? I just try to follow
in case the people get us. We were just looking
at a newspaper ad. You were describing it rather well.
He's talking about the excitement of a kid wanting to
read the news paper to find out when the wrestling
matches were. But dad's dad's gotta be shitter. It's dad's time.

(03:06:12):
You can't read the paper until Dad's done in the shitter.
Can I ask you a question? What episode was it
that they John, I still got a half hour. Leave
me the fuck alone, nice guy. I keep mind he

(03:06:37):
came home from working five o'clock and goes right into
the fucking bathroom. Watch channel with the two hours as this,
Adam the Telehauseie Democrat says.

Speaker 2 (03:06:45):
To the bottom, watch channel six for TV wrestling. You
half went fucking missing chromosome. Motherfuckers.

Speaker 3 (03:06:54):
Lady didn't say, watch channel six for radio wrestling.

Speaker 2 (03:06:58):
TV wrestling not too big confused with rito wrestling.

Speaker 3 (03:07:02):
You know that's what that means. You know what that's
what that means. Definitely also a difference between film wrestling.

Speaker 2 (03:07:08):
To the next clipping, we go, also from the Tallahausee Democrat,
Sunday September fourth main event, Rocky Johnson and Lars Anderson.
How about an Australian tag team match Scott Casey and
Charlie Cook faced Tony Marino in Dutch mantello? You tell
me what's Australian about.

Speaker 3 (03:07:22):
Dutch man, tell Australia.

Speaker 2 (03:07:24):
Fucking kangaroo is a kangaroo. I mean, I know, the
fabulous Kangaroos. They always had Australian tag matches. Gordon Nelson
for Super Destroyer. So there it is Hulk Cogan meeting
Gordon Nelson. I mean, just think about this. Think about
like if people see this ad, they see Super Destroyer
and this would be the case for years, and no
idea was Hulk Cogan. Like we're looking at these things
and other names are way at the top with their

(03:07:45):
heads cut out, and Hulk fucking.

Speaker 3 (03:07:47):
Hogan is on this.

Speaker 2 (03:07:48):
No one even knows it, and it's not his name
even You've not even his real name nothing, just to
see Super Destroyer and whenever you see that, you know,
moving ahead to the September eleventh, Saint Petersburg Time Times,
what does this have to tell us here? Loss professional,
it's got it's got two dummies, almost like a road sign,
like don't cross. It's got or it's got like that,

(03:08:10):
you know, like the bathroom stall right sign right, like professional,
because there's another one with that icon and underneath it
says real or it says amateur right right right college
based at Bayfront Center. Saturday's results, Harley Race defeated Dusty

(03:08:30):
Roads disqualification. Superstar Graham defeated Rocky Johnson. No no, no,
Noess doesn't say.

Speaker 3 (03:08:41):
How he won. But I'm like the first match I haven't.
You can't.

Speaker 2 (03:08:45):
You can't say in the fucking floor to paper that
Dusty Roads lost to anybody without that's what that is.

Speaker 3 (03:08:52):
Ah, Lars Anderson defeated Jerry Briscoe. Mister Saito defeated Oh,
I'm sorry Lars Anderson to Jack brisco Mister Saito defeated
Jerry Briscoe. Briscoe is on the fucking Mike Graham and
Steve Kern defeated or No pe what brother P Steve

(03:09:13):
current P. Buddy Roberts pinned, I guess pinned, I guess Wow, Yeah,
there is a different B and P and Tony Marino
Dutch Mantel defeated Scott Casey, Keith Franks pinned Brian Blair.
Charlie Cook defeated Butcher of A Sean Mike York and
the Super Destroyer defeated Dom Serrano and Tony Rocco. I'm

(03:09:37):
glad that Togan's getting that win back on Don Serrano.

Speaker 6 (03:09:41):
Is that U?

Speaker 2 (03:09:42):
That's the tag match? Yeah, yep, yeah, yep, really good
stuff there. We move ahead to September fourteenth, nineteen seventy seven.
Clipping here This is from the Melbourne, Florida newspaper The
City Auditorium. It's going to be Petro Morales coming up,
coming down, rather as chance television champion to face Pat
Patterson in your main event, Mike Graham, BERSTONI Marino second

(03:10:04):
from the top in the semi final Bubba Douglas versus
Butcher rushaw Don Serrano versus Mike York and the Great
Mephisto versus Super Bowl Sponge Douglas Destroyer. I know it's
in the first Bubba he was, he was underneath. We
moved to September eighteenth, nineteen seventy seven, Tallahassee.

Speaker 3 (03:10:19):
So he had this fucking program with the Great Mefisto.

Speaker 2 (03:10:22):
Yeah, they went all over the place, mask verse mask,
Tallahassee Sports Stadium, Johnson versus Colough, Morales versus Mantel.

Speaker 3 (03:10:29):
What's a challenge match? Right, that's a great question.

Speaker 2 (03:10:32):
I can only assume it means one challenged the other,
and that's why this is happening as opposed to you know,
so they were booked.

