April 13, 2025 • 43 mins
Hello! Is there anyone out there?! Well, we hope so! Because we are back at it in anticipation of Season 2 of The Last of Us. On this bonus show, we go over some updates on where we've been, what are our expextations of this show and what y'all can expect out of us as well as what sort of anticipation levels we may or may not be dealing with... Listen now to find out all this and more!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Is this thing on? Are we live back a Breaker one? Nine?
Speaker 2 (00:04):
Anyone got a copy?
Speaker 3 (00:29):
Welcome to the Last Cast MAX is unofficial Last of
US recap podcast. This show hosted each week by me,
Jack and Andrew Hi. We'll take an in depth dive
into season two's continuation of the Mega TV series. Event
will break down, assess, compare, contrast, and have a little
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bit of fun as we go. So grab your six
string and your revolver so we can get.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
On with it.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
My god, it has been two years almost. We are
recording this in mid April. The last time we dropped
a podcast was in June of twenty twenty three.
Speaker 4 (01:11):
For the last cast, you might say, it's been episode three.
Long long time. Yes, this is exciting. It takes a
long time to make television shows these days.
Speaker 3 (01:20):
It does, it does, And I think that this was
also I mean, they didn't start filming for season two
until like well after a year I believe of season.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
One had been done.
Speaker 3 (01:34):
I think it was either the end of that year
or the beginning of the following one. So season one
dropped in January of twenty twenty three. It concluded in
March of twenty twenty three. I think it was either
the end of twenty twenty three or beginning of twenty
twenty four before they even started production. And that's just
I mean production with like actors on set and things
like that. I know production is always fucking rolling. Yeah,
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shows are in production.
Speaker 1 (01:58):
No rest for the wicked rest.
Speaker 3 (02:01):
No, and we appreciate y'all out there doing all the
unseen work.
Speaker 1 (02:07):
We appreciate y'all.
Speaker 3 (02:08):
But yes, we understand that the last cast has not
dropped an episode in a very long time, so of
course we wanted to talk about that. But also we
have emails to cover still from all of you wonderful
people who had written in for season one, and I
will fully admit that I needed to not talk about
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the show for a very long time, which is why
we didn't cover any of those emails. And that's a
really selfish, sad reason, but also for my mental health,
so I don't feel bad about that. But now I'm
very excited to watch the premiere soon, very soon, and
dive back in the next seven weeks to just heavy
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assessment and probably insanely long podcasts we all know Andrew
loves and.
Speaker 4 (03:03):
Yeah, yeah, you got to give the people what they want.
You know that's the thing. So here, I'm here. I'm
here for y'all for the next seven weeks.
Speaker 3 (03:10):
Okay, you're welcome, yes, I and I know you're there
also because this will be a video podcast again, starting
with episode one, which we'll be dropping this upcoming week.
But I guess I have to put out some disclaimers.
I'm always I always feel the need to justify and
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and not necessarily to defend myself, but certainly just put
a label on certain aspects because I want people to
understand what they're going to have with this show.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
Okay, when it.
Speaker 3 (03:47):
Comes to my half of our co host partnership and
so on and so forth. I am extremely emotional person.
I'm an extremely emotional person, and I will be crying
a lot on camera this season because I rewatched the
trailers in prep for this episode, which is just an
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expectation show, so it's very short, So lower your expectations
at home. People just kidding they can see the runtime.
But yeah, I want to put that up front right now,
that I will be crying a lot because I'm an
extremely emotional person and it's going to be just disgusting
on camera.
Speaker 1 (04:27):
So just mentally prepare for that I'm glorious four k.
Speaker 3 (04:32):
Yeah, and just you know, if you feel the need
to just be like, oh my god, Jack's so annoying.
Speaker 1 (04:37):
All she does is like cry, just stop watching.
Speaker 4 (04:40):
All she does is it's just the episodes, Hello, and
welcome to the Last cast. Pretty much for three straight hours,
it's like, I can't get a word in edgewise.
Speaker 1 (04:52):
I'm sorry, I'm sorry. That would be that would be
the literal lunacy if that happened.
Speaker 3 (05:00):
Hey, you know, and I'm not trying to like hint
at any spoilers. I'm literally just saying I am an
emotional person and this is such an emotionally driven story
and narrative, and that's how I respond and how I've
always responded to anything that I'm fully invested in. So
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even if it's a good thing, I'm probably gonna cry.
It just is what it is. So yes, yeah, all
that to say, Andrew will take up the film in
those moments and appreciate you.
Speaker 4 (05:34):
Yeah, I'm here, I'm here, Yeah, I have. It's interesting
this show specifically, we know shows take a long time
and a long time to do, right, you know. The
cool thing about the Last of Us is that it's
out of the gate easily one of their most popular
seasons of television. They I think they average somewhere between
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thirty and forty million views per episode, which is great, right,
and this season is condensed, right, And what we also
know is that we already have a season three. They've
greenlit season three before anybody even well any of us
regular people even saw a peak at season two, so
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we're in for some good stuff. What I'm hoping is
that they kind of just roll right into production for
season three and then we have less time, less downtime
to not talk about this really really great show, which
will also be a very emotional show, I imagine for
a lot of people, not just you. I think the
(06:39):
I think if you have I won't say anything. That's
all I can't.
Speaker 1 (06:43):
I just want to say, that's why you can't say anything.
Speaker 3 (06:45):
And that's why I limited it to just me and
my type of personality, because this boy, this show is
spoiler free.
Speaker 1 (06:53):
We do our best.
Speaker 3 (06:55):
I'm going to say that right now, because we received
a wonderful review by someone in early January of this year, actually,
and we're going to cover that in this upcoming week's
episode before we dive into season two, Episode one, Future Days,
But they basically just said, you know, if you've played
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the game and you're listening to Jack and Andrew talk,
you understand what they're saying when they say no spoilers.
Speaker 1 (07:23):
You know.
Speaker 3 (07:23):
So it sounded like this person was a little bit
annoyed because we were trying hard not to say something
while kind of hinting towards things. And I understand it's
a fine line to walk, you know, it is a.
Speaker 1 (07:34):
Very fine line to walk.
Speaker 3 (07:36):
And I kind of pose the question to you to
my cousin, like should we go to a full spoiler show?
And the answer from both of you was no. Stick
with what we've been doing because it worked two years ago,
and it keeps the separation of church and state essentially
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between gamers and TV show watchers.
Speaker 1 (08:02):
And that is a very big.
Speaker 3 (08:03):
Gap, because if anybody remembers some of what we've talked
about on the last cast Season one, the difference between
gamers who go into this show versus people who you know,
have never picked up a game controller in their entire life,
or it's been twenty or thirty years and they just,
you know, they grew out of it and they moved
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on whatever they don't care. They don't care about those details.
Just like our sister show Wayfair and Strangers, we don't
talk about the show on that podcast because people might
not care about the show. They're just there for the game.
So it's the respect of both parties while hopefully doing
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justice to the people from both parties that show up
either way.
Speaker 1 (08:52):
Does that make sid outs?
Speaker 4 (08:54):
It does, right, So yeah, I mean, there's the opportunity
for us to maybe leverage our knowledge of what happens
in the games, but we would never presume to ruin
that experience for a person who is just enjoying a really,
really great television show, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (09:14):
Yes, And that would gut me to know that we
did something or revealed something even accidentally, sure that took
away someone's experience, because I've had I probably I've shared
this somewhere, but something on Game of Thrones was spoiled
for me from season seven back in fucking like twenty
seventeen or twenty eighteen, I think it was twenty seventeen whatever.
Speaker 1 (09:38):
But I was mad. I was literally mad. I huming,
I was furious for weeks.
Speaker 3 (09:47):
I was like, I can't believe, I cannot believe. And
it was like the show was still airing that episode
that night, like permrroring that night, and somebody had already
spoiled it, and I was like, how what is wrong
with you people? So anyway, we're veering off course all
that to say, we will do our best keeping to
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a strict non spoiler breakdown each week, while also being
even more subtle in the mentions that we bring in
from the game or not, because I might even lower
that amount of mentions.
Speaker 1 (10:26):
Hey, we'll see, we'll see how it goes.
Speaker 4 (10:27):
And also there's there's also the possibility that you know,
they've done something new that we don't know about.
Speaker 1 (10:33):
You know, yes, I'll say we will reiterate that.
Speaker 4 (10:36):
You know, the Bill and Frank storyline from season one
simply not present in that level of fullness right now.
The show expanded that in a way that was amazing
and frankly, you know, award winning. Yeah, And so I'm
hoping to be pleasantly surprised by season two. In similar ways,
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it's like, here's a thing that may have just been
offhanded mention, but we're really going to dive deep into it.
Speaker 1 (11:03):
I would love that. I would love that deeply yes,
I think that's perfect. I think that's perfect.
Speaker 3 (11:08):
So what kind of just high level Andrew, what expectations
are you going into season two with?
