Robbed

The panel are furious about a few calls that went against us in another close loss for the 2023 season, this time to the Manly Sea Eagles. Were we robbed, or were we just not good enough. We talk about all the big moments in the game as well as looking at lower grades, NRLW and all the news and rumours around

Episode Transcript

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This is the Mad Dragons Podcast.We'll get a ladies and gentlemen, and
welcome to the Mad Dragons Podcast.We was road, I tell you,
on the back of an eight tofive penalty count, a bullshit sind in

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and a rookie denied his first tribewith some bizarre vocab from the badger in
the box. The boys worked reallyhard and they deserved better than that from
the officials. And if you don'tbelieve me, let's check in with Dragons
coach Ryan Carr and listen to whathe had to say to the media post
game. And we'll have to listento one. We went down right down

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to the final place, and we'llstart. How disappointing was it to lose
that one? Yeah, extremely disappointing. I thought we played a really good
game of footy. We built ourgame over the complete eighty minutes for probably
the first time in a long time. That's what it is said to the
boys. It was the best we'vegone after a full game of footy and
the full process of it and notjust playing like a good forty or fifty

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and then having a bad period andgetting beaten late. So yeah, it
was tough, tough, for theboys in there a couple of big calls
in the game, Dan russells notry and Jack de Bellan sined him for
the hip drop. What did youmake of those? Which one do you
want me to start start with?They both need their their time. We'll
start with. Oh, I justthe wording that I was given was he's

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got the ball down, we justneed to figure out if he's over the
try line. And the next wordingwas Dan Russell's clearly over the try line.
And then it was this contradictory toa no try. So yeah,
big moment that hurts. That hurtswhen you're you're fighting as hard as you
can to try and get a try. And yeah, like I said,
if the wording was different, likehe hasn't got the ball down or he's
not over the line, fair enough, but all the wording added up to

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it being a try. So Ineed to figure out why why it wasn't
given a try? Will you seekclarification? Sorry, will you see?
But honestly, like we're going totalk about the simbinning next, but me
seeking clarification doesn't help our fans andour members and our players and their families.
The game's gone now, so I'llget clarification. I'll seek it,

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they'll give it to me. Yeahwe were wrong. Well, it doesn't
help us. You know, there'sa lot of people putting a lot of
time at our club into trying tofind a win for our fans and our
members and just themselves, and thenfor it to come down to that,
like the clarification doesn't help me,It doesn't help us, doesn't help the
balls. I'm sitting in there talkingto the team after the game. I
can't given them, give them anexplanation like Sloan. I mean, sorry,

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um Tabella was SimBin right and thegame stopped for nearly two minutes for
a guy to get his niche strap. That's not the rule. Let's play
on, either leave the field orplay on. And in that moment,
when they made an error on ahalfway, we lose not only possession and
field position, but we lose aman for tending to be in. It's
ridiculous. It's absolutely ridiculous, andI feel so sorry for my players.

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I feel sorry for the fans whohave to watch the game. I feel
sorry for fans of rugby league ingeneral, because that was a good game
of footie. Out there and acall like that just has a huge bearing
an impact on the game. Itdoes. I'm not going to sit here
and it's my job to stand upfor these my players and our club,
and I'm going to do it andI'm not going to back down from it

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because it's ridiculous. How is themood of the playing group in there?
Yeah? There song, but theyfeel like they've let each other down or
the club down. They haven't.They're trying as hard as I've ever seen
him try. Like I said,that was in terms of the process of
the way we played the game.It was the best we've played in a
long time, and we're improving heapsand our efforts unreal and you can see

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that. The care is. Theycould easily be tapping out these players right
now. There's so many excuses aroundthem they could grab and they're not.
And that's what I love about them. But like I said, I'm not
going to sit here and just go, oh, it's okay. I'll ask
the NRL about it, or I'llseek clarification. It's ridiculous. It's seriously
ridiculous. Last week we had aguy with the hip drop junior moment got

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hip drop by Bateman and no penalty, didn't come back by the bunker,
and he got charged after the game. Like the contradiction in that alone is
ridiculous. Like I just honest,I'm sorry, I'm ranting, but I
just feel so sorry for everyone involvedwith our club and everyone who's invested in
it, because it's there. Itdoesn't deserve to come down to it.
I'm not saying that we win thegame if he doesn't get seen in,

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but we shouldn't have to go throughtwelve men for ten minutes and then try
and find a way to win itin the last minute. We shouldn't have
to. So, having said allthat, how proud of you of the
way they performed when they were downto tour men. Yeah, I'm super
proud, mate, Like I said, I said to him after the game,
Like I'm going to be walking downthe street tomorrow super proud to be
their coach. I'm proud. Theyshould be proud to walking down the street
and if they see, if theygo to their kids sporting tomorrow, should

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be proud of what they did tonightbecause they put their heart on their sleeve,
their body on the line, andthey didn't once they had every again
and another excuse on the field therejust to tap out and let them roll
over us, but didn't like theydidn't score in that period. That's a
huge Yeah, we scored, soyeah, but again it might seem like
it didn't hurt us, but it'sjust, yeah, we can't be going

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ten minutes. We twelve men fora stoppage in play for two and a
half minutes for a guy to gethis knee strap. So that's the wrong
call to start with, and thenwe have to deal with not only we
lose the ball in the field position, but we look we lose a player.
Like I'm pretty sure everyone in theNRL world will agree with me when
I'm saying that if Mode Ryan's rant, now it's my turn. So Heroes

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and Villain's Seagulls edition. So anotherclose loss for the Dragons, leaving many
Dragons fans again asking questions about theofficiating, which seems to be a pretty
common theme after such such a lossas what we've just had, and some
of those that I'm going to addresstonight. Dan Russell was denied to try
in circumstances that infuriated and confused Dragonsfans in equal amounts. Bunker referee Casey

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Badger was called upon by referee ChrisButthead Butler to confirm that Russell did not
successfully ground a ball over the line. After what seemed like a hundred replays,
she was heard to confirm that theball had indeed touched the ground,
having confirmed this verbally, another hundredlooks for had from all angles to confirm

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that Russell had at least grounded theball on the line, if not over
it. Having again confirmed this verbally, she then proceeded to say, given
all available angles, we will besupporting the on field decision of no try,
contradicting herself completely in the process.This just shows yet again she is

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not capable of such responsibility and shouldconsider retirement from the bunker, if not
the game itself. Now. RefereeChris Butthead I mean Butler also fell foul
of the Dragons Faithful by allowing aplayer having his legs strapped to remain on
the field, stopping play for twominutes. During its time, it was

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decided that Jack de Bellan should beseen been for a supposed hip drop,
killing the Dragons momentum, giving Manlytime to recover and forcing the Dragons to
play a man down until the finalsix minutes of the game. Now,
Ryan Carr quite rightly called out bothof these incidents as we've just seen,
correctly pointing out the likelihood of alip service apology from Graham Ander's head,

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I mean Annesley, which will dofuck all for their team, the families
or the fans who turned up towatch the game. So for these reasons,
Butler and Badger get the big middlefinger from the hasban for this week.
Now, now that we got thatshit out of the way, I
want to call out two individuals fortheir absolutely sterling performances in the last week.

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Now. The first is Ryan Carku, as I mentioned earlier, delivered
a SmackDown to the NL that RickyStewart himself would have been proud of pulling
absolutely no, letting everyone know exactlywhat he thought of both the note try
and to sin be in incidents,something none of his Dragons coaching four Bears
have had the balls to do.Now, due to circumstances, Donnie himself

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are unable to host Team this Tuesdaythis week, and there was actually a
danger that we wouldn't be able toput on a show at all. We
needed someone to step up. Weneeded simply put a hero. Come with
the hour, Come with the man, Come with our own Jesse the trivia

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Master Godfrey, who not only hostedfor the very first time, but was
also able to write the entire agendaand present as show that any one of
us would be proud of. Therefore, it is my pleasure to present Ryan
Carr and Jesse Godfrey with the Heroof the Week Award. Back to you,

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Donnie in the traditionary position here here, here, here, indeed,
welcome back has Man. It's uhyeah, and that's an absolute purler and
a great call. I didn't thinkI was going to be welcome back.
That's how good Jesse was on Tuesdaynight. I thought that might be the

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end of my tenure leading this finegroup of Mad Dragons. So yeah,
great job Jesse, and yeah,fantastic segment there, has Men. We
missed that last Sunday, and it'san absolute ball to her. I think
you've hit the nail on the headthere with absolutely everything, and it looks
like you've been working on it fora while. So well said Mane.

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All Right, we moved now intothe Mad Dragons Vodcast Player of the year
voting, and for the third gamein a row, the man voted by
our panel as the Dragon's Best wasZach Lomax. Can't go. You had
Lomax's our best once again. Tellme what you liked about his game?

