September 23, 2025 • 46 mins
In this thought-provoking episode of The Lonely Road, we explore the shared experience of public grief during times of loss, whether it’s the passing of a beloved celebrity or the aftermath of devastating natural disasters. Why do these moments bring us together? How do they shape our individual and collective healing? Join us as we discuss: 💔 The emotional impact of celebrity deaths and their influence on fans and culture. 🌪️ How communities process grief after natural disasters strike. 🧠 The psychology of collective mourning and why it matters. 🗨️ Stories of resilience, connection, and hope in the face of loss. This episode dives deep into the complexities of grief and the unique ways it unites us all. Don’t miss this poignant conversation about humanity’s response to tragedy. 👉 Tune in now and be part of the conversation about healing, connection, and moving forward.
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
I didn't even click the right screen. Look at that.
We're doing great. Welcome to the new episode of the
Lovely Road. We're here on your journey to heal and
become a better human. Many of you may know me
for my other job, or my other podcast, or even
both of us from TikTok, but you know things are changing.
The world's changing. I guess TikTok might be going away
or getting bought by other people. It'll be an interesting
(00:23):
time to see what goes on now for like the
next couple of weeks, it's going to be a very
different show than my show. It's going to be a
very different thing than what kJ used to produce. But
this is going to be a deep dive on grief
and mental health and trying to help you figure out
how to handle these situations better because so many people
genuinely just don't understand. Sometimes I don't understand. Sometimes I
(00:46):
fail at it. Let's there sometimes that for some reason,
I'm an idiot's evunt and it's like, Zach, you're making sense.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
These aren't things that are taught. These soft skills aren't
things that are taught to us in life, and so
it's interesting to be on the road of trying to
figure these things out so that we can pass them
on to the younger ones in our lives. It's important.
Speaker 1 (01:07):
It's it's weird when you get faced with something that
you don't necessarily expect to hit you in the face.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
Yeah, yeah, that's for sure. Like that.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
Out of all the topics that we have, we have
like one hundred and fifty topics written, and this is
a topic that I was like, Eh, this is kind
of just this is not my gem. I don't know
about everybody else, but like, this just it doesn't affect
me in the way that it affects everybody else for
some reason. And it might be autism, it might be
the ADHD, it might just be a combination of both
(01:36):
of that, but I'm not necessarily sure. kJ. How have
you been.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
I've been doing okay, might've been doing all right. The
last week has been especially tiring, But other than that,
I'm just trying to find new ways to leap past
this phase that I'm in of depleting hormones and trying
to figure out the key to getting more energy. That's
the quest that I'm on right now. Physically, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (02:02):
It's weird. Like, and for so long I thought like
all medication or all medical intervention is a bad thing,
Like don't just don't do it? Why would you do it? Now?
With watching my bosses, my one boss is on like
the highest levels of TRTV possibly can be, and I'm like,
I can't say that I wouldn't just do it. If
(02:23):
I had the money, I probably would. And I'm at thirty.
I could imagine at forty forty five, when you're starting
to slow down and you're tired, that you're like, oh,
how the fuck do I fix this?
Speaker 2 (02:34):
Yeah, it's really interesting. I've been tossing back and forth
hormone therapy, you know, going to the doctor, getting some
blood works, really finding out what the deficits are, and
then honing in on it that way. That just seems
like the smartest way to do it. But I have
to hurtle past my distrust of the medical profession and
(02:54):
just bite the bullet and make an appointment. But I'm
kind of sussing out my way stopped there right now,
So we'll see what She's got an appointment in a
couple of days, so we'll see how that one goes.
We'll see if his vibe passes the kJ five check.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
I get really obnoxious with them, and Bree really got
confused with it. After the appointment, after the baby and everything,
She's like, okay, so you're gonna go on birth control?
I said, okay, why are we putting her on hormonal
but birth control when she's dealing with all of this stuff.
She's like, some way we can guarantee everything doesn't happen
for a couple of months. Okay, that makes sense. She's like,
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but don't stop taking fullic acid and what you m
call it prenatals. I'm like, so you want her to
continue taking hormonal birth controls away her body still thinks
she's pregnant, and then you also want her on prenatal
vitamins that will spike all of her vitamins and everything
else and cause her to have problems, possibly with postpartum.
(03:52):
What the fuck are you talking about? She's like, well,
there's there's never been a study that links those things.
Oh no, there's hundreds of studies that link those two things.
So you're fired.
Speaker 2 (04:04):
Interesting.
Speaker 1 (04:06):
I hate I hate doctors that don't like if you
want me to explain myself, I'll explain myself if you
want to explain why I'm wrong, Explain why I'm wrong,
just saying that it's impossible and it's unbelievable. Don't do that.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
Yeah, Yeah, don't treat me like an asshole, Like that's
the one thing. Like, don't treat me like I'm ignorant.
I may be ignorant to some things, and that's what
I'm there to discuss with you. You are the professional,
you do have a degree, but that doesn't make me
stupid about my own body.
Speaker 1 (04:34):
Yeah. My doctor with my neck injury literally showed me
that I am smarter than most doctors. And I fucking
hate being able to admit that. I hate kind of
being on the edge of like feeling arrogant. But as
a whole.
Speaker 2 (04:50):
A lot of the time, I just need to pay attention.
And that's a lot of things. A lot of time
I find that with the medical profession they have a
lack of attention to the details of in the situation.
Speaker 1 (05:04):
They don't care human like human wife. Like if you
get a doctor that's not brand new or not like
an open heart bleeding person, they are not really the
most caring people in the world. They're going to try
and get you right back out the door and get
whatever you want done and taken care of.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
Yeah. I think sometimes a lot of times it starts
out as you know, humanitarian to them and they want
to do good, and a lot of doctors continue that
throughout their lifetime. But I think in a lot of
ways it does, Uh, just like any job or profession,
it does kind of numb. They numb to the to
(05:40):
the humanitarian portion of it and the fact that they're
actually working on humans and it's not just a cycle
of patience money, patience money, billing, you know whatever. The
cycles that they get into.
Speaker 1 (05:52):
Are Originally, the first doctor thought that I tore my
rotator cuff, I tore a capsule on my shoulder and
there might have been some nerve impingement in my neck somewhere.
He's like, I don't know exactly where it is. Go there,
get the MRIs, get whatever scan they want you to do.
No problem, workers, comp they're gonna sit there and fuck
(06:13):
with it anyway. But uh, I get transferred to this
Indian doctor and it seemed almost like he didn't understand
what I was telling him, or he didn't believe in
what actually was wrong with me, Like, I don't know
why thrascic outlet syndrome is such a big, crazy, you know,
hardline thing of like this is impossible, This isn't a
(06:33):
thing when there's medical documentation that it is. He's like,
I want a full body scan of what possibly could
be wrong with you. Do you think workers comp's gonna
approve that. They're gonna look at you and laugh at you?
Right right right, They're like, the problem is here, not
on his big toe that was stepped on after surgery.
I don't think that those problems line up. It's just like, no, dude, no,
(06:57):
I ended up having to force my way out of
that doctor or into a vascular surgeon in order to
get my neck fixed.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
Yeah, it's it's crazy the level of I mean, it's
it's it's not crazy that you have to be an
advocate for yourself, but it's crazy the level of self
advocacy that you have to have these days. You have
to watch your own sex, you have to have your
own back constantly, constantly.
Speaker 1 (07:22):
Biggest thing I thank my mom for. And I was
talking about this on RNTs too. I was like, you know,
my medical knowledge, it's very hard to figure out exactly
if I am average, if I'm above average, or there's
something weird here because it like clicks and makes sense
and it's logical. But there are some days where I'm
just like, Okay, this is what's wrong, and there's no
(07:44):
way to fix it. So I'm just gonna sit here
and deal with it. But I have the answer of
what's wrong. How many people just fucking sit here and like, oh,
I have a headache today, I'm going to take tyler
All and Motrin and hope that it fucking works. And
I don't know, man, it's just weird.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
Yeah, no, it's it gets really weird. And then you
get into, you know, the the whole problem of the
insurance and finding somebody that's participating with insurance, and I
mean they're therein lies a whole other layer of issues
(08:21):
that you have to deal with with the healthcare industry.
It's very frustrating. It's very frustrating for a lot of people,
you know, I mean thinking about the the current events
of you know, the United Healthcare CEO, you know, just
the different polarizing opinions about.
Speaker 1 (08:42):
Some of that shit firsthand. Yeah, and it's on such
a micro scale, but like I remember when my worker's
case just started and they had this nurse that would
call me three times a week and if I missed
a call, I was not getting paid next week until
I got a lawyer. But they lie to you at
(09:04):
first when they first pick up the phone. Hey, I'm
a nurse trying to help you figure out what exactly
is wrong with you. Let me help you south with
You're okay, And it's like, okay, so I can tell
you everything. No, if I tell you anything, I get
fucked because you don't work for me. And it was
such a surreal thing to like just kind of figure
(09:24):
out and feel And I felt that today too. It's like, okay,
And I was saying it literally just the other day.
