August 14, 2025 • 53 mins
The Light Walkers Path with Rosemary DeTrolio
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Welcome to the Light Walker's Path.
Grow your spirit with Rosemary. In this show, Rosemary creates a
safe place to nurture your innerlight, ask questions, develop
new insights, and find your soul's purpose.
So please welcome the host of Light Walker's path.
Grow your spirit with Rosemary d'itrolio.
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Welcome. This is the light walkers path.
Grow your spirit with Rosemary. I'm Rosemary Ditrolio and I
would like to to invite you to listen to our broadcast on Bold
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Today, I have a wonderful guest,Annie Papazian.
She's a highly experienced resolution pain specialist.
She's a nutritionist, a lifestyle educator, and has
spent decades, 3 decades of expertise in this field.
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She has ABA in kinastology. She was a former professional
athlete. She's dedicated her life to
helping individuals control their health and well-being.
She's a certified massage therapist practitioner, and I've
met her before and we've done a podcast and she's phenomenal.
The information that she can give you is, is life changing
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and you're going to really love meeting Ani.
So Ani, I want to welcome you tothe show.
Hello, Rosemary. Hello everyone.
So honored and happy to be here.I'm thrilled to have you.
We had such a great conversationwhen I was on your podcast and I
can't stop talking about all thewonderful things that you bring
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as a healer and as a person because you're because you're
awesome. And I wanted to just invite you
to 1st tell. Like, how did you first decide
that this is the path you want to go to after being, you know,
doing all those other things that you do that you're trained
to do? So what happened in your life
that you you changed courses or did?
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You know, I, I don't think for me at least I don't think it's
something I decided it just kindof I was called to because I
can't imagine thinking of doing anything else.
OK. Yeah, that's that's definitely.
I was kind of called to like this is what I'm going to do
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because there is nothing else I'm supposed to do.
Yes, that's that's truly the path, right.
So I know that you did massage. So when you do like the pain
management that you do, do you incorporate it with massage or
is that a separate thing for you?
No, I actually, so when the client comes to see me because
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they're in pain and honestly, I don't know what I'm going to do
until I see the client. It's not just palpating their
body to see what's going on, buteven just having conversation
with them. They may say like one word which
will trigger in me. Oh, you know what?
They need nutrition, or they need stress relief first, sorry.
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Or they need genetic testing andanalysis done first to address
that pain. So whatever I feel the client
needs, that's going to give themthe best, fastest and the
lasting result. So I wouldn't know until I speak
or see them. Very interesting.
I also remember from our conversation that you and I had
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that our lovely listeners haven't heard you've done some
very unusual types of training for your healing.
I think you mentioned Russia andand the forefront of of medicine
that we're just kind of getting around to now in our country.
So if you'd touch on that, because I thought that was
fascinating, the things that youhave learned.
So you. Had started to think about that.
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So my bachelor's is in kinesiology, which I got in
Armenia, which was at the time was Soviet Union.
And in college I also studied medical massage, which was part
of mainstream medicine. Even this day, in Russia and in
some European countries, medicalmassage is offered to doctors
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and DS as a continuing education.
That is awesome. I wish they bring.
That in exactly so that was my foundation of massage and then
when I come to US and it was kind of like shocking for me
that massage here mostly consider as a luxury or if you
have money, you go to spa and get a massage.
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It's slowly changing, but it's still It's like when money gets
tough, massage is the first thing to go.
Yes, that's. Absolutely true.
Yeah, yeah. It's a sad thing, but so that's
where I studied some of the foundational stuff, which until
this day I use it with my clients.
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But I love that you mentioned, you know, I guess I do very
unique as my clients say the weirdest techniques.
They're like, I mean, we don't even know how to explain it to
people. So sometimes new client comes to
me and says so and so came. I mean, it's also told me to
come and see you for my pain. I don't even know what you do.
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Right, that's right. But I think the proof is in the
pudding. It's like when you're in pain,
you probably will try anything to make yourself feel better.
And then if you hit upon SomeoneLike You and they start feeling
great, they're like, whoa, I don't know what it is, but I'm
feeling wonderful. So even if they can't really
explain it, you're showing them and and you're proving it by
what you do, which is very, veryunique and and helpful.
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That's great. So you talked about the the the
pain management. So I know what kinase geology
is, even though I can't say it. Can you explain what it is to
people that may not be familiar with the idea?
Well, basically the with the simple terms kinesiology study
of muscles. Yes.
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That's what it is. So you know, I was a
professional athlete. I played volleyball for Armenian
national team. So some of my like when I was
getting my four year bachelor's degree, we would study anatomy,
Physiology, chemistry, organic chemistry, physics and then
sports psychology, all the sports under the sun.
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If anyone loves active lifestyle, you would have loved
my college days because my one day of like school would be
swimming class and then you would be anatomy, track and
field, boxing, gymnastics, sports psychology.
So that was like my class, you know, which was like so much
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fun. I love that they combine like in
in Europe when you were trained,they combined not only that, but
but with with the other parts toit.
I know in our country, you know,often people will go to college
and let's say they're on a scholarship, but it's really
just for the sport to make moneyfor the college, not necessarily
to learn and, and to integrate all these things that you need
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for your body and for, for health, which I think is, is the
way to go. That's, that's terrific.
So that's, that's great. So when did you come to our
country? Like I know you grew up.
On I moved, yeah, with my family, we moved to United
States, actually a year after I finished College in 1992.
And then a month later, I turned22, didn't speak English.
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English was not one of my languages.
So my early 20s is a little hazybecause I could barely remember.
It was a lot of, you know, stress coming to new country,
trying to learn the language, a completely culture of day and
night culture. I'm Armenian and trying to make
friends. And yeah, it was a little a
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little tough. No, I can't, I can't even
imagine. I, you know, even just trying to
learn a language for me is thinking that's, that is so
difficult. And then to be fluent in it and
then do all the things you do. It's very impressive.
You know, it really is. That's, that's amazing.
So, so when when you came here, were you able, like I know in
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our country there's there's special laws and this and that
for all the stuff that you do, Did you have to be retrained in
some way to get like that that United States like, you know,
stamp of approval for what you do here or did things transfer
for you? No.
I was lucky enough because when I transferred to all my college
documents, transcripts, everything.
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Here there is a third party organization where you sent all
your transcript. Everything.
They translate everything to English and they compare my
hours, my grades, everything I took in college to the American
system. And I was AI was a straight A
student. So with the four point O GPA,
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you know, so I didn't have to doany exam automatically.
My degree in United States was bachelor's in kinesiology and I
wanted to continue to get my master's whether I was thinking
physical therapy or chiropractic.
So I went to CSAN which has amazing physical therapy program
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and they looked at my papers like everything looks good just
go to orientation and it's a twoyear full time student program.
Decide when you want to start. And I'm sitting at the
orientation all excited until the professor says and we get 6
new cadavers every year. I said, yeah, never going to
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happen. I'm terrified of dead bodies.
So the physical therapy and chiropractic was went out the
window. Then I figured, OK, massage
therapy. I studied massage therapy in
college. As long as there is no cadaver
involved, I'm going for massage therapy.
And that's where I started my journey in US.
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I always believe that, you know,our, you know, the powers that
be, the angels, the guides, we're always kind of pushed
toward the direction you're supposed to be going.
And if not, they'll throw something like a like a dead
cadaver in front of you to make you go in the in the way that
you're you're supposed to be learning, which which is exactly
what you're supposed to be doing, right?
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Exactly. And I love because you know,
your program is Life Worker's Path, which is very like
spiritual. And as much as I love science,
I'm also open to energy and everything.
And I love what you said is what's supposed to happen
because for the last few years I've been putting out to
universe that I want to travel, I want to do what I love and I
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want to make money. That has been, but I didn't have
a clear path. How am I going to do that?