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Um. I liked his confidence inthe game. Also, like how he
like his um or on meters fortwo hundred and thirty meters compared to the
Seagles opposition which was like one hundredand thirty eight. As well, his
kicks were good. Um. Yeah, I can see that his confidence as

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confidence is coming and I just thinkhe's going really well considering where we are
on the ladder. So it waseither him or Ben Hunt. But I
just thought that was just that extrabit of Ziggi and Zaggy yesterday. So
that's what I felt. Yeah,No, I thought it was another another
stellar performance from from Lomax. Hewas probably a little quiet early, but

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really the longer the game went,the more he sort of warmed into it,
and his involvement levels were high onceagain, and just gets his hands
on the ball a lot lately.And yeah, he seems to be incredibly
fit and putting in one hundred andtwenty percent on every single play so easy
in remarkably good form at the moment. Our second best according to the panel,

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was Jack development a big team.Tell us why Jack was in our
top three? Right, Jack debillis every week he's in our top three.
He epitomizes what it is the bestand George players to drag be a
Dragon Um fifteen runs, having twentysix movers, thirty one post contact,
two tackle breaks, line break lineBlake assist thirty. That's everything, Ben,

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He's all over the field. Heplayed severny of the eighty I think
it was and because he was offto ten UM. But yeah, no,
no, he's in everywhere man umhim and him and Blake Lorry both
they're both dragons um how I hopethey're both UM one team players. Yeah,

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absolutely, Well, obviously Blake Lorrie'sprobably got a little bit longer to
go in his career and a fewmore Exactly, he's got to get the
Jack Develous probably only got one contractleft in him before he calls it a
day. But yeah, he's he'scertainly with us again next year and I
think he's the way he's going.There's no reason why he shouldn't be able

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to go around again in twenty twentyfive and maybe even hopefully they don't.
Well, I mean you do seeplayers sometimes they get old really quickly too.
Like it can happen, It canhappen over one off season. So
I think he taken a year byyear thing. But yeah, I think
that Jack de Bellum will retire asas a one club player. That couple

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of years has men. I wasactually the only person on the panel that
didn't have Zach Lomax as the manof the match, and the bloke I
thought was our best performer was FrankieMolow. You had Frankie as our second
best. Tell me what you likedabout Frankie's performance? Um, yeah,
look, he he put in areally really good performance. Save yet sixteen

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runs for one hundred bene hundred andforty meters. You know, it was
rewarded for his efforts with a witha try at twenty tackles at one hundred
percent efficiency, which you don't seeparticularly often, and um it was it
was back to the sort of sortof form that we used to see him
from him back music the Cowboys.If we had another Frankie Molo playing like

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that for us would be I reckonto be all right, So yeah,
it was a little bit a littlebit hard to go hard to go past
him this week. Yeah, Ithought his carriages were strong. He really
seemed to bend the line early,obviously scored our our first try, and
he was again his involvement was crucialto a lot of the good things that

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we did throughout the game, andI thought he was incredibly solid upfront.
I tend to be a person thatalways favors the guys that do the hard
yards through the middle, and Frankiecertainly did that. And as you say,
his defense was was rock solid aswell, So a good performance from
him. The penel had him asthe third best overall, so it was

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a few good performances. All right. Let's move into the moments of the
match, and I'll start with youJesse. In the early part of the
game, we went set for sepwith Manly with with ball, with the
ball in play for long periods,and it was Manly that blanked first,
giving us a chance that we tookwith a try to Frankie Molo of a

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beautiful bit of ball playing from Junioramone. Did you think from the outset
that the boys just looked up forit, Yeah, I thought so.
Like obviously the occasion being a bigdoubleheader at arm Yeah, um, knowing
that they have they are Manly's bogeyside. Um. I thought they literally

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looked up for it. And forFrankie Miller getting that early trial, I
thought, if they were going tohave any chance of winning, that's the
way they need to start. Theydid square first and get the momentum off
Manly back them work for the victory. I thought that, yeah, in
the early stage where it did lookdominant, but yeah, obviously didn't continue.
But I was happy with the startof the game yet, Yeah,

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Rob, I want to talk alittle bit about the different mindsets of the
two teams. The Dragons, whenthey were leading six points to nil,
got a penalty and they took thegift two points to go out to an
eight nil lead. Manly with apenalty in a similar position, down by
two points, rather than trying tolevel the scores, decided to go for

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the try and they got it ina closed game. Is that more aggressive
mindset part of the reason we lostthis game? I think so, Donnie.
I like the idea to chase it, you to score more points if
they're an offer as well too,especially in a position on the field.

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I know Awayne Bennett style coach team. I gave the two points. But
for us where we are, Ithink it's because we're down law on the
table and the mindset he's look,let's just get whatever points are an offer.
We'll take him. We'll accumulate himthat way. But you all obviously
we need the killer instinct. Weneed that we can get a try.

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Let's build on the mimentum of that, because one try to lead another one
could lead another one. I mean, as you can see in the NRL,
you can score two three tries withintwo or three minutes in the game.
So I got to say, ye, disappointing. I'd like to have
just gone for it. I mean, we've got nothing to lose but down
the bottom of the table. Whynot being it to win it, you
know what I mean, and accumulatemore points. But when they're an offer,

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yeah, I'll go to I'll turninto one of our four of the
penal members here and in Benny O'Brien, and our defense is just not good
enough to defend an eight point lead, like we're going to give up more
points, and that we need toscore more points than the opposition. That's

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how we're going to win games.So again, while I understand the thinking
going out to an eight point leadrather than a six point lead, that's
the common way that teams do things. But I don't think we're good enough
to be thinking that an eight pointlead earlier in the game is going to
be good enough. And we needto be trying to put on as many
tries as we can to put somespace between ours and in the opposition.

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So I agree with you, Rob, and you know, Benny's one of
those ones that's been saying that fora very long time that the Dragons want
to focus on defense all the time. But our defense is absolute garbage and
it still is this season. Ourstrength is probably an attack, although we
are in this game that wasn't allthat good either, all right, has

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Man before halftime, mainly captain DailyCherry Evans complained to the referee about a
obsided penalty count when his team wasactually winning the penalty count at the time.
Do you feel that this winging,long neck goose had an influence over
Chris Butler in the second forty Itwasn't just h that was I think that

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was about half a dozen players thathad a bit of a bit of a
chat to him and sort of roundaboutthat same time. And yeah, he
was bloody laughing and joking with allof them, the bloody idiot referee.
So but look, I think itdid. It probably did influence him to
a degree. It's a shame thatthe home crowd didn't have some sort of

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influence the way it seems to dowith every other fucking ground. But um,
yeah, definitely that winding little prickhad had a massive influence on the
reference the second half of absolutely sure. Yeah, you're right about the laughing
and joking the players. At onestage in the first half he Jacob Little
went up and add something to himand he said, oh, do you

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want to swap jobs to make SoI don't know whether i'd want Chris Chris
Butler at dummy half for us,So you know, I'd rather put him
a dummy after the opposition. Well, I mean, I think Little will
do a much better jobs referee thanButler would in any position. Well,
I think he would have helped usout if he hadn't taken up the offer,
So you know, maybe he shouldhave. All right, Coco merely

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found success on both the right edgeand the left edge the long range tries.
What do you think it is goingto take before the coaching staff start
to look at this defensive structure thatjust is not working for the players the
team that we have. This isa very good question, and we're thinking
about this question now, I knowwhere like towards the end of the season,

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and yeah, our defensive is trociousand ridiculous, and it gets me
annoyed because being the fan and sittingthere watching it, it's like, what
the story I'm going to switch?What the fuck are they doing on the
field? So I don't know,maybe they need to bring some a defensive
coach in a better one to liketo bring that attitude, that aggression,

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that defensive or something. Or arethey just waiting until final comes in for
hinder do the work? Is thatwhat they're doing that, Yeah, we've
got another coach coming in. Don'tworry, We'll just wait till next seeden.
But it's just frustrating because, yeah, our defenses poorly. We'd absolutely
love to be a winger playing againstthe dragons, wouldn't you, Because we

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don't defend the winners like the wingers. Our wingers defend their centers. Our
centers defend their their second roles,our halves. They're all defending one player
in and they leave the winners unmarkedall the time, like it's like they
don't exist, and funnily enough,they do, and they keep streaking away
against either setting up tries or scoring. I'm like, at what point are

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they going to realize that this isa dumb tactic and you need to hold
you with them, stay on yourWell, we have the eels this week,
and there is it. Fijian wingerI forgot his name keeping a revolara.
What's his name? Gets Sebo?Yeah, thank you, Jess.

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Like he's a pretty fast runner,you know, because we like it just
feels like it's a jigsaw puzzle.They're just they're all pieces of the jigsaw
and they've done the other way.So I think they need to like go
back to the drawing board, sitdown and actually watch videos and see what's
going on. George Philip and inthe comments has actually raised a couple of

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good points, and I'll just sayto George, stick with the show.
We get to all the things you'vebrought up at some stage. So it's
all in the agenda and we'll getto it. But you stick around,
well, we'll get to all thosepoints that you've made there. Big team
down by ten points, still halfan hour left on the clock, and

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Dan Russell goes in for his firsttry, but the referee thought he was
held up. Send it upstairs tothe bunker. Tell us all that happened
next. What happened next is then O universe just realized that the dragons
are getting the roughert of the pineappreferees and where we're just being smashed because

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every day of the week you couldsee that ball between I can't remember who
the tackle it was, but youcould say the ball was over his leg
on the ground. You couldn't seethe ball on the ground, but it
was on the ground in case hebadget looked down at a million times the
ball was able to line. Itwas on the ground. It was able
to line. But we're going togo out the on one decision no try.

