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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Now it's time for the last word with Ali Velshi
and the anchor chair. Hey Ellie Ben, thank you. What
a week it's been. It has been, no doubt, lots
to talk about.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
And there'll be a lot more next week. So get
yourself some rest this weekend.
Speaker 1 (00:11):
With the end Monday, Thank you, I'll be watching you. Thanks,
have a good weekend.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
At the end of the show tonight, By the way,
Lawrence is going to be making an appearance.
Speaker 1 (00:18):
There is a story that he has wanted to do.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
All week, but it didn't make air because of all
the Trump Epstein breaking news. So Lawrence taped it after
the show yesterday and I'm going to have it at
the end of the show tonight. But we begin tonight
with Trump and Epstein breaking news. Today, Donald Trump made
sure the Epstein scandal isn't going anywhere by speaking with
reporters in the Trumpiest way possible. He's guaranteed that the
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scandal stays right where he doesn't want it to be,
front and center. Donald Trump was on his way to
Scotland to, among other things, open a new golf course
when he stopped to take some questions about Jeffrey Epstein's
co conspirator Gilane Maxwell, would you consider.
Speaker 3 (00:57):
A pardon or a commutation for Hughan Maxwell?
Speaker 4 (01:01):
Something I haven't thought about. It really is not recommended.
Speaker 5 (01:04):
It's something I'm allowed to do it, but it's something
I have not thought.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
But you would it out here are well?
Speaker 1 (01:12):
That wasn't a no.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
Donald Trump's comments came as the Deputy Attorney General Todd
Blanche met with Gilly Maxwell and her attorney for the
second time this week. The New York Times reports quote
mister Blanche has described his trip as a neutral fact
finding mission, saying you would share details of the discussion
at the appropriate time. Yet he's also declared that the
federal criminal investigation into targets beyond miss Maxwell and mister
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Epstein remains closed. By that standard, new interviews would appear
to serve a function beyond the purposes of traditional law enforcement,
unless new evidence of criminality has been discovered. Current and
former officials said the department offered Miss Maxwell conditional immunity
to discuss the case, but the protection did not apply
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if she lied in her interviews. According to an official
with knowledge of the situation, who requested anonymity to discuss
details of the case publicly. In total, The interview lasted
about eight to ten hours. A senior administration official has
confirmed to NBC News tonight that Gilaine Maxwell was granted
limited immunity by the Justice Department. The agreement allowed Gilaine
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Maxwell to answer questions from Todd Blanche and those responses
would not be used against her in any future cases.
Speaker 1 (02:23):
Or proceedings as long as she didn't lie.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
Elaine Maxwell's lawyer, David Marcus, told reporters that after the
meeting that his client answered every question. David Marcus said
that when asked about comments that Donald Trump made today
about Gilainne Maxwell.
Speaker 6 (02:39):
We haven't spoken to the President or anybody about a
pardon just yet. And you know, listen, the President this
morning said he had the power to do so.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
We hope he exercises that power.
Speaker 2 (02:53):
Last night, the Wall Street Journal's editorial board gave Donald
Trump some advice on quote how to end the Stein follies.
Speaker 1 (03:01):
The editorial board of the journal, which.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
Trump is suing, by the way, says that Attorney General
Pam Bondi an FBI Director Cash Pattel should explain the
Epstein case and a news conference quote if Miss Bondi
and mister Pttel are now telling the truth about the
contents of the Epstein files.
Speaker 1 (03:16):
Then what's needed are officials who will take.
Speaker 2 (03:18):
The responsibility and then take the heat for declining to
publish documents that could hurt victims and ruin reputations without
a criminal case. But perhaps miss Bondi and mister Bateell
could call a news conference, provide context on the mentions
of mister Trump and explain why releasing raw files could
do more harm than good. Bring FBI Deputy Director Dan
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Bongino if he'll show up, then they and mister Trump
could tell the public that the files didn't live up
to the hype, including theirs before they took office.
Speaker 1 (03:49):
The case is closed, and that's that.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
The problem is. With each passing day, this case seems
farther and farther from closed. Last night, both The New
York Times on the Wall Street Journal report of the
Donald Trump's name appeared on a contributor list for a
book celebrating Jeffrey Epstein's fiftieth birthday. The New York Times
also revealed another handwritten note to Jeffrey Epstein by Donald Trump.
Quote to Jeff you are the greatest, read an inscription
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in a copy of mister Trump's book, Trump The Art
of the Comeback, that belonged to mister Epstein. The message
reviewed by The Times is signed Donald and dated October
ninety seven, the month the book came out. So it's
hard to see how a press conference would end the
Epstein scandal when new details about Donald Trump's relationship with
Jeffrey Epstein seemed to emerge almost every day. Now, Donald
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Trump's comments about his power to pardon Gilaine Maxwell weren't.
Speaker 1 (04:40):
The only comments that he made today about the Epstein scandal.
Speaker 2 (04:44):
This is how Donald Trump replied to a question about
his contribution to Jeffrey Epstein's birthday.
Speaker 1 (04:49):
Book that was first reported in the Wall Street Journal.
Speaker 7 (04:54):
Did not write a letter Jeffrey Epstein's been I.
Speaker 5 (04:57):
Don't even know what they're talking about. Now, somebody I
have written a letter and used my name, but that's
happened a lot.
Speaker 1 (05:04):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
Now, just to be clear, NBC News has not confirmed
the existence of the birthday book. We haven't seen it.
The Wall Street Journal and the New York Times are
both reporting on it. But Trump's claim is that somebody
could have impersonated this letter to Epstein, and it doesn't
seem that Donald Trump's all that curious to uncover whomever
it was who apparently impersonated him without apparently his knowledge.
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I mean, if that's what he thinks, it seems like
Donald Trump more than anyone, would want to see the
birthday book and try to expose the impostor. But Donald
Trump claims he just doesn't have anything to do with
Jeffrey Epstein.
Speaker 5 (05:38):
You know, Jeffrey Epstein should be spoken about, and they
should speak about them, because they don't talk about them.
Speaker 8 (05:45):
They talk about me.
Speaker 5 (05:46):
I have nothing to.
Speaker 2 (05:47):
Do with the guy, nothing to do with the guy
who Donald Trump spent years attending social events with, the
man who called Donald Trump his closest friend for ten years,
Jeffrey Epstein.
Speaker 1 (05:58):
After landing in.
Speaker 2 (05:59):
Scotland, Donald Trump said this when asked about Donald Deputy
Attorney General Todd Blanche's meeting with Gilaine Maxwell.
Speaker 5 (06:07):
A lot of people are asking me about pardons. Obviously,
this is no time to be talking about pardons. But
a lot of people have asked about pardon. This is
just not a time to be talking about bardons. Todd
will come back with whatever he's got. You making a
very big thing over something that's not a big thing.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
If Pam Bondy were to take the Wall Street Journal's
advice and put on a press conference, she'll likely be
asked about her briefing with Donald Trump. The Wall Street
Journal and other news outlets reported this week that Pam
Bondy told Donald Trump that he's named in the Epstein files,
or she told him this in May, and this is
what Donald Trump said today about that. Even Glen no
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I was never bribed on So it's no surprise that
the Epstein scandal followed Trump to Scotland. The latest Fox
poll shows eighty percent of registered voters.
Speaker 1 (06:59):
Have been following the Epstein case.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
Of the people who've been following the case, only thirteen
percent believe the Trump administration has been open and transparent.
Epstein scandal will not be going away anytime soon. Flart
As Governor Ron DeSantis was dragged into the Epstein conversation
when his press conference was interrupted. South Park used the
premiere of its twenty seventh season to joke about Donald
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Trump's name being on the Epstein list, and today, a
women's advocacy group flew a banner reading Trump and Bondie
are protecting predators over the Tallahassee Federal courthouse where Todd
Blanche met with Gilain Maxwell. Epstein scandal isn't going anywhere,
and every time Donald Trump speaks, he just adds fuel
to the fire that he claims he wants.
Speaker 1 (07:43):
To put out.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
Joining us now is the Democratic Congressman Wesley Bell of Missouri.
He's a member of the House Oversight Committee. Also with
us MSNBC Legal correspondent Lisa Rubin.
Speaker 1 (07:53):
Good evening to both of you.
Speaker 2 (07:54):
Congressman Bell, talk to me about what you and your
fellow Democratic members of Congress are trying to right now
with respect to information about Jeffrey Epstein and whatever documents
may exist.
Speaker 4 (08:07):
It is not complicated. It is very straightforward transparency. And
six months and twenty two days ago, I was still
the elected DA in Saint Louis County and we dealt
with these kind of cases and sex trafficking and sex
traffic curves. We were not going to protect them, we
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were not going to hide information for their benefit. We
were going to be transparent, and that's what we think
this administration should be doing.
Speaker 2 (08:38):
Lisa, can you help us with these Todd Blanche conversations
with Gilaine Maxwell, because for most of us who are.
Speaker 1 (08:45):
Not lawyers, like you two, we understand no part of this.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
Why is the Deputy Attorney General meeting with a convicted criminal?
Speaker 1 (08:54):
What's the immunity that she got?
Speaker 2 (08:56):
And what does success look like in a conversation with
Gilaane Maxwell?
Speaker 9 (08:59):
Right now, let's start with the second question first, what
is I think you asked Ali, what the purpose of
granting her immunity here is? It's the purpose of granting
her immunity is so that she will feel free to
have conversations about what she witnessed and what she participated in.
