Ep. 432:The Complete Hulk Hogan | The Birth of Hulk Hogan (Part 4, Cocoa Beach)

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Speaker 1 (00:15):
It's The Lapsed Fan Wrestling podcast special report.

Speaker 2 (00:19):
The Lapsed Fan presents the Complete Hull Kogan, a real
American story, brought to you by Garage Pierre Us.

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It's not working out for Terry Bolea in the professional
wrestling business. Can you believe it? Brother, he's concerned. I mean,
how do you know him? What Matt Suda trade his trust? Brother?
Matt Suda told him it was a shoot. And here's
Eddie Graham who I grew up watching brother even though

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that wasn't born when he was wrestling reruns? Is that brother?
Watch reruns? Brother shout out to ever pointed out that
when Dusty Roads is actually headlining at the Fort Hester,
ly Hogan would have been fourteen. And he continues to
say he was nine when he first laid eyes on
Dusty Roads in Tampa. That's there's what's wrong with that?

(01:09):
Come on absolutely five years, but it's not working out.
This is yet yet another file and under the from
the beginning of the show. The file that's probably thickest
for TLF is finding instances, be it in movies or
be it in pro wrestling, where the biggest names, the
biggest draws, the biggest box office attractions, the most memorable yep, characters, films, concepts,

(01:31):
matches all almost didn't happen because someone at the very
very beginning just didn't see it. That's that's honestly, that's
the that's that's so common, so so common that if you,
if you know, you missed one little window, you know,
it would have been a whole different story. Anytime we

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do a classic film under the cinemat, I literally sit
there with my arms folded waiting for you to bring
up the news article about how some dumbass studio head
just passed on it. Yep. How many times? I mean, seriously, seriously,
how many fucking times have we have? We heard that?
In both in both sides, you know, like there's it's amazing,

(02:13):
it's I guess what's really amazing is that we we
call so many people geniuses when in reality, people can't
see beyond their fucking nose. O. You know, more often
than not, they can't see beyond their nose, and they're
so you know, they're they're also probably petrified of their

(02:33):
job and being found out to be the fraud that
they are, and they can't detect something original. They can
only detect right things that are derivative of something they've
seen work before and listen, and you know what, I'll
take one thing about that. I'll say, that's gonna be hard.
You know, like we all think we can see uh uh,
you know beyond what we're what we're experiencing now. But

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it's hard. It's hard to say this is gonna be hot,
this is going to be the next fucking big thing,
this is going to be brock Lessner. Absolutely, it's human
nature to not be able to have that that gene.
But what's annoying is when people in retrospect pretend that
they had that eye. Oh that's the worst. And for
Hulkgan slash Cherry Blay, I think what we have here,

(03:17):
it's coming into focus for me as we continue the
complete Hulk Hogan here on the Lapsed Fan Wrestling podcast,
the Definitive audio laydown of Hulk Hogan's life and times.
I was just curious, how many, how many, how many
tributes have there been so far? Like about for Hulk Hogan,
you know another other podcast, have you noticed I haven't
even looked that wouldn't I wouldn't call anything a tribute

(03:39):
And as much as like we would call it a tribute.
I mean, of course, every podet episode, That's what I mean, Like,
you know there there, there are how many shows have
kind of did their little thing, recapped all the same
ship that everyone and their mom fucking recapped and they're
done and then moving on. Now we're here, We're the
only is it. We're the only ones that just say,

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you know what, fuck this history calls. We will bring
everything to a screeching halt, drop everything until the mission
is complete. And why can we do that? Why can
we have the gump shin to do that without being
afraid of alienating listeners. It's because we have the realist
listeners in podcasting, wrestling. I don't care what category you

(04:19):
want to talk about. They're there. They say, you know what,
ten years, eleven years, you've earned the trust. We're putting
the cake behind it. Go do your thing, and so
we will and so we are. And what's coming into
focus for me around Hogan is that before he really
dialed up the Die in a Ball, nobody saw him
as a wrestling superstar. Jerry Briscoe, Eddie Graham, Mike Graham,

(04:41):
Heiro Matsuda, Blair, I don't know, just anybody can think
of because you know what, he's just a tall, lanky bitch.
Of course, he looks like someone you should bully, Yes,
especially should that's the thing, right, you should bully him, right.
And I'm not saying it's like I'm saying, I'm putting
myself in the mind of people in that time frame.
Of course, I'm not saying in this modern condition that

(05:03):
he should be bullied, but I'm thinking that's basically the
use that they would put someone of his proportions to
in the wrestling business such as it existed in Tampa,
Florida at the time. There's a reason Hogan keeps bringing
up that Mike Graham was a jock and didn't like
him everything. It's because, like the undercurrent is somebody who
wasn't an athlete or wasn't a jock that has potential

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in the wrestling business was going to have that potential
strangled in the crib in Florida Championship Wrestling in the
nineteen seventies. Well also too, people can pretend later until
he got on the gas big time, that they saw it,
and I'm here to conclude that that is not true.
I also think, you know, honestly, if you look at
I mean, if you look at it at a Mike Graham, Okay,

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let's look at him. He's you know, yes, he's an athlete,
but five eight, five eight, two hundred and thirty pounds,
huge issue, you know, like, think about it in Bruno
Sanmartino ten, five ten. These are not big men. I
think that's something to kind of consider in terms of finding,
you know, in terms of like big stars, they weren't.

(06:06):
They weren't big. Now you were able to be the
toast of your town and your wrestling circuit being a
moderately sized guy, you know, yeah, yeah, and that Pedro
Morales five ten, Yes, you got the Briscoes with an
ownership steak. Look at Jack Briscoe, Yep, he wouldn't stand
out as big at any point past the seventies. And

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you know that's because, of course, people dialed up bodybuilding
drugs so much that it became a ridiculous arms race.
But yeah, Jack Brisk's only six feet right, or was
rather not. He's not it anymore. The reason New York
is a big band's territory is because all these local
yogls want to get the big men the fuck out
of their territory. So they can be over right, right,
And I mean I think that's that's just a you know,

(06:52):
Hogan wasn't I mean, even Billy Graham, Well, he was
certainly big. He's six', four he's Not hogan. SIZE i
mean six to four is certainly, tall but it's not
like it's not that, tall do you know WHAT i?
Mean like it's it's definitely, tall but it's not like,
crazy crazy. Tall and that's part of the reason why
there was years and years and years of like how
tall Was Hulk? Hogan that was like a huge, Obsession, yeah,

(07:13):
right why he went out of his way to tell
all these stories about how his mother used to measure
people when they'd come over the, house including, Him and
that's how he knows he lost height because of all
the back. Surgeries, hmmm because probably some record came out
that showed him we'll get to, it that showed his
actual height and it contradicted said was as whole career
a big issue and so, yeah it's it's, YEAH i.

(07:36):
Was i'm always wary of the idea That hulk doesn't
realize he's telling the, lies because when you go chronologically
and march the way we, do it's, Like, okay, no
he pretends that he doesn't know what he said last
week or this, week but everything is crafted to respond
to some new piece of evidence that surfaced publicly that's
contradicted what he said all, along and so he the

(07:57):
in between, stories these these myths always seem to serve
to connect why you said this before and you're saying this.
Now the truth is always. EVOLVING i think that's probably
going to be one of the take. Homes whenever we
finish this, thing you, know probably twenty thirty eight or,
something that's when it'll come crashing. DOWN i think we
should just go to twenty three oh, three just to be,

(08:20):
honestly you might as well let's keep doing it twenty
three oh three because we're here because of whul. Cocain
so there's no other, reason there's no it wouldn't make
any sense to do anything. Else. Yep and so until
it's all fucking all been sifted through and analyzed and,
analyzed and you, know that's it analyzed and. ANALYZED i

(08:44):
really like. That, Yeah i'm shocked that came to this
long and to come up to that, One but, YEAH i,
mean if you look At hogan's you know match listing you,
know of his. Career it starts in seventy, seven and
there's a big smokeing hole between seventy seven and seventy,
nine no matches and s and one asks themselves, like
how how is that? Possible, well we're laying it. DOWN
i mean all the matches we listed last time we

(09:06):
were with you in Covering hogan's very first matches in
the business roll in the fall of nineteen and seventy,
seven and we know that he gets very frustrated by
the way he was being, used by the way he
was being, paid by the lack of bookings that he was,
receiving and pretty much figures, that you, know this isn't the.
Money i'm not striking gold LIKE i THOUGHT i. Would you,

(09:27):
Know i'm not making these salaries THAT i peaked on
those bank, records, brother THAT i was looking, at and
so probably should have gone back to the. Bank well he,
would trust, Me Haul hiven always goes to the. Bank
and we're about to map out for you here just
such a fascinating little period Of Hulk hogan's life where

(09:47):
ironically he pushes away from, wrestling he leaves, wrestling he quits,
wrestling and then takes up an exercise and lifestyle regimen
that will transform him from the awkward butt of the
joke to a hulking monster that nobody can help but
turn their heads at when he walks.

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Interesting it took a year In Cocoa beach For Hulk.
Hogan For Terry, BOLEA i would argue to truly Become Hulk,
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know that this history is going to be listened to
six million times till the end of. Time, no that's exactly,
it you, know like like this is this is the
stuff you know they're gonna you, know in the future
when when the world is destroyed and it's completely post
apocalypse and stuff like, that there's gonna be there's gonna
be a small a small group all, right of of of, extraterrestrials,

(11:53):
yes who find wrestling to be. Fascinating they're gonna say
who Was hul? Cooking, Right they're gonna say who Is Hulk?
Hogan and and they're gonna and they're gonna listen to
all these other things that, like, well they tell them
the same fucking. Thing but, well wait a. Minute but these,
guys these two fucking clowns over, here they spent years on.
Him they're giving it to, me and they're pointing out
the contradictions across every version of every. Story and we're

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Boss oh, YEAH i mean how did? THAT i don't
even remember. HOW i Didn't Seth rollins Painting Cody Clean
seth lean, Right i'll tell, you tell you how fascinating it. Was,
Fuck i'm like seriously, thinking wait a, MINUTE i don't
EVEN i was, LIKE i don't remember how it. ENDED
i KNOW i was falling asleep at the. END i
know that the meta cross currents have seen every. Styles

(13:20):
there was a LEGIT i mean there was a legit
moment where my you, know even even though there was
a legit moment WHERE i had that panic of falling,
asleep feel, like, yeah when you feel like you're not
supposed to be really falling, asleep you get that feeling. Anyway,
yeah people ask how do we do? It how do
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that's the. Start oh, god how About sena And styles
in A hall Of mirror's Meta, matt what a what
a bizarre FUCKING i can't EVEN i don't even know
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match is getting so much love is really AND i
DON'T i don't fault people for enjoying it because it
was entertaining from what it, Was, yes but it's, like

(14:04):
where are we? It mads, ME i Went terry funk
on that. One where are? We where are? We and
is the wrestling business? ANYMORE i don't even. KNOW i
don't even know what to even think about when you
get two, guys WHICH i think is so funny, too
because BECAUSE i think OF Aj styles and although you,
know he says That John cena made, HIM i CAN

(14:25):
i see him as being one of those people who's
so Anti John, cena like the opposite Of John, cena
and then to kind of get roped into doing, this
that's such a good point. Cartoon you would you would
jump on THE aj train in like the two thousand and,
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i think they could use That bolia. Shirt you're damn.
Right how far do you want to take? It? Brother
to really ride that? Wave ride that? Wave, YEAH i
mean The Fu manchu is just what a chill by this?
Guy if he didn't go handlebar like in seventy. SEVEN
i wonder if we're. Here it's, True it's. True you know.
That you know we've talked about how important that that

(24:11):
that that stash. Is you, know the it doesn't can
you imagine is there a world like where you can
imagine a Whole cogan without the, mustache like clean shaven
and without the. Skullet why is it so? ICONIC i
don't KNOW i really don't. Know it's such a it's

(24:36):
such a crazy thing to think, of you, know the
the biggest wrestling hero being looking in some ways so
average and so not what you would consider to be
your big. Hero, yeah for anyone in your life that
you think about, it it's like, right but it's like

(24:58):
it's Like. Superman Imagine superman with a scullet and and
and a handlebar like you'd think he was. Trash you'd Think, superman,
like what the fuck is wrong with? You why do
you look like That you're gonna save the? Day get?
Out get away from. Me i'd rather. Die it's. AIR
i don't know who pointed this, out but it is
a good. Point it does serve to draw the eye
line lower to his face instead of the top of his,

(25:20):
head and he can like be but everybody. Knows it's
not like he's fucking hiding. Anything everybody fucking. Knows everyone
sees the dome and we just talked about it last,
time like it's it's. Great the shiny dome works for,
him man like it, does but we're Not hulka maniacs
to this. Degree if he had a full head of
hair looking Like edge when he came back like any if,

(25:42):
anything that's that's kind of, It, LIKE i don't know
IF i could have been a fan of him without
the fitting hair to begin. With it's so. True, yeah
it does look like he's got a fried egg on his,
head what of? It a fried egg in cased and
hot dog skin. Flyused so if we're going to figure

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out the narrative and the significance of this interlude In
Terry bolay's life between flirtations with the wrestling, business we've
got to reset the table from where we were last.
Time we of course went through the match With Brian
blair and talked in great detail about how it served

(26:26):
to be a point of amusement for those in the
locker room In, Chieflin florida that, night or at the
curtain As Terry buley And Brian blair were given fifteen
extra minutes they didn't expect to pretend to have a,
fight and that kind of that puts us on the
course to reintroduce, you so to, speak to reorient you
as to Why Terry boley decided to quit the wrestling

(26:50):
business for the second time so. Far and we're going
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(27:13):
oh you, KNOW i should have had the fucking The
Holy alliance theme, Ready i'm kind of glad you, didn't
BUT i haven't heard that in a long.

Speaker 4 (27:24):
Time, so.

Speaker 3 (27:27):
Well did they mix it With, WELL i don't remember
what they fucking, did But i'm Gonna i'm gonna look
it up right now And i'm going to sing. It
we're working on, It we're working on.

Speaker 5 (27:35):
It.

Speaker 3 (27:36):
Yeah So brad on His patreon is is making available
a lot of the audio that he did uh for
The the Six pack. Book and if you hop over
to his patreon patreon dot, com slash to the Brad
pack and subscribe to the four ninety five per month,
tier you can get a personalized autograph book plate for
the Six, pack and you can reach out To brad

(27:57):
via the bradpack dot. Com tell him signed up so
you're a fan, listener get the mailing addressed to him
and let him know so as we go in the complete.

Speaker 6 (28:05):
In Dean Dean Dean Dean Dean Dean dean de dean
de de de deed de.

Speaker 7 (28:17):
De he he.

Speaker 3 (28:44):
Tell you you put no well though sadly. Yes so
uh as we, Go brad's gonna be posting audio from
his book that aligns with where we are in the
Hop cogan. Timeline he's got an views of a ton
of people that interacted With terry in his formative, years
so we're excited to do. That and as part of

(29:06):
the sharing, initiative we've got this piece here From Jerry,
brisco who we delineated quite a bit in our last
episode talking about this match with With Brian, blairs kind
of the precursor to Why terry just kind of throws
his hands up on the whole.

Speaker 8 (29:20):
Thing So terry's starting, starting and it's so really early
and has been really early.

Speaker 4 (29:26):
In the business life Of. Terry so they go.

Speaker 8 (29:28):
Out and there we did one fall twenty minute time
living second or third. Match so they're out there and
they're really doing, good really doing, good and that's one
of those, armories LIKE i, said and Then florida in the,
summertime it's you, know they're not air conditioned.

Speaker 4 (29:44):
So and people could smoke back in all.

Speaker 8 (29:47):
Day so so the six hundred people then probably five
hundred are, smokeing so that army is just big melling
with with a tobacco cloud of. Smoke and plus it's
probably one hundred and ten degrees underneath those, las all,
right that there, too you could tell they're kind of
huffing and. Puffing so let's play a rib ball and
let's extend the match in another twenty. Minutes so and

(30:09):
so you, know as a as a performer and as a,
wrestler as you're going along in your, mass you're picking
up the temple as you get to the to the
last seventy eighty five, Minutes so get that five minute,
mark you're starting.

Speaker 4 (30:22):
To really, go really. Go and as you.

Speaker 8 (30:25):
Get, closer you know you're picking up a, temple so
you're using more energy and you're in the smoke filled
damn furnace room.

Speaker 4 (30:31):
There so we get word out to and.

Speaker 8 (30:34):
Send announcing five, minutes announce this match has just been
extended at another twenty. Minutes and you could just see
when they when they hit that market, phone when they
respect that five minute, call and ladies and generals matter
has been a trended to another twenty. Minute the, people
of course go well because they're having a blowout, match
and you could see the look On bride's.