It's like, it's a weird surrealization to feel like not
everyone else is out to help you. It's not just you.
Speaker 2 (09:40):
Yeah, every single.
Speaker 1 (09:43):
Person has those feelings and unique individual things, and it's
just weird.
Speaker 2 (09:48):
Yeah, yeah, it's it's definitely weird to the level in
which you know, people take in these all these little
pieces that equal up the whole, and a lot of
times things are because like me and my particular adversion
(10:16):
to going to doctors, you know, most of it is
because of my you know, my medication issues. And being
on it for so long and going to doctors faithfully
and having none of them question and figure out what
to do next to get me off it, because at
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the beginning I was told it was a maintain and
seeing over and over again the travesties that happened to people.
Speaker 1 (10:42):
And we saw that the other day in our group
chat like they were like, my mom is a nurse,
she knows medication. She was very close to being able
to get her or associates for psychology and stuff like that.
She was working towards becoming a psychologist and everything else.
And she's like, Zach, that's not what that medication is
used for. I said, Mom, that's legitimately what Google says.
(11:05):
The medication is used for SSRIs allow the fucking serotonin
not to get dispersed back into your nerves, so your
brain thinks that there's more serotonin in your brain. It
will chemically change you. It is very hard to go back.
And she's like, I was not told that. I was like, yes,
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because they lied. They really everyone.
Speaker 2 (11:31):
Yeah, it's really interesting. You know, my distrust comes a
lot from you know, the times, the before times, I
have to say, when we had the freedom to make
medical decisions, and then all of a sudden in twenty twenty,
there wasn't freedom to make the medical decisions anymore, and
(11:51):
we were, you know, they some will say not but
coerced into either you know, getting a certain vaccination that
didn't really vaccinate, or you know, losing your job. And
in my case, it was the best position I'd ever
have in my life.
Speaker 1 (12:13):
She was forced to get the vaccine and she developed
fucking seizures from that.
Speaker 2 (12:16):
Yeah, yeah, exactly. And it's interesting the uptick, you know,
from you look at all the side effects of that
vax and the uptick and all of those things, and
the upticks and deaths of all of those side effects.
Yet they'll say that the only you know, COVID vaccination
(12:40):
deaths are less than peanut allergies, you know, But when
you add.
Speaker 1 (12:44):
All allergies are still an and they just don't want
you to look at it.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
Well, yeah, in a relative of the situation, absolutely, But
when you add in what was actually labeled a COVID
vaccination death as cause and the cause of death being
one of the side effects of the COVID vaccination, you
add those together, you know, and have it relative to
being given that vaccination and it increases exponentially and it
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just increases the distrust of the system.
Speaker 1 (13:20):
Which led to a very interesting conversation me and you
had actually, yeah, was like, is there a moral question
of the killing that Luigi Mangioni did at some point?
Is that considered a moral thing to do?
Speaker 2 (13:36):
Well? I mean if if you and it can be,
you know, it can be to some people, it can
be very black and white to others. You know, you
can find the gray area in you know, the greater
good and what he may have not convicted of, may
have done to deserve getting shot directly in the back
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by a coward. But at the same time, you know,
if if you believe in that morality, which kind of
makes its way into religion, then you have to be
(14:18):
led on a path of is it your job as
a human to do that or to judge about it?
Speaker 1 (14:26):
And that was the hardest thing for me, is like,
I'm willing to understand that there might be positives or
negatives to this specific outcome. It might negatively impact everything,
and nobody's really grasping that, sure. But the big thing
to me is there's a chance that this just ends
up like another OJ trial. It just ends up in
the same exact cycle that OJ did, where he cannot
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be charged because there's not a jury that will convict
and say that he did one hundred percent the wrong thing.
Speaker 2 (14:56):
Yeah, that's going to be an interesting thing too. I am.
I'm a big law nerds, so I will be following
this trial and I'll be following all the pre trial
stuff as well, so it will be interesting to find
out what happens with it. I do believe that there
was a lot there was a lot of polarization, you know,
(15:18):
the trial by internet, trial by public fire, you know,
and I felt a lot of people felt that, you know,
may have been retribution for things that this CEO may
or may not have done, and even above that, may
be retribution for healthcare companies as a whole. And then
(15:38):
there's another whole school of thought that goes to, you know, well,
whoa whoa, you know, yeah, it may have happened, and
he may be guilty of things, or the company may
have done things and may be guilty of things, or
denying claims erroneously or all of that notwithstanding, But does
that warrant this man taking a gun and shooting him
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in the back of the head, like just outright in
public playing daylight.
Speaker 1 (16:10):
And that's so hard And I'm just gonna throw this
idea out there. Didn't even talk to you about it first,
But maybe it might be a smart idea, depending on
which days you have off and what days were available.
Maybe live stream. I mean, we may live react to
the Luigi Mangioni trial if we have free time. But
(16:33):
I don't even think that it's like a situation of
like somebody's good, somebody's bad. I think everybody's sort of
the asshole here. And I don't know if you're on
Reddit a lot, but that's what the asshole is is
like everyone's the asshole here. You don't kill people because
killing people is bad. But at the same time, a
(16:56):
CEO that did not sign off on numerous people getting
healthcare also technically murdered people bad. Yeah, this might this
might cause a change within those confines of the availability
of them actually being held accountable for those things.
Speaker 2 (17:17):
It made a change directly. I remember at the time, Uh,
there was another insurance company, Anthem, that was going to
change a policy with anesthesia, and I think it was
more administrative, having to you know, checking the doctors, making
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sure that they weren't over administering the anesthesia that kind
of thing, but they wanted to.
Speaker 1 (17:43):
Yeah, they wanted to limit how many hours you were
allowed to be under anesthesia. And after that point they
were no longer allowed to build the insurance company. It
was going to be built to you directly.
Speaker 2 (17:53):
That's so it was. It was an interesting turn of
events because right after uh the murder. Oh yeah, right
after that, they reversed course and decided not to make
that policy change. So it was it was very interesting
how it it. Directly it seemed to or appeared to
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have directly made an impact, some could say, and.
Speaker 1 (18:21):
As a whole like celebrity death or like public figure death,
it is hard to fully grasp. It's a whole new layer,
like the one that the one that I saw get
affected and affect everybody so negatively was Michael Jackson, Like,
it's the first big one that kind of like stuck
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out to me. And I don't know why, probably because
of all the jokes and everything that happened around it.
How questionable it was, like I was a little bit
too young for Tupac, I was a little bit too
young for Biggie. But like Michael Jackson, was around that
level where it was just in your face, like they
released his music afterwards and everything else, and it's just like, Okay,
(19:04):
I'm not sad. Why is everybody else said.
Speaker 2 (19:08):
Yeah, it's in your face? And you know, I mean,
I think that's the one of the main differences. Like
you and I we are. We are very alike in
a lot of ways and entwined in a lot of ways,
but we're very polar opposites in a lot of ways too.
And one of the ways in which we appear to
be polar opposites in a lot of ways is the
way we take things in. And you take things in
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in more of a linear fashion, whereas I take things
in in more of a feel, raw emotion fashion. And
so I think that it all depends on, you know,
how you take in the world. And I think that
a lot of that grieving that public does for like
Michael Jackson's and the you know, the biggies in the Tupax,
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which I remember very well because that was right after
I graduated in high school, and things like that, like it.
Speaker 1 (19:57):
Was it was it they do timeline and for those
two they were bigger and growing during the time that
you were graduating and that happens at the peak of
their career. Huge to Me's that's where this gets confusing
and weird to me, Like Eminem hasn't passed, hopefully he doesn't.
Like that will genuinely be a sad day for me.
I will feel negative, But like Michael Jackson wasn't at
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his peak of his career in two thousand and six
seven whenever that was. But I remember, like people I
was going to school with thirteen fourteen, fifteen year olds
talking about how negative of a problem it was that
he passed, And it's just like, yes, you might have
heard one two songs or been a part of like
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enjoying his music, but you were not a part of
the wave that was Michael Jackson. Your generation absolutely might
be impacted by that. But why Like, if Eminem passed today,
I wouldn't expect my kids to be sad, Like they
might see me sad and be like, oh, that sucks, Adams,
or like I like his music too, Dad, I'm sorry.
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But like, at the same time, I don't expect them
to be like balling their eyes out, And seems like
that's almost like what everybody expected everybody to be.
Speaker 2 (21:14):
Yeah, It's just that it feels like almost you know,
how things are set up by the media, and I
feel like the same thing happens when celebrities pass, like
especially in music or a Matthew Perry type situation, where
they just set up their music or their shows over
and over and over, and there's the they just they
(21:37):
play out. You know. Of course, yeah, they're trying to
memorialize a person, but I think that there's a piece
of that that that may add to or exacerbate, you know,
the public grief about the situation. And and as you know, conversely,
I think that with the learning that you know, the
(21:58):
education that I've had around grief and getting through a
grief cycle is also the camaraderie of coming together, So
it can be both two things can be true at
the same time.
