Ep. 433: The Complete Hulk Hogan | Alabama (Part 1)

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Speaker 1 (00:15):
It's a Lapsed Van wrestling podcast special report. The Lapsed
Fan presents The Complete Hull Cogan, a real American story
brought to you by Garage Beach.

Speaker 2 (00:26):
Leaving Cocoa Beach, leaving Cape Canaveral Boss, leaving the rocket
launching behind is Terry Bulay. Are you gonna miss Cocoa Beach?

Speaker 3 (00:38):
Oh? Yes, I'm always gonna miss Cocoa Beach, especially this
time of year. I love a good hot cup of
Cocoa Beach.

Speaker 2 (00:44):
Last time we were with you formally on the Complete
Hull Cogan. Here in The Lapsed Fan Wrestling Podcast, the
most exhaustive review of the life and times of Terry
Boley you'll find anywhere. He was in Coco Beach for
a year hiatus from the wrestling business with his pal
from back in Tampa in the high school days at Leslie,
and they were bouncing and bartending at the Anchor Club
in Cocoa Beach and living the bachelor life and working

(01:06):
out and hitting the weights hard and roiding and fucking.
I mean, that's pretty much what was what happened right
in drinking.

Speaker 3 (01:13):
Listen, all right, there's I mean, honestly, all those other
things mattered but what mattered most fucking and did we
or did we not.

Speaker 2 (01:22):
Confirm that Don the Dragon Wilson was outpacing them times
three up in the attic.

Speaker 3 (01:26):
Oh, listen, listen that that was his attic. Okay, that
was his attic. He did business up there, and and
there was no there was no question about that. If
you think we are there's nothing, there's nothing. There was
nothing that they could possibly do to compete with the Dragon.

Speaker 2 (01:46):
I've told you this, but listeners of the Solar System
may not have heard this yet. Of course, we presented
a very proud to percent an interview with star of
martial arts and action movies, Don the Dragon Wilson, who,
of course, before becoming a Hollywood celebrity, worked with Hulko
and Ned Leslie at the Anchor Club in Cocoa Beach
and talk to us at Grant lengthen and very colorful
detail without that experience. But I've told you what I

(02:07):
had to when you said to him, well, as long
as everybody was satisfied, and he was like, I hope
the girls were satisfied. I was like, we don't have
to do any more of these, really, I mean, he's
not going to get much better than that.

Speaker 3 (02:23):
He that was that was actually the most with the
most probably I was not expecting that reaction from him
that at all, not at all. I don't think expect
most of the way he reacted. I know, I know what,
but you know, it was, like you tell, he was
taking it back because like I would imagine someone like
him would have said, fuck yeah, they were satisfy. No no, no, no,

(02:44):
he was nervous.

Speaker 2 (02:46):
He's a truth teller, and that's why we were so
proud to have him and what it would have blast
and what a pleasure it was to color in a
part of Terry Boulay's life that really has never talked
about because he wasn't in the pro wrestling business.

Speaker 3 (02:58):
And that's which is kind of funny. You'd think at
this point, you know, given that that pretty much everybody
you know and their mom and my mom know about
Hull Coogan's wrestling, you know, the time that he was wrestling,
you'd think that that would be a more people more
interested in in that part of it where he's not,

(03:18):
where he's not wrestling. Yeah, Like I would want to
know more at that point because that's because there comes
a point where oftentimes if I if I like I've read,
if I've watched a movie or something like that, and
I want more, I will eventually. This is movies that
are based on books. I eventually turned to the book
because I'm like, I'm just not satisfied anymore with what

(03:40):
the movie gave me. I need more than that. I
need more, and and so I always turn to the book,
and then I get more, and then I'm left feeling
more satisfied than I was. And I'm able to I'm
able to kind of fit into pieces that are not
in the movie. But now that I know the book,
you know, I can I can say, oh, okay, well
that would have gone in here. I see there at

(04:01):
this part in the movie, so they must be doing
this and that minute, you know. So, so I'm just
surprised that it's not more of a thing. Well, we
took care of that, and we did. There'll be a
little bit more to offer as it regards what was
going down in Cocoa Beach and how it gave a
direct tie back into the wrestling business for Hulk Hogan
and indeed entree into the wrestling business for ed Leslie.
As we go to Hulk Hogan's first Territory after emphasis

(04:24):
emphasis on entree for sure.

Speaker 2 (04:26):
Andre the Giant coming to a ring near year because
it's Alabama and the Gulf Coast Southeastern Territory as the
first stop for who would become Terry the Hulk Boulder.
We're still in the birth of Hulk Hogan phase of
tchh Boss because he has yet to be named Hulk Hogan.

Speaker 3 (04:42):
That's so crazy.

Speaker 2 (04:43):
But as we'll get to we'll explain what else was
happening in Coco Beach that we didn't talk about last time,
that very much laid the foundation for him to become,
to say the very least, a hulking figure to wrestling
promoters down there, in particular promoter Ron Fuller and his
booker Louie Tillette, who were really the first to run
with the Hulk Cogan ball, as it were. And if

(05:04):
you thought that we have turned over things you didn't
know about Hulk Hogan up to this point, you ain't
seen nothing yet because you I can't tell you how
fucking excited I've been. Oh no, since I first understood
all of this. To tell you, it's all in nineteen

(05:25):
seventy nine. Yeah, this idea that like Hull Coogan slowly
worked his way into the wrestling business, went to work
for Vince Senior, and over several years chase Stadium and
became this in Japan, became this top player. Every single
thing that Hulk Cogan never did that was of consequence
in his career. He did first in nineteen seventy nine
in Alabama.

Speaker 4 (05:43):
Wow.

Speaker 3 (05:43):
And it was like the four month run.

Speaker 2 (05:45):
And almost nobody knew anything about the details of this,
which again lap serendipity in full effect until Ron Fuller,
the promoter down there, brother of Robert Fuller aka Pearl
Robert Parker, Yes, came out with the podcast It's called
The stud CA asked Jesus Christ, We've got to say,
right off the top highest recommendation for no other reason
than he is talking about a period of history that

(06:07):
is so underdocumented, that so much a period of history,
but a location, a territory, right, very small, very humble territory,
so small it almost it almost confuses you as to
like where it starts and ends. Think about Pensacola, Doti.
I mean, that's the thing I couldn't even tell you.
I couldn't even I couldn't even tell you one thing
that I've ever learned about Alabama.

Speaker 3 (06:28):
Yep, in the state, not alone. I mean, well, right,
I mean, I mean the territory I got you. Well,
I know, I know, but it's funny you mentioned that
because you know, over the summer. I forget if I
even talked about this with you or not, but you know,
we did one of one of my my wife's clients,
wells a couple of clients were in shows one and

(06:49):
well it was when I went to Saint Louis, So
you know this, Yeah, when I went to Saint Louis
and then all of a sudden, I was in Alabama
for like an hour because we want to go see
a show in Alabama. And so it was really like
a very fucking funny like that. That's it. That's I've
been to Alabama. I don't even never need to go again.
We have had a longer than I have. I'm good,
right exactly, That's just it. You know, I've been there.

(07:11):
I was there for like five hours top.

Speaker 2 (07:12):
Well, I'm confident and saying if you had heard what
we're about to talk about on this next leg of
the joy would.

Speaker 3 (07:18):
Have gone for I would have gone for a jaunt.

Speaker 2 (07:20):
You would have had many pilgrimages in mind, because the
things that Terry Bolea did for the first time in
pro wrestling, in this little nook and cranny of the
wrestling territorial system as it existed in nineteen seventy nine,
boggles the mind. Can I just ask you, boss, what
if I told you that in his first four or

(07:42):
five months in the business he started the nWo in
the Alabama Hulk Hogan challenged for the NWA World Heavyweight Championship.

Speaker 3 (07:50):
What the fuck? What? What like the Icen's plate belt? Correct?

Speaker 2 (08:04):
What if I told you that the first ever Hulk
Cogan under the Giant match took place in his first
four months back in the business. I can't fucking handle that.

Speaker 3 (08:13):
That one. I can't That's not that's not fair. That's
not fair. What if that's not fair? If I told
you it's not fair? To flare the nineteen ninety three
King of the Ring finish with the flash camera first
happened in nineteen seventy nine in Alabama with him in
the ring, Are you fucking kidding me?

Speaker 2 (08:30):
Or the first time he carried someone in his arms
like he did Miss Elizabeth on Saturday Night's Made Event
in the end with macho man.

Speaker 3 (08:38):
To the back. He fucking he's been ripping. He's just
been copying the same shit over and over again since
day one. What have I told you? That?

Speaker 2 (08:47):
He ran into the inspiration for Hulkamania, the inspiration for
cupping the ear, the inspiration for so many elements of
what would come the Hulk Cogan character. And a wrestler
by the name of Austin Idol who happened to come
through coast when he was there. Jesus, it's all here,
so we potentially did have a Hogan Austin match.

Speaker 3 (09:07):
Huh. Can somebody you could say that although he wasn't
Hogan yet, that's true. Good point. It's all here and
it's all beer. I I am. I don't know that.
That's just too much for me.

Speaker 2 (09:25):
And thanks to your stellar work. The last time we
were with you in the Complete Hulk Cogan, a very
special available to all episode of Under the Cinemat and
we looked at the television pilot, the hour and a
half cinematic treatment of Louf for Riigno's Incredible Hulk. For
a reason, because of the year that drops, it is
absolutely correlated with a wrestling promoter getting a look at

(09:46):
this Terry Ballet coming off the run in Cocoa Beach,
hanging and banging at Whitey's, taking as much steroids as
he could and saying, you know what, goddamn it, everyone's
talking about the incredible Hulk and this louf for Urigno guy.
We got a wrestling Hulk right here. And it's here
in Alabama, here in the Gulf Coast that Terry Boley
is first presented to the world as the Hulk. The

(10:08):
Hulk folks here I am when Terry passes, thinking, oh
my god, there's so many things that so gradually became
true about this guy. You know, everyone saw it in
the beginning. He did it all in the beginning. He
showed his cards in the beginning. In terms of what
working promoters off of each other.

Speaker 3 (10:29):
Wow, well, it's funny too, because everyone kind of it
seems like, you know, if you're if you're smarter than
most in terms of wrestling knowledge, you generally uh paid
tribute to vern for doing the Hull Cogan thing, right,

(10:50):
And what you're telling me is that that's bullshit.

Speaker 2 (10:53):
Well, he hul Comania wasn't running wild because remember he
was not Hulk Hogan. Sure, but basically like all the
Basically he had all the elements and then Vern just
jacked it up. Basically, it's wrong to say that Vern
saw Hulk Hogan and Hulk Cogan. It's accurate to say
Ron Fuller and Louis to Lett saw Hulk Hogan and

(11:14):
Hulkong because I think we open and shut the brisco
Yes say that. I think we opened and shut the
case and Eddie Graham and the Briscos, as much as
the revisionist history plays into it, they did not see
the biggest star in the history of the business when
Terry Bully was getting shuffled around the territory with shit
dates where he was basically losing more money than he
was making because he was traveling so far as Super

(11:34):
Destroyer under the hood and being put out there for
the locker room's amusement because he didn't know how to
go more than fifteen minutes without gassing.

Speaker 3 (11:42):
I think we.

Speaker 2 (11:46):
Brian Blair himself, who's incredibly diplomatic about stuff like this,
did indeed do us the service when we talked to
him recently in the complete Hulk Cogan of affirming that
that was pretty much the case and pretty much how
Terry Bulays upside in the professional business was viewed by
those who quote unquote broke him in spectacular and it's
all going to come back around. And all those motherfuckers

(12:08):
who didn't see it and snickered behind his back and
just saw him as some kind of whipping boy and
some kind of tool or someone like a dusty who
wanted to keep him away from the hesterly and pretend
he wasn't worthy. This motherfucker is going to find a
way to be undeniable as a drawing card in the
smallest little area possible. You couldn't contain what this guy's

(12:32):
charisma could do if you just leaned into letting him
be the centerpiece of your company. We're off to the races.
We are very much off to the races. So this
is so exciting. I mean, even five years ago, a
lot of the stuff we're about to convey to you
about Terry Bully's first year in the business after the
hiatus wouldn't be known and possible to anywhere near the

(12:52):
degree of specificity if it weren't for Ron Fuller's podcast.
Because before he did that, there's a com leete dearth
of video footage. There's a complete lack of any real good,
solid like newspaper coverage because it's such a small area.
I mean, we're talking Dothan, Mobile, Montgomery, Pensacola, and that's

(13:15):
pretty much it. That's pretty much the hilaria. Now, Ron
Fuller also owned the Knoxville, Tennessee territory as well, but
that was kind of separate and distinct, though he owned
both of them. One was called Southeastern Gulf Coast, which
is those Alabama cities I mentioned, and the other was
called Southeastern Knoxville, which eventually went on to be the
territory that Angela Pafo would buy into and take over
and where Machu Man would get his got No sheltlog group.

(13:38):
And what's a real thrill as as part of nineteen
seventy nine and the Complete Hulk Coogan We're going to
be built, tell the story about the famous Plan B tape,
the Knoxville War. I bet you've never heard anything about this.
I don't know what the fuck you're talking about. It's
incredibly germane to where Hulk Cogan found himself, for Terry
Bolea found himself in terms of like taking off in
this territory, but at a time that the territory was
just focused on other things, fighting for its battling an

(14:01):
outlaw group that was trying to basically put them out
of business and take the territory from Ron Fuller, and
doing all kinds of things that you do in a
territorial wrestling war of the seventies.

Speaker 3 (14:10):
So I I want to talk to somebody, Okay, I
want to talk to somebody as you do. Who who
was from you know, Alabama, watching wrestling in Alabama. Who
saw Hogan versus Andre okay in Alabama, and and I

(14:34):
want to ask them about what they thought when the
w was promoting promoting it as being, you know, the
first time ever. I want, I want to know. I
need to I need that.

Speaker 2 (14:47):
I need it because it's so it's such a small
area of the country. The television didn't even reach more
than like four cities, right, maybe it was more than that,
but as I've heard Ron Fuller describe it, I try
to pay a clip attention as I could. That seemed
to roughly be the coverage area. You're talking about a
sliver of a sliver of a territory. Right when we

(15:07):
think about you know, Crockett or Georgia or I mean,
I know one person, I know one person from Alabama,
one person, and there was no fucking way that they
were watching wrestling. And it was because of that. In
a lot of ways, it was because of that smallness
and because of that sort of upstart nature of this
of this part of the country. Under Ron Fuller, who

(15:27):
had just bought in at a very young age, he
became an owner of a territory pretty much younger than
anybody ever have in the history of the NWA. He's
forced to find and make new stars because there's just
not a dearth of marketable guys there for him to
really reliably draw crowds, and it's small enough territory that
they can't really get a ton of reliable dates on

(15:47):
the NBA Champion, which is always right, you know, a
way to really make your year from a box office
receipts perspective. So it's going to be so fascinating to
not only talk about how Terry bollayup hits his stride
in Alabama, but because of everything else that was going
on in Alabama. It wasn't really appreciated at the time,
and it wasn't really the sole focus of the decision
makers and the power players in that area at the time,

(16:09):
and how Hulk just sort of slipped. He just kind
of you just kind of yed it out the back door.
You see you later, And thanks for the memories. So
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Speaker 3 (16:20):
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It needed to it needed to happen. Listen. I I,
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Speaker 2 (23:17):
What surprised you coming away all the work you did
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It was what surprised me was actually.

Speaker 3 (23:31):
The the the the serendipity in terms of the people
involved and Hull Cogan and how we kind of as
we were going through it, we realized how similar some
of these lives were to Hull Cogan's and how you know,
there was a lot of stuff that that almost seemed

(23:52):
like Hogan maybe lifted it from Luf Forigno from resolutely
from his past. You know, it made me question the
history that we know, even more so than for.

Speaker 2 (24:03):
Those who haven't had the chance to listen. What jumps
to your mind first in that regard the the childhood stuff,
the childhood stuff and the story about uh being I mean,
really about being this this this wimp. You know, they
keep talking about Louf Forarno being a whim, but yet
he's he's an athlete and he's playing baseball and he's

(24:23):
a slugger and stuff like that, and it kind of
it made me think of obviously the baseball with Hogan,
but also made me think about how Hogan kept talking
about how he was this this shy, non athletic guy,
but yet he played sports. So it's just like, well,
wait a minute, what how do you like I don't
understand that mentality. But you know this and also too,

(24:44):
they they both they they they both adapt these this, this,
these histories, you know, or adopt these histories that they've
kind of not necessarily that they're completely untrue, but that they've.

Speaker 3 (25:00):
They've kind of tweaked you know, here and there and
kind of like, you know, well, if I say this,
it actually makes the story sound a little bit better
and not necessarily completely true, not completely false, but it
it it helps, it helps their image and their story
better if it's told a little different and you know
a little bit more in this particular way.

Speaker 2 (25:21):
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It was an overbearing dad. And then just hearing about
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(25:41):
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Speaker 3 (25:50):
And that's the same too. The history is the stan
Lee's history is also put in a question, you know,
you know, in terms of what's real and what's not.
I mean, it's all it all, it's it's the same,
it's the same thing, same you know, shame, same shit,
different toilet based on Bruce Banner aka David Banner as
they call him for some reason, bullshit on the TV

(26:11):
series as Terry Blea. And you've got exactly credible hull
his hull Cogan right right, and he hulks up and
the shirt ripping, and it's oh, there was so much
in there that I never even that I never even
thought about, honestly, the posing all that shit, Like I

(26:31):
was like, my god, like that really so much of
of of Hulk Hogan was taken I'll say inspired loosely
but definitely taken from The Incredible Hulk. And you know,
wrestling fans, longtime Hulking maniacs, know, like at the end
of the copyright screen of any WWF cassette tape or anything,
it says copyright Marvel Comics. Oh, even even his Hasbro figure. God,

(26:55):
all right, even his Hasbro figure had it. And we're
not going to miss something on a Hasbro casing. No,
not at all. And I always wondered, like, why the
fuck does Marvel get credit on this thing.

Speaker 2 (27:04):
That's definitely a through line on the complete hul Cogan
is how did this this intellectual property volley work between
Terry Bullay and Marvel Comics and eventually the WWF, Because
by the time we get to WrestleMania one and hul
Cogan is on the tip of everybody's tongue and a
mainstream American success story, they all of a sudden find
themselves having to have some serious discussions with Marvel Comics
around how this is going to work from a legal perspective.

(27:25):
And it starts way before the hul Cogan and the
WWF or even the hul Cogan and the WWWF that
we talked about it starts here in Alabama, it starts
in Memphis, his first territories where they're not they're not
calling him Hulk Cogan that they are calling him straight
up the Incredible Hulk. They are calling him.

Speaker 3 (27:40):
And the Hulk and and right or or you know,
like if some of the news articles that I read
on on the Cinemat episode would the you know, Wrestling's Hulk, Yes,
they would call him, you know, the the the something,
you know, both of his of his names around this
time period, they they would call him the Hulk. It

(28:01):
wasn't just Terry the Hulk Boulder, which surprised me. I
think the Hulk Wrestling's Hulk, Sterling Golden was also equally
surprising to me. Yeah, that's a collation he didn't think
ever happened, never, never, not once. I think one of
the surprises of this episode is going to be the
revelation I think that Ron Fuller was calling him Sterling
Golden before he was calling him Terry the Hulk Boulder.

(28:24):
I can't, I can't. At least he.

Speaker 2 (28:26):
Was being called Sterling Golden by a manager that he
had in the Gulf Coast territory, Terry Bully was and
that actually served as part of the basis of why
he turned babyface and became a babyface sensation there for
the first time, was because he insisted on being called
Terry the Hulk Boulder and not Sterling Golden, which of
course is a name he would go on to use
later in nineteen seventy nine after leaving the Alabama territory

(28:48):
and making his way for short lived and at Georgia
Championship Wrestling at Sterling Golden all that to come first, I.

Speaker 3 (28:53):
Mean, and that's why fucking Jimmy Barnett would call him
Sterling forever called fucking Sterling. The end of it, well well,
well beyond, well beyond is that time to the end
of his days?

Speaker 2 (29:06):
Sterling for sure. I love those blonde locks, no question
about that. And you know, I think seventy nine, Okay,
that's one episode. No, No, it's all in seventy nine.
It is all of the raw material, all of the
launch points for everything that came to, all the smack
material material, it's all very much there, and we're just

(29:27):
going to get started and we're just going to plow
through it like you know we can, and you know
we need to. We're put on Earth to do this.
We're put on Earth for the shelf life, not for
the now, but for the future. Because you know, you
got to think of it as people talk about what
would alien life forms think when they landed on this
planet and saw, you know, a vestige of humanity left behind.
What would they turn to? That's a word that that's

(29:47):
the exercise we're engaged in. We want to leave something
behind that the aliens in the future can listen to
and understand. Oh, so this is what pro wrestling was.
This is why people were obsessed with this home Cogan.
That's where our vision is. It's not on the here
and now and the wants and needs of people addicted
to junk food in the form of junk food podcasting

(30:08):
co chairs are nourishing for the long term, and we're
doing it hard, and we're doing it straightforward, and we're
doing it in no small part because folks like you
contribute on Patreon and say, here's fuel for the engine.
I mean, we're getting a lot out of this that
you actually deserve something instead of us just just sucking
on free content all day. Like somehow the model that
took hold in the past fifteen years finally being turned

(30:29):
over and we were at the vanguard of that, and yeah,
it all makes it worth it, and we give you
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mentioned that the live calls coming up under the cinema
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going back to the living room carpet Saturday morning vibes
of your wrestling childhood. It's all very much there and
rolling out in no small part thanks to our patrons

(30:50):
and so many other members of the Solar System who participated.
Soon to hit a podcast feed near you. It's the
holiday season. It's the unwrapping.

Speaker 3 (30:56):
Oh yes, yes it is.

Speaker 2 (30:58):
No chairmen have gathered, We have opened to the gate.
If Solar Systems store up on us, they are amazing,
they are touching, they are strange, they are exciting. They
are the Unwrappening twenty twenty five.

Speaker 3 (31:08):
They are they they really do. They fit into that
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are completely accurate, and you co Cher is of course accurate.

Speaker 2 (31:20):
Part of gathering for the unwrapping hit the road for
the last time is now, the lapsed time is now.
As we were live in attendance, for John Cena's final
wrestling appearance at the Ted Garden in Boston. We did
a special podcast for you as part of that. Yes,
also made possible by the fact that we had plans
to get together the night before for the unwrappening and
it just.

Speaker 3 (31:37):
Worked out beautifully. Yep, it did. It was perfect.

Speaker 2 (31:40):
We do know Solar System members still sending in gifts.
They can't help it. Yes, yeah, no, there are still
gifts coming in, so we will. You know, there could
be some some remote some remote recordings for sure leading
up to the big Christmas Day, but it is going
to be uh you know, it's it's a it's in
a wrapping, it's an it's an unwrappening for the ages without.

