We get upped by the Wahs

After trouble recording the last couple of shows we are back with our review of the game against the Warriors

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
What's the story telling the mad Dragon that my mother
off my side that you were four fans. Certain Nutty
is duxious, but pull the dragon's pride.

Speaker 2 (00:21):
With the.

Speaker 1 (00:30):
Shining to Tony, make your jess.

Speaker 3 (00:37):
My podcast.

Speaker 4 (00:44):
That's how we drop the dragon.

Speaker 1 (00:46):
Stop that dragons back Dragons.

Speaker 3 (00:51):
That's the way.

Speaker 4 (00:54):
Carrying the back dragons.

Speaker 1 (00:56):
Trouble dragon Man's up.

Speaker 5 (01:03):
We'll get a Dragons fans and welcome to the Mad
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(01:25):
nine three zero.

Speaker 4 (01:27):
Now, I know that this is a review show of
the Dragons game against the Warriors.

Speaker 5 (01:33):
And there's a lot of there's a lot of things
that people want to speak about with regard to this game,
but I want to use my intro tonight to wish
the great Jack Clinton well. For those of you that
don't know, Jack runs another Dragons podcast called the Red
v Podcast.

Speaker 4 (01:50):
It's it's a shipped in better than the trash you're
going to see tonight.

Speaker 5 (01:54):
He's an actual professional that probably wouldn't use the phrase
shipped in, and he's done a remarkable job for a
long period of time. And I'm certainly going to miss
his podcast. I want to with Jack and his family
all the best and hopefully he still has some involvement
in creating content about the club, because he's very good.

Speaker 4 (02:14):
At what he does. And on that note, we'll land
over to had Men for Euros and Villainy. That's down,
look at by yourself? You want to lockt out.

Speaker 6 (02:25):
Doing your front door?

Speaker 7 (02:26):
Well, my hero, why can you tell us what run
that next?

Speaker 8 (02:34):
Can you get down?

Speaker 1 (02:35):
Zra Hero?

Speaker 9 (02:43):
You's ware?

Speaker 8 (02:53):
Yes, Thanks Tony and welcome back, Mack. Good, good to
see you again.

Speaker 9 (02:59):
We both Jesse and myself are somewhat relieved that you're
that you're you're back after the last few weeks.

Speaker 3 (03:09):
So you're looking fresh there, has Men, nice cut, you're
looking fresh mate.

Speaker 8 (03:14):
Thanks boys, look at you. We've got someone who's that billy.
I think we might need to add him into proceedings
as well. Let's get into it now. I look this out,
I knocked this out about ten minutes ago, so forgive

(03:35):
me if it's not quite as a polished as all.

Speaker 9 (03:38):
So here as in Villains Round ten, do the locomotion
I've called it for reasons that I'll explain surely. Now
the Cole Flanagan experiment is over, the so called dominant
half still unable to do a damn thing other than

(04:00):
and hope the same game plan as under Hunt, but
with Hunt from Tiamu doing the gigging. Add to that
his complete inability to see the players around him who
would have scored one hundred percent and go himself and
get tackled, which admittedly Clink Garthison did as well. Now,

(04:24):
on the bright side, we did see the emergence of
an absolute weapon in Loco Pacifici Tonga with twelve meters
for one hundred and ten runs, eighteen tackles with no misses,
and more importantly, forty nine post contact meters in stark.
Contrast to our so called big signing in David Klemmer,

(04:48):
who did absolutely fuck all and Luke Tyano Lelilla, who
should never start a game in the Red V again,
why the hell you'd start him just because it's a
milestone game is completely beyond me. I'm starting to think
that Shane Flanagan is not a coach's bootlace, and the

(05:12):
fact that he keeps comparing players to his Cronulla side
from twenty sixteen really makes me think he doesn't have
a clue what he's doing. Leaving Sloane on when he's
quite clearly injured is just a grade level stupid, and

(05:33):
bringing clemor and Cook back on with the game in
the balance just shows an absolute inaptitude beyond even Anthony Griffin.
So think for a moment about the absolute level of
stupidity that we're discussing here. Okay, now, the young guys

(05:54):
like Egan Stewart and Jacob Little, even though he's not
particularly that young, killing it while so called big name
recruits like Clemmor, Gatherson and Holmes are consistently pouring up
not very much. Logo Tonga should absolutely keep his spot

(06:17):
and Flannagan should lose his. Bringing Glover, I don't give
a shit just someone who has more than one attacking play.
The hero is Logo Tonga for showing us what our
forward should be doing, and the villain is Flannagan senior
for being the absolute worst coach that we've had since

(06:38):
Paul McGregor.

Speaker 4 (06:40):
To you, Donny, what you meaning to the phrase talking head,
because about all we could see was just show.

Speaker 5 (06:56):
Well you basically cover it off on a few things
that we're get to come but we don't need to
ask as men anymore.

Speaker 4 (07:02):
Rich his opinion is because he's given it to us
their loud and clear. That is a that's a big,
strong message.

Speaker 5 (07:12):
I don't know that I agree with with everything that
you've said there, but I certainly agree with the sentiment,
and I feel the frustration is something that a lot
of Dragons fans feel. So let's introduce the rest of
the panel. So we do have of course, has me
in there.

Speaker 4 (07:28):
Big tea.

Speaker 3 (07:29):
There we go.

Speaker 4 (07:31):
Let's talking about that later.

Speaker 3 (07:33):
We'll be talking about that later.

Speaker 4 (07:36):
Up will pop up every now and then, Jesus, it's.

Speaker 10 (07:39):
Like the it's like the dick pick in, just flap
it on the screen every now and then it will
be don't worry, ah, Now we've got big t has been.

Speaker 4 (07:55):
We've got Benny who.

Speaker 5 (07:56):
Might be cowpering and spluttering his way through the show,
which fantastic that he's been able to join us. Not
he's not feeling the best and Jesse hiding down in
the bottom bottom Ridy and Corner's air as well.

Speaker 4 (08:09):
So we'll go into Mad Dragons Podcast Player of the Year.

Speaker 5 (08:12):
We'll start with a bit of positive because I don't
think it's going to be all positive.

Speaker 4 (08:19):
Let's get him the Mad Dragon Vodcast Player of the
Year voting.

Speaker 5 (08:21):
This will be the last time we're actually going to
reveal the votes before we head behind closed doors. In
my absence, as men did a job that the Dragons
would be proud of with the and what I mean
by that with the collection of votes. He did it
in a half last way and there was plenty missing Son.

Speaker 4 (08:50):
The men of the match though for this game, was
was Dylan Egan.

Speaker 5 (08:54):
We've had ten of the eleven members give me their votes,
but Dylan Egan he's.

Speaker 4 (08:58):
On top at the moment as the Men of the Match.

Speaker 5 (09:01):
According to the panel, there were two of the ten
that have given me their votes that had Eagle.

Speaker 4 (09:06):
With top honors.

Speaker 5 (09:08):
It was was very tight with a lot of players
worth mentioning, but the two went to Jade and Sewer
and one to Jack Debellum. So despite the Pigs getting
a fair amount of criticism, our panel as three of
them as our best three players from that match.

Speaker 4 (09:25):
So moving into some moments of the match.

Speaker 5 (09:28):
You're on the Mad Dragons Podcast, brought to you by
Complete Warehouse Solutions, and I'll start with you b t
Locko Tonga had Willie Tallall present his debut jersey. Talk
us through some of your your favorite favorite moments in
the week, the videos, the memories from from Locko's family
and the lead up.

Speaker 3 (09:48):
Yeah, it was a great, great talk from Loco's mum.
Taking into football is to love the game. And then
Willie Tallow handing in the jersey. How's a special? I
think telling how to had a tear in his eye
actually because he's he's brought him through the reserve grade
and he was playing first grade. Now, I thought he

(10:09):
was a little light on when I first looked at
him in the game, but I watched to watch it
again the second time, and I thought he did pretty well. Yeah,
he's around thirty minutes and third hit up thirty motors,
eighteen tackles. That's not bad for thirty minutes.

Speaker 4 (10:29):
Yeah, yeah, I did a good job.

Speaker 9 (10:31):
But it was actually supposed to pretty much because had
the injury to Tob couch Rand. But right, OK, I
would have I would have either left him one for
longer or absolutely put him back on after maybe a
two minute last.

Speaker 8 (10:49):
He was absolutely killing it.

Speaker 5 (10:51):
He was.

Speaker 3 (10:52):
He wasn't he wasn't quite cut off the back fence
like I thought he would. He was sort of more
flat foot when he got the ball, but he made
the motors and made the post contact met he did well.
I thought we'll talk a little bit more.

Speaker 5 (11:04):
We'll come back to his performance a little bit later on,
but we'll yeah, talk about the lead up lead up here.
But next question, I go to you, Benny, two birds
with one stone really with this question, lucile Lua plays
game number one hundred and fifty and he's also promoted
to the starting lineup. Do you think, as has been
sort of suggested, do you think that his milestone had

(11:27):
a bearing on the decision for him to start?

Speaker 4 (11:30):
Oh?

Speaker 6 (11:30):
Yeah, I'd say it definitely did. Yeah, Like he's good
achievement for him. You know, he's been around and he's
he's done the hard yards, so well done to him.
But yeah, starving him may not have been the right decision,
but either way, it's been done now.

Speaker 8 (11:45):
But yeah, he's such a is This one.

Speaker 6 (11:50):
Has rocks and Diamonds sort of plays as well, you know,
like I thought he tried really hard last night. Yeah,
he made a lot of errors, but at least he
was trying stuff he was having to go. You know,
he was a real handful when he was running. It
took three or four people to get him down. He
broke the line with the every time he ran breaks Benny. Yeah,
I know, I thought I thought it played pretty well.
Like a lot of people are giving him ship, you know,

(12:11):
because he dropped a few balls or pushed a few passes,
but at least trying to create stuff. He was he
was doing the work that the Flannagan should have been doing. Yeah,
we'll see different. I thought he played an right game.

Speaker 4 (12:25):
You know.

Speaker 6 (12:25):
I think if if even two or three the things
that he tried came off, we would have won that game.

Speaker 8 (12:30):
You know, you would have set a couple of tries up.

Speaker 4 (12:32):
But he's like that.

Speaker 8 (12:33):
You know, you'll either get him on a real good
day and.

Speaker 6 (12:35):
Everything will work and he'll be an absolute superstar, or
he'll push stuff just that little bit too hard. I
don't want to come off and be put on him,
but yeah, unfortunately it's just one of those players. But
you congratulate for one hundred and fifty mate, you on behind, Yeah, yeah,
I think you.

Speaker 5 (12:54):
Make some good points there, Benny, And if some of
the things come off, he's a hero the villain.

Speaker 4 (13:01):
Unfortunately, I think he came off a bit.

Speaker 5 (13:03):
Of the villain with Adding to a worrying trend for
the Dragons is their their lack of completion, the fact
that they haven't made other complete sets throughout the season,
and it puts them.

Speaker 4 (13:14):
Under a lot of pressure.

Speaker 8 (13:15):
He's pretty much take Lomax's roll on.

Speaker 6 (13:17):
He's just yeah, was pushing those flip passes and front
balls out of the sideline, you know, like he was
trying to create stuff. That's the sort of player that
Lomax wise, you know, like he always pushed one hundred
and ten percent, but they don't always come off.

Speaker 8 (13:30):
And I think literally are it's sort of taken that
role on.

Speaker 6 (13:33):
You know, I guarantee that that our edge edge forwards
and our outside backs they would be feeling a lot
of pressure because our halves just start stepping up, you
know and giving them good opportunities to create points. So
they're they're probably pushing stuff that they shouldn't be necessarily pushing.

Speaker 8 (13:51):
But what choices they have. You know, someone's going to
create stuff.

Speaker 5 (13:53):
So yeah, when you got when you got calves, we've
got no creativity at all, then you're right that fall
to somebody else to be the person that's got to
try and make something from nothing. And you know, I
think Luciana is certainly going to come in for some
criticism because of the fact that he that he came
up with a few errors. For me, it's in fact

(14:16):
a fence on the edge that concerns me as much
as as much as the errors. I think he's just
a bit too slow at covering that space on the inside.

Speaker 4 (14:24):
That gives me as many concerns as that is the
But again, we will come back to that when we
talk about the lawrier's first try.

Speaker 5 (14:35):
But for now, Jesse World Champion Alex Volkanovski USC Champion
delivered the game ball.

Speaker 4 (14:42):
This is an honor normally reserved for former players.

Speaker 5 (14:46):
Do you like a high profile fan like Vulkanovski getting
a chance to do.

Speaker 4 (14:50):
This or do you think it's something that should be
kept to the legends of the club.

Speaker 11 (14:55):
I didn't mind it.

