May 15, 2025 • 15 mins
About M2 THE ROCK - MICHAEL MOLTHAN:
I’m Michael Molthan, host of The M2 The Rock Show—one of the fastest-growing podcasts and shows on self-improvement, mental health, addiction recovery, and spiritual transformation. I’m so grateful you’re here.I started M2 The Rock in 2017 to bring you conversations designed to make you happier, healthier, and more healed. Through raw and unfiltered discussions with experts, celebrities, thought leaders, and athletes, we uncover new perspectives on personal growth, recovery, and overcoming life’s toughest challenges.
My Story:
What sets my journey apart is that there wasn’t just one rock bottom—there were many. From being a successful luxury homebuilder to falling into addiction, homelessness, crime, and eventually 27 mugshots and prison, my life was in absolute chaos.Addiction was my temporary escape from childhood trauma, but it only led to destruction.
It wasn’t until I hit the lowest point imaginable that I finally found true freedom, redemption, and purpose. After an unexpected early release from prison in 2017, I walked 300 miles back to Dallas to turn myself in—only to be miraculously pardoned and told to “pay it forward.”And that’s exactly what I’ve been doing ever since.My MissionI believe that rock bottom is not the end—it’s a stepping stone to something greater.
My goal is to redefine what "rock bottom" means by helping others rebuild their Spirit, Mind, and Body. On M2 The Rock, I speak openly about trauma, addiction, recovery, and the power of transformation. I don’t shy away from topics like:
✅ Trauma & Addiction – Understanding the root causes
✅ Self-Sabotage & Mental Health – Breaking negative cycles
✅ Codependency & Enabling – How relationships impact recovery
✅ 12-Step Programs & Spiritual Healing – Finding true freedom
✅ Religious Trauma & Personal Growth – Healing from past wounds
"Everyone Is An Addict."
Whether it’s substances, work, validation, or negative thinking, we all have something we struggle with.
But recovery is possible, and transformation is real.
📺 Watch my story on I AM SECOND (9-Minute Film): Watch Here
📩 To book me for speaking engagements or collaborations: Email m2@m2therock.com
🔔 Join the Movement. Subscribe to M2 The Rock and start your journey of self-improvement, healing, and purpose.
🔔 Don’t forget to LIKE & SUBSCRIBE for more powerful faith-based content!
🌎 Website: https://m2therock.com/
▶️ YouTube: @MICHAELMOLTHANM2
📸 Instagram: @m2therockshow
Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/the-m2-the-rock-show-michael-molthan--3443849/support.
I’m Michael Molthan, host of The M2 The Rock Show—one of the fastest-growing podcasts and shows on self-improvement, mental health, addiction recovery, and spiritual transformation. I’m so grateful you’re here.I started M2 The Rock in 2017 to bring you conversations designed to make you happier, healthier, and more healed. Through raw and unfiltered discussions with experts, celebrities, thought leaders, and athletes, we uncover new perspectives on personal growth, recovery, and overcoming life’s toughest challenges.
My Story:
What sets my journey apart is that there wasn’t just one rock bottom—there were many. From being a successful luxury homebuilder to falling into addiction, homelessness, crime, and eventually 27 mugshots and prison, my life was in absolute chaos.Addiction was my temporary escape from childhood trauma, but it only led to destruction.
It wasn’t until I hit the lowest point imaginable that I finally found true freedom, redemption, and purpose. After an unexpected early release from prison in 2017, I walked 300 miles back to Dallas to turn myself in—only to be miraculously pardoned and told to “pay it forward.”And that’s exactly what I’ve been doing ever since.My MissionI believe that rock bottom is not the end—it’s a stepping stone to something greater.
My goal is to redefine what "rock bottom" means by helping others rebuild their Spirit, Mind, and Body. On M2 The Rock, I speak openly about trauma, addiction, recovery, and the power of transformation. I don’t shy away from topics like:
✅ Trauma & Addiction – Understanding the root causes
✅ Self-Sabotage & Mental Health – Breaking negative cycles
✅ Codependency & Enabling – How relationships impact recovery
✅ 12-Step Programs & Spiritual Healing – Finding true freedom
✅ Religious Trauma & Personal Growth – Healing from past wounds
"Everyone Is An Addict."