Speaker 4 (11:16):
Okay, I'm only basing this off of what I have
seen from two trailers. Okay, sure, So it sounds like
you watched a short one. Maybe I watched the teaser
from three months ago, which was like about a minute long,
starts off with the sirens, and we see Caitlin Deaver
in that one. And then I watched one from about
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a month ago that was maybe two minutes, two and
a half minutes something like that, which expanded the world.
We saw a little bit more of all of our favorites. Sure,
it's very clear to me that the theme of this
season is big. It's bigger. Right, we're seeing from the trailers.
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I'm going to spoil a trailer. From the trailer, we
are seeing hordes of infected, right, we saw at most
in the last season. I'm thinking the Kansas City episode
we saw a hundred at a time.
Speaker 1 (12:11):
Maybe some you know that that's in that sequence.
Speaker 4 (12:16):
We're talking hundreds of infected now, so kind of getting
like some you know, World War ze vibes from that,
you know, in a good way.
Speaker 3 (12:29):
I was going to ask that was my follow up.
Is that a good thing for this universe, for this show?
Speaker 4 (12:35):
I think, you know, it's it's interesting taking on their own.
I think, let me just say that almost all zombie
lore eventually reaches this point where it's like, we've gotten
really good at handling these things on a one on
one or five on two kind of basis, you know
what I'm saying, Yeah, and so we have to up
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the ante. Like it happened to the Walking Dead, there's like, oh,
you just kind of have to try to direct this
horde of hundreds of zombies or walkers in this case,
I think it raises the stakes in interesting ways. You know,
we have these population centers now, like Jackson, it's well,
it seems from season one to be well guarded, well patrolled,
well protected, right, and so sure, individual infected even if
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it's a clicker or something probably going to be pretty ineffective.
But when you introduce hundreds of them, now we actually
have steaks, right, So I think that's kind of an
interesting It seems like the logical path to take, and
it's I'm looking forward to it. I want to see
how they pull it off.
Speaker 1 (13:36):
I agree.
Speaker 3 (13:36):
I think along with the the beginning of season two,
you'd love to hear it. I have to also put
in that it feels very dark.
Speaker 1 (13:51):
There's not that.
Speaker 3 (13:53):
Okay, not that the Last of Us and the Trailers
and all the nine episodes that we went through with
season one, not that they were just you know, bursting
with sunshine and rainbows.
Speaker 1 (14:04):
I'm not saying that, but there.
Speaker 3 (14:06):
Was more of I think there was just more of
a hopeful tone overall because of Joel.
Speaker 1 (14:14):
And Ellie's journey West.
Speaker 3 (14:16):
So when you're talking about or not talking about, when
you're introducing characters to people who haven't played the games,
who don't know anything about The Last of Us or
a Naughty Dog or whatever, you're introducing them literally in
this terrible situation than this post apocalyptic world, in this
thrown together because of ragtag factions warring against one another
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and this that and the other, and who side are
we on and who do we agree with? And so
on and so forth, and then by the end of
episode one they are on a journey. It's very it.
You could toss the Lord of the Rings in there, honestly, like,
oh god, I'm a huge Loader of the Rings. Nerd
and Andrew Love's poke fun just FYI. Anybody who doesn't
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know that, now you do? You know? It's it's this
idea of the start of a journey. And even if
it's a dark like, even if you're surrounded by hopelessness
on all sides, if there are two or three characters
setting out on some sort of quest, there is an
inherent hopefulness to that no matter what.
Speaker 1 (15:22):
Yeah, I hope we make it. I hope everything's okay,
exactly exactly.
Speaker 3 (15:28):
It's like my backpack has a few, you know, cans
of food. I have a few, I don't know, ounces
of water, a tent to sleep under at night. Whatever,
it is like, you have something to give the viewers
an audience a sense of hopeful hopefulness. And I don't
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feel a lot of that from the season two trailers.
And that's what I mean by darker. So it basically
it took the last of US season one and just
dimmed it a little bit.
Speaker 4 (16:02):
Yeah, and to be clear, season one not a shining
bastion of hope and light either.
Speaker 1 (16:08):
But that's what I said.
Speaker 4 (16:09):
Yeah, yeah, no, no, no, I take your point about the
Lord of the Rings. Okay, I internalize that. However, yeah,
I will also say that most films, most television shows
nowadays even seem to be following the template of Star Wars, right,
and this is their empire strikes back. In fact, I
think Craig Mason actually said that exact thing in an
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interview that I read, whereas like, this is our empire
strikes back. So you need that for better or worse.
That's the hero's journey, right. We need a moment of weakness,
we need a moment of darkness, we need a moment
of peril, maybe a lot of all three of those things,
to be quite honest, in hopes that we have, you know,
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a return of the Jedi in season three, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (17:00):
I don't know about that.
Speaker 4 (17:00):
Actually, it could be that we have two empires strikes backs,
and then maybe season four or five is your return
of the Jedi.
Speaker 1 (17:11):
I don't know. It's unknown.
Speaker 3 (17:13):
It really truly is unknown at this point because there
is only a Last of Us Part one and only
a Last of Us Part two, and as of April tenth,
they released the complete Last of Us collection that contains
both of those games together, and people are concerned that
that is an indicator there will not be a part three,
so that if you look at that through the lens
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of the show, what does that mean for the show?
Speaker 1 (17:38):
So we don't even know.
Speaker 3 (17:41):
And there's actually a little bit of excitement there before
that I hadn't felt. And I want to be very
transparent here. I think I started to talk about it
earlier on in our introduction. I very much needed a
break from this TV show for literally years up until
almost and I'm not bullshitting you or anyone else. Up
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until like five or six days ago, I wasn't sure
if we were going to continue this podcast because what
of how disappointed I was with the back half of
season one and how that affected my literal mental health.
And y'all can laugh at that and poke fun and whatever, like,
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oh my god, she's too serious. It's just a Teva.
But that's who I am, and that's what the show is.
And if that's not for you, then I bid you ado.
But I struggled legitimately with whether or not this was
going to happen. And then Andrew and I had a
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conversation again five or six days ago where he just said,
you have to divorce the show from the game. He
used divorce, and I think that that was such a
strong word that because I've been trying to quote separate
it and separate it and separate it. But separation is
not divorce, and anybody with parents who have gone through
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divorce understand the difference. I'm fortunate enough that my parents
did not ever go through that, but Andrew knows firsthand.
Speaker 4 (19:15):
Yeah, this is starting up a lot of consternation in
hell boy, I'm sorry, but it's fine.
Speaker 3 (19:24):
It's a very very different word. And the moment I
sat on that and wrote about it in my journal legitimately,
because I journal twice a day, every single day of
my life and it's a wonderful practice and I encourage
everybody to do that, but I wrote about it and
I was like, I feel like I finally made peace
with the fact that these are two completely separate properties.
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And the gamers who are listening to me might be like, Jack,
what the fuck are you talking about? It's literally the
last of us, it is, but it's not. And that's
what I felt like I needed to defend for years.
I need to reinforce and explain like, well, no, you know,
Ellie wouldn't do this and Joel wouldn't do that, and
this is not a part of who he was, and.
Speaker 1 (20:10):
That's not at all who she was.
Speaker 3 (20:13):
And it just got so big and overwhelming in my
brain that that's why I was like, I don't know
if I want to do this show, because this is
a very difficult thing that we are about to undertake.
Speaker 4 (20:25):
Yeah, I'm happy that you were able to arrive there.
I look at this realistically. I know that there are
people out there I only wanted to happen because I'm
piggybacking off.
Speaker 1 (20:35):
A point you made.
Speaker 4 (20:35):
Sure there are people out there that will say this
is the video game, and to them, I say, yeah,
it looks like it does. It looks like the characters
are named the same, they're dressed the same, you know
all that stuff. I'm just it's more like any of
the adaptations that we've seen that aren't one hundred percent
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faithful to the source material. So I'm going to round
off a few off the top of my head.
Speaker 1 (21:01):
Right.
Speaker 4 (21:02):
The one that comes to mind for me is Fight Club.
Whether your mileage may vary about whether you know anything
about that movie or that book, whatever, that's fine. The
original Shining by Stanley Kubrick, I Am Legend is a
movie that is not like the book A Dune, which
I just watched recently. As I understand, it is like close,
but they had to like mercilessly chop stuff to make
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it fit in a cinematic medium.
Speaker 1 (21:28):
The Lord of the Rings, The Lord of the Rings.
Speaker 4 (21:30):
Right, a lot of sci fi actually, you know a
lot of a lot of that kind of eye robot.
Speaker 1 (21:35):
I just bought that book yesterday.
Speaker 4 (21:36):
Oh there you go see and they're both good. Right,
So like you read the book, you watch the movie,
you're like, I see what. There is a Venn diagram
and a lot of that stuff overlaps in the middle. However,
there are fringes on either side of those circles where
they are distinct, and that is what the Last of
Us is. It's not a complete overlapping circle. It's a
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let's call it, like a seventy percent overlap. I feel
like that's a pretty generous and accurate summation of the
show versus the game in my In my opinion, I not.