Speaker 3 (31:59):
A Dame, Thank you very much.

Speaker 2 (32:01):
And yeah, it's definitely gonna be the twenty five Days
of Christmas, even more so this year around the Solar System,
as we're proud to once again present the most beloved
holiday tradition and alive podcasting, not just wrestling podcasting. I
put it up against any tradition you'll ever hear of
the en rapping. I agree, I agree, continues a pace.
Your co chairs are the big fat thumbs up. The
big fucking thumbs up and a lot of the material

(32:21):
we're going to get through here a huge shout out
to one of the most intrepid Solar System members I've
ever encountered, Matt, who just has done so much gathering
for us, and we're really going to be able to
reap the fruits of that because we've got we've got
the material we need to march chronologically through Hulk and
with Gulf Coast. It's tough because, like I said, and
this is you're going to be so frustrated by this

(32:44):
by the time we're done with this part of his life.
The lack of video that has survived, I mean, if
you've seen the Clay, then we're gonna watch it of
Hulk arm wrestling Andre in Alabama. It came out on
a home video release called Wrestling Gold by Kit Parker
Films in the late nineties. Part of you know, though
the attitude era of videos that were flooding Fye and stuff.
A lot of people saw this for the first time.

(33:05):
It gave you this, this inkling, this this scintillating hint
that there was a deep archive of all of this
Gulf Coast television that no one knew how to find.

Speaker 3 (33:13):
No, it's nowhere.

Speaker 2 (33:14):
Run Fuller doesn't have stuff from what Hulk was there
in nineteen seventy nine because.

Speaker 3 (33:19):
Everyone because you know, I mean, this is the travesty.
That is travesty. Yes, that is professional wrestling probably you
know pre uh, I don't know. I don't know when
it really became a thing where people are like, you know,
we get an archive of our shit. I mean, I
know WWE was doing it forever, so I don't count them,

(33:41):
but I mean in terms of general, like we need
to archive our shit. I don't know when that started.
But this is definitely not then. And we've heard it
so many times that they just reused tapes. They wouldn't
fucking record over their shit. They would not there, there
was no there was no reason in their mind to

(34:01):
archive this stuff. And it's it's a fucking travesty because
you know, we need it.

Speaker 2 (34:09):
Yeah, And that's such a hand to mouth business back then,
such a week to week Dog eat Dog, Survival of
the Fittest, you know, yep, it's like it's a run.
First thing we played you on the Complete Hull Code
in the very first episode was him in confidence talking
to those marketing guys about life is a series of runs.
So if you think of your life as just a
series of runs, and as soon as something hits, you're

(34:30):
starting to think about how to exit, right with you
with your fortune intact, right, that's the way your mind
has been programmed to work, and how you've been programmed
to think about earning money. Last thing you're going to
think about is preserving the things you're doing, because it's
on to the next hustle, it's onto the next territory,
it's onto the next gimmick or whatever it might take
to keep the money flowing. And yeah, it is true.
The last thing you think about it is like, oh man,

(34:50):
we really need to savor this. Fortunately for us. Ron
Fuller is part of his studcast has detailed notes that
he's able to refer to how all of the television
played out leading through all of Terry Boulay's run, and
he has after going back even further and he reads it,
he reads it off in kind of a week two
week fashion. It's it's a really it's kind of like

(35:11):
the highest and best example of what to do with
an old veteran wrestler who who's interested in doing a
podcast like this is what you owe wrestling history is
to just march through systematically and to give no fucks
about anything but making sure it's all said and done.
And we're the beneficiaries of that here in the complete
Hull Cogan Because like I said, if Hulk died five
years ago, wouldn't be able to do this part of
his life like this, We wouldn't be able to do

(35:31):
this incredibly seminal part of his wrestling career in wrestling
development like this.

Speaker 3 (35:35):
But it's all there. I mean, we probably mightn't even
is it safe to say that we mightn't even know
that seventy nine is the is like the year we.

Speaker 2 (35:45):
Would know he had the matches he had because you
know in his but we would we know all the
stuff that you told, like in terms of rights discovering
the whole Cogan attribute to the stuff like that. No,
I don't think we'd appreciate how he got over. Not
we'd appreciate that he got over because of who he
was wrestling. And there are prominence in the territory and
in his match record and match listings for this territory

(36:05):
have been out there, even though as we'll get to
they don't exactly match up with the very detailed notes
that Ron Fuller has about dates and times and places,
which you know.

Speaker 3 (36:13):
Is I never do.

Speaker 2 (36:14):
Now that's a huge it's a huge issue with any
kind of database of wrestling results. Is you know, if
you're lucky enough that a newspaper in the area used
to make it their business to cover the matches and
the results every Tuesday or whatever the day was after
the matches and the sports pages, then you've struck gold.
You have kind of contemporaneous accounts of what the match
results were. But when you don't have that, which is

(36:35):
pretty much the case here. If there was a paper
regularly covering what was happening in Gulf Coast and publishing
the day after the matches, those newspapers aren't archived in
the way so many other newspapers have been archived these days.
So you kind of have to piece it together by
little snippets that make it in sort of like feature
style advertising style things as opposed to match results reporting,

(36:57):
and so the dates and times in the towns even
get a little confused and backward. We saw this when
we went through his short lived CWF run in Florida.
I mean, Brian Blair is supposed to be on the
card that Hull Cogan, a super Destroyer, had his first
match against Aunt Serrano. He not only does he not
remember Hulkogan wrestling before he wrestled him, which is supposed
to be his third match, the second match was also
supposed to be against Brian Blair, who, Brian Blair himself

(37:19):
doesn't remember that fucking match exactly. Brian Blair was on
the card where Hogan wrestled Serrano, and what the newspapers
reported was as a late replacement as we talked about
for Wolfman Smith, and Brian Blair doesn't remember that either,
and he was behind the curtain. So it's unbelievable. But
there are published accounts out there that lead to these
wrestling databases putting things in there, logging things in these results,

(37:42):
and it's like you come around, it's like, no, it's
actually it was a month later, it was two months later,
the other guy won, or this wasn't there or wasn't
happening in this way. And even here Ron Fuller go
through it chronologically, there's a couple of things that he
kind of either breezes over or doesn't realize, such as
Hull Cogan going to work in Memphis during the time
he was with Gulf Coast. Ron Fuller makes it sound

(38:03):
like Holkovin doesn't go anywhere near Memphis until he gives
us notice to Gulf Coast, but in fact, a closest
examination and we do have contemporaneous newspaper accounts to support
this out of Memphis, which was much more robust and
covering what was happening, of course, and one of the
most prominent wrestling territories rating for rating per capita in
the country. Yes, indeed, Terry Boley I was absolutely in
the Mid South Coliseum, absolutely wrestling in Memphis when he

(38:26):
was still in the midst of his Gulf Coast run
and going back and forth. For reasons that will make
a lot of sense is Ron Fuller gets into how
his brother Robert Fuller Occuronel Robert Parker, it's actually booking
for Jerry Jarrett and Jerry Lawler in Memphis during what
this time period in seventy nine. Oh yeah, it's the
Welch family man their lineage, in their history. This business
goes back further than any other tribe that really has

(38:47):
ever existed. I mean, you go all the way back
to like Herb Welch, and we we're talking like the twenties,
the tens. This family has been involved not only as
active wrestlers, but as territorial owners and bookers and executives
in the wrestling business. It's just like you can't get
to like until you get to like nineteen ninety. The
Fullers are involved somewhere running things, orchestrating things, pulling strings

(39:08):
at some wrestling office, and making moves in that regard.
So that's gonna be fun too as an orientation to
what the Fullers contributed because they're an underappreciated family I
think in the business in terms of when you talk
about the giants of territorial promoting, because the areas they
ended up lording over ended up being relatively small compared
to some of the major territories that resonated and really

(39:29):
went to battle and went to war with Vince McMahon.
So I'm excited to talk about all that and much more.
We got to go back to Cocoa Beach, though, because
we've got to rev that engine and say by to
White East for the last time, don't we?

Speaker 3 (39:42):
I mean I think we do. I mean, you can't
not go back to Cocoa Beach.

Speaker 2 (39:48):
Back in Cocoa Beach, brutus, beefcake, bouncing, weightlifting, and he decides,
you know what, I want to wrestle?

Speaker 3 (39:55):
Oh boy, you know here I.

Speaker 2 (39:57):
Am body slamming patrons and pumping iron. It why d's
makes me want to try this thing that my book
mind Buddy Terry once tried and here's how he outlined
it in his book. During our downtime, I asked Terry
if he could show me how to do some wrestling moves.
He had no problem doing so because he was grateful
for the hard work I'd been putting in. He was
talking about, of course, at Anchor Club.

Speaker 3 (40:17):
Wait, so because Hogan is grateful for his hard work,
He's going to show him wrestling holds.

Speaker 2 (40:23):
He's grateful for the hard work that ed Leslie's put
in at Anchor Club.

Speaker 3 (40:26):
Yeah, who cares he does? Apparently it's a weird that's
a weird repayment. Honestly, it's because it's very terrible. It's
not money. Yeah, because because because because right, because like
what is he he doesn't own Anchor Club?

Speaker 1 (40:43):
I know it does.

Speaker 3 (40:45):
It was Whitey who was like, I want to get
this thing going can you help me? Can you?

Speaker 2 (40:48):
And Hogan reached out to his network because he knew
we couldn't do what White he needed him to do alone.
So it's almost like he was hiring almost like assistant
managers in a way. It's just weird because he kind
of knew what it would take to run the whole.

Speaker 3 (41:00):
It's still weird. That's still fucking weird. I had already
taken judo beefcake rights. I knew how to do some
judo throws and basic moves, which is just hilarious to
think about. We set up some mats in the back
of the gym and we were ready to go.

Speaker 2 (41:14):
I just love this, Oh Jesus Christ. In between, in between,
you know, bar hopping and brother brewed, why don't you
get some? Definitely call them bruteye, even though why don't
you get some?

Speaker 3 (41:27):
Only have the masks, brother kind of laying them out
and do this kind of take this thing in brother,
see what we're gonna do.

Speaker 2 (41:32):
Dude, what do you think it might have sounded like
in the Cocoa Beach heat as Terry Buley showed U
at Leslie how to wrestle.

Speaker 3 (41:40):
You mean, miss sounds, he would have made yeah right,
all right, brother, the first going to do dude, We're
do we do sod heeadlo okay, all right, so I
want to do Why don't you get give me your
head like spread shoulder with the part all right, exactly, dude.
And then I'm gonna take my arm, all right, take
a quick on my arm, gonna put aundre. You got that, brother? Yeah? Yeah, yeah.

(42:10):
It sounds like cocoa beach to me. I can.

Speaker 2 (42:12):
I can smell the the cocoa butter tanning oil.

Speaker 3 (42:16):
I can.

Speaker 2 (42:20):
We set up some mats at the back of the
gym and we were ready to go. First, I learned
the basics locking up, hitting the ropes. How do you
learn hitting the ropes?

Speaker 3 (42:26):
It wasn't a way. How do you hit the rope?

Speaker 2 (42:29):
From Matt taking a slam? Then I made him show
me how to throw an arm dragon, grab a hold.
I had him show me how to do a headlock.
I would watch things on TV and then ask for lessons.
How do you grab a hole? I'm not sure how
to do that one either. Yeah, what's the difference in
grabbing a hold and doing a hold or putting on
a hold? That was all I needed. So a new

(42:50):
plant emerged. I took about a full year to train
hard and get bigger than ever. I was excited about
networking and tapping some contacts to eventually try to make
my debut in the squared circle. I also pushed Terry
to do the same. Right at my side, my newfound
career path got me excited, and I think in my
excitement at the idea also started to restore Terry's faith
in wrestling to pursue his dream once again. So they're
there once again success as many offers, Yeah you know,

(43:14):
ed Leslie basis saying it's because of me. The whole
coven got back into wrestling. It was a good thing,
of course. Oh yeah, it was a good thing. We
had a wrestling as a backup plan. As the saying goes,
all good things come to an end. One day, Whitey
Bridges got married. You see, Whitey was about twice our age.
When he tied the knot, everything changed. His priorities went
in a whole other different direction, even though he was
a weightlifter too. The moment he said I do, his

(43:35):
wife was saying you don't. We were no longer his
main priority. Wow, that's right, And we played second fiddle
to his bride. She started pressuring him not to hang
out with us. The writing was on the wall. The
gym wasn't making any money and it was the first
to go. After that, The Anchor Club was next. Actually,
the Acre Club stayed open, as we chronicled in great
detail last time, exactly just saw different managers. As another

(43:55):
saying goes, when one door closes, another opens in front
of you. As we were packing our bags to head
back over to timp I told Terry he should entertain
the possibility of wrestling again. He admitted that he was
getting the itch again and made some phone calls. Eventually
we got a call back from Harley Race. Okay, what
now begins the stories of like the twelve people that
these guys reached out to, it was one of twelve

(44:17):
people they reached out to to get back into the
wrestling business after the Cocoa Beach stint. You take your
choices to which one you believe. Here here's here's Harley
Race being suggested first, who talked about having us go
to Kansas City. Now, remember Holke Hats said that part
of the reason he skipped out on Florida Wrestling altogether
is because when he went to the office with complaints
about his pay and stuff, they said, we'll send you

(44:38):
to Kansas City get some work there. And he was like,
that's that's that's like a fuck you because as far
as Hull Cogan was concerned, Tampa boy, that was Hickstown.
He doesn't he basically doesn't want to leave me. The
Florida isn't but isn't. Isn't Kansas City like a top territory, No, oh,
no more Saint Louis. Kansas City was sort of like
the backwater to the Saint Louis wrestling reperation. It wasn't

(45:00):
a bad place to learn. Marty Jeanetty got started there,
Scott Hall learned there, Shawn Michaels had some of his
earliest experiences. That's Harley Races owned it. Yeah, but it
wasn't a place. It wasn't really well paying territory. It
wasn't a glamorous place to go and live and traveling.
It just wasn't a territory that anybody would pick to

(45:20):
work in the business at that time. It just wasn't
Bulldog Bob Brown was always the top guy over there
or somebody like that. And what's his name and to
be a president. Bob Geigel was in and around that area. Eventually,
we got a call back from Harley Race, who talked
about having us go to Kansas City. Harley enjoyed smashing
beer cans on Terry's head in a bar when he
was working for Ready in Florida. Harley liked the idea

(45:41):
of doing so again. So what what it was? So
what do you think should we go? Terry asked, absolutely, brother,
I said to.

Speaker 3 (45:47):
That, well, wongle, Harley Race, dude, publish it's fund to
kosher brothers. Sounds like you want I don't someone wants
to hurt dude. I'm wrong, brother, I don't know about this.
This Harley Race guy. You talked Harley, Oh yeah, I
talked to him.

Speaker 5 (46:05):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (46:05):
I mean, but yeah, I was looking. I was calling
around see if anyone wanted to book it.

Speaker 2 (46:08):
What do you say about her? What do you I
just said, we want to get to the business. We're
excited and we're looking for a place to learn. And
he said, we.

Speaker 3 (46:12):
Want to say we He said, you told we want
to get in the business. Brother. Yeah, man, we've been
talking about it. We've been working out You're you're talking
for me. Now, dude, well he could he called me back?
I mean he had your number two? But why is
he calling you? Because I been I was calling around.
I told you that already. Why didn't call Why didn't
you call it round? I mean, if you if you
called around here? Actually, this problem, this is well, I'm
kind of like getting that. Dude, how do you know

(46:34):
I didn't? And how does he know I didn't call him?
Best question I have, brother, How does Holly Race know
if I did or did not call it? I'm remembering
something now. He told me that actually he's been calling
Ruth because that's the only number he had, and I
guess you never get the message ring ring, Hello, this

(46:58):
is Harley Raised. Damn nice Harley, use some ribs with
that meat loaf. I'm looking for a hul Cogan. Who

(47:20):
a what a hulk? What? Who the fuck is this?
My dog? It is Harley Race, Damon. I wanted to
get on the Diamn line with with that son of
a bitch hulk Hogan. There's no Hogan in this house.
We're proud Italians. Well, yeah, what's your maiden name?

Speaker 2 (47:45):
He knows he calls Ruth OLA's house looking for Hulk Hogan,
yet he knows her maiden name is Moody.

Speaker 3 (47:53):
I know who you are. I know exactly who you are.
Don't fuck around with me.

Speaker 2 (47:59):
Look, I'm gonna encourage you to explore Harley as much
as possible, because if you don't think Harley Race is
an absolutely central character to Hulk Hogan's origin story, that
you've got another thing coming pal. So yes, what he
said to Ruth Blea on the phone in nineteen seventy
nine and seventy eight is relevant. It is exactly how

(48:21):
we're portraying it. Oh God, keep Pete in the background. Honey,
who is that.

Speaker 3 (48:27):
Some asshole Okay named Harlan's Okay, what do you call me?
You're saying that damn thing? What's wrong with you? Betch
Harlan's david Why are you calling some guy named Harlan
Davidson's on the follow me a bitch? He just called
me a bitch. What are you gonna do now? Oh,

(48:49):
I'm gonna keep it. I think I'm gonna keep eating
this ice cream, honey, even though it was a cockroach,
and I'm gonna keep eating it. You fuck hit all right?
I want to know where Hogan is now and you're
gonna tell me or I'm gonna come down there and
I'm gonna smack it out of you. I want to
know where Hogan is.

Speaker 2 (49:05):
Now, that's a way to welcome someone to come work
for your territory.

Speaker 3 (49:13):
I'm not his I don't keep his messages. Terry, you're
calling the wrong house anyway. But if you want to
talk to this Hall Hogan, you call him. Don't call
my house, are you all right? Don't call my house?

Speaker 2 (49:30):
Someone said in Patreon. They put it well, they said,
I'm hearing a little bit of lap.

Speaker 3 (49:33):
Sit and rude. Well, I'm gonna fuck you up raw Orlands,
I'm gonna fuck you up. I'm gonna b up you
to hell? All right, damn it. I was looking for
the last time I was looking for Paul Hogan. This

(49:55):
is Australia, right, I'm looking for Paul Paul Hogan talking
about Crocodile Dundee. He heard of them, Erry ripped off
the wrong movie star. He should have on Paul Hogan.
Crocodiles could be out out back Hogan, out back Hogan
crocodile Bill Gundee if they wanted to invite another lawsuit.

(50:20):
Oh god, so surprised they didn't.

Speaker 2 (50:23):
Eventually we had a call back from Harley Race, who
talked to us about us having to go to Kansas City.
Harley enjoyed smashing beer. Okay, yep, so what anything should
we go? Absolutely? I said, this is when we came
up with the best idea in the world. At Leslie Wright's,
we would tell everyone that we actually were brothers.

Speaker 3 (50:45):
This is the best idea ever. Yeah, what the what
the fuck?

Speaker 2 (50:48):
We've been calling each other brother every ten seconds for
three years straight.

Speaker 3 (50:52):
Mo things we got to hope, He'd say. We would
call each other hull Cogan. We would call each other lovers.

Speaker 4 (51:05):
You know.

Speaker 2 (51:06):
It's good though, Like, who's the last person you call brother?
Your actual brother?

Speaker 6 (51:11):
So true?

Speaker 3 (51:15):
Oh good. Apparently this idea for Ed and Terry Boulder
to be brothers was hatched before they ever hit the
road as wrestlers. It was hatched in Cocoa Beach figuring
out what their next step was. We would tell everyone
at Leslie Wright's that we actually were brothers. We figured
if we had each other's backs, maybe we would be
taken seriously. No getting pissed on, nobody breaking your leg.

(51:35):
If someone wanted to mess with one of us, they
would know they would have to deal with the other brother.
It made perfect sense. Before we accepted Hartley's offer, we
made yet another called the Jerry Jarrett in Memphis to
see if we could play the two promotions for some
better money. Yeah, I mean, I mean this just sounds
like like I guess, if there's one thing that I've
ever learned about the wrestling business and our nearly twelve

(51:59):
years of doing this, it's that I don't know, you
can't outsmart the guy in charge. Rarely can you outsmart
the guy in charge.

Speaker 2 (52:08):
Right, you think you did, and the guy actually in
the back of his mind was willing to go even
higher than what he.

Speaker 3 (52:13):
Offered you, right. And it also like I just can't
I can't see these guys like who cares? These guys
are so are so like bottom of the barrel bullshit
that who's gonna have who's gonna have a bidding war
for you guys when you're nobody's you.

Speaker 2 (52:30):
Know, And that at that time of the business, it
did work a lot off Polaroids were like, because it
was so difficult to transport film footage before VCRs, there
were a lot of people that would get hired just
based on eight x tens of how they looked.

Speaker 3 (52:44):
Listen, I'm not denying that at all. I'm not denying
getting hired because that I'm talking about. How can you
play two promotions off against each other when you don't
master pictures look too tasty? I guess I just don't
buy it.

Speaker 2 (52:56):
That's all me supposing that's the case. It's not stated
is such, But yeah, it's it's a good question. I mean,
do we lean a little bit into Gerald Briscoe's kind
of thing of how actually people down in Florida did
believe that there was a star in this guy and
the initiation rituals were misinterpreted as him not being welcome
in the business, and word got around there's this terry guy.

(53:18):
And I'm sure Jerry Jarrett calls around to Eddie Graham
and others and say, you know, this guy's bringing us up.
Do you know anything about this guy the Texas and
potential there you might want to use him.

Speaker 3 (53:27):
I don't know. No, no, no, I don't buy it.
I don't think so. I think I think they're all
making bullshit. Well, I'm gonna say, I'm gonna put this that.
I mean, I wouldn't doubt. I wouldn't doubt at one
point they probably have this conversation like I wouldn't doubt.
I would believe that that Brutus is saying this maybe
actually happened, But I just don't think it happened here
where he's saying it happened.

Speaker 2 (53:47):
I think there's a lot of that chronology screw ups
where it's like, no, you're actually I remember when Briscoe
was talking to our friend Brad Baluccian about getting Terry
and Eddie booked in New York because they didn't know
what to do, and he's talking as if it happened
when Terry quit CWF the first time in seventy seven.
It's like, no, he actually no. The first of all,

(54:09):
Eddie Boulder was not in the equation at all when
he when he first worked for you in Tampa and
left right. And second of all, he skipped down on you.
You didn't you didn't facilitate anything. He left the wrestling business,
he didn't go to New York. But he's like remembering
that as how hulks first run in Florida ended, and
it's you know, without appreciating the intermediate periods and we

(54:32):
will say, I'm gonna say, but we're gonna put Memphis
kinder to the side here because even though and we'll
we'll touch on it as we go, they definitely bleed
together the Alabama and Memphis runs for Terry and Eddie,
we do want to give them separate and distinct treatments
because there's a there's a whole rich Smorgus board of
materials to go through from those two, and to jump
back and forth might be needlessly confusing. Considering, well, there

(54:54):
is overlap, it is it is relatively little, so we'll
get more from you know how Jerry Jarrett saw the
situation in the Memphis side of things as we progress
here on the complete Hull Kogan but this being the
alabam episode, let's continue at pace. The only condition Jerry
was had Beefcake Rites was that he wanted us to
go polish the gimmick up some with some smaller promotions

(55:16):
before bringing us into Memphis.

