Epstein Victims Speak as Congress’s 1st Files Drop w/ Nothing New, David Cay Johnston Joins 9/3/25

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Oh, by goodness, I'm I'm warmed and indeed comforted by
your recorded applause. Hello everyone, Great to have everyone here
on this busy day. It's a Wednesday. We are live
live every day for two hours. What about it East Coast?

(00:21):
Two to four in the east, What about a West coast?
Eleven to one on the West coast. I bring with
me and indeed treasures from a foreign land, spices and treasures.
The spice is all Albert, Albert, thank you? Yes right,
Albert is the spice, and the treasure is all of Kimi.

(00:41):
How are you?

Speaker 2 (00:42):
Yes?

Speaker 1 (00:42):
Kim is here with her chit chit chit. Yeah. She
knows what she doesn't like. She's not really sure what
she likes, but she knows what she doesn't like, and
she is here to chit chit chit is all the
way to the finish line. John Rothman joins us an
hour one today and the return of Rossman will bring
much to talk about, and an hour two a special

(01:06):
treat holdover from his normal spot on Tuesdays. The best
selling author and Pulitzer Prise winner David K. Johnston joins
an hour or two. So there's a lot going on
on Capitol Hill. There was a major press conference that

(01:27):
had this odd configuration to it because it brought together
people you normally wouldn't think would share a cause and
a microphone. Marjorie Taylor Green Rocanna. We'll get to that
in a moment. And also so many of the victims
of Jeffrey Epstein's human trafficking operation. I wanted before I
got into the heavy stuff to give a shout out

(01:48):
to so many who join us today. My new thing,
Kim is to try to give a shout out to
like the first person in the chat, but I lost
track of who that was. David Jenkins this morning, David Jenkins,
what's up, David?

Speaker 3 (02:10):
And he said this, they're not going to release anything substantive.
I've lost all trust in Dems and Republicans.

Speaker 1 (02:16):
I believe there's a lot of magical truth in Dave
Dave Davy, David Jenkins' comments. Yeah, that was this morning.
He said, Wow, that's really early into the chat. Yeah,
that's commitment to be first into the chat. But of
course you're right, and likely the Epstein files conceal so

(02:43):
much that's damning, not just in terms of all of
the men, primarily right, that are associated with this human
trafficking operation, and part of these these shattered lives is
what you're really seeing. So many of these victims have
had their lives shattered, many have taken their lives, many,

(03:05):
you know, have with the sad facts of their life
being what they were, they were vulnerable to Jeffrey Epstein
and Galainne Maxwell's predatory instincts and as a result, when
they came through that, they didn't really have the mechanism,
the instruments in their lives to you know, to write things,

(03:25):
to seek therapy, to do the things that might give
them some relief. And so it's tragedy on tragedy. You've
seen that sort of thing. When you talk about what's
happened in the Catholic dioceses across the world. You know,
they paid out in Los Angeles alone, they paid out
a billion and a half dollars in LA alone, the
Catholic Diocese a billion and a half dollars. That'll give

(03:47):
you some sense of the immensity of the struggle that
so many of these victims are dealing with. So you
saw some of them, and we'll play you a bit
of this in a bit. But anyway, too, David Jenkins,
who was first into the chat. To his comments, yees,
so there's so much here and so much is concealed
in those files. And you know who knows what's in

(04:09):
the files is the very people who are clamoring for
the files to be released, right Pam Bondi, we played
you the video of her demanding that the files be released.
All the Democrats, you know, the Democrats, the QAnon conspiracy
targeted Democrats. They were behind all of this, and that's

(04:30):
why the Epstein files haven't been released under Joe Biden
released them, released and released them. We'll release them. Cash
Betel says, I'll tell you where they are those files.
They're at the FBI. They know everything. Demand that the
FBI released those files. Cash, you run the FBI. Now,
you're the top guy. I know. I can't believe it either.

(04:52):
You probably can't believe it, Cash Betel, you probably wake
up every day going I can't believe it. I'm just
a blowhard, and somehow I blew hard enough that Trump
made me head of the fing FBI. I mean, I
didn't even know where the men's room was at the FBI,
and I'm running it now. Okay, great, so now release

(05:12):
those files, you said the FBI should release them. And
then of course Dan Bongino the same story. So all
of these people Trump included, who was demanding transparency, it's
all a Bill Clinton thing. It's all a Biden conspiracy.

(05:33):
They can continue to be in control of everything now
and now there's no there there, and and Bondi is
like the worst liar ever, you know, she says, there
the files on my desk. Turns out there's really it's
a big nothing burger. The videos are all just of
Jeffrey Epstein, right, and then on the Epstein suicide, which

(05:57):
of course was not a suicide. The one minute gap.
They went through this long explanation why there's a one
minute gap there, Why you're not seeing one minute of
the hour of surveillance day And it's explained, oh, that's

(06:17):
because it's got to recharge and all this other stuff.
So there's a one minute gap. It's nothing to be
concerned with. There's just a one minute gap all the time,
every twenty four hours, there's a one minute gap. Turns
out that's not true either. The one minute gap recording
was just released, so Pam Bondi can't keep her story straight.

(06:38):
She knows one thing. Her north star is protecting Donald Trump,
and that's why you'll never see these files released. He
wants no part of them anyway. That's one of the
things going on. Morning remarkable, says Francine p as does
Ricky Obeart one. He's an og great to have Ricky
in the mix. Amy says, good morning, remarkables. This is

(07:02):
his message. Marjorie Taylor Green gave a fiery speech. Another
side of her. That quote crosses political boundaries. Impressive. Yes,
nothing here making that point in the chat, and it's true.
And we'll play a little bit of Marjorie Taylor Green
in the morning. Everyone says to you, and we're working
on getting your name spelled correctly in the credits at

(07:26):
the end of the show for everybody who supports us
on a Patreon and PayPal. Anyway, thanks everybody who was
a part of the scene early this morning and jumped
on board. We've got a lot to get to. As
I mentioned d W. K. Johnson hour two. We've got
John Rothman, the professor in our one and we'll get
to that in a moment. By the way, the White

(07:49):
House response to the video of things being thrown out
of the White House window. There was this it looked
like a trash bag or carry on bag size thing
that was thrown. You saw at Albert yesterday, the r
in the second story of the White House. There is
a window from which they threw this. You know it

(08:15):
as usual. These guys are the worst liars and they
can't keep their stories straight. So we showed you the
video yesterday. Maybe Albert can rally it again today. But
so everybody's got their own theory as to what this
could be. A White House official said it was a

(08:37):
contractor who was doing regular maintenance while the president was gone. Yeah,
so that first of all suggests that the content is real, right, Yeah,
And that becomes relevant in a second because when Trump
was asked about the video during a press conference yesterday,
he said it was the first time he'd heard about it,
and it was clearly immediately he said, it's a generated Yeah,

(09:03):
they're all heavily armored. Those windows they don't open. Here
you go, Albert's got the video up now and you
can see the uh yeah, something falling from that second story.
And then that's what he said.

Speaker 3 (09:18):
He said, the videos are bulletproof, that they're so heavy,
there's no way you can open the bullets and that
or the windows and that type of that area of
the White House, the.

Speaker 1 (09:27):
Residents, he said, In fact, my wife was complaining about
it the other day. She said, I'd love to have
a little fresh air come in, but you can't. They're bulletproof. Well,
it's interesting that she said that because she lives in
New York, so I'm surprised that she really even responded
to anything going out of the White House, and she
doesn't even live there anyway. This is and then he

(09:48):
went onto an AI riff. You know. Donald Trump said,
it's the kind of thing they do. One of the
problems we have with AI. It's both good and bad.
If something happens really bad, just blame AI. But also
so they create things. You know, it works both ways.
If something happens it's really bad, maybe I'll just have
to blame AI. I mean, he's kind of thinking through

(10:08):
his excuses for being caught doing stuff ahead of time.
So that story just is one that we'll obviously never
know the truth on it, but it is one that
seems to be It's like a rachaman. There are several
different interpretations until.

Speaker 3 (10:31):
Someone starts selling you know, one of a kind valuables
from the White House. It almost smacks of like a heist,
you know, do you just throw it out the window?
I'll catch it on the other side.

Speaker 1 (10:41):
It does. It has that feel like somebody was running
out of the Maga merch store with a bunch of
stuff that they didn't want to pay for. You know
what I'm saying, or what could be? What's going on here?
It's an inside job? There you go, Yeah, it's an
inside job. By the way, again, I'll recommend it. This
is Coachella abouty coffee that I'm drinking today and it's
absolutely awesome. This is the Oats Russel. It's a little

(11:08):
uh sorry, I've got this horrible cold. It just will
not go away. Hang on one second, Kim. Kim will entertain
you for a second while I will ask.

