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Speaker 6 (01:02):
So Boss says, we go through the life and times
of Terry Bolea, even before he became Hulk Hogan. There's
so many figures in his life that he has talked
about that we just were endlessly fascinated by the perspective
on Hulk Hogan before he was Hulk Hogan growing up
in Tampa, and we were going through, of course, his
exploits in youth sports, not only in the baseball diamond,
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but in the bowling alley as well.
Speaker 7 (01:25):
You recall this, right, boss, I do indeed crazy. You
know stuff we didn't even we hardly knew about Holcogan.
And you remember that picture from I believe the Tampa
Tribune where there's a collection of young men who had
just won some bowling trophy and there's Terry in the
background with his massive head taller than everybody else. In
the foreground, dressed to the nines was a young man
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by the name of a Vic Pettitt, who we talked
a bit about, who was a childhood friend of Terry
Boleys went on to become a very serious bowler in
his own right. So we figured we'd roll on and
see if we could get a strike in our own right.
And we're proud to tell folks here in the lapsed
fan solar system that is part of the complete Hulk Hogan,
we have found Vic Pettitt himself in Tampa kind enough
(02:10):
to join us here on the show. Vic, thank you,
so very much.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
Now, you're very welcome.
Speaker 6 (02:16):
It is great to talk to you. And from what
I understand, you grew up. Was it five houses from
Terry and Tampa.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
Yeah, we both lived on Paul Avenue of South Tampa.
I met him when I was like seven years old.
He lived down the street and I was short and fat.
Of course, he was a big kid. So I had
a little bit of a problem with a neighborhood bully
and he should get picked on. I go home crying
and my dad would say, hey, don't come in here,
cry and get back out and fight with battlest I
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got tired of getting my butt kicked, And fortunately I
became good friends with Terry and that probably just kind
of went away after that.
Speaker 6 (02:52):
So that's that's awesome. Yeah, he paints he paints a picture,
you know, in his book and stuff of being kind
of afraid of confrontation a kid despite his size. Uh,
and he kind of was reluctant to get involved with
the hijinks his brother was involved in and stuff. Uh.
Do you remember him being kind of tough and intimidating.
Speaker 2 (03:09):
Well, no, I mean his his father, his brother was
his father was a very easy going guy. Terry was
a very mild manner guy. And uh, his brother Alan,
that was another story. Was he was a lot tougher
guy than than Terry was. Uh, you know, his kids,
and he was older than Terry. And I think he
used to pick on Terry a little bit when they
were younger.
Speaker 6 (03:30):
Sure sure, Uh brother's right? Did he say brother back then?
Speaker 2 (03:34):
Vic?
Speaker 6 (03:34):
I doubt it.
Speaker 2 (03:35):
He well, not not like he does now, you know,
or very good you know. Uh. And and I told
a lot of people, I said, well, you know he
really was because I was an only child. I said,
he really was like my brother, right and uh and
he would say brother to me. Uh you know. So yeah,
that's kind of when that started a long time ago.
Speaker 6 (03:57):
So when you called on him to back you up
against bullies, would he face these kids down? Would he
punch him in the face? What would he do to
make sure they didn't bother you?
Speaker 2 (04:06):
Again? Well, we had a kid, We had a kid
on the neighborhood name was Butch Smith, who's passed away now.
And Butchers wanted just to pick on me. And he
was a little bit older than me, and Terry was
nine months older. But I remember one day and we
played football in the street and Indian ball where you're playing,
you know, with a baseball of that and uh. I
remember one day we were playing in the street and
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something happened and Terry was turning around to walk back,
and Butcher took the ball through it and hit Terry
right in the middle of the back. And Terry just
walked over and just spidered his nose for.
Speaker 6 (04:38):
Him and wow, but problem did uh wow. Okay, so
the right hand, the right hand was there all that time.
Speaker 7 (04:48):
I mean, I can, I can, I can, I can.
Also I can see him definitely getting upset when someone
hit him in the right in the middle of the back.
Speaker 2 (04:55):
Yeah. Yeah, and he had his back turn to him,
you know, so yeah, that's kind of a cheap shot.
Speaker 6 (04:59):
But yeah, cheap shots. He's funny because in wrestling he's
always talking about getting cheap shotted by you know people.
Was he like afraid of people coming up behind him
as a kid.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
I don't remember anybody. People just didn't mess with him,
you know, he was such a big kid, and he
was a nice kid. He didn't, you know, cause trouble
with people, so people didn't bother him. You know. He
was just kind of a very smart student of school,
very smart, and just a quite very good athlete, very
good baseball player. I mean we both made the All
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Star team and Little League inter Bay, right, yeah, Enterbay
Little League. We both made the All Star team. He
made it as an eleven year old and a twelve.
I made it just as an eleven. And I recently
did an interview with Netflix and I said, you know,
growing up in the same neighborhood with Terry was not
really easy for me because I had I had, you know,
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some He was always, like I said, a better student.
He could throw the ball out than me. We both
pitched to his dad in the backyard and he, uh,
you know, would always throw the ball harder than me.
He could hit the ball a lot farther than me.
So you know it. It was tough trying to compete
with him, you know, but fortunately it was my buddy.
And I remember a lot of times we'd go places
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and people that saw us, you know, together all the time.
If he wasn't with me, they'd say, where's your brother
at And I'd say, well, I don't have a brother,
And I said, have a big, blondhaired kid brother, right,
So so I said, no, that's that's my buddy. That's
not my brother.
Speaker 6 (06:33):
That's cool. So did he You probably have heard this
vic He in his second book said he he said
he went to the Little League World Series and absolutely
cleaned up that. He said, uh, and this is this
is the stuff of legend. Because you know him, you
tell some tall tales.
Speaker 2 (06:52):
He said.
Speaker 6 (06:53):
We went to the Little League World Series where I
got up to bat fourteen times and I went ten
for fourteen. I had a seven fourteen batting average in
the finals of the Little League World Series. It was
unheard of.
Speaker 2 (07:04):
When he was fourteen years old, he was playing the
Pony League and he was playing. He pitched and played
third base, and he had a ground ball to third,
or he was playing third and they had a ground
ball to him and he made the throat to first
and snapped a bone in his arm. Oh no, and
that was the end of his career right there, as
far as baseball games.
Speaker 6 (07:26):
So you were there at that game.
Speaker 2 (07:28):
No, I wasn't. I quit playing at twelve because I
was just I decided to bowl all the time. My dad.
In fact, my father and I were the first father
and son and Tampa in the Hall of Fame together.
Speaker 6 (07:38):
Yeah, let's not waste any more time telling the listeners
about your achievements in bowling, because it seemed it seemed
pretty clear from what we were reading that you were
a pretty precocious, gifted young bowler. But tell folks how
far you went.
Speaker 2 (07:48):
Well. I bowled on Pro Bowls tour from nineteen seventy
three to nineteen eighty seven, on and off, and we
ended up owning the bowling center that Terry and I
used to bowl. And it was a small, sixteen to
nine bowling center, and my parents bought it. But by
the time they bought it, I was already preparing to
go out on tours. So you know, it wasn't like
we owned it all along. And I just grew up
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with my parents owning the bowling eye. I did grow
up in the same place, So yeah, I did pretty well.
I was averaging close to one hundred and ninety when
I was twelve years old, and so that was the
one thing I like. I say I couldn't compete with Terry,
but that was the one thing I had on him.
He couldn't compete with me bowling wise. I was the
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bowler and Terry was good at many other things.
Speaker 7 (08:36):
When he was Bowling. Did anyone ever like make fun
of him, like Terry bowl Lea, No, you know.
Speaker 2 (08:42):
That's the funny thing you say his name because really,
and a lot of people don't know this. His father
was Italian and his last name is actually pronounced bowl yah.
Yes it is not Bolea, but his mother didn't like
the Italian pronunciation. She would say bolet and that's what
ended up coming out with blew bolea, which sounds French yea,
(09:08):
but yeah, his real pronunciation. I don't know if his
son even knows that. I want to tell Nick that
when I get a chance.
Speaker 6 (09:14):
Sure. Yeah, that's that's the family lord that probably has
lost in time.
Speaker 2 (09:18):
Now.
Speaker 6 (09:19):
It was Ruth wasn't Italian, right, I think she was Irish, right.
I think her mid name is Moody.
Speaker 2 (09:24):
Yeah, Moody, Yeah. I remember her. Her parents Virginie and
Pop Moody. I mean, like I say, Terry and I
would get everything together, so his parents and my parents.
You know, I'd spend time at his house, he spent
time at my house. I got to know his grandparents
on his mother's side, and I also met his grandmother
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on his father's side. She came down from New Hampshire.
His grandfather on his father's side died in nineteen sixty,
so that was before I met Terry. But yeah, Pete
Terry's father was just the sweetest gentleman. No construction worker, uh,
very smart man, but just a hard working general soul
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and like I said, like a second father to me.
Speaker 6 (10:10):
Sure Terry talks in his book about the neighborhood as
being called if I'm not mistaken, s o g south
of Gandy. Does that sound right?
Speaker 2 (10:20):
Yeah? SAG. Yeah, that's what I call it, Saga South
of Gandy. We were, we were two blocks south of Gandy.
He was right off McDill and I was right off
the sixth street on Paul Avenue.
