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Speaker 5 (01:05):
The co chairmen are very much in the kitchen, cooking
up the tribute that justifies that pays homage to that
is befitting of the impact that Hull Cogan made, and
we'll be rolling that out in the next little while.
But while we're in the laboratory trying to figure out
how to attack this gargantuan career, we can't stop the
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rest of the world boss from putting out documentaries, from
doing things that you know, are the first drafts of history.
We're in a post Hull Cogan world and the survivors
are trying to now start to write the history.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
You know, honestly, can TMZ should just be like, you know,
I don't know the I'm trying to think of a
way to say it, like with their initials, but they
just they just want to put the shit out there first.
Oh yeah, very much. So they don't they don't care,
they don't care necessarily about the quality or the substance.
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They just want to get it out first.
Speaker 5 (02:05):
TMZ presents the real Hull Coogan and before we launch
the complete Hulkogan here at the Lapsed Fan Wrestling Podcast
and put down what, of course will be the final
word on Hulk Hogan's legacy and in and out of
the ring, but way more so in the ring than
you ever could have imagined. We thought, perhaps it's a
bit of a preamble to the forthcoming complete Hull Cogan
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series that we just put this first attempt at summing
up Hulk's life and times under the microscope for you all.
Consider it again, a bit of a preamble to the
Complete Hulk Hogan. TMZ just released their Hull Cogan docu series,
which got docky series. Documentary's an hour long, forty five
minutes with commercials, and got a lot of attention because
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Vince McMahon sat for an interview. Yeah, the first time
I think he's done such a thing since announcing the
sale of ww DO Endeavor on that WrestleMania weekend, and
certainly the first time we've seen him great length like
this since the allegations really really peaked against him. And
so we're gonna get We're gonna talk about Vince's thoughts
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and all that happened with Hulk. Fascinating stuff, he says.
At certain points, Harvey Levin gets to sit in the
chair and kick back, and what a world on where
you can just sit in a room and talk to
a screen. And I mean, you made a documentary.
Speaker 2 (03:20):
You know what, I don't know if I even bube
they fucking did that, you know, to be honest with you,
because like if you look at all the interviews, like
at some point they're looking at the camera and then
all of a sudden when they cut to the when
they cut to the actual shot, all of a sudden,
they're looking off camera, Like so, I mean, he's just
pulling some Edward R. Morrow shit, is what he's doing.
Speaker 5 (03:39):
You know, I'd go with you if I couldn't see
the little zoom thing in the bottom left hand corner
with their names. I think what happens is he's looking
at the zoom feed and they send an actual professional
videographer to shoot the same person from the side as
he's talking to Harvey over a video.
Speaker 2 (03:52):
Call maybe, and I think the video looks too good,
even on the far away over the shoulder shot screen.
For so yeah, I don't know. I just I think
I think it's I think, if I if I were
to guess, they he put all the questions together, and
he sent somebody out there like right away to each
of those people's houses. They fucking did their thing, and
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then he comes back and like you know, they he
just asks the questions in a way that seem, you know,
like it's live. You know, he he performs it. He
performs it.
Speaker 5 (04:23):
That's why he's and I think that's why it's such
a soft spot for Hulk. I think if there's anybody
who was going to drop everything to do a documentary
about it would be Hulk because Hulk has been so
important at TMC over the years. You know, their coverage
of him and his scandal has brought so much add
revenue into their pockets. It destroyed Gawker, which was a
direct competitor that was really nipping at their heels in
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a lot of ways. Hulk, you know, and his people
would always slip them exclusives or deep background comments. They
clearly are in with Brooke and her side of the equation.
They were right in the middle of all the coverage
of the Hulk Linda divorce. We'd spent so much time
during the Teenage Journey talking about TMZ and the things
Hulk would say there when he wouldn't be talking to
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anybody else. Remember, we even found an email from Dixie
Carter that came up in his lawsuit against Laser Spine
where she's urging him to not do this TMZ interview
right right in the middle of all this controversy about
his sex tape, and TMZ had a hold on this guy. Man,
he hal Cogan was the most TMZ character walk in
the face of the earth, the kind of guy who
wasn't quite sure if he was worth anything unless TMZ
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had some reason to talk about that month.
Speaker 2 (05:32):
Seriously, that's that's it. I mean, you know, he was.
He was one of those kind of Hogan ended up
becoming one of those guys where it's like, as long
as people are talking about you, it's okay, very much so,
and it's like it is it though? Is that I
think he shows that it's not okay, it's not okay.
Actually it's actually bad. It's very bad. I don't know,
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I I it was, I don't know. It just it
just seems like a sad existence when that's it. I mean,
I think I think it's proven that people can can
live in this. You know, you can live in the
spotlight but also not live in the spotlight. Yeah, you know,
and if you have to live in the spotlight all
the time like that, like if you're that desperate for it,
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like what do you there's if that's the way you
stay relevant it means you're not relevant. I see, you know,
like there's something off. Yeah, there's no one.
Speaker 5 (06:31):
Banging down Hulk's doore, Hulks banging down everybody else's door
exactly by that thing, by this thing come to this
karaoke night. I mean, you know, some would call it
keeping busy in retirement. Others would call it just the
last dying breaths of a lifetime.
Speaker 2 (06:46):
Carney, Yes, yeah, yep.
Speaker 5 (06:48):
And I wonder how people will come away from this, uh,
this first treatment, this first uh sort of national television
treatment of Hulk's life and times after his passing. I
guess we should just rip the bandaid off off the top. Vince, parents,
what the stat the state of Jamain?
Speaker 2 (07:05):
Do you remember? Do you remember when we watched G I.
Joe the movie? Yeah, okay, do you remember Cobra Commander
gets the thing on his like and then he has
to take his mask off, and he looks That's what
he looks like. He looks like Cobra Commander after he
got poisoned with the thing. I mean, he looks awful
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in his little fucking like his little skunk spot on
the front in the front of him. What's he doing?
What is he doing? That's my question? What is he doing?
Like just go gray man, like make up your mind
either either either diet black, like what is the like
some the problem is some some prostitute said it looked good.
I see, you know. That's what it comes down to.
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Some prostitutes said it looked good, and he's like, oh,
well there he is all right, very good, and I'll
do that.
Speaker 5 (07:54):
Vince definitely is at a stage of life and has
the kind of money where people are going to compliment him,
but you know, for that exact race, you know, and
he's just gonna be tricked and convinced into like that
the not the different color not in his tie, Like oh,
I know, he he's still doing that. What are you doing?
Didn't that go out in like twenty ten or whatever,
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Like he's the only person ever saw go that hard
on it. He's still doing I know. And he's got
his master the logo of his fourteenth and eye or whatever.
This new company, this new LLC he founded plastered on
the wall behind. And this guy thinks he's in business.
Speaker 2 (08:28):
He's such a fucking joke.
Speaker 5 (08:30):
Did you see the way his cheeks puffed out? How
purple his lips were, Oh, I mean, he looks.
Speaker 2 (08:37):
Like if you, if you huge part of the reason
this sex scandal with him is so is that face
because he's repulsive. The skin it's coming, it's it's trying
to escape the collar of issue, right like you wonder
to yourself what happened? You know? You know people, I mean,
look you get sliced alone on there and look he
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looks awful too. All right, he looks like but you
know what, he still looks like a fucking human being.
At least he looks like an old man, grandpasted alone.
Vince sick man doesn't look like a human being. It
looks like he's been filled with embalming fluid. He looks
like a reptile. He looks like a reptile.
Speaker 5 (09:19):
Like you would see like a loved one that passed away.
And you look in the casket at the funeral and
they don't really look like themselves, just a vague vestige
of what you remember because of all the embalming process.
That's what he looks like. And uh, bless his heart,
but my god, like it's and he's had so much
surgery to try to reverse it. Just let it just age, man,
(09:42):
What are you doing I mean, he just he just
it just it's it. It's scary because it was it's
almost like a night and day thing with him, like
he went from looking like Vince McMahon and all of
a sudden he looks like this beast.
Speaker 2 (10:01):
I just I was like, should we do this? Is
this a good idea? And then as soon as I
saw those clips of him, I'm like, this has to
be done. I mean, forget even that the moment that it,
the moment that it started, Honestly, I was like, Okay,
this is definitely gonna be worth it because it's just
a it's it's it is. It is beyond fluff. It
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is beyond Yeah, for sure. It is just like the
most superficial and listen, you know what, it's it's smart
on their move. People are gonna watch it. It's gonna
probably have more eyes on this documentary than any piece
on Hulk Hogan ever because it's the first one and
that's always going to be a winner. And I get it,
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but it just is so stupid. The first four I mean,
you get the first little what five ten minutes is
the is the live discovery of hul Cogan dying, which
is yeah, can.
Speaker 5 (10:57):
We talk about the beginning here? I mean Los Angeles, California. Yeah,
and they play like the drivetime radio sound, that classic
like cliche, like the bustling city.
Speaker 2 (11:07):
It makes you think of the paper at the beginning
of the paper. It's like but I'm like, I'm like,
I don't know, there's there's a kind of morbidity of
it's like morbid, you know, there's just like it's just
a craven behavior.
Speaker 5 (11:19):
Yeah, I mean, can you imagine that guy who freaks
out on the phone when he's getting the phone call.
Harvey's having his editorial meeting with his fucking uh you know,
stainless steel cup and this guy that stands up with
the polo waving his arms like a madman because he's
got a breaking story. Hogan's dead. Can you imagine that
guy's life? I mean, you think that guy has a
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moment's piece, No eight thirty dinners where he like talks
to it. Think think about this, Okay, think about this,
because their entire work day is on the camera, like
what a pathetic existence, texting and then Harvey apparently makes
a call. I don't know who he called, but it
looked to me like he was trying to confirm Hogan's
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death by calling someone who he knew could pass the
phone to Hogan and asking them can he can I
ask call something? It's very important, or at least that's
the way they edited together whatever it was he was saying,
which is that's how it came.