Speaker 2 (14:56):
I mean, he got a good reception when he when
he when he walked onto the ground to present the
ball around the photos with fans as well. Club even
presented him with a jersey. Yeah, so it's good to
see a sporting hero like him, like an ill or
a local actually played rugby league before he went into UFC.

Speaker 11 (15:15):
So yeah, I don't mind. I don't mind it like
you should.

Speaker 2 (15:18):
There might be more of it, but yeah, generally, now
and again, I wouldn't mind seeing like an Ilawarra sporting
hero or someone from.

Speaker 11 (15:26):
Our local area. But most of the time, yeah, I
would prefer it to be a legends.

Speaker 4 (15:31):
Yeah, I think it's good, mate.

Speaker 5 (15:36):
So if they're bringing in some some high profile fans
to deliver the game ball and Matt Gregan might just
put his hand up and.

Speaker 4 (15:46):
Help out, you know whatever. I've got to know you're.

Speaker 3 (15:52):
Available, aren't you. Aren't you?

Speaker 7 (15:53):
Johnny? You over?

Speaker 6 (15:56):
Well he might be around to my Florida web, but
we're going from World champions to West Coast champions.

Speaker 2 (16:02):
Is what we do?

Speaker 4 (16:04):
What what what legends in their own lunchbox? Mate, that's.

Speaker 8 (16:11):
You can go into the Bears, That's what I heard.
There's a rumor going around.

Speaker 5 (16:17):
I don't know, I don't know where you're here in
these rumors, mate, but I don't think that's going to happen.
You should make if someone a contract, need to sign
a contract? Yeah, should we give a loyalty contract?

Speaker 3 (16:30):
We don't want to say. I think I think a.

Speaker 4 (16:33):
Few Dragons fans would be quite happy to be rid
of me.

Speaker 9 (16:38):
Don't You're round the contract in the Mad Dragons podcast
and we're not going to let you out of it?

Speaker 3 (16:42):
Yeah, infinite, infinite, no chance, it's your podcast.

Speaker 4 (16:49):
On the on the new ben Hunt. I've just got
to kick stones for a couple of years until the contract.

Speaker 9 (16:54):
If you leave, it's going to be in the hands
of me and Jesse.

Speaker 8 (17:00):
Think about that. Are you sure you want that?

Speaker 4 (17:11):
Nobody? Nobody wants that.

Speaker 11 (17:13):
No, No, we don't want that, do we?

Speaker 7 (17:15):
Has Men.

Speaker 8 (17:17):
Bloody wanted?

Speaker 5 (17:23):
Well, let's get into the actual game itself. The first
half has Men felt like a felt a bit like
ground all day. The Warriors forwards. It's easily able to
march up field. We kept making mistakes, had no ball,
no territory, and metcalf was was putting little stamps of

(17:43):
his class on the game as we fell behind fourteen
mil circling back to lucian Lua.

Speaker 4 (17:49):
The first try to the Warriors.

Speaker 5 (17:50):
Was Lalua making a mistake and then turning the shoulders
in to give Metcalf's base.

Speaker 4 (17:55):
To score that.

Speaker 5 (17:56):
Should we continue to put up with the rocks and
diamonds for performances of Luciano or is it time to
look at some of our other options and sending back
to reserve grade?

Speaker 9 (18:08):
Well, I mean, if we're not prepared to puck up
with rocks and diamonds, we'd have to we'd have to
sack half the bloody team.

Speaker 4 (18:17):
Should we sack half the bloody team?

Speaker 9 (18:18):
Then, well, we're there to do because we're just we're
seeing the same ship week in week out. You know,
sometimes it's just the names that change that you know,
making these sort of errors and doing this stupid ship
the way that you know Leila were dead. I mean,

(18:42):
what's I know it's not going to happen. But you
know what about you know, dropping Flannagan and bring bringing
in Glover?

Speaker 4 (18:52):
Yeah, well, I mean that's that's a completely different question.

Speaker 3 (18:55):
That's later on.

Speaker 8 (18:56):
We do have that money in there.

Speaker 5 (18:57):
But an example, did exactly Guffo had had the same
amount of errors as as Luciano?

Speaker 8 (19:11):
Clamor answer me that, Yeah.

Speaker 5 (19:18):
Well, reasonable, it's a reasonable question, But who do you
bring in for clamor, Like, we've already brought up all
the young front rollers. We've got, We've got Blake Glorie,
We've got harmats Sala, We've got Michael Molo.

Speaker 4 (19:29):
They're the only other options left made, Like who are
we bringing up to replace Klama with? Who were replacing him?

Speaker 3 (19:34):
How did how my stell I go today?

Speaker 5 (19:37):
He went donning second game backs month away from even
being considered.

Speaker 4 (19:43):
But he went.

Speaker 3 (19:44):
He went pretty well.

Speaker 6 (19:46):
That he's another fringe first grader anyway, he's not a yeah,
you know what I mean, Like this is a public
we just don't have the stock coming through. Like we've
got young guys, but they're they're green. You know, they're
going to take a while to develop. And then you've
got guys like harm that should have all the experience
under the world and the solid first grade choice.

Speaker 8 (20:03):
But he's a fringe first grader.

Speaker 3 (20:05):
So I don't really have a lot of Do you
think Fannigan should just bite the book and bring all
the young blacks up like Cambra did last year and
look at them go this year?

Speaker 8 (20:16):
I don't think.

Speaker 4 (20:16):
I don't think the Tigers.

Speaker 3 (20:19):
Just a question the Tigers. The thing I think they
got pumped tonight, didn't They absolutely did it on his own.

Speaker 8 (20:30):
Yeah wow, those are those muppets sands to me that yeah,
funny game.

Speaker 5 (20:42):
We beat the Melbourne Storm and lost with the Tigers.
That that's rugby leaving twenty five for you, Ian Johnson.
Since give Halen gar who will run Jesse or No?
This is this is something that you've you've said you'd
like to see as well.

Speaker 11 (20:56):
Yeah, I mean why not older forwards?

Speaker 2 (21:00):
I haven't done enough to warrant to keep their spots
in the side, So why not try a new blood?
As Big T said, look at the Raiders like they've
got a young back line there and some exciting players
coming through.

Speaker 7 (21:12):
We have the same one.

Speaker 2 (21:13):
Not give them experience so they'll be better for the
run in the coming years, because it's really an uphill
battle now to play semi finals. But I think give
some more young players first grade because some because the
more experienced players and the guys we have brought in
just haven't been good enough.

Speaker 8 (21:35):
We should say that I know who Donnie Tippen for
a Luciano replacement.

Speaker 4 (21:41):
Well, that's exactly what I was just about to say.
You can steal my thunder, you can give it. You
get him to the Greek ship. Nis Is probably the
next is a good footballer, you know, he's.

Speaker 8 (22:10):
Got that mungoling him that I really like.

Speaker 6 (22:13):
He's a workhorse sort of players, so you probably get
a lot more consistency out of him than you would
like out of Luciano. But is going to create those
sort of crazy, you know, out there opportunities that that
Granis might not.

Speaker 8 (22:26):
But that He's is a workhorse, that's for sure. He's
a really good young footballer.

Speaker 4 (22:32):
Yeah, it was good again. He was the best on
the bill for me today in New South World Cup.
I had another sensational game.

Speaker 5 (22:39):
And I think him him on the bench gives his
options because he's a guy that can play in the middle,
play played under nine a state of origin as a
front roller off the bench for New South Wales, so
he can played middle. He's normally a second roller edged Ford,
the same as Luciano, and he's been playing in the
center for the last few weeks. So he's a guy

(23:01):
that is going to cover the outside backs a little
bit better than Damien Cook does. So I think he
gives that versatility in a few different options. So I
think he'd be a good one worth considering. I don't
know that i'd necessarily be dropping Lucianola. I think coming
off the bench, he can come on and have an impact.
He can change the course of a game when he

(23:22):
is on. He's a very creative player. And I actually
had him in my three to two ones last week,
just not this week. I thought he had an ordinary
game this week, but.

Speaker 4 (23:32):
It just didn't come off for him.

Speaker 5 (23:37):
He should keep his spot for now, but I think
Nick sagranas Jacob Allngar, who we've got a few options there,
some guys that have got him under a little bit
of pressure. Eligible for NROL, Yes he is. He's got
the same contract that like I'm king Tommy you does.
So yeah, he's eligible for NROL, and pretty much everyone
is because it's after round eleven now, so all the

(23:59):
train and prole players are now available as well, so
there's any pretty much anybody that pulls on a dragon's
jersey in lower grades is now eligible to play in
a role.

Speaker 4 (24:09):
So that's the same reason why we were able to.

Speaker 5 (24:11):
Talk about Jacob hallen Garh, who doesn't have a development contract.

Speaker 4 (24:15):
He's got a train and trol contract, but from round
eleven he is also a possibility to be picked. Under
my understanding of the rules.

Speaker 5 (24:26):
He got ten in the mid today, says he and Johnson,
Yes he did it. That was a bullshit corps. I
don't know if you watched the man, but it was
right right towards the end that the new Chown king
it was.

Speaker 4 (24:38):
It was was shouldered and shoulder. They were running towards
the ball and and.

Speaker 5 (24:42):
The other guy fell over and Sigran has got putting
the s Indian for a professional foul.

Speaker 4 (24:46):
It was absolute bullshit call. But he deserved an early
shower anyway, he'd had a blinder. All right, where are
we up to?

Speaker 3 (24:58):
Who are we up to?

Speaker 4 (25:00):
We'll go to big t back to the top of
the left.

Speaker 5 (25:03):
The second Warriors try was a little kick that Sloan
came forward to and he lost the aerial battle.

Speaker 4 (25:11):
But I want to talk.

Speaker 5 (25:13):
About Moses Sooley's play. He didn't effectively block for Sloan,
which meant that he lost the aerial battle, and then
did not react at all as the ball.

Speaker 4 (25:23):
Went backwards, got the tour pickie for the try.

Speaker 5 (25:26):
Sully seems to score or set up price so infrequently
for a centurd. Do we need to look at it
at a different role for Suley and is there other
options for us in it could do a better job.

Speaker 3 (25:40):
Oh, he was just standing there like like a statue,
looking up at the ball when he's back to the attack.
Were just standing there and they get the ball, they
passed out and he goes oh, and then goes out
and tries to make the tackle. He wasn't even in
the game. He wasn't in the same field. That's what
he was. But yeah, if we've got someone else to

(26:02):
bring in, I think Seldon needs a rest. I think,
yeah he needs to go come back and play Reggies.
But yeah, he he just did. He just wasn't there
was he.

Speaker 4 (26:15):
No, No, it was It was just a complete I
don't know what he was doing. I don't know what
he was. Yeah, he just sort of stood there and
he was a he was a spectator.

Speaker 3 (26:26):
If he had pockets, he hadn't handled him, his hands
would be in his pockets.

Speaker 8 (26:33):
Horrible he comes in from at this point though, very good.

Speaker 2 (26:40):
Accellent.

Speaker 4 (26:40):
We Yeah, well, Jesse, you mentioned Nathan Lawson is the
option for him. He's been playing on the wing.

Speaker 5 (26:49):
He's played a couple of games in the centers, But
do you think Nathan Lawson would be the best option
to replace him in the centers or again, you're looking
at someone like like Nick Segranas who played in the
centers today, Hayden Buchan, either of those guys an option.

Speaker 2 (27:05):
Probably Nathan Loss is probably the next in the pecking order,
but we've got there. We're getting hit hard with in
the back with in the back with in terms of injuries,
like we don't have Christian Tape Lotter, we don't have
Matt Feeney and he said fin went down today. So
Nathan Loss is probably the next off the list.

Speaker 8 (27:23):
But it's probably next by default. We know who the
hell else is there?

Speaker 2 (27:28):
Yep, Tyroslo didn't looked good as well.

Speaker 3 (27:31):
Last what about moving Allen into the censers and Watson
them the wing out there, just to give them some experience.

Speaker 8 (27:40):
We might might have to Yeah, what do we look at?

Speaker 3 (27:44):
We have got depth there, We have got some sort
of depth are the first graders?

Speaker 4 (27:52):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (27:53):
Well, again, there's there's generally only one way to find
that out exactly right. You could watch with much news
up wells Cup as you want, but yeah, when you're
watching New South Wild Cup and our front rowers, our
middles are absolutely dominating the team that's coming third in
the New Town of Jets.

Speaker 4 (28:12):
And you look at who those middles are, and it's.

Speaker 5 (28:14):
Michael Molow and Harley Fellow and couple those guys. You're
dominating anything at the NR level. It's completely You're.

Speaker 3 (28:22):
Going to look at Billy Burns up until he's up
until his last game. Billy Burns, he could break break
first grade. But his last game today?