Speaker 3 (55:18):
We agreed.

Speaker 2 (55:19):
So there's ed Leslie saying that Jerry agreed to take
them on but wanted them to work the brother gimmick
somewhere else before coming to Memphis. Now, Ron Fuller knew
nothing about this I'm sure, oh, because he wouldn't have
taken kindly to be used as a springboard. But his
brother was booking Memphis, so it was hardly an arm's
length relationship between the Memphis and Gulf Coast offices back then.

(55:40):
And there was a lot of exchanging of talent because,
as we'll get to, Memphis was in kind of a
bad way as a territory in early seventy nine and
late seventy eight, and Ron Fuller sent quite a bit
of bankable stars that were drying in his territory to
help his brother out in Memphis, or at least that's
how Ron tells it. And Ron's always the victim. He's
never you know what I mean, He's never wronged anybody.
Yet there's a lot of people belu say Ron wronged them,

(56:01):
you know how it goes.

Speaker 3 (56:02):
It's that I totally believe. So Harley's one.

Speaker 2 (56:05):
How about Billy Graham being the next port of call
for these guys, that's another version of the story. And
here we're going to revisit a little bit of what
we've conveyed earlier in the complete holl Kogan about superstar
Billy Graham coming into contact with Terry Boleya when he
was playing the clubs the Ruckus days, you know, definitely
standing out as a big dude, definitely bending the ear
of Bob Orton in the parking lot, or Bob Roup

(56:25):
there in the club, or Jerry Briscoe backstage, or Graham
or Dusty when they would come through and listen to
the music and to hear Terry Bullya tell it was
actually a superstar Graham that he rang up first. Superstar
Graham would come into the same gym that Terry Boleya
and later Ad Leslie would work out in in Tampa
before they were anywhere close to becoming pro wrestlers in
their own right. So he was already kind of allotted

(56:48):
figure in someone that they knew at least there were
one degree closer to than the average person, or at
least Terry Bullay was. So this is from Billy Graham's
WWE book. There was a fan at the for Homer
Es sirly On Murray that night who I'd noticed before
Terry Blea was a tall, skinny blonde guy who dressed
in black leather and boots like a rocker from the ring.
I'd see his big head hovering above the rest of

(57:09):
the crowd about ten rows back.

Speaker 3 (57:12):
What are you picturing when he says that, you know,
I misspicturing that fucking you know, you know, you got
you got a sea of normal people, and then you
got like Hogan's head, all right, his big, oh my god,
big DUFs head light head. I mean, like, you know,
like imagine like his chin is at the top of
everybody else's head. So you got this literal head stick

(57:36):
sticking out of his sand. Basically, picture that fucking smile
on his face.

Speaker 2 (57:45):
The high school yearbook smile. Exactly what a nerd.

Speaker 3 (57:50):
He's such a fucking nerd. I think that's that's the
biggest thing is Hogan is a big, big ass fucking
rocks up his nose. Oh and and like not only listen, listen.
I'm all about being as transparent as you can in
your books, and I think that's important. But you know what, man,

(58:11):
there's a line. There's a line, and nobody needs to
hear Hulk Hogan fucking shoving Rochester. I think Gary told
us best. I think he told us best because he
knows Hulk from inception. He knows Hulk telling tall tales
before he was on a television camera and could benefit
professionally from telling tall tales. It's about attention. It doesn't
care if it's flattering or unflattering, as long as it's

(58:31):
a story that he can tell about himself that he
thinks is going to sear him into your memory. He's
going to tell the story. It doesn't matter for that's
not going to I mean, I guess that's true, But
still I still think that that's it's not no, no, no,
it's a bad one. That's that's where you that's where
you draw the line for the beneficiary.

Speaker 2 (58:50):
Is just awful complete Hulk that he did go that route,
especially in a second book where he felt, I think
kind of an implicit pressure to up the ante from
his rather fictionalized WWE and how account where apparently, come
to find out, Vince McMahon was quite frustrated with that
book because he thought Hulk was going to tell a
lot more down and dirty stories, because I guess Hulk
has a lot of like stuff that's never come out about,

(59:11):
you know, wild sex parties and drugs. And eventually he
got a lot more sure about that. But I still
think there's sure things that that Vince really wanted I
mean you mean he wanted more stories in the book.
That's what Vince. I understand Vince's expectations for the book
to be, but it was just a very careful kind
of you know, there'd be like three page chapters in there,

(59:32):
just designed to scratch some itch that Hulk had about
some thing someone said about him twenty five years ago.
It's like, why was that in there? You know, it's
kind of a strange compendium. But eventually, damnit, Terry, I
want the sex. Where's the sex?

Speaker 3 (59:46):
I want it? Tell the stories. I need my stories
told through your mouth.

Speaker 2 (59:51):
Remember in that script that linked linked leaked of the
Pandemonium Inc. Biopic treatment for him that we read out
one time on the podcast, they had Linda saying that
Hulk's the kind of guy that makes women want to
do butt sex.

Speaker 3 (01:00:06):
Come on, everyone knows you drive the ladies to anal
all right, we all want to get those ladies in
the ass boss. No, not you, damn, I mean the
other ladies. How funny is that? Like the whole time
when Hogan's running high in the eighties, he doesn't see

(01:00:27):
a cartoon character. He sees someone that the women want.
And look, I'm not saying there were no women that
didn't want Hulk Hogan. But really, like, I can't think
of a top baby face in wrestling history who had
less of an appeal to women than him. Oh I know,
I mean, you know, because again he just he looks
like a goof Hulk Cogan on his best day.

Speaker 2 (01:00:43):
Okay, not carry von Harrison, not Brett Hart. He's not
Sehn Michaels.

Speaker 7 (01:00:47):
No.

Speaker 3 (01:00:50):
I mean, listen, the only thing the only thing about
him that he that that is that is I would
imagine on a physical level that is appealing is the
fact that he's that he's fucking bulky. You feel like
you're playing enough super human Yeah when you right, but
like you know, that's it. That's it. Like, you know,
why do you want the fucking bald guy with the

(01:01:12):
with the with the handlebar mustache. You're like, you don't
want to fucking you don't want him ride me like
a fucking you know, like that's like the last thing
you want. I mean, unless you maybe you think he's
got like a you know, when you're talking about twenty
four inch pith time you're talking about twenty four inch cock.
I don't know if that's what you're thinking about, but
like not, he's not. Again, remember when we when we

(01:01:36):
watched No Holds Bar like the idea of him being
as is are they thinking it's it's a it's atrocious,
it's atrocious. He's not somebody who you like. Sex doesn't
even cross my mind when I think about hol Coast
is not one. It was never.

Speaker 2 (01:01:55):
And the thing the reason I say that is because
I've seen so many babyfaces go through that curtain and
like they're it's unmistakable that they've got huge female support.
You can hear him screaming, you can see them reaching
rapidly over the guardrails trying to get to them. You
see footage of them in public at autograph sessions or
whatever the case may be, being mobbed by women and
teenage girls. I never ever, ever saw that with Hull

(01:02:15):
Coogan ever. No, I've watched everything he's ever done.

Speaker 3 (01:02:19):
Basically, Yeah, he's always got kids, you know, it's always
kids that are around him, like not women.

Speaker 2 (01:02:24):
So that's always fascinating when that kind of enters the equation.
When everyone else was screaming Billy Graham rights, he sat there, transfixed,
never darting his eyes, dissecting my every move and facial gesture.

Speaker 3 (01:02:34):
His gaze was so I think, I think, I think
he's just I also think that maybe that Hogan's got
some ADHD and then he's just fucking off in his
own world. So yeah, like he's staring not because he's interested, actually,
but he's steering because he's just like he's got a
million things that are going through his head at the
same time, right, and so he's he's concentration.

Speaker 2 (01:02:53):
Is actually a paralysis of all the things bouncing around
his head at anything. So many times, so many times
I have been caught staring at somebody, but I'm not
actually like I'm staring because you're thinking your mind to
somewhere else. You don't even realize. My mind is completely gone.
I'm thinking about a million different things, and it just
happens to me that my eyes are at this person,
and it's like, that's it. Like, honestly, if it you know,

(01:03:18):
either I turned that direction or you walked into my
vision my viewpoint there, and that was it. Like I
so many times it's happened where I'm like, oh no, sorry,
I wasn't even I didn't even know you were there.
You've been staring right at you, I was like miles away, well,
thinking of a different thing. Well, then we have established
talking childhood friends and stuff here on the complete is

(01:03:39):
said his mind was always all over the place, and
he was always thinking about, you know, getting taken advantage of.
He's always triple guessing things and always concocting stories, even
before he was in the wrestling business. So you might
be onto something there. His gaze Billy Graham Wrights was
so piercing that occasionally I found myself looking back at him.
One night at the Imperial Room, a nightclub where the

(01:04:01):
boys hung out in Tampa, Terry approached me. I was
seated and he was standing towering over me. Like Jesse
and Toro, and Terry wanted to become a wrestler, but
he felt like the local promoter in this case that
a Graham was shutting him out. Terry was frustrated, but
not discouraged. We've read this before, by the way, but
it'll be important. You're going to recognize this line coming
up here.

Speaker 3 (01:04:17):
Boss.

Speaker 2 (01:04:17):
I'm not thinking no for an answer, he vowed. It
was the first of many encounters. Another time, Terry confessed
that he felt too thin for the squirt circle and
asked Steve Strong in me about the types of steroids.
We yes, what did you remember?

Speaker 3 (01:04:28):
What he said?

Speaker 2 (01:04:29):
When Terry asked them, I don't remember, not on anything.
We're not on anything. Strong answer, Yes, that's right, that's right.
Booking the future icon dead in the eye. Terry acknowledged
the rib with a nod and a grin. You know,
where would Terry Bulan, a wrestling fan, have gotten the
idea the superstar Billy Graham was doing steroids back in

(01:04:50):
seventy seven or seventy six, whenever this initial encounter took place.
So I don't know, Maybe just watch some of his
promos in New York.

Speaker 8 (01:04:57):
Right now, let's bring on coming GANI out a man
who has confidence in himself. He should a great outlet
in his own right. The pipeon like superstar of Billy Graham,
and we didn't see the strength. We saw a little
display of strength in the future in the previous contest.
But now the one coming up here in the future,
well we see that awesome power once again. What type
of style will Superstar Billy Graham resort to?

Speaker 3 (01:05:19):
Number one?

Speaker 4 (01:05:20):
I'm gonna take seven Diana balls a day, five.

Speaker 3 (01:05:23):
Dollas, test throw shots, a week.

Speaker 6 (01:05:26):
So strong and so powerful.

Speaker 3 (01:05:28):
I'm gonna bring it back with a superstar.

Speaker 6 (01:05:30):
Pharaoh Lock the pharo got him right.

Speaker 4 (01:05:33):
With us till the man cries.

Speaker 3 (01:05:34):
I give up, Superstar. I shouldn't be here to begin with.
It was a mistake. The first match was a mistake.
Your foots on the road. I shouldn't have to build.
The man will cry like a baby.

Speaker 8 (01:05:44):
And you firstly we hold the microphones were fought back
to the crying.

Speaker 3 (01:05:48):
Right wizard drink.

Speaker 8 (01:05:49):
Now you may think there's an energy and a power
shortage in this country, but there's gonna be enough.

Speaker 5 (01:05:54):
Energy, enough power from a superstar.

Speaker 3 (01:05:57):
If we can only get that out.

Speaker 8 (01:05:59):
That would get up to light up the world that
can't beat it back about an hour. Superstar is back.
Ladies and gentlemen on the.

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Speaker 3 (01:07:31):
Apologies for the audio quality. That's all that survives, but
needless to say, Boss it's too bad. He fucking says
he's going to take Diana ball and he's gonna stove
needles in his ass. Yes, And you should see Ernie Roth,
the Grand Wizard who you heard at the end there.
You should see him purse his lips together and hold
in the biggest belly laugh when he realizes, Wow, what

(01:07:52):
Billy Graham is saying on that microphone. Now, Vince, who
is holding the mic is out a frame at the time,
so you can't see his reaction, but I'm sure right
at him. You know, he's got those fucking horse teeth
going out all like crazy. I mean, he's on TV.
And also, I mean, honestly, I was, I was, I
you know, you sure that's Billy grahams is not only

(01:08:13):
Dusty real, No shit, that's the whole idea. Jesus Christ.

Speaker 2 (01:08:17):
Well, the bear hug is important. You meant you heard
him mention the superstar bear hug. If there's any doubt
that Billy Graham influenced Tulkogan, You're going to find that
Terry Bullay's first real submission hold or finishing hold was
the bear hug, and that's what got him over as
this monstrous heel not only in Gulf Coast, but also
initially in the WWWF in nineteen seventy nine.

Speaker 3 (01:08:38):
So wow.

Speaker 2 (01:08:39):
Before to getting into that in time, Billy writes Terry
would convince Hiro Matsuda to take him on as a student.
A few years later he hit the WWF brag about
his pythons. He just heard Vince McMahon junr there reference
the python like Billy Graham's. You can tell where that
came from.

Speaker 3 (01:08:56):
Guess well, well, we have a hero of the python
like Billy Grant defense to put any trains, all the
life out of it completely, like I mean, it makes
him seem like a snake. Not that he's got massive arms,
but he's got fucking We have a Python like individual
here in the form of Billy Graham, a gentleman of
a particular nature who think, who thinks he's got strength

(01:09:21):
that goes beyond the capabilities of most individualistic individuals. Can't
wait for taking it away, way, yea, yeah, take it away? Indeed,
please can't wait to hear from this guy. Now, Python
like Python like the python like Billy Graham's.

Speaker 8 (01:09:41):
Right now, let's bring on coming Gandhia out a man
who asks confidence in himself. He should a great athlete
in his own right, a Python like superstar.

Speaker 3 (01:09:49):
Billy Graham's such a fucking idiot.

Speaker 2 (01:09:52):
He's such an always gives himself in so much trouble
when he tries to over annunciate and when he tries
to over complicate what he's trying to say, when he
tries to dress it up and tries to, oh, be aerodyite.
He always puts his foot in his mouth. When he
does that, it completely takes everything away from from Billy Graham,
like instantly, instant, everything is gone, like you write, honestly,

(01:10:17):
it's amazing because if I feel like if that had
been done, you know, it's fortunate that you've got guys
again who who who were trained in a certain way
and built up and you know, not necessarily within the
the WWE system like people are today, but like you'd
sit there and that could that could have buried somebody

(01:10:40):
in the last oh yeah, Python, like ten years, if
somebody if somebody took your your your you know again,
some kind of attribute and talk about your your your
fucking pythons that are your arms and they call you
python like today, it would be like, what, well, what
is he like people would go crazy over that. They
wouldn't know what the fuck is going on, and he'd
become complete goof complete joke. A few years later, Graham writs,

(01:11:03):
he hit the WWF his Hohle Cochin where he brag
about his pythons and ask what you're gonna do when
whole comania runs wild on you? Borrowing from my standard line,
what you're gonna do when the Superstar comes down on you?
So you can definitely start to see, uh.

Speaker 3 (01:11:16):
The he had to change that one, and we didn't
you have that interview where he said, uh, the Superstar
is going to go down on you. No, that was
that was a different episode of Donahue, as far as
I know, is going to go down on you. But
we're gonna call now Superstar.

Speaker 2 (01:11:35):
We're gonna phone him up, uh and figure out what
this next move is that me and my uh my
pal here already Boulder can make so boss. This is
from Hogan's second book, If you please regale the Solar
System with the story of how Terry gets to networking
to get a cocoa beach behind him.

Speaker 3 (01:11:53):
Right here we go over of course that year, you know,
Bruce a real service about two things working that club,
working on working that club base I know, work in
that club and working out in that gym, work in

(01:12:15):
that club. That that was me this afternoon at lunch.
And wouldn't he he'd probably working that club in the
back at some point. I mean, I got crazy focus
on building my body. Whether it was some kind of
of a reaction to the whole wrestling fiasco or not,
I made up my mind that I was going to

(01:12:35):
get as big as I possibly could. I had a
pretty good starting porn. I was already in fantastic shape.
But even without with the muscle, the base that I
build and how fit I was from those Matsuda workouts
and the god given gift to my natural size, there
was no way I could achieve that over the top, thick, massive,
golden god look I was after without help, Brother, Yeah,

(01:13:02):
let's fucking go. The help I needed came in two forms.
Like I said, you got a little more honest as
time went on. Yeah, I'll say, I like the title
of the chat. When when Royds were the rage, well
late nineteen to seventies, steroids were everywhere, all over the place,

(01:13:27):
all over the place, just you know, doctor was giving
him to INFI I'm.

Speaker 2 (01:13:30):
Pretty sure all over most people in the late seventies,
like people had nothing to do with steroids, and the
first thing about where to get them your whole world
was the fucking weightlifting gym.

Speaker 3 (01:13:42):
Maybe yeah, but like I mean, as we know, you know,
I mean, I guess, I guess the late seventies it
would have been a bigger thing because after pumping iron
came out, you know, that was obviously created a whole thing.
But no doubt, But I don't know about everywhere. And
I'm just talking about here we go, and I'm much
talking about the wrestling world. You could walk into almost

(01:14:04):
any gym or locker room in this country, like any
locker room, so like at a high school gym or
elementary school locker room, elementary lock there we go in
fine steroids if you had, if you had her eyes open,
it was a different era. They were legal, they were legal.
Doctors were pretty much pretty much hand you prescription for

(01:14:24):
whatever you wanted, right, I mean, it sounds like you
can get them over the counter. Legal legal doctors wouldn't
have to give you a prescription to buy them, right,
you can get them over the counter. You can just
go to fucking CV as and you could buy steroids,
buy a fucking well, you got the juice of riggs ale, brother,

(01:14:46):
the orange juice is over there, and the rigs are
down at the fucking Sportratorium every Tuesday. The rigs are
down down in the dock, you know, the docks there,
So if you want to do that, and the American males.
But as we litigated endlessly on the trial of his

(01:15:06):
life and other times we've tackled the steroids subject. Even
though federally, you know, using steroids was not illegal, and
certainly possessing them was not illegal up until about eighty
eight and then through to ninety one. There are plenty
of states, plenty of state laws existed that criminalized the
usage of them without a prescription before the federal law

(01:15:28):
was so prescriptive about that. He said, part in the party.

Speaker 2 (01:15:31):
So you know, this idea that like just because every
time you listen closely, they always say federal law, federal law.
This idea that like people were carrying this stuff without
a warry in the world and that there was nothing
illicit about them in the seventies is total bullshit because.

Speaker 3 (01:15:46):
Like just fucking you know, just fucking walking down the street,
taking your ass out and just shoving a needle in
your ass while you're walking down the street. No problem.

Speaker 2 (01:15:53):
Yeah, there's always state laws around prescribing these things that
were violatable way before the federal laws changed.

Speaker 3 (01:16:01):
Yeah. Yeah, uh, doctor, there wouldn't be a federal ban
on steroid until the end of the following decade. On
Cuckoo Beach, nineteen seventy eight, I don't even have to
go looking for them. Instead, steroids found me. They're like
fucking hot, Like, brother, what do you whoa brother? Who's
the who's at the door, Dude, it's twelve thirty at night, dude,

(01:16:22):
water needle? Steroids in my door? Steroids down like the
Microsoft word clip guy in the corner like Hi, They're
like talking to steroids. Hi, I'm steroids. I want your ass.

Speaker 8 (01:16:36):
Come on.

Speaker 3 (01:16:37):
Steroids came looking for me, brother? What dude? What do
you guys? Which one are you?

Speaker 1 (01:16:43):
Brother?

Speaker 5 (01:16:43):
You?

Speaker 3 (01:16:43):
You and or you die? Are you the aquaritine steroid force?

Speaker 1 (01:16:47):
Brother?

Speaker 3 (01:16:49):
I'm here, Just stick it in your ass. Brother. My
brother Madison said, you dude, Alan, dude? You allan?

Speaker 2 (01:17:04):
That was another uh parallel with loof Rigno is the
brother that the parents loved more.

Speaker 3 (01:17:10):
Oh yes, yes, were you Kenny dude? Do you know
Kenny brother? That was a that was an ambiguous response.
Sounds like they do know Kenny, but they didn't know
Terry knew they knew Kenny, so they just walked, Oh

(01:17:34):
my god, It's like we were saying Jesus Christ, Kenny.
I honestly had not gotten Sture's Laevantine Hunger Force, French
fries and the animated soda cup walking up to his apartment.
I'm gonna start off, I'm gonna go back a little
bit and say in cougoa beach nine whos seventy eight?
I don't even have to go looking for them. Instead,
steroids found me. They just walked him through, right in

(01:17:55):
through the front door of Whitey and Terry's Olympic fuck
and read that far ahead. A couple of local weightlifters
came through the check out the facility, and before I
knew it, they were taking like they were talking like
traveling salesm and go, hey man, why don't you take
the Hannah ball. You won't believe the results. Just try
it and see and if you really want to see
some bulk, he should take this and that well, there

(01:18:17):
was no occasion. This stuff could hurt you or kill you,
could kill you. I'm sure there was fear mongering around that. Sure,
I'm sure there were people that people said, oh yeah,
he died of steroids, no question. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And
when he uses stuff, was the best spokesperson possible because
they all looked great. You know, Brutus and I were sold.

(01:18:39):
He calls him Brutus right then and there, and we
got into it. We got into it heavy.

Speaker 2 (01:18:43):
Let's not forget this is the guy who thought doctor
knew what to do for a spine because he was ten.

Speaker 3 (01:18:48):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:18:50):
Oh so great, total NonStop Hogan days.

Speaker 3 (01:18:53):
You know, we found pretty quickly that it was all
about finding the right cocktail that worked for you, and
once you hit the correct combo, the results were fast
and furious. There was always a base of testos roone.
It could be one cc, maybe more, he just went
by feel. Then there was deca deca durbolin and oil
based steroid, and you'd take that once or twice a week.

(01:19:14):
Then there were pills like anavar and the aforementioned donaball
you know, which I know now is actually very toxic.
It's it's like an androgen that makes you hold fluid.
All steroids are stressful on your internal organs. But I
was young and invincible, you know it. I took pills
every day, I shot up out every third day. The

(01:19:34):
results were incredible and kept every third day. A man,
I mean, that's that's right? When is it normal? Like
when I feel like.