Yes. And what's so exciting that when
I said I have a really exciting news to share, about a month ago
I was in Canada, in Vancouver, just travelling a little short
vacation. I get a call from Janet
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Jackson's manager. I was Johnny Jackson's massage
therapist in 199899 Her Velvet Robe World Tour.
Well, he calls me. He goes, do you want to go on a
tour with Janet again? I said, Jaime, I'm packing my
bags. Wow is this?
Happening again? Are you doing this?
Again happening again 25 years later.
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I I just got off the phone with him.
He's like, yeah, you're leaving end of May.
So it's like, OK, I never thought about that.
What I put out to Universe that I want to travel.
I never thought that I was goingto go back on tour with her.
That's exciting. You didn't.
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Even cross my mind that was. Some strong prayer, honey.
You know, it's, it's amazing. It's like, you know, you usually
think of, oh, that happens to other people.
That would never happen to me. No, it happens.
It happens so. I love that.
And that's because you had such strong heart and tension and
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you're doing good for everybody.So, you know, just that's so
neat that you'll be out there, you know, traveling the world
with Janet and singing along. I I love it.
Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So when you connect with with your spiritual self, do you find
that you pray or you just sit inyour power or you just send
attention? What is your way that you
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connect? I don't pray.
I'm not religious. I grew up in like Soviet Union,
even though my dad, you know, I'm Armenian, we're Christian,
I'm baptized, but I don't do religion.
Even though my dad's uncle in Egypt in kind of my dad is
Egyptian, Armenian. His uncle was a priest.
My dad grew up in a church. He did not care much for it, but
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I am, let's call it spiritual. I do talk to my, my angels, my
archangels, my, the spirits. And what's so interesting, a
friend of mine, she does past life hypnosis.
And this last time I was in San Diego, we've done a long
session, which like took almost like 5-6 hours, but we did a
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short session because I had specific questions and it was so
interesting. And if it didn't happen to me, I
wouldn't have believed that. Yes.
I'm like OK, growing up I've always been afraid of dark and I
had no idea why but because I think I used to see shadows at
night. Yes, yes.
And so as as I'm in a hypnosis and the what came to me, it was
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like, OK, I'm seeing, I don't know.
It's like it's it's coming to me.
I started spelling name TURIEL. Turiel.
I'm like, I have no idea what that is, what that is.
We actually had to Google it. That turns out to be an Angel.
I'm going to come back to you after this break.
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Welcome back. This is the Light Walker
Walker's path, and my guest is Annie Epicion.
And we were talking about our strange connections and how we
got on our path. So Annie, you were talking
about, you found out Angel Ariel.
So tell me, tell me what happened.
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So, yeah, I mean, this hypnosis and for some reason I ended up
in back home. For me, back home is still
Armenia in our bedroom. And it was really dark and where
the window is, I could see that shadow.
And so that name came to me. I started spelling out and my
friend is like writing. And all of a sudden when she
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looked up and it's like, OK, it's your Angel.
I swear the the room just lined up it just in light and I was
like, that is so like it's so cool.
I mean I love hypnosis but this was just such a so I need to
like read up more on to real buthe's my Angel so.
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I will tell you, so Ariel is actually a very strong Angel
that puts people on their path as healers and as helpers.
And so when I was first, the first time I channeled it was
back in 1993. And I had said a prayer to ask
about my path. And Angel Ariel was right behind
me. Like, you know, here and now I'm
at my computer And I felt like this searing heat go through the
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whole, my whole body. And then I was told start
writing. And one at a time, I was getting
my first message from Angel Ariel.
And basically it was that you'rea light worker.
Get out there, do our work. It's your free will.
But we want you. We, we're, we're calling you to
the path, so to speak. So I channeled my first message
from that Angel. And that Angel had such strong,
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like almost military energy, butit's full of light so that that
angel's really strong. And it comes in for a lot of
healers to kind of kick you in the tush to get you back where
you're supposed to be. So that's like, no, no nonsense.
Get to it. You know, no time to waste here.
So you know, it is, it is. And I love that Angel.
But you know, other ones come intoo.
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You know, we've got a host of ofhelpers out there for us.
That is cool. OK, So I'm going to ask you what
it sounded like. You went through a lot of
hardships and challenges coming to our country.
What were some of the hardships or the worst parts like when you
first got here that you're like,whoa, I have to acclimate to
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this. And how did you get over that, I
guess? Oh my God.
Well, the hardest thing was not speaking language because back
home I studied my language is where Armenia, Russian and
French. And that's the languages I
studied in school. And then in our family, my dad
being Egyptian, Armenian, he spoke Arabic and then, but he,
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he spoke like 6 languages. My dad, because that's what he
studied in, in, in school in Egypt, you know, and that was
like English, French, Arabic. My grandmother, since we're
Armenian in Armenian genocide, their family fled to Egypt.
So my grandmother, my dad, my grand grandmother, they all
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spoke Turkish. Also, I grew up in a family of 6
languages, but here I spoke onlythree.
But in when we first moved, not speaking any English, when I see
people now don't speak English, my heart goes out to them
because it is difficult. You feel so first of all it you
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get scared because people talking to you and you just
don't understand. And then it cracks me up when
people start speaking louder, louder, like I'm not rough to
speak slower, you know? But the other thing was the
cultural differences, how it took me a while to be able to
make friends, to learn how to make friends.
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And I'm a social butterfly. You pick me, put me somewhere
that I don't know anyone, give me 5 minutes.
I know at least like 10 people that they're going to want to go
out and hang out with me. That's how social I am.
But learning culture? What?
What was what was the most different thing you notice about
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the culture? Was it the way women and men
interact? Is it like?
What was it? Except it was, you know, in
Armenia we're very straightforward people, and
there is not much of A filter between our brain and our mouth.
OK, Sounds. Like my?
Los Angeles, a lot of fake, a lot of fake, superficial.
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And that was like really hard for me.
Like I'm walking on the street and someone surpassing me that
doesn't know me like goes like this.
Like what is that? I don't necessarily.
It was just weird. Now we still have that, that
superficial, you know, this is Los Angeles.
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But I've also surrounded myself with some amazing, real people.
That's what you need to do. Yeah.
I think, you know, our country'sso different.
Like it like I'm in an area that's kind of rural.
My son is close to New York, butlike, you can walk through his
town and everybody greets you. And it's not like that here,
even though I'm in a rural area.And then you can go to New York
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and everybody won't look in the eye.
It's it's so different based on like the state you're in.
Even in the United States, it itjust culturally, even in our own
country, it's different. Oh very much so when my
ex-husband first time took me toVirginia tiny little town that
has only two stop lights to meethis parents.
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The first thing his mom said as soon as we walked in.
She goes child. I'm so glad my son brought a
girl home that has some meat on hersh Oh my God.
I turned to him. I said you're lucky I don't have
body issues, otherwise we would have had some issues.
But I love that, you know, straightforward.
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Yes. Yeah, it's, it's so different.
And I've traveled most of the state in United States and
people are very different from state to state.
I believe I I've seen that too. I'm close to Pennsylvania here
too. And we find, you know, even just
from our state, one over the people are so, so nice, you
know, and and I love that. I love that it's more, more
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relaxed, you know? Yeah, it's, it's good.
OK, so all right. When you were a child, I always
ask this because I'm a former teacher.
So when you were a kid, did you have special kind of either
abilities, intuition? Did you always see yourself as a
helper? Like what?
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What qualities do you have now that you know came from that
childhood experience? Or did you like?
What would you say? Well, I was a tomboy.
I only played with the guys, anysport.
I was the, you know, soccer teamin a hockey team.
I one of the things I remember and my mom never lets me forget.
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I would beat up guys a lot, but I would beat them up.
I was a bully to the bullies. Like I understand that, you
know, guys with tease or beat upthe weak girls.
I would get pissed with the weakgirls.
I'm like, why can't you defend yourself?
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So I would beat up the guys. And so my parents got called to
school, to the principal's office on almost weekly basis.