Speaker 2 (12:12):
Off dark as fuck too. Oh yeah, if that's what
you're going to confirm by saying, Hey, can I talk
to Hulk? And oh no, sorry, he's dead. He can't
come to the phone right now. What a what a
way to start a doc. But you know, it's a
TMZ doc, so it's it's brought to you by this engine,
so he's got to promote it. You expected to be sleazed,
so but it just doesn't. I don't know, you know,
(12:34):
when you first even said because you're the I didn't
know this thing was even happening until you mentioned it
and I was like, wait, TMZ. I was like, that's okay.
So it's it's like it's it's it's going to be
bad and it's stupid. It's going to be it's going
to be like a revisitation of the headlines of his
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life and not an examination of the person. You know,
it's it's it's a resuscitation of like everything anything and
any alert you ever got on your phone about hul Cogan,
That's what this is going to be. It was such yeah,
I mean, and that's the thing, you know, it was right,
it was just headlines. It's all it was was headlines.
The whole fucking thing was headline after headline after headline
after headline. It was just lame.
Speaker 5 (13:23):
It was Yeah, it was done. It was a commercial thing.
It wasn't done like to be a multi part prestige
TV thing, which is fine, But I think it's it's
really I think it's really interesting that Hulk, to me
is such a piece of nostalgia around the tabloid era
in American life. Yes, oh yeah, and TMZ I honestly,
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I don't know. I'm their website still seems robust, they
still have the television show. They still seem to be
an impactful force in media. I get the sense they're
faded a little bit. But I think anybody who you
know how that business model is because looking at this,
I'm like, is this kind of like we lost a
guy that was tabloid fodder for forty years?
Speaker 2 (14:06):
Right? That's really what we're mourning in a right exatly
in a weird way. We're losing a meal ticket here,
all the way back to the steroid scandals and all
the craziness that this guy filled the pages of the
newspapers that you'd see in the line at the grocery store,
right right. Yeah, yeah, I mean that was that was it.
He was he he he he was just yeah, he was,
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he was, he was. He was a weird pop culture
phenomenon for tabloid media. Yeah, curiosity exactly a freak show.
You know, if you if you if you couldn't find
some guy, you know, having alien babies, you at least
had hul Kogan doing something.
Speaker 5 (14:47):
And uh and you do wonder if har e Levin
is kind of the back of his mind thinking like
I'm doing this because this, this this rocks me to
my core about what era may be passing that I've
been a key part of. Yeah, you know, and Vince
feels that way too. I Mean, part of the reason
I think it makes sense to do this is, Look,
we're going to acknowledge it right here. We're going to
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lose Vince McMahon during the course of the complete Hulk Hogan.
Speaker 2 (15:11):
Oh yes, yeah, yeah, I believe that.
Speaker 5 (15:16):
And we went into the journey eyes wide open for
that possibility, and he said, you know what, there is
no death that could supersed Hogan's because the only reason
we're fascinated by Vince McMahon is because he brought us
hul Cochin.
Speaker 2 (15:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (15:29):
Yes, and hul Cogan delivered like Hulk Hogan did. And
I do think this documentary does a pretty good job
of selecting footage. I think there was a wrestling fan
at the controls here in terms of what clips they
picked in matches and bringing out. You know that Hulk
actually did kind of destroy his body in that ring
for as limited it as this in ring move set
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may have been. My god, I mean, the size of this.
I mean he's always said too, He's always said, I've
heard a million times he wishes he did a different
move than the light drop because that really course, you know,
it's funny he didn't do he didn't just do the
axie boomba. Yeah, we got him over like mania in Japan,
you know, and he was doing it in the United
States and it was getting the pop.
Speaker 2 (16:08):
It's not like it's any bigger, you know, any different
of a move like you know, it's not any any
more impressive or any less impressive than a light drop.
Late drops one of the fucking lamest moves. But they
did get in there. Sergeant Slaughter Grula pressing him off
the top at WRESTLINGIA seven, which is one of those
remarkable bumps that you forget he took. Oh yeah, yeah,
because he went up top and they made a big
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deal out of that. He never goes to the top.
Oh my god.
Speaker 5 (16:34):
So we'll go through it, we'll get thoughts. Of course,
there's a lot of stuff about the sex tape and
the racist comments in here as well, with the in
addition of Vince McMahon, Bill Goldberg, Mark Henry was on
the show as a talking head. Jimmy Hart was on
as a talking head. Kind of a curious sexual selection
of people. Then they had this thing where apparently they
set up shop backstage at a busted open thing. It's
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probably over SummerSlam weekend. It's like just as like lit
me of like one off comments from these people that
appear to be like Natalia and stuff offering comments echo chamber.
It was so weird in a corner somewhere. But you
know one thing that really is I look at Vince's face.
That stood out to me is when they were talking
about the Netflix debut in La in January, where Hult
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came out and got roundly bowed. And that's the last
thing we want to see in terms of him being
live in a wrestling arena. Vince was Vince was saying,
all right, oh, this was we're going in, We're going
in with If I was there, it would have been
better if I was Paul, I would definitely squirm in
my chair.
Speaker 2 (17:38):
There's that. But what I think is fascinating is that
he's blaming booing or he's ignoring the actual booing, but
he seemed to be blaming the booing on the way
Hulk Cogan was introduced, right, It isn't that a glimpse
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and to his psyche where it's like there ain't nothing,
I can't manipulate circumstances to reverse the heat on, reverse
the psychology, and it's like, you know, it had nothing.
Vince had nothing to do with it. And also I
don't get it. It's no different than the way Hogan
came out of WrestleMania in New Jersey when you were
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in power, right, like you said, New Orleans and it was.
It was a big surprise out of nowhere, so what
the fuck?
Speaker 5 (18:26):
Yep, he did it in in Tampa too, that first
house COVID MENIU yep, and got booed at that thing
as well.
Speaker 2 (18:32):
Did he get put that one? I don't remember by.
Speaker 5 (18:34):
Bit, Yeah he did a bit. It wasn't it wasn't
so roundly la style packed arena of course, closed building.
But but yeah, I thought that was so interesting where
this is now going down this road of if I
was there, it wouldn't happen that way, you know. And
I was mad because I and when Harvey mentions to Vince,
you know, you watch this ten bell salute with a
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stage filled on SmackDown, doesn't it feel a little bit
weird that you're not there, without ever mentioning once why
Vince McMahon wouldn't be there, right, never telling the audience
why it is that Vince can't step foot int ww arena.
Speaker 2 (19:08):
That I'd rather not discuss the things that we have,
you know, that are happening, pending. You know, we have
pending issues, and I believe that you know, we can
hold on that at this time we have pending issues.
I agree, ohheartedly.
Speaker 5 (19:25):
Look, I don't expect them to ask Vince McMahon about it.
But I do expect if this is supposed to be
like an exercise and editorial judgment making here, like you
had to tell the audience that you don't have to
have Vince talk about You could just mention why it
is that Vince McMahon wouldn't be there for Hulkogin's send off.
I thought that was so weird. It smacked to me
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of like Vince wanted them to ask that question so
we could get that shot in of so we could
get not the shot, but he could plant that seed
of like, man, would it be great if it wasn't
a ww arena?
Speaker 2 (19:56):
Again? I know, I know exactly. I don't you think
that the the company would be flourishing more than it
is right now instead of running exactly these minor details
would mean less less of an obstacle. Do you think
details would even be missed? Do you think the grandeur
of design would be prevalent? Wow? Harvey it so it's Vince.
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So I don't know if you've heard, but we've lost
Terry and I would Harvey it's Vince of the w
w E. That's correct. I don't know if you heard,
but we lost Terry Bella.
Speaker 5 (20:37):
And before you rice to do something with that information,
I would suggest that you might want to set up
a little documentary in which I will offer to you
exclusively my first on the record comments.
Speaker 2 (20:50):
You know, in this now we as we all know,
you all know, we're all very very very sad. But
in this tribe you sold them five seconds ago now
were all in mourning, and I do believe that in
this time of morning that we can, you know, we
in an attempt to heal. I would like to offer
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you my first comments since pending things occurred.
Speaker 5 (21:19):
And I'd really like pow for you to get in
a couple of questions about how I was feeling sitting
at home watching things like the Netflix debut, things like
The ten Bell to the Halkstar.
Speaker 2 (21:32):
I do think it's important that you get because I
think I think people need to realize because there was
such a connection between between hult Cogan and myself. You know,
we were we were we were you know, conjoined twins
in many ways. And I believe that I believe that
it's a good opportunity for you to ask me to
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reflect on what it was like to observe the the
not only the the ten bells salute from my living room,
but also the you know, observing Hull Cogan in his
final appearance with my company, right, I think these are
just I think it will add some perspective, you know,
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and maybe, you know, add some clarity to people who
may have a sense of confusion as to the events
leading up to the death of Hull Cogan. Harvey.
Speaker 5 (22:29):
Before you offer your response and rest assured, I await
it with baited breath, I do want to let you
know that if you pass on this opportunity to host
me for an interview about what Hulk meant, I'm fully
prepared to immediately offer myself for comment to competing news
outlets the second we hang up. So is the documentary
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in production or not?
Speaker 2 (22:51):
Pal, I think it's important that you know that this
is not a this is not an this is this
is not an offer, This is not a a question
that I'm asking. This is something that I like to do.
I've always liked to do, and I'm gonna tell you
right now this is a guarantee. Okay, you're doing this well.
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I'm gonna be honest with you.
Speaker 5 (23:17):
It sounds to me like you're trying to use us
to say and help to death to sanitize your image.
Speaker 2 (23:21):
That's what it sounds like. You can do yourself a
favor right now and shut up. I've already taken the
liberty of sending some of your employees down to talk
to certain of my entertainers McK foley, Mark Henry, myself
and a number of under the individuals. So you just
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sit tight, Okay, We're going to do this old school style.
Just be Edward R. Murrow, and you just ask the
questions when I tell you to ask them.
Speaker 5 (23:52):
We got this bell and before I hear a second
pushback from you, Pale, I want to remind you who
the Secretary of Education is. I will remind you who
the leading face of the Presidential Fitness Challenge is. And
I will remind you who headlined WrestleMania against the President
of the United States.