Speaker 1 (22:13):
Like I don't I don't not expect, you know, every
single trailer park and every single white you know, inner city,
if Eminem passed right now, that there wouldn't be fucking
candlelight vigils in every single fucking city center, because I do.
Speaker 2 (22:27):
Know you're gonna see it, you know, I mean, and
I just want to stop and back up right now,
because I know that when we're in the middle of things.
The language that we use sometimes isn't noticed. But you said,
I hope he doesn't and and Zach, he's gonna die.
He's gonna die at some point, so we need.
Speaker 1 (22:44):
To I didn't mean it that way. I'm saying, like,
right at this second, it's not happen right now.
Speaker 2 (22:48):
No, no, no, not right now. But you know, hopefully
there's none of that. But I think that at the
at that level of of icon in rap culture and
being a white man in rap culture, which is a
predominantly black.
Speaker 1 (23:04):
And you're gonna have a bigger you're going to have
a bigger impact than everything else. But absolutely I don't
I cannot understand, and this might be, you know, my
my logic base thinking here. I don't understand how that
is going to be different from Michael Jackson and why
Michael Jackson was mourned by billions of people when it
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was even people that were not his demographic mourning him.
Like there's gonna be a small percentage of that demographic
that's not his that's going to warn him. But why
is everybody? Why are flags at half mass? Why is
there such a drastic change in culture where it's like
everybody's sad. It's like, okay, yes, one person died, guys,
we got to keep going. If we freeze and stop
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right now because one person passed, we're giving up everything.
Speaker 2 (23:51):
Inevitably we do. Society does end up marching on word.
But I think that in the case of if we
want to put a Michael Jackson up against you know,
our personally me and you our man eminem is that
(24:13):
I think that for Michael Jackson, Yes, it did affect me.
I was growing up. I grew up with Michael Jackson music.
I think Michael Jackson music is more widespread wide and
rather than.
Speaker 1 (24:24):
Deep eminem is weird. He's like a culture defining person.
But if you're not a part of that culture, you
don't fucking care at all.
Speaker 2 (24:33):
For some reason, you miss everything but the stuff that's
on radio Top forty, and so you don't get the
complete package of Marshall Mathers that we me and you
have been studying from jump and onto every single album
that he's had, and yeah, it's deep, and we get
into his catalog like that, But at the at the
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at the main of it, Michael Jackson had so many
top forty hits and people listen to Top forty, so
that I feel like overall, that's why most of the
world world over were mourning when he you know, when
he passed. It's weird. It's really weird.
Speaker 1 (25:17):
It's really weird when you compare it to somebody like
a president. And we've seen quite a few of them
passing in the most recent years, and we're probably going
to see a few pass in the next couple of years.
But uh, like, we have a lot of situations here
where these people are supposed to be the most powerful
and most demanding people of eyes in the entire world,
(25:40):
but yet for some reason, some of them just disappear
when they could be the most beauty. Like honestly, Jimmy
Carter was not a good president, but he was a
beautiful fucking person. And it's just like, Okay, it seemed
like it went by silently almost there was the post. Yeah,
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but it's not that that doesn't make sense.
Speaker 2 (26:04):
Who knew that Jimmy Carter was a good person. I mean,
I'd never heard any of that. I heard how shitty
of a president he was, but I've never heard of
his person.
Speaker 1 (26:15):
As soon as he was done with being president, he
started doing Habitat for Humanity and funding Habitat for Humanity
almost on a yearly thing, even when he wasn't able
to walk. He was at Habitat for Humanity with a
fucking bruise covering his eye and an eye patch and
hoping that he could hold it together enough to bang
in together a nail into a window. And it's just like, obviously, dude,
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the dude cares about people at minimum, why, Like honestly,
and this is this is like a weird conversation about
celebrity and death and everything else. But like the idols
that we look at, or the idols that we portray
into being these big, huge, amazing people to some people's
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eyes or a massag eyes is really weird to me.
Speaker 2 (27:04):
Yeah, it's become extremely strange to me the more I
get to know, uh, and learn about celebrity in general
and you know, the how how they're treated and going
into it, just it's amazing to me, absolutely amazing to
(27:29):
me how people idolize what in essence is a character
because you don't know these people from Adam And we're
finding that out with the ditties and the jay Z's
allegedly that's okay.
Speaker 1 (27:48):
The entire town burn down, all of them are safe.
Speaker 2 (27:51):
Now, Well, I mean, I mean, if you want to
should have the tapes. I mean there there are arguing
in court about these nine tapes, and these tapes should
not still be in Ditty's house. So they should be
with the FED somewhere on safe deposit box. And if
they can, hope so I do too, because a lot
(28:12):
of people have been saying, you know, we well, okay,
there's fired, there goes there goes evidence. And I'm saying, well,
if the houses were raided in Miami, which most of
the stuff was taken, even if the houses were raided
in LA, they had to have been taken to a
centralized FBI location, I would think, or one would think
(28:33):
how the FBI is supposed to work, you know, audit
checks and balances, those type of things.
Speaker 1 (28:38):
And a lot of that shit. A lot of that
shit taught me to you know, question my kids' choices
in who they idolized. Yeah, I don't even like that
they idolize me, like, like, don't idolize me. Like I
love you guys to death. I'll be your superhero whatever
you need me to be, but don't think I'm an
(28:59):
idol I'm just a person. I'm going to fuck up
millions of times in between today and tomorrow. And you know,
if that doesn't change things, then go ahead. Understand I'm
a flawed person.
Speaker 2 (29:10):
Though. Oh yeah.
Speaker 1 (29:11):
It's like, don't idalize anybody.
Speaker 2 (29:13):
My mom was my hero, but you know, understand that
she was a human, very blood and I understand that
it is what it is, you know. I mean, your
kids are going to look at you the way they're
going to look at you. You're not going to be
able to change that. Just making sure that they know
that you are a flawed human and you know they
understand that they will.
Speaker 1 (29:35):
It's such a surreal thing, like and I don't know
if this is just like single mother syndrome or what,
but it's like you learn so much of like don't
question mama. Mama's always right. The first thing you do
is you think mama as soon as you make it,
and it's just like that's not always the answer. It's
like if you just idolize somebody and put somebody up
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on a pedestal like that, whether that's a celebrity, a
family member like that person, if you meet them or
you or they're a part of your life and they're
not perfect and you realize it it's gonna hurt.
Speaker 2 (30:08):
Yeah, it's very it's very interesting to watch, you know,
when something happens with the celebrity, how the general public
just flocks and I heed warning that these people are
human and what's done in the dark will come to
light and it's it's the house of cards is falling
as we speak with things that are happening, and just
(30:31):
you know, I mean, it is interesting, it's interesting to watch.
It's interesting to watch it all happen, and these fires,
it brings up a whole nother You've talked about layers
of grief. We've touched on about ten layers of grief
already in this conversation. But the fire alone, you have
seven hundred layers of grief there alone. I mean, on
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one end of the spectrum, you have all these rich
people that have lost their houses. Oh great, well, I
mean fire insurance was camp up for everybody. Well, they
can afford it. But these people in La that all
they have was an apartment and they live in paycheck
to paycheck to get through in that apartment. Those people
live there too, A lot of them live there too.
They get lost in the oh the Palisades or Malibu,
(31:16):
c you know, I mean, I get it. You know,
these people have a lot of heirlooms, and I know
that they can rebuild, but there's a lot of people
that cannot. It's sad. It's sad.
Speaker 1 (31:30):
I remember probably like eight to ten years ago when
we were living in the gated community and my mom's
friend's house burnt down right after we bought Senna.
Speaker 2 (31:45):
And yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I remember that.
Speaker 1 (31:50):
And for a while in that situation, they looked at
her and was like, we're not paying anything. This is
not our problem, this is not our thing, like and
it's just like they would tell them that they weren't
allowed in their own house that yeah, you paid for it,
you own it, but you're not allowed here. And it's
just like, okay, you didn't buy it from me.
Speaker 2 (32:11):
That's nuts. Yeah, because that seems to be going on
over in California. Happened in Lahina too, where people can't
go back and see their property or there's major restrictions
on them being able to do that, and that just
is it's devastating. It's devastating to people, especially people who
have worked so hard or spent so much of their
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talent and money on these things. And I guess, you know,
to a lot of people's to some of the people
out there, that's what they have, that's what they spent
them on. That's what matters to them. That's what hits
them in the gut is the money. Others what hit
them in the gut is how hard they work for
this house that they may not have been able to
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get without their father in law's cost sign, and they're
working paycheck to paycheck to make the mortgage payments, and
they may have been ten years away from paying off
that house and it's gone. Yeah, it's freaking horrible. I
can't even imagine. I mean, I imagine, I imagine every day.
It's all over the news. It's flattened. It's a wasteland.
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It's like a damn war zone out there. It's crazy town.