Speaker 3 (11:16):
A question while you do whatever you need to do,
which is, do you think all the people that are
the Maga people or that watch the Fox News and
heard yesterday that oh, thirty thousand pages of Epstein files
have been released, do you think they realize that it's
all the stuff that is already public that has already

(11:38):
been released before, or do you think they look at
that and go see that Trump. He's so transparent, he's
got this.

Speaker 1 (11:47):
I think. I think even within MAGA nation, there is
their levels. You know. I think the platinum level MAGA
follower doesn't care. It's just Trump, Trump, Trump, We love you,
mister Trump, whatever you want, kind of like a Pambondi

(12:07):
sort of almost religiosity to the kind of allegiance they
feel to Trump. And so for them, again at the
platinum level, I feel as though it's not going to matter.
I think there is. There are a bunch of people,
the kind of Rogan level, people who are part of

(12:28):
MAGA because they've become disenchanted with government. They've seen the
way that governments let them down. They buy the bs about.
You know, government can't get anything right. There's all this
way's fraud and abuse. They're kind of elonish people. I
think for those people, this is a pretty big cover

(12:49):
up that they're watching in to use the phrase, real time.
They're watching this day after day, and in watching it,
they see that they're there is a deliberate obfuscation. There's
a deliberate kicking the can down the way. There's a
deliberate look at this, I've got all this Epstein stuff

(13:10):
in my right hand while I'm hiding the real Epstein
stuff in my left hand. I think so. I think
it depends where you are in magnation. That would be
my take on it. They're not monolithic, they obviously, And
Marjorie Taylor Green is a great example. Marjorie Taylor Green
is a true Trumpie. She loves Donald Trump. But if

(13:34):
you listen to her today, she is demanding, she is
a signatory to all of this, to this demand to
release the files. But the batch of files released yesterday
related to Jeffrey Epstein stem from that subpoena from the
House Oversight Committee. We told you about this, the James
Comer thing, and then when they came back into session

(13:57):
that we would likely be talking about this again. And
that's the exactly what's happened. Anyway. The subpoena was issued
last month, and they released thirty three, two and ninety
five pages of records yesterday. It's supposed to be what
they're calling the quote first batch of documents from the
Justice Department. So, by the way, that'll give you a

(14:19):
sense of how voluminous this whole thing is. That's just
the first batch. It's over thirty three thousand pages. The
content isn't clear immediately, but as you know, a lot
of people have now gone through it. It looks as
though the files had already been made public through court

(14:40):
filings and other releases. All this stuff is already out there,
So there are no revelations, there are no pieces of
evidence that are new.

Speaker 3 (14:48):
There was a public records request made in Florida, and most,
if not all, of it had been put onto the
Florida Attorney General's website in complying ants with that public
records request. And so we've all of this stuff that
they released yesterday that they made a big deal about, Oh,
the thirty thousand it's all been seen before.

Speaker 1 (15:10):
I see. Yeah. And in fact, Robert Garcia of California, congressman,
top democrat on that committee, said this is all to
quote distract from their continued White House cover up the
DOJ releasing the interview between Deputy Attorney General Todd Blanche
and sex trafficker Gallaine Maxwell. Maxwell is desperately seeking a

(15:33):
pardon from the Trump administration, he went on to say,
and cannot be trusted. He said. DOJ's limited disclosure raises
more questions than answers and makes clear that the White
House is not interested in justice for the victims or
the truth. Democrats forced a bipartisan vote to subpoena the
Epstein files in their entirety, he said, and the administration

(15:56):
must comply. There is no excuse for incomplete discs closures.
Survivors and the American public deserve the truth. Garcia says,
only three percent of the files released we're new. Ninety
seven percent we're already public. So they're trying to technically

(16:19):
comply with subpoenis. But you can see what's happening here.
Let me play you a little bit before I get
to brother Rothman at the bottom of the hour, I'll
play you a little bit of the press conference this morning. First,
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Speaker 4 (17:58):
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to the presser, I did want to mention what's happening
in Florida because I just can't belie leave it, and
yet I can. In the New America where we turn

(19:04):
back the clocks to nineteen fifty, Floridians now are getting
an order from the state's surgeon general that will end
vaccine mandates for kids. The state's surgeon general is a

(19:26):
vaccine skeptic, to say the least. He's an anti vaxxer,
Joseph Ladappo is his name, and he said that the
state vaccine requirement is going to be repealed, so children
in Florida no longer required would be the idea, if
it's repealed, to receive vaccines against preventable diseases like measles, mumps,

(19:50):
chicken pox, polio, and hepatitis. He just made this statement
this morning.

Speaker 3 (19:56):
I mean, I just can't you think about how many,
how many deaths that will mean. It's horrible.

Speaker 1 (20:03):
He likened the vaccine mandates to slavery. Ladappo handpicked for
this role as surgeon general of the state by Ron DeSantis.
The governor, longtime skeptic of the benefit of vaccines generally
and has previously been accused of peddling scientific nonsense by
public health advocates. So in his announcement, he said that

(20:27):
every state vaccine requirement would be repealed, and that he
expected this move would receive the blessing of the blessing
of If you guessed God, give yourself points. Yes, every
move would receive the blessing of God. He said, every
last one of them is wrong and drips with disdain

(20:49):
and slavery. Ladappo said he altered data to remind you,
this is in the middle of COVID. They altered data
in Florida about COVID nineteen vaccines to exaggerate the risk
to young men who took the COVID nineteen vaccine. We

(21:13):
know that because of a whistleblower who was then run
out of the state. There was a jihad against this whistleblower.
He said, people have a right to make their own decisions.
Who am I, as a government or anyone else to
tell you what you should put in your body. Our
body is a gift from God. What you put into

(21:33):
your body is because of your relationship with your body
and your God. Man, if you're not there to help
me as the government to guide me toward good health

(21:54):
as to what I should put in my body, then
why do you have that job. I don't understand. If
you're just going to say it's between you and your God,
do whatever. If the scientific community has demonstrable evidence as
to the efficacy of vaccines polio, mumps, rubella, whooping cough,

(22:20):
these are deadly illnesses, and if we have a vaccine
again that has proven effective, don't you feel a public
responsibility as a public official in government to mandate that
kids have these vaccines?

Speaker 3 (22:36):
Is he a public health official too?

Speaker 1 (22:39):
He's the surgeon general, that's right.

Speaker 3 (22:43):
What's his point in life?

Speaker 2 (22:44):
Then?

Speaker 1 (22:45):
What's he doing exactly? I mean, are you just you know,
you're living. I'm paying for you to be there to
do what this is him? For those sort of curious
at his press conference, Well, you know, the reaction has
been swift, and you can imagine it's been stern. I

(23:11):
saw one quote. Of course, it's anti vaxxers are praising this.
But the professor of law at I Believe in San
Francisco said, since the nineteen eighties, all states had school
vaccine mandates. If Florida abolished this mandate, it would be

(23:35):
the first in recent times to do so. But there
doesn't seem to be a law introduced yet. So you know,
again you can and there's a lot of this now
in the New America where there are a lot of
public statements made, but then the law isn't actually introduced.
We'll see. And it's noted by this legal professor that

(24:03):
one reason all states adopted these mandates is that evidence
showed that school mandates reduce and prevent outbreaks of disease.
If Florida does this, It's creating an unfortunate natural experiment
with its children as guinea pigs. Children deserve better, is
the point. Of course, that's true.

Speaker 3 (24:23):
So if I'm a mom in Florida and I'm going
to vaccinate my kids, but I still have to think
about because vaccine vaccination is not one hundred percent that
your kid's not going to get it. It's all about
herd immunity, right exactly. And so then do I really
have to think about one? Do I want to live
in Florida and send my kids to school there, or

(24:46):
do I want to homeschool or send them to some
kind of school with vaccine mandates, like a private school.
I don't know, but I'd be seriously concerned if I'm
a parent in Florida today.