Speaker 2 (24:11):
I want to remind you that the McMahons are in
the White House, Pal we owne yes, and UFC is
in bed with Paramount Pal. And I don't mind telling
you this that currently, as we're speaking, I have sent
an individual by the name of Bye Well you know what,
I'm going to keep his name at this point, he's
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with Fairfax. Mart Let me tell you right now that
if you look down at your chest, you'll see a
little red dot, not unlike the red dot on my tie,
not here, and that dot will not move until this
thing airs.
Speaker 5 (24:49):
No wonder he was so still on the chair, Harvey,
that was the chair he took the phone call, and
he didn't move from it for seventy two hours while
they just beamed interview subjects onto the televis in front
of him. Oh god, Well, that's enough about Vince. Although
it is certainly newsworthy and noteworthy that we hear from
Vince for the first time in this documentary.
Speaker 2 (25:10):
How do you feel like they handled the elephant in
the room, the racism and the sex tape. Yeah, it's
not really an elephant, but you know it's it's I mean,
the whole, not at all. I mean, it's I don't know,
I thought it was. I mean, I'll say, I guess.
The Mark Henry perspective was interesting. I mean, that was
also a weird get to have of all the people
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to get, you know, like Mark Henry, really that's the guy.
I mean, has there ever been an interaction between the
two of them that they didn't even seem to be friends.
He just talked about him as a fan really for
the most part.
Speaker 5 (25:43):
Right, Well, he did say that, you know, he suggested
to Hult going on the tour. Yes, yes, of a
historically block. There is that record that there is that interaction,
which and Hogan responding essentially, you know, I've been advised
not to talk about it anymore, being kind of you know,
more than anything. That's why he's still pilloried about it.
It's because he wasn't open minded to people who came
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forward and said, well, if you actually care about what
the people who are upset by this and consider a remedy, this.
Speaker 2 (26:12):
Is what I mean. You know, it's one of those
things where it's like you you really don't get to
make that choice. Actually, you don't get to not talk
about it until the people who are bothered by it
are done to wanting to talk about it. And he
said that advice you're getting Hume, h you're getting bad.
(26:34):
I agree. I think that would have been incredible advice,
and that would have an incredible thing for him to do,
to go around there. I mean that that would have
shown like true accountability for it, which you know he didn't,
And that's I've always said that. I Mean, I know
there are weird circumstances with things, but I think I
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think taking accountability for yourself and your actions is goes
a lot longer, because a lot further than I think
people people want to admit. Yeah, you know, like I
think I think issues would I think issues would die
a lot quicker if people took more accountability with action.
(27:16):
When when when when shit like that comes out?
Speaker 5 (27:19):
You know, And it wasn't what he said in public,
which you know, they replayed the stuff he said in
the view, And I mean, who's saying all the right
things on top?
Speaker 2 (27:26):
But it's not It doesn't matter. I mean, did you notice.
I mean, like all those people were, like I mean,
for the most part, were white people's saying.
Speaker 5 (27:35):
And even if they weren't, it would still be a
TV appearance as opposed to something you say with the
cameras around. But I think this is this is kind
of a point I want to make about Hulk, and
this kind of helped me crystallize it. There is no
Hulk Cogan if the camera isn't on him.
Speaker 2 (27:47):
Yeah, that's the truth.
Speaker 5 (27:48):
Doesn't he doesn't, he doesn't exist in a world where
you have a private audience with anybody to express contrition
or to express regret, or to express anything, to express excitement.
It doesn't exist for Hulk unless the camera's on, and
you can ask his family about that. It doesn't exist
(28:09):
unless the camera's on. So to set this expectation that
he was going to go before the locker room and
the black wrestlers and say something that was kind of
heart to heart, that they could look into his eyes
and come away feeling like, o Hey, this guy didn't
We didn't see a glimpse of who this guy really is.
We saw a guy at a moment of weakness, or
we saw a guy who wasn't thinking through what he
was saying. And now he's willing to face us and
(28:31):
be contrite about it. But it's like, guys, he's not
talking to you, right, he's talking past you, right, and
he's talking to whoever is going to come out of
that meeting and talk to the media about what he said.
Speaker 2 (28:42):
He's no dummy. He thought he was not on camera,
and he was.
Speaker 5 (28:46):
That's the whole thing. That's what he rot one time,
directly carry himself like he was being recorded. It completely
upended his entire life and legacy. So from that point on,
I don't care what anybody says. I don't care what
is wives would even say, or his current with the wife.
Speaker 2 (29:02):
He's he's on.
Speaker 5 (29:04):
Everything he uttered to anybody was run through the filter
of this is going to get out. He's performing for you.
You think you're close to Hulk, Yes you're not. Nope, never,
you're just the nearest camera lens. Even if the audience
is as small as the network of people, you're going
to repeat what he said to And that's because and
I think the supreme irony is to expect of a
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pro wrestler to behave in any other way is so foolish.
And to turn to a pro wrestler to be the
voice of criticism of Hulk Hogan is pretty hilarious as well,
because they would prevaricate just the same if they were
called out about anything. I mean, not racism, But you
get my point. Rick Flair well put it to you
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this way. Were Ric Flair Vince walks back into an arena,
you think they're gonna cheer him or are.
Speaker 2 (29:54):
They going to boo him? They're gonna boom, They're gonna boom. Okay,
that's a bold call, I would say, would cheer h.
Speaker 1 (30:02):
Hes Fan Wrestling Podcast with Jack and Jp Soro's Fan
Wrestling Podcast.
Speaker 2 (30:19):
Well, listen, I think it'll be the exact same thing
that that happened to Hogan. I'm shocked. I was, because
I think it's the opposite. I think I think they'll
cheer them. I think they'll I think they will cheer
at the pop that the idea that hoh ship, and
then they'll realize who he is. That's no, bros. Brock's
(30:39):
a little different though, Brock. I mean, well, yeah, you know,
I don't know. I think. Look, look, i'll tell you what.
Bro's a heel. You know, Brock's gonna be a heel.
And I and I think that it's gonna make a difference.
I think, you know, they they did that, they brought
him back. I mean, yes, there were people who cheered
and went crazy. Those are the rapists who are at SummerSlam.
And but yeah, I'll say it, Okay, I mean he
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didn't rape anybody, But I get your point. No, but
those listen, that's that's the way it is. Okay, he's
an alleged well he's an alleged trafficker, right, how what
was he No, he was a well he was a
recipient of of potential alleged recipient of trafficking pleasures, an
alleged recipient of trafficked pleasures. Right, it never consummated, right,
(31:25):
I mean, well we don't know. Well, if it happened,
Janelle Grett would put that in her, that's gon take
that to the point to the bank. That's a good point.
So yeah, so but but right, but that's that's kind
of it. Like, right, if he didn't do anything, he's
a little bit less guilty.
Speaker 5 (31:43):
Yeah, you know, That's why I asked because I wondered
if that makes a qualitative difference when it comes to
the reactions, because to me, this is going to be
the ultimate test case of my thesis where Vince gets
a huge pop when he comes back and doesn't get booed,
Hulk gets rejected roundly and booted out of the arena
almost when he comes back. Wrestling fans think racism is
worse than sexual but.
Speaker 2 (32:04):
Again, but you know, but no, but it's not the
racism though, see everyone does the racism. It's the Trump shit.
That's the way. I love that you made that point,
and I love that they had that in the dog, yes,
because that was the best thing they did. Honestly, that
was the one thing that they did in there. And
I was like, oh, that's good. I'm glad they fucking
because honestly, two thirds of maybe even three quarters of
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this fucking thing was this recap of his wrestling career,
Like anyone needs to see that fucking again, Like Jesus Christ,
I don't. I don't need to see every fucking moment,
Like I get you have to talk about is like
I don't. I don't think this should have been a
hit piece by any means. You know, you you you
need to do the good and the bad, but there's
no need to go every fucking minute. Like the fact
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that the majority of that thing was about his career,
like in stuff that everybody knows, you know, even fucking
children know that shit. I don't know that. That just
kind of rubbed me the wrong way. It was just
like this just I was like, oh, God, here we go,
this is fucking interesting, same old thing here, just like
talk about the same fucking like, don't even tell a
new story, Like, maybe tell a new story if you're
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going to go through his career, like say something. I'm
sure if someone gave them a new story to tell,
they would tell it. I mean, I guess, but I
feel like they. I feel like they just they I
don't think they even wanted to look into that. I
think they just wanted to re read because what everybody's
done that. You know, you can look at the e
true Hollywood story from fucking nineteen ninety seven or whatever,
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you can look at anything. Everyone knows that story. It's
it's been rehashed so many fucking times. Find something different,
or find a smaller moment to celebrate in there, like say, yes,
everyone knows these classic moments, but there was also this
little thing in here and there. I don't know, I
feel like with a guy who's had such a storied career,
you know, also talking about his fucking Hollywood career, like
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he fucking did anything, Like like he was the first one,
I'm like he was chasing Jesse and Roddy have the time. Oh,
he was chasing everybody.
Speaker 5 (34:01):
I mean, if you want to say that Rocky three
was his breakout movie role, I guess, but he wasn't.
Speaker 1 (34:07):
He was.
Speaker 5 (34:08):
He was as much cast in that movie as any
select any you know, as much as Reggie Jackson was
a naked gun.
Speaker 2 (34:14):
Well, yeah, I mean it was a breakout in the
fact that it got him national attention. I wouldn't say
it was like a like That's all I would say
is that it put eyes on him on a level
that was much bigger than people watching Minnesota wrestling at
the time. Absolutely, That's what the difference was is that.
And so I can consider it to be a breakout,
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not in terms of a Hollywood career or even a
wrestling career, but a breakout in terms of national exposure.
And he was the inverse of scene in Rock if
I can just interrupted quickly. Yeah, and Batista he was
the inverse where it was the fact that it was
in a movie that made him a superstar and pro
wrestling exactly. It wasn't because he was a superstar in
pro wrestling that he was in the movie. He was
a star.
Speaker 5 (34:55):
I mean, he was working all over New York the
territory with Andre and eight and stuff that those were
huge matches. But come on now, but he wasn't. He
wasn't like, yeah, there's a there's a night and day
moment there when he came back in Minneapolis and I
the Tiger and ship it was like, there was no
choice but to make him the top guy in the
company because of the power of that movie.
