The Complete Hulk Hogan | Under the CineMat Ep. 156: The Incredible Hulk TV Pilot (1977) Part 2

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:01):
Lapstan Wrestling podcast.

Speaker 2 (00:03):
Principal photography began in May of nineteen seventy seven. Could
not find exact dates, could not find much. Actually like
this was to me. It shows that there was so
little faith in this project that nobody fucking cared about it.

(00:24):
Nobody wrote anything about it. There was nothing there, not
even in variety, there was nothing, nothing about it. I've
never I've never seen this little amount of a dearth
of yep of like hype, yes, when it came down
to it, But I'm talking about in terms of production,
in terms of saying, hey, you know, we're gonna do
a fucking incredible haul. We got Bill Bixby, we got

(00:44):
Loo for rig Now it's gonna be huge. Nothing like that.
Although actually I should say when at this point, you know,
didn't have Lou yet. That came later, But I did,
you know, I did want to ask I want to
ask Ken Johnson a question, and I said, you know you,
I said, Ken, you clearly have disdain for comic books

(01:05):
and whatnot. And I get that, and I get you
had a particular vision as to how you want to
do this show, and you know, make it the least
bit comic bookie as possible, but I kind of tell
can you tell us? Please tell me? And Jack, was
there something else that made you want to do this pilot?

Speaker 3 (01:22):
I talked to Frank and he agreed to let me
take a run at it this way. CBS had agreed
to order two movies, the one that would be a pilot,
which is the one we shot here, and then a
second one to sort of set up where we were
going with the series. So I agreed with Frank that
I would take on the Incredible HOWK pilot, but I
told him that I wanted something in return that would
be very different from the sort of larger than life

(01:44):
science fiction pieces that I had fallen into doing It
always amused me. I was trained in the classic theater
and in Shakespeare and Strenberg and Ibsen and Pinter, and
you know, you work on the six million dollar man,
you create look at those seventies close, and you create
a bionic woman, and you do the Incredible Hulk, and
pretty soon the die is cast and people think that's
all it is that you do. So I was anxious

(02:06):
to do something in return that would be different, and
we agreed to do a mini series based on Walter
Scott's Ivanhoe.

Speaker 4 (02:15):
Yeah, people remember that to this day because you know,
you know why they remember it because it never got made.
Guess who got used, Kenny. Guess who got used Kenny. Yes,
the only thing people know about you is Kenny. Those
three fucking shows, Kenny, your sci fi shit. Nobody cares
about your classicalness whatever. Who's in his mind that he's

(02:36):
trying to impress from his his prior life by doing
an Ivanhoe mini series. God, there's some professor that he
never felt like gave him as just due or or or.

Speaker 2 (02:46):
The thing is, there's there, there is some who like,
there are people who told him that you are this
kind of guy. Oh, you know you you're you're beyond
Hollywood fluff. You are such a you know, you're deeper.
Fuck yeah, a deeper filmmaker. I know he does. Someone
gast him up. Yeah, listen, don't Okay, I'm going to
tell you right now. I have no doubt that fucking

(03:08):
Ken Johnson in his childhood home had a box of
fucking comics underneath his bed. Okay, don't fucking tell me
he didn't, because he's a fucking liar. If he says that,
all right, don't fucking start New York Times service, the
news service, they did announce that Bill Bixley was coming

(03:30):
back to television on May twenty ninth, nineteen seventy seven.
Bill Bixby is coming back to the Tube agin as
comic book character to the Hulk, the one time quote
magician of TV is before the universal cameras for the
beginning of production for two for two hour movies in
which he'll be transformed when it comes when it becomes
time to set out against the forces of evil, from

(03:51):
a mild manner doctor to a towering giant who will
actually be portrayed by giant sized actor Richard Keel. Yes,
even in the newspapers, Richard Keel was announced to be
a never knew this, yeah only yeah, no, no, no
Igno or Bust. Nope, it was Richard Keel first or bust.

(04:12):
And actually, you know, there's one shot still of Keel
in the movie, one shot, but you wouldn't even know. Honestly,
it's a it's a it's an overhead shot and you know,
like the camera pulls up, it's a you know, you'd
never know, you'd never know, right, never never know, never know?
Uh ken Ken Another question, just Chris how did it

(04:33):
take you to film the pilot.

Speaker 3 (04:35):
The entire pilot I believe was shot in about eighteen days,
which is incredibly fast for a pilot. Nowadays, a two
hour pilot, you know, we'll go to twenty five days
or more. But we didn't have that kind of time
or money. The budget on the picture was about a
million three million four which was you know, healthy at
the time twenty five years ago. Nowadays it would barely

(04:55):
pay for the craft service and the food at the
craft service table. But we were working within the you know,
the established rules of the studio at that time, and
the budget levels that they were comfortable with. Working with
my assistant director, Tom Blank and Ralph Saraego, the production manager,
I had put together a schedule that allowed us to
shoot what we needed to in the amount of time,

(05:16):
although there were a lot of tough days. I mean
this day, for example, it was like we shot eight
and three eighths pages, which included all of these scenes,
plus the shot that you've already seen of Vick's driving
in the rain and the poor man's process shot. It's called,
of course poor man's process because instead of driving with
a green screen or a big process rear projection screen

(05:38):
behind them. You just sort of turn the lights out
and wave lights at them and pour a rain on
them and hopefully that hopefully nobody notices.

Speaker 2 (05:46):
But I kind of want to stop you for one second, okay,
just because I want to tell Jackson a why do
you know? Do you know we're talking about with the
poor man's process shot?

Speaker 4 (05:54):
I kind of followed, Yeah, so he has a way
of making me non interested.

Speaker 2 (05:57):
I know he really does. So usually it's a it's
a night if you have someone driving at night. Now, actually,
I want you to look. I want you to watch,
especially if you watch an older you know, movie from
the eighties or nineties or even before then, okay, or
a TV show. If you look at look at a show,
look at a scene where people are driving at night,
and I guarantee you more often than not, they're in

(06:23):
a studio and they're just using light techniques, lighting techniques
to kind of make it seem like they're moving. Like
there'll be a you know, to do to do overhead
street lights. They'll have like a light on a on
like a swivel and just keep rotating it around so
you see the light reflect off of the uh off
their faces or off that they'll even have I've done

(06:46):
this before. I've done it before, where you have you
basically create a fake uh uh like grill of a car,
and you put two giant flashlights for headlights, and you
kind of have it move around stuff behind it to
make it seem like there's a car moving there. And
you know, you add sound effects and specially that at
you put rain or whatever, and you can make it

(07:06):
look pretty convincing. All things considered, it is remarkable. But
I know he does just kind of want to. I'm
glad to know that's what that meant. I didn't really
know that. Yeah, but I know he's got ken. You
got more, I understand, Howard Schwartz, No, not that one.
Here we go, but we all do it.

Speaker 3 (07:23):
The even big features with multimillion dollar budgets off and
we'll jump in and employ the poor man's process to
get it done as quickly and easily as possible. My
longtime attorney and dear friend, Charles Silverberg, was on the
set of Star Wars in England where one of his
clients was involved, and he was watching them do the

(07:43):
scene where ce Threepo was in pieces on the back
of the Wookie, and they had made this complicated radio
controlled rig to operate the arms of c Threepo so
that he could be motioning while he's being carried around
on the Wookie's back, and none of the radio control
stuff worked, and they ended up just doing it with
wires that went around to the front so that the
fellow playing the Wookie could move it. And Chuck so

(08:04):
he couldn't believe it, He said, a multimillion dollar project
and here it was with like spitting baling wire And
I said, Chuck, it's how we make movies.

Speaker 4 (08:12):
Oh, man Land, is that plane make movies?

Speaker 2 (08:16):
Indeed?

Speaker 4 (08:17):
You know, I just have to say, did he mention
craft services because it's not about food? Did he mention
the way to think about how far a million goes? Yep,
in the context of food, because it's not all about
food as far as proving us right, I mean, at
this point, if you watch wb programming on like USA,

(08:39):
like snackdown, you will literally get interested. Did you say
snackdown or smacksmell, Well, it should be called snackdown because
you get ads. I mean, they're like little thirty second
vignettes of Bronze Stroman eating a Chicago dog.

Speaker 2 (08:53):
You're gonna tell me one?

Speaker 4 (08:55):
Well, yeah, for the sake of he advertised, Yeah, he
goes all around and eats shit, and that's the show.
Are gonna tell me it's about food. Get the fuck
out of here.

Speaker 2 (09:04):
Oh my god, I fucking love it. Although I love
that he says he's not a sci fi nerd. He
fucking he doesn't call it chuwboc. He calls it a wookie.

Speaker 4 (09:12):
Yeah, wooky, and Ivanhoe is kind of like the sci
fi nerd medieval predecessor, you know, just Renaissance fair kind
of shoot because you want to be a little careful, Ken, Ken, Ken,
you're a fucking comic nerd. Okay, man, you just don't
want to admit it. You're just are scared to admit it.
I don't know why you want to fight me about it.

Speaker 2 (09:33):
I know, seriously, Ken, Who Who's Who's your cinematographer? By chance,
Howard Schwartz was my cinematographer on this. Howard had been
an assistant cameraman for Greg Toland on Magnificent Amberson's back
in the forties, and I had done a lot of
television and futures.

Speaker 1 (09:53):
He did have gun will travel.

Speaker 3 (09:55):
In the Blackman TV series and rich Man poor Man
and went on to do a Wolf and such after
this a pilot for me also called Cliffhangers, A wonderful
big close up here to draw us into this and
a little fast move into a two shot to emphasize
the that something's cooking here. Okay, Howard and I from

(10:17):
the beginning decided we wanted to have a feature of
theatrical look on this. We were using slight filtration, a
quarter double fog generally on most everything, and some nets
in front of the camera to just give some softness.
And there's a music here that takes us to commercial
if I've.

Speaker 1 (10:34):
Ever heard one.

Speaker 2 (10:36):
Now, as a director, Ken, how do you how do
you determine the shot you want to design?

Speaker 3 (10:43):
As a director, I'm always trying to find the shot
that's going to enhance the scene. To me, it's very
important that we first determined what the point of the
scene is and then we figure out how we're going
to shoot it that's going to most emphasize that point.

Speaker 1 (10:56):
It's it's very organic.

Speaker 3 (10:58):
It comes, I suppose from my theatrical train that's to
Carnegie Mellon uh formerly Carnegie Tech No. One Mellon always
has to be like something to eat with pro shudo.
I haven't gotten quite used to that.

Speaker 4 (11:10):
Okay, you want to fucking you want to take a
shot at me, You want to take a shot at winning?

Speaker 2 (11:16):
You old with kend of Johnson.

Speaker 4 (11:18):
You're gonna fucking do that after I decided you were
a douchebag. Oh god, we can talk. Oh by the way,
because it's not all about.

Speaker 2 (11:26):
Food and Ken, just for just for the record, what
uh what's your favorite angle for the camera?

Speaker 1 (11:36):
I tend to put the.

Speaker 3 (11:37):
Camera a little bit low more often than not too
I think it makes for more interesting camera angles.

Speaker 2 (11:43):
All right, interesting.

Speaker 4 (11:44):
Interesting Mine was when the horseman locked Dusty in the
cage broke his mind's this.

Speaker 1 (11:49):
This is an example of a Dutch angle.

Speaker 3 (11:51):
Because of the canted angle of the camera, it remains
interesting to watch.

Speaker 4 (11:56):
And somehow, somehow, Ken Johnson sounds a lot more legit
when he goes on and on about angles and that
guy did.

Speaker 2 (12:03):
I can I one last question? So, I mean we
were talking about it here the Laps fan. We always
say it's all about food. So my question is when
it comes to food props used in your shows, such
as perhaps sandwiches, do you do you have any preferences
for that.

Speaker 3 (12:19):
I always have them used for props sandwiches that I like.
I'm a big fan of turkey sandwiches on whole wheat.
I asked my dear friend Rick Denary, who was the
prop master on the piece, and Terry Adams, his assistant props.

Speaker 1 (12:31):
I say, I think Bill would probably like a turkey
on wheat.

Speaker 3 (12:34):
And they bring a couple of songs, so in any
of my films, whatever they're eating, you can figure that.

Speaker 2 (12:40):
I you know, uh it.

Speaker 1 (12:41):
At some point too, I was like.

Speaker 4 (13:02):
I'm so glad because a minute ago, I was like,
do I really insist on bringing it back to his
remark about craft services?

Speaker 5 (13:08):
Like?

Speaker 2 (13:09):
It was like, you know, four minutes it passed, Do
I really fling it back? I was like, I was
like giggling.

Speaker 3 (13:15):
And.

Speaker 2 (13:17):
Play it again, play it again now.

Speaker 3 (13:20):
I always have them used for props sandwiches that I like.
I'm a big fan of turkey sandwiches on whole wheat.
If I asked my dear friend Rick Denary, who was
the prop master on the piece, and Terry Adams his
assistant props, I said, he I think Bill would probably
like a turkey on wheat and they bring me a
couple extra ones. And so in any of my films,
whatever they're eating, you can figure that I, you know,

(13:41):
grabbed it at some point too.

Speaker 4 (13:47):
I am just I am just blowing, right man. I
feel so vindicated. I feel so affirmed in this moment.
I mean, come on, boss.

Speaker 2 (14:00):
To really bring the heat like that.

Speaker 6 (14:06):
The fuck.

Speaker 7 (14:07):
You know.

Speaker 2 (14:07):
So, I'm sitting here, I'm sitting here, I'm walking, I'm
listening to this fucking commentary track all right as I'm
as I'm putting shit together, and then he then he
talks about Carnegie Mellon and he fucking says the pershudo saying.
And I was like, what the fuck, Like he actually
said that on a commentary track, and I was like,

(14:27):
oh my god, oh shit balls.

Speaker 4 (14:30):
It's been a while since I got smacked in the
face like that on a podcast, oh my. And you
know interesting, I think the reason it's on my mind
is because, like we posted our show going to the
TD Garden for Johnson his last Boston resting appearance, and
we went to the Caloon afterwards, you know, because that's

(14:51):
where wrestlers go, but of course.

Speaker 2 (14:52):
It's closed to the public.

Speaker 4 (14:53):
It's like eleven thirty at night, and every other comment
on the episode is like, shit, they didn't go in
and get some food.

Speaker 2 (14:59):
I want to. They just want us to eat the food.
They didn't care about John Seen, and they didn't care
that we're fucking there. They want to They want us
to do like a fucking food review.

Speaker 4 (15:07):
Oh god, I know what, and you know what I
had done it if it was Ibens, for sure. But
that's it, man. People are there for the food. There
are food reactions, you know. That's like a whole industry
on on on Instagram now and take tik for sure.
It's look, folks, I mean every vacation you've had, you
remember the meals. The meals are the anchor to your day.

(15:27):
And if you choose wisely, it's a good day. If
you choose poorly, it's a bad day. You tell me,
it's not all about food. Come on, folks, and we're
a week away from from the sandwich. Dude, I just
thought about that today. I'm like thinking of my head.
When's the right time to ask them to lay it
all out. I'm just saying. The Survivors series live fall
here on Patreon. It's a Saturday after Thanksgiving Oh listen,

(15:47):
you're gonna all I'm saying, I guarantee you I'll be
at least two in by that point, two sandwiches in
at least and I think you might have to record
yourself sizzling. Oh yeah, some things too. I mean several
years ago we did it. We made it together. Well,
I watched you make it.

Speaker 2 (16:08):
Was that before or after we fucking saw Undertaker's Dead
Man Bitch Show?

Speaker 4 (16:12):
Oh, good question. I think it was just before we
took off for for that, for that, for that night.

Speaker 2 (16:16):
Yeah, yeah, he was in you know he actually if
we if we ate beforehand, then he was in a
no win situation. No way, he was done downhill. Yep,
it's all downhill after that. H Okay. So now I
was thinking about Cranberry showing forth cranberry and and and
potato find its way down the stuffing exactly exactly what

(16:39):
that little bit of Manny's I'll tell you nothing. There's
something so magical about Manny's and a little bit of
a little bit of and and and cranberry sauce like
that sweet savory is just so.

Speaker 4 (16:53):
I mean, it sounds like Ken Johnson would have been
a fan of the sand.

Speaker 2 (16:56):
I think he would have been. He's there. I know,
he's almost I don't know, it's a whole wheat, but
you know, it's fine, whole wheat. But it's fine. It's fine, Kenny,
I understand. It's almost like I mean, we say say terrible.
That is how he says Hulk Hogan. True. Now, there
is a concern in regards to Farigno and actually in

(17:19):
regards to the Hulk as well. Overall, so including Richard
Keel making the Hulk green, because it's not like he's
in a costume and has to just have a green face.
He's gonna have a green body. You know, he's basically,
you know, in wrestling, he's in John Cena attire. Essentially,
you know, he's wearing you know, georts in some in

(17:41):
you know, you know, their their pants, their torn pants.
But essentially he's got as much bare skin as John
Cena does. And uh, you got to make that green.
And here's Kenny again. Ton even asked him this question.
This is Kenny talking about oh, you know, it's not
even that that whole thing. This is a different interview

(18:02):
him talking about the development of the look of the Hulk.

Speaker 3 (18:07):
There was no green makeup available, and we finally found
some in Germany, and it was grease paint, as opposed
to the pancake makeup that people use most generally.

Speaker 2 (18:17):
In grease and pancakes.

Speaker 3 (18:19):
There we go film and television. The difference is that
grease paint is waterproof, which is nice if you happen
to be in the water, but it also is grease
and it comes off on everything. I have sweatshirts upstairs
that still have smudges of green where I bumped into
lou f Forarigno, you know, thirty years ago, and everybody
on the crew, I guarantee you has clothes that are

(18:39):
like that. And it was it was a nightmare because
Louis first had to get the prosthetic makeup put on
that was designed by Werner Kepler, and then he would
have to get the green makeup on top of that,
and then he would get you know, this wonderful wig
that we never never got right. I was always so
frustrated no matter what we do it and did, it
ended up looking like a fright wig. And then he

(19:00):
had to get the body makeup, which took two people
half an hour forty five minutes to put on every day,
and that long to take off, and he had to
be cleaned up between each between each take, and it
came off in his dressing room. His whole inside of
his motor home was completely covered in plastic because we
had to be able to hose it down every night
and start over.