Speaker 3 (03:10:39):
Yeah, right, exactly.

Speaker 2 (03:10:43):
So there's Wilhelm risk as well and Hulk continuing to
get work.

Speaker 3 (03:10:49):
As Serrano.

Speaker 2 (03:10:50):
Yes, the phone continues to ring. Here's Pat Patterson's floating
head from the Tallahasee Democrats in Prember twenty six to
seventy seven Morales and Patterson does say Ivan Colo for
no reason under Pat Patterson's name. Oh, it's a tag match.
I'm sorry, Rocky and Pedro versus Pat Patterson and I
have a cof.

Speaker 3 (03:11:07):
So is this the w w w F for? Is this?

Speaker 6 (03:11:10):
I know?

Speaker 3 (03:11:10):
Seriously, that's like all these all these New York talent
here coming down to Florida, Sight OVERSU Willhem Ruska in
a judo jacket match?

Speaker 4 (03:11:18):
Or is this.

Speaker 6 (03:11:20):
No?

Speaker 2 (03:11:20):
No, this is a Judd jacket Judd Apatow jacket man.
Actually Judd jacket match, probably a d U D D
jacket match, probably a Judd Nelson jacket man ship It's
a dud jacket match. By the time there it is,
Charlie Cook is Mike York Mephisto versus Super Destroyer. Advanced
Tickets of Friday thirty a m.

Speaker 3 (03:11:41):
What thirty a m. That's the start time for the show?

Speaker 10 (03:11:45):
What the fuck?

Speaker 2 (03:11:46):
That must be a that's a huge typo. If they
meant PM and said eight am, like, I mean, somebody
needs to get five fucking out there that we're gonna
have a Oh my god, Oh my god, I'm getting anxiety.

Speaker 3 (03:11:59):
Oh my god, Mom, can I please get the day
from school?

Speaker 11 (03:12:03):
No?

Speaker 3 (03:12:05):
No, you cannot to do?

Speaker 5 (03:12:07):
What to do?

Speaker 3 (03:12:08):
You want to go to the fake fights? You're gonna
waste your time, skip school, skip your education for the
fake fights? Fuck you? Oh my god. Um please, who's
gonna take you? I'm not gonna take you. I have

(03:12:28):
to watch my stories and your father's got work.

Speaker 17 (03:12:33):
Huh.

Speaker 3 (03:12:34):
Who's gonna take you?

Speaker 13 (03:12:36):
Not me?

Speaker 3 (03:12:37):
Moum, not me. You can buy the ticket, but I'm
not gonna take you. What mom? No, And that's final.
Talk to your father the fuck out of here. So

(03:13:03):
go to the next card.

Speaker 4 (03:13:04):
Here.

Speaker 3 (03:13:04):
This is Gainesville.

Speaker 2 (03:13:06):
This is from October fourth, seventy seven Battle Royal. There's
under the Giant and ten other men, which of course
included super Destroyer, who's listed Further down here.

Speaker 3 (03:13:16):
Is including everybody on the that's listed on the card
I know most likely.

Speaker 2 (03:13:21):
And there's a Sido's head and Steve Kern's head yep
October second, seventy seven tail hassee under the Giant Battle
Royal sideovers Rocky. This is where all these results come from.
By the way, and these results books are these clippings
like this. Here's a little little bit of editorializing.

Speaker 3 (03:13:36):
This is from the Sunday October Who's raal mata.

Speaker 2 (03:13:39):
Rau matta. He was a big Mexican draw in a
lot of Southern states. Yeah, he was a round forever.
He faced Super Destroyer here. That must have been an
interesting one against Hulkgan. So here is the Tampa Tribune, Sunday,
October ninth, nineteen seventy seven. Boss Morales beats Race, but
title stays.

Speaker 3 (03:13:56):
Oh yes, indeed, Peter Morales defeated world champion Harley Race
last night at the Bay Front Center, but won by
this qualification, meaning right, Race keeps his crown. Lars Anderson
defeated Don Morocco to retain the Florida title. Yes, Ivan
Coloff captured the fifteen man Battle Royal, and Steve Kern
defeated the Super Destroyer. Jerry Briscoe defeated Tank Patten, Mike

(03:14:19):
Graham whipped Tony Marino. That's what it says.

Speaker 1 (03:14:24):
I like that.

Speaker 3 (03:14:25):
Hogan's Hogan's up two matches above Jerry Briscoe and Mike Graham.
Good catch, good catch, yeap? So you get another one professional?

Speaker 2 (03:14:36):
Oh yeah, Saint Pete Times October ninth, seventy seven.