Whether it’s substances, work, validation, or negative thinking, we all have something we struggle with.
But recovery is possible, and transformation is real.
📺 Watch my story on I AM SECOND (9-Minute Film): Watch Here
📩 To book me for speaking engagements or collaborations: Email m2@m2therock.com
🔔 Join the Movement. Subscribe to M2 The Rock and start your journey of self-improvement, healing, and purpose.
🔔 Don’t forget to LIKE & SUBSCRIBE for more powerful faith-based content!
🌎 Website: https://m2therock.com/
▶️ YouTube: @MICHAELMOLTHANM2
📸 Instagram: @m2therockshow
Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/the-m2-the-rock-show-michael-molthan--3443849/support.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Good evening on one Michael moltenem to the rock.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
We're coming to you live right now from Dallas, Texas.
And special shout out to all of our inmates across
the country who are listening to this show on all
their tablets. So I want to give you all a
special shout out and keep the hope and I hope
you're getting out soon. And if you're not getting out,
start a ministry, serve someone else that is that's in
(00:26):
the tank with you, and read to them.
Speaker 1 (00:28):
That's what I did.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
I just started reading to people before we get started.
I want to really emphasize on June third and the
fourth of this year coming up coming up in about
a week, June third and the fourth of this year,
go to Jesus twenty twenty two dot com because it's
going to be the Men's Encounter North. The Men's Encounter
North will be on June third and the fourth. They're
(00:52):
going to have speakers like Major Dodge. He's an actor,
Tim Llewellyn. I probably butchered his name. He's going to
be an actor. We've got John bord Street who's an
award winning author and child advocate. Also, we've got a
handful of speakers that will be speaking on the third
and I will be speaking back and clean up on
the night.
Speaker 1 (01:12):
Of the fourth or the fourth. So if you have
any questions.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
Go to Jesus twenty two dot com. It's going to
be at Sabine Creek Ranch in Royce City. That's in
Royce City, so y'all tune into that and we'll go
from there. So other announcements is that we've got some
If y'all been asking about the documentary that was filmed
on me, we are going to be releasing that after
(01:36):
a special documentary.
Speaker 1 (01:38):
That was filmed about a month ago, so we.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
Have to release that one first and then we'll release
the forty minute long documentary of my story and.
Speaker 1 (01:50):
In travels My Story and Travel.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
So okay, today I want to talk to you about
the different phases of early recovery. And I see someone
in here. You're celebrating thirty days. Congratulations, Everybody. Hit the
hearts on Facebook live. If you're watching on YouTube, hit
the subscribe button. And also today for your service work,
your donation to the show. Share it out, you know,
(02:14):
share this to all your groups, and share it to
your timeline because you never know who is watching. This
that they will provide some hope that this one word
or one comment in the comments will We'll just spark it.
It'll plant a seed. So also in the comments, tell
me where you're watching from. You know where you're watching from.
(02:34):
And also questions. All right, I'm accepting questions on today's
show throughout so I've got my I've got my live
feed on so I'm seeing everyone. But let's first start
out in early recovery and the first thirty to forty
five days of early recovery. We have three phases. I'll
(02:55):
come back to that. We have three phases which is
called the detox, the detox phase.
Speaker 1 (03:01):
The second phase.
Speaker 2 (03:02):
That we have is the honeymoon phase. It's also called
the pink cloud. And then the third phase that we
have is called the wall phase. Now it's very important.
This is where the twelve Steps come in and help
a lot of people like myself. And we did the
last show on the Twelve Steps in thirty minutes. I
think we did in thirty three minutes. So if you
(03:23):
haven't seen that, go back and you can watch that show.
But here are the three phases of early recovery, and
I won't be long. The first phase is the detox phase. Okay,
that is the physical part where we are detoxing off
of alcohol or drugs or gambling, whatever addiction it is.
And what happens is is we are removing the chemicals
(03:43):
out of our body. You know, some people have to
go to detox. Some people try to you know, quit
cold turkey if it's alcohol, anything that threatens your life,
you know, called nine to one one, or get into
a local detox because the detox is what they're what
their whole priority is to get you stable, to get
you stable, and then you go from there either to
(04:05):
a treatment center or recovery coach or straight into a
twelve step recovery room. But we can't do this alone.