Speaker 2 (19:21):
The next day. That crazy, Yeah, that is just ending
a lot of work. It's a lot of work. And
here's Lou. This is Lou talking about what the process
was like for him.

Speaker 8 (19:30):
No, it's about three hour. Makeup costs said that they
applied the forehead and nose, peet, they applied the grease
makeup and the face took an an hour and a
half and then the body took like another hour and
a half and you had to wig the eyes and teeth.
You talk about three to three and a half hours,
if not more. It took an hour to take it off,
and sometimes you have to take it off four o'clock
in the morning, sometimes six o'clock in the morning, some
time one o'clock in the morning, depends on the film

(19:52):
it's schedule. But you know when the makeup was completed.
I love three in the characterip, but to take it
off with the fun part because it was over It's
hard to stay in shape because I had a train
maybe after I fielm because sometime they be filming. I
told at fourteen hours, I would train maybe once or
twice a week, and on weekend I would definitely train
because I had the weekend off. I did most of

(20:13):
the sun myself. I would say ninety ninety eight percent
of the sun out there myself. It's hard to replace
me as a sunman because of my physique.

Speaker 2 (20:21):
It was fun.

Speaker 8 (20:22):
We're going through a window, I mean, jumping out of
you know, off scaffolds and everything, you know, sometimes could
be a little and the tracking.

Speaker 4 (20:32):
Yeah, Vic Grimes there mentioned John Cen. I mean Hulk
is kind of closer to Scena than Hogan in some
ways because you've got jorts on.

Speaker 2 (20:41):
Yeah, right exactly.

Speaker 4 (20:43):
That's fascinating. And just to have so little in the
way of modern convenience when you have to sit there
for hours getting your name. You don't look at your phone,
there's no there's probably no television. Nope, you know, with
the signal hooked up, that's.

Speaker 2 (20:56):
Probably have one event. We have a radio going. I
bet there's music playing, and that's not it. That's all
you get.

Speaker 4 (21:00):
Oh, you're just sitting there for hours.

Speaker 2 (21:03):
Awful. Yeah, I mean especially back then too, It's like
that's that's also you know, even back then it's you know,
that's even long too, like you know, you didn't have
that kind of process really to have that much on
a TV show, especially on a TV show of all things.

(21:23):
You know, it's great about it.

Speaker 4 (21:24):
It's like everyone involved knows that if we're going to
do this, it's going to be a huge investment of
time and money, so we better make sure that the
costuming is worth it for the show, for the series,
for what we're trying.

Speaker 2 (21:37):
To get across.

Speaker 4 (21:38):
You can't you can't be frivolous about it. You can't
be you know, willy nilly about your special effects because
it took so much time and money. They better add
to the fucking production or it's wasted money. Whereas now
I feel like you can just take flyers on all
kinds of wacky shit in a movie and it's like, eh,
you know it was it was a good try to
make it more interesting visually. But if it doesn't work,
we didn't you know, with a I we probably a

(22:00):
single dime on it.

Speaker 2 (22:02):
Sad exactly.

Speaker 4 (22:03):
It used to mean something that when you watched a
show like this, you knew that Lou Forigno and reality
went through a hell of a lot yep, to look
like that.

Speaker 2 (22:11):
Yeah, there's a there's, there's and there's and there's there
is something you know because it's because it's it's it's
it's a real person. It's not computer generating, right, it's tactile.
It's it's you know, there's and and that. Actually, it's
a great segue to the next thing that we're going
to talk about. Because there is no CGI. There is

(22:32):
no way to watch a Bill Bixby transform into uh
a loof Forigna without cutaways, without cutting into other things
and and trying to you have to create the idea
that he's changing because you can't physically show that he's
changing because there's analogies. Yeah, well, now you mean you

(22:54):
don't have to be creative about it at all. You
watch it. I mean you can watch you can see
the bones growing and stuff like that, all because of
the CGI and whatever great point any of the Marvel
movies you watch now, and I'm not trying to take
anything away from it. It's great that they can do that,
but it is it's a challenge. It's a challenge, and it's.

Speaker 4 (23:10):
Just like what we say about used to be better
at wrestling. It's like, you don't blame people in the
modern day for doing it the way they do it.
It's just well, there was there was a lot of
merit behind the way it had to be done in
the past, not the way people chose to do it,
the way they it had to be done. Yes, exactly,
there's a lot lost when the performers don't have to
do that.

Speaker 2 (23:29):
Yeah. And this is a clip of Ken Johnson on
the director's commentary talking about he's watching the first transition
and he's describing it as as it unfolds.

Speaker 3 (23:42):
And now we meet our our big green guy for
the first time as he takes out his vengeance again.
Very noire is very dark. You have no idea how
hard it is to get a shot low looking up
when it's raining on you, because the water gets all
over the camera.

Speaker 9 (23:58):
There are.

Speaker 3 (24:00):
Lash guards that will knock the water off so that
you can get a shot like that. And Hanky and
the guys who of course had made lead fenders here
so that Louie could smash them without breaking his hands.

(24:20):
Lightweight tire here for nt a toss, although Luke probably
have tossed the real one.

Speaker 1 (24:25):
At this point, lou was humongous. He was six foot four.
He weigh about two hundred and fifty pounds.

Speaker 3 (24:31):
His biceps were twenty six inches around the largest arms
there little cut from the one side there.

Speaker 4 (24:38):
Of course, what you tell me that didn't come from
the Hulk too, Kenny largest arms in the world. Yep, yeah,
I know Billy Graham used to say that, but maybe
he took it from Hulk too.

Speaker 2 (24:48):
Yeah. Yeah, although twenty six inches, I don't know. I
don't think that was ever the case. I think, I
think I think Ken Johnson's also Ken. He he also
weighed more at the time. He Freignan says he weighed
like two seven at the time, not two fifty. I know,
I know for a normal person like Ken Johnson that
two fifty seems like a lot of weight, but not

(25:09):
for a wrestler or or a bodybuilder. And I think
his arm for twenty two inches, I think they were
twenty two, not twenty six. It could be wrong, but
I'm pretty sure he says they were twenty two for
I always thought twenty four inch was what Hogan said
to make sure that no one right bigger right, because
I know that Forigno said like he he has said

(25:32):
like bullshit that he had bigger arms than I did,
although you know I never see them side by side,
so who knows, So who knows? Anyway, back to the
back to the transformation here off camera the act is wrong?
Thing there? Wait where was? Yeah, this glass.

Speaker 1 (25:46):
Doesn't do that on a windshielded with the spider webs.

Speaker 3 (25:48):
But one of the impacts coming through and again we've
rigged the car so that it could break down as
he smashed on the top of it with the lead
hood and a little help from special effects guys with
their air rams to turn this over, and they got
it balance so that Louie could pretty much do it himself.

(26:12):
Then we have fifteen gallons of gasoline going up here
Yankee set off boom.

Speaker 1 (26:18):
Louis was not happy. He almost turned and ran.

Speaker 2 (26:20):
I'm amazed that he didn't.

Speaker 3 (26:21):
This is a huge fireball and I know for those
of you who probably have not been around such explosions,
they are really hot and although they dissipate quickly, I mean,
Louis afterwards said Kenny, whoa, he almost fried.

Speaker 2 (26:35):
Me here tremendous.

Speaker 4 (26:37):
Hey for a guy who's kinda eh on doing this,
he'sood a pretty good job following it in right.

Speaker 2 (26:44):
Yeah. He seems to really enjoy it when he's when
he's fucking yeah, get into it, makes you, makes you wonder, makes.

Speaker 4 (26:49):
You man't want to give you don't get the wrong idea.

Speaker 2 (26:51):
But right yeah, the uh oh shit, there was something
in there too, I just I thought of and I've
forgotten right now, he said, rig well was it? Oh?
I know so, because uh there there there as When
the show went to series, especially there there was a

(27:14):
rule that he could only change into the Hulk twice
because the whole process of doing it was so expensive.
But they that they couldn't afford to do there you go,
more changes into the Hulk because it costs so much money.
It made it.

Speaker 4 (27:28):
They made it count every time exactly. That's kind of
what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (27:31):
Yep, yep, And that's kind of good because it's like,
then you know, you're not just going to see him
at the end of the show. You're gonna you might
you'll see the Hulk earlier on as well, Like you know,
you get two Hulks within your forty five minute episode. Right,
It's like an ideally formatted version of raw. You get
exactly exactly.

Speaker 4 (27:49):
The main event comes out first, then comes out at
the end.

Speaker 2 (27:51):
Yep. Now, despite not actually you know, playing the Hulk,
you know, according to his ana biography and going to
other sources as well well, Uh, Bill Bixby was known
for having a bit of a temper on site at times.

Speaker 10 (28:07):
Off camera, the actor's intensity sometimes rivaled that of the Hulk.
The pressures of carrying a weekly series and meeting his
own high standards could be an explosive combination.

Speaker 3 (28:19):
Bill was very mercurial, and he could be incredibly manic
and right in your face, you know. I mean Bill
and I had nose to those confrontations a lot of
the time, and and and that was Bill's way with
a lot of people.

Speaker 1 (28:35):
He'd just get right in, literally right in your face.
And uh, and the.

Speaker 8 (28:40):
A couple of times on the set if I was late,
I remember that look he gave me. Oh boy, do
you ready thought she would be the Hulk?

Speaker 2 (28:49):
Even saying it, even Fregno's scared of him. Fucking hell. Okay,
that's where we're talking.

Speaker 4 (28:54):
There was a darkness here, Yes, Billy.

Speaker 2 (28:59):
Talk a little bit more about it, Bill, hmm. Then
you know there's also the voice of the Hulk, because
despite the fact that Farigno wanted to do it, he
did not do the voice of the Hulk. He had
there's somebody else who did it. This is from You
Wouldn't Like Me When I'm Angry, a Hulk companion book.

(29:23):
The Hulk's growling is provided by Ted Cassidy, the tall
six foot nine inch actor who played Lurch the butler
on the popular sitcom The Adams Family. Cassidy is also
the Incredible Hulk shows narrator, doing the iconic opening introduction
when it became a weekly series. At the same time
he was doing the opening narration and roaring for The
Incredible Hulk. Ted Cassidy also used his deep baritone voice

(29:45):
for the animated Thing on Marvel's New Fantastic four cartoon
and the radioactive reptile Godzilla on The Godzilla Power Hour.
When Ted Cassidy passed away during the show's second season,
Kenneth Johnson recruited Free Hulk guest Charles Napier to provide
the sounds of the Hulk's angry outbursts. Napier, a handsome,

(30:07):
tough Guy is a popular character actor, best known as
the leader of the Good Old Boys and the Blues Brothers,
and the unfortunate cop who becomes Doctor Lector's goorious victim.
In Sounds of the Lambs, Napier did an impressive job
with the Hulk's inarticulate raging quote. Both Ted and Charlie
have these great this is Johnson, Ken Johnson. Both Ted

(30:30):
and Charlie have these great deep voices, so deep they
sound like they come straight from the center of the earth.
The producer praises, you start with those amazing voices and
then pitch it lower in post so they just sound inhuman.
Ted also did such a great job with that introductory
narration that whole doctor David Benner physician, scientists searching for
a way to tap into the hidden strengths that all

(30:52):
humans have opening. I saw no reason to change it
when we lost him. It seemed a nice tribute to
him to keep it on as it was. Charles Napier,
who had been on the show a couple of times,
also had a great deep voice. Charlie was doing an
episode sounded really good, and he came in to do
Hulk's growls. Charles was great at doing Hulk's voice, and

(31:13):
he was always a good guest on the show. Even
then I would pitch his growls down so they didn't
sound human. They were both great guys to work with.
Napier was amused to be the Hulk. Quote quote, it
was funny when people ask I tell him, yep, I
was the voice of the Hulk. Laughs. Charles Napier. Ted
Cassidy did it for the first season, and when Ted died,
Nicholas Carea brought me in. Nick was a friend of

(31:35):
mine and he was producing the show. So Nick called
me up one day and then asks can you growl?
I said, what the hell are you talking about? Nick?
And he explains to me that we lost Ted Cassidy
the other day and I heard your voice and I
thought you might be able to do the voice of
the Hulk. I said, oh, hell, I guess I can growl.
I growled for him, and I got the job to
voice the Hulk. I would look at the screen and

(31:56):
follow for Rigno's expressions, some deep breathing as well as
growls when he got mad, like raw stuff like that.
I did that for four years. Eventually he got screen
credit quote, Oh yeah, you better believe it. Napier grins.
We argued over that. I said, that's acting. It's the
way that the Hulk talks. It was hard to do
because when you growled for the Hulk, you had to

(32:16):
do it for fifteen minutes at a stretch. I thought
they would have to carry me out in a gurney
when I did it the first time. It definitely took
a lot out of you. His secret for the Hulk's
guttural howls and growls quote. At the time, I was
a smoker, so that made it easy. I've given up
smoking since Napier ads, but I can still do the
Hulk because of Hulk's voice and other sound effects. It

(32:38):
took fourteen days, well fourteen days to dub The Incredible
Hulk pilot movie, just the movie. It's crazy.

Speaker 9 (32:49):
Now.

Speaker 2 (32:50):
After the show went to series and became popular, they
had a guest come on the show to go behind
the scenes. And do you know who that guest was? No,
Fred Rogers. Wow, mister Rogers, so we are going to watch,

(33:13):
Yes we are, mister Rogers visit the set of The
Incredible Hulk to get a behind the scenes look, A
very unique behind the scenes look of the show. Do
you have my screen? All right? And here we.

Speaker 11 (33:27):
Go, Hello missus. Mcpheeley, it's Fred Rogers here. Yes, I'm
about ready to go to the to the movie studios.

Speaker 2 (33:40):
Barnett.

Speaker 12 (33:44):
You know who he is. You know who the Incredible
Hulk is, right, that's Lufigno.

Speaker 1 (33:49):
And there he is.

Speaker 6 (33:50):
That's what he looks like.

Speaker 12 (33:52):
I think a lot of you have seen The Incredible
Hulk in Our daughter was about three four five years
old and it was on late at night, about eight
thirty past turn bet. She was supposed to be going
to bed and instead she was watching The Incredible Hulk.

(34:13):
She'd turn the TV set on and that just happened
to be there. And the Incredible Hulk. The storyline is
that he's a mild mannered man. When he gets mad,
he bursts into the Incredible Hulk. So that was Lou
Forigno who played that part. She had nightmares our daughter
after seeing that. So I thought maybe we can call

(34:38):
Universal Studios and find out if we could come and
interview Lou Farigno and Bill Bixby while they were making
The Incredible Hulk.

Speaker 2 (34:50):
Yeah, hey, how you doing?

Speaker 13 (34:55):
Thank you?

Speaker 2 (34:56):
How's a doing good?

Speaker 3 (34:57):
Thank you?

Speaker 11 (34:58):
Giving me, all right, if I watched Sure, I'm mister
McFee today taking movies of your.

Speaker 2 (35:07):
God the progress, believe it.

Speaker 12 (35:12):
And we worked it out and and we showed children
that pretend, you know, Liufing, We showed him getting into
his makeup. They put green makeup all over them, and
they put green contact lenses in his eyes, and they
had a green fright wig on.

Speaker 11 (35:28):
Well, that's the way it is with all those superheroes
and monsters and things on television. In the movie, right,
they're just pictures or somebody dressed up in a costume.
They're not real, but they often look real.

Speaker 12 (35:43):
We were showing children that this was pretend. You know,
a lot of children even that Halloween, are afraid of Halloween.
They're afraid of witches, they're they're afraid of monsters. They
don't realize that it's a costume. And that was the
purpose to show that Louffigno on Me Incredible Hulk as
the Incredible Hulk is an actor pretending just like you

(36:05):
would do it Halloween.

Speaker 11 (36:06):
But I was glad to show my television friends that
because it's important to realize that people just don't change
shape and change color. That's all just sort of movie business.

Speaker 12 (36:19):
So that's the reason wether we had Lou Forigno on
the program.

Speaker 14 (36:22):
This is about twelve hours later after a long day,
and here it comes the weak it's coming off. Now
he takes the forehead off and just pull dread off.

Speaker 2 (36:37):
Does that hurt?

Speaker 15 (36:38):
Well, it looks like it does, but he's just glad
to get it off, I would imagine. So that's the forehead,
he says, it comes to nose.

Speaker 2 (36:52):
Imagine his work all part.

Speaker 14 (36:58):
And here's some special solution that takes the green makeup off.

Speaker 2 (37:02):
Yeah, you have the whole that fucking shit to take
that that grease paint off. That's a great look at
it too. Yeah yep.

Speaker 4 (37:09):
And and look if there's any doubt where he gets
tearing the shirt from and having the rips on the
back of his shirt.

Speaker 2 (37:15):
I mean, it's like it's all there, it's all there.
It's all there. So come the fall, Come the Fall.
Everybody is you know, it's now now they're hyping it up.
Now they want people to watch. Now they're talking about it,
and now everything's okay. It's all over the newspapers. They're
also talking about another Marvel series because they were also

(37:36):
doing spider Man The Incredible Spider Man Live Action TV series,
which is absolutely atrocious if you've ever seen it, and
I used to watch it as a kid, I saw
I had like video, I had the VHS ones of it,
clamshell type VHS box of yep, and it's just like

(37:56):
it's just it's just horrendous, just absolutely horrendous. The Amazing
Spider Man Yep, yep, yep. Because he's like also like
he's like thirty, like Peter Parker's like thirty years old.
And it was like, what doesn't worry? Why are you
doing that? They can't do that. That's fucking ridiculous. But
here this is a TV promo for the show I
thought would be interesting.

Speaker 5 (38:18):
I'm hearing Friday after wonder Woman, it's the all new
Incredible Hulk. Radiation experiment has unleased the Mutation, turning David
Benner into a superhuman beast whenever he becomes angered.

Speaker 16 (38:31):
Jill Bixby stars.

Speaker 5 (38:32):
In The Incredible Hulk, Remembering Friday at nine eight Central and.