Speaker 4 (30:56):
Face like what the hell AM i going to do
with this? Bigga so they'll be now for another twenty.
Minutes so basically we put them.

Speaker 8 (31:02):
In a position where they got to restart the match
and just see How terry reacts to stuff like, that
and he passed with flying colors and they finished the match.
Off at the end of forty. Minutes they got.

Speaker 4 (31:12):
An demn, ovation just like a main event Would. Brian
brian deserved.

Speaker 8 (31:17):
The credit for that for carrying carrying the guys though so,
good but it was it was kind of funny and
they both got back to shoot us.

Speaker 4 (31:24):
Out they knew who it were came from because we
WERE i was. Intern other than, that, yeah he's.

Speaker 9 (31:30):
A last fan wrestling Podcast.

Speaker 2 (31:55):
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Fan he's a lapsed fan wrestling podcast With jack And carno.

Speaker 3 (32:25):
And jp so resetting the table. There why don't you
read From hulk's second, Book, boss how he. EJECTED i
just want to, SAY i don't understand the number, one
the the how THE i, MEAN i imagine he's just
he's just blowing, smoke but the fact that they had

(32:46):
a blowout, match like really like they were fucking having
a blowout. Match hogan's like one of his earliest. Matches
and what you decided to what you decided to do
is with shit on, it right and and and, right
and you decided, like let's let's treat the rookie like.
SHIT i can see doing that to someone who didn't

(33:06):
have a blowout match right Right. EXACTLY i don't like.
EXACTLY i don't like disguising like fucking with someone as initiation.
RITUALS i also, don't SO i GUESS i also. DON'T
i don't understand the. Logic, ACTUALLY i take it, back
actually BECAUSE i don't understand the logic either, way because
in my, mind if you, know you get a new

(33:29):
guy out, there you want him out of there as
fast as, possible because if he's in there for too
long and he starts showing what how fucking green he,
is it makes your, whole your whole promotion look like, Shit,
hey you put the hood on, him because he didn't
want people to see him and, exactly and then you're
gonna give. Him you're gonna give him twenty more minutes

(33:50):
like you want. Him you want a guy to go
out there and just look like. Garbage, possibly you, know
obviously we don't. Know we, Didn't we, Didn't we never.
Saw but if it's anything like that fucking workout video we,
saw it's not. Pretty you, know it's a blow up,
match just like a main. Event but doesn't that make

(34:10):
you like it's just weird to? Me, say, well maybe we. Don't,
yeah maybe we, don't just to see how we would. React,
well how we reacted was almost clearly in the business
and putting fucking you, know put the putting the business
negative one hundred million. Dollars. Yeah on the way back
from the, RING i was so worried and was so.
Upset there were tears in my. EYES i don't think
any of the guys saw, it BUT i was a.

(34:31):
Wreck i've thrown everything in my in my, life in my, life,
jury in my life away for this dream of. Wrestling
it wasn't a. Dream can we can we just clarify
that that it wasn't a. Dream, oh it's just, like,
OH i can make more doing. This it was, like,
OKAY i can't do music anymore because music is the.
Dream this is not the. Dream this is just if

(34:51):
this was the. Dream his asses on The Robertson High
school wrestling, team, right he this is the, Fallback this
is the. Fallback my music career was was on. NOW
i was so. Fixated i'm making this thing, work this
thing which means this thing. Money, yeah and this was
WHAT i got myself. INTO i was, shaking practically, bawling

(35:12):
THINKING i don't want to BE i want to hold
to be a wrestler. ANYMORE i felt like a, loser an.
Outsider well wait till ninety, six the twelve year old
fat KID i. WAS i was, WEAK i felt. SICK
i just wanted to get out of. THERE i was
so scared and so messed. Up it was ALL i
could do to gird myself and get ready to face my.

(35:34):
Fate AS i pushed through the doors and stepped into
the locker room where all the wrestlers were waiting with
beers in their, hands, congratulations you made. It what the, hell,
brother they're cheering for? Me, yeah the rid was, over
you made, it Right the whole thing had been a,

(35:55):
goof a big goof at my, expense and, yeah a
big goof at the big goof's. Expense how about That
they patted me on the back and shook my. Hand
someone handed me at. Beer they were all so happy
THAT i made it through the, match and everybody was
talking about what a good Fight i'd Given. BRIAN i
wonder nothing is as it appears To hulk his first.
Experiences he's exactly. Exactly you, know hazing is a pretty

(36:20):
Calm it's pretty common in. FRATERNITIES i guess it's pretty
common in the military. TOO i had no idea it
was a write a passage of the wrestling. World in,
fact you, know maybe it wasn't all That maybe it
wasn't all that. Common MAYBE i was just an unlucky
stiff who is too naive for the other wrestlers to pass.
Up you, KNOW i was completely. DAZED i didn't understand.
IT i didn't understand why they would do something like.

(36:42):
That you, know it's still so weird to think about even.
Now it still upsets. Me but they're in the locker
room on that on That august, night for the first
time in this whole crazy endeavor That i've devoted my
life to for more than a. Year, now the other
wrestler stopped treating me like some dumb ass kid for a.
Momently they treated me like one of their own. Brother,

(37:03):
yeah they sure. Did, yeah and he has to go
find out now That Pat patterson isn't gonna fuck him
in the ass or whatever the. Hell it's just a
great first experience For TERRY. Boleya we're gonna do kind
of a two Faced terry on this, one which is
might might seem like a redundant, phrase but, yeah because
he's got two books and they're two different stories man

(37:24):
on just about. Everything they're a little so boss will
give you book, Two i'll give you book. ONE i
figured that was a good start AND i would be
appearing on the card on a regular. Basis but now
That i'd gotten into the wrestling, business they wouldn't book. Me,
ah THAT'S i to go on a. Shirt now That
i'd gotten into the wrestling, business they wouldn't book. Me
sounds like you hadn't gotten into the wrestling. Business, actually

(37:47):
that's that might be a sign that you did not
get into the wrestling. Business they would give me just
one night a Week monday at The, sportatorium And i'd
get paid just twenty, dollars twenty five. DOLLARS i kept,
asking why do you, guys why don you guys let me?
Wrestle there was no reason for it at. Least, also
was He Dennis stamp all of a sudden.

Speaker 10 (38:06):
Not?

Speaker 3 (38:06):
Booked? Fucked NOW i understand the. Reason what do you
think is coming? Next? Uh because they thought he was
so great Like, Graham Oh, god the promoter's son had
gotten into the wrestling business a few years before. Me
he was a star, already and in high school we
hadn't been the best of. Friends so it was that

(38:27):
old high school rivalry that kept me from. Wrestling. Well
From mike's, father he didn't even you didn't even fucking
LIKE i, mean from WHAT i, gathered from what we know,
anyway you didn't even fucking cross. Paths but you're in different.
Worlds we're gonna get a little more meat on that
bone as we, go some, others other parties to the.
Dynamic of, Course mike AND i are great friends. NOW

(38:47):
i love him to, death you, Know, oh don't get me,
wrong love them to. Death, OKAY i love everybody to
death now that now that now that you're in, Dad,
terry and you admit that you don't love, Him, yeah, right,
exactly how that we're past that. Point but at the
time he didn't want to give me a chance to outshine.
Him so remember. It Charlie lay was the guy that you,
know man's the ticket booth at The, sportatorium and he's

(39:08):
the guy that's been around the territory forever and. Ever
he's kind of like The bronco lu bitch or the
Yeah David manning. Type Charlie lay kept on encouraging. Me
he kept, saying hang in, there, Kid but after four,
Months i'd only wrestle ten, matches even less than one a.
Week well that's just Because Boss ruth wouldn't give him the, bookings, Fright? Jerry?
Exactly come, On jerry. Didn't jerry wasn't participating in a

(39:32):
in an initiative to drive this guy out of the,
business not at. All why would he do. That i'm
not letting you have a damn. Booking i'm not your goddamn. Secretary, Hey,
terry you think one, day, this this Humble tampa bode
is going to be covered in frame photos of you
pretending to fight other. People let me tell, You i'll
tell you what a. Chance uh, uh not at, all
Because i'm just gonna have photos Of kenny up there

(39:53):
in his. Family, wow imagine real. Family terry pisses her
off one, day he comes to the. House we've all
seen it by now on WCWOR. Wwftv every wall in
this modest home is covered With hulkogan. Pictures but he
comes home one time after bissing her, off and all
the pictures are on the, wall but she's cut out
Little kenny heads and put them all on. Hulks oh my,

(40:13):
God oh my. God. Yes and WHEN i did, RUSTLE
i didn't like. It i'll be out there fighting for
twenty or thirty minutes in the opening. Match, okay, yeah
you were booked to work thirty minutes after you couldn't
handle fifteen and. FIFTY i just don't. Understand this is
WHAT i don't understand at. All, like it just makes
no sense to. Me, yep, punching, kicking, punching. Kicking it

(40:36):
wasn't like the exciting wrestling THAT i had witnessed with
the main event guys who knew what they were. Doing
in the, END i couldn't make a living at. It
twenty five dollars a week didn't pay for, much AND
i couldn't see a time When i'd be making any
more than. That, FINALLY i did the one THING i
never THOUGHT i would, do the one thing no one
on The tampa wrestling scene expected of. ME i Quit.
Roller what could have? Been, well we have Some we

(40:59):
have a different online here to pick up on next,
too thanks To. Terry so we're turning back now to book.
Two we're gonna swing it over to the Boss, man and,
uh let's see How terry marches us, through how he
ends up leaving his Beloved. Tampa oh, boy you, know
sometimes you gotta be careful what you wish. FOR i

(41:20):
was so focused on getting into This florida wrestling, circuit
so focused on not Letting matsuita beat me beat me,
down so focused on being, accepted THAT i didn't look
at the bigger. PICTURE i still have blinders. On after
that first, MATCH i Expected i'd be able to make
a living at this, thing this. Thing, brother everybody, else
Like Brian blair And Paul orndorff Was that's the second

(41:43):
time he's brought up how they got it easier than he. Did,
yeah he brings it up every. Time, well they were,
wrestling you, know six nights a, week you, know rotating
From West palm To tampa To miami To jacksonville To.
Sarasota ME i was only getting in two. Bookings you,
know When day In, miami which is a five hour
drive each, way And monday In. Tallahassee he just said.

(42:04):
Money he just Said monday at the. Sportatorium he just
said it in his other. Book, Well tallahassee's s, portatorium,
brother which is a five and a half hour drive each.
Way that's that would be the. Thing he would create
a story about How tallahassee's building actually was called the
sportatorium to, right people don't know. That you're, like why
did he just say? That and then when you do

(42:25):
this you realize why he said what everybody, like no
matter what he could, say sportatorim in every fucking town
he ever fucking resident in a. Sporatorium he just didn't
know about, it, Right oh, yeah that's what. Sportatorium and
you don't, nderstand, BROTHER i called it the. Sportatorium, brother you.
Understand the sportatorium In, Amherst New hampshire was fucking. Big
no one else called it, that, Brother we called it

(42:46):
The Nashville High gym where my grandfather lifted a one
pounds blue rock with this fucking pinky. DUDE i remember
all our members being on his farm and seeing these huge.
Hands you, mean the guys who worked for, him, right
you mean the you mean the comeback after hooking up

(43:11):
was wrestling was uh you, know AND i. WAS i
MEAN i was only getting two Bookings wednesday In, miami
which is the Five tallahasi was a five and a
half hour drive each, way AND i was always the
one who had to. Drive all the other wrestlers would
pile into my van and drink beer and then sleep
on the way. Home this this would offer for three
or four, MONTHS i was barely making any. Money you.

(43:32):
Know more than, that it started to feel like some
kind of rib, again LIKE i was being taken advantage.
Of this. Guy look at that and see, That look
at that's that's this is it his whole, Life he's
just taken. Advantage he ruined his life by going into
the wrestling. Business well just he didn't have the comlornment for.
It he's too paranoid ABOUT i, know like he's just
like ult. EVERYWHERE i wonder if the wrestling business caused this, Though,

(43:57):
yeah it is a nature versus nurture, Question, yeah like
is this a learned? Trait? Again FINALLY i mentioned this
to my Friend Charlie, lay the old guy at the
front desk of The, supiorratorium and he looked at me
and he said SOMETHING i must have been just too
deaf to hear at the. Moment, kid you don't get.
It they don't want you around. HERE i knew he was.

(44:19):
Right we all know that feeling when you when you
hear something you know is the, truth but it's something
you've been dreading and you just didn't want to. Hear,
yeah it knocks you in the. Stomach AND i, Mean
i'm fighting the truth from day. One but say that
Because jerry thought he had a blowout match and had
all the potential in the world and just wasn't getting
the phone calls when he was. BOOKING a look they

(44:41):
give they just, Say i'm just saying, this all, Right
they they come, in all, Right i'm wearing the front.
Dead doesn't matter who it is they come. In they.
Ge't they give me an envelope with a bunch of
cash in, it AND i, said whatever the fuck they,
want BUT i don't. Know you, know it doesn't matter to.
ME i got, nothing all, RIGHT i don't care what
he doesn't even know who this guy was. WAS i
have to also SAY i did not put it Past

(45:02):
hogan to put those words In Charlie lay's, course a
party other than, Him, uh you, know confirming that, Suspicion, Charlie,
YEAH i, mean is there is there A Charlie? Laie
do we have confirm that this person? Existed, okay, yes he. Definitely,
well you know WHAT i. DIDN'T i don't know, Him
So i'm just gonna say THAT i knew he's. Right you,
know we all know that. Field even Though i'd had

(45:25):
on my first match and the matches after that all
went really. WELL i was getting real good in the
ring and starting to find ways to really pump up the.
Crowd and even THOUGH i survived that, suit his, training
and even THOUGH i suffered through that hazing or whatever
you want to call, that that ship they put me,
THROUGH i was never going to escape the stigma of
being a. Mark that's why he wrote still a mark

(45:47):
on the. Program from that matches, there it is these
These florida wrestlers were all were always going to treat
me like some kind of kid who didn't deserve to be.
There with that one one last flip or a HOPE
i met with that suit And jack And Jerry, brisco
PEOPLE i thought were, fun were real friends by that.
Point to ask about wrestling six weeks a, night six
nights a, week rather six weeks to, night he'd do that.

(46:09):
Too Probably probably a solution they come up with was
to transfer me to another territory up In Kansas. City
that was that no offense Of Kansas. City BUT i
wasn't about to be banished off To. Hicksville i'm sure
it wasn't gonna sit there and be humiliated anymore THAN
i already been been for the last year and a.
HALF i can't even get a tan In Kansas? City?

(46:31):
Brother how? Almost how almost to say tann In Kansas? City?
DUDE i think what he doesn't say there is What
beefcake says in his book That Harley, quite who of
course Owned Kansas, city and you work for him when
you went To Kansas city and the other, Guy Bob
Geigel harley quite enjoyed smashing beer cans On terry's head
in a bar when he was working For Eddie graham

(46:52):
down In florida as. Well, wow so, uh let the
first seed be planted In hogan's lifelonge paranoia About Harley, Race,
okay because the fact that he reacted that, Way i'm
sure he flashed right to you, Know harley and six
other veterans bumming a ride in his van from no no.

(47:12):
Compensation oh can you imagine just the stink in that? Car,
JESUS i don't understand how all these wrestlers can bum
rides Off terry if he's not getting booked in all these, towns,
right where's he driving? To why is he on the?
ROAD i guess HE'S i, mean, yeah exactly where's he?
Going m mm, hmmm includes, Saying so that was the.
End three four months into my professional wrestling. CAREER i walked.

(47:33):
AWAY i was. Done here's How Jerry briscoe remembers.

Speaker 8 (47:37):
It when he first, QUIT i was really disappointed, because
LIKE i, said you, KNOW i thought this guy was.

Speaker 4 (47:42):
Do you remember like why he at that point why
he quit it.

Speaker 8 (47:45):
And lack of bookage and just lack of. MONEY i,
mean you're you're on the road and, here you're getting
a twenty, payoff you're driving for four, hours you're in
the arena for three or four, hours and you're driving
another four. Hours so you're putting in twelve and make
a twenty twenty five. Bucks and you, know he's young
and a big and he he knows that he can

(48:07):
go to a gym and make more money at a
gym than he Can Kim.

Speaker 4 (48:11):
Resling at that, time it was a tough life for
guys starting to. End, yeah it really.

Speaker 3 (48:16):
Was this is After jerry misremembered That terry's first fit
of quitting resulted in him putting in a phone called
events a senior and getting it or booked In memphis or.
Whatever he actually quit before. That oh, yeah that's. Right, yeah,
yeah that's. Right oh my. God so that that's where we.
Stand so what's The holster to? Do What's Terry bull to?
DO i called the guy Named White bridges over In Cucoa.