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But usually where you grant conditional or use community to
someone like a Glenn Maxwell, it's understood that that person
is going to tell you about their own culpability for
the crimes. That's something that's endemic to any cooperation agreement,
for example, that prosecutors reach with someone who is both
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a perpetrator and a witness. So to the extent that
her lawyer, David Oscar Marcus said today that she provided
information about more than one hundred individuals, the real question
that I have is what did Glenn Maxwell tell Todd
Blanche about her own participation? I have read trial testimony
from Glenn Maxwell's trial. I have read scores of depositions
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from civil litigation involving her and Jeffrey Epstein. The victim's
accounts of what they went through at Glenn Maxwell's own hands,
not to mention Jeffrey Epstein's is vivid. And I want
to be really clear ali with you and our viewers.
Glenn Maxwell is said to have participated directly in the
sexual abuse of these victims. She was not just Jeffrey
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Epstein's co conspirator. She was not just a groomer or
a facilitator. She herself participated in sex acts that were
unwanted by these women. In terms of what success looks like,
that has me scratching my head as well, because Glenn
Maxwell was charged with three counts of perjury, on which
she was never tried. But where you're dealing with somebody
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that you never believed to be honest in the first place,
and by you, I mean the Department of Justice as
a whole. Again, I go back to the way that
you get to trust someone like that is if they
are honest with you about their own participation in cl
ability here, and based on statements that her lawyer has made,
it's far from clear to me that Glenn Maxwell accepts
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any responsibility for her participation in these horrific, monstrous acts.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
Congressman bell I spoke with Congressman Robert Garcia earlier this evening,
and one of his concerns here, putting aside the getting
that the access to Glenn Maxwell as Congress is looking
to subpoena her, is whether he actually trusts the Department
of Justice.
Speaker 1 (11:29):
I mean, this is unorthodox to say the.
Speaker 2 (11:30):
Least that Todd Blanche, a political appointee who happened to
be Donald Trump's personal attorney, would be going to conduct
this interview as opposed to a career professional from the
Department of Justice. But it would have been on our
orthodox anyway for this to happen. So everything about this
doesn't clear the air.
Speaker 4 (11:48):
Absolutely, there is no daylight between this Department of Justice
and Donald Trump. And so we're talking about a Essentially,
this is for an audience of one. She's already been
convicted of sex trafficking, she's already been convicted of perjury,
and so now they're looking for a pardon. And who
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does this testimony, Who does her testimony benefit? Obviously it's
going to be she's trying to benefit herself, but also
they're looking for a pardon, and the fact that the
President of the United States would even entertain the possibility
of pardoning a convicted sex trafficker is just beyond I
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can't even fathom this with any other person.
Speaker 2 (12:37):
Yeah, at least I think putting aside the legal part
of this, there's just some politics to this. There are
people who get pardoned, it's not usually convicted sex traffickers.
Speaker 9 (12:47):
No, And I can't think of somebody who's been pardoned
for a crime like this. I want to correct the
record in one respect. Glenn Maxwell was charged with perjury,
she was never convicted of it. But I want to
go back to the politics here and how unusual it
is to see someone like Todd Blanch conduct this interview.
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Not only because, as Congressman Bell said, there's no daylight
between this White House and this Department of Justice, but
it's unclear to me how familiar Todd Blanche is with
the record in this case. When you look back on
the identities of people who know the most about Jeffrey Epstein,
Glenn Maxwell and their crimes, none of them are named
Todd Blanch. In fact, one of them bears the name
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Maureen Comy. She was fired by the Department last week.
The other thing that I think is important to note
is that this Department of Justice, Donald Trump's Department of
Justice submitted a brief to the Supreme Court no more
no longer ago than July fourteenth. That was a brief
in which they opposed Glenn Maxwell's petition for circherai or
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review by the Supreme Court of her conviction, and the
Department of Justice very strenuously said, this conviction is just,
this conviction should be upheld, and the only basis on
which which Glenn Maxwell challenged that conviction was by saying,
when Jeffrey Epstein cut his deal with the Southern District
of Florida in two thousand and six seven eight, I
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should have been able to benefit from that because that
deal mentioned basically that they would never be able to
prosecute his co conspirators. I am one such co conspirator.
Therefore I shouldn't have been prosecuted. But they didn't challenge
at the Supreme Court at least the sufficiency of the evidence,
the fairness of the trial, or the conditions in which
she's being held at FCI Tallahassee. Those are all complaints.
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Her lawyer made today, but those are part of what
they are challenging at the Supreme Court currently, a challenge
that Donald Trump's own Department of Justice has said is
not righteous.
Speaker 2 (14:44):
Congressman, do you believe that Glenn Maxwell is going to
testify before Congress? And if so, once again, what does
success look like to you and your fellow members of
Congress in talking to her?
Speaker 4 (14:55):
And Lisa, thank you for correcting that that is correct.
These these were allegations with the said trafficking, but obviously
it does not look good and we know that sex
trafficking occurred, and success looks like transparency. The biggest issue,
and what I've seen in my short term as a
freshman member of Congress is the lack of trust in
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government is in general and whatever trust there was is
completely bottomed out, and folks have to Folks have to
believe that we're going to be honest with them, that
we're going to be transparent with them. And I agree
with Robert Garcia, our ranking member on Oversight, it's so
important that we let folks know exactly what is in
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these files to the best of our ability, and not
hide and protect the folks who you know, the folks
accused of sex trafficking, particularly when we know somebody like Epsin,
we know what was going on there for the at
least we know what was going on for years. But
the people we should be protecting are the innocent, the
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children that's should protect.
Speaker 2 (16:03):
Yes, and there's a valid argument and criticism out there
that this has all been focused in the wrong place.
If we're going to bring this whole case back up,
let's center the victims in it. Thanks to both of you,
Congressman Wesley Bell and my good friendly Sir Rubin, Thank
you coming up all week long in poll after poll,
on issue after issue.
Speaker 1 (16:23):
The news has just been all bad for Donald Trump.
Speaker 2 (16:25):
We'll discuss what it could mean for Republicans with the
campaign for midterm elections already underway.
Speaker 1 (16:29):
That's next.
Speaker 2 (16:37):
The poll numbers on Donald Trump's agenda and the economy
are abysmal.
Speaker 1 (16:41):
I'm not exaggerating here.
Speaker 2 (16:43):
Seventy percent of Americans I think Donald Trump is not
focusing enough on lowering prices, which he campaigned on. Sixty
two percent say Donald Trump's policies are making the price
of food and groceries go up. Sixty one percent say
Donald Trump is focusing too much on tariffs.
Speaker 1 (16:58):
Which sixty percent oppose.
Speaker 2 (17:01):
Even in the Fox poll this week, voters disapprove across
the board on Donald Trump's policies, including on the cuts
in the Republican budget bill, which forty eight percent.
Speaker 1 (17:11):
Say hurt their family rather than help.
Speaker 2 (17:14):
Sixty four percent disapprove of tax cuts for those with
a yearly income over six hundred and twenty five thousand
a year. Fifty three percent disapprove of stricter work requirements
to receive Medicaid. Sixty five percent disapprove of reducing funding
for food stamps, which I think should probably one hundred percent,
but whatever, it's not me. Donald Trump's job approving approval
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rating has slipped to thirty seven percent, according to Gallup.
That's quote the lowest of this term and just slightly
higher than his all time worst rating of thirty four percent,
which was at the end of his first term. Trump's
rating has fallen ten percentage points among US adults since
he began his second term in January, including a seventeen
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point decline among independents to twenty nine percent, match his
lowest rating with that group in either of his terms.
Speaker 1 (18:04):
There's even more bad.
Speaker 2 (18:06):
News for Donald Trump in swing states like Nevada, joining
us as Margaret Telloff, senior contributor at Axious and director
of Syracuse University's Institute for Democracy, Journalism, and Citizenship.
Speaker 1 (18:16):
Margaret, nice to see you. Thanks, Ally, good to be
with you. Let's talk a little bit about this. I
want to read from Axios in.
Speaker 2 (18:23):
Where we're talking about this focus group in which it's written.
A majority of Nevada swing voters in our latest Engageous
Sego focus groups who backed President Trump in November said
they now disapprove of his administration's actions.
Speaker 1 (18:35):
These swing voters'.
Speaker 2 (18:37):
Assessments of the administration were the most negative of any
of our monthly panels this year, besides March, when Michigan
voters recoiled against Trump's tariff threats and antagonism toward neighbor Canada.
Seven of the twelve participants said they disapprove of the
administration's overall actions since January. This is crucially important because
Donald Trump won on razor thin margins just the.
Speaker 1 (19:00):
Way politics goes in America.
Speaker 2 (19:02):
That those razor thin margins got him the electoral victories
that looked bigger, but the actual numbers were small.
Speaker 10 (19:11):
Yeah, and I'm going to throw in all the caveats
about a focus group just twelve people, so like, nobody's
betting the farm on twelve people. But when you listen
to these groups month after month, as we do, like
I notice a lot of patterns. And the way we're
defining swing voter for purposes of these focus group projects
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is these are people who voted for Joe Biden in
twenty twenty and then swung to Donald Trump in twenty
twenty four. And it's notable that in many of these groups,
and it's true in this one, most of them tend
to be independents, right, and none of them are Democrats.
So this group of twelve ten are independents too, are Republicans,
and voters like that tend to be change voters because
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they are dissatisfied with the status quo and they don't
often don't trust the power structure, and so they voted
for Donald Trump thinking that he was going to improve
the economy and that they were going to trust him
more than they trusted Joe Biden slash Kamala Harris. And
what we heard from these voters in these panels Tuesday
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night was what they're really upset about. The leading issue
is inflation. They are really upset that they thought the
grocery prices are going to be cheaper.
Speaker 11 (20:25):
Nothing feels cheaper.
Speaker 10 (20:27):
But also this big, beautiful bill. While they were intrigued
by a lot of the elements, they were like intrigued
with the idea that it would be harder for people
not to work and get benefits, or they were intrigued
by no taxes on tips that when it got down
to the nitty gritty, the more that they learned about
the cuts to Medicaid that will manifest, you know, in
a year after the midterms, they really don't like that.