Speaker 6 (10:31):
So what what's the rep What does that mean? The SAG?
Speaker 2 (10:33):
What?
Speaker 6 (10:33):
What kind of neighborhood is that?
Speaker 2 (10:35):
Well, it was just it's just a middle you know,
middle income neighborhood. It wasn't it wasn't real poor, but
it wasn't you know, rich by any stretch. You know.
We got a new bike at Christmas time. That was
a big thing. And I remember I saw a thing
in a magazine that we could get. I mean, we
were Christmas was coming up, and I said to my mother,
and of course she said it the ruth. They had
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these bell and hell for eight millimeter cameras and also
the projector on the screen. And uh, Terry's aunt, her
name was Heavy and she she would come down each
year and film things. They had films from the eight
millimeter movies from up in New Hampshire and all over
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and they lived in Baltimore, and uh so we got
to see those movies. In fact, I've got copies of
all that stuff. Wow, the video you see on him,
the stuff that I had, and I've got them all
on DVDNAS.
Speaker 6 (11:32):
So that's awesome, that's incredible. What was the what was
the dynamic like with Alan? Because you know, Terry talked
a lot about what ended up happening with Alan. We
were reading all about it, you know, as he had
all his troubles in Tampa and then what happened to
his his ex wife was Alan the Alan you knew?
Wild man? Like, how how would you? What are your
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key memories with me?
Speaker 2 (11:55):
Alan was always very nice, very respectful to my parents,
very respectful to me, never picked on me at all.
But I know as he got older, you know, when
he drank, he would get pretty pretty wild, and I
know he h most people for John Matusac played with
the Oakland Raiders. Of course John Tusac. Terry is playing
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in the band, and uh, there's a place called the
Islands Club on David Island. Well, Terry, here's Terry, you know,
six foot seven. He's up there playing in the band,
and he's looking out over the crowd. And my Tusac
was playing at the University of Tampa at the time
in college and number one draft pick. And uh, anyway,
my Tusac was six foot nine and had this big offer, right,
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And so Terry says, up there playing in the band,
he looks out in the crowd, he sees Mythusac out there,
towering over everybody. He looks and he sees his brother Alan,
who Alan was like a bow and brawler. I mean
he was. He was a bad hombre. And he's saying
to himself, he said, I'm thinking if the two of
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them go at it, I'm gonna drop my guitar and
jumping on my brother's side. Ah, he said, sure enough.
He looks out there in a little while and there's
Alan in the two sack going at it. He goes
and drops his guitar and about four guys are trying
to pull his brother off in the two sack. Oh
my goodness, just pund in the two sick. He finished
fourth in the world in the almssing contests in Polooma, California,
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So I never lift their weight in his life.
Speaker 6 (13:24):
Yeah, there's all kinds of well not all kinds, but
there is some publicity on the California papers about, you know,
Hulk Cogan's brother, because Terry tells the story that his
brother first stopped off in Texas and maybe even changed
his name. So there's like this gap where you don't
really see much of Alan, and then when Hulk becomes
the television superstar in the mid eighties, you know, of
course the papers are like this guy Hulk Cogan's brother,
that's that's amazing. But he had that that in between time.
(13:47):
I guess where he became a totally different person.
Speaker 2 (13:49):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, Alan. I remember Alan used to you know,
like to ride motorcycles, and so did Cherry end up
like to ride motorcycles also. But Alan was a pretty
tough biker, you know. And Terry told me he goes
out to uh, he's wrestling in La and he said
he gets a note from a security guard that Alan
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wants to come in. The security guard says, Terry, this
guy wants to come in and meet with you, and
he said, okay. He saw it was Alan's handwriting. As
Alan he said, let him in. So he lets him in.
He's got like two or three of his buddies and
by then Terry's you know, six seventh, three and a quarter,
and Alan starts to give him a little little passle
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and he looked at Alan and said, hey, Alan, not
not going to happen anymore. Brother. Allan just kind of
backed off and kind of teared up, you know.
Speaker 6 (14:45):
Yea.
Speaker 2 (14:46):
But he was in pretty bad health by them. So
he died at thirty eight years old. Yeah, yes, And
that after he died, the Inquirer called me. A guy
from the Inquirer called me because he saw magazine and
the articles and things and asked me about Alan Ba
And I said, that's when Terry was wrestling gas Andre
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and at that time. And I said, I don't know
who Alan boy is. I just played stupid, you know,
I didn't. I don't want to talk about it.
Speaker 6 (15:15):
Sure, Sure, what's funny you say that? Because we were
looking at an article. I think it was eighty nine.
There was a paper, a paper I think out of Georgia.
I mean it' been in Atlanta Constitution. I don't know
what it was. But they they knew that Terry grew
up and Terry was born technically in Augusta. So they
wanted to do this piece about, you know how Hulkogan,
the big you know, superstar, actually has Georgia roots. And
the reporter mentioned that he called WWF and their spokesperson said,
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if you're going to get into any of his actual
real life background, we're not going to talk to you.
It seemed like there was kind of like a thing,
let's let's keep this Hull Cogan guy as mysterious as
possible for for a while.
Speaker 2 (15:48):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, Alan, I mean Terry he was actually
living in South Carolina, I think that's right, Aiken a Acon,
South Carolina. And then but there was no hospital, so
Ruth went to deliver Terry, so she had to go
to Augusta. And uh so there was really you know,
he didn't grow up in Augusta, who never lived there? Really,
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he was just born in a hospital there.
Speaker 6 (16:11):
Yeah, so yeah, they kept that though. Ruth used to
say Georgia Peach. They didn't They played that up big,
didn't they.
Speaker 2 (16:17):
Oh? Yeah, yeah, absolutely, there's so many funny stories. I
remember when he was on uh Johnny Carson. Oh yeah,
if you've seen that clip, well, he's on there with
Johnny and he says, you know, wrestling and ring is
really tough and this that, and he shows Johnny his hand.
He said, you know, like some wrestler had bit his hand. Well,
that wasn't the case. I was kind of laughing when
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I watched it because I knew the whole story. Terry
caught a guy ripping off his eight track player out
of his car over and the guy was guy was
sitting there laying on the seat trying to unbolt this thing,
and Terry just reached in and punched this guy and
the guy's tooth, I guess, caught his hand and then
it got infected and they had put a little drain
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in there and stuff. So I said, yeah, okay, play
it up. Yeah, the wrestlers are biting on the hand now,
biting on the hand.
Speaker 6 (17:10):
So did that did that break in the car and
the atrakt thing? Did that happen when he was wrestler
or is that like a really old injury.
Speaker 2 (17:16):
Oh that that thing that happened with his hands before
he ever even got into wrestler.
Speaker 6 (17:21):
Wow, that's really funny. You played it up there.
Speaker 7 (17:24):
One of my favorite something, one of my favorite parts
of that interview is when when Johnny Carson takes out
the old class photo photo yes, and and and Terry
kind of freaks out a little bit, like he's like,
where did you get that photo from? He's nervous. I mean,
do you know what he was? He really nervous, do
you know?
Speaker 6 (17:44):
Yeah, he was.
Speaker 2 (17:45):
I don't know if he was nervous. Yeah, Ruth, Ruth
gave that to Johnny's staff. The teacher I was his
third grade teacher. Her name was missus Armstadt, and I
was a grade behind Terry, and I had missus Armstrot
in the third grade. I ended up having her same thing,
same teacher, so I remember missus Unstein. But yeah, he was.
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He was kind of surprised because I guess he didn't
know that Ruth had given that to the staff. And
then Johnny pulls it out and he's like, where'd you
get that at the funniest part of that interview was
Johnny's looking at his arms. Of course by then they're
like twenty six centches and he says, God, my god,
I wish I had anything that big, and Terry looked
at him. He's very quick winning. He goes, yeah, how
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about your bank account?
Speaker 6 (18:28):
Yeah, that's awesome. I could ask you this, vic. I mean,
I'm you're probably the only person you might not know,
but you're probably the only person we could ask now
that you know. His father's gone and his family. We
were going through mentions of Terry Bolea in the papers
and the Tampa Tribune in nineteen sixty four, so he
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would have been what eleven years old. There there's this
column and it just lists like civil action damages that
had been issued in the local court. And it's got
us of names. It's just names. It's not an article
or anything. It's just a bunch of like cases. And
one of them is Terry Bowley at all, meaning him
and a lot of other people as well as his father,
Peter Bowley Junior, won civil action damages from someone by
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the name of Alfred L. Smith. Does that name mean
anything to you?
Speaker 2 (19:20):
No, nothing about it. And I've never heard that, jeez,
I've never heard that. Yeah, that's that's one on me,
And I know Terry's background probably as good as anybody.
Speaker 6 (19:31):
I mean, those records are so old now you could
never find them. But I don't know what would have
been at that age. Something he his dad would collect on.
Maybe an injury or something. No clue, but yeah, I
got I have no clue. Yeah, all right, Well we
did our we did our honest best there when he
was doing baseball, he remembered there. Well, that's why I'm
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asking you. I'm not sure if it's the case or not,
he says, I'm not sure if it's still there. But
for many years there was a plaque hanging at the
Inner Bay Little League Baseball Fields down near the entrance
to McDill air Force Base noting that Terry Bully had
the most home runs in a single season.