Speaker 1 (24:57):
I think that that concern would be well placed. Absolutely right,
that's the situation in Florida. It just broke a couple
of hours ago. We wanted to bring up to Mark
Thompson Show. I wanted to share with you a little
bit before I get to Brother Rothman. I want to
get a little bit into what was happening on Capitol

(25:18):
Hill today. I think it's really a landmark moment when
you see all the victims from the Jeffrey Epstein case.
When I say all the victims, I mean so many
of the victims. Obviously, all the victims are you know,
so huge in number you couldn't even assemble them there.
And this is a sophisticated operation. It was a transnational operation,

(25:40):
it was a it was an international human trafficking operation.
But the horror of the victims' lives and what was
wrought upon them is it's moving. In fact, you know,
just before I get into it, I'll just note Nancy Mace,
who herself was a victim of sexual abuse, she sat

(26:00):
down with the victims on Capitol Hill and had to
leave the meeting, or as she left the meeting. She's
in tears. Here she is. You can see her, and
are those of you who are watching on YouTube shaking
her head. She's in tears. The testimony and these stories
are so powerful that she was moved to that kind
of emotion. So she's, you know, I think, reflecting what

(26:24):
is truly a horrifying series of experiences that these women
have been through.

Speaker 3 (26:31):
Then why is Nancy May still such a big trumper?

Speaker 1 (26:35):
And Marjorie Taylor Green is a huge Trumper. Excuse me.
That's one of the things about this that I think
begins to point out how transcendent this story is.

Speaker 3 (26:46):
I mean, I have sympathy for Nancy Mays. She went
says she went through something horrible less than two years ago,
obviously triggered by this, so upset that she comes out
of the meeting crying, and I have, you know, feel
horrible that the people went through that, and also that
Nancy Mace went through something awful and you know, is

(27:07):
still emotionally fragile, which she may be for life. But
then it doesn't it doesn't compute why then you don't
take the side of the victims in this case. If
you're so moved by it that you would run from
the room in tears, then how can you then back
someone accused of these heinous crimes?

Speaker 1 (27:30):
Well, this is when you talk about backing someone accused
of these heinous crimes. You'd have to fill that out.
I mean, you're saying Trump, you're accusing Trump of sort
of being a co conspirator or whatever.

Speaker 3 (27:41):
Well, I see the victims, the victims have accused him, right,
I mean, in the tranch of documents that we already
know as public. There's testimony where people have accused him
of doing some awful things. So right, it doesn't make
sense to me how you could cry in one moment
and turn around and say, but Trump.

Speaker 1 (28:02):
Yeah, Joan Hollywood says Mason MTG are responding as women
not politicians. Yeah, but Kim is onto something, which is
that Then the emotion of the moment evaporates and you
get back to the politics of life and it gets
pretty ugly. Play us a little bit of the press
conference again. This is extraordinary that you saw this kind

(28:23):
of collection of people across the political spectrum coming together
to demand the release of these Epstein files. Go ahead,
Albert Ship on this issue.

Speaker 6 (28:32):
This is an issue where they both have shown real
courage and this is Willa and I appreciate.

Speaker 1 (28:36):
Them joining us today. Congresson Massey, this is congressrom Massi
and of course he's a Republican colleague.

Speaker 6 (28:44):
Kana for co leading this effort to bring transparency and
justice for these victims. I hope my colleagues are watching
this press conference. I want them to think, what if
this was your sister, what if this was your daughter?
When these survivors speak, the Washington establishment is asking the
American public to believe something that is not believable. They're

(29:06):
asking you to believe that two individuals created hundreds of
victims and they acted alone, and that the DOJ has
no idea of who else might have been involved, that
nobody else did anything that rose to a criminal enterprise.
The American people know that's not true. Now, the Speaker

(29:26):
of the House just offered a fig leaf to my colleagues.
They're going to vote on a non binding resolution today
that does absolutely nothing. I appreciate the efforts of my
colleague James Comer, who's leading the oversight Committee. They may
find some information, but they're allowing the DOJ to curate

(29:47):
all of the information that the DOJ is giving them.
If you've looked at the pages they've released so far,
they're heavily redacted. Some pages are entirely redacted, and ninety
seven percent of this is already in the public domain.
So I'm calling on my colleagues be one of the
next two who sponsors this discharge petition. I think it's

(30:11):
shameful that this has been called a hoax. Hopefully today
we can clear that up.

Speaker 7 (30:16):
This is not a hoax.

Speaker 1 (30:18):
This is real.

Speaker 6 (30:19):
There are real survivors. There are real victims to this
criminal enterprise, and the perpetrators are being protected because they're
rich and powerful and political donors to the establishment here
in Washington, d C. So today we're standing with these survivors.
We're giving them a voice, and I want to close

(30:42):
by thanking them. They are brave. I hope they encourage
other survivors to come forward and to tell their stories,
not just of Jeffrey Epstein and Maxwell, but anywhere in
the country. This is a message that we are seeing.
This is a litmus test. Can we drain the swamp?

Speaker 1 (31:03):
Can't?

Speaker 6 (31:04):
Are there people who are outside of the reach of
the law? I don't think there should be. So hopefully
today we'll get two more signatures on the discharge petition.
That's all we need.

Speaker 1 (31:16):
And with that, okay, very very good. I mean, so
those are the those are the leaders who are spearheading it.
But as I say, Marjorie Troter Green was part of this.
Today was quite extraordinary to hear her and she even
remarked on the fact that she was teamed with you know,
this bipartisan effort to release the files, and I thought

(31:38):
she spoke pretty well. I mean, you know, again, I'm
not a fan of Marjorie Tedner Green and she's a
true trumpy. This is kind of what we were talking
about before. But she spoke, Well, the White House is
issued in order that if any Republican attempts to pursue
the Epstein files, says Jeff Eastwood hear in a chat,
it will be considered a hostile act against them. Wow.
Just wow, that's exactly right. Jeff's right. I was going

(31:59):
to get to that. The clap back from the White
House is pretty extraordinary. I mean, it kind of takes
the curtain and pulls it all the way back to say,
if you're demanding the release of these files, if you
sign on to this congressional effort to release the files,
we will consider that a hostile act. I mean, just

(32:24):
how do you spin that without in any way giving
up the true narrative, which is that Donald Trump is
desperately frightened of what's in those files. It is the
full range we've gone from. There's no there there, right,
that's a hoax. Oh my god, it's a democratic hoax, or,

(32:44):
as they would say, a Democrat hoax. Trump said that,
he said it repeatedly. BONDI said there's no there there.
Bongino said, there's no there there. Patel said nothing. So
these very same people who are talking about transparency and
the release of these when Biden was in power, they're
saying there's nothing there. Now we've gone all the way

(33:05):
over to if you demand the release of these files,
we will consider it a hostile act. That should tell
you how desperately frightened Trump is and this administration is
about the release of these files and the demand that
the information in these files be released. Here here is

(33:32):
the Is this a true social post? Albert? Is this
what this is? Now?

Speaker 3 (33:35):
This is a news story that I found And this
is the quote helping Thomas Massey and liberal Democrats with
their attention seeking. While the DOJ is fully supporting a
more comprehensive file release effort from the Oversight Committee, would
be viewed as a very hostile act to the administration. That,
according to a spokesperson for the White House.

Speaker 1 (33:54):
Yeah, there you have it. We'll come back to this.
I do want to play you a little bit from
the victims. I wanted to play you a little bit
from Marthorie Taylor Green. Both those things will do when
there's time. In hour two right now. Maybe maybe we'll
have a minute or two with brother Rothman, but I
definitely want to get to Rothman. And I've got David K.

(34:14):
Johnston in the in the on deck circle, so so
you'll permit me to to move on for now. But
we will discuss this with Rothman and and and Johnston
both Mark Thompson Show. I will ask you to do
the do the right thing, Americans. If you're a patriot,
smashed that.

Speaker 8 (34:32):
Light with your iron rod.

Speaker 1 (34:34):
If you're a true patriot, you'll smash it like a.

Speaker 8 (34:37):
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Speaker 1 (34:39):
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We'll we'll querry him quickly about that, but then we'll
get his take on so much of what's going on

(35:02):
in America at the moment and around the world. He
is a lecturer, historian, our former colleague from KJO Radio,
John Rothman. Everybody, let me start with the Epstein thing. John,
This does seem to be a thing that Donald Trump
cannot escape. The stink of Epstein is all over him.
He knows it, and Maga nation knows it. He's lost

(35:25):
some supporters, some high profile supporters, like the Joe Rogans
of the world. I'm curious as to how you think
this might game out, because it feels as though he
can't quite outrun this mark.