Speaker 11 (28:30):
What a game did you play Tony two trices?

Speaker 3 (28:33):
Didn't he have a good game? They had a good game.

Speaker 4 (28:37):
Commentators gaming three Triasis So I don't know. I had
to check the stats.

Speaker 11 (28:41):
I said, up, says two, So.

Speaker 4 (28:48):
Yeah crap, Yeah, yeah, he had a good game.

Speaker 1 (29:01):
With you.

Speaker 4 (29:03):
I told you.

Speaker 3 (29:04):
I told you you'd be like Menzies one day.

Speaker 4 (29:06):
Looking today, remember dropping dropping.

Speaker 5 (29:13):
A ball as well, And that's the only thing Dragons
fans would remember if you would wearing a red and white,
that's it, okay, be just before halftime, Vale Homes runs
a good line to get interest from Cape Well and
d w Z before popping it to Gato. Given we've

(29:34):
been pretty well dominated, did you get any confidence from
the margin being only ten points? At the break, yes,
and no, Like I think that was a it was
a bit of a nothing try, you know, like it
was sort.

Speaker 6 (29:46):
Of like we were definitely getting dominated that It was
just there's just way too many areas in our.

Speaker 8 (29:53):
Game and too much stuff that didn't come off.

Speaker 6 (29:55):
Like I don't really think we look confident at all
in that game, Like we were talking earlier, I don't
think that the Warriors played that well.

Speaker 8 (30:02):
Like, I think we just played absolutely rubbish.

Speaker 6 (30:06):
So yeah, it didn't really give me a lot of confidence.
I definitely got more confidence in the second half that
we were going to sort of run him down and
get it back, but too many stupid last hackle options
and silly decisions from keep amakers and we just couldn't
ice it, you know, which has been part of the
theme for the be honest.

Speaker 4 (30:24):
But yeah, it was good to try, But I don't know,
like it's it's hard.

Speaker 6 (30:28):
You know, we're not really giving value in the easy
kicks either. You know, everyone's sort of ripping up Vale
that he's the reason that we lost the game. You know,
two points obviously would have made a massive difference, but
we're not giving him any easy kicks either, So it's
sort of.

Speaker 8 (30:40):
Yeah, I think I probably could have run that ball in.
It was keecking fucking eighty percent last year.

Speaker 9 (30:46):
And you know now he's I think he's below below sixty,
maybe even below fifty.

Speaker 8 (30:51):
Yeah, the red field, bloody field goal that he missed.
You all the time in the fucking world. I don't
know how he missed that, Like he can slot a
field goal that day.

Speaker 5 (31:05):
Like I think what the red veg does is it
seems to suck all your confidence away because he just
doesn't look.

Speaker 4 (31:11):
Confident when he gets the ball.

Speaker 5 (31:13):
Well, but when when he well, it's not not the talent,
because he's still got the talent that doesn't disappear, but
he got the ball and straight away he just didn't
look like he wanted to kick it.

Speaker 4 (31:24):
He he's unsure of himself. He's second getting himself.

Speaker 5 (31:28):
And I see that with so many of our players
that they're they're just not They don't have the confidence
in themselves to.

Speaker 4 (31:34):
Be able to take the game, to take the game
on and play the way that they know they can.
But again, maybe maybe that comes back to the coach again, Benny.

Speaker 8 (31:44):
That and you can see they don't have confidence in
the players inside and outside them.

Speaker 3 (31:48):
As well.

Speaker 6 (31:48):
And that's why a lot of those those lapses in defense,
like you were talking about, you know, and like and
having to sort of cover him and you know what
I mean, Like you see it all the time, and
and we're so soft in the middle where we shouldn't be.
That's because the players have got no confidence in the
blokes next to him to make the tackle. So there's miscommunication,
like the miscommunication between Corey Allen and Gutho when Corey

(32:10):
dropped that kick that was Gutho's ball, and then last
minute Gutho pulls out and Corey's got to run thirty
meters to try and catch a bloody thing on a lean,
you know, and he drops it and needs the worst
boke in the world.

Speaker 8 (32:20):
But you know, where's Gutho standing up at that moment
saying that's my ball?

Speaker 5 (32:23):
You know, Just these things that the players that was
the same, That was the same last week with that
that little kick that went through, and guthold have stood
there and Sloans stood there and no one wanted to
take the fucking ball.

Speaker 8 (32:35):
Yeah, exactly exactly.

Speaker 4 (32:36):
And that's so that's what I'm saying.

Speaker 6 (32:37):
They've got no confidence in their outside players or the
players around them, And is that coaching?

Speaker 8 (32:43):
Is that culture? Is that it's something to do with
the playing group itself. I don't know, what do you?
What are your boys think?

Speaker 5 (32:53):
We've got an interesting comment from with everything NRLL just
trolling the panel. I think Ben Hunt would have liked that.
I don't know whether you watched Ben Hunts fucking seven
years at the club.

Speaker 4 (33:03):
He barely ever iced ship.

Speaker 5 (33:07):
Like the amount of close games we lost when Ben
Hunt was at the club is higher than what it
has been.

Speaker 4 (33:13):
So far this year.

Speaker 5 (33:14):
Like, he was not a guy that iceed big moments.
He was a flat track bully that played well when
things were going well.

Speaker 4 (33:23):
So fuck Ben Honey.

Speaker 8 (33:29):
He could not ice a bourbon and cope that guy.

Speaker 4 (33:36):
Yeah, all right, we're am.

Speaker 3 (33:39):
Up to her.

Speaker 5 (33:40):
Here we go, we go, Jesse looked, we looked a
different team in the second half. Suddenly they were playing
with energy, we found line speeds and here we go again.

Speaker 4 (33:53):
Give me any context around.

Speaker 2 (33:55):
That at all?

Speaker 11 (33:56):
Just later, just a bit, just a little bit random.

Speaker 4 (34:03):
This is going to be be great for the podcast
where there's no vision.

Speaker 5 (34:06):
But don I have to tell anybody's listening on the
podcast to come and check us out.

Speaker 4 (34:12):
On YouTube and Facebook, and so you know what the
cluck we're laughing about.

Speaker 5 (34:21):
In any case, Jeffy looked like a different team in
the second half, and suddenly we were playing with energy.

Speaker 4 (34:27):
We had line speed we haven't seen from the team
all year. It looked like they wanted to win.

Speaker 5 (34:32):
Why do you think it took until the halftime speech
for the team to look interested?

Speaker 11 (34:39):
Honestly, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (34:40):
Flannagan must have fight a rocket up them a halftime
because the way the things proceedings work home, if the
Warriors continued the way they were, they would have blown.

Speaker 11 (34:50):
Us off the park.

Speaker 2 (34:50):
But good that it's probably one of our better performances
all year in the second half, like probably arguably our best.
But yeah, they looked really motivated and looked really good
to go, and yeah, they really sort of nearly won
the game in the end. Just a couple of teay
moments let them down, as we already touched on. But yeah,

(35:16):
getting players like Jacob Littellon and Loco tom A really
changed the game and we were starting to get on
the front foot and the yeah we get where we're
calling calling our way back into the game as well,
getting players like as I said, little Loco one. We've
got Dylan Egan into the game as well, which injected
some energy and enthusiasm into the site.

Speaker 4 (35:38):
Yeah, no, it's a it's a good point your raised.

Speaker 5 (35:40):
I think there was quite a few of those players
that came on and I thought that the period of
time that we dominated that the Warriors, we're actually right
on top, was that period of time that that Locko
Tonga was on the field. Now, I'm not saying it
was all because of him, but it's it's just it
seemed quite a kind of coincidental that during that period

(36:01):
of the game was when we actually started to get
on top of them and dominate them physically, got right
up in their face, and there was that additional energy
that came came into the game and we went really well.
Man of the match got the next dry with Dylan
Egan running off a beautiful little shortball for Debellum and

(36:23):
it all opened up pretty easily for us.

Speaker 4 (36:26):
What did you think of that Eagle's performance overall?

Speaker 9 (36:31):
But I think he's got a spot for as long
as he as long as he wants it starting spot.
I would actually both start him every week.

Speaker 3 (36:41):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (36:41):
I love what I'm saying from the eagle, Yeah he's
I think he's Jackson fourteen point zero except better.

Speaker 2 (36:57):
How funny you say that, has Man, did you know
how miss Steward and Jackson for cousins that the game
last night?

Speaker 3 (37:03):
I said that last week. I said that when we're
doing Hamis Stewart, what we're talking about was going to
he's going to play this year. I said that back then. Mate,
I'm miles ahead of them. I'm pretty a sleep. You're
you're You're very good.

Speaker 7 (37:20):
That's not hard, better than.

Speaker 4 (37:25):
Brag, a brag or.

Speaker 5 (37:27):
Dis I think what Benny's got to say, it's also
very important.

Speaker 8 (37:33):
So Benny, I was just saying everybody's cousins and ying.

Speaker 3 (37:41):
It's probably around the sims too.

Speaker 5 (37:50):
Got drowned out by everybody else talking over the top
of your ben and so I was like, no, we've
we've got to hear that.

Speaker 4 (37:55):
That's good, that's good, all right.

Speaker 3 (38:03):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (38:04):
In terms of Dylan Egan, I again I agree with
with Hasman and everybody else.

Speaker 4 (38:08):
I think that he did.

Speaker 5 (38:11):
I think what James Flanagan is doing, and I know
everybody's really impatient and they want to get all these
young kids.

Speaker 4 (38:17):
You throw them all in now if you just track
them all in and see what happens.

Speaker 5 (38:20):
But I think what Shane Flanagan does is he holds
them back until they're ready. Because we could have done
that with Dylan Egan last year. We could have chucked
him into first grade. He wasn't ready. He needed twelve
months in reserve grade. He played every game in the
reserve grade comp He was the leading tackle for the
entire New South Wales Cup competition.

Speaker 4 (38:37):
He went really well, but he needed that time to develop.

Speaker 5 (38:40):
And when he came into the top grade side, he
came in when he was ready and the coach, the
coach and the coaching staff, they knew that he was
ready to go into the top grade.

Speaker 4 (38:50):
And he's come in and he's done a good job
from the get go.

Speaker 5 (38:53):
And we've seen it with others well, we've seen it
with other Dragons coaches. So we'll truck in the gym
is before there already. You look back to when Tyrol
Sloan first came into the side, or Junior or money
Jaden Sullivan. Even when they came into the side, they
look like deer is deers in headlights, like they really
really struggled and set their development back because I don't

(39:16):
think tyranl Sloan's got anywhere near what his potential was
because he was thrown in too early and.

Speaker 2 (39:25):
They didn't get because that was a COVID year. They
had no reserve grade in those years.

Speaker 8 (39:29):
Yeah, that's it. He's a footy pretty much.

Speaker 7 (39:33):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (39:34):
Yeah, So I think Shane planning it.

Speaker 5 (39:37):
As impatient as we are and as much as we
want to see more of the young kids because they're
all doing so well, I think you've got to leave
it up to it to a coach that sees the
day in, day out to determine when it is that
they're ready, and you know, when they do come in,
you know, I think it's better to put him in
a little bit late than a little bit early.

Speaker 4 (39:56):
Yeah, because you put him in a bit early, it can.

Speaker 3 (40:00):
Really destroy him.

Speaker 6 (40:02):
They're all famous conference, you know, Hamish the Eagle like, yeah,
like he didn't.

Speaker 8 (40:08):
Take a backward step at all. He was But how
was that hit from Megan on? Was it zelesnip when
he made that breakdown the side?

Speaker 2 (40:16):
Oh?

Speaker 7 (40:17):
He was an amazing tackle that hit.

Speaker 6 (40:19):
But that's that's the sort of confidence that he has.
You know, they just whack him and yeah, you know,
like Sloan would have made that battle.

Speaker 5 (40:27):
But that that's that's sort of the stuff that I
think that I love about Dylan Egan. It's the fact
that he was the one that's chasing t w said
like he's a he's a winger flying down the sideline,
and whenever a team makes a break, you see, Dylan
Egan is the one that's putting in one hundred and
ten percent to try and run him down. He doesn't
always get him like he did on that occasion, but

(40:48):
that's those little one percentage that he does do all
of them to to you know, one hundred and twenty percent.
He gives everything he's.

Speaker 4 (40:57):
Got to give.

Speaker 2 (40:58):
That's what you want to see.

Speaker 6 (41:02):
We need our senior players to stand up and have
that enthusiasm and confidence and.

Speaker 11 (41:06):
Show that leadership.

Speaker 4 (41:08):
Yeah yeah, all right, big team.