Speaker 2 (35:15):
I don't know about that. I don't know. I missed
the voice, you know, but you know, I appreciated we
can into that exposure. But you know, I don't know
if we're gonna make him top guy. You know, I
don't think he's at that lovely yet or ever the
matter second from the tap second, Hey, you know, we'll
do a couple of screw job finishes and see how
that goes, and we want from there.
Speaker 5 (35:34):
Didn't this idea that like Sena couldn't have become a
movie star or Rock couldn't have become a movie star
if Hulk Cogan didn't do Suburban Commando. I was like, guys,
are you for real? Like they're they're missing, they're missing
what actually happened. It's it's these details that I think
are the most important to add the clarity to people
who don't care about wrestling, because it's not the movies
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that did it. It was his ex It was his
national exposure as a wrestler that put him in the
mainstream spotlight. That that is what allowed John Cena and
The Rock to transition. It wasn't the fact that he
made movies. No, but he fucking saw them. Nobody fucking
(36:19):
went to them. Nobody liked him. They were stupid.
Speaker 2 (36:21):
It was the fact that he brought from nineteen eighty
five until I'll say nineteen ninety one, I'll go ninety two,
nineteen ninety, let's just say nineteen ninety. Between eighty four
and nineteen ninety, he brought pro wrestling into such a mainstream,
you know, into the zeitgeist. Yes, that that is what
(36:46):
allowed John Cena, Batista and the Rock to have movie careers.
It had nothing to do with his Hollywood career.
Speaker 5 (36:53):
In fact, his Hollywood career flopped so much that one
would think that would damn the chances of the John Xactley,
Dwayne Johnson's never getting roles or Patisto, wherever the case
may be. I love how they show Goldberg on one
red carpet too, to pretend he got like a film Santisley,
Jesus Christ, Goldberg and Harvey apparently get along. I guess
(37:14):
so in his his permanent studio with his classic cars
in the background, like, can.
Speaker 2 (37:19):
We please just knock that off? Nobody gives a shit
about your fucking vehicles all right, man, I thought it
was kind of like I'm thinking back, I'm like, why
is Goldberg have such a soft spot for Hulk? Like
I understand he put them over in the Georgia Dome
and that was great, but it kinda he kind of
never did business with you again, like right, never, right,
(37:40):
he never helped you ever again. To me, that was
a I mean, I I would imagine that that might
have been a just how Steve Austin became friendly with
Hulkogan later on, you know, like I would say that
probably happened after they went their threats to a j
OI well after ww was was, yeah, was gone where
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they kind of became friendly.
Speaker 6 (38:02):
You know.
Speaker 5 (38:03):
It's it's not unlike mc foley. You know, they made
hay out of that remark Hulk made and off the
record years ago about how mix sits in the hotel
and eats cheeseburgers and M and M's. Well, Hogan is.
We used to always talk about how he just wolfed
down candy and all the time he had a sweet tooth.
He was a fat kid.
Speaker 2 (38:24):
He used to eat baby roots, baby Ruth's by the dozen,
and brother, I want to eat my mom brother baby Ruth, blea,
Babe Ruth. Little League baseball is all there and wolf
and down the famous amos. You know, you would always
talk about how he's stuff in his face? What brother on, dude, Foley,
(38:48):
I mean anything with this guy?
Speaker 6 (38:51):
I know.
Speaker 2 (38:52):
Also, I mean, come on, Mick, Mick would be nice
to him. I love Mick. I think he's great. I
think he's wonderful. I just can't with that hair, Yeah,
I just can't. Like it's like he got it permed.
It's not the wavy curly that he usually has it.
When was the hair dialed in for Mick? Do you,
at this age dialed in shaved head when he has
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it really that short, especially with the law, you know,
like you just gotta he's just got to keep it short.
Like that's even if the shaved head shows off the
deformed year, I don't care. That's that's just that's just
it's way better. It's way better when he has When
he has too much hair, he just looks he looks
just not sanitary.
Speaker 5 (39:36):
So if nothing else, you can count on your co
chairman when they do something like this to give you
the the latest rundown on how the legends of the past.
Speaker 2 (39:43):
Look, I mean it just was bad. Honestly, it's bad.
Speaker 5 (39:47):
And speaking of those litany of legends, when they did
that whole hackneyed and tired Ai Hogan meets Roddy Piper
and Ultimate Warrior and Kamala and Heaven thing, remember when
they did that, Jimmy Hart was.
Speaker 2 (39:58):
The Also, when did Jimmy Hart get the snaggled teeth? Well,
that's that's a good that's a good kick. Oh my gosh.
Like his his lower like I don't remember that ever
being a thing. I don't know. Maybe his lip just
got so thin as he's gotten older, I don't know.
But but he's got these like these, these the lower
teeth that just are are very prominent and they're very scary.
(40:18):
Thank God for video, huh. I know, so he's out there.
I didn't realize this, but on the Netflix debut, like
he's got to wave the flag for Hulk because Hulk
can't wave it himself. I know, you know, as the
thing too, you know, I I you don't. He didn't
even realize how big watching it again because the first
time I've seen it since we saw it, the way
he could barely walk, he could barely fucking walk out there. Yeah,
(40:41):
without a cane obviously, and it was just so sad,
so sad to see him struggle like that. Yeah, the
way he skulks to the back, that that that Yeah,
like that he not only really what's said? Is that
again there? I mean, I know he's pushing and he
was pushing his his his beer, but man, I don't know.
(41:03):
That was just it just it was. It was much
worse than I remembered, much worse.
Speaker 5 (41:11):
And so get Jimmy tells the story of you know,
let's think of a black wrestler that Hulk helped one time.
Let's oh, Kamala, my god, one time Kamala got stiffed
on a payday and the Hulk shouted a vince about it.
Speaker 2 (41:24):
I mean, I like how that means he's not going
to say racist. If he was racist, he wouldn't do that. Sure.
Speaker 5 (41:32):
I mean, listen, you know I love the TikTok people.
They show like you better be celebrating his death. This
is the problem, folks. Okay, if you want to stop
people from dividing for engagement, you don't put them in
the fucking TMZ doc. You don't put the reaction videos
on national television you don't rebroadcast. You don't give people
(41:53):
the impression that if they just crystallize this thing that
you want to be true. You know that the the
editorial judgment maker wants to be true, they can go
onto social media and find proof that these people exist
and present three people as representative of four million if
they want to. I also don't like people get like
(42:14):
basically telling me how I'm supposed to respond. Well, that's
that's that's a that's the moment we're in. I know,
that's that is the moment we're in.
Speaker 2 (42:22):
Don't tell me how to respond now. As I've said,
I mean, listen, I it took me a long time
to come to terms with with being disgusted by his,
by his later life, but also to have to appreciate
the fact that his you know, his his fictional life
(42:45):
was an important part of my childhood. Like I can't
take that, Oh I can't. That's not that you know,
of course not it can so and be so asinine
that that has anything to do with it. And and yeah,
like I'm and I'll say it's probably there's probably an
element of that for me, not ever having been on
(43:05):
the receiving end of of his you know, of his
racism and his the words and all that shit. I mean, listen,
I'll tell you, I'll say this.
Speaker 6 (43:14):
I was. I was.
Speaker 2 (43:15):
I was, you know, I'm the end of his fucking
trump ship. And I've never seen that before. I'd actually
never watched it. I was actually so disgusted by it
that I never watched it. I never watched his Trump
thing because it just mortified the Republican National Convention appearances. Yep.
I remember people were tweeting about it and they were
(43:37):
I got texts about it. I got so much stuff,
and I never watched it because I was just like,
this is just it's just disgusting to me. Leave the
memories alone. Yeah, right right, not even that, not even that.
It wasn't leave the memories alone. It was it was
I don't want to like, I don't to me, this
is gonna be this is gonna make me angry. It doesn't.
(43:58):
And it makes me angry the idea that he even
went there and that and that he put himself, you know,
like the fact that it all happened the way that
it did. It just it made me angry when it happened,
and it made it made me think less of him,
And I'm like, I don't need to watch it to
think any more less of him. I already think less
of him, Like he's already ruined.
Speaker 5 (44:16):
The latest just the latest camera, Yeah, the latest camera
that was interested in training itself on him, which is
so much of that, you know, the move the movement
that he appeared before at that thing. It's people that
fellow on the way, you know, not not entirely, not
of course, not entirely, but it's the place to go
if you're a pariah. Yep, that corner of things. And
(44:38):
I think Mark Henry put it was when I see that,
I see I think the way he put it was,
I just see a guy who's happy that there are
people who are happy to see him again, no matter
what their motivation might be for cheering him on, no
matter what kind of animis might be behind that raw
rah uh. You know, as far as like a worldview
or anti cancel culture whatever whatever that you know, animis
(45:02):
is for hope. It's just as I always thought of it.
It's just as simple as all right, this is this
is the this is the crowd I appeal to. Now,
so let's let's get this run that that that I can,
I can, I can understand, but you know, when it
comes to the fact that I'm you know, you know,
(45:23):
for me personally, it's him, his his ship is just like,
you know, to go there and to not only show
support for Trump but also too like to to to
almost make light of it and to go that far
(45:45):
with it. It just it really it was like the
mascot outside the exactly. It was just awful. Well, here
here's a guy who you know, sold kids vitamins and
you know, live lived on complete artifice in terms of
what caused him to have He was a huge guy
in the He was a huge human being his whole life.
(46:05):
We'll only take that away from Him'm not saying he wasn't,
but that's why he was so massive, because he was big,
and he took steroids like a motherfucker, right, and he
ejected every day and barely even cycled, by his own admission.
You know, that's that's all artifice, right, you know, So
why should we be surprised when he just jumps from
artifice to artifice?
Speaker 2 (46:24):
Of course, I don't. I don't know.
Speaker 5 (46:27):
Maybe I just don't want to feel negatively about it
because he's hulled covid, you know, but I I just
see it as him just work in another crowd, you know.
Speaker 2 (46:36):
And listen, there's a part of a part of it
is that, A part of it is that. But I
mean he also, you know, honestly and in he kind
of made his bed with all the racism stuff and
the sex tape.
Speaker 5 (46:50):
Like you know, well, when you make people unforgivable, that's
what happens. That's where that that's the retreat.