Speaker 2 (20:03):
True that I don't believe. I don't think he led
that season his twelve year old year. I think it
was another kid named lou Garcia, his fathered up being
the coach of the all Star team. I think lou
led led the league and home runs. I do remember
one home run Terry Hitto. He played on the Little
Generals that was a convenience support and food mart in
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our area, and I played on the red Wing Carrier Indians.
I was a you know, transportation of gasoline, and I
was a pitcher and my team wasn't very good, and
Terry's team wasn't really good either, you know. Uh So anyway,
we're playing them and we're ahead. We're up by like
one run, one or two runs going into the last inning,
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and I think we're up by a run, and so
we get two out and now there's a man on
and who comes up with Terry? You know, he's my
best friend, you know. So he comes up. The coach
comes out and he talks to me and says, look,
don't give him anything good to hit, because you know,
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if you're walking, okay, no problem, we can we can
deal with that. But don't give them anything to hit,
because you know how far can hit? I say, you know,
to tell me. I know. So I throw the first pitch,
I throw it down and in. I throw a curveball
and it goes down and he swings over it. I said, oh, okay,
I think maybe I can get in here. So then
I throw another fastball down and in, and he swings
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over it again. So I got him two and zero
and I said, okay, to see I'm gonna try and
throw one outside just to see, you know, don't throw
it over the plate, just throw it outside. I tried
throwing a curveball outside and it broke. It broke too good,
went over the plate and hit it over the He
hit it over the lights.
Speaker 6 (21:48):
God damn.
Speaker 2 (21:51):
Man, I will never forget as long as I live.
He's between second and third and about shortstop and he's
looking at me. I'm just turning around looking at him.
I got my head down and he's got his hand
over his mouth and he's laughing and looking at me
and like pointing at me like I just got you man.
Speaker 6 (22:08):
Wow, Well now I know why you didn't forget that one.
Speaker 2 (22:10):
Yeah? Right?
Speaker 6 (22:12):
Was it true that if he grounded that it was
like a laughing stock watching him try to run to
first or would he exaggerate that? Did he hat you?
Speaker 2 (22:19):
Well? We we were slow. In fact, on the All
Star team there was a kid named tom Riley who
was a big, heavy set kid. Me and Terry we
were the last three always when we wait and when
everybody ran, we were the last three in Terry was
ahead of me and Tommy Riley was ahead of me.
I was dead last because I was short and fat.
Now I'm six one and the wait about one ninety.
Speaker 6 (22:40):
But wow.
Speaker 2 (22:42):
In fact, Terry came to watch me play softball years later.
I played some pretty big competitive softball. I had a
ground ball of sour stuff and beat it out. He said,
oh my god, you never could run like that when
you were young. I said, yeah, I know, I grew
up something something short that anymore. That's funny.
Speaker 7 (23:02):
Something that kind of just occurred to me was, you know, everybody,
anybody who's watched him as a wrestler, and uh, you know,
beyond that, we know that that kind of that that
that loud, deep voice. But you kne him as a
kid before before his voice changed and was adult voice.
What was that like?
Speaker 2 (23:24):
Well, he just had a normal It wasn't deep, and
it wasn't it wasn't high. Yeah, you know, it was
just a normal I'd say, a normal tenor voice, you know,
octive voice, and uh, but yeah, he was he was.
He was something I remember. I used to get so
frustrated because I couldn't beat them anything except I did
get him on bowling. But we'd play this electric football
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game and you take your little men set him up
there and he turn on this thing and they vibrate
and they go down the field. He used to kick
my ass and that thing all the time. I used
to get so mad. I take all my men who
were up there front block. I just put him in
a pile there with the football, if you know everything.
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I just could not beat him at it, you know,
and I'd get snow aggravated.
Speaker 6 (24:11):
Did he ever challenge you to see who could stuff
more rocks up their nose?
Speaker 4 (24:16):
No?
Speaker 2 (24:16):
I know he did that when he was younger. Yeah,
I never did that one. Did you ever witness it? No? No,
I never saw it. I think I was before I
met him. I say we were like seven.
Speaker 6 (24:30):
I read that. I read that like four times in
his book, and I'm like, is he trying to make
some kind of like euphemism for snorting cocaine or something?
Because this makes no sense to me. Why is he
putting rocks up his nose? I don't get this.
Speaker 2 (24:41):
Yeah, I don't know. I don't know on that one.
I do remember him saying that he did that when
he was younger.
Speaker 6 (24:46):
Well, he was a big he was a big boy.
Take us into the breakfast, the lunch, the dinner, table.
I mean, how hard would he go in that kitchen?
Speaker 2 (24:54):
Well, we I remember the face. We used to like
to eat. We used to like the smoke turkeys, sandwiches, sure,
And I'd go on Friday as with his mom to
to win Dixie and we you know, she'd go shopping
on Friday, so that's when Pete got paid. And we
love the Kibler chocolate chip cookies. And my mother would
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buy Charles chips and that type of thing, great big
cans of them potato chips, you know. And and we
used to go to there's a place in Tampa, the
very famous steakhouse called Burns Steakhouse r NS. It's a
world renowned steakhouse, largest privately owned wine collection in the world.
Almost at one time they were close to a million bottles.
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And in fact, my wife and I just ate there
a couple of nights ago. But anyway, it's been nur
since nineteen fifty six. My dad was in the tropical
fish business and he used to take us customers there
from New York and things like that. And uh, but
Terry would go with us. And when he and I
would go to Burns with my dad, my mother and
the customers we would destroy thing on the table. We
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were twelve years old. We're kind of sixteen ouse tea
bones and if there's solid left, we're taking care of
that too. And I mean even the creamers on the table,
if they didn't go in a coffee, we're drinking them.
That's why we were both. We were both fat when
we were young. We ate everything.
Speaker 6 (26:21):
He's talked about these huge and I don't even know
if they still exist because it doesn't sound right to me,
these huge baby Ruth bars that sounded like they were
like two feet long. Do you know what he's talking about.
Speaker 2 (26:31):
I don't know about the baby with I know we
we would eat a lot of candy, you know, like
salt Orter taffy and baby were so I'm sure we
ate those and a lot of candy bars. You and
I would go down the seven eleven or the Little
General and walk down there if we had a couple
bucks in our pocket and go down there and hit
the candy store.
Speaker 6 (26:49):
You know, I would us so great. I would be
remiss Vic if I didn't ask you to reflect on
getting into wrestling with Terry. He talked in his book
about how really it started in some ways watching you know,
matches from Florida Championship Wrestling with you and then in fact,
it may have even been your father, right that took
took you guys to your first match.
Speaker 2 (27:07):
It was my father, you know a lot of times
he would say on TV that it was that his
father took us to the Matchless Pete hated wrestling mats.
It's uh, it was it was my father. My father
took us to the massive. We'd go to Fort Homer
Hesserley when we were young, and uh yeah, then Terry,
you know, he liked it and so did I and
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I remember I of course I tried to wrestle him
in the front yard and that was a mistake, I forget.
Two seconds later I was pen you know. And uh
he had a half brother. His name was Kenny, uh
Wheeling Wheeler, Yeah, Kenny Wheeler, and uh he he taught
me how to swim when I was like nine years
old over Treasure Island. I didn't know how to swim,
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but he taught me how to swim. So wow, that
was kind of neat.
Speaker 6 (27:53):
So you got so Pete hated wrestling. What do you
remember Pete saying about it? It's kind of funny that
his fun Son became the most famous wrestler ever.
Speaker 2 (27:59):
But yeah, yeah, I know, I'm not saying he hated it,
but I know he never really cared about it. You know,
he never really he had no interest in it. But
that way, you know, he didn't really you know, think
that was something great. My dad enjoyed it and we
go watch Haystacks Calhoun and Eddie Graham and all those guys.
And of course in high school, you know, we had
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quite a few guys that came out of our high
school that ended up becoming professional wrestlers. Brutus of Barbara Beefcakes,
of course, Terry and Mike Graham and uh, Steve Carr.
Dick Slater too, right, Dick Slater, Yeah, dirty Dick Slater.
He was in my pe class in high school.
Speaker 6 (28:37):
Dirty how dirty was vic?
Speaker 2 (28:40):
Yeah, that was his nickname because he was he was
a bad ombra in high school and nobody wanted to
mess with Slater in high school. He was a couple
of years ahead of Terry. But uh, I remember the
coaching in high school. Tom Man he uh he was
a football coach and he was about six five, about
two ninety and uh, he wanted Tory to come out
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for football because here it was a big, big played
offensive tackle and junior high. But Terry just didn't. He
didn't like coach Man. He wouldn't go out there. And
he coached Man chas him around, you know, scream add
him and everything else. But Terry said, forget that, I'm
not not doing it, so he didn't play.
Speaker 6 (29:19):
Terry tells the story of it. I don't know if
it was coach Man or if it was the wrestling
coach that they were so frustrated with him not wanting
to do a football or wrestling. At one time one
of the coaches said, come on, get over here. I'm
I'm gonna wrestle you and teach you a lesson. And
Hulk has a story of how he turned it around
and chicken wing the guy and almost broke his arm
off and sent the coach into a tail spin because
he got humiliated. Truth fiction.