Speaker 3 (03:14:40):
William Ruska. Ruska defeated Mike York, Charlie Kirk defeated dutch
Man Tel, Buddy Roberts and Keith Frank defeated Raoul Matta
and Don Serrano. Mike Graham defeated Tony Marino, Jerry Briscow
defeated Tank Patton, Steve Kern defeated Super Destroyer, Ivan colf
and Mister Saiito defeated Rocky Johnson and Terry Gibbs, Ivan

(03:15:01):
colaf One fifteen Man Battle Royal, Lars Anderson defeated Don Morocco.
Pedro Morales defeated Harley Race disqualification you very much. We
moved to n AA Wrestling and w god so many.
I'm loving how they don't fucking care? Is that a
Who's that? To the right? Is that THEO Vaughn?

Speaker 2 (03:15:22):
Is that fucking Is that fucking like like Brokenholtz? Bruce
Pritchard from fucking uh from from Blockers? How do you
spell Pedro Morales?

Speaker 3 (03:15:33):
You tell me Pat Padre Morales. You know they wanted
to say Padre Padre versus Lars Anders this Carner, the
Florida Chapion Padre Morales, Amigo, my name is not Padre.

(03:15:58):
That's what it says on my card. The cards never wrong.
I don't care who you are.

Speaker 2 (03:16:05):
Well, the drawing card, the drawing card is never wrong.
And he's telling you it's not Podro, because that would
be fucking stupid if that was his name.

Speaker 3 (03:16:12):
Hey, Padre, just shit down all. I'm reading the cards. Padre,
Padre is the way it is. Where can you get advanced?
Where can you get advanced tickets for this? Advanced tickets

(03:16:34):
on sale at North Fort Myers High School Arcade cigar store.

Speaker 2 (03:16:45):
Yeah, let's send the kids at the fucking cigar store
to get the tickets for the matches.

Speaker 3 (03:16:49):
Hey, while you're down, get me at one of my stogies.

Speaker 2 (03:16:52):
I'm fascinated by this being on a Tuesday night. Yes,
at least at least it's at the night. At least
at least it's at night this time. I'm not fucking
eight thirty am Tuesdays when they ran the armory. Find
me the hisstorally in Tampa must be. But there's still
got other towns world. When you got Padro Morales, Yeah,
if you get out there, risco versus Patterson want to

(03:17:14):
match that must have been Jerry bris Wow, Charlie Cochsbarti Rodgers,
Will and Risko versus Super Destroyer and John Boy versus
Tony Marino. Here at the North Fort Myers High School,
imagine going like, I don't know, the principal's office to
get the tickets, you know, ah to the matches tonight.
Everyone's talking about it.

Speaker 3 (03:17:31):
I'm sorry, I'm sorry, but you are currently under uh
you know, you're you're on academic probation. You can't buy
tickets right for this, You're not allowed to be there.
You're on academic probation. Sir, You're not allowed to buy tickets.
He says, all right, you're not allowed to do things
at the school outside of your academic you know whatever.

(03:17:53):
So and unfortunately you sailed to endeavors and you unfortunately
you failed to classes, and therefore you are on academic probation,
meaning you cannot have fun.

Speaker 2 (03:18:06):
And I meaning also that I am within my rights
to kill you where you stand.

Speaker 3 (03:18:12):
I have and honestly, you know you did. You did
cross the line literally by crossing the line into the
principal's office. And when you are in academic probation, that
is that is you know that can call for call
for execution, excuse execution. All right, Well, at least we're

(03:18:34):
at least we're fair and measured. Here this is and
this is the way it's going to happen. And then
I'm going to call him the super Destroyer and he's
going to do it for me. Is that what you'd like, sir?
Is that what you'd like? Would you like to be
super destroyed? Sounds great, sounds scary at all? So we
move ahead here.

Speaker 2 (03:18:52):
This is a little bit of clipping, so that one
was from October ninth, seventy seven. This is October fourteenth,
seventy seven in the Miami Herald. We've got late breaking
news for the roads Race match. That's Hardley hartily anticipated.

Speaker 3 (03:19:07):
Roads Race counted out. Reprinted from late Thursday editions. Dussie
Rose and Harley Race were both counted out for a
no decision in the featured wrestling bout before three thousand
and seventy seven fans at the Miami at the Miami
Jai Al. That's Highlight.

Speaker 2 (03:19:28):
That's like a highlight racetrack betting thing the Miami Highlight
Front and Wednesday Night in other bouts, paid Roe Morales
and Rocky Johnson defeated Mister Saito and Ivan Colos.

Speaker 3 (03:19:39):
Jerry Brisco and Buddy Roberts wrestled to a draw. Pat
Patterson defeated John Boy. Keith Franks defeated Raul Matta. The
Super Gladiator defeated the Super Destroyer. Who was the Super Gladiator. Well,
we just said I don't know.

Speaker 2 (03:19:57):
I mean, I know that Mike Awesome used Glady elsewhere,
but I wanted people to help me out with that.
Let's see Super Gladiator wrestler Florida in nineteen seventies. Probably
Ricky Hunter says here, I don't know if that's true
or not. We're a full mask and had a Roman
style gladiator gimmick playing a heel feuded with the likes

(03:20:20):
of Dusty, Mike Graham, and Don Morocco. Sounds right tracks
Ricky Hunter, who became enhancement talent in the eighties in
WWF and worked under a mask as the Gladiator on WWFTV.
According to AI, I don't know if that's true or not,
but that's what we got. Thirty eight hundred fans WOW

(03:20:44):
seventy seven, October twelve, Wrestling of the Fort Lauderdale Guard
Armory returned Florida Championship match Lars Anderson versus Don Morocco,
Pat Patterson versus Mike Graham, John Boy.

Speaker 3 (03:20:52):
Vers Keith Franks. And there he is the Super Destroyer
versus willelm. Ruska.

Speaker 2 (03:20:56):
We move ahead to October eighteen seventy seven. Clipping here
Pat Patterson recibon cole Off. How about the two thousand
dollars Silver Dollar Challenge match.

Speaker 3 (03:21:05):
Swait, They're gonna get two thousand silver dollars. A lot
of silver dollars, Jesus Christ. And can you imagine like
having a bag full of coins like that, just whacking
someone in the head with it, no question. Look at
this Jerry Briscoe works Super Destroyer. See that's what's weird
is all these stories Jerry tells about this time period. Wow,
he's always on the sidelines, observing. He never says I

(03:21:25):
actually wrestled the guy. Now, just because it's advertised as
happening in this boaster doesn't mean it takes place because
it's listed at the Fort hesterally And according to Dusty
at least a Hogan never worked the hesterally, and if
you look at the results databases, he never worked asterally.
But here's a Tuesday, October eighteenth, nineteen seventy seven event
at the Hisstorally where Hogan is advertised to face Jerry Briscoe.
Must have never happened. That must have been one of

(03:21:47):
those phone calls that just didn't get through. Humbas.

Speaker 2 (03:21:50):
Yeah, one of those books guts that both just failed
to pass along. I'm not doing that shit for nobody,
but to go through the trouble of putting him in
the newspaper an advertisement is fascinating to me. But according
to the results, this match never happened. October sixteenth, seventy seven.
Another bit of newspaper clipping from Melbourne, Florida, where Rocky

(03:22:11):
Johnson faces Lars Anderson and a tag team match Mike
Graham and Steve Kern take on Tony Marino and Tank Patton,
Raoul Monte vs. Don Serrano and Super Destroyer versus Super Gladiator.
October sixteen, seventy seven. Tallahassie Democrat and a grudge match
that'll be Pat Patterson teaming with Rocky Johnson against Ivan
Coloff and Mister Ciuto. Don Morocco faces Tank Patten, Super
Gladiator versus Tony Marino and Yes, Super Destroyer versus Charlie Cook.

(03:22:34):
A couple of clippings here, This one Boss from the Tuesday,
October twenty fifth, nineteen seventy seven issue of the Tampa Tribune.

Speaker 3 (03:22:39):
We're out of Lakeland. I'm sorry, give me the date again.
I missed it. Oh, here we go, never mind, I
passed it. Uh. Anderson keeps wrestling title. Lars Anderson retained
his Florida heavyweight wrestling title here Saturday night, when Dusty
Rhodes was disqualified. In the Lakeland Civic Center Arena feature
bow Ivan col Off with a C and Mister Saiito

(03:23:04):
defeated Pat Patterson and Don Morocco, while Jerry Briscoe and
Mike Graham beat Keith Franks and quote Dutch unquote Mantel
quote Rocky unquote Johnson beat quote Buddy quote Brock.

Speaker 2 (03:23:17):
I think we know who's the editor of this one's name.

Speaker 3 (03:23:23):
The fucking real names. Those are not their fucking real names.
You will rot the quotes against body quotes Sack by
the way, quote Dusty unquote Rose by the way. I
forgot to put that one. Oh that's sick. Yeah, they
did cover it. They do not fucking call them. These
are not real names. Can I believe they put quotes
around it. I love it, Tony Marino defeat downed. Yeah,

(03:23:48):
I thought it's a drowned from.

Speaker 2 (03:23:51):
Thank god they are a synonym for defeated. I don't
know what I would have done. Thank God they didn't
put a typo on that one, right, Tony Marino. That'd
have been a bit that should have been a page,
one that wouldn't have been on a that wouldn't have
been in the little block on the sports section here.
But can I just ask you, living in Tampa opening

(03:24:13):
the paper looking for the results with your index finger, like,
can you tell me that that's not a better way
to live?

Speaker 3 (03:24:20):
You're looking your thumb, you know, going to the next page.
It's like my grandmother used to do when you read
me a story.

Speaker 2 (03:24:26):
But the fact that they've printed him, even if it's
a little small half column inch like yep, the fact
that they printed him and people turned to the newspaper
every day to see who won the wrestling matches in
their local circuit. Okay, there were people who were interested,
people who would call phone the sports editor if the
wrestling results were missing from that day's Tampa trip.

Speaker 4 (03:24:46):
No no, no, no, no no.

Speaker 2 (03:24:49):
I mean it was Dusty was wrestling Lars Anderson for
the Florida title last night, and I can't trust the
Tampa Tribune to tell me if Dusty is my new
Florida Heavyweight champion.

Speaker 3 (03:24:59):
You'll understand there that they're the people are on the
edge of their seats.

Speaker 2 (03:25:02):
Right, That's what That's what happens. That's what the caller
says to the editor. You understand that the people are
on the edge of their seats like.

Speaker 3 (03:25:09):
You fucking you fucking gidding me. You're on the edge
of your seat waiting to know a fucking fake result.
That's what you're waiting for.

Speaker 2 (03:25:17):
Imagine that you call the trip to find out who
won is You know it's not real, right, ma'am?

Speaker 3 (03:25:20):
You know that this ship is fake. You know that
there's no real Florida Heavyweight Champion. It's not a real thing.
Nobody fucking wins that ship. People are awarded that because
the script dictated it. And you want me to sit
here and and take up energy and time and calling it.
You want me to indulge you in this fucking fantasy.
Where where is it any say anywhere that I'm obligated

(03:25:42):
to do that. It's propaganda. This is propaganda. Wow, all right,
and you're falling for you're a fucking idiot. That's what
you get for calling the paper, the reader, the subscription,
the customer. This guy screams that his customer are marks
more than pro wrestlers did uh Don Serrano beat quote

(03:26:10):
John Boy unquote, Charlie Cook beat quote, super destroyer unquote
super destroyers both words and quotes. His first name isn't
super Wait hold on, I mean this is a different
person I don't know. And Pedro Gonzalez, there's no way,

(03:26:31):
there's no way that he just called Pedro Morales, Pedro Gonzalez,
Pedro Gonzale. That's definitely the LABS editor purposely doing any
only fifty three seconds to flatten quote tank unquote pattern.
Oh my god, Pedro Gonzalez, tremendous stuff. Oh my god,
this poor man, Padre Podro, Pedro Gonzales. That's what we

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do with the las, all lost in the wrestling lore
like anybody else. But then we bring it back to
earth by conveying to you how it was covered to
normal people and how seriously it was or was not.
They don't care, hope.

Speaker 2 (03:27:12):
Do you think anybody issued a spelling correction the next
day for Ivan cole Off.

Speaker 6 (03:27:16):
I hope not.

Speaker 3 (03:27:17):
Do you think anyone said that his name is Morales?
I don't fucking care.

Speaker 2 (03:27:21):
Can you picture? I mean, this must have been typed
up by some like intern at like twelve thirty at
night just to get it in the next day's paper.
And he's like taking the time to put quotes around
Dusty and Rocky and John.

Speaker 3 (03:27:33):
Because his editor is sitting over his shoulder.

Speaker 4 (03:27:35):
What it is?

Speaker 3 (03:27:36):
Yep, just a picture. That name is not real. That
name is not real. You put a fucking quote around
that name.

Speaker 2 (03:27:43):
We have a if you don't, we have editorial integrity
here at the Tribune.

Speaker 3 (03:27:46):
If you don't put a fucking quote around that name,
I'm going to strangle you to death with one fucking hind.

Speaker 4 (03:27:54):
Do it.

Speaker 3 (03:27:56):
We're I'll fucking kill you. Is it real? Or are
you selling a circus? I ain't selling nothing but papers. Wow,
great line that has to be in the movie.

Speaker 2 (03:28:11):
Because some guy comes in and tries to explain to
the editor like what selling is and how what these
guys do is kind of an art form. The only
thing I do anything I'm interested in selling is papers. Well,
in fairness, sir, I mean, if that's all you're interested in,
there are a lot of people in our readership that
are really interested in professional wrestling and want to know
who won the matches, not real peace. So if all

(03:28:33):
you're interested in is selling paper.

Speaker 3 (03:28:35):
Something, let me tell you something. All right, you listen,
you shut the fuck up, you listen to me. If that,
if those people they want to buy my newspaper, they're
not going to get their fucking fake results. They can
buy some of the newspaper that's going to lie to them.
You know what, I'll reach a compromise. That's fine. The
backpage of the sports section in seat of sport to

(03:28:55):
the top, you know what's gonna say, fake theater, fake
sports theater. Pretend we have it. We'll have a theater
two sections. A theater section in the right section. Okay,
there'll be a theater. They'll tell you what. There'll be
a theater section where we talk about all the plays
and the musicals going on. And then the very last page,
at the very asshole of the fucking newspaper, we'll have

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theater two and to give you.

Speaker 2 (03:29:18):
An idea, give an idea how it would read. I'm
going to take this article right here from October twenty fifth,
and I'm going to rewrite it for you in the
style that we plan to use in the theater section.
So for example, it'll read Anderson keeps wrestling title Lakeland.
And the thing it'll say is it'll say in the
first sentence, the script writers at Florida Championship Wrestling decided
that Lars Anderson would retain his Florida Heavyweight title here

(03:29:40):
Saturday night, okay, at the at.

Speaker 3 (03:29:42):
The Florida Championship Wrestling Theater Company. All right, on this
stage scripted Lars Anderson followed the script it just to victory.
Imagine that os Anderson was scripted to win his wrestling

(03:30:05):
match because it's not real lead sentence, because it's it's
They didn't even they didn't like father to explain what
they mean by it's it's not real. People are like,
what the fuck is this?

Speaker 14 (03:30:21):
Like?

Speaker 2 (03:30:21):
Between you see whe's his Tampa Tribune and where it
says Anderson keeps just between that, Just hit enter a
couple of times and insert the word scripted and then
underline it just as a subhask.

Speaker 3 (03:30:36):
Scripted Anderson keeps. That'll be in quotes. Maybe it won't
be actor Anderson keeps wrestling title. Well, maybe we'll.

Speaker 2 (03:30:48):
Get some more, some more editorial integrity on the on
the right side of the page. Here this is the
same day, October twenty fifth, seventy seven. But this is
the Ledger newspaper and their coverage. I don't see any
quick with the Patriot Ledger. No, I don't think so,
just the Ledger. In Florida, Lars Anderson defends his heavyweight title.
Lars Anderson successfully defended his Florida Heavyweight championship Saturday night

(03:31:11):
at the Lakeland Civic Center when his opponent, Dusty Quote
the American Dreams Road That's fine Yes, was disqualified for
heaving the champ over the top of the top ring
ropes before a record crowd of over four thousand cheering
wrestling fans. The tough twosome of Ivan Cole off with

(03:31:33):
a C Japan's Mister Saito, out manned the tag team
of Pat Patty. You can never out man Pat Patterson.
I'm sorry.

Speaker 3 (03:31:44):
Pat Patterson. Don Morocco. It took the barefooted Pedro Morales. Yep. See,
we can definitely guarantee that it's not a different guy.
It's a different guy. It is Pedro Morales and Pedro Gonzales,
same guy.

Speaker 2 (03:32:00):
It's not like he's one of the biggest stars in
the business in Madison Square Garden in New City.

Speaker 3 (03:32:05):
I mean also, it's not like it's, you know what,
like the nineteen sixties and he's just breaking in or something.
This is nineteen seventy seven, all right, Like he's in
his prime right now. God, that took the barefooted Pedro
Morales just fifty two ticks of the clock to whip
Tank Patten, who just returned from a tour of the Orient. Yeah.

(03:32:30):
Rocky Johnson destroyed Buddy Roberts in a wild and wooly
match that lasted the fifteen minute time limit and other
exciting bouts. Jerry Briscoe and Mike Graham team together to
destroy the combo of Keith Franks and Dutch Mantel. Tony Marino,
better known as the Italian Stallion, defeated Raoul Mottka Modka
What is Modka Motka Latte now right, While Charlie Cook,

(03:32:58):
formerly of the Pittsburgh Steelers, quipped Super Destroyer Wrestling will
return to the Civic Center on Saturday, November twelfth.

Speaker 2 (03:33:07):
So that Charlie Cook was the Steeler. Huh so, Hull Cogan.
What NFL player did Hull Cogan wrestle in his first
year in the business. That's another great trivia question. We
should come out trivia book at the end of this.
That would be oh seriously, it would be a lot
of fun. I'm seeing here he briefly played football briefly. Yeah,
it doesn't matter, you know, come on, in wrestling, it

(03:33:28):
doesn't matter. It's like they always fucking make a big
deal out of you know, somebody, you know, you know.
Brisco was like, wow, he played he played NFL football
for a while, Pittsburgh Steelers. Yeah, bullshit, you know you're
looking up. And he never even he never even took right.

Speaker 3 (03:33:45):
He never even fucking right exactly, just sat on the
bench for fucking two games.

Speaker 2 (03:33:49):
So that there's an example of how two competing papers
in Florida would have covered the same match results. One
is incredibly insulting and.

Speaker 3 (03:33:56):
The other one is not right right, you can's absolutely hilarious.

Speaker 2 (03:34:00):
Let's move ahead to the offending paper. This one is
the Tampa Trip October twenty fifth, seventy seven. Uh In
this I believe continues the article you were just reading.

Speaker 3 (03:34:11):
The feud that has erupted between Pat Patterson and Ivankolav
will go a step further tonight when the two meet
in a steel cage match to headline the Professional Wrestling
Action tonight at the Fort Homer Pasterly Armory. I think
he said tonight twice in that sentence. But that's fine, actually,
and I'm sorry it's actually to Nignant the second one

(03:34:33):
action to Nignant at Ford.

Speaker 2 (03:34:37):
Oh, yeah, they're doing great. They they got their shit
together at the Tampa Tribune.

Speaker 3 (03:34:43):
Yeah. Lars Anderson, who has already won two thousand dollars
from Rocky Johnson playing poker, we'll playing poker, said, I
miss that. That was really good. We'll put his Florida
title on the line against John Onson. Oh my god.
As the two meet again, Tank Paton wrestles Don Morocco,

(03:35:05):
Charlie Cook will test mister Saiito in what math? I
know English test?

Speaker 4 (03:35:12):
What is it?

Speaker 3 (03:35:12):
Peter Morales bafteles Tony Marino. I can't handle the typos.
Fun it's a stark reminder Florida Love wrestling man. Yeah,
Bafteles Tony Marino. Another match is Jerry Brisco tackles Keith
Franks raul Matta goes against Buddy roberts Don. Serrano and

(03:35:35):
the Super Gladiator will team against the Super Destroyer and
Dutch Mantel and the eight thirty Opener be there. It's unreal.
I love it. Unbelievable, Oh my god. So we move
forward Fort Latterdale, October twenty six. Look, look, look look
at that fucking look at the Look at the fucking

(03:35:56):
math tutor here, look at her? Is who Graham? Graham?
Look at him? What a fucking I'm sorry. I mean,
Steve Kurn looks no better, honestly, but like, actually, Steve
Kerl looks like the student that Mike Graham is teaching. Awful, awful.

Speaker 2 (03:36:20):
I'm just looking like at this guy that like is
so in Hogan's head, and I know how funny that is, Like.

Speaker 3 (03:36:26):
Like, this is the guy you're worried about, this fucking bozo.
I mean's fucking weep. Even let me tell you something,
even even Super Destroyer is a better name than Mike Graham.
I mean, that's hilarious. Is this is his real name? Though?

(03:36:48):
It's not like hell, I just shows it. No, no,
I know, but I'm saying, like, but but what I'm saying,
is that, like, you know, like, why are you intimidated
by this goof Yeah, you know, it's a really good question.
It's it's hilarious to me that this guy has caused
Hulk Hogan so much insecurity. Yeah, in his early days

(03:37:12):
so much.

Speaker 2 (03:37:12):
I mean, the guy chucked every single thing up that
happened to him as Mike Graham thinking about him, and like,
you know, the truth is always they're not thinking about
you anywhere near as much as you think. And I'm
just looking at him and yep, try and I'm trying
to deal with with his reality, the reality that he's

(03:37:34):
going to be part of this. Yes, So this show
at the Fort Lauder Deal Armory was Kern and Graham
against Roberts and Keith Franks, morocco Vers, Tank Patten, Charlie
Coke was toting Reno John Boyver Super Destroyer. There it
is so there it is Coco National Guard Armory. This
is from Coco, Florida, December twenty ninth, Cocoa Beach, Florida.
I mean where the home of Rick the model Artel.

(03:37:57):
I guess so I'm looking, Oh my god, he was
from there.

Speaker 3 (03:38:02):
That's where he's from. Cocoa Beach, Florida.

Speaker 2 (03:38:08):
So it's bad Le Roy Brown here in our main
event taking on Many Fernandez, Florida title for Southern title
Steve Kern.

Speaker 3 (03:38:15):
And is that who's it? No, it's not who.

Speaker 2 (03:38:21):
He didn't really he didn't really do much. He was
I think he actually called himself the Junkyard Dog before
j y D did.

Speaker 3 (03:38:32):
No Hyeah.

Speaker 2 (03:38:34):
I'm trying to think of what I could say, because
it was like a he was like a song lyric too.
There was like a song badly Roy Brown. That gets
uh get that? That further confuses the issue. That's where
he took his ring name from. But I'm trying to
think of like what he would have done that you'd
be like, oh, it's that guy.

Speaker 3 (03:38:53):
He did.

Speaker 2 (03:38:53):
He did work for Fritz. I think he was even
on one of the shows we did in the Lamentable Tragedy,
like those early eighties ones. He was in the Zambui
Express tag team with Ray Candy.

Speaker 3 (03:39:04):
They wore like.

Speaker 2 (03:39:05):
Fatigues in the ring. I'm just looking through some of
the stuff, but I don't think he never Okay, he
worked for UWF when they were on TBS Bill Watts,
but that was about it. He died in eighty eight,
so he didn't really have a chance to have a
seat at the table for Wow. Yeah, Space seem in

(03:39:26):
the main event though I didn't know he would have
been top of the card up there.

Speaker 3 (03:39:30):
But all right, So.

Speaker 2 (03:39:35):
Steve Cronin Bubba Douglas against nature Boy Lane and I'm
not sure that is that's Dan Lane, I don't know,
and Byron Saint John. This is a curious card they have.

Speaker 3 (03:39:44):
Yeah, it's kind of funny because I mean, you know,
we've seen a lot of the same names for the
most part, but these are got a bunch of new
names that we have not I've seen before. Right, Yeah,
it's like they're almost cooperating with like a different like
a different office almost the show, right, Super Destroyer against
Rick Oliver, Terry Taylor on the card against Gordon. So

(03:40:08):
that's the for now.

Speaker 2 (03:40:09):
That's the extent of the clippings as we reached the
end of nineteen seventy seven, and it's it's there's a
reason while Hulk Cogan has sort of hooked on the
business at this point, you know, it doesn't it doesn't
necessarily mean the business is hooked on him. Not quite yet, right,
and as far as Briscoe when he sizes up what

(03:40:30):
he sees after all these years, thinking back on these
formative days, for all intents and purposes, he still sees
the same guy.

Speaker 4 (03:40:38):
Hey, yeah, I tell you, I mean to this day.

Speaker 7 (03:40:42):
I mean, I don't think Terry has has changed in
his personality. People see different things, you know, but I
still see that really nice South Tampa boy, and he
meant Terry.

Speaker 4 (03:40:55):
We don't.

Speaker 7 (03:40:57):
I don't communicate with Terry every week or ever month,
but sometimes I'll just be sent and watching a football game.
I'll get a call, Hey, you watching this game, good
game or some playing, and he'll just call him, just
bullshit and just check in, say how you doing and
all that stuff. And so to me, I mean, even
with all the fame and everything, he's still that guy

(03:41:18):
that I talked to that first week wanting them get
in the business.

Speaker 4 (03:41:21):
So it's amazing, Yo.

Speaker 2 (03:41:24):
Well we know, boss, that Terry isn't looking to still
be that South Tampa boy. No, he's got bigger visions
of the world knowing him as something other than Terry Bulea.
And even in his old bandmate Anthony Borcello could see
that when Terry would come back around after getting into
the wrestling ring. In fact, Borcella recalled to our friend
Brad Bluccian that Terry would poke his head around, poke

(03:41:48):
his head back in throughout the music scene when Barcella
was still out there trying to make it after the
dissolution of Ruckus, and one of these times when Terry
comes back around, Barcello simply cannot believe what he sees.

Speaker 15 (03:42:00):
And then and then he comes back, and then he's
the big old and he must beat three hundred pounds.
I was playing in a big club called Robic Connie's
in Tampa. He came and saw me play there, and
he was just fucking huge.

Speaker 17 (03:42:11):
Man.

Speaker 4 (03:42:12):
I saw him. I was just flipped out. I was like,
what are you doing? Yeah, Dina Ball, I don't.

Speaker 9 (03:42:17):
Know what the hell they were doing.

Speaker 15 (03:42:18):
So he goes and he's I take my son to
the armory in Tampa, and Dusty Rhodes beats him up.

Speaker 4 (03:42:24):
He's got a mask on. Dusty Road beats him.

Speaker 15 (03:42:26):
Up in there, carrying him out the thing, and Anthony's
standing there my son Terry.

Speaker 9 (03:42:31):
He thought he was really hurt, and Terry's going.

Speaker 4 (03:42:35):
Right, so they're dragging him off.

Speaker 2 (03:42:38):
Wow, but the body didn't tell the same story that
Terry's mannerisms did. The look on his face when he
came back to visit Anthony. Anthony could tell his old
bandmate wasn't sure about this latest run either.

Speaker 15 (03:42:53):
And he'd come back into town and see me playing
these clubs, playing bass, and he was like, you know,
and I could tell that it wasn't going well. You know,
he wasn't making money and nothing was happening, and he
was still trying trying, you know, and.

Speaker 4 (03:43:05):
He broke up with the girlfriend.

Speaker 15 (03:43:07):
He was focused on that wrestling then, you know, instead
of music. He was supposed to go on wreck with wrestling,
and he kept trying, kept trying, kept trying, till finally
he caught that break in WWF or whatever. Yeah, that's
when it happened for him. But I mean he was like,
I Tooya was playing at the huge club in town.
I was in the house band and playing bass, and
he came in and he was like as he looked

(03:43:30):
like the thing. He was so big and muscular. He
was like a solid wall with legs cliffed on. I
saw the holy shit, he was like two of the
old Terry right, and still you know, I could see
it in his face that he was not he was
not making it.

Speaker 7 (03:43:46):
You know, he was not happy.

Speaker 15 (03:43:47):
I was happy just to be up there running around
on his steat.

Speaker 3 (03:43:49):
Was not wow happy. Anthony could see it.

Speaker 2 (03:43:54):
Enough of the being on the road for twenty five
thirty dollars payoff and you're driving for free, and all
the rest of the guys in the are piling.

Speaker 3 (03:44:00):
Into your car.

Speaker 2 (03:44:02):
You're in the area for three or four hours, and
you're driving another four hours, putting in twelve hours making
twenty five bucks. And he's young, he's big. He knows
that he can go to the gym and make more
money at a gym than he can wrestling for Terry
bulla aboss and listeners of The Complete Hulk cog and
it was time for a new way to escape that

(03:44:23):
dreaded Port Tampa fate and to hook back up with
that kid ed Leslie who looked up to him or
so many years before, and who they used to leave
hanging at the beach. Boss, I ask you in conclusion
this week, are you familiar with the phrase bodybuilders have
more meat and stay hard longer? I am, now, Well,

(03:44:49):
that's next time on The Complete Hulk coach

Speaker 1 (03:44:55):
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