(48:39):
Beach he only plays called The Anchor. Club that was
part of the rock and roll ster CIRCLE i used
to be. In he was he was just really, built
forty year old blondehaired. Guy what is he talking about?
Himself this forties really built forty year old blonde haired
guy who loved the party and always had lots of
girls around Mast sure WHY i called? HIM i want
you to say that, again for REASONS i will make

(49:00):
in a little. While i'm not sure WHY i called, Him,
okay all, Right, yeah MAYBE i thought i'd go visit,
him hang out for a, while blow off some. Steam
i'll try to figure, out you, know what the HECK
i was going to do. Next you, know MAYBE i
just wanted to say hi and see how he was doing. You,
anyway WHEN i mentioned that the wrestling thing wasn't really
working out much to my, surprise why he made me an, Offer,

(49:21):
well why don't you come over here and help me
run the? Club? Oh, shit done, deal, brother what's? Gone
go beach? HERE i. COME i mean it's that. Simple,
NOW i want you to picture in your head what
you think Why bridges looks. Like can you do that for?

Speaker 5 (49:38):
Me?

Speaker 3 (49:40):
Yes you're picturing him right? Now, Yes and THEN i
want you to, well we'll share this with The Solar
system and, again as, always in the Complete Hall coke
and if we, forget please let us. Know huge shadowed
as always to the Homie matt for tracking this. One. Down,
okay so you have a, picture can you describe what you're?
PICTURING i, mean, honestly If i'm being completely, honest just

(50:01):
because of the Name, Bridges i'm thinking Of Lloyd. Bridges
but like With, Hulk hogan's body get, Ready oh, boy
it's not Fucking bob From Twin. PEAKS i mean it

(50:24):
looks like who is? IT i, mean this is he's.
BUILT i guess he's supposed to be. BUILT i. GUESS
i mean this clearly is After hulk's broken. In, YEAH
i mean he LOOKS i mean he he kind of
looks like the love child Of Michael madgen And James.
Spader CAN i CAN i just say, something, yes, Boss Whitey. Bridges,

(50:48):
OKAY i want you to fucking burn that in your,
Mind Whitey, bridges BECAUSE i think white he provides perhaps
the bridge From Terry bulay to Hul, yes by putting
him on This Coke beach. Circuit, Brother oh, Hey, terry
come on, Up come on, up come on. Up man
with an should come over here run the. Club. Good,

(51:14):
LOOK i got plenty of blow plenty of girls like
what does he look? LIKE i was, like you know
what he looks? Like he looks like someone that runs
a bar slash rock club In tampa in the late.
Seventies exactly it LOOKS i, mean he looks like somebody
who is always planning an escape. Route oh, indeed we're
always planning a residential. Community because he was also a property.

(51:35):
Developer according to, records ran for local office not only In,
florida but in other states as. Well and just for some,
Reason i'm always on the. MOON i BELIEVE i know
what's best for the. People so we go To hogan's first,
PEOPLE i don't want to go any further down that.
Road by what you mean by that, Whitey, Whitey, whitey

(51:56):
that should be cause for concern right. THERE i totally
agree anybody with the Nicknamed whitey's there's a problem. There
hogan's first. BOOK i Told Addie, GRAHAM i don't want
to wrestle, anymore AND i sat down in my hotel
room where he, lives and tried to figure out WHAT
i was gonna do with the rest of my. Life
terry ain't gonna live in my house, anymore no, way not,

(52:16):
all no Fucking fakes'm is gonna live in my goddamn
house working on that fake. Shit. Huh, huh you live
in a fake home a, hotel, Hey. Ruth so that
means you're going to turn down whatever Money terry makes
for the. Business i'm just gonna give it To. Kenny
we're still going to live in the same. House, now

(52:37):
we'll have many assets outside of the, house but we'll
live in the same. House we'll just put additions on
and keep on. Building we'll bother the lot next door
and we'll just build onto that one as. Well they,
buy they buy the whole street worth of homes and
connect them all exactly with in law. Units here they,

(52:58):
come poor damfift have fifty kitchens south Of grandy brother
Or gandy? Whatever? What what candy, Brother candy candy? Man
what would the boys are? Getting are the boys getting their?
Gandy what the fuck boys getting their? Grandy? What granby roll?
Brother what? Role what did you? Sushi what did you?

(53:21):
Wait it gets out of hand, Quick. Okay so he's
sitting in his. Hotel what AM i gonna, Do, Eddie
i'm not going to wrestle, anymore and saying my? Hotel
what AM i doing? Myself that's WHEN i remember a
guy Named Whitey. Bridges whitey was a big blondhaired, bodybuilder
about forty years, old and he owned a bar called
The Anchor club And Coco. Beef he kind of looks
a little bit Like. Brutus yeah he, does he really. Does,

(53:44):
actually not That i'm think. About he looks Like. Brutus, now,
yes you, know well that's a little, Unkind BUT i get.
YOU i played there several. Times which one The brutus
are to this? Guy at this? GUY i mean. Respectfully you,
know this, guy as far AS i, know didn't have
his face completely turned into spaghetti by a paras sailing.
ACCIDENT i, know but it still looks like he did.

(54:08):
It played there several times with raw old bands And
whitey AND i had become pretty good. Friends rode. Time
one time he, Said, terry if you ever need a,
job give me a. Call, well what do you Mean
i'm about doing the? Job what what phrase from your?
Passage DID i ask you to set? Aside and not?

(54:28):
Forget you asked me to set? Aside i'm not sure
WHY i called. Him one time he, Said, terry if
you ever need a, job give me a. Call maybe
that's why you called, Him terry read your own. Book, well,
bro that's an old. Book the truth. Changes then how
what exactly he cues it up like he's gonna have

(54:55):
a like he's gonna have a whole circuitous story about,
Why like you get this whole fantasm fantastical thing to,
say and then you, say, read well the stories? Change oh,
yeah how he goes? What he pretends he didn't hear.
You he'll break it. Up, Brother i'm getting statics because it's,

(55:19):
like you can't ask the question again once he, says
what one opportunity to ask a? Question all? Right and
if he doesn't answer it the right, way then fuck you.
Lost he should have done all of his interviews in
front of a helicopter Like trump, does so we could
pretend not to hear certain. Questions, yes we're in the
background the whole. Time SO i called him from my hotel.
Room BEFORE i knew, IT i was In Coco beach

(55:43):
running With Guess. Club but, wait he gets charged for,
that didn't? HE i, know to dial out from the.
Hotel this is, Yeah i'm what these phone. BILLS i,
mean they gotta be racking up. Here no wonder he
feels strapped for. Cash stop living in a. Hotel maybe
THAT i know apologized To. RUTH i still don't know
why he's living in a. Hotel i've read every, word

(56:06):
AND i still don't quite get why he's doing. This
SO i called him from a hotel. Room BEFORE i knew,
IT i was At Coco beach Running Whitey's club for,
him everything from managing the, staff to serving drinks to
taking money at the. Door it worked out just fine
as far AS i was. Concerned SO i don't. Know
you tell, me ladies and gentlemen in the Laps Fan solar,
system Why, hogan between book one and book two would

(56:27):
kind of want to forget why he was drawn To
Whitey Bridges club In Cocoa. Beach you know who's about
to re emerge in The Terry belaya. Story somebody who
last saw him in line at The sportatorium waiting to
get in and see the. Taping someone who remembered the
legend Of Terry bulay on The Little league baseball. Field

(56:48):
someone who was abandoned on the beach in a rib
As hulk and his friends told him to show up
at nine and they were leaving at. Nine The return
of Ed. Leslie so we're gonna summarize a little bit
of from that point to this point in terms of
how Ed leslie was moving Around tampa kind of off
to the side on somewhat a parallel track As Terry.
Bulla but they're not quite friends. Yet but Ed leslie's

(57:11):
a big wrestling fan as well as illustrated by That
sportatorium line. Story he remembers Seeing terry at the matches
at The hastral going. Crazy he knows Of, terry And,
terry you, know is being talkative to. Him now that
high school's over And ed's working out and he's getting
a little bit of a so he Might graham Daed.
Leslie he Might Graham Dad leslie. Exactly of course he.
Did that's how he can recognize it when he sees,

(57:32):
it because he's done.

Speaker 4 (57:33):
It.

Speaker 3 (57:34):
YEAH i love how he's like this awkward like but
of every joke Yet he's got, girlfriends he's got the coolest,
Cars he's in a fucking rock. Band he lives in a. Hotel,
Right well it was it Was Gary barriss who, said,
yeah they just pointed from the stage, you you and
you In Infinity's end to the. Girls. Right does that
sound like someone, that uh that spent his whole life
being eddlessly. RIDICULED i don't, know not, exactly, no BUT

(57:57):
i guess all it takes is a little bit of
pumping those, weights, brother and suddenly the. Chicks the chicks dig, it.
Dude there's nothing more eight seventies and eighties than being
LIKE i, was on. Steroids so the chicks couldn't get
enough of. Me oh, yeah it still, exists but it's
like a different cocktail of. Drugs, now, YES i mean also.
Too you, know being a musician also. Helps. Absolutely you

(58:17):
can be the fucking ugliest guy in the. World but
if you're playing music all of a, sudden like you
just you get to find out where their throats. End,
exactly all, right. Exactly i'm not going to mince words.
Here there's no time for. That so brutus all. Right
last time he saw, ed AS i, mentioned he was
kind of Admiring terry From, afar and since that time

(58:39):
he kind of got into building himself up as. Well
in his, book he talks about being tired of being
the scrawny. Kid he wanted, muscles he wanted. Women so
what gims you start to?

Speaker 7 (58:47):
Go?

Speaker 3 (58:47):
Do Hector's gym On Pratt. Street this is the same
gym That terry was introduced to that one time his
friend asked him for a ride to the gym and
he found Did terry bolea that the bodybuilding community was
much more welcoming than most. Communities that he felt like
an outside are, in and pretty soon he found a
home in the. Gym Ed leslie follows. Him fresh out
of high. School leslie says he was six y one twenty,

(59:08):
almost but by twenty one he was almost six y,
four so he was growing the. Weight weightlifting stimulated a
lot of growth for, him and at this point he'd
run Into terry sometimes and he noticed That terry was
kind of looking at him little bit differently because he
could see he was training, hard starting to get a
little Bit Terry bullay's. Respect we talked a little at the,
gym taming a little, bit tanning a little, bit and

(59:28):
then those kind, of you, know tiptoeing around. Conversations terry
let it slip that he's still in a wrestling and
even mentioned At Gordon Dead leslie that if things didn't
go well with the music, career maybe he could wrestle
for a. Living so that's kind of where Ed leslie comes. In, wow,
OKAY i suppose When rucas was kind of showing signs
of not taking, off And hulk's mind is drifting away

(59:49):
from music as his, future that would be. Awesome Ed leslie,
said some of the other guys at the gym gave
me some pointers and, supplement, advice. SUPPLEMENT i wonder what
that may have. Involved, Hmmm i'm sure to involved things
that were highly legal To Posis riggs and juice before
nineteen eighty. Eight rigs and that that was the name

(01:00:12):
of the smoothie bar at the front. Deck IF i
ever opened a smoothie bar in a, GYM i would
call It riggs And. Juice if k gets to the
point where he's benching four point fifty according to his,
book almost double his own, weight and one, day who
does he run into? It hector's gym, Boss Mike, graham of,
course oh, boy And brutus remembers Asking Mike, graham do

(01:00:34):
you know a guy Named terry buleya trying to make small?
Talk wasn't in your? Class it goes to this gym.
Too mike, responds, YEAH i didn't really hang out with,
him though he was in my seventh group period gym
class along with all the high school football. Players terry was,
good but he did his own, THING i, guess and
then they kind of beat around the bush a little, bit,
right did his Own, see they're right. There to, me

(01:00:55):
that's exactly the relationship That hogan And Mike graham. Had
THAT'S i knew who he, was BUT i, didn't but
we hang on different. Crowds he did his own. Thing
it pissed it Pissed hogan off That mike didn't think about.
IT i you, know you know, though that they're right,
right and you, know you you you ever have you,

(01:01:17):
know at least know those people who who create this
whole fucking story because of you, know it probably comes
from some sort of jealousy or some sort of uh
resentment that you, know you create this whole story in
your mind that they don't like. You you, know, yeah
all this whole. Shit and it's, like you, know this

(01:01:40):
is beginning to sound like What hogan did With Mike.
Graham yes and. Everybody, yeah he thinks everyone doesn't like.
Him he thinks everyone is like basically trying to undercut. Him,
CLEARLY i mean clearly he is still insecure about his.
Weight but they're talking he's. Dead but, right at least
back in the day he was insecure about being a
little fat kid in the big. HEAD i, mean never
end for this, GUY i, SAID i, said like like

(01:02:02):
four episodes. Ago, now like that's Why hogan built his
body up so it could be in proportion to his. Head,
YEAH i believe. That but you, Know ed could tell
right away By Mike graham's tone that he's not too
keen on talking About terry or On terry, himself so
he drops the. Subject As Ed leslie, writes that subject
was not getting me over with, him it was actually

(01:02:23):
getting the. Heat After Mike graham, left one of the
guys the gym Named scott had Hurt us, Talking, oh
he's just. Jealous scott, said what do you. MEAN i,
said he just wishes he was as big As terry
as All, Ooh scott, says he's got little big man.
SYNDROME i believe that. Too and then this Guy scott
says To, ED i didn't know you were in a
WRESTLING a lot of, wrestlers do you, know they've been
stopping by The Imperial room after the show Where ruckus is.

(01:02:45):
Playing and so with that, suggestion this Guy scott And
Ed leslie decided to go over to The Imperial, room,
which as we have firmly established now on the complete
Hul cogan is sort of ground zero For Florida Championship
wrestling mainstays like Your Dusty rhoads And joel A duke
and group And Bob Orton. Jr and The burst goes
to get a to get listen to some tunes and

(01:03:05):
get some drinks until two in the morning after the,
matches and so here goes ed And scott get some
of the fake Id Ed leslie recalls and he Sees
terry up on stage pound them. Away in the bass
he had a really neat style Ed wright's playing on
a bass with no frets on it and shout out
to all the guitar heads who were, like, oh, OKAY i,
UNDERSTAND i, SAID i don't know anything about. GUITARS i

(01:03:26):
guess it's impressive that it could play a fretless. Bass
are not a fenderless. BASS i respect deeply THE i
respect deeply that that's not my my my, area and,
YES i didn't think it was a good use of
time to make it my area for this. Journey everything
was very slide and slap ed writs About hogan's guitar
playing slide and. SLAP i mean that sounds like his

(01:03:48):
japan matches and fun to. Watch during the band's break
At leslie, RECALLS i rushed over To darry to tell
him about the. Wrestlers, Brother now is your, CHANCE i,
Said usually the wrestler's put on a show for, us
but tonight they're here for. Yours you should go up
and tell them you want to. Wrestle you're, right he.
Said he rolled up his, sleeves walked over To bob

(01:04:10):
rup who was hanging out drinking With Bob orton at a. Table, Hey,
bob do you like the? Music bob, nodded but didn't say.
MUCH i just want to let you Know i'm also
a pig fan of you, guys AND i would love
to be a rush on. Myself one. Day Ruben orton
looked him up and down and. NODDED i saw them
talk for a few. Minutes the next thing you, Know
terry was taking down a. Number the band played another,
set and Then terry went up to get a drink
at the. Bar there Was Mike. Graham they both walked

(01:04:31):
out of the bar for a, bit and Then terry
came back in he laid. IT i rushed over to
see what had. Happened so what? Happened? MAN i, asked
Brother bob rup hooked me up With, mike And mike
is gonna set.

Speaker 5 (01:04:39):
Me up with a?

Speaker 3 (01:04:40):
Hero matt. Suda mm. Hm so according to D, leslie
he was there at that formative moment Where Mike graham
finally Takes hogan after annoying these wrestlers all over town
asking how he can get into the wrestling business and
gyms and, stuff, wow takes him back into the van
and gives him the whole. Speech, fine you want to
be a, wrestler here's what you got to. Do bum
boom Boom now what so can you? Using is this?

(01:05:01):
Happens and then The briscoes see him at the other
place in request to see him. Backstage jerry's version is
that they they request audience With, terry he doesn't come
up to. Them, now maybe this thing, happened Because terry
does say The Mike graham van thing happened in his second,
book so it's not like this is something that he doesn't.