I want to emphasize that. So the first phase is
the detox phase. And what happens in the detox phase
is that we have removed the alcohol and drugs from
our body. So the body is readjusting, the mind is readjusting,
(04:26):
and physically the brain is readjusting. And what is happening
is is that the brain has been depleted of so
much dopamine. Now, dopamine is our feel good juice, It's
our feel good part of our brain where we feel
good and it's been depleted.
Speaker 1 (04:43):
So in these thirty to forty five days.
Speaker 2 (04:46):
The brain is creating huge amounts of dopamine. And what
happens is is after the detox phase, and when our
whole body is detoxed from the drugs and alcohol, the dopamine.
Just imagine a cup and the way that our normal
brain is we carry a certain amount of dopamine, but
(05:07):
the brain increases and creates so much dopamine that it
goes over the cup and we get this amazing feeling
life is great.
Speaker 1 (05:17):
We get this.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
Hope, and sometimes it's a false sense of hope. And
y'all told me that hope is a sometimes a very
very dangerous place to be because we think we're well.
So we get in this pink cloud phase and it's
twelve step.
Speaker 1 (05:31):
Progray in the in the rooms.
Speaker 2 (05:33):
It usually happens after about thirty to forty five days
of attending support group meetings. We can relate to the
people who are talking. We start nodding our head up
and down. We get some hope, and what happens is
is that we think we are getting better and we
do not need to continue to go to support group meetings.
And then the relapse happens.
Speaker 1 (05:54):
And then we.
Speaker 2 (05:54):
Don't know why that phase, not the relapse phase, but
this believable stimulation in euphoria that's called the pink cloud.
Speaker 1 (06:04):
Okay, it's called the honeymoon phase.
Speaker 2 (06:05):
The pink cloud where we're just like, everything's great. You know,
life is great, everything's great. I'm good, I'm Gucci. And
then the next step that happens in this early phase
of recovery is called the wall phase. What happens is
that the brain starts getting the dopamine levels back to normal,
our normal dopamine level. And once the dopamine gets back
(06:29):
to that level, we hit what's.
Speaker 1 (06:31):
Called the wall phase.
Speaker 2 (06:32):
And I don't know if you can relate to this,
but we hit this wall phase and it's almost like, oh, really,
this is what recovery.
Speaker 1 (06:39):
Is all about. Oh my god.
Speaker 2 (06:42):
And we become a dry drunk or a dry drug addict,
and it's almost like the thoughts start coming into my
head like I don't want to pray, I don't want
to read the book, I don't want to read literature.
I definitely don't want to call anybody. So what happens
is we start isolating. And when we isolate, we get depressed,
we're lonely, and so our only choice is to drink
(07:04):
and drug because we want to get that dopamine back.
Speaker 1 (07:08):
So what's the solution. The solution is.
Speaker 2 (07:10):
It's very important and it's not a set rule, but
the reason why there's ninety meetings in ninety days is
to get past this hump. We get past the hump,
because you do get over the hump. I got over
the hump where we start getting acquainted to whatever normal is.
All right, but we start getting acquainted and we stay
(07:32):
connected with men, women stay connected with women, and we
have a fellowship. The opposite of addiction is connection. And
that's why it's so important in forever recovery is that connection.
Once that connection is made, the phone calls to our
mentor sponsor therapist is very very important, as it always is.
(07:54):
But that's when we pick up the phone and call
and you say, hey, I'm feeling sluggish, I'm feeling depressed,
feeling so good?
Speaker 1 (08:01):
What happened? What just happened to me?
Speaker 2 (08:04):
And that's what happened. Happens in the wallfhase let me
lay it out in the steps. Step one and two
is the detox phase. I mean, I'm sorry. Step one
is the detox phase. Step two is the pink cloud phase.
That's why I've always always preached that we get to
step three as fast as possible. The sooner I got
to Step three. When I made that decision to turn
(08:26):
my will and life over to the care of God
as I understood him, that's when I crossed over to
the supernatural.
Speaker 1 (08:32):
And there was no wall phase. There was no.