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Ripped the pool blag off with hisfirst try, which was a try
in a referees just just don't knowthis. Theyn't get it. It's the
it's the problem with with the referees, or is the problem with the with
the process, Like I I kindof feel like we've always had this concept

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of benefit of the doubt. Usedto be benefit of there and now it's
benefit of the doubt to the referee. But just get rid of benefit of
the doubt order to get all together, Just allow the video referee to watch
it but common and decide what theythink happened. Common sense looking at that
replay told you that ball hit theground, because she didn't because she didn't

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see it hit the ground. Shesaid, I'm going with you on trial
on field decision. But there's thatthere's actually a rule in the rule book
if you if you read the rulethere's a note in there that says,
just because the referee doesn't physically seethe ball on the ground is not reason
enough to deny the try if youthink the ball got to the ground,

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Like if you think there's a betterthan average chance that the ball got to
the ground, you have to awardthe try. Like that's what book.
Why wasn't that used? I don'tknow, because the video referee, he
has benefit of the depth to theto the referee on the field, which
is common sense, showed you thatthe ball was lower than the manly players
leg which common sense would tell youit's on the ground. Yeah, yeah,

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I don't know why we get smashed. He's just blow They look at
our decisions hundred times or every timeeverybody else two or three times try well.
Look. But even even the vocabfrom from Badger was like, he
said, I can clearly see theball is on the ground. Now I
just need to check to see ifhe is over the line. The next

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next shot she looked at, shesaid, you can clearly see he's definitely
over the line. I was like, due to the freaking map, that's
exactly right. Balls on the ground, he's over the line. That's a
freaking try every day of the way, every day of the week. Has
man, I know you've already seenoff on this one, but he got
some more for him. He's gotthat. Yeah, I mean I've already

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it's a letter. I know mythoughts on Casey Badger's an atmos in the
bunk of it. I mean,she's she's flat out. There's so there
were two components that she was lookingat. A did the ball hit the
ground? And B did the ballhit the ground on or over the line.
She's verbally confirmed both of those twoaspects and then has gone and done

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a complete fucking one eighty and gone, we'll actually, you know what,
based on all available angles, I'mjust going to go with what the referee
saw. It's like you've literally justfucking said, the balls over the line,
the balls on the ground. Where'sthe fucking problem. There was no
list, there was no lift.The ball actually slid, so he had

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to touch the had to touch thelote. Yeah, absolutely yeah, But
she flat out said, yeah,yeah, let's touched the ground. It's
over the line. How the fuckcan you rule on the try off?
You know, based on what you'vejust said, I reckon, guys and
girls, we need to bring inthe NFL. We need to zoom it
right into where the ball is.Cameras uh and we need uh Bill Harrigan

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or something like that to come in. Who's really really good time, I'll
referee, they can clean up thenever fucked it over. No go that
trying against me at that night,that was a pretty good one. I
just think that we need something likethat to happen to clean up the mess.
Just personal thoughts. But why notzoom in? Why can't we zoom

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in? I didn't get it.Why can't need to fucking zoom in to
see that technology? Why not?Yeah, make the bloody, make the
ball like massy bull balls or somethingyou can blaw ball see it, you
know what I mean? I think, come on, why not, let
let's get some blowballs. That's whatthat's what we all need. Jesse.

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Yeah, Um, I disagree withRob. I don't think you need any
more cameras at the ground that there'sabout cameras. They still can't the game
cameras. Um. But I actuallyasked him Russell, but he was Adam
and he scored, but he wasYeah, actually asked him today. He

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was Adam and he saw but hejust said it's something you can't do anything
about. But he was definitely competent. He scored. Yeah. I think
Casey Badger was looking for reasons notto give us the try. Yeah.
Um, she was looking for everyoption available to her that she couldn't give
the try and you could. Butshe actually said, oh, she's got

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the ball, he's got the ballon the ground, but no try like
it already went up to the bankersof note try luck and you have to
have the evidence to overturn it,as well, and you could she had
the evidence, the ball evidence.Yeah, she couldn't have had much more
evidence. I don't know. Itwas a really strange one, and you

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know it was something that I thinkcosters comes. We lost the game by
six points, and that's that's sixpoints right there. Even Steve try oh
yeah, yeah, I think mostmost people that watched it would would say
that icessary. Earlier, the innuniverses just realized that dragons always get the

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rough end of the point. Wealways do. Yeah, so the players
felt that way today too. Iasked that they felt really wrong. That's
how if you remember, well,what helped was this year. But remember
when Todd Payton had the big redabout the refereeing. Yeah, a couple
of years ago, Yeah, acouple of years ago, years ago when

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the camp when he first took theCowboys job. Yeah, it was last
year and it was the Warriors bike. This year, the Warriors bike was
winning the Warriors and yeah, theWarriors Warriors bosson and now look now look
at the Warriors actual they get everydecision. He actually came out and said,
the referees with cheating, Yeah,and now they get every decision goes

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the way maybe we need someone atthe top to come out and do that.
Like I know he got some fromGeorge Bank. Well, well,
now, well down ron Rono,he's gonna ask for those. He's going
to look clarrication on the jack,the bell and tackle and um and the
try. So maybe he's rams aboutthe referee decisions. Mike here as a
kick, he still had the bloodybarker. How do you have the bunker

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and waste one or two minutes?And it's so wrong so often. I
mean, it's a fucking joke.With all the technology we've got, and
they slowered down frame by frame andall that. Let's we'll get into that
and and exactly that point that youjust may rob and we'll show that in

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this this next segment about slowing itdown, how that actually causes them to
get the wrong decision. So,Jesse, I'll go to you a bit
with this next one. Dragons downdown by eight points with the ball on
the attack and sixteen and a halfminutes still left on the clock. The
referees got together and now they founda new way to screws with a rock

(31:38):
melon that talk us through the jackJDB Sindan. So, yeah, I
was off off. As a Ryancar said at that press conference, it
was off. It was in thein in a build up to it came
off someone getting his knees track fortwo and a half minutes where the game
was stopped, and then and thenin that time frame, they are just

(32:00):
they decided to send Jeff for Tenant, put him on report for supposed hip
drop. Everyone could clearly see it, but it wasn't a hip drop.
Um. It was an absolutely ridiculouscall. I even I even saw some
footage that I think Jack actually saidthe C word um when he when he
was when he was marched, hewas really he couldn't believe what the referee

(32:22):
came up with. UM. Foronce. I actually heard Buzz buzzes on
our side. Buzz doesn't believe it'sa hip drop, he said on the
radio this morning, and he hatesus think it was a hip drop.
I think, yeah, what wereyou saying, Brad Fitler was saying that
it's a hip drop? I don'tknow I did. It wasn't mean that

(32:42):
said that, though, but therewas somebody Chap that posted that that Hitler
said it was a hipdrop. Itwas not on him, So all right,
but yeah, let's let's let's let'shave a look. Let's have a
look at this. This supposed hipdrop got no audio, but just sort
of talk through it. So heis Jack de Bell, and you can

(33:07):
see that he goes into the tackleand he sort of slips off and then
lands on the He certainly lands onthe back of the back of the player's
hills. And if you slow itright down, it looks a lot worse
than it actually is. You seethat he does sort of spin his body
around and then slips down and landson the player's legs. So it looked

(33:28):
when you, like Rob was you'resaying, when you slow it right down,
look at it in super slowm itlooks it looks like a bad tackle.
But this is the same tackle atfull speed. You can't tell me
that that's intentional. He's just slippedoff the tackle and accidentally landed on the
back of the guy's leg like.It is absolutely not a hip drop.

(33:52):
I've seen way worse, Donny thanthat. That doesn't look like a hip
drop to me. He got tenin the bin earlier in the year for
one like that. Similar. Yeah, No, I keep looking at it,
keep trying to find a hip drop, and it was only when I
slowed it right down, but itlooked like he does sort of get get

(34:12):
into the tackle and then he sortof twists around and then sort of lands
on him. But when you watchit at full speed he comes in,
he actually slips off the tackle andhe's just trying to hold onto a bit
of jersey lands on his leg.Look, it's it's it's not a hip
drop. It's an accidental footballing incident. He's just getting targeted, mate,
That's what's happening the NL. Thetargeting on a minim version of Victor Radley.

(34:35):
He's getting targeted and he's getting pickedon now for if he tackles,
if he comes in Law around theback of the legs. This is what's
going to happen with Jack. Unfortunatelythey've got and that's what they're going to
do. And that's how said manytimes. Absolutely, has Andrew Johns has
said many times the game's not playedin slow motion right down, just play

(34:58):
it as it is. Yeah,played at full speed, absolutely, And
I think the more incidents you lookat it at full speed, the more
the more right decisions you're gonna make. Yeah, because when you watch that
at full speed, you go,oh, yeah, that's all his players
got injured. You know, that'sthat's unfortunate. But there's nothing wrong with
that tackle. And I think everyonethat watches that tackle at full speed comes

(35:22):
to that conclusion. So only whenyou go go into super slow mode that
you can convince yourself that maybe there'ssomething wrong with him. It's absolutely ridiculous.
But the inconsistency about it. Umthey were saying before earlier on that
the Justin Bateman was Ryan Carr wassaying, just a tackle against us last

(35:42):
week, and there was nothing saidin the game by the bunker, nothing
said by the bunker in the game, and he was he was charged after
the game, and in the lgame, the bunker interferes and says it
was a bad tackle, whether itwas or not. So we're going to
penalize him three tackles after the incident. Yeah, it's it's well, well

(36:06):
after that, Like he can't goback in time once the game. The
inconsistently, But what I'm what I'msaying is that they can't go back in
time to penalize something that happened,happens two sets ago, Like he can
you cannot do that if they decidethat there's something wrong with the tackle,
I want to put him in thisscene being no worries. But you've got

(36:29):
to you've got to continue to playthe games that. Yeah, he goes
in low, that's his tackling technique. So he's gonna get targeted. Goes
back to the game that he wascaptain him against the Cowboys when he got
two minutes. Yeah, they're targetinghim. He's a great low tackler.
That's what he does. He alwaysthat's how you guaranteed. Well, it

(36:53):
wasn't. It wasn't exactly the greatesttackle. Like I said, he's sort
of he sort of heat around thewaist area and slipped off the tackles around
him. M yeah, but hedoes have a great tackling technique generally,
but that one wasn't one of hisbest. It was fairly clumsy, and

(37:14):
he did land on the back ofa bloke's legs. But I mean that's
that's rugby league. Like if you'regoing to tackle a blake from behind,
you're going to land on his legsevery time. Like game it's almost have
thought it was okay because it wasplay on and then two tackles later,
that jumped in. Yeah, twotackles later, merely make a mistake.
Yeah, the bunker jumps in,but a week ago didn't happen with Bateman