Speaker 2 (38:39):
Hod watch oh yeah, fucking watch yeah, and uh yeah
it was. The Incredible Hulk premiered on CBS November fourth,
nineteen seventy seven, at eight pm. Uh. It ranked number
thirty four in the weekly ratings, the old one. I
thought I had put down the actual rating. I'm pretty

(39:02):
sure I I found the actual rating. M Now I
need to find it because must know, we must know.
Nineteen seventy seven Spider Man does not look good. Oh
it's awful. Look the costume is atrocious. It's just a no,
that's that's what I mean. It's just a fucking shit show.

(39:23):
It's just an absolute, absolute disaster.

Speaker 4 (39:29):
Is posing in front of the twin towers.

Speaker 2 (39:31):
Yeah, I'm right right, I don't know. I thought it
was well either way. It did very well. I did
very well. I do have numbers for later seasons coming up.
But this is but like I said before, it wasn't
It didn't go right to series, all right. There was

(39:52):
another TV movie that they had made or that they
were making, that would air a few weeks later that
would kind of push it over the edge. This is
again we're going to turn to You wouldn't like me
when I'm angry. The Incredible Hulk pilot garnered huge ratings,
but did not immediately go into a television series. A
TV movie sequel had already been commissioned. Quote. We did

(40:15):
that because Bud Grant, who was running CBS at the time,
didn't think Hulk could make a series. Johnson says it
actually took several meetings before we convinced him that an
ongoing series would have Before we convinced him that an
ongoing series would have any potential. I agree to do
two movies, one of which would be the Genesis of
the Hulk, and the other would show what an episode

(40:36):
of the ongoing series would be like. Nineteen seventies television
was not a conducive time or place for colicbook superheroes.
The biggest genre TV hit of the seventies was The
six Million Dollar Man, which emphasized that a superhero did
not need a spandex costume, but merely a track suit
to thwart evil. This was probably a reaction against the
Adam West Batman TV show of the nineteen sixties, which

(40:58):
embraced the character's costume culture with a vengeance. In the seventies,
TV producers shied away from a superhero's look in the
comics lest they be accused of camp even a premise
that should have lent itself to a fantastic situations like
The Man from Atlantis spent most of their episodes with
Patrick Duffy in a man Fish as a man fish

(41:19):
from the fabled city wandering around Los Angeles in a windbreaker. Ghosts, monsters,
and robots weren't used until these shows were in dire
ratings trouble and about to be canceled. Then and only
then would they give viewers these fantastic elements. Of course,
they would desperately go overboard with the fantasy after spending
most of a series only grudgingly giving viewers what they wanted.

(41:40):
The networks even took characters famous for their costumes, like
Captain America and Doctor Strange, and stuck them in jeans,
muscle shirts, or a seventies leisure suit, using whatever costume
the characters had in the comics only sparingly. Captain America's
mask was reduced to a half assed motorcycle helmet that
showed his face. Look that up. Look up nineteen seventies

(42:02):
Captain America TV movie. Oh sure, yeah, look it up,
because it's absolutely atrocious what they do. It's absolutely gross.

Speaker 4 (42:09):
Oh my god, Like seriously, he just has like bomber
glasses on under it there it's open.

Speaker 2 (42:16):
Right, Like, why would you, Like, it's not even it
doesn't even look like an idiot. It's so stupid, Like
this is I mean, he looks like a stunt guy.
He looks like fucking he does like Morana's and goes
as baseballs baseball. Yeah, like what, like what a fucking idiot?
Like this guy's gonna say the day he's a fucking moron,

(42:40):
Like shoot him like evil evil, Yeah, exactly, That's what
I was thinking of. That's what I was trying to
think of. Evil evil.

Speaker 4 (42:46):
Yeah, Like, my god, this what a joke. Yeah, what
a difference it makes to not have eye holes right
in the Captain American mass doesn't have them.

Speaker 2 (42:55):
And to like wear a cap instead of a fucking
giant Like, what are you thinking? We're in a motorcycle helmet.
Look at a fucking doufish mushroom on your head. You
look like Toadstool from fucking Super Mario Brothers. You know, idiots. Ironically,
Wonder Woman, the only comic book character done faithfully on

(43:16):
TV at the time, in her tiara, bulletproof bracelets and
full red, white and blue garb lasso and invisible plane,
was an immediate hit. Hulk didn't need a costume as
his green skin and shredded clothes basically function as his
quote uniform, taking lively interesting comic book comic book characters,
tripping them of their quirks, and putting them into routine
crime shows where their personalities were muted. Supervillains were banned,

(43:39):
and most of the situations were one of the mill. Terrorists, gangsters,
or muggers all but doomed. The TV superheroes who showed
up in the post Star Wars boom boomtown of late
nineteen seventies network TV. The Amazing Spider Man, which debuted
on CBS the same time as The Incredible Hulk, was
neither Amazing nor spider Man. The character lost his woody,

(44:00):
acerbic personality and spent most of his time battling the
usual kidnappers and robbers, even getting into car chases, chases
that any TV detective could handle. He hardly ever, wore
the red blue tights and masks that he is best
known for. The uh you shoot. Actually, even while we're
talking about it, watch the the opening credits. Just watch

(44:21):
it because it's of Captain America or the Amazing Spider
Man from the Seven from seven. Yeah, yeah, okay, because
it's because I remember, like watching him crawl is just
like it's it's a joke. It's an absolute joke. Oh really,
all let's see, yeah.

Speaker 4 (44:42):
Kind of I've seen this. Oh my god, looks hard.
Looks like a mockery of Spider Man. Yeah, right, it
looks like the climb, right, I mean it looks like
it looks like Spider Man in Times Square, you know,
or in Hollywood Boulevard.

Speaker 2 (45:00):
Yeah, it does.

Speaker 4 (45:00):
Looks like a guy dressed up like Spider Man for right,
for trying to take your money to take pictures with kids.

Speaker 2 (45:08):
This is awful, rotten, so bad, starring Nicholas Hammond as
Spider Man.

Speaker 4 (45:17):
And a man on the phone, Robert Simon another woman
on the phone, Jim Fields. Name name name name, damey,
dame name me, dame name me, dame name name name Dane.

Speaker 2 (45:30):
Who am Is that him on the fucking building? Oh
my god? I mean also, like that's the thing. He's
so so looking at it. He's like like looking around me.
You can't fucking see, you know, like that fucking outfit,
Like how slow he's timing on the on the on
the It's such a joke, Like it's so awful, those

(45:50):
seventies is what they had to do. Man, I know,
I get it, I get it, but man, it's just
like it's so poorly done.

Speaker 4 (45:56):
But it does make the Hulk with freak now much
more impressive.

Speaker 2 (46:00):
It does, it absolutely does, no question, no question. And
when we go back to the uh uh here or
was I Robert uh? The Incredible Hulk was different from
all those loud, stupid shows they say stupid in the book,
A quiet, sensitive and thoughtful series. It still managed to
deliver action adventure. What made Hulk stand out is the

(46:23):
way Kenneth Johnson took the premise seriously. He tried to
inject an earnest realism into the amazing concept in the
excuse Me, in the pilot and earliest episodes. What he
changes back from the Hulk. David Banner is always exhausted, confused,
dehydrated and quite thirsty. He hasn't neverdundant. If you're dehydrated,

(46:43):
aren't you quite thirsty? Pretty much? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (46:46):
So was.

Speaker 2 (46:50):
Roller. I know you remember, just you knew he always
had a six pack, the ice in the lock. You're
damn fucking right, and you just remember, you know, you knew,
you knew he had you knew he was working hard
when his scullet was just drenched.

Speaker 4 (47:06):
Oh yeah, we all know the texture of the hair
when Hulk is it monarios at peak exertion. Yeah yeah,
if it's still if it's still fluffy and dry, he's
not working hard, that's right.

Speaker 2 (47:21):
Uh. I keep losing my spot here, as you imagine
one would be after gaining and dropping that much body mass.
His feelings of guilt and remorse after changing back to
human are also realistic. When Banner changes back after his
first line out as the Hulk, he mournfully says, oh
my god, my god. Little touches like this helped sell
the premise to the viewing audience. The pilot was actually

(47:43):
released as a movie in Europe. When it where it
became an immediate hit in cinema, so it was released
theatrically like Twin Peaks. Was wow. Quote that was amazing.
Kenneth Johnson chuckles. My first Hulk was actually released in
overseas movie theater and became the top grossing film for
two months in France. Universal made a potful of money

(48:05):
from that, about seven or eight million dollars. A year later,
I got a really peculiar check from the studio. I asked,
what's it for? They said, that's your share of the
profits from The Incredible Hulk's European theatrical release. My share
of the eight million dollars was six dollars and forty cents. Wow,
damn fucking rish exactly now? How was it received? How

(48:29):
was Incredible Hulk Pilot received when it aired? This is
the La Times. They said, The Incredible Hulk is incredible, alright,
but that doesn't mean it isn't also lots of fun
and even poignant. Besides, wisely, Johnson has played everything absolutely straight,
which makes various moments of unintended humor all the funnier,
but also gives you this universal TV film a serious

(48:50):
enough tone to keep it from sliding into outright camp.

Speaker 4 (48:53):
Wow, this thing has taken a lot more seriously than
I realized.

Speaker 2 (48:56):
Oh yeah, it really was. It really was, to be sure,
our first side of Farigno, who has been given besides
a green tinge a grotesque Neanderthal visage, is hilarious, as
are various bits of dialogue, such as Miss Sullivan's remark
to the raging Farigno, just let me get a blood sample.
It won't hurt you. However, despite such lapses which brother

(49:19):
which after all, only add to the fun, The Incredible
Hulk has been painstakingly crafted and effectively invokes primordial motifs
from Frankenstein, Doctor Jacklin, mister Hyde, and King Kong. Actors
never get prizes for performances and shows like this, but
Bixby and Miss Sullivan, a witty, elegant beauty who reminds
one of Lauren McCall, are certainly deserving of accolades. The Bloomington,

(49:44):
Indiana Herald Times said, The Incredible Hulk is a very
good film. Forget the title, which makes it sound like
a comic strip, even if it is based on a
very popular comic book character. What it is is a
classic horror story, written, produced, in directed by Kenneth Johnson.
He can be proud of this film. Wow. The Hartford Current, however,

(50:06):
not as not as a celebratory The Incredible Hulk, a
CBS special tonight, is an incredible dud, a Doctor Jekyl
and mister Hyde tale of monstrously boring and dreadful proportions. Wow.
No amount of ponderous quasi quote philosophizing about anger and

(50:27):
evil could possibly save this piece of junk from Going
Down the Drain, Hulk, Bulk, Bilge and all. Although maimed
by pretension and afflicted with a lead footed pace, the
two hour film deliberately avoids camping up any of its trite,
malformed plot line. If all this had been camped up,

(50:47):
it would have at least been deliberately amusing. As it is, though,
it's just ridiculous, pompous and a bore. Wow. Somebody should
have put the incredible Hulk out of its misery long
before it hits the screen to night at eight on
WFSBTV Channel three. Damn, don't let Ken sy that one.
Seriously fucking hard. I'm going to do Ivan Hoe. I

(51:10):
hope you know that. Yeah, fuck that not in Hardford,
your aint. The Kurant is going to fucking take you
to town. Motherfucker ivan Hoe. Take the Ivan out and
you get my exact opinion of Ken Johnson. So the
second movie. The second TV movie aired November twenty eighth,

(51:30):
nineteen seventy seven, So just a few weeks. Three weeks
after equally successful as the pilot, very very very you know,
well received and watched, so CBS commissioned a ten episode
first season, which started airing in March of nineteen seventy eight,
continued through the end of May. The first season averaged

(51:52):
a twenty point four rating, ranking twenty sixth for the year,
which is pretty remarkable, I think for a you know,
basically a live action cartoon, adult cartoon, you know, season
two average. They then season two, season three, and seven
season four all had your typical twenty twenty two to

(52:17):
twenty you know episode seasons, and so seven two average
an eighteen rating ranged forty fourth, so it went down
a bit. Season three came back up a little bit
to number forty two, tying with the Waltons with an
eighteen point seven rating. Season four dipped to forty six,
tying with a Loha Paradise on ABC. I don't know

(52:38):
what the fuck that is, but that just sounded amazing
to me, with a seventeen point five rating. Then season
five jumped up to thirty five, but I couldn't, unfortunately
find the actual rating that it got. But it jumped
up to thirty five, which is a great way to
go out. Honestly, now, I think it's safe to say
that Hulk MAINI, as opposed to Hulkamania, was running wild.

(53:03):
The Hulk. Okay, the Hulk was actually featured in commercials.
All right, this is one for Sears. I'm going to
share my screen with you, yes, and we're going to watch.
We're going to watch this commercial of Sears featuring featuring

(53:27):
the Hulk thirty nine. Okay, and.

Speaker 1 (53:39):
This Sears Flex flags make you look great no matter
who you are, day Flex. They then it's incredible and so.

Speaker 3 (53:51):
Incredible this week.

Speaker 4 (53:54):
Oh man, you're gonna do it, Timmy. So here we go.
When commercials were earnest, they tried to communicate good feeling
and not flipping with irony when they actually said, you
know what, even if the world isn't like this, our
ads can pretend it is. Exactly create an actual aspirational
consumer instead of a consumer that's just doubling down on.

Speaker 2 (54:18):
Who they already are. Yep, exactly. Just terrific.

Speaker 4 (54:22):
So they have a guy there in you know, businesswear,
and they're emphasizing how flexible and stretchable the clothing is
by having it rip apart, like you know, like the
Hulk with his green musculature. Yeah, it's it's spectacular and
it's not even like you know, they don't call out Hulk.
It's not like what it's the Incredible Hulk. He's just
subtly referenced in the in the ad. Yeah, because that's
how it's subtle begin my point.

Speaker 2 (54:43):
No, but that's how that's how, that's how much the
Hulk was like in the culture, you know, right and
the uh So, the series was canceled after season five,
and at the time it held a fairly distinct record.

Speaker 3 (55:01):
The Hull incidentally, was the longest running television series based
on a on a comic character, and I think it
had to do a lot with the fact that we
just played against that sort of comic book origin.

Speaker 2 (55:14):
All the way. Yeah, I did. That was the longest
running comic book superhero TV series, which is impressive. And again,
you know, I can remember it as a kid, like
watching reruns on on on channels and stuff like that,
because it did go into syndication right after it was canceled.

(55:35):
They went into syndication, so it was always playing, which
is one of those things. Do you remember as a kid,
did you think that shows were still airing when you'd
see reruns, Like yes, because you didn't know any better
at the time, like you just see it. They could
tell if they came out at awkward times. Yeah, Like
I kind of figured if a show was on at
three thirty in the afternoon that it probably wasn't first run.
But but I figured what I always assumed was that

(55:57):
it wasn't like it was Yeah, yeah, it may not
be airing. It's like it's a brand new episode, but
if it's airing now, it's going to be a show
that's on the air.

Speaker 4 (56:06):
Net on the air that there are new episodes right
in primetime and runs.

Speaker 2 (56:10):
But there weren't, And in fact, the Hulk lay dormant
for six years until nineteen eighty eight, when a new
made for TV film, The Incredible Hulk Returns, Yes, debuted.
Now I want you to think about this timeline. Okay,
Season five of The Hulk of the Incredible Hulk TV

(56:35):
show ended in nineteen eighty two, before the rise of
Hulk Cogan. Then let's say that again the series ended.
So season five of the Incredible Hulk TV series ended
in nineteen eighty two, before the rise of Hulk Cogan.
Then The Incredible Hulk Returns movie premiere in nineteen eighty eight. Okay,

(57:04):
after like in the prime of Hulk Hogan's popularity. Yes,
now I have no hard evidence to prove that this
was the case that they revived it because of Hulk Hogan.
But I think of it like this, Oh interesting, But
I think of it like this, Who owns the Hulk

(57:25):
Hogan name? Right, Marvel? And they see, well, fuck, this
guy's getting used to Look at the time, look at
the timing. So Hogan becomes huge in eighty five right now,
it would take I mean, I don't know about TV
movie as much, but if it were a movie movie,
it would take three years to get a movie together.

(57:48):
And you have it, you know, get your group to,
get your creative team together, get a script written, get
it filmed, and get it edited to put it out
on TV. Again. Might be a little bit shorter with TV.
Might be a little bit, but still, like you got
to imagine in eighty five, someone in Marvel's gotta be thinking,
am I gonna be seeing thisself? Dude? Let's fucking let's
let's ride this wave here, we get Hult the Hulk,

(58:10):
we could bring the Hulk back. Hulk Hogan's based on
the Hulk. We own Hulk Hogan's name. Let's you know,
I think that there is definitely somebody who who who who?
Made that suggestion. Who was watching wrestling or at least
you know, got wind of pop culture and.

Speaker 4 (58:27):
They had already and this is to come in the
complete Hulk Hogan of course worked out a deal where
you know, they were allowed to use the name, right is,
so long as they you know, shouted out, and so
she shared revenue with Marvel Comics, right exactly. So it
wasn't like it was some kind of you know, something
that had to be worked out, had already done worked
out at eventine in a way that could smooth it

(58:49):
and both ways. And again, I they and and I
imagine that they are like, let's just fucking milk this
because especially, you know, I mean at this point, Marvel
was pretty was in a very big dominant period in
the eighties, you know, in terms of comic book So
I imagine they're just like, let's just fucking milk this
shit while we can.

Speaker 2 (59:09):
Did you come across.

Speaker 4 (59:10):
Anything that suggested that Arnold auditioned for the Hulk role.

Speaker 2 (59:14):
I have gotten some things that said that they were
thinking about him or they talked to him about it.

Speaker 4 (59:19):
But yeah, how all these other guys got offered Rocky movies?

Speaker 2 (59:23):
Right right?

Speaker 17 (59:25):
You know?

Speaker 2 (59:26):
I never heard. I don't think I heard him actually
say it, but I've heard other people say that they
talk to him about it or they were considering him,
So I don't know. I don't know how seriously he was,
but it was around the same time as for Rigno
was initially being considered before they went with Richard Keel.
It's all around that time. But one of the reasons

(59:47):
I think why they went with while they would prefer
for Igno anyways, because he is taller and bigger than
Schwarzenegger was, is you know, like everything.

Speaker 18 (01:00:00):
He's a lapsed fan wrestling podcast with Jack and Scarno
and JP Sorro.

Speaker 1 (01:00:15):
Wrestling podcast.