Speaker 1 (22:10):
To be the contrarian.
Speaker 3 (22:12):
I probably go sixty percent because when I take into
when I look at season one, I'm looking at the
Bill and Frank episode, I'm looking at the introduction of
Perry in Kansas City, which again Jeffrey Pierce and oh boy,
Melanie Lynsky as Kathleen leading that faction and what happened there.
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You know, you brought up the swarm and how it
was maybe one hundred infected or so, and it did
involve children, and it did involve a bloater and it
was such an intense sequence and so on and so
forth that these things took moments from the game and
flushed them out. Yeah, so there were like hints of
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that group of people in the game and we encounter
them and it's a fun little level, fun little sniper level,
if you will.
Speaker 1 (23:09):
But then the show said, Okay, how do we take
that from a.
Speaker 3 (23:12):
Video game and make it for an audience on a
TV show? And that's how we met Kathleen and Perry
and so on and so forth. And so that's why
I go more sixty percent, because it's it's taking the
foundation of the Last of Us. It's taking the attire,
the weapons, even the accents to a degree, and the personalities,
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and it's putting them into its own world. So it's
more a you wish at moments, which is alternate universe
for our fanfic people out there than direct copy. And
I've said many times on season one that the Last
of Us TV show shines the most when it does
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not try to rinse and repeat what the game did.
And I have a feeling and I think that this
is where that piece has come from. I have a
feeling that season two changed a lot more than even
you and I realize on fundamental levels, with both characters
and the events that we are going to experience in
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the next seven weeks.
Speaker 1 (24:20):
Yeah, and that excites.
Speaker 3 (24:22):
Me because I don't I don't want to know something
that I think I already know.
Speaker 1 (24:28):
You know.
Speaker 4 (24:28):
Yeah. The thing that's most interesting is that they have
kept the parts of it seems based on trailers. They
have kept the parts of the game that are great
motifs or great set pieces. If you haven't played a
video game in a while, please go play. They're gorgeous,
They're beautiful. They have some of the most incredible set
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pieces in all of media, full stop. Just if you
play the Last of Us Part two or God of
War Ragnarok, or any of the Sony first party game,
you are going to see some things that are like, Wow,
this is a movie, right, It seems like they've kept
those elements that take just as much, if not more
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time and effort to construct, to stage, to set up
different kind of camera movements. So that's great, and then
they're going to layer on what needs to be done
for this to work in a non interactive medium like television,
and that is that's where we get these really great changes.
Speaker 1 (25:31):
I think, Yeah, you and I are both very hopeful
for Yes, I could not say that better.
Speaker 3 (25:38):
I keep forgetting to make a point that I've tried
to circle back to twice in that because I took
such an extended break from being in the last of
US TV show Bubble.
Speaker 1 (25:51):
Yeah, I have absolutely.
Speaker 3 (25:54):
I've avoided interviews, I've avoided panels. I really have just
basically cut the limb off over the last two years.
So a lot of things I don't know about. And
if people find that frustrating because they're like, well, Jack,
you know Craig or Neil or so on and so
forth talked about this, I got you. Why didn't you
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sit down and listen or this out or the other
the other. And I'm not talking about the official podcast.
I nope, doubt of that early on in season one,
and I think I expressed that on our own podcast.
But I just don't have any interest in certain parties'
opinions anymore because everything is just too soured for me
when it comes from them, So I avoid it, and
(26:38):
I'm going to continue to do that. So this show,
I want to make it very clear that this show
takes an extreme deep dive into the episodes.
Speaker 4 (26:49):
That's it, Okay, it's just what's presented to us, not
any yes, not the behind the scenes, not the this
interview with variety, none of that stuff.
Speaker 1 (27:01):
None of that stuff.
Speaker 3 (27:02):
I'm not going to be listening to the official podcast
with Troy Baker and I'm assuming Craig Mason and Neil
Druckman again, I'm not going to do that.
Speaker 1 (27:11):
It's just and.
Speaker 3 (27:12):
Maybe people are like, wow, again, you're taking it too serius, Jack,
Oh my god. But it's I'm protecting my mental health
because of things that I went through five years ago
and that were dredged up year after year after year
by the same people saying the same things. And I've,
like I said, I cut the limb off. I'm done
with that. So if you are expecting a podcast that
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does not only the show, but like all the interviews
and what he said, she said, when they said this,
that and the other. It's not going to be us.
We are just focused on the show and then your
emails to us.
Speaker 1 (27:49):
Yes, that's all.
Speaker 3 (27:50):
And if you reference something in an email where you're like,
I watched this interview with so and so this is
what happened, Andrew will watch that and explain to me
and then we'll go from there. And I'm happy to
talk about it. That'll be Andrew's corner. Yeah, so I'm
excited heading into it now. I'm scared, I'm worried, I
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am yeah, I'm all of the emotions. But above all
of that is I'm glad that it's back. Yes, I'm
happy to be on this journey again with you.
Speaker 1 (28:24):
Andrew.
Speaker 3 (28:25):
Let's go along with continuing our Wayfair and Stranger's journey,
which we are finally about to wrap the remaining emails
that we've had over the last four years from that show,
which is kind of extraordinary. I mean, at one point,
I'm pretty sure we were like two hundred emails behind
and now we're down to about six. So that's incredible
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for us. A little pound on the back. But yes,
we will get to your emails for the last cast
in the future. I also did officially start doing the
wrapped episodes, so oh, I don't know if anybody remembers,
but at the end of season one, we talked about
doing a very large episode where we cover episodes one
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through nine on a high level way if we missed
anything or if we felt we didn't do or talk
about something enough. And so I started that journey last night.
That will continue out throughout season two in the background,
and when season two is wrapped, season two will have
its wrap show, and then season one will have its
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wrapped show.
Speaker 1 (29:31):
Which is formed by season two. So there you go.
Speaker 3 (29:35):
Yeah, And that was the other thing too, when I
was watching some of the episodes from season one, not
some of the episode I mean I started at episode one.
I just picked one randomly, like a psycho. But you know,
at the end of season or excuse me, at the
end of episode one, when you're lost in the darkness,
the radio turns on and it's playing an eighty song.
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And we did not realize what that was in reference
to when we recorded the podcast, because we do not
have a crystal ball into the future, that's right, But
now obviously it had everything to do with Frank and
Bill and what happened to them and now we can
link all of those things together, and it's I'm really
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excited to take that journey to in the future.
Speaker 1 (30:20):
So yes, I know we're running maybe a little longer
than we thought. That's okay. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (30:27):
The one thing I want to touch on, and this
is just an open question to you, is we have
our wonderful returning cast, and we have what I consider
to be just a stacked list of incredible new people
joining this season. It's almost it almost seems like too
many people for just seven episodes. But is there any
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like one or two standouts from this new cast that
you are like excited to see in this world?
Speaker 1 (30:59):
Oh? I there's I said one or two. I know
there's two.
Speaker 3 (31:05):
There's two, but one that I am the most excited for.
Should I give you my top choice or yeah, the
second to the top, and then the top like save
the best for last.
Speaker 1 (31:15):
What do you want? Oh my god, just give me
the top choice. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (31:21):
I want to know. I want the meat, and I
want the meat, and then you give me the potatoes.
Speaker 1 (31:25):
Okay, I mean my top choice is Joey Pants.
Speaker 4 (31:28):
Joey Pants, let's go.
Speaker 3 (31:34):
Yeah, Joey or Joe as he's credited, Pantoliano is a
fantastic actor. And when he was announced pretty late in
the in the cast announcements, actually, I got so excited
and I texted my cousin.
Speaker 1 (31:53):
I was like, Joey Pants is going to be on
the Last of Us season.
Speaker 3 (31:56):
Two and I had not talked about again, I completely
while was not talking about this show, and She's like, who.
Speaker 1 (32:02):
The fuck is Joey Pants?
Speaker 3 (32:04):
And then I was like, Joey pandlo and she was like, oh, yeah,
I know him. I love him, and I'm like, yeah,
he's great in everything. And I'm very excited because Joey
Jelley I'm talking about, like, I know Jelley Pants, but
he's playing a character named Eugene, and we do know
this character and we know I'd say, actually we know
of this character.
Speaker 1 (32:25):
We only know of this character. That's all.
Speaker 4 (32:27):
Yeah, yeah, that's kind of an interesting It's interesting that
it got someone so talented and such a recognizable name
in this role, is what I'll say.
Speaker 1 (32:40):
So, and that excites me. That very much excites me.
That's huge, that's huge.
Speaker 3 (32:45):
So he's my top choice. Okay, and then Jeffrey Wright
is my second.
