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August 21, 2025 • 27 mins
Chronicles the exploits of a charismatic con artist, offering a glimpse into his schemes and the moral ambiguities of his adventures. The narratives blend wit with suspense.
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Speaker 1 (00:23):
Presenting Orton Wells as the Third Man.

Speaker 2 (00:36):
The Lives of Harry Lyme, the fabulous stories of the
immortal character originally created in the motion picture of The
Third Man with Cyther music by Anton Carris.

Speaker 3 (00:53):
That was the shock that killed Harry Lyme.

Speaker 4 (00:56):
He died in a sewer beneath the yellow those of
you know who saw the movies The Third Man, and
that's that's the end of a line.

Speaker 3 (01:06):
But it was not the beginning.

Speaker 4 (01:09):
Well, he had many lines, and I can tell you
about all of them, how because my name is Harry Lyon.

Speaker 3 (01:26):
Buenoside's July nineteen forty four.

Speaker 4 (01:29):
The Argentine papers were full of the attempted assassination of
Adam Hickler, but it failed.

Speaker 3 (01:34):
But all of us knew that the Finanzi party was doomed.

Speaker 4 (01:36):
Buenoside's was full of those once high in the Nazi councilors,
and they brought her the money, jewelry, our treasure.

Speaker 2 (02:32):
And now Orson Wells is Harry Lyme the third Man
in work of art.

Speaker 4 (02:51):
Yes, then I wasn't Buenosanta. It's just a freen fat
young American boy looking for a chance to us honest
duck friends, give me a letter and one Fernandez, a
general with a handsome face and peckable manners and low morals,
and foremant are indicated that the senior might be helpful
in guiding you around my chosen path. But when I

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called it his art gallery, his house in the brown
Stone building just off the positive Congress, so he refused
to see me and those other sources of income to
be found without Senor Fernandees help, and the brown at
the post order seems an ideal place.

Speaker 3 (03:26):
For a young man to start career. Ender just puss
to amit, Tom, I beg Gordon. I don't understand much spanning.
I would make difful of you for be so long.
She's a supply of run behind the bus. She was
finished it and I got to stop him to drink

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for more. Okay, okay, skip that, skip it, young jiando
signor what is gep? And then let it go and
never mind's arm done art of Scotch and.

Speaker 1 (03:56):
The grass and in when I was here is what's wrong?
The special gianity of they are.

Speaker 3 (04:02):
She's a drink. I make myself a ready made through
four different.

Speaker 2 (04:06):
Cantel grounds that you should find out an attack.

Speaker 3 (04:08):
You've got your drinking of the fine.

Speaker 4 (04:10):
I have a Scotch and soda, but you would like
my speciality from all the world.

Speaker 1 (04:15):
I see it is that I make a mistake.

Speaker 5 (04:16):
You know the inscoction soda.

Speaker 4 (04:19):
Why I don't you should pay clothes in the stores
of winos Ai as soon.

Speaker 3 (04:24):
As possible as Emily boats.

Speaker 6 (04:26):
I presume you know my name is ding Swan Days,
and I do not make these suggestions for the sake
of medication, mister line, owing you for the business.

Speaker 4 (04:34):
Treats, I'm greatly fascinated sales, and these contain in our profession.

Speaker 6 (04:39):
We must dress at the multitude passist. We must drink
because they drink tactics there. We must never go special
attention to ourselves, but must.

Speaker 5 (04:46):
Seemingly mails into the back.

Speaker 3 (04:48):
But I know so bad, I'm serious.

Speaker 5 (04:51):
I deal with these things for your own goods.

Speaker 3 (04:52):
This concerns me a little sudden.

Speaker 4 (04:54):
A man that's funny would even see me your drinks
saying you thank you, thank you, emma, and you say
you're I.

Speaker 3 (05:02):
Have one of the specials at all.

Speaker 5 (05:04):
Will be over the little table in the corner.

Speaker 3 (05:05):
But of course.

Speaker 6 (05:11):
It was not judicious of you to come to my
art galleries in your line you see the business that
goes on in the front rooms. It's quite regular, but
there is a backroom where some of the transactions are.

Speaker 5 (05:21):
A little bit less orthodox.

Speaker 6 (05:24):
My backroom friends must not be seen coming into my
establishment by my friend room friends.