Speaker 2 (08:35):
Wall phase because because once I hit that, I continue
to work the remainder of the steps. And what happened
is my spiritual My spiritual, the spirit inside me started
to grow and I experienced real hope.
Speaker 1 (08:51):
What is hope.
Speaker 2 (08:52):
Hope is when we get the privilege to go into
the future with another man or woman in recovery. I
can't do it alone, so we go into the future
with another man in recovery. And it looks like this, Hey,
when we finish these steps, you're going to feel so
much better. And I was like, man, that's great. That
gives me some hope. Let's work through these steps and
step three. We made that decision to turn our will
(09:14):
and life over to the care of God as we
understand him. Right, we have that personal relationship. For me,
it's a personal relationship with Christ. To this day, I
can't believe I'm saying it, but it works for me.
But that personal relationship with Christ. Now I'm excited. Now
I'm excited to go to the fourth step and take
(09:35):
a personal inventory so I can figure out why I'm
doing the things that I'm doing. And then I get
to share this with another man, which is a mentor, sponsor,
pastor or therapist. And none of this can be done alone.
None of this because we want to figure out why
we have resentments and it's based on fear.
Speaker 1 (09:57):
So here we go.
Speaker 2 (09:58):
Let's talk about fear. What does fear work. Fear works
like this. Fear stands for false evidence, appearing real. It's fake,
it doesn't exist, okay, But it's also an opportunity. It's
an opportunity to turn to God in for my faith
to grow, or to turn to me and start drinking
(10:20):
and drugging. When we get the feeling of fear, and
I'm going to provide the solution here and it's going.
Speaker 1 (10:25):
To blow you away.
Speaker 2 (10:27):
When we get into the feeling of fear and we
don't do anything about it, it turns into what a
resentment all right. When we have a resentment, it's because
I play a role in it. Now that's very hard
for people to understand in early recoveries, because I play
a role in it. If I don't do anything with
the feeling of resentment, then it turns into anger. Something
(10:49):
so simple like someone not returning your text message. I'm
in fear that they don't like me. I'm in fear
that they don't want to talk to me. I'm in
fear that they don't love me anymore, and that fear
will turn it in to a resentment. And if I
don't do anything with the resentment, now it turns into anger.
And then when I'm angry, what do I do when
(11:10):
I'm angry? I don't like that feeling, so then it
turns into rage. Can you relate to this?
Speaker 1 (11:14):
So just a simple.
Speaker 2 (11:15):
Text message, no one's returning my text message?
Speaker 1 (11:18):
Now I'm in rage.
Speaker 2 (11:19):
I'm in rage, like, how could you do that to me?
I always return your text messages? How can you do
this to me? We're in rage, we're gripping the steering
will tight, We're we don't know what to do. We
were coming out of control, so I don't know what
to do with that feeling. Okay, So if I don't
do anything with that feeling, then it turns into isolation
and isolations where we start getting dark.
Speaker 1 (11:41):
So when we.
Speaker 2 (11:42):
Shut down, the walls come up and we say listen,
if they text me back, I'm not texting them back.
Speaker 1 (11:48):
I don't any think.
Speaker 2 (11:49):
In fact, I don't want anything to do with anybody.
How could this world treat me this way? How could
this world treat me this way? Here's where it gets dangerous.
When we don't do anything with the feeling of isolation,
then it turns into paranoia. And what paranoia is like
paranoia is this paranoia is when.
Speaker 1 (12:11):
They don't text me back.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
I get in my head and I think they don't
like me, They're gonna leave me, everybody hates me, and
we start believing it.
Speaker 1 (12:23):
This is all.
Speaker 2 (12:25):
A result of fear. So what is the solution to fear?
All right, there is a right answer. The right answer
is simply this, and I want you to write this down.
Speaker 1 (12:38):
What is the solution to fear? One word talk talk
the solution to fear.
Speaker 2 (12:46):
If we don't do anything with fear, it turns into resentment.
If we don't do it, the resentment turns into anger.
If we don't do anything with anger, it turns into rage.
If we don't do anything with rage, it turns into isolation.
If we don't do anything with isolation, it turns into paranoia.