Speaker 5 (41:13):
I think I think like I'm Kingtoggy, He's going only fairly,
but but there are signs of his class and the
try to level the game was a sign of this class.
And he does deep into the line, dropped a neat,
little short kick through for Cory Allen, whose hands led
him down a few times, but they were sensational on

(41:34):
this occasion.

Speaker 4 (41:35):
And do you think l KT has secured.

Speaker 5 (41:37):
His spot in the halves in the last War nine
or does he need to have more involvement.

Speaker 3 (41:43):
I think he needs more involvement. But that try it
went from along board from Jack de Bellen at Carl
Flanagan who passed it off to like in Kingtongya, he
put that little dab in and Alan's hands were good enough,
even though he made three mistakes in the game, but
we good enough to pick out and score the try. Yeah,
he does. He does need more involvement just to just

(42:06):
to bring his skills out. He's going to build colorful confidence.
Maybe that might have built a bit of bit of confidence.
That little little dinky kick build some confidence. He's got
to build confidence. That's what he's gonna do. So he's
going to get his head on a law mm hmm.

Speaker 4 (42:20):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (42:20):
I think like I've watched what like I'm King Toggy,
you come up through through the grains, and.

Speaker 4 (42:25):
I've watched a fair bit of him.

Speaker 5 (42:27):
That's one of the way that he plays is he
does play that second fiddle role really well. Where there's
a there's a dominant half like a cave read next
to him, and and the half back is and even
in reserve greade it was Joani Glover was that the
dominant half that controlled everything, and he could have played
that second fiddle role.

Speaker 4 (42:47):
But what he does is so silky smooth.

Speaker 5 (42:50):
He does that the bit where he digs into the
line where he can can run past and kick. He's
got all of those skills, he's got all of those elements,
and he's he injects himself into the game really well.

Speaker 4 (43:03):
And that's I think that's just the style of player
that he is. He's a genuine six.

Speaker 5 (43:08):
He's an old fashioned five to eight despite the fact
he's wearing the seven on his back.

Speaker 4 (43:14):
That's just the way that he way that he plays.
And yeah, yeah, and and I think that's a very
good point, Benning.

Speaker 5 (43:24):
I think he's going to be if he does ever
get the opportunity of the Dragons to play with a
with a quality number seven, we're going to see him
shine even more.

Speaker 4 (43:34):
But at the moment we don't have.

Speaker 5 (43:35):
That, and we're still seeing glimpses of it in the
two games that he's played so far this year.

Speaker 1 (43:40):
M hmm.

Speaker 8 (43:41):
That's great.

Speaker 3 (43:43):
Is less has not gone too bad?

Speaker 4 (43:45):
Regies.

Speaker 1 (43:46):
Is he.

Speaker 3 (43:47):
Illious illius. He's picked up two games. The two games
he's been down there, they had one big.

Speaker 4 (43:53):
Yeah, he had a shocking second half today.

Speaker 5 (43:57):
He was.

Speaker 4 (43:59):
In the second and half, came up with a couple
of errors and a couple.

Speaker 5 (44:02):
Of forward passers and did a few things that had
me shaking my head. But both both the hearts were
only average. I thought in the first game, Ilius was
slightly better than Glover. In this game, I thought Glover
was a fair bit better than than Ilius.

Speaker 4 (44:19):
But yeah, again, we'll talk a.

Speaker 5 (44:23):
Bit more about the halves in a minute, because we've
got to what I've I've labeled an honesty session about the.

Speaker 4 (44:29):
Halves a little bit later on, so we'll we'll get
everybody to buy it up for that.

Speaker 5 (44:33):
Benny, Let's let let's let's keep it a little bit
positive rather than talking about the halves. We've talked a
little bit about him already. Locko Thong has taboo. We
talked about the lead up the week leading up to it.
But talk us through his performance.

Speaker 4 (44:48):
How do you think he went?

Speaker 6 (44:49):
I think he went really well. I think he definitely
did his job, probably over and above. You know, you
look at him in comparisons. I know that as men
Or made the comparison to Clamor, you know, and how
much more work luck I did, you know. Like, but
I think that that's what we want out of someone
like Lock. You know, we wanted to to just get

(45:11):
out there work his ass off. Yeah, Like he's he's
still young, He's still got so much to learn. So
I think he'll take a lot of confidence out of
his performance. And I'm sure flann Again and the other
coaching staff will will give him big raps on on
what he did. Obviously, he got thrown in early due
to the injury to couchment. I think he handled really well,
you know, like flood Again obviously has most most coaches

(45:34):
have a plan of when they're going to make any changes,
so you know, like I probably wasn't prepared to go
on as early as he did. He sort of got
thrown in there, so yeah, I could on him. He
stepped up, and he's a beast. He's a beast of
a player. What I really liked about him was his intensity.
You know, like even when he was in a market,
he's market work and he was chasing hard. He was

(45:56):
really active in market. He was really active off the ball.
He just did everything that he no errors. He was
putting himself in good opportunities and positions to take hit
ups and do work. So yeah, he didn't go missing
at all. So I think it was a really good
performance caen to see more of him.

Speaker 4 (46:16):
Yeah, I thought it was sensationally did his job.

Speaker 5 (46:20):
I've said all week to not expect too much from him,
and I think there's always a danger when you've got
a player like like Loco who's been He's been built up,
so there's been a lot of fans talking about him
since November last year, even further back than that.

Speaker 4 (46:37):
He's got a lot of press.

Speaker 5 (46:39):
He's a big guy, and sometimes when a big guy
comes in for his taboo, there's just outranges expectations, and
I think we needed to temper them a little bit.
I said, if he comes in he makes place twenty minutes,
has five or six runs for sixty sixty five meters,
makes ten to fifteen tackles without mistackle, without an error,

(47:01):
then that'll be a really good performance. He basically doubled
all those figures, all those figures that I said that
I was going to be happy with.

Speaker 4 (47:11):
He doubled them, so ten minutes more. So, Yeah, he
worked really hard.

Speaker 2 (47:17):
You should have heard the crowd reaction when they announced
his name in the team lineup and when he got
on there, the crowd were absolutely erupted.

Speaker 11 (47:25):
It was good to see.

Speaker 4 (47:26):
They should have rupted more because all I heard was
Warrior's chance in the crowd.

Speaker 2 (47:30):
It was pretty bad, yes that they were not far
from me.

Speaker 3 (47:33):
That's all I heard on the radio, on the TV, sorry,
on the TV was Warrior's chance and we've.

Speaker 5 (47:40):
Got we've got got a If you were quicking about
that a little bit later on Big T and we
might talk to Jesse and Benny who were wrapped the
game and we get to that bit. But yeah, a
lot more people that are starting to come around to
where I was at the start of the season, and
that is that Jacob Little should be our starting number nine.

(48:03):
Do you think it's time for Cook to step back
into a lesser role to allow Little bigger minutes.

Speaker 2 (48:09):
Yes, I one hundred percent agree. Yeah, Cook is probably
past his best now. We didn't really need another Jacob
Little was probably in the top five or six hookers
in the game last year the way he played, and yeah,
he really sparked us when he comes last night, and
he's been doing it every time he's come off the

(48:31):
bench for ninety percent of the time this year, and
he's very crafty. Cook doesn't have that anymore. He's lost
that speed, I think, and Little was very creative and
he was a real reason we got back into the game.
So yeah, I think I had Jacob Little as my
starting Cooker before the before ball was kicked this year,
and I still stick by that. We don't want to

(48:53):
lose a player like Jacob Little. I mean, if if
Damie Cook still stays as the nine, potentially in the
next couple of years while he has a contract, it
could potentially force a Little out.

Speaker 11 (49:02):
Of the door, and we don't want that.

Speaker 7 (49:04):
And I do.

Speaker 11 (49:06):
I do like Jacob very very under added player.

Speaker 12 (49:10):
Yeah, now coming from from Garry, who's doing that, big
big team's doing that.

Speaker 4 (49:24):
I'm sorry, I'm.

Speaker 3 (49:25):
Sorry, No where where? What are you?

Speaker 7 (49:38):
Little Little?

Speaker 4 (49:42):
There's a comment on the screen from Gary McGregor has
been about Cook to Lock. I mean Cook Cook has
been playing a bit of Lock.

Speaker 5 (49:51):
He's been you know, it starts at nine, Little comes on,
Cook comes back on as a lock later on in
the game. Generally speaking, do you think Cook to Locke
is a fair shout from from Gary McGregor, or do
you think that that's not something that's working.

Speaker 4 (50:05):
At the month.

Speaker 9 (50:08):
I probably wouldn't, but it wouldn't happen it, Like, I
quite have him as a as a fourteen, if if
i'd have him there at all. The problem is that
a little we've seen Little play eighty minutes before and
it has sort of blunted.

Speaker 8 (50:23):
He is effective for a bit, So I think we
do need to do need a.

Speaker 9 (50:29):
Fourteen, which I think Cook should probably fill that role.
But no, I don't see him as a lot at all.

Speaker 3 (50:39):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (50:39):
Yeah, I think it's something that we've been doing already
and I don't think it's worked. I think Cook has
been coming on and playing a lot, playing at that ball,
playing lock, and I.

Speaker 4 (50:50):
Don't think it's been very effective at all. I don't
think it has helped.

Speaker 8 (50:54):
I don't think Cook's been effective period.

Speaker 4 (50:58):
He has moments, but it's it's sporadic, it's few and
far between. His running game isn't quite what it used
to be.

Speaker 8 (51:06):
Moments.

Speaker 4 (51:08):
Yeah, that's that's a fair point. That's a fair point.

Speaker 11 (51:10):
I think we're seeing why Bennett moved him on.

Speaker 5 (51:13):
M and and and screw you has men for having
a good point, because I don't like agreeing with you.
All right, big team, I don't don't know whether I
want to involve you with it. It's hard to know

(51:36):
exactly where to place this in the chat, but we've
kind of mentioned it a couple of times about Vale Holmes.

Speaker 4 (51:41):
I think we have to at some point. I noted Sharpshooter.

Speaker 5 (51:46):
But but again, we have a game where we score
more tribes than our opposition but lose the game.

Speaker 4 (51:51):
Is it is it unreasonable for fans.

Speaker 5 (51:54):
To have expected Vow to kick at least one of
those sideline conversions.

Speaker 3 (51:58):
Well, the one where Eagan's scored the Egans t though
he missed the second one of the second one he
missed anyway, one of those one of those kisses, one
of those strategy score was in a fairly easy position,
and he's pushed the ball, He's pook the ball around
the left hand post. And yeah, look, we've we've had
so many close games this year, three three games by

(52:20):
one point, one game or six points. But we're talking
about it later, I'm sure, But yeah, this happening needs
to be done. Yeah, Training, coaching, bring Graham Island again.

Speaker 4 (52:34):
I don't know whether it's a competencing or what the
what the deal was it?

Speaker 3 (52:37):
From listening to the.

Speaker 4 (52:40):
The commentatorship, wasn't what a breeze there there yesterday?

Speaker 3 (52:43):
Was his legs set right?

Speaker 2 (52:48):
No, no.

Speaker 6 (52:51):
Breeze not not not strong brees anyway. I don't know
why he's missing that sock was blowing a fair bit.

Speaker 5 (52:58):
No.

Speaker 6 (53:00):
Intersting like it was just there was a pretty solid
sort of mild breeze. Nothing that aer said kicker shouldn't
be able.

Speaker 7 (53:07):
To Yeah it was slowe he wins.

Speaker 8 (53:12):
No he should be And I think head it's a
confidence thing like we saw Lomax.

Speaker 6 (53:21):
Lomax was twenty two for twenty two in a row
or whatever it was, and then he missed, and then
I think he missed like for the next bloody six months.

Speaker 13 (53:30):
You know, like.

Speaker 6 (53:32):
Like it's a tough gig goal kicking. It really is
so much pressure riding on the players. But you know,
like that should be kicking better than is.

Speaker 11 (53:42):
Yeah, I scored like he didn't allow.

Speaker 3 (53:46):
He didn't.

Speaker 2 (53:47):
He just went straightforward. He didn't try and curve it
in like he didn't allow for anything.

Speaker 7 (53:53):
Like the curve.

Speaker 11 (53:54):
It was just it was just a shame.

Speaker 2 (53:55):
It was never looked like the one one he tried
to get the Guffer conversion just before halftime. But yeah,
it wasn't a good strike at all.

Speaker 4 (54:08):
Good to meet Chris Holmes's daughter was amused by a
limp sog, But it is I think we tie in
that field goal attempt there as well, Benny.

Speaker 5 (54:23):
He had all the time in the world and chafed it,
and I had another chance from outside forty where instead
he decided a should grubber straight to the field option.

Speaker 4 (54:33):
I mean, I don't know how many more ways we
can say it, but what is what is the issue?