Speaker 3 (05:28):
You do understand, of course, because it's perfectly clear.

Speaker 6 (05:31):
And you come to one of the arries to read
some of the worlds here, you are not the tie
to do it honestly, and that is all right with me.

Speaker 1 (05:38):
I will help you, but we must.

Speaker 6 (05:40):
Remain casual acquaintances who meet in bars, not business associates.

Speaker 3 (05:44):
You must not come to my gallery.

Speaker 5 (05:47):
You are not giving me your full attention.

Speaker 3 (05:49):
But how did you see what came through a door?

Speaker 5 (05:53):
The beautiful Senorita.

Speaker 3 (05:54):
But you have to shoulder.

Speaker 6 (05:55):
Dress anything, not very much, I assure you. You know
if you and I come to terms, Signora, she is
the first assignment.

Speaker 4 (06:12):
Senor Ferrangus was about as community it was with England,
discurably ultimate.

Speaker 3 (06:17):
In other world manners.

Speaker 4 (06:18):
He reduced to another word about the slender, dark eyed
duty would certainly said my close coming. Instead, he turned
the conversation to other times, the duty that was found
in paintings and sculpture. The end to test my knowledge
of the arts and perhaps my conversation with ability is
apparently not proficiency of the latter made up for any
deficiencies in the former. Where we soon came to terms.
Wasn't until a second meeting. Out of that the exact

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particulars of our new trader explained by the master. We
met accidentally at a roadside refreshment stand near the suburb
of Blgrano.

Speaker 6 (06:48):
It is my desire that you make friends among our
new regiments. You can gain invitations to their homes and
go through their private galleries. There are many such private galleries.

Speaker 3 (06:58):
Well, that sounds underting I even get a job? Is
the first guide.

Speaker 6 (07:01):
Your job will be to guide some friends of mine
to the finest, the most expensive words about in town.
You must equip them with full descriptions of the galleries,
the houses containing them, the personnel.

Speaker 5 (07:12):
The entrances, the excess.

Speaker 3 (07:14):
Okay, okay, our source of metal.

Speaker 4 (07:17):
Now that first assignment you spoke about the Senorita, Yes.

Speaker 5 (07:21):
It is known of Sinevita Melissa Coday. She came here
a few months ago. She vented an expensive laune.

Speaker 6 (07:27):
She has invited only a few close friends to see
her art treasures.

Speaker 5 (07:30):
But according to the ports, she's.

Speaker 6 (07:32):
The owner of the most valuable printing in all of Bonos,
Harris and Original Rubens.

Speaker 4 (07:36):
What a fortune all that are Original Rubens too. I
don't know what one friends is worried about.

Speaker 3 (07:52):
What could happen to me? I wasn't able to do
any I was feeling my jobances to being charming un observing.

Speaker 4 (07:58):
In the next few weeks, a nice excess was talking
among half a dozen of the local gentry. I was
invited to their home as I made polite compliments to
my host's extravagant ones to my host, did you know
it's amazing how much information you can get if you
say the right things about a woman's choice of dresses
or a man's choice of wars and signor friends paid
me handsomer for the information. But both of us are
still primarily concerned with Seniorita Malissa Pade, and she proved

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as elusive as the honor at the bottom of my team. However,
by this time we were both members of When It's
Out a society, and an eventual meeting was inevitable.

Speaker 3 (08:31):
And now she meet her often. As a matter of
fact that she found me quite irresistible.

Speaker 7 (08:37):
I'm very sorrious in your line.

Speaker 5 (08:39):
But I'm busy tomorrow.

Speaker 3 (08:41):
Uh, but the following data, No, I'm sorry.

Speaker 7 (08:44):
The following day I have an engagement.

Speaker 3 (08:46):
After that.

Speaker 4 (08:48):
There were two things driving me towards a Ford and
my determination that I pierced that poor a cold steel
and my desire to get proven. Oh I have and
women that's where before, women with cash registers where their
hearts was supposed to be. But it wasn't going to
defeat me. I have a bank balance to blind the

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next mersonary woman. I met Melissa because I was going
to be the donor on Saturday evening.

Speaker 3 (09:14):
Similarly, because I was giving a large dinner party for.

Speaker 4 (09:16):
A visiting American diplomat and for a short study of
the guest list, I chose as my target and under
Secretary of the English Counsel mister Albert Ramsey.

