Changing Your Opinion Will Make You Healthier: The Lonely Road

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:01):
Welcome back to the Lonely Road. We're here to join
you on your journey to heal and become a better human.
Many of you guys know me from my job or
my other podcast, and this is gonna be a very
different show. As always, we're here to help you, make
you a better person and try and show you the
light and some things that some people really really kind
of struggle seeing. kJ How have you been, How the

(00:23):
hell are you?

Speaker 2 (00:23):
Zach?

Speaker 1 (00:25):
Pretty okay, I'm doing all right.

Speaker 2 (00:28):
I'm a little on edge tonight, but hopefully this will
help that.

Speaker 1 (00:32):
It always seems to you know what I'm saying, And
I think we were saying that last week. It's like,
regardless of what mood, we go into this kind of
feeling like even if we're on edge or feeling like
you know, toes get stepped on here and there, you're
able to kind of get the thoughts out, and once
they're out, then all of a sudden, some reason, fixing
something else kind of fixes everything in your mind.

Speaker 2 (00:52):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (00:52):
I don't know if that's just me, but it always
feels that way.

Speaker 2 (00:55):
Yeah, it's uh, it just seems a reset sometimes you
just need to reset.

Speaker 1 (01:02):
You know, you're good you want me to press refresh
and we'll start again, and you're fine.

Speaker 2 (01:06):
No, No, it's been off. It's been a long week.
A lot's happening in the world, and I think it's
just it affects everybody in different ways.

Speaker 1 (01:18):
Oh, I definitely agree with that. Everything And it's not
even just like my life, for like everything that's close
and near and dear. It's like everything all at once
kind of feels chaotic.

Speaker 2 (01:29):
Yeah, everything's happening in the world, things happening in your life,
something happening at work. It just gets to be overwhelming.

Speaker 1 (01:36):
Yeah. No, it feels like everything's kind of note necessarily shit,
but it feels like everything's just so uneven right now,
and it's it's really kind of weird to grasp and
try and figure it all out, because you don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:48):
I felt that the same way, you know, for the
last couple of days, it's kind of felt off.

Speaker 1 (01:55):
Yeah, No, definitely, And I don't know. That's why I
asked if you're okay, because it's like, who the hell knows.
You're click into a video chat and sometimes it's just
like something's just not okay.

Speaker 2 (02:06):
Yeah, uh, but it's interesting you come from real life
and the people that you meet in real life, and
then you you dive into an online world and holy shit,
things are getting hateful out there, Bob. Yeah, really hateful.

(02:30):
It's nuts.

Speaker 1 (02:32):
It's scary. It's scary because I remember back when when
Bush was president. He was like the first kind of
start of like this polarization that I saw as like
a little kid. You saw the people calling him an
idiot and like just lamd basing him about dumb.

Speaker 2 (02:49):
Shit, right, right, he used to say.

Speaker 1 (02:52):
And then everybody else kind of accepted him, or maybe
not even like him, but like accepted that he was
a part of what we're going to be doing right now,
and maybe next time we can vote him out and
find somebody else. Now, it's like nobody wants to give
acceptance at all, because if you give acceptance all of
a sudden, you're a bigot. And it's like, what the

(03:13):
fuck is all of this?

Speaker 2 (03:14):
Yeah, Like, even if you don't accept the guy, you
know you don't he doesn't hit your palette in a
right way, or you don't like the way he speaks,
or or whatever the case may be, the things that
he's doing for the country are is the point, right,
And I remember I remember being very far to the

(03:40):
left because that's where I thought I was supposed to
be because I was a feeler. I was emotional, you know.

Speaker 1 (03:49):
And it just dumb question. Did you feel like you
had to be because you were a lesbian?

Speaker 2 (03:56):
I feel like that's where the people that I was
gravitating towards, that's where they were.

Speaker 1 (04:05):
So I a couple of those people. That's why I asked,
because I was like, it's weird watching you specifically because
you have transformed so far and I did too, but
like not as drastic as you did. And it's really
interesting to watch your kind of mentality around things shape
and morph depending on who you're around and stuff like that.
You're in upstate New York. Yeah, much much bluer than Utah,

(04:28):
you know what I'm saying. Yeah, and that's interesting to
watch it completely.

Speaker 2 (04:32):
But it was out in Utah, the red State, when
I was a leftist, like a leftist where I would
go to the Capitol building and stand with a bunch
of people to make a point, that kind of leftist,
the leftist where I would read a headline and then
go off and hate because of the headline and not

(04:53):
read into the I was lazy. Intellectually lazy is what
I call it. You wanna pick the headline, you want
to listen to the news broadcast and not look deeper
into the situation because that's the information that's spoon fed
to you and given to you, and you can still
live the rest of your life and be okay with it.
And that was all fine and good for me until

(05:17):
I hit a barrier that had to do with children. Yeah,
when I hit a barrier that had to do with children,
the game was off for me. And as soon as
I said, hey, I'm not really comfortable with the community
acting this way, it would can get into the specifics
if you want, but it was no, you're homophobic, bitch.

(05:38):
I am a whole gay person, a whole lesbian ass
with a whole ass wife, and you're gonna sit here
and call me homophobic because I don't. I'm not down
with you going after people's kids like what.

Speaker 1 (05:53):
That That one turned me too. Now, I'm probably just
as conservative as you are, and I probably didn't change
as much as you did, but I had a lot
of like I would have voted for Obama both times.
I agree with all of his ideologies. Now, no, but
like as a whole. I grasp why I gravitated towards

(06:13):
that side. It was the you know, oh everything can
be okay, here's more support, here's more this Like, knowing
the life that I lived at that point, it's very
hard to be like, oh, it's crazy for you to
be so far left and I'm like, no, half of
my family circle was some form of LGB, you know

(06:35):
what I'm saying, Like, and so much of that was
around me that it's kind of hard to be like, oh, yeah,
I'm very Republican. I remember hearing as a kid that
Republicans are retards, and it's like, guys, did they weren't wrong?