So to hit this from the very beginning, when I'm
(13:07):
in fear, I have to reach out to my sponsor
or my mentor and say, I am so in my
head right now, I am in fear. Well, what do
you in fear about? I am in fear because I
don't think I'm going to get this job. Okay, Well,
when are they supposed to call you back Friday? I
(13:28):
got good news, very good news.
Speaker 1 (13:31):
Today's Monday.
Speaker 2 (13:33):
And so fear is when I go into the future
alone tripping. Okay, when I go into the future alone,
I get anxious, I get paranoid, I get angry, I
go into rage, and I isolate.
Speaker 1 (13:46):
That's a result of me going into the future alone.
Speaker 2 (13:49):
All right, that's fear. So what do we do we serve?
How do we stay here?
Speaker 1 (13:56):
Right now?
Speaker 2 (13:57):
We serve based on my experience, when I get into fear,
I will go from fear all the way to paranoia
like that, these phases that I told you, it's not slow,
it's quick.
Speaker 1 (14:08):
Can y'all relate to that?
Speaker 2 (14:10):
It goes from that to paranoia where I really think
that people are doing it to me.
Speaker 1 (14:16):
People are doing it to me.
Speaker 2 (14:18):
So the solution is that we talk about it and
we serve. We serve, we help another person. A man
helps another man, a woman helps another woman. So if
you're in fear right now, this is what I want
you to do. I want you to reach out to
someone and simply say this, Hey, I'm just checking on you.
Speaker 1 (14:37):
Are you okay?
Speaker 2 (14:38):
You know I was, you know, I got in my head.
Speaker 1 (14:41):
I'm in my head.
Speaker 2 (14:42):
I need to get out of my head, and I
just wanted to see how you're doing. Sometimes I'll say this,
I'm really glad you called. I'm in my head too,
and then automatically the spiritual takes over. Right, both people
are out of their head. Both people are out of
their head. And for those who listen to in the
institutions are in the prisons, this is snapping.
Speaker 1 (15:04):
Snapping.
Speaker 2 (15:05):
So with that said, fear is false evidence appearing real.
It's not real. It's not real. The Bible says, do
not fear God, But what does it mean to fear God?
We take them real serious fearing God means we take
them seriously. God will allow me to go into the
future alone and into the past alone, So when the
(15:27):
pain gets bad enough, I will turn to him and
hit my knees to get me in the now. I'll
end with this. The safest place in the world, the
safest place in the world, is right here, right now,
because That's where God's at.
Speaker 1 (15:45):
Good Night,
Good evening on one Michael moltenem to the rock.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
We're coming to you live right now from Dallas, Texas.
And special shout out to all of our inmates across
the country who are listening to this show on all
their tablets. So I want to give you all a
special shout out and keep the hope and I hope
you're getting out soon. And if you're not getting out,
start a ministry, serve someone else that is that's in
(00:26):
the tank with you, and read to them.
Speaker 1 (00:28):
That's what I did.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
I just started reading to people before we get started.
I want to really emphasize on June third and the
fourth of this year coming up coming up in about
a week, June third and the fourth of this year,
go to Jesus twenty twenty two dot com because it's
going to be the Men's Encounter North. The Men's Encounter
North will be on June third and the fourth. They're
(00:52):
going to have speakers like Major Dodge. He's an actor,
Tim Llewellyn. I probably butchered his name. He's going to
be an actor. We've got John bord Street who's an
award winning author and child advocate. Also, we've got a
handful of speakers that will be speaking on the third
and I will be speaking back and clean up on
the night.
Speaker 1 (01:12):
Of the fourth or the fourth. So if you have
any questions.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
Go to Jesus twenty two dot com. It's going to
be at Sabine Creek Ranch in Royce City. That's in
Royce City, so y'all tune into that and we'll go
from there. So other announcements is that we've got some
If y'all been asking about the documentary that was filmed
on me, we are going to be releasing that after
(01:36):
a special documentary.
Speaker 1 (01:38):
That was filmed about a month ago, so we.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
Have to release that one first and then we'll release
the forty minute long documentary of my story and.