(01:05:22):
Claim But jerry doesn't know anything about, that it would
seem AND i don't know what came, First which which
interaction was First mike in the van Or jerry requesting
a yep through that bar maid at the other place
to meet With. TERRY i don't. KNOW i just know
that there's two sort of origin stories in terms of
who are the parties responsible for first hearing Out terry

(01:05:43):
to the point that he actually started to make progress
and was headed towards working With Hiro. Matsuda so you
tell me which of the two holds more. Weight they
could both be, true BUT i don't know because in
both stories it ends up With i'm gonna hook you
up with this, Guy Hiro, matsuda Right like in both
version the reaction Of terry seems to, be oh my, God,
like no one of these had to be the second

(01:06:04):
time you heard the. Name both can't be the first
time you heard That you're in a train with Hero Matt.
Suda When hogan was On Chris jericho's, podcast he does
recollect something similar about meeting With Bob, orton of, course
the father Of Randy, orton and he talks about how some,
nights you, know they they after, wrestling they would be
out the wrestlers till three or four in the morning

(01:06:24):
and they'd come to a club and all of a
sudden we'd be playing in a club full of. Wrestlers
and FINALLY i got enough nerve to talk to go
up and talk To Bob orton And Bob, roup and
all of a SUDDEN i went To Bob rup and, said, hey,
man shirt sleeves rolled up playing in a. Band i'd
love to be a. Wrestler and according To, terry what
he says In jericho's podcast Is Bob rup is the

(01:06:45):
one to, say, yeah we can hook you. Up a
guy Named Matt. Suda he doesn't have anything, about go
talk To, mike and Then mike takes him in the.
Van you, Know so every time he tells the, story
there's something something back To, brutus who remembers after his
talk with my at the, gym he was kind of
surprised to hear That Mike graham was going to Help
terry out in getting into the wrestling. Business he, said

(01:07:05):
it sounded to me like they had, heat BUT i
figured they must have worked through. It so he was
happy For. Terry and he remembers The matt' suita story
a little bit. Differently he remembers it happening When Matt
suda meets Up Hulk cogan at his tailor. Shop, Remember
Matt suda had a clothing store that sold like athletic
gear and, stuff and he remembers it being at the
tailor shop right down the street from The briscoe's body,
shop interestingly, enough and in the back there was a

(01:07:28):
decent sized area At Leslie wrights Where Matt suda put
out some, mats and he says that's when the leg injury.
Happened it wasn't at The. Sportatorium it wasn't At Matt
suit As jim As blair talks. About it was At
Matt suit's tailor, shop according To, Ed So i'm glad
to know what happened in three places and none at

(01:07:48):
the same. Time he also Ed lesley also says in
his book That hogan couldn't even drive off the, lot
so that Contradicts briscoe's. Story wine people were waiting outside
to Give terry a, ride perhaps even Ed. Leslie he
says in that bar maid Named. Teresa, no at least
ed doesn't say he was, there and he would remember

(01:08:08):
if he was standing outside the fucking. Building And hogan
comes out with a broken. LEG i have a feeling
that would be in the. Book, yeah, right but, no
he's At ed's on the story of How hogan had,
to you, know inhumiliation call his father to have him
picked up and tell him what. Happened Ed leslie, writes
along with the other guys in the, gym we decided
to put him to push him to train better to
heal his, wounds that is to Say. Hogan so you,

(01:08:32):
know it's important to remember that When hulk kind of
leaves a wounded animal from the training, sessions he returns
to a, community a brotherhood that Includes bruce the, Barber.
Beefcake that's so. Fascinating he's receiving The hulkster by this
point because they're both you, know now acquainted due To hector's. Gym,
so along with the other guys in the, gym we
decided to push him to train to better heal his.
Wounds that lasted for the next twelve to thirteen. Weeks

(01:08:54):
we all gave some positive talk to him and convinced
him to keep training hard to return To. Matsuda he
agreed that he was going to finish what he, started
just like the other. GUYS i wanted to Fight matt
suitor for what he. Did we all did someone hurt
one of our. Pack the brothership of the gym was pretty.
Strong we Pushed terry very hard and it. Worked that's
something that wasn't in my mental model of Where terry
was at the, time someone who had like a brotherhood

(01:09:15):
of Jim rats behind. Him, yeah he just seems so
alone at this, point. Isolated, well you always think about the, loaner,
right you think about him always talking about you know
not you, know no one likes him and. Stuff, absolutely
but of course he's got his Little Jim rat. Buddies
and so he remembers that Pushing terry back into the
business as being his first connection to the wrestling. World

(01:09:36):
At leslie, WRITES i never thought much about being a wrestler,
myself but seeing someone else almost making the breakthrough made
me THINK i had a. Chance and so as time goes,
mmm he notices That terry is just still paying, dues paying,
dues paying. Dues as Ed leslie, Writes Mike graham was
not going to allow another local boy to outshine him
on his turf. Woo he was going to be the

(01:09:57):
local hometown. Boy nobody else the rides to his shows were.
Murder they only paid him around twenty five dollars for
a five hundred mile trip seven eight hours To. Tallahassee
guys Like Rocky johnson And Gordon nelson would all pile
Into hogan's, car drinking and partying the entire, way Apparely
Harley races among, them as well his girlfriend's brand New Fort.

(01:10:18):
Trio this is his girlfriend's, car which he has talked.
About hogan's girlfriend's car was getting. Trashed he didn't know
anything about charging guys for, transportation so the boys took
advantage of. Him they would hit him in the head
and screw with him while he was. Driving if he
would stop off at the side of the road to,
gurinate they would sneak up behind him and piss on
the back of his. Legs Jesus Christ eddy said that
he was going to use him at the armory, locally

(01:10:39):
but it never. Happened terry couldn't make a living wrestling
two days a week for peanuts and not even getting
enough to pay for the. Gas he had to rethink.
Things after about two, months he came to me and
told me that he quit. Again Here's beefcake in AN
rf video shoot interview recalling this pivotal moment in.

Speaker 10 (01:10:57):
History he, basically, yeah quit and was trying to working
on the docks and. Stuff and that's when a friend
of his from his rock and roll days called him and,
say you, know come To Cocoa. Beach you open up
a gym and and, uh you, know training and try
to get some. Connections Bob roup and a couple other

(01:11:18):
guys that, expressed you, know that they might be able
to help them and. Stuff so he approached several of
his other friends, about you, know going to breaking the
business with, him and everybody else kind of backed, off
and everybody was afraid to walk away from their day
job and their. Security and you, know nobody was. Wrestling you,

(01:11:38):
know it's too, crazy it's too big a, chance you.
Know AND i was looking for something, different you. Know
And i've been hanging With terry for a while and
it's had a real good feeling about JUST i knew
that something was going to. Happen you, know we had
a good chemistry together since we've been hanging out and training.
Together and so you, know when they when the call

(01:12:00):
came a you, know you want to, Go i'd have
my car, packed my, BAGS i was ready to. GO
i had quit my job AND i was you, KNOW
i was already b line in it For Cocoa. Beach
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heading To Cocoa. Beach what do you? Say shouldn't we as?
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Speaker 10 (01:13:25):
What?

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he come Into? Uh the big question is does he? Do?

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They? Do?

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They? Do they meet up With Rick. Martel let's head
over there to find. Out during the nineteen sixties into
the nineteen, seventies the space program in the Nearby Kennedy
Space center drew people an. Investment Coco beach's population jumped
dramatically from about three, thousand four and seventy five to
nine nine and fifty two during that. Era built in

(01:13:55):
nineteen sixty two by local Businessman Richard, stockland The Westgate
Coco beach peer as a historical. Landmark on The Space,
coast stretching eight hundred feet over The Atlantic. Ocean the,
pier originally known As Canaveral, pier was constructed with more
than two point five miles of boardwalk planks and two
hundred and seventy, pilots each forty feet in. Length since the,
beginning the pier has been a favorite of both locals and.

(01:14:16):
Tourists has undergone many changes over the. Years longtime locals
remnists of the days in the early sixties when visitors
could drive their cars right up onto the pier. Itself
the pier also offered a grand stand seat For, Mercury
apollo And Space shuttle. Launches WOW a Nearby Cape, canaveral
which was known As Cape kennedy and honor Of President JOHN. F.
Kennedy between nineteen sixty three and nineteen seventy, three famous

(01:14:38):
astronauts such As alan At, sheppard the First american in,
space reportedly visited the. Pier Cocoa beach evolved into the
surfing capital of The East. Coast boss and the pier
became the center of all surfing. Activity, brother and so
this is now a, hotspot And terry's headed there and surfs, up,
okay surfs, up and so the party scene because the

(01:15:01):
anchor club is in need of. Help the anchor club
is indeed of muscle, yes AND i Think TERRY buleya
And Ed leslie Of, Tampa florida are fully prepared to provide.
It in the, seventies the pier was also home to
a bustling dance club Called, asylum which boasted a cosmic
lighted dance floor and live rock. Music if you need
to put yourself there mentally and picture. It many musical

(01:15:24):
acts have played at the pier over the. Years Bachman, Turner,
overdrive The Edgar Winter, group The Beach, boys A flock Of,
seagulls and so many. More and there's an Enterprising american
entrepreneur Named Whitey bridges trying to connect this space Coast
Cape canaveral adjacency with serving people. Booze this is from let's,

(01:15:47):
say in nineteen and seventy five article about The soviet
launch which aired on live on television here in The United,
states where a Man soviet space shot went up into outer.
Space and this is you, know of, course the space.
Race so every, yeah everything was. Broadcast the revolution was

(01:16:10):
televised and, huge, huge huge fucking, time you, know like you,
know there Was i'm i. Am i'm always fascinated with
with that that era and this space race and stuff like.
THAT i find it to be such a, unique a
unique time, that you, KNOW i, MEAN i just don't

(01:16:32):
think we'll Ever we'll never have something like that. Again
in the spirit of cinemat what films come to? MIND i,
mean the first THING i always think of is the
mini Series from The earth to The. MOON i love
that mini series That Tom hanks. Produced it tracks the
Whole apollo program and it's a really great mini. Series and,

(01:16:52):
UH i don't know If apollo thirteen is coming. SOON
i always think of. That, WELL i was gonna, SAY i,
mean If Cape canaveral leads a connection this is this
is pretty good for. ME i mean, here you, know may,
not that's not. Bad they get to the right. Stuff,
BROTHER i know that's a that's a, concern the rough.
Stuff but isn't it nice to be able to Place

(01:17:12):
hultkogan in that? Time, yes, yes he's, there he's in the.
Mix he's not just like alive during that time. Period
he's In Cape, Canaveral he's on the space. Coast it's
kind of, wild like it's just it's wild to think
that THAT'S i don't know that he's that he's, there,
yes helping with the helping to suck in those tourist

(01:17:32):
dollars that apparently was supposed to. Create, Now Wady bridges
wasn't too happy with the turnout to watch The soviets
go to outer space on this live television. Broadcast here
he is in afore mentioned nineteen seventy five. Article days
before the, launch The Florida Highway patrol was predicting a
crowd of up to one million persons to view this
last act in the long run Of. Apollo but on
the eve of the, Launch Whitey bridges was serving beer

(01:17:53):
and mason jars labeled rocket fuel at his anchor club
on the beach and fretting if they're gonna come the
Dann well better, hurry he. Said most of the folks
here are local, people so he's not moving. Product but
there he is in an article about all the, hoopla you,
know so he knows how to get into the paper
for better or for. Worse, Sure so we're going to

(01:18:15):
turn back To brutus's, book And i'd like for you
to take us through, this this, passage this is, Us
this Is brutus getting us acquainted with his. Recollections and because,
this you, know this is a bigger part Of brutus's
story than it Is, hulks because this is how he
forms the bond With. Hulk and you, know in a
lot of, ways as much as Ed leslie did in
the wrestling, business he's like defined by his for, friendship

(01:18:36):
his lifelong friendship With Hulk. Hogan you, know that's like
the through line of his whole. Career of, Course, god
you know that's A i, mean that's exactly. It, nobody,
nobody fucking uh you know that's you think of Ed
it's funny you think Of Hulk. Hogan you don't think
of Ed. Leslie you think of Ed. Leslie you think

(01:18:57):
Of hulkochin exactly WHAT i mean, now when when they
did friends at the End WrestleMania nine and, everything and
you're watching as an impressionable young story Young. Hilslemania, yes
how far did you perceive their friendship? Went how far?
BACK i mean they didn't really tell this. STORY i
don't think that it goes back to the. Seventies, NO
i never, THOUGHT i don't know actually how, far because

(01:19:17):
there was a part of me that's, wondering how does this? Work,
like you, know Because i'd Seen i'd seen early, WrestleManias
i'd seen Ed leslie as a, heel And i'm, like,
wait were they? Friends then it's a good. POINT i,
MEAN i know that they were, friends and you, KNOW
i knew the story from nineteen ninety where they. WERE i, mean,
also you KNOW i didn't Know mims Ed. LESLIE i

(01:19:38):
don't THINK i Knew miss Edd leslie UNTIL i met, you, Honestly,
now why was? Cheefcake? Right BUT i knew about THE
i knew that there WAS i. HAD i had deduced
on my own that there was SOME i, Mean i'll
tell you WHAT i. Knew at least it had been
since nineteen eighty, nine since they teamed, up, yeah Against

(01:20:00):
zeus And, savage AND i knew. That you, KNOW i
deduced when the when the accident happened in nineteen, Ninety
well that was the big lynch pin of The WrestleMania nine. Thing, yeah, right,
Exactly but they Acted they never said, When they never
said when it. Was BUT i just figured it out
because well he stopped wrestling there all of a, sudden

(01:20:22):
right and then he then he was on just ON.
Tv but it does beg the question like that brought
them closer, together but like why were they hanging out
in the first place? Together? Right? Right they were? Friends
like this was NOT i, mean, yes THE a Nine,
summers they gave you a, hint but they didn't tell
this story of them being life long friends because they
didn't want you to Know Hulk cogan Was terry boleya From.
Tampa but They but it's just weird because they certainly,

(01:20:43):
did because they certainly allowed him to say friend till the,
end to the, end you, know which makes you REALLY
i don't, know that makes you think of a friend
who's been with you for a long. Time, well we
keep going at the, Beginning we keep going back, to you,
Know Steve planamena saying to that newspaper reporter in nineteen eighty, nine,
like if you're going to write about his life Before Hulk,
hogan if you're gonna write about you, know him growing

(01:21:04):
up In, Florida we're not gonna. Participate we're not gonna
help you with this. Article, sorry we just can't do.
That because he has to be From Venice, Beach, California right,
exactly you, know be From. Florida it's so funny to
Hear terry talk, about like in all these interviews about
how like he go To Lake alabama or he go to,
like you, know Chieflynd. Florida they couldn't believe someone was From.
California it blew their mind as if like he was

(01:21:25):
a god walking in because he was From. California and it's, Like,
terry you're. Projecting, okay that's you're Watching, arnold and that's
you Watching venice At, beach and that's you thinking someone
is worth a shit because they're From, california like like
your first wife for. Instance, yeah, exactly. Exactly all, right
let's see What edward has to say. Here Cocoa beach
the owner of one of The oh, no that's just

(01:21:46):
The Coco Beach chapter, Three Coco beach. Erect Cocoa beach
is not the owner of one of the. Clubs as
far AS i, know it's not the owner of one
of the. Clubs Whitey, BRIDGES i keep wanting to, Say,
BULGER i know it's. ON i know be was an
older guy from the gym that we all. Liked he
had long blonde hair and big arms and was fun
to WORK i work out. With he had been talking

(01:22:08):
about revamping his bar with a hard rock, theme and
he wanted one of his boys at the gym to
take up the. Job terry was the obvious. Choice why
Would terry be the obvious choice to ten? Bars right? Right? Brother?
Exactly you? Know ten barbroom. Attention maybe it's because he's

(01:22:31):
good at tending. Handlebars, yeah he had played Many he
played in many bands on The tampa. Scene but he
was hesitant at first because White he's bar was about
two hours away over A cocoa. Beach no. Wonder he
bitched about driving To. Tallahassee that's too, Far Jesus, christ,

(01:22:51):
listen thirty minutes is too long of a drive for
this fucking. CLOWN i, Mean God, almighty you. Know that
meant he would have to Leave tampa behind a number
of his friends and the gym was pretty much his.
Life he was, torn, however because he needed the. Money
why he, said if he took the, job he wouldn't
have to worry about leaving the gym. Behind they would

(01:23:12):
build their own gym right On Cocoa beach to running
conjunction with the. Bar he also Promised terry that if
he ever wanted to get back into, wrestling he could
do everything he could to. Help terry asked all his
friends and weightlifting buddies to go To Coco. Beach oh my, god, like,
brother do? You why won't you guys come with? Me?
Brother why everyone just packed their backs right? NOW i

(01:23:35):
won't go, together. DUDE i, mean IF i had A Cocoa,
beach CAN i Bring tampa with me To Cocoa? Beach?
WHITEY i, mean it's exactly what. IT i. Mean this
this adds new light to the whole thing About Brian
knobbs always being around the, house like having these these,
these these, people this this, entourage always needing an. Entourage so. Funny.