(37:39):
goes to see who's probably who.Yeah, the Bunker sees it. The
Bunker does not say a word.The Bunker shouldn't be interfering in those sorts
of situations. That should be.They should only be coming into playing in
triscoring situations. That's it. Yeah, they interfere too much. Get the
Bunker out of the rest of thegame, or Jesse, all right,

(38:00):
we'll move on because otherwise I'll grindme teeth way too much. Because it's
there's so many things pissing me off. Rob even with a player in the
sin bin and Manly constantly cheating andgiving away six agains without having a player
bin, we managed to score atry with a masterful pick up from ti

(38:22):
Roll Sloan to get us back withinfour points. Rather than talking about that
that moment, I'd like to discussTirol Sloan because he's once again drawing the
ire of Dragons fans for his substandardefforts as the last line of defense.
Do you think Sloan will make itlong? Term as an R or fullback,

(38:43):
or do you expect Zach Lomax totake the custodian role from him at
some stage, either this year ornext. Really really tough questioning, because
I think that from what we're reading, if we can believe it, Flat
is going to give Lomax an opportunity, no doubt, to compete with Slain
for the fullback position. As weallude to tonight, Lamas the last six

(39:07):
amount of weeks, his meat isthat he's that he's gaining in the game
at center. Unbelievable. Um,so imagine if he's at fullback, but
he could he could probably do aswell too. And then also too,
I think he probably at this stagea little bit better than Slain in defense.

(39:29):
Worried for Slain this is a bitof inconsistency with defense there, uh,
you know, moving forward, SoI'd love to see him play stick
with him. But I've just gotthis gut feeling Lomax might end up having
first crack and maybe slow. Hemight need a little bit more time,

(39:50):
a little bit more experience, whetherthat's in Reggie's years of whist Cup unfortunately.
But yeah, so it's a hardquestion. He is it done him.
But yeah, I honestly think thatthe Zach Lomax to fullback thing is
actually a red herring. I don'tthink it will actually happen. I think

(40:12):
that Shane Finigan likes Zach Lomax,but he also he's also a big fan
of Titles Loan. He's talked toit, talked about him a few times,
and he's a big fan of whathe's what he's got to offer,
and what he brings to the chain. So I think Sloan will stay as
a fullback. In saying that,I think Zach Lomax would make a decent
fullback, And I think that's thequestion you've got to ask. Obviously,

(40:36):
fullback is that a more more importantposition in the modern game than fullback.
And the question you've got to askis do you want a decent fullback in
Zach Lomax or would you prefer thebest center in the world, Because I
think as a center, that's thelevel Lomax can get to when he's shown
over the last three weeks. Ifhe can maintain that standard consistent over the

(41:00):
next day, day, months,he is the best center in the world.
So do you want to do youwant him to be a decent fullback
or do you want him to bethe best center in the world. I
think that's the what's more valuable tothe team. Jesse. Well, actually
when we when we actually signed himon that i'm a multi year extension back
in twenty twenty, he actually hewas actually signed as a fullback. He

(41:22):
had one game at fullback, andthen when when Mary was coach at the
time, he gave him one gameat fullback and then we had a heap
of Vinjews i think the next week, and he moved him back to the
centers and then he hasn't got achance at fullback ever since. Like he
tried Matt Dufty there for periods.Tyrol Sloane got Tyr Sloane debuted later a
couple of years later, but Lomaxhas prominently been sent up ever since then,

(41:45):
even though he was primarily signed toplay fullback when he made that m
contract extension a few years back.But also insane that Jesse, if he
used an example dying, he gotthe life of Latrell Mitchell. You couldn't
couldn't deny he could be He's oneof the best centers in the game.
But he is Exholsted playing fullback.I still think he's one of the best

(42:07):
centers in the game. I thinkhe's I I've preferred him at the center
at the center than fullback, tobe honest, But I still think you'd
be one of the best fullbacks aswell too. I don't think he's work
grade's high enough as a fullback.I still think he's. Yeah, I
still think he can be just asdangerous in the centers, and I think

(42:29):
he gets caught out of position.I actually think he hurts the house a
bit with his positional players a fullback, and you know, he's not the
fastest bloke getting around anymore. Andyeah, he's certainly a big damaging ball
runner in terms of kick returns.But yeah, i'd prefer Mitchell as a
center that a fullback lay Max underthe high ball as well too. Well,

(42:54):
that that was a bit similar todo. Funnily enough, that was
the big issue, like Jesse aboutthe one game that that Lomax played at
fullback, was that he was terribleunder the highball. He came up with
four or five eras in the onegame that he played at fullback and never
got another chance there. So yeah, I think while he is good under

(43:15):
the highball in attack, how doeshe go as defensively? I think there's
there's a lot more to the fullbackrole than you know than just being able
to catch an attacking highball. SoI think he'd have to learn a lot.
He'd have to completely change the waythat he plays. I think he's
got the fitness to be able todo it. I think his work rade

(43:37):
as a center is probably second tonone. So I think there's some aspects
of Zach Lomax game that would suitmoving him to fullback, and I think
he'd do it, do it fairlywell. But I think I think,
like I said, I think it'sa red herring. I don't think it's
ever going to happen. I thinkhe's going to stay at center, and
I think that Tyrell Sloan's going tostay at fullback. Now, Jesse,

(43:58):
you check you end up again there? Yeah, I just wanted to ask
for everyone. Yeah, anyone canjust jump in and say, um,
Tyrol Sloan's off contract the end ofnext year. If low Max actually has
has Planner actually says fullback role,jaws, what happens to Tyrol Sloane?
Does he? Well? If he'snot good enough to play fullback. Maybe

(44:20):
he's not. He see you later, Bye bye. He's either he's either
got he's not gonna play center.He's a fullback or a winger. He's
a five eight man. No Tyrollslone. Tyroll Sloane played mostly five eight
when he was playing club footing ata car is an example. He's an

(44:44):
ad car Tyrol Slane absolutely one.He's got. He's got too much.
He's got way too much skill.He's wasted. He'd be wasted on the
wing. He's got. He's agreat ball player. He's got a decent
kicking game, particularly short kicking game. I think I think if Zach Blomax
goes to fullback, it comes betweenTyroll Slign and Junior Amona for the five

(45:07):
back round. Asked Tara slide.It could be a money Joseph money.
He can play winger, he canplay ser he can play fullback, he
can play five eight, he playanywhere in the background. Well can slide
kick? Yes, he can.I can send you for role. I'm
not disbelillion. I don't know,actually do I can send yeah. When

(45:37):
he was playing club footing in theIllawara when he was playing five eight,
and he puts in some fantastic kicks, particularly short kicks, attacking kicks.
He's very, very talented. Buthe's got some great offloads. Mate.
Um you know, but you knowfirst relievers, receiver or think about think

(45:57):
about the weaknesses of Tyrol Slige.Yeah, he's weaknesses are under the high
wall and defense. So you movehim out on the wing, he's still
gonna have to take high walls.He's still gonna be isolated in defense.
You play him at five eight,he's got to player either side of him
that can protect him. So defensivelythat's going to he's going to be shielded.
They's still gonna be an issue.He's gonna have to make more tackles,

(46:20):
but he's going to have assistance inthat role and he sort of like
both Scott and Jamie Sowers. Yeah, so again, I don't think it
will happen. I think tig AllSloan will stay at fullback and I don't
think it's going to change. Butum, yeah, it's it's always an
interesting one to have a bit ofa chat about and and see where we

(46:40):
land. But some some different opinionsand some some different ideas in terms of
what to do with that with tygallSloan has I hope he's stayed at the
Dragon's Okay, I'm sorry, butI'm if I lose Buttony Flane, Yeah,
okay, that's my my little Cocobrand for one day. We don't
want to lose another. We don'ta lot of junior juniors. No,

(47:05):
that's right, stick with juniors PeaksIllawarra juniors too. Yes see, well,
has Man, We've made plenty ofexcuses tonight. We've blamed the referees,
We've blamed Manly for cheating. Butat the end of the day,

(47:30):
the Dragons had four times as manytackles inside Manly's twenty meters ow we had
over sixty percent possession and completed ateighty percent. It's the truth of this
game that we just weren't good enough. Any other team that they had those
sort of stats against Manly would havebeaten them by thirty. Our attack just

(47:54):
was not good enough. That's that'sthat simple. Yeah, I agree,
we had he had. We barelythrew anything at them, like, we
had so many tackles inside the twentyand it seemed like we did four hit
ups through the past, through theball two passes wide and then that was

(48:15):
it. No, that wasn't it. It was put as it was putting
the bomb up and send lax tothe ball. The last play, yea,
every single last play was putting thebomb up. Let Lamex get it.
That's all Hunt can do. Putbombs up. There was nothing else.

(48:36):
That's all Hunt does. Well tothink about the one time that Hunt
did something different with the key.Tell me on tackle one, put it,
put a little grubber, throw onBilly Burne, score to try.
There you go, there'll be BillyBurns. Right, you're right, he's
going. Well, he's going hima few games, Give him a few
games. Is he on the agenda? We need to talk about Billy Burns.