Speaker 4 (32:49):
Top Jeffrey Wright an incredible actor. He's been in some
of my favorite things. Even if you just say tell
me all the things that Jeffrey Wright's been in on
eight that you like, I'm like, well, yeah, let me
tell you about this show called Westworld where he was incredible. Yeah,
he'll be reprising his role he was in the game.
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I think that's safe to say. And they just tapped
him on the shoulder to reprise his role from the game,
which is not the first time that they've done this,
but it's amazing that they're doing it again.
Speaker 5 (33:21):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (33:21):
They did it with Marlene's character Merl Dangers, and she
was fantastic in season one, as we all have come
to see, so and and and and I guess third choice,
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (33:34):
I said one or two. I don't care. I don't care.
Speaker 3 (33:38):
Katherine O'Hara, Gosh, honestly, she should have been she should
have been two for me.
Speaker 1 (33:44):
Yeah, I'm gonna revise.
Speaker 3 (33:45):
So it's Joey pants, Jeffrey Wright or fuck joey pants.
Speaker 1 (33:50):
Katherine O'Hara and Jeffrey Wright got it. Here's what I'll
throw out there. Neither none of those were my answers.
Speaker 4 (33:56):
Luckily, the one that I'm interested in is she was added,
like very recently in a role that I don't recognize
from the game. It's Heady n Park, who we know
from Hannibal. She was one of the forensic doctors or
whatever in like season two or maybe three of Hannibal,
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and I loved her in that show. I thought she
was fantastic, and so I'm just interested to see Whenever
they bring in a character and they're like who, I'm like,
who is this right, there's like they just give them
a name. I'm like, oh, this could be really cool.
I'm really excited. I just like, I just like her,
So that's very exciting. Obviously, I'm really excited for Joey
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Pans and Catherine O'Hara too, like absolute powerhouse performers in
their own right.
Speaker 1 (34:44):
Oh yeah, in their own Jeffrey Wright and Isabella Emer
said her kid.
Speaker 4 (34:49):
I don't know if it's a hard see or a suck,
but she was in Alien Romulus, which we saw over
the summer, and she was She was awesome in that movie.
So very excited to see what she does here.
Speaker 1 (35:04):
It's awesome. That's it. It's great. There's a huge cast,
very exciting. There is a.
Speaker 3 (35:09):
Huge cast, and at the top of this new cast
member list, of course, is Kitlyn Deaver. And so I
saw Katelyn Deaver to the best of my knowledge, in
only one thing, and it was a series called Unbelievable
And I'm not going to talk about it in depth
because I don't want to list many trigger warnings, but
(35:30):
it was very impactful. She had an incredibly strong performance
on that show. I remember years ago when they had
announced the last of US TV show Kitlyn Deaver. It
was actually my first choice for Ellie, and there was
a lot of talk about her potentially playing Ellie.
Speaker 1 (35:51):
So it wasn't just like my fan casting.
Speaker 3 (35:54):
A lot of people felt that she would have embodied
that role beautifully. And now she is playing Abby and
we will see what Caitlin does with that particular character,
and that is what I will That's where I'll leave it.
Speaker 4 (36:11):
Yeah, So I know her from BookSmart, which was an
Olivia Wilde movie from maybe a few years ago, six
or seven maybe, and then more recently she was in
a horror film. I want to preface that by saying
your mile ledge may vary on that called No One
Will Save you, and she was absolutely incredible in No
(36:34):
One Will Save You. If you haven't seen that movie,
which based on box office reception, not many of you
did go see No One Will Save You. It just
kind of it didn't get the right marketing. It deserves
more eyeballs.
Speaker 3 (36:48):
You should watch it, Okay, Just to circle back to
Hetty and Park real quick. She played Beverly Cats on Hannibal,
which is a crime scene investigator. Yes, and fantastic, fantastic portrayal,
fantastic actress. She was one of my favorite characters on
the show. But yeah, I know we were a little
bit all over the place here, not as succinct or
as tight as I anticipated or wanted.
Speaker 1 (37:10):
And that's fine.
Speaker 3 (37:11):
We have even if we miss an episode for Wayfair
and the following week we're a little janky.
Speaker 1 (37:16):
It's just part of the podcasting life.
Speaker 3 (37:19):
But I thought it was important to break down why
there has been a long silence, but also the anticipation
slash expectation slash what we know for season two, which
is premiering shortly.
Speaker 4 (37:34):
Like this is releasing on the day that it is premiering,
like imminently. Yeah, so we wanted to get this out
here before just to get our hopes and feelings down
before before any possible corruption from watching the episode could happen.
Speaker 3 (37:53):
So sure, yeah, and then and then listen on Tuesday.
I'll be like, I'm done wrong about everything. It's a
small intimate character drama. Now, what happens? What Joey pans
can't connect at all? He's terrible, Chatherine O'Hara, No, yeah, yeah,
(38:15):
so yeah, we will be on this ride with you guys,
the ups and the downs and everything in between. But
thank you for uh yeah listening to the show. We'll
be back in your feed later in a few days,
literally in a few days with our breakdown of episode one,
future days for season two. In the meantime, if you
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would like to follow us on Instagram, you can do
that at Teelu Podcasts or Blue Sky, which is a
little crickety. We don't do much over there, but if
you'd like to, you can at Teelu podcast If you
are going to watch our podcast episodes instead of just
listening to them on your mobile device or at home
(39:01):
on your computer or wherever you listen to your podcast,
you can just go over to YouTube and search Telu
Podcasts or the last cast or Wayfair and Strangers.
Speaker 4 (39:11):
It'll all lead you to US Yeah and Spotify listeners.
You also have the opportunity to watch the video versions
on Spotify. I will be uploading season one tonight and
matching them to their dates so they don't like just
appear as brand new episodes for you. So going forward,
every episode that releases on YouTube will have a simultaneous
Spotify release boom.
Speaker 3 (39:32):
See, We're just we're trying to We're trying to do
the thing and mentioned I believe twice throughout this show.
We do have a Last of Us podcast dedicated completely
to the games. It is called Wayfair and Strangers. We
finished covering the Last of Us Part one a couple
months ago. Then we are in our email catch up
(39:54):
from the last two to three years. I'm not kidding
at all, that's how far behind we got. And then
we will be continuing Left Behind, which is the downloadable
content for the game one, and then rolling right into
the Last of Us Part two, which is what season
two is covering. So if you're interested in that and
would like to follow along, even if you've never played
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the game, you can come and hang out with us
every week over there.
Speaker 1 (40:19):
Just open your podcast.
Speaker 3 (40:21):
Player on Spotify or wherever you listen pocketcast, overcast all
the casts, and yeah, search up wayfair and strangers and
you'll get more of us.
Speaker 1 (40:30):
So it should be fun.
Speaker 3 (40:31):
Should be great if you would like to follow me
on the internet, so you can do that at either
Jaded Vader or through Wilderness thru like through Hiking Wilderness,
because yeah, Jaded Vader has been a little dormant for
a while because I needed to take a virtual photography break,
(40:51):
and we do that sometimes, we need mental health break sometimes.
And Andrew, where can everyone find you?
Speaker 4 (40:59):
Most places at dark Driving, like driving in the dark,
dark Driving, and on Blue Sky just search my name
Andrew Gormley. I got that sweet sweet domain verification, so
I'm just at Andrew Gormley dot com over there.
Speaker 3 (41:13):
Nice see and there you go. But thank you guys
for listening, for hanging out with us and imbibing the chaos,
because that's what it's going to be for the next
seven weeks. And we have a show to watch tonight,
so I guess we're just gonna get.
Speaker 1 (41:30):
On with that. Oh it's very exciting. I have the
butterflies of my belly.
Speaker 4 (41:35):
Everyone's texting, They're like, are you excited, And I'm like,
it's funny, not really not, I'm just it's like, you know,
are you excited for It's like a you know, I
have the curse of knowledge, and so you know what
I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (41:52):
It's like, I'm excited to.
Speaker 4 (41:53):
Watch this interpretation of this, but I am fully expecting
to potentially have my heartbroken into a thousand pieces or
something like that as well.
Speaker 1 (42:01):
So yep, excited. Our old show could have been that common. Yeah,
I'm looking forward to it, is what I'll say. But
I don't know if I would use the word excited. Perfect.
Speaker 3 (42:12):
Yes, yeah, let's go, let's go, let's let's fucking go.
And on that note, let's walk and go. So yeah,
that's it. That's the show. We'll talk to you guys
in a couple of days again.
Speaker 5 (42:25):
Bye bye, in in In
Is this thing on? Are we live back a Breaker one? Nine?
Speaker 2 (00:04):
Anyone got a copy?
Speaker 3 (00:29):
Welcome to the Last Cast MAX is unofficial Last of
US recap podcast. This show hosted each week by me,
Jack and Andrew Hi. We'll take an in depth dive
into season two's continuation of the Mega TV series. Event
will break down, assess, compare, contrast, and have a little
(00:51):
bit of fun as we go. So grab your six
string and your revolver so we can get.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
On with it.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
My god, it has been two years almost. We are
recording this in mid April. The last time we dropped
a podcast was in June of twenty twenty three.