Speaker 2 (01:19:45):
I don't know anything about this stuff, Like as far
as to that level of routine, I was feeling cycles,
you do it like every other day, and then you
like stop for a week, right, I.

Speaker 3 (01:19:56):
Mean, I was like, it seems like if you're if
you're going like a certain on a good on a
certain cycle, like it's you do it for a little while,
then your office for days takes away the whole idea
of a cycle. Doesn't cycle, not at all. You know,
there's ultis kept going in just a couple of months.

(01:20:17):
I was seeing that sort of Greek gods swell. I
envisioned there's no limit to the amount of steroids. We
could do as much as we wanted. The local weightlifter
dealers could provide if you want to pay a hundred pills,
If you wanted to buy a hundred pills, you could,
and if he wanted to buy ten thousand bills, you could.
If you wanted to buy a whole fuck. If you
wanted to buy the factory brother to make the pills,

(01:20:39):
you could, dude, to make your own factory brother, right
the way. I would not see it.

Speaker 2 (01:20:46):
Nothing Terry at all had any designs on participating in
this kind of commerce in Cocoa Beach on the.

Speaker 3 (01:20:53):
Brother. I'm not so, I don't know, but listen, I am.
I want to tell you right now, dude, I do not.
I've never used the Tampa Pipeline Brother, and I do not.
I do not do the Tampa Pipeline Brother. People who
know I'm not, did Terry sell drugs? And they'll say
Terry was not a drug dealer, But they won't say
he didn't sell. I definitely don't sell. Say that's that

(01:21:21):
whole there's no limit. Waituh, he never sold? Yeah, right,
Even if you get caught with a thousand bottles from
a drug dealer, as long as you have that that
prescription for that substance in your bag, you were Okay,
I love carrying around a prescription Brutus's bag depending yeah right,

(01:21:43):
But I love the idea like I mean, you know, oh, yeah,
they all had a note. They had a little thing,
a little gimmick. Absolutely they did. I just because, like,
how normal is that of guilt?

Speaker 9 (01:21:55):
Is that?

Speaker 3 (01:21:56):
Like you think? I think myself, like, listen, I take
you know whatever, and I'm like, I'm not carrying around
a fucking my doctor's prescription everywhere I fucking go.

Speaker 2 (01:22:05):
You know what the question is is it something that
you could be arrested for possessing if you didn't have
a doctor's permission.

Speaker 3 (01:22:12):
That's the difference. So like, yeah, I thought, Terry, I
thought it was legal. Yeah, it'd be like oxyconton, you know,
like they found who it's legal? Though, Terry, why do
you why do you need why are you nervous? Legal? Doctor?
But ask me about nervous? Dude? Want what wait? What
would nervous? Exactly? What slip that in there? I don't

(01:22:38):
I don't listen. I don't take steroids. I don't abuse steroids.
I don't use steroids. I don't abuse them. Right now,
I don't sell them. I don't deal them. I don't
sell them. I don't deal them. I'm no part of
the Tampa pipeline.

Speaker 2 (01:22:50):
Every time I've given someone old steroids, it was in
advance of them giving me theirs later.

Speaker 3 (01:22:57):
If trust me, anytime I've ever given anybody steroids, it
was not for a business arrangement. Dude. I have not
taken any kind of monetary thing, and I have not
ever given anybody else steroids ever, and I don't and
I won't and I'm not addicted to it. And great

(01:23:19):
thing to volunteer because no one was saying anything about addiction.

Speaker 2 (01:23:24):
Love and he gives himself away the best and I
don't abuse given it to other people give it. I
never will, I never have, and I'm not addicted to it.
I don't abuse given steroids. I don't deal.

Speaker 3 (01:23:48):
Steroids. I don't deal cards with steroids. Brother, a local
doctor who was friends with Whitey was kind enough to
write down whenever we wanted so we'd be street legal.

(01:24:10):
Found out that doesn't necessarily make it street legal if
the doctor knows full well. Yeah, I hear street legal too,
and I don't know. Whenever I hear street legal, I
think of I think of Old School in the movie
Old School, because you get Will Ferrell who's working on
his car one way and he's like, he's like, like

(01:24:31):
fucking he says, but don't say anything about it, because
it's not exactly street legal. It's fucking engine that he's
working on. It's like insanely loud. And then once we
had his prescription for let's say, one bottle to toss
roone would run right out and buy fifty bottles from
one of those dealers down the street box. So if
you have a minute and so you'd buy. So you

(01:24:58):
get a prescription for one bottle to a sauceron and
you buy fifty bottles that street legal from one of
those that's I guess that's street legal. Down the street legal,
he says, if you only carry one of them at
a time, right, I guess I can carry bro something
like a whole fucking gym bag of pills. Uh. I

(01:25:19):
got a script for that, dude, I don't know. It
says one. It says one one bag, brother, one bag
of bottle. Peoples understand, and he unders gets that's right,
du The thing is, I didn't have any second thoughts
on pumping my body full of the stuff because everybody
was steroids were safe. I guess it's kind of like
in the nineteen fifties when everyone said smoking cigarettes was safe.

(01:25:43):
They I didn't they didn't say it was safe. You
heard that if you wanted to hear coming, right, But
I think I mean, when do they when do they
start putting We feel like they started putting labels on
that back then. You know, see, like cigarette warnings.

Speaker 2 (01:26:02):
Falling asleep next to a campfire was never a good idea,
and so in hailing smoke never a good idea either.
It's a question of like how you know how obnoxious
you want to get up? Yes, exactlyteen. I guess nineteen
sixty six was when it was when the first warning
labels came out. But still I feel like even back

(01:26:27):
then it was like not necessarily that. And obviously everyone
was smoking back.

Speaker 3 (01:26:30):
Then, especially in the wrestling arenas. Oh of course, damn
straight hell some people were. Some people even said smoking
was good for you, right if yeah, probably my my
my addicted uncle probably said that it was good for you, Diane.

Speaker 2 (01:26:50):
She attributes her slim figure to Marlboro lights. Oh yes, fuck,
oh my god, let me tell you I was looking
for that ideal. I'm gonna tell you, I get fucked
so fucking fast every night.

Speaker 3 (01:27:08):
And now we travel to Springfield to meet her sister Marge,
and in the seventies, everyone just up the anne a little.
I'll say they went around saying it was perfectly safe
to smoke pot and it certainly wasn't gonna kill you
to snort some cocaine else in the locker room circles,

(01:27:30):
I know, right, And in locker room circles it was.
It was just like, given that shooting steroids was safe
to brother, who's shooting boiler? No one said it was
a shoot exactly exactly? Who shoot brother? Like he gets
he's like, he's like reading the audio book in the studio,

(01:27:53):
He's like, well, who's shooting brother? He looks at the producers,
like the should shoot me? Where's the shoot brother? Where's
the shoot dude? What's me? Terry Terry, I'm sorry what
they're talking through that mic into the studio? Yeah, Terry
where I'm sorry? You got to shoot? What are you
talking about? Well, it's written Reddit, it's a shooting run.

(01:28:18):
You're pretending not to listen. Uh, I didn't write the book, Darry.
You did, Terry Terry, You wrote the book. I mean,
what does it mean? Why?

Speaker 9 (01:28:29):
What?

Speaker 3 (01:28:33):
I don't know? Because you asked him what it means? Well,
tell you, because you're you're seeming to be concerned, and
I just, uh, I just you're just reading what You're
all I want asking the questions your brother. Dude. I'm
see I'm the one who's vulnerable right now, brother, because
I'm reading this thing out loud, and I gonta understand
where you're coming from right now, brother, having me read
this stuff, Dude, where you're coming from? This guy is

(01:28:57):
just some engineer that works at the studio. He and
give a fuck who this is. I don't, I don't.
I mean, listen, I'm just here to record that. Just
you're reading your book. Man, I don't, I don't. I
don't know what you want. Well, I think that's the problem.

Speaker 7 (01:29:14):
You do.

Speaker 3 (01:29:14):
You don't know what I want. And I want to
know why you don't know what I want to He's
not that complicated, brother, to figure out what it is
I want.

Speaker 2 (01:29:21):
I want to know what's going on with his shooting.
Everyone's shooting in the locker room. You're putting this copy
in front of me, brother, like, I'm just just read this.

Speaker 3 (01:29:32):
I don't, I don't. I don't know what to tell
you except that you know it's Henry Holmes on the phone.
I'm not going to again, Henry Holmes, it's in your book,
it's in his What do you want? It's in his book?
He wrote it, he wrote it. But who are you
talking to you over there? Exactly? I'm not. I'm talking
to your guy. This guy with this kind of weird

(01:29:54):
mullet pompadour thing in a mustache. He's got sunglasses inside.
I don't know what he's he said, this is your manager?
Was that Jimmy?

Speaker 9 (01:30:02):
Brother?

Speaker 3 (01:30:03):
I don't know what? Can we just listen? I want
to go home? Who's ever going home? Dude? What someone
gorilla calling? First of all? Home?

Speaker 4 (01:30:14):
Brother?

Speaker 3 (01:30:17):
We rolling me up? Someone in this brother? You get
someone in the recording booth with me? Dude, Terry, it's
too small for two people, brother? What we you say?
It's too small? Dude? I got twenty four inch pythons. Brother,
I don't, I don't, I don't.

Speaker 1 (01:30:37):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:30:41):
There's nobody in there with you. Why would you offer that, brother?
Why would you offer that statement?

Speaker 4 (01:30:45):
Dude?

Speaker 3 (01:30:46):
That information? Nobody's in here with me? But I didn't
ask what you did just before? If I put somebody
else in there, brother? What? But then you're putting words
my mouth? Dude, you're putting my mouth all over these
fuck words, dude, and I will understand what's going on, brother,
because here we're talking about a shoot. You're telling me
I got a guy behind me who's gonna roll me

(01:31:07):
up in this fucking booth. Brother, you got Jimmy Hart
who's over there trying to screw me as well. What's
going on? Brother? With my book coming out, Well, that's
what you get for having Hulk read and in locker
room circles, it was just a given that shooting steroids
was safe too. Yeah. Yeah, I'd also like to like,

(01:31:27):
you know that, you know, smoking pots perfectly safe, and
you know it's not gonna kill you if you snort
some cocaine, and you know in locker rooms, you know
shooting steroids is safe too. And you know what else
is totally fine. Just walking down the street and fucking
popping somebody with a gun, No big deal, No one's
gonna stop you.

Speaker 2 (01:31:44):
If you remember back then, people were like, yeah, man,
do all the heroin you want. You know, fucking sent
no lollipops, It's all good.

Speaker 3 (01:31:56):
Fucking ridiculous. There's also sort of a social thing to brother.
When you took steroids, you were just like every other
musclehead in the gym. And if you didn't, it's almost like, well,
why you waste your time in here? So true? We
want to be healthy, dude, what's going home?

Speaker 2 (01:32:13):
You know the only reason new power lift is to
see how much your body could do with every advantage
known to God. And if that's not your goal, they
don't get it.

Speaker 3 (01:32:22):
It's so crazy. It is the convenicent availability. Just push
it over the top while make an appointment and waste
all that time at a doctor's office to get one bottle.
Not gonna lot ten bottles of that one I want
right now, and do it for three dollars a bottle.
I remember tis stosterone was like ten dollars a bottle,
and we have and had ten shots in it, and

(01:32:42):
there was just so much of it everywhere. It actually
made you feel in place as opposed to out of
place to take steroids. Before long, everyone in the gym
was doing it. Everybody who worked at the bar was
doing it, and you could you could look at the
way the top the top athlete looked and know that
they were all doing it too. Brother, So it wasn't
consider a reckless thing. In fact, you know that whole
year I spent in Cocoa Beach was anything but reckless.

(01:33:06):
And even though I was running the anchor, I didn't drink.
I went all of nineteen seventy eight without putting a
drop of alcohol my body. Alcohol just wouldn't cut it
with the schedule. That was not what yes, right, not
at all? Listen. I can't I cannot imagine that hul
Cogan could remember all of nineteen seventy eight when he

(01:33:27):
wrote this book. So I don't know. I don't buy
that for one moment. After working out and running the
gym all day, but just don't know. I had a
pretty standard routine. Would open up the bar and get
everyone settled, and then we'd come back and watch David
Letterman's Late night show I Love. That wasn't on in
nineteen seventy eight, hadn't come out yet, I don't think,

(01:33:48):
so only that came out until like the mid eighties.
And just mean Carson. I could be wrong, Yeah, I
mean well late because late night was after sure.

Speaker 7 (01:34:01):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (01:34:03):
Carson. But I don't think when did it start? Yeah,
nineteen eighty two is when that starts. Well, so yeah,
I don't know about this. Nineteen seventy eight shit, but whatever,
uh huh uh uh, and know they watched it, you know,

(01:34:25):
you know while we watch, we drink these power shakes.
I'll take the most fatmining protein there was, called metaball
and dump it in a blunder with half a cube
of vanilla Hoggin' Dots, ice cream banana, and two huge
wads of peanut butter. Probably the most fammy shit you
can eat.

Speaker 2 (01:34:44):
Dude, Eddie and Terry with their treats, watching Letterman like
you're fucking these fucking uh and then we put whipped
cream and sprinkle after that? Am I the only one
basically picturing Beavis and buttheaded couch here?

Speaker 3 (01:35:01):
Yeah, dude, seriously, Yeah, I'm picture of them, picturing them like,
you know, shirtless, you know, and like and like gym shorts,
you know, Beavis and juice Head, right exactly, they had,
like judge to render these two oh fucking t shirt
sitting on the pink couch, probably the most famming shit
you can eat. We'd drink two blenders with that crap,

(01:35:24):
watch a Letterman, then go back to the bar and
stay until closing at four am. So so they would
they don't they'd open the bar, I'm okay, So they'd
open the bar, get everything settled, then go back and
watch Letterman. I don't understand they would just leave the
flavor and watch TV. And then they'd leave the floor

(01:35:46):
and just go we'd come back, meaning that they would
be back at their apartment or back at the gym.
I don't know where they watched the show, but I
think yeah, they would leave the bar to in someone
else's hands while they watched that show and then come
back after it was over. Oh, I would have been

(01:36:07):
wrecked the next day if I had been boozing it up,
so alcohol was out and pot was in. Brother, I
still don't understand. This makes no that just makes any
sense at all. That schedule makes no fucking sense at all.
I don't understand. Why are you leaving the bar if
you're working.

Speaker 2 (01:36:25):
I think his his job was less to serve patrons
all night and more to just supervise the people who
did that was that was my impression. He did work
the bar, no question, and Don Wilson laid it out
in as much detail as he could remember, as you
can't forget this is just one guy that worked there
for one year, right, He wasn't ut Cogan then, so
he was barely remembered. But I get the sense that

(01:36:47):
he was kind of more supervising things than the person
that you know that the place had to shut down
if he wasn't there to serve drinks? What about Brutus
though it wasn't he He was the door man, he
was the front zone man, many including don.

Speaker 3 (01:37:00):
I guess that's true. It's one of many, So I'm like,
why why does he get to leave too? They were
kind of made men in a way. It sounds like
because Whitey basically recruited them to help ran open the place,
not just work there. Yeah, it's fucking crazy. I would
have been round and was in. I started smoking pot
a little bit in the last couple of bands I
was in, and the other guys would it disappear on me?

(01:37:22):
During breaks? I'd, you know, put there are you going? Brother?

Speaker 7 (01:37:25):
On?

Speaker 3 (01:37:26):
Of course you asked that question, why am I alone?
All of a sudden, dude, I'll put the bass guitar
down and ask, you know, where the fuck did everyone
want to go? Did they had a secret code to
lose me or something?

Speaker 4 (01:37:39):
Brother?

Speaker 3 (01:37:40):
Oh, here we go? Well and they come back smelling
like weed. I finally asked David the keyboard player about it,
and he said, we doing out there, brother, exactly what
was going on out there? Do you? Why are you
smoking like pot? Uh Ant was smoking pot? Brother, you're

(01:38:00):
smoking pot.

Speaker 2 (01:38:01):
That's like the most surprising answer to that question he
could have gotten. Why do you spelling pot? Because I
was smoking it? What d a rock and roll band?

Speaker 3 (01:38:13):
Rock and roll? Pot and roll ain't no pot and roll, brother,
hoot and roll pot and Roid the terry bullet of
Cocoa Beach years.

Speaker 2 (01:38:31):
The pot and roll sounds like a sushi item. This
guy's roting so hard. Oh, it's like it's unbelievable. He's
got the muscle shirt every day. Like he's got the
lifestyle too, where he like shows off the muscles twenty
four hours a day. He doesn't have to go to
an office, you know what I mean, he doesn't have
to work at construction site.

Speaker 3 (01:38:49):
It's like, you know, I I picture like people who
went to the bar one night they see they see Hogan.
The next time they come back and he's like all
fucking ballooned out exactly. It's fucking crazy ballooned. You should
try it. I never wanted to. I was pretty clean

(01:39:10):
cut kid. But on the whole band, you know, went
on this camping trip down the down the the the
with Lacuchi River. The what the with Lacuci River? That
sounds like that sounds exactly the fu Yeah, I used

(01:39:31):
to go. I used to go to fuck the pussy
river too, back in the day with Lakuchi River. And
I finally smoked joint, nothing happened, smoking another one. Before
he knew it. I was ordering thirty testosterone before he
knew it. I was ordering thirty joints for one fucking joint.

(01:39:52):
He finally smoked a joint, Nothing happened, so he smoked
another one. I understand. That's what it gets even more complicated.
Oh god, nothing happened. Also had four Oh my god,

(01:40:15):
most had four or five joints. That first time. I
didn't feel a thing. Then all of a sudden, we
stopped to pitch the tent. You pitch the tent down
with the Lacuchi River. Okay, this now makes sense. That's
all makes sense. With Lacuchi is what they called Don
Wilson's penthouse above the with less satisfaxion with Lacuchi popping tents,

(01:40:47):
pitching tents, I started started eating everything inside, potato chips, oreos, pussy,
everything to get my hands on. And they're all laughing.
He's eating pussy. Look at is eating pussy. They're calling
him Ahogan of course. Yeah, this is a running joke.

(01:41:09):
Oh you're Stone, You're Stone. You got the munchies, man,
Shure didn't feel like I was stoned? Well, I guess
I was. Man, That's why those fattening shakes were down
so easy and go go beach. I was stone, brother.
I picture him as making a shriek on Tuesday, tight

(01:41:29):
into the vents and be like pumping powder. Dude, Oh
yes I do. Oh my god. I never tell you
the time I had a a pot brownie. Yeah, and
you couldn't move, right, I couldn't move. Yeah, I told
you that one. Yeah, totally, dude, just fucking I could not.

(01:41:53):
I I just was so stupid because I ate it
all so fucking fast. It's good in all, exactly what
he's describing exactly. Yeah, you know, I mean I didn't
get the munchies. I was just fucking done. You'd get
the munchies because you right, I hate the whole brownie
and I'm like moving, Man, you don't know, do you

(01:42:15):
know how you react to that ship exactly? I'm like,
never again, I'm good. I don't need I don't need
my my pot cocoa beach brownie. And he stayed fucked up, like,
come on his whole life? Oh yes, come on, you
know he was kind of blowing pot his whole life,
blowing that cush. Give me break, folks, what do you
think was in Brutus's uh fanny pack? Come on, all right, seriously,

(01:42:39):
let's sign minutes words a little bit of the rattle
rattle in there. Yeah, take the edge off, fire up,
but donald things up, now things down. Take these things
back on track, brother, Take things in the next level.
Take a down level brother, and you know, negotiate things
they go along. Yep, regulation pop a couple of that

(01:43:01):
wide glide. That's pick the long road or a short bus.
Get a short road and a long metaphors. Run out
of things to say here, I have the appetizer after
the ontrosen.

Speaker 2 (01:43:19):
Brother, starting with dessert first, dude. Right, I'm a living
dessert first brother. I mean I'm wide gliding on that
on those guns.

Speaker 3 (01:43:28):
Starting with the dessert dude, and with the moss roll sticks,
brother fat and shaked dude, fattening shaked dude. You know
I have a fucking junk food brother, half a cube
half I'm gonna for half a cube and does at
my next shake it's gonna be for terry. I mean
that's it that. I mean that is not a protein shake.
That is a milkshake. I bother. Okay, it's gonna taste

(01:43:51):
it anyway, or if you're doing that fucking oh no,
he's talking about how much he said, He said, with
a half.

Speaker 10 (01:43:56):
Thing of it.

Speaker 3 (01:43:57):
Half a cube, which I took to be a little amount,
not like a thimble, not a big amount. But what's
a cube?

Speaker 5 (01:44:04):
Like?

Speaker 3 (01:44:04):
I ever think an ice cube thing? Yeah, that doesn't
make any sense. I'm gonna say, what's a cube of
ice cream? Are you okay? It's gonna say it sounds
like what are you talking about? A cube of ice
cream can be a prepackaged treat, often in flavors like

(01:44:27):
strawberry chocolate, or unique options like sessing even nolla, okay,
what what's happening the fuck? Or it can be made
homemade by no. I just want to know what this
all can be existing in any shape and ice cream,
there's nothing cube specific. I didn't know what he's talking
about regarding cube, because I honestly talked that. It's like
I usually thought of, like, you know, half a I

(01:44:50):
honestly this is what I pictured in my mind because
I'm looking at I think about it, like, right, you
get the ice cream, you get an ice cream thing, right,
and it's like it's like a it's like a tangle,
a rectangular carton, like the round edges. I don't think
I'm like half of that. It's ridiculous. I don't know.
I agree he's but you're talking about it, but you're

(01:45:10):
talking about having a whole fucking blender of this ship.
Come on, man, you can't fill a blender with it
with an ice cube, a half ice cube of fucking
ice cream. It's true. I don't know this metal. Yes,
that's right, brother. I met a ball, dude, I met
them all. I've done metal ball, done a ball uh

(01:45:32):
Barbica have stayed in Cocoa Beach, just living that laid
back live forever. But but but setting in on one
spot on the car, setting setting in on one spot
of the cars in the cards for me wasn't in
the cars for me. Life is a way of of
always keeping you in check. Brother, Doesn't it just when
you just when things seem to be settled and going great.

(01:45:55):
The rug is he hanged down from under? You probably like,
wool brother, what's going on, dude? Exactly? The rug yanked
out from underhe doesn't that tell you everything you need
to know, that choice of words being in that year,
Whiney decided to get married. He'd had it with the
whole beach scene like this. You know what, Terry, I've
had it with a beat saint. I'm getting married. I'm
done nothing to do with the feds. Well, I just

(01:46:18):
like the idea that that, you know what, I'm done
with this. I'm gonna get married now. Fuck the beach scene.
I'm done. Gotta get married. Oh my god. And he
decided to sell the bar, and I couldn't keep I
couldn't keep the gym open without why he's backing, so
I had to close down too. Poof our little bachelor
party lifestyle was shut down. The thing was enough time

(01:46:40):
had passed that I started to think about wrestling again.
With a crap I went through took a back seat
in my mind with that amazing feeling of being in
the ring with a crowd of people hollering and coo
and cooing, oh oohing and ooing and aweing to every
every move. Plus now I have this body on me.