Speaker 1 (01:50):
In travels My Story and Travel.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
So okay, today I want to talk to you about
the different phases of early recovery. And I see someone
in here. You're celebrating thirty days. Congratulations, Everybody. Hit the
hearts on Facebook live. If you're watching on YouTube, hit
the subscribe button. And also today for your service work,
your donation to the show. Share it out, you know,
(02:14):
share this to all your groups, and share it to
your timeline because you never know who is watching. This
that they will provide some hope that this one word
or one comment in the comments will We'll just spark it.
It'll plant a seed. So also in the comments, tell
me where you're watching from. You know where you're watching from.
(02:34):
And also questions. All right, I'm accepting questions on today's
show throughout so I've got my I've got my live
feed on so I'm seeing everyone. But let's first start
out in early recovery and the first thirty to forty
five days of early recovery. We have three phases. I'll
(02:55):
come back to that. We have three phases which is
called the detox, the detox phase.
Speaker 1 (03:01):
The second phase.
Speaker 2 (03:02):
That we have is the honeymoon phase. It's also called
the pink cloud. And then the third phase that we
have is called the wall phase. Now it's very important.
This is where the twelve Steps come in and help
a lot of people like myself. And we did the
last show on the Twelve Steps in thirty minutes. I
think we did in thirty three minutes. So if you
(03:23):
haven't seen that, go back and you can watch that show.
But here are the three phases of early recovery, and
I won't be long. The first phase is the detox phase. Okay,
that is the physical part where we are detoxing off
of alcohol or drugs or gambling, whatever addiction it is.
And what happens is is we are removing the chemicals
(03:43):
out of our body. You know, some people have to
go to detox. Some people try to you know, quit
cold turkey if it's alcohol, anything that threatens your life,
you know, called nine to one one, or get into
a local detox because the detox is what they're what
their whole priority is to get you stable, to get
you stable, and then you go from there either to
(04:05):
a treatment center or recovery coach or straight into a
twelve step recovery room. But we can't do this alone.
I want to emphasize that. So the first phase is
the detox phase. And what happens in the detox phase
is that we have removed the alcohol and drugs from
our body. So the body is readjusting, the mind is readjusting,
(04:26):
and physically the brain is readjusting. And what is happening
is is that the brain has been depleted of so
much dopamine. Now, dopamine is our feel good juice, It's
our feel good part of our brain where we feel
good and it's been depleted.
Speaker 1 (04:43):
So in these thirty to forty five days.
Speaker 2 (04:46):
The brain is creating huge amounts of dopamine. And what
happens is is after the detox phase, and when our
whole body is detoxed from the drugs and alcohol, the dopamine.
Just imagine a cup and the way that our normal
brain is we carry a certain amount of dopamine, but
(05:07):
the brain increases and creates so much dopamine that it
goes over the cup and we get this amazing feeling
life is great.
Speaker 1 (05:17):
We get this.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
Hope, and sometimes it's a false sense of hope. And
y'all told me that hope is a sometimes a very
very dangerous place to be because we think we're well.
So we get in this pink cloud phase and it's
twelve step.
Speaker 1 (05:31):
Progray in the in the rooms.
Speaker 2 (05:33):
It usually happens after about thirty to forty five days
of attending support group meetings. We can relate to the
people who are talking. We start nodding our head up
and down. We get some hope, and what happens is
is that we think we are getting better and we
do not need to continue to go to support group meetings.
And then the relapse happens.
Speaker 1 (05:54):
And then we.
Speaker 2 (05:54):
Don't know why that phase, not the relapse phase, but
this believable stimulation in euphoria that's called the pink cloud.
Speaker 1 (06:04):
Okay, it's called the honeymoon phase.
Speaker 2 (06:05):
The pink cloud where we're just like, everything's great. You know,
life is great, everything's great. I'm good, I'm Gucci. And
then the next step that happens in this early phase
of recovery is called the wall phase. What happens is
that the brain starts getting the dopamine levels back to normal,
our normal dopamine level. And once the dopamine gets back
(06:29):
to that level, we hit what's.
Speaker 1 (06:31):
Called the wall phase.
Speaker 2 (06:32):
And I don't know if you can relate to this,
but we hit this wall phase and it's almost like, oh, really,
this is what recovery.
Speaker 1 (06:39):
Is all about. Oh my god.