Speaker 1 (33:21):
It's a surreal feeling. And it's really hard to empathize
because I wasn't I'm not there, but I can compare
it to things that I felt, and it's just like, Okay,
so I knew when somebody walked out that door. Essentially
I'm flipping the bird to one hundred thousand dollars and
it's just like, I don't know if life's ever gonna
(33:44):
be okay again, and I have to try and figure
out and put these pieces back together. I could only
imagine if you know, you're walking away from two hundred
and fifty three hundred and fifty thousand dollars, every single
memory of every single picture that you've ever had in
your entire life, and just being like, I don't know
if I can be home alone again. Like and obviously
(34:06):
he wasn't a part of it, but at the same time,
it's like he's not fucking nine years old anymore. Like,
regardless of if they're a celebrity, regardless of if they
have a million dollar house, at the same time, they're
not the same person they were when they bought that house,
and they need that money.
Speaker 2 (34:23):
No, And you know, it has it has its own meaning,
you know, to them, to everybody, everybody's got touched touches
their own meaning to everything. I know that it's really tough.
It's really hard, especially when you have you know, everything's
in the public eye. It's so the public opinion, and
(34:45):
so you have the things that you see on the
mainstream news, and then you see things on your alternative outlets.
You know, I I gear more towards the alternative outlets
since I'd have to say since the George Floyd riots,
(35:05):
because the mainstream media. That's when I really woke up
to the mainstream media telling you one thing was happening,
and then you're looking at these people that are streaming
on YouTube and they're in Portland or they're in Minneapolis,
and a completely different thing is happening.
Speaker 1 (35:21):
And it was just not even right after that happened.
It was when his autopsy came out. His autopsy coming
out was the most disgusting thing to me, not because
it shouldn't have been released, because it absolutely should have been,
but the fact that they still burnt cities to the
ground after they proved that he was on drugs.
Speaker 2 (35:45):
Yeah, you know, they could prove. They proved so many things.
Speaker 1 (35:49):
Video was released and he was having a panic attack
and everything else was still was the police officer and
the right Absolutely No, No, I don't think anybody should
say that he's in the right. No, you can't intentionally
kill somebody. I don't think he was malicious. I think
he was ignorant.
Speaker 2 (36:06):
I think a lot of that was ignorance, and I
think that it was disasserted, and then you know, just
catapulted forward and it led the way for a massive,
a massive collection of donations from the BLM organization, which
(36:31):
turned out to be a huge financial scam. And just
to comfort full circle on that idea, guess whose mansions
got burned.
Speaker 1 (36:42):
Still banking the money. That's the hard part because you know,
now that their house is burnt down, there's going to
be fifteen more problems the next time any little thing happened.
And it's not because one life is little, because it's
not zero. People should ever die until it you're time
(37:03):
to die. But nobody other than me should profit off
of my death.
Speaker 2 (37:12):
Yeah, like it was. It just seemed like and just
like everything else that I'm you know, noticing, because now
that I'm paying attention, you know, you have the the
grift of of making millions and billions and millions of
dollars off this man's death and and and then finding
out what actually was in his system and things that
(37:34):
actually were put on an autopsy report, and yet allowing
it to continue and go forward, captivating a whole city
in freaking Oregon, Cordy setting setting police departments on fire,
leading to massive cuts in in in in public safety
(37:55):
budgets and the water why and they wonder why crime
has has been out of out of sight. Now again, uh,
this most current administration will say, crime is not out
of sight. Well, I beg to differ. I beg to differ.
Let's see which cities are reporting crimes, because you know,
(38:17):
your major metropolitan cities don't have to report the crimes,
and so that's why they wrote those crime numbers down.
And then there's revisions.
Speaker 1 (38:25):
You have stake like you have states like California, you
have states like New York, Washington, Oregon, all of the
Democrat led states, all of them say okay, guys, if
you commit a crime and we're overflowed with prisoners right now,
it doesn't matter what crime you commit, you may never
face fucking jail time because we're going to release you
(38:46):
as soon as you get fucking caught.
Speaker 2 (38:48):
Well, that's exactly what happened in California. And that happened
in California with somebody that came over here illegally, got
some kind of asylum and then started setting fires out
there with the other fires. Then he got arrested and
then let go again because they don't keep them. It's
it's amazing the cycle of madness that you can allow
(39:14):
until until you don't allow it. And I have. You know,
when you live partially online, you see a lot of
the public opinion, the court of public opinion, come into play,
and a lot of the the typical left leaning or
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major progressive actors and people that live and breathe California
are just pissed off and they are getting in front
of their cameras on their platforms with their million, two million,
five million, ten million subscribers, and they are just letting loose.
And it's not you know, I mean, I did a
(39:59):
whole I did a video so on my YouTube that
I'm revamping and TikTok, and I was is it accountability?
Is it politics or is it accountability? You know, you
want to say it's politics and you want to cry
victim because few people are making it political. I don't
think that's the case. I think they're just trying to
find accountability.
Speaker 1 (40:16):
Care and sexuality preference stuff. The left has turned that
from a political talking point into your identity. Oh yeah, yeah,
Like if you look at if you look at socialized healthcare,
I am very fucking far right. Anybody who has a
conversation with me understands I'm far right. I am completely
equal in like seeing everybody equal. But I want the
(40:39):
right to own guns. I don't. I do not want
every single person able to fucking claim random shit and
me all of a sudden lose everything because you want
to say something because I'm a loud motherfucker online, But
go fuck yourself. Like, I am very far right, but
I believe in socialized medicine because at some point you
have to take from the fucking people that are making
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billions of dollars off every single person in the country
because they feel like increasing the price is the only answer.
But the thing is is when every single person that's
saying I need socialized medicine is five hundred and fifty pounds,
needs six shots of ozepic a day, doesn't have diabetes,
but drinks six fucking two liters of fucking mountain dew
(41:22):
and has three big macs a day. Honestly, your optics
are horrible. You don't understand what that looks like.
Speaker 2 (41:32):
Yeah, you're retarding. It's absolutely you know it has to
be everybody's own eye opening or awakening moment. I know
I have had mine. I know your mother's in the
middle of hers. She's making changes that I'm astonished with.
But I really feel like if we took that along
(41:52):
the lines what you were just saying, if we took
that money, the billions of dollars that these executives and
see eos of healthcare companies are making, and instead of
giving them a billion, two billion, ten billion dollars depending
on how many claims they deny or don't deny, or
how many of you know, whatever save costs saving measures
(42:16):
that they want to take, you know, instead of giving
it to the CEO or rewarding them, give them a
fucking salary and let them have their salary. But how
about put that back into the healthcare system, i e.
The kind of socialized medicine that you're talking about. Because
what's going on up in Canada isn't working. So we
(42:38):
got to take that and we got to add to it,
and we got to make it work and make it
more timely.
Speaker 1 (42:43):
Look at the we look at the three things that
really kind of should be rights now because of the
way the world works, not because I believe that they're
innate rights. From the beginning. You have healthcare, which is
a questionable thing from either side, and these things should
be federalized. You have health care, which probably should be federalized.
Your public work systems should not be fucking localized or
(43:05):
be privately owned companies. There should not be a private
fucking electric company. Every fucking house should just have power
available to it. It shouldn't be fucking rocket science. Were
the number one world power in the world, and yet
for some reason, the third largest state in the country
has the highest price per wattage in the entire country.
Speaker 2 (43:29):
Oh, let's not talk about the delivery fees of wattage.
Speaker 1 (43:33):
But that's my point is like that should be federalized.
It just makes sense for it to be federalized. And
then you have the last thing which might questionably be
federalized here, which is access to the internet. And we've
seen that pseudo availability now change so drastically in the
past ten years, and the availability to this thing change
(43:56):
so drastically. I remember when me and my ex wife
first got together. She lived in a house that barely
had fucking satellite TV and didn't have any internet, didn't
have a computer in her house, had one TV in
her parents' room. That was the only place that they
could watch TV and it's just like this world's changed
(44:16):
a lot since then.
Speaker 2 (44:18):
Yeah, yep, but.
Speaker 1 (44:20):
Those three things are life altering. Yeah, rights almost because
we need the availability to connect with people.
Speaker 2 (44:30):
No, it's the age of information. That's where you get
all your information. Like, so there's no encyclopedias anymore.
Speaker 1 (44:36):
Yeah, like it's some white they have to and all
three of them makes sense. That genuinely just too. Yeah,
so I kind of want to hear your guys' opinion.
What do you think? Do you think we're crazy on
those points? First off, hearts go out to fucking California.
Speaker 2 (44:59):
We hope that.
Speaker 1 (45:01):
So don't give about the company, I give a fuck
about the people.
Speaker 2 (45:05):
Yeah, it doesn't matter all all politics aside, all talking
about accountability aside. I think that we do that as
New Yorkers people that are removed from the situation, because
that's what we can do. We feel for those people,
and so we really want to kind of reason through it,
(45:26):
because why they can't. They are in the middle of
the fighting for their lives, they're fighting for their property.
Speaker 1 (45:32):
I really really fear what I see happening.
Speaker 2 (45:35):
Yeah, it's crazy.
Speaker 1 (45:37):
I hope that all of that Beachfront property doesn't get
bought out by some political affiliate or some specific person
that gets a huge fucking contract to do it. I
hope that it's individual people still, but I don't think
it's going to be.