Speaker 2 (01:00:16):
Now what's great is that, you know, even though Bill
Bixby was so Ken Johnson, No, he's done, he's out
of it, he's out of a picture now, he's gone
bye bye. But Bill Bixby is now like this is
my baby now, like he is all about it, and
he is very attached to the character but also the property.

Speaker 19 (01:00:37):
And.

Speaker 2 (01:00:40):
He I believe it was. He sounds like he had
a deal with New World Cinema, which, if you remember
from way way way back when we talked about New
World Cinema as a distributor h and at a production
house way back with Hell Comes to Frogtown. Okay, they
were the they were behind Hell Comes to Frogtown and whatnot.

(01:01:03):
So there and this was kind of their heyday this
period of time. So Bixby has a deal with them,
and at this time, so does Marvel. Marvel has a
deal with New World Cinema. So Biggs told Comic Scene magazine, quote,
there's a loyal following of people who want to know

(01:01:24):
what happened after Banner hit the road that last time.
Now we're going to let them know. When the idea
of the reunion film came up, I sat and sat
down and ran and ran the original pilot just to
reacquaint myself with the Hulk. It was pure dynamite. Even
eleven years after the fact, I'm not playing him that
much different. Banner is a little bit more mature, and
he has settled down to the point where he can
have a satisfying relationship with a woman. Basically, he's still

(01:01:48):
the same sensitive, compassionate individual, but he is now finally
on the verge of getting away from this alter ego
who has made his life a living hell. Now, they
wanted to add he is all about it, and he
brings in he brings in one of the other directors.
We mentioned his name before, Nick Nick something, or rather,

(01:02:11):
where is it? Where is it? Where is it? Charles
Napier was brought in by him Nick Nick uh Nick Korea.
Nicholas Korea, He's brought I think it is Nicholas Korea
who's brought into direct The Incredible Hulk returns and uh,
I just want to verify this and that I'm all

(01:02:31):
on the right track here. Yes, oh yeah, wait, yes, yes,
Nicholas Corea, Yes, okay, great, So he's he comes into
direct and the uh, the they but Marvel wanted to

(01:02:57):
do a little bit. They wanted to change things up
this a little bit. They wanted a little of a twist,
and this was now incorporating other Marvel characters into the
Incredible Hulk formula, And so they brought in Thor. Thor
was actually brought in, and it's a slightly better Thor

(01:03:18):
than the one we've seen with Kevin Nash, but still
not great. Like it's kind of it's kind of cheesy.
But yeah, So they started bringing other other properties in
with the with the intent of using it as a
backdoor pilot. They wanted to use the TV movie as
a backdoor pilot for Thor to have its own have

(01:03:39):
its own series didn't happen, But here's an interview. This
is an interview with bix and Farigno on Noonday the
mid day show Noonday on w x I, a TV
in Atlanta.

Speaker 7 (01:04:06):
Bill Bixby has that funny look in his eyes.

Speaker 8 (01:04:08):
Again.

Speaker 7 (01:04:09):
If these guys were smart, they wouldn't make him mad.

Speaker 1 (01:04:12):
It's been six.

Speaker 7 (01:04:13):
Years since the Hulk flex's often green body, and back
by popular demand, the Hulp return this Sunday night in
a Maid for TD movie. We have those two wonderful
men with us who play the Hulk and who look
very good in a shade of green.

Speaker 1 (01:04:27):
Bill Bixy and Luferigno.

Speaker 2 (01:04:28):
Hello, how are you? Lolies?

Speaker 7 (01:04:30):
Now I can understand why the Hulk is so popular.
I was thinking about it today. He's a little bit
of the gentlest that we've seen in Frankenstein and the Mystery.

Speaker 1 (01:04:38):
Of Jekyll and Hyde. How do you see him?

Speaker 20 (01:04:41):
No, I think you're absolutely light. It's the all Tho
e ego that most of us would like to have,
most of it. I think, at one time or another
would like to vent our anger in some meaningful way,
and I think that's what the Hulk requisents.

Speaker 7 (01:04:56):
Now, what's different about this reprise role of the Hulk.

Speaker 1 (01:05:00):
What are we going to see?

Speaker 20 (01:05:01):
Well, you're going to see the Hulk that you've seen before,
except that we are adding another superhero. The idea at
New World was to make a series of movies at
the Incredible Hulk, but to include, since they own Marvel
comics of which the Hulk is won, a different superhero
in each movie. And that's the idea. The first one,

(01:05:23):
of course, will be the Mighty.

Speaker 1 (01:05:24):
Four O four.

Speaker 7 (01:05:27):
Now, lou are you going to play the Mighty four too?
You got the body for it.

Speaker 8 (01:05:31):
Well, I think I'll play the Hulk this time because
of the Vida the winner and the fight.

Speaker 7 (01:05:36):
Scene, and there's also such a gentle side to the Hulk.
Oh you know you're both green right now? I'm green too.
Oh my goodness.

Speaker 2 (01:05:43):
Yeah, they did some cheap coloring.

Speaker 7 (01:05:46):
Its stupid, I know, easy, it is an easy being green.
I'm the Hulk woman sort of What even up to
in the years in between the first Hulk on TV
and now this new movie coming up?

Speaker 8 (01:05:59):
I'm a series I went in to Feedo. Just starting
to be a trained actor, and I'll study all the
time now. And I'm five feature film in Europe and
I'm having a new one coming now called All Fair
of the Comedy or started Color into your Seagul.

Speaker 7 (01:06:14):
Coming out in this country. Also, you made it in Europe,
but they're coming out in this country, so then.

Speaker 2 (01:06:19):
We'll be able to see that movie.

Speaker 1 (01:06:22):
Very good.

Speaker 7 (01:06:22):
What about Hugil, what have you been up to?

Speaker 20 (01:06:24):
Well, most I have been directing. I'm in the past
five years. I've directed much more than I've performed. So
it's sort of nice to be back on camera again.

Speaker 7 (01:06:34):
I'm sorry I missed the last one you were saying.

Speaker 20 (01:06:36):
I just said it's nice to be back on camera
again as an actor.

Speaker 2 (01:06:39):
Go ahead, I'm sorry.

Speaker 20 (01:06:41):
I've just in that I have been directing for the
past five or six years, much more than I've been performing.

Speaker 7 (01:06:46):
But we are looking forward to seeing the two of
you in those worlds. I'm sure it'll be a lot
of fun. Thanks for joining us this afternoon.

Speaker 2 (01:06:52):
Thank you, Alex.

Speaker 7 (01:06:53):
You can see Bill Bixby and Loup for Rigno hunk
out this Sunday night in their movie The Incredible Hulk
Return that'll be on Sunday night at eleven Alive, and
we thank them both for joining us.

Speaker 2 (01:07:04):
So, yeah, the Hulk returns seen in nearly eighteen million homes,
around thirty three percent of the television televisions in use
at the time. And you know, let's not forget too again.
You know, we talked. You know, Marvel owns the Hulk
Hogan name. Would it be surprising to you to learn?

(01:07:28):
Maybe you knew this. I don't know that in the
pages of Marvel Comics, the two Hulks squared off. Did
they did to mock Hulk? Yep? Do you have my screen?
I just shared it. There we go. So we have
the main event, the Incredible Hulk, and the main event.

(01:07:48):
It's clearly Vegas with me the Incredible Hulk. Brother, You're
heard right, I'm incredible and not just that dude. I'm
roudier than Roddy, more mach other than the man.

Speaker 4 (01:08:02):
Oh god, it's clearly Hogan's illustration and the yellow trunks
that shows him body slamming somebody.

Speaker 2 (01:08:08):
Yeah, he says, oh, I hate this job on. The
Incredible Hulk, the winner and still champion, the blonde bombs
drummer himself, the blonde, the only Hulk. It's funny them
not calling him a Hulk, Hogan, Hulk.

Speaker 4 (01:08:25):
They don't want to actually call him out directly, sort
of wink wink, nudge, nudge, and you know it's still
to come. But they probably tempt WWF to slap them
back if they started using probably slap them for using Hulk.

Speaker 2 (01:08:42):
And that doesn't even get the Hulk comes in on
boil you out Hulk.

Speaker 4 (01:08:48):
So it's it's the green Marvel character versus versus the
representation of the pro wrestler in a Marvel comic book.

Speaker 2 (01:08:55):
Amazing Marvel comic book, and they go at it and
fucking Hulk, you know, Green Hulk just wipes the floor
with them.

Speaker 4 (01:09:03):
And they're just getting this is their version of, you know,
doing like a Gilberg squash.

Speaker 2 (01:09:09):
Yeah, exactly, exactly. Hulk is cleaning the mat with this
embarrassment Hulk smash. Brother.

Speaker 4 (01:09:18):
Oh, police calls Hulk Hogan an embarrassment.

Speaker 2 (01:09:22):
Yes he does. And you call yourself the Hulk, You're
worst than an impostor. He fucking just like destroys him,
slams him Downine.

Speaker 17 (01:09:37):
Oh yeah, yeah, you can find it online. Yeah, I've
seen your post, Senior, videos. I've seen your stupid cartoon show.
I've seen enough. He stomps on him, kicks him.

Speaker 2 (01:09:48):
You think they're headed for a collision course? Yeah, you know,
you seriously, you'd think it'd be they're building to a
WrestleMania main event. They even throw them like he even
throws him out the window, like like it's the fucking
super Bowl commercial in ninety nine. Oh wow, you know,
at the very bottom of that panel there, and he laughs,
and then Hogan crashed into somebody's house all fucking beaten

(01:10:10):
up in breeze. I haven't seen it this deep into
the end of the comic. Yeah, it's crazy. And then
the last thing he says, the Incredible hope that is,
oh the incredible Hallway goes down here and he goes, uh,
you can call me mister fix It, and they can
call me the Incredible you know.

Speaker 4 (01:10:29):
What, Wow, fix it? What would know about that? It's
a little let in a little something, boss. Do you
know that this is the only ever comic book appearance
of Hulk Hogan?

Speaker 2 (01:10:44):
Really, I did not know that.

Speaker 4 (01:10:46):
Because part of the deal to allow him to use
the Hulk name in wrestling was that Hulk Hogan never appear.

Speaker 2 (01:10:51):
In a comic book. Wow.

Speaker 4 (01:10:53):
So when you go back to those WWF comic books
that we loved so much in ninety one, remember those?

Speaker 6 (01:10:58):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:10:58):
Yeah, yeah, you remember Hulk in any of the No, No,
that's so true, That's so true.

Speaker 4 (01:11:04):
That's why I wonders how much that has to do
with the thing we've long noted as well in the
Colosseum collection. How bizarre it is that eighty percent of
the Colosseum tapes released during the onset of Hulk Comania
featured no Hulk.

Speaker 2 (01:11:16):
Hulkogan Right, that's so gotta be.

Speaker 4 (01:11:18):
Because on the back end they wanted to split as
little Marvel as possible.

Speaker 2 (01:11:22):
I'm sure you're right. I'm sure you're right about that.
So the success of The Incredible Hulk Returns spawned another
TV film in nineteen eighty nine titled The Trial of
the Incredible Hulk. And this time, guess who's in the
director's chair. I don't know, Judge Mitcheler, Yeah, I wish No,

(01:11:44):
just Bill Bixby. Bill Bikesby's directing this one, And like
the previous one, another Marvel hero is added to the mix.
Two two characters. Actually. First of all, they bring in
Matt Murdock and Daredevil to be in this one and
again as an attempt to use the film as a
backdoor pilot for a Daredevil series, which never happened. But

(01:12:06):
they also bring in their first super villain. They bring
in Wilson Fisk the uh what's his name? It is
fucking christ I can't think of the the comic Kingpin Kingpin,
thank you, yes, Kingpin played by John Rhys Davies, who
is Sala in the Indiana Jones movies. And this one

(01:12:32):
also also Actually then, there's another notable thing about this
particular TV film. It is the first it features the
first ever on screen cameo of stan Lee in a
Marvel project, Wow, which he became very notable for ever
since then. Any Marvel movie Stanley always made up until

(01:12:55):
he died, he always made even actually even now I
think even they still like put him in with CGI.
They put him in doing a cameo, a stan Lee cameo. Yeah,
And so that was a big That was a big deal.
And this one also huge huge numbers, second most watched
program on Sunday, May seventh, nineteen eighty nine, with a

(01:13:19):
thirteen point two rating and a twenty audience share, which
means what does that mean to you? If you're a
successful TV show, successful team, what does that mean to you?
Means there's going to be another one, right, And there
was a third, Oh my god, a third fucking Made

(01:13:40):
for T YEP Made for TV sequel, The Death of
the Incredible Hulk, which aired on February eighteenth, nineteen ninety
and was initially rumored It was rumored that they were
going to feature the characters of She Hulk and or
Iron Man, but that never came to pass, and that
one came in number twenty four for the week with

(01:14:01):
a fourteen point six rating, And there were plans, there
were plans for a fourth Made for TV sequel, and
this time for sure was going to feature She Hulk
and Ironman. There was their names were in the scripts
that were being done at the time, or at least
the outlines or whatever. However, the project was canceled because

(01:14:26):
Bill Bixby died. He died in nineteen ninety three at
the age of fifty nine from prostate cancer, and which
is very sad. So that was the last. That was
the last, and so they were going to revive even
though that last one was called the death of the
Incredible Hulk. They were going to bring him back and
like called like the Revenge of the Incredible Hulk or
something like that. But that was the last of this

(01:14:48):
incarnation of the Incredible Hulk. The next live action piece
would be the two thousand and two Aanglee film Hulk.
But yeah, but now I want to finish things up
by going back to talking about the talk show appearance.

(01:15:09):
But you know, the supposed talk show appearance with Hulk,
Hogan and Ferrigno. Yeah, because you know one thing I
was I was curious about that they kind of done
on me. Sadly. I'm just going to put this out
there right away. Lufa Rigno is not on cameo because
I would have liked to have asked him that question.

(01:15:33):
But has he ever talked about it? I imagine people must have. Yeah,
you know, does he remember this event? Well, guess what.
According to Channel ten in Tampa, he does remember it.

Speaker 4 (01:15:48):
Does remember it?

Speaker 2 (01:15:50):
Well, that's what Channel ten says. This is after Hogan died.
This is this past summer, and according to Channel ten,
he he talked about it after Holgan passed away. But
I want you to listen carefully. I want you to
listen very carefully, okay.

Speaker 16 (01:16:05):
Fellow hulkster Lou Farigno remembers that random talk show nearly
fifty years ago where the two met and Hogan's team
decided he should be a Hulk too.

Speaker 8 (01:16:16):
And I remember he came on this scene at the
time and I was very big. But I said to myself,
it guy's big, it taller. But mustn't know why.

Speaker 2 (01:16:23):
No, but he had a big arm.

Speaker 16 (01:16:28):
Farigno started as the gigantic Green superhero on the Incredible
Hulk TV series in this seventies and eighties, and would
later run into Hogan at bodybuilder Jim's in La.

Speaker 8 (01:16:39):
He walked in, called, hey brother, how you doing blood?
Hey brother, I'm going to my neighbor, played Hey brother,
I've got to my shoulder. We played hey blether, you know,
back and forth. But whenever he walked in, it was
either I had especially his life.

Speaker 16 (01:16:51):
And he had to overcome art, a life that ended
in July when Hogan died from a heart attack after
being in and out of the hospital the last several
weeks battling infections after a neck surgery.

Speaker 8 (01:17:03):
Well, what makes me sad? As though I'm seventy three
he's seventy one. You know, you get in this seventies,
you have not at a danger zone. You have to
protect your health and everything.

Speaker 16 (01:17:11):
What he remembers now is their last meeting at another
signing event a few years ago in Buffalo.

Speaker 8 (01:17:17):
But I remember I was looking down trying to text
someone and over my show that he was saying, get
up your lazy basting and everything.

Speaker 16 (01:17:23):
It was full cooker, and he wishes he could have
seen him one last time.

Speaker 8 (01:17:28):
I was hoping to see him at BIBRAF for a
long time. But you know something, we got to be
great by every day. But we have God without or.

Speaker 2 (01:17:36):
Do you see what they you see how they ended
that together the very beginning, he says. And he remembers
that random talk show though he doesn't, but he doesn't
tell you. He doesn't say the talk show at all.
He says he came on the scene, Yeah he was around.

Speaker 4 (01:17:51):
No, not the scene, yeah no.

Speaker 2 (01:17:54):
Like right, but he says he like he arrived on
the scene around the same time that he was doing
The Hulk. He does to talk about it fucking ripped
him off, right, Like he doesn't talk about he didn't
say the fucking thing at all, Like the Tampa News
Channel basically like, I don't I get they're they're they're
quoting the books and then they just do that. Yeah,

(01:18:15):
that's where he started saying it.

Speaker 4 (01:18:17):
Yeah, and you know, I have a theory, you know, Yes,
it's still in the it's still in the formative stages.
So all right, all right, But I think I think
one thing we've learned about Hulk Hogan, it's this, if
he has an apocryphal tale, if he has this one
anecdote that that ties a lot of things together very conveniently.

(01:18:38):
That anecdote is very likely made up and constructed, agreed
to hold together some some sort of pretense for I
don't know when he wants to establish that he started
doing something versus it's just kind of funny line before,
like where's the harmon saying the Hulk show was really big?
So I said, fuck it, let's just be the Hulk.

(01:19:00):
I don't understand where the word him is that. I
guess me. That's why, because they would go on to
as we'll get to an incomplete Hulk Hogan essentially let
me let me drop the teas now basically try to
stop WrestleMania one from happening. Oh, whoa the way it
should have happened.

Speaker 2 (01:19:19):
Whoa, that's fine.

Speaker 4 (01:19:22):
I don't think I don't think the garden's full if
it's uh Paul Orndorf and Roddy Piper versus mister T
and Terry Bolea.

Speaker 2 (01:19:31):
Yeah, yeah, I agree with you on that one. Jesus
Christ Almighty. That's well, that is a fucking tease. And
uh that wraps it up here? Are you ready to
watch the incredible Hulk pilot film?

Speaker 4 (01:19:46):
So ready to see what Hulk saw? That is to say,
Terry saw to become Hulk.

Speaker 2 (01:19:52):
And roll the projector three two one play brother brother.

Speaker 4 (01:20:01):
Kind of the footsteps right out of the gate, green
feet through the woods.