(01:47:02):
I finally looked like one of those like those heroes
I worshiped as a kid. In fact, I look better
than them. I don't think I think nobody looked like Hulkogan.
It's a story of steroids, that's all it is. It's
a story of steroids. But like, nobody looked his size. Ever,
No nobody did. I started to wonder if I had

(01:47:23):
a out of Florida and, you know, away from the
stigma they had put on me, because of the way
I had got into this and got into this thing,
you know, maybe there was a chance that I could
make the big time. I had a newfound confidence that
didn't exist back in Tampa. So I called up Superstar
Billy graham Dude, I think my arms are bigger than yours. Now, Dude,

(01:47:43):
I just take my biceps and they're twenty four inches.
When Superstar Billy Grahams hit twenty two inches in the
mid seventies, they were considered the biggest guns in the world,
and all of a sudden, mine were twenty four inches around.
I couldn't touch my shoulders for like a year. I
was so blowed it out. Graham couldn't believe his ears.
If you're that big and you really want to wrestle,

(01:48:06):
I'm gonna send you to Louis Killette, And there it is.

Speaker 2 (01:48:09):
I'm gonna send you to Louis te Leett, also known
as the guy who saw Hull Cogan and Terry bolea first. First,
Louis Tillette gets the credit Louis Tillette.

Speaker 3 (01:48:24):
That's wild. Perhaps it should be Louis Tillay, as he
was a French Canaryo brother and.

Speaker 2 (01:48:33):
And you can imagine as a result of his heritage,
close to Under the Giant and close to Pat Patterson
as well.

Speaker 3 (01:48:40):
Sure sure.

Speaker 2 (01:48:41):
Louis Tillette made his pro wrestling debut in the fifties
in Minnesota, and then he ended up in and around Alabama,
where he was Gulf Coast Tag team champion with the
likes of Jackie Fargo Sonny Fargo. He worked in Texas
through the sixties. He was Brass Knucks Champion and uh
TECH his Junior heavyweight champion sixty five. He went out

(01:49:03):
to Florida in sixty seven. He was Florida Heavyweight Champion,
defeating Lester Welch of Ron Fuller's Welch family. So there's
a connection there all the way back in the sixties.
He worked with Wahoo McDaniel. He had that up in
Los Angeles in the seventies and he worked for Continental
which is another word to use for the Southeastern Territory Yeah,

(01:49:27):
to be known as Continental Championship in eighty five, in particular,
when Fuller tried to put the band back together and
do a promotion from the ashes of his prior enterprise
in Knoxville. And after settling in seventy six in Knoxville,
he basically spent the rest of his career there and
that's where he comes into contact with Terry Bolea. To

(01:49:52):
Lay would wrestle on and off even while booking the territory.
To hear, Ron Fuller tellent to cut himself in on
talent pay as well as office pay for now.

Speaker 3 (01:50:00):
And then you know that goes.

Speaker 2 (01:50:02):
But retired in nineteen eighty two from the wrestling business.
He passed away just last year. Wow at well, I
forget how old he was actually was he was eighty
nine years old.

Speaker 3 (01:50:17):
Was Louis Toi Lett.

Speaker 2 (01:50:18):
So kind of a shame that he was gone by
the time inspiration struck to do a career retrospective on
Hulk like this, because man, what a brain.

Speaker 3 (01:50:26):
That would have been. Oh God.

Speaker 2 (01:50:28):
And the fact that I don't see a single interview
that exists of Louis to Lett explaining exactly what he
saw in Terry Buley and exactly how he executed on
it is that that's ridicular hyme and if it actually
please surface it for us, that's unacceptable. Actually, yep, absolutely.

Speaker 9 (01:50:46):
So.

Speaker 2 (01:50:47):
A lot of people remembered him fondly upon his passing,
but he had this, you know, very regional impact on
the business. It was seemed to me to be very
easy to be a big deal in pro wrestling in
the sixties and seventies and never have really heard of
this guy or dealt with him. The part of the
country and where Terry Bulay came from and where he
tried to really break through in the wrestling business. Louis
Tillette was a man maker. And here in his first book,

(01:51:10):
Hogan talks a bit about Louis ti Lett even remembers
him being an interesting character. Hogan remembers he had these
dentures to Louis Tillette that he would take out after
we ate at McDonald's so he could suck the cheese
out of his teeth.

Speaker 3 (01:51:23):
I'm sorry, excuse me what now?

Speaker 2 (01:51:27):
See, I'm surprised that you want me to read that
again because I thought that would be just something you'd
breeze right by, something that wouldn't be a detail that
was really worth anchoring on.

Speaker 3 (01:51:37):
Definitely not. That's definitely the most important thing you said.
This is a man, Louis Tillett, according to Hulk Hogan himself,
who is sure to call out little peccadillos like this
about everybody he came across. He brings everyone down to earth. Yes,
apparently when they'd go to McDonald's, Louis Tillette would take

(01:51:58):
the dentures out of his mouth so he could suck
the he's out of his teeth. I mean, you know what,
My question is, what's the problem, right? And I think
I careful consideration, right, Listen, I'm not I'm listen you
know what, and I'll say this, I don't think there's
any problem at all. It's he's always curious, not at all. Listen.
It definitely does not make me feel uncomfortable nor is

(01:52:20):
it inappropriate. It's just it's just a new a new
way of looking at things, and I'm always curious as
to how people live their life.

Speaker 2 (01:52:28):
A new way of looking at things. The boss declares
of one Louis Toillette and his acclivities, and the McDonald's,
Oh my god, that's so fucking news. Picture that you're
sitting there and the guy takes his teeth out of his.

Speaker 3 (01:52:42):
Face and hearts ah.

Speaker 9 (01:52:46):
Ah.

Speaker 3 (01:52:47):
You know, you know what I picture. This is what
I picture. Okay, this is what I picture. Right, it's
gonna be I picture. You remember any of Jones the
template Doom? Yes, okay, you know the guy, the guy
they're at the dinner scene. The guy takes the fucking
and the beatle and takes the shell officers like picking it.
That's what a picture. He takes the teethousers picking it.

(01:53:08):
It's like like like taking his finger to m hm.

Speaker 2 (01:53:16):
God that government cheese too on top of it. Yeah,
and you know, because it's like he gets sticky. You know,
it's not even like blocks of refuse. But he had
an eye for undiscovered talent, or talent that hadn't proven
to draw yet but had the potential if if positioned

(01:53:38):
correctly to draw. And here is for the first time
on this episode and this leg of the journey, Ron
stud himself on the studcast talking about what his booker,
Louis to Lette saw Terry Bullet.

Speaker 4 (01:53:51):
But you know, Louis to Let, it wasn't his first
rodeo man as a booker, and he knew how to
put a TV together too, And so besides how of
an a rock and TV, he was also man out
there locating and looking for talent and he had found
himself for very green and totally unknown Ras waiting in

(01:54:12):
the wings for his first shot. Had started Man and
he's going to be a big name. And as soon
as he took the book from my brother Rob in
early nineteen seventy nine, he began a talent search across
the country. He knew all kinds of people, all lots

(01:54:32):
of promoters, and he had been all around the world wrestling,
and so he had connections and he just asked and
just kept looking for something different, somebody that could really
pop things. So, you know, in the last couple of stuchgas,
you kind of begin to see these new wrestlers are

(01:54:54):
arriving and some of the you know, as some of
these present wrestlers and started are going to Memphis. He's
pretty good at bringing in new people. So Louis had
a great relationship with Eddie Graham and my father, and
both of those guys were stockholders in the NWA Florida territory,
and Louis himself had been the booker in that territory

(01:55:17):
on several occasions over the ten year twelve year period
of time. So he contacted Florida office man, which was,
you know, been probably my first place to call and ask,
you know. And he asked about new guys that we're training,
because they trained them there all the time, you know,

(01:55:37):
and anybody that he asked about, anybody who had been
recently trained in the old snake Pit. That's what the
building was called where they did TV there then that's
where they trained at. And basically I kind of grew
up in that snake Pit, so I was very familiar
with that building. So and he was told about one
guy in particular, Charlie Lay was the guy that said

(01:56:02):
at the very Wrestling Office, which was in that same building,
been there for many years, and he told Louis that
there's this big, huge dude that came come in here.

Speaker 3 (01:56:14):
Uh his name is.

Speaker 4 (01:56:15):
Terry Bowlea and uh and you know he said, uh,
he's really big that he says, but you know they
intended he had They intentionally discouraged him on purpose because
of some of the trainers didn't believe he had the
proper attitude. So evidently, yeah, go ahead.

Speaker 3 (01:56:36):
What what do you mean by discouraged him? What do
you mean?

Speaker 4 (01:56:43):
So, well, let's tell you hero. Matt said he'd been
training guys that that had grown up in that area,
friends of Mike Graham, that went to school with Mike.
That turned it to be great. Rather, Matt Suit had
trained Dick Slater, it's my job, range Steve Kerr. He
trained Dennis McCord, who's going to be the future Austin Idol.

(01:57:05):
That's just the name a few other guys that he
trained in a snake pitch. Well, he's the one that
is discouraged. That's called it uh uh the future hop
uh from continuing to be trained. And he did it
by breaking his leg on purpose.

Speaker 3 (01:57:24):
WHOA, WHOA are you serious about?

Speaker 5 (01:57:28):
Why?

Speaker 3 (01:57:28):
Why would he do that?

Speaker 4 (01:57:31):
Because he didn't think Terry was as committed as he
should be to learning to be a wrestler, and you know,
he felt like that he wasn't going to be a
benefit of the business and and he didn't deserve to
be in the business.

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Speaker 7 (01:59:03):
He's a lapsed fan wrestling podcast with Jack and JP Soorro.

Speaker 2 (01:59:09):
So there you go a lot of different things confirmed there.
And when he started saying, you know that Louis to
let put the call in it was old pals in
Florida and Eddie Graham and stuffed figure out who might
be good. I was like, oh, wait a minute, here,
maybe is a chance to confirm that they did see
potential in the kid and put his name out there.

Speaker 3 (01:59:25):
But no, it was Charlie Lay.

Speaker 2 (01:59:26):
Charlie Lay was the guy that Hulk name drops over
and over again when telling the story of that part
of his career, going into the snake pit and Sportatorium
and training un Hero Matsuda. Charlie Lay was the guy
that basically you know, sold tickets at the front of
the Sportatorium, and he was basically like the building manager,
if you will, the office representative in there, and he
was the guy that would kind of let Hogan in
the side doors and give Hogan a little bit of

(01:59:47):
advice and kind of tell Hogan when he was overstaying
as welcome. In certain contexts and situations, you could tell
that Hogan really thought Charlie Lay was his eyes and
ears in terms of like being close to the power
nuclear of Championship Biston from Florida. And how lucky for
him that Louis to let phone down there trying to
make an impact as a booker that it was Charlie
Lay who picked up the phone, because he is the

(02:00:09):
one that named Hal Cloak, not Jerry Brisco, not Bob
Orton or Bob Roup, not Eddie or Mike Graham, Charlie Lay,
and we're on our way and Louis Wow to let
being familiar down there. It's also very fortuitous for Terry
that you're in a situation where there's a new booker
in a territory and he's trying to make a name
for himself, and how do you make a name for

(02:00:29):
yourself draw money with a guy that wasn't already a
money draw to begin with. That's what you want to do,
but you don't want to upset that apple cart. You know,
if Terry was looking to break in at a time
when you know the booker and Gulf Coast was the
guy that had been there for ten twelve years, something
tells me to be a lot harder for him to
get this kind of opportunity, because that booker isn't looking
to completely reinvent the wheel and create a new reputation

(02:00:51):
for himself. But Louis Tillett was in exactly that position,
and so the timing was perfect. As Hogan says in
his first book, to Let was this French Canadian guy
who were in the Alabama Wrestling Territory, which covered Pensacola
and Panama City, basically that whole northern Florida Panhandle. I
was pumped, I was ready. I asked Brutus if he
wanted to come along. He didn't know a thing about wrestling,
but I promised to teach him everything I knew, and
I wouldn't torture him like I'd been torkuh So now

(02:01:13):
he does about wrestling. Now, all that training didn't happen
in Coco Beach. Apparently all right, we already had the
body in the size, and I figured wrestling would be
a lot more fun with a partner in crime along
for the ride, Which is the inverse of him of
at Leslie saying that it was actually him inquiring about
becoming a wrestler himself and Coco Beats that got Terry
interested in trying wrestling again. Here Terry is taking the initiative,

(02:01:36):
making the contacts and asking Eddie, who has no interest
apparently in coming along. He was one hundred percent in
Terry writes, and so was I. So we packed up
my customized gold Dodge van that I'd bought from Whitey,
I said goodbye to Cocoa Beach and I drove off
to Alabama. It was the start of a whole new adventure.
I'm reminded of some lyrics that Solar System member pointed

(02:02:01):
out on Patreon. Songwrite by the name of Connor Oburst,
who wrote a song Cape Canaveral, which of course is
proximate to Cocoa Beach. Right there, as we talked about
a Whitey Bridges would even set up, like you know,
cocktails and promotional events for his bar when people stood
around to watch. Tourists would come to watch the launches
from Cape Canaveral. And A Kalico is the Solar System

(02:02:22):
member's name, And he pointed out as we were chronicling
the end of the Cocoa Beach run for Terry, the
lyrics go something like this, and watch the migrants smoke
in the old orange grove and the red rocket blaze
over Cape Canaveral. You've been a father to me. Your
nineteen sixties speak give me comatose joy like rerun TV
while the mountainside was shining wild colors of my destiny.

(02:02:44):
I watched your face age backwards, changing shape and my memory.
You taught me victory sweet, even deep in the cheap seats. Hey, hey, hey, mother, Interstate,
can you deliver me from evil, make me honest, make
me wedding cake a tone? I will atone. Wait wait, wait,
mighty outer space. All that flying saucer terror made me lazy,

(02:03:08):
drinking lemonade a waste. It just went to waste, like
the free on cold out the hotel door, or the
white rocket fade over Cape Canaveral. You've been a daughter
to me. You're a buried shoe box grief. I felt
your poultergeist love like Savannah heat while the waterfall was
pouring crazy symbols of my destiny. I watched your face
die backwards, little baby, in my memory you told me

(02:03:30):
victory sweet, even deep in the cheap seats. Time to
leave Cape Canaveral behind, Boss, time to leave Cocoa Beach behind,
and time to make a run for this thiszing.

Speaker 3 (02:03:42):
Dallas ing up, brother, this thiszzing up brother.

Speaker 2 (02:03:44):
And my god, does it happen at a good time
for cultural inspiration, Because, as we've already referenced, Louis Ferrigno
had already taken incredible Hulk to a totally different level
under the tutelage of the director.

Speaker 3 (02:03:58):
What is it? Lee Johnson?

Speaker 2 (02:04:01):
Know, Ken Ken, Ken Johnson? How could I forget the
former slick or the future slick?

Speaker 3 (02:04:06):
Of course not, but.

Speaker 2 (02:04:09):
Great chronicling of all of the kind of conceptual and
creative back and forth about what the Ferigno hope would
look like. We talked about how there was even an
argument to make Hulk red instead of green. Oh my god,
I couldn't help but perk up when Ron Fuller and
that clip we just played sat hulkless green. It's like, yeah,
you better believe he fucking was.

Speaker 3 (02:04:29):
You better believe he was.

Speaker 2 (02:04:31):
And it leads to the most apocryphal of Hogan tales.
And this is something that I defy you to find
anything close to empirical proof of. But it sets us
on the course to see this initial run as not
only a huge breakthrough for Terry Bolea, but in my opinion,
to my thesis, a constant running away from being sued

(02:04:52):
by Marvel for ripping off the Hulk like this to
make a note for himself. This is from Hogan's second book,
and to hear him tell it, this is how the
worlds of loof for Rigno's Hulk and his wrestling Hulk
collide in Alabama. You know, later on, while I was
wrestling for Louis to Lay, I showed up at a
morning talk show in Mobile, Alabama to promote a wrestling event.

(02:05:13):
The other guest was a guy named lou f Forrigno,
who was staring with Bill Bixby on a TV show
called The Incredible hulk If. Rigno was travel around the
country to plug his series, which wasn't doing so well
in the ratings, which if you know, if he listened,
wasn't well in the ratings. We know it was doing
exceptional phenomenal in the ratings. It was doing exceptionally well

(02:05:35):
in the ratings all in, and when it could talk
about it seemed like to be right.

Speaker 4 (02:05:39):
It was.

Speaker 3 (02:05:39):
It was, you know, within the top fifty shows pretty
much its entire run at a time when that rually
bent something, it did mean something for forty nine and
fifty were doing huge numbers compared to today. Right, So
in between shooting schedules, they kept him on the road
working all the local markets, which also they didn't. Okay,

(02:06:02):
like I'm going to tell you this, I don't know
if I even really brought this up as much, but
if you do, so, I did do lengthy, lengthy, lengthy
searches to you know, in different you know, like I
went down I went, I tried. I went down my own,
my own rabbit hole, okay, trying to find any evidence

(02:06:25):
of this. I wanted to find something. I wanted to
see if there was any inkling that they were ever
on a talk show together. So I would just sometimes
even do just do a search for Lou Farigno and
just isolate the area, like isolate Alabama for example, and
see what you know where lufrigo and you know, it

(02:06:48):
still brings out so many different But what I did
notice was that there he was on talk shows. These
were nationally televised talk shows. These are not local talk shows.
Not once did any local newspaper ever say, hey, he's
going to be on our little fucking rinkeddink talk show. Never.

(02:07:11):
It was always big Lu Forrigno was a big star
at that point, and not just because of the hope,
but because of pumping iron like it's to even insinuate
that he was doing something like that was just complete
it's just complete blowney. Yeah, especially for him to be

(02:07:32):
on the same TV show as this local rest right right.
I find that because here's the thing. He was Hulk
for the beginning, right right, There wasn't it. There wasn't
like a period where he was in Alabama for a
while and they weren't calling the Hulk. All the evidence
we have, and the testimony we have from A. Ron Fuller,

(02:07:55):
is that he was brought in and called the Hulk
from the beginning. There was a time when he was
called Stertling, the Hulk Golden, but the Hulk was always
in play, according to ron fully and according to the
results you see everywhere. So where is this time period
for him You're going to read the rest of the story,
But where is this time period for people to get
the bright idea to call him the Hulk? After he
had already been a big enough star in Alabama to

(02:08:16):
be invited on a local talk show in the first place,
right exactly, So, in between shooting schedules, they kept him
on the road working on all the local markets. And
when I got on the show, the host looked at
for Ignot and he looked at me and he said, my,
oh my god, you're bigger than Loof for Regno, you're
bigger than the Hulk. And I said, that's because I'm
the real Hulk. Just in case Lou.

Speaker 2 (02:08:35):
Doesn't confirm that this ever happened, Hulk Scott an Ason
the hole on that one, doesn't he.

Speaker 3 (02:08:39):
Yeah, Now, I have a gift to gab and Lou
had a bit of a speech impediment at that time,
and as a result of a hearing loss.

Speaker 2 (02:08:46):
I didn't want to to run him down hearing loss.
If Lou doesn't remember someone saying that about him being
bigger than Lou.

Speaker 3 (02:08:52):
For Rigno, right, which also the the last clip that
I that I played too. I was worrying that you
were going to come up with some thing where says
he remembers the talk show. But no, and and and
they and the best and the thing is like the
the the the local Tampa news, they say, And Lou
Forigno even met and remembers the show. They say that,

(02:09:17):
But not once does Lou Figno ever mention talk show
he talks about at the scene. He says, when Hogan
came on the scene, he does not talk about a
talk show. He does not talk about anything in that regard,
which also means like, why are you saying he remembers

(02:09:37):
something when he doesn't even mention it, right, Like what
do you? What is that?

Speaker 4 (02:09:42):
That?

Speaker 3 (02:09:42):
To me is weird journalism.

Speaker 2 (02:09:44):
Yeah, well, they probably read like a Wikipedia about this
story that we're reading right now and asked him about it,
and Frigno probably just said, yeah, yeah, yeah, just.

Speaker 3 (02:09:54):
You know, kind of blee past it.

Speaker 2 (02:09:55):
Because if they had Lou Frigno on tape in that
interview confirming the day he was in the studio when
He'll Cogan got the name, they would play that clip
exactly it is somewhere lu Frigna would have said it one.
I mean, Metallico was asked about Hogan. Laila Ali was
asked about the whole Hogan, you know, getting the phone
call preventing his suicide. We played it on total NonStop Hogan.
She was like, I remember doing that. Eventually people are

(02:10:18):
going to ask the subjects of these stories about this, right,
And again, what's so weird is that they that they would,
you know, ask and he wouldn't even he didn't say it,
and they still say that he said it. And this
gets to part of my thesis of why Hulk himself
always severely underplayed this part of his career in life

(02:10:40):
is it's because it puts a date specific on how
long back prior from a prior use copyright perspective, he
was out there calling himself the Hulk. And we know
from from court filings that Marvel had a copyright on
The Incredible Hulk since May twelfth, nineteen seventy. Republications, Books,

(02:11:00):
magazine Stories, they had a copyright since nineteen sixty three
on just the word Hulk in publications, they had a
copyright since eighty three for Hulk for toys, games, and
play things, which is going to be a problem when
a certain company wants to start, yeah, marketing toys and things.
But going all the way back to even the sixties,

(02:11:20):
they have a claimer in this name, of course, like.

Speaker 3 (02:11:26):
If you have a plus the host did my job
for me. Gosh, you said your arms are so much
bigger than his and looks as if you arm wrestled
him and you break his arm. Actually, lou Forrigno was
an unbelievable, unbelievable specimen, a real dedicated bodybuilder, and his
arms were in much better shape than mine. But I
had more bulk on me, and my clothes were probably tighter,

(02:11:46):
so I looked larger. And that night when I got
to the arena and went back to the locker room,
all the boys started to call me Hulk, and they
said they saw me on television. I was bigger than
Lou Forigno, and the name just stuck, just stuck.