Yes. But I never was into like, oh,
when I grow up, I'm going to be like this.
No, it's just my whole thing wasI was a straight A student as
long as I was good at school. And then, you know, growing up
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in Armenia, we always played outside.
And the only time we come home is if we were hungry or we had
to get. That's.
It so I didn't like we didn't have the and we were very naive.
OK. I was born in 1969, so we were
very naive. It wasn't like the kids now that
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age, let's say 678 years old, are so different than what I was
at that age. Oh, yes, yes.
I think even for me too. Like we, you know, we had, we'd
say that we were the last kind of free generation.
We'd go out, like when it's bright out in the summer and we
would come home when it was darkor you're hungry and we'd be
outside all day. We'd be at the park riding
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bikes, climbing up trees. And there was no parental
intervention. If you had a problem with a
friend, you dealt with it. And it's different now.
And I understand it, you know, but teaching, like all those
years I taught kids, I saw the difference between parenting
styles and kids and, and the world and what was expected.
And it was it, it, it's really different.
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You know, I, I think we, we enjoyed having that freedom,
right to, to be who we are. Exactly.
And, you know, I hear I'm not a parent.
I never wanted to be a parent. I love my niece and nephew and
I'm very close with them. But, you know, it's so
interesting that nowadays, and Ihear some parents would say, oh,
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let your kids go out to play. But the world has changed.
It's not the same safety that yeah, we were gone, like you
said, for hours. And sometimes neighbor knew
where we were or if I was hungry, I would go because we
lived on a third floor. Instead of me going up three
stories, I would just call the first story neighbor and say,
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could you make me a sandwich please?
Because I'm hungry. And they would make a sandwich.
Community. It was.
It was. Very much community in our
building. We knew everyone's relatives,
everyone's friends. If you came to our building and
we're like, who you here to see?Oh, I walk you there and we
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would walk them. We didn't know them.
Like who are you here to see? Who are you?
Who are you? It was not safety, but the world
has changed so you can't even let your kid go out and play in
the front yard without keeping an eye on them without.
Knowing are you you're in LA now, correct.
Los Angeles, yeah, yeah, I know city areas.
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It's it's really something and I'm glad you know that my my son
is is an adult now because he has his own kids to worry about.
But you know I, I, I know how itis now and even with like the
Internet and and these kids on the computers and people are
getting bullied like virtually now it's it's it's very
different for for kids now. I felt bad.
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I found that now the kids that are middle grade, they're
covering their face. The teacher told me this.
I said, why are they doing that?So they don't want, so they
don't get bullied. So you don't know exactly who
they are and you can't like makefun of their face.
Like really, how sad. I know, I know.
So, you know, the more nice people we can raise, the the
better the world will be. Yes.
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So, OK, do you you consider yourself an extrovert?
Is that true? Absolutely.
Even though I love my lonely time, my alone time, I
absolutely love it. But yes.
Yes, yeah, I I would say and I Iwas an introvert turned
extrovert as an adult. I was very quiet as a child.
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But you know, all the thoughts and the words are in there.
You know, who are your perfect clients?
Like if you were to pick like, Iwant these people or the ones
that come to you. Yeah, my perfect clients are the
ones that truly want to get better, want to live pain free.
They're not afraid to do the work themselves and truly want
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to have that quality of life well into their 50s, sixties,
seventies, 80s and hopefully beyond.
Yes. So they don't come see me, just,
oh, I have this neck pain, you just take care of it and then
I'm gone. A lot of people do.
Yes, they do. They figure you're going to fix
it for them and then they don't have to do anything, right?
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Exactly. But I love the ones that like I
found I got a brand new client yesterday and she had for years
she's been suffering. And as we were talking and
sometimes, you know, I'm sure you've seen sometimes the
clients that have this chronic conditions, they know more about
their condition than even doctordoes because they do so much
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research. So she was one of them.
And as we were talking from genetics to mud packing to
energetics and body pain, she's like, just sent me the
information. What do you want me to do?
I'm like, Oh my God, if I could have about 100 of you, I love it
because that's definitely my ultimate amazing client.
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Yes, yes. Do you find that some of these
blocks people have, I know you do nutrition.
Do you find that some of these, like let's say body inflammation
and so forth, comes from the wrong foods people are consuming
or? On a lot of it.
Oh, a lot of it. One of the my first things,
especially if they've tried several things, they're like,
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oh, I tried eating healthy and exercising, but I still have
joint pains. So my one of the first questions
I ask is do you have any allergies?
Either would be seasonal, environmental or the food
sensitivities. Do you have any of that?
Because one of the biggest things that I see so much in the
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clients is histamine. The histamine and the foods that
are high in histamine or can trigger histamine release are
the foods that consider very healthy foods like spinach,
avocados, bananas, strawberries,you know, anything fermented
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like sauerkrauts, those things are considered healthy foods
because you know, they have the they have all the nutrients, but
these foods are either high in histamine or can trigger
histamine release. So if you're someone that even
genetically may have genes that your body doesn't break down
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you eat these foods considering healthy diet, which for someone
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cycle of constantly building andcreate releasing histamine, then
you're never going to feel better or get better.
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I've heard things like for thyroid, like I know raw kale,
raw spinach is very bad for thyroid.
So because. Of the coitroidens like in LA
for the longest time. I don't know how is it now, but
next to my office used to have Whole Foods and people will come
and get a kale shakes, you know,smoothies.
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And I'm looking at them like, Ohmy God.
You know it's not the best, right?
Gwytrodin's in it. It's oh, it's horrible for you,
it's so bad for you. So yeah, no.
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Annie Papezion. And we were talking about health
and food and how it affects our body.
And my question for you is, if someone comes to you with either
fibromyalgia or chronic fatigue,where would you start, Like
figuring out how to help that person, especially because it's
been so long that they might have had this.
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What kinds of things would you do?
Yeah. So one of the things when
someone comes to me with that type of chronic conditions is as
we know, you know, fibromyalgia was considered OK, if you have
this 12 specific spots that are sensitive, then that's kind of
that's a thing to diagnosis of fibromyalgia.
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Now some medical doctors, if they can't figure out what's
going on with you, they just sayyou have fibromyalgia.
So, but with the clients, I always want to see their lab
tests. They're like blood tests.
If they have done any blood tests, whatever lab tests they
have, I would love to see it because I was trained to look at
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blood work very differently. Like functionally then a doctor
was trained to look at them because I see things that they
may not have the symptoms yet, but I see it or I see certain
markers. And I asked them, do you have
this, this, this symptoms? They're like, yeah, but how did
you know? Like, just because I was trained
(36:03):
to see them, like I just had twoweeks ago, I looked at my
friend's lab work and she just came from the doctor.
She goes, my doctor says my lab work is great.
Well, I looked at it, but she goes, I, I don't feel 100%
something is off. I looked at her, I'm like, OK,
you have blood sugar issues. And I asked her, do you get
(36:26):
this, this, this symptom? She goes, yes, I do.
So I gave her suggestion what todo.
And after two weeks, she's like,I'm feeling so much better,
yeah. That's.
Great. Usually that's where I start.
And also asking the right questions.
You know, with the chronic fatigue, there is something in
your immune system, there's sometype of weakness, something is
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triggering. Let's dig deeper to see where is
it coming from. So people like that I would
suggest to do genetic testing because even the genetic testing
is not a diagnostic tool, but it, it gives me the foundational
information. How does your body react to your
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environment, the foods you eat, the exercises you do, even also
how your body can can handle stress.
It will tell me, genetics will tell me.
So that would allow me to see, OK, you know what, maybe the
immune system or methylation or detoxification is the most
(37:30):
important place we should pay attention to instead of going to
your symptoms. Because unfortunately our
medical system, a lot of times they try to just go after
symptoms. Let's do this to get rid of your
symptoms. No, let's go to deep down at the
cellular level, what we can change, because that would have
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the trickling reaction of getting rid of all this other
symptoms. Yes, that's true.