Speaker 3 (09:24):
And I studied and carefully.

Speaker 4 (09:26):
I learned some of his former posts and all of
his weaknesses, including that out of absent mindedness. On Saturday
evening I followed him officer too.

Speaker 8 (09:38):
Oh, I wasn't looking Bertie Bertie Albert Ramsey in the
play The Flesh, As you say, how have you been?

Speaker 3 (09:49):
Oh boy?

Speaker 4 (09:49):
I heard you are connected with the content over here,
but I haven't had a chance to look you up.
It is good seeing you, you bumping into good old
bird Ramsey right in the middle of better side.

Speaker 3 (09:59):
There's been a lot time, hasn't it all.

Speaker 2 (10:00):
I hope you'll forgive me a no frightful memory now,
but I don't need to remember quite well.

Speaker 9 (10:04):
The course you remember this is the short hotel in Washington.
Oh yes, every stupid Washington. Yeah, it must have been
about four ninety for what it was, but exactly. And
you say you have a bad memory.

Speaker 4 (10:18):
There was really a break bumping into you on my
first three things as I got here.

Speaker 3 (10:22):
You've got to have dinner with the well factor matters.

Speaker 1 (10:24):
I haven't did any engagement, charming girl. I'm in a
bit of a parties and I promised I go.

Speaker 4 (10:28):
I'm certainly not going to say good Bryan, I've been
rocky enough to run into I hate his dinner buddies myself.

Speaker 3 (10:32):
But then maybe you couldn't take me it wrong, even
even if you wanted to. I dare say it'd be
all right. If you say it'd be all right, you're
sure I wouldn't be intruding. Oh no, no, no, of course, not.

Speaker 1 (10:42):
No pretty girl.

Speaker 2 (10:42):
I got a bit delighted to have me bring a
handsome young chaparra, and probably only invited no Ol duffer
Ire because.

Speaker 1 (10:48):
She needed an extra matter.

Speaker 3 (10:49):
If you're positive, it's all right.

Speaker 1 (10:50):
Oh, I do have a confession to make, though.

Speaker 3 (10:52):
They're a rotten memory of mine. You know, I remember our.

Speaker 9 (10:55):
Meetings in Washington plain as though they occurred yesterday. But
your names slip right out of him.

Speaker 4 (11:01):
Give you a massive that's all apologize on the it's lying,
Harry Lyon.

Speaker 5 (11:11):
M h.

Speaker 3 (11:19):
You're a hat. Thanks, thanks, ye take my stick too.

Speaker 2 (11:22):
I've got a stall Wark companion with me, and now
I won't need a stick if I'm attacked by robes.

Speaker 1 (11:28):
Here comes down host, Good evening, mister. You look simply
rabbishing vida. Look I want you to be an old
and very dear friend of mine. Mister Harry Lyon, I've
had the pleasure.

Speaker 4 (11:40):
You don't say I didn't know. I'm say I didn't
know mister Ramsey was coming here. I bumped into it.

Speaker 3 (11:46):
It's all my format. Harry and I made accident, and
I haven't seen him free years.

Speaker 1 (11:50):
I simply insisted, did he come along?

Speaker 9 (11:52):
I suppose I was so busy chatting about old times
I didn't get.

Speaker 1 (11:55):
Around to telling him who our hostess was. Anything. All right,
hook your pardon and i'll yes.

Speaker 3 (12:01):
Of course, of course you could call a police. Your
servants thrown here. I drove.

Speaker 1 (12:09):
Well, come in and have a drink.

Speaker 3 (12:11):
The others are a little ahead of you. All the read.
Oh we'll catch up over headed, Oh I do nothing.

Speaker 4 (12:16):
I'll have a drink tonight. I don't want to trance
dulling my senses. I understand Melissa has an art collection
really worth while.

Speaker 3 (12:22):
Seeing you're interesting. Somehow, I didn't think I would see very,
very very interesting.

Speaker 7 (12:28):
Since I've been wrong in my estimate of you, mister Lyon,
I'll be happy to show.

Speaker 3 (12:32):
You my gallery. Do you really think.

Speaker 4 (12:34):
You'd enjoy Nothing could fascinate me more.

Speaker 3 (12:53):
Orson Wells returns.