(01:23:59):
Uh he was also taking on a management role at
The Anchor club and could hire his friends to. Help
make no mistake about, It The anchor was no sailor's
club like what you would see in the Movie. Philadelphia,
OKAY i don't know that sounds Like Kenny casanova there
hadn't found the turns of. Phrase it was, anything but

(01:24:20):
it was anything but a gay bar like why, well, yeah,
okay you if you can't forget that this book came
out right After linda in her like post divorce like,
mania was saying that they had a gay. Affair, remember oh,
Right oh my, god this brute is gonna spill the
tea on them fucking each other in the. Book it's,
like it's just, like so fucking's still a weird thing

(01:24:41):
to fucking say, THOUGH i, Mean steppenwolf was even booked
to play there at. Schools it may have sounded to
him none Of terry's close friends wanted to give up
their jobs and run. AWAY i Was terry's absolute last.
Resort so Finally terry called me the kid he kind
of picked, on and asked me to go To coco

(01:25:03):
to help set up the bar and run the gym with.
Him we got to talk and AND i put the idea
of wrestling back into his. Head it's, LIKE i don't
want him to go to Fucking. TAMPA i, MEAN i
want to go To Cocoa. Beach i'm fine. Here how
about you wrestle? Again. Uh we planned to make the
club do well so it could run itself and then
just shift our efforts over to the. GYM i do, love,
love love love That terry would have taken anyone with

(01:25:26):
him over Ed, leslie but it was the only one
willing to go the last. Resort, unbelievable like friend to the, End,
yeah because he went to Fucking Cocoa beach with, him
not from the beginning to the, end right right, exactly
not for, yeah not for him from the, beginning but
friend to the, end except not really? Anyway right didn't?
They did they? Ever make? Up they did? Not then

(01:25:48):
you were made?

Speaker 4 (01:25:49):
Up?

Speaker 3 (01:25:49):
Wow look at. That even though he fucking stood right by,
him fucking transfused blood into his, body he was there
for him when the accident. Happened that is. True i'm,
Sure i'm. SURE i don't know how much blood he gave, him.
Though so there at our gym we could train huge

(01:26:15):
and hopefully look for a return to the. Ring, so
With terry agreen to a new focus back at, WRESTLING
i dropped everything to go off with him and try
to become. Famous the anchor was a hard rock club
right out of The brunt on The beach off of
five and. Twenty oh, SHIT i know what that. Is
Fucking we took over and started the first steps to

(01:26:36):
make it into the place to Be once the bar
was reset and restocked and, Reopened terry became the bartender
and worked the door at. Night my role was. IMPORTANT
i stocked the place with the best CUSTOMERS i could
and made sure to weed out the riff. Raff being
the guy at the door was good for me in
my game because it MEANT i had the absolute first
shot at the hottest girl in the club as she

(01:26:58):
was walking through the, door flirted with the, girls and
talked locker room filth with the. Boys, yes it helped
make me into the social BUTTERFLY i am. Today we
worked long hours and long and crazy hours for many,
weeks but it paid off. Eventually it was the in
place to be some confirmation from some you Know facebook

(01:27:20):
groups that remember The Anchor club people saying, yes, Indeed
terry never worked the, door but he tended the front
bar very close to the. Door so that's. Why Because
hogan always pushed back and they day that he was
ever a, bouncer he for some reason didn't like that,
connotation probably, because as we're about to find, out bouncers
at The Anchor club did not have the best reputation
at least as far as the press was, concerned and as,

(01:27:43):
always there's a reason That terry is trying to throw
scents off the trail early and often in his retelling of.
Things so we turned now To hogan's first book to
figure out how quickly it went From we're living the
high life to maybe not so much because the bar
is enough or N, Hogan the idea for a gym

(01:28:04):
With whitey doesn't come until after he comes To Anchor,
club not as part of the initial, launch he says
in his first. Book at. Least then after a, WHILE
i said to why do you, listen, brother we're both
in a working. Out we should open a gym. Together
so fucking. Confusing i'm just picturing like like a big
storyboard and like a writer's, room where, like, yep every

(01:28:26):
little point on the timeline has six versions of every. Story,
uh you know for sure it. Does and the and
the absolutely subsequent versions exist just to counteract the previous.
Version you. Know it's, like, oh they would have come
up with another one if they didn't want. To, exhausting
it's exhausting to keep up with. Him we're both in
the working. Out we show me a gym. Together he

(01:28:46):
thought it was a good, idea and we opened a
place Called whitey's And Terry's Olympic. Gym get the fuck
out of town In Cape, Canaveral whitey's And Terry's Olympic.
Gym anyone who went? There it's That. TERRY i, mean
do you is? This did this place legitimately? Exist let's
take a look at your window. There oh my, gosh

(01:29:08):
what do we? Have shout outs To matt for Fining,
wow look at that fucking. Thing, WOW i see kind
of a pink shirt with basically a drawing Of Arnold schwartzenegger. Opposing,
yeah totally Is Arnold schwarzenegger like in the seventies and
says White e's And terry's trained With florida's Finest olympic

(01:29:32):
gym one to Eighteen Jackson, Ave Cape, Canaveral. Florida that is.
Insane CAN i suggest that is exact design coming to
a pro wrestling tea store near? You, Yeah i'm gonna
find a way That i'm going to get that one.
Going is that that's really og in the? Game. Yep
so that's what's christ. Existing the fact that you could

(01:29:54):
go to a gym owned by Hul cogan before he
Was Hul cogin In Cape, Canaveral, florida Called Tarryan Whitey's Olympic. Gym,
yeah endlessly fascinating to. Me you, know pumping iron pretty, well,
Right oh, yeah, yeah, y this qualifies it for cinema
as far As i'm. Concerned, Well schwarzenegger, alone he's A
hall Of famer, absolutely name if he wasn't even if

(01:30:14):
he didn't do, angles he was so. Influential, yeah, oh for.
Sure to that first generation of wrestlers to think of
bodybuilding as like a, shortcut you, know or or somehow
like a signifier that you were. Tough you. Know the
culture hadn't gotten over the idea that when you were that,
big you're actually kind of not tough because you're out
of gas in forty five. Seconds that showed that you were.

(01:30:37):
Badass and that's part of the. Reason according to people
that kind of were around the scene at the time
that have commented On facebook and other, forums part of
the reason it made sense For Whitey bridges to open
a gym was to give his muscle at the bar
a place to, train so they could look intimidating and
so they could throw people out of the bar if
they were misbehaving or whatever the case may, be or.

(01:30:58):
Not you, KNOW i, think as we're about to, establish
there's plenty of room for misbehaving at The Anchor. Club
it's just a question of whether or not it comes
from the quote unquote riff, raff as Ed leslie described.
Them so that's that's the, gym it, opens it, exists
and uh and so he's he's on his. Way do
we know how long it? Lasted it lasted about a?

(01:31:21):
Year oh. Wow, yeah we're gonna shoot ourselves straight ahead
to the end of the story. Here but, yeah that
that kind of closes down at the same time The
Anchor club closes. Down, uh it closes down for a
slightly different reasons and a slightly different, timeline as we're
about to. Establish so let's run a gym. Together so
NOW i was running the club and the gym at

(01:31:44):
the same, time AND i had my hands. Full it
doesn't sound like you were running, Anything. Terry it sounds
like you're art. Tending but right, EXACTLY i don't UNDERSTANDING
i NEED i need to understand. This This, uh this
math better here you want to get more. Confused, yes
remember the version of the story Where polk goes back
to his friends And, Hector's jim And tampa and asks
everyone to, come And ed's the only one who does

(01:32:05):
and they take off together For Coca. Beach square that with,
This so NOW i was running the club in the
gym at the same, time and add my hands, FULL
i needed a little. Help AND i had a friend
from back In tampa Named Ed leslie whose sister graduated
From Robinson High school with. Me so he his story,
is he goes To Cocoa, beach he sets up the,
gym the gym that Ed leslie goes into great detail
in his book about basically doing all the hard work

(01:32:27):
setting up and. Right but, no For hogan's, version it's already,
there and he invites ed into the. Universe, LISTEN i,
mean come, on what do you. Think who do you
think is tell the? Truth you imagine Ed leslie reading
this being like you? Motherfucker, OH i mean, LISTEN i
would hope the god he was furious With hogan after
all the shit that he makes. Up ed was a

(01:32:49):
couple of years behind us AFTER i got out of high.
School he was always tagging along and we would try
to ditch him because he was. Younger than we. Were My, god,
no you. Wouldn't we'd always tell. It we'd always tell
him we were going to the beat a ten o'clock
in the morning and we'd leave at eight. Instead but
EVENTUALLY i Became so that's confirmation From terry's, side because
the first time we relay that story about d being
set up at the beach like that was From AD's oone.

(01:33:10):
Book but There's terry confirming that he did. That but
EVENTUALLY i became good friends with Ed, leslie and WHEN i, said, hey,
MAN i need somebody to help me run the bar
in the, gym he was righting on. It the very
next day he quit his job and threw everything he
owned in it Was camaro and drove To Cocoa beach
without a second. Thought we worked together On Coco beach
for about a year and we never wanted to leave that.
Place it was rock and roll and weightlifting and go

(01:33:31):
to the beach and girls and partying and raising hell
all as rock. Roll, brother what A florida existence? That as,
huh rock and, roll, weightlifting going to the, beach girls. Partying,
yeah divorce. RIGHT i told Ed leslie that we would
never see another year like. That as long as we.
Lived but in the back of my, mind, BROTHER i

(01:33:52):
knew we should have something to fall back. On oh,
Boy SO i Told ED i would teach him how to.
Wrestle Oh Jesus. Christ so this, guy it didn't learn
enough to be anything but a laughing stock to the locker.
Room it's going to teach this guy to Wrest then
we could go back To tampa and. Wrestle if things
gonna work out for some, reason you had, terry we

(01:34:12):
could go back To. Tampa, okay, yeah, right, exactly exactly
entertained anything to get back. There we didn't have a
ring in the, gym BUT i could still show them
wrestling holes and how to. Move So ed AND i
spent that whole year messing, around never thinking we would
ever really have. That that's Why. Linda that's Why linda
thought they had a gay. Relationship right, there he puts
in his fucking, book messing, Around, yeah shaving each other's

(01:34:33):
asses and rolling, around sticking needles in our asses and
toering each. OTHER i, mean what else do you want
to call? IT i, mean, yeah you, know brother always
slept over each other's. Houses what do you want right fucking? Me,
brother what was a, problem. Dude everybody else was fucking
everybody else was fucking me in the, Business, DUDE i,
figure what the, hell, Brother, brother might as well just
get it for, real do them out and get it for.

(01:34:57):
Real i'd look for that prostate. Power. Dude he Had python,
power and he had prostate. Power depends how far back
you want to, go literally and. Figuratively, brother we didn't
have a. Ring, okay, yes So ed AND i never
really thought though we would ever have to Leave Cocoa. Beach, so,
yes SO i doesn't want to Leave Cocoa. BEACH i don't. Understand,

(01:35:21):
no he's doing a backup. Plan but at the same,
time they don't want the party to ever. END i,
see but you, KNOW i don't, Know and there's, something
some sneaking SUSPICION i have that part of the reason
it was so fun over there is because you could
get away with a. Lot, yes setting like, this you
could you could find yourself involved in all kinds of
illicit economies, potentially just just a. Thought, yes and so

(01:35:42):
we opened the gym because, apparently, uh you, know this
is the kind of place where you expected trouble with the. Patrons,
yeah you knew that was a necessary. Precondition you, did? Huh, okay.
Absolutely here's a post On facebook from someone Named, tom
who apparently used to work in a similar capacity as
Had leslie at The Anchor club all those years. AGO

(01:36:03):
i remember all of us At Anchor, club he, writes
With Whitey, bridges who actually rented a gym, Rented, wow
rented a little bit, There, okay rented a gym for
us to work out at so we could keep the
bad guys. Out hulk was. IRREGULAR i remember it was
near a bar in Car, Washing Cocoa. Beach. Wow time
flies as we all went our separate ways and for

(01:36:24):
the most and for most of us attained our dreams and.
Goals someone, Responds, Whitey whitey And Terry's olympic gym On
Jackson street And Cape. Canaveral it's where all of us
young muscleheads went to work. Out on the back of
THE t shirts it said bodybuilders have more meat and
stay hard. Longer, okay well that's gonna be on the

(01:36:45):
shirt for. Sure that's WHEN i ended the last episode with.
That that's that's where that's where it came. From. Wow
the back Of terry bulay On Whitey bridges short lived
gym enterprise in house t shirt slogan someone else posting
On facebook in the late. Seventies as a, teen a
friend AND i finished our beer in the Booby. Trap feeling,
bold we decided to take on The Anchor. Club as

(01:37:07):
we approached the, entrance both doors flew open from the
inside And terry And don held a man in between.
Them they carried him out and threw him straight up
into the. Air the man landed in the, street face,
first on his hands and, knees right in front of.
Us we suddenly became, meek went inside and. Behaved i'll
say you're better back flock back To beefcake's. Book right
next door to the Bar white he rented a little

(01:37:29):
building that used to be an insurance. Agency during the,
DAY i transformed myself into a. Contractor to make sure
that the gym would be everything we wanted it to.
Be we gutted it. Out now it's worth noting That
ed actually came from like a not a landscape architect,
background but he did work for Like he did like
landscaping work for like rich properties before he got, involved

(01:37:53):
so he actually he knew his way around a. Project
a building. Project we gutted it out completely and started
to build our IDEAL gm brick by, brick piece by.
Piece it turned out That whitey was a really good.
Welder we, cut created and painted all of our own
exercise equipment from. Scratch we loaded up the anchor bars
van at The York Barbell company probably a dozen times

(01:38:14):
so full of weights that it sat probably a foot
lower with its frame almost scraping the. Ground sometime in
nineteen seventy, six Our Olympic gym was finally open to the,
public just in time for the bi. Centennial. Boss, Yeah
i'll say that's. Perfect, well like The Bicep, tenniel there we.
Go we had our own t shirts that read quote
bodybuilders have more meat and stay harder. Longer oh my. God,

(01:38:35):
yes Ed leslie writes we were. Pigs we had very
few members at, first but that was because we were.
Selective whitey still made decent money in the, bar so
he didn't care either. Way the gym was more of
a project of passion and a way for us to
get ring, ready yes and ring rats and ring. Rats
well we'll get. There so this is what's happening In

(01:38:57):
terry And Whitey's Olympic gym and nineteen seventy. Six according
To Ed leslie here speaking TO rf, video.

Speaker 10 (01:39:05):
We uh started up the gym over there and trained
six days a, week seven days a, week twice a
day for over a. Year and then you, KNOW i
didn't have a drink of alcohol and just just bear it,
down just got. Huge and he went up to like
three hundred and thirty, pounds AND i went up to
like two. Sixty you, know you, know we just just got,

(01:39:26):
huge and we, figured you, know would be so big
that somebody's going to give us a. Break you, know
even you, know, somewhere, somehow somebody's going to, say these,
guys you, know somebody's got to give.

Speaker 3 (01:39:37):
Them a, chance right that what of course happened, eventually,
yes but not. There but they know that they build
their bodies up enough that those wrestling paychecks are going to.
Grow say what you, will but you, Know hogan stood
out for a size from the, beginning even if they
were just interested in hazing him in the, beginning but

(01:39:58):
he learned a. Lesson it's because this big THAT i
even got in the door in the first, place, Right
and so we just got to get as big as
we possibly. Can to never forget the words Of Vic,
pettitt who, Said Diana ball and this is my this
is my way to the world title right. Here So
edward calls because you know the thing, Is i'm sure

(01:40:18):
the bar is turning a. Profit i'm sure it's all you,
know fun, times fast. Money but you know the gym's
not making any. Money he just said, it, Right how
are they living such a to high end. LIFE i,
mean what else might they be? Trafficking AND i don't,
know uh oh uh, OH i Just i'm. ASKING i
don't have the. Answer i'm just trying to question out there. Right,

(01:40:39):
well you've kick. Rights we trained hard at the gym
for like a, year but never really brought in any.
Money the real reason it didn't grow was we didn't let.
It the one rule of our gym was no girls.
Allowed that's. Right we wanted to be a hardcore, bodybuilding iron,
pumping real weight lifting gym like you would see in
That Arnold swartzenegger Film Pumping. Iron we wanted it to be.