Speaker 2 (45:52):
Yeah, tinfoil hats, it's another land grad but well, well
we'll see.
Speaker 1 (45:57):
That's feel Yeah, guys, give your opinion down in the comments.
Tell us you know you're crazy shit that you're dealing with,
so we can help you. And you know we're still
fucking here.
Speaker 2 (46:06):
It's a lonely road. It's a lonely road, but we
can do it together.
I didn't even click the right screen. Look at that.
We're doing great. Welcome to the new episode of the
Lovely Road. We're here on your journey to heal and
become a better human. Many of you may know me
for my other job, or my other podcast, or even
both of us from TikTok, but you know things are changing.
The world's changing. I guess TikTok might be going away
or getting bought by other people. It'll be an interesting
(00:23):
time to see what goes on now for like the
next couple of weeks, it's going to be a very
different show than my show. It's going to be a
very different thing than what kJ used to produce. But
this is going to be a deep dive on grief
and mental health and trying to help you figure out
how to handle these situations better because so many people
genuinely just don't understand. Sometimes I don't understand. Sometimes I
(00:46):
fail at it. Let's there sometimes that for some reason,
I'm an idiot's evunt and it's like, Zach, you're making sense.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
These aren't things that are taught. These soft skills aren't
things that are taught to us in life, and so
it's interesting to be on the road of trying to
figure these things out so that we can pass them
on to the younger ones in our lives. It's important.
Speaker 1 (01:07):
It's it's weird when you get faced with something that
you don't necessarily expect to hit you in the face.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
Yeah, yeah, that's for sure. Like that.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
Out of all the topics that we have, we have
like one hundred and fifty topics written, and this is
a topic that I was like, Eh, this is kind
of just this is not my gem. I don't know
about everybody else, but like, this just it doesn't affect
me in the way that it affects everybody else for
some reason. And it might be autism, it might be
the ADHD, it might just be a combination of both
(01:36):
of that, but I'm not necessarily sure. kJ. How have
you been.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
I've been doing okay, might've been doing all right. The
last week has been especially tiring, But other than that,
I'm just trying to find new ways to leap past
this phase that I'm in of depleting hormones and trying
to figure out the key to getting more energy. That's
the quest that I'm on right now. Physically, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (02:02):
It's weird. Like, and for so long I thought like
all medication or all medical intervention is a bad thing,
Like don't just don't do it? Why would you do it? Now?
With watching my bosses, my one boss is on like
the highest levels of TRTV possibly can be, and I'm like,
I can't say that I wouldn't just do it. If
(02:23):
I had the money, I probably would. And I'm at thirty.
I could imagine at forty forty five, when you're starting
to slow down and you're tired, that you're like, oh,
how the fuck do I fix this?
Speaker 2 (02:34):
Yeah, it's really interesting. I've been tossing back and forth
hormone therapy, you know, going to the doctor, getting some
blood works, really finding out what the deficits are, and
then honing in on it that way. That just seems
like the smartest way to do it. But I have
to hurtle past my distrust of the medical profession and
(02:54):
just bite the bullet and make an appointment. But I'm
kind of sussing out my way stopped there right now,
So we'll see what She's got an appointment in a
couple of days, so we'll see how that one goes.
We'll see if his vibe passes the kJ five check.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
I get really obnoxious with them, and Bree really got
confused with it. After the appointment, after the baby and everything,
She's like, okay, so you're gonna go on birth control?
I said, okay, why are we putting her on hormonal
but birth control when she's dealing with all of this stuff.
She's like, some way we can guarantee everything doesn't happen
for a couple of months. Okay, that makes sense. She's like,
(03:32):
but don't stop taking fullic acid and what you m
call it prenatals. I'm like, so you want her to
continue taking hormonal birth controls away her body still thinks
she's pregnant, and then you also want her on prenatal
vitamins that will spike all of her vitamins and everything
else and cause her to have problems, possibly with postpartum.
(03:52):
What the fuck are you talking about? She's like, well,
there's there's never been a study that links those things.
Oh no, there's hundreds of studies that link those two things.
So you're fired.
Speaker 2 (04:04):
Interesting.
Speaker 1 (04:06):
I hate I hate doctors that don't like if you
want me to explain myself, I'll explain myself if you
want to explain why I'm wrong, Explain why I'm wrong,
just saying that it's impossible and it's unbelievable. Don't do that.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
Yeah, Yeah, don't treat me like an asshole, Like that's
the one thing. Like, don't treat me like I'm ignorant.
I may be ignorant to some things, and that's what
I'm there to discuss with you. You are the professional,
you do have a degree, but that doesn't make me
stupid about my own body.
Speaker 1 (04:34):
Yeah. My doctor with my neck injury literally showed me
that I am smarter than most doctors. And I fucking
hate being able to admit that. I hate kind of
being on the edge of like feeling arrogant. But as
a whole.
Speaker 2 (04:50):
A lot of the time, I just need to pay attention.
And that's a lot of things. A lot of time
I find that with the medical profession they have a
lack of attention to the details of in the situation.
Speaker 1 (05:04):
They don't care human like human wife. Like if you
get a doctor that's not brand new or not like
an open heart bleeding person, they are not really the
most caring people in the world. They're going to try
and get you right back out the door and get
whatever you want done and taken care of.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
Yeah. I think sometimes a lot of times it starts
out as you know, humanitarian to them and they want
to do good, and a lot of doctors continue that
throughout their lifetime. But I think in a lot of
ways it does, Uh, just like any job or profession,
it does kind of numb. They numb to the to
(05:40):
the humanitarian portion of it and the fact that they're
actually working on humans and it's not just a cycle
of patience money, patience money, billing, you know whatever. The
cycles that they get into.
Speaker 1 (05:52):
Are Originally, the first doctor thought that I tore my
rotator cuff, I tore a capsule on my shoulder and
there might have been some nerve impingement in my neck somewhere.
He's like, I don't know exactly where it is. Go there,
get the MRIs, get whatever scan they want you to do.
No problem, workers, comp they're gonna sit there and fuck
(06:13):
with it anyway. But uh, I get transferred to this
Indian doctor and it seemed almost like he didn't understand
what I was telling him, or he didn't believe in
what actually was wrong with me, Like, I don't know
why thrascic outlet syndrome is such a big, crazy, you know,
hardline thing of like this is impossible, This isn't a
(06:33):
thing when there's medical documentation that it is. He's like,
I want a full body scan of what possibly could
be wrong with you. Do you think workers comp's gonna
approve that. They're gonna look at you and laugh at you?
Right right right, They're like, the problem is here, not
on his big toe that was stepped on after surgery.
I don't think that those problems line up. It's just like, no, dude, no,
(06:57):
I ended up having to force my way out of
that doctor or into a vascular surgeon in order to
get my neck fixed.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
Yeah, it's it's crazy the level of I mean, it's
it's it's not crazy that you have to be an
advocate for yourself, but it's crazy the level of self
advocacy that you have to have these days. You have
to watch your own sex, you have to have your
own back constantly, constantly.
Speaker 1 (07:22):
Biggest thing I thank my mom for. And I was
talking about this on RNTs too. I was like, you know,
my medical knowledge, it's very hard to figure out exactly
if I am average, if I'm above average, or there's
something weird here because it like clicks and makes sense
and it's logical. But there are some days where I'm
just like, Okay, this is what's wrong, and there's no
(07:44):
way to fix it. So I'm just gonna sit here
and deal with it. But I have the answer of
what's wrong. How many people just fucking sit here and like, oh,
I have a headache today, I'm going to take tyler
All and Motrin and hope that it fucking works. And
I don't know, man, it's just weird.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
Yeah, no, it's it gets really weird. And then you
get into, you know, the the whole problem of the
insurance and finding somebody that's participating with insurance, and I
mean they're therein lies a whole other layer of issues
(08:21):
that you have to deal with with the healthcare industry.
It's very frustrating. It's very frustrating for a lot of people,
you know, I mean thinking about the the current events
of you know, the United Healthcare CEO, you know, just
the different polarizing opinions about.
Speaker 1 (08:42):
Some of that shit firsthand. Yeah, and it's on such
a micro scale, but like I remember when my worker's
case just started and they had this nurse that would
call me three times a week and if I missed
a call, I was not getting paid next week until
I got a lawyer. But they lie to you at
(09:04):
first when they first pick up the phone. Hey, I'm
a nurse trying to help you figure out what exactly
is wrong with you. Let me help you south with
You're okay, And it's like, okay, so I can tell
you everything. No, if I tell you anything, I get
fucked because you don't work for me. And it was
such a surreal thing to like just kind of figure
(09:24):
out and feel And I felt that today too. It's like, okay,
And I was saying it literally just the other day.
It's like, it's a weird surrealization to feel like not
everyone else is out to help you. It's not just you.
Speaker 2 (09:40):
Yeah, every single.
Speaker 1 (09:43):
Person has those feelings and unique individual things, and it's
just weird.