Speaker 2 (06:49):
Well? I was. I was. I was brought up with,
not brought up with because, to be honest with you,
she didn't talk about it. She never talked about who
she voted for. But my mom was a Republican and
she and my dad obviously was a Republican as well,
and they they were fiscally conservative. But I felt that

(07:17):
growing up and in the world, and what I grasped
from it is that Democrats were feelers and we want,
you know, the best for everybody, and the Republicans were
worried about money, and we just want things done the
way we want them done so that we can have
the best outcome money wise.

Speaker 1 (07:38):
And you see that with like my generation too. You
see that with Katie, you see that with Kayla, you
see that with everybody that kind of surrounded me. It's
like you guys wanted to give. You guys wanted to
give to situations that genuinely just were like, oh, you
have to feel and give to everybody. It's like guys

(07:59):
giving to every but he doesn't make everybody equal. That's
not how equality is me.

Speaker 2 (08:06):
Yeah, it's it's interesting. It was just so I felt
like I fit more because I was a feeler in
a democratic So when I got able to vote, I
was a Democrat. When I went out to Salt Lake City,
the red state, I was a big fat Democrat, leftist liberal,
and I drove. I drove my father crazy. But now

(08:29):
thinking about it, I'm I was.

Speaker 1 (08:32):
I was.

Speaker 2 (08:33):
I was everything that I laugh at now, like I
wasn't to the screaming in the streets point, but at
at the same token I was.

Speaker 1 (08:44):
I was.

Speaker 2 (08:46):
Blinders were on, you know, and it was that community
was very was very we believe this, we believe this,
We believe this, and if you're going to be in
our community and accepted you, we're going to you're gonna
fall it pretty much fall in line. And if the
beliefs stray from that, then you you're called names and

(09:10):
astracized and told to relinquish your gay card. Well, bitch,
roll up, I'm not giving that shit. I'm taking out
of my hand. You keyboard warrior is going to tell
me what to do, and I'm going to sit here
and still be gay married in my gay household, with
my gay job.

Speaker 1 (09:26):
That shit doesn't make sense to me. Like I remember
learning in history that we were a fucking melting pot
of essentially cheese. That we're all thrown into a fucking
pot and we're all supposed to accept each other, we're
all supposed to care. It's like, as the more that
we stray away from saying that we're just Americans, the
more that we segregate ourselves off to being this that

(09:49):
this ideology, that ideology, we're fucking slowly evolving from what
we were into a fucking salad bowl.

Speaker 2 (09:56):
And yeah, we went for sure, we went.

Speaker 1 (10:00):
Don't want to be No, You're fine. I was trying
to figure out exactly what a joke I wanted to
make and then it just stuttered.

Speaker 2 (10:06):
But no, I yeah, we went from no labels, I'm
gen X. We went from no label, society, don't label
me to you know, we're all pigeonholed now into these
situations just because I'm a lesbian, I need to believe
X y Z and I don't agree with that. So
the kids was the tipping point for me, and I

(10:26):
didn't agree with you.

Speaker 1 (10:26):
Too, So yeah, I know with that situation and like
moving towards being a Republican as well. I remember after
we had Nick, a whole bunch came out about how
they were trying to open up abortion till birth, and
that one rubbed me really really fucking wrong. It hit

(10:51):
me in the chin, and I'm like, not again, No,
this is not how this happened.

Speaker 2 (10:58):
The parties have shifted so much. Like you can stay
in one place, like, for instance, let's take Bobby Kennedy.
You can look at other people that have come from
being a even Donald Trump himself was a Democrat. The
Democratic Party is the one who shifted ideologies to more
progressive and liberal. Everything shifted over the person remained where

(11:24):
they were, and you could see the whole party shifting,
and it was something else, and so I ended up
when that happened, and they, you know, I mean, I
was basically you know, everything, but my gay card stripped.
I was the problematic older lesbian is what they call
me when I get talking about things that I don't

(11:46):
agree with that they are going on about. But my
pendulum shift shifted. My pendulum shifted right, and it shifted
over corrected. I'm gonna I'm gonna say that. And then
probably two years ago it came right back around to

(12:06):
where I was to begin with, which is a little
bit right a center, and I have I don't listen
to the conservative gatekeepers. I consider myself conservative wise, but
I also want people to be left alone to live
their lives as long as they don't push their their
lifestyles on other people. That's how I was raised.

Speaker 1 (12:29):
Yeah, And like I think, I think a lot of
people are the same exact way, and I just wish
that they would stop trying to label it, because I
think labeling it is the reason why so many people
are so against voting Republican or even just saying on
the centrist at all or whatever. It's like, I want
you to keep everything that happens in your bedroom in
your bedroom as long as it's not hurting somebody. I

(12:50):
want to not fucking hear about it. I'm not homophobic,
I'm not fucking racist. I don't I don't want to
know about it.

Speaker 2 (12:58):
Yeah, no, it's you want to.

Speaker 1 (13:01):
I don't want to answer questions to my kids. I
don't like until I'm ready to have those conversations. It's
not your job to instruct them. And I'm telling me
when I have to. No, that's crazy to me.

Speaker 2 (13:12):
Yeah, it's not your it's ridiculous job to be a
social media personality that's gonna take the kids and lure
them in and then bring them over to a discard
server and have conversations with them that their parents aren't
ready for them to be in on yet. That's just
something that I could not get on board with. And

(13:33):
I'll die on that hill absolutely with every breath that
I have. But it was interesting, it was just it
came with a lot of grief as well. You know,
you think you know the self betterment, you want to
become a better person, but your beliefs aren't really lining
up with the person you want to be. And then
when you actually look past the headline or you know,

(13:56):
with the NBC News broadcast, and you into you know, okay,
what happened, Well he changed this thing. Well why did
he change that thing? Oh well this happened. Well I
would change it too, you know what I mean. So
if people looked into the reasons and followed things more
than one, two or three degrees, I think the whole

(14:19):
world would be better off. It's it's being able to
wrap your mind around a new idea. And I don't
think a lot of people can do that.