Speaker 2 (01:20:06):
Yeah, this is like a little recap, like I don't know,
it's weird. It's a it's a preview recap. Right still
to come right still to kai right, there's Ben.

Speaker 4 (01:20:19):
Skule x ray. See this already looks like so much
less cheesy than the Spider Man's. Oh and seriously, there
was also a Linda Carter Wonder Woman that was a
hit too, right, that led to this excitement. Yeah, but
that was also h that was like three years it lasted.
It still didn't last as Long, Bill Bixby and the
Incredible Hulk.

Speaker 2 (01:20:40):
Saine thoughts, I.

Speaker 21 (01:20:42):
Think that audiences can expect just a great, overall entertaining movie.

Speaker 4 (01:20:46):
Thank God for that, Thank God for that. It's plain
Jane titles. You know, let the the special effets to
the talking, yeah, exactly, or let the story do the
talking with then each of us off times there Dwelves
a mighty and raging fury brother. The title card reads, yes,
when it comes crashing down and it hurts inside, where

(01:21:10):
is the Hulk inside you?

Speaker 6 (01:21:12):
Right?

Speaker 4 (01:21:14):
Jeez, fucking French filmmaker. They want to make it Cinneatic
walking through the willows with his sweetheart yep for Gamma rays, Yeah,
pre Gamma, pre Gamma.

Speaker 2 (01:21:35):
That's seventies fucking music. Have you ever heard of Geez
before he went to Gamma school. This is before he
became a Gamma jamma.

Speaker 4 (01:21:48):
Look at them boating together, running in the rain together.

Speaker 2 (01:21:55):
Together, when she fucking she's like lion king and this
cat so I forget. This is in the cinemas in.

Speaker 4 (01:22:03):
France, that's right, exactly, in less cinema tech know what
that is. But Bruce Banner's comforting her on the receipt
of bad news.

Speaker 2 (01:22:15):
Because they love they love each other pancakes, yep, because
it's not about food, right, Laura loves David. Oh, David, David.
This is gonna be. This is the fucking the worst thing,
you know. This is the the Davy he is. He's

(01:22:42):
scolding her for her political views. Is that what that is?
Pointing at her? The tailor too. Oh god, he's like
sticking sticking needles in her ass. Dude, y fucking Joan
Severan's over here, seriously one for the road. Uh, he's

(01:23:07):
going to bed. She's reading.

Speaker 4 (01:23:10):
Disco ball too. Just a montage of Davey Banner is
a normal Joe with a with a sweetart.

Speaker 2 (01:23:21):
Not Betty Ross though, you know, Bruce Banner's traditional girlfriend.
Car vehicular activity right going on here, driving right over
there aren't over the camera there that that shot. Ye

(01:23:46):
don't distract him, you see. This is hurt.

Speaker 4 (01:23:48):
Oh brother, holy shit. They're driving together and a wheel
just blew off the car and the whole thing is
going onto its roof. It's a twist. I do nothing
of out the milk story.

Speaker 2 (01:24:02):
Well, this is the up Jesus. Big bump there, big
bump by Bill Bakesby and the car is flipped over
and she's inside, So.

Speaker 4 (01:24:16):
He got ejected. She's stuck inside. I think we know
where this is going.

Speaker 2 (01:24:19):
Yep. Cars on fire. He's trying to, you know, trying
to do that superhuman strength that everyone talks about.

Speaker 4 (01:24:35):
Right, can't move the car, kick out the windows if
he can.

Speaker 2 (01:24:46):
Now that's gonna be hot.

Speaker 4 (01:24:48):
Yeah, kid, Johnson's going off on this scene. Oh yeah,
full flex, full cinema topic. He wants to go cinema hard.
Oh just a howl yep. Bruce Binner wakes up Davy

(01:25:09):
Banner from The Nightmare alone in his bed, all lost.
At least she didn't wake up and look over and
see what she thought were his ass sheets on the
end of the bed, heaving.

Speaker 2 (01:25:30):
Half expecting like looking underneath and finding a horse head
like the God found.

Speaker 4 (01:25:34):
No, I know it does feel that way, tears coming
to his eyes. In the Hulk comics, does he have
this backstory?

Speaker 2 (01:25:49):
Banner? Yeah, I don't. I'm a familiar. No, I don't.
I don't see I'm on as familiar with the Hulk comics. Yeah,
I know that that's not usually what's portrayed in the movies.
Let me see I can find a quick origin here.

Speaker 4 (01:26:02):
You would think if that was central to the original story,
that would be in.

Speaker 2 (01:26:06):
The comic books. You know, he's, as we know, uh
not a fan of comic books.

Speaker 4 (01:26:16):
Supposedly of dialogue for the first time.

Speaker 2 (01:26:24):
I remember it being more about yeah, all right, so
he's so so in this in According to Wikipedia, Bruce
Banner was recruited by the army to develop nuclear weapons
and under during the experiment one of the experiments, he's

(01:26:52):
exposed to gamma radiation and that's what doesn't So it's
not having to do with this kind of a This
is a much more human right, you know, grounded if
you will.

Speaker 4 (01:27:05):
Well, now he's walk in the halls of what appears
to be a laboratory.

Speaker 2 (01:27:08):
Yes, he is a he is a physicist and a scientist.
Congress or is a physician. I forget what they say
in the fucking opening credits. Let me call him a physician. Look,
he's a fucking right, he's a PCP, you know, right,
as well as a U a gamma you know, physics physicists, scientist.

Speaker 4 (01:27:37):
However, this shoulder to cryon that he has at the
office knows that he had another one of those bad nights.

Speaker 2 (01:27:42):
Yep, said I.

Speaker 9 (01:27:45):
Should expect the dreams to recur now and then for
a while. It's been almost a year eleven months.

Speaker 4 (01:27:52):
Do you know that before the Green Hulk, there were
other Hulks that existed, uh, in previous mar comics.

Speaker 2 (01:28:00):
Really yeah?

Speaker 4 (01:28:02):
Like first, uh, first, blush, it looks sent you a
couple of them.

Speaker 2 (01:28:08):
Okay, we better not be fucking Frank Silva when.

Speaker 4 (01:28:13):
Oh no, no, no, no, no, I would. I would do
that too, but I'm not doing that to you here.
This is one of our wonderful listeners who I'm going
to be relying on more as we go into this
particular sung. Here we go, Wow, look at this almost
like a blob like red figure. We made fun of
Johnson for trying to get a red Hulk Will apparently
there was.

Speaker 2 (01:28:33):
It's like it's like a it's like a wow. Well
this actually and this even brings up something even more interesting. Well, no,
that's is November sixty two, sixty two, right, So I'm wondering,
I'm thinking to myself, is this like before did did?
Are we talking about more stealing from from? Uh? For

(01:28:56):
for with stan Lee? Is he stealing even more people's things?

Speaker 8 (01:29:00):
Right?

Speaker 2 (01:29:01):
So this is interesting? Yeah, one's like a robot. Yeah,
the very first one. Yeah, like rampaging. That's interesting. No,
I did not know that part. These aren't incredible. Help.
This is just now a hulk. It's like it's like
the it's like the action figures. You'd find it at
a at a convenience store, you know. Mas'rying to learn

(01:29:23):
how would be like instead of having Hulk Hogan, you
have like brunk broken or something.

Speaker 20 (01:29:28):
Us.

Speaker 4 (01:29:28):
So Jermaine Jackson is getting a tour of the facility.

Speaker 2 (01:29:31):
I think, oh god, it's a young man being a
little experiment.

Speaker 4 (01:29:37):
I'm looking at an experiment on her brother. What's going
on here? Apparently signed up for some kind of participation
in the study here at the lab.

Speaker 7 (01:29:47):
About thousand pounds of pressure on it.

Speaker 13 (01:29:49):
Wow, right, thinks much stronger than you think too.

Speaker 6 (01:30:00):
Something.

Speaker 2 (01:30:00):
I just you know what was stronger than bone was
a boner. That's what I said. My boner is extremely strong.

Speaker 6 (01:30:06):
Right now, as you can.

Speaker 4 (01:30:10):
She's handed the boy an egg. Go ahead, it's gonna
crack four of them and put them in a blunder.

Speaker 2 (01:30:16):
It's gone.

Speaker 13 (01:30:19):
See I told you some kind of especially especially damn.

Speaker 9 (01:30:25):
Righter than you thought.

Speaker 4 (01:30:30):
Right, there's Bill back speaking there he is.

Speaker 2 (01:30:33):
He's a big head. You know, I don't notice that
before you right there? Put it four ways. Yeah, you
guys have Yeah. I don't let the women eat fucking
sugar and carbs. Alright, they don't watch my fake here,
don't get them fat, all right. I can't put them on.
They can't put on television. All right, we don't put

(01:30:54):
frods on Television's gonna eat it that mouth because it's
that's like the first you know, I she's imagining it's
this cock. Is that what it is? Yeah? So now
the boy's being interviewed.

Speaker 13 (01:31:05):
Yep, missus mayor, Well, I was driving to Columbus, Ohio
to see my sister Katie. I was going about.

Speaker 4 (01:31:16):
Fifty's counting, thriving to Ohio with the boy in the
car before it happened. Oh, the real tire blew out,
just like the blown out Davy banners tire blew out.

Speaker 2 (01:31:31):
Oh it's the same guy, the same thing.

Speaker 6 (01:31:33):
The roll.

Speaker 2 (01:31:35):
She's explaining how the car rolled. He's having flashbacks.

Speaker 4 (01:31:41):
Is this actually some side story about a class action
lawsuit against the tiger manufacturer?

Speaker 2 (01:31:48):
Could you imagine if that's what it was? And like
the majority of the film was about that, and then
the very end it just happens to have this hulk
come in to.

Speaker 4 (01:31:57):
Play, waiting for like the nuclear stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:32:02):
Nothing and what happened not in this series.

Speaker 13 (01:32:05):
Then I went over to the car and they were flames,
like all over the top of.

Speaker 9 (01:32:10):
The other Star, I mean the bottom of the.

Speaker 2 (01:32:12):
Car there and there she is battling the flames just
like that.

Speaker 6 (01:32:16):
Excuse me when my face she.

Speaker 4 (01:32:19):
Has a wow face too. Yeah, now, I didn't realize
that at first. It's just really a lightning.

Speaker 2 (01:32:23):
Yeah, me too. That's that's crazy.

Speaker 6 (01:32:25):
It's that I had to get him out of there.

Speaker 13 (01:32:28):
But you see the door of the car was pinned
down by the.

Speaker 1 (01:32:31):
Weight of the car.

Speaker 2 (01:32:34):
Oh, he's he's definitely going.

Speaker 4 (01:32:35):
I went back, Davy Banner is going back to it's
failed attempts.

Speaker 2 (01:32:40):
To lift the car.

Speaker 1 (01:32:40):
Really frantic.

Speaker 2 (01:32:42):
If only he were the incredible Holk, he could have
lifted out right a bit. Yes she did, Mom tell him.

Speaker 3 (01:32:48):
I don't know.

Speaker 12 (01:32:49):
I don't know exactly how it happened.

Speaker 13 (01:32:52):
The fire was spreading, and I do know that it
was going to explode.

Speaker 2 (01:32:56):
Reassume that performance of her pushing the cars.

Speaker 13 (01:32:59):
And credible the car, I thought then I could open
up the door.

Speaker 7 (01:33:04):
I just I just tried to lift it.

Speaker 2 (01:33:08):
It was the thing I did. You know, really, what
the story is here is that the love of a
mother to her child is more, is stronger than right?
You know your girlfriend exactly exactly. So he just doesn't understand.

Speaker 4 (01:33:25):
Yeah, she's explaining how she suddenly was lifting up the car.
Maybe she's speaking to how there's a hulk in all
of us.

Speaker 2 (01:33:32):
Maybe she's the hulk.

Speaker 13 (01:33:33):
Wow lifting. I don't know where I got the strand.
I don't know where it came from.

Speaker 2 (01:33:45):
My god, she has it. You can't believe what you's doing.

Speaker 15 (01:33:49):
I know.

Speaker 2 (01:33:52):
Not what Davy Banner wants to know. He's like, no,
this is not Bruce Banner. You just call him Bruce.
I can't. I can't call him David. Every knows Bruce Banner. Yeap.
According to my.

Speaker 7 (01:34:04):
Calculations, the weight was later found.

Speaker 2 (01:34:07):
He's fucking bounces. He can't even deal. Who's on the
couch here? Exactly? Right? Have I done something wrong? Yes?
You have you told the truth? Oh? He is well,
he is power. I would be worried about what he's
about to do.

Speaker 4 (01:34:26):
What if I licked your balls? Would that make you
feel better she drops. That would be said a seventies
porn thing. Hit the nw AL music.

Speaker 2 (01:34:34):
Yeah, Oh my god, it'll be tremendous.

Speaker 4 (01:34:37):
All of a sudden hiss like his like six inch
dick is a rex, and there's like ball hair green.

Speaker 2 (01:34:44):
He's got a green cock.

Speaker 4 (01:34:49):
One hundred and ten pounds. Women just don't lift up
a half tumbed car.

Speaker 2 (01:34:54):
Be there. Only third party people can lift up cars
like that.

Speaker 20 (01:35:00):
Story, my god, that's exactly what happened to me, except
that her son is alive.

Speaker 2 (01:35:05):
She hooked up right, She's right, she hawked up. You
couldn't hulk up. You're a bit by himself.

Speaker 4 (01:35:11):
Everything we've researched, it's been the same story, over and
over again. What is the common denominator? He left me
hanging there?

Speaker 2 (01:35:20):
You're trying to say, I guess he's the common denominator,
But he's the failure that if it had been that,
if it had been anybody else but him, he could
have saved his girlfriend. I know, I'm sorry.

Speaker 4 (01:35:35):
I mean it was Tony Morrison at twenty one. I
could have lifted this fucking car.

Speaker 2 (01:35:41):
If only I hadn't stopped my cycles.

Speaker 4 (01:35:46):
If only I hadn't quietly actually kind of given up
in my head and pretended I didn't.

Speaker 2 (01:35:52):
If I only hadn't really wanted her to die, right,
I could have saved her.

Speaker 4 (01:35:57):
How can you hope to examine a medical phenomen on
with cool scientific objectivity? He cuts it right off. Don't
don't talk to me, don't take me off this case.

Speaker 9 (01:36:10):
Always getting angry doesn't.

Speaker 4 (01:36:13):
Help getting here. It doesn't help my mother. I used
to tell me getting angry doesn't help.

Speaker 2 (01:36:19):
It, and then I used to throw shit at.

Speaker 4 (01:36:21):
Her that should make meat loaf and.

Speaker 9 (01:36:25):
Love.

Speaker 2 (01:36:25):
Alan Moore, you'd always talk about Kenny.

Speaker 6 (01:36:33):
Comes from.

Speaker 4 (01:36:33):
Do you think we'll ever find where that strength comes from?

Speaker 2 (01:36:36):
He asks? Not with her wearing a dress like that,
Jesus Christ. That thing is like that. That thing does
not look like it breathes at all. It is covering
like she looks like one of the one of the
women wrestlers. And when they go to Saudi, yes, covered
from head to toe. The running kinds of experiments on

(01:36:59):
people and putting things under microscopes, that's right. Discovery. It's
like a computer micro chip there. Discovery like just studying
and researching, experimenting.

Speaker 21 (01:37:12):
I just pinned under this thing there, and I just
started pumping, pumping my fists and I got I was
able to pick it up a very big schnitze.

Speaker 2 (01:37:23):
Indeed, Yeah, that's all as well. And spots.

Speaker 4 (01:37:29):
Now so the common denominator and they sit down interviews
they're doing or instances were regular people just and super
human strength to do something to get out of a pinch.
This woman bent a steel beam. Give the filmmakers credit here.

(01:37:54):
They're not just going right to the gring and guy,
you know they're not. They're really letting the simmer.

Speaker 2 (01:37:59):
No, I didn't. Fact, I'll tell you what this is.
This is actually probably the least action based, right, fucking Christ,
Jesus Christ. He's like the love child of Joe Pesci
and my grandma and myself.

Speaker 6 (01:38:20):
We're gonna die.

Speaker 2 (01:38:23):
We're gonna die, said to myself. We're gonna die.

Speaker 4 (01:38:28):
And you can hear like the crinkle of his leather jacket. Yeah,
heavy guy belongs in a fucking Frank Capra movie.

Speaker 2 (01:38:40):
Oh, he absolutely does.

Speaker 9 (01:38:42):
Then how did you do it?

Speaker 2 (01:38:45):
How did you do it? Ben wants to know.

Speaker 9 (01:38:50):
There it is, and all of a sudden we were ambushed.

Speaker 2 (01:38:52):
The big man upstairs, the same friend that had saved.

Speaker 17 (01:38:57):
Your life, yes, sir, and I wasn't about to leave
him face down in the mud.

Speaker 2 (01:39:01):
That's right. This guy is talking about war, that's right. War.

Speaker 16 (01:39:05):
I don't really remember that part of it. I just
remember I was determined to get Johnny out of there.

Speaker 6 (01:39:09):
You don't be wounded, no, sir. I was kind of busy.

Speaker 7 (01:39:14):
How many bullets are taken out of you?

Speaker 4 (01:39:16):
Seventeen seventeen bullets. I was shot seventeen times. So this
probably would have aired over two hours, right with commercials.

Speaker 2 (01:39:25):
Yes, it's about a two hour. Yeah, it was a
two hour TV movie. That is a leisure suit in
a half. Yeah, jack McGee. This guy fucking yeah right,

(01:39:50):
this guy looks about two steps away from the grave.
And he's like the news reporter.

Speaker 9 (01:39:56):
Something about that's.

Speaker 4 (01:39:57):
How you get the scoop. You stand outside someone's office
and run after the exactly and you grab them in
youspaper's interested in The newspaper is only interested in reporters, murder, rape, horoscopes, UFOs,
and fair faucet. I don't fit into any of those categories,
he says, And I wish not to be interviewed.

Speaker 2 (01:40:20):
Put those sunglasses, getting Jackie O nasis classes Jesus christentially
study that shot right there? Do you see that dolly shot?
That was a crazy shot.

Speaker 4 (01:40:36):
Doctor Banner is looking at the blood of these people
to see if emotional. He's so commonality angry and my
guess that's the whole driven research. But like, you know, like,
but he's such a like, it's such a selfish you know,
they're taking all these resources just so we can tell
himself that it's not his fault that the girlfriend Paris.