Speaker 2 (09:48):
Yeah, yeah, it's it's definitely weird to the level in
which you know, people take in these all these little
pieces that equal up the whole, and a lot of
times things are because like me and my particular adversion
(10:16):
to going to doctors, you know, most of it is
because of my you know, my medication issues. And being
on it for so long and going to doctors faithfully
and having none of them question and figure out what
to do next to get me off it, because at
(10:36):
the beginning I was told it was a maintain and
seeing over and over again the travesties that happened to people.
Speaker 1 (10:42):
And we saw that the other day in our group
chat like they were like, my mom is a nurse,
she knows medication. She was very close to being able
to get her or associates for psychology and stuff like that.
She was working towards becoming a psychologist and everything else.
And she's like, Zach, that's not what that medication is
used for. I said, Mom, that's legitimately what Google says.
(11:05):
The medication is used for SSRIs allow the fucking serotonin
not to get dispersed back into your nerves, so your
brain thinks that there's more serotonin in your brain. It
will chemically change you. It is very hard to go back.
And she's like, I was not told that. I was like, yes,
(11:27):
because they lied. They really everyone.
Speaker 2 (11:31):
Yeah, it's really interesting. You know, my distrust comes a
lot from you know, the times, the before times, I
have to say, when we had the freedom to make
medical decisions, and then all of a sudden in twenty twenty,
there wasn't freedom to make the medical decisions anymore, and
(11:51):
we were, you know, they some will say not but
coerced into either you know, getting a certain vaccination that
didn't really vaccinate, or you know, losing your job. And
in my case, it was the best position I'd ever
have in my life.
Speaker 1 (12:13):
She was forced to get the vaccine and she developed
fucking seizures from that.
Speaker 2 (12:16):
Yeah, yeah, exactly. And it's interesting the uptick, you know,
from you look at all the side effects of that
vax and the uptick and all of those things, and
the upticks and deaths of all of those side effects.
Yet they'll say that the only you know, COVID vaccination
(12:40):
deaths are less than peanut allergies, you know, But when
you add.
Speaker 1 (12:44):
All allergies are still an and they just don't want
you to look at it.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
Well, yeah, in a relative of the situation, absolutely, But
when you add in what was actually labeled a COVID
vaccination death as cause and the cause of death being
one of the side effects of the COVID vaccination, you
add those together, you know, and have it relative to
being given that vaccination and it increases exponentially and it
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just increases the distrust of the system.
Speaker 1 (13:20):
Which led to a very interesting conversation me and you
had actually, yeah, was like, is there a moral question
of the killing that Luigi Mangioni did at some point?
Is that considered a moral thing to do?
Speaker 2 (13:36):
Well? I mean if if you and it can be,
you know, it can be to some people, it can
be very black and white to others. You know, you
can find the gray area in you know, the greater
good and what he may have not convicted of, may
have done to deserve getting shot directly in the back
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by a coward. But at the same time, you know,
if if you believe in that morality, which kind of
makes its way into religion, then you have to be
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led on a path of is it your job as
a human to do that or to judge about it?
Speaker 1 (14:26):
And that was the hardest thing for me, is like,
I'm willing to understand that there might be positives or
negatives to this specific outcome. It might negatively impact everything,
and nobody's really grasping that, sure. But the big thing
to me is there's a chance that this just ends
up like another OJ trial. It just ends up in
the same exact cycle that OJ did, where he cannot
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be charged because there's not a jury that will convict
and say that he did one hundred percent the wrong thing.
Speaker 2 (14:56):
Yeah, that's going to be an interesting thing too. I am.
I'm a big law nerds, so I will be following
this trial and I'll be following all the pre trial
stuff as well, so it will be interesting to find
out what happens with it. I do believe that there
was a lot there was a lot of polarization, you know,
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the trial by internet, trial by public fire, you know,
and I felt a lot of people felt that, you know,
may have been retribution for things that this CEO may
or may not have done, and even above that, may
be retribution for healthcare companies as a whole. And then
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there's another whole school of thought that goes to, you know, well,
whoa whoa, you know, yeah, it may have happened, and
he may be guilty of things, or the company may
have done things and may be guilty of things, or
denying claims erroneously or all of that notwithstanding, But does
that warrant this man taking a gun and shooting him
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in the back of the head, like just outright in
public playing daylight.
Speaker 1 (16:10):
And that's so hard And I'm just gonna throw this
idea out there. Didn't even talk to you about it first,
But maybe it might be a smart idea, depending on
which days you have off and what days were available.
Maybe live stream. I mean, we may live react to
the Luigi Mangioni trial if we have free time. But
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I don't even think that it's like a situation of
like somebody's good, somebody's bad. I think everybody's sort of
the asshole here. And I don't know if you're on
Reddit a lot, but that's what the asshole is is
like everyone's the asshole here. You don't kill people because
killing people is bad. But at the same time, a
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CEO that did not sign off on numerous people getting
healthcare also technically murdered people bad. Yeah, this might this
might cause a change within those confines of the availability
of them actually being held accountable for those things.
Speaker 2 (17:17):
It made a change directly. I remember at the time, Uh,
there was another insurance company, Anthem, that was going to
change a policy with anesthesia, and I think it was
more administrative, having to you know, checking the doctors, making
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sure that they weren't over administering the anesthesia that kind
of thing, but they wanted to.
Speaker 1 (17:43):
Yeah, they wanted to limit how many hours you were
allowed to be under anesthesia. And after that point they
were no longer allowed to build the insurance company. It
was going to be built to you directly.
Speaker 2 (17:53):
That's so it was. It was an interesting turn of
events because right after uh the murder. Oh yeah, right
after that, they reversed course and decided not to make
that policy change. So it was it was very interesting
how it it. Directly it seemed to or appeared to
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have directly made an impact, some could say, and.
Speaker 1 (18:21):
As a whole like celebrity death or like public figure death,
it is hard to fully grasp. It's a whole new layer,
like the one that the one that I saw get
affected and affect everybody so negatively was Michael Jackson, Like,
it's the first big one that kind of like stuck
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out to me. And I don't know why, probably because
of all the jokes and everything that happened around it.
How questionable it was, like I was a little bit
too young for Tupac, I was a little bit too
young for Biggie. But like Michael Jackson, was around that
level where it was just in your face, like they
released his music afterwards and everything else, and it's just like, Okay,
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I'm not sad. Why is everybody else said.
Speaker 2 (19:08):
Yeah, it's in your face? And you know, I mean,
I think that's the one of the main differences. Like
you and I we are. We are very alike in
a lot of ways and entwined in a lot of ways,
but we're very polar opposites in a lot of ways too.
And one of the ways in which we appear to
be polar opposites in a lot of ways is the
way we take things in. And you take things in
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in more of a linear fashion, whereas I take things
in in more of a feel, raw emotion fashion. And
so I think that it all depends on, you know,
how you take in the world. And I think that
a lot of that grieving that public does for like
Michael Jackson's and the you know, the biggies in the Tupax,
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which I remember very well because that was right after
I graduated in high school, and things like that, like it.
Speaker 1 (19:57):
Was it was it they do timeline and for those
two they were bigger and growing during the time that
you were graduating and that happens at the peak of
their career. Huge to Me's that's where this gets confusing
and weird to me, Like Eminem hasn't passed, hopefully he doesn't.
Like that will genuinely be a sad day for me.
I will feel negative, But like Michael Jackson wasn't at
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his peak of his career in two thousand and six
seven whenever that was. But I remember, like people I
was going to school with thirteen fourteen, fifteen year olds
talking about how negative of a problem it was that
he passed, And it's just like, yes, you might have
heard one two songs or been a part of like
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enjoying his music, but you were not a part of
the wave that was Michael Jackson. Your generation absolutely might
be impacted by that. But why Like, if Eminem passed today,
I wouldn't expect my kids to be sad, Like they
might see me sad and be like, oh, that sucks, Adams,
or like I like his music too, Dad, I'm sorry.
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But like, at the same time, I don't expect them
to be like balling their eyes out, And seems like
that's almost like what everybody expected everybody to be.
Speaker 2 (21:14):
Yeah, It's just that it feels like almost you know,
how things are set up by the media, and I
feel like the same thing happens when celebrities pass, like
especially in music or a Matthew Perry type situation, where
they just set up their music or their shows over
and over and over, and there's the they just they
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play out. You know. Of course, yeah, they're trying to
memorialize a person, but I think that there's a piece
of that that that may add to or exacerbate, you know,
the public grief about the situation. And and as you know, conversely,
I think that with the learning that you know, the
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education that I've had around grief and getting through a
grief cycle is also the camaraderie of coming together, So
it can be both two things can be true at
the same time.
Speaker 1 (22:13):
Like I don't I don't not expect, you know, every
single trailer park and every single white you know, inner city,
if Eminem passed right now, that there wouldn't be fucking
candlelight vigils in every single fucking city center, because I do.
Speaker 2 (22:27):
Know you're gonna see it, you know, I mean, and
I just want to stop and back up right now,
because I know that when we're in the middle of things.