Speaker 2 (29:40):
I don't know, yeah, I know, I know of one
thing and Terry, I don't know if it's a wrestling
coach or if it was coach I think it was
coach Man. You know we've had wrestling during pe class, right, Well,
he put the biggest kid against Terry. Uh you know,
and Terry was like a sophomore and put the biggest
senior in the class up on Terry, and Terry uh
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flipping the Pending. Of course, that pissed off coach Man
even more.
Speaker 6 (30:04):
You know, did you did you? Did you witness this?
Speaker 4 (30:08):
Vic?
Speaker 2 (30:08):
No, I didn't witness it, but I remember Terry telling
me about it, and uh yeah, he said, yeah, he
flipped and Pending. Then they took off run of coach.
Speaker 6 (30:21):
That's so when the football story is an interesting one
because another thing he says about his boyhood and I'm
not sure if you went to the same school as
him at this age, but he vividly remembers being sort
of forced to run around the goalposts and always being
that kid that was sucking wind and way behind at
the far end, and it being sort of like a
humiliating experience for him. Do you recall that whole thing, Well.
Speaker 2 (30:42):
Well, yeah, I went out. I went out for football
as a seventh grader in junior high. We played for
a coach by name Herman Valdez, and Terry was a
nighth grader and I was a seventh grader, and we
had two other guys that ended up becoming pastors uh
Donald and Ronald Satterwhite. They played little league ball too,
and they end up playing high school football and h
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we all went out for football and junior high and
they taught me into going out. I made it about
a week and a half and I quit. You know,
I was short and fat, and they put somebody up,
some big guy off on top of me and I'm
playing nose guard and they just pound me into the ground.
So I said, nah, I'm gonna stay bold.
Speaker 6 (31:23):
Yeah, bowling, I'd rather be the ball.
Speaker 2 (31:26):
Yeah yeah, exactly started to getting my but driven in
the ground. So uh yeah, I stayed with that.
Speaker 6 (31:34):
And you did see him get that workout that I
mentioned that kind of left him his tongue down on
the ground. He tells that story.
Speaker 2 (31:40):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, we both we hated to run, both
of us because we were overweight, you know, and uh
we were slow, and coaches there figuring, nay, we'll run
until we get that fat off of you, you know, right,
And so I that's that's what I'm sure that's what
happened with him too. I didn't happen to be there,
but I'm I'm sure I was. I'll be running right
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alongside in the couple of weeks that I went out
for football because we were towards the back of the pack.
Speaker 6 (32:07):
I don't know vic of this happened because of the
famed Sheriff's Youth Ranch that Eddie Graham was so involved
in Tampa. But somewhere along the way it started to
be written about Hulk that he went to the youth
ranch for like kids you know that got in trouble
when he was a teenager. And he also brought that up. Yeah, yeah,
And he also said there was the Christian youth ranch.
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I'm trying to figure this out.
Speaker 2 (32:29):
That's correct. There was a Christian youth ranch called called
the Youth Ranch. Now there was a Florida sheriff Boys
Ranch was Eddie Graham and that was for juvenile delinquents.
Terry would play guitar. We went over there and had
Bible study and saying Christian songs was on the leon
and the two brothers and the saturd White Twins, another
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kid named chit Yoakam who grew up in our neighborhood,
and Terry and I we would go to a guy
named Hanklein instrument ran it. In fact, my wife went
to it too and uh yeah. Not long after that,
after I think after he pinned Andre or he uh
it came out and one of those magazines said, yeah,
when he was younger, he went to the Florida sheriff
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Boys rants for juvenile delinquents. And I said something to
Terry about it. I said, I said, you saw that
arcause yeah, I said, He said, yeah, they kind of
missed out one, didn't I said, yeah, I think so. So.
Uh yeah, he was never a juvenile Lika.
Speaker 6 (33:28):
Right, It wasn't. He wasn't ever like forced into a
program to be reformed. Yes, very glad to get that.
Get that clarified. So I'm trying to picture you witnessing
him become the kid you hung out with, to become
this rocker, this hippie rocker. What was that like? And
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what what kind of crew did he run with? How
did he evolve into this guy that was, you know,
playing well bands?
Speaker 2 (33:56):
You know he in fact, both of us play. I
was I was gonna start playing drums and he was
going to play lead guitar. Well, same thing again. I
was playing for a little well and then I quit.
I'm in a bowl all the time. That's all I did,
was bull bo love it. And uh. In fact, Terry
watched me. I threw fifty strikes in a row and
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Terry watched. He talked about that one of the folks.
I he watched me throw fifty strikes in a row
one day, and uh, which is like back to back
to back, three hundred games. But I was I was
pretty young at that time. But uh, anyway, Uh, yeah, Terry,
Terry was playing playing the lead guitar. Then I quit
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the band. I didn't even get in the band, I quipped,
before be able to get into it. He played started
out playing in a band called Infinity's Inn and uh.
Then later on he started playing bass guitar. I was
trying to play bass ball. I quit that too. So
you know, my parents would give me lessons, give me lessons,
and I quit.
Speaker 6 (34:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (34:58):
They always just to say a little lady. They said, well,
he's out of practice. You know where he's at. He's
in Panoramas. You know, he's bowling. That's that's the way
I was at.
Speaker 6 (35:06):
So anyway, so did his personality changes he became a
band guy? Did you were you in friends with him
at that point?
Speaker 1 (35:14):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (35:14):
Yeah, yeah, we were. We stayed friends all along, you know,
he was. I didn't hang out with him as much
because he was a year ahead of me in school.
But uh, you know he played in the band. I
remember getting them the job out on the docks and
the shipping docks and you do it cold storage for
like five bucks an hour. And uh he uh he
was a checker and that's what I was too. The
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long showmen were there. They were all black guys and
the checkers were usually white guys. And uh I got
Terry a job. I knew the guy that was the
head of his gun in Langston, Duncan, who passed away. Now.
Uh so I talked to dunk and I say, hey,
you know I got my buddy here. You thinking, yeah,
no problem. So he got him, got him the job
at you to it as a checker, and uh I
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remember Duncan played, like he said, he played pro football
for the Colts, but I don't think so. I looked
it up and I didn't see his name rub on
him there. Yeah, I think so he Uh he would
he would. He played at Maryland, uh Eastern Shore and
uh but he was a big guy, a big strong guy.
And uh I remember one day I was a bunch
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of black guys standing around, and Duncan came over to
Terry and he was kind of blowing smoked up Terry's ass.
And finally Terry got tired of hearing it, and he
reached in his back pocket and he had like two
or three paychecks in his back pocket. He told me
about it. I wasn't there. He told me. He said,
threw it down on the ground. He looked at Duncan.
He said, if you're a man, a big man, go
for it. And uh, Duncan didn't, didn't move, and all
(36:43):
the black guys are standing there going ooh real quick,
And uh that's what I thought. And he reached out
and picked it back up and put it back as
wallet and went back to checking the boxes. You know. So,
uh yeah, I remember Terry telling me about that, because
Duncan was kind of a He was a nice guy,
but he was just he could be boisterous, a bragger. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
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Terry got tired of hearing it.
Speaker 6 (37:05):
You mentioned how most of the guys other Docks were black.
It got me thinking about, you know, when Terry went
through that thing with the racist tape. Yeah, they came
around the neighborhood and they were like because Terry had
said something on Good Morning America like where I grew up.
We threw that word around and people were like, not really,
what do you remember on that.
Speaker 2 (37:23):
Well, I remember when we were on the docks, everybody
threw it around. Oh yeah, no, I mean the black
guys stew it around, we food around. But there was
they knew, there was no intent. There was nobody. You know,
we had nothing against them. They had nothing against us.
In high school, you know that my senior year was
the first year that was forced busting. But we had
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a lot of black kids in Port Tampa, which was
just a little bit south of us, and we all
went to school together and we all got along great.
And my senior year, a lot of the kids on
the other side of the town came over and that
was another story. Of course, Terry wasn't there then. And
you'd see a white kid from South Tampa get into
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a fight with one of the kitchen and West Tampa
get into a fight, and you'd see a black kid
from South from Port Tampa jumping on the white kid's
side because they knew, you know, we were We all
grew up together. We you know, hung out and uh,
of course a lot of the black kids from the base,
you know, in the military. Uh, their parents were in
the military, so you know, yeah, so Terry, Terry had
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black friends and everything else there. And I still have
a very good friend with black you know, from my
senior he knew Terry. He used to go to Terry's
house and hang out, you know. So, yeah, that thing
about him being oasist and that was a bunch of crap,
you know. Uh And and that word was throwing a wend.
Back in the day, it was different, you know. They
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they'd say howkey, We'd say, you know, the end word,
and you know it's different. Yeah, yeah, exactly. You know
Cracker all that.
Speaker 1 (39:01):
He's a lapsed fan wrestling podcast with Jack and Carno.
Speaker 4 (39:05):
And JP Soo. He's the Lapsed Fan Wrestling podcast.
Speaker 7 (39:17):
You mentioned Kenny before, and I was curious how how
was he around frequently? Was did you did you see?
Speaker 2 (39:27):
No? Okay, no, not very frequently. He came in to
see Ruth. You know. It was his mother. Pete was
you know, a stepfather, he said, his father down the
Panama Canal Zone. That's where Pete met Ruth was down
in Panama can Nelson. Ruth was living down there, and uh,
Pete met her he was working on the canal zone
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and that's how the two of them got together. But
she was already uh divorced, I guess, and had Kenny
from a guy named Billy Wheeler. And so, yeah, Kenny
ended up. I knew that he was a He was
a pilot during Vietnam and flew a lot of missions,
I think, becoming either a colonel or general. I mean,
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he was a very nice guy. I liked him, but uh,
I don't know whatever happened with him and Terry. I
heard there's some things happening wh Terry was making a
lot of money, you know.