Speaker 1 (14:27):
But you know, I don't think a lot of people
can genuinely just accept what exactly could be right from
the size that they don't want to agree with. It's
much like you when you know, you move out this
whole lake and you're like, well, my dad's so hard
stanced and he only believes this, so I must rebel
against it. He's wrong, he's wrong. He's wrong. Then it's

(14:52):
proving him right, and it fucking it almost lights a
fucking fire under your ass of like, now I have
to prove it wrong. And it's like guys, as a
country regardless, like when Biden was put in office, let
me be one hundred and ten percent. I hope that
he's not as bad as I perceive him to be.

(15:13):
Was he as bad as I perceived him to be,
He might have been worse, but as a whole, that
was my That was my take on it. It's like,
I have to believe that these people want what's best
for the country. Do we know if there's a grand
cabal that controls fucking everything? No, we don't fucking know

(15:33):
that yet. We have a couple months before we find
out a hell of a lot of fucking information that
we've wanted to know since the sixties. And guess what.
The person that brought in transparency is the fucking small
government guy.

Speaker 2 (15:49):
Yeah, but it's the perception that that he's trying to
take over, and really it's the opposite. You know, I
hated I tested Donald Trump when I was a liberal,
like could not stand it. Like my sister is the
biggest Trumpster that I know, and we were polar opposite.

(16:12):
So when I would go off the wall on something. Actually,
the one the whole switch happened with a situation with
my sister. The Supreme Court did something having to do
with with with gays and LGBT. I don't remember what
it was at the time, and I went off about
Trump doing this and Trump doing that, and she, you know, said, hey,

(16:35):
can you just read into the article and when you
come to my house because I was going over house,
and we'll talk about it. Okay, yeah, we'll talk about it.
And I read it, and I cocked my head and
I pulled up two three more articles because I don't
know what you were taught in school, but I was
taught you need to read more than just one article.

(16:58):
You need to source at least three to five article,
and then you need to take the bias out of them.
I was we were taught how to do that too,
and we were then to take the information collectively and
make our own determination on it. That was actually an
exercise that we did in class. And so she challenged me,

(17:20):
and I researched my way into realizing that I may
not like it was such a it was a transformation.
I may not like his personality, which I have kind
of changed on that some things I can do without.
But I think for the most part, it's funny now.
But but but he was he didn't hate gays. Wait,

(17:44):
this says he gave gaze x y Z. You know
what I mean. And then I looked into that more, uh,
and it was it was just astounding to me that
he wasn't the gay hater, he wasn't the racist. He wasn't,
you know, the the oligark that everybody thinks he is.

(18:06):
And the more research I did, and the more time
I did, and the more actual, full conversations I watched
of him actually speaking in full context, not just these
clips that they want you to sen you know, sensationalize,
I realized that he actually is the guy that these

(18:28):
people are scrambling about because he wants to help us
get the country back in order and then falls into
line with everything he's doing now.

Speaker 1 (18:38):
And to me, if he is twenty five percent the
person that he accuses himself of being, that is more
than enough to earn all of my respect.

Speaker 2 (18:48):
Yeah, because we all know people can self and plate,
you know.

Speaker 1 (18:51):
So my swap came from actually a very very gay
and flamboyant person, which is the funniest part about all
of this. I don't know if you heard about it.
His name is Milo Uanopolis. He was removed off Twitter,
he was removed off YouTube for a while, and everything else.
He was a gay conservative commentator and just a social
media asshole. But I'm a very loud and bombastic and

(19:16):
fucking eccentric person and I like surrounding myself with them,
And I don't I don't remember if I sent it
to you. I believe I did. I was like, weirdest
day of my life to have Milo and my DMS,
to have Brandon Herrera and my DMS, and like two
or three other conversations. I was like, this is the
weirdest full circle situation I ever had in my life.

(19:39):
But I remember he was doing to talk about a
few of the marches that were going on in New
York City, about pride and stuff like that, and he's like,
the first people are screaming, we're coming for your kids,
because you guys are forgetting about one thing. If you're
straight right now, they can't have fucking kids. That's why

(20:04):
they're coming for your kids. They're gonna make this seem cool,
they're gonna make it seem childish. They're gonna make all
of their sexuality applicable to children. Some way they can
take your children. And it's like, let me fact check this, Okay,
Why is there a fucking fair in San Francisco? Where

(20:26):
they're giving away big crazy unicorn cocks that are rainbows
and it's unicorn cock ring toss. Why is that a thing?
Why is that a thing at a fucking fair for kids? Yeah,
I'm sorry, but no, that's not okay.

Speaker 2 (20:42):
They got it got out of hand. I stopped going
to the pri events when I started seeing that it
got over a certain line and with children around, And
that's when I stopped going to the events and stopped
attending the prey or just going to the parade and
not going to the festivities or vice versa, because the

(21:04):
parade was worse than the festivities. You know, it depended
on what city you were in, where you were going.

Speaker 1 (21:10):
Is I remember as a kid, like nudity was so
frowned upon, And I understand everybody's gonna be like, oh,
de sexualized nudity. Sure, I agree, But when I'm going
through Pride, which is a sexual thing to begin with,
why is everybody three quarters naked where in lingerie? And
they're saying kids can come? That is not a kid
friendly situation. Nor should you walking down main Street naked?