The language that we use sometimes isn't noticed. But you said,
I hope he doesn't and and Zach, he's gonna die.
He's gonna die at some point, so we need.
Speaker 1 (22:44):
To I didn't mean it that way. I'm saying, like,
right at this second, it's not happen right now.
Speaker 2 (22:48):
No, no, no, not right now. But you know, hopefully
there's none of that. But I think that at the
at that level of of icon in rap culture and
being a white man in rap culture, which is a
predominantly black.
Speaker 1 (23:04):
And you're gonna have a bigger you're going to have
a bigger impact than everything else. But absolutely I don't
I cannot understand, and this might be, you know, my
my logic base thinking here. I don't understand how that
is going to be different from Michael Jackson and why
Michael Jackson was mourned by billions of people when it
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was even people that were not his demographic mourning him.
Like there's gonna be a small percentage of that demographic
that's not his that's going to warn him. But why
is everybody? Why are flags at half mass? Why is
there such a drastic change in culture where it's like
everybody's sad. It's like, okay, yes, one person died, guys,
we got to keep going. If we freeze and stop
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right now because one person passed, we're giving up everything.
Speaker 2 (23:51):
Inevitably we do. Society does end up marching on word.
But I think that in the case of if we
want to put a Michael Jackson up against you know,
our personally me and you our man eminem is that
(24:13):
I think that for Michael Jackson, Yes, it did affect me.
I was growing up. I grew up with Michael Jackson music.
I think Michael Jackson music is more widespread wide and
rather than.
Speaker 1 (24:24):
Deep eminem is weird. He's like a culture defining person.
But if you're not a part of that culture, you
don't fucking care at all.
Speaker 2 (24:33):
For some reason, you miss everything but the stuff that's
on radio Top forty, and so you don't get the
complete package of Marshall Mathers that we me and you
have been studying from jump and onto every single album
that he's had, and yeah, it's deep, and we get
into his catalog like that, But at the at the
(24:57):
at the main of it, Michael Jackson had so many
top forty hits and people listen to Top forty, so
that I feel like overall, that's why most of the
world world over were mourning when he you know, when
he passed. It's weird. It's really weird.
Speaker 1 (25:17):
It's really weird when you compare it to somebody like
a president. And we've seen quite a few of them
passing in the most recent years, and we're probably going
to see a few pass in the next couple of years.
But uh, like, we have a lot of situations here
where these people are supposed to be the most powerful
and most demanding people of eyes in the entire world,
(25:40):
but yet for some reason, some of them just disappear
when they could be the most beauty. Like honestly, Jimmy
Carter was not a good president, but he was a
beautiful fucking person. And it's just like, Okay, it seemed
like it went by silently almost there was the post. Yeah,
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but it's not that that doesn't make sense.
Speaker 2 (26:04):
Who knew that Jimmy Carter was a good person. I mean,
I'd never heard any of that. I heard how shitty
of a president he was, but I've never heard of
his person.
Speaker 1 (26:15):
As soon as he was done with being president, he
started doing Habitat for Humanity and funding Habitat for Humanity
almost on a yearly thing, even when he wasn't able
to walk. He was at Habitat for Humanity with a
fucking bruise covering his eye and an eye patch and
hoping that he could hold it together enough to bang
in together a nail into a window. And it's just like, obviously, dude,
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the dude cares about people at minimum, why, Like honestly,
and this is this is like a weird conversation about
celebrity and death and everything else. But like the idols
that we look at, or the idols that we portray
into being these big, huge, amazing people to some people's
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eyes or a massag eyes is really weird to me.
Speaker 2 (27:04):
Yeah, it's become extremely strange to me the more I
get to know, uh, and learn about celebrity in general
and you know, the how how they're treated and going
into it, just it's amazing to me, absolutely amazing to
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me how people idolize what in essence is a character
because you don't know these people from Adam And we're
finding that out with the ditties and the jay Z's
allegedly that's okay.
Speaker 1 (27:48):
The entire town burn down, all of them are safe.
Speaker 2 (27:51):
Now, Well, I mean, I mean, if you want to
should have the tapes. I mean there there are arguing
in court about these nine tapes, and these tapes should
not still be in Ditty's house. So they should be
with the FED somewhere on safe deposit box. And if
they can, hope so I do too, because a lot
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of people have been saying, you know, we well, okay,
there's fired, there goes there goes evidence. And I'm saying, well,
if the houses were raided in Miami, which most of
the stuff was taken, even if the houses were raided
in LA, they had to have been taken to a
centralized FBI location, I would think, or one would think
(28:33):
how the FBI is supposed to work, you know, audit
checks and balances, those type of things.
Speaker 1 (28:38):
And a lot of that shit. A lot of that
shit taught me to you know, question my kids' choices
in who they idolized. Yeah, I don't even like that
they idolize me, like, like, don't idolize me. Like I
love you guys to death. I'll be your superhero whatever
you need me to be, but don't think I'm an
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idol I'm just a person. I'm going to fuck up
millions of times in between today and tomorrow. And you know,
if that doesn't change things, then go ahead. Understand I'm
a flawed person.
Speaker 2 (29:10):
Though. Oh yeah.
Speaker 1 (29:11):
It's like, don't idalize anybody.
Speaker 2 (29:13):
My mom was my hero, but you know, understand that
she was a human, very blood and I understand that
it is what it is, you know. I mean, your
kids are going to look at you the way they're
going to look at you. You're not going to be
able to change that. Just making sure that they know
that you are a flawed human and you know they
understand that they will.
Speaker 1 (29:35):
It's such a surreal thing, like and I don't know
if this is just like single mother syndrome or what,
but it's like you learn so much of like don't
question mama. Mama's always right. The first thing you do
is you think mama as soon as you make it,
and it's just like that's not always the answer. It's
like if you just idolize somebody and put somebody up
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on a pedestal like that, whether that's a celebrity, a
family member like that person, if you meet them or
you or they're a part of your life and they're
not perfect and you realize it it's gonna hurt.
Speaker 2 (30:08):
Yeah, it's very it's very interesting to watch, you know,
when something happens with the celebrity, how the general public
just flocks and I heed warning that these people are
human and what's done in the dark will come to
light and it's it's the house of cards is falling
as we speak with things that are happening, and just
(30:31):
you know, I mean, it is interesting, it's interesting to watch.
It's interesting to watch it all happen, and these fires,
it brings up a whole nother You've talked about layers
of grief. We've touched on about ten layers of grief
already in this conversation. But the fire alone, you have
seven hundred layers of grief there alone. I mean, on
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one end of the spectrum, you have all these rich
people that have lost their houses. Oh great, well, I
mean fire insurance was camp up for everybody. Well, they
can afford it. But these people in La that all
they have was an apartment and they live in paycheck
to paycheck to get through in that apartment. Those people
live there too, A lot of them live there too.
They get lost in the oh the Palisades or Malibu,
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c you know, I mean, I get it. You know,
these people have a lot of heirlooms, and I know
that they can rebuild, but there's a lot of people
that cannot. It's sad. It's sad.
Speaker 1 (31:30):
I remember probably like eight to ten years ago when
we were living in the gated community and my mom's
friend's house burnt down right after we bought Senna.
Speaker 2 (31:45):
And yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I remember that.
Speaker 1 (31:50):
And for a while in that situation, they looked at
her and was like, we're not paying anything. This is
not our problem, this is not our thing, like and
it's just like they would tell them that they weren't
allowed in their own house that yeah, you paid for it,
you own it, but you're not allowed here. And it's
just like, okay, you didn't buy it from me.
Speaker 2 (32:11):
That's nuts. Yeah, because that seems to be going on
over in California. Happened in Lahina too, where people can't
go back and see their property or there's major restrictions
on them being able to do that, and that just
is it's devastating. It's devastating to people, especially people who
have worked so hard or spent so much of their
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talent and money on these things. And I guess, you know,
to a lot of people's to some of the people
out there, that's what they have, that's what they spent
them on. That's what matters to them. That's what hits
them in the gut is the money. Others what hit
them in the gut is how hard they work for
this house that they may not have been able to
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get without their father in law's cost sign, and they're
working paycheck to paycheck to make the mortgage payments, and
they may have been ten years away from paying off
that house and it's gone. Yeah, it's freaking horrible. I
can't even imagine. I mean, I imagine, I imagine every day.
It's all over the news. It's flattened. It's a wasteland.
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It's like a damn war zone out there. It's crazy town.
Speaker 1 (33:21):
It's a surreal feeling. And it's really hard to empathize
because I wasn't I'm not there, but I can compare
it to things that I felt, and it's just like, Okay,
so I knew when somebody walked out that door. Essentially
I'm flipping the bird to one hundred thousand dollars and
it's just like, I don't know if life's ever gonna
(33:44):
be okay again, and I have to try and figure
out and put these pieces back together. I could only
imagine if you know, you're walking away from two hundred
and fifty three hundred and fifty thousand dollars, every single
memory of every single picture that you've ever had in
your entire life, and just being like, I don't know
if I can be home alone again. Like and obviously
(34:06):
he wasn't a part of it, but at the same time,
it's like he's not fucking nine years old anymore. Like,
regardless of if they're a celebrity, regardless of if they
have a million dollar house, at the same time, they're
not the same person they were when they bought that house,
and they need that money.