Speaker 2 (06:42):
And we become a dry drunk or a dry drug addict,
and it's almost like the thoughts start coming into my
head like I don't want to pray, I don't want
to read the book, I don't want to read literature.
I definitely don't want to call anybody. So what happens
is we start isolating. And when we isolate, we get depressed,
we're lonely, and so our only choice is to drink
(07:04):
and drug because we want to get that dopamine back.
Speaker 1 (07:08):
So what's the solution. The solution is.
Speaker 2 (07:10):
It's very important and it's not a set rule, but
the reason why there's ninety meetings in ninety days is
to get past this hump. We get past the hump,
because you do get over the hump. I got over
the hump where we start getting acquainted to whatever normal is.
All right, but we start getting acquainted and we stay
(07:32):
connected with men, women stay connected with women, and we
have a fellowship. The opposite of addiction is connection. And
that's why it's so important in forever recovery is that connection.
Once that connection is made, the phone calls to our
mentor sponsor therapist is very very important, as it always is.
(07:54):
But that's when we pick up the phone and call
and you say, hey, I'm feeling sluggish, I'm feeling depressed,
feeling so good?
Speaker 1 (08:01):
What happened? What just happened to me?
Speaker 2 (08:04):
And that's what happened. Happens in the wallfhase let me
lay it out in the steps. Step one and two
is the detox phase. I mean, I'm sorry. Step one
is the detox phase. Step two is the pink cloud phase.
That's why I've always always preached that we get to
step three as fast as possible. The sooner I got
to Step three. When I made that decision to turn
(08:26):
my will and life over to the care of God
as I understood him, that's when I crossed over to
the supernatural.
Speaker 1 (08:32):
And there was no wall phase. There was no.
Speaker 2 (08:35):
Wall phase because because once I hit that, I continue
to work the remainder of the steps. And what happened
is my spiritual My spiritual, the spirit inside me started
to grow and I experienced real hope.
Speaker 1 (08:51):
What is hope.
Speaker 2 (08:52):
Hope is when we get the privilege to go into
the future with another man or woman in recovery. I
can't do it alone, so we go into the future
with another man in recovery. And it looks like this, Hey,
when we finish these steps, you're going to feel so
much better. And I was like, man, that's great. That
gives me some hope. Let's work through these steps and
step three. We made that decision to turn our will
(09:14):
and life over to the care of God as we
understand him. Right, we have that personal relationship. For me,
it's a personal relationship with Christ. To this day, I
can't believe I'm saying it, but it works for me.
But that personal relationship with Christ. Now I'm excited. Now
I'm excited to go to the fourth step and take
(09:35):
a personal inventory so I can figure out why I'm
doing the things that I'm doing. And then I get
to share this with another man, which is a mentor, sponsor,
pastor or therapist. And none of this can be done alone.
None of this because we want to figure out why
we have resentments and it's based on fear.
Speaker 1 (09:57):
So here we go.
Speaker 2 (09:58):
Let's talk about fear. What does fear work. Fear works
like this. Fear stands for false evidence, appearing real. It's fake,
it doesn't exist, okay, But it's also an opportunity. It's
an opportunity to turn to God in for my faith
to grow, or to turn to me and start drinking
(10:20):
and drugging. When we get the feeling of fear, and
I'm going to provide the solution here and it's going.
Speaker 1 (10:25):
To blow you away.
Speaker 2 (10:27):
When we get into the feeling of fear and we
don't do anything about it, it turns into what a
resentment all right. When we have a resentment, it's because
I play a role in it. Now that's very hard
for people to understand in early recoveries, because I play
a role in it. If I don't do anything with
the feeling of resentment, then it turns into anger. Something
(10:49):
so simple like someone not returning your text message. I'm
in fear that they don't like me. I'm in fear
that they don't want to talk to me. I'm in
fear that they don't love me anymore, and that fear
will turn it in to a resentment. And if I
don't do anything with the resentment, now it turns into anger.
And then when I'm angry, what do I do when
(11:10):
I'm angry? I don't like that feeling, so then it
turns into rage. Can you relate to this?
Speaker 1 (11:14):
So just a simple.
Speaker 2 (11:15):
Text message, no one's returning my text message?