Speaker 4 (35:38):
I listened this morning on CNN. By the way, Fox
did not cover. I listened on CNN to the entire broadcast,
the survivors, the attorneys, and then I heard Donald Trump
speaking clearly and precisely, calling it a Democrat hoax. And

(35:59):
I want everyone to understand something. I have severe disagreements
with Donald Trump on a whole host of issues, but
when a statement like that is made by the President
of the United States from the Oval Office, it's enough.
Donald Trump should be gone. He should not be allowed
to desecrate the White House. And I really believe that

(36:21):
with all my heart and soul. And when Judge Bryer
yesterday gave his opinion describing Trump as trying to create
a national police force. And when I know now that
there are litmus tests of loyalty attached to every level
of what Donald Trump does, it makes Richard Nixon look
like a saint. And so I want everybody to understand,

(36:44):
if this were a Democrat speaking from the White House,
a Democratic president, the Republicans would be calling all hell
down on that White House. Deafening silence from the Republican
Party relative to Donald Trump is a national shame. Actually,
let me correct myself, it is a Republican shame. I

(37:08):
hope that all the documents are released. You know, Mark,
I listened for an hour and a half whatever it
was on CNN before I had a gig this morning,
and I must tell.

Speaker 1 (37:21):
You I was in tears.

Speaker 4 (37:24):
I ran a program, Mark, I was in charge of
all of secondary Jewish education in Los Angeles, and I
ran three weekend units, one hundred kids each, so over
three hundred kids plus junior counselors. They were fourteen, fifteen, sixteen,
And I had an ironclad rule that if any counselor

(37:45):
laid a hand on a student, they were gone. And
I would have called the families of those kids in
order to try to explain the errors that were made
in hiring such a staff person. The fact that Donald
Trump is still defending Epstein, still saying he was a
pretty good guy. The fact that there is still this

(38:08):
kind of cloud hanging over the White House. It ought
to be removed immediately. One other quick point. I'm told
now that jd Vance is going to get involved. The
jd Vance is going to be in charge of containing
the damage, so to speak. And I think it is
a terrible decision by the President of the United States

(38:29):
to implicate the man who could well be his successor
in this scandal. The idea of a cover up is clear,
and we need to be aware and directly confront the
fact that we have the most corrupt president and administration
in American history. It makes the harding scandals or the

(38:50):
Grant scandals.

Speaker 1 (38:51):
Fade by comparison.

Speaker 4 (38:54):
And when you have an order given by a president
that says that even hiring people for Noah for the weather,
that they have to pass a loyalty test on his
general policies, believe me, I am beyond words upset. And
I want to compliment you Mark on your monologue this morning,

(39:19):
which I think explained the Epstein case beautifully and so
that's my reaction. I think this is a colossal problem
for America and I don't think it's going to go away.
And for Donald Trump to call it a Democrat hoax
is the most absurd thing that any American president could

(39:39):
ever say.

Speaker 1 (39:41):
You know, it's interesting, while the victims were speaking, there
was a flyover in Washington. There was they had to pause,
they had to pause, They had to pause, And so
you can take that two ways. One is, oh, they
just had to pause. It was a coincidence there was
a flyover. The White House is saying it was because
of the Polish leaders, you know, who's there meeting with Trump,

(40:07):
which is an odd thing. I mean, is there a
flyover every time there's a world leader meeting with Trump?
It seems to be now there is. But the timing,
I would say, looks deliberate. You know, it's a you
could and I think that you can make a pretty
good case for the fact that there are a lot
of assertions of brute force here. This is what these

(40:30):
victims have dealt with all their lives. They've dealt with
very powerful men, moneyed aristocracy. As they go into these
homes and these domiciles around the world and this island,
et cetera. They are pictures of all of these, you know, leaders,
heads of state, powerful people, famous people, including Bill Clinton. Yes,

(40:52):
and there's a thought, it's an implicit thought, which is,
you know, if I step out and I complain about this,
if I go to anyone about this, who do I
go to? I mean, the most powerful people in the
world are part of this cabal. And you don't have
to think it through in any kind of serious three

(41:16):
D chest to know you could really be threatened here.
I mean, you know what I learned this morning, the
last point, So I find the flyover kind of in
that category of intimidation.

Speaker 4 (41:27):
Let me tell you, I found out this morning that
Epstein had a picture of Donald Trump on his desk.
We know they were close friends. We know that Donald
Trump has made comments that, frankly, are less than agreeable
when it comes to women. I don't understand why there

(41:48):
is a reluctance by the American people to demand real
answers from Donald J.

Speaker 1 (41:54):
Trump.

Speaker 4 (41:55):
And when I heard him this morning in his press
conference in the Overall Office dismissing all the Epstein stuff
as a hoax and saying there were far more important
things he's had the most successful presidency so far in
American history.

Speaker 1 (42:11):
In the opening days.

Speaker 4 (42:12):
It's nonsense, pure nonsense. And I guess my frustration now
is and you pointed it out that we have an
Attorney General of the United States who is giving Donald
Trump license and this is wrong. So my answer to
you is, as committed as I am to opposing most

(42:36):
of Donald Trump's policies, his conduct in relation to the
Epstein case, his words today should be an impeachable offense.
And I believe that with every fiber of my being,
and I hope that when the midterm elections take place,
the American people respond by electing Democrats, or at least

(42:57):
if they're going to vote for Republicans, Republiclicans who will
vote on this resolution affirmatively, we will see the White
House is now threatening retribution against Republicans who vote for
this resolution. If that is in fact true in terms
of their conduct, let me assure you, in my judgment,
Donald Trump should be disqualified and his administration should be

(43:20):
damned by history for.

Speaker 1 (43:22):
These kinds of actions.

Speaker 4 (43:23):
And by the way, if you think I'm being extreme,
mark as I say, I ran a program for fourteen
year olds fifteen year olds that age group. We were
so protective of the girls, and that's what they were,
young women, but girls. And all I can tell you
is the absurd comments by Donald Trump are just so

(43:43):
disqualifying to me on every single level. I find them
offensive and I'm going to be very interested today. I
had to go up to the university because I'm teaching there,
and I had to take a brief break. In fact,
I left what was supposed to be another session to
be with you today. I want to know how the

(44:04):
reaction will unfold during this day. I want to know
what Speaker Johnson will say. I want to know how
that vote is going to go. I'm waiting for members
of the United States Senate to chime.

Speaker 1 (44:16):
In on this.

Speaker 4 (44:17):
But most important of all, I will be watching the
White House and the comments that they continue to make.
And by the White House, I mean the President of
the United States, which are obscene. And if I were
on kgo with you right now and somebody asked me,
when you make a statement like that on the public airwaves,

(44:38):
the answer is I would gladly, and I believe it
to be true.

Speaker 1 (44:42):
I want to pivot from Epstein to the discussion of
moving troops into American cities. I, by the way, don't
view any of these things and statements about moving troops
into American cities as distinct completely from Epstein, because I
believe that Trump wants to try to outrun this story,

(45:02):
distract or in other ways, kill the clock on it.
He did it for August. He had a good August
because Congress wasn't in session. But as we noted on
this show, Congress is back, and when Congress gets back,
Epstein is going to float to the top again. And
that's where we are. But what about putting American troops
in American cities?

Speaker 4 (45:23):
Now read this, if you read Charles Bryer's decision on
this yesterday, just Judge Briar made a clear statement that
it is clear from the evidence that Donald Trump is
trying to create a national police force under his direction.
And I must tell you I've known Charles Bryer over
many years. I've known his family, and I must tell

(45:46):
you I have never been prouder of a statement made
by a judge that I was the statement made in
his decision yesterday by Charles Bryer.

Speaker 1 (45:57):
So give us a sentence of what that decision in
essence is saying they sets the table for future decisions
in relation to Trump. Not necessarily.

Speaker 4 (46:10):
The reason is because Donald Trump's people are immediately moving
to overturn what Charles Bryer said. If it's overturned, it's over.
But the implication is clear. Donald Trump is exceeding his
authority as President of the United States. And that is
a statement now made by Judge Bryar. Clearly, Donald Trump's

(46:31):
people will move immediately to have it overturned. Now, let
me ask all of our listeners a question. Do you
have faith in the courts? And this, to me is
something of paramount importance. On the first Monday in October,
the Supreme Court will reconvene. Many of the cases that
are coming before the Supreme Court are cases involving excessive

(46:53):
use of power, the attempt at use of power by
Donald Trump. The test is not only what the Congress
does in the next few weeks, it is what the
Court will do. And may I say that I hope
the Judge Briar's view is upheld. And if I were
nominating somebody today for the John F. Kennedy Profiles and

(47:14):
Courage Award, it would be Judge Charles Bryer. He deserves it,
and let me tell you, it's not easy when you
make a judgment like that. But three Church for Judge Briar,
who I would hasten to point out was on the
Watergate prosecution staff. He's had a long and distinguished history
and knows the ins and outs of Washington. His brother,

(47:36):
of course, is Stephen Bryer, the retired Justice of the
United States Supreme Court.