(49:00):
Yes, there does seem to bea few people starting to turn around
on the comments. Rob Bill inthe comments said he, um, he's
being turned to a bill Billy Burnsfans. Rob Bill turned he could yet
get another contract if he keeps thisform up. Well he hasn't been told

(49:22):
he can leave. No, ifhe keeps his form up, I think
he could get and I swear DanRussell finally him Marks Russell, and he's
told um car run run, Russellin the team. Please. He's played
for a contract too, it isn'the? Yes, he's kind of my
Lison. Yeah. So maybe fanhas got a bit of a finger in

(49:47):
the boy and he probably would havespoken to him last night being at the
game. He could have could have. Yeah, all right, Moving on
to a couple of questions we've gotfrom fans. Chloe Dylan de Bari.
Bit of a loaded one, butwe'll go with it and see where we
Land. Wants to know how manygames will Matt fine I prove he is

(50:10):
not a first grade player before someoneelse has given an opportunity. All right,
Stu, I have a list now. I don't know. Don't kill
me, um, guys. Butall I could think of was there's MGA
for replacements. Okay, um,there is MGA Jack Byrd and oh god,

(50:31):
I can't say anything answer Tamale.I think, yeah, thank you,
thank you. I think that's ifall his twin Max. That's all
I can think of. Now.I don't know what's going on with Matt
at the moment, if he's notplaying up to par, but that's like
how whole facing team guys, guys, you know what a facing team where

(50:52):
are we at right now? Yes, you know, I didn't know if
he was. I was trying tolook for him. Thank you, thank
you, Jessie, my pa sister. Maybe um, But also I was
just thinking like, yeah, Matthe other one, Max, that's it
Max Um. But you know,maybe yeah, maybe trial these guys and

(51:15):
see failed you better than what?Do you all like that? Eggs?
It's I'm not sure what he's gigglingabout, but he's giggling like a schoolgirl.
Do you want to let us you'reon the joke? Is it me
to do something wrong? I'm notsure. No, back here, big

(51:40):
teeth, pulling faces, you're ruiningmy segments anyway, that's me. That's
it. Sorry, Donnie got distracted. That's who I thought. Anyone else,
if you got any other that's allI could think of in my list.
Yeah, I mean, obviously I'vegot a different opinion to most.
I actually don't think Matt Fini isgoing as bad as people seem to think.

(52:07):
Is you look at he's run meaders, He's still still put in a
pretty decent effort in terms of defense. A lot of those defensive mistakes were
Moses Sully's warsaw that Maddie Fini arethe Weekend Again. It's those inside defenders
the whole that whole structure is todefend one in. Now, you know,
I would love for one game forMatt fin I just to say,

(52:28):
stuff the structure. I'm going tostay on my winger and then just watch
the center score seven hundred tries againstus, because that's what will happen.
If he abandons that structure, someoneelse will score all the tries. That's
the way the Dragons have set up. The way that we defend is we
defend one in. So the wingersalways left unmarked on both sides of the

(52:49):
field and we don't have the speedto come in and cover it. And
I don't think it matters who weput on that wing. We're going to
have exactly the same issues. Butyeah, there's certainly a few options and
definitely a few options that people mightneed to see before they start believing this.
But it's been happening for ten yearswith every winger that we've had,
and people still keep blaming the wingerlike it's coaching. This is the way

(53:14):
they are coached to defend. Untilthat changes. It doesn't matter who we
put on the wing that big team. Justin Melton says that Sloane got sinned
in last week with no previous infringements, whereas manly we're able to give away
multiple cynical six again with no furtheraction taken. Do the referees take the

(53:38):
dragons or are they just shit becausethey are the only two options. I
said, I said that the refereesdon't like the dragons, and we always
get the rough end of the pineapple, and I don't understand it help us
to us every week, Um,they have a team, seems to get
some seems to get the rather ofthe green. They the fifty fifty calls.

(54:01):
We get left behind because we getdissolution and what's going on. We're
we're not getting anything. And ifyou're not, if you're not top six,
you don't get um any any anylove from the referees. I don't
think. Yeah, yeah, I'vesort of come out on the other side

(54:23):
of that coin. I I don'tknow. I just refuse to believe that
the referees. I just I thinkthey're shit. You think the referees is
shit? Yeah, they're terrible.I think the game's too fast for them.
Yeah, I think they're inconsistent,they're they're trying. The inconsistency just

(54:46):
blows my mind, especially from thebunker. Um. One day you'll get
hid in the head and then itwon't be tending in the bin. The
next week it'll be hitting the headand you get ten in the bin on
report. Um the inconsist and seeby the bunker is atracious. I think
it was Warren Smith today just blowingup about in the Bulldogs the Bulldogs Dolphins

(55:07):
game. It's like like at thebeginning of the season that was that was
ten in the bin every day ofthe week, and now all of a
sudden it's changed. It's getting towardsthe semis. Now sometimes it is ten
in the bin if it's a Dragonsplayer, and sometimes it's not ten in
the like if it's against the Dragonsplayer. I know, I know what

(55:28):
you're talking about, because it lookslike that every week. And even Ryan
Cars come out and says like,I know the season's gone, and he
said the season's gone, but thereferee is atracious. Um the inconsistency.
What's the whole process and the wholesystem. No wonder people turning off the
game. Well, I wouldn't mindsee him. I don't know if they

(55:52):
could do it, or not havingthe one referee in the bunker for all
eight games. Yeah, I knowyou've suggested this before. I don't think
it will because it will bring theconsistency back from game one. No,
it will make it more frustrating becausethe same referee will look at two incidents
that are identical and come up withtwo different decisions, and you go,

(56:12):
you're the same freaking bloke, Like, how do you come up with a
different decisions for those two incidents?Like it will drive you even more nuts,
because I'd love to see it triedonce or twice. Yeah, I
don't think it's a terrible idea.I just I think whenever that those sort
of like one of the big suggestions. We've got to get footy players into

(56:35):
the into the bunker. We've gotto get blokes that played the game into
the bunker. We've got blokes thatplayed the game into the bunker and they
were no better, that's right.An example, We've got players that played
the game and referee the game intothe bunker. There was no better.
I don't know if you guys noticedthis. Every time we play at win
Stadium, the visiting team always getsthe majority of penalties. I don't know

(56:59):
if any of you guys notice,I've been to the last three and it's
the crowd. Mate. Well,I was there. I was there last
night and I was trying to geta chant goal um with all the people
around me, but the mainly supportersin the away corner. They were louder

(57:22):
and the rest of the drag Dragon'sclap crowd. That's that's happened all season.
Yeah. Yeah, the dragon,the Dragon's army is what they're the
ones that need to be kick upthe ask. There's supply our active supporter
grew and they don't get the crowdgoing. You know, it would only
until three minutes ago. I heardthem on the hill and I'm like,

(57:44):
you're a bit late where they getthe start. No, No, our
ground announcer needs to be kicked upthe ass. He does nothing. Yeah,
he does it later in the gamewhen when we're on the attack.
He doesn't in parts of the game. Yeah, I disagree. I disagree
with that because don't I don't thinkyou need a ground announcer. Should not

(58:05):
need a ground announcer at all toget the crowd going. Our own active
supporter group should be the ones thatget the crowd going. They should,
They should be the ones that start. They will, they will get going.
If you have an MC, whywhy the fuck do they need an
MC to say do this chat now? Dragon said Ragon, why do you

(58:25):
need to say to do that?What you need is a bloke in the
crowd saying let's do it together anddo it up the crowd. The MC
always feels fake whenever he starts doingIt's like the hate him. Donny,

(58:49):
if you were grand announcer, whatwould you say? What would you say?
Who chasing point? Can I?Can I say something? Guys and
girls, The biggest fucking problem iswe haven't made the final since twenty eighteen.

(59:10):
We aren't winning. We aren't winning. Well, if we're sitting here,
we winning by twelve twenty four,weren't talking about any of this ship
exactly right. So somebody's got tochange. Something's going to give. Someone's
gonna you know what I mean,the investing he got the ships about hook,
but there were some games that welost by two points. Going back

(59:32):
the question, I don't think thereferee is made us. I forgot the
question. Learn how to be you. That's what we're gonna do. But
we don't get the rubber the greeAlright, guys, maybe a couple more,

(59:57):
all right, say big Jake,A big Yeah. Someone else is
gonna have to pick up the slackfrom big teach questions. We moved now,
and we'll have a chat about that. The nrrol W and I'll start
with you, Coco. The NRROLWside getting their first win of the season,
and once again the player voted asour best was Tiguan Berry. You

(01:00:20):
had Berry as our best? Tellus why? Um, Well, all
the girls did very well yesterday andsome of those tackled were just phenomenal,
Like I would not like to runat those girls. But it was a
good game. Now, Fatigue andBerry. I thought she did well in
her play, and she did verygood fullback so because she did two hundred

(01:00:40):
and five run meters, two linebreaks, two try, one try assist
and twenty one all runs. SoI just thought she played very well.
And if the girls can go forit, I'll be cheering them all all
the way off. So yeah,I was pretty happy. Well, Jesse,
this one is normal agenda. They'rejust staying on Teagan Berry two games
at fullback after just two games,he probably watched more in row than anyone.

(01:01:05):
Where did she sit in terms ofthe pecking order of fullbacks in the
competition, Well, shou'd be rightup there. Obviously, she's um still
got a lot looked. She's stiloonly twenty one, but I think she
if she can just look brush upon her a couple of things like that,

(01:01:27):
like that small lera that she madeyesterday by not letting the ball like
batting the ball dead Jamie, AndJamie pointed that out of his press conference
that was tyrrel Sloane, Like,wasn't it the swing she had at the
end, And she knew went straightaway that she's a trial um. Even
the comments had said it was agift Frantigan Berry that she's that nice,
she's just let in to try forthe opposition. But no, I think

(01:01:51):
she's actually taken to it by astorm. Obviously, it's a lot of
people do that transition from wink tofullback, but her transition has been seen
us Um. I'd just like tosee her get more games on the ball,
but from what really a transition thoughfor it like she's always been a
fullback she's just had to play winat the top level. Like she came
came through playing Tasha gal Cup asa fullback, that was her position.