Speaker 2 (34:23):
No, And you know, it has it has its own meaning,
you know, to them, to everybody, everybody's got touched touches
their own meaning to everything. I know that it's really tough.
It's really hard, especially when you have you know, everything's
in the public eye. It's so the public opinion, and
(34:45):
so you have the things that you see on the
mainstream news, and then you see things on your alternative outlets.
You know, I I gear more towards the alternative outlets
since I'd have to say since the George Floyd riots,
(35:05):
because the mainstream media. That's when I really woke up
to the mainstream media telling you one thing was happening,
and then you're looking at these people that are streaming
on YouTube and they're in Portland or they're in Minneapolis,
and a completely different thing is happening.
Speaker 1 (35:21):
And it was just not even right after that happened.
It was when his autopsy came out. His autopsy coming
out was the most disgusting thing to me, not because
it shouldn't have been released, because it absolutely should have been,
but the fact that they still burnt cities to the
ground after they proved that he was on drugs.
Speaker 2 (35:45):
Yeah, you know, they could prove. They proved so many things.
Speaker 1 (35:49):
Video was released and he was having a panic attack
and everything else was still was the police officer and
the right Absolutely No, No, I don't think anybody should
say that he's in the right. No, you can't intentionally
kill somebody. I don't think he was malicious. I think
he was ignorant.
Speaker 2 (36:06):
I think a lot of that was ignorance, and I
think that it was disasserted, and then you know, just
catapulted forward and it led the way for a massive,
a massive collection of donations from the BLM organization, which
(36:31):
turned out to be a huge financial scam. And just
to comfort full circle on that idea, guess whose mansions
got burned.
Speaker 1 (36:42):
Still banking the money. That's the hard part because you know,
now that their house is burnt down, there's going to
be fifteen more problems the next time any little thing happened.
And it's not because one life is little, because it's
not zero. People should ever die until it you're time
(37:03):
to die. But nobody other than me should profit off
of my death.
Speaker 2 (37:12):
Yeah, like it was. It just seemed like and just
like everything else that I'm you know, noticing, because now
that I'm paying attention, you know, you have the the
grift of of making millions and billions and millions of
dollars off this man's death and and and then finding
out what actually was in his system and things that
(37:34):
actually were put on an autopsy report, and yet allowing
it to continue and go forward, captivating a whole city
in freaking Oregon, Cordy setting setting police departments on fire,
leading to massive cuts in in in in public safety
(37:55):
budgets and the water why and they wonder why crime
has has been out of out of sight. Now again, uh,
this most current administration will say, crime is not out
of sight. Well, I beg to differ. I beg to differ.
Let's see which cities are reporting crimes, because you know,
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your major metropolitan cities don't have to report the crimes,
and so that's why they wrote those crime numbers down.
And then there's revisions.
Speaker 1 (38:25):
You have stake like you have states like California, you
have states like New York, Washington, Oregon, all of the
Democrat led states, all of them say okay, guys, if
you commit a crime and we're overflowed with prisoners right now,
it doesn't matter what crime you commit, you may never
face fucking jail time because we're going to release you
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as soon as you get fucking caught.
Speaker 2 (38:48):
Well, that's exactly what happened in California. And that happened
in California with somebody that came over here illegally, got
some kind of asylum and then started setting fires out
there with the other fires. Then he got arrested and
then let go again because they don't keep them. It's
it's amazing the cycle of madness that you can allow
(39:14):
until until you don't allow it. And I have. You know,
when you live partially online, you see a lot of
the public opinion, the court of public opinion, come into play,
and a lot of the the typical left leaning or
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major progressive actors and people that live and breathe California
are just pissed off and they are getting in front
of their cameras on their platforms with their million, two million,
five million, ten million subscribers, and they are just letting loose.
And it's not you know, I mean, I did a
(39:59):
whole I did a video so on my YouTube that
I'm revamping and TikTok, and I was is it accountability?
Is it politics or is it accountability? You know, you
want to say it's politics and you want to cry
victim because few people are making it political. I don't
think that's the case. I think they're just trying to
find accountability.
Speaker 1 (40:16):
Care and sexuality preference stuff. The left has turned that
from a political talking point into your identity. Oh yeah, yeah,
Like if you look at if you look at socialized healthcare,
I am very fucking far right. Anybody who has a
conversation with me understands I'm far right. I am completely
equal in like seeing everybody equal. But I want the
(40:39):
right to own guns. I don't. I do not want
every single person able to fucking claim random shit and
me all of a sudden lose everything because you want
to say something because I'm a loud motherfucker online, But
go fuck yourself. Like, I am very far right, but
I believe in socialized medicine because at some point you
have to take from the fucking people that are making
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billions of dollars off every single person in the country
because they feel like increasing the price is the only answer.
But the thing is is when every single person that's
saying I need socialized medicine is five hundred and fifty pounds,
needs six shots of ozepic a day, doesn't have diabetes,
but drinks six fucking two liters of fucking mountain dew
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and has three big macs a day. Honestly, your optics
are horrible. You don't understand what that looks like.
Speaker 2 (41:32):
Yeah, you're retarding. It's absolutely you know it has to
be everybody's own eye opening or awakening moment. I know
I have had mine. I know your mother's in the
middle of hers. She's making changes that I'm astonished with.
But I really feel like if we took that along
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the lines what you were just saying, if we took
that money, the billions of dollars that these executives and
see eos of healthcare companies are making, and instead of
giving them a billion, two billion, ten billion dollars depending
on how many claims they deny or don't deny, or
how many of you know, whatever save costs saving measures
(42:16):
that they want to take, you know, instead of giving
it to the CEO or rewarding them, give them a
fucking salary and let them have their salary. But how
about put that back into the healthcare system, i e.
The kind of socialized medicine that you're talking about. Because
what's going on up in Canada isn't working. So we
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got to take that and we got to add to it,
and we got to make it work and make it
more timely.
Speaker 1 (42:43):
Look at the we look at the three things that
really kind of should be rights now because of the
way the world works, not because I believe that they're
innate rights. From the beginning. You have healthcare, which is
a questionable thing from either side, and these things should
be federalized. You have health care, which probably should be federalized.
Your public work systems should not be fucking localized or
(43:05):
be privately owned companies. There should not be a private
fucking electric company. Every fucking house should just have power
available to it. It shouldn't be fucking rocket science. Were
the number one world power in the world, and yet
for some reason, the third largest state in the country
has the highest price per wattage in the entire country.
Speaker 2 (43:29):
Oh, let's not talk about the delivery fees of wattage.
Speaker 1 (43:33):
But that's my point is like that should be federalized.
It just makes sense for it to be federalized. And
then you have the last thing which might questionably be
federalized here, which is access to the internet. And we've
seen that pseudo availability now change so drastically in the
past ten years, and the availability to this thing change
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so drastically. I remember when me and my ex wife
first got together. She lived in a house that barely
had fucking satellite TV and didn't have any internet, didn't
have a computer in her house, had one TV in
her parents' room. That was the only place that they
could watch TV and it's just like this world's changed
(44:16):
a lot since then.
Speaker 2 (44:18):
Yeah, yep, but.
Speaker 1 (44:20):
Those three things are life altering. Yeah, rights almost because
we need the availability to connect with people.
Speaker 2 (44:30):
No, it's the age of information. That's where you get
all your information. Like, so there's no encyclopedias anymore.
Speaker 1 (44:36):
Yeah, like it's some white they have to and all
three of them makes sense. That genuinely just too. Yeah,
so I kind of want to hear your guys' opinion.
What do you think? Do you think we're crazy on
those points? First off, hearts go out to fucking California.
Speaker 2 (44:59):
We hope that.
Speaker 1 (45:01):
So don't give about the company, I give a fuck
about the people.
Speaker 2 (45:05):
Yeah, it doesn't matter all all politics aside, all talking
about accountability aside. I think that we do that as
New Yorkers people that are removed from the situation, because
that's what we can do. We feel for those people,
and so we really want to kind of reason through it,
(45:26):
because why they can't. They are in the middle of
the fighting for their lives, they're fighting for their property.
Speaker 1 (45:32):
I really really fear what I see happening.
Speaker 2 (45:35):
Yeah, it's crazy.
Speaker 1 (45:37):
I hope that all of that Beachfront property doesn't get
bought out by some political affiliate or some specific person
that gets a huge fucking contract to do it. I
hope that it's individual people still, but I don't think
it's going to be.
Speaker 2 (45:52):
Yeah, tinfoil hats, it's another land grad but well, well
we'll see.
Speaker 1 (45:57):
That's feel Yeah, guys, give your opinion down in the comments.
Tell us you know you're crazy shit that you're dealing with,
so we can help you. And you know we're still
fucking here.
Speaker 2 (46:06):
It's a lonely road. It's a lonely road, but we
can do it together.
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