(01:40:59):
Gritty we wanted it to be smash. Mouthed we wanted
guys swearing up a storm and getting. Jacked this formula,
however didn't equate to dollars and. Cents it was a
very specific member that we were looking. For there was
one girl who would make a gym appearance from time to. Time,
however she was the one who sold us our cast
register when we mostly just saw her at the.

Speaker 9 (01:41:17):
Bar mm.

Speaker 3 (01:41:18):
HMM i want to introduce, you boss to who the
boys Called Bahama. Mama, oh my, Goodness Bahama, Mama Bahama,
Mama Bahama, mama the complete Hull. Coogan, oh you're damn fucking.
Right she was connected to all the fishermen in the,
area which meant she could get anything you wanted from

(01:41:41):
anywhere in the. World m she could get any kind
of herbal tea mm, hmm supplement, yes or drug yes
that you can. Imagine that wasn't really our scene at
the time though at the, time. Bullshit we weren't much into. Drugs.
Bullshit there was a little pot around and M m

(01:42:03):
maybe some hash here and, there but corner cocaine and
but you, know not real. Drugs but we would never
get too crazy back, then. Brother Bahama mama was. Funny
she would come into the, bar, yes with a big,
bag yes that had everything in. It, yes AND i mean. Everything,

(01:42:24):
yes she had everything From rolex watches to rare, thimbles
To cuban cigars to hardcore. Narcotics yes she. Did why
why why why did you just say yes she? Did
BECAUSE i Because listen must always keep her, around all,

(01:42:45):
Right that's why you keep her. Around Fucking Bahama. Mama
you're damn fucking. Right where's that? Contraband mm, hmmm where
are those? Narcotics? Yes one Time edward calls a very
rich businessman at the bar ordered some weird exotic. Drink

(01:43:06):
terry didn't have the right booze for, it But Bahama
mama did and it was right in her. Bag terry
bought the, bottle mixed it, up and then split a
pretty good tip With bahama M. YEAH i suggest that's
not the only tip that the or the crew back
then would split. With Bahama. MAMA i imagine that you are.
Correct SO i pick up what you're throwing down At.

(01:43:28):
Leslie i'm reading between the, lines and they appear to
be lines of. Cocaine m. H Upon hulkogan's, passing it
really struck. Me In Dave meltzer's excellent obituary on hulkogin
he felt emboldened to say a couple of things that
maybe Well terry was around he knew but didn't. Publish,
yes one of them was the. Following the publicist this

(01:43:52):
is to, Say Hulk cogan's, publicist who he refers to
as a publicist and never names him or, her noted
to me that they were scared during the course of
The vince McMahons steroid trial that this would be the
end For, hogan even though he had just signed a
deal with W w and that company was going to
be built around. HIM i noted him testifying that he

(01:44:12):
lied On Arsignio hall and had been taking steroids since
nineteen seventy. Seven, wow which was a lock that it
would come out and not going to damage him to
wrestling fans most already knew. That she noted that they
realized the damage of him admitting usage of steroids wasn't

(01:44:32):
going to, hurt but she feared that in cross EXAMINATION
wwe attempt to ruin his character and, credibility or that
somehow it would come out that he he terribo. Lea,
yes was a drug, Dealer, yes, yes about. It give

(01:45:06):
me that cocoa beach, Beach, yeah that fucking talk at those.
Proceeds whether that was from his early Days meltzer rights
in The Gulf, coast which is soon to come as
he returns to the wrestling business and works The Gulf coast,
territory or perhaps something else that gave the government leverage
on him where he took the immunity in exchange for.

(01:45:26):
Testifying it's one of the Things terry says in The
netflix documentary On vince McMahon is that at some point
he was led to believe that the government had enough
on him to put him away for seventeen years unless
they essentially believed that he was going to say what
they wanted him to say About vince. McMahon hulk got the,
Immunity there is an, understanding and he takes the stand

(01:45:50):
and don't help the, hide and he absolutely tells a
different story than the prosecution gave him immunity to. Tell that's,
right THAT'S i think that's the generally accept did version
of what happened on that fateful day In july nineteen
ninety four In, Uniondale Long, Island New. York and who
knows how far back they went digging who knows who

(01:46:11):
From terry's pass they may have established touch with to
get a, case perhaps around the idea That hogan wasn't
just using drugs but may have been selling. Them elsa,
writes the immunity was signed and you should have seen
the prosecutor's faces When hogan testified that he was never

(01:46:32):
supplied drugs by McMahon or drugs were sent from McMahon to.
Him he explained that Doctor George saharian would send steroids
for both he and McMahon to McMahon's office In, Stanford,
connecticut and the two would then split up the drugs
in the. Package do you remember both one of the
subtleties from the trial of his life our coverage Of
vince McMahons steroid, trial word for word from the court,
transcript the Pains hulk took on the stand to say

(01:46:56):
that any time he gave someone else steroids mm, hmm
it was because they had already given him some and
he was just making up for. That it was always
couched that, way because then you can't claim that he's
selling them or distributing them to, anybody because he's not
making a. Profit he's already interrears these people every, time

(01:47:19):
and he never receives the order or makes the. Order
he's always got a guy on the phone with him
Making come, on as if they're not both on the
phone making the. Order And terry gets the order and
gives it to that, guy or that guy gets the
order and gives it To. Terry suddenly we're in a
distribution situation and we can't have. That k fiz abe
the STIs. Aeroids mm, hmmm meuncer Continues Laura, brevetti the

(01:47:42):
attorney For lenna McMahon and the Current Ring boys, trial
came out with giant binders of information On hogan to
ruin his credibility and cross examination if, necessary because he's
up there on behalf of THE us. Government but when
he can imagine what was in those, files can you?
Imagine are you gonna you're gonna bet me dollars to?

(01:48:03):
Donuts and once in those files doesn't stretch back To
terry And Whitey's jim or. Clubs, absolutely they're gonna have, listen,
listen come, on all, right we know what kind of
lawyers they. Hired we hired, lawyers all. Right they hired
lawyers who were ready for, war, ye all, right and

(01:48:27):
they there's not a single thing if you Crossed vince
literally on that. Stand, yep there's not a single thing
you'd ever done wrong that they didn't have proof of
in their little binders. There, yep just in case you
stepped out of.

Speaker 4 (01:48:40):
Line.

Speaker 3 (01:48:40):
Yep there's a Reason vince didn't have to, Testify, yes lave,
attorney they didn't need a. Defense but When hogan testified For,
vince melts her. Rights she never used any of. It
it appeared the content of what they knew is what
Scared hogan's, publicist and the real damage never came out

(01:49:01):
in the. Trial But meltzer does note during this period
Both David, schultz doctor d who of course was a
close friends Of hulks from The Gulf coast all the
way through THE awa and Pack holt brought him in
right behind him in eighty four To New, york And Randy,
colly who was the Future moondog, member who was the

(01:49:22):
very first person to testify Against vince McMahon and his
steroid trial and who talked at length about steroid culture
and THE. Wwf both of these gentlemen told Erv, muchnik
who wrote a lot of seminal stories about these. Scandals
at this point in, time who wrote the Book Wrestling
babylon that we've talked a lot about over the. Years.
Ye Both David schultz And Randy colly TOLD Irv muchnik

(01:49:45):
That hulko was a drug connection for. Them, yes he.
Was how about this note from an observer in nineteen ninety,
Two schultz said Hog and sold a potpourri of drugs
throughout the eighties and was known in wrestling circles as

(01:50:08):
The Dampa.

Speaker 4 (01:50:09):
Pipeline what.

Speaker 3 (01:50:12):
Can you prepare A Tampa pipeline? Shirt? Please? YEAH i,
mean holy, shit you're you're killing me. Here now we've
met doctor D, yes he's that curious mix of he'll say,
anything but he's also like kind of lawyered. Up he's
a private. Investigator he doesn't leave eyes dotted and eyes

(01:50:35):
undotted and t's on crossed in terms of what he's.
Saying it might everything he says might have an agenda
and trying to force concessions from people or. Whatever but
he is not an. Idiot he is not an. Idiot
he is not a guy, no who is not cerebral
about what he does and how he moves through the
world and WHAT i had trouble doing and maybe folks

(01:50:57):
in the solar system could help was pinning down because
it's kind of. Convoluted in the article where this allegation was,
MADE i think what it was was there was A
penhouse magazine. Article Erv muchnik would sell stories To. Penhouse
he wrote a very seminal piece on levon erics as
one of the first full magazine, length nationally distributed stories
on that whole saga that would provide the blueprint for

(01:51:18):
retelling after, retelling including the lamentable tragedy of what happened.
There and he did a similar piece in nineteen ninety
two For penhouse about all of the steroid and all
of The Tom cole and all of The Ring boy
And Murray hodgson and all that stuff that was floating
around from a scandal perspective IN wwf at the. TIME
i believe it was from that article which it appeared
From The. OBSERVER i was looking at That neltzer got
an advanced view at because he was writing about its

(01:51:41):
contents well at the same, time saying it was to be,
published and kind of talking about What titan was and
wasn't doing to try to counteract its. Publication but it
was couched in an article about. That SO i, think
BECAUSE i can't find the exact, snippet BUT i think
That schultz makes that allegation about distribution about The tampa
pipeline in that, article which is not easy to. Find

(01:52:04):
AND Irv muschnik has republished a lot of the stuff
he did during that time, period AND i do not
believe this piece is among. Them so it's kind of.
Interesting one can see why you might. Not you might
be convinced of Your David schultz to step back a
little bit From, yeah that. Strong but you can't Say
tampa pipeline ever and not have a. Echo you. Can't

(01:52:24):
and the fact That Hull cogan didn't Sue David schultz
immediately after he said that says something to, me knowing
how litigious he would, become and knowing how surrounded he
was by lawyers looking to Destroy he did write in
his Book Rustling Babon. NUTS. Rv muchik did write In Wrestling.

(01:52:45):
Babylon But hogan's drug abuse went beyond, steroids according To David.
Schultz he Says hogan also used, cocaine, marijuana, uppers. Downers
sheltz's Friend Randy, cully who wrestled under the names of
the assassin And. Moon Doug rex confirms Quote me And
ogan ran around. Together he was real bold about steroid,
use and he also did, placidyl, coeludes, cocaine just normal.

(01:53:09):
STUFF i don't see what the big. Dealing but if
we really want to go to the if we want
to go to the very heart Of, Yes hulk cog
and Hate, Yes if we really want to get something that,
sounds you, know totally, firm something that wasn't followed up
by a, lawsuit something from someone who's actually gone up

(01:53:29):
Against hulk and invents an Illegal irenian. Triumphed we got
to go right to the source for truth On Terry
boleya and whether or not he was engaged in such.
ACTIVITY i present to you on The Grim Messenger.

Speaker 11 (01:53:43):
Show what Did Hull cogan say about steroids that bothered?

Speaker 5 (01:53:50):
You he said he never took. Him why actually when
he was Sharing, minneapolis that's whore you went to get him. For. Yeah, really,
well he'll say that's not. True but for, him like
the common laugh used to be when he used to
tell the kids to say their prayers and take their

(01:54:12):
vitamins in the dressing, room we'd always laugh and say
oorals or.

Speaker 3 (01:54:16):
Injectables, wow did he just not say? That not only
Did terry take them In, minneapolis he was the one
you would go to to get. Them, yes.

Speaker 11 (01:54:29):
What Did Hulk hogan say about steroids that bothered?

Speaker 5 (01:54:35):
You he said he never took.

Speaker 11 (01:54:37):
Them that was a.

Speaker 5 (01:54:39):
Lie, actually when he was here In, minneapolis that's who
you went to get him.

Speaker 3 (01:54:44):
From that's. RIGHT i remember that he's no third, party first,
Party Helk. Hogan how we, feeling? Boss we tingling a little,
bit as you, say. Electrified, well let's pain a fuller,

(01:55:07):
picture shall. We let's understand what the. Look, look look
he's gotta and he's got a fucking sprawling spread in Fucking. Florida,
ah give it to. ME i, mean why is he
the guy that gym culture running his own? Gym? MMM

(01:55:30):
i don't. Know, well maybe the whole thing is on
the up and. Up maybe there's not a whiff of
illicit activity About Anchor. Club maybe that's. There it's normal,
Behavior come, on normal, establishment catering to normal. Patrons, no
no ill repute, here, right they're getting rid of the.
Rifference it's not it's not a den of booze and

(01:55:55):
sex and, drugs not at, all not at. All the
emphasis is on the, youth, Right, yes why don't you
read this little. Snippet this is From let's see what
year is this? From this is From florida, today nineteen seventy,
three upon the opening Of Anchor club And Coco. Beach
So hulk is still on the road playing. Music Anchor

(01:56:16):
club's emphasis is on. Youth The Anchor, club newly Opening Cocoa,
beach is now the plushest place In brevard for young.
Adults it is a, large low lit, room carpeted and
red and permeated with an air of, sophistication located near
the beach at the end OF sr. Five the club

(01:56:39):
used to be known as The Golden guinea And Ore
room before it became The. Anchor it closed many months
ago and is now open under the management Of Whitey
Bridges james Whitey, Bridges. Jim so that's how it was

(01:57:00):
written up when it, opened it was, yes and you
know under new management now emphasis on. Youth that would
be tough later when they were constantly being visited by
inspectors looking for underage serving in a culture where everyone
seems to have a story of using a FAKE id
to get served in these clubs back then in the,
seventies but nonetheless that was the sort of go to.

(01:57:21):
Market As Whitey bridges takes over the Former Golden Guinea
Or room And Cocoa beach just about three years before
he convinces his gym Buddy Terry bolay to make the. Drive,
now at some, point of, course it seems That ruckus
comes through and plays the, club which establishes the connection
That hogan leans on later and quitting. WRESTLING i just
emailed to you bost some clips From Florida today from

(01:57:44):
nineteen seventy. Four this is a year after it. Opened
and this helps us color in a little bit. More
it's an article really about bartending and, stuff but it
gets us into gets us into the frame of mind
as to what World Terry boleya was stepping into by
making that, long arduous two hour drive To Cocoa. Beach
can start on one page one AND i will, oh

(01:58:07):
it's one, Okay, Sonia and, yeah there's a, continuation but
it's the piece entitled take your basic shot, glass. Brother
let's let's do the best we can to get inside
The Anchor. Club oh, yes, indeed we'll get in there
and we'll get in there. Hard here we, go and

(01:58:28):
just zoom in here for my fucking forty four year old.
Eyes Here Carl haysen is on the. Scene, oh it's
just a tiny. Mistake who can read those labels in
the dim? Light row upon row of liquor, bottles all
the same, size all capped identically with pouring. Funnels, yes so.

(01:58:51):
Confusing so confusing the gin with the vodka is not
a totally unforgivable. Error both liquids look. Alike who would ever, Know,
well maybe the customer and maybe bartender del, favero who's
looking over your. Shoulder what's the big deal if you
pour a beer and there's three inches of SuDS on,

(01:59:13):
top so the customer gets his nose a little wet
trying to drink. It just a minor, detail, right, Wrong
ask any. Bartender of, course there is a right and
wrong way to pour a, beer and certainly every bottle
has its, place and a good bartender worth his jigger
doesn't need to check the label before. Pouring letting letting

(01:59:37):
a teetotaler teetotaler teet total someone who doesn't, Drink, okay
letting a teetotaler tend the bar is like dropping a
non swimmer in the middle of The Atlantic, ocean especially
if the bars at The Anchor club one of the
liveliest hotspots in the. County let's fucking. Go did Ed
leslie not say we didn't have a drop of alcohol back?
Then they're talking About Terry. Blea, Yes bara has spent

(02:00:00):
fifteen years Behind cocoa beach. Bars he's a very patient,
man especially when it comes to explaining the basics of good. Bartending,
hey you start with the, mechanics he, said pointing to
the tray where the, vodka, Gin scotch and other mainstays
are kept behind the, BAR a rose and rows of
all the popular, Brands Jack, Daniels Canadian, Club Jim, beam old.

(02:00:20):
Granddad names that mean little to a stayed beer, drinker
but warm the hearts and wet the whistles of. Connoisseurs,
well you have to learn the different, Glasses favero. Said
this is A collins. Glass over here is there basic shot.
Glass this one is a champagne, glass and this is for,

(02:00:41):
cordials and so. On another. RELEVATION a glass is not a,
glass is not a? Glass, true all glasses hold, booze
but filling a champagne glass with brandy is bad manners
like eating peas with a, Spoon making a drink isn't
really too, Difficult but in the darkness of the, bar
with a suspicious customer scrutinizing your, technique it's perfectly understandable

(02:01:05):
how one could actually miss the glass the first. Time
there's no problem to clean up a little puddle of.
Bourbon experienced bartenders can whip up the wildest, potion how
about a purple body honey faster than you can shake
a swizzle. Stick but when novas pouring a simple gin
and tonic can present a monumental challenge in precision and.