Speaker 5 (54:40):
How do we fix our homes and and do we
need a second option as a field goal kicker?

Speaker 6 (54:46):
Well, yeah, this is the thing, Like he should be
nailing it, you know, like he's he going to do it,
He's done it before. He's got a really good record
for Sloat and those sort of opportunities. But like you said,
like he's at a confidence thing, you know, like he
even after he's tried that first field goal, just the
way he turned around and just sort of sauntered off

(55:06):
after it, like he just it was like he was
never going to go in, you know, like he wasn't
willing it to go in, Like like I think Reynolds
kicked one a couple of weeks back, and you know
he turned around and walked off before it even went through.

Speaker 4 (55:18):
Was that confident that he got it?

Speaker 8 (55:20):
I don't.

Speaker 6 (55:20):
I can't remember what it was. But anyway, but he's
just not he's not kicking with that confidence, you know,
like there was no pressure running out all the time
in the world to line it up. He was in
a great position and he just just just missed it.
He shouldn't be missing those sort of opportunities, like Max
would have nailed that kid.

Speaker 4 (55:40):
Yeah, Jared to Curry, he's got the got the solution
closer to the post.

Speaker 7 (55:50):
That's easier said than done, it, all right, get that.

Speaker 5 (56:03):
We talk about having all the time in the world
for his field goal attempts, but Metcalf also had no
pressure on his attempt. This isn't the first time we've
allowed a team to basically have field goal practice under
no pressure. To our detriment, isn't a complete lack of
match awareness?

Speaker 4 (56:22):
Is it fatigue? Is it something else?

Speaker 1 (56:24):
Why?

Speaker 4 (56:25):
Why no pressure?

Speaker 2 (56:27):
I don't know, we've seen it happening in two games
earlier this season as well. Metcalf just had all the
time in the world. I saw David had a run up,
but it was way too late. He had all the
time in the world. And at fourteen all the Dragon
should have been thinking, Oh, the Warriors will take a
field goal at some point soon. They should have been
preparing for that at fourteen or you should.

Speaker 8 (56:49):
Have known it was coming. Stevie Wonder could have seen
that was come.

Speaker 4 (56:52):
Yeah, and Stevie Wonder was in the bunker.

Speaker 11 (56:57):
Right, well, I think it was on the field.

Speaker 14 (57:07):
William Kennedy, Kennedy, mister Kennedy, Okay, all right, well has man.

Speaker 4 (57:21):
Something like I'll talk about every week is our completion rate.

Speaker 5 (57:25):
Once again, it's another game where we completed in the
mid seventy percent range. I think it was seventy three
percent of this game. Will the Warriors? The Warrior is
completed at ninety two percent. How can we expect to
win if we just keep making mistakes?

Speaker 8 (57:41):
And why isn't this improving? Well, god, why is it improving?
I'm not entirely sure.

Speaker 15 (57:53):
I'll be tempted to say it. So, Yeah, it's a
coaching thing. I mean, holding onto the ball is a
basic sort of thing of football. You learned that number
seven's how to how to fucking wrap the ball up
in attack and yeah, how to not sort of make

(58:18):
make the sort of I mean it's they're all basic errors,
so very basic, and we just we just keep bloody
doing it. Then the heads go down all of a sudden,
one error east to two, LISTA three, least to four open,
all of a sudden, we've had bloody three trials.

Speaker 8 (58:38):
Yeah, they need to get back to basics.

Speaker 4 (58:43):
Yeah, we certainly have a frustrating side to follow, that's
for sure.

Speaker 5 (58:47):
There's Chris Holmes and I think that that doesn't even
start to scratch the surface.

Speaker 8 (58:53):
That's putting it very very mildly.

Speaker 4 (58:57):
Yeah. The other sta big t is that I.

Speaker 5 (59:04):
I'm trying to get my head around how we improve
in this area is kick difusal.

Speaker 4 (59:09):
It's another one we strus in every week. There's only
one game.

Speaker 5 (59:12):
This year where our kick difusal has been better than
our opposition. There were some shocking moments in this game
from Corey Allen and Clint Gutthus in particular. Are other
teams just better at putting us under pressure with their
kicking games, or are our back three just not as
good as they need to be.

Speaker 3 (59:31):
If you notice, you have a look at the average
meters made per set, we're making forty eight to forty nine.
Other teams are making sixty to seventy meters from their
so they're kicking from much closer position than we do.
So if they're kicking from over the halfway on our
side of the halfway and they put the ball up high,

(59:52):
their players have got more chance to get in them
there than us kicking the ball from our forty to
the other end. They're putting the pressure because they're making
more meters per set than we are. If you haven't
going back and have a look at that, it's it's
a huge difference on the side of.

Speaker 4 (01:00:11):
About thirty seven to forty two meters percent or something.

Speaker 3 (01:00:15):
Yeah, but against against Manly, even though we won the game,
they made a whopping I think it was sixty five
meters per set and we still beat them. But anyway,
but yeah, I think they had or we had forty eight,
they had sixty seven or something. So we we've got

(01:00:38):
to do something about that as well.

Speaker 2 (01:00:41):
Yeah, well, funny you say that, Harris to me and Metcalf,
they're kicks last night, and they were just putting up
those spiraling bombs and they were just floating them in
the air.

Speaker 3 (01:00:49):
That were they're kicking them from Jess inside our half.

Speaker 2 (01:00:52):
Yeah, and they were, they were. They were both kicking
very well, and we had trouble with their kicks all night.

Speaker 3 (01:00:58):
We couldn't.

Speaker 11 (01:01:00):
Float them like they didn't.

Speaker 4 (01:01:03):
Our line speed has been rubbish too.

Speaker 6 (01:01:06):
We're not getting in their faces and put pressure on
the kicker, you know, like the kickers look at the
field goal all the time in the world to kip that.

Speaker 4 (01:01:14):
Are you allowed to put pressure on the kicker in
the modern game?

Speaker 2 (01:01:17):
Man?

Speaker 4 (01:01:17):
Every time you do, you seem to give away penalty.

Speaker 6 (01:01:19):
But you know what I thought last night, they probably
have at least three or four opportunities for chargedowns and
no one went fine like we had places like the
markers generally, you know, like there was a few opportunities
there where the markers spread it up. There was even
one of the commentary said, where Jack de Bellan chase
from I think it was from marker, He could have
actually tackled the guy before he kicked it. Yeah, Like

(01:01:42):
why we're not trying for a charge down or anything
like that scared scared because.

Speaker 11 (01:01:46):
There's no urgency or desperation.

Speaker 5 (01:01:48):
The referees and that the rules the NRL are scared
players out of it because everything they actually do that
they get pedal.

Speaker 8 (01:01:57):
Attack the legs of the quicker.

Speaker 5 (01:02:00):
No, but if you make if you make a tackle
on a player and he gets the ball to his boot,
even if you hit him as he kicks it, it.

Speaker 4 (01:02:07):
Needs to be a penalty. Yeah, yeah, it's a fucking lottery.

Speaker 3 (01:02:11):
But Jack Debellan, Jack Debellin could have hit the kicker
same as when arm and they think clear. He got
hit the other week right in between the kick, the
ball would have been in the air. You know, he
wouldn't have got back to his foot and they spashed
into the ground. Jack Debellan could have done that easy.

Speaker 8 (01:02:27):
So why are we're not trying? Why are we're not
trying charge down there?

Speaker 2 (01:02:32):
There's no urgency in our defense, no urgency, desperation. They
always wait for the other team to run to them.

Speaker 3 (01:02:36):
It's at all exactly.

Speaker 8 (01:02:39):
But on the flip side of that too, like Johnny
was saying, you know, are our back three that bad?

Speaker 6 (01:02:45):
On the flip side, we're also not chasing as hard
as you know, when we're putting attacking kicks through, we're
not chasing as hard like feel so many opportunities last
night where we put a kick through and they're back
three out all the time in the world to make
the catch under no pressure at all, and they're running
fifteenth many meters from a kick return because just because
the chase wasn't there. And again coming back to what
Big Team was saying, it's because we're not kicking.

Speaker 4 (01:03:07):
From an attacking position.

Speaker 6 (01:03:08):
We're not we're not attacking kicks through, so you know,
we're kicking field bombs with a shit chase and then
we're wondering why.

Speaker 8 (01:03:18):
They're making twenty or thirty meters more than us a set.
It's just simple football.

Speaker 5 (01:03:24):
Yeah yeah, absolutely, and very very very frustrating, and they
simple one pertends that we're just not getting right.

Speaker 4 (01:03:34):
I think there's a lower grade after all. The Mad
Dragon podcast, brought to.

Speaker 5 (01:03:38):
You by Complete Warehouse Solutions out New Southwest Cup team
continue to look like premiership contenders with jumping thirty four
to four and over the new Town Jets in the
regional Magic Round.

Speaker 4 (01:03:50):
The Jets were actually above us on the ladder.

Speaker 5 (01:03:52):
Heading into these contests, so it was a very impressive performance.
Nick Sagranas has been sensational for his last few weeks
in the centers. He gets mine Man of the Match.
I think Harley Felate did a good platform for the
team as well.

Speaker 4 (01:04:07):
Early well.

Speaker 5 (01:04:08):
Cody Ramsey was good again in an all round good
team performance in the Jersey fleeg now got the rare
honor the Jersey fleag side of playing before the NRL team.

Speaker 4 (01:04:18):
They don't get a chance to do that very often.

Speaker 5 (01:04:20):
They took on the Sharks and well, they had their
chances and fought back well at different stages. The Sharks
were a far bigger and more physical unit and went
we went down thirty to eighteen. Benny, you were at
the game, you saw a bit of this contest from
the Fleet side.

Speaker 4 (01:04:38):
What were your thoughts on that?

Speaker 6 (01:04:40):
I think they like, I think they were definitely in
the contest, but you know, obviously didn't come home with
the bickies. But yeah, I think there was some real
positive signs in that side. I think a lot of
our layer grades are pretty strong, you know, Like I
think the next sort of five ten years as Dragons fans,
we've got lots on the forwards. Whether the coaching staff

(01:05:01):
are going to develop all these players and Handbury are
we going to lose? But yeah, I think that the
lower grades are really great to watch. So if you
get a chance to get along to a game, definitely
go on support them. There's some good footing to be seen.
And yeah, it was it was great watching them before
the before the big boys, and like you said, they
don't get a chance to shine on that platform very often.

Speaker 2 (01:05:20):
So but it was.

Speaker 8 (01:05:21):
It was a good entertaining game. But yeah, unfortunately to win.

Speaker 5 (01:05:25):
Yeah, especially against the I don't know what Liken is
not that far some George, but they seem to be
something in the water. They've got a lot of big
boys in that side. Yeah, they just looked so much
bigger than us physically.

Speaker 6 (01:05:38):
So yeah, I know Cronella recruit a lot from the
Newcastle area. I remember because I grew up in the
Cronulla area, so and yeah, there's a lot of feeder
clubs up around the sort of Newcastle Maitland area that
they send a.

Speaker 8 (01:05:52):
Lot of players down Ton.

Speaker 6 (01:05:53):
They've got a real sort of relationship going, so yeah,
they get a lot of the big Islanders and and
that coming through their systems.

Speaker 8 (01:06:00):
And I know they recruit a bit from New Zealand
as well, but yeah, they're doing well.

Speaker 6 (01:06:05):
They've got a really good junior system in Cana, relatively
small area, they do do a good jobs.

Speaker 4 (01:06:12):
Yeah, all right, an rl W. They've been a signing
during the week. Jesse tell us about Nita Mayna.

Speaker 2 (01:06:21):
Yep, so, Nita Maynard. She actually retired at the end
of last year, but the Dragons have actually talked her
out of coming out of retirement and yeah, she's signed
a two year deal. Has played thirty five games, was
played in the inaugural season back in twenty eighteen with
the Roosters. Has played as a stints at the Eels

(01:06:42):
Broncos and played off the bench in the Knight's Premiership
winning twenty twenty three. Has played thirteen Tests in New
Zealand as well. So we'll bring a lot of experience
and depth to our number nine, to the.

Speaker 11 (01:06:54):
Hooking role as well.

Speaker 2 (01:06:56):
So that'll be It brings a lot of experience to
our team and some much neat experience as well with
our young side we did have last year, so and
that actually completes our squad for twenty twenty five.

Speaker 5 (01:07:06):
Well Tony Seicotta made the I think it was Tony
Sicochta made the comment with the need of maynards, signing
that it seems we sign old players past their best
in both NRL and NROLW. How would you respond to that?