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They said, they don't think no taxes on tips is
an accurate way to describe what will be reduced taxes
on some tips. And the case also factored quite a bit.
Twelve out of twelve knew who Jeffrey Epstein was. Eight
out of the twelve told us they felt like there
was some kind of an organized cover up to protect
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his clients. And of those eight, quite a few were
concerned that the president, on some level, they don't know
exactly what, maybe trying to shield himself from scrutiny as well.
So all you add those three things up, the inflation,
the big Beautiful Bill and Jeffrey Epstein. And you have
more than half of these people who swung toward Trump
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now saying they're not satisfied with what he and his
administration are doing.
Speaker 2 (21:36):
I'm curious because the last time Congress went on recess
and went home, all sorts of problems arose. The big
Beautiful Bill wasn't around yet, the jury was still out
on inflation, the Jeffrey Epstein story had not erupted. That
was all doge if you remember that was members of Congress, Like,
does that even come up anymore?
Speaker 1 (21:53):
Are we three news cycles out from that?
Speaker 12 (21:55):
Now?
Speaker 10 (21:56):
There was a lot of dose in previous focus groups,
not quite as much in this one. But I'll tell
you would look at like the results what we've been
talking about and think, wow, what a prime opportunity for Democrats.
And yet I've got to say, what we heard in
these focused groups was like nothing for Democrats to dine
out on. Would they if they could redo it, would
they vote for Kamala Harris instead of Donald Trump? Almost
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all of them said no, Ask how do you feel
about the Democratic Party? That overwhelmingly negative things to say?
They use words like corruption or you know that they're effeckless,
or they should get things done that they say they're
going to do, or they should move toward the middle.
So Democrats do have an opportunity if they focus on
inflation and the economy and healthcare and perhaps the epsteins issue.
Speaker 1 (22:41):
They do have an opportunity.
Speaker 10 (22:43):
To find some of these voters who thought they were
getting something with Trump that they don't feel like they're
getting now. But in order to get there, the Democrats
have an image makeover too.
Speaker 1 (22:52):
No great revelation. We know all of this, but it's
always helpful.
Speaker 2 (22:56):
I agree with you your caveat about focus groups, but
you could have caviats for polls too. The point is,
if you do it, if you look at poles and
you look at focus groups, and you're out there talking
to people, you as you said, you develop, you figure
out patterns, and that's the best we can do.
Speaker 1 (23:10):
Margat, nice to see you, Thank you for being with us.
Speaker 2 (23:12):
Margaret tellis a senior contributor at Axius and the director
of Syracuse University's Institute for Democracy, Journalism, and Citizenship.
Speaker 1 (23:18):
All Right, coming up.
Speaker 2 (23:19):
Trump tacoed today after being sued by Democratic attorneys general
on a very important issue that won't get a lot
of buzz, but it's already on the front pages of
local news in Pittsburgh and Austin and Minneapolis and all
over the country because it's going to affect many families
starting in the next few weeks. An attorney general who
forced Trump to chicken out joins US next.
Speaker 1 (23:42):
Breaking back to school news.
Speaker 2 (23:43):
Today, Donald Trump tacoed in his attempt to take money
from American school kids. After weeks of public pressure and
a federal lawsuit, the Trump administration will now release more
than five billion dollars in public school funding that it's
illegally been withholding since June. The Washington Poster sports quote
states expect the funding to be released July first, instead
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that a Education department notified State's June thirtieth it was
investigating whether any of the grant money had in the
past been used for a.
Speaker 1 (24:12):
Quote radical left wing agenda end quote.
Speaker 2 (24:16):
The freeze was being challenged in court by the DC
and Democratic state attorneys general to release the funds, which
support six grant programs related to English language learner programs,
teacher training, support for children of migrant workers, and academic
enrichment activities for some The effects of the lost funds
would have been severe, particularly in areas with many students
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who are learning English. In Marshalltown, Iowa, where a pork
plant draws migrant agricultural workers and immigrants from dozens of countries,
the school district was facing a devastating below. The impact
on parents and families would have been devastating as well.
The Associated Press reports the money being released Friday. It
pays for free programming before and after school and during
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the summer. The programs provide childcare so low income parents
can work, and they give options to families who live
in rural areas with few other childcare providers. Beyond just childcare,
kids receive reading and math help at the programs, along
with enrichment and sciences and the arts. Without the money,
school districts and nonprofits such as the YMCA and the
Boys and Girls Club of America have said they would
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have to close or scale back educational offerings this fall.
Speaker 1 (25:25):
That's want to be clear.
Speaker 2 (25:27):
These are federally appropriated funds already voted on and approved
by Congress and passed into law. This is not discretionary money.
They should never have been withheld in the first place.
Arizona Democratic Congressman Greg Stanton had this to say about
his state finally receiving its funding after our pressure campaign,
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Trump blinked and finally released more than one hundred million
dollars in funding that his administration was withholding from Arizona classrooms.
Not a moment too soon, as kids across the state
had back to school. This is a big win, but
it never should have been an issue in the first place.
Trump continues to play games with our kids' futures, and
we're not going to let it stand. Joining us now
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is the Colorado Attorney General, Democratic phil Democratic Attorney General
Phil Wiser. He joined the lawsuit against the Trump administration's
Department of Education. He's also running to be Colorado's next governor.
Attorney General. Good to see you again. Thank you for
being with us tonight.
Speaker 11 (26:22):
Always good to be with you.
Speaker 5 (26:23):
Ali.
Speaker 11 (26:24):
You did a great job explaining what's going on. It's
hard to believe we're dealing with this again.
Speaker 2 (26:28):
Yeah, and I'm going to ask you to lean into
it even more in terms of the explanation, because again
I want to be clear, this is law. This was
voted on by Congress, it was passed, it was money.
It's the same as withholding money from Ukraine that was
authorized by Congress, but the illegality aside. Did you get
what you needed out of the lawsuit or is there
still more that is the lawsuit still alive and is
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there still more that the federal government should.
Speaker 11 (26:51):
Be doing until the money that is guaranteed by law
is in the hands of the schools. We're not slowing down.
This is a overdue statement that the money's going out,
but again, the money has not been received. This administration
has shown they're not trustworthy, they are reckless, and they
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are lawless. What you said is exactly correct. This is
not like a remotely close call or a difference of opinion.
This is a mandate. Congress spends money. Congress has power
the purse. The President, by the constitutional requirement, faithfully executes
the laws. We shouldn't be having this conversation right This
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money already should be in the hands of the boys
and Girls clubs in Pueblo, Colorado, schools across Colorado. Instead,
they're scrambling right now, not knowing that the money is there.
Until they get the money, We're not letting up.
Speaker 2 (27:47):
They're excuse about it being radical left wing programs. That's
a matter for Congress if Congress wants to have a
proper regular order and discuss why they fund certain things
and why they don't find this is the same nose argument, right,
want to have this discussion, have it. Part of the
problem here is that they targeted programs the grants that
support English language learners, children of migrant workers, teacher training.
Speaker 1 (28:11):
After school, and Richmond.
Speaker 2 (28:13):
It ended up disproportionately targeting particular types of districts.
Speaker 11 (28:19):
For Colorado, let me get go back to this example.
Like you mentioned boys and Girls clubs in Pueblo, Colorado.
It is a community that has large number of Latinos.
It is a community that is dependent on this and
to withhold the money means you're hurting kids, You're hurting families.
These are people who depend on these programs. These are
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lives that are at stake. Other examples you mentioned academic
and Richmond. That means using technology in schools to help
people learn. A lot of schools are looking at artificial intelligence.
There's a great company in Colorado called Magic School developing
programs that help teachers teach. That sort of adoption of
new technology is funded by these grants. And if you
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don't get the money in time. You can't make these
investments in time. This is reckless. Students are hurting still
with lower learning loss from the pandemic. We should be
putting more money in public education, not making these rights.
Speaker 2 (29:13):
The return on that is fantastic this business. By the way,
I just want to ask you one quick question, because
the argument about radical left wing agenda. You guys are
attorneys general. Somebody has to prove that right like nobody.
There was no evidence brought There was nothing to do
with radical left wing agenda that was brought forward.
Speaker 11 (29:29):
This is what's so unbelievable about the moment we're in
in the.
Speaker 1 (29:34):
Court of law.
Speaker 11 (29:35):
You can't just make unhinged statements and use it as
a justification. And so what probably happened here is the
lawyers looked at this case and they said, we can't
justify this. We have no legs to stand on. You're
exactly right, there's no evidentiary basis to say this is
some radical left wing agenda. This is about learning. It's
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about learning English, it's about learning and history. It's about
helping people develop social skills. This is important work. They're
just making up stuff because I don't know they think
that education doesn't matter. It is mind numbing, both as
a policy matter, as a moral matter, and as a
legal matter. How did we get here?
Speaker 1 (30:17):
Tarny?
Speaker 2 (30:17):
General Phil Wiser of Colorado, Good to see you again.
Thank you for being with us tonight. We'll stay on
top of the story with you, all right. Coming up,
this week gave us another lesson on just how simple
it can be to fact check Donald Trump's lies, even
right to his face.
Speaker 1 (30:28):
We'll show you that moment next. Fact Checking Donald Trump
and his never ending list.
Speaker 2 (30:38):
Of lies and fantasies seems daunting sometimes, So this week
we got a lesson on just how simple it can be.
And in real time on live TV, watch FED chair
Jerome Powell. He's going to be on the right side
of the image on your screen dismantle Donald Trump's latest
made up reason to attack and possibly fire him, the
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ongoing renovation at the Federal Reserve.