Speaker 1 (47:42):
It's you talk about the courts, and it's kind of
on full display, John, that we can't really count on
the courts in some ways. And yet oftentimes the courts
do turn back the Trump agenda. We've seen it with
the deportations. You know, the problem is that these court

(48:03):
cases linger, these court judgments are appealed, and just as
we're seeing what the tariffs, for example, tariffs are ruled,
we knew that they were illegal. We knew what we
talked about on this show. Surely you can't just declare
an emergency and start seizing power to be talking.

Speaker 4 (48:19):
About Smooth Hawy. We talked about the Smooth Haley Bill
in nineteen thirty and some of you will recall that
when we were on KGO, we did a lot of
discussion about the implications. The fact that the Republicans in
Congress have abdicated the responsibility assigned to them to be
the ones to handle tariffs is a shame the Republican

(48:41):
Party should carry with it for generations to come.

Speaker 1 (48:46):
So my point simply is that these tariffs are continuing
to be imposed. These are import taxes that were imposed
by the Chief Executive, again in a violation of law,
and the violation of law was called out by the court,
but because it's on appeal, these import taxes continue to

(49:07):
be imposed. So, just as an aside, if the Supreme
Court rules his concierge, Supreme Court, Trump is counting on
ruling with him with his instincts and impulse to impose
these tariffs in this chaotic, bizarre way. But if the
Supreme Court rules against him, he will have to unwind

(49:30):
these tariffs, and there are going to be hugely expensive,
complex essentially clawing back. There's going to be an expensive
clawing back of all that money. There'll be lawsuits from it.
You know, John, people have lost businesses as a result
of this. Small business has gone under in many cases
because of these tariffs.

Speaker 4 (49:51):
You're right, but don't confuse Donald Trump and his administration
with the facts, they are determined to move forward on
this catastrophic course. And all I can tell you is
that the Republicans in Congress are as responsible for this
as is Donald Trump. They have not exercised legitimate congressional

(50:14):
authority over tariffs.

Speaker 1 (50:16):
One hundred percent. You're right about that. I mean, that's
that was the problem. They didn't offer any impediment in
the least to Donald Trump's worst instincts. And then when
they saw the tariffs, I mean, my god, how could
you possibly be okay with it? I mean, you know,
forty six percent tariffs on stuff coming out of Vietnam.
They were just these ridiculously care fifty percent tariff on
Brazil because I'm angry about the way you're treating Bolsonaro,

(50:39):
a fifty percent tariff on India, driving India closer to China.

Speaker 4 (50:43):
Look what happened. India was standing directly with China, Russia
and North Korea in this alliance which formalized yesterday on
the celebration by the Chinese of the and the eightieth
anniversary of the end of World War Two.

Speaker 1 (51:00):
We we talked about it on the show Men, and
I said that this is only going to drive India
closer to China, and there you go. They're all standing
there and looking at this from the review, standing do
you understand watching this monetary parade?

Speaker 4 (51:12):
Do you understand how dangerous this is? Do the American
people understand how dangerous this is? I am telling you
the danger is real. Red light should be flashing, and
our political system is now being tested as to how
we will respond. That includes the courses.

Speaker 1 (51:30):
This is interesting to me, and let's let's not let's
stop talking in generalities. When you say do you understand
how dangerous this is? Put some specifics on it, because
I think there are specifics that are that are alarming.

Speaker 4 (51:41):
Number One, if the president of the United States has
the power to put American federal troops into cities around America,
it is a threat to American democracy, including the potential
and ramifications for future elections. Number two, Donald Trump has
issued an executive order. They're two parts to it. One
that you need a voter ID in order to vote,

(52:04):
and number two to ban listen to me carefully, to
ban early voting. This is a direct threat to American democracy.
It received hardly any attention, but it deserves to be underlined.
In international affairs. We have now created a situation where
we have an alliance of nations. You remember George Bush's

(52:24):
access of evil. This is an access of evil and
it creates major problems. A military parade, and let me
remind you, Donald Trump just had a military parade in Washington,
d C. The same sort of thing which these authoritarian
dictators applaud so rapidly and so continually.

Speaker 1 (52:46):
Look, Mark, what about this from Myra? They're going to
go after Taiwan next. You're talking about China while Donald
is busy with the Epstein stuff.

Speaker 4 (52:55):
It's not impossible. I think the Chinese are looking very carefully.
They're building alliance there, are making major economic moves around
the world, and there is no doubt that China sees
itself as the future. And make no mistake, the people
on Taiwan know it. They've held military exercises. What should

(53:17):
they do if the Chinese were to invade and we
know the Chinese forces are being prepared for just that purpose,
And what would the United States do? I mean, really
and truly, we can give the Taiwanese what they need militarily,
but they are not equipped to stand against the Chinese army.

Speaker 1 (53:38):
Well and big. Let's just talk about the economics of
the Taiwan situation for a moment, because well, and I
think the biggest chip maker in the world is right
there in Taiwan. It is, Yeah, I mean, it's more
than just a territory piece of real estate. There's something

(53:58):
significant there. I want to pivot to Gaza and what's
happening there. There's huge, I mean hundreds of thousands of
people protesting in Israel against Israeli policy toward Gaza and
what's happening there. Can you try to sort that out
for us a little bit. You know so much about
that region.

Speaker 4 (54:14):
Well, first of all, I want you to know that
a group of historians declared what's happening in Gaza a genocide.
But if you did deeper, you find out there was
never a discussion about it. Most of the people who
were eligible to vote did not vote because they didn't
know that the vote was taking place. The simple fact
is in Israel there are two movements, one against Natagnan.

Speaker 1 (54:38):
Stop for a second. The people who were eligible to
vote to vote on whether or not it was was
a genocide. What do you mean, mind, that's correct.

Speaker 4 (54:45):
There's a group who are genocide scholars just google it.
It's right there. They did not be curious. You have
enough notice there was no thorough discussion about it.

Speaker 1 (54:55):
And so you're saying the declaration of it as a genocide,
you're saying was not done jgitimately of course, Okay, And
it's very clear.

Speaker 4 (55:02):
I mean, it's if you know where to look. It's
all over the media, and there's no denial on the
part of this particular group of people. They wanted a
declaration and they got it. Had there been a thorough debate,
they might have gotten it as well, but that's not
the way they operated. And as you know, this is
a serious question in Israel. There are two forces at work.

(55:26):
One of the people who just want Natanya Who out,
and that is I believe at least half the country.
The other group is concerned about the hostages. They want
the remaining hostages and the bodies of the remaining hostages released.
The one thing I can tell you about Israel, whatever
you like or dislike in their policy, every aspect of

(55:50):
this is debated publicly in the Israeli press. There is
no censorship, there is no walking away from it. Netanya
who today is not particularly popular on that level. But
to his everlasting credit, I guess in history how he
handled the Hooties. They just wiped out the whole leadership
of the Hooties. How he handled Husbula completely destroying Husbula.

(56:16):
His response to hamas from Israel's point of view, You've
got to separate the policies that are being expressed and
the protests that are happening from the simple fact that
from Israel's point of view, the Natanyahu policy has made
them safer militarily. And I want everybody to understand that
the rockets are no longer raining down. And may I say,

(56:39):
to Donald Trump's credit, whatever his motivation, he latched on
to what was happening, and although he did not destroy
the nuclear capability of Iran, he did set it back
with great damage.

Speaker 1 (56:53):
But they're a pariah's state, John, I mean quickly, Israel's
becoming a pariah stayed because of what's going on in God.

Speaker 4 (57:00):
Tell you this, But Israel's been a pariah state for years.

Speaker 1 (57:02):
Okay that I think that's the default position is like, hey,
we're already a pariah state. That's exactly the world is
banging up on us, so we can we have to
take care.

Speaker 4 (57:10):
Of number one feeling. The feeling is that no matter
what Israel does, they gave back Gaza back in two
thousand and five to the Palestinians, and there were many,
including myself, who supported Charon's decision with a caveat that
the Palestinians then had to prove their willingness to get along.

(57:32):
You still have not had a declaration from Ramas saying
that they support a peace process. A ceasefire does not
bring peace, and indeed Hamas says they're preparing for another operation.
So it's a it's a big question. By the way,
the Israelis are not blameless in all of this. There

(57:52):
is no happiness about what's happening in Gaza in Israel.