(01:40:56):
It's a metochondria scan for that ass answer.

Speaker 2 (01:41:02):
Half a million That TV man minicontrious can't for that
ass Oh, no, state of the art television screen monitors,
monitor monitoring. Absolutely, Maybe we should a deeper sill to

(01:41:25):
the DNA. Yeah, examine.

Speaker 9 (01:41:29):
You know Ben's been souping up a lot of our equipment.

Speaker 2 (01:41:31):
And higher power, higher power, higher power. Well it was
me Austen ye Wilfrid, what are you doing? Pow one
million times?

Speaker 6 (01:41:45):
Let's see what we can see.

Speaker 2 (01:41:47):
Let's see we can see. I'm Bill Bickby. There's d
N a a million times DNA scan. What do you
got to come across something? A computer is beeping and
in the movies, you know what that means yea importance.

Speaker 4 (01:42:03):
Okay, just text on the screen. But they're making it
the most dramatic thing you've ever seen.

Speaker 2 (01:42:09):
What is that blinking anything?

Speaker 6 (01:42:13):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (01:42:14):
Yes? Oh? What is it? Found it? Content abnormal?

Speaker 4 (01:42:24):
Oh, it's flashes content abnormal on the screen.

Speaker 2 (01:42:28):
Commercial break. We'll be right back. The Incredible Hulk returns.

Speaker 4 (01:42:33):
It's fair Child Semiconductor. These two horrid again. It's like
a place where.

Speaker 2 (01:42:38):
Like like nand memory was created in nineteen seventy two,
NA magnified a million times. It's impossible. Mmm, he's looking
at his own blood now. Yep, DNA others can't be

(01:43:03):
same variant the strength.

Speaker 4 (01:43:07):
Your bitch found the strength they did. So how can
I have the same variant because you're a bitch, that's what.

Speaker 2 (01:43:11):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:43:12):
I think that he's going to reach that very unscientific
conclusion because am I a bitch.

Speaker 2 (01:43:22):
I know what I'll do. I'll draw the bubble of
shoelaks on a piece of paper. We've got a problem
with the microwave tremendously this guy anyway, he said, we've
got a problem with the microwave transmit or just a
problem with the microwave.

Speaker 4 (01:43:33):
Yeah, I don't know what he said there, but he
quickly followed it up. But it's gonna take my bell
a couple of days, the patching up. You gonna get
some pizzas you want to you want to end awesome.
You want to, Bruce, get you some pies from Little Neros.
That's when you know they're onto something when the pizza
orders come out.

Speaker 2 (01:43:51):
Building at one of them. Yep, the extreme oasis ringing
around the banner's head something extern h thought, thought happening
with Yeah, for sure, with Bruce looking at a Richter
scale reading gamma interfere with biology.

Speaker 4 (01:44:14):
Gamma rays have been known to interfere with biological activity. Doctors,
it's onto something here. He has a hypothesis forming they
like that shot. Oh yeah, yep, yep, he does. You
know in the in that commentary track too, I didn't.
I didn't take any clips right because I was, you know,
running out of space. But he you should you should

(01:44:37):
hear how often Ken Johnson bad mouths all the seventies tropes.

Speaker 2 (01:44:45):
Oh really in here? Yeah, he makes fun of all
the clothing that's seventies. He makes fun of all shots
that are like seventies, like zoom shots and stuff like that.
I'm like, dude, just why are you gonna do that?
It's the fucking seventies, Like, it's not like, it's not
the seventies. Right Er just circled the lowest point on
the chart because that's where he belongs. It's like, this

(01:45:06):
is this is where the stock found support on the downside.
It's never gonna go lower than this. I gotta call
my broker. I want to sell all shares of Yes,
it's a buying opportunity. He gave it two rings and
hangs up. Where's the fucking It's like Friday, Friday the thirteenth. Oh,

(01:45:33):
who's thee all the green? Yeah, a little green shading there.
It's called symbolic radio radiation area. Uh oh, not a
good idea test just doctor Banner and the radiation machine.

(01:45:54):
That's right. That is it trying to lift the bed? Okay,
so we lifted it. So shouldn't you listen to that?
You can't lift? Isn't it the whole point? You should like? Okay,

(01:46:17):
I can't lift this, but if I once I do
the process, I should be able to lift this.

Speaker 4 (01:46:20):
If I can lift an empty hospital bed, I feel
better about myself. He's gonna turn the machine on, but
appear that way radiology scanner, whatever those are called. He's
gonna crank up that gamma.

Speaker 2 (01:46:34):
Speaking their dock charts, bringing up that gamma jam my brother,
Oh yeah, gamma sing.

Speaker 4 (01:46:45):
So many knobs everything, yeahob, But back then, every piece
of tech had a knob that clicked.

Speaker 2 (01:46:52):
I'm surprised that there are no blinking lights there. You go. Yep,
coump down. Give himself quite a bit of time. Yeah,
I don't know why you need two minutes. I mean,

(01:47:16):
I mean, if I were Ken Johnson, I would actually
have this scene linger for two minutes, just to make
us suffer.

Speaker 4 (01:47:22):
Yeah, he's gonna go take a piss first. Yeah, no, okay,
slides his body into the radiation machine.

Speaker 2 (01:47:29):
I guess twenty seconds have gone by, so he's he's
going the full two minutes here.

Speaker 4 (01:47:32):
All right, This isn't like a rumble countdown.

Speaker 2 (01:47:37):
Yeah, I know.

Speaker 4 (01:47:38):
But they should have put the classic Cassio clock in
the by.

Speaker 2 (01:47:41):
I agree, I agree, we should have a Casio clock
science yep, well, anything any thing to soothe his ego,

(01:48:02):
his angst be exactly. Johnson loves that shot, you know.
Oh he you should listen. Oh my god, he fucking
loves that shot. You can hear him jerking off to
it on the commentary track in the background is here. Jeez,

(01:48:29):
that's a famous in the head, that's a famous shot.
That's like the famous shot they use for that thing.
But I mean, what a machine? What is this fucking
machine that does this? I mean, Jesus Christ, it'll allow
you to do it to yourself. Why is I mean,
it looks like we're gonna be in like a Disney
simulator ride exactly.

Speaker 19 (01:48:57):
Thirteen well, eleven, ten, nine, eight, seven, six five four, No,
not jumped ahead, Here we go, King King and King.

Speaker 2 (01:49:20):
Busha. Gamma.

Speaker 4 (01:49:24):
Yeah, that would have been a nice alternate title, The
Incredible Gamma. Oh, the danger light is flashing, doge fifteen
thousand Gammy units.

Speaker 2 (01:49:42):
How do you feel happened? Just stopped?

Speaker 4 (01:49:45):
So he just got administered Gammy?

Speaker 2 (01:49:47):
I guess so fucking crime. Oh my god, Jesus Christ,
it's so fucking nauseatingly slow. Peeky.

Speaker 4 (01:50:02):
I was gonna take him, my cat. We're going to
watch him undo all this now after we have to
watch him do it. Wow, there's something called the dissolve Ken.

Speaker 2 (01:50:11):
Well, you know, Ken's got a you know hour and
a half to fill really time commercial breaks.

Speaker 4 (01:50:17):
So just when I gave him credit for delaying the
big green Monster scenes, I'm starting to get a little anxious.
Fun move past, doctor Banner.

Speaker 2 (01:50:27):
Uh, stop stop delaying. Let's just get on moving.

Speaker 8 (01:50:31):
Pal.

Speaker 4 (01:50:34):
I don't understand what if anything just happened. Okay, now
he's trying to see if that added nothing. He's still
a bitch.

Speaker 2 (01:50:40):
I hope you know that.

Speaker 4 (01:50:41):
This is basically Hogan with dinabal right, that's that's his
bill bakeste Harry's gamma, Terry's gamma was a dinable.

Speaker 2 (01:50:59):
Someone used to someone needs to fucking shrink his head
a little bit. It's distracting. It is distracting, especially during
these long shots, because.

Speaker 4 (01:51:10):
Lou Rigno doesn't have a massive melon. No, well he does,
maybe maybe he just doesn't look like he does.

Speaker 2 (01:51:15):
He does, but he's got a massive body to go
with it. Kinky bink and gink and wink and gink
and ginking.

Speaker 4 (01:51:23):
The other day at the lab, administer myself with gamma,
then run out into the rain.

Speaker 2 (01:51:28):
Here's this is the this is the cheap process shot
he was talking about coming out. Oh yeah, lightning, So
all this this is not. He's not actually drying. Yeah,
I think you still beam.

Speaker 4 (01:51:49):
Ringing in doctor banners head of the others who were mandaged,
who managed those feats of strength so deeply unsettling to him?
Oh did it happened again? This fucking car blew out

(01:52:10):
these fucking tires. Man on these cars. I think it's
if you're one of the Gamma Ray types you malfunction cars.

Speaker 2 (01:52:19):
That would make sense. Actually some connection here.

Speaker 4 (01:52:23):
There's no way that happens twice to him.

Speaker 2 (01:52:26):
And to that other woman. He's so angry.

Speaker 4 (01:52:38):
It's pouring and he doesn't have a Tiret's start cursing
like Ralphie's dad here. Oh fudge, Yeah, so like Ralphie baby,
I should say.

Speaker 2 (01:52:57):
Except I didn't say fudge. It was the word not.

Speaker 4 (01:53:03):
It's here once again, time of year, so.

Speaker 2 (01:53:06):
Happy not God damn it. Son of a bitch, so angry.
Oh yeah, one tells me he's gonna find a common
denominator here.

Speaker 4 (01:53:27):
Praying him up the car to jack his tire.

Speaker 2 (01:53:34):
M hm m hm m m m m.

Speaker 6 (01:53:39):
M hm.

Speaker 9 (01:53:43):
M hm hm.

Speaker 2 (01:53:46):
Hm. You get you get good color. Brother.

Speaker 4 (01:53:51):
So he's bleeding on his hand. Oh, something else has happened.
We see the X ray of the skull. Oh, here's
the eye. The eyes are turning green. Yeah, it's transforming, folks,

(01:54:17):
it's happening. Goes this shirt, ripping the shirt. Brother, he
found his Diana ball?

Speaker 9 (01:54:28):
All right?

Speaker 2 (01:54:28):
Did he damn fucking right di Gamma ball? I wonder
if maybe that maybe that's maybe Hogan should done Gamma instead.

Speaker 4 (01:54:36):
Absolutely hide the ball. Right for eyes, he's bending the crowbar.
Did Hogan him do that? Bend a crowbar like that?

Speaker 2 (01:54:48):
Maybe he did? Look at that.

Speaker 4 (01:54:51):
No, first time we've seen. And you're right, we have
to like kind of cut into him emerging, not witness
the transformation.

Speaker 2 (01:55:02):
But it works.

Speaker 4 (01:55:03):
Look up big he look, it's eight foot giant.

Speaker 2 (01:55:06):
But it works though, you know, and that's the thing
about it, It does work. The way they added together,
you know, you're able to suspend this with up. He
fucking rips off the goddamn tire and tosses it like
a ragged doll.

Speaker 4 (01:55:23):
And this is what wrestling promoters saw when they looked
at Yep, Terry Bulayer returning from his sojourn to Cocoa Beach.
There's a hell of a time to walk into a
small time wrestling outfits with that kind of build and
this on the air, a couple lax handles even from Lufigno.

(01:55:45):
Yeah the car, Oh, here he goes detroying this thing.
I guess he doesn't have to worry about driving home,
not at all. And now he's going to prove he
can lift the car.

Speaker 2 (01:55:55):
Look at this.

Speaker 4 (01:56:01):
That looks cool, looks good. Pushes it down the hill.

Speaker 2 (01:56:04):
Yeah there was a hydraulic thing that that helped with
the lift. But still it looks great. Brother, it does explodes.

Speaker 6 (01:56:20):
The Hulk.

Speaker 2 (01:56:26):
He's getting heat, that's right, brother, Gang Gang Kan Kang,
Gang Gan Kang said this on CBS, right, Yeah, I
feel the heat on CBS with the incredible Hulk. I
would have been riveted by this in the eighties. Let alone.
This haven't her I mean, and again think about it.

(01:56:50):
We haven't seen any violence really, right.

Speaker 18 (01:56:55):
He's lapsed fan Wrestling podcast with the Jack Ann Seo
Jpro's Lapsed fand Wrestling podcast.

Speaker 2 (01:57:15):
That's what daytime scene. But it's a fairly disperseed. Hear
the shots we saw from the beginning.

Speaker 4 (01:57:19):
The feet walking through the woods, the green feet. That
was a term of the deal too. Terry could never
wear purple and.

Speaker 2 (01:57:32):
Green are you serious? Yes, wow, little.

Speaker 4 (01:57:40):
Girl fishing, she's in for surprise Jesus is to catch
a predator.

Speaker 2 (01:57:46):
It looks like a like a like a twenty twenty
dramatization of like an abduction. I mean, thank god, thank god,
the whole wasn't red. Can you imagine? I know? And
they said, no red, it's a fucking nightmare. Okay, girl,
fucking go fishing.

Speaker 4 (01:58:09):
They slowed it down Fregno's approach, hovering over the girl.
She doesn't know yet. Young Stephanie McMahon, all right, hey,
he imagine being a kid and seeing that sailing at you. Yeah,
get away from me, you fucking green freak jumps in
the bay. Watched the problem. This guy apparently he's responsible

(01:58:32):
for this girl.

Speaker 2 (01:58:34):
He was off like fucking water. What an idiot?

Speaker 4 (01:58:38):
Come on, girl, And now he's gonna save her. The
Holk's gonna save her to show he has a heart. Uh,
he's making like burping noises. Why is he burping? The
Holk is purping, folks.

Speaker 2 (01:58:51):
That's the shot right there, That shot right there, that's
that's uh, that's Richard Keel. That shot, yep, that was
Richard Keel. Still catch.

Speaker 4 (01:59:01):
So now it's going to do is push this massive
tree over. Question is did he try to extend her
a lifeline or try to kill her?

Speaker 2 (01:59:14):
Right there? Come on, come on, yeah, grab the tree.
Come on, I'll grab it. I'll give you the tree.
Come on, don't worry dad, The green monster is going
to help me. Here where they fenway right? Brother, brother

(01:59:41):
got a gun. He sounds like he's worried about.

Speaker 4 (01:59:47):
Saving Susie instead of shooting your gun in the air
while she drowns. Oh, he put a bullet in the
hall right on the shoulder and he's busted. He's got collar.
It's not just green m Red equals queen. But he's
going there.

Speaker 2 (02:00:03):
Right or a gun jammed idiot hops on the run.

Speaker 4 (02:00:11):
Oh my god, I get fucking offensive lineman, defensive lineman.

Speaker 2 (02:00:15):
He has charged. He is going for this guy. I
wouldn't do that time of night. Be like, I don't
know what. I probably like cower down in like the
fingal position. But there's nothing I can do.

Speaker 4 (02:00:27):
He's gonna give him pounce period from the Monty brah
Ship just grabs the gun, shows the Oh my god,
on the ground with Don zimmer Bo Jackson's the gun
across his knee.

Speaker 2 (02:00:44):
What happened? What a shot? Here he goes grab grab
him on the balls too, I'm not press, throw the press.
He just fucking toss throws him into the water.

Speaker 4 (02:00:59):
Oh he's just winning, pumping his fist like he accomplished
something throughout. This guy in the water, you're a bitch,
because he throws his entire campsite into the water. Ah
fuck the tent, you're a bitch, She's like this hulk
can't You can't speak a word of English or any
of that, but he says you're a bitch.

Speaker 2 (02:01:20):
Ah fuck you. So far, pretty easy acting job for
old Loofre. Yeah, bends down, Yeah, and show his teeth.
Grandpa Joe over here fucking looking for his golden ticket. Yeah,
so he bladed his arm like dusty.

Speaker 4 (02:01:40):
Yeah, this would stand out in television in the seventies
for sure. Oh yeah, but they managed to get this
guy to look like seems mortified by the sight of

(02:02:08):
his own blood.

Speaker 2 (02:02:09):
Well on face.

Speaker 4 (02:02:13):
Doesn't realize he's all green and ship. No m He's
running around like doctor Banner, throwing people like one hundred yards.

Speaker 3 (02:02:22):
What up?

Speaker 2 (02:02:24):
Right now his hands being to changed color again, Right,
he's starting to calm down. That should always doing is
washing off the grease paints, right, although you can't do
that in water. It's waterproof.

Speaker 4 (02:02:47):
Oh, we're back to David Banner. That was a good
device to switch. Switch to look up. He's got the
green eyes, but he's back as a human.

Speaker 2 (02:02:56):
Those were old. Those were old school contact lenses, hard
contact lenses. I don't know how the fuck they did that.
I don't know how anyone did that back then. Never
need my flimsy ones. It's back to normal. Now, take
a powder.

Speaker 4 (02:03:14):
I forgot that about the Hulk. Is that once he
calms down, it goes away.

Speaker 2 (02:03:19):
Yeah, yeah, well, and then usually usually he goes through
like usually the the I mean in in in the
movies at least and whatnot. It's like it's like a
seizure where he doesn't really remember what happened. Right, that's
a temporary amnesia. Yeh huh. Why does she even take

(02:03:41):
in a shower? And I guess like they's like, we're
gonna see your tits brother. Oh man, David Banner is
bleeding from the arm at her front door.

Speaker 6 (02:03:58):
Right, Oh please, it was a bullet went through.

Speaker 4 (02:04:09):
What happened because it was a bullet and I guess
I went through.

Speaker 2 (02:04:14):
I don't know. I just woke up. Shot.

Speaker 6 (02:04:16):
We're going to get you to a hospital.

Speaker 2 (02:04:18):
Oh wait, I'm okay, Oh call a hospital.

Speaker 6 (02:04:23):
I can't go to the hospital.

Speaker 2 (02:04:24):
Why not? So I have gamma because I'm gamma positive.
So much for sucking him? Yeah right, that wound. You know,
it would actually be great for the wound if you

(02:04:45):
just if you took your clothes off right there and
just rovings on it. It might make it feel bad
to be there. Had to be a seventies Hulk porn.