Speaker 6 (40:19):
Yeah, Terry said in his second book that you know,
he had hardly saw the guy, but then he hooked
up with him one time and he let him borrow
like five grand and yeah, and from there it was like,
you're going to pay him back? And Ruth was like,
are you going to pay him back? And he took
that personally, and then he never talked to me. And
I mean that's the story told.
Speaker 2 (40:34):
In the book at least. Yeah, Yeah, that's pretty much it,
you know, I know, I guess Sidney Lauper, I guess
she borrow some money from him too, and didn't pay him,
and he called her Sidney Slopper, you know for that reason. Wow, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 6 (40:47):
Uh was he was? He a ladies man. I mean,
I know he was awkward and weird and it was
as far as physics. But then you hear about these
girlfriends he had and I don't know.
Speaker 2 (40:57):
Well, he had a girlfriend, uh like towards like his
senior year, there was a girl. Her name was Brenda Woods.
Her father was a manager of the bullet center on
the base, and uh uh he did her for a while.
And uh then another girl named Debbie Smith's who lived
down the street. But uh, we were you know, he
and I both we had crew cuts and we were short.
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You know, he was short, but we're both fat. So
we went well popular with the girls. You know, I
never dated a girl all the way through high school.
But uh, you know I got out and I spouted
up and he wouldn't fat anymore. Didn't have a proof
that and it was, you know, came on at that point.
Speaker 6 (41:34):
Man.
Speaker 2 (41:35):
He remembers Sherry Nashburn. You remember Sherry Ma Serry Nashburn. Yeah,
her brother Steve died a few years ago. Yeah, they
lived down on Bay Shore. She had a sister named
Spooky Spooky nash Fur, and she was Terry's grade. She
was like the not homecoming queen. She was like the
Night of Nights queen. That was like the big dance.
She was that that queen shed long, long, straight hair.
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He liked girls from long straight here. I remember, that's
for sure.
Speaker 6 (42:01):
Yeah, that he said he would ride of them. He
said we would ride his bike to her house just
to get a look at her. He was obsessed with her.
I guess when he was when he was a kid.
Speaker 2 (42:10):
Yeah, yeah, she was pretty. I remember him talking about her,
and now she was a great ahead of me. So
I didn't really know her, you know, Yeah, I remember that.
Speaker 6 (42:19):
We've talked a bit about Pete who by the way,
this is this is true, right, It was Pietro really
his his his first name. Yeah, he was a junior.
Speaker 2 (42:30):
Yeh.
Speaker 6 (42:31):
What was Ruth like just you know, day to day?
What was what were her characteristics? What kind of mom?
You know? How how was she with Terry?
Speaker 2 (42:38):
Yeah she was you know, they didn't have to do
much with Terry. You know, he was always smart in
school and he wasn't a troubled kid. You know, Alan
was a little bit more of a problem than Terry was.
And uh, but Ruth was a stay at home mom.
You know she cooked. Of course, I ate there and
Terry come to my house and we eat both places.
That's how we got this heavy as we did. I guess,
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you know, Ruth would get some something like she just
get these little, these little steaks and uh cook them.
And of course then I'd get my mother to do
the same, you know, or Keebar cookies and uh the
chocolate ice cream, the sealed seal brand ice cream from
from uh when Dixie?
Speaker 6 (43:17):
Yeah, how how on the on the on the food front.
How hardcore was was Peter as far as an Italian?
Did he have a vineyard? Did he have purshoot hanging
in the basement?
Speaker 2 (43:26):
I no, no, nothing like that. He's a small house.
Speaker 7 (43:31):
A wheel of romano somewhere in the in the basement.
Speaker 2 (43:33):
No. Maybe, No. I don't remember Pete really eating a
lot of Italian food. I mean, I remember he liked
to drink his uh is ale. He liked to drink
his sherry, you know, like a wine. And uh. I
remember Andre, of course a lot of the restaurants I
saw him over Pete and Roos. I sit there at
the table with him, a little small kitchen, and I
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remember Bobby Heenan being in there, mean Jean and all
those different guys, and uh yeah, I remember Andre Pete
came over. He was at Terry's house, and uh, Andre
had this this wine and Pete drink some really strong sherry.
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And Andre gave Pete some of his wine and Pete
couldn't even drink it. I mean it was that strong drinking.
And he drink like a case of it, you know.
And of course a lot of the guys didn't want
to wrestle Andre because you know he'd get pretty well
torn up and you know he'd fall on and hurt people.
You know, that wasn't in the plan. And uh, in fact,
(44:36):
if you watch that that masch with Terry when he
when he body slams him earlier in the match, was
planning on he was, Yeah, he falls on he was
planning on on Penny and not penning, but he was
slamming him earlier in the match. And Andre loses his
balance and falls back on Terry.
Speaker 6 (44:54):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (44:54):
And so anyway, later on Terry gets in the position
and then here he puts his hand on Terry Stye
and then of course then he can push him on over.
You know. Yeah, I couldn't do it without that, you know.
Speaker 6 (45:06):
Did Terry talk about that slam as like, did he
suffer any injuries when he slammed.
Speaker 2 (45:09):
On he did? Yeah, he screwed up his back and
he ripped his back muscle and I think it was
probably a belta weight or something or his bice. Yeah,
he really messed himself up there. But I remember the
first time he ever wrestled Andre was in a battle
royal over in Saint Pete and Terry it's just getting
into wrestling, and they got him in like a twelve
(45:30):
man battle royal, and so he jumped up on Andrea's back.
He said, I felt like to fly on the elephant's back.
Speaker 6 (45:37):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (45:37):
He shipped me off like a fly wow. And that
was pretty wild.
Speaker 6 (45:42):
He had a very short lived introductory tenure in wrestling
before he took the mask off. He was called Super
Destroyer just for a couple of matches. Do you remember
any of that? Did you see any of that? That's
a very I appreciated part of his career.
Speaker 2 (45:54):
Yeah, I did not see it. I remember him telling
me about it. I remember him getting in the ring.
Of course, they pretty much had him as a job man,
jumping the ring and gets your butt kick and get
out of here, you know, that kind of thing. And
so that's how he started. But I think Eddie and
Mike Graham didn't really like Terry for whatever reason, and
that's when he left and because he could see he
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wasn't going to go anywhere there, and yeah, all the
things and all that. You know.
Speaker 6 (46:20):
Well, Terry's made comments in the past about like Mike
not having an issue with him in high school, but
they were far apart in grade. Do you remember was
there of a confrontation with Mike and Terry in high school?
Speaker 2 (46:30):
No, not that I never Terry never, I never heard
of any. Mike was a senior I think when Terry
was a sophomore, and of course Mike was short, you know, right,
And but of course Eddie was a you know, big
time wrestler. We all saw him wrestle.
Speaker 6 (46:48):
So you mentioned being at the table with these huge
wrestling stars, so that was a thing, huh. And when
I heard that, I was like, why would the wrestlers
go to his parents' house instead of Terry's house? But
they would come over Ruth and Pete's.
Speaker 2 (46:58):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, because Terry Jerry, uh, you know, they'd
come over and see Pete and you know, they enjoyed
talking with them. And Heenan was was a really good guy.
All these guys that were the heels, you know, they
were some of the nicest guys. You know. I remember
the great Malenko. In fact, at Terry's funeral, I saw
Dean Malinko there and I remember bowling with Dean and
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Jody Malinko. Their real name is Simon, Larry Simon and
uh they're He's from South Carolina, Moscow, Russia, right, so anyway,
and uh yeah, Larry was just this I worked out
of American Fitness with just the nicest, most gentleman you've
ever met, like people Ledge and uh Peter pa Tribula.
(47:45):
But anyway, uh uh yeah he and it was just
such a nice All those guys are really nice guys,
the heels, you know. And uh, I remember when Terry
introduced me to to Randy Tomaso and uh I said,
Terry said, hey, Randy, I want you to meet and
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meet a long time friend of mine, Vic Pettitt. And
I reached out of sugar his hand and hey, how
you knowing, you know, with the voice. And I thought
the voice was a gimmick, but it wasn't, you know.
And I remember one time car Yeah yeah, he played
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for the Tampa Tarkins, played the outfield and third base.
I think, uh, the Cincinnati organization. But uh yeah. I
remember one time I went to get Terry's Lincoln town
car and uh, the seat on the passer's side was
all broken back. And looked at Terry. I want to
get in the car, and I said, dude, what's what's
up your seat? Here? He goes, damn giant man. So
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the seat he broke it? Yeah. God. And I remember
one time when Terry was a heel. When you know,
he first started me wrestling New York, he was a
hell and uh, I don't know if you knew that,
but he was, oh yeah, wrestling and Madison Square gardens.
And he said, of course he'd you know, people come
up with programs wanting an autography, spit in him and throw
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him at him, and you know, stuff like that, just
anything in the world to piss them off. And he
had some of these people. They were so pissed off
at him. He said he had to tell the limo driver.