Speaker 1 (57:57):
But we're out of time here. But I want to
but what is happening? I mean, isn't it a genocide?
Is the genocide? Genocide?

Speaker 4 (58:05):
No, A genocide is when you say we are taking
this group of people and we are going to exterminate them,
as the Germans did to the Jews and the Gypsies
and homosexuals during the Second World War.

Speaker 1 (58:17):
You're saying when you identify an ethnicity or a cultural lifestyle, then.

Speaker 4 (58:22):
And you say you're going to wipe it off the map.
Let me promise you one thing. If Israel wanted to
destroy the Palestinians, they could have done it easily. They
have the weaponry to do it, they have the manpower
to do it. But I must tell you the Israeli
army is driven by ethics, and Israel is driven by ethics.

Speaker 1 (58:39):
And although in.

Speaker 4 (58:40):
A war ethics may be stretched, let me be crystal clear.
If you ask Commas, they are saying we will destroy Israel.
They're out to kill Jews around the world. All you
have to do is go to a synagogue in Melbourne,
Australia to see the mass destruction there. But I must

(59:02):
tell you no one is happy with this situation. And
as you may know, may I be critical now of
Donald Trump and the administration. Mahmur Abas, who is eighty
six years old and is not particularly effective as the
leader of the Palestinian Authority, has been banned from coming
to the United Nations. What a mistake. I would want

(59:23):
the PLO the Palestinian Authority at the UN in order
to let them stand and condemn Ramas. Let them stand
and say let the hostages go. One of the problems
is with the Palestinians is there's no interlocker. There's no
willingness on the part of Palestinian leadership to make those

(59:45):
kinds of statements. And that, may I tell you, is
the paradox for the Israelis with whom do they make
a deal.

Speaker 1 (59:52):
Yeah, there's in the political leadership that they can re
elect onto. That's probably one of the huge issues the
politicians have had historically, there have been competing political factions.
Hamas really you know, was voted in as the political
superstructure of Gaza for so long. I got to wrap up.

Speaker 4 (01:00:10):
I will this is define to be conven to you
telling me that you are going to wrap this up
and that my time is up.

Speaker 1 (01:00:17):
I am telling you you very well finish.

Speaker 4 (01:00:20):
Now.

Speaker 1 (01:00:20):
I cannot let him finish. I've I've got to move along.

Speaker 4 (01:00:22):
He's got to move along, and ladies and gentlemen, I
will be listening as he moves on. May I urge
in closing support for the mock Compson program. Mark does
a great job, Kim does an outstanding job, and they
deserve our support. And may I say, Mark, I am
delighted to be among those who tells people to listen
to your podcast.

Speaker 1 (01:00:42):
I appreciate your frankness. Thank you for the love at
the end here and you can find John, of course
with a daily for a podcast of his own called
Around the Political World with John Rothman. Welcome back, sir,
great seeing you, Bye bye, John Rothman, Mark Thompson Show.
It was great. I love it.

Speaker 4 (01:01:05):
How would you have this?

Speaker 1 (01:01:07):
We could try ignore this.

Speaker 6 (01:01:11):
You cannot say you love your country.

Speaker 1 (01:01:13):
Where are my weed Smokers at? Stay at home and
get baked?

Speaker 4 (01:01:19):
You know.

Speaker 1 (01:01:19):
I did a podcast yesterday. I was a guest on
a podcast and he put it up to there and
I he sent me the link and I went to it,
and you know our drop where are my weed Smokers at?
We just we run it. We're the only the drop.
I grabbed it years ago, so we I know it
doesn't exist anywhere else. And he put up in the
title where my weed Smokers At? I'm thinking people are

(01:01:43):
going to go through and think we're talking about weed
or something. It's just a drop on our where are
It's just a drop on our show? You know? But
it was with Patrick Level. I don't know what is
his show called. It's some Patrick Level truth bombs the
con It's called truth bomb. Then he says, the incomparable
Mark Thompson, where all my weed smokers at. I'm thinking,

(01:02:05):
I don't know, I you know, I don't know if
that's a great association for me.

Speaker 3 (01:02:08):
But tune in thinking it's all about the pot.

Speaker 1 (01:02:11):
Yeah exactly, but it's not about the pot, all right.
Smashed the like button for everything we're doing, and we're
Mark Thompson show. What a treat we missed him yesterday?
Excuse me, I had this cold. Excuse me, what a
treat we missed him yesterday? He is back today on
a Wednesday, normally a Tuesday visitor. He's the best selling author,

(01:02:33):
the Pulitzer Prize winner. He's the co founder of dcreport
dot org, which you should check out regularly. And of
course he's a professor now at Rochester Institute of Technology.
He's the brilliant David K. Johnston. Well, Mark, Hello, sir,
it's so good to have you on board. While I
was looking at the Epstein presser today, so many of

(01:02:56):
the victims speaking on Capitol Hill, and I was thinking
of you, because you have at the point repeatedly that
this story is one that you felt. I was using
the phraseology that that Trump can't outrun it. You've used
different phraseology but made essentially the same point, and the
return of Congress has brought the return of this story.

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David K. Johnston.

Speaker 9 (01:03:18):
Yeah, and it's very good to see that a number
of the young women are in the position of saying,
excuse me, we're the victims. Why are you not talking
to us? And we want this out there. I listened
to one this morning who was a guest on NPR.
I did not think she was particularly carefully thought through

(01:03:41):
in her answers, but she said, you know, this all
happened to us. That's not the issue about keeping us
out of the public record. And it's not their names
that we care about. It's Donald Trump and the other
people around him and whoever they are. I don't think
it matters. I think that the issue is we need

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to know who these people were. But we need to
know in the case of Donald Trump, because we cannot
as a country be led by a serial child rapist.

Speaker 1 (01:04:13):
The bobbing and weaving that he has found others to
do right. Pam Bondi, who demanded the release of these files,
and now she says there are no files there. Oh well,
it turns out there's nothing really new in the files release, yeah,
and which is true. And then the of course Patel
and Bongino, who've also you know, they've demanded historically over

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the podcast and all the rest, transparency. Now they're in
power and they don't make those so demand that they
say there's no there there as well. So, but the
bobbing and weaving now has been joined by J. D Vance.
He jd Vance is sort of I think Donald Trump's
real henchman. He's going to go out there and you know,
clean things up, and they have. In essence, the White

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House issued a statement saying, if you back this bill
to release the Epstein files, you backed this congressional action,
will consider it a hostile act. Those were the words
used by the White House. So it's more than just
bobbing and a weaving.

Speaker 9 (01:05:14):
It's an astonishing thing that these are records of no consequence,
with nothing there, but if you want to make them public,
we will destroy you.

Speaker 4 (01:05:24):
You.

Speaker 9 (01:05:25):
Really, it would require to use Sam Elliott's phrase, the
actor Sam Elliott a special kind of stupid not to
get the fundamental message there. There has to be material
in there that will destroy Donald Trump, or they wouldn't
care they simply wouldn't care. And I'm sure there are

(01:05:47):
some other people depending on what they release and how
that this will matter to. Behind all of this, you know,
what we're seeing is for decades, the Republican Party ran
on what they said, We're a set of principles, lower
taxes for everybody, less regulation of business, less government interference

(01:06:12):
in the economy, and transparency, run the government like a business,
and freedom, liberty, freedom, all the time. And we're seeing
that that was just all nonsense. What we're seeing happen
here is a government completely anathetical to those views. And

(01:06:32):
I'm sure you wouldn't have trouble getting Republicans on who
will say that. I was on Middle East TV today
with a Trump supporter who said, yeah, you know, I
like these various things he's doing, but he can't argue
that these other ones. I Intel having give ten percent
of its equity over to the government. If you're an

(01:06:53):
Intel shareholder, sounds like a good time to get lawyers
telling a company you have to give us fifteen percent
of your revenue if you want to sell a micro
particular kount of microchip to China that has nothing to
do with national security. If the issue is the government
getting paid. We have rules that allow the government to

(01:07:13):
control exports of anything considered a munition. And way back
in time when Apple started making computers, and they made
Apple two E computers, I owned one for me and
one for my children. At the time, the US government
banned those from several countries as munitions because they could
be used to calculate trajectories for artillery. So the government

(01:07:39):
has plenty of power to do these things. What you're
seeing is a crazy madman doing whatever the hell he wants.
And as he said in the first term, I have
an Article two of our constitution that says I can
do anything I want. Doesn't say anything like that, Mark,
but he acts like it. And where are the Republicans
who will stand.