Speaker 2 (21:32):
Yeah, And it's okay to have that opinion and not
be called homophobic or transphobic or whatever. You know. The
case is, it is it's ridiculous to be the first
thing people do instead of stopping and saying, okay, we
have a difference of opinion, let's kind of hash it out.
You know, what's your opinion, My opinion will meet somewhere

(21:55):
in the middle, and you know, agree to disagree. Nowadays,
it's we're going to go into our bag of insults
and throw as many at you as we can humanly
throw at you because of the age of this screen
is in front of me and not your face, you know,
because most people wouldn't say those things to somebody's face

(22:17):
full chested.

Speaker 1 (22:19):
Oh. And it's like now because having a screen up
in front of people has happened for like ten fifteen
years consistently. Now now they're not afraid to say it
to your face because they're used to there not being
any consequences saying anything at all. Then I can now
speak from my high horse. I'm right. Every single social

(22:40):
media says I'm right. And guess what, you're now muted
because you're a bigot.

Speaker 2 (22:45):
And here's the thing about New York. The thing about
New York is that we have this bullshit called bail reform,
and we get to punch that person square in the
nose and teach them a lesson. Be out in an hour.
The fine. So I'm not playing those games with people,

(23:06):
like I don't want to assault anybody. But you're not
gonna come at me either, because I have a sticker
on my bottle. Yeah you know what I mean. You're
not going to And on the other side of my bottle.
I have this sticker because why because that person's not

(23:28):
as hateful as you think he is. But everybody's telling
you to believe that, So you believe it because all
the people around you you trust. That's where I was.
I was in a bubble of people I thought I
could trust, and there was only probably a handful of
them that I could. But coming out of it, the
grief that I have is that I don't have most

(23:49):
of those friends anymore. Yeah, everything one person in Salt
Lake City that I still talk to, and that's my daughter.
One person. Because I don't follow that ideology. I don't
blame them for following it or having the beliefs that
they have. And I still love my friends.

Speaker 1 (24:10):
There is somebody from that circle, and I'm not going
to say who. I'll post it in the chat if
you want me to, where you can pick up on
context of who it was from that circle that openly
called me racist on Facebook really and that I was
a bigot and that I was an asshole because I
said that, Hey, I see everybody as equal. It doesn't

(24:33):
matter to me what your skin tone is. Every single
person around me gets treated with the same level of respect.
I'm not going to give somebody more respect just because
they have a certain skin color. I love every single
person that's around me, and I'm going to give every
single person that level of care because that's what they deserve.

Speaker 2 (24:50):
Yeah, it's the insult throwing that tells more about that
person than it does about you. If they can hurl
insults at you without even hearing a context of what
you have to say, then that absolutely says more about
them than it doesn't.

Speaker 1 (25:06):
It disgusted me when you know those people become heads
or start leading things within a state to be like, oh,
we're reformists. You're lucky you have a voice. Yeah, because
in most circles, you are the person that everybody shuts
the fuck up because they don't want to hear your shit.

Speaker 3 (25:26):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (25:27):
Yeah, it's it gets. It was very, very disheartening for
me to and and it came to the point where
I I absolutely closed my mouth on Facebook because that's
where the people I knew were and I didn't really
know what to do. I hated the idea of TikTok

(25:47):
at the time, so I just started posting videos on YouTube,
just my thoughts, just putting them on YouTube, kind of
like a diary vlog, even just for myself. I didn't
care about views. I didn't care about any of this crap.
I don't want to be monetized. But I just needed
to get it out because I was driving my wife crazy,
you know. And so it was an outlet and it
still is an outlet that I use. But then one

(26:13):
of my friends was like, this would be amazing on TikTok.
You'd do great. I got up to twenty five thousand
followers I got on TikTok. Boom boom boom boom boom
boom boom. Everybody just started and I just kept making
the videos, making the videos, making the videos. And that
was when my pendulum was swinging way right. So right
wing lesbian everybody was just you know, coming and flocking

(26:35):
and it was it was okay, you know, I there
was a lot of the internet trolling and you know,
going about, you know, what my teeth were doing, or
what my collar was doing, or my shirt wasn't perfect
that day, or whatever the case may be. And so
I got over that. But at the same time, there
were the constant attacks of the type of content I

(26:58):
was doing, which was pulled and it was right leading
political stuff, and so I got banned at twenty five
thousand over twenty five thousand and five, and I'm back,
and I only have a couple thousand, and I don't
care because the people that interact are fun to chill with,
you know, and I don't have to worry about all

(27:18):
the other stuff exactly.

Speaker 1 (27:22):
It's like, I'm gonna sit here and enjoy every single
second of this because you know, it doesn't matter if
it hits a million, which in might who the fuck
knows in my head zero, Well, guess what I'm gonna
I'm gonna keep talking every single bit of shit I
fucking feel like, because I'd rather speak openly than sit

(27:42):
here and bullshit my way to the top.

Speaker 2 (27:44):
Yeah, because it helps me, even though I might not
be talking about exactly what's going on that had me
in the snit at the beginning of the video. I
feel better because I'm talking about something that I care
about and that actually matters, and it does matter. It
matters to be able to open up your frame of

(28:04):
mind for something that you believe, take in new information
that you may not have known, and form a different
opinion or a more robust opinion. That's okay.

Speaker 1 (28:16):
I have a question for you. Actually I see this,
but I don't want to just, you know, give it
confirmation bias. Do you feel better about yourself and like
the person you are and everything else now that you've
actually changed ideology back to where you normally would have
been without other people inflecting on it.

Speaker 2 (28:33):
Yes. I not that being right leaning makes me feel
more sanctimonious or none.

Speaker 1 (28:42):
No, no like that.