Speaker 2 (01:07:22):
Well, so I saw your response to that too, like
we had a lot of a lot of juniors that
last year who weren't who are still finding their feet
in the top grade and they needed some more experience,
and I think they've brought that in this year, players
like Grace Hamilton. They've brought in Hannah Southwell, and now
I need a Maynard which is only going to mentor

(01:07:44):
these young girls and show them what it takes to
succeed in the in the top grade of ORLW.

Speaker 4 (01:07:51):
I think, all right, well, we'll move now into some
viewer questions.

Speaker 5 (01:07:55):
And one of the things that got requested during the week,
and I've mentioned it earlier in the show, it was
request from Terry Evans to have an honesty session about
our halves. I feel like we kind of do this
every week, but let's get into it with the wine
panel members.

Speaker 4 (01:08:12):
At what we'll start with you has mean we've.

Speaker 5 (01:08:15):
Not already heard your thoughts on our hearts in general,
What should our helves be, What changes should we be
looking to make.

Speaker 9 (01:08:26):
Look, it's become very obvious to me that Carl Flanagan
is not the answer. Bring brings someone else, whether it's
you know, Jonah Glover or whoever it is, I don't
really give a shit at this point. Flannagan needs to
go back to reserves. It's it's pretty much that simple.

(01:08:48):
His absolute fucking rubbish as a half. Flamers are fourteen
or don't blame at all. He failed his last two clubs. Yeah,
I am playing the halves now. Is completely beyond me.

Speaker 3 (01:09:07):
I thought I thought it hasn't been finished it. I
thought I thought these two were going to have a
standout yere. I thought out of the chadew of ben Hunt,
Carl Flag is going to shine. It is going to
come across from South and show South what they're missing

(01:09:28):
because he missed all of.

Speaker 4 (01:09:29):
Last year there so.

Speaker 3 (01:09:32):
They haven't done that, and Kingtong has come in and
done the similar, similar job to them.

Speaker 4 (01:09:39):
Maybe up towards.

Speaker 3 (01:09:41):
Carl more more more than it is. But we've got
to bring a dominant a dominant half to the club.
We've got to do something will to show money at
someone bring a dominant half.

Speaker 4 (01:09:54):
We don't have that option this year. So what what
what are we doing this year? Big too?

Speaker 3 (01:10:00):
You have to give Glover a run as the worst
as the Warriors. Warriors our commentator according give Glover run
Glover a run. Yeah, I don't know, mate. You can
bring Guffet from fullback, put him into five eighth maybe
one of those one of the other three and a half.

(01:10:21):
It's flowing back to fullback, and then we we're losing
another winger. Uh mate, We're going to troublesome time ahead.

Speaker 4 (01:10:28):
Yeah, Benny, do you have any solutions? Mate?

Speaker 6 (01:10:32):
I think I think we're stuck with the halves that
we've got at the moment. I think Licens jured the
seven spot seven slash six pots whatever he is. Yeah,
I can't see Ilia's getting back into first grade.

Speaker 3 (01:10:47):
I just.

Speaker 8 (01:10:49):
You know, people have been saying that he's been playing
really well.

Speaker 6 (01:10:51):
In reserve grade, but to me, that just highlights the
fact that he's on a first grade football or he's
not up the first grade standard. You know, like to
go down and have an absolute blinder and for first
grade in reserve grade, sorry, like you know, where's where's
that form?

Speaker 8 (01:11:04):
In first you know, a.

Speaker 6 (01:11:05):
Lot of people don't understand the step from Reggie's up
to first grade, and it's massive.

Speaker 8 (01:11:09):
It's so much faster and harder and more technical.

Speaker 6 (01:11:13):
And yeah, so there's just some players that can't make
that cut, you know, and I think unfortunate Eli this
is one of them. You know, he's time off his injury,
whether it's he just doesn't have the confidence or whatever
it is, or he's just too much in his own.

Speaker 8 (01:11:26):
Head and he's going to get hurt again. He's not
playing anywhere near the brand of football that we need.

Speaker 6 (01:11:31):
Flannagain, I'd like to see get dropped down to reserve
grade just to show that senior, if Flannel sen you
can do it, you know, I think it will probably
be a big wake up call to Kyle to get
dropped and send down to Reggies for a week or two.
And you know, the whole reason you send a player
from first grade down to Reggies is for them to

(01:11:52):
work on stuff. You know, that's that's a platform where
they can get back to basics and just just play
some simple football without the pressure of first grade.

Speaker 8 (01:12:01):
And I think Cole needs to do that. He needs
to go back to Reggie's and really.

Speaker 6 (01:12:06):
Get his game craft in order, because he hasn't been
delivering anything near what we need in first grade.

Speaker 8 (01:12:11):
And I think the coaches have got to take some
blame as well around our halves.

Speaker 6 (01:12:15):
You know, they're either not play into the strength of
our houves or they're trying to push them to do
things that they're not necessarily at the level of their game,
and it's just highlighting massive weaknesses for us.

Speaker 4 (01:12:28):
Not to mention.

Speaker 8 (01:12:29):
You know, like anyone who's played in the halves or.

Speaker 6 (01:12:31):
I've been around forty any sort of particular length of
time knows that you've got to have the fawds to
set the platform for the halves to work. And yeah,
I think we're getting better in that regard, you know,
with guys like Hamish and the Eagle and like Oh
and those sort of guys coming through and develops an
absolute work or so. I think that the bones are
there and it's just going to take time to develop.
But I can't see us making any major changes in

(01:12:53):
the halves. I don't think Love coming in is really
going to be at the band aid that we need.
I think Kyle needs to work on his game, you know.
I think he needs to work out what his role is,
and I don't think it's the football that he's playing
at the moment. Like I think like he has that
brilliance that can break a game open and create opportunities,

(01:13:14):
but he's got to have the support from Kyle and
the opportunities for Kyle to do it. So that's going
to take time to work out. But yeah, I don't
see us making any major changes at all this year.
I think we're just going to have to grind it out.
But I hope that Kyle can can work on his
game a bit because we definitely need it.

Speaker 5 (01:13:35):
Yeah, Jeffie, we talked about, you know what what the
goings for this year, what we're going to do for
this year. But well, John John Muller asked the question,
will Atkinson be the answer?

Speaker 4 (01:13:47):
Will they even use him.

Speaker 3 (01:13:48):
As a half?

Speaker 4 (01:13:49):
I think they will use him as a half. But
will Atkinson provide the solution that we're looking for for
for next year?

Speaker 7 (01:13:55):
Well, we don't know. We don't know that yet.

Speaker 11 (01:13:57):
At the moment, we're not.

Speaker 2 (01:13:59):
He's not playing a lot of it's a he's mainly
been playing off the bench and playing that utility role,
so it's hard to judge him off what he did.

Speaker 4 (01:14:05):
None of them, none of us know any of the
things we talk about on your show We Talk Ship.
But what's what's your opinion? Do you think Atkinson will
be the answer? Do you think will be the solution
to throw our problems in the hearts?

Speaker 2 (01:14:19):
I think he's more of an off the cuff player,
and he can He's shown he can be an organizer,
but he didn't. He hasn't. He's only shown glimpses of it.
He had a lot of time when when Heinz and
Trindle had periods out of the game last year, but
he's not playing that role this year, so it's going
to be interesting to see how what role he does play.

(01:14:40):
It looks like he will be in the half somewhere.
But as as you mentioned the chat earlier today, who's
going to partner in? Like someone's got a partner in,
but there's no one really putting their hand up at
the moment. As Benny said, I don't think. I think
Kyle needs a wake up call and getting back to
reserve grade. I don't think local leis coming back to
first Grad's the answer. I'd be looking at investing more

(01:15:04):
time into and liking and I'm not true. Sure, how
I'm considerable fill in the side. He played a lot
most of his football last year as a six. I'm
not sure if he is a number seven though for us.

Speaker 4 (01:15:14):
Yeah, and I think that's a big thing.

Speaker 5 (01:15:17):
I know mother, who is on the cow exactly supposed
to be on tonight, and he's not a big Daniel
Atkinson fan. He doesn't understand what all the hype is
about with regards to Atkinson. I tend to agree with Mother.
I don't think Daniel Atkinson is the savior at all.
I think he's another average half. He's okay, you'll probably

(01:15:40):
be the best half of our club. But that's not
saying much because our helves are futree. I think amongst
the worst halves that this club has ever seen in
our Certainly in my lifetime, I can't remember a worse
halves pairing than what we've had this year.

Speaker 4 (01:15:57):
With Ilius and Flanagan.

Speaker 5 (01:16:00):
Saying that everybody wants to everybody wants to drop Cole Flanagan.
I don't know whether that's the best thing for us
to do. My personal opinion is that.

Speaker 4 (01:16:11):
Right now Kyle Flanagan is shiit house. He is terrible.

Speaker 5 (01:16:14):
He's a dreadful halfback, but he's the best half back
we have it I do not think I think he's
better than Ilias. I think the kicking game for the
Dragons over the last fortnight there's been more. It's been
the same type of kicks, but there's been more depth
on those bombs. The players haven't been catching them on
the twenty, they've been catching them on the ten, so
there's been more depth on those kicks.

Speaker 4 (01:16:35):
So they've been there's been a bit more hype. They've
been able to get there and put a bit more pressure.

Speaker 5 (01:16:40):
I think he's been better than lachuelan Ilius since he's
gone into the seven.

Speaker 4 (01:16:44):
I think he's better. I think Ilias is better than Glover.
But at the same time, you don't know whether.

Speaker 5 (01:16:50):
A player can step up to that next level until
you give him a chance. Maybe I'm wrong about Jonah Glover.

Speaker 4 (01:16:57):
Maybe he is. You know, he is that good organizing
half and we need to give him a go.

Speaker 5 (01:17:03):
But for me, I actually think Cole Flanagan and like
in King Taggia is our best combination for twenty twenty five.
The question is going to be in twenty twenty six,
who partners with Atkinson if Atkinson's a six and Cole
Flanagan is still our best seven, we don't have that
organizing half.

Speaker 4 (01:17:22):
We just don't have it.

Speaker 5 (01:17:23):
It doesn't exist. We're waiting for Kate Reid to come through,
but I think that's another couple of years. Always still
he's physically not there. So he's a good football I
don't know.

Speaker 4 (01:17:33):
Yeah, he's a very good football. He's a very he's
very crafty seven. He's got all the skills you look
for in a number seven.

Speaker 8 (01:17:41):
And very very immature goes.

Speaker 4 (01:17:44):
He's just war like that dark so I don't know
though were big.

Speaker 5 (01:17:48):
It's an under twenty one side that runs straight over
the top of him quite a few times.

Speaker 4 (01:17:52):
Like he's brave.

Speaker 5 (01:17:53):
He puts his body in front and he slows them
down enough to get a bit of help in there.
But yeah, in our he's just going to get targeted
again and again and again by some of the big
boys at the level. But he's he's a guy that
I think could be our seven for the long term.

Speaker 4 (01:18:12):
But what do we do in the interim, I don't know.
I think it's I think it's.

Speaker 5 (01:18:17):
Tough because I think in general we've got the worst
halves in the history of this club. You're picking the
best dog ship out of the lineup, and I think
Paul Flanagan is the best dog.

Speaker 3 (01:18:33):
Shit in the lineup.

Speaker 7 (01:18:34):
Very swift.

Speaker 5 (01:18:36):
Yeah, it's just not much fair, and that probably comes
back to what has been was talking about. I think
it was has Men or for Big T talking about
maybe Guferson or Cook Gorge. You're trying to put player
player out of position and put them into the halves.

Speaker 2 (01:18:51):
To strengthen one position in a week, and you're trying.

Speaker 5 (01:18:56):
To manufacture something that I don't think they're going to
make it any better either, but it's you've got to
try things because as Jess sort of said, our season
is pretty close to done.

Speaker 4 (01:19:09):
If we're not willing to to you know, top the coin,
have to have a throw at the stunt. Just try something,
try anything, to try and different.

Speaker 3 (01:19:19):
I don't think that, no.

Speaker 6 (01:19:22):
I think I think Floodagan has got a long term
plan that he's working towards and he doesn't really give
a shit about the weak to weak.

Speaker 3 (01:19:27):
To We've been We've been stuck in that cycle for years.
Paches are picking players out of form, maybe because of
their name, maybe because of their amount of money, they make.
Maybe it's something coming from the board.

Speaker 4 (01:19:43):
I don't know what.

Speaker 3 (01:19:44):
We've been doing it all the time. We pick players
who aren't playing well with rather players in reserve break
trying to get through.

Speaker 4 (01:19:52):
Yeah, alright, we'll be honesty. Second done. I think I'm
just depressed. I don't know whether that helps.

Speaker 11 (01:20:01):
I didn't find that an orcath, honestly.

Speaker 4 (01:20:06):
I'm just depressed.