Speaker 1 (01:07:59):
Up doing well? It's government by intimidation on your last point,
and I'm glad you mentioned Intel. Excuse me a good
curm my throat, because the intail thing was also a shakedown.
You know that it felt like a shakedown to me. Right.
He identifies the CEO of Intel as you know, this
despicable guy. He's incompetent, he shouldn't be running the and
then he meets with him, decides that you know we're

(01:08:21):
going to get our beek wet to the point that
it'll be a ten percent and that you know, as
you said, say there wasn't any kind of If it's
a legit security concern, then it's not a question of,
you know, being bought in for ten percent. He gets
bought in for ten percent. He pivots to this is
the greatest guy. I think. You know, I've changed my
mind on him. He's really terri It's so it's so clunky, David,

(01:08:41):
it's classic Trump. You've documented this, you know, it goes
back decades. It's all right there. You know.

Speaker 9 (01:08:48):
Look, you can like or dislike Joe Biden, Barack Obama,
Bill Clinton, Hillary Clinton, Kamala Harris, but all of them
have an identified set of principles. The only principles Donald
ever identifies are me, me, me, me me. You know,
I'm the one who's been harmed. I'm the one who's

(01:09:08):
been wrong. I alone can save you. I alone care
about you.

Speaker 8 (01:09:14):
Uh.

Speaker 9 (01:09:14):
Everything is about him, and it's it's indicative of his
very deep mental illness and it's very very troubling that
people are not willing to stand up to him. And
it's not like if you stand up. You're going to
get shot, at least not at this stage of his
effort to overthrow our government.

Speaker 1 (01:09:31):
But you'll be assassinated politically.

Speaker 9 (01:09:34):
Risk you won't You'll be Jody Ernest, You're not going
to be electable again.

Speaker 1 (01:09:38):
Exactly right. That's that's exactly it. They'll take you down politically,
at least. That's the that's the implied threat. And in
this case, like today, it's the explicit threat. You know,
you're you're in reference to the to the Epstein stuff,
you talk about his mental health, I want to talk
about his physical health for a moment. Uh. He does
seem labored in moments when he speaking, certainly way off

(01:10:02):
any kind of coherence at times. Speak to his situation
with regard to that stuff.

Speaker 9 (01:10:08):
Well, A number of people, and I talked to doctor
Bandy Lee about this not too long ago. A number
of people who deal with older Americans say that Donald
is showing signs of cognitive decline and Alzheimer's a tree
will thinking right away is just a kind of dementia.

(01:10:29):
There are lots of different things that happen in your brain. Now,
not being able to remember a word if you're my
age and I'm almost as old as Donald. Eh that happens,
it can happen to you in your twenties. But Donald
can't stick with a theme for any period of time,
and he goes off on the answers that have nothing

(01:10:49):
to do with the question to ask. Now you're putting
up there right now a picture of his the back
of his hand with a large bruise on it that
is very often indicative that he's getting some kind of
injection through a needle that's put in his arm and

(01:11:10):
is there maybe all night long while he's sleeping, and
he's put makeup on it to cover up. The swollen
ankles can be signs of a number of things, including
congestive heart failure, and that the veins that are supposed
to return the blood from the arteries back up to
the heart are slipping and you're getting a build up there.

(01:11:36):
You'll also notice if you watch Donald at least as
carefully as I do, and study a lot of the footage,
Donald has big emotional swings. So there are days when he,
at least in the past, would walk smartly somewhere, and
there are other days when he walked like someone who
is deeply depressed and is sort of forcing himself to
move along. And when he's in that mood you can

(01:11:57):
see it in his answers and his commentaries where he's
just you know, why am I here? Disconnected? So, I
mean Donald is not physically or mentally well and hasn't
been for a long long time. But no Washington press
guard does not, as a general rule, talk about that

(01:12:18):
unless there's something like the ability to get the images
of his ankles, which he now hides by how he
sits and where he sits. It's just sort of of
off limits. In the same way that when FDR had
a mistress in the White House, when Eisenhower had a mistress,

(01:12:39):
when a whole group of other presidents, not Ronald Reagan
or I'm sorry, not Ronald Reagan, Jimmy Carter or Richard Nixon,
but a bunch of others Democrats and Republicans, George H.
George H. W. Bush had a mistress at the State Department.
It wasn't reported on. It was considered outside the reasonable

(01:13:00):
limits of what to report on president's health. Has been
on the agenda since nineteen eighty when The New York
Times sent doctor Lawrence Altman, a physician who was a
reporter at the New York Times and a friend of
mine to go and inquire about Ronald Reagan's health, and
we should know about his health. And if you're foolish

(01:13:21):
enough to think that Donald weighs two hundred and thirty
five pounds, I got a bridge to sell.

Speaker 7 (01:13:25):
You a brook.

Speaker 1 (01:13:27):
Yeah. Well, and any of the official pronouncements as to
his health that you can pretty much, you know, just
put those in the circular file. But it's interesting that,
you know, those who want to build their own narrative
put together little bits and pieces of Donald Trump's the
bruising him being off camera for six days, and before

(01:13:47):
you know it, they are talking about the fact he
hasn't been playing golf, that he's deceased. I mean, we
go from you know, zero to decease pretty quickly. I mean,
I think there's a lot of sort of wishing for
the for this guy. You said it before. You don't
want him off at all, You don't want him to
pass away. You just want him out of public policy. Yeah.

Speaker 9 (01:14:09):
But you know, Donald has disappeared in the past when
he was running against Hillary Clinton, and she exhausted herself.
At the point where we saw her, she was sick.
She should have taken a day off. She collapsed getting
into a van, and Donald made a big deal out
of that. Everybody forgets. Donald disappeared several times during the campaign,
and he might call up Fox News and talk to

(01:14:30):
people on their morning show, but that was it. We
didn't see him. And that's how Donald's been as long
as I've known him, which is since nineteen eighty eight.
He has these mood swings, and a lot of people
have them. Doesn't mean that you know you That by
itself doesn't mean that you have him in alonness, But
there are lots of people who instead of having a
steady keel, they have ups and downs.

Speaker 1 (01:14:53):
Let's just move David to what he's talking about openly,
and that is moving troops into American cities. On one level,
I see it as and I see I guess everything
that's a public pronouncement as adjacent to the distraction model
that he has to keep going for Epstein, and it
does seize the news cycle. I mean, it's effective that way,

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but now it will coexist in the news cycle with Epstein.
But that said, now he's getting pushed back from like JB. Pritzker,
who's really pretty good on this, Albert, do you have
the Pritzker stuff? I wanted to play it for David,
But as he gets pushed back from Chicago, which is
you know where, which is Pritzker state, right Illinois, He's
now saying maybe I'll take the troops to New Orleans.

(01:15:36):
I mean, it's like a it's a weird kind of
road testing he's doing. Go here's a little of Pritzker.
Though I was impressed by the way he pushed back.

Speaker 10 (01:15:44):
Liable agents in unmarked vehicles with masks are planning to
raid Latino communities and say they're targeting violent criminals. As
we saw in Los Angeles, a very very small percentage
of the individuals they will target will be violent criminals. Instead,

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you are likely to see videos of them hauling away
mothers and fathers traveling to work or picking up their
kids from school. Sometimes they will detain handcuff and haul
away children. They are law abiding individuals who pay taxes
and contribute to the communities, who feel safe going to

(01:16:26):
work and attending mandatory immigration check ins. In other words,
they're following the law. We have reason to believe that
Stephen Miller chose the month of September to come to
Chicago because of celebrations around Mexican Independence Day that happen
here every year. It breaks my heart to report that

(01:16:49):
we have been told Ice will try and disrupt community
picnics and peaceful parades. Let's be clear, the terror and
cruelty is the point the safety of anyone living here. Third,
as lawful citizens exercise their First Amendment rights, Trump and
his team will be looking for any excuse to put

(01:17:11):
active duty military on our streets, supposedly to protect Ice.
We have reason to believe that the Trump administration has
already begun staging the Texas National Guard for deployment in Illinois.
I want to be very clear on this point, and
I want to speak directly to the press right now.

(01:17:34):
We know, before anything has happened here, that the Trump
plan is to use any excuse to deploy armed military
personnel to Chicago. If someone flings a sandwich at an
ICE agent, Trump will try and go on TV and
declare an emergency in Chicago. I'm imploring everyone, if and

(01:17:54):
when that happens, do not take the bait.

Speaker 1 (01:17:57):
So that's JB. Prittle last in Chicago. Oh, thank you
Albert for that. I was impressed. By that, I thought
he spoke plainly about the threat.