Speaker 2 (28:45):
Yeah, And I just wanted to make that clear for
the audience anybody that may be listening. And that's not
how I feel at all. But I really feel like
who I was authentically at the beginning of my life
until I was about eight. I've seen nineteen years old
going away to college. It absolutely does what they say

(29:07):
it does. There are breadcrumbs and then there are trails
that lead to certain thought processes and you don't even
realize that it's happening. So I feel like I was
kind of and I do look inward and I know
why it happened, and I changed those things about myself.

(29:27):
But I feel like I was kind of led because
I was looking for validation outside. I was led down
a path that I would not have necessarily traveled had
I not been led there, see have traveled that on
my own.

Speaker 1 (29:45):
It's crazy because I felt that myself and I kind
of shifted the way that I parent people Madison and
soon to be Nick with Like, I don't want you
just to trend seek and find a new trend in
grasp onto it when it's an ideology thing. Like if
you feel, oh, I want to dress in black, go

(30:06):
dress in black. I don't give a fuck, right, but
I don't want you finding like the fucking anarchists, becoming
an anarchist because you think it's cool, you're going to
fuck up your entire life. Think about this a little
bit more logically, but personally to me, like, I felt
like it was so easy to become a democrat or

(30:29):
very left leaning because they did do all of the
accepting they did the whole you're this and you don't
have to change shit, and there was no kind of
bounds to it. Like I don't know if it's just
because I didn't have boundaries or what, but it was
very very easy for me to fall into that aspect
of like, oh, it's okay not to have boundaries. It's

(30:49):
okay to just you know, being me, and being me
is okay. Not having to fix myself.

Speaker 2 (30:58):
Yeah, not having those boundaries that you don't have to
look within. So you also don't have those boundaries from
people coming at you Because you don't have them with yourself,
you don't have them with other people, and so it
allows them to do things and say things and come
at you in ways that you wouldn't necessarily have accepted

(31:18):
or want to accept. And it it's interesting because as
I feel myself coming back to myself more honing in
on your question, I just feel because I've taken all
that outside noise and I've blocked it off and I'm

(31:42):
back with my own thoughts, my own opinions. I don't
watch cable news, I don't read huff Post or the
puff pieces. It's sensational stuff that comes across at work,
because that's what you have being MSN. Whatever comes across

(32:04):
their news feed. It's it's interesting because I'll see a
headline now, and I'll be like, oh, is that right?
Let's see what really happened. And I'll go on the
computer and I'll look up at least three articles and
I'll do my deductive reasoning and I'll be like, oh,
and that this happened. That happened, that happened, and that's

(32:25):
why this happened. But of course they're not going to
tell you all these things because it makes this side
look bad or that side look better, or whatever the case.

Speaker 1 (32:34):
Crazy. In twenty sixteen, I had an interview with Huffington
Post because they were going to hire me. The same year,
I voted for Donald Trump, and my ex wife was
bawling her eyes out because I'm ruining the country.

Speaker 2 (32:52):
That's funny. I know somebody that told their significant other
if if they did vote for them, that wasn't they
weren't the person that they thought they would be, and
they probably are. Yeah, I got that too, and and
and so it was. It's interesting because if you love
somebody that much, do you you can take a second

(33:15):
and understand where they're coming from, you know. And it's interesting.

Speaker 1 (33:21):
If you cannot get out of your own feels and
understand where somebody else's opinion is, then you're not in
a relationship. You're in a dictatorship.

Speaker 2 (33:30):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (33:33):
And if that's the only way that you perceive the world,
if that's the only thing that you can like focus
in on is your feelings in a situation, you have
no care about anybody else in the situation. You're a
controlling dictator. You are the person that they accused Donald
Trump of being.

Speaker 2 (33:53):
Well, yeah, I mean if you think about it, you know,
along the thing thing is that they point at with
him are the things that they're actually being. They're the
ones calling names, they're the ones policing speech. You know,
we can't say these things and those things, or we're

(34:15):
racist or homophobic, or they're going out of their gords
because the man is doing an audit. Now, the word
audit may be scary to people because people education level
has gone down so much that people don't understand that
an audit's done every single day in every single business

(34:36):
in the United States of America, like that it's just
a regular for a business. And the United States is
one big business funded by our money, my money, your money,
your money, your money, everybody who's watching this podcast and
beyond in America's money. And so all he's doing is

(34:58):
going through each agency and line by line checking to
see what's happened. And if anybody has taken a look,
some of those line by line items aren't palatable with
more than half of America. And it is just the
most horrible thing in the world that this is happening,
because it is orange Man in Spaceman.

Speaker 1 (35:19):
And honestly, if you look at this in the craziest
light ever, I wish people would look at it this way.
These millions and millions of dollars that they're finding change
is one thing, right because you would assume every two
two adults would be a family, and there's only one

(35:41):
tax exchange for each one of them. And then you know,
you have to add five or six people in that household,
so it's five person household instead of just two, just
by going by averages and stuff like that. So now
you're moving that you know, four thousand dollars tax refund
to about twelve thousand dollars per household now and now

(36:02):
multiply that since the first term of Obama in office,
because that's when this political shit changed. It might have
changed before that. I'm not discrediting that. I'm not saying
that there wasn't shit going on with Clinton. I'm not
saying that there wasn't shit going on with Bush. But
when you look at a divisive line of what happened

(36:23):
with all of the riots and everything else that happened
during Obama's term of Oh, police brutality, this happened. Oh
black versus white again, that happened again. There was money
going into those situations from our government making them worse actively,
whether it's his rhetoric or monetary funds, and those things

(36:43):
are going to affect your pocket, whether you realize it
or not. My boss has said this on the podcast
years ago that I wish that there was a fucking
spreadsheet that we were given every single year. And it's like, Okay,
if you support the military industrial complex and you want
to be the number one fucking thing in the world,
check this box. Yeah, okay, let's go. I don't care

(37:06):
if it goes for a fucking fin on a ballistic missile,
let me pay for it. It's fine. But like, let people
actually say, hey, put some of mine in this and
this and this and that, and like, let us actually
vote with our dollars about what we want to do.