Speaker 5 (01:20:07):
Anyway, We'll move on to ed Dickinson's comment, and you
go to one of the guys who was actually at
the game, So I'll go to you with this one, Bennie.
Ed Dickinson wants to know where were the Dragons fans
because all he heard on the TV were Warriors chance made.

Speaker 8 (01:20:23):
It was no different at the game, to be honest.

Speaker 6 (01:20:25):
It was the Warriors were they were allowed and they
were proud, and yeah, you know they were. They were
in front for a better part of the game, so
you can understand why they will make a noise.

Speaker 8 (01:20:36):
But our crowd just go missing, you know.

Speaker 4 (01:20:39):
And it's been like that for probably the last four
or five years.

Speaker 6 (01:20:42):
You know, I've been a member for the last five
years and it's been the same, you know, like we're
just not loud we're not confident.

Speaker 8 (01:20:52):
We're not chanting, we're not celebrating.

Speaker 6 (01:20:55):
We're very, very very quiet when it comes to the
crowd at games, which is yeah, it's it's rubbish. You know,
we're actually loud to add opposition games. To be honest,
I went to the Manly game and we're probably louder
there than we are at home. But you know, like
a successful football team will bring all the partners out here.

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They'll get excited and they'll start chanting. And you look
at the Bulldogs fans. You know where were they three
years ago? You know now they're bloody riding everything. Benny,
Are we depressed as a fan?

Speaker 4 (01:21:36):
Of course we are.

Speaker 3 (01:21:38):
We're frustrating when you when you're depressed as a fan,
you're going to be quiet.

Speaker 6 (01:21:42):
Don't you.

Speaker 3 (01:21:45):
Think we're.

Speaker 4 (01:21:47):
The team?

Speaker 5 (01:21:48):
The team is not playing that well though, big team,
is it. It's a bit of a chicken and egg
type scenario for me. Is it the job of the
fan to lift the team or is it the job
of the team to, you know, energized the fan.

Speaker 4 (01:22:03):
You don't throw that energy.

Speaker 3 (01:22:05):
I know you don't like it, but I think the crowd,
crowd announcer should read the crowd up. He needs to
do something, he needs to get someone going. We need
to remember years ago when I went to the football
at Cobra. I think his name is James Gray, James, No, no,

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why Curley here and he led the army. He was
the one out, He was the one out the front, screaming, yelling.

Speaker 7 (01:22:38):
There is no.

Speaker 4 (01:22:42):
They still go to the games, but.

Speaker 3 (01:22:43):
I see them there quite a lot. I see I
see James there quite a lot. And but yeah, we
just haven't got already leading the crowd. We need we
need someone to lead the crowd. That's the only way
out of it.

Speaker 5 (01:22:58):
Can get rid of that quick dje Ian Johnson's comment
right every time the chance done and they played music
louder than the chant.

Speaker 7 (01:23:10):
Yeah, I don't like the DJ.

Speaker 2 (01:23:13):
We don't need what waste of money.

Speaker 3 (01:23:17):
I think we need something. We need someone to meet,
something like Donnie, someone who's passionate, someone who can lead
the crowd, someone who can get them.

Speaker 6 (01:23:27):
They got they got Nick Wayman in there, but he
just sounds like a fucking sixty year old bogan.

Speaker 8 (01:23:39):
You need like someone to actually like hype up the crowd.

Speaker 3 (01:23:42):
And Marty it might have been James Young actually James
Young I think his name was Yeah.

Speaker 8 (01:23:48):
But but yeah, the crowd, they've definitely gone missing. And
the DJ. I hate the DJ.

Speaker 6 (01:23:52):
It's absolute rubbish, stupid fucking music no one's remotely interested in.

Speaker 3 (01:24:00):
And yeah, I've been.

Speaker 5 (01:24:03):
Speaking to a few people today and yesterday about the DJ,
and there's been a lot of people that have been messaging.

Speaker 4 (01:24:10):
Me about the DJ.

Speaker 5 (01:24:12):
I have not had a single positive comment about the DJ.
Anybody want to jump in the comments and let us know.

Speaker 4 (01:24:18):
Do you like the DJ? Please let us know. I
want to know if anybody actually likes it. Everybody actually
wants it.

Speaker 5 (01:24:24):
Nobody I've spoken to everyone I've spoken to fucking hates it.

Speaker 4 (01:24:28):
I think it's just detracts from the atmosphere. Everybody hates it.

Speaker 3 (01:24:35):
You know what it is.

Speaker 8 (01:24:36):
It's it's the club trying to be modern and hip,
but it actually comes off really cheesy.

Speaker 6 (01:24:42):
It comes off cheap and cheesy, and it's just not
the image that we should be going for. They're trying
to modernize it and bring young people in it. It's
just it's crap. The music he plays is crap. The
timing of when he plays it, like every time there's
a break in the play. You get this loud, fucking
stupid music, and I'm like, I.

Speaker 4 (01:24:58):
Was there with my kids.

Speaker 6 (01:24:59):
I can't even talk to my kids, Like literally, I
couldn't even have a conversation with him when there was
a breaking play to talk about what was going on
in the game because the music is so fucking loud,
Like it's just it's stupid.

Speaker 4 (01:25:10):
Record a game day video benning impossible.

Speaker 8 (01:25:13):
Yeah, problems made. I've been dirty ever since I got
rid of the cheerleaders.

Speaker 4 (01:25:24):
You mentioned that in the group chat as well.

Speaker 6 (01:25:26):
Yeah, we've got this stupid hype squad which is just
absolutely fucking rubbish, just.

Speaker 8 (01:25:32):
Dancing around trying to hype the crowd up.

Speaker 4 (01:25:34):
They're all they don't know football at all.

Speaker 6 (01:25:37):
They're just these stupid dances that they've hired from some
fucking stupid local studio, deep and cheesy to a club
that's meant to have all this fucking money and are
trying to attract people to the game.

Speaker 4 (01:25:54):
It just looks and ship.

Speaker 5 (01:25:58):
It could treat Christs homes the ground announcer with the
plane in the arse all day. The ground announcer is
the great Michael Wayman. I'll let you tell Chris again
that that's it looks like.

Speaker 6 (01:26:15):
They've just cut corners, you know what I mean, Like
they could have actually got a professional, like an MC
or you know what it's like when you go to
a wedding and they've got like their.

Speaker 8 (01:26:24):
Uncle to do the MC and it's just cheering.

Speaker 6 (01:26:29):
Nick got a fucking ground announcer, you know what I mean,
It looks like they're just taking shortcuts. They had him
on staff that you had nothing else to do, They're like, funk,
we'll give him a mic.

Speaker 2 (01:26:41):
It's normally the girl from Channel nine it does the
ground announcing there, but she wasn't.

Speaker 3 (01:26:45):
Mean she's really got the job.

Speaker 6 (01:26:49):
But she's professional, you know what I mean, Like she's
urged her qualifications to do that and she's really really
good at it.

Speaker 8 (01:26:57):
She's professional and she's she's cherry. Herabs the mark the
crowd up and gets them into it.

Speaker 6 (01:27:02):
But yeah, a lot of the stuff that the club's
doing now is really cheesy, like even like they've got
the Queen like the stop Storm Clapp thing going, like
nobody in the crowd even does it. It sounds fucking
dumb and ship they just brought it in this year,
Like do they even consult any of the fans when
they go and make changes at the club level, like
they mustn't because none of the crowd or even into it.

Speaker 16 (01:27:22):
You realize, remember like the comparison to twenty Cricket Day,
you know in the twenty twenty they do the same
same thing, and it annoys me at the cricket team,
Like they start playing you know, different tunes and the
cloud's got to clap at certain points.

Speaker 4 (01:27:41):
It's like it's not a fucking dance recital.

Speaker 8 (01:27:43):
Like that's stupid. It really is.

Speaker 2 (01:27:46):
On the back of a kickoff yesterday, they started playing
music and then the guy had to stop it as
soon as the play started again, like why would they
what doing ship?

Speaker 4 (01:27:56):
Yeah again people that don't know rugby league. Yeah yeah, anyway,
it's it.

Speaker 5 (01:28:04):
Was a big rough rat in mind when I went
over last year and and and saw it saw a
couple of games was just the music at every fucking interval.
There was no there was no no downtime for an
atmosphere to actually develop at the game like there was
there was no opportunity for the crowd to start, a
chance to start to get into the game, to start

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yelling and screaming and getting something to echo around the
stadium because every time there was any any stoppage in play,
there was this blaring music.

Speaker 8 (01:28:36):
How are you going to call if they're playing music
all the time.

Speaker 2 (01:28:40):
That's exactly Yeah, Mark that I met at the game
yesterday as well. Good if you're watching, thanks for watching
as well. And I'm actually asked about you, Donnie, if
you if you're coming over over this side of the
country and come over to watch the game of well at.

Speaker 9 (01:29:00):
Some point.

Speaker 4 (01:29:04):
Not to this year. Maybe I've been being to Japan.
I'm going to dar On twice in the next couple
of months, and I've got.

Speaker 5 (01:29:11):
A wedding for my nephew over there in March, so
I probably probably won't play a game then. I don't
know when I'm going to see another Dragon's game, to
be honest with you, maybe when the Bears coming in
twenty twenty seven and they come over here.

Speaker 4 (01:29:25):
There he is before get an opportunity, Mark been there
we go. He's watching.

Speaker 5 (01:29:30):
He said that he watches and he doesn't comment, but
there he is. He's proving that he does watch, and
he now made himself alive because he does comment.

Speaker 4 (01:29:40):
Good on your all right, We did have a question
about the data of.

Speaker 5 (01:29:49):
Origin, but we've been going anre and a half already,
so we might skip that and leave that one to
you on Tuesday Jet.

Speaker 4 (01:29:54):
But forced and unforced changes. No one due back this
week other than.

Speaker 5 (01:30:00):
Now Ben Murdoch Machilla, but I don't don't think it's
going to be considered for the top grade.

Speaker 4 (01:30:05):
Has man Toby Taufman Shulder injury likely.

Speaker 5 (01:30:08):
To sideline him for a while, so there will be
a force change in the front row. Who comes into
replace tcuh.

Speaker 9 (01:30:17):
Well, in a perfect world, it will probably be Murdoch Masella.
But I think we'll see. I think we'll see. I
think he's I think he's pretty much next.

Speaker 8 (01:30:27):
Man up by default. There's there's no there's no one left.
I mean, Harma Sale is.

Speaker 9 (01:30:33):
Not bloody ready. Even if I don't, I wouldn't have
him eb me if he was. And I don't see
anyone else knocking down the door. So I think it's
it's blockers to blockers to lose.

Speaker 3 (01:30:47):
As well.

Speaker 5 (01:30:48):
But I think it's a straight swap. I think you
bring Blake Laurie straight into the team for Tarler, Mariners.

Speaker 4 (01:30:53):
And ed Ford. He's not a middle.

Speaker 3 (01:30:56):
We need a middle.

Speaker 5 (01:30:57):
We need a middle that can play minutes. We've seen
Blake Laurie play seventy minutes in the lower grades. He's
a guy that can play big minutes. I think it's
a straight swap. You bring Blake Laurie straight into the
into the side, and you start him, and you again
have Locko and Hamish Loco coming off the bench and
and trying to try to punch some holes in him
later and Luciano off the bench as well, And I

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think it's just a straight swap. Blake Laurie comes straight
into the side. I think they still a while away.
But I'm not the biggest fan of Army SLA anyway.
I think Blake Laurie is a better player than Arma LA.

Speaker 4 (01:31:33):
In any case.

Speaker 5 (01:31:33):
So I don't have any problems at all with bringing
Blocko back into the side.

Speaker 3 (01:31:39):
All right.

Speaker 6 (01:31:40):
H On that note, are any of you boys concerned
about the amount of injuries we've got at this point
in the season.

Speaker 3 (01:31:50):
Yes, there we are, We have a few of you.

Speaker 5 (01:31:54):
Yeah, there's definitely some teams that have have more injuries.
Else in particular, we've got a lot more than we do.
If we're in that position, I think.

Speaker 4 (01:32:04):
We'd be screw yeah, I think there's been a few players.

Speaker 5 (01:32:09):
You look at a guy like Tom eisen Huth who
hadn't played a he hadn't played barely at second of
football all season.

Speaker 4 (01:32:17):
He's I don't know why.

Speaker 5 (01:32:19):
He's still in our squad. Why don't they just retiring
medically retire because if still see have to be confirmed,
it's getting off the books. He's not going to play.
He's busted. But I don't know what's going on. There's
been no communication from the club in terms of what's
happening with him. Concussion, well, yeah it was it was concussion.

(01:32:42):
It was out for a couple of months with concussion,
and he played about twenty minutes in reserve great, and
got concussed again with.