Speaker 4 (02:04:52):
Oh, I can't imagine there wouldn't be. Yeah, cross makeup job. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
of course, incredible bulk.

Speaker 2 (02:05:02):
There we go. When did you say you were I
don't know.

Speaker 21 (02:05:12):
I'll tell you this one looks like it's for about
three Oh he's.

Speaker 4 (02:05:14):
Got superhealing powers too. Was the mark of any good superhero?

Speaker 2 (02:05:23):
Oh? Yes, very strange, very strange, strange. Yeah, what did
happen Gamma last night?

Speaker 6 (02:05:33):
After you left?

Speaker 2 (02:05:34):
I gammed myself.

Speaker 4 (02:05:36):
I'm surprised never happened.

Speaker 2 (02:05:39):
I'm surprised.

Speaker 4 (02:05:41):
In the late seventies early eighties, none of the territories
got freak.

Speaker 2 (02:05:44):
Now to do an angle? I know I was there
how he never got like how the first time he
actually something the wrestling was with a w BF. Gotta
be a story there. He hadn't been offered at some
point in.

Speaker 9 (02:05:58):
Every case they matched, And when and Laura had.

Speaker 2 (02:06:02):
The accident, I wasn't anger. I had no anger when
when Laura died. I felt joy when she died. That's
why I couldn't save her, because I was happy.

Speaker 7 (02:06:16):
I'll explain it over anxious.

Speaker 4 (02:06:22):
Well, let me go to my only in the seventies refrigerator.

Speaker 2 (02:06:25):
Here, get some orange juice.

Speaker 4 (02:06:29):
He's telling her how much gamma he put in himself
and she is freaking out.

Speaker 2 (02:06:33):
Okay, can you get a different shirt please? He looks
like a goof.

Speaker 4 (02:06:41):
So dehydrated. He's down in orange juice.

Speaker 20 (02:06:46):
I was driving home, had a flat tire.

Speaker 2 (02:06:51):
I was changing it.

Speaker 4 (02:06:55):
Yes, And don't explain how you got shot in the arm.

Speaker 9 (02:07:02):
I was standing in the woods like this.

Speaker 1 (02:07:08):
What happened in between?

Speaker 2 (02:07:10):
I got angry and thirsty? Apparently? What happened in between? Well,
I was in Mexico, off the grid. Actually, I suppose
his brain probably was in Mexico off the grid.

Speaker 6 (02:07:27):
Something else, something.

Speaker 1 (02:07:32):
What David try to remember?

Speaker 6 (02:07:40):
Oh, I remember.

Speaker 2 (02:07:44):
Feeling incredibly strong. I remember feeling strong. Be continued. I
do think they did that to be continued. Well, this

(02:08:05):
is so the ones that I downloaded, I compiled them together.
The ones that I downloaded were basically there was a
two so after they premiered the movie, whenever it was
aired on television, it was airs are two separate episodes,
so they re edited it. And the ones that I
downloaded were two separate episodes that I just put together.

Speaker 6 (02:08:24):
Got it, Yeah, baking and.

Speaker 7 (02:08:27):
Steve Frankl just finished and pressurization.

Speaker 2 (02:08:30):
They're back at the lab. Now, what do you mean?

Speaker 20 (02:08:34):
Well, whatever happened before might again, and if it does,
whatried about.

Speaker 4 (02:08:43):
And becoming the Hulk again to protect her if he
suddenly becomes a big green.

Speaker 2 (02:08:49):
As long as she got groceries right. Meanwhile, all I
got some stuff here apple? Was he fucking five? He
bought apple juice for him?

Speaker 8 (02:09:02):
How many did you say you injected into yourself?

Speaker 2 (02:09:07):
She bought him go Go squeezes too? Yeah? Okay, uh
where gogurt? Sweet potato puffs? Some pirates. Booty righted the
calibrator up to the last click three thousand.

Speaker 7 (02:09:25):
Yeah, it's like the electronic microscope have been modified for
higher strength.

Speaker 6 (02:09:33):
Have you seen have been modified the radiology.

Speaker 2 (02:09:35):
Unit in excess?

Speaker 4 (02:09:36):
With three he's learning that the radiology unit was adjusted
an excess of what he thought he was giving himself
to go.

Speaker 15 (02:09:46):
I did he get it?

Speaker 2 (02:09:50):
Almost two million units of Yeah, reality, Jack gotta want it. Yeah,
damn right, that's an integrated conditioning program. If I ever
heard one gamma.

Speaker 4 (02:10:05):
Pro gamma pro man, you got it, there's one bad
gabba jamma and he's locked him. She's locked him in
a room or in a trailer.

Speaker 2 (02:10:20):
I guess you could say, let's do your DNA scan again. Okay,
some tests, David.

Speaker 4 (02:10:33):
Okay, it's a little distracted by what you just told him,
which is right, administered like three times the amount of gamma.

Speaker 2 (02:10:39):
Radiating incredible amount of nuclear you know, radiation.

Speaker 4 (02:10:46):
I don't know.

Speaker 7 (02:10:49):
I don't know, but whatever it is, we're going to
get you back to normal.

Speaker 2 (02:10:53):
Well, he was likely cancer free.

Speaker 15 (02:10:55):
Reverse the process.

Speaker 2 (02:10:57):
Yeah, I don't want to change him.

Speaker 3 (02:11:02):
I don't know what I've blundered into, but it could
be the natural outgrowth of all our research.

Speaker 2 (02:11:08):
We have to try and make it happen.

Speaker 10 (02:11:11):
Again so that we can observe it.

Speaker 4 (02:11:12):
Yes, we have to try and make it happen again,
so we can observe in the laboratory setting. It's really sensible.

Speaker 7 (02:11:17):
Look, I know you have feelings of enormous strength. I
just feel that there are too many unknown factors here.

Speaker 9 (02:11:23):
We really do not know what we're.

Speaker 7 (02:11:24):
Getting ourselves into.

Speaker 2 (02:11:27):
Oh my god, he invokes Benjamin Franklin. That's right.

Speaker 4 (02:11:31):
Look, he didn't know what he was doing when he
put the kite in the thunder storm either. But it's
for science.

Speaker 6 (02:11:36):
It's right ray reversal.

Speaker 2 (02:11:39):
But we might have found what we've been looking for.
We can't just throw it away without investigating it first.
Are you being scientific about.

Speaker 15 (02:11:45):
This or you're letting your emotions run away with you?

Speaker 2 (02:11:47):
Yes?

Speaker 9 (02:11:48):
Try all right?

Speaker 7 (02:11:49):
What happens if we tap into this hidden strength?

Speaker 2 (02:11:51):
What happens?

Speaker 9 (02:11:51):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (02:11:55):
I don't know what happens if we tap into this
hidden strength. I don't know.

Speaker 16 (02:12:00):
It was built with stand the pressure of a thousand
people below.

Speaker 2 (02:12:04):
The ocean, no doubt, Elena. It's like inside a bank.

Speaker 4 (02:12:10):
Bull's assuring Elena that he's inside of a bank vault.

Speaker 2 (02:12:14):
Essentially say only he'll die. Who cares? But how does
he know how to activate that in himself. I don't
think he does. Okay, all right, he's talking to her
like he knows how to that can happen.

Speaker 8 (02:12:32):
Reconstruct everything that happened last night.

Speaker 2 (02:12:35):
Okay, he's going to reconstruct what happened to try to
trick got it all right? It was dark, make it dark?
What's that matter?

Speaker 4 (02:12:47):
He's going to recreate all the He doesn't know what
sets it off. So the fact that it was dark
may have been part of it.

Speaker 2 (02:12:54):
Yeah, I guess what about the equipment in there? So
he's gonna put fucking water. They're gonna make it rain,
will sprinklers.

Speaker 20 (02:13:07):
There's no way I can make.

Speaker 9 (02:13:09):
It rain in there.

Speaker 2 (02:13:10):
Don't worry about it.

Speaker 9 (02:13:11):
I've got an idea.

Speaker 5 (02:13:12):
Give me a second toe.

Speaker 4 (02:13:13):
It's got an idea to make it rain. It's gonna
he's gonna take fucking take a match to a to
the sprinkler.

Speaker 9 (02:13:24):
M David, what are you doing in there?

Speaker 2 (02:13:29):
Does it opened a pipe? Oh wow?

Speaker 20 (02:13:31):
Pounds of pressure behind the main water feed.

Speaker 2 (02:13:34):
I'm opening it up a little.

Speaker 4 (02:13:38):
It's gonna let it open just a bit so it
sprays out.

Speaker 6 (02:13:52):
Anything.

Speaker 2 (02:13:52):
It's still not hulk nothing on. Doesn't he know that.

Speaker 4 (02:13:59):
She has to hit him? Whether a finisher before he
can come home.

Speaker 2 (02:14:04):
You know he's gonna he's gonna. There's gonna be a
little more heat segment than this. Right last, there was
a light there we go. Come on, come on, where,
come on me? Come on, my tis.

Speaker 4 (02:14:28):
It would be funny if that was like a female
version of like suck, like, come on my ticks, leave
me alone?

Speaker 2 (02:14:44):
Powers off? There we go, power hour?

Speaker 9 (02:15:01):
All right, now, increase the load of the power grid
a little at a time.

Speaker 2 (02:15:10):
Okay, it's increasing the load. You're damn right you okay, yeah,
I'm fine.

Speaker 4 (02:15:18):
There's just sucking. A lightning storm going on all around now,
I'm sucking with questions. That's happening, all right. That's one
hour one hour for hour, nightmare, David.

Speaker 9 (02:15:40):
We'd better stop.

Speaker 8 (02:15:42):
I don't see any purpose in.

Speaker 20 (02:15:43):
Going on.

Speaker 16 (02:15:45):
Just a little longer.

Speaker 2 (02:15:47):
It's gonna turn into Clarence the Guardian Angel or what?

Speaker 9 (02:15:50):
Yeah, what's wrong? I don't know.

Speaker 2 (02:15:56):
Oh, he's such a bitch. Why wou't it work? He's
screaming at her, not her fault.

Speaker 6 (02:16:02):
Did you draw yourself off and get some fresh clothes
out of the locker?

Speaker 2 (02:16:04):
Okay, won't you shut up? Exactly? He's gonna give up there.
It is turkey on wheat, Turkey on whole wheat, motherfucker
on whole wheat.

Speaker 4 (02:16:23):
You know, director Ken Johnson got his hands on some
of that.

Speaker 2 (02:16:26):
Listen. You know they made extras for him school, you know.
You know he's off screen right now, fucking just chomping down,
like three of them are built. Yep, we'll do it again,
and I won't do it again. There's time. Let me

(02:16:46):
meet your sandwich, he said. He's got a subtle manner
about him, does he. I'm sorry, I'm sorry that I
said I'd come on your tits right.

Speaker 18 (02:17:03):
Look, you may be in there alone, but we're in
this together.

Speaker 6 (02:17:06):
It's nice as usual.

Speaker 2 (02:17:09):
Can I be in you together? King, King, King, King,
King King King, Yeah yeah, King King, kank, thank you.
I could nigreen war leave your electrodes on? Are you kidding?

(02:17:39):
Are you kidding? David? I wear electrodes and nothing else
to bed.

Speaker 4 (02:17:44):
Right, it's just such a sense of failure being conveyed here,
King King, kN King, Okay, Oh, I'll guess we'll never
know what happened with Bruce Banner and his lovely assistant

(02:18:08):
and the Gamma Ray project. Right, we'll see you next
time in that ass yeh, Who's is that her? Or
is that somebody else over there? I think that's her her?
Doctor Banner is getting some some shut eye.

Speaker 20 (02:18:31):
Or is he?

Speaker 2 (02:18:33):
All the.

Speaker 4 (02:18:35):
Brain wave readings are staying active, and then we cut
to black, come back.

Speaker 2 (02:18:43):
To be right back right after this word from our sponsor.
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(02:19:15):
observing him closely.

Speaker 7 (02:19:31):
Five Doctor Bennat began rapid eye movement indicating dream state,
not considerable agitation and heavy increase in both GSR and.

Speaker 2 (02:19:39):
His increased readings while sleeping.

Speaker 7 (02:19:50):
Gs R is also beginning to register apparently the dreams
upsetting it.

Speaker 6 (02:19:54):
I think he's having a nightmare.

Speaker 2 (02:20:15):
Got that soft, fuzzy look right.

Speaker 4 (02:20:19):
Going through, kicking the car again and trying to get
her out of the burning car, trying to lift it.

Speaker 2 (02:20:30):
Kane.

Speaker 4 (02:20:31):
Maybe the eyes open and they're green, and the machines
out of its mind.

Speaker 2 (02:20:47):
Levels off.

Speaker 4 (02:20:50):
She's rendered silent malfunction. She assuments it's malfunction and bone
the green fist fires are right through the glass.

Speaker 2 (02:21:08):
And he is on the move. Wow, David, David, is
that you're in danger?

Speaker 6 (02:21:15):
Yes, Doctor Benner is no longer in the pressure chamber.

Speaker 2 (02:21:20):
He has metamorphosized into.

Speaker 4 (02:21:22):
He's metamorphosized, alright, straordinary creature.

Speaker 2 (02:21:28):
I love that she doesn't run out the building. I
know she's still concerned with her fucking scientific discovery. Here.
He's got scientific observations to make you know. I'd be gone.
Science ain't worth This ship.

Speaker 4 (02:21:42):
Is hulk wrecks the diner car that is in God,
a child.

Speaker 2 (02:21:50):
Still a child, throwing a monster standrum which is a
stealing corning from doesn't hold him piping and holds barred. Yeah, pounding,
He just tries to lay pipe with right, jo Severan's

(02:22:11):
just like a chromium.

Speaker 6 (02:22:11):
All or steel.

Speaker 7 (02:22:12):
And yet this creature is able to make incident by
using both hands together.

Speaker 4 (02:22:18):
I seem to recall him breaking down a door this
way too, with a NAT's handle.

Speaker 6 (02:22:21):
Contained in the chamber.

Speaker 2 (02:22:23):
Yeah, he probably did. He destroyed the cars and stuff.

Speaker 7 (02:22:28):
Right fuckingly broken off.

Speaker 2 (02:22:33):
I can't get through that, lady.

Speaker 4 (02:22:39):
He's loose, Oh my god, right through the window. I
don't think we're starting to see the original uh seeds
being planted for selling those hulk fists for such a
big deal a while ago.

Speaker 2 (02:22:55):
Oh, yes, I like those of a considerably larger.

Speaker 1 (02:23:00):
Orders, like being caged out.

Speaker 6 (02:23:03):
It's moving towards the elder hatch area.

Speaker 1 (02:23:06):
It's I don't know how long that hatch can hold it.

Speaker 2 (02:23:16):
Well, not anymore.

Speaker 4 (02:23:17):
His slow motion his hit. When the slow motion him
it allows, he's much more believable. Yes, And if you
saw him doing these things in real live action, that
probably wouldn't look that.

Speaker 2 (02:23:30):
Devastating.

Speaker 3 (02:23:32):
There's no blood that I can see.

Speaker 2 (02:23:35):
It seems to be driven back his rage to escape.

Speaker 6 (02:23:41):
He's going.

Speaker 2 (02:23:43):
He's going to this. It's a tabolism.

Speaker 6 (02:23:58):
Must be going in an extraordinary rate, which would explain
why David's.

Speaker 2 (02:24:02):
Quickly mm hmm. Here he goes and there is the
pealing open the door. He is free. He has loose.

Speaker 4 (02:24:21):
What's he gonna do? Traps, just like Terry had back.
It's as much about the traps as it is the biceps.
That's all right, it's all right, munster man.

Speaker 2 (02:24:44):
That's it's.

Speaker 6 (02:24:51):
It's okay, it's okay.

Speaker 4 (02:24:53):
Can she George the animal steel? Elizabeth?

Speaker 6 (02:24:58):
Can you understand me?

Speaker 14 (02:25:00):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (02:25:01):
Can you understand?

Speaker 9 (02:25:02):
Can you speak? Ah?

Speaker 20 (02:25:05):
Okay?

Speaker 2 (02:25:06):
Only burp o lord mm hmmm.

Speaker 4 (02:25:29):
Yeah, sounds to me that remember the cinemat crossover. M
you gonna do what you're gonna do?

Speaker 1 (02:25:50):
Mhm, can you come with me?

Speaker 2 (02:26:04):
Heather clem trying to get him into bed. Here, shut
shut he She has managed to slow him down substantially. Oh,
he's turning you you you you. She's just standing there

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like this is normal, right, like this is okay behavior.

Speaker 4 (02:26:50):
She lets out a huge exhal on the return of
doctor banners.

Speaker 2 (02:26:55):
All right, you're back now. Of course, she's completely incredulous
as to what just happened. Yep, that's a good commercial break,

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very nice, a very all right, back to the Dharma initiative.

Speaker 6 (02:27:26):
I mean I was sleeping, you were dreaming?

Speaker 2 (02:27:29):
What I was like dreaming the indicator.

Speaker 4 (02:27:35):
She's shilling in the EEG from when I was asleep.

Speaker 2 (02:27:37):
I don't remember. Try try, oh, shut up, try try
it might help us understand. Yes, Oh, everything was the accident, Lauren,
I were driving.

Speaker 6 (02:27:53):
It was the accident. She was trapped in the car.

Speaker 4 (02:27:57):
Did you feel anything that's an got frustration, extreme.

Speaker 2 (02:28:10):
Anger, extreame anger, remember feeling? What is it anger?

Speaker 6 (02:28:16):
I was angry?

Speaker 2 (02:28:17):
Oh I know is I was angry?

Speaker 6 (02:28:19):
And last night I was angry too.

Speaker 9 (02:28:22):
I was.

Speaker 4 (02:28:23):
I was totally if he looked into this, But now
that I kind of realized there was, this pilot film
really is focusing on just that transition from Banner to
Hulk and understanding it. What does the rest of the
whole series look like? Does he like fight bad guys?
Does he robberies?

Speaker 2 (02:28:37):
Yeah? Yeah, he he becomes like he you know, he
becomes like an action hero.

Speaker 4 (02:28:43):
Does he run into any other supernatural enemies or does
he battle humans?

Speaker 3 (02:28:46):
No?

Speaker 2 (02:28:46):
They mostly again they mostly kept away from that kind
of stuff from kind of more the comic book he
sci fi elements. It was that would but he would
you know, he'd he'd fight bad guys and you know,
conquer bad guy eyes and whatnot.