Speaker 2 (37:22):
Yeah. Yeah, And that would be too transparent because right now,
with all the transparency and they are, they're listening it
out on dose the White House website. There's an actual
website with I didn't I wrote it down Dose Happenings
or whatever, and it it gives exactly what they're doing
every day, what they're finding, and it's all transparent, but

(37:42):
they're they're just I And to tie it in with
what you just said with Obama, I feel like that's
when I started to get very polarized as well as
far as that's when I felt polarization start. I was
raised to, you know, treat everybody, you know, everybody the
same and and then adjust to how they treat you.

(38:03):
And that's how I lived my life until about the
Obama era and everything started becoming racial and putting everybody
into a pigeonhole with sexuality and making all these labels.
And to be honest, it was right around the same
time that Obama made it okay for the media to

(38:23):
start their propaganda, meaning they can tell us have truths
and not full stories, and actually that sometimes lies.

Speaker 1 (38:34):
And you know, every single fucking person hates it. And
that's the shit that I can't fucking stand is like,
how many people scroll past a fucking weird ass post
that says these the top ten things that you could
change in your life that would affect you. Number seven
will blow your mind. Nobody fucking wants to see that

(38:54):
as an article on a fucking news website. Not a
single fucking person, No, not how many times number seven
has blown my fucking mind zero, because you know it's true.
You know, every single fucking BuzzFeed article that every single
retard decides to click about how sexuality will blow your

(39:17):
mind and if you lick it this way, it'll change everything.
You know, how many people genuinely give a fuck?

Speaker 2 (39:26):
As FA would say, double goose egg.

Speaker 1 (39:30):
The only people that give a fuck about that shit
are the people that only want to watch fucking BuzzFeed
articles for every single fucking take they have. And that's
not how we should run the country. That's not how
we should run our fucking lives. If you run your
life based off of a fucking article, some douchebag who's
never seen the floor of a fucking house, typed out,

(39:55):
but you're not living life.

Speaker 2 (39:58):
I really think that the newest generation is coming back
around to common sense though, and they're starting to say,
uh no, that doesn't make sense, bullshit, and you're not
going to tell me otherwise, and they just go forward.
And I believe that it's us that have helped them
to be that way, and I think it's great. You know,

(40:19):
like your son, he does no harm but takes no shit,
and I that's that's that's my motto, dude, don't do
no harm, take no shit. But you don't need to
be hurling insults online at someone and kicking them out
of entire gay communities because they have a line that

(40:42):
they're drawing in this cement about children. That's something we
all should agree on, is protecting.

Speaker 1 (40:48):
Do you want to give you my opinion? If you
want to come at me, I'm going to come at
you with the full entire fucking power of this microphone.
And guess what, my microphone carries a hell of a
lot more ways than your keyboard. That's how I see it. Is, Like,
you know, this is exactly like going to a comedy

(41:08):
club and trying to be the funny guy and throwing
a hackle at somebody. Your comment's going to be seen
by hundreds of people. My post will be seen by
thousands or hundreds of thousands. There's a difference. People like
me people don't like you.

Speaker 2 (41:28):
Then either way, I mean, even if it is somebody
that could punch down on you, it doesn't matter. It
comes down to the type of person that you want
to be. And if you want to be somebody that
will spout off and insults at people because it makes
you feel better about your positions, then by all means,

(41:49):
be that human. But I've decided that I don't want
to be in that boat anymore. That's not who I
was to begin with. I was put in that boat
by things that I thought I needed in my life
that I didn't And and so I on my journey
back to being who I am my reboot, I'm not

(42:10):
gonna Yeah, I lost a lot of people that I
acquainted with. I can't call a lot of them friends
because they would not have. They would not have turned
their backs on me without explanation. They would not have.
They would not have. You know, they would not have

(42:32):
stopped a friendship with me because I believed something different.
And that's the big thing these days is people just
to decide that they want to polarize situations. Things don't
have to be so polarized. Like there's a whole a

(42:52):
train of people out there that are of the thing
that if you even smelled in the direction of voting
for Donald's, you are a piece of shit and you
don't deserve to walk the face of the planet. That's
that's and that's not extreme. That's that's not that's not extreme.
I've had death threats, and that's not extreme.

Speaker 1 (43:13):
That's my point is like I've had death threats, Like,
what are you talking about? Because I'm a white man,
I don't deserve to live. Fuck yourself, honestly, fuck yourself.
Sit down on the big fucking stick that you decide
to carry and hit people with. Yeah, you know, I
I taught my kids in this exact kind of phrase,
and I love learning the time period that it's on

(43:34):
because I thought it was FDR instead of Teddy Roosevelt
speaks awfully. But carry a big stick and you'll go far.
It's not about, you know, swinging at every single little
thing that is in front of you. It is about
fucking hitting every single thing out of the park you
decide to swing it. It is like this talks about

(43:56):
how it's about foreign policy and stuff like that, but
like even in your life.

Speaker 2 (44:00):
Yeah'll get your ducks in a row, do your ship,
do your research so that you can have something solid
at the end of it.

Speaker 1 (44:07):
Yeah, it's not about you know, just sitting here spouting
off at every single little thing that that micro aggresses you,
like that that ship used to piss me off to
no fucking end. What triggers you had no fucking meaning
to me? Unless I mean something to you, don't come
at me and say you're fucking triggered because I'm gonna

(44:29):
make a joke, and the joke you're not gonna like
very much.

Speaker 2 (44:34):
Yeah. I just found that on my path back away
from the Left, I just feel more solid in my decisions,
I feel more solid in my speech, I feel more
I feel more solid on solid ground.

Speaker 1 (44:52):
It feels like everything that you're building.