(02:01:26):
Grace favero gladly outline a couple safety tips for. Bartenders for,
instance it's not a bad idea to cover the glass
while squeezing a twist of lime into a, Drink otherwise
the customer could end up with a sour case of
citrus in the. Eye another possible pitfall is the cocktail.

(02:01:47):
Shaker make sure it covers the glass real, tight real
tight before, Shaking otherwise the drink won't be on the,
rocks but on your trousers and pop on your customer
pretending books it was, learned are not particularly helpful in

(02:02:08):
a commercial situation and do not inspire confidence in. Customers favero,
said the same drink may have five different. Names so
one could spend an hour scanning these handy paper zoom. In,
sorry fucking really fucking small is the job that Apparently terry.

(02:02:30):
Took continue to say, it, says, uh one could spend
an hour scanning these handy paperbacks and still never find the.
Recipe tequila is the big thing, now he. Said the
kids like Tequila sunrise and The Harvey. Wallbanger what the
fuck is The Harvey. Wallbanger you never heard of that.

(02:02:50):
BEFORE i never heard of any. One i've never heard
of that one. Before, yeah IT'S i, MEAN i love,
listen love me some Tequila Harvey wallbanger. Has it's a
screwdriver with Oh, golliano which is a sweet herbal liquor with,
vanilla a liqueur with vanilla. End so it's not made
with it's not way with. Tequila he just fucking talked about.

(02:03:13):
Tequila he lists. This he, says tequila is the big thing.
Now the kids like the Tequila sunrise and The Harvey.
Wallbanger but The harvey wallbanger doesn't, KNOW i don't. KNOW
i just Now favera has just fucking lost my. Confidence
the young crowd would rather drink something on the sweet
side rather than to suffer through a harsh whiskey. Taste

(02:03:35):
after reviewing the mechanics of bartending from the public relations
end of this, business let's go a few people crying
their beer at The anchor, club he. Said most come to.
Laugh things are usually too busy and too loud for
any serious heart to heart discussions with the. Bartenders this
is not your neighborhood. Saloon people don't come here to

(02:03:57):
talk about their. Troubles it's not like bartenders are ministers asshole.
Ha but even if, they it sounds, like even if
they wanted it to, be it's not gonna. Happen so, yeah,
Right but a big part of the business is knowing,
people and after fifteen, Years Del favero. Does there at
the end of the bar or a couple of well
dressed businessmen, regulars but four stools down are three minutes

(02:04:21):
pegged is out of town or it's possibly conventioners and
two young. Ladies i'd say twenty one or twenty two
unattached but not necessarily. Looking maybe they came just to
hear the. Band, favero thirty, five said he communicates well
both with the younger and older. CUSTOMERS i try to
stay on top of. Things i'm right in the. Middle

(02:04:42):
ha Ha oh that's. Reassuring, Yeah i'm right in the.
MIDDLE i can look back and see myself WHEN i
was twenty. Five The anchor club is frequented by, singles he,
said most looking for conversation and. Companionship oh, boy that's
a why and, man that's a fucking conversation and. Companionship

(02:05:03):
SO i don't, know talking and fucking fucking maybe and
fucking fucking, yeah, well fucking fucking we might just get.

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Sorrow men on the prow are more likely to stand
up than sit down to the bar to. Talk as
long as he's sitting, down he can't, Operate favero, explained
was a. Surgeon but as long as he's, mobile he's doing.
Good is that what he says he's doing. Good as

(02:06:30):
long as he's, mobile he's doing. GOOD i don't get
what that. Means but it's all mystery talk at The Anchor,
Club isn't it really? Is Jesus, Christ he asked the
man it would take two weeks to fully train a tenderfoot.
Bartender at least one generous customer found it in his
heart to leave a fifty cent tip to a Bumbling

(02:06:50):
today reporter who almost turned his Black russian into a
red Faced. Floridian just make sure everybody's having a good,
Time favero. Said that's easy as long as everyone Orders. Budweiser,
oh that's, easy as long as everyone Orders. Budweiser but
the first time someone orders A yoho, cocktail or A
Monkey gland or A Gin, sin that's the time to

(02:07:13):
beat a hasty retreat to the other side of the.
Bar that's fucking Wild florida. Today august, sixteenth nineteen seventy. Nine,
Yes Michael kosek sat in the witness Chair wednesday and
gave a, simple forceful answer to charge as he fatally
stabbed an eighteen year Old pennsylvania Man may. TWENTY i

(02:07:35):
did not kill that man, Whatsoever, Yes, kosek twenty, five
Told Circuit court jurorers he had nothing to do with
the murder Of Gary hicks Of, Botstown, pennsylvania but could
give no reason Why witness after witness over two days
had linked him to the slaying at A Cocoa beach.
Bar you tell me, why and then we'll both, know
he told. Prosecutors the Former chicago man said he was

(02:07:56):
at another bar When hicks was. Stabbed the bloody knife
found By lease in his car was not, his that
his own knife had been stolen from the vehicle on
the night of the. Murder friends from Two melbourne bars
testify That kosek was peaceful and truthful. Man his former, girlfriend,
however later identified the hunting knife linked to the death As.
Cosseks she also told jurors he had admitted to the

(02:08:18):
murder and asked her to lie for him to. Police
other patrons of the bar then returned to the stand
to identify the knife with its broken tipped blade as
the one they Saw koseck wear and hold only days
before the. Murder, hicks a technical school senior who came
To Cocoa beach In, may died of a single heart
wound inflicted at The Ocean View, bar fourteen nine Ozer
Ocean Beach. Boulevard kosek faces his charges of first brother

(02:08:43):
basis charges a first degree, murder, kidnapping aggravated, assault and
false imprisonment stemming From hick's death about two thirty Am may,
twentieth and an assault made on an eyewitness to the.
Murder attorneys for both sides will give their closing arguments
on the case starting at nine thirty am today In.
Titusville in a sometimes booming, Voice coseck gave a point

(02:09:04):
by point denial to testimony offered by a list of state.
Witnesses he said he did not Threaten hicks in the
bar early on the night of the, killing and did
not gesture For hicks to go outside where he was.
Stabbed he said he had never even Met. Hicks two
witnesses if testified they Saw coseck Kill hicks with a
single blow outside the, bar one of, Them Jerry. Goodner
the second also Said koseck forced him to go To koseack's,

(02:09:25):
car where the accused stashed his. Knife kosick said he
spent most of the evening at the Nearby Anchor. Club,
yes he did dancing for a while with Girlfriend Debra. Cole.
Yes he said he stopped only briefly at The Ocean View,
bar bought a beer at the Adjacent Booby Trap, lounge
then returned to The Anchor club before the. Slaying, However

(02:09:49):
cole Said coseck told her differently after he was. Arrested
he told, Me peppery just killed a man at The.
Trap tell the, POLICE i danced all night with you
at The Anchor.

Speaker 4 (02:09:57):
Club.

Speaker 3 (02:09:59):
Yes. Florida, Today, Tuesday april twenty, fourth nineteen seventy, nine
A michigan man charged with rape remained in a Brevarc
county Jail monday. NIGHT a jail spokesman Said Rick James,
bird twenty, five was arrested Midnight saturday in the parking
lot of The Anchor club to Eleven Eescoco Beach, Causeway Coco,

(02:10:20):
beach in charge with sexual battery At Coco. Beach Police
department spokesman said the rape allegedly took place in the
back of a Green chevrolet station wagon parked in the
club's parking. Lot, yes the spokesman. Said. Florida, Today november,
seventh nineteen Eighty Gene byrd defeated candidate For Brevard County
sheriff Testified thursday on behalf of fellow Deputy William, wells

(02:10:42):
who was on trial here on charge as he violated
federal gun control. Laws bird Described wells as a family
man and a very sincere police. Officer it was a
veritable parade of deputies taking the witness stand As Deputies
Leonard lewis And Harvey smith also testifying for the temporarily Suspended.
Wells commenting On wells's reputation in the, Community lewis termed
it good And smith called it beyond. Reproach good. Reputation,

(02:11:03):
Notwithstanding wells admitted undercross examination by the PROSECUTING us attorney
that he did commit illegal acts in his moonlighting business
as a licensed gun. Dealer the thirty three year Old
wells admitted he illegally manufactured silencers and converted a semi
automatic carbine to a fully automatic machine gun without applying
for the necessary permits to do, so when he admitted

(02:11:24):
that he knew his actions were. Illegal in his own, defense,
however he said he manufactured and sold these illegal firearms
because he believed that the person he was selling them
to was A cia agent what preparing for a secret
mission In South america Or Puerto rico and. Reality the
man to whom he sold a twenty two caliber rifle
with a silence, or a thirty three caliber pistol with

(02:11:46):
a silence or and a machine, gun a three point
fifty seven revolver and three small pistols was A Us
treasury firearms. Agent wells said he was introduced to undercover
Agent Joseph benitez By arthur De soto of The Anchor
club In Cocoa. Beach De soto a co defendant but

(02:12:08):
currently a. Fugitive what the fuck you don't tell? Me
the manager of The Anchor club by nineteen eighty was
a fugitive was described By wells as a FORMER cia
operative In. Vietnam the former manager of The Anchor club

(02:12:28):
was described as a FORMER cia operative In. Vietnam, therefore
When desda approached him for illegal, guns and according To wall's,
testimony he, said it was for A cia operation In.
VIETNAM i served big. Fan, hey, Hey, terry the Name
DeSoto mean anything to? You you ever heard somebody Named? Deashoto?

(02:12:53):
Terry Huh? Tyrrell where's the At florida? Today, Tuesday june,
twentieth nineteen eighty, one the Seventh Breveri brevardian From Breward
county to be charged in the past year where the
legal gun sales will be, tried probably next. Month ARTHUR. G,
desto The Coco beach resident at the time the charges
were filed last, year was arrested In texas In december

(02:13:16):
and returned to federal custody In. Orlando pleaded. Innocent earlier
this month did De soto to thirteen charges of illegal
sales of. Firearms the charges list To soto as a
confederate of convicted Former Brevard sheriff's Deputy Bill. Wells, wells
who was found guilty of the same charges lodged against De,
soto was sentenced Last december to three and a half

(02:13:38):
years in. Prison he is appealing the. Case during his,
Trial wells testified That De soto of The Anchor club
talked him into selling the illegal guns in question to
a man who turned out to be an undercover agent
with The bureau Of alcohol to back on. Firearms well
said he made the sales because he Believed De soto
and the buyer were both involved with THE. Cia De
soto had boasted about being A cia operative In southeast

(02:14:00):
during The Vietnam. War Des soto had managed The Anchor
club In Coco beach before disappearing last. Fall he was
found by law enforcement official In, Galveston, texas working in a,
marina and he's being held on one hundred thousand dollars
Bond Florida. Today, Saturday october, eighteenth nineteen seventy, five A

(02:14:22):
Cocoa beach nightclub was Accused friday in a lawsuit of
allowing its employees to beat up a. Customer What CHARLES.
M shechan stated in The Reverend Circuit courts suit that
he was talking with a band member at The Anchor
club to Eleveny Storm jab On january, fourth nineteen seventy,
four when an employee Named Cotton higgins grabbed, him carried

(02:14:45):
him to the club's, door and cast him out the.
Door she and the suit state had turned back toward the,
door but another club, Employee Eddie Bear, frost grabbed him
by his hair and threw him to the. Ground she
and Said frost beat and struck him on the head
three times and kicked him in the, mouth leaving him.
Unconsted the suit stated she and had to pay medical
bills resulting from the incident and lost time from his college.
Studies he seeks more than twenty five hundred dollars in.

(02:15:06):
DAMAGES a club employee Said, friday the manager was not
available for. COMMENT Mm beefcake one, night he, RECALLS i
practically had to body slam some rude asshole out the
door who refused to leave after having won too. Many
after all that working, out it turned out that it
was actually much easier for me to do THAN i
thought it would have. Been that is WHEN i decided

(02:15:28):
even more so THAT i wanted to Wrestle florida. Today,
Friday march, twelfth nineteen and seventy, six The Anchor club
Of Brevet ink two Eleveny strange Aff Coco beach And
marcus And powell And CHARLES. G, bridges that is to,
say Whitey bridges have been named defendants in a music
copyright suit filed in federal Court. Wow the, Plaintiffs Jubite Music,

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Company Black Bull, Music. Inc And Cayan Music, limited claimed
The Anchor club has been playing copyrighted songs without. Permission
they are seeking monetary damages and an injunction suit Filed
thursday in federal court and assigned TO Us District Judge GEORGE.
C young nineteen ninety, Four Miami. Herald this one's going

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to be for, You, okay come in your, way any,
thoughts any thoughts an anchor. Club i'm, Fine i'm it's.
LISTEN i, DON'T i. Don't doesn't sound like a place
where anyone tries to get away with. Anything WHAT i
WHAT i figure what you're doing is you're just kind, of,
like you, know just laying the groundwork for just a normal.
Xact thank. You i'm so glad that you you understand

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that and that it's not. Misinterpreted there's, nothing it's not
a big. Deal you, know everything's everything's pretty low, key
not too many things. Happening it's just what happens when
you run a place that's a good, time right exactly.
Exactly you, know there's always, somebody there's always. Somebody there's
nobody in the, run there's nobody being shaken, down there's
no there's no guns being run out of the. Place
there's no you, know rapes or anything like. That it's

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it's these are it's just normal normal behavior and normal business.
MANAGEMENT i, mean Hero Old, Wednesday may, eleventh nineteen ninety. Four,
boss if you could pull up page. One there it's
a two. Pager all, Right i'm bringing it up. Here
article off to the right hand margin Entitled Broward Nude
Bar king is Indicted Broward. Wow oh my. Gosh us

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alleges mob. Infiltration oh, boy all, right here we, go
just again zooming in the uh run our way for
the old. Eyes here this Is i'm already feeling it.
Here Anchor Club Anchor Club, Bahama Mama Whitey. Bridges federal

(02:17:54):
agents arrested nude bar Empressario MICHAEL. J Peters tuesday on
an indictment alleging he was involved in, extortion, racketeering and
fraud in the operation of The. Dollhouse that's th ee
by the, way meaning your. Dollhouse, Correct, hey, yeah you

(02:18:17):
get a The dollhouse a three nude. Bar Although peter
runs dozens of nude bars, worldwide the federal indictment covers
only the activities at The dollhouse Near Papano. Beach Federal
Grand jury And Fort lauderdale last week returned the eight
count indictment Against. Peter In Las, vegas Associate Natalie richichi

(02:18:41):
seventy eight a reputed. Gambino oh, no, Sorry natali Not
Natalie Natali, richiici Reputed gambino crime Boss, peter who has
headquarters In Fort lauderdale And, Hollywood, california rendered at nine
am today In Fort lauderdale and appeared BEFORE Us Magistrate Lurana.

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Snow these fucking Names Jesus, Christ, Yeah Batal, rachici and
you get Fucking Laurana. Snow. Now the government has been very,
accommodating said his, Attorney Fred. HADAD i brought him back
From california On. Tuesday he is scheduled for a pre

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trial detention Hearing. Friday if, Convicted peter could face up
two twenty years in, prison finds of up to two
hundred and sixty thousand dollars and the loss of licenses
to operate his string of adult night. Clubs the indictment

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also requests the forfeiture of Thee. Dollhouse, now we would
sell the assets and the proceeds would go back to the,
public SAID us Attorney. Kendall these fucking, Names Kendall, Coffee Kendall,
coffee Fucking Fred, Hadad, Natali rachici And Laurana. SNOW i,

(02:20:09):
mean it sounds like we're in a fucking crime. Novel
perfect it's so. Hilarious That's. Florida. Yep the club at
thirty five sixty One North Federal highway represents quote mob
infiltration of adult entertainment In Broward. County coffee, said this
is a classic example of infiltration Of La casa nostra.

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Okay peter was acquitted in nineteen ninety one on state
charges of extortion and kidnapping stemming from a case where
he alleged kidnapped where he alleged, ALLEGEDLY i think kidnapped
a competitor and threatened. Him under a federal, law he
can be charged again in connection with the same. Case attorney's,

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Response we'll do the same thing we did last. Time
we'd go to go to trial and let a jury.
Decide dodd said took. Them took them less than an
hour to. Decide in late nineteen ninety, three a magazine
profile Of peter said his erotic empire included more than
fifty clubs, worldwide employing five thousand. People authority Said peter

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And rachichi were co conspirators in a campaign that included,
extortion threats and. Violence at, times a person making the
threats As Michael. Peter other times It's richichi they were
confederates in crime get ready us. Charges among other, things
the indictment states That peter concealed silent partners in the

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business might they, be that he concealed, money and that
he defrauded the government by not reporting sales. Revenue the
extortion charges in the indictment include the. Following january ninet ninety,
One peter allegedly used physical violence against Competitors Charles, Fritz
Charles friedsen And carmen Kin Kin, seruli and kidnapped Kin.