Speaker 4 (01:32:49):
What was a pretty innocuous hit. So back to bout concussion.

Speaker 5 (01:32:53):
She's been struggling with it all season for six months
just about and that Green's medical retirement and it's time
for him to look after himself and his family and
all that sort of stuff. Thank you very much for
your service, but we don't We can medically retire and
get him off our top thirty and give us options
if somebody else becomes available, or you want to upgrade

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a guy like a like a you know, upgrade Jacob
Allngau early upgrader, a Nick Sagranos or or one of
these other young players. And jetly you who's in the
train and train he's been going really well in reserve grade.
You might want to upgrade him to the to to
a top thirty contract or a upgrade one of the
development contract guys and put him in that squad like

(01:33:37):
that gives us options if we get him off the books.

Speaker 2 (01:33:42):
Is that the NRL is that the Dragon's medical staff is.

Speaker 5 (01:33:46):
Well, the dragons medical staff will make a determination and
and he'll say that I'm not going to play play again,
and you know then I don't know exactly what the
process is, but I'd imagine the NRL might have a
an independent doctor that gets involved and goes, yeah, we agree,
but yeah, I'm not sure what the process is. But

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there's been no effort to try and do that. There's
been no communication as to whether the Dragons are trying
to do that. That's the one player, but there a
few guys been murder Priscillas haven't played all season. What
are we doing with him in our development squad in
the first place? If he wasn't going to play a
game like he's taking up a spot for a guy
that could have could have come in before round eleven.

(01:34:28):
So that there's there's just a lot of things that
the club haven't done well. And Benny, you mentioned it
when we were talking about the game day experience.

Speaker 4 (01:34:37):
Everything feels like amateur out at the club.

Speaker 8 (01:34:41):
There's a lot of mismanagement with the within the club.

Speaker 6 (01:34:45):
Yeah, and it's really it's becoming blaringly obvious our mismanaged.

Speaker 8 (01:34:49):
A lot of areas in the club are It's not good,
not good at all.

Speaker 3 (01:34:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:34:57):
Yeah, so I think I think it is an issue,
But I think the fact that our our reserve grade
side is actually going well.

Speaker 4 (01:35:08):
Is a positive.

Speaker 5 (01:35:09):
If we were running laft in reserve grade and having
these injuries and you go, well, there's no one to
replace them. I think at the moment, our reserve grade
side and our first grade side are barely similar.

Speaker 4 (01:35:19):
Love, it's.

Speaker 5 (01:35:24):
The guys that you're bringing in are the same, you know,
boll average level as our first grade as.

Speaker 8 (01:35:30):
Anyway, So yeah, yeah, that's a that's a big loss.

Speaker 4 (01:35:37):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:35:37):
I hope it's not too too long of a break
for Toby. We haven't got any indication as to how
long he's going to be out for, but I can
see some positives because it's not just the shoulder. He's
been struggling with the knee injury as well. Maybe a
couple of weeks out might help him. You get a
little bit more mobility with that. That that knee injury
as well as shrawing up the shoulder. It's not a

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season ender.

Speaker 6 (01:36:03):
Where we're definitely missing to a polodo definitely, and that
probably brings us to the net one big team title.

Speaker 5 (01:36:12):
Sloan suffering a hyper extended elbow, although he played the game,
didn't look comfortable. Whether he's fit or not, is there
a change you consider that would see slowan miss out.

Speaker 3 (01:36:25):
Depends on what he's done with Albo. You know you
might have done ligament damage. You might have there's no
report out, report out yet about it. So well, even
even if he's fit, would you would you consider it?

Speaker 13 (01:36:37):
No?

Speaker 3 (01:36:37):
I wouldn't consider leaveing him out.

Speaker 1 (01:36:38):
No.

Speaker 3 (01:36:40):
He ran for over one hundred miles, made a number
of tackles. I didn't write anything down about him, but
it's pretty quiet. But he's got to put his body
on the lawyer. He's got to catch that in ball. No,
I wouldn't. I wouldn't consider dropping him yet.

Speaker 2 (01:36:54):
He couldn't lift his arm last big team.

Speaker 4 (01:36:57):
I understand if he's injured, we're going to have to
replacing him, but I wouldn't.

Speaker 3 (01:37:01):
I wouldn't be Johnny asked me, if he's fit, will
he play? I think is.

Speaker 4 (01:37:07):
Mhmm. Well if he's not fit, who do you replace
him with?

Speaker 3 (01:37:11):
Oh Jesus again again, you're gonna look at Aawson. You've
got to look at who else? Who else is there?
Certainly video went down the other day, didn't he? So
he went there today, So there's another one out. Maybe
we've just got to like put a hand in the

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put a hand in the pocket and pull somebody out.
I think we go we'll use him and put him in.

Speaker 8 (01:37:36):
You know.

Speaker 3 (01:37:36):
That's that's the way it's going at the moment.

Speaker 4 (01:37:38):
With the injuries, we we could always bring back.

Speaker 3 (01:37:43):
He's inured to.

Speaker 4 (01:37:47):
He's in it.

Speaker 5 (01:37:47):
Anyway so that it doesn't matter. Yeah, anyway, three or
four weeks. So I I think, Benny, you raised that
we're missing him big time. We need Like for me,
I would be considering dropping slow And I think without

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Christian there we actually need somebody that's setting a platform.
Corey Allen is working hard and trying to do that.
Click Gufferson ran for two hundred meters, but it's not
really his go I think, you know, I think Lawson
is a guy that he's not like. He doesn't excite
me all as much as he does some other fans.
Some other fans seemed really excited to see Nathan Wiwson

(01:38:30):
in on what I've seen, he's reasonably safe. He is
feeling big and strong, so he does he does did
a good platform and works pretty hard and get some
good meters. But he's he's not quite as dynamic as
I thought he would be. He hasn't been a massive
try scorer in New South Wales Cup. He hasn't been
breaking the line at will and scoring tries for fun.

Speaker 3 (01:38:53):
He's okay, he played nine games.

Speaker 5 (01:38:57):
Yeah, but like again, there's a lot of fans that
have been not Wharton have to be in the thought
a round one like he's not that bloody good good.

Speaker 7 (01:39:07):
So one.

Speaker 6 (01:39:11):
Sorry, I was going to say, one wrap I'll give
to Corey Allen is he's not afraid to put his
body on the line like that try that he scored
like the slow wouldn't have scored that slow would a
ship a break and dropped it and he wouldn't have
even put his body in that position. But Corey Allen
just went in one hundred mile an hour and grabbed
that ball and scored it. And he was not afraid
to run the ball back for kick returns and he
got in and helped the forwards out, you know. So yeah,

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I can give him props for that. So yeah, a
couple of areas obviously, Yeah, he's definitely doing.

Speaker 4 (01:39:38):
His Paul Clark said, Wharton is the center.

Speaker 5 (01:39:41):
He hasn't played center in a month, mate, he's been
playing New south West Cup. They put Nick the Granders
from the second row into the center because Wharton is
not He is a winger in NRL. He might be
a center in the fifteen man game, but yeah, he's centering.

Speaker 4 (01:39:57):
In rugby league. Seemed to be cordoning, causing him some
problems defensively, so he's moved back after the wing. I
think he's much more effective on the wing.

Speaker 5 (01:40:06):
I'd certainly be looking to give him a go as
a winger because he does set a good platform and
we need that with no Christian tool or two and
tyrol l Sloan's not he doesn't provide that. He's not
providing that that those X factor moments we need him to.
He's coming up with ererors, he's jamming in defensively when
he shouldn't be.

Speaker 4 (01:40:27):
So I think there's a lot of issues with with
with Sloan, that he's not.

Speaker 5 (01:40:31):
Quite cutting it as an NRL winger, and the gap
between his best and his worst is too big.

Speaker 4 (01:40:37):
Jetty.

Speaker 2 (01:40:37):
I was just going to say some some people in
the in the comments on Facebook and other social media
pages compared unlaws and to Mark Nolan ney to Us.
I don't know if you could compare them though Mark
and nolanty to Us has probably been one one of
the best wingers in the comp this year, and and
Nathan Los has even played an NRL game yet, so
in hard to compare them.

Speaker 4 (01:40:59):
Again, they came from a similar spot. The Storm winger's name.

Speaker 5 (01:41:06):
Will Warbrick come from a very similar position to Lawson
in that that he was a rugby seven's whereas no
long no longer did he was.

Speaker 4 (01:41:17):
He was very good in the side game.

Speaker 5 (01:41:20):
He was playing for the Wallaby He's like, that's a
it's a much bigger pool that he was going up against.
He was a He's just a high quality player all round.
I still think no longer Knitt is pretty average defensively.
I think Nathan Lawson is actually better than him defensively.
But you know in attack, Marky marks He's he's just

(01:41:41):
got got it, got it going on. So he's he's
pretty hard to handle, very dynamic, and I don't think
Lawson's quite got that in his game yet. Paul Clark
asks about Cody Ramsey. Cody Ramsey's he's shooting the like out.
He's done really well in reserve grade with my man
of the match last week, was in my three two
ones again this week.

Speaker 4 (01:41:57):
That's good.

Speaker 5 (01:41:58):
A fantastic try to and going fantastically. But with his
contract status at the moment, he can't play in a role.
He would need to get upgraded again. If we get
get it, get a goal like Tom and he can
be upgraded. But yeah, he would need to be upgraded
to get it, get a go.

Speaker 8 (01:42:17):
So we're gonna swap the sloth for us, all right,
big what the fun you get?

Speaker 3 (01:42:26):
You know how you know how to walk down memory
Lane every week and on the Tuesday show and everybody
sends me photos. You guys have been fantastic and all
of your has Man, I don't know where your phanos album.
I'm gonna make one up, Benny. If you want to
send me a photo by the ends, send me a
phano of you when you're a little bloke and I'll
put you up and work down movie Lane. Yeah, so, Donny,

(01:42:50):
Donnie sent me this one.

Speaker 4 (01:42:54):
It's pretty.

Speaker 3 (01:42:57):
Wearing it to to.

Speaker 5 (01:43:00):
You. Notice I'm crying, not because I'm wearing a tutu,
but it's because I'm wearing a paramatta.

Speaker 3 (01:43:04):
Jersey.

Speaker 4 (01:43:08):
Tell us the story, Johnny, how old were you and
what were you doing?

Speaker 5 (01:43:13):
My sister who's ten years older than me, so she
would have been fourteen or fifteen or something.

Speaker 4 (01:43:20):
I was about four or five. She was maybe sitting.

Speaker 5 (01:43:23):
She loved Peter Sterling, so she wanted me to be
a PARAMOUNTA fan put me in a paramount of Jersey
in a too too, and obviously I wasn't quite strong
enough to resist.

Speaker 4 (01:43:33):
And I was quite happy.

Speaker 3 (01:43:36):
You know how I've been playing with the caricatures and
putting my characters on the friends of that. There's Donny,
that's a new profile. I'll send that to you, Donny,
and you can use it for your profile picture. Exactly right.

Speaker 5 (01:43:55):
That's going on the sweating pages about what I think
about the Eels.

Speaker 13 (01:44:01):
If we lose, it will be all over the Facebook. Man,
we are now, it's out there. Now, it's out there now.

Speaker 4 (01:44:15):
Thank you very much. Boys. We'll Yeah, it's been been
good fun as always. But if four loss by a convert.

Speaker 5 (01:44:25):
Or try or less is the difference between being thirteenth
and being fourth. It's the difference from being miserable and
wanting to sack every player and every coach and being
ecstatic and saving up the Grand Final tickets. We're not
missing by much. And my attitude over the last few
years is that I can cope with losing if we're

(01:44:48):
giving our talented young players valuable time in the top grade.

Speaker 4 (01:44:52):
And I feel like we're doing that.

Speaker 5 (01:44:55):
We've got Dylan Egan, Hamish Steward like King, Tooggia, Locko'tonga,
Toby like Cautchman, although they're both out injured at the moment,
but among a few others that getting time and there'll
be more that we'll get get their opportunity in the
top grade as well. It will make them better players
in the future and make us a better talent, better

(01:45:15):
team in years to come.

Speaker 4 (01:45:17):
We aren't winning a comp this year, we're.

Speaker 5 (01:45:20):
Probably not playing finals this year, but I think what
we are doing right now will see us as they
contender in years to come.

Speaker 4 (01:45:31):
So that's the positive message we take from from another
close Moss. So come on, fire as tales out there
and wins. Tony and the Vople will deliver very.

Speaker 3 (01:45:52):
Pair out the Jagging podcast and she A Covornado Ree
navigating randstand rabbit holes in the Landlord being with team
and so what can't we speak?

Speaker 6 (01:46:08):
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