Speaker 4 (01:11):
For the last cast, you might say, it's been episode three.
Long long time. Yes, this is exciting. It takes a
long time to make television shows these days.
Speaker 3 (01:20):
It does, it does, And I think that this was
also I mean, they didn't start filming for season two
until like well after a year I believe of season.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
One had been done.
Speaker 3 (01:34):
I think it was either the end of that year
or the beginning of the following one. So season one
dropped in January of twenty twenty three. It concluded in
March of twenty twenty three. I think it was either
the end of twenty twenty three or beginning of twenty
twenty four before they even started production. And that's just
I mean production with like actors on set and things
like that. I know production is always fucking rolling. Yeah,
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shows are in production.
Speaker 1 (01:58):
No rest for the wicked rest.
Speaker 3 (02:01):
No, and we appreciate y'all out there doing all the
unseen work.
Speaker 1 (02:07):
We appreciate y'all.
Speaker 3 (02:08):
But yes, we understand that the last cast has not
dropped an episode in a very long time, so of
course we wanted to talk about that. But also we
have emails to cover still from all of you wonderful
people who had written in for season one, and I
will fully admit that I needed to not talk about
(02:33):
the show for a very long time, which is why
we didn't cover any of those emails. And that's a
really selfish, sad reason, but also for my mental health,
so I don't feel bad about that. But now I'm
very excited to watch the premiere soon, very soon, and
dive back in the next seven weeks to just heavy
(02:55):
assessment and probably insanely long podcasts we all know Andrew
loves and.
Speaker 4 (03:03):
Yeah, yeah, you got to give the people what they want.
You know that's the thing. So here, I'm here. I'm
here for y'all for the next seven weeks.
Speaker 3 (03:10):
Okay, you're welcome, yes, I and I know you're there
also because this will be a video podcast again, starting
with episode one, which we'll be dropping this upcoming week.
But I guess I have to put out some disclaimers.
I'm always I always feel the need to justify and
(03:32):
and not necessarily to defend myself, but certainly just put
a label on certain aspects because I want people to
understand what they're going to have with this show.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
Okay, when it.
Speaker 3 (03:47):
Comes to my half of our co host partnership and
so on and so forth. I am extremely emotional person.
I'm an extremely emotional person, and I will be crying
a lot on camera this season because I rewatched the
trailers in prep for this episode, which is just an
(04:09):
expectation show, so it's very short, So lower your expectations
at home. People just kidding they can see the runtime.
But yeah, I want to put that up front right now,
that I will be crying a lot because I'm an
extremely emotional person and it's going to be just disgusting
on camera.
Speaker 1 (04:27):
So just mentally prepare for that I'm glorious four k.
Speaker 3 (04:32):
Yeah, and just you know, if you feel the need
to just be like, oh my god, Jack's so annoying.
Speaker 1 (04:37):
All she does is like cry, just stop watching.
Speaker 4 (04:40):
All she does is it's just the episodes, Hello, and
welcome to the Last cast. Pretty much for three straight hours,
it's like, I can't get a word in edgewise.
Speaker 1 (04:52):
I'm sorry, I'm sorry. That would be that would be
the literal lunacy if that happened.
Speaker 3 (05:00):
Hey, you know, and I'm not trying to like hint
at any spoilers. I'm literally just saying I am an
emotional person and this is such an emotionally driven story
and narrative, and that's how I respond and how I've
always responded to anything that I'm fully invested in. So
(05:21):
even if it's a good thing, I'm probably gonna cry.
It just is what it is. So yes, yeah, all
that to say, Andrew will take up the film in
those moments and appreciate you.
Speaker 4 (05:34):
Yeah, I'm here, I'm here, Yeah, I have. It's interesting
this show specifically, we know shows take a long time
and a long time to do, right, you know. The
cool thing about the Last of Us is that it's
out of the gate easily one of their most popular
seasons of television. They I think they average somewhere between
(05:55):
thirty and forty million views per episode, which is great, right,
and this season is condensed, right, And what we also
know is that we already have a season three. They've
greenlit season three before anybody even well any of us
regular people even saw a peak at season two, so
(06:18):
we're in for some good stuff. What I'm hoping is
that they kind of just roll right into production for
season three and then we have less time, less downtime
to not talk about this really really great show, which
will also be a very emotional show, I imagine for
a lot of people, not just you. I think the
(06:39):
I think if you have I won't say anything. That's
all I can't.
Speaker 1 (06:43):
I just want to say, that's why you can't say anything.
Speaker 3 (06:45):
And that's why I limited it to just me and
my type of personality, because this boy, this show is
spoiler free.
Speaker 1 (06:53):
We do our best.
Speaker 3 (06:55):
I'm going to say that right now, because we received
a wonderful review by someone in early January of this year, actually,
and we're going to cover that in this upcoming week's
episode before we dive into season two, Episode one, Future Days,
But they basically just said, you know, if you've played
(07:15):
the game and you're listening to Jack and Andrew talk,
you understand what they're saying when they say no spoilers.
Speaker 1 (07:23):
You know.
Speaker 3 (07:23):
So it sounded like this person was a little bit
annoyed because we were trying hard not to say something
while kind of hinting towards things. And I understand it's
a fine line to walk, you know, it is a.
Speaker 1 (07:34):
Very fine line to walk.
Speaker 3 (07:36):
And I kind of pose the question to you to
my cousin, like should we go to a full spoiler show?
And the answer from both of you was no. Stick
with what we've been doing because it worked two years ago,
and it keeps the separation of church and state essentially
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between gamers and TV show watchers.
Speaker 1 (08:02):
And that is a very big.
Speaker 3 (08:03):
Gap, because if anybody remembers some of what we've talked
about on the last cast Season one, the difference between
gamers who go into this show versus people who you know,
have never picked up a game controller in their entire life,
or it's been twenty or thirty years and they just,
you know, they grew out of it and they moved
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on whatever they don't care. They don't care about those details.
Just like our sister show Wayfair and Strangers, we don't
talk about the show on that podcast because people might
not care about the show. They're just there for the game.
So it's the respect of both parties while hopefully doing
(08:47):
justice to the people from both parties that show up
either way.
Speaker 1 (08:52):
Does that make sid outs?
Speaker 4 (08:54):
It does, right, So yeah, I mean, there's the opportunity
for us to maybe leverage our knowledge of what happens
in the games, but we would never presume to ruin
that experience for a person who is just enjoying a really,
really great television show, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (09:14):
Yes, And that would gut me to know that we
did something or revealed something even accidentally, sure that took
away someone's experience, because I've had I probably I've shared
this somewhere, but something on Game of Thrones was spoiled
for me from season seven back in fucking like twenty
seventeen or twenty eighteen, I think it was twenty seventeen whatever.
Speaker 1 (09:38):
But I was mad. I was literally mad. I huming,
I was furious for weeks.
Speaker 3 (09:47):
I was like, I can't believe, I cannot believe. And
it was like the show was still airing that episode
that night, like permrroring that night, and somebody had already
spoiled it, and I was like, how what is wrong
with you people? So anyway, we're veering off course all
that to say, we will do our best keeping to
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a strict non spoiler breakdown each week, while also being
even more subtle in the mentions that we bring in
from the game or not, because I might even lower
that amount of mentions.
Speaker 1 (10:26):
Hey, we'll see, we'll see how it goes.
Speaker 4 (10:27):
And also there's there's also the possibility that you know,
they've done something new that we don't know about.
Speaker 1 (10:33):
You know, yes, I'll say we will reiterate that.
Speaker 4 (10:36):
You know, the Bill and Frank storyline from season one
simply not present in that level of fullness right now.
The show expanded that in a way that was amazing
and frankly, you know, award winning. Yeah, And so I'm
hoping to be pleasantly surprised by season two. In similar ways,
(10:57):
it's like, here's a thing that may have just been
offhanded mention, but we're really going to dive deep into it.
Speaker 1 (11:03):
I would love that. I would love that deeply yes,
I think that's perfect. I think that's perfect.
Speaker 3 (11:08):
So what kind of just high level Andrew, what expectations
are you going into season two with?
Speaker 4 (11:16):
Okay, I'm only basing this off of what I have
seen from two trailers. Okay, sure, So it sounds like
you watched a short one. Maybe I watched the teaser
from three months ago, which was like about a minute long,
starts off with the sirens, and we see Caitlin Deaver
in that one. And then I watched one from about
(11:37):
a month ago that was maybe two minutes, two and
a half minutes something like that, which expanded the world.
We saw a little bit more of all of our favorites. Sure,
it's very clear to me that the theme of this
season is big. It's bigger. Right, we're seeing from the trailers.
(11:57):
I'm going to spoil a trailer. From the trailer, we
are seeing hordes of infected, right, we saw at most
in the last season. I'm thinking the Kansas City episode
we saw a hundred at a time.