When he came out of the locker room to leave,
he told the limit limo driver, he said, hey, pick
me up on the other side of the arena. They're
probably fifty guys out there waiting for me. Man. So
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they picked him up on the other souther of east.
Of course, he drove by him and slipped him off
and going at levels amazing. Yeah, tell you one little
funny story. Uh, when I was when I was bowling
on tour in nineteen eighty seven, my last year, I
roomed with three guys that were from the Westbound beach
area and uh, we had bowled in Vegas a week before,
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and I called Ruth and I said, yeah, what's what's
carry up to? Well, he's going to l A uh Saturday,
And in fact, the Super Bowl was in LA that week,
and so I said, okay, great, I said. She say
he's wrestling the LA Sports Arena. I said, okay, cool.
I said, we'll go there and get up a tell
room early and hopefully we can walk up. And she said, okay,
(50:17):
I'll call him and tell him and let him know.
Of course, we didn't have cell phones this nineteen eighty seven, right,
So anyway, I tell these guys. I said, yeah, I
grew up with Terry. And they're like, yeah, you're full
of shit. You know, you grew up with hult Coke.
And I'm like, and you just that was eighty sevens
when he just, you know, just slammed on d it.
So he's at the top of the world, you know.
(50:38):
And so they're like, he didn't grow up with him,
you know this. And now I'm like, okay, I didn't expounded.
I said, okay, yeah, I can believe me. That's fine.
So and they were big wrestling fans. So anyway, about
about an hour later, the phone rings and it's Terry.
He and Brian Blair are downstairs in the Lumbo, and
(50:58):
I told him, I said, well, I'll go with into
the matches so you know, you know, and you can
stay here if you want. So now now they believe it.
Now they come down. Of course, then their eyes get
about like saucers, you know, they can't believe it. So
I told Terry we had an ugly duckling rental car,
a piece of junk cougar because he you know, we
couldn't get a rental car because the Super bowls there.
(51:20):
So I said Terry, you think my boys can follow
us to the matches, says sure, he said, I'll tell
the limo driver. So I get in the car with
Terry and Brian. We'll go to the mattress. And they're
following us. And of course they let the limo in
and limo driver tells them let the car and behind us.
So we go back in the in the back of
the arena, and I see Eddie Leslie brew us a
(51:42):
barber beefcake back there. And I knew Eddie real well,
and I yelled, I said, hey, Eddie, and of course
he yells men stops and turns and looks like who
knows my name? And he runs over and he hugs me.
You know, my boys are they're starting to freak out now,
they're like, man, this is for real. And uh so, anyway,
(52:02):
Terry wrestles Kamala you gunding giants and uh you know,
like four hundred pound guy, and he wrestles him. That night.
He's got packed house, like ten thousand people there, and
of course he slams him and he goes to his
you know, he's getnick you know, with a flexing and
all that, and he's coming from the ring back to
the locker room, and they've got it roped off petition,
(52:24):
you know, for him to come through there. And I'm
standing back about about six feet from the end of
the runway there where he's coming. And he spots me
and he throws his hands up in the air and
he runs at me, and he's acting like he wants
to punch me, you know. And I'm leaving that He's like,
come on, come on, man, you want some of me?
And my boys are going nuts, and people are there.
(52:45):
They don't know who I am. They're wondering where did
this guy come from? How did he get in the act,
you know. And so anyway, we get in the uh,
we get in the limo. We're leaving, you know, we
had to stop in the gas and this guy pulls
up the gas station. He goes, hey, you're all cover
and he goes, no, man, I'm an elephant jockey. I
don't know who you're talking to.
Speaker 6 (53:05):
Wow, what a full circle moment. You're there in the
audience as a as a and he and you got
to be part of the part of the show.
Speaker 2 (53:13):
Yeah, yeah, that was of first I went. I went
back backstage here in Tampa. A lot of times. I
went back in the locker roommitaria and I met Flair
and Sergeant Slaughter and different guys that he wrestled. You know.
He'd always introduced me to him, you know, and so
that's a lot of fun.
Speaker 7 (53:29):
That's amazing. Do you remember, like, when was the first
time you saw him wrestle?
Speaker 2 (53:37):
Ever? You know, I didn't, Uh, first time I ever
saw him wrestles on TV? I never saw him in person.
And I never saw him in person. Yeah, and uh,
I remember he'd go into his acts and uh, you know,
Terry was always a quiet, shy kind of guy, and
of course, you know, got on TV and it was
(53:57):
anything but that. And he told me, said, man, they
tell me, he said, I've got it down to a science.
He said, they tell me give me forty five seconds,
So they give me a minute. He said, I know
exactly in my head how long that's going to be,
and I know how to cut it off, you know.
So he would do his gimmick. And but yeah, he
was very smart. He's the one that came up with
the you know, walking to the Ring, which now baseball
(54:20):
and everything, the music and all that. Even when I
came up with that idea. He told Evince, he said,
may go to play I the Tiger. I'm going to
the ring because of the rocky maage.
Speaker 6 (54:30):
I'm glad you mentioned Eddie Leslie before quickly, because I
didn't want to ask you. Because Eddie played baseball too
in Tampa. I think even Wade Boggs was his teammate
or something like that, or his coach.
Speaker 1 (54:41):
And.
Speaker 2 (54:43):
Wade could have been he could have played on the
same team. Material I know Eddie and some of these
things said he played on the same team Mitery, which
was definitely not the case. Yeah, I mean he wasn't.
He wasn't there. He was younger. So but uh. In fact,
I remember introducing Terry to Eddie. I'm playing softball and
(55:04):
Terry's in the dug out and Eddie was in the
dugout and kind of introduced him to them, and before
we know, they're hanging out and oh wow, Picnic Island
they both down there, you know, because Eddie was a
pretty big guy there, you know, hitting some dinaball I
think back in the day.
Speaker 6 (55:20):
Oh absolutely, dina ball for sure. I mean Terry went
through all that, all that stuff, and you know, I
was I was curious because you know, he he clearly
partook let's let's say he was. Oh yeah, he had
the whole lifestyle. It wasn't just the guitar. He he
marijuana and stuff like that coming up in the seventies
and stuff with with those drugs around and the steroids
(55:40):
and stuff. You know what, what was his what was
his role in that scene. It's always been kind of
intimated that he was, you know, some of the guys
if they needed stuff, Terry could help him down there.
Speaker 2 (55:50):
Well then I didn't know. I know one thing. And
the first time I remember Terry's playing in a band
and he was he was he had been doing Donaball
and he's up about two sixties short, a big, big guy,
and he's got this red van with flowered curtains in
the back. Of course, he's got the platform tennis shoes on,
you know, about four inches high, which he really needed
(56:11):
at at six seven. You know. So he tells, he says,
come here, he says, I want to show you something.
I said, okay, what's that. I'm standing in his front yard.
He goes into this vand he comes back out. He's
got two little vials, yes, and he goes see these
He goes Terra bowling, that could drop and he goes
three hundred pounds world championship in my hand right here,
(56:31):
and I'm like, go for it, man, I said, I know,
you get up there and talk to the crowd and
everything in the band. I said, you're a smart guy,
and you're they're huge. You're a big guy. You know,
I said, I know you'll you'll get there.
Speaker 6 (56:45):
Yeah. So his thing was these will get me to
three hundred and then I can be a world champ.
Is that what he meant?
Speaker 2 (56:51):
Yeah, he felt it. Yeah, he believed it in his heart.
And I had I had no doubt that one thing
about Terry Ik. A lot of people probably didn't know
he had a birthmark. And it was like it looked
just like a little square really between like his finger,
his little finger and his ring finger, or it could
have been the ring finger and the bird finger, but
(57:12):
there was a square, brown birthmark there. And I remember
Pete saying, yeah, it's like a diamond, and it was
just perfectly square, and it was real small, and it
was just a birthmark. And I always thought that was
really unique, you know, kind of weird.
Speaker 6 (57:26):
Wow, that's that's an interesting detail. Yeah, That's probably something
that only his close as you know friends even new
with the muscle guitart stuff and becoming so big. He
talked about meeting Superstar Billy Graham, who of course was
a pioneer and being that big and I think you
guys even used to see him at the Hesterlely.
Speaker 2 (57:44):
Yeah, yeah, well he he wrestled, I mean, but he
would Terry would meet a lot of the wrestlers at
a place called the Imperial Room, yes, because after the
matches that's where they would all go. And that's where
Terry first met Billy Superstar Graham. And if you look
at Terry's career, he got to wrap like but Dusty
Rhodes and he got the roids and every getting real
(58:05):
big yep, like Superstar Billy Graham. So he was kind
of a combination to the two. And of course that
took him a long way.
Speaker 6 (58:11):
You know, was was Billy Graham someone you remember when
you went to the matches that he would be really
interested in, like what what wrestlers did Terry get the
most excited for when you guys went.
Speaker 2 (58:21):
Uh, you know, we just I don't remember anybody in
particular at the matches. You know, when we went to
the matches. We first we were pretty young then, you know,
we were like twelve thirteen years old. And then he
went again later on, you know, and got more involved.