Speaker 13 (31:02):
So we're taking a look and it looks like it's
about three point one billion, one up a little bit
or a lot. So the two point seven is now
three point one. Yeah, it just came out.
Speaker 1 (31:16):
Yeah, I haven't heard that from anybody to FED. It
just came.
Speaker 9 (31:24):
I know, about three point one.
Speaker 12 (31:26):
That's what.
Speaker 1 (31:28):
This game from us.
Speaker 13 (31:29):
Yes, I don't know who does that.
Speaker 1 (31:34):
You're including the Martin renovation. You just added retire capital.
You just you just added in the third buildings.
Speaker 2 (31:40):
What that is.
Speaker 1 (31:40):
That's a third building.
Speaker 13 (31:41):
It's a building that's being built.
Speaker 1 (31:44):
It's been it was built five years ago. We finished
Martin five years ago.
Speaker 9 (31:48):
As part of the overall.
Speaker 3 (31:50):
So you.
Speaker 1 (31:53):
Just added in a third building. Just the facts. Amazing
how effective that can be. That kind of fact.
Speaker 2 (31:58):
Fact checking could also be extended to Republicans, who often
follow their leader's tendency to bend the truth. Take Republican
Congressman Gabe Evans of Colorado. He was elected to Congress
in twenty twenty four after running a Maga Forward campaign.
Here's a short clip from one of his campaign ads
that ran in Colorado last year.
Speaker 3 (32:17):
I took an oath to protect the American dream that
my Abolito Chavez immigrated from Mexico to achieve. But that
dream is under attack from drugs, lawlessness, and violent crime.
Speaker 2 (32:30):
Gabe evans grandfather, or Abulito, became a central figure in
his campaign.
Speaker 1 (32:34):
Evans used his grandfather's.
Speaker 2 (32:36):
Immigration journey to justify his support of Donald Trump's deportation agenda.
Listen to Gabe Evans in a Republican debate from last year,
telling a story about his grandfather's immigration to America.
Speaker 3 (32:48):
The story of my family is the story of somebody
who earned two purple hearts to earn his citizenship. There's
folks that came to this country I legally, and so
if you're in this country illegally, we want you to
follow the law.
Speaker 11 (33:01):
We are a nation that.
Speaker 9 (33:02):
Is ruled by law. So you need to go.
Speaker 3 (33:04):
Stand in that line and do it the right way,
do it the legal way, so that you're not leap
frogging over those folks like my grandfather that did it
the right way and did.
Speaker 1 (33:11):
It the legal ways.
Speaker 2 (33:13):
Such a good story, not leap frogging over folks like
my grandfather who did it the right way and did
it legal way. Congressman Evans clearly didn't anticipate anybody fact
checking that story, because, as it turns out, there are
some pretty glaring holes in it, and reporter Chase Woodruff
found them. Here's some of his reports for Colorado News Line.
Congressman Evans has mischaracterized the story of how his Depression
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era ancestors achieved the American Dream and misstated key dates
and details in his grandfather's biography. A nineteen forty one
immigration Naturalization Service document obtained through a record's request with
the US Citizenship and Immigration Services shows that Evans's grandfather
entered the country unlawfully with his mother and siblings in
nineteen twenty nine at the age of five, and resided
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unlawfully in Texas for the inner meaning twelve years. The document,
known as an Alien Registration Form or an AR two,
was prepared shortly after Evans' grandfather, then sixteen years old,
was arrested for an immigration violation in El Passo and
made the subject of deportation proceedings. Evans's grandfather AR two
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form also lists a prior undated arrest for attempted burglary,
placing the sixteen year old in a category of immigrants
that Evans has said, without exception, should be deported.
Speaker 7 (34:32):
Now.
Speaker 2 (34:32):
That is some reporting joining us now is Chase Woodriff,
senior reporter at Colorado News Line.
Speaker 1 (34:37):
I mean, Chase, like every reporter needs to have a
session with you and just figure this out. Why'd you
even do that? Why did you go down that road?
Speaker 7 (34:48):
It was over a year ago. Now that I heard
first heard Representative Evans tell this story at a Republican
debate on last year, and I think the next day
I submitted a fourer request to Immigration Services. And it
took almost a year ticket this form, but that eventually
did come through.
Speaker 1 (35:05):
Just on a lark.
Speaker 2 (35:06):
I mean, you weren't looking for something in particular, You
were just being a reporter saying I hear the story.
My job to confirm whether what he's saying is true.
Speaker 7 (35:14):
I think, zen as you were reading there, I mean,
he has put this story to a very specific use
in defending justifying mass deportation policies.
Speaker 2 (35:24):
So you wouldn't you wouldn't necessarily be inclined if somebody
were just telling a story but it wasn't tied to
a policy, or particularly a policy that is that affects
a lot of people.
Speaker 7 (35:34):
Sure, I think, I mean the policy stakes here are
are very clear. I mean, Congressman Evans supports an approach
to immigration policy based on these documents we found, you know,
millions of people in the country unlawfully today. He believed
should be treated differently than his grandfather was, you know,
almost almost a century ago.
Speaker 2 (35:53):
In fact, if his policies were in place in nineteen
twenty nine, there wouldn't be a Congressman Evans here in
the United States.
Speaker 1 (36:00):
He'd be somewhere else. Possibly has he reacted to your reporting?
Speaker 7 (36:07):
Is he has not said much?
Speaker 4 (36:08):
He has?
Speaker 7 (36:10):
You know, he did not respond to interview requests for
our story, didn't really respond to most of our questions.
His team gave us some canned statements. They basically doubled
down on saying he did it the right way, which
may not have meant one hundred percent a legal way,
but was still you know, they still want to contrast
that with immigrants who are coming today, who they are
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saying or doing the doing it the wrong way. Whether
that is true is another question.
Speaker 1 (36:38):
I maybe this is not a question you're in a
position to answer.
Speaker 2 (36:40):
I was curious whether he was surprised to learn of
this stuff because maybe he's never seen that document. Maybe
he's just telling lore that has come down the line
in his story, which would be understandable.
Speaker 1 (36:51):
Because we don't really we don't really.
Speaker 2 (36:53):
Necessarily want to tell our kids or grandkids about the
time we got arrested or whether he was caught in
a lie.
Speaker 7 (37:00):
Yeah, I mean, that's at the top of the list
of questions we had for him that he didn't answer
is what he knew when, as you said, very possible
that are any of us who have grandparents great grandparents
who may have immigrated long ago. You know, I don't
think that we would have necessarily seen these specific forms
that we obtained through our wrucord's request. So it's very
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possible he if he wants to, you know, speak with
us or speak with anyone else to tell us about
his reaction to learning this potentially for the first time,
and given all of the things that he has said
about folks who are immigrating today and focusing on violent
criminal immigrants as he often does, to learning that his
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grandfather was accused of a crime, you know, I would
be interested in to know his reaction to that, Tay.
Speaker 1 (37:53):
I've been a reporter for thirty years.
Speaker 2 (37:54):
I learned some things tonight about how to just you know,
clean up my craft. So I appreciate that. Thank you
on behalf of all journalists for the work you did there.
Chase Woodruth Colorado Newsline senior reporter, And as I promised,
Lawrence is going to get Tonight's last word.
Speaker 1 (38:07):
That's next.
Speaker 12 (38:22):
House Republicans have been trying to destroy democratic mayors of
big cities and congressional hearings designed to attack and politically
humiliate democratic mayors. As we reported on this program at
the time. On ash Wednesday, Boston's Mayor Michelle Wu masterfully
crushed her Republican inquisitors.
Speaker 8 (38:45):
We are the cradle of democracy and the city of champions.
We are all of these things not in spite of
our immigrants, but because of them. False narrative is that
immigrants in general are criminals, or immigrants in general cause
also of danger and harm. That is, that is actually
what is undermining safety in our communities. If you wanted
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to make us safe, pass gun reforms, stop cutting medicaid,
stop cutting cancer research, stop cutting funds for veterans. That
is what will make our city safe.
Speaker 12 (39:18):
Boston voters noticed last week, in response to a poll,
Rachel Ryan told The Boston Globe she went down to
Washington and testified and did a phenomenal job. I was
very proud to say that I lived in Boston and
that new Boston Globe Suffolk University poll of Boston voters
shows Mayor Wu leading the field in her reelection campaign
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with sixty percent, with the fortunate son of the billionaire
owner of the local professional football team running second at
thirty points behind Mayor Wu. Sixty six percent of voters
say they have a favorable view of Mayor Wu, while
thirty six percent say they have a favorable view of
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Joshua Craft, the very well financed challenger who recently moved
to Boston to run from mayor on what appears to
be the mistaken calculation that unlimited amounts of money and
a family association with a football team that stopped calling
themselves the Boston Patriots fifty four years ago when they
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moved to a distant suburb would be enough to convince
voters to turn against their mayor, who is the daughter
of immigrants and a graduate of Harvard College and Harvard
Law School. She is also a mother of three with
children in the Boston public school system. The billionaire Craft
family might discover the hard way that the voters of
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Boston are the real Boston Patriots, and Lawrence Getsnit's last word.
Speaker 2 (40:48):
Tomorrow, I hope you'll join me for another meeting of
the Melchie Band Book Club. Tomorrow's meeting will focus on
the one hundred and thirty three bills introduced across the
country in an attempt to criminalize librarians, cut funding, and
restraint literary content just since January. Tomorrow, we'll discuss the
grass roots organization and the people who are fighting back.