Speaker 1 (12:11):
Maybe some you know that that's in that sequence.
Speaker 4 (12:16):
We're talking hundreds of infected now, so kind of getting
like some you know, World War ze vibes from that,
you know, in a good way.
Speaker 3 (12:29):
I was going to ask that was my follow up.
Is that a good thing for this universe, for this show?
Speaker 4 (12:35):
I think, you know, it's it's interesting taking on their own.
I think, let me just say that almost all zombie
lore eventually reaches this point where it's like, we've gotten
really good at handling these things on a one on
one or five on two kind of basis, you know
what I'm saying, Yeah, and so we have to up
(12:55):
the ante. Like it happened to the Walking Dead, there's like, oh,
you just kind of have to try to direct this
horde of hundreds of zombies or walkers in this case,
I think it raises the stakes in interesting ways. You know,
we have these population centers now, like Jackson, it's well,
it seems from season one to be well guarded, well patrolled,
well protected, right, and so sure, individual infected even if
(13:20):
it's a clicker or something probably going to be pretty ineffective.
But when you introduce hundreds of them, now we actually
have steaks, right, So I think that's kind of an
interesting It seems like the logical path to take, and
it's I'm looking forward to it. I want to see
how they pull it off.
Speaker 1 (13:36):
I agree.
Speaker 3 (13:36):
I think along with the the beginning of season two,
you'd love to hear it. I have to also put
in that it feels very dark.
Speaker 1 (13:51):
There's not that.
Speaker 3 (13:53):
Okay, not that the Last of Us and the Trailers
and all the nine episodes that we went through with
season one, not that they were just you know, bursting
with sunshine and rainbows.
Speaker 1 (14:04):
I'm not saying that, but there.
Speaker 3 (14:06):
Was more of I think there was just more of
a hopeful tone overall because of Joel.
Speaker 1 (14:14):
And Ellie's journey West.
Speaker 3 (14:16):
So when you're talking about or not talking about, when
you're introducing characters to people who haven't played the games,
who don't know anything about The Last of Us or
a Naughty Dog or whatever, you're introducing them literally in
this terrible situation than this post apocalyptic world, in this
thrown together because of ragtag factions warring against one another
(14:40):
and this that and the other, and who side are
we on and who do we agree with? And so
on and so forth, and then by the end of
episode one they are on a journey. It's very it.
You could toss the Lord of the Rings in there, honestly, like,
oh god, I'm a huge Loader of the Rings. Nerd
and Andrew Love's poke fun just FYI. Anybody who doesn't
(15:00):
know that, now you do? You know? It's it's this
idea of the start of a journey. And even if
it's a dark like, even if you're surrounded by hopelessness
on all sides, if there are two or three characters
setting out on some sort of quest, there is an
inherent hopefulness to that no matter what.
Speaker 1 (15:22):
Yeah, I hope we make it. I hope everything's okay,
exactly exactly.
Speaker 3 (15:28):
It's like my backpack has a few, you know, cans
of food. I have a few, I don't know, ounces
of water, a tent to sleep under at night. Whatever,
it is like, you have something to give the viewers
an audience a sense of hopeful hopefulness. And I don't
(15:50):
feel a lot of that from the season two trailers.
And that's what I mean by darker. So it basically
it took the last of US season one and just
dimmed it a little bit.
Speaker 4 (16:02):
Yeah, and to be clear, season one not a shining
bastion of hope and light either.
Speaker 1 (16:08):
But that's what I said.
Speaker 4 (16:09):
Yeah, yeah, no, no, no, I take your point about the
Lord of the Rings. Okay, I internalize that. However, yeah,
I will also say that most films, most television shows
nowadays even seem to be following the template of Star Wars, right,
and this is their empire strikes back. In fact, I
think Craig Mason actually said that exact thing in an
(16:32):
interview that I read, whereas like, this is our empire
strikes back. So you need that for better or worse.
That's the hero's journey, right. We need a moment of weakness,
we need a moment of darkness, we need a moment
of peril, maybe a lot of all three of those things,
to be quite honest, in hopes that we have, you know,
(16:57):
a return of the Jedi in season three, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (17:00):
I don't know about that.
Speaker 4 (17:00):
Actually, it could be that we have two empires strikes backs,
and then maybe season four or five is your return
of the Jedi.
Speaker 1 (17:11):
I don't know. It's unknown.
Speaker 3 (17:13):
It really truly is unknown at this point because there
is only a Last of Us Part one and only
a Last of Us Part two, and as of April tenth,
they released the complete Last of Us collection that contains
both of those games together, and people are concerned that
that is an indicator there will not be a part three,
so that if you look at that through the lens
(17:35):
of the show, what does that mean for the show?
Speaker 1 (17:38):
So we don't even know.
Speaker 3 (17:41):
And there's actually a little bit of excitement there before
that I hadn't felt. And I want to be very
transparent here. I think I started to talk about it
earlier on in our introduction. I very much needed a
break from this TV show for literally years up until
almost and I'm not bullshitting you or anyone else. Up
(18:03):
until like five or six days ago, I wasn't sure
if we were going to continue this podcast because what
of how disappointed I was with the back half of
season one and how that affected my literal mental health.
And y'all can laugh at that and poke fun and whatever, like,
(18:25):
oh my god, she's too serious. It's just a Teva.
But that's who I am, and that's what the show is.
And if that's not for you, then I bid you ado.
But I struggled legitimately with whether or not this was
going to happen. And then Andrew and I had a
(18:46):
conversation again five or six days ago where he just said,
you have to divorce the show from the game. He
used divorce, and I think that that was such a
strong word that because I've been trying to quote separate
it and separate it and separate it. But separation is
not divorce, and anybody with parents who have gone through
(19:07):
divorce understand the difference. I'm fortunate enough that my parents
did not ever go through that, but Andrew knows firsthand.
Speaker 4 (19:15):
Yeah, this is starting up a lot of consternation in
hell boy, I'm sorry, but it's fine.
Speaker 3 (19:24):
It's a very very different word. And the moment I
sat on that and wrote about it in my journal legitimately,
because I journal twice a day, every single day of
my life and it's a wonderful practice and I encourage
everybody to do that, but I wrote about it and
I was like, I feel like I finally made peace
with the fact that these are two completely separate properties.
(19:48):
And the gamers who are listening to me might be like, Jack,
what the fuck are you talking about? It's literally the
last of us, it is, but it's not. And that's
what I felt like I needed to defend for years.
I need to reinforce and explain like, well, no, you know,
Ellie wouldn't do this and Joel wouldn't do that, and
this is not a part of who he was, and.
Speaker 1 (20:10):
That's not at all who she was.
Speaker 3 (20:13):
And it just got so big and overwhelming in my
brain that that's why I was like, I don't know
if I want to do this show, because this is
a very difficult thing that we are about to undertake.
Speaker 4 (20:25):
Yeah, I'm happy that you were able to arrive there.
I look at this realistically. I know that there are
people out there I only wanted to happen because I'm
piggybacking off.
Speaker 1 (20:35):
A point you made.
Speaker 4 (20:35):
Sure there are people out there that will say this
is the video game, and to them, I say, yeah,
it looks like it does. It looks like the characters
are named the same, they're dressed the same, you know
all that stuff. I'm just it's more like any of
the adaptations that we've seen that aren't one hundred percent
(20:57):
faithful to the source material. So I'm going to round
off a few off the top of my head.
Speaker 1 (21:01):
Right.
Speaker 4 (21:02):
The one that comes to mind for me is Fight Club.
Whether your mileage may vary about whether you know anything
about that movie or that book, whatever, that's fine. The
original Shining by Stanley Kubrick, I Am Legend is a
movie that is not like the book A Dune, which
I just watched recently. As I understand, it is like close,
but they had to like mercilessly chop stuff to make
(21:25):
it fit in a cinematic medium.
Speaker 1 (21:28):
The Lord of the Rings, The Lord of the Rings.
Speaker 4 (21:30):
Right, a lot of sci fi actually, you know a
lot of a lot of that kind of eye robot.
Speaker 1 (21:35):
I just bought that book yesterday.
Speaker 4 (21:36):
Oh there you go see and they're both good. Right,
So like you read the book, you watch the movie,
you're like, I see what. There is a Venn diagram
and a lot of that stuff overlaps in the middle. However,
there are fringes on either side of those circles where
they are distinct, and that is what the Last of
Us is. It's not a complete overlapping circle. It's a
(21:59):
let's call it, like a seventy percent overlap. I feel
like that's a pretty generous and accurate summation of the
show versus the game in my In my opinion, I not.
Speaker 1 (22:10):
To be the contrarian.
Speaker 3 (22:12):
I probably go sixty percent because when I take into
when I look at season one, I'm looking at the
Bill and Frank episode, I'm looking at the introduction of
Perry in Kansas City, which again Jeffrey Pierce and oh boy,
Melanie Lynsky as Kathleen leading that faction and what happened there.