Speaker 9 (01:18:07):
Well, Pritzker, who's part of a very large, wealthy and
highly educated family, I think has been resolute all the
way along, has has not cowered in any way whatsoever,
and he's not going to let me point out two
I think significant things here. I only lived in Chicago

(01:18:29):
for six months of my life, so I don't know
that much about it. But Los Angeles, where I lived
for ten years, in California for thirty six. When I
was investigating the LAPD for the LA Times. In nineteen
eighty to beginning of eighty three, there were one thousand
murders a year in LA and three million people. LA
now has four million people. It's one of the few

(01:18:51):
big cities that's really grown in the last thirty forty years.
So it's gone from three million to four million, and
the number of homicides has gone from one thousand to
year to three hundred. I'm sorry, where is the crime
problem here? And most of the murders, by the way,
are between hostile liniments where that has nothing to do
with law enforcement. You know, you kill your lover, your spouse,

(01:19:14):
your business partner. Those killings law enforcement has little to
no ability to do anything about it. And in fact,
here at rit the Criminal Justice School issues reports about
this stuff. I teach a course in criminal justice here.
So Pritzker is exactly right. This is not what Donald's doing.

Speaker 4 (01:19:37):
Now.

Speaker 9 (01:19:37):
The other thing is he's sending troops from Texas to Illinois.
Why is he doing that. We'll just think back to
Tieneman's Square when the students demonstrated against the communist regime
against the thugs who run Beijing in nineteen whatever year
it was eighty something. They z and troops who were

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from the Beijing Federal District area, and they would not
shoot the people who they knew or they knew they'd
be family members or people they knew. So they replace
them with troops that were brought in from the north
of China. And that's what Trump is doing here. You
get people who are from a distant place, they don't

(01:20:23):
have any sense of this, and then you go after
their morality. And let me point out, anybody who follows
illegal orders better be prepared because if we get through
this and we get our democracy back in full, you
may well end up. If you're in the National Guard,
you may well end up with a long sentence in
a military prison for what you did, especially if you're

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an officer.

Speaker 1 (01:20:49):
Yeah, when the shoe drops, it may drop hard. It's interesting.
That's a really great point that you're making about the
connection the people from the same community or the same
state feel. So that National Guard coming in from Texas
to Illinois, they don't have that connection, and so they're
far more free in the sense of psychologically to break

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the kind of oath that they would otherwise maintain.

Speaker 9 (01:21:15):
And it's not like this is cost free by the way.
You're in the National Guard, a weekend warrior, as we say,
and suddenly you're deployed for two months in Los Angeles
or Chicago or somewhere else. That means you're not earning
your salary at your position. The business that you work for,
whether you're a doctor with a medical office or you're
putting parts together for some piece of machinery, isn't getting

(01:21:37):
your work. There's an enormous social cost and economic costs
to these actions which are just playing flat out illegal.
And today I was on another show with someone overseas
who said, well, he's only the ninth president who's done this,
and rattle off presidents who said they've sent the National
Guard to deal with riots, and I went, yeah, where's

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the riot in Los Angeles at the peak of the
demonstrations against ICE. I calculated that it was point zero
zero zero one two three four one zero zero zero
zero three seven percent of the city of LA that
was involved in geographically in the demonstrations. And there was
no property damage of any significance. And I'm sorry, throwing

(01:22:23):
a Deli sandwich at someone is not a riot.

Speaker 1 (01:22:28):
Yeah, yeah, at the period by.

Speaker 9 (01:22:29):
What Trump people saying, well, they burned Los Angeles down
in the early nineties. No, it was certain neighborhoods in
south central LA. It was far from you know, it
was a tiny fraction of the city. That isn't justifying
riots and illegal conduct. It's just let's remember proportionality.

Speaker 1 (01:22:48):
Well, you're right. And in the nineties during the Rodney
King riots, the riots are following that Qunchman and the
court case, there was a real sense that that LA
was teetering and you need of the National Guard and
the actually the National Guard was invoking the National Guard
and the power the National Guard was completely sanctioned by mayor, governor, etc.

(01:23:09):
That's a totally different process.

Speaker 9 (01:23:10):
And now you're opposed by these mayors and governors saying
we don't want this to happen.

Speaker 1 (01:23:15):
Thank you.

Speaker 9 (01:23:15):
But you know, the goal here is is intimidation and
total power. They're not there yet. That Donald is consolidating power.
He continues to go through and get rid of various people,
some of whom are going to be reinstated by the courts.
He's working to make those commissions that are required by
law to be some Democrats and some Republicans. The majority

(01:23:38):
party gets the majority of seats. He's removing Democrats so
they can't function. And that's another part. You know, if
you can't overcome the government and turn into your personal tool,
just make it unable to function.

Speaker 1 (01:23:51):
Sure. Sure, And that's on the regulatory side. I mean
he's taking all the cops off the beat, so that
I should tell you right there what's happening everything from
the financial markets to law enforcement. And it's interesting, David,
as I let me just I've got a question for
you that I don't want to This is from depressed

(01:24:14):
Canadian who thank you for the fifty dollars super chat.
What does David K. Johnston do to combat a general
sense of neihilism or deep cynicism. It just seems like
constant cover ups out in the open. Can you speak
to that.

Speaker 9 (01:24:29):
Well, they are constant cover ups out in the open.
Donald tells us I'm going to comit this crime. He
just doesn't call it a crime, and he's very open
about it because he feels he cannot be vanquished. And
the cynicism is a real problem. Cynicism only helps the oppressors.
You know, you need to be optimistic. You need to

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think we're going to defeat this, We're going to regain
in full our democracy. By the way, if we succeed
in this and we get Trump and his ilk out
of there, that's not the end. That's the beginning of
building a new and better society. So, by the way,
one fortunate thing is that in every court except the

(01:25:12):
US Supreme Court, Donald is generally losing. He's lost essentially
ninety six percent of the cases. The posse commatatis law
was cited just I guess yesterday or this morning by
the federal judge who said, yeah, this deployment of troops
to Los Angeles was illegal. You can't do that. And
you've got two grounds here. Donald is trying to use

(01:25:35):
the seventeen ninety eight Alien Sedition Acts, which our first
mentally ill President John Adams, great patriot, but was paranoid,
got passed, and all but one section of that law
was thrown out. In order to justify what you can
do under the seventeen ninety eight law, you have to

(01:25:55):
have an invasion. Trump says, we're being invaded from the south,
And in the other moment he said, you know, we
have the lottest number of illegal crossings of this country
in the history and certainly in modern history, since we
started keeping data about it. So he doesn't care about
the law. That's just a pretext, that's just a cover.

(01:26:16):
And it's why he has the corrupt Pam Bondi, the
corrupt cash battel, and the utterly incompetent and unqualified non
mignino is deputy at the FBI, because these are people
who they'll do whatever he tells them to do. And
if we get through this, hopefully those people are going
to be prosecuted and they're going to go to prison.

Speaker 1 (01:26:37):
So you'd say to depressed Canadian and those of us
who you know are downcast about the fact that he's
been able to populate the government with all of these
loyalists and been able to sort of shine on any
kind of legal judgments and do what he wants and
you know, pursue these chaotic and ridiculous, self serving policies.
You'd say, we can try after all of this. First

(01:26:59):
of all, you'd say, I think point of the courts
is what I'm getting from you, except we'll find out
what the Supreme Court says about tariffs and the rest,
and then you'd say that this will pass too. His
takeover is not complete. It may seem complete, but it's
not complete.

Speaker 9 (01:27:15):
He's far from complete. I mean, he's acting as a dictator,
there's no question, but he is far from having complete control.
And we can still stop him. But if people become cynical,
if they go, oh, now I'm too busy. I need
to watch my baseball game or my football game, then
we're not going to get there. And it's important to
call upon leaders. I mean, where are the pastors, rabbis

(01:27:39):
and emams saying this is wrong and this is immoral.
I'm sure there are some doing that, but you don't
see that as part of a big movement. The labor
leaders shrunken. His labor is need to be standing up
and saying this is wrong. Anybody who's a moral philosopher,
and we got a whole world full of them here,

(01:27:59):
they should be standing up and saying this is wrong.
And people who believe Donald Trump is their special savior,
particularly if they call themselves Christians, really need to be
called to account because what Donald Trump is doing is violently,
disgustingly anti Christian. If you're really a Christian, your obligation

(01:28:23):
is to care for the stranger, to take in the stranger,
to make sure that they are clothed and fed. I
just taught my law class last night about the history
of debt, and we went into Leviticus, where if a
poor person has borrowed money from you