Speaker 6 (02:29:01):
That is just what this creature is like.

Speaker 18 (02:29:02):
It's like, it's like a childish.

Speaker 4 (02:29:05):
Sub human said, Hulk is like a childish sub human.
That sounds like a professional wrestling enough from.

Speaker 2 (02:29:11):
Linda Hogan, that's not possible. She kind of gives off.
Linda Hogan vibes.

Speaker 9 (02:29:25):
Off.

Speaker 4 (02:29:25):
Hey, they're concluding it must be his anger that triggers it.

Speaker 20 (02:29:28):
What do you know?

Speaker 2 (02:29:31):
So like, yeah, the the second one, like like part
of it is this you know, as we'll see at
the end here in spoiler alert, like he runs off.
You know, there's an element of the fugitive in the
series in that he's a down right now over the

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fact that he can't control it. If he's anger, that
triggers it controls anger, right, and so you know he's
he's like a mix of trying to you know, find
a cure for himself, but also yeah, you know he's
he like you know them kill kills, bad guys or whatever.

Speaker 4 (02:30:15):
This warrid is going to kill somebody. And she says
David Banner is not a killer, and he says, well,
we're not dealing with David Banner and we're not dealing
with Terry Boley dealing with That's right, won't kill I
wonder if Terry ever thought of this and was like,
you know what, brothers a lot more peril than my thought, dude,
in that Terry Bulay cannot be blamed for things the

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Hulk does.

Speaker 2 (02:30:36):
Yeah, brother, I mean, how can I know, how could
how could Terry Blay be blamed for on the fans
if it's who during the fans Broler, right, I struggled,
just like Bruce Benner did do to kind of keep
AI in on this thing, kind of gotten to all
this thing back in Broler logical treatment to try to

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counteract the gamma rays. He dialed up the gamma rays.
All right, problem, what is this guy?

Speaker 6 (02:31:09):
Some police here?

Speaker 2 (02:31:11):
Brother, probably that fucking old nanny threw in the water.
Yeah right, that's the guy right there.

Speaker 17 (02:31:18):
Doctor Banner.

Speaker 6 (02:31:21):
Doctor, yeah, Scotty to drive.

Speaker 2 (02:31:24):
Up here, will you please? We'll do sir. There it is.

Speaker 4 (02:31:33):
Highway patrol pulling it up. A lab fucking chip that's coming.

Speaker 2 (02:31:36):
Up here, these guys. What's going on?

Speaker 6 (02:31:40):
All right here? We are all right?

Speaker 2 (02:31:42):
Nine one one, Yeah? Are you doctor Banner?

Speaker 11 (02:31:47):
Today we found an automobile registered to you overturned on
the north side across.

Speaker 2 (02:31:51):
I understand that you are the proprietor of a h
of A, an institute of scientific research. Sarah, what are you?
Who are your fingers? I know I can't say that
I understand what you're talking about. As he's talking to
the cop, the journalist walks right up by the conversation.

Speaker 9 (02:32:11):
I thought a friend had taken it. Your friend wouldn't
take a shoe about the size.

Speaker 2 (02:32:18):
He's got a footprint that's a plastic from Holt car.

Speaker 10 (02:32:24):
There were many of them in the mister McGee, we
have no authoritative that those footprints are real, and we
do not want to start a panic.

Speaker 2 (02:32:33):
That's right, it's good.

Speaker 4 (02:32:34):
We don't want to start a panic around here. This
journalist wants to play it up. That's the constant tension.
Law enforcement wants to play it down. Journalists want to
play it up.

Speaker 2 (02:32:43):
Right, No, no, I don't. It's a fact of life. Yep.

Speaker 7 (02:32:49):
You have twenty four hours to arrange to have the
debris clear, that the highway patrol and take care of it,
and you will be built.

Speaker 2 (02:32:55):
For It's worried about who's gonna have to pay the
damage the bills? I mean not this fucking he Isn't
he paying the bill either way? So like, why doesn't
you just freaking let the cops do and I'll pay
the bill. William Dafoe over here has got something else
to say about it does look like William to vote
an't he? What was it?

Speaker 9 (02:33:13):
Bigfoot?

Speaker 2 (02:33:14):
What was it? Bigfoot? Jolly green giant?

Speaker 6 (02:33:16):
There you go, big hug, not seven feet hulk?

Speaker 2 (02:33:23):
He said, there it is?

Speaker 9 (02:33:25):
You mean, looking scared the daylights out of the girls.

Speaker 2 (02:33:29):
Oh, he's talked he's talked to that little girl.

Speaker 9 (02:33:31):
Yep, old man shot the thing on the shoulder, and
then what happened?

Speaker 2 (02:33:36):
Doctor Banner wants details. Now, he wants to talk to
this guy. He wants to know what happens because he
doesn't know what happened.

Speaker 9 (02:33:41):
I can picked the man up and threw him un
estimated thirty yards looking.

Speaker 4 (02:33:46):
Gordon solely over here reporting out, Oh my god, he
does look like Gordon. Isn't he like young Gordon?

Speaker 9 (02:33:54):
Are you sure that you don't know a little something
about this? I mean the hawk's footprint was that.

Speaker 2 (02:34:00):
Hulk's foot printed? Is funny?

Speaker 4 (02:34:01):
How we just call him Hulk like that? He Hulk
got his name from a random journalist to his trying
to characterize it's funny.

Speaker 6 (02:34:11):
Oh, mister, have you been inoculated for?

Speaker 2 (02:34:16):
Brother? I'm sorry?

Speaker 8 (02:34:17):
What?

Speaker 2 (02:34:17):
What where you knocking?

Speaker 9 (02:34:19):
What you see?

Speaker 6 (02:34:19):
We have a live German culture incubating inside.

Speaker 4 (02:34:21):
I have a lot of coronavirus in here, Sir wouldn't
walk again? What does he just like have a little
stroke there?

Speaker 2 (02:34:33):
Yeah?

Speaker 9 (02:34:36):
Anytime you.

Speaker 2 (02:34:39):
That's a good line. There we go.

Speaker 4 (02:34:41):
Anytime you feel an interview coming on, you get in touch.
Sounds like you're boys on that fucking complete hul Cogan.

Speaker 6 (02:34:48):
At least we know where the bullet wound came from.

Speaker 2 (02:34:51):
The creature won't kill, hasn't killed, or won't kill? What
is the hulk? What can we say about the hult?

Speaker 7 (02:35:00):
And all it did was break his rifle and throw
him in the lake.

Speaker 1 (02:35:03):
It won't kill you, won't kill.

Speaker 2 (02:35:06):
He doesn't mind. Hulk won't kill.

Speaker 6 (02:35:10):
But I want to make sure that that never happens again.

Speaker 2 (02:35:12):
I want to be doctor Banner, not Doctor Jekyll. Okay,
we have to we we don't need to. We were
to be reminded of the connection between doctor Jackel mister Hyde.

Speaker 4 (02:35:32):
Instead of leaving, the journalist just crouches in the brush. Absolutely,
it's a cigarette. Tremendous looking at the building, internal Frank
driving monologue, I couldn't help but think there might be
something going on here for.

Speaker 18 (02:35:51):
A little while.

Speaker 2 (02:35:52):
No, he left the evening, Okay, good, still watching and
where the hell was I right? Exactly?

Speaker 4 (02:36:07):
I thought as they drove off, I better leave this brush.
And then it shows him put a toothbrush on the grass.

Speaker 2 (02:36:14):
And this one I mean, leaves the hair brush as well.

Speaker 4 (02:36:26):
Okay, so this journalist is going to break in.

Speaker 2 (02:36:31):
Hey, you got to get the scoop right. Culver Institute
kind of is like the Silver Dome.

Speaker 4 (02:36:43):
Yeah, you can see in the window a big damaged
fuselage that hulk was in and broke to pieces.

Speaker 2 (02:36:52):
The hell is going on right here? Right? How that happened?

Speaker 9 (02:37:05):
I'll crack it up?

Speaker 2 (02:37:07):
Exposing himself to Gamma rays again? Why is he doing this?

Speaker 9 (02:37:10):
No?

Speaker 6 (02:37:10):
Why not?

Speaker 4 (02:37:13):
I don't know because it freaked him out what happened
the last time. I don't know what makes him think
redoing it's gonna help? Okay, ready, should has her to
do it so you could have a mama hooked too,
I guess yeah, three two one, gam activated once again.

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There's that noise. Now the journalist has made entry. Breaking
and entering, I believe is what the police would call it.

(02:37:56):
I mean, he is just creepy looking, he really is.
They find someone creepier looking in.

Speaker 2 (02:38:02):
The hope the experts treatment didn't tell. I mean, like,
I wouldn't trust him as a journalist at all.

Speaker 7 (02:38:12):
A favor get mad.

Speaker 2 (02:38:17):
Too soon? That was way too soon, there, lady materials
together and let the people know too soon for what? Well,
she said, just don't get mad? Come on, lady, what
he's going through like, don't you don't you can't. Can't
you appreciate the pain? The pain? Yeah, it's like what

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they called the movie in France when it came out
Set of Incredible Hope. They called it the Pain, the pain,
cry the pain, verdet and cryob Oh, jeez, incredible.

Speaker 14 (02:39:00):
Up.

Speaker 4 (02:39:01):
That changes the sense of things, doesn't it? What the
hell is that is that crystal? A diamond?

Speaker 6 (02:39:09):
Hello? Diamond?

Speaker 2 (02:39:10):
What the hell is just leaving here? There's more down here?
That's glass, It's broken glass. Gives a ship about glass?
What then is this? Oh?

Speaker 4 (02:39:29):
They're coming back, but are hide in the closet. Something
tells me he's gonna bear witness to another hunt outburst.

Speaker 2 (02:39:39):
The walls are made of lead. Oh he heard him
pizza a pizza box. I don't think so, no more,

(02:40:00):
you think okay, Always going into the same store, droom
the journalist. Is this the bathroom?

Speaker 4 (02:40:13):
I'm walking around the cas a place, something spelling in there.

Speaker 2 (02:40:17):
The cops.

Speaker 4 (02:40:18):
I'm dying that all the cops. I'm dying to hear
you explain that exploded, telling him in a pressuration test
exploded and he doesn't buy it.

Speaker 9 (02:40:30):
I heard you talking about your friend coming back.

Speaker 2 (02:40:34):
Yeah, I heard you talking about coming back. I heard
you talking about your friend coming back. That spelling producing smoke.
H what do you say about that? Doctor? Huh?

Speaker 9 (02:40:53):
Really, what happens?

Speaker 2 (02:40:56):
You can't bullshit? A bullshit are here? Fortunately for you,
we took it back to the main lab. What the
cool wins? I mean, really, that's the fucking name he
gave McGhee.

Speaker 4 (02:41:13):
Apparently. Uh oh, since Jude's private property.

Speaker 9 (02:41:19):
Sir, creature, it is your duty to report.

Speaker 8 (02:41:24):
You.

Speaker 9 (02:41:24):
I have never seen this creature that you're talking about.

Speaker 2 (02:41:27):
Give me fair share. That's actually fair. He has never
seen the creature, right that lie?

Speaker 4 (02:41:34):
Forgive me, doctor, But I am calling you a liar.

Speaker 6 (02:41:36):
You wouldn't like me when I'm angry.

Speaker 2 (02:41:37):
You wouldn't like me when I'm angry. Don't make me angry.

Speaker 4 (02:41:43):
Uh oh, rollers is the smoke rising from that spilling substance?
Oh ship, Oh she's dead. No way she survived that explosion. Oh,
Doctor Banner is gonna rush into the flames looking like

(02:42:05):
Gino Hernandez.

Speaker 2 (02:42:11):
Helena. Oh explosion after explosion.

Speaker 14 (02:42:21):
M h.

Speaker 2 (02:42:34):
Uh Oh.

Speaker 4 (02:42:38):
The Caesar splayed out on the floor unconscious. Yeah, gotta turning.
All eyes turned green? So such as anger. I guess
it's anxiety or stressing any type. Yeah, usually it's that's
what it is. Yeah, yeah, his back need a frame.
You just gonna take a minute to war at the

(02:42:59):
flame before he does something.

Speaker 2 (02:43:03):
Care we go.

Speaker 4 (02:43:05):
It's an under the cinema classic for those not engaged.
Prepare for the right of a lifetime follow along this
root for it now makes the same feature a UTC
staple the family feed music.

Speaker 2 (02:43:22):
There we go. Think it rises from the flames at
the perfect time. Oh my god, here it goes.

Speaker 4 (02:43:36):
It comes upon her as that it's the science witches.
Oh my god, just feels so much less stressful watching
it to this music, doesn't It lifts the ward offer
her ooh, lifts her up.

Speaker 2 (02:44:01):
Oh my god, this is hull can Elizabeth if you
realize that totally is.

Speaker 4 (02:44:10):
O from the exit planning are up the stairs. He
comes out of the flames with Elizabeth in his arms.

Speaker 2 (02:44:27):
Perfect end. Here comes his explosion from da it's gonna
end writing the song does.

Speaker 4 (02:44:45):
Hello, building some shop with the ex sound moment, the
sound hands the mushroom cloud, Oh chest, help to me
blea shit, Oh shit.

Speaker 2 (02:44:58):
That's amazing.

Speaker 4 (02:45:00):
Oh because running through the woods with Elizabeth.

Speaker 2 (02:45:04):
Looks like an idiot, looks like a fucking wrestled, like
doing the their their fucking breathing technique.

Speaker 4 (02:45:10):
There, Yes, David, she's alive. And she comes to it's
Hulk looking at her, not banner. It's gonna put his
her finger in his mouth.

Speaker 2 (02:45:33):
It looks like he's No, you won't. Uh h.

Speaker 6 (02:45:50):
I don't know if you can understand.

Speaker 4 (02:45:52):
I don't know if you can understand me. She says,
I should know something, but I want you to know something,
dear David.

Speaker 2 (02:46:06):
I have loved you.

Speaker 4 (02:46:07):
Oh god, okay, well all right, well it's inappropriate in
the workplace.

Speaker 2 (02:46:13):
I mean, that's like that girl whispering I love you into.

Speaker 3 (02:46:28):
Me.

Speaker 2 (02:46:28):
Stewart's here, Stewart, Yeah, you're right. She just passed out.

Speaker 4 (02:46:34):
M M, I always love you, George Bailey, and he
lets out a whale of grief upon her death. So
she's done in the first episode.

Speaker 2 (02:46:44):
I guess.

Speaker 4 (02:46:49):
Now he's gonna be pissed for the rest of his
lad lost to women now and including in his invincible skin.
There can be many more random Hulk outbreaks to come.
For one absolutely one per week for five seasons at

(02:47:09):
that right, and probably two per week during sweeps, just
leaves her corpse in the woods and walks away. Gay
thrower three hundred yards in the in the water too,
bade the black and there marks his grave and next

(02:47:35):
to her David Bruce Banner. David Bruce Banner presumed dead.

Speaker 2 (02:47:40):
And the explosion and yes, I give VPS. We're at
the actual service here the burial journalists there. Wow, dickhead,
I want to read my story fucking Chevy Chase over here.

(02:48:06):
It's gonna say that Chevy Chase and the Incredible Hulk
kills two.

Speaker 4 (02:48:14):
That was the headline, Incredible Hulk Kills two.

Speaker 2 (02:48:16):
And that's right, doctor.

Speaker 9 (02:48:21):
I saw that creature.

Speaker 2 (02:48:22):
I saw what that creature did to a steel chair.

Speaker 9 (02:48:25):
I heard your friends talk.

Speaker 2 (02:48:28):
He fucking sounds like Gordon Sooley. It's not even funny.

Speaker 9 (02:48:34):
Description. Law enforcement agencies, I got a warrant.

Speaker 4 (02:48:37):
Murder weren't for murder out there, and they were worried
when he eaves dropped that the Hulk would come back
in any time when they grab it. That's gonna be
one of the great stories of the twentieth century. It's
going to be there to cover it, no question about it. Absolutely,

(02:49:03):
it's gonna be an empty casket. Loof Rigno's head fucking
pops out from the ground. Yeah, it's the countertaker. There
is doctor Banner now walking amongst the gravestones, because of
course he's not dead.

Speaker 2 (02:49:18):
I suggest that our research materials together.

Speaker 4 (02:49:21):
Yes, past conversations with Lena ring around in his head.
Stay away from this fucking guys, right, Jesus.

Speaker 2 (02:49:34):
About that?

Speaker 4 (02:49:34):
Visiting his own grave and bell bottoms. There's some wide pants.
Were you street sweeping?

Speaker 8 (02:49:42):
Ye?

Speaker 2 (02:49:43):
Well he need it for the Hulk. You got whiter calves,
so you know, I bet it gets a lot of well,
she's got the caskets, he's got no casket.

Speaker 4 (02:49:54):
Right, a lot of chafing with those thigh muscles.

Speaker 2 (02:49:57):
Oh, I imagine Jay Bannair. That would be his name.
Elena Grave. It's fucking like basically like those little designs
are like her nipples and he's like rubbing them. So
that's how we're gonna end this thing.

Speaker 4 (02:50:13):
Him just harassing Elena's grave.

Speaker 2 (02:50:17):
So fucking perverted. Ah oh yeah, Elena.

Speaker 4 (02:50:27):
Small smile forms on his face and he returns the
I love you.

Speaker 2 (02:50:33):
To her.

Speaker 6 (02:50:35):
I think too.

Speaker 2 (02:50:37):
Well, So he doesn't know, right, he doesn't know. He
didn't that she told right, she loved him. She told
the Hulk this, she didn't tell Bruce walks away from
the grave and presume we roll credits, Yes, there we go. Written,
produced and directed by Kenneth Johnson.

Speaker 4 (02:50:56):
There's no turning back now. The Incredible Hulk is in
the ether. And you better believe that future bookers of
One Terry Bolea are paying close attention.

Speaker 20 (02:51:05):
Boss.

Speaker 2 (02:51:05):
You're absolutely right. And what I can promise you this
is this is definitely not the last time we will
see the Incredible Hulk character under the cinemat for sure.
Just an appetizer, Just an appetizer that's further down the line.

(02:51:27):
And well, that wraps it up for us this week
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