(01:02:15):
She wasn't didn't come through with awinner. Yeah, but when when she
came one of the NLW scene,she came onto the wing, obviously she
had people like Sammy Bremer and mand Tommy go in front of them.
Yeah. But it's a bit likeRoger two of us a ship, like
he was always a fullback, buthe played the first four or five seasons
of the Roosters as a and aCello was at fullback and he had to

(01:02:39):
buy his time and before he gotan opportunity at fullback. It was all
like I think Teaed and Berry's thesame. She's always been a fullback.
Um, yeah, obviously he saidthat has preferred position. Yeah yeah,
what what did what you do inin June years as a fullback compared to
what you do at the top level. I think that's probably been a bit
of an eye opened her for him. She's, as I say, she's

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come up through the ranks as afullback, but now at the top level,
like you're you're a leader, You'rea leader straight away and you're playing
one of those key positions. Yeah, and I think she's getting better every
week. I mean last week sheshe was good, but I thought she
was even better yesterday. And funnyyou say that she's actually the top the
leading try score in all time inneralW fourteen tries in seventeen games. That's

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a manner that, Yeah, she'sshe's going, but didn't she like just
in terms of trisper game, it'sit's it's similar to the great Nathan Blacklock
and in terms of what she's doingat the moment, just a hell of
a hell of a try score.And there's a way to she knows how
to find the trial one too.There was her second try. Yeah,

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she got tackled shore the line,reached out, just knew where the trial
one was and got the ball down. So she's she's even developing a passing
and that that second price she puton for Margo, But that was a
lovely pass. Absolutely, yeah,and that's that's something Again, as a
fullback in the lower grades, sheprobably didn't need to have that skill,
but has developed it nicely. Andwe'll move on from from taking Berry to

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the player voted second best by thepanel and Jesse. It's a player you
actually had as the player of thematch Racing McGregor and whatn't you like about
rage game? For her kicking gamewas absolutely brilliant. Um, those pin
point kicks finding on courtest to poweron the wing. That um best best
kicking game in the anaald W byfar. I think, Um, even

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Jamie sounds I can't see Kep betakingin the anaal W and her obviously she
would learn a lot from Sowd aswell being a half back in his day.
Um, but she epitomized why shehas that great kicking game. Her
kicks were pinpoint, even landed aforty thirty and yeah, that's why she

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was brought back to the club.Um, and she's been granted these young
girls and Jess. She was absolutelybrilliant with a kicking game and I think
that's one of the main reasons whywe won. Yeah, I thought thought
she was very good. But thirdin the voting and for the second week
in a row, it shows thatI maybe watched the game a little bit

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differently everyone else. It was aplayer I had as the player of the
match, and that was the Dragonsfive eight Tyler Nathan Wong. I thought
that that she was the constant threat, looked dangerous in a number of different
ways. She looked likely when sheran the ball. She created chances for
the likes of Shane Landel and BobbyLaw with a ball playing and her kicking

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game was solid as well. Ithought McGregor showed showed great game management and
her kicking game was absolutely outstanding.But I actually thought it was her harvest
partner that was a more threatening throughoutand that side of the field just they
just looked likely every time they goto Nathan wrong side of the field.
So she was were all third inthe voting, but I thought she was

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our best cut our past yeah toher Margo Vella's brilliant yeah has man Our
next apartment is a highly fancied SydneyRoosters who are coming off a bit of
a shock loss for the Raiders.This is a chance for us to show
we are a finals quality team ordo you expect us to be brought back

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to worth in this game? ThatI reckons huge chance now. One one
player that I did notice was missingfrom for the Roosters was Bloody Centers name
I've completely forgotten now Jessie who wasJessica surges Old. Yeah, she was

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injured for that game. Do youknow if she's going to be back next
week? I haven't heard anything thatwas. I think it was a calf
straining a Thursday probably not pricky.It's a calf. People are playing on
Sunday, you'd think probably a betterchance. But given us a Thursday night
game, you'd say, long Olds, do you think carth's a sort of

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injury. You've got to be carefulwith our Sam Kerr. Yeah, a
couple of weeks, but she's deemedshe's playing tomorrow night, so yeah,
it's dull or die. I reallyactually has to play, So I think
i'd think if we had won thatlast game, I don't think Sam Kerr
will be playing against Canada. Butanyway, we digress. Latrelle Mitchell,

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he hasn't played a game in twoweeks with a car Yeah, there's more
going on there than they're telling us, isn't there? Twelve works give me
a break, But I mean wesaw the saw that a similar thing.
Um was it last year or theyear before with with Bud where he took

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a lot longer to recover from ahamstring and I spoke doing my line and
he said, I actually I didit, and then I was coming back
in through training and I did itagain. So that's the reason why it
was there was a longer recovery.Might be the same with Latrolle Mitchell.
He's just maybe he's come back acouple of times and done it and done

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it again, so in any casehe's back now. Cards are always funny
ones, so I wouldn't expect jesSur just to play I've got another revention.
Though I love Maddie Weather. I'llhit on Kennedy. That was that
was absolutely was the jersey, theEels jersey. Yeah, I love that

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one. Like Kennedy Chrrington that theEarls captain every time she gets tackled,
every time either one of the Charrington'ssisters get tackled, they seem to get
up and want to want to pushand shove the Markers and shove them away.
And I love the fact that theDragons girls didn't take it backward step.
There was one stage where where Kennedygot up and she she looked at

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young Ella Costa at Marker and gaveher a big shove, and Carla cal
On was at second marker, andshe just and just like throwing her back
and said, like Kennedy didn't likeit, did you don't You don't go
and start shoving an eighteen year oldlike that, like go and get stuffed.
Well that's I think it was abit more of a welcome the wooll
of for Kennedy. Yeah. Yeah, I think Carla cow and Maddie Weather

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all were two that came off thebench and really didn't take her backward step.
I thought Cowen was actually fantastic offthe off the bench you her first
game. Actually spoke to them,actually spoke to Tara mc great westerday,
she said that was the highlight ofthe game, her and Maddie Weather all
smashing Kennedy che Well, she wasshe was a lot better in game two

(01:09:41):
than she was in game one.Well, she was sick actually in the
first game, so obviously. Um. She even said it herself that she
still doesn't know what her role isin the side, well knowing the coming
weeks. But yeah, big testagainst the Rooster's coming up on Thursday.
Yeah. I thought she was prettydisappointing in the first game and deservedly dropped
back to the bench. But ifshe was she was crooked, then that

(01:10:03):
might have been the reason for it. And we'll see if she gets back
into the starting side, because shewas really good as well and good to
see that the Dragons girls get awin. Let's let's have a look now
at the highlights from the other lowergrades games. We'll start with the Jersey
Fleet so this is actually the NewSouth Wales Cup, so this is mainly

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going in to score a try aswe see the same problems on the wings
there and now over to the otherside of the field. So the first
one was Alex Love at this timeof the one Finnell jamming in and they
led. They led twelve points toNeil before we got started. Paul Turner,
he puts up a bomb. It'snot back by Jackson Sherriff or though

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it's ruled knocked back, I'm prettysure that's knocked on by the Blacktown side.
And then a lateral pass there fromZach Herring to set up Finnelle for
the try to get us into thecontest. And we then go on and
we score the next try. Abit of eyes up footy Zach Herring thought
about kicking throws the pass and Haileyfinnh Our great pass to put Turner away

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and turn it to Ryan Coppsmanho onlyplayed the first forty minutes before going up
to the eighteenth man for the nrOL side scores the try. Another bomb
from turn Up, knocked back by, knocked on by by the singles,
and it's Tray Stewart going in togive us a fourteen points to twelve league.
But then just before the break theport effort there in defense from Paul

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Turner as the Blacktown side. Ikeep going to call them manly, but
they're not manly technically. A Harvardbridge passed there from from Cooper John's again
Sione Finnau in field, the sameas all our wingers are in all grades.
So Garner gets his second. Agreat round the want to pass year

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from Jackson Sheriam puts us within twopoints with thirteen minutes to play, playing
for our season in the New SouthWales Cup. But then this happened.
They go wide Max Fini Paul Turner. Pretty poor effort there, mainly into
the backfield drawing pass puts the fullbackaway to score of the try. They

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go up twenty eight points to twentywith six minutes to go, and it
doesn't get much better that from theirtray, Stewart knocking that one on,
picked up by Jake Toby who gota double in about two minutes set for
the Blacktown side, and then theyhad one more Zach Herring and Savellio Tomale

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just I don't know what they weredoing defensively in that one and mainly scored
to end up winning that game prettycomfortably. And so that was the New
South Wales Cup and now the JerseyFleet. This is just the Dragons Trials.
Last tack will play here and theycome down this short side and then

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that tackled. This is the finalplay and it comes to Kay and Joltenson
who just gets caught in two minds, not quite sure whether to run past
kick, gets the ball toward andthen a nice little jump shot there from
Ward to get get us over inthe corner with Buchanan. This is all
Ashton Ward slices through and watch thisno looker, that's beautiful to like end

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King Toyes. Seven minutes in weled ten points to nil, but unfortunately
from there we really went went behindby a fair bits. He is Tom
Phillips scoring our last try but weget went down thirty two points to sixteen
in that game on told that wason the back of about a twenty to

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one penalty count against us Rob.Just having a look at the new South
Wales Cup highlights there, it's it'snow all but over for the new South
Wales Cup side. I don't knowthat they can make finals. Maybe if
some results go our way, butit looks fairly unlikely that we're going to
play finals. So watching the highlightsand again same players jamming in off the

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wings, do you see similar issuesin the second grade as exists in the
top grade. I didn't say.I thought we were improving and maybe the
defensive structure was changing, but bylooks of it, not on what we've
seen and what we're hearing. MYeah, and I think changes have to