Speaker 2 (44:54):
On almost for a second, I gotta be rebeca.

Speaker 3 (46:00):
Yeah, sorry about that.

Speaker 1 (46:31):
And so my point was like, it's almost like the
ground that you build on, especially on the last now,
is like so obscure and uneasy that it's really kind
of hard to build on because like you're not building

(46:53):
off of something that has morality, you're not building on
something that's rigid, you're building on something that could ever change.
And if you step out of line, you're automatically a bigot,
you're automatically racist, you're automatically homophobic. And it's like these
terms don't even mean anything anymore. No, every single person
is being called them, like you, out of all people,

(47:17):
am I a racist?

Speaker 2 (47:20):
I've never gotten that vibe at all in any No.

Speaker 1 (47:26):
No, most friends my entire fucking life were black. What
the fuck are you talking about? And it's just like
because I'm saying, hey, they should pull themselves up and
push themselves together and stop selling drugs and doing things
that are negative to their communities, that automatically makes me
a racist White people doing that either, No.

Speaker 2 (47:47):
People in their own community, people in the black community
want people to stop doing that to make their own
communities better. So that doesn't make us racist because we're
white saying it. We're saying the same thing in the
black community is saying. But you know, it's just like
with with me, like it's crazy because people just last
week somebody went out my life because she you know

(48:08):
about you know, all this polarization with Donald Trump and
the things that he's doing. And she was just like, look,
I don't know who you, you know, heterosexual married woman,
have any skin in the game of my gay marriage, Like,

(48:28):
you have no idea what it's like to walk in
my shoes. So how come you're pigeonholing me into I
have to believe this. You can't tell me that all
trans people are good and nobody's going to attack anybody
in the bathroom, which because it's already happened, and that's
why there's issues, that's why the pendulum has swung all
the way to the other end, and they have taken

(48:52):
our community, crumpled it up and throw it into gam
garbage because it's it's absolutely not what's what's happened. Like,
you can only talk people for so long before people
have that, you know, gay acceptance that people used to
be after. Well they're not after that anymore. They don't
give a shit. They just want a shock at all.

(49:12):
And I'm not with it.

Speaker 1 (49:14):
No to me. And obviously I remember a lot of
your stories. I remember a lot of Jessica stories and
stuff like that. I remember a lot of that stuff.
But I think my litt was right. It changed from
fighting for equality, which is I get married, you leave
me the fuck alone. We make jokes at each other's expense,
to I'm now god almost I dictate what happens now

(49:39):
because I'm a minority and you have to fucking accept it.
And I hate that fucking ideology. Yeah, no, I don't care.
Like if I'm equal to everyone, which is what I'm
supposed to be, my skin color, my sexual orientation, and
the fact that I do or don't have a dick
should not fucking matter, like as a whole, that's none
of those three things should be the deciding factor on

(50:01):
if you listen to me or not.

Speaker 2 (50:03):
Most of us gay by trans who actually were around
for a stone wall, didn't fight for extra special rights.
We fought for equal rights. Mm And the last I checked,
I'm legally gay married.

Speaker 1 (50:23):
I don't know what day has to be in front
of it personally like to me, But there's a.

Speaker 2 (50:29):
Lot of people that there's a lot of people that
want to take that and strip it away because it
is not. That's what I call about gatekeeping conservativeness, because
if you if you, if you think about it, I
don't belong there either. If people want to gate keep.
If you want to ask Stephen Crowder, I don't. I'm not
I'm not conservative, but I don't give a fuck with

(50:50):
Stephen Crowder thinks because Steven Crowder can't keep conservatism.

Speaker 1 (50:55):
To me, like the ideology by itself is completely separate
from the figureheads or the certain ideologies that you disagree with.
This is a fucking befet of ideology. It's not I
have to accept one and feel pigeonholed the same way
you did for fucking twenty years. That's not how you
have to live life. That's not what you have to do.
If you say, hey, I don't fucking like abortion, I

(51:16):
want gay rights, but I also want to be able
to shoot a gun if I need to defend myself,
where the fuck do you go?

Speaker 2 (51:22):
Oh?

Speaker 1 (51:22):
Wait, you actually go conservative? Because the gay marriage part
of that is not the thing that you fight. Republicans
should not be fighting gay marriage at all. If they
wanted to argue and say, hey, you can't force a
church to marry you because the church doesn't believe in it,
I might even say your argument's kind of valid. Let

(51:44):
them get married and let it be equal.

Speaker 2 (51:46):
And that's the big thing I learned whenever I went
over a TikTok is that the ideology that I always
was taught on the left was that Republicans say to gays, well,
guess what twenty five thousand Republicans said that they didn't,
and it was this is just me, little me from Quodunk,
New York.

Speaker 1 (52:06):
And even the like super super religious retard ones, the
ones that don't believe that that your marriage is actually
a valid thing. We'll tell you. They don't hate the sinner,
they hate the sin. They hate where you lay, not
what you're doing. You know what I'm saying, it's like
as a whole, like I'm not saying I agree with it,
but at the same time that sounds more accepting than

(52:28):
you better accept my ideology.

Speaker 2 (52:30):
It could, but then you're bringing religion in and using
it as a clobber.

Speaker 1 (52:35):
I completely agree, you know, as a whole, I get it.

Speaker 2 (52:38):
I get it. It's it's it's the way to accept
it surrounding in their mind and in their Christian mind.
That's what the Bible says. Even though I don't agree
with that, but that being said, it is what it is.
I just don't believe. I just can't believe that in
twenty twenty five, we're still calling each other names as adults,

(53:03):
as full ass fucking adults on the internet. We can't
have a conversation.

Speaker 1 (53:08):
Disagree trying to cause hard Like if we sit here
and call somebody a tard, or sit there and call
somebody a dipshit like that, that's normal ship. We're bantering
back and forth, that's okay.