Speaker 2 (46:57):
And you know what, I don't. I don't necessarily forget
him because I don't think he actually took accountability for
his actions. I don't forgive him for those actions. But
I will, but that's Terry Bleya. I'm not forgiving Terry Beleya.
But I'll I will allow myself to to mourn the
loss of my wrestling hero. That's what I can do.
(47:18):
I've always been saying, we can't. We are wrestling fans.
We don't get to just to celebrate. It's very hard,
the loss of the icon, right, It's very hard because
the fact that they were total fucking scumbag sociopaths or
my personal dealing, because it's not just you know, because again,
it's not just the character like you know, it's it's
(47:39):
a weird thing. It's a very very weird thing. As
we've said a thousand times a million times with wrestling
fans that you know, we.
Speaker 7 (47:52):
The the.
Speaker 2 (47:54):
The people. There's such a blurred line between the people
and the character. It's it's it's awful how blurred it is.
It's awful because because you can't succeed if you have
too much of a difference between the two. You really
can't write. Because you can, you can, you can again,
you can watch movies with actors who you are appalled by,
(48:18):
you know, I mean you can not saying that you
you do, but you know there are people who can
still watch Kevin Spacey movies and be okay with it. Well,
the key, I think the key is Kevin Spacey doesn't
have to appear before a live crowd. That's that's what
I'm well know, really, what it is is that Kevin
Spacey doesn't isn't the character yeh, That's what it comes
(48:39):
down to. Kevin Spacey is Kevin Spacey, and Kevin Spacey
the man is somewhat despicable. But his movies prior to that,
there are some that I enjoy and then I will
watch over and over again because I enjoy those movies
and I can I can forget about Kevin Spacey the person.
I can watch the character that he's playing on the
(49:01):
on the on the screen, and.
Speaker 5 (49:02):
I think, correct, I think of Kevin Spacey after the
whole allegations came out, had to do a movie in
front of a live studio audience, he would have been booed.
Speaker 2 (49:14):
Just of course. Oh I mean listen, he wouldn't been
able to fucking he wouldn't have been able to get
in the get on fucking set to begin with.
Speaker 5 (49:21):
So it's that referendum, that live referendum that pro wrestling
uniquely gives us. You know, Spider Man doesn't appear before
a live crowd, so we can get a taste of
what people feel like his politics are in this moment exactly. Wrestlers,
they don't. Wrestlers have that immediate feedback loop where if
they're going to make their bones, they got to subject
themselves to the vicissitudes of the audience. And more than anything,
(49:42):
that's what Vince McMahon mastered is understanding why people are
going to boo and cheer and short circuiting that if
that served his purpose or accentuating that if it served
its purpose to hear Vin's on this documentary talk about
the magic of the Rock Hulk Match Wrestling eighteen. I
thought it was pretty cool because he was describing of
all the things he's and no one's seen more than
Vince in the business and studied it in terms of
(50:03):
understanding why it works and stuff. I'm not saying he's
you know, perfect at that, but he's right. It was
unique what was happening there, Like, you're only going to
have that moment if you have the whole history and
legacy of what hul Covin had meant to the WWF audience.
Of course, of course you're not going to be able
to have anyone mean that much in that position. Again,
look no further than John Cena, who has struggled to
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mean anywhere near as much as Hult did when he
came back in two thousand and two for something that
wasn't even conceived of as a farewell tour. It certainly
wasn't presented to the audience his Hulk's back for no.
He came in rip Burn as a heel, nothing like
the old Hulk.
Speaker 2 (50:38):
We remember.
Speaker 5 (50:38):
The fan said, no, no, sir, this guy meant too much.
This is going to be a farewell tour. And within
two months he was back in the Red and Yellow
and he had the world title, right, And that's that's
the fucking truth right there, exactly. But I was sent
tiking about Jimmy Hertt, was running through the litany of
legends there at the end, we'll hit you with it here.
Speaker 8 (51:07):
I'll always love him, I'll never forget him, and I
know he's gonna save me a little spot up in
heaven up there, and you know what, to Harvey, I
think he's happy now, no more suffering, no more pain.
Speaker 2 (51:18):
He don't have to walk on the cane anymore.
Speaker 8 (51:20):
And then when he gets up there in heaven, he's
gonna have his mother and Daddy, Pete and Rufe sitting
on that front row. You're gonna have Rowdy Roddy Piper there.
You're gonna have Howard Finkel's going to be doing the announcement.
You've got Randy Savage, and you've got Andre the Johant,
You've got Rocky Johnson being there and.
Speaker 2 (51:37):
Just Dusty Rose.
Speaker 8 (51:39):
All the people that he loved, you know, are going
to be there for him.
Speaker 2 (51:42):
And when he goes to the ring.
Speaker 8 (51:43):
I'm sure he's going to have an interview with me,
and Jeane's saying, you don't mean, Jean, what are you
gonna do when Hawk Hogan and all the little hulk
of maniacs run wild on you?
Speaker 2 (51:53):
Of course that's cheesy as fuck.
Speaker 7 (51:55):
You know what?
Speaker 2 (51:56):
What about what about the fan that they used of
all the fucking home I know, I know you're gonna
call that out. They used a ninety five Nitro Hogan
Nitro one where he's got no mustache and it's that
weird pre nw O Hogan black dark Side. Oh, like,
come on, what are you thinking? Choice? Maybe I take
that back about there being a wrestling fan of the
(52:17):
controls here, Yeah, that's the maybe maybe actually maybe there
is maybe there's like you know, that'd be really cool.
I you know, it'll be kind of a little a
little bit of a deep cut if we put that.
You know, it's just for fucking idiots like Lapsvan. Yeah,
well paid off, didn't it. And as corny as fuck
as that is, you know what I'm sitting there, you
know what hit me? I was like, wait a minute,
(52:38):
all those wrestlers he listed the fact that they're gone.
Speaker 1 (52:43):
M M.
Speaker 5 (52:44):
Those are all the cornerstones of what brought us to
the table. I say what you will about a corny
of a visual. That is the fact that all of
those people, giants that Hogan stood on the shoulders of
to have those landmark programs with the likes of Piper
Savage and Andre and Finkel is the announcer and Gene
holding the stick.
Speaker 2 (53:04):
That's all gone. Now those people are dead. You know what,
you know what I saw, you know what that when
you know what hit me when that happened.
Speaker 1 (53:13):
Is that.
Speaker 2 (53:16):
Jimmy Hart managed to squeeze in Rocky Johnson, the only
the only black wrestler in the whole fucking wrist of
them and rocks. You know, dads, I don't help his
points with the rock but I was just like, I
was like, it just seemed, you know, I was like, Okay,
I guess I mean, that's one of the ones I've
(53:37):
never heard of actually, the the the the classic Hull
Cogan Rocky Johnson program. Oh my god. You know, like
he listed to people that he had great programs with
and I'm just like, okay, there, you know, and then
there was like this just so it was a weird
it was a weird forced inclusion I think. I mean,
I don't know how close to Rocky Johnson and hul
(53:57):
Cogan were. Maybe they were close. Were they close for
all as No, not.
Speaker 5 (54:00):
Particularly on this right, So him and Tony Ellis worked
together in eighty two.
Speaker 2 (54:05):
To me, that is a that is uh, that's that's
to include. It's a number of things to include a
black wrestler. Also to include Dwayne to get Brannie point,
to get Bernie swore with Dwayne, and you know, maybe
keep me on my Legends contract for a little bit
longer please Interesting. Yeah, well, I mean, God bless Jimmy Hart.
Speaker 5 (54:24):
But I mean the amount of times that he has
tweeted for personal appearances email Jimmy Hart after Hulk died.
I'm just like, dude, this guy is in a fucking panic.
He doesn't know if he's ever going to get booked again.
If probably want with Hulk, he probably won't. I doesn't
know what the other side of his life looks like.
Speaker 2 (54:41):
No, he's no clue. No, And especially because apparently see
I don't know, how do you feel, by the way,
I don't know if we ever talked about this, what's
your what's your opinion on him and his like, you
know that tweet right before Hogan died, Oh, where he's
talking about the karaoke and how Hogan's in great shape.
Do you do you think that he was kay fabing
(55:02):
or do you think he actually wasn't in the know
as to how serious it was. I think he was
in the know, and I think he was kay fabe.
I think I think I don't think he's actually as big,
like he's in the inner circle as much as he
thought he was. That could be I'm winging about it.
I'm willing to no, not at all.
Speaker 5 (55:19):
I read the tweet as being very carefully phrased. Let
me pull it up because maybe I want to make
sure my memory isn't wrong about this.
Speaker 9 (55:27):
Uh.
Speaker 5 (55:28):
Jimmy Hart tweets that Hulk is fine. Everything's always fine
until it's not.
Speaker 2 (55:33):
That's right. That's the spotlight, baby, that is life in
the spotlight. Okay, let's see no, no, no, please just
show me the tweet. Fucking hell, fucking hell, Okay, shuts
down the rumors, okay, right, fucking pathetic. Oh yeah, this
(55:57):
is the tweet. Hulk is doing great, doing phenomen last
night at karaoke with Nick was absolutely fantastic baby. Now
that tweet is designed to make you think that Hulk
was at the karaoke and he was, Yeah, I guess
that's true. He's he's he's combining and he's doing this
to my way of thinking cynically, he's combining the two
knowing that most people are going to take the time
(56:18):
to actually find out and look into whether Hulk was
there or not. The amount of people that retweeted and
reposted the video of Hulk in the hospital back in
the TNA days before he was about to go in
for surgery, and he was on that he was in
his vine era where he was like, you know, putting
out like videos of his dog and putting out videos
(56:39):
of the poop and his but you know, he did
one on the toilet and talked about he was stinking
the place up. And he had a little period there
where he was sending out little fifteen second videos on
Twitter before like Instagram before TikTok, and one of those
was him and and Johnny on the on the gurney
waiting to go in for surgery and he's talking about
how you know, he's he's in rough shape and everything,
(57:01):
and people reposted that after he died, like that was
a video that he had made right before he passed
away and she passed. People are fucking idiots, I swear
to God.