Speaker 2 (02:11:58):
Whenever someone says just stuck, it's always false. It's such
a bold just stick, give me a break. So I mean,
for what it's worth, Meltzer said in his obituary on Hogan,
this was totally made up, Like this is just not
not something that happened. And again, it's just you would
think if it did, we would have heard about it.
And even if it did, there's no way he wasn't

(02:12:20):
being called the Hulk before this. And if you want
proof to that degree, why don't we just turn to
the folder boss. I mean, let's start marching through some
of these materials that we have to present to the
solar system. This is March twenty second of seventy nine. Okay,
who's coming in? Why don't you read this article from
the Panama City, Florida News Herald, Sunday, March eighteenth, nineteen

(02:12:43):
seventy nine, Sunday, March very first one. You see right
there in the Alabama twenty second That's what I meant.

Speaker 3 (02:12:51):
I'm sorry. Oh okay, okay, yep. Ken Lucas Hulk on
Wrestling Bill Hulk Es yep. Some new faces, including the
Hulk six foot six inch, two hundred and ninety nine
pound wrestler, will be on next Thursday Night's card at
Bowl Air Wrestling Arena. Ken Lucas an old favorite, we'll

(02:13:14):
be back in action here. He is remembered by many
fans as one of the best grapplers ever to hit
this section. The main event will be a Death Texas
Deaf Match notice qualification between two masked men, The Rough
Gladiator and the and the Wrestling Pro. These are all
fucking great names. Wrestling Pro Ken Lucas Gladiator, the Rough

(02:13:35):
Gladiator and the Wrestling Pro who prefers to wrestle clean
falls will not count in this match, which will end
only when one of the two men is unable to continue.
A tag match between will Pit the Rough team of David,
Doctor d Schultz and pretty Boy Wayne Ferris Oh against
Lucas and Norville Austin. Yes, there will be a special

(02:14:00):
challenge match between Terry Latham brother and the Rugged Eddie Sullivan.

Speaker 2 (02:14:09):
So Wayne Ferrow, what's that way? But no talking about
who the Hulk is facing though I doubt it's just
the Hulk is going to be there and it doesn't
say Terry Boulder. So if you're going to tell me that, yeah,
he came up with the Hulk name after because he
was on this talk show and he came in as
Terry Boulder, then what this is the earliest you'll see

(02:14:29):
any reference in any database Terry Bully A wrestling in Alabama.
There's a contemporaries news clipping right here of the show,
and they call him the Hulk. Okay, it's extremely clear
what it is they're doing them. They're using this this
mark without any permission whatsoever and running away with it.
And that's going to catch up to them eventually. Not them,

(02:14:53):
that is to say, but Hulk as he tries to
continue building a multi million dollar enterprise and franchise around
this name without ever bothering to see if Marvel has.

Speaker 3 (02:15:08):
A problem with it. Yep, better believe they will.

Speaker 2 (02:15:10):
Of course, The Wrestling Pro was their masked version of
you know, mister Wrestling or whatever you want to say,
the highly technical masked babyface that most territories seem to
have a version of the grappler.

Speaker 3 (02:15:23):
With another one. Fucking funny. This is hilarious, Like, you know,
I'm having this masked. I mean, honestly, it's no different
than doink, right, you know, it's the same fucking thing,
the clown who can fucking wrestle, let's take it. It
sounds like pretty much every wrestler to the next next week,
I believe. The next clipping we have here, this is

(02:15:46):
also from the News Herald in Panama City and it's
March twentieth, seventy nine. Let me read it please? Oh yeah,
wrestling title about tonight, Norville, Austin popular the wrestling fans
in these parts will try to dislodge David Doctor D
Schultz from his Gulf Coast Heavyweight Championship belt. In one

(02:16:07):
of the main events tonight at Bowl Air Wrestling Arena,
a six man tag team will be a co feature.
It will pit Rip Tyler, Eddie Sullivan and the Masked
Gladiator against the people's choice of Ricky Fields, Terry Latham
and Roy Welch. The wrestling pro will take on the
Hulk what six six and seventy five pound Mammoth in

(02:16:29):
a challenge match.

Speaker 2 (02:16:30):
Two hundred and seventy five pound Mammoth is Advertisemoth the Hulk.

Speaker 3 (02:16:35):
That's it. The Hulk Ben Alexander will wrestle Pretty Boy Ferris,
and there will be another match beginning at eight pm.

Speaker 2 (02:16:43):
Be there, indeed, Pretty Boy Wayne Ferris of course the
future Hunky tonk Man. Yes, we'll also wrestle in this
territory as Punk Rock Wayne Ferris, which is a hilarious event.

Speaker 3 (02:16:52):
That's a very fucking funny, funny thing to think about.
Punk Rock Wayne Ferris. That's wild.

Speaker 2 (02:16:58):
As we'll talk about further, this is where hul Cogan
met David Schultz and formed a friendship that ended up
having so many different twists and turns and so many
different ramifications on hul Cogan's life and career, from working
with Schultz as a top opponent in the AWA to
Schultz being the one that was out there in front

(02:17:19):
of the media cameras when Hulk was denying steroid use
in ourcineo hall, going on shows like Inside Edition and
phone and radio shows, talking to pretty much seemed like
anyone who would listen as he was working on a book,
and things about how Hulk would shoot up steroids when
they were friends. Guess where in this territory the Gulf
Coast or in fact, for a time Hulk Cogan even
lived with David Schultz and in exchange for what you'd ask, well,

(02:17:45):
not exactly rent money. Yes, according to David Schultz. As
we'll get to, so you're trying to see this is
the first time ever that newspaper readers would start to
hear about the Hulk and think about Terry Bolea is massive.
This is South Eastern Championship wrestling. That's pretty much the

(02:18:05):
the go to market name of the territory. And so
while we've got to quin ourselves, we've got to do this.
It's got to be done. Even though very limited footage exists.
Here's what it would have sounded like when folks PLoP
down in front of their TV and mobile or Montgomery
or I don't know, how about a little uh dothan
oh yet to take it in.

Speaker 6 (02:18:24):
South Eastern Championship rustlay handle waders and television wrestling with let's.

Speaker 4 (02:18:30):
Grant Instant and other technical persons.

Speaker 6 (02:18:34):
In the program, A number one by the Wrestling Whitiers
Federation Join us Now, or a fast faced competition the
Professional Wrestling Patraul topspuires from the world's largest governing body,
the National Wrestling Alliance.

Speaker 2 (02:18:48):
So that's fucking amazing nowhere in the seventies, I mean.

Speaker 3 (02:18:51):
A South Eastern Championship Rusty just.

Speaker 2 (02:18:55):
That, you know, join us who is just some guy,
like some pro voiceover guy. He doesn't have to sound
like people in the market do. It's about polish, it's
about sounding like big time TV even in a small
time market. And yeah, it's brilliant, and yeah they had
a lot of from what I was gathering and listening,
it sounds like they had a lot of those world
class streaks of like you know, doing some innovative things

(02:19:16):
around producing like split screen. There are a couple of
things that they would do in the Southeastern TV shows that,
at least to hear Ron Fuller tell it, were innovations
and televised wrestling, and we'll get into more of those
as we go. So March twenty second, nineteen seventy nine,
Panama City, and you saw the clippings there that speak
to it. It's pretty much considered Hulk Cogan's first match
back in the wrestling business after the short lived Florida

(02:19:40):
run that we've talked about. It was against Ben Alexander
win or unknown. But Ron Fuller now is going to
be in control of this guy's career. And fortunately for Hulk,
Ron has a history with Andre the Giant as well.
They had teamed together in the past. Andre had gone
to work for offices operated by him and his brother
and his father in touring the country and Andre had

(02:20:03):
a respect from Ron Fuller and this would definitely help
when it comes to matching up this young kid Terry
Bolea with an opponent that would, by God define his
whole cash cow. I mean, yeah right, his whole fucking
rezon Deetra was to work against Andre the Giant and
the fact that Andre the Giant saw in this massive

(02:20:24):
hulk a guy that actually could present a physical, credible
threat to him in the eyes of the wrestling fan,
which is very important because Andrea almost always worked as
a baby face, and when you're a babyface, you are
always looking out for heels. They can get heat on
you even though you're that size. And so another great
serendipity in terms of when he decided to lean back
into pro wrestling is it was at the time not

(02:20:46):
only that Louis Tilllette was taking the book and things
were changing over there, but also that Andre was interested
in helping out a territory that was really small compared
to some of the other buildings he would work because
of his relationship with Ron Fuller and his interest in
working with someone of that size, and Louis to let
knowing Andre well enough to frame it that way in
terms of why eventually he might want to come down

(02:21:06):
here at Alabama and I give this Terry Buley a whirl,
but to get a little bit more on Ron Fuller
and how he came across in the territory. We're going
to convey a little bit of a tape here. This
is Ron Fuller in studio with the voice of Southeastern Wrestling.
His name was Charlie Platt. You can think of him
as as the Gordon Soley or the Caddle of the Territory,

(02:21:27):
the the trod Guard, or even the gene Oakerland. He's
the guy at the studio desk monitoring affairs, and here
he is talking to Ron Fuller in characters the Tennessee stud.

Speaker 9 (02:21:41):
Oh, there's a mask in his hand, and quite frankly,
I'm sure that the audience in many fans would like
to know why you're appearing today as Ron Fuller.

Speaker 10 (02:21:51):
Well, Charlie, i'd like to Let's let's start off with that.
I was in the came back into the Southeastern area
after losing the Loser League Town. I wore the mask
until my time had expired. I can legally wrestle in
the Southeastern areas Ron Fuller from this point on, however,
I'm not going to wrestle as Ron Fuller. I'm going
to continue to wrestle as a Tennessee stud I've got

(02:22:12):
my reasons for that, and I'm not going into that
right now.

Speaker 3 (02:22:15):
I will say this.

Speaker 10 (02:22:16):
Though, that I've worn the mask several times in my career.
I've never had anyone take this mask off my faith.
If anyone does take this mask off in any place
in the Southeastern area at any time whatsoever, for any reason,
if they're able to remove this mask from my face
and the match, I will leave the Southeastern area immediately.

(02:22:36):
And that's my word on that. Now. Secondly, let's go
into something that's more important to me than wearing the
mask right now. My brother's in the hospital. He's not
gonna be wrestling for a while. He's had a concussion.
Not only that, he has a neck injury. He's in
bad shape. And it's because of two gentlemen, and that's
Arnt Anderson and Jerry Stubbs, and you could say Sonny

(02:22:58):
King too, because the three men, and I've had calls
for everybody all over the country. I've chosen myself a
special partner for an upcoming match, and I'm very happy
with the partner I have.

Speaker 9 (02:23:08):
Charlie, we're talking about the eighth Wonder of the World,
Andre the John A handicap matchup coming in the arena
this week today.

Speaker 2 (02:23:14):
There you go, so Ron with Andre and yes that
is that Arn Anderson. He in fact broke in. His
first territory in the business was Gulf Coast down in Alabama,
trained under a wrestler they had there by the name of,
I believe Terry Allen, but not magnantier Terry Allen. Another
one interesting yep. So he came up through that circuit
as well, and it was a great place to learn
because it wasn't beamed out across its own borders. You know,

(02:23:38):
It's like Portland in that regard. You know, you could
find yourself, you could make some mistakes, you could just
get the reps in to be successful in the bigger territories.
They had the studio format, you can practice promos with
the studio audience. They had the turnaround from the studio
television show to draw people into the building that night.
Just like you know, whenever we go back and look
at territories, we're always so amazed. Like you know, you

(02:24:00):
watch TBS and then you go to the Omni that night,
you know, and what happened on TBS is a last
ditch effort to get you to buy a ticket to
just run out of the house and get there.

Speaker 3 (02:24:08):
It's fucking great. That's how it was.

Speaker 2 (02:24:11):
Guys like Bullet Barb Armstrong and his family of course
Road Dog's dad, they're all over this area as well
and are central to the wrestling identity of the region.
You heard him name drop arn Anderson and under the
Giant here's and you could tell too, he's very much
Ron Fuller in that gimmick there, in that voice. He's
very much like the straight laced Jack Brisco style seventies babyface,

(02:24:33):
ernest to light. He's not screaming and hollering and pointed
at the at the camera. You know, he's everything that
Dusty was able to stand out in such great contrast to,
you know, as a baby face. And then Billy graanmt's
case is a heel. And the reason those guys stood
out of such wild, colorful characters is most people sounded,
including the top guys, like Ron Fuller did in that
promo right there. That's kind of sit down, hyper serious

(02:24:55):
sportsmanlike sound. But he's out for revenge. And this is
what it would have sounded like hearing the plugging of
the live shows off the TV down in Gulf Coast.
As I mentioned at the time, this is of course
before hul Cogan's arrival there Terry Bullay's arrival, but it
features a series of names you might recognize as we
continue to acquaint ourselves with the sights and sounds of

(02:25:17):
the territory that Terry first broke out.

Speaker 11 (02:25:19):
In the excitement of Southeastern Championship Workling comes to Boving MLM.
It's felt World Evaluatoriam Monday Night, April the twenty third,
and a PM Tommy Gilbert meet Tlip Johnson, just tigned
by Southeastern Riffling. Tony Cooks versus Rick McGrath then to
Tony Reck Battleship runners on non title mets because of
today's way in incident Canadian death Match in effect, Shah
Rujoe take Tom Vick Green for the Southeastern Heavyweight Championship.
Timmy Golden defends Agains Boris sirkof the just because of

(02:25:41):
the incident Justine on TV. That's the main event Southeastern
tig teen titles is the Tennessee Son and Bob Armstrong
meet Terry Subbs and Arn Anderson Monday Night at Daltwell Auditorium.

Speaker 2 (02:25:51):
A lot of names you recognized in there. Jock Awkwrus show,
Jimmy Golden was in fact the future Bunk house Buck,
a cousin cousin of the Fullers slash well right, well,
he's in the mix as well. I do think that
the Sterling Golden name was kind of a almost like
how Billy Graham was like loosely affiliated with Luke Graham
and doctor Jerry Graham. He's kind of introduced as like

(02:26:14):
a distant relative of the Grahams or something, and it
kind of fell off as the time went. I think
Sterling Golden was supposed to be associated with Jimmy Golden
and family. I think wasn't just because he had yellow hair,
but that if those representations were made to the fans,
they melted away very very quickly. Interesting that wasn't part
of the presentation for very long. But here on his podcast,

(02:26:35):
Ron Fuller talks in a bit greater detail about what
it was that made this Terry Boley special in his eyes.

Speaker 4 (02:26:42):
Well, Terry Bollia in the future Hulk Hogan. You know,
he had a unique body. Obviously, he had muscles on
top of muscles man, and he had an nate, very
rare charisma about him that you know, you just can't
teach that to somebody. You know, he either got it
a you don't. And he had this mooming voice and

(02:27:04):
had an attitude that was perfect for a heel or
a babyface. Once you got him over as an attorneyan babyface, Wow,
it works there too. So something about him was special
of the fans from the first time they saw him. Man,
and he is going to go on to become maybe
the most recognizable professional wrestler in the history of the sport. Undoubtedly.

(02:27:26):
I don't believe there's anybody that'd argue with that.

Speaker 2 (02:27:29):
There you go, and we'll get to it. He'll eventually
acknowledge that lu Frigno ripping off Luffrigno was the motivation
for the name. But there's what he's seeing in the
Terry Boleya.

Speaker 8 (02:27:39):
Now.

Speaker 2 (02:27:40):
Rod Fuller had been the owner of the territory for
only four years when Terry Bullya came in, and he
bought it at only thirty one years of age, So
that was very young for a guy to be running
a territory at a time when that was a it
was kind of like a cushy thing with the NWA
overlay keeping competitors out. But my God, is being that
young and having all the money in the controllery make

(02:28:02):
other people want to challenge you and make other people
want to make it seem like you don't know what
they're doing so they can try to move in and
take over your territory. And Ron Fuller would not only
feel that pressure, he would feel it in nineteen seventy
nine at the precise time that Terry Boleya is starting
to show incredible returns at the box office, and Ron
Fuller's attention is anywhere, but he really can't even afford
to focus on it because people are coming for the throne.

(02:28:23):
They're coming for his territory. They're running oppositioned him in Knoxville,
and that's where all of his attention will go. And
a lot of those people that are doing that to
Ron Fuller are people that were in and around the
Florida territory when Terry Bulla first broke in down there.
A lot of them are wrestlers who would come into
the Imperial Room when Terry was up there with the
bass guitar. So it's a small world, indeed, and I

(02:28:43):
believe loyalties will be tested in that regard. But it's
important to know that about Ron Fuller. The TV show
would hit Doth in his mentioned Montgomery, it would hit Mobile,
eventually would hit Birmingham, Alabama.

Speaker 3 (02:28:54):
That would be not for a while though.

Speaker 2 (02:28:56):
It would emanate out of a small studio of a
television station called w tv Y and Doth in Alabama,
south eastern Gulf Coast. Unbelievable. So we're gonna go to
the book here Terry Bolea writing about this time and
hitting the road. This is going to be kind of
a compendium of things he said in both of his books.
To get us acquainted, brute Is and I looked a

(02:29:18):
lot alike after our year in Cocoa Beach. We both
had blonde hair, we both had mustaches, we both we
were both juiced up musclemen. So we started wrestling as
the Boulder Brothers, you know, Terry Boulder and Ed Boulder,
and a lot of people assumed we were really brothers,
and we were certainly as close as brothers. Traveling around
the Alabama territory was fun at first, you know, we

(02:29:39):
get to the arenas early and I'll take Brutus into
the ring to teach him the ropes. So we taught
him on the fucking road.

Speaker 3 (02:29:44):
Yeah, here we go again. Right, did did he fucking
smarten him up before?

Speaker 8 (02:29:49):
Or what?

Speaker 3 (02:29:50):
When did he smart him up?

Speaker 4 (02:29:51):
Is?

Speaker 3 (02:29:51):
And I know where?

Speaker 7 (02:29:52):
What? When?

Speaker 2 (02:29:53):
How am I the only person that cares about when? Like,
isn't that a huge fucking question? Why can isn't it?
Isn't it the question?

Speaker 3 (02:30:01):
I would think so honestly, Like it should be the
least one of using one When exactly when? Is the
most important anything, frustrating, any difficult question answers? It regards
the clowns, any anything when it comes to these fucking clowns.
When is always the problem unless it's on film and
like timestamped, like no one can agree on even men,

(02:30:23):
No one fucking knows. Even then they fucking lie, grab
three or four of the other wrestlers and would show
him how to work a match, how to fall without
killing yourself. I don't make it look like you were
wrenching a guy's arm without actually snapping his wrists or
breaking his elbow. That's actually not that hard, you know that,

(02:30:46):
that's actually one of the easier ones. You know, you
just you don't even hold onto his fucking wrist, like
there's nothing there, Uh Louis to lay locked us and
put us out there seven days a week. But we
were hardly making any money, only take home twenty five
or thirty dollars a night. So rather than waste our
dough on hotels, the two of us just slept in
my van. It was carpeted and had a loft bed

(02:31:10):
where I could where I would sleep, had a fucking
kitchen it brother you know, had a gas stove. Yeah right,
Brutus had full plumbing. Brother at two you know it
is a two bath. There's a three bedroom, two bath van. Brother,
that's a huge van. And then lived in a van.
I mean, think about Hogan and Eddie Boulder. How the

(02:31:33):
fuck they fit? I know, all juice, these gargantuan men,
A couple of Tampa boys, bacon in the fucking mobile,
Alabama son living in a van, work in the territory.
I picture them like, you know, can you imagine on
the side of the van. They've got like beach chairs,
and they got those you know, they get those uh

(02:31:55):
the way like a trig like a or a big
green egg. Yeah, and they got those those those uh
what do you call like like foil like things, you know,
they get the reflector them for their tamming. Yeah, they're
sitting out there leaning back. Oh my god, I would

(02:32:15):
have you know. That happened every fucking day. The two
was just sleep in the van that was carbon and
Moa Bruce was settled on the end on the floor.
Is how do you have a loft bed in a
fucking van? Can you can someone?

Speaker 2 (02:32:29):
I don't know if I call it loft And I've
seen bunk bed style inside a like an r V trailer,
but not a.

Speaker 3 (02:32:36):
Van, right right, Like if you're talking about a van,
like I'm trying to think carpeting, how do you fit
like to me? To have a bed even have to
have a a a single bed, you know, like a
dorm sized, normal sized person for a normal sized person,
that's gonna take up the whole fucking van, the big

(02:32:58):
the whole back of the van, A big van, like
a human trafficking van. I mean, I guess, but Jesus Christ,
I mean, what does he fucking got a U haul
or something? Maybe that's what it is. You know, it's
perfectly comfortable for a while. Now. Pensacola Beach was central
to just about all the venues we hit, so We
parked the van right there most knights and basically made
that parking lot our home. You know, there were public restrooms,

(02:33:21):
so we had to place to shower, ship ship the
place to ship right, oh, total place shower, ship and
shave in the mornings. There was a great little all
you can eat restaurant nearby too. Man, they were scared
when they saw me and walking out about food. By
the way, he was basically that guy in bigger, faster

(02:33:44):
strunger who lives in the fucking Venice Golds Gym parking lot. Yeah, right, exactly.
I mean listen, they were they these people were as
scared of Hulk Hogan and Brutus beef Cake as the
as the the Boulder Colorado Taco bell is scared of
fucking Vader. Yes, all right, you know, I don't know
if they probably don't throw people like Vader would do,

(02:34:07):
but still it would be necessary. It's like they know,
they know that they're gonna make that they're not gonna
they're gonna have a bad, a bad day. It's an
all you can eat restaurant, and these two guys coming
in the morning. They're shutting down at nine am, solutely
and they're not making a fucking dime that day, and
think of how big those guys were, Like, there's no

(02:34:28):
way you think you can feed these guys till they're falling.
You have to Yeah, here, he says, right here, we
eat breakfast, lunch, and dinner in one sitting. We'd clean
the place out right exactly so like these people would
make no money, they'd basically be serving two meals, you know,
they they you know, all you can eat. That's dangerous
with these fucking clowns, very dangerous, very dangerous. Don't even

(02:34:51):
exists anymore, like the old country buffet set up a No,
I haven't seen it all you can eat place in
a long time. No, definitely, definitely, I have not seen
one post COVID for sure. You know, I imagine a
lot of I imagine a lot of those places closed
down during COVID. Absolutely. There are a couple of the
wrestlers who were living out of their van on that

(02:35:11):
beach too. These Simoan guys name often Sika, who became
known as the Wild Simans years later when we were
all on TV. They pretended to be these wild brothers
who were pulled right out of a jungle somewhere to
wrestle and who couldn't speak English at all. Actually they
spoke English just fine. I mean, right, that's just fine.