(01:14:41):
be made when Flann comes in andyeah, but mate, yeah, I
just don't think anything's changed since talkleft to answer the question, Yeah,
I do think that there's again similarissues with the winners jamming. We saw
both Alex Loebins the only Finnelle doingit in lower grades. These are the

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players that the people are saying needto come into the top grade at least
two maybe three of the tries therewere the only Fineale jam in in off
his wing and tackling his center.That's the way we tack That's the way
we defended every grade. So iffinew comes into the top grade is going
to do exactly the same things thatMatt Finey is doing, it's not going
to fix it. So it's acoaching issue, it's not a personnel issue,

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all right, Jesse. We've gota question that has come through from
Johnny Burke about about Jaden Sullivan.Wanted to know if either you or Chloe
spoke to Bud about his future atthe club. So I'll go to you
to address it. Well, I'llstart, and then Cocoa can jump in
as well. So yeah, heactually did confirm that he actually is moving

(01:15:49):
on the end of the year.Hasn't specified which club that he is going
to, but he said that's Footy. I told him how disappointed I am
to see the Michael junior and onseeing him come through the ranks and kind
of sad setting. I loves bloke. I wish him all the best.
Hopefully goes well and mom has asuccessful in our career. Hopefully. Who

(01:16:11):
knows that he could be back inthe club one David, Yeah, Coka,
you can go in debt furthers.Oh, that's what Jesse said.
He just said that the club doesn'twant him, so he wants to do
what's best for him and his future. So yeah, he he didn't say
he's the Tigers or anything yet,Like he just said he's looking elsewhere because
he still wants to be number sevenhe said. And yeah, he just

(01:16:34):
wants to be able to play foot, something that he loves. Yeah,
and I think that's an important pointto you make their coco because there is
some misunderstanding, some people thinking thatBud actually wants to leave because he's some
kind of prima donna that thinks he'sentitled to a first great spot. But

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that's not the case at all.Budd has been told he's actually not wanted
at the club next season. Yeah, that's right. Yeah, that's what
he said. Like because I madea bee line for him first and I
said, look, I'm really sadto see you go, and he's like,
yeah, well, when the clubdoesn't wanting, what do you do?
And I said exactly so, andhe he said that too. He's

(01:17:15):
like he didn't want to leave,but you know, and that's what I
mean. He's twenty one years old, so I hope he gets picked up
with a good coach for his futureand become a good first grade up,
you know. And Donnie correct meif I'm wrong, mate. Before Hunt
signed his extension, wasn't Bud sortof told that, you know, once

(01:17:36):
Hunts finished with the Dragons, he'dbe taken over him, and that's why
he sort of, yeah, Iwanted to stay on with us. Yeah,
well that was definitely Again, planschange. We've got a different coaches
coming now that the indication is fromHooks that that Bud was part of the
future plans for the Dragons and wantedto keep him around. Shane Flanagan,

(01:17:59):
new coach coming, he's got adifferent idea. He's decided that Bud is
not part of his future plans.So that's that's what's what's what's changed is
we've got a change in coach.So there's a change in the attitude towards
him, rightly or wrongly. Personally. I think most people think that this
is the first mistake that Shane Finnagain has made, but Tom will tell

(01:18:21):
again that there's there's certainly no guaranteeswith Bud. While we on the on
the Mad Dragon's vodcast, many onthe panels certainly have a very high opinion
of him. He hasn't proven anything. He has not proven anything on a
consistent basis at first grade level.He's shown glimpses of what he's capable of,
but he he hasn't hasn't been ableto do it week in week out,

(01:18:45):
and he hasn't really shown that hecan can take control of a team.
A lot of people saying he's nota game manager. I disagree.
I've seen him managed games and hedoes have that ability, but he hasn't
shown that at in a royal level. So there there are plenty of doubt.
And then you've got you've got theinjury concerns as well. He has
had quite a few soft tissue injuriesthat seemed to be be problematic, and

(01:19:12):
a lot of people thinking that's goingto be long term, always going to
be an issue, when he's nevergoing to come right again. I don't
necessarily share that belief. I thinkthat he'll get more resilience as as he
gets older. He will grow intohis body, He'll grow into his muscles
and all that sort of stuff,and I think he'll become a lot more
reliable and durable as as he getsolder. But I can understand why people

(01:19:33):
do have have some concerns and don'tshare our super high opinion of what Buddy
is capable of. But yeah,it's for me, like I'm a huge
Jaden Sullivan fan, and for methis is this is the saddest I've been
about a player leaving the club sincewe since Lance Thompson went to the Sharks,

(01:19:56):
because he was another bloke that wasa real favorite of mine. I
was never started the seeing go soum, yeah, what are you laughing
about now, Jess. Rob's gettingup with about nachet background, So there
you go, Rob Mat meet RoxyMurdocks. Well I'm the same with you,

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Donnie. Last year I was upsetbecause Terik left Terrek Sims. It
was the same thing. The Dragonsdo want him and I thought, no,
we need him. He's a workhorse. And now Jayden, who's twenty
one years old, who's getting toldto move on, And I get it
rugby league, you know you're inor you're out. But he's still developing.
So I'm a bit sad and angryat the same time, But I

(01:20:41):
understand, but still like, yesBen hunts captain, Yes, Ben hunts
the most amazing person because he doesOri Jinny's played for Australia. But what
about these young guys like we haveWell I don't have a child, but
I have brother who's in who's inrugby league. We all have children or
nieces who are in rogue league whowant to come up and become something in

(01:21:02):
rugby league. But like to seethis twenty one year old who got fobbed
off a few times from book goingfrom yes you're going to go in,
no, you're going back to yourhalf back cup. I just feel for
him, so I hope the nextclub treats him a bit more decently and
respectfully. So but if you're listening, I have your back, So good
luck and what happens also too,if if the Great King Minnie gets injured,

(01:21:25):
he's turning thirty four next season.Yeah, that's up to recruiting.
Yeah, I guarantee you we willsign a halfback, probably two or three
halfbacks, so we'll have a couple. Everything. Wouldn't let him go unless
he has a planning place. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I understand.

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Dragons Kyle welcome to the Dragon.Yes, exactly what I was going to
him is alive and well. Atthe Saint Georgia l Word Dragons, I
had a father son coach. Idon't know, man, i'd have to
go. I don't don't think so, I don't even know. Probably at

(01:22:14):
some stage I don't know. Butwho cares love it all right? Has
men And this was supposed to befor Big T but he's gone, so
you get the lucky one that getsthe the unseen question at Jack Devellum looks
set to fight his hip drop charge, but because the Nights us and they

(01:22:39):
also hate jd B, I'd sayhe's no chance of getting off, which
means he's gone for the next fourweeks. Who do you think replaces him?
A block? Um? Yeah,look, good question without it's a
hard one without. He must alljust put bloody Milo in there for a

(01:23:00):
fucking difference. It will make well. I think Michael Milo seems the most
logical option. I personally, i'dlove to see see Toby Couchman going to
go into that lock role. Ithink he'd do do a wonderful, wonderful
bad job there. He's got gota high work grade, he's a young

(01:23:23):
bloke. Yeah, I think physicallyit will be a huge challenge for him,
but at this stage of the year, let's give him that challenge and
let's see. Let's let's see seeif he's up to it. What about
his brother, Well, as Isay him and his brother, the are
the same person in my eyes,him and his brother, like like Ryan's

(01:23:45):
been playing lock down and down inNew South Wales Cup. So if Ryan
can do it down in New SouthWales Cup, that's why I say Toby
can do it at hour row level. He's been up in the NFL pretty
much all season. So yeah,basically when they played together down in New
Soundles Cup, they both played eightyminutes through the middle of the field and
we're absolutely sensational as a one twoone two combo. I think both of

(01:24:06):
them could be our two starting frontroles before too long because they are that
bloody good. But yeah, I'dlove to see the Dragons take a bit
more of a chance than just goingwith the safety first option of a Michael
Milo at Lock. But we know, we know what's going to happen.
We'll be Michael Milo named on Tuesdayat Lock. If if Jack devellon isn't

(01:24:29):
fighting and if he is fighting,which we expect that he will be,
and then yeah, well we'll probablybe missing him for four weeks. I'll
name him on Tuesday and then hewill get scratched on Wednesday. Cross Now
Jesse Nika Ravaloa again look to beplaying injured at times in this game against

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Manly. Do you think the fijand freak train gets a week off or
do you think with a couple ofother injuries he might have to power through
it. I think he'll get namedon Tuesday. He didn't show any signs
of that when I saw him today. Yeah, I think he'll get named

(01:25:11):
on Tuesday if he's If he's allgood to go, I think one cale
back into play and I don't expectany changes to the wings at all.
I think Ravel will stay on thewing. I'd love to see him see
any now we've been sad for anumber of weeks. I'd like to see
him get a crack, but Ithink it'll be yet again. Well,
a few people in the comments sayingyou for giftterbellance out and who who is

(01:25:34):
a person that actually comes on tothe bench if well, whether it's Michael
Marlowe or Toby Couchman, and alot of people saying they want Ryan Couchman
as you suggested I'd love. Yeah, there might be a link to the
to your photo there, Jesse isto who might be another option to come
in? That's right, So thewife of so this is Roxy Murder,

(01:25:58):
the wife I've been murder Passilla whoactually us both to him today is that
he's dude back next week, whetheror not he goes straight back into the
NAL side or comes back by USAlast cup. I don't know what Ryan
Car's planes are there, but Benconfirmed he'll be back next week, so
he could be another option to playa lot. Yeah, well I don't
know about lock, but he couldcertainly take that bench spot and come on

(01:26:21):
to the bench in the NROL sideand again deny Ryan Couchman. How that
deboo everyone wants to see before theseason is done. But we'll see what
plays out. It's going to beanother interesting show on Tuesday, so make
sure you're tune in for that.Rob Jesse alluded to it just a minute
together, but the Dragons of onehundred percent confirmed the signing of harm Sell.