Speaker 5 (57:10):
And it's knowing that people won't actually take the time
to tell the difference, that it's worth broadcasting misinformation like
that tweet, because it's like, if nothing else, the people
who don't care enough to actually try to figure out
that I was drawing that he was drawing a distinction
between Hulk, the update on Hulk's condition and Nick being
at karaoke. If that just creates for another week, the
(57:32):
false impression that Hulk's doing fine and keeps the barbarians
at the gate, as I'm sure his inner circle saw it,
then that's a win for the day. But of course
everyone was going to kate fabe until Hulk was in
the ground. Of course they were. Hulk Hogan's got to
kick out. I mean, you heard Vince say it. Vince
said the words he kicked out of several surgeries in
the past. Oh my god, as they show the back
(57:54):
and everything, didn't he didn't kick out, No, he absolutely
did not came out.
Speaker 2 (58:02):
He counted the lights for the final time, then said
it was a blow to his heart and they showed him.
What do you think? Did they show something own by
Julie Hard is what I meant to say. Yeah, did
they show something I've never seen before? Where on the
Rocky three set it's like backstage footage so to speak,
(58:24):
of him working out bombs.
Speaker 6 (58:25):
No, we we Uh.
Speaker 2 (58:28):
I don't know if it was at the time, I
don't think you know what. I think it was too
early in cinemat where so we didn't watch it, but
I played audio of it that I that was there.
I watched that whole thing when we did Rocky three,
so I don't I heard it but didn't seem right right. Yes,
I don't think we started doing the the video watching
(58:49):
yet at that point. I could be wrong. I could
be wrong. I don't know how. I don't know when
I started doing that, but that yeah, No, that that
was there. Yeah, it was a fascinating thing. They had
a whole behind the scenes thing about that. It's it's
it was wild. Yeah, I love that so wild, and
I was.
Speaker 1 (59:04):
I was.
Speaker 5 (59:05):
I was reluctantly going to give them credit for actually
digging up something unique. But no, that's been out there, No,
it's been out there. It's on YouTube.
Speaker 1 (59:13):
He's a lapsed fan wrestling podcast with Jack and Carno
and jpso.
Speaker 2 (59:26):
It's a lapsed fan wrestling podcast.
Speaker 5 (59:28):
It's another thing too, man, doing a documentary post YouTube.
I mean, you can do a whole documentary just off
what's on YouTube.
Speaker 2 (59:34):
Oh, very fair.
Speaker 5 (59:35):
Use they do it fun and it's like it's unbelievable
and it's like and I'm not saying that those don't
have merit, but man, you talk about taking the wind
out of the sales, about what used to make a
documentary electric? Yeah, is you would find the footage, right,
you would find the footage. You did the legwork to
find the footage. I mean it still is somewhat electric,
because there certainly is some some some stuff on YouTube
(59:58):
that is very very hidden. But it's also like, you know,
it's not as impressive until you find like, right, you know,
I'm so much more likely that you're getting shit.
Speaker 2 (01:00:11):
From the w E vault. That's when it's that's when
it's fucking electric. Nowadays it's still electric, Yeah, that's for sure.
They when they put up something that like is really
something they haven't touched, it's like, oh, oh okay, all right,
I like that.
Speaker 5 (01:00:24):
Oh, it just makes it so much more likely that
you've already seen something. They show it in adult Yeah,
and that to me is something that didn't used to
be such a given.
Speaker 2 (01:00:33):
Watch documents a lot of the time nowadays, I say, wow,
that's interesting, Like, oh, wait a minute, you know what.
It's on YouTube and I'll look it up. Yeah, there
it is. That's where they got it from. Yeah, yeah,
it's on YouTube. And everything's on YouTube. Thence, what did
you know about Hull?
Speaker 9 (01:00:47):
Big and muscular and charismatic, yet Hulk stood out above them?
Speaker 4 (01:00:54):
Why he's just one of a kind. I knew what
America wanted?
Speaker 2 (01:00:58):
Oh my god, Well, what's wrong with that? You know
what America? I don't know what America wants. America wants
to the sick man? Sure about that? Well, they just
don't know it yet, you know. That's that's the thing.
They they they think they think they know what they want.
(01:01:19):
I know what they want, I know what they deserve,
and I know what I'm going to give them. It's
always in that order, and I'm always right. M Maybe
they need a villain right now, Maybe they need maybe
they need somebody to be the scapegoat. Maybe they need
(01:01:43):
Vince McMahon to be that person, you know, I am.
I am what America needs me to be. Oh my god,
you just electrified me. You just electrified me. And I
did not expect that to happen on our review of
the whole documentary. And I think, you know, in a
(01:02:04):
lot of ways, Hulkogan was what America needed him to
be from from beginning to end. You know, when they
needed someone to point at to say that's the bad guy,
he was able to do that as well. Yeah, and
you know he failed. He always feeled the need that
the culture had at the moment, be it for a
you know, a Cold War winning superhero, fucking Reagan blasting
(01:02:25):
out our enemies to sure, you know, the the deeply flawed,
inherently racially questionable. Uh, you know, Lightning, Rod Boomer. It's
it's it's really, it's really a trip. It really is
a trip. And when you see Stallone, oh what's wrong?
(01:02:49):
He looks great? What's wrong? I didn't realize. I didn't
realize he aged like that much.
Speaker 5 (01:02:54):
Since I don't want the last time ione I'm watching
this thing, I'm like, I don't even care what they're saying,
the fact that they're like hitting me with Vince looking
like this, fully looking like this, stallone looking like this.
It's like this is this is bad man, there's any mean,
no one left in like two years. No, it's all
because listen, it's it's gonna be listen. Our our time
is done. Our time is done. Okay, listen, we are
(01:03:19):
we are. Look, we're we're becoming the Jimmy Stewart's when
we were kids. You know, you remember watching Jimmy Stewart
and he you know, you see old man Jimmy Stewart
and like a on a stupid you know, special and
you know it's like, wow, you know, whatever happened to
Jimmy Stewart? Well, no, we're getting there. It's ours now,
(01:03:42):
all right, It's ours. It's our turn.
Speaker 2 (01:03:46):
And uh you know, I mean the you know because
again I I I it's this is what what makes
it so unique. Okay, this is what I think makes
it so unique for our generation. Bear with me. I'm
(01:04:06):
I'm I'm please making this up as I go along
here with this one. But we've talked about I've talked
about on cinemat and we've talked about it before the
idea that we're still in the infancy of screen and
filmed entertainment. What I mean, it's still living for new,
it's still brand new, you know, because there's going to
(01:04:27):
come a time, presumably unless we destroy the world, that
there's going to be thousands of years of movies, thousands
of years of wrestling on television. We're we're at the
beginning of that. We're like, it's it's it's nothing still,
We're still but we understanding it. Like, but we came
(01:04:50):
in and but we grew up at a time in
the eighties and the nineties where there was like this
this cruise control of sorts.
Speaker 1 (01:04:59):
You know.
Speaker 2 (01:05:00):
Oh, because like okay, you know, we've got this thing
that's been going on for now for like, you know,
for the better part of this century of the twentieth century,
and it's like, you know, we we lived in that
moment and we've lived in especially especially because we grew
up with home video, especially because we did that because
the generation before us they didn't have that. But we
(01:05:23):
grew up with home video. So we are the first
generation to really isolate people and isolate our heroes and
isolate our favorite performers in any way to those periods
of time. Have we can isolate Hull COGD in nineteen
(01:05:46):
eighty five. We can do that, and it, in a
weird way kind of messes with us because because we've
lived so much on home video and being able to
relive past experiences and events and all that kind of stuff.
(01:06:08):
I think it has messed with our minds in the
idea that wait a minute, these people are gonna get
old and die. Yeah, they're gonna get old and die,
and it's gonna happen faster than we think, you know,
I mean, because because we just we've we've had way much,
(01:06:29):
We've had almost too much access to these people in
these particular frozen in time moments, because how many times
can we our generation we grew up with the Stallone movies,
we grew up with the Schwarzenegger movies, all these action
movies of the eighties and the nineties, and so we've
watched them over and over. I just watched Demolition Man,
(01:06:52):
like a couple of months ago, coming soon under the cinement,
you know, like, and it's like that's Stallone. I look
at Stallone, but Stallone's now this, he's this, and it
just it happened fast, It happened very It happened fast,
because I'm thinking about even more recent movies like the uh,
(01:07:14):
the the other the Expendables, you know, I mean those
are almost like twenty years old now too. That's insane.
That's completely you know, exactly the the you know, even
even the the whatever, the fucking Creed movies. You know,
(01:07:35):
it's like they're you know, they're they're now like ten
years old. Carl Culkin, Oh do I have to? And
we were frozen in time, but yeah, exactly, we'll watch
some but call it. Culkin will forever be nine years
old or eight years old, where the fuck he was?
And that's unique, yeah to what that's unique to our generation?
(01:07:55):
Yes it is.
Speaker 5 (01:07:56):
You're right to have grown up with that. And I
have that at your fingertips, not just the memory of
seeing the movie once or happening to see it if
it reairs on television, you know, just being able to
watch it a million times if you want.
Speaker 2 (01:08:11):
Yep. And how many times have I seen the Andre Slam? Exactly?
Speaker 5 (01:08:14):
I saw it again in this documentary. And then here's
what Vince said about it. Because I think it's just
a wonderful resurfacing of more Cogan bullshit.
Speaker 2 (01:08:32):
You don't believe it.
Speaker 4 (01:08:34):
We called Andre the Boss after the pen one two
three of Thanks Boss.
Speaker 2 (01:08:43):
It's forced himself to craft No, No, he're the boss. Okay,
when did that one come up? And heard that one before?
And then the fucking that show is now as like
almost forty years old. I've never fucking heard that one before.
I've heard all of them, you know, I thought I did.
(01:09:05):
The thing that's crazy about that story is Andre did
not say that no exactly, you know, No, No, you're
the boss.
Speaker 5 (01:09:15):
That's been one big like Vince Post I don't even
know what era to call it, you know, the era
where he started to resemble what he looks like now, Yeah,
like twenty fourteen, sixteen six.
Speaker 2 (01:09:28):
Yeah, that's been a.