Speaker 2 (12:54):
In just a moment, there's the third man. Orson Welles

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as the third man continues with work of.

Speaker 4 (13:46):
Art general an eternity of which for rich people a
small proper service because almost non existent. But one thing
I could be thankful my power body round it forgot
me as absorption with a mustache.

Speaker 3 (13:59):
Equidilia woman.

Speaker 4 (14:00):
He's probably fascinated by the task of counting your chin
snow mean jobs, and she was constantly quivering with laughter.

Speaker 3 (14:06):
Anyway, to day was over, and it seemed like me.

Speaker 4 (14:08):
A few months after what mister Ramsey, I'd recall a
decent interval.

Speaker 3 (14:12):
I persuaded Marissa Furday to take me on a cook's
tour of a gallery.

Speaker 5 (14:17):
Well, this is it?

Speaker 3 (14:19):
It's my notice, is it? Why is there? Must be
a must be fortunate?

Speaker 1 (14:23):
Yet that means little to me.

Speaker 7 (14:24):
Now, perhaps some day it may have value for me.

Speaker 3 (14:27):
Again, some of you don't realize as well. Well, lonely, this.

Speaker 1 (14:32):
First painting is quite interesting.

Speaker 7 (14:34):
I'm little known artist constantly line me or painted it.
I suppose it has little intrinsic value. But I recognized
the scene, a little cove and riviera where I used
to go when.

Speaker 3 (14:46):
I was a child. That's a big goal, isn't it?

Speaker 5 (14:49):
Yes?

Speaker 3 (14:50):
And ab yes.

Speaker 7 (14:53):
When I first got it, I thought it was the
answer to all.

Speaker 3 (14:56):
My dream It isn't.

Speaker 1 (14:59):
So I'm not worth not of us.

Speaker 3 (15:00):
So you can make things worthwhile again, we can learn
how to dream again.

Speaker 7 (15:04):
Please, Harry, I'm hurting my hands, you're hurting my heart.

Speaker 3 (15:09):
And as I don't I'm not holding you back.

Speaker 4 (15:11):
But sometimes when we've been hurt, we built up the
world around ourselves. I know, because I've been hurt, I've
been lonely. Maybe neither of us has to be lonely again. No, Harry, please,
I didn't intend to kiss you by first.

Speaker 1 (15:28):
Huh.

Speaker 7 (15:31):
I think maybe I'd better go back to my other guests.
When you're ready to rejoin the others, just pull the
door firmly.

Speaker 5 (15:37):
It's self rocking.

Speaker 4 (15:45):
The downway is in the separate one of the house
and connected to a small sitting room. It only the
self locking door between the sitting room had a large
French door that I do. A small bactor on the street,
as I said, and i'd feet below on the other
side of the sitting room is a.

Speaker 3 (15:57):
Good while maybe six a servant. It must few miles away.

Speaker 1 (16:01):
There's a set up.

Speaker 4 (16:03):
And Harryline wasn't going to give this set up away
for any twenty five percent of the Ruben's value. And
for enders take his twenty five percent, it's going to
be seventy five for me wedge to match in the lock.
And then I rejoined the gay party of the Badding diplomats.

Speaker 3 (16:18):
Well, there you are.

Speaker 1 (16:19):
The boys. Did you manage to come out to the
pigetto under your count?

Speaker 3 (16:22):
It wasn't quite fit all.

Speaker 4 (16:25):
Get a ride tea from some of Minica's faddings, get
some real beauties, doesn't well, let's.

Speaker 3 (16:30):
Say she possesses real beauty.

Speaker 1 (16:32):
Oh well put?

Speaker 10 (16:34):
Oh by well put? Have I dreamt?

Speaker 9 (16:36):
I really have to be going, and let see if
you excuse me yet, I don't expect a busy day tomorrow.

Speaker 4 (16:42):
Office side. You must go reason about the scene is
the dorminally so I don't want to take you away
from the other guests.

Speaker 1 (16:48):
Good than you? Well you are leavings in your line.

Speaker 3 (16:56):
Yes, yes, I have to be growing, so I really
get where you go. I just had a little accident
the button off my coat. You wouldn't have to have
a needle when doing lego a guja eo Peder has
but idea in.

Speaker 4 (17:11):
The cloak room and a pair of scissors and a
sharp knight of a razor blades something of that kind.