Speaker 2 (53:22):
No, But online as somebody, uh, somebody comments on a
comedian's page that they don't they didn't like the halftime show,
and all of a sudden he tags their freaking employer
and gets them fired for being racist because they didn't
enjoy the halftime show? What what the fuck were we doing? Like?

(53:48):
This is not okay, It's not okay. When you look
in would you like to be treated that way? No,
you would not like to be treated that way at all,
So don't treat somebody else that way. It seems corn
but goddamn.

Speaker 1 (54:01):
First off, love fucking Kendrick Show did a fantastic fucking job.
Very fucking proud of him. He had the balls that
a lot of people genuinely don't, and I think that
that should absolutely be applauded by a majority of the right.
Funnily enough, they are the people that don't understand it.
And crazy Uncle Bob down the road who's drunk fucking

(54:24):
too many six packs still doesn't deserve to have his
fucking life canceled because he doesn't agree with you. Right right,
I don't know. I don't have a crazy uncle Bob,
but still like sent himents the same, regardless of make
sure you're right or left. You don't deserve to fucking
lose everything because me and you disagree.

Speaker 2 (54:45):
No, this cancel culture, because cancel culture. Bullshit is for
the birds. It's They're just a bunch of fucking bullies,
is all it is.

Speaker 1 (54:54):
No, they give you bad name because that's all they are.
They're a bunch of fucking caring It's all they fucking are.

Speaker 2 (55:02):
Thank you.

Speaker 1 (55:03):
They turned an acceptable name into an absolute dog ass,
fucking dingleberry fucking name that no kids should ever have.
You don't want to be like, look at my baby
Karen too. You're gonna cut her into a fucking mullet
cut within twenty days, Like what are you doing?

Speaker 2 (55:20):
So? Like, fuck man, Yeah, it's getting to crazy point,
but I think that a lot of people are just
kind of cutting it out and once they have an
interaction with somebody online, much like myself, I'm finding if
the exchange of information isn't mutually respectful, the people that

(55:40):
have already that have already settled themselves with the situation
whatever way they believe, will bow out of the conversation
and move on to something else, because those people are
not wounded inside to be baited and her insults at others.

Speaker 1 (56:02):
In my opinion, to me, if you're not going to
come at this conversation with us both coming at it
and being accepting that the other person's being genuine, because
I think that that's the hardest part that everybody genuinely
struggles with. It's not okay, you're right or wrong, It's
do I feel like you're being an asshole or not?

(56:23):
We're not having a conversation, then that's it. If you
cannot understand that I'm a genuine person and have genuine
feelings or feel this specific way because of things that
I dealt with in my life and they're genuinely a
reason why I think this way, then genuinely you are
not a human. You don't care about other people, You
genuinely don't.

Speaker 2 (56:43):
Yeah, And again, as I said more towards the beginning,
it says more about that person than it does about you.
The insults that they're hurling at the other person. It does,
whether they think it does or not, it absolutely does.
And it's going to come to a time in their
life where they're there and they're alone or they're not
happy where they are, and they're going to look back

(57:04):
on their life and they're going to realize why these
points in time where they didn't give acceptance. So they're
not getting acceptance because karma was a bitch.

Speaker 1 (57:11):
Like that, And it's insane, Like I remember being shit
on because of where I lived by a person who
also graduated from the same high school I graduated from. Crazy,
How the fuck do you think you can just all
of a sudden speak and tell me that I'm racist
because I went to the same school you did.

Speaker 2 (57:29):
What does that make you?

Speaker 1 (57:31):
We're either the same or we both can understand the
context of the world, you fucking dip shit one or
the other. Which one? And then like being told that
my kids are always going to be more than their
cousins or family members because they're fully white when they're not.
It's fucking insane to me.

Speaker 2 (57:48):
No, No, that's bullshit, and we never believed that, never
would believe that. But those things are put into the
space where we belong because of somebody that we may
have voted for.

Speaker 1 (58:01):
It's crazy, and it sucks. It sucks because a lot
of this stuff obviously comes out afterwards. But I want everybody,
everybody that listens, everybody that hears this, whether it's this
clip or the entire episode, don't just think about, like,
what is my ideology today, because everybody grows. You could

(58:24):
go from being Republican to being very very democrat because
you believe in some social issue. So I'm not saying
just one way or the other. I'm saying, like, across
the board, you're going to move in your in your life,
You're going to move, whether you're married or not married,
you getting married, and then all of a sudden getting
fucked over in a divorce could change it. So you
believe that there should be no no fault divorce or

(58:47):
you know, no abortion or no trans athletes or whatever
you think is going to happen, because things are going
to happen in your life, or maybe just maybe one
of those things that are somebody staunchly against 'staunchly for
happens to you and affects somebody you care about, and it.

Speaker 2 (59:04):
Changes the way you see and view the world. It
changes your whole way of taking things in and it
will spin you around. And that's okay.

Speaker 1 (59:17):
I think I think real both of us and kJ
you can. You can sign on if you want. Nobody
should be shipped on for the things that they believe.
They're things. Whoever you are at eighteen years old, just
be authentic. Just I'm not gonna judge you at all.
You're a kid. If you come at me like a
fucking ignoramis at fucking eighteen years old with your head

(59:40):
in the sand, telling me that I'm an idiot because
I don't understand something and you're not understanding where I'm
coming from, then you're gonna be called an ignoramis because
you're being one. You don't get to dictate policy because
of your specific ideology, and I don't either. Nobody does. No,
everybody should be accepted. You don't get to drag your

(01:00:00):
feet in the sand and say you don't. We'll see
you fucking next time. Keep walking the lonely road, boys,
We love you, and everything's gonna be okay. It gets
better tomorrow.

Speaker 2 (01:00:11):
Cheers,