(02:35:31):
I mean I don't know, they smoke it completely clearly
and fluently. Yeah, apparently, you know. And we all became friends,
you know, just parking our vans by the sand. It
was a perfect place for Brutus and me to work
on our tans. I remember that feeling of walking out
on that sand in the morning, looking on the ocean,

(02:35:52):
you know, feeling the wind. Not a bad way to live,
between wrestling seven days a week, tanning all the time,
and continuing the steroids off perfect to that bronze god
a look, oh my god, big super tan guy on
a beach in Alabama. The golden that golden fucking color.
All right, just that may just imagine, Like I I

(02:36:13):
want to know, I really want to understand the mentality
of like needing to tan, right, like needing to tan.
I don't get it. I mean, yes, you know, like
you go on vacation. It's like, yes, you know, I
want to get I want I want to I want
to come back looking like I went on vacation. I

(02:36:34):
get it, But like I don't understand this need to
always be golden tan. And where that comes from.

Speaker 2 (02:36:42):
I think it comes from like the original Hollywood stars
being all bronzed because they were in the sun all
the time, and people associated Hollywood good looks with sun tans.

Speaker 3 (02:36:55):
I guess, I guess it's so funny. It works, and
people guess people, I guess it's funny that that people
people were so obsessed with having a darker shade of skin.
Yet there's so much racism.

Speaker 2 (02:37:08):
Well well, especially after so many centuries of that being
a mark of being a peasant essentially right enough money
to stay out of the sun, you know.

Speaker 3 (02:37:16):
Right in the fields. You know, it's like it's just
so fucking funny, like it's so bizarre to me, Like,
but oh, it's all California.

Speaker 2 (02:37:26):
It's all going to be tanned out there, and that's
where all the bodybuilders were and so they were tan
as well. And it works, it has, especially if you're working.

Speaker 3 (02:37:36):
If you are working, you know, muscle Beach, I totally
get that, because I mean, you're that's an outdoor gym.
You know, that is an outdoor gym, and that's where
everyone is at. Sure, I get that.

Speaker 2 (02:37:45):
I remember Arn Anderson once said it always stuck with me.
He's like, you know, fat looks better tann And it's true,
like he was always a guy that was never cut,
but when he was tan, he didn't look out of shape.
But if he was pale, he looked like a fat motherfucker. Yeah,
I look out of shape either way. That doesn't say
it works for everybody, but I mean it's absolutely true

(02:38:06):
that like you look more uh easier on the eye
when when you're tan. Yeah, we've seen John Dina go
like like pasty white, and it's it's alarming. It's a
difficult watch. Yeah, but I also don't consider him to
be like crazy tan either. You know that's the thing
about John Cena, Like, I don't think he was ever
crazy fucking tan. Yeah, he's very few went to the

(02:38:27):
degree Hulk did. I mean, very few could if they
wanted to. I love when he says in his book
it's because I'm half Pandamanian. It's like your mother was
not from Panama. She lived there, Panama Canal Project. She
fu you can't you can't clean, you can't clean Panamanian.

Speaker 3 (02:38:42):
The fact that he.

Speaker 2 (02:38:43):
Said that so fucking ridiculous. It's like it's so your
dad's Italian blood, Like, why is it right? Why are
you trying to run away from that? I don't get
it right. Well, what Vince told me to do, I
see to to be irish brother. Yeah right, it'srobably true.
He didn't want to be too much like Bruno. Didn't
surprise me. If that was part of the calculus, that's
probably true too. Yeah, that's a good point that they

(02:39:06):
looked gave me just a little something extra in the
wrestling ring. You know, technically I wasn't the best wrestler.
I wasn't quick, wasn't athletic. I understand, Yes, you are athletic, right,
I mean that's you have to be. Like even even
the most grotesque fat guys in the business are fucking athletic.
You know, you can't fuck hit the ropes up the

(02:39:26):
athletic sports like the sports you didn't play. I know,
I know, seems fucking weird, these weird lies. They fucking
tell when I couldn't jump off the top ropes, which
I've seen him do, I know?

Speaker 3 (02:39:43):
Right. Yeah. On the other hand, I wasn't in an
old fashioned, thick headed fat wrestler either. I was right
in between. And the more I wrestled, the more I
developed my own style. In fact, it was right during
the time that this time I s heard of using
the leg drop to finish off my opponents. The crowds
went nuts for it. I don't understand this is a
late drop. I guess was it a big deal? I mean,
just can't. It's a funny move for.

Speaker 2 (02:40:06):
Right, Well, that's bullshit too, because his first finisher was
the bear hug Well on the late drop we did.
We did surmise on one of our last episodes that
maybe because apparently Wolfman Smith, the guy he replaced in
his first match, used the leg drop, that Terry just

(02:40:26):
adopted it.

Speaker 3 (02:40:28):
But I don't think so. And this is from Hogan
Book one. I got to be real good friends with
him because Edda, Lelie and I would sleep in my
van on the beach in pat penc to Cola owing
something in a van in a van there too. We're
all sleeping on the beach because we didn't have the
money to pay for a hotel room. We'd get up
in the morning and use a public shower as a

(02:40:49):
shower and shave not shit apparently, and hang out on
the beach until three or four o'clock. Then we would
drive the New Brunswick or Mobile or Montgomery or wherever
we were wrestling that Matt Night, small territory, just a
couple one hundred miles each way, so I didn't take
so it didn't take more than a few hours to
get to the venue. Did you imagine going to the

(02:41:12):
building seeing this guy under the lights, looking like a superstar,
looking like a fucking god among men, and he's living
in a van on the beach. He has no apartment,
he has no home. I mean, that's you know, to
imagine any of these guys who you're paying money to see.
Whenever you pay money to see somebody, it's really weird

(02:41:33):
to me. To me, it's always a weird, even even
when you consider, honestly, when you consider any job, any
job that requires you to pay to see somebody, it
is a wild thing to consider that they don't have

(02:41:56):
but they don't make enough money doing that to really
live a life. I mean, even going to regional theater shows,
it's like you're paying to see these actors perform for
the circus, but most of them are not living. Oh god,
they don't even fucking I mean, that's even a whole
other fucking shit show. I mean, Jesus Christ, the circus
is a scary fucking thing, folks. I you know, we

(02:42:18):
went I went to I went to a circus show. Recently,
like within the last couple of years. We took we
took my kid and some friends to go to the
circus in uh, like where was it? The Big Apple
Circus is a big Apple circus still going around. I
think it was a Big Apple Circus because they were
at Lincoln Center, all right, And I don't know if

(02:42:39):
you've been to the circus, Like, yeah, it's like it's
amazing and what they've done to the show. They've made
it this thing, but it's also like still sad and pathetic.
Yess correct, because like they're now they're now kind of
glamorizing this completely pathetic. I mean, wrestlers are not to

(02:43:05):
there's a reason that Wringling Brothers is the comp right right, No, listen,
it's like because like, but but you're you're and as
a part of me that totally understands. I mean, look,
these people have found a family and they found the
people that they can you know, they can they can succeed,
So God bless them for that good. Good for you.
I'm not, but like it's also still like this, this

(02:43:26):
this like this is your hope and dream is being
in the circus, and it's like, okay, like I don't know,
they're they're they're it's mean, it's mean to say this,
but it is. There's just a sadness to it. When
you kind of look at the people who are doing this,
it's like, Okay, I mean, this is the best you
can do. So as you consider some of the risks.

(02:43:49):
I know, and I think about it, I mean, I
want to know where they're living. I want to see
what they're foud away to see it, all right. I
want to see because I know circus is a is
a non union job. There is no protection whatsoever. See you,
I'm like, no way, man, As far as I know
it's an on union job. I can't imagine that this
fucking circus is a union job. I think setting it

(02:44:11):
up is probably an union job. But performing I imagine, yes,
I imagine the people who are who are building that.
You have to have union guys building up all your
fucking sets and your tents and whatever. But to actually
fucking do it, I don't. I can't imagine that being
a union job. I can't imagine a union wanted to
cover that ship A good look at health insurance too, exactly,
I walk on, yeah, exactly, you know, and I mean,

(02:44:36):
you know it's a you know you you look at
you look at an actor on in regional production of
a show. You know, there they come from out of town.
Oh we got New York actors going to go to Alabama.
It's like, oh my god, look at this like the
works it does. But then you look at the fact
that you're not making enough money to fucking live off

(02:44:56):
of that. Even if you were making if you were
making like they couldn't, you wouldn't. You wouldn't get it.
They wouldn't they wouldn't be hiring people. They couldn't afford
to pay people what they what it's it's awful, That's
how right. That's exactly what I'm talking about. That's what
That's what it is like. You know, these people going

(02:45:17):
to these matches and they're seeing it. And again I
think it has to do with I'm paying to see you, right,
I'm giving you my money, so you must be living
a great lifestyle. And granted Hogan saying he was it
was very it was very free. It was a choice
of van. Right, he didn't have a choice living out

(02:45:38):
of his van with a fucking roommate. Nonetheless in his
fucking vant to him right exactly, like like, come on,
it's it's just like, I don't know, it's a it's
a very it's such a such a fascinating it's more

(02:46:00):
of the facade, it is exactly. That's part of the
hustle is making it seem like these people are larger
than life, and in factually they're barely living their life
and they're actually making less than the people who think
they're making a millionaires. It the people buying the tickets
are more likely making more money. That's why they need you.

Speaker 2 (02:46:22):
If they're making more than you, they wouldn't have to
beg you to come to the arena and cut promos
like act like their life is on the line every
single week. That's it's amazing. And you know one thing
I didn't appreciate either, is how far back he went
with the Samoans. That's actually huge when you think about
future you know, lineage in future generations of the family.

(02:46:43):
And look why he probably didn't hesitate to say, fine,
I'll put yoko over them out of here. I'm not
putting bread over I'll put yoko over the ties that
bind are all starting to set in right here. Honky
tonk Kayne Ferris follows him to WWF. Doctor d David
Schultz gets some a job in WWF from the beginning
awa as well, it gets Beefcake a job, follows him
right in the door. There's a couple of other guys

(02:47:04):
that are going to come through the territory that he
looks out for. Randy Coley is one of them, future Moondog,
who he worked with and who actually testified in the
steroid trial, and who even as according to Meltzer told
her of much Nick that Hulk was his fucking hook
up for whatever he needed when he was in the
Gulf Coast area. It's not just David Schling this and

(02:47:25):
many others. So Hulk's starting to build these relationships too.
In Pensacola, of course, being the heart of this territory,
or at the heart, but a key stop in this territory.
Roman Reigns is from Pensacola, and that's because the whole
family coalesced around this territory and the very very beginning
stages of their wrestling careers often SICCA and so there's
a lot to be said about that. And the fact

(02:47:45):
that they were not just working in the same territory
but kind of like I guess, roommates, just not they
didn't live in an actual building, they didn't live in
an actual enclosure says a lot too. And Beefcake's gonna
have some great color also about life in the van
with the Samoans. But are you done with your your
snippet I was trying to follow, Yeah, here, yes, all right,
here's Beefcake. Pensacola was perfect for us. We pretty much

(02:48:08):
were brand new working in the territory. With many shows
only a few hundred miles away from each other. It
was a great way to break in because you had
at least a little time before shows to breathe. Pensacola
was very unlike Bill Wats's Mid South territory, where you
were constantly on the run, having to drive all day
and night to get to the next town. The first
show we did with the promotion was Panama City. We
were there on a Thursday night, walking in all excited
to be finally showing off our new personas some of

(02:48:30):
the wrestlers you may have heard of in this territory
were the Monkey tonk Man, David Schultz, Don Fargo in
the Wild Samoans. In my very first match, I didn't
team with Terry just yet. They put Terry out in
a single spout and they had me tag with a
guy named Ron Slinker, an ex police officer turned wrestler,
real nice guy. We worked against the tagson combination of
Eric the Red an Ox Baker. Wow, another guy he's

(02:48:50):
going to very much come into contact with in this
territory indeed. And so it's important to note that while
Hogan and Ed arrived together, well, Terry and Ed arrived
together in Gulf Coast, they weren't aligned as Bolder brothers yet,
and they weren't even wrestling with each other. In fact,
if you look at any match listing of Ed Boulder's history,

(02:49:11):
he didn't even wrestle in nineteen seventy nine in a
Golf Coast. He didn't show him at all wrestling there
until nineteen eighty, after Terry had already moved to New York.
So it's very confusing to me why these matches seem
to happen at the same time Before Memphis in Gulf Coast,
yet there's no evidence of Hulk and had being on
the same car.

Speaker 3 (02:49:29):
I know it's so. I mean, I again, only in
my limited looking through stuff, try to find that fucking Brigno.
You know that take show, that yeah, that talk show.
It's like, you know, all the there's nothing. There's not
a mention of Ed Boulder or any other name for

(02:49:49):
Brutus Beefcake. I haven't thought he was Eddie Sullivan for
a second, but he was. That was another guy.

Speaker 2 (02:49:54):
But I think what it pretty much was was while
Ed Leslie was on the road with Terry in this territory,
he wasn't working hardly as much. He was basically learning
by hanging around. And while he did seem to be
getting some matches, for whatever reason, they weren't on cards
that went down in the history books that people actually
recorded the results of. Because I do believe all this
stuff about them living in the van together and stuff.

(02:50:15):
But if you look at his like wrestling data list
of matches, he doesn't start wrestling in this territory until
nineteen eighty. It's not like there's no mention of him
wrestling in the territory. There's plenty of stuff on him
working here, it just doesn't start till after Terry leaves.
You do see him working with Terry in Memphis coincident
with the Gulf Coast run. At the same time they're
going back and forth at certain junctures, but nothing really

(02:50:37):
like this match doesn't exist in any record. You'll see
ed Leslie against Eric the Redknox Baker. So it's kind
of frustrating, but I guess we're just going to have
to believe that ed Leslie's in the ring and nobody
recorded a single moment of him. The next night, he writes,
we finally debuted as our tag team. See that's huge
to me. How is Terry Boley's record missing the first

(02:50:58):
time he teamed with ed Leslie if it wasn't due
in Alabama?

Speaker 3 (02:51:01):
Not mentally right. I think there's a chance that D's
even misremembering this. I would imagine so, or choosing to
choosing to misremember it.

Speaker 2 (02:51:12):
At Alabama, we wrestled as Terry and Ed Boulder known
as the Boulder Brothers. I remember coming to the ring,
the people ate it up. We had a bunch of
choreographed double team moves in really good chemistry, very few
people actually knew our real names outside the promoters we
worked for. These early matches working as the Boulders were
so memorable to diehard fans that a rumor started later
on that hul Coch and British beak Kick were actually brothers.
Speaking of actual brothers, we got to be really good
friends with the Samoans Offa and Cicco. They were not

(02:51:34):
the crazy monsters like they were depicted on TV. They
were two big teddy bears. They were in the same
boat as we were new and broke. None of us
had any money, but titty bears. Titty bears. Yeah, well
titty Bear before the surgery. Rock was too That's true.
We couldn't afford motel rooms like the other guys.

Speaker 3 (02:51:50):
We didn't need one.

Speaker 2 (02:51:51):
We had the no tel motel on wheels with us
everywhere we went. Every night, Terry and I would sleep
in his finally airbrushed van on the beach in Pensacola,
and the Mowen slept in their vans too, right next
to us. In the beginning, it was just survival mode.
It kind of reminded me of going on those long
vacation trips with my family as a kid. Every morning
we would get up. One of us would maybe pound
in the side of the samo and mobile.

Speaker 3 (02:52:12):
Imagine, Wow, we'll see if off is up. Brother? Who's up?
Off of secret? Brother? I don't know, he said, rubbing
his eyes looking at the van. I don't see him. Uh,
who's making? Who's making breakfast? Brother? Who something other? Cooking? Dude?
Who is off of making? Oblin? Smells like it? All right?
Give me so much open air cooking going on? Oh

(02:52:34):
you know, oh my god. You know he's got like
a fucking you know, portable uh, charcoal grill. He's laying
down steaks. Brother, you know, Oh, yes he is. You know,
he fucking is. Boy. You give me steak, dude, Wow,
go off, give me steak. Amazing, Go go ahead, go go, go, go, go,
go go.

Speaker 2 (02:52:53):
Seeing these guys and it's the future. Hold Hogan out
there on the beach. Yeah, they were stinking, you know,
like they would shower, but come on, man, the sweat was,
oh just awful.

Speaker 3 (02:53:05):
Could not avoid it.

Speaker 2 (02:53:06):
They were sleeping in the van overnight on the beach
in Pensacola, for God's sakes.

Speaker 3 (02:53:09):
Yep, yep.

Speaker 2 (02:53:10):
They would roll out the van and we would all
go find something cheap to eat at a diner. After that,
we would grab our towels and head down to the
public beach showers to clean up. After the showers, we
would do whatever we wanted for a bit, and then
we would leave together to drive to the towns. Since
I was still pretty green, I like to go to
the shows a little early to get some practice in.
Some of the guys would take me in the ring
and give me some training. The show would go down,
and could practice some of what I had learned live
in front of a real audience to perfect my craft.

(02:53:31):
After the matches, we would drive back to Pensacola if
it wasn't too far and we wouldn't stay at Pensacola Beach,
we would try to park outside a nearby wrestler's house
after shows. Oh my god, imagine that one who lived
in the area. One parking spot was outside David Schultz's apartment. Yes,
he was cool. He let us come in whenever we
wanted in case we had to poop. Hmmm, even let

(02:53:52):
us use it. It comes back to food or poop
apparently every time. Even let us use his shower in
a while if we were in a hurry when there
was no local wrestler in the area. We would leave
the arena and then just sleep in our vans in
a random parking lot somewhere. Hulk Hogan, Okay, wowing the dream. Yeah, well,
David Schltz has a lot of memories of this particular pot.

Speaker 1 (02:54:16):
Oh.

Speaker 3 (02:54:16):
I'm sure.

Speaker 2 (02:54:16):
As he was Southeastern efyweight champ, he was a pushed heel.
He was like the top heel really in the territory
when Terry Bullay at first showed up. And it wasn't
it wasn't just out of the kindness of his heart
that he was welcoming the boulders into his apartment here
in Pensacola. Here he is on the infamous Inside Edition
interview explaining exactly what the quid pro quote was.

Speaker 4 (02:54:37):
Let him sleep in the house.

Speaker 3 (02:54:39):
I gave him food, and in returns he gave me steroids.
He showed me how to use steroids. Yes he did, Yes,
he did. Hey show me how to do steroids. Now
let me tell me how to do need a lot
of my butt? Would you admit her form? Because he's
so big, he can't even know he's so swore. Oh well,

(02:55:00):
sometimes it's sometimes I got to help him out to
stick a meat on his ass. Sometimes have you nailed
the boss? Here he is talking to Hannibal when he's
a meeting Koge back when he was sterling Golden.

Speaker 5 (02:55:09):
Well, he come into Panama City Beach and we've worked
from Ronford. He come in there, and uh, he was green.
He's a big guy, big, a huge guy.

Speaker 4 (02:55:20):
But I knew nothing.

Speaker 5 (02:55:22):
And we become friends. And you know, I started working
out with him because I never was a person to
work out, and uh.

Speaker 4 (02:55:32):
I'd give him me a shot, just steroid shots because.

Speaker 5 (02:55:34):
He couldn't reach around to take him, you know.

Speaker 3 (02:55:36):
And all that's right.

Speaker 5 (02:55:37):
I told him, I said, boys, these things are gonna
kill you. You're taking more in a race horse. And yeah,
you know, I'm hanging and banging. And when they carry
me out, brother, he's going hanging out of the camp. Well,
they will be hanging out of the camps.

Speaker 4 (02:55:51):
Because you're with it, you know.

Speaker 3 (02:55:52):
But you couldn't talk to you.

Speaker 5 (02:55:54):
But we were good friends for probably fifteen years and
worked out all the time.

Speaker 3 (02:56:00):
He stayed at my house when he come down.

Speaker 5 (02:56:02):
He didn't have no money to get a room, sleeping
in his van, so uh, my wife and me said,
come on in and sleep in our extra room, and
you know, and we become good friends. And then Vans
told him either Shures or me, because he started whining
that I was too rough on him. And then I
was gonna beat him in ah a lot of TV shows,

(02:56:25):
brother and take the bell and uh uh you know, uh.

Speaker 4 (02:56:29):
You had to treat him like a kid man. You say,
you big dummy.

Speaker 3 (02:56:33):
Why you know?

Speaker 5 (02:56:33):
I mean, I'm not gonna beat you in the middle
of ring. I I can beat you any time I
get ready. That might be harder to do anything. Oh really,
And I'd grabbed him in his own living room, throw
him on the floor and we'd start, you know, but
you know, he never was r uh.

Speaker 3 (02:56:50):
He never was a wrestler. I mean never was a Uh.
If he got a hold of you, he.

Speaker 5 (02:56:56):
Was powerful, he was strong, but he didn't know how
to hold of you. So if you knew any moves
I don't.

Speaker 4 (02:57:02):
You can out rashly.

Speaker 3 (02:57:04):
You know.

Speaker 1 (02:57:06):
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Speaker 2 (02:58:26):
JP Soro Wow Elections on living with the Holtzter then
of course losing the Holtster's trust because he's going to
shoot on me, brother. But you know, David Scheltz is
fucking whack enough, he probably would have done it, honestly, Yeah, right.

Speaker 3 (02:58:38):
I believe that he always ends up in these situations
where people are like on edge about what he's going
to do, and he's always like, what I was going
to do anything? What are you out of your mind?
And it's like there you fucking slaps John Stoscil or
castlesmester t and it's like, well, actually he will do it,
so yeah, but pretty amazing that this is where it
all started between these two, and he remembers shooting him
up so hard that it became an issue, became a

(02:59:00):
real issue, and you could imagine Schult's not biting his
tongue when Hogan's on our Sineo in ninety one acting
like he never took steer. Yes, well they took him three.

Speaker 2 (02:59:07):
Times, so yeah, three times in a week when there
was no local restauran in the area. Brutus continues, we
would leave the arena and then just sleep in our
vans in a random parking lot somewhere, Like you know,
they were homeless people, Buss. Basically, they were homeless people.
Basically what it is like there sore describing this lifestyle,
and all I think about is like, how miserable I'd be, like,
I can't, I don't. I don't like that kind of lifestyle.

(02:59:29):
And they were all like talking about as being great
having freedom. I don't even know if Arne, because arn
tells a similar story in his book because he broke
in the same spot. I don't even know if he
had an apartment. So I vividly remember him saying he
would just fall asleep on the beach with a case
with a cooler beer, just wake up and then shower
in the facilities at the beach, the public facilities, and
go to the town.

Speaker 3 (02:59:50):
Just sleep on the beach. Yeah, I'm good.

Speaker 2 (02:59:53):
Imagine that's your house because it's a beach. I feel
like you're luxuriating, right, dude.