Don't miss my conversation with the author, the activist, and
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the longtime member of the Velshi Bann Book Club, one
of America's most banned authors, George M. Johnson. That's tomorrow
morning on Velshie Today Am Eastern right here on MSNBC
Now it's time for the last word with Ali Velshi
and the anchor chair. Hey Ellie Ben, thank you. What
a week it's been. It has been, no doubt, lots
to talk about.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
And there'll be a lot more next week. So get
yourself some rest this weekend.
Speaker 1 (00:11):
With the end Monday, Thank you, I'll be watching you. Thanks,
have a good weekend.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
At the end of the show tonight, By the way,
Lawrence is going to be making an appearance.
Speaker 1 (00:18):
There is a story that he has wanted to do.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
All week, but it didn't make air because of all
the Trump Epstein breaking news. So Lawrence taped it after
the show yesterday and I'm going to have it at
the end of the show tonight. But we begin tonight
with Trump and Epstein breaking news. Today, Donald Trump made
sure the Epstein scandal isn't going anywhere by speaking with
reporters in the Trumpiest way possible. He's guaranteed that the
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scandal stays right where he doesn't want it to be,
front and center. Donald Trump was on his way to
Scotland to, among other things, open a new golf course
when he stopped to take some questions about Jeffrey Epstein's
co conspirator Gilane Maxwell, would you consider.
Speaker 3 (00:57):
A pardon or a commutation for Hughan Maxwell?
Speaker 4 (01:01):
Something I haven't thought about. It really is not recommended.
Speaker 5 (01:04):
It's something I'm allowed to do it, but it's something
I have not thought.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
But you would it out here are well?
Speaker 1 (01:12):
That wasn't a no.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
Donald Trump's comments came as the Deputy Attorney General Todd
Blanche met with Gilly Maxwell and her attorney for the
second time this week. The New York Times reports quote
mister Blanche has described his trip as a neutral fact
finding mission, saying you would share details of the discussion
at the appropriate time. Yet he's also declared that the
federal criminal investigation into targets beyond miss Maxwell and mister
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Epstein remains closed. By that standard, new interviews would appear
to serve a function beyond the purposes of traditional law enforcement,
unless new evidence of criminality has been discovered. Current and
former officials said the department offered Miss Maxwell conditional immunity
to discuss the case, but the protection did not apply
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if she lied in her interviews. According to an official
with knowledge of the situation, who requested anonymity to discuss
details of the case publicly. In total, The interview lasted
about eight to ten hours. A senior administration official has
confirmed to NBC News tonight that Gilaine Maxwell was granted
limited immunity by the Justice Department. The agreement allowed Gilaine
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Maxwell to answer questions from Todd Blanche and those responses
would not be used against her in any future cases.
Speaker 1 (02:23):
Or proceedings as long as she didn't lie.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
Elaine Maxwell's lawyer, David Marcus, told reporters that after the
meeting that his client answered every question. David Marcus said
that when asked about comments that Donald Trump made today
about Gilainne Maxwell.
Speaker 6 (02:39):
We haven't spoken to the President or anybody about a
pardon just yet. And you know, listen, the President this
morning said he had the power to do so.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
We hope he exercises that power.
Speaker 2 (02:53):
Last night, the Wall Street Journal's editorial board gave Donald
Trump some advice on quote how to end the Stein follies.
Speaker 1 (03:01):
The editorial board of the journal, which.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
Trump is suing, by the way, says that Attorney General
Pam Bondi an FBI Director Cash Pattel should explain the
Epstein case and a news conference quote if Miss Bondi
and mister Pttel are now telling the truth about the
contents of the Epstein files.
Speaker 1 (03:16):
Then what's needed are officials who will take.
Speaker 2 (03:18):
The responsibility and then take the heat for declining to
publish documents that could hurt victims and ruin reputations without
a criminal case. But perhaps miss Bondi and mister Bateell
could call a news conference, provide context on the mentions
of mister Trump and explain why releasing raw files could
do more harm than good. Bring FBI Deputy Director Dan
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Bongino if he'll show up, then they and mister Trump
could tell the public that the files didn't live up
to the hype, including theirs before they took office.
Speaker 1 (03:49):
The case is closed, and that's that.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
The problem is. With each passing day, this case seems
farther and farther from closed. Last night, both The New
York Times on the Wall Street Journal report of the
Donald Trump's name appeared on a contributor list for a
book celebrating Jeffrey Epstein's fiftieth birthday. The New York Times
also revealed another handwritten note to Jeffrey Epstein by Donald Trump.
Quote to Jeff you are the greatest, read an inscription
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in a copy of mister Trump's book, Trump The Art
of the Comeback, that belonged to mister Epstein. The message
reviewed by The Times is signed Donald and dated October
ninety seven, the month the book came out. So it's
hard to see how a press conference would end the
Epstein scandal when new details about Donald Trump's relationship with
Jeffrey Epstein seemed to emerge almost every day. Now, Donald
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Trump's comments about his power to pardon Gilaine Maxwell weren't.
Speaker 1 (04:40):
The only comments that he made today about the Epstein scandal.
Speaker 2 (04:44):
This is how Donald Trump replied to a question about
his contribution to Jeffrey Epstein's birthday.
Speaker 1 (04:49):
Book that was first reported in the Wall Street Journal.
Speaker 7 (04:54):
Did not write a letter Jeffrey Epstein's been I.
Speaker 5 (04:57):
Don't even know what they're talking about. Now, somebody I
have written a letter and used my name, but that's
happened a lot.
Speaker 1 (05:04):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
Now, just to be clear, NBC News has not confirmed
the existence of the birthday book. We haven't seen it.
The Wall Street Journal and the New York Times are
both reporting on it. But Trump's claim is that somebody
could have impersonated this letter to Epstein, and it doesn't
seem that Donald Trump's all that curious to uncover whomever
it was who apparently impersonated him without apparently his knowledge.
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I mean, if that's what he thinks, it seems like
Donald Trump more than anyone, would want to see the
birthday book and try to expose the impostor. But Donald
Trump claims he just doesn't have anything to do with
Jeffrey Epstein.
Speaker 5 (05:38):
You know, Jeffrey Epstein should be spoken about, and they
should speak about them, because they don't talk about them.
Speaker 8 (05:45):
They talk about me.
Speaker 5 (05:46):
I have nothing to.
Speaker 2 (05:47):
Do with the guy, nothing to do with the guy
who Donald Trump spent years attending social events with, the
man who called Donald Trump his closest friend for ten years,
Jeffrey Epstein.
Speaker 1 (05:58):
After landing in.
Speaker 2 (05:59):
Scotland, Donald Trump said this when asked about Donald Deputy
Attorney General Todd Blanche's meeting with Gilaine Maxwell.
Speaker 5 (06:07):
A lot of people are asking me about pardons. Obviously,
this is no time to be talking about pardons. But
a lot of people have asked about pardon. This is
just not a time to be talking about bardons. Todd
will come back with whatever he's got. You making a
very big thing over something that's not a big thing.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
If Pam Bondy were to take the Wall Street Journal's
advice and put on a press conference, she'll likely be
asked about her briefing with Donald Trump. The Wall Street
Journal and other news outlets reported this week that Pam
Bondy told Donald Trump that he's named in the Epstein files,
or she told him this in May, and this is
what Donald Trump said today about that. Even Glen no
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I was never bribed on So it's no surprise that
the Epstein scandal followed Trump to Scotland. The latest Fox
poll shows eighty percent of registered voters.
Speaker 1 (06:59):
Have been following the Epstein case.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
Of the people who've been following the case, only thirteen
percent believe the Trump administration has been open and transparent.
Epstein scandal will not be going away anytime soon. Flart
As Governor Ron DeSantis was dragged into the Epstein conversation
when his press conference was interrupted. South Park used the
premiere of its twenty seventh season to joke about Donald
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Trump's name being on the Epstein list, and today, a
women's advocacy group flew a banner reading Trump and Bondie
are protecting predators over the Tallahassee Federal courthouse where Todd
Blanche met with Gilain Maxwell. Epstein scandal isn't going anywhere,
and every time Donald Trump speaks, he just adds fuel
to the fire that he claims he wants.
Speaker 1 (07:43):
To put out.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
Joining us now is the Democratic Congressman Wesley Bell of Missouri.
He's a member of the House Oversight Committee. Also with
us MSNBC Legal correspondent Lisa Rubin.
Speaker 1 (07:53):
Good evening to both of you.
Speaker 2 (07:54):
Congressman Bell, talk to me about what you and your
fellow Democratic members of Congress are trying to right now
with respect to information about Jeffrey Epstein and whatever documents
may exist.
Speaker 4 (08:07):
It is not complicated. It is very straightforward transparency. And
six months and twenty two days ago, I was still
the elected DA in Saint Louis County and we dealt
with these kind of cases and sex trafficking and sex
traffic curves. We were not going to protect them, we
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were not going to hide information for their benefit. We
were going to be transparent, and that's what we think
this administration should be doing.
Speaker 2 (08:38):
Lisa, can you help us with these Todd Blanche conversations
with Gilaine Maxwell, because for most of us who are.
Speaker 1 (08:45):
Not lawyers, like you two, we understand no part of this.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
Why is the Deputy Attorney General meeting with a convicted criminal?
Speaker 1 (08:54):
What's the immunity that she got?
Speaker 2 (08:56):
And what does success look like in a conversation with
Gilaane Maxwell?
Speaker 9 (08:59):
Right now, let's start with the second question first, what
is I think you asked Ali, what the purpose of
granting her immunity here is? It's the purpose of granting
her immunity is so that she will feel free to
have conversations about what she witnessed and what she participated in.