(22:37):
You know, you brought up the swarm and how it
was maybe one hundred infected or so, and it did
involve children, and it did involve a bloater and it
was such an intense sequence and so on and so
forth that these things took moments from the game and
flushed them out. Yeah, so there were like hints of
(22:59):
that group of people in the game and we encounter
them and it's a fun little level, fun little sniper level,
if you will.
Speaker 1 (23:09):
But then the show said, Okay, how do we take
that from a.
Speaker 3 (23:12):
Video game and make it for an audience on a
TV show? And that's how we met Kathleen and Perry
and so on and so forth. And so that's why
I go more sixty percent, because it's it's taking the
foundation of the Last of Us. It's taking the attire,
the weapons, even the accents to a degree, and the personalities,
(23:37):
and it's putting them into its own world. So it's
more a you wish at moments, which is alternate universe
for our fanfic people out there than direct copy. And
I've said many times on season one that the Last
of Us TV show shines the most when it does
(23:57):
not try to rinse and repeat what the game did.
And I have a feeling and I think that this
is where that piece has come from. I have a
feeling that season two changed a lot more than even
you and I realize on fundamental levels, with both characters
and the events that we are going to experience in
(24:19):
the next seven weeks.
Speaker 1 (24:20):
Yeah, and that excites.
Speaker 3 (24:22):
Me because I don't I don't want to know something
that I think I already know.
Speaker 1 (24:28):
You know.
Speaker 4 (24:28):
Yeah. The thing that's most interesting is that they have
kept the parts of it seems based on trailers. They
have kept the parts of the game that are great
motifs or great set pieces. If you haven't played a
video game in a while, please go play. They're gorgeous,
They're beautiful. They have some of the most incredible set
(24:50):
pieces in all of media, full stop. Just if you
play the Last of Us Part two or God of
War Ragnarok, or any of the Sony first party game,
you are going to see some things that are like, Wow,
this is a movie, right, It seems like they've kept
those elements that take just as much, if not more
(25:12):
time and effort to construct, to stage, to set up
different kind of camera movements. So that's great, and then
they're going to layer on what needs to be done
for this to work in a non interactive medium like television,
and that is that's where we get these really great changes.
Speaker 1 (25:31):
I think, Yeah, you and I are both very hopeful
for Yes, I could not say that better.
Speaker 3 (25:38):
I keep forgetting to make a point that I've tried
to circle back to twice in that because I took
such an extended break from being in the last of
US TV show Bubble.
Speaker 1 (25:51):
Yeah, I have absolutely.
Speaker 3 (25:54):
I've avoided interviews, I've avoided panels. I really have just
basically cut the limb off over the last two years.
So a lot of things I don't know about. And
if people find that frustrating because they're like, well, Jack,
you know Craig or Neil or so on and so
forth talked about this, I got you. Why didn't you
(26:16):
sit down and listen or this out or the other
the other. And I'm not talking about the official podcast.
I nope, doubt of that early on in season one,
and I think I expressed that on our own podcast.
But I just don't have any interest in certain parties'
opinions anymore because everything is just too soured for me
when it comes from them, So I avoid it, and
(26:38):
I'm going to continue to do that. So this show,
I want to make it very clear that this show
takes an extreme deep dive into the episodes.
Speaker 4 (26:49):
That's it, Okay, it's just what's presented to us, not
any yes, not the behind the scenes, not the this
interview with variety, none of that stuff.
Speaker 1 (27:01):
None of that stuff.
Speaker 3 (27:02):
I'm not going to be listening to the official podcast
with Troy Baker and I'm assuming Craig Mason and Neil
Druckman again, I'm not going to do that.
Speaker 1 (27:11):
It's just and.
Speaker 3 (27:12):
Maybe people are like, wow, again, you're taking it too serius, Jack,
Oh my god. But it's I'm protecting my mental health
because of things that I went through five years ago
and that were dredged up year after year after year
by the same people saying the same things. And I've,
like I said, I cut the limb off. I'm done
with that. So if you are expecting a podcast that
(27:34):
does not only the show, but like all the interviews
and what he said, she said, when they said this,
that and the other. It's not going to be us.
We are just focused on the show and then your
emails to us.
Speaker 1 (27:49):
Yes, that's all.
Speaker 3 (27:50):
And if you reference something in an email where you're like,
I watched this interview with so and so this is
what happened, Andrew will watch that and explain to me
and then we'll go from there. And I'm happy to
talk about it. That'll be Andrew's corner. Yeah, so I'm
excited heading into it now. I'm scared, I'm worried, I
(28:12):
am yeah, I'm all of the emotions. But above all
of that is I'm glad that it's back. Yes, I'm
happy to be on this journey again with you.
Speaker 1 (28:24):
Andrew.
Speaker 3 (28:25):
Let's go along with continuing our Wayfair and Stranger's journey,
which we are finally about to wrap the remaining emails
that we've had over the last four years from that show,
which is kind of extraordinary. I mean, at one point,
I'm pretty sure we were like two hundred emails behind
and now we're down to about six. So that's incredible
(28:46):
for us. A little pound on the back. But yes,
we will get to your emails for the last cast
in the future. I also did officially start doing the
wrapped episodes, so oh, I don't know if anybody remembers,
but at the end of season one, we talked about
doing a very large episode where we cover episodes one
(29:09):
through nine on a high level way if we missed
anything or if we felt we didn't do or talk
about something enough. And so I started that journey last night.
That will continue out throughout season two in the background,
and when season two is wrapped, season two will have
its wrap show, and then season one will have its
(29:30):
wrapped show.
Speaker 1 (29:31):
Which is formed by season two. So there you go.
Speaker 3 (29:35):
Yeah, And that was the other thing too, when I
was watching some of the episodes from season one, not
some of the episode I mean I started at episode one.
I just picked one randomly, like a psycho. But you know,
at the end of season or excuse me, at the
end of episode one, when you're lost in the darkness,
the radio turns on and it's playing an eighty song.
(29:57):
And we did not realize what that was in reference
to when we recorded the podcast, because we do not
have a crystal ball into the future, that's right, But
now obviously it had everything to do with Frank and
Bill and what happened to them and now we can
link all of those things together, and it's I'm really
(30:18):
excited to take that journey to in the future.
Speaker 1 (30:20):
So yes, I know we're running maybe a little longer
than we thought. That's okay. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (30:27):
The one thing I want to touch on, and this
is just an open question to you, is we have
our wonderful returning cast, and we have what I consider
to be just a stacked list of incredible new people
joining this season. It's almost it almost seems like too
many people for just seven episodes. But is there any
(30:50):
like one or two standouts from this new cast that
you are like excited to see in this world?
Speaker 1 (30:59):
Oh? I there's I said one or two. I know
there's two.
Speaker 3 (31:05):
There's two, but one that I am the most excited for.
Should I give you my top choice or yeah, the
second to the top, and then the top like save
the best for last.
Speaker 1 (31:15):
What do you want? Oh my god, just give me
the top choice. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (31:21):
I want to know. I want the meat, and I
want the meat, and then you give me the potatoes.
Speaker 1 (31:25):
Okay, I mean my top choice is Joey Pants.
Speaker 4 (31:28):
Joey Pants, let's go.
Speaker 3 (31:34):
Yeah, Joey or Joe as he's credited, Pantoliano is a
fantastic actor. And when he was announced pretty late in
the in the cast announcements, actually, I got so excited
and I texted my cousin.
Speaker 1 (31:53):
I was like, Joey Pants is going to be on
the Last of Us season.
Speaker 3 (31:56):
Two and I had not talked about again, I completely
while was not talking about this show, and She's like, who.
Speaker 1 (32:02):
The fuck is Joey Pants?
Speaker 3 (32:04):
And then I was like, Joey pandlo and she was like, oh, yeah,
I know him. I love him, and I'm like, yeah,
he's great in everything. And I'm very excited because Joey
Jelley I'm talking about, like, I know Jelley Pants, but
he's playing a character named Eugene, and we do know
this character and we know I'd say, actually we know
of this character.
Speaker 1 (32:25):
We only know of this character. That's all.
Speaker 4 (32:27):
Yeah, yeah, that's kind of an interesting It's interesting that
it got someone so talented and such a recognizable name
in this role, is what I'll say.
Speaker 1 (32:40):
So, and that excites me. That very much excites me.
That's huge, that's huge.
Speaker 3 (32:45):
So he's my top choice. Okay, and then Jeffrey Wright
is my second.
Speaker 4 (32:49):
Top Jeffrey Wright an incredible actor. He's been in some
of my favorite things. Even if you just say tell
me all the things that Jeffrey Wright's been in on
eight that you like, I'm like, well, yeah, let me
tell you about this show called Westworld where he was incredible. Yeah,
he'll be reprising his role he was in the game.