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What are your thoughts on the SaintGeorge Dragons Junior returning to the club
in twenty twenty four. Not oneof those yellow juniors like Chloe and Jesse
liked to sprout us and George DrawsS. George drains kings Grove Cults Junior.
So if anybody knows the areas,kings Grave obviously partisan George. I

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think it's a great move to bringhim back. He's a genuine NRL Ford.
He's been playing with some very verygood teams Penrith and South in their
systems since he left the Dragons,so I think it will be very good
for us. It will be animprovement and he'll lead value to us don

(01:27:26):
him. So I don't see beinga battered move at all. So I'm
excited to see he's only still relativelyyoung, what he can bring out for
us, you know, coming backhome. So yeah, so good good
things. I think. Yeah,I think a lot of people are excited
by this. I think for me, I actually think but Will gets pulled

(01:27:47):
over people's eyes by the fact thathe's a starting front rower of Souse and
Shouse are one of the contenders forthe premiership. I think when you actually
look at what he's done as anindividual, I don't know that it's been
quite as impressive as some people whatI make out that it has been.
What is he one hundred and eightyfour centimeters tall and one hundred and two

(01:28:09):
kilos. He's not exactly the bigbopper that that we've been streaming out for
that we need. So yeah,I think that he is a very very
very good player. But I'm I'mnot sure that he is better than all
the all the front roles we've currentlygot. I still think Harmsell comes back

(01:28:30):
and Blake Laurie is still a bestprop um, so that's that's where I
see him sitting in the pecking orderat the Dragons. But yeah, he's
a he's a good, good player. He could prove me wrong. He's
a mobile player, a bit morelike a Ruben Cottter type, so he's
got that good footwork. He's gotbetter lateral movement than a guy like like
Laurie and even Frankie Molo. Ithink that might be something that he can

(01:28:55):
fix. But I suppose a similarbody type to Michael Molo, for instance,
So I'm not as as enamored withthe with the signing as some others.
I love having a Dragons junior backat the club, whether it's in
George Orrilla Warren. I love allour juniors and I'm happy to have him

(01:29:15):
back, but I'm not Yeah,I'm not over the moon with the signing.
Is I suppose what I'm getting atRollo has men. What I'd like
to do now is just play abit of a video about the about the
Dragons Women in League District Champions andthen get your reaction, and I suppose

(01:29:38):
just talk about what women in theLady ground means to you. So hopefully
this one works. First time Iad any of them Dragons. We're just
up here at my Style to Day, okay with one of our Women in

(01:30:00):
the League District Champions. And whatJacqueline doesn't know that we're actually here to
announce her as our winner for theGroup seven region. She thinks she's just
getting interviewed about the competition. Solooking forward to the surprise in her here
today. Well, she's hard atwork as she has been and as part
of her nomination, so looking forwardto seeing her reaction. Jacqueline, You've

(01:30:25):
been nominated for our Women in LeagueDistrict Champions. Does it make you feel
to be nominated for such an award. A little very embarrassed to be honest,
but yeah, quite appreciated of thenomination, thanks Chris um. But
yeah, we do have a lotof fantastic volunteers here at the club who
did a lot of work. Soyeah, what we're actually doing today is
we're actually announcing you as our Groupseven women in the League district champion.

(01:30:49):
So um, we've got Blake hereas well, so well, congratulations m
Jacqueline is actually just been named ourdistrict champion for Group seven. So waist
here's to get up the jacklin.We're here with Dan Milchowski, who holds

(01:31:14):
a number of roles at the club. Don't let ever know a little bit
about your role here with Berkeley Juniorsand what you do for the kids down
here. Um. So I tookover a presence and hearing about three years
ago and I kind of do everything, so doing all the fields, all
the canteen, all the registrations,all the uniforms. Um, I do

(01:31:36):
blue shop for most of the teams. I do manager for most of the
teams, so I kind of havemy hand in everything. But I just
love being making sure the kids allget on the field. So I didn't
know if someone else was to doit, if they would be as passionate
as I would be at getting kidsto play rugby league. But yeah,
that's why I do what I do. We're actually here today to announced that

(01:31:58):
you are the women in League Districtchampion for the Laura. Um. Yeah,
so yeah, I guess congratulations arein order. Um. You know
the phenomena is that run there,the work that you just explained that you
do. There is a credit toyou and what you do for those kids,
Like what do you say? TheDragons Congratulations and we'll get Berkeley Junior

(01:32:20):
to come over and present yours.After Captain's random we're going to get a
photo with Angela Nadira. But whatshe doesn't know is we're going to surprise

(01:32:41):
her. She's our district women inLeague winner. Let's go surprise her with
the count three. You know whatyou're saying. Three congratulation, thank you,

(01:33:14):
oh, thank you, thank youfor coming training, thank you.
Oh my goodness, I wasn't I'mbeen nervous now. I wasn't nervous before.
But we do all this just sothat we can just get players on
the field. And it's not justlike me. I haven't been tame around
me and if it's really grateful thatwe can leave part of thank you lady.

(01:33:45):
Well as man is there he said, okay, well, joker,
I'll get you to respond to thatone. Then okay, then I'm here.
I don't know, Um, I'mbeautiful. Good on all the women,
congratulations and winning and keep doing whatyou're doing for the rugby league.
And yet I just think it's greatto see the women and mums and grandmas

(01:34:10):
and um everyone out supporting your lovedones, um for rugby league too,
So keep it up, ladies.Yeah. I particularly like the the winner
of the the Illawarra Champion that thatthat came out and they asked us like,
what what is it that you do? And she said, I basically

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do everything. I think anyone that'sworking in local rugby league knows that that's
probably true. But there's always thatthat weren't one person in the club that
films every role that needs to befilled, every role that no one else
puts the end up for. Theyput their end up and do it,
and she's obviously that person for forthat that club. And I don't know,

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I don't know where we'd be withoutdoubt whe without the women making that
make the game kick. And Ilove the way. I love the way
that women in league ground has hasmatured over that the last sort of ten
years or so it used to andI think Big Team talked about it when
when you hosted on Tuesday Jesse talkingabout the campaign Ladies, that was when

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you when you talked about women inleague that they were pretty much the only
people you spoke about. But nowlike that, they are players, they
are coaches, they are officials,they are involved models if they're involved in
every level of the game through administration, and I find that they're quite often

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the lifeblood around that the social aspectsof rugby league clubs as well. They're
the ones that that organize all thatall that side of things and keep things
going, to keep money flowing intothe clubs. So I think there's so
many women involved in the game andin so many different capacities now that it's
not it's not just the Canteen ladies, it's not just the mums that I

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mean what they're all still still reallyimportant to the game. That there there
is so much more that women dofor the game nowadays than than they did
sort of fifteen twenty years ago,and they're involved in so many other different
ways, so I think it's it'sfantastic and continues to grow. I think
grassroots is also important as well,because you want to see the next generation

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coming through the Oswald playing. Yeahabsolutely, all right, um Coko,
I'll stay with you because again I'llshare my screen. He's back, has
Man's back, so so Coco.You were obviously the member family fun days,

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So there you are on the Dragonspage. How was the day?
It was actually really good. Um, I enjoyed it. The only downside
was I wish the girls were thereas well, like being just the fellas.
There were some of the women,but I thought it would be nice
if if for a friendly fun day, the girls and the men were there

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together and we couldn't meet more ofthe women. But I enjoyed it.
I was talking to everybody, um, joking around. Got to go on
the sheds. It was amazing.Got to go see what they did like
you know, um, i'll putit on the chat chat later, but
I got to see what they dolike before the game and after the game.
There's a hot tub in the inthe sheds. Yeah, it's so

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cool. You got to run outwhere they run out. Oh, I
felt I was a kid again.I was like, oh, this is
so much fun. You know.It was really good. Yeah, yeah,
yeah, just yeah. I wouldlike to see more the women because
but I'm also going to another onenext week a brunch, so I'll feel
you in on that one for nextweek's segment. Okay, how good was

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it to see your second man,Bud. Some of them you said,
yep, yep, yep, yep. We're our first first time basis first
time. Okay, call me Chloe, then I call him Bud and we
have a good chat. You know, even even loved even send a message
to you, Donnie. He didn'tmate. He's will be sure to share

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some of that stuff over the comingdays. But it was nice to see
some of the players that you gotdoing videos and uh yeah telling people to
tune into the Mad Dragon's podcast.Some of them on the wrong day sneak
preview. I think he said loveyou, Donnie Bell, and nobody's checked

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his smile. But Bud loves me. I love Bud. We all love
Bud like we love We're going tomiss it, Bud watching, but we're
going to be shut Yeah, weneed to have him on. I haven't
seen him on for a farewell,come on, don't come on, yeh,
make it happen. He ends upsign of someone else, why not

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get him on. We'll see whatwe can do. But yeah, I
think it would be be fantastic ifwe're just trying to organize the last thing
that we're doing and got a fewdifferent screens going. But yeah, I

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think it'd be great if we couldget Butter on for the before he leaves
the Dragons, before he uh hecomes, a Tiger or a Night or
whatever other club might be be chasinghis signature and trying to try to throw
dollars at him. But yeah,we'll see how that goes. But in
any case, once again, i'dlike to thank every one who has tuned

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in for tonight's show, and wewill be back on Tuesday night with a
preview of our next game against adesperate Paramount Ariels. But on the weekend
where we went one from four,let's finish with the joy of our NRLW
team singing the team song. Comeon, Dragons, fans, Fire up,

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fire up right. I met this. I take