I remember him. I think the first time he got
in the ring he told me this. I wasn't there,
(58:42):
but he had like a Hawaiian shirt and he was
already juiced up, and I think he'd already worked out
in Massuda and he jumped in the ring from the
crowd and I got them with a guy Buddy Wolf,
and uh oh yeah, so that's kind of how it
all startling for you know. Then he's the superstory. They
put the sock on them and you know, that was
that he said to me when we were working out.
(59:06):
He said, I'll tell you what he said. Work out
on me for about another month and he said, uh,
you know, I'll get you some little Blue Soldiers, which
was down the ball, sure and h you know, because
he was he was just getting into wrestling, and he said,
I can maybe get you in with me, you know.
And about two weeks later, I broke a city record bowling,
and uh I said, no, I'm I quit working out
(59:29):
and that was that was that.
Speaker 6 (59:31):
Yeah. Yeah, So so that must have been something for you. You
mentioned the Johnny Carson Show. That must have been something
for you, knowing Hulk's history with with the steroids and stuff.
To see him go in our Sineo in ninety one
and be on the hot seat. What do you remember
about that?
Speaker 2 (59:45):
Yeah, I remember sitting there watching all that stuff. You know,
say say your prayers, take your vitamins and all that, right,
And I'm thinking, yeah, okay, you know, I never say
that about it, but I knew about the vitamins, right, yeah,
you know, And eventually it all came out. I remember
nineteen eighty nine going to Trump Plaza when he wrestled
(01:00:08):
Mytt and Randy, and I was sitting in a motel
room with Randy and Terry before they got in the
ring and met WrestleMania five, and my mother and Pete
and Ruth. My mother went up there with them because
they were getting up in yours, you know, and and
uh so I sat in the room with the two
of them. Of course, you know, Terry's telling him, hey, look,
you know, do you en in the ring? You know
(01:00:28):
when you come off and give me the boot and
all that. You know, I knew it was going to happen.
So we're sitting up above, I'm sitting next to Jesse
the body, and I looked down the road and there's
Trump of his two sons there about eight seats down
the road. And I didn't think a whole lot of time. Okay,
he owns the place. He's a billionaire, you know, young guy.
And but yeah, I remember Terry sand to Randy because
(01:00:51):
he knew he was gonna you know, Randy was going
to take the strap. And he told Randy he said, look,
now you know you got your stash. I'd like to
smoke weed said, don't don't be h don't go in
the airport with it. He said, have somebody else carry
a stash, you know, because you only get popped. So
he was the first.
Speaker 6 (01:01:10):
Guy to do that for Terry. Was Tony Altamar, and
then it was uh, I think even Ed Leslie and
Jimmy Hart probably had a run with the Fandy pack
with the goodies in there.
Speaker 2 (01:01:18):
Oh yeah, yeah, yep, that's true.
Speaker 6 (01:01:22):
That was his that was his his thing. Do you
remember Tony at all? Tony Alami, No, I didn't know him,
couldn't know him.
Speaker 2 (01:01:28):
He was Ba. I met Bubba Todd Clym. I met him, okay,
And I remember when we first met him here in
Tampa and all these people saying, you know, they've been
best friends for years and this, and I'm like, he
just moved to Tampa.
Speaker 6 (01:01:43):
Man, you know what you can't tell about?
Speaker 2 (01:01:49):
Yeah, don't tell me. I remember one time I'm playing
a softball tournament in Tallahassee and uh, I remember this
guy was sitting there watching it on TV. I'm sitting
at a bar and because, oh yeah, man, he grew
up in Venice Beach, California. I looked at him. I
pulled out a picture of Terry and Ill. We were
like twelve. I said, no, dude, he never went north
(01:02:10):
of Jami Boulevards. Oh you know.
Speaker 6 (01:02:18):
We talked about those early days. And one of the
things that that caught my eye going through, you know,
him being mentioned before, he was he was already in
New York. He was already Hulk Hogan, but he wasn't
you know, the national pop culture sensation yet. And he
had a thing in nineteen eighty in New Jersey where
he was in the car with the Samoans and there
was a traffic stop and he had h Terry had
a gun on him. I think it was right right,
(01:02:40):
personal protection rest. Yeah, that was a little thing there
for him. And what was what was that would he carry?
Was he like worried about anything? Like what was that about?
Speaker 2 (01:02:49):
Well, you know a lot of times back in those days,
he was a heel, and you know, like I say,
some of those people, you know, he had to protect himself,
you know, And I'm sure that's probably why I remember
him telling me he should drive the Lincoln town Car
when he was wrestling up in Minneapolis, and he said
he would carry wood in the trunk because he said
he would go drive all night long. Of course sometimes
(01:03:10):
here in Minneapolis it's twenty blow zero. He said, Man,
if my car was stalled, I had to have some
wood in the trunk and I could light a fire.
Speaker 6 (01:03:17):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (01:03:18):
And I remember him telling me about that, and uh, yeah.
Speaker 6 (01:03:22):
He told a story about driving in the snow one
time when he was up there, I think with the
with with ed Leslie, and they found like this woman
who had been left on the side of the road
naked by another wrestler and essentially a blizzard, and they
took her in the car and saved her. And that
that was kind of an example of what the treachery
of the road there when he worked that area. Well,
(01:03:44):
i'll wrap it up here with with the great Vic
Pettit JP. You want to get one more.
Speaker 7 (01:03:49):
In for Vic or Well, I mean I was thinking
about the just when earlier, when you're talking about Ruth
and and and you know, uh with the did she
did as far as you know, did she have a
favorite wrestler who came to the house that she always
loved the most?
Speaker 2 (01:04:09):
No, not that I remember. I mean I know she was.
She She and Pete both like h They liked Heena
and they like her. Uh uh me and Gene open
you know they were they always liked them. In fact,
at Terry's funeral, Linda came in and I hadn't seen
Linda in twenty years. She was Terry was going to
set me up with her sister when he met California. Yeah,
(01:04:34):
she was. She was a knockout. And I told him
to say, now, brother, I'm I'm engaged to get married
my first wife. And uh, yeah, she's a little out
of my league. Man hang with her. But when I
saw Linda, she comes in, I'm there with my wife
and uh, I get in front of her, and I said, hey, Linda,
I don't if you're remember mayor now and she goes,
(01:04:55):
she looks, and she says, I know I should, She said,
I look so from there, I said, vic Petty. She says,
oh my god. She grasps me, she hugs me. She said, oh,
I remember you and you and your mother Lucky that
was my mother's real name, believe it or not, and
Ruthy and you know, sitting there and uh, you know,
talking and stuff. She said, I loved her mother, and
(01:05:16):
I loved her more than my own mother, you know
this and that. So, yeah, it was good to see London,
you know, I know, they they had their situations. Terry did. Yeah. Yeah.
In fact, Terry and I before, about two years ago.
I went over to see him one day and it
was just he and I in the house before he
met Sky, and we sat there and talked for five hours.
(01:05:38):
And he had told me had seen fourteen rustlers in
the locker room dead and a lot of things, so
he knew, you know, he wasn't going to live to
be old. But I don't think you saw this coming back.
Speaker 7 (01:05:48):
Yeah, anyway, did did you ever make it up to
Minnesota when he was up when he was working up there.
Speaker 2 (01:05:55):
I did make it up there. I saw the Bucks
play play the Vikings up there. I went to a
game up there because a friend of mine was letting
it living in Burnsville, Minnesota. But he didn't get a
chance to seem wrestle up there. But a few of
the guys that hung out with my buddy Mark, they
were big wrestling fans, and man, they loved Haulcogan. Now
they idolized them. You know, that was nineteen eighty I think, Yeah,
(01:06:19):
the Bucks, Tommy Kramer's and the Vikings and yeah, just lay.
Speaker 6 (01:06:22):
Down there with the books. Yeah, wow, so many, so
many to be Terry Bully's friend. It took you all
over the place.
Speaker 2 (01:06:30):
Oh yeah, yeah.
Speaker 6 (01:06:31):
I'd like to envic with that. That that that service.
You know, we've heard things about how it went and
what was said and the farewell to to Terry that
maybe there was even some some cross words said. I
don't know if there was a big scene. Just if
you could just give our listeners what you remembered about
that final goodbye to Terry.
Speaker 2 (01:06:51):
I didn't hear any crosswords. I know. Bess McMahon was
was great. He spoke very highly and triple ah. She
got up and spoke a lot. Of course, Jimmy Hart,
you know, obviously he spoke, and Nick gave a tremendous speech.
I told Nick, I said, man, I don't know how
you did it. Man. You know, I couldn't even speak
at my deads. You know, my mother just died in February.
(01:07:13):
And I tried to speak there and I fell apart.
It was too sensitive, you know. And but Nick, he said, yeah,
but he said, you should have seen me when I
was writing that speech. He said there was a terrorist
flying everywhere. But I said, well, you hung it together, brother,
And and uh yeah, Dennis Robin was there. He was
I was standing next to him at the casket. He's screaming,
(01:07:33):
I love your brother. You know, that's pretty crazy. But
I didn't hear any anything cross that I heard. Now
there there could have been that. I didn't hear it.
You know, I was, I was there, but I didn't
hear anything.
Speaker 6 (01:07:46):
That's that's fine. It was Dennis saying brother like with
that with a smile on his face. Or was he
like crying?