(33:09):
I think that's safe to say. And they just tapped
him on the shoulder to reprise his role from the game,
which is not the first time that they've done this,
but it's amazing that they're doing it again.
Speaker 5 (33:21):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (33:21):
They did it with Marlene's character Merl Dangers, and she
was fantastic in season one, as we all have come
to see, so and and and and I guess third choice,
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (33:34):
I said one or two. I don't care. I don't care.
Speaker 3 (33:38):
Katherine O'Hara, Gosh, honestly, she should have been she should
have been two for me.
Speaker 1 (33:44):
Yeah, I'm gonna revise.
Speaker 3 (33:45):
So it's Joey pants, Jeffrey Wright or fuck joey pants.
Speaker 1 (33:50):
Katherine O'Hara and Jeffrey Wright got it. Here's what I'll
throw out there. Neither none of those were my answers.
Speaker 4 (33:56):
Luckily, the one that I'm interested in is she was added,
like very recently in a role that I don't recognize
from the game. It's Heady n Park, who we know
from Hannibal. She was one of the forensic doctors or
whatever in like season two or maybe three of Hannibal,
(34:17):
and I loved her in that show. I thought she
was fantastic, and so I'm just interested to see Whenever
they bring in a character and they're like who, I'm like,
who is this right, there's like they just give them
a name. I'm like, oh, this could be really cool.
I'm really excited. I just like, I just like her,
So that's very exciting. Obviously, I'm really excited for Joey
(34:38):
Pans and Catherine O'Hara too, like absolute powerhouse performers in
their own right.
Speaker 1 (34:44):
Oh yeah, in their own Jeffrey Wright and Isabella Emer
said her kid.
Speaker 4 (34:49):
I don't know if it's a hard see or a suck,
but she was in Alien Romulus, which we saw over
the summer, and she was She was awesome in that movie.
So very excited to see what she does here.
Speaker 1 (35:04):
It's awesome. That's it. It's great. There's a huge cast,
very exciting. There is a.
Speaker 3 (35:09):
Huge cast, and at the top of this new cast
member list, of course, is Kitlyn Deaver. And so I
saw Katelyn Deaver to the best of my knowledge, in
only one thing, and it was a series called Unbelievable
And I'm not going to talk about it in depth
because I don't want to list many trigger warnings, but
(35:30):
it was very impactful. She had an incredibly strong performance
on that show. I remember years ago when they had
announced the last of US TV show Kitlyn Deaver. It
was actually my first choice for Ellie, and there was
a lot of talk about her potentially playing Ellie.
Speaker 1 (35:51):
So it wasn't just like my fan casting.
Speaker 3 (35:54):
A lot of people felt that she would have embodied
that role beautifully. And now she is playing Abby and
we will see what Caitlin does with that particular character,
and that is what I will That's where I'll leave it.
Speaker 4 (36:11):
Yeah, So I know her from BookSmart, which was an
Olivia Wilde movie from maybe a few years ago, six
or seven maybe, and then more recently she was in
a horror film. I want to preface that by saying
your mile ledge may vary on that called No One
Will Save you, and she was absolutely incredible in No
(36:34):
One Will Save You. If you haven't seen that movie,
which based on box office reception, not many of you
did go see No One Will Save You. It just
kind of it didn't get the right marketing. It deserves
more eyeballs.
Speaker 3 (36:48):
You should watch it, Okay, Just to circle back to
Hetty and Park real quick. She played Beverly Cats on Hannibal,
which is a crime scene investigator. Yes, and fantastic, fantastic portrayal,
fantastic actress. She was one of my favorite characters on
the show. But yeah, I know we were a little
bit all over the place here, not as succinct or
as tight as I anticipated or wanted.
Speaker 1 (37:10):
And that's fine.
Speaker 3 (37:11):
We have even if we miss an episode for Wayfair
and the following week we're a little janky.
Speaker 1 (37:16):
It's just part of the podcasting life.
Speaker 3 (37:19):
But I thought it was important to break down why
there has been a long silence, but also the anticipation
slash expectation slash what we know for season two, which
is premiering shortly.
Speaker 4 (37:34):
Like this is releasing on the day that it is premiering,
like imminently. Yeah, so we wanted to get this out
here before just to get our hopes and feelings down
before before any possible corruption from watching the episode could happen.
Speaker 3 (37:53):
So sure, yeah, and then and then listen on Tuesday.
I'll be like, I'm done wrong about everything. It's a
small intimate character drama. Now, what happens? What Joey pans
can't connect at all? He's terrible, Chatherine O'Hara, No, yeah, yeah,
(38:15):
so yeah, we will be on this ride with you guys,
the ups and the downs and everything in between. But
thank you for uh yeah listening to the show. We'll
be back in your feed later in a few days,
literally in a few days with our breakdown of episode one,
future days for season two. In the meantime, if you
(38:38):
would like to follow us on Instagram, you can do
that at Teelu Podcasts or Blue Sky, which is a
little crickety. We don't do much over there, but if
you'd like to, you can at Teelu podcast If you
are going to watch our podcast episodes instead of just
listening to them on your mobile device or at home
(39:01):
on your computer or wherever you listen to your podcast,
you can just go over to YouTube and search Telu
Podcasts or the last cast or Wayfair and Strangers.
Speaker 4 (39:11):
It'll all lead you to US Yeah and Spotify listeners.
You also have the opportunity to watch the video versions
on Spotify. I will be uploading season one tonight and
matching them to their dates so they don't like just
appear as brand new episodes for you. So going forward,
every episode that releases on YouTube will have a simultaneous
Spotify release boom.
Speaker 3 (39:32):
See, We're just we're trying to We're trying to do
the thing and mentioned I believe twice throughout this show.
We do have a Last of Us podcast dedicated completely
to the games. It is called Wayfair and Strangers. We
finished covering the Last of Us Part one a couple
months ago. Then we are in our email catch up
(39:54):
from the last two to three years. I'm not kidding
at all, that's how far behind we got. And then
we will be continuing Left Behind, which is the downloadable
content for the game one, and then rolling right into
the Last of Us Part two, which is what season
two is covering. So if you're interested in that and
would like to follow along, even if you've never played
(40:15):
the game, you can come and hang out with us
every week over there.
Speaker 1 (40:19):
Just open your podcast.
Speaker 3 (40:21):
Player on Spotify or wherever you listen pocketcast, overcast all
the casts, and yeah, search up wayfair and strangers and
you'll get more of us.
Speaker 1 (40:30):
So it should be fun.
Speaker 3 (40:31):
Should be great if you would like to follow me
on the internet, so you can do that at either
Jaded Vader or through Wilderness thru like through Hiking Wilderness,
because yeah, Jaded Vader has been a little dormant for
a while because I needed to take a virtual photography break,
(40:51):
and we do that sometimes, we need mental health break sometimes.
And Andrew, where can everyone find you?
Speaker 4 (40:59):
Most places at dark Driving, like driving in the dark,
dark Driving, and on Blue Sky just search my name
Andrew Gormley. I got that sweet sweet domain verification, so
I'm just at Andrew Gormley dot com over there.
Speaker 3 (41:13):
Nice see and there you go. But thank you guys
for listening, for hanging out with us and imbibing the chaos,
because that's what it's going to be for the next
seven weeks. And we have a show to watch tonight,
so I guess we're just gonna get.
Speaker 1 (41:30):
On with that. Oh it's very exciting. I have the
butterflies of my belly.
Speaker 4 (41:35):
Everyone's texting, They're like, are you excited, And I'm like,
it's funny, not really not, I'm just it's like, you know,
are you excited for It's like a you know, I
have the curse of knowledge, and so you know what
I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (41:52):
It's like, I'm excited to.
Speaker 4 (41:53):
Watch this interpretation of this, but I am fully expecting
to potentially have my heartbroken into a thousand pieces or
something like that as well.
Speaker 1 (42:01):
So yep, excited. Our old show could have been that common. Yeah,
I'm looking forward to it, is what I'll say. But
I don't know if I would use the word excited. Perfect.
Speaker 3 (42:12):
Yes, yeah, let's go, let's go, let's let's fucking go.
And on that note, let's walk and go. So yeah,
that's it. That's the show. We'll talk to you guys
in a couple of days again.
Speaker 5 (42:25):
Bye bye, in in In
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I’m Jay Shetty host of On Purpose the worlds #1 Mental Health podcast and I’m so grateful you found us. I started this podcast 5 years ago to invite you into conversations and workshops that are designed to help make you happier, healthier and more healed. I believe that when you (yes you) feel seen, heard and understood you’re able to deal with relationship struggles, work challenges and life’s ups and downs with more ease and grace. I interview experts, celebrities, thought leaders and athletes so that we can grow our mindset, build better habits and uncover a side of them we’ve never seen before. New episodes every Monday and Friday. Your support means the world to me and I don’t take it for granted — click the follow button and leave a review to help us spread the love with On Purpose. I can’t wait for you to listen to your first or 500th episode!