Speaker 3 (17:15):
You have one you have here?

Speaker 4 (17:18):
H see needle bread or at a blade you want?
But no, no, no, no, thanks very much. I acognlage.
I hate to keep troubling you. But suddenly, suddenly, I
seem to be very thirsty. Do you think I might
have a grass of water? I thank you if you
could get it? Why I sew this on, of course,
none at all.

Speaker 3 (17:36):
Take take your time, Take take all the time in
the world.

Speaker 4 (17:46):
This was the one dangerous element in the whole scheme.
I've been seen now. I waited into the obliging painter
was out of sight, and I slipped on the cord.
You wouldn't start of trust me, fly go, I gues
you sew it? You are busy kind of spach. You
slipped through the sitting room and containing my rubbings, took
the little match stick out and made the lock click,
reassuring things. But just in case someone should come in,

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I took a position behind a heavy bow of the drape.
Hours later, I could hear the other guests take the departure,
the servants locking windows and doors. Someone rattled the doorknob
at the gallery and then went away. I heard Melissa's
door open and closed, but still I remained motionless and
I ready until almost dawn, till the silence was thick

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and heavy, stopped the way I approached the priceless painting.
I took the raise and slipped the candle neatly from
the front, rowed it up and slipped in the lining
of my coat. A few hard stitches took out of
the rip I'd made for it. Held my breath and
I tipped over to the door and opened it gentrily

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and crossed to.

Speaker 3 (18:54):
The French door that led to the balcony.

Speaker 4 (18:57):
Below was the street and safety. That's worth easily. I
started to turn the handle.

Speaker 3 (19:10):
Oh my ankle, No, no, don't you.

Speaker 1 (19:17):
Is sounded on to your set. Stand up my.

Speaker 3 (19:21):
Ankles telling me you called me callas.

Speaker 1 (19:26):
That's your life than you say?

Speaker 10 (19:30):
No, what in the world is going on?

Speaker 3 (19:33):
We have got for your burglar, a burglar he is
stand your line.

Speaker 5 (19:45):
I call the politia wait to commute Carlo. Harry, what
is the meaning of this?

Speaker 1 (19:51):
What were you doing in my gather?

Speaker 3 (19:53):
I wasn't doing a girl. I could explain a whole
thing very easily if we were alone. Not leave you
alone with him, Senorita. I think I try to harm you.

Speaker 7 (20:01):
No, Harry, I don't don't right, Pedro callos wait outside.

Speaker 3 (20:05):
We have five guns ready you call it. You need
us huh and no funny business?

Speaker 6 (20:10):
And your line?

Speaker 3 (20:16):
Well, Harry and I did a silly thing.

Speaker 4 (20:19):
I guess you wouldn't talk to me, Alu, and I
had so much to tell you, things I couldn't say
before your other guests. When I came back to steal something.
I came back to steal a few hours alone with you,
so I tried to sneak out, and well, you know
the rest.

Speaker 7 (20:37):
You're going to meet Carlos and Pedro very.

Speaker 1 (20:39):
Unhappy Latron, Oh cool, Your uncle hurts.

Speaker 7 (20:46):
You very much.

Speaker 3 (20:47):
When you look at me like that, I can't feel
any pain.

Speaker 5 (20:51):
You better go back to your hotel.

Speaker 3 (20:53):
Yes, I guess i'd better go friend for the.

Speaker 7 (20:56):
Woman in my car.

Speaker 1 (20:56):
Pedro can't take you.

Speaker 3 (20:58):
You're very kind, and said.

Speaker 4 (21:01):
Monday morning came whether to new speaker. Probably can my descriptions,
but no I mentioned lady for some reasons. Could I
had not been pretty good theft and the old line
triump had been more effective than I thought, so I
wasn't taking any chances. I made my way most carefully
for galleys of Senior Fellow pass, and this time I

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insisted on seeing it.

Speaker 1 (21:30):
You should not have crossed the way in Hardie.

Speaker 3 (21:33):
I told you I had to see you, and you'll
be happy to see me, What in the well are
you doing? Just trom moving a little painting. I happened
to pick up look the rumor. That's right. I need
the money for it right away. One I have to
get out of the country now.

Speaker 4 (21:48):
Obviously I get seventy five percent this time, because I
know you haven't got that much cash hang around.