Speaker 5 (01:09:29):
Big lynch pin is he's been showing up in these
dogs like the Andre one that Bill Simmons did, and
he's forcing himself to cry and all of that right, Right,
He's finding these pregnant moments to cry because he knows
that's what's expected of him.
Speaker 2 (01:09:39):
Well, I think also, I think he's he's realized that,
you know, I think it. I think it, Well, how
could this man possibly rape anybody?
Speaker 7 (01:09:48):
Ok?
Speaker 2 (01:09:48):
He's crying. He's a gentleman. Oh my god, that's been
that's been a thing I've noticed. I think I think
that's all from that. I think I think it. I
think it's I think in you know, the more that
we uncover what a what a despicable human being he is,
the more he's going to cry to try to balance
that out of Probably.
Speaker 5 (01:10:09):
Yeah, yeah, probably, you're probably right. One of the things
that Belcher said on his site, because he's interviewed here,
is that when they started going down the road and
interviewing him of you know, wrestling, no one gave a
shit about wrestling Untilhulkogan became champion. Yeah, and how they
didn't sell out arenas and packed buildings. He kind of
(01:10:31):
threw cold water on that. He felt like he didn't
really have a choice but to be like, nah, if
you really want to get into it, there, they're sold
out arenas in every decade that there's ever been pro
wrestling into equal measures Hulk and maybe not in as
many buildings over as much time. But it's it's just
not true. And he didn't think he was going to
make the documentary because he threw such cold water on
(01:10:53):
what seemed to be something they were driving so hard
at and watching the finished product.
Speaker 2 (01:10:56):
They did not really say that.
Speaker 5 (01:10:57):
They did not really try to claim that no one
cared about pro wrestling until Hulk Coogan did what he
did so right, Maybe they they rained, maybe Dave rained
that in a little bit so that they didn't even
in voiceovers hit that so hard.
Speaker 2 (01:11:09):
Also Dave, Dave too, he's one of them as well.
I know he's going, yeah, he's getting he just in years,
he is, he is, It's happening. It's happening. I know,
I know we're going to be the old men pretty soon. Yep,
I know, here's some trouble. Rock Cogan.
Speaker 4 (01:11:31):
Was like, wow, what is going to happen?
Speaker 7 (01:11:39):
And it was funny because going into the match, you know,
the Holksture wasn't quote what we call the heel and
the bad guy, and Rock was the baby face. And
the moment Terry walked down and got in the ring,
you could feel this feeling you haven't before.
Speaker 4 (01:11:53):
He was different.
Speaker 2 (01:11:57):
Dad like Hogan wasn't.
Speaker 7 (01:11:58):
He was near this wall they're really cheering for, but
in a way, and it was different. And when they
got in the ring, you know, and they said face
to face they both felt him.
Speaker 5 (01:12:11):
Are seventeen two.
Speaker 2 (01:12:12):
Thousand books to incidental looks to the other.
Speaker 6 (01:12:17):
Doing everything I could to be a bad guy the
building that night, everything I can to help him be
the greatest wrestler ever.
Speaker 4 (01:12:30):
Many of the crown saying the rock rightly, many of the.
Speaker 2 (01:12:34):
Arts and cons and told them there.
Speaker 4 (01:12:36):
It was like, wow, this is unbelievable and it's very different.
Speaker 2 (01:12:41):
What are we going to do?
Speaker 7 (01:12:47):
When you see something like that happening, it's.
Speaker 2 (01:12:55):
Like, wow, this is so unique. Jesus Chris, that's glaha,
Jesus fucking Price. I remember being on the door brow.
Speaker 7 (01:13:10):
It was a defining moment in both their careers. It
was something extraordinary to watch. You can't right under your seat.
Speaker 4 (01:13:25):
It was so much here. He was a pioneer and
there was no one like you.
Speaker 2 (01:13:32):
It was a pioneer and there was no one like him. Boss.
I mean you know there, there's there's some truth in that,
no question, there's doing everything I could to make him
this bunch of shit, What a bunch of horseshit. How
about you don't lock up and push off like it's
nineteen eighty five are how about you don't hulk up?
Speaker 5 (01:13:53):
I don't at least start flexing. Wait, look if you
leaned into that, because that's what the crowd wasn't on
that night, all the power to him. That's what we
say we want right is is wrestlers. Uh, you know,
leaning in and hul Coogan in a lot of ways
leaned in and uh, well it didn't always benefit him,
it didn't always benefit us, but it did enough that
(01:14:16):
this feels this feels appropriate what we're doing right now,
reflecting on reflections of the Holster and man Brooke Brooke,
you saw Brooks face. It's fine, God bless her. Get
fucking Charlotte Brooke. I mean everybody, I mean, I know,
(01:14:36):
I'm kind of disappointed they didn't show the the that
that that video that Linda posted where she a couple.
Speaker 2 (01:14:43):
Months ago, she looks like TM video of e in
my life. She looks like the the the old decrepit
woman from the Shining. Remember that you've seen the Shining, Yes,
you know, you know when when Jack Nicholson goes into
the into the the Haunted Room and there's that woman
in the uh she kind of walks and stands up naked,
(01:15:05):
and she's this model looking woman and then he goes
and makes out with her. And then he realizes that
it's this old woman instead. She looks just like that woman.
It's so sad in that video.
Speaker 5 (01:15:15):
In that video, this woman is just left. She must
be thinking right now, what the fuck was that all about?
Speaker 6 (01:15:21):
What was that?
Speaker 2 (01:15:22):
What was the point of all that? Yeah, you know,
I mean, I'm sure she loves her kids and she
seeing herself. What was the point of my whole life?
What was my life? What did I do?
Speaker 5 (01:15:33):
I designed this massive house with all this money, and
now it's sitting there, decrepit, abandoned.
Speaker 2 (01:15:39):
No one cares. Nobody cares, you know. I think of
her as you know, I think of of like Linda
reminds me of of Annette Benning in American Beauty at
the very end, you know, like when you know, everyone
(01:16:02):
everyone's gunning for Kevin Spacey at the end of the movie,
like everyone's got a reason to to kill him, right,
Sorry spoilers if you haven't. I mean, no, it's not really,
it's not really in the fucking people are like very
I know, like American Beauty is such a not a
movie anymore people, you know, But uh, like at the end,
(01:16:23):
everyone's kind of gunning for Kevin Spacey and it's like
then when he does get killed, everyone's like everyone's missing,
everyone's like like miserable, Like they all have that that
instant remorse. And I feel like I feel like Linda's
in that.
Speaker 5 (01:16:40):
I feel like we're kind of feeling a little bit
about it with Hulk. Yeah, sure got the guns and
arrows are pointed at him for so long, and now
it's like, wait a minute, like no one cares anymore
how we feel about Hulk's racism.
Speaker 2 (01:16:56):
Except for the fucking people on the internet. Well, I
think that there's like that last gasp, you know, it's
like this last run of Like Me. The thing is,
the thing is is that now it's becoming a situation
where there's nothing to talk about anymore. He's dead, he's gone.
Speaker 5 (01:17:09):
Yeah, he's honest, there's no so there's no new comment
he made at a political rally that can you know
what I mean, resurface it all. There is a culture
wars going, there's an end point. We now have a
legit end point. You won't have Hull Cogan to kick
around anymore. That's right, And I don't see what the
problem was. He didn't have a problem with Brooke dating
(01:17:31):
a black guy. As long as he was a foot
tall basketball player worth a hundred million dollars. It's not
like he was fine with that. Jeez, the guy at
a break. It's interesting because Vince made the call to
take him out of the Hall of Fame and everything
and went so hard, and you know, so it's like he's.
Speaker 2 (01:17:47):
Kind of with it. You gotta hear him out.
Speaker 7 (01:17:50):
He did.
Speaker 2 (01:17:50):
It's not like, no, he didn't. I don't think he did.
I think he was told to. I think Vince McMahon
was told they didn't have to, you know, they you know,
he he he was told to uh uh, to take
Hulhogan out and to fire him and do that. I
think he takes responsibility for it, but it was I don't.
(01:18:11):
I guarantee you that if it was, if it was
his decision, it wouldn't have happened. Interesting seeah, I mean
he says right here it was his decision. I'm sure. Listen,
I'm sure. I'm sure when it comes down to he
has to say that. I believe he has to say that.
I believe he has to say, you know, all right,
(01:18:32):
well it's my decision. I'm just all right, you're telling
me I can't do it. I can't. I have to
fire him. Fine, my decision. That's the way it's going
to be played out. It's okay. Vin sick Man is
never going to go out there and say, well, somebody
told me I had to fucking fire him, so I did.
That also makes him look bad. Yeah, but you can't
tell me. You cannot tell me that Vince McMahon was
(01:18:54):
the one who made that call, Like legit made that call.
He was told by somebody you gotta fucking you can
have him on. It's going to make us look bad. Yeah, well, yeah,
I don't doubt that's true. I cared. I don't think
he cared.
Speaker 5 (01:19:09):
Yeah, I don't see much of a difference if the
result is the same, you know, between well, because he
could have said no, he I'm going to keep him
in the whole thing, and he didn't do that.
Speaker 2 (01:19:18):
Yes, I I just to me, it's like, I do
think of it as if you're on your own terms,
would you make the same choice, And if the answer
is no, then it's actually not that much better. In
my opinion, I think a lot of it is like
because you're doing because he's only the reason he did
(01:19:38):
it was, not because he actually felt like, you know,
we get a he did it for his company. His
company people said, look, we can't be associated with this
guy right now. It's going to make us look bad
as opposed to like, you know what, Hulk, you fucked up.
I can't be a party anymore. That's not what happened.
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He was told we have to separate him because it's
best for a business. Yeah, that's probably true. That's probably true.
I think because he's sick. I mean, listen, if the
mind of Vince McMahon, he's not someone who who who
I don't think takes racism, that's seriously. Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 5 (01:20:19):
I've always had the opposite view of him in that,
you know, his Martin Luther King obsession and like his
whole like his his infatuation with like jive talking wrestlers
and stuff. I feel like he's a really typical jive
talking wrestlers though, very much, Yeah, very much. And I'm
not saying necessarily black wrestlers, even white wrestlers to jive talk.