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But usually where you grant conditional or use community to
someone like a Glenn Maxwell, it's understood that that person
is going to tell you about their own culpability for
the crimes. That's something that's endemic to any cooperation agreement,
for example, that prosecutors reach with someone who is both
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a perpetrator and a witness. So to the extent that
her lawyer, David Oscar Marcus said today that she provided
information about more than one hundred individuals, the real question
that I have is what did Glenn Maxwell tell Todd
Blanche about her own participation? I have read trial testimony
from Glenn Maxwell's trial. I have read scores of depositions
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from civil litigation involving her and Jeffrey Epstein. The victim's
accounts of what they went through at Glenn Maxwell's own hands,
not to mention Jeffrey Epstein's is vivid. And I want
to be really clear ali with you and our viewers.
Glenn Maxwell is said to have participated directly in the
sexual abuse of these victims. She was not just Jeffrey
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Epstein's co conspirator. She was not just a groomer or
a facilitator. She herself participated in sex acts that were
unwanted by these women. In terms of what success looks like,
that has me scratching my head as well, because Glenn
Maxwell was charged with three counts of perjury, on which
she was never tried. But where you're dealing with somebody
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that you never believed to be honest in the first place,
and by you, I mean the Department of Justice as
a whole. Again, I go back to the way that
you get to trust someone like that is if they
are honest with you about their own participation in cl
ability here, and based on statements that her lawyer has made,
it's far from clear to me that Glenn Maxwell accepts
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any responsibility for her participation in these horrific, monstrous acts.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
Congressman bell I spoke with Congressman Robert Garcia earlier this evening,
and one of his concerns here, putting aside the getting
that the access to Glenn Maxwell as Congress is looking
to subpoena her, is whether he actually trusts the Department
of Justice.
Speaker 1 (11:29):
I mean, this is unorthodox to say the.
Speaker 2 (11:30):
Least that Todd Blanche, a political appointee who happened to
be Donald Trump's personal attorney, would be going to conduct
this interview as opposed to a career professional from the
Department of Justice. But it would have been on our
orthodox anyway for this to happen. So everything about this
doesn't clear the air.
Speaker 4 (11:48):
Absolutely, there is no daylight between this Department of Justice
and Donald Trump. And so we're talking about a Essentially,
this is for an audience of one. She's already been
convicted of sex trafficking, she's already been convicted of perjury,
and so now they're looking for a pardon. And who
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does this testimony, Who does her testimony benefit? Obviously it's
going to be she's trying to benefit herself, but also
they're looking for a pardon, and the fact that the
President of the United States would even entertain the possibility
of pardoning a convicted sex trafficker is just beyond I
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can't even fathom this with any other person.
Speaker 2 (12:37):
Yeah, at least I think putting aside the legal part
of this, there's just some politics to this. There are
people who get pardoned, it's not usually convicted sex traffickers.
Speaker 9 (12:47):
No, And I can't think of somebody who's been pardoned
for a crime like this. I want to correct the
record in one respect. Glenn Maxwell was charged with perjury,
she was never convicted of it. But I want to
go back to the politics here and how unusual it
is to see someone like Todd Blanch conduct this interview.
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Not only because, as Congressman Bell said, there's no daylight
between this White House and this Department of Justice, but
it's unclear to me how familiar Todd Blanche is with
the record in this case. When you look back on
the identities of people who know the most about Jeffrey Epstein,
Glenn Maxwell and their crimes, none of them are named
Todd Blanch. In fact, one of them bears the name
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Maureen Comy. She was fired by the Department last week.
The other thing that I think is important to note
is that this Department of Justice, Donald Trump's Department of
Justice submitted a brief to the Supreme Court no more
no longer ago than July fourteenth. That was a brief
in which they opposed Glenn Maxwell's petition for circherai or
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review by the Supreme Court of her conviction, and the
Department of Justice very strenuously said, this conviction is just,
this conviction should be upheld, and the only basis on
which which Glenn Maxwell challenged that conviction was by saying,
when Jeffrey Epstein cut his deal with the Southern District
of Florida in two thousand and six seven eight, I
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should have been able to benefit from that because that
deal mentioned basically that they would never be able to
prosecute his co conspirators. I am one such co conspirator.
Therefore I shouldn't have been prosecuted. But they didn't challenge
at the Supreme Court at least the sufficiency of the evidence,
the fairness of the trial, or the conditions in which
she's being held at FCI Tallahassee. Those are all complaints.
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Her lawyer made today, but those are part of what
they are challenging at the Supreme Court currently, a challenge
that Donald Trump's own Department of Justice has said is
not righteous.
Speaker 2 (14:44):
Congressman, do you believe that Glenn Maxwell is going to
testify before Congress? And if so, once again, what does
success look like to you and your fellow members of
Congress in talking to her?
Speaker 4 (14:55):
And Lisa, thank you for correcting that that is correct.
These these were allegations with the said trafficking, but obviously
it does not look good and we know that sex
trafficking occurred, and success looks like transparency. The biggest issue,
and what I've seen in my short term as a
freshman member of Congress is the lack of trust in
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government is in general and whatever trust there was is
completely bottomed out, and folks have to Folks have to
believe that we're going to be honest with them, that
we're going to be transparent with them. And I agree
with Robert Garcia, our ranking member on Oversight, it's so
important that we let folks know exactly what is in
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these files to the best of our ability, and not
hide and protect the folks who you know, the folks
accused of sex trafficking, particularly when we know somebody like Epsin,
we know what was going on there for the at
least we know what was going on for years. But
the people we should be protecting are the innocent, the
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children that's should protect.
Speaker 2 (16:03):
Yes, and there's a valid argument and criticism out there
that this has all been focused in the wrong place.
If we're going to bring this whole case back up,
let's center the victims in it. Thanks to both of you,
Congressman Wesley Bell and my good friendly Sir Rubin, Thank
you coming up all week long in poll after poll,
on issue after issue.
Speaker 1 (16:23):
The news has just been all bad for Donald Trump.
Speaker 2 (16:25):
We'll discuss what it could mean for Republicans with the
campaign for midterm elections already underway.
Speaker 1 (16:29):
That's next.
Speaker 2 (16:37):
The poll numbers on Donald Trump's agenda and the economy
are abysmal.
Speaker 1 (16:41):
I'm not exaggerating here.
Speaker 2 (16:43):
Seventy percent of Americans I think Donald Trump is not
focusing enough on lowering prices, which he campaigned on. Sixty
two percent say Donald Trump's policies are making the price
of food and groceries go up. Sixty one percent say
Donald Trump is focusing too much on tariffs.
Speaker 1 (16:58):
Which sixty percent oppose.
Speaker 2 (17:01):
Even in the Fox poll this week, voters disapprove across
the board on Donald Trump's policies, including on the cuts
in the Republican budget bill, which forty eight percent.
Speaker 1 (17:11):
Say hurt their family rather than help.
Speaker 2 (17:14):
Sixty four percent disapprove of tax cuts for those with
a yearly income over six hundred and twenty five thousand
a year. Fifty three percent disapprove of stricter work requirements
to receive Medicaid. Sixty five percent disapprove of reducing funding
for food stamps, which I think should probably one hundred percent,
but whatever, it's not me. Donald Trump's job approving approval
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rating has slipped to thirty seven percent, according to Gallup.
That's quote the lowest of this term and just slightly
higher than his all time worst rating of thirty four percent,
which was at the end of his first term. Trump's
rating has fallen ten percentage points among US adults since
he began his second term in January, including a seventeen
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point decline among independents to twenty nine percent, match his
lowest rating with that group in either of his terms.
Speaker 1 (18:04):
There's even more bad.
Speaker 2 (18:06):
News for Donald Trump in swing states like Nevada, joining
us as Margaret Telloff, senior contributor at Axious and director
of Syracuse University's Institute for Democracy, Journalism, and Citizenship.
Speaker 1 (18:16):
Margaret, nice to see you. Thanks, Ally, good to be
with you. Let's talk a little bit about this. I
want to read from Axios in.
Speaker 2 (18:23):
Where we're talking about this focus group in which it's written.
A majority of Nevada swing voters in our latest Engageous
Sego focus groups who backed President Trump in November said
they now disapprove of his administration's actions.
Speaker 1 (18:35):
These swing voters'.
Speaker 2 (18:37):
Assessments of the administration were the most negative of any
of our monthly panels this year, besides March, when Michigan
voters recoiled against Trump's tariff threats and antagonism toward neighbor Canada.
Seven of the twelve participants said they disapprove of the
administration's overall actions since January. This is crucially important because
Donald Trump won on razor thin margins just the.
Speaker 1 (19:00):
Way politics goes in America.
Speaker 2 (19:02):
That those razor thin margins got him the electoral victories
that looked bigger, but the actual numbers were small.
Speaker 10 (19:11):
Yeah, and I'm going to throw in all the caveats
about a focus group just twelve people, so like, nobody's
betting the farm on twelve people. But when you listen
to these groups month after month, as we do, like
I notice a lot of patterns. And the way we're
defining swing voter for purposes of these focus group projects
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is these are people who voted for Joe Biden in
twenty twenty and then swung to Donald Trump in twenty
twenty four. And it's notable that in many of these groups,
and it's true in this one, most of them tend
to be independents, right, and none of them are Democrats.
So this group of twelve ten are independents too, are Republicans,
and voters like that tend to be change voters because
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they are dissatisfied with the status quo and they don't
often don't trust the power structure, and so they voted
for Donald Trump thinking that he was going to improve
the economy and that they were going to trust him
more than they trusted Joe Biden slash Kamala Harris. And
what we heard from these voters in these panels Tuesday
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night was what they're really upset about. The leading issue
is inflation. They are really upset that they thought the
grocery prices are going to be cheaper.
Speaker 11 (20:25):
Nothing feels cheaper.
Speaker 10 (20:27):
But also this big, beautiful bill. While they were intrigued
by a lot of the elements, they were like intrigued
with the idea that it would be harder for people
not to work and get benefits, or they were intrigued
by no taxes on tips that when it got down
to the nitty gritty, the more that they learned about
the cuts to Medicaid that will manifest, you know, in
a year after the midterms, they really don't like that.
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They said, they don't think no taxes on tips is
an accurate way to describe what will be reduced taxes
on some tips. And the case also factored quite a bit.
Twelve out of twelve knew who Jeffrey Epstein was. Eight
out of the twelve told us they felt like there
was some kind of an organized cover up to protect
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his clients. And of those eight, quite a few were
concerned that the president, on some level, they don't know
exactly what, maybe trying to shield himself from scrutiny as well.
So all you add those three things up, the inflation,
the big Beautiful Bill and Jeffrey Epstein. And you have
more than half of these people who swung toward Trump
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now saying they're not satisfied with what he and his
administration are doing.
Speaker 2 (21:36):
I'm curious because the last time Congress went on recess
and went home, all sorts of problems arose. The big
Beautiful Bill wasn't around yet, the jury was still out
on inflation, the Jeffrey Epstein story had not erupted. That
was all doge if you remember that was members of Congress, Like,
does that even come up anymore?
Speaker 1 (21:53):
Are we three news cycles out from that?
Speaker 12 (21:55):
Now?
Speaker 10 (21:56):
There was a lot of dose in previous focus groups,
not quite as much in this one. But I'll tell
you would look at like the results what we've been
talking about and think, wow, what a prime opportunity for Democrats.
And yet I've got to say, what we heard in
these focused groups was like nothing for Democrats to dine
out on. Would they if they could redo it, would
they vote for Kamala Harris instead of Donald Trump? Almost
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all of them said no, Ask how do you feel
about the Democratic Party? That overwhelmingly negative things to say?
They use words like corruption or you know that they're effeckless,
or they should get things done that they say they're
going to do, or they should move toward the middle.
So Democrats do have an opportunity if they focus on
inflation and the economy and healthcare and perhaps the epsteins issue.
Speaker 1 (22:41):
They do have an opportunity.
Speaker 10 (22:43):
To find some of these voters who thought they were
getting something with Trump that they don't feel like they're
getting now. But in order to get there, the Democrats
have an image makeover too.
Speaker 1 (22:52):
No great revelation. We know all of this, but it's
always helpful.
Speaker 2 (22:56):
I agree with you your caveat about focus groups, but
you could have caviats for polls too. The point is,
if you do it, if you look at poles and
you look at focus groups, and you're out there talking
to people, you as you said, you develop, you figure
out patterns, and that's the best we can do.
Speaker 1 (23:10):
Margat, nice to see you, Thank you for being with us.
Speaker 2 (23:12):
Margaret tellis a senior contributor at Axius and the director
of Syracuse University's Institute for Democracy, Journalism, and Citizenship.
Speaker 1 (23:18):
All Right, coming up.
Speaker 2 (23:19):
Trump tacoed today after being sued by Democratic attorneys general
on a very important issue that won't get a lot
of buzz, but it's already on the front pages of
local news in Pittsburgh and Austin and Minneapolis and all
over the country because it's going to affect many families
starting in the next few weeks. An attorney general who
forced Trump to chicken out joins US next.
Speaker 1 (23:42):
Breaking back to school news.
Speaker 2 (23:43):
Today, Donald Trump tacoed in his attempt to take money
from American school kids. After weeks of public pressure and
a federal lawsuit, the Trump administration will now release more
than five billion dollars in public school funding that it's
illegally been withholding since June. The Washington Poster sports quote
states expect the funding to be released July first, instead
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that a Education department notified State's June thirtieth it was
investigating whether any of the grant money had in the
past been used for a.
Speaker 1 (24:12):
Quote radical left wing agenda end quote.
Speaker 2 (24:16):
The freeze was being challenged in court by the DC
and Democratic state attorneys general to release the funds, which
support six grant programs related to English language learner programs,
teacher training, support for children of migrant workers, and academic
enrichment activities for some The effects of the lost funds
would have been severe, particularly in areas with many students
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who are learning English. In Marshalltown, Iowa, where a pork
plant draws migrant agricultural workers and immigrants from dozens of countries,
the school district was facing a devastating below. The impact
on parents and families would have been devastating as well.
The Associated Press reports the money being released Friday. It
pays for free programming before and after school and during
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the summer. The programs provide childcare so low income parents
can work, and they give options to families who live
in rural areas with few other childcare providers. Beyond just childcare,
kids receive reading and math help at the programs, along
with enrichment and sciences and the arts. Without the money,
school districts and nonprofits such as the YMCA and the
Boys and Girls Club of America have said they would
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have to close or scale back educational offerings this fall.
Speaker 1 (25:25):
That's want to be clear.
Speaker 2 (25:27):
These are federally appropriated funds already voted on and approved
by Congress and passed into law. This is not discretionary money.
They should never have been withheld in the first place.
Arizona Democratic Congressman Greg Stanton had this to say about
his state finally receiving its funding after our pressure campaign,
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Trump blinked and finally released more than one hundred million
dollars in funding that his administration was withholding from Arizona classrooms.
Not a moment too soon, as kids across the state
had back to school. This is a big win, but
it never should have been an issue in the first place.
Trump continues to play games with our kids' futures, and
we're not going to let it stand. Joining us now
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is the Colorado Attorney General, Democratic phil Democratic Attorney General
Phil Wiser. He joined the lawsuit against the Trump administration's
Department of Education. He's also running to be Colorado's next governor.
Attorney General. Good to see you again. Thank you for
being with us tonight.
Speaker 11 (26:22):
Always good to be with you.
Speaker 5 (26:23):
Ali.
Speaker 11 (26:24):
You did a great job explaining what's going on. It's
hard to believe we're dealing with this again.
Speaker 2 (26:28):
Yeah, and I'm going to ask you to lean into
it even more in terms of the explanation, because again
I want to be clear, this is law. This was
voted on by Congress, it was passed, it was money.
It's the same as withholding money from Ukraine that was
authorized by Congress, but the illegality aside. Did you get
what you needed out of the lawsuit or is there
still more that is the lawsuit still alive and is
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there still more that the federal government should.
Speaker 11 (26:51):
Be doing until the money that is guaranteed by law
is in the hands of the schools. We're not slowing down.
This is a overdue statement that the money's going out,
but again, the money has not been received. This administration
has shown they're not trustworthy, they are reckless, and they
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are lawless. What you said is exactly correct. This is
not like a remotely close call or a difference of opinion.
This is a mandate. Congress spends money. Congress has power
the purse. The President, by the constitutional requirement, faithfully executes
the laws. We shouldn't be having this conversation right This
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money already should be in the hands of the boys
and Girls clubs in Pueblo, Colorado, schools across Colorado. Instead,
they're scrambling right now, not knowing that the money is there.
Until they get the money, We're not letting up.
Speaker 2 (27:47):
They're excuse about it being radical left wing programs. That's
a matter for Congress if Congress wants to have a
proper regular order and discuss why they fund certain things
and why they don't find this is the same nose argument, right,
want to have this discussion, have it. Part of the
problem here is that they targeted programs the grants that
support English language learners, children of migrant workers, teacher training.
Speaker 1 (28:11):
After school, and Richmond.
Speaker 2 (28:13):
It ended up disproportionately targeting particular types of districts.
Speaker 11 (28:19):
For Colorado, let me get go back to this example.
Like you mentioned boys and Girls clubs in Pueblo, Colorado.
It is a community that has large number of Latinos.
It is a community that is dependent on this and
to withhold the money means you're hurting kids, You're hurting families.
These are people who depend on these programs. These are
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lives that are at stake. Other examples you mentioned academic
and Richmond. That means using technology in schools to help
people learn. A lot of schools are looking at artificial intelligence.
There's a great company in Colorado called Magic School developing
programs that help teachers teach. That sort of adoption of
new technology is funded by these grants. And if you
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don't get the money in time. You can't make these
investments in time. This is reckless. Students are hurting still
with lower learning loss from the pandemic. We should be
putting more money in public education, not making these rights.
Speaker 2 (29:13):
The return on that is fantastic this business. By the way,
I just want to ask you one quick question, because
the argument about radical left wing agenda. You guys are
attorneys general. Somebody has to prove that right like nobody.
There was no evidence brought There was nothing to do
with radical left wing agenda that was brought forward.
Speaker 11 (29:29):
This is what's so unbelievable about the moment we're in
in the.
Speaker 1 (29:34):
Court of law.
Speaker 11 (29:35):
You can't just make unhinged statements and use it as
a justification. And so what probably happened here is the
lawyers looked at this case and they said, we can't
justify this. We have no legs to stand on. You're
exactly right, there's no evidentiary basis to say this is
some radical left wing agenda. This is about learning. It's
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about learning English, it's about learning and history. It's about
helping people develop social skills. This is important work. They're
just making up stuff because I don't know they think
that education doesn't matter. It is mind numbing, both as
a policy matter, as a moral matter, and as a
legal matter. How did we get here?
Speaker 1 (30:17):
Tarny?
Speaker 2 (30:17):
General Phil Wiser of Colorado, Good to see you again.
Thank you for being with us tonight. We'll stay on
top of the story with you, all right. Coming up,
this week gave us another lesson on just how simple
it can be to fact check Donald Trump's lies, even
right to his face.
Speaker 1 (30:28):
We'll show you that moment next. Fact Checking Donald Trump
and his never ending list.
Speaker 2 (30:38):
Of lies and fantasies seems daunting sometimes, So this week
we got a lesson on just how simple it can be.
And in real time on live TV, watch FED chair
Jerome Powell. He's going to be on the right side
of the image on your screen dismantle Donald Trump's latest
made up reason to attack and possibly fire him, the
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ongoing renovation at the Federal Reserve.
Speaker 13 (31:02):
So we're taking a look and it looks like it's
about three point one billion, one up a little bit
or a lot. So the two point seven is now
three point one. Yeah, it just came out.
Speaker 1 (31:16):
Yeah, I haven't heard that from anybody to FED. It
just came.
Speaker 9 (31:24):
I know, about three point one.
Speaker 12 (31:26):
That's what.
Speaker 1 (31:28):
This game from us.
Speaker 13 (31:29):
Yes, I don't know who does that.
Speaker 1 (31:34):
You're including the Martin renovation. You just added retire capital.
You just you just added in the third buildings.
Speaker 2 (31:40):
What that is.
Speaker 1 (31:40):
That's a third building.
Speaker 13 (31:41):
It's a building that's being built.
Speaker 1 (31:44):
It's been it was built five years ago. We finished
Martin five years ago.
Speaker 9 (31:48):
As part of the overall.
Speaker 3 (31:50):
So you.
Speaker 1 (31:53):
Just added in a third building. Just the facts. Amazing
how effective that can be. That kind of fact.
Speaker 2 (31:58):
Fact checking could also be extended to Republicans, who often
follow their leader's tendency to bend the truth. Take Republican
Congressman Gabe Evans of Colorado. He was elected to Congress
in twenty twenty four after running a Maga Forward campaign.
Here's a short clip from one of his campaign ads
that ran in Colorado last year.
Speaker 3 (32:17):
I took an oath to protect the American dream that
my Abolito Chavez immigrated from Mexico to achieve. But that
dream is under attack from drugs, lawlessness, and violent crime.
Speaker 2 (32:30):
Gabe evans grandfather, or Abulito, became a central figure in
his campaign.
Speaker 1 (32:34):
Evans used his grandfather's.
Speaker 2 (32:36):
Immigration journey to justify his support of Donald Trump's deportation agenda.
Listen to Gabe Evans in a Republican debate from last year,
telling a story about his grandfather's immigration to America.
Speaker 3 (32:48):
The story of my family is the story of somebody
who earned two purple hearts to earn his citizenship. There's
folks that came to this country I legally, and so
if you're in this country illegally, we want you to
follow the law.
Speaker 11 (33:01):
We are a nation that.
Speaker 9 (33:02):
Is ruled by law. So you need to go.
Speaker 3 (33:04):
Stand in that line and do it the right way,
do it the legal way, so that you're not leap
frogging over those folks like my grandfather that did it
the right way and did.
Speaker 1 (33:11):
It the legal ways.
Speaker 2 (33:13):
Such a good story, not leap frogging over folks like
my grandfather who did it the right way and did
it legal way. Congressman Evans clearly didn't anticipate anybody fact
checking that story, because, as it turns out, there are
some pretty glaring holes in it, and reporter Chase Woodruff
found them. Here's some of his reports for Colorado News Line.
Congressman Evans has mischaracterized the story of how his Depression
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era ancestors achieved the American Dream and misstated key dates
and details in his grandfather's biography. A nineteen forty one
immigration Naturalization Service document obtained through a record's request with
the US Citizenship and Immigration Services shows that Evans's grandfather
entered the country unlawfully with his mother and siblings in
nineteen twenty nine at the age of five, and resided
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unlawfully in Texas for the inner meaning twelve years. The document,
known as an Alien Registration Form or an AR two,
was prepared shortly after Evans' grandfather, then sixteen years old,
was arrested for an immigration violation in El Passo and
made the subject of deportation proceedings. Evans's grandfather AR two
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form also lists a prior undated arrest for attempted burglary,
placing the sixteen year old in a category of immigrants
that Evans has said, without exception, should be deported.
Speaker 7 (34:32):
Now.
Speaker 2 (34:32):
That is some reporting joining us now is Chase Woodriff,
senior reporter at Colorado News Line.
Speaker 1 (34:37):
I mean, Chase, like every reporter needs to have a
session with you and just figure this out. Why'd you
even do that? Why did you go down that road?
Speaker 7 (34:48):
It was over a year ago. Now that I heard
first heard Representative Evans tell this story at a Republican
debate on last year, and I think the next day
I submitted a fourer request to Immigration Services. And it
took almost a year ticket this form, but that eventually
did come through.
Speaker 1 (35:05):
Just on a lark.
Speaker 2 (35:06):
I mean, you weren't looking for something in particular, You
were just being a reporter saying I hear the story.
My job to confirm whether what he's saying is true.
Speaker 7 (35:14):
I think, zen as you were reading there, I mean,
he has put this story to a very specific use
in defending justifying mass deportation policies.
Speaker 2 (35:24):
So you wouldn't you wouldn't necessarily be inclined if somebody
were just telling a story but it wasn't tied to
a policy, or particularly a policy that is that affects
a lot of people.
Speaker 7 (35:34):
Sure, I think, I mean the policy stakes here are
are very clear. I mean, Congressman Evans supports an approach
to immigration policy based on these documents we found, you know,
millions of people in the country unlawfully today. He believed
should be treated differently than his grandfather was, you know,
almost almost a century ago.
Speaker 2 (35:53):
In fact, if his policies were in place in nineteen
twenty nine, there wouldn't be a Congressman Evans here in
the United States.
Speaker 1 (36:00):
He'd be somewhere else. Possibly has he reacted to your reporting?
Speaker 7 (36:07):
Is he has not said much?
Speaker 4 (36:08):
He has?
Speaker 7 (36:10):
You know, he did not respond to interview requests for
our story, didn't really respond to most of our questions.
His team gave us some canned statements. They basically doubled
down on saying he did it the right way, which
may not have meant one hundred percent a legal way,
but was still you know, they still want to contrast
that with immigrants who are coming today, who they are
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saying or doing the doing it the wrong way. Whether
that is true is another question.
Speaker 1 (36:38):
I maybe this is not a question you're in a
position to answer.
Speaker 2 (36:40):
I was curious whether he was surprised to learn of
this stuff because maybe he's never seen that document. Maybe
he's just telling lore that has come down the line
in his story, which would be understandable.
Speaker 1 (36:51):
Because we don't really we don't really.
Speaker 2 (36:53):
Necessarily want to tell our kids or grandkids about the
time we got arrested or whether he was caught in
a lie.
Speaker 7 (37:00):
Yeah, I mean, that's at the top of the list
of questions we had for him that he didn't answer
is what he knew when, as you said, very possible
that are any of us who have grandparents great grandparents
who may have immigrated long ago. You know, I don't
think that we would have necessarily seen these specific forms
that we obtained through our wrucord's request. So it's very
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possible he if he wants to, you know, speak with
us or speak with anyone else to tell us about
his reaction to learning this potentially for the first time,
and given all of the things that he has said
about folks who are immigrating today and focusing on violent
criminal immigrants as he often does, to learning that his
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grandfather was accused of a crime, you know, I would
be interested in to know his reaction to that, Tay.
Speaker 1 (37:53):
I've been a reporter for thirty years.
Speaker 2 (37:54):
I learned some things tonight about how to just you know,
clean up my craft. So I appreciate that. Thank you
on behalf of all journalists for the work you did there.
Chase Woodruth Colorado Newsline senior reporter, And as I promised,
Lawrence is going to get Tonight's last word.
Speaker 1 (38:07):
That's next.
Speaker 12 (38:22):
House Republicans have been trying to destroy democratic mayors of
big cities and congressional hearings designed to attack and politically
humiliate democratic mayors. As we reported on this program at
the time. On ash Wednesday, Boston's Mayor Michelle Wu masterfully
crushed her Republican inquisitors.
Speaker 8 (38:45):
We are the cradle of democracy and the city of champions.
We are all of these things not in spite of
our immigrants, but because of them. False narrative is that
immigrants in general are criminals, or immigrants in general cause
also of danger and harm. That is, that is actually
what is undermining safety in our communities. If you wanted
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to make us safe, pass gun reforms, stop cutting medicaid,
stop cutting cancer research, stop cutting funds for veterans. That
is what will make our city safe.
Speaker 12 (39:18):
Boston voters noticed last week, in response to a poll,
Rachel Ryan told The Boston Globe she went down to
Washington and testified and did a phenomenal job. I was
very proud to say that I lived in Boston and
that new Boston Globe Suffolk University poll of Boston voters
shows Mayor Wu leading the field in her reelection campaign
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with sixty percent, with the fortunate son of the billionaire
owner of the local professional football team running second at
thirty points behind Mayor Wu. Sixty six percent of voters
say they have a favorable view of Mayor Wu, while
thirty six percent say they have a favorable view of
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Joshua Craft, the very well financed challenger who recently moved
to Boston to run from mayor on what appears to
be the mistaken calculation that unlimited amounts of money and
a family association with a football team that stopped calling
themselves the Boston Patriots fifty four years ago when they
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moved to a distant suburb would be enough to convince
voters to turn against their mayor, who is the daughter
of immigrants and a graduate of Harvard College and Harvard
Law School. She is also a mother of three with
children in the Boston public school system. The billionaire Craft
family might discover the hard way that the voters of
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Boston are the real Boston Patriots, and Lawrence Getsnit's last word.
Speaker 2 (40:48):
Tomorrow, I hope you'll join me for another meeting of
the Melchie Band Book Club. Tomorrow's meeting will focus on
the one hundred and thirty three bills introduced across the
country in an attempt to criminalize librarians, cut funding, and
restraint literary content just since January. Tomorrow, we'll discuss the
grass roots organization and the people who are fighting back.
Don't miss my conversation with the author, the activist, and
(41:09):
the longtime member of the Velshi Bann Book Club, one
of America's most banned authors, George M. Johnson. That's tomorrow
morning on Velshie Today Am Eastern right here on MSNBC
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