Speaker 2 (01:07:52):
Yeah, he was like I think he was like crying,
you know, sunglasses. But and then when they were pulling
Terry's cast, taking the cask it out down the middle
of the aisle. There I could hear him. I wasn't
I was towards the front. He was towards the back,
and I could hear him screaming there too, you know,
you know he took it hard. Yeah, Dennis is you know,
(01:08:15):
he's he's a he's a pretty good guy, you know,
and uh had different different cat but uh, definitely a
good guy.
Speaker 6 (01:08:23):
Do you remember any anything Vince said in particular?
Speaker 2 (01:08:27):
No, I remember he just going ho again, oh again,
get the wholew doing that, you know, and uh, you
know he just Vince Vincent Terry was were very close,
and uh, Terry made him a lot of money. Of course,
he made Terry a lot of money, you know. I know, Uh,
I guess Jesse had a big falling out with Terry
during the steroids thing, you know, worried about that anyway. Yeah, No,
(01:08:52):
Vince was very very appreciative of Terry, and so it
was shocked too.
Speaker 6 (01:08:57):
It was a nice service then, I mean, you look,
you look back on that warmly.
Speaker 2 (01:09:00):
Yes, absolutely. In fact, a couple of days later, Terry's
birthday was August eleventh, which was like you know, a
little over a week later, two weeks, I guess it was.
And Terry would always have karaoke at Hogan's hangout for
Monday nights. And Nick called me and said, hey, man,
I need you to come over. It's my dad's birthday.
(01:09:22):
I'm going to have a spend. I want to introduce
you and this and that. I said, okay, cool. So
I went there and I'm kind of sitting back in
the crowd, you know, and he says, I have a
special person I want to introduce and this and that,
and he says, bick, Betty has me stand up, and
he says, how long do you go back with my father?
And I just held up seven fingers, you know, and
(01:09:44):
go seven years old. Man. Yeah, And I've got the
first hul Cogan autograph has signed Terry Bully on the
newspaper article when we were eleven years old. I showed
that in the Netflix documentary. He just signed it in pencil.
It's very light, but you can definitely see it. And
so yeah, I never, you know, never want to ask
(01:10:07):
Terry for anything, you know, he was I said, people
all the time asking me, you know, can you get
me this? Can you get me that. I did get
a few autographs for a couple of friends of mine
towards you know, years later. But I was even reluctant
to do that. You know, I just here was my
close friend, because I had all kinds of people saying, man,
I want to meet him this and that, and I said, well,
(01:10:29):
go to hold his hangout. That's all I can tell you. Yeah,
you know. And when my wife and I went in there,
the guy it's like twenty dollars cover charge, and I'm like, no, no, man,
you got to look up there, the big man. I'm
not paying twenty bucks. I'm ge up with Terry. So
he looked up there, and of course Terry saw me
and he waves the security guy like bring him up here.
(01:10:50):
So the guy brings me up to like the front whoa,
and Terry said, no, no, no, not there. Put him
and his wife up here on the stage with me.
Wow in sky. So we sat there and that's the
last time I saw Terry alive. I talked to him
when he was in the hospital. He said, give me
a get me a big man chair. Brother, you know,
I'll pay you for us. I'm like, Terry, worried about
(01:11:11):
you paying me? Brother, what do you want? What do
you mean, I'll get it because I'm in the medical
business and I helped people with disabilities, motorized mobility. In fact,
Richard Slater got a motorized wheelchair from the company I
worked for. But I've had people with a LS.
Speaker 6 (01:11:27):
And so he wanted you to hook him up with
something to comfortable.
Speaker 2 (01:11:33):
Yeah, a lift chair. In fact, I got Pete one
because Pete couldn't stand up from a Chairry that strokes
and Ruth was having to pull him up. And I
remember when I got him that lift chair and uh,
it was standing him up and Ruth Pete thought that
was the greatest thing he's ever ever made, you know,
getting up out of the chair to his walker did.
(01:11:53):
And I remember I remember one other thing Pete. When
Pete was dying, because I'd seen in the hospital many times,
see to the home own hospice, and Terry called me
and he said, he said Pete's not going to be
around long. He said he's stayed and quit. So I
went over. I saw Pete. He was in the back
room there at the house, and I kissed him on
the forehead and told him I love him, you know.
(01:12:16):
About two hours later.
Speaker 6 (01:12:17):
Go, oh yeah, and to talk to you vic. I
realized that you guys actually got pretty close with his folks.
Speaker 2 (01:12:25):
It sounded like, oh yeah, no doubt about it. Like
I said, they were like, you know, parents to me
and vice person. You know, my dad paid one hundred
dollars for us to join the Boy's Club, for me
and for him. I remember the first time when I
first met Terry. I'm sorry, I'm just rambling on. No. Uh,
when I first met Terry, we were going to go
(01:12:47):
my parents were going to take me to the Florida
State Fair, which was a big deal. And my dad,
Terry's standing there with me, and my dad asked, Terry said, hey,
ask your dad if you can go to the fair
with us. And Terry said, and my dad, he said, well,
my dad's a construction worker. He doesn't make much money.
And my dad looked at him and said, I didn't
ask how much money your father made. He said, I
(01:13:07):
just asked you to go home and ask your dad
didn't go with us, And of course he did, and
he went with us. And if you know, if they
handed me a dollar, they had a Terry a dollar.
It was just you know, he was like this a brother,
I mean like another son, And I said, we joined
the boys club at nine years old. It was one
hundred dollars and my dad paid for both of us.
And you know, anyway, I could go on for three
(01:13:30):
days with all stories.
Speaker 7 (01:13:31):
You know, I was just curious, though, you know, you
mentioned Jesse even earlier. Did you ever you know the
falling out? Did you ever hear about the the unionization
of wrestlers that kind of was a big you know,
it's supposedly a big issue between the two of them.
Speaker 2 (01:13:49):
Yeah, I saw it on the Vince mcman's you know,
that's all I know. I didn't know about it before.
Ye when I saw him in eighty nine at wrestling
at five, he was sitting right next to me, and
I remember, I mean, girls were just you know, crazy stuff.
You know, We're in the limbo and these girls are
pulling full their tops up and sticking them in you know, windows,
(01:14:13):
and Kerry looking at he goes, hey, man, I see
this stuff all the time. It's crazy, you know. Well,
of course there's a lot of stories I can't tell, but.
Speaker 6 (01:14:21):
Yeah, I can hear. You go up to the line.
I didn't want to pretymaturely interrupt you there, but I
just respect that. I mean, some things have to I'm
sure you'll learn the term k fabe at one point.
Speaker 2 (01:14:30):
Right, Vic, Oh yeah, yeah.
Speaker 6 (01:14:33):
With Terry asked you to k fabe sometimes when someone
entered the room.
Speaker 2 (01:14:37):
Yeah. Yeah, all right, we'll leave that there.
Speaker 6 (01:14:42):
Last one for you, Vic, And again we and our
listeners cannot thank you enough for taking the time to
really set down this perspective, this one of a kind perspective.
I think now that we've learned so much about how
close you too really were that you had on him,
could you take us to when you found out that
we lost Terry and and the emotions we're looking back
on it. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:15:03):
Yeah. That morning i'd been texting Nick and Nick was
telling me, oh, yeah, he's doing better. It's a slow process,
but he's doing better. Well. That Wednesday night, I text
Nick at eight thirty and I said, how's he doing well?
He text me back, but I didn't see it until
the next morning when I woke up about eight thirty,
and he had text me back and he said, you know,
(01:15:24):
it's a slow process, but he's getting there and he's
coming along and hopefully you'll be able to see him soon. Well,
I text him back at nine thirty. Okay, brother, I
hope to see him soon, glad to hear he's doing better.
And then all of a sudden, I get a text
from a friend of mine that I used to bowl
with on the tour from Detroit. He sends me a
(01:15:45):
text message, say, is it true about Terry? I'm like what.
I turned on Fox TV and they're announcing it, and
I tell my wife. She screams, oh my god, no,
you know, And of course I I just fell apart,
you know, yeah, I mean it blew me away, no
doubt about it. It's I'm still kind of, you know,
(01:16:10):
shocked by it, you know, of course, you know.
Speaker 6 (01:16:13):
We we all are as fans, as people became addicted
to wrestling because of his charisma, you know, and those
it was it was a sort of like there was
life before and after this day.
Speaker 4 (01:16:26):
You know.
Speaker 6 (01:16:26):
It's kind of feels that way in some ways. So
what what What do you hope people know about Terry
that they might not have been able to appreciate just
watching him on TV all those years.
Speaker 2 (01:16:38):
Well, like I said, he was, he was a good guy.
Sometimes they painted stories about him which more accurate, you know, uh,
And uh, you know, he did his job. He did
it obviously very well. Now, he wanted to become the
greatest wrestler ever, you know, like Tad Williams wanted to
be the greatest hitter ever. Well, Terry wanted to be
the greatest wrestler. And he did. You know. I mean,
(01:17:01):
everybody it's been around wrestling for years knows it. You know.
He he took wrestling to a totally different platform. The
investment manned together and uh, yeah he was. He was
a good guy and a very good friend. And I don't
want to get too emotional here, but.
Speaker 6 (01:17:20):
Yep, well you paid a wonderful tribute to the man
and helped the sea sides of him we never would
have seen otherwise. So we thank you so very much
for the time, Vic and all the best to you.
Speaker 2 (01:17:31):
Thank you. I appreciate it, and uh hope hope your
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