Speaker 3 (03:00:00):
That's such a fucking wrestling mentality. That's that seemed like
a whole Cogan wrestling mentality. Honestly, only a Tampa only
a Tampa boy could put himself through that right. No,
you know what, not not happy? There a problem, Actually
it's not really, yeah exactly. Sometimes we would get up

(03:00:21):
in the morning and drive over to one of the
local gas stations that had one little room you could lock.
We would take turns using the bathroom to poop and
brush our teeth or whatever, and then and then drive
back to Pensacola. Eventually we would always circle back to Pensacola, Uh,
Pensacola Beach and start everything all over again. Pensacola was
home base. We would be tanning or in the water
and then smell barbecue. Sens quite often would pull out

(03:00:45):
a little grill and cook out. Man oh man, they
fed Terry and me a whole bunch. They really were
generous and great to pay them back. Sometimes we would
go to this buffet place called Moms. It was a
little bit faced down Joy off the main strip, and
they had the best fried chicken in the world. The
moment we walked in, we would transform into savages. All

(03:01:06):
manners were out the window. We wouldn't even sit down
at the table. As the waitress showed us to our seats,
we would walk over and acknowledge it. Don't get me wrong.
We would nod to our signed eating headquarters, but then
rush right over to the plates and immediately go up
to the food.

Speaker 2 (03:01:20):
Just fucking oh, just rip it to shreds. Guys are
so huge and so homeless, and so broke, so hungry,
so hungry. Let me tell you, he says, the Samoans
and the boulders could eat. We would grab each a
heaping blite of fried chicken and make quick work of it.
In little time, all four of us would pound the
poultry and toss all the bones on a few empty

(03:01:43):
plates in the center. Then we would get right back
up and do it again. The amount of chicken bones
left when they were finally done was ridiculous. It was
always like a huge mountain.

Speaker 3 (03:01:54):
It was just wrong. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (03:01:56):
The people at Momes just hated us, to the point
that when we showed up you could see the anger
in their eyes because they knew we were just going
to eat everything inside. If we were able to just
pull our seats up to the buffet tables themselves, we
probably would have done that. The nights were relatively peaceful,
sleeping on the beach. I do remember one night I
had checked in early. I was asleep already, when all

(03:02:17):
of a sudden, it felt like I was on a boat.

Speaker 3 (03:02:18):
I was out of it.

Speaker 2 (03:02:19):
I shook myself awake and looked out of the window
to see if we had been hit by the tide
or something. Then I realized that the motion was coming
from within the van. Someone had snobled in the back.
It was late and the bars had all closed. Terry
had just come back from drinking and had a I
thought I didn't drink a drop of alcohol back then,
all right, just come back from drinking and had a

(03:02:39):
girl with him and maybe a six pack. Now I
don't think he was necessarily trying to get it on
with her. The really wild days would come from our
next territory, Memphis, after we were more widely known. But
either way, I didn't want to clock cock block so
or be their first hand to see what was going
to happen. That would be breaking the bro code. So
I decided to take off. Before I shut the door,

(03:03:00):
I saw Terry out of the corner of my eye.
He just barely gave me the thumbs up. I rolled out,
knowing damn well that I shouldn't return anytime soon as
to let them have their space. Terry wasn't a big
player like me, but either way, as a bro, you
knew you had to follow the unwritten universal gentleman's rule
that states if the van is a rockin, don't come
and knocking. Tired as hell, I ventured out for what

(03:03:21):
I figured would be a long night. I walked down
a few spots over in the parking lot to the
side of the Samoan's ride to look for shelter. A
light drizzle was hitting my face as I was hitting
the van. Bump, bump, bump, nothing. I pounded a bit harder, bump, bump, bump. Finally,
a dazed off a slid the side door open. Can
you imagine bomb? My god, I imagine knocking on a
van in the middle of the night in Pensacle, looking

(03:03:43):
and the thing goes slides open off.

Speaker 3 (03:03:46):
Fucking Oh dude, I'd be scared, horrified. I'd run. Yes, yep.

Speaker 2 (03:03:52):
A stale cloud of dank, smow and tobacco smacked me
in the face. I grimaced and pulled my blanket up
over my shoulder and nose. What what is it morning yet,
he asked, looking to see that it was still dark. No,
just wondering if you mightd if I crash in the front,
I asked in a chuckle, Terry has some company in
the van and I can't get any sleep. Offa started
to laugh and he shook his head. Too much sound

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from Terry. He asked, no, I don't think so, but
didn't want to stick around to find out. Okay, get
in off appointed to the front. He slid the door closed,
and then I saw his forearm unlock the front. I
crawled into the passenger side. The seat was back pretty
far already, but I leaned it back some. The head
of my chair pushed back this drapery thing that they
used to keep the light out of the back. I
heard off I say something to Seeker from the back,

(03:04:33):
and then I passed out. About twenty minutes later, I
awoke again. This time, however, my makeshift bed was not
moving around. The thing that woke me from the dead
this time was the curious sound of wood being sawed.
I laid there for some time and listen to the
wood sawing storm in full force. I tried covering my
years with my blanket, but it was no use. I

(03:04:53):
waited it out. After about ten minutes, I heard Cicca,
I think, tell his brother to roll over. Fine, sure
it was Terry over. Brother's a quick one, two, three
up brother? What Finally the snoring subsided. I closed my
eyes again. I thought about the day. You know, for
a moment, I thought he was talking about real wood
being fucking like something through. I know, like someone's building

(03:05:16):
a boat out there.

Speaker 3 (03:05:16):
I really thought to myself, like, at two in the morning,
there's somebody, you know, and this fucking beach who's actually.

Speaker 2 (03:05:23):
Like Terry's working harder than me. Thought some of what
I'd learned in the ring. A peacefulness came over me.
Just as I started a drift, I heard the gentle
blast of an earth rattling fried chicken fart, and then
the sawing started up again in its entire splendor. Oh
my God, make matters worse out of nowhere. It became

(03:05:45):
a duet. Yes, another saw chimed in, and I need
to keep in mind Kenny Castanova, his co author, loves
fart jokes and shit jokes, and he always forces them in.
So I'm not sure sure he said all this, but yes,
another saw chimed in in perfect harmony. It was magical,
a full on wood sewing samo and symphony in stereo.
Was being performed just for me.

Speaker 3 (03:06:04):
I mean also picture picture these two fucking clowns. Okay,
picture off of Sika, all right, the two the two
of them asleep, you know. I also picture them, you know,
with like uh uh, you know, like flowery button down
shirts and listen to of course they're because they're sleeping,

(03:06:25):
you know, because they're living in a van. They don't
have like pajamas or anything like that, or even just
fucking nighttime clothes like boxers and T shirts or whatever.
But they're just fucking they're wearing whatever they wore them
during the day. They just have regular clothes, like oh,
so what do they do the laundry, by the way,
Like no one talks about the laundry. These are important
things that I'm curious about. But and they just sit
there like, you know, it's unbuttoned, like all the way down,

(03:06:46):
just like fucking offa's on his back, hair everywhere, all right,
hair just fucking all over the place. Is welcome to
the business. It's the complete hull co good bitch. I

(03:07:09):
imagine that there's just exactly you know, and there's no
and these guys have you know. I I it's awful.
But I also I cannot imagine a professional wrestler knowing
good hygiene, right, Like, they're just always disgusting, right, all

(03:07:31):
of them, all of them, and they're just nasty and
just sweaty and body odor everywhere exactly. It smells like
it smells like old lasso taco It's it's right, it's
a that and like peppers and onions. Ye, all right,
you know that's that's the smell. It's all over the place.

Speaker 7 (03:07:54):
You know.

Speaker 3 (03:07:55):
Let alone, what's going on in their facial hair? Okay,
just the dangerous concoc.

Speaker 2 (03:08:01):
This girl from some bar Pensacola can't help it slide
into the van you go back to get back to
your place.

Speaker 3 (03:08:06):
Well, I live in a van, bro you know a van?
It you know that, dude van cause they call me
Van of White brother. I'm a big fan of a
Viziann brother. You live in a vis And what is
that is that? It a modern apartment building?

Speaker 9 (03:08:23):
Well?

Speaker 3 (03:08:24):
Well, you know what in the way it is where
I'm living, that's I'm living. It's a it's a it's
a mobile apartment. Oh you live in mobile? I thought
you lived in Pensacola. It depends on the day of
the week. Past I got a place in Mobile. I
got a place in Montgomery. I got a place in Dothan.

(03:08:45):
Bro I got a place over in Portland, Oregon. He
got a place wherever I needed, bro wherever I needed
to go. My home follows me. Dude, love it. He's
got a mobile home, all right. So awesome, dude, so awesome.
Oh my god, right in the smoke filled dodge ram.
It wasn't worth it.

Speaker 2 (03:09:04):
Some wet socks and a couple of sand flea bites
were far better than hearing that. So I rolled out
of van number two. I wrapped up in the blanket
and fell asleep on the beach. A younger shot of
the Wild Samoans OFFENSECA days were easy. Terry and I
would go to Pensacola Health Club and work out. Maybe
I would go swimming with the Samoans. We might hang
out on the beach until late in the afternoon and
then maybe drive to New Brunswick or Mobil or Montgomery,

(03:09:25):
wherever we were wrestling that night. There is ed Leslie reflecting.
Here's further to the point about what's happening in the ring.
Sometimes Ox Baker would show up to our vans to
hang out there's another nice vision to have slamming onund
your door in the middle of Psycho Maniac, this walking
horror movie.

Speaker 3 (03:09:47):
I mean, he really is he is just he is.
He is a threat.

Speaker 2 (03:09:51):
Suck escape from New York, escape from Pensacola, I know,
escape from this scan, escape from Ox Baker, please the eyebrows,
the mustache boss. Oh just not just not okay, escape
from New York. Indeed, yep, I mean.

Speaker 3 (03:10:08):
Horrifying.

Speaker 2 (03:10:11):
So we just wanted to hang out. Ox and I
work a lot of matches together. Ed says he was
very helpful with my training early on in my career,
and we hit it off pretty well. When he stopped by,
he would just sit down next to me in a stoop.
Maybe need some simoone barbecue. Other times stop buying, to
stare at you, not say a word, just look at you.
Didn't even wasn't even invited over his eyebrows to a
point he would other times, Ed SAIDs rights he would

(03:10:37):
bring sandwich just to share.

Speaker 3 (03:10:39):
Of course he wouldn't.

Speaker 2 (03:10:40):
I liked eating with Ox. He always had an interesting
story to tell. Ox didn't care about cafe at all.
In a time when we had separate everything for the
heels and the baby faces from our cars, to our
hotels to the locker rooms. Good guys wouldn't be seen
with the villains anywhere to protect the business. But Ox
didn't care about any of that. He would come out
swimming or even lay down right next to me tan
in the sun, even when we were set to work
against each other that very night. Terry absolutely hated this.

(03:11:01):
If he strolled up on the beach and saw me
drinking with Ox, his face would go sour. He would say, disgustedly,
if anyone's fucking strolling up, you know, that makes whole
Cogan nastly. That's the one security blanket he has is
none of the heels, none of the faces are going
to be around him because of cave fame. But if
all of a sudden like that isn't a hard and
fast rule anymore, he can't trust that he's not going

(03:11:22):
to get covered. You know, let's not forget okay, let's
not forget something here, Okay. This is Ox Maker is
a classic example of what I have always talked about,
and the fact that.

Speaker 3 (03:11:36):
These gentlemen the grocery store has to go to the
grocery store looking like he looks like that he is
buying fucking HoneyNet cheerios looking like that, like the axe
fucking horrifying seriously does with a fucking low axe, Like

(03:11:59):
why live alife? You can't do it? I mean, like
going doing anything as a joke, doing anything, were going
to the library, trying to fucking get a book, like
forget it, No, we don't. We don't serve your kind here.
Looks like a fucking monster, mister, we don't serve psychos here. God,

(03:12:20):
just I mean, imagine any normal thing, but with Ox
Baker doing.

Speaker 2 (03:12:26):
It, that's a surprise. Pull quote from Total Complete that
I didn't expect. Imagine anything normal, but Ox Baker doing it.
Good stuff.

Speaker 3 (03:12:41):
Ox. You might say ordering ordering Starbucks or dunkin Donuts
order for Ox. Yeah right, oh right there, Oh got
me again? He said up a bitch right in two seconds?

Speaker 5 (03:13:02):
Ah.

Speaker 3 (03:13:06):
I mean, just like people would not return to that
Starbucks not at all, scaring people on purpose because you
never know if he's going to be there again. You
would never know. This guy's just this guy has to
change his has to adopt an image that he cannot

(03:13:28):
change because week to week he has to sell out
a rinky dink arena.

Speaker 2 (03:13:34):
Pull up to your house and like you know, thirty
after a night out, and you have like a window
overlooking the garage, and as you pull in, you look
up and you see he's standing in your living room
looking down at you.

Speaker 3 (03:13:48):
Imagine this, Okay, imagine like you know, because you can
imagine who knows what, who knows what kind of you know,
I imagine he had to have some other kind of
income as well. Point Like let's say at one point
he's a delivery guy of course, like food delivery. So
it's like you order pizza and the doorbell rings and

(03:14:08):
you open it. You got this fucking psychopath in a
domino and you a pie, right, yeah, exactly, ospgger delivery
dominoes your house. You would say something like that he
had the pizza you eat all that. I have some myself.

Speaker 5 (03:14:32):
Okay.

Speaker 3 (03:14:32):
He tries to be He tries to be friendly about it.

Speaker 2 (03:14:35):
That is because when you hear him do shoot interviews
and stuff, he is kind of gregarious and like he's
easy to get along with. It sounds like, but he
looks like he would cut your fucking neck off in
a second. I mean, he looks like he has no
problem eating a human being.

Speaker 3 (03:14:50):
Exactly. Okay, you know he talks like the most normal
person ever. I know, I fucking watching those interviews and
it's like, this guy does not his his his demeanor
does not match this said look that he pizza's hair
ox banker hair. Can I come in? No, you cannot

(03:15:10):
come in?

Speaker 4 (03:15:11):
You look at you?

Speaker 3 (03:15:13):
You cannot come in? Ready for dinner?

Speaker 4 (03:15:16):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (03:15:17):
Whoa?

Speaker 3 (03:15:19):
You hear the ring.

Speaker 2 (03:15:20):
Doorbell go off? You go, you'll turn the camera and
he's standing on your porch eating your pizza, looking in
the camera.

Speaker 3 (03:15:29):
You look at you your doorboll camera and he's like,
you know, it's always got a fish eye lens, and
you got him. He's looking right home. He's like, you
see his eye, but then you see it. He's eating
the pizza, right.

Speaker 2 (03:15:48):
You see mostly his eye, but there's this little dot
of his mouth at the bottom and it's moving one
hundred miles an hour.

Speaker 3 (03:15:54):
And then and then and then he then he shifts
up so that you see his mouth and he's like
he starts laughing, but you see all the pizza in
his mouth. That's awesome, cinnatic as that's baker tremendous. I
got your pie. He was Terry's walking up to him

(03:16:16):
on the beach for suntan and going, come on, okay,
fae brother, get out of here. What are you doing?
Were you rolled me up showing up my sleeping quarters, dude,
I mean my.

Speaker 2 (03:16:32):
Private home. It's a fucking van. So it became a
weird k fabe struggle rivalry between Terry and Ox. Brutus writes,
I was wrestling Ox and so I was Terry. So
I get why he didn't want us to be seen together.
But we always set up camp in the middle of nowhere.
Ox knew it bothered Terry and thought it was funny.

Speaker 3 (03:16:48):
Of course he did.

Speaker 2 (03:16:49):
So he wait till Terry was asleep in the beach
working on his tand and he would come over and
sit right down next to us. Terry woul wake up,
look to his left and yell, goddamn it.

Speaker 3 (03:16:55):
Ox.

Speaker 2 (03:16:56):
Then he would run to the van, said, perfect, what
you're saying it Terry's called. He's yelling Terry. As Terry
goes to the van, Terry Terry Terry sometimes Ox sometimes
Brutish writes, Ox would actually chase after him. Ox cared

(03:17:18):
about k but he just like and Terry Moore, okay,
like so like this is all this is. This is
more establishing of Hulk Hogan's parents.

Speaker 3 (03:17:28):
Absolutely, like this guy's following him around and fallow him around,
He's chasing him. What do you what do you do? Why?

Speaker 5 (03:17:38):
What?

Speaker 7 (03:17:38):
What?

Speaker 3 (03:17:40):
Like a male man running from a dog?

Speaker 7 (03:17:42):
You know?

Speaker 3 (03:17:43):
Yep, exactly.

Speaker 2 (03:17:46):
I was good friends with Ox right up until the
time he died a short time ago. One Friday night
after our TV tapings at the Farm Center in Dauphin, Alabama.
It's it's it's not dolphin like like a dolphin it dophin.
I snack out to drive Box over to a bar
with the van, but Terry would have none of that.
After the show, Terran instead hopped a ride to one
of the hotels where some of the wrestlers were staying

(03:18:06):
for swim. He says that he got changed in Don
Fargo's room and then headed down to the pool. When
he got there, guess what he saw. Bos He couldn't
believe his eyes. Some nudest beach exhibitionist. Oh my god,
hockey type conference was there and they were all out
in rare and rear form. Everyone was naked and swimming.
Just as he was about to turn around and leave,

(03:18:26):
he looked over there. It was Robert Fuller aka Colonel
Rob Parker wow on the territory with his brother Ron.
He was standing on the diving board and all his glory,
completely naked, grounded by tons of wasted, drunk people cheering
him on a dive. Someone reached over and handed him
the Southwestern heavyweight title belt.

Speaker 3 (03:18:43):
He put it on like a.

Speaker 2 (03:18:44):
Champ, and the crowd went wild. It was dangling off
his waist as well as something else he was very
well known for.

Speaker 3 (03:18:51):
I'm my dollar cock. I'll wear him about about five
pounds of Fuller Man meat. Now.

Speaker 2 (03:18:56):
I don't know if you ever heard the legend of
Colonel Rob Parker's massive peace before, but it far surpasses
anything he ever did in the ring. His penis really
was bigger than his career. He wasn't shy about it either,
let me tell you. He would just whip it out
with no notice anywhere and swing it around like a
pocket watch on a chain. He would take it out
in the locker room, in the grocery store, driving next
to a car of nuns.

Speaker 3 (03:19:17):
It didn't matter, I guess.

Speaker 2 (03:19:18):
In this particular night, he was in his element, in
full exhibition mode. He started a picture of the movie
almost famous. You know when he comes upon that. Oh yes,
he started bouncing up and down on the board, getting
the proper momentum going enough to spin his cock around
in a complete circle. Once it looked like the propeller
of an airplane. He was ready for lift off. He
took three steps and jumped low and behold, he didn't

(03:19:38):
drop like a bag of shit. His spinning penis actually
helped him finally take flight like a helicopter. Everyone's here,
all right, thanks a lot, Kenny.

Speaker 3 (03:19:49):
Yeah, definitely not a beefcake story.

Speaker 2 (03:19:51):
Is Hogan's book on the whole thing? The only place, ohya,
I'll give it to you actually, because he's he's in
rare form here, and he tells the throbbing members story,
but he kinda you know, he kind of doesn't tell
it the same exact way. Oh, it's a different person
whose cock is out, I think.

Speaker 3 (03:20:10):
Oh from his first book, all right, the one place
on a penstacle Alabama circuit that weirded me out. Well,
that was doath in Alabama. Weirded me out.

Speaker 2 (03:20:22):
That's why I don't talk about it, because I was
violating marvel ip the whole time.

Speaker 3 (03:20:26):
We wrestled there on Friday nights at the farm Center,
and they say over at the hotel because Saturday, I
thought you'd be in your fucking van. Oh he was
in the hotel. Hotel. He went to swim for one
all Saturday morning would take some TV to promote the
next week's rounds of events. First time I wrestled there,
Russell's got some beer after we left the farm Center
and went back to the hotel to relax, or so

(03:20:48):
I thought, I want to go to the hotel. The
parking lot was packed. I didn't get it. You know,
when I was earlier in the day the lot was
almost empty, and all of a sudden, it was worth
your life to get a spiller. Brother Jesus twice.

Speaker 2 (03:21:03):
You do not pull up on the thing he expects
to be empty model. Oh, no way, no way, Like
what's one who talked?

Speaker 3 (03:21:09):
Actually? Who talked to who?

Speaker 2 (03:21:10):
Because everyone seems to know about this except you, your
boy here exactly I want to saw the hotel, which
had a swimming pool right in the center of it,
and I finally saw why there were so many people there.
One of the Fuller brothers, the guys who owned the territory,
was on the diving board, wearing the Southern Heavyweight title
belt and nothing else outside of that belt wrapped around
his middle. He was he was stark naked. There's a

(03:21:34):
huge crowd on the swimming pool, you know, cheering and
raising hell. It looked to me like the whole town
was there as a final Later it wasn't the whole town,
just everybody who'd been at the farm Center watching us wrestle.
You know, when from the people in the front road,
the guy's the nosebleed section. I mean, how big is
the Farm Center? I think six thousand seats? Yeah, then

(03:21:55):
would you consider those me nosebleed sections?

Speaker 3 (03:21:58):
Probably six. I wouldn't considered a six thousand seat. Before
I knew it, this crazy son of a bitch on
the diving board took a dive into the pool belt
and all. That's why I realized he wasn't the only
one without any clothes on. As soon as he hit
the water, everyone else in the pool got girls and
guys came climbing out, and they were naked too. I
just walked away, shaking my head and saying to myself,

(03:22:19):
this is insane. Even that back then, I knew it
wasn't right to run around naked like that with families
and kids around who'd followed us from the arena back
to the hotel. It was like a circus was in town. Yep,
it was mind boggling. Even if Terry Boulder wasn't comfortable
at times in Dothan, Dothan was real comfortable Terry Boulder.

Speaker 2 (03:22:40):
We'll get a lot more into why he felt that
way about Dothan, or Doathan felt that way about him
as we continue here on the Alabama leg of the
Complete Hulkogin. But of all the crazy hijinks he would
witness in person and on the road and in the
vans and in the hotel pools, it was really what
the wind on his skin that he'd remember from this

(03:23:01):
point in time. She recalled from his second book. At
a particular point, he and a reality show crew visit
his childhood home in Tampa, after his marriage is beginning
to fall apart, and after really hell Kogan's entire world
is crumbling around him, and he spent some time in
the backyard looking at the old remembering the old grapefruit
trees that his dad used to tend to, and remembering

(03:23:22):
his mom. You'd be the one to stay indoors, and
how they found a way to make their marriage work
in that tiny house, no money at all, just tending
to trees and really just loving the water, and he
recalled I found myself wishing, Terry wrote that Linda and
I could be happy again, praying almost even though I
hadn't gone to church or spent any time praying for years.

(03:23:43):
I thought about how crazy my life had become. What
am I doing in a twenty thousand square foot house.
I think I was happier when I was living out
of a van by the beach in pens and Coola,
just waking up and feeling the wind on my skin.

Speaker 3 (03:24:00):
Call it