Speaker 1 (11:18):
Now I'm in rage.
Speaker 2 (11:19):
I'm in rage, like, how could you do that to me?
I always return your text messages? How can you do
this to me? We're in rage, we're gripping the steering
will tight, We're we don't know what to do. We
were coming out of control, so I don't know what
to do with that feeling. Okay, So if I don't
do anything with that feeling, then it turns into isolation
and isolations where we start getting dark.
Speaker 1 (11:41):
So when we.
Speaker 2 (11:42):
Shut down, the walls come up and we say listen,
if they text me back, I'm not texting them back.
Speaker 1 (11:48):
I don't any think.
Speaker 2 (11:49):
In fact, I don't want anything to do with anybody.
How could this world treat me this way? How could
this world treat me this way? Here's where it gets dangerous.
When we don't do anything with the feeling of isolation,
then it turns into paranoia. And what paranoia is like
paranoia is this paranoia is when.
Speaker 1 (12:11):
They don't text me back.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
I get in my head and I think they don't
like me, They're gonna leave me, everybody hates me, and
we start believing it.
Speaker 1 (12:23):
This is all.
Speaker 2 (12:25):
A result of fear. So what is the solution to fear?
All right, there is a right answer. The right answer
is simply this, and I want you to write this down.
Speaker 1 (12:38):
What is the solution to fear? One word talk talk
the solution to fear.
Speaker 2 (12:46):
If we don't do anything with fear, it turns into resentment.
If we don't do it, the resentment turns into anger.
If we don't do anything with anger, it turns into rage.
If we don't do anything with rage, it turns into isolation.
If we don't do anything with isolation, it turns into paranoia.
So to hit this from the very beginning, when I'm
(13:07):
in fear, I have to reach out to my sponsor
or my mentor and say, I am so in my
head right now, I am in fear. Well, what do
you in fear about? I am in fear because I
don't think I'm going to get this job. Okay, Well,
when are they supposed to call you back Friday? I
(13:28):
got good news, very good news.
Speaker 1 (13:31):
Today's Monday.
Speaker 2 (13:33):
And so fear is when I go into the future
alone tripping. Okay, when I go into the future alone,
I get anxious, I get paranoid, I get angry, I
go into rage, and I isolate.
Speaker 1 (13:46):
That's a result of me going into the future alone.
Speaker 2 (13:49):
All right, that's fear. So what do we do we serve?
How do we stay here?
Speaker 1 (13:56):
Right now?
Speaker 2 (13:57):
We serve based on my experience, when I get into fear,
I will go from fear all the way to paranoia
like that, these phases that I told you, it's not slow,
it's quick.
Speaker 1 (14:08):
Can y'all relate to that?
Speaker 2 (14:10):
It goes from that to paranoia where I really think
that people are doing it to me.
Speaker 1 (14:16):
People are doing it to me.
Speaker 2 (14:18):
So the solution is that we talk about it and
we serve. We serve, we help another person. A man
helps another man, a woman helps another woman. So if
you're in fear right now, this is what I want
you to do. I want you to reach out to
someone and simply say this, Hey, I'm just checking on you.
Speaker 1 (14:37):
Are you okay?
Speaker 2 (14:38):
You know I was, you know, I got in my head.
Speaker 1 (14:41):
I'm in my head.
Speaker 2 (14:42):
I need to get out of my head, and I
just wanted to see how you're doing. Sometimes I'll say this,
I'm really glad you called. I'm in my head too,
and then automatically the spiritual takes over. Right, both people
are out of their head. Both people are out of
their head. And for those who listen to in the
institutions are in the prisons, this is snapping.
Speaker 1 (15:04):
Snapping.
Speaker 2 (15:05):
So with that said, fear is false evidence appearing real.
It's not real. It's not real. The Bible says, do
not fear God, But what does it mean to fear God?
We take them real serious fearing God means we take
them seriously. God will allow me to go into the
future alone and into the past alone, So when the
(15:27):
pain gets bad enough, I will turn to him and
hit my knees to get me in the now. I'll
end with this. The safest place in the world, the
safest place in the world, is right here, right now,
because That's where God's at.
Speaker 1 (15:45):
Good Night,
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