But you know, I think, uh, I don't know. I
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think he does have a little bit more of a
civil rights streak about him than then certainly Paul does.
I think I think that's that's a that's a statement
I think I could make. I don't know, I don't know,
I know what you're saying. I don't doubt for a
second that the ultimate decide, the siding factor was that
it's just we can't have him associated anymore. But it's weird,
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like nobody would if he didn't take a wholk out
of the Hall of Fame. No one's going to complain.
That was like an extra step to me. I was like, Wow,
it's one thing, we just say we're not going to
use him anymore and he's not getting paid for a
Legends contract. But you got to also remember too, that
was at the very very beginning of the height of
counsel culture.
Speaker 2 (01:21:21):
That's what I'm saying. So it's right, you're right, just
point that out. That's like, you know, that's when it
was like you didn't even you didn't even think twice
about it. The moment you heard somebody do something that
was even remotely bad, they're gone, we got to be done, goodbye,
out of the picture.
Speaker 5 (01:21:38):
Especially for a company that had a lot of black wrestlers,
you know, who are very charitable. Sure, and that's got
to be considered too. A lot of it is like
it's not that the guy at the top cares or
doesn't care. It's just he's got to get results out
of his employees. And if he doesn't he or she
doesn't do something that's considered responsive to their concerns, it's
not going to get anything ont of those people's exactly,
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He's going to lose their allegiance. And you know, there's
no shortage of of African American wrestlers that would line
up right now to say bring Vince back, you know.
And here he is on the documentary talking about how
he handled all of it, because he hasn't really talked
about it. I don't think before Vince, you know, and
except like you know, blithe kind of press release statements.
Speaker 2 (01:22:20):
Yep, fine, a call to Nick and jail.
Speaker 6 (01:22:25):
You.
Speaker 5 (01:22:27):
I forgot about that one too. It wasn't just the
pillow talk with Heather Clem where he said the thing about,
you know, I'm racist to a point. It was also
when he was on the phone with Nick and he
was using these sort of these code words for black people.
I forget what it was, Yeah, like blazzac kind of
it wasn't exactly what he said, but it was kind
of like Connie talk for like, I know, I'm not
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supposed to talk this way about black people, but you
know what I'm trying to say, kind of thing, which
didn't help either.
Speaker 4 (01:22:56):
I think that he's that means my best private was unforgivable,
and I was like, gosh, what happened? And when those
things occurred, that's not like him. What in God's name is.
Speaker 2 (01:23:13):
Going on on the sex dape? He actually said he
was racist. He said in his words that he was
a racist.
Speaker 10 (01:23:20):
So why would I sit here and try to defend
somebody that tells you who they were?
Speaker 2 (01:23:27):
Mark is getting pissed their use him to create excuses
for yep. Personally, I mean, you knew it. Heard it hurt.
Speaker 1 (01:23:43):
Man.
Speaker 2 (01:23:44):
I just grew watching the dude.
Speaker 8 (01:23:45):
Man.
Speaker 2 (01:23:46):
I used to love that dude. I wanted to be
like him. It hurts.
Speaker 5 (01:23:52):
I think one of the things Vince said, uh in
Times Square when he took the stage Laps Fan Live
Laps Fans, was that you and I, Terry, We're not
going to be remembered for what we did. We're going
to be remembered for.
Speaker 2 (01:24:03):
What we lost.
Speaker 5 (01:24:04):
And what Hull Covid lost is the the unvarnished warmth
and nostalgia of Mark Henry Yes and people of his generation.
Speaker 8 (01:24:14):
Here's Vince devastated because, and I'll be honest with you,
the whole time we were together, he's never done racist
stuff whatsoever. So that was just kind of like wow.
And of course at that time, Hope was that a
not that there's an excuse for it. Hope was at
a very low part of his life. You know, Linda
was leaving him, he was getting divorced. He had been
drinking pretty heavily on that and sometimes when things happened
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when you're at the low point of your life, you
say stuff that you might not say anything else. And
let me tell you something too. This is why I
don't even really believe he said it until I heard it,
because I've never heard it before. Kamala was one of
our wrestlers back in the day. And Kamala one day
was sending the dresser room with us and he just
got his check sent to him on the road.
Speaker 2 (01:24:54):
You know what he made that Let me see that check.
It was up to me all the time. You got
to make the nation. He's working with me every night.
They sing out houses right away.
Speaker 8 (01:25:11):
The next week he got his check and he goes, who,
it's double to what it was, Thank you, hawkster. So
that's why it was such a shock to me, and
that's why I was devastated when.
Speaker 9 (01:25:18):
I heard so you cut ties with him. It is
over the racist comments, but ultimately brought him back.
Speaker 4 (01:25:27):
I knew he wasn't a gracious I've been with him
for so many years. He wasn't racist. He says some
racist things and he should pay for that, and he did.
Speaker 2 (01:25:36):
There it is he should pay for that, and he did.
He paid for it. It's a good performance by vincig Man.
But in the end I think that everyone saw the
real hul Coga and then they cut to him tearing
his shirt off and showing the Trump shirt. So there again,
I mean, these are l A, these are LA folks. Yeah,
they're going to get those shots better believe it. And
(01:25:57):
that that's such a big part of it too. Do
you think if they brought out Hulk and I don't know, Cheyenne, Wyoming,
you know that as opposed to La being the I
do flicks debut. I do think it would have made
a difference. I believe that I believe that that LA's
the worst place, exactly, a fucking litmus dust on lay.
It was. It was the dumbest fucking thing they could
have done, honestly, Like the fact that nobody even thought
(01:26:20):
that through. I mean, anybody, anybody who is anti Trump
who's a wrestling fan. That was a kick in the balls. Yeah,
that was a real kick in the balls because it's
like you you know, it wasn't like the rock coming
out at the which one was that? Who did he? Which?
Speaker 5 (01:26:42):
Which were probably gonna be one thousand and four, Right,
it's a different times two thousand. It's two thousand Bush
first score. Yeah, So, like and Obama was on WWTV
and I think they went to that to that convention too.
It wasn't like a big speech, but.
Speaker 2 (01:26:58):
Well they may member you did the whole thing during
the two thousand and eight campaign, they had all of
them on and they were all there were great sports.
I mean, it was a it was but but but
you know, as bad as as as as much as
you know, I disliked George W. Bush, this is a
(01:27:21):
whole different thing with Trump. And there's a there, there
really has been a divide between between people are like
you really can when you come out like that we're
in the shirt and everything, like you're really saying like
you have decided people are these people are my enemy?
Right that you're you're making that dice. That's a thing
like right now in this time. And I'm not saying
(01:27:43):
it's right or wrong. I actually I think it is
wrong that you know that that we have we have
divided ourselves. I do think it's wrong. But the thing
is that that but but it's it's just a fact
that if you go out there and you do something
that focused one side of this divide, right, you are
(01:28:05):
eliminating the other side of your audience. It's fascinating. And
live in La a huge chunk live in La. You're
you're they they they I mean in a weird way,
it almost makes you wonder if it was a planned thing.
Speaker 5 (01:28:25):
Well, that's kind of what I took to what Vince
was saying, was kind of like this thing of like
you couldn't have been that stupid, like you set Terry
up like that was the thing.
Speaker 2 (01:28:35):
It wasn't.
Speaker 5 (01:28:36):
It wasn't just incompetence as far as like knowing and
being able to read how the audience was going to
react and making adjustments that would make them see him
in a different lie. He couldn't do anything nothing. It's
not like he'd come out and save somebody and throw
right hands. I can even walk right. So I hope
that's not what Vince was contemplating in that context. But yeah,
I mean we all say we want politics out of
our this and that, right, want politics out of our
(01:28:57):
sports and out entertainment. Halk decided, Nope, you don't get
to do that, not with me. And he's supposed to
be the escape. Rerestling supposed to be the escape blah
blah blah blah blah, and he trampled all over like.
Speaker 2 (01:29:07):
In a weird way.
Speaker 1 (01:29:08):
You know.
Speaker 2 (01:29:10):
The the image of Hulk Hogan is is not meant
to take aside politically, No, it's just sort.
Speaker 5 (01:29:16):
Of pressing post him. Is that that kind of banal
and prosaic and just part of the He's just he's
he's not above the noise. You know, when you see that,
it's like, oh, fuck, like this he's who you thought
he was in your in your biggest moments of doubt.
Speaker 7 (01:29:34):
Oh. His legacy is simple. Really, there's everyone, any entertainer,
anyone in a sports world. They're transcended on a global basics.
You're understanding that character, what that character did for them
generation after generation, how you felt about him.
Speaker 4 (01:29:53):
No one has ever been able to do that.
Speaker 2 (01:29:56):
He is wrestling. He took it to a whole other level.
Speaker 4 (01:30:02):
His legacy talk is the father figure of wrestling.
Speaker 5 (01:30:07):
Still the fun I mean, I didn't care about wrestling
until Terry Terry Funk as much to Terry Funk as your.
Speaker 2 (01:30:15):
More actually, because Terry Funk had a much bigger fucking
part in the movie. And you know it was the protagonist,
like I just I don't know, man, just the funk up.
You know what you're talking about.
Speaker 5 (01:30:27):
Uh, well, it was hul Comania. This was the go
home quote from Vince relative to uh, Hulcimania and all
we're about to embark on on the complete Hulk Cogan take.
Speaker 10 (01:30:41):
Him less of a wrestler. It didn't make him less
of an entertainer. It's never going to take away from
his greatness.
Speaker 4 (01:30:49):
But one thing that he said an character, which is
that hul Comedia would.
Speaker 2 (01:30:55):
Left forever.
Speaker 6 (01:30:59):
It is.
Speaker 2 (01:31:01):
Indeed it is. Well we'll see about that one. Well
we will, indeed we will.
Speaker 5 (01:31:05):
Indeed, the folks at TMZ and Fox for giving us
a chance to oil the gears, to prepare the prepare
the engine, and UH to sharpen the blade, because the
next time you hear from us, we will begin the
full odyssey through the full life and times of Hull
Coke and TLF becomes the complete Hull Cooke and t
(01:31:26):
c H. So strap yourselves in, bitch ass motherfuckers, and
we'll see you next time.
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