No Band-Aid on it. Let's find the cause.
Yeah. I, I that's, that's a good a
good thing. I had another question I was
going to ask you. What kinds of people do you
resonate with? Oh, you know, it's so
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interesting. I, I love this question because
if you look at my friends pool, they're so different because I
have friends that are very quietthat we used to go do trail
races or running races together.The only conversation I would
have with her just just basic, you know, we're friends, we're
(38:36):
good friends, family and everything, but and then I have
friends that business minded, she's a business owners.
So our conversations about the growth, what's next, training
we're going to do or what training do you do?
And then I have this group of friend who's course creators.
(38:57):
So she's creating courses, what platforms we use.
Hey, what book did you read? Oh, I read this book.
Check it out. It's really good.
So I have this like a different group of friends that I'm
different on it with each of them.
Yeah, the same way. I'm the same way.
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I have, I have people with all different personalities,
different, different qualities. And I was always like that.
So even as a kid, like I didn't want to join a sorority because
I thought that was Snooty and I didn't want to, you know, be in
a certain group. So I didn't really have a
clique, you know, like in high school, I, I, I had friends of
all different personalities because I didn't want to leave
anybody out. And I'm still like that, you
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know, and, and it's fun because you learn from each person.
Oh, absolutely. And I'm usually, even growing
up, I was a rebel. Usually people would, what's the
word? They would.
I was like a magnet. They wanted to hang out with me
because I'm just like easy goingfun.
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I'm a really good fun friend to be to be around.
And if I'm your friend, I don't BS.
There is no fakeness if I say itwhat I feel, without of course
hurting your feelings. Yes.
But also if you're you like you,lie to me.
If you're not truthful, I can easily walk away.
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Yes, yes, yeah, that's good. OK, let's see what else I would
ask. Oh, if you were to pick people
that you admire, what, what kindof people would those be or, or
is there a person that you know,you kind of say that person is
it for me? Was there a person that you
consider like your mentor personin your life?
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Was it a teacher? Or a friend for me is I always
say that people you want to be with or be friends with is how
you can enhance your lives, eachother's lives, whether it be
emotionally, whether it be be, Idon't want to say physically,
only if it's, you know, like partner, but you know how we can
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enhance our lives. Like, you know, if I'm lacking
in one place, how you can help me to become a better person.
And the same thing for you. And this is the exact
conversation I was having with friend of mine on Tuesday
evening when we met up. She's an amazing business woman.
She's very quiet, very like reserved and we travel really
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well together And that's the conversation came up is we were
in the elevator together and this one couple came up.
By the time we went to 3rd floor, this couple was inviting
me or us to join them for drinksand I was the only one having
conversation with them. And afterwards my friend goes,
how do you do this? Yes.
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But so, but that's my personality.
But I love her personality because she's more quiet, more
reserved, and she has this, she observes more.
And it's like our different personalities just attract.
We're like really good friends, but we also, you know, enhance
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each other's qualities. We make each other better.
And those are the type of peoplethat I'm attracted too.
Yes, I, I think, I think I'm thesame way because I love seeing
growth in other people and I like people also that can can
help me. So it's nice when you have that
kind of self growth mentality where you want to do what's
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right and you don't want to helpeach other.
For me too, like I don't believein competition.
It's always cooperation and I'vealways been that way.
So I don't, you know, even when I was, I was a kid, I was doing
running races. I didn't want to win because if
I was too fast I'd make someone feel bad, which is ridiculous
because. I always wanted to win, no.
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But that's OK. But like, in my mind, I felt
like, oh, I didn't want to standout.
I was so quiet. So, you know, it's funny, I'm
going to my high school reunion and I was so quiet in high
school. I never set a piece.
And when I'm me now, like, I hope I don't go in feeling like
I'm 16 again. You know that, like, really
quiet person. I hope I can be who I am now
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because that'd be more fun. Oh, my goodness.
OK, Let's see. Oh, OK.
Tell me a unique story about you.
It could be anything. Tell me something unique that
maybe people wouldn't know aboutyou that you want us to know.
I don't want to embarrass. Anybody OK, so I was very active
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member of the our local Chamber of Commerce many, many years
ago. And so a few ladies over there,
they invited me to be a part of they invited me to this meeting
and I know they were putting together the play Vagina
Monologue. So I thought, OK, I'm really
good at because the only way youcan get the rights to do that
(44:03):
play is if you're doing for a local charity.
Right. To raise money.
So I thought, oh, I'm really good at getting silent auction
items and that's the reason they're inviting me.
Well, now they invited me to be a part of the play.
Oh no. Yes, and I'm like I have 0
interest in playing, acting, doing plays, but So what was so
(44:30):
and I ended up doing it. I was we put on a play Vagina
Monologue. We raised I think it was like
over $10,000 for a Haven House, the local charity.
Nice. But my play, my part of the play
was actually was a very sad part, but I related to it so
much. It was a cause of a woman where
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the world was going on, where the soldiers were like raping
women. And because there was like a
documentary in Armenian genocide, which happened in
1915, there is actually a document documentary on a
soldier raping an Armenian womanthat she has her five year old
daughter holding. She was holding behind her.
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So I just got so emotional and it was so like related to that
part. I was like, Oh yeah, I'm going
to do it. Visceral pain, yeah.
No, but I'm with your Vagina Monologue.
Yeah. There you go.
There you go, another claim to fame for you.
Oh my gosh. My acting to you one time.
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Your acting career. OK, so we're almost coming up on
a break, but I want to ask you, I might have to cut you like
right between, but what do you do for fun?
Oh my God. Well first of all, my work is
fun. Like I love it, but traveling is
my ultimate passion. OK, nice.
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Traveling the places that I've never been.
To me, life is about experiences.
The people I meet, the cultures I learned, the foods I tried,
the languages that I can learn. I wish I spoke like 15
languages. That's beautiful.
So yes, that's that's fun for me.
What is your What is your favorite food from your country
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that you either miss or that youenjoy?
Oh my God, it's stuffed grape leaves.
Oh, I've had that. I've had that.
My mom ate. That the hot version there is a
hot version and a cold version. The cold version is with rice,
but this one with the rice and meat like beef.
Oh my God. As a child, I used to help my
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grandma make it. And I would wrap one, put it
because you have to wrap it really tight nicely.
And they all have uniform. Yeah, very sexy size.
And I would put two in there andI would eat, put one in my
mouth. And my grandma used to say it's
a raw meat, stop eating raw meat.
But I'm like, it was so delicious.
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So yeah, that's one of my favorite foods.
Was it lamb or beef? What kind of meat is in the
middle? Sometimes it could be lamb,
sometimes could be beef. You know, we grew up in Armenia.
We even though both my parents were engineers, we didn't grow
up with a lot of money. So whatever.
Yeah, we weren't like going hungry.
But you know, so it's sometimes it was a mix.
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But yeah, I love meat so. Yes, me too.
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You know, we're just talking about health, being healthy,
living healthy. One of my things is a lot of
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times people think it's all or nothing approach.
It's like, oh, if I'm going to do, I'm going to do it all or
I'm not going to do it all. And sometimes they put too much
stress on themselves. So my suggestion, my advice to
you, if it's OK, is just pick one thing.
What one change you can make today that will put you one step
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closer to your ultimate health goal.
And once you mastered that one thing, then pick another one
thing. But I think all of us, we can do
that one action step, can't we? Right, right.
And I think that makes it very manageable instead of seeing
everything you have to do. So that that's wonderful advice.
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Today, I have a wonderful guest,Annie Papazian.
She's a highly experienced resolution pain specialist.
She's a nutritionist, a lifestyle educator, and has
spent decades, 3 decades of expertise in this field.
(01:16):
She has ABA in kinastology. She was a former professional
athlete. She's dedicated her life to
helping individuals control their health and well-being.
She's a certified massage therapist practitioner, and I've
met her before and we've done a podcast and she's phenomenal.
The information that she can give you is, is life changing
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and you're going to really love meeting Ani.
So Ani, I want to welcome you tothe show.
Hello, Rosemary. Hello everyone.
So honored and happy to be here.I'm thrilled to have you.
We had such a great conversationwhen I was on your podcast and I
can't stop talking about all thewonderful things that you bring
(01:57):
as a healer and as a person because you're because you're
awesome. And I wanted to just invite you
to 1st tell. Like, how did you first decide
that this is the path you want to go to after being, you know,
doing all those other things that you do that you're trained
to do? So what happened in your life
that you you changed courses or did?
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You know, I, I don't think for me at least I don't think it's
something I decided it just kindof I was called to because I
can't imagine thinking of doing anything else.
OK. Yeah, that's that's definitely.
I was kind of called to like this is what I'm going to do
(02:40):
because there is nothing else I'm supposed to do.
Yes, that's that's truly the path, right.
So I know that you did massage. So when you do like the pain
management that you do, do you incorporate it with massage or
is that a separate thing for you?
No, I actually, so when the client comes to see me because
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they're in pain and honestly, I don't know what I'm going to do
until I see the client. It's not just palpating their
body to see what's going on, buteven just having conversation
with them. They may say like one word which
will trigger in me. Oh, you know what?
They need nutrition, or they need stress relief first, sorry.
(03:26):
Or they need genetic testing andanalysis done first to address
that pain. So whatever I feel the client
needs, that's going to give themthe best, fastest and the
lasting result. So I wouldn't know until I speak
or see them. Very interesting.
I also remember from our conversation that you and I had
(03:48):
that our lovely listeners haven't heard you've done some
very unusual types of training for your healing.
I think you mentioned Russia andand the forefront of of medicine
that we're just kind of getting around to now in our country.
So if you'd touch on that, because I thought that was
fascinating, the things that youhave learned.
So you. Had started to think about that.
(04:11):
So my bachelor's is in kinesiology, which I got in
Armenia, which was at the time was Soviet Union.
And in college I also studied medical massage, which was part
of mainstream medicine. Even this day, in Russia and in
some European countries, medicalmassage is offered to doctors
(04:33):
and DS as a continuing education.
That is awesome. I wish they bring.
That in exactly so that was my foundation of massage and then
when I come to US and it was kind of like shocking for me
that massage here mostly consider as a luxury or if you
have money, you go to spa and get a massage.
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It's slowly changing, but it's still It's like when money gets
tough, massage is the first thing to go.
Yes, that's. Absolutely true.
Yeah, yeah. It's a sad thing, but so that's
where I studied some of the foundational stuff, which until
this day I use it with my clients.
(05:17):
But I love that you mentioned, you know, I guess I do very
unique as my clients say the weirdest techniques.
They're like, I mean, we don't even know how to explain it to
people. So sometimes new client comes to
me and says so and so came. I mean, it's also told me to
come and see you for my pain. I don't even know what you do.
(05:38):
Right, that's right. But I think the proof is in the
pudding. It's like when you're in pain,
you probably will try anything to make yourself feel better.
And then if you hit upon SomeoneLike You and they start feeling
great, they're like, whoa, I don't know what it is, but I'm
feeling wonderful. So even if they can't really
explain it, you're showing them and and you're proving it by
what you do, which is very, veryunique and and helpful.
(06:02):
That's great. So you talked about the the the
pain management. So I know what kinase geology
is, even though I can't say it. Can you explain what it is to
people that may not be familiar with the idea?
Well, basically the with the simple terms kinesiology study
of muscles. Yes.
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That's what it is. So you know, I was a
professional athlete. I played volleyball for Armenian
national team. So some of my like when I was
getting my four year bachelor's degree, we would study anatomy,
Physiology, chemistry, organic chemistry, physics and then
sports psychology, all the sports under the sun.
(06:45):
If anyone loves active lifestyle, you would have loved
my college days because my one day of like school would be
swimming class and then you would be anatomy, track and
field, boxing, gymnastics, sports psychology.
So that was like my class, you know, which was like so much
(07:06):
fun. I love that they combine like in
in Europe when you were trained,they combined not only that, but
but with with the other parts toit.
I know in our country, you know,often people will go to college
and let's say they're on a scholarship, but it's really
just for the sport to make moneyfor the college, not necessarily
to learn and, and to integrate all these things that you need
(07:27):
for your body and for, for health, which I think is, is the
way to go. That's, that's terrific.
So that's, that's great. So when did you come to our
country? Like I know you grew up.
On I moved, yeah, with my family, we moved to United
States, actually a year after I finished College in 1992.
And then a month later, I turned22, didn't speak English.
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English was not one of my languages.
So my early 20s is a little hazybecause I could barely remember.
It was a lot of, you know, stress coming to new country,
trying to learn the language, a completely culture of day and
night culture. I'm Armenian and trying to make
friends. And yeah, it was a little a
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little tough. No, I can't, I can't even
imagine. I, you know, even just trying to
learn a language for me is thinking that's, that is so
difficult. And then to be fluent in it and
then do all the things you do. It's very impressive.
You know, it really is. That's, that's amazing.
So, so when when you came here, were you able, like I know in
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our country there's there's special laws and this and that
for all the stuff that you do, Did you have to be retrained in
some way to get like that that United States like, you know,
stamp of approval for what you do here or did things transfer
for you? No.
I was lucky enough because when I transferred to all my college
documents, transcripts, everything.
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Here there is a third party organization where you sent all
your transcript. Everything.
They translate everything to English and they compare my
hours, my grades, everything I took in college to the American
system. And I was AI was a straight A
student. So with the four point O GPA,
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you know, so I didn't have to doany exam automatically.
My degree in United States was bachelor's in kinesiology and I
wanted to continue to get my master's whether I was thinking
physical therapy or chiropractic.
So I went to CSAN which has amazing physical therapy program
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and they looked at my papers like everything looks good just
go to orientation and it's a twoyear full time student program.
Decide when you want to start. And I'm sitting at the
orientation all excited until the professor says and we get 6
new cadavers every year. I said, yeah, never going to
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happen. I'm terrified of dead bodies.
So the physical therapy and chiropractic was went out the
window. Then I figured, OK, massage
therapy. I studied massage therapy in
college. As long as there is no cadaver
involved, I'm going for massage therapy.
And that's where I started my journey in US.
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I always believe that, you know,our, you know, the powers that
be, the angels, the guides, we're always kind of pushed
toward the direction you're supposed to be going.
And if not, they'll throw something like a like a dead
cadaver in front of you to make you go in the in the way that
you're you're supposed to be learning, which which is exactly
what you're supposed to be doing, right?
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Exactly. And I love because you know,
your program is Life Worker's Path, which is very like
spiritual. And as much as I love science,
I'm also open to energy and everything.
And I love what you said is what's supposed to happen
because for the last few years I've been putting out to
universe that I want to travel, I want to do what I love and I
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want to make money. That has been, but I didn't have
a clear path. How am I going to do that?
Yes. And what's so exciting that when
I said I have a really exciting news to share, about a month ago
I was in Canada, in Vancouver, just travelling a little short
vacation. I get a call from Janet
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Jackson's manager. I was Johnny Jackson's massage
therapist in 199899 Her Velvet Robe World Tour.
Well, he calls me. He goes, do you want to go on a
tour with Janet again? I said, Jaime, I'm packing my
bags. Wow is this?
Happening again? Are you doing this?
Again happening again 25 years later.
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I I just got off the phone with him.
He's like, yeah, you're leaving end of May.
So it's like, OK, I never thought about that.
What I put out to Universe that I want to travel.
I never thought that I was goingto go back on tour with her.
That's exciting. You didn't.
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Even cross my mind that was. Some strong prayer, honey.
You know, it's, it's amazing. It's like, you know, you usually
think of, oh, that happens to other people.
That would never happen to me. No, it happens.
It happens so. I love that.
And that's because you had such strong heart and tension and
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you're doing good for everybody.So, you know, just that's so
neat that you'll be out there, you know, traveling the world
with Janet and singing along. I I love it.
Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So when you connect with with your spiritual self, do you find
that you pray or you just sit inyour power or you just send
attention? What is your way that you
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connect? I don't pray.
I'm not religious. I grew up in like Soviet Union,
even though my dad, you know, I'm Armenian, we're Christian,
I'm baptized, but I don't do religion.
Even though my dad's uncle in Egypt in kind of my dad is
Egyptian, Armenian. His uncle was a priest.
My dad grew up in a church. He did not care much for it, but
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I am, let's call it spiritual. I do talk to my, my angels, my
archangels, my, the spirits. And what's so interesting, a
friend of mine, she does past life hypnosis.
And this last time I was in San Diego, we've done a long
session, which like took almost like 5-6 hours, but we did a
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short session because I had specific questions and it was so
interesting. And if it didn't happen to me, I
wouldn't have believed that. Yes.
I'm like OK, growing up I've always been afraid of dark and I
had no idea why but because I think I used to see shadows at
night. Yes, yes.
And so as as I'm in a hypnosis and the what came to me, it was
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like, OK, I'm seeing, I don't know.
It's like it's it's coming to me.
I started spelling name TURIEL. Turiel.
I'm like, I have no idea what that is, what that is.
We actually had to Google it. That turns out to be an Angel.
I'm going to come back to you after this break.
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I, I'm going to tell you a storyabout Ariel because that's
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Welcome back. This is the Light Walker
Walker's path, and my guest is Annie Epicion.
And we were talking about our strange connections and how we
got on our path. So Annie, you were talking
about, you found out Angel Ariel.
So tell me, tell me what happened.
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So, yeah, I mean, this hypnosis and for some reason I ended up
in back home. For me, back home is still
Armenia in our bedroom. And it was really dark and where
the window is, I could see that shadow.
And so that name came to me. I started spelling out and my
friend is like writing. And all of a sudden when she
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looked up and it's like, OK, it's your Angel.
I swear the the room just lined up it just in light and I was
like, that is so like it's so cool.
I mean I love hypnosis but this was just such a so I need to
like read up more on to real buthe's my Angel so.
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I will tell you, so Ariel is actually a very strong Angel
that puts people on their path as healers and as helpers.
And so when I was first, the first time I channeled it was
back in 1993. And I had said a prayer to ask
about my path. And Angel Ariel was right behind
me. Like, you know, here and now I'm
at my computer And I felt like this searing heat go through the
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whole, my whole body. And then I was told start
writing. And one at a time, I was getting
my first message from Angel Ariel.
And basically it was that you'rea light worker.
Get out there, do our work. It's your free will.
But we want you. We, we're, we're calling you to
the path, so to speak. So I channeled my first message
from that Angel. And that Angel had such strong,
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like almost military energy, butit's full of light so that that
angel's really strong. And it comes in for a lot of
healers to kind of kick you in the tush to get you back where
you're supposed to be. So that's like, no, no nonsense.
Get to it. You know, no time to waste here.
So you know, it is, it is. And I love that Angel.
But you know, other ones come intoo.
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You know, we've got a host of ofhelpers out there for us.
That is cool. OK, So I'm going to ask you what
it sounded like. You went through a lot of
hardships and challenges coming to our country.
What were some of the hardships or the worst parts like when you
first got here that you're like,whoa, I have to acclimate to
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this. And how did you get over that, I
guess? Oh my God.
Well, the hardest thing was not speaking language because back
home I studied my language is where Armenia, Russian and
French. And that's the languages I
studied in school. And then in our family, my dad
being Egyptian, Armenian, he spoke Arabic and then, but he,
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he spoke like 6 languages. My dad, because that's what he
studied in, in, in school in Egypt, you know, and that was
like English, French, Arabic. My grandmother, since we're
Armenian in Armenian genocide, their family fled to Egypt.
So my grandmother, my dad, my grand grandmother, they all
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spoke Turkish. Also, I grew up in a family of 6
languages, but here I spoke onlythree.
But in when we first moved, not speaking any English, when I see
people now don't speak English, my heart goes out to them
because it is difficult. You feel so first of all it you
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get scared because people talking to you and you just
don't understand. And then it cracks me up when
people start speaking louder, louder, like I'm not rough to
speak slower, you know? But the other thing was the
cultural differences, how it took me a while to be able to
make friends, to learn how to make friends.
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And I'm a social butterfly. You pick me, put me somewhere
that I don't know anyone, give me 5 minutes.
I know at least like 10 people that they're going to want to go
out and hang out with me. That's how social I am.
But learning culture? What?
What was what was the most different thing you notice about
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the culture? Was it the way women and men
interact? Is it like?
What was it? Except it was, you know, in
Armenia we're very straightforward people, and
there is not much of A filter between our brain and our mouth.
OK, Sounds. Like my?
Los Angeles, a lot of fake, a lot of fake, superficial.
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And that was like really hard for me.
Like I'm walking on the street and someone surpassing me that
doesn't know me like goes like this.
Like what is that? I don't necessarily.
It was just weird. Now we still have that, that
superficial, you know, this is Los Angeles.
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But I've also surrounded myself with some amazing, real people.
That's what you need to do. Yeah.
I think, you know, our country'sso different.
Like it like I'm in an area that's kind of rural.
My son is close to New York, butlike, you can walk through his
town and everybody greets you. And it's not like that here,
even though I'm in a rural area.And then you can go to New York
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and everybody won't look in the eye.
It's it's so different based on like the state you're in.
Even in the United States, it itjust culturally, even in our own
country, it's different. Oh very much so when my
ex-husband first time took me toVirginia tiny little town that
has only two stop lights to meethis parents.
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The first thing his mom said as soon as we walked in.
She goes child. I'm so glad my son brought a
girl home that has some meat on hersh Oh my God.
I turned to him. I said you're lucky I don't have
body issues, otherwise we would have had some issues.
But I love that, you know, straightforward.
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Yes. Yeah, it's, it's so different.
And I've traveled most of the state in United States and
people are very different from state to state.
I believe I I've seen that too. I'm close to Pennsylvania here
too. And we find, you know, even just
from our state, one over the people are so, so nice, you
know, and and I love that. I love that it's more, more
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relaxed, you know? Yeah, it's, it's good.
OK, so all right. When you were a child, I always
ask this because I'm a former teacher.
So when you were a kid, did you have special kind of either
abilities, intuition? Did you always see yourself as a
helper? Like what?
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What qualities do you have now that you know came from that
childhood experience? Or did you like?
What would you say? Well, I was a tomboy.
I only played with the guys, anysport.
I was the, you know, soccer teamin a hockey team.
I one of the things I remember and my mom never lets me forget.
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I would beat up guys a lot, but I would beat them up.
I was a bully to the bullies. Like I understand that, you
know, guys with tease or beat upthe weak girls.
I would get pissed with the weakgirls.
I'm like, why can't you defend yourself?
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So I would beat up the guys. And so my parents got called to
school, to the principal's office on almost weekly basis.
Yes. But I never was into like, oh,
when I grow up, I'm going to be like this.
No, it's just my whole thing wasI was a straight A student as
long as I was good at school. And then, you know, growing up
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in Armenia, we always played outside.
And the only time we come home is if we were hungry or we had
to get. That's.
It so I didn't like we didn't have the and we were very naive.
OK. I was born in 1969, so we were
very naive. It wasn't like the kids now that
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age, let's say 678 years old, are so different than what I was
at that age. Oh, yes, yes.
I think even for me too. Like we, you know, we had, we'd
say that we were the last kind of free generation.
We'd go out, like when it's bright out in the summer and we
would come home when it was darkor you're hungry and we'd be
outside all day. We'd be at the park riding
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bikes, climbing up trees. And there was no parental
intervention. If you had a problem with a
friend, you dealt with it. And it's different now.
And I understand it, you know, but teaching, like all those
years I taught kids, I saw the difference between parenting
styles and kids and, and the world and what was expected.
And it was it, it, it's really different.
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You know, I, I think we, we enjoyed having that freedom,
right to, to be who we are. Exactly.
And, you know, I hear I'm not a parent.
I never wanted to be a parent. I love my niece and nephew and
I'm very close with them. But, you know, it's so
interesting that nowadays, and Ihear some parents would say, oh,
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let your kids go out to play. But the world has changed.
It's not the same safety that yeah, we were gone, like you
said, for hours. And sometimes neighbor knew
where we were or if I was hungry, I would go because we
lived on a third floor. Instead of me going up three
stories, I would just call the first story neighbor and say,
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could you make me a sandwich please?
Because I'm hungry. And they would make a sandwich.
Community. It was.
It was. Very much community in our
building. We knew everyone's relatives,
everyone's friends. If you came to our building and
we're like, who you here to see?Oh, I walk you there and we
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would walk them. We didn't know them.
Like who are you here to see? Who are you?
Who are you? It was not safety, but the world
has changed so you can't even let your kid go out and play in
the front yard without keeping an eye on them without.
Knowing are you you're in LA now, correct.
Los Angeles, yeah, yeah, I know city areas.
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It's it's really something and I'm glad you know that my my son
is is an adult now because he has his own kids to worry about.
But you know I, I, I know how itis now and even with like the
Internet and and these kids on the computers and people are
getting bullied like virtually now it's it's it's very
different for for kids now. I felt bad.
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I found that now the kids that are middle grade, they're
covering their face. The teacher told me this.
I said, why are they doing that?So they don't want, so they
don't get bullied. So you don't know exactly who
they are and you can't like makefun of their face.
Like really, how sad. I know, I know.
So, you know, the more nice people we can raise, the the
better the world will be. Yes.
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So, OK, do you you consider yourself an extrovert?
Is that true? Absolutely.
Even though I love my lonely time, my alone time, I
absolutely love it. But yes.
Yes, yeah, I I would say and I Iwas an introvert turned
extrovert as an adult. I was very quiet as a child.
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But you know, all the thoughts and the words are in there.
You know, who are your perfect clients?
Like if you were to pick like, Iwant these people or the ones
that come to you. Yeah, my perfect clients are the
ones that truly want to get better, want to live pain free.
They're not afraid to do the work themselves and truly want
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to have that quality of life well into their 50s, sixties,
seventies, 80s and hopefully beyond.
Yes. So they don't come see me, just,
oh, I have this neck pain, you just take care of it and then
I'm gone. A lot of people do.
Yes, they do. They figure you're going to fix
it for them and then they don't have to do anything, right?
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Exactly. But I love the ones that like I
found I got a brand new client yesterday and she had for years
she's been suffering. And as we were talking and
sometimes, you know, I'm sure you've seen sometimes the
clients that have this chronic conditions, they know more about
their condition than even doctordoes because they do so much
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research. So she was one of them.
And as we were talking from genetics to mud packing to
energetics and body pain, she's like, just sent me the
information. What do you want me to do?
I'm like, Oh my God, if I could have about 100 of you, I love it
because that's definitely my ultimate amazing client.
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Yes, yes. Do you find that some of these
blocks people have, I know you do nutrition.
Do you find that some of these, like let's say body inflammation
and so forth, comes from the wrong foods people are consuming
or? On a lot of it.
Oh, a lot of it. One of the my first things,
especially if they've tried several things, they're like,
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oh, I tried eating healthy and exercising, but I still have
joint pains. So my one of the first questions
I ask is do you have any allergies?
Either would be seasonal, environmental or the food
sensitivities. Do you have any of that?
Because one of the biggest things that I see so much in the
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clients is histamine. The histamine and the foods that
are high in histamine or can trigger histamine release are
the foods that consider very healthy foods like spinach,
avocados, bananas, strawberries,you know, anything fermented
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like sauerkrauts, those things are considered healthy foods
because you know, they have the they have all the nutrients, but
these foods are either high in histamine or can trigger
histamine release. So if you're someone that even
genetically may have genes that your body doesn't break down
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histamine fast enough that lingers in your system, then if
you eat these foods considering healthy diet, which for someone
else would be very healthy diet,then you're in this vicious
cycle of constantly building andcreate releasing histamine, then
you're never going to feel better or get better.
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I've heard things like for thyroid, like I know raw kale,
raw spinach is very bad for thyroid.
So because. Of the coitroidens like in LA
for the longest time. I don't know how is it now, but
next to my office used to have Whole Foods and people will come
and get a kale shakes, you know,smoothies.
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And I'm looking at them like, Ohmy God.
You know it's not the best, right?
Gwytrodin's in it. It's oh, it's horrible for you,
it's so bad for you. So yeah, no.
All right, we're going to come back in a few minutes.
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This is the light Walker's path on Bold Brief TV and my guest is
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Annie Papezion. And we were talking about health
and food and how it affects our body.
And my question for you is, if someone comes to you with either
fibromyalgia or chronic fatigue,where would you start, Like
figuring out how to help that person, especially because it's
been so long that they might have had this.
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What kinds of things would you do?
Yeah. So one of the things when
someone comes to me with that type of chronic conditions is as
we know, you know, fibromyalgia was considered OK, if you have
this 12 specific spots that are sensitive, then that's kind of
that's a thing to diagnosis of fibromyalgia.
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Now some medical doctors, if they can't figure out what's
going on with you, they just sayyou have fibromyalgia.
So, but with the clients, I always want to see their lab
tests. They're like blood tests.
If they have done any blood tests, whatever lab tests they
have, I would love to see it because I was trained to look at
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blood work very differently. Like functionally then a doctor
was trained to look at them because I see things that they
may not have the symptoms yet, but I see it or I see certain
markers. And I asked them, do you have
this, this, this symptoms? They're like, yeah, but how did
you know? Like, just because I was trained
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to see them, like I just had twoweeks ago, I looked at my
friend's lab work and she just came from the doctor.
She goes, my doctor says my lab work is great.
Well, I looked at it, but she goes, I, I don't feel 100%
something is off. I looked at her, I'm like, OK,
you have blood sugar issues. And I asked her, do you get
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this, this, this symptom? She goes, yes, I do.
So I gave her suggestion what todo.
And after two weeks, she's like,I'm feeling so much better,
yeah. That's.
Great. Usually that's where I start.
And also asking the right questions.
You know, with the chronic fatigue, there is something in
your immune system, there's sometype of weakness, something is
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triggering. Let's dig deeper to see where is
it coming from. So people like that I would
suggest to do genetic testing because even the genetic testing
is not a diagnostic tool, but it, it gives me the foundational
information. How does your body react to your
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environment, the foods you eat, the exercises you do, even also
how your body can can handle stress.
It will tell me, genetics will tell me.
So that would allow me to see, OK, you know what, maybe the
immune system or methylation or detoxification is the most
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important place we should pay attention to instead of going to
your symptoms. Because unfortunately our
medical system, a lot of times they try to just go after
symptoms. Let's do this to get rid of your
symptoms. No, let's go to deep down at the
cellular level, what we can change, because that would have
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the trickling reaction of getting rid of all this other
symptoms. Yes, that's true.
No Band-Aid on it. Let's find the cause.
Yeah. I, I that's, that's a good a
good thing. I had another question I was
going to ask you. What kinds of people do you
resonate with? Oh, you know, it's so
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interesting. I, I love this question because
if you look at my friends pool, they're so different because I
have friends that are very quietthat we used to go do trail
races or running races together.The only conversation I would
have with her just just basic, you know, we're friends, we're
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good friends, family and everything, but and then I have
friends that business minded, she's a business owners.
So our conversations about the growth, what's next, training
we're going to do or what training do you do?
And then I have this group of friend who's course creators.
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So she's creating courses, what platforms we use.
Hey, what book did you read? Oh, I read this book.
Check it out. It's really good.
So I have this like a different group of friends that I'm
different on it with each of them.
Yeah, the same way. I'm the same way.
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I have, I have people with all different personalities,
different, different qualities. And I was always like that.
So even as a kid, like I didn't want to join a sorority because
I thought that was Snooty and I didn't want to, you know, be in
a certain group. So I didn't really have a
clique, you know, like in high school, I, I, I had friends of
all different personalities because I didn't want to leave
anybody out. And I'm still like that, you
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know, and, and it's fun because you learn from each person.
Oh, absolutely. And I'm usually, even growing
up, I was a rebel. Usually people would, what's the
word? They would.
I was like a magnet. They wanted to hang out with me
because I'm just like easy goingfun.
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I'm a really good fun friend to be to be around.
And if I'm your friend, I don't BS.
There is no fakeness if I say itwhat I feel, without of course
hurting your feelings. Yes.
But also if you're you like you,lie to me.
If you're not truthful, I can easily walk away.
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Yes, yes, yeah, that's good. OK, let's see what else I would
ask. Oh, if you were to pick people
that you admire, what, what kindof people would those be or, or
is there a person that you know,you kind of say that person is
it for me? Was there a person that you
consider like your mentor personin your life?
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Was it a teacher? Or a friend for me is I always
say that people you want to be with or be friends with is how
you can enhance your lives, eachother's lives, whether it be
emotionally, whether it be be, Idon't want to say physically,
only if it's, you know, like partner, but you know how we can
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enhance our lives. Like, you know, if I'm lacking
in one place, how you can help me to become a better person.
And the same thing for you. And this is the exact
conversation I was having with friend of mine on Tuesday
evening when we met up. She's an amazing business woman.
She's very quiet, very like reserved and we travel really
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well together And that's the conversation came up is we were
in the elevator together and this one couple came up.
By the time we went to 3rd floor, this couple was inviting
me or us to join them for drinksand I was the only one having
conversation with them. And afterwards my friend goes,
how do you do this? Yes.
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But so, but that's my personality.
But I love her personality because she's more quiet, more
reserved, and she has this, she observes more.
And it's like our different personalities just attract.
We're like really good friends, but we also, you know, enhance
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each other's qualities. We make each other better.
And those are the type of peoplethat I'm attracted too.
Yes, I, I think, I think I'm thesame way because I love seeing
growth in other people and I like people also that can can
help me. So it's nice when you have that
kind of self growth mentality where you want to do what's
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right and you don't want to helpeach other.
For me too, like I don't believein competition.
It's always cooperation and I'vealways been that way.
So I don't, you know, even when I was, I was a kid, I was doing
running races. I didn't want to win because if
I was too fast I'd make someone feel bad, which is ridiculous
because. I always wanted to win, no.
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But that's OK. But like, in my mind, I felt
like, oh, I didn't want to standout.
I was so quiet. So, you know, it's funny, I'm
going to my high school reunion and I was so quiet in high
school. I never set a piece.
And when I'm me now, like, I hope I don't go in feeling like
I'm 16 again. You know that, like, really
quiet person. I hope I can be who I am now
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because that'd be more fun. Oh, my goodness.
OK, Let's see. Oh, OK.
Tell me a unique story about you.
It could be anything. Tell me something unique that
maybe people wouldn't know aboutyou that you want us to know.
I don't want to embarrass. Anybody OK, so I was very active
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member of the our local Chamber of Commerce many, many years
ago. And so a few ladies over there,
they invited me to be a part of they invited me to this meeting
and I know they were putting together the play Vagina
Monologue. So I thought, OK, I'm really
good at because the only way youcan get the rights to do that
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play is if you're doing for a local charity.
Right. To raise money.
So I thought, oh, I'm really good at getting silent auction
items and that's the reason they're inviting me.
Well, now they invited me to be a part of the play.
Oh no. Yes, and I'm like I have 0
interest in playing, acting, doing plays, but So what was so
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and I ended up doing it. I was we put on a play Vagina
Monologue. We raised I think it was like
over $10,000 for a Haven House, the local charity.
Nice. But my play, my part of the play
was actually was a very sad part, but I related to it so
much. It was a cause of a woman where
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the world was going on, where the soldiers were like raping
women. And because there was like a
documentary in Armenian genocide, which happened in
1915, there is actually a document documentary on a
soldier raping an Armenian womanthat she has her five year old
daughter holding. She was holding behind her.
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So I just got so emotional and it was so like related to that
part. I was like, Oh yeah, I'm going
to do it. Visceral pain, yeah.
No, but I'm with your Vagina Monologue.
Yeah. There you go.
There you go, another claim to fame for you.
Oh my gosh. My acting to you one time.
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Your acting career. OK, so we're almost coming up on
a break, but I want to ask you, I might have to cut you like
right between, but what do you do for fun?
Oh my God. Well first of all, my work is
fun. Like I love it, but traveling is
my ultimate passion. OK, nice.
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Traveling the places that I've never been.
To me, life is about experiences.
The people I meet, the cultures I learned, the foods I tried,
the languages that I can learn. I wish I spoke like 15
languages. That's beautiful.
So yes, that's that's fun for me.
What is your What is your favorite food from your country
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that you either miss or that youenjoy?
Oh my God, it's stuffed grape leaves.
Oh, I've had that. I've had that.
My mom ate. That the hot version there is a
hot version and a cold version. The cold version is with rice,
but this one with the rice and meat like beef.
Oh my God. As a child, I used to help my
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grandma make it. And I would wrap one, put it
because you have to wrap it really tight nicely.
And they all have uniform. Yeah, very sexy size.
And I would put two in there andI would eat, put one in my
mouth. And my grandma used to say it's
a raw meat, stop eating raw meat.
But I'm like, it was so delicious.
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So yeah, that's one of my favorite foods.
Was it lamb or beef? What kind of meat is in the
middle? Sometimes it could be lamb,
sometimes could be beef. You know, we grew up in Armenia.
We even though both my parents were engineers, we didn't grow
up with a lot of money. So whatever.
Yeah, we weren't like going hungry.
But you know, so it's sometimes it was a mix.
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But yeah, I love meat so. Yes, me too.
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You know, we're just talking about health, being healthy,
living healthy. One of my things is a lot of
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times people think it's all or nothing approach.
It's like, oh, if I'm going to do, I'm going to do it all or
I'm not going to do it all. And sometimes they put too much
stress on themselves. So my suggestion, my advice to
you, if it's OK, is just pick one thing.
What one change you can make today that will put you one step
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closer to your ultimate health goal.
And once you mastered that one thing, then pick another one
thing. But I think all of us, we can do
that one action step, can't we? Right, right.
And I think that makes it very manageable instead of seeing
everything you have to do. So that that's wonderful advice.
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So I would like to thank you so much for being a part of this
broadcast. And it's been such a pleasure
and I'm so excited. So when you're away with Janet
Jackson, you know, send me a message saying I'm with Janet
right now having wine, you know,just because it's so cool.
All right. And I'll, I'll say, oh, I know,
honey, you know, I know. I'm going to rub elbows with
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honey. So that's great.
So I'm your host, Rosemary Ditrolio, and you've been on the
light Walker's path. Bold, brave television.
Thank you for spending this hourwith me.
And I hope we've both inspired you to try something new and,
and be be a part of the the the change.
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Join me every week, 10:00 Eastern on bold Brave TV, the
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Check out my website and check out my books on Amazon.
And we hope to see you soon. Thank you so much, Ani.
You've been great. Thank you.
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