Speaker 3 (21:53):
But I thought you could give me as much as
you have now, enough to pray you what this is worth?

Speaker 5 (21:58):
Oh?

Speaker 7 (21:58):
What?

Speaker 5 (21:59):
This is not an original.

Speaker 3 (22:01):
Roument, Baddy, But you are the one who I have
never seen it.

Speaker 5 (22:05):
When we discuss the matter.

Speaker 1 (22:06):
It's a good copy, a very good copy, worth one hundred.

Speaker 4 (22:09):
Dollars perhaps, So that's what she meant. It's it's almost worthless.

Speaker 3 (22:16):
I was worried about him morale. What's her game? One?

Speaker 5 (22:20):
I suppose a very old one insuring a fake per
meeting someone to steal.

Speaker 10 (22:24):
It and giving him up full time to make a getaway.

Speaker 6 (22:26):
And then suddenly discovering the loss and reporting you to
the insurance company.

Speaker 3 (22:30):
So now the insurance affects today after me, and for
a hundred dollar copy.

Speaker 5 (22:33):
Those insurance investigators are always the most of the men.

Speaker 3 (22:36):
And she's in a career. If I'm hot she didn't
dream it was a copy. If I make a galloway,
she's ready. It was all window dressing, our servants, the house.

Speaker 1 (22:44):
You never better leave.

Speaker 3 (22:45):
Paddy Adro makes a lovely with me. He even gave
me the razor blade.

Speaker 6 (22:49):
I use.

Speaker 1 (22:49):
I have a friend he owns a.

Speaker 5 (22:50):
Small freight and sales.

Speaker 3 (22:51):
In a few hours.

Speaker 5 (22:52):
I'll call him the Natalie said, it's more than the
person win.

Speaker 3 (22:56):
I find it. I'm I'm sorry, man, I'm a little
short of.

Speaker 6 (23:01):
One hundred dollars with the Ruben's coffee.

Speaker 3 (23:03):
I don't know what I can do with it.

Speaker 5 (23:04):
This kipper of the flight is a friend of mine.

Speaker 1 (23:06):
He will not charge you more than one hundred dollars.

Speaker 4 (23:09):
Okay, well, good by a man. I suppose I just
encountered one of the hazards as a profession. Thanks for
one hundred herenwelcome.

Speaker 5 (23:20):
He's gone.

Speaker 1 (23:21):
Yes day you can come out.

Speaker 7 (23:24):
I don't know how I can ever thank you. You
were my only chance I had to confusing your friend age.

Speaker 5 (23:30):
It was a great pleasure to save your masterpiece.

Speaker 3 (23:32):
That wasn't all you say.

Speaker 5 (23:34):
If I'd called the police last night, there would have
been no way of explaining.

Speaker 7 (23:37):
The presence of an attractive man in my home at
at all. The one who'd been present.

Speaker 5 (23:42):
He would have been compromising.

Speaker 7 (23:44):
I never could have obtained my devorce. My only reason
to being in Buenos Aiales would have been shattered, my
monks being rude to every man who looked at me,
as my husband's agents could misinterpret my friendships.

Speaker 6 (23:56):
You know, I'm beginning to think I was never cut
out with this business spanierself food, sentimental like cary Line.

Speaker 10 (24:03):
I might have made a fortune out of this splain
getting back for a hundred dollars, but with no profit
to me, all I accomplished was the saving of a
woman's reputation, a perishable commodity at best.

Speaker 1 (24:38):
Every lion returned in just the month, and now very lie.

Speaker 4 (25:38):
Because I hadn't witnessed that last scene, I reconstructed it
later in a few newspaper clippings.

Speaker 3 (25:43):
One reported the final.

Speaker 4 (25:44):
Divorce of Melisa Corde, former wife of a Nazi munitions manufacturer.
Another reported her marriage to Senor One Ferndez, well known
Argentinian art dealer, and a third, which must have been
the leased of the press in anticipation of my reading
in some way priceless work.

Speaker 3 (26:01):
A lot has been a covering for a hundred dollars award.
It's been a work a lot of it.

Speaker 11 (26:11):
Intat in.

Speaker 7 (26:58):
It, it's in the.

Speaker 11 (27:05):
Intent exactly.

Speaker 3 (27:09):
Intation in a change is

Speaker 11 (27:15):
In its
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