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Serui the two were partners In Features, entertainment which competed
With peter's. Business authority. Said january ninet eighty, Nine peter
allegedly Threatened Lisa Bradford eton to keep her from collecting a.
Debt he, owed CAN i ask you to, PAUSE i
ask you to brace yourself and ask you to conclude
your reading with this bullet point. Okay march ninet eighty,

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Seven peter allegedly used physical violence Against charles White bridges
And William, grant owners of The Treasure Island.

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Jp Sorow Miami Harold july twenty, four two thousand and.
Two M miami Attorney Dino gallardi closed His brickel. Practice
he now works At Treasure, island a strip joint In.
Hilijah gallardi forty four is house counsel For Charles Whitey, Bridges,
yes who Owns Treasure island and other INVESTMENT i Know

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brian a career, Move garaldi, says would you rather spend
your day around naked women or? Lawyers Initially bridges brought
him in to handle some, lawsuits settled. Them gallardi Says
bridges gave him a full time. Job great not to
have to wear a monkey, suit Says, Gallardi oh my,
god what a fucking. Idiot son of Former Miami Dade
circuit Judge John gale seventy. Six nice not having a

(02:24:23):
wake up to an argument every, day arguing for people
who don't want to pay. You at the, End gallardi
and his Wife stephanie have three. Sons he strolls past
totally nude women day in and day out and grabs
lunch at the bar and as they dance suggestively no.
Temptation i'm a happily married, man And i'm the envy
of all my. Friends Whitey bridges From Anchor club To

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Treasure island to mob shakedowns apparent, allegedly, allegedly allegedly loo
come out must be fair. Recently what Mean Whitens, Bridges,
WHITINGS i, know shit his Pants. Bridges it's. Fine this
all is a fact pattern that suggests that nothing illicit

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was going on, there Which i'm glad to. Test, Yeah, I'm,
I'm I'm i'm wondering where the news is, HERE i.
Said facebook group About Cocoa beach kind of put out
a call after the passing Of Terry. BOLLA i was,
like you remember for a short time he he was
here In Cocoa beach and worked at The Anchor. Club
from What i've, Read, wow someone, responded The Anchor club
was fairly dark place, inside with rooms going in several

(02:25:29):
directions and the band on the wall right next to the. Entrance,
yes while he was at the door late at night
at some of the back tables there was some uh
huh hanky panky going on under. Them uh it. Was,
yes that kind of. Place your damn fucking right was hanky?
Panky mm. Hmm any thoughts on hanky? Panky, WELL i,

(02:25:53):
listen we've we've Witnessed terrence's uh you, know his a
little hanky pankies on. Camera, uh, oh give, it give,
us give it to, us. Head you want to really
rev your engines on hanky Pink please give it to.
Me there we. Go please paint that final mosaic so
we can better understand The Anchor. Club we only worked

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at the bar for a short. Time while we were
working at The Anchor, club we rented in an apartment
just two miles down the road In Cape, Canaveral. Bahama
mama helped us furnish the whole place for pennies on the.
Dollar it wasn't very, fancy but it was a good
place to crash and bring an occasional date too from

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time to. Time not like that was happening all that,
much wink. Wink The Anchor club was. Happening whitey's plan
had worked and we had a very popular place on our.
Hands we had bands and. Dancing the hard rock music
went hand in hand with the whole, sex drugs and

(02:27:04):
rock and roll vibe that we created and that made
us very big on the singles. Scene people would go
to our bar if they were looking to hook. Up
that made it easy for me And terry to find.
Chicks after, all we were the rock stars of the, bar.

Speaker 1 (02:27:22):
The.

Speaker 3 (02:27:22):
Bet one, night When Cocoa beach was throwing its annual surfing,
contest a bunch of girls came in after a bikini.
Contest the bar was already packed shoulder to shoulder with
some of the hottest girls, around but then it then
in came these. Contestants these girls were. Ridiculous they were

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the hottest girls you ever saw in, town just for spring,
break and they would do just about anything for. Attention
there was a tall blonde that had my eye from
the moment she walked through the. Door she didn't have
big boobs or, anything but she was smoking. Hot she

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probably about two years younger than, me or SO i
would say she was. Eighteen she had blonde hair with
just a tint of, red perfect. Lips she was a real.
Knockout we got to talking and she explained to me
that she explained to me what she did to win
the bikini contest hands. Down could you show me the, Move,

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WOW i, Asked she. Nodded we positioned ourselves in the.
CORNER a little has to not give the whole bar a. Show,
boom two scrumptious boobs right in my. Face, Hey, Terry

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i'll say there are a problem over. Here terry was
mixing someone to drink when he but when he looked,
up he knew exactly WHY i was calling. Him he
was over to our corner and probably in less than thirty,
seconds you don't mind showing my man that move to your.
Sweetheart boom. Boom it was Obvious terry's eyes bugged out

(02:29:27):
of his. Head he had to be. EXCITED i knew.
THAT i knew. THAT i know THAT i was hulking
up in my. Pants by the, way COULD i just
for for reasons that are becoming. Clear highly Recommend burtis
Beef cake's. Book check it. Out, okay tell him my lapse, Fan,

(02:29:48):
Sanya oh my, GOD i know THAT i was hulking
up in my, pants probably seven or eight years before
Hul cogan would even be. Invented she was a. Knockout
she was. Great she was pretty, girl just starting, college
and she loved to mix it up with the. Boys thank.
You she became a bit of a celebrity there for
winning the. Contest she started coming back every night or

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so and became one of our regulars for a. Time
she was a big time flirt with, everyone but really
poured things on thick with me And terry like you
wouldn't believe Lessen, TERRY i said one, night closing up
after having a few drinks. Myself she's my. Girl, no,
no he, said, laughing wiping down the bar with a white.

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TOWEL i think you're. Mistaken oh you Think i'm, WRONG i,
joked picking up leftover bottles and cups off a. TABLE
i met you twenty dollars that she ends up with.
Me you're on. Prolther terry pulled the string on one
of the. Lights twenty bucks, TWENTY i, said with a

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Big Mega powers handshake to seal the. Deal it was.
Official twenty dollars was on the line to see who
could pin The Cocoa Beach champion. First she seemed to
always show up when the place was. Packed whenever she
came into the, bar everyone and everything would stop because
she was so gorgeous that their dicks all got. Hard

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let's be, clear let's be. Clear, yeah, yes, Indeed terry
would be bartending and couldn't always give her the attention
she craved because of all the. Customers WHENEVER i saw, her,
HOWEVER i was working the, door SO i would just
work her too with small. Talk terry would try as
hard as to pick her. Up but of course she
liked me just a little bit more BECAUSE i was

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able to put the time in with her that she.
Demanded one, night it was, late the place was pretty
much cleared out but The cocoa, beach but bikini bikini
champion was still running. WILD i want to say a keyword,
there and what you just read demand is, yes oh fuck.
Yes listen she won the bikini. Contest she doesn't she

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doesn't Have she, doesn't you, know make. Requests she doesn't want,
things she demands them and she gets. Them all. RIGHT
i was still worrying about burning the midnight oil with
the last twenty to thirty people in the. Bar just
before closing, time she started getting extra, frisky Right she

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was both grabbing my ass and running behind the bar
to mess With terry while he was mixing. Drinks eventually
she let us know her. Intentions what would those. Be
she said she wasn't going to leave until she got
what she. Wanted she was greedy. Too this is so great.

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QUOTE i want both of, you she whispered in her.

Speaker 4 (02:32:59):
Ear what.

Speaker 1 (02:33:01):
That?

Speaker 3 (02:33:02):
Means you want Whole cogan And Terry, bolea not you
Want Brude. Zodiac NOW i was totally into pro. Wrestling
but there was no WAY i was tag teaming With.

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Terry she want what does she want? Again just quickly
what she said to, Them she, SAID i want both
of you anchor club m, hm go. Ahead but there
was no WAY i was tag teaming With. Terry that would,
come that wouldn't come until, later and then it would
be in a ring, somewhere not with some chick in

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the back of the. BAR i only have two rules in.
Life one never engage in a devil's threesome and two
never ordered double pickles At subway From. Jared if you
know What i'm, saying moving, on that's not, him that's not.
Him that's that's stuff like that in the book so.
Stupid i'm not a fan of, it but you know,

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whatever he's having. Fun as it turned, out taking turns
was totally acceptable to. Her Wow, Jesus so then in my,
mind the game was on get her, first that's. Correct
there were a few last drink drink stragglers on. Hand
terry AND i quickly started to shut off all the

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neon beer lights and closed down the fort because because
there were still customers paying their, bills and BECAUSE i
was much sexier Than. Terry let's face, IT i mean
he is beefcake after.

Speaker 10 (02:34:37):
All.

Speaker 3 (02:34:37):
Right, absolutely she took me by the. Hand we disappeared
out of side me. First yeah damn, It terry, yelled
holding up his hand in a fist while cashing out
someone at the. REGISTER i laughed. Loudly the door closed behind,
me but then other things and me opened. Up NOW

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i was no way In. July i'd been with the girls,
before but this this one was, different very. Different she
was very. Vocal when we started fooling, around she started
moaning really. Loud she was practically screaming BEFORE i had
even really touched. HER i stopped. Everything, OKAY i could picture, that,

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Man oh CAN i picture, that Ed? LESLIE i, asked
worrying that she was going to call the police or. Something,
yeah that never happened At Anchor. Club, yeah not at.
All couldn't be Better she said that was just.

Speaker 4 (02:35:42):
It she was a.

Speaker 3 (02:35:44):
Screamer that was her. Thing shouting at the top of
her lungs was supposed to quote intensify her sexual. Experience
she must have really wanted to optimize our. Session, HOWEVER
i practically needed earplugs BEFORE i even at to second.
Base when we were, finished she told me to go

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Get terry because it was his. TURN i couldn't wait
to see to see his face and bust his. CHOPS
i shut the door behind me and walked back over
to the bar to tag Out. TERRY i. Called looking
around the Bar terry and it had only been about ten,
minutes but now the whole place was a ghost. Town

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the lights were, off the stools were on the, tables
the floor was. Swept there was not a soul to be.
FOUND i walked over to the. Window terry's van was,
gone AND i would be walking home that. Night it
turned out That Cocoa Beach bikini contest champion was such
a screamer that Come terry's, turn he must have heard

(02:36:51):
us through the door and tapped. Out the screaming was
almost too intimidating for even me to be on my,
game SO i understood why he was. Gone AS i
turned around to head back to the room for a,
REMATCH i noticed something funny and had to. Laugh there
was a twenty dollars bill on the. Table Anchor, Club Anchor.

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Club they're out of, nowhere brother book. One things started
to go. Sour mm White whitey had a girlfriend and
anh and he married, her and as soon as they got,
married she started to resent the idea of White he's
hanging out with. Us why are those guys your, pals
she asked, him they're half your. Age and she took

(02:37:37):
a look at the gym and saw that it wasn't
making any. Money uh oh, no not on the front
end at. Least the reason it wasn't making any money
was that we were too hard headed to let the girls.
Train there no women. Period whitey's And terrors was a hardcore, bodybuilding,
deadlifting sweat your ass off type. Him we were of
the mind that if you let girls in the, place
you can't cuss and sweat and drop it weight on the. Floor,

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now would it makes sense to emphasize that we never
let women. In if the one woman you went let
in Was Bahama, mama wouldn't that kind of throw the
scent off the trail of whatever it was That Bahama
mama was. Facilitating, yes of, course that was before the
ear with every strip mall had A Bally's Health spa
Or european Hell. Spa if we had seen those kinds of,

(02:38:20):
gyms we might have changed our minds and still been
a business brother with his wife talking in his ear
all the. Time whitey finally gave. In he told me
he was going to Close whitey's And terry's and get
out of the gym. Business, oh by the, way he
was going to sell The Anchor club. Too so all
of a sudden Ed leslie AND i were out of.
Work but looking, BACK i thank god that had happened that,

(02:38:40):
way because If whitey hadn't closed The Anchor club in the,
GYM i might have never gone back to. Wrestling mm.
Hm so according to, him And leslie has a similar
story in his, book The Anchor club closed after all
these heady times and all this sex and perversity and
violence Because whitey got married and needed to mature and move.

(02:39:06):
On that was the only reason he needed to leave the.
Club and there was no other. REASON i, mean that's
WHY i, closed, right of, COURSE i, mean that's that's
what that's what you believe when you see hull coviin.
Story but what about Hull cogn's other story that he
posted somewhat unsolicited in twenty sixteen On. Facebook picture him
And Freddy blassie And New york and he's recalling me

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And Freddy blassie's Shaved tornado on my. Chest new boots
HEIGHTS i just bought BECAUSE i quit wrestling for a
year to run a, bar The Anchor, club In Cocoa, Beach,
florida and also had a gym Called whitey And Terry's
gym the. Cops terry wrote gracefully asked me to leave.

Speaker 4 (02:39:42):
Town what.

Speaker 3 (02:39:47):
And that's where he leaves. It but before white he
closed up, shot before he threw in the, towel before
he decided That whitey And Terry's Olympic gym wasn't going
to High, Heights before he decided that The Anchor club
the party wouldn't always be. On he had one last
attempt to keep the doors, open one last attempt to
remake the club's. Image he hired a new, manager someone

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who he had come to know just as well as
he had come to Know Terry beleaya And Ned. Leslie
there's one guy who had a shot at managing The Anchor.
Club this comes From florida, today nineteen seventy, eight After
terry apparently had already started making his way out of.
Town Anchor Club Coco. Beach for some, reason The Space

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coast has had a grand opening or reopening of a
nightclub a restaurant every week for the past several. Weeks
this week is no. Exception The Anchor, club located at
the very end OF. Sr five to Twenty causeway In Coco,
beach has been in business for six, years but has
been closed for the past several days for a complete
remodeling inside and. Out when it has its grand reopening,
tonight there will be a new look and a total

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change in. Policy Partners Ed reuters And White bridges have
redone the interior and A mediterranean nautical theme with dark,
woods wrought iron, chandeliers fishnet and shell wall, decor mirrored,
walls and thick beage. Carpeting the bar has been rebuilt
into a LARGE l shape and is probably on the
largest in the. County the dance floor has been enlarged
in the stage has been made, bigger carpeted and draped

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and red seating for the room is about two hundred
and seventy. Five, outside there are new massive entrance, doors,
planters and the sidewalk is covered with astro. Turf along
with the, facelift there is a complete policy. CHANGE. Mmm Don,
wilson A cocoa native who is tended bar here for several,

(02:41:34):
years has been named the new. Manager he explained that
when the club first, opened it catered to both the
younger and older, sets but later became more youth. Oriented
the new entertainment policy will be geared once again to
capture the two. Markets, yes that's, right just As Terry
boleya is Exiting Cocoa beach taking the helm as manager

(02:41:57):
of The Anchor. CLUB a star of stage and, scres
eleven time world kickboxing, Champion don The Dragon. Wilson, wow
you Know Don. Wilson i'm. Familiar, yes he did a
movie With Roddy piper one time Called Terminal. Rush, yes
he Did Coming soon under The. CINNEMENT i THINK i

(02:42:18):
THINK i did buy that one in a DOUBLE dvd. Set,
HONESTLY i THINK i bought That, yeah somewhere. Here he
was the leader of The Neon gang And Batman. Forever,
yes ough he was coming. Sooner star of the Blood fist,
series a series of martial arts films in the film

(02:42:39):
of in the style of Blood. Sport, Yeah i'm not
familiar with those ones as, much but, yes he did
a fight commentary at THE ufc seven pay per. View
he's in The International Sports hall Of. Fame he's one
of the most celebrated and accomplished kickboxers In american. History
but before all of, that as he posted On, facebook nineteen,
SEVENTIES i was the manager of The Anchor club And

(02:42:59):
terry aka Hul cogan worked for me as a. Bartender,
yes it was known as The Disco, era and we
all partied every. Night it was our he, writes quote
unquote job And Whitey, bridges the, owner was the best
BOSS i ever. Had it was all several lifetimes, ago
BUT i still have many of the same friends and
see them WHENEVER i returned To Brevard. County if these

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walls could, talk, Hello it's is. Done, yeah this is.
Done that's next time On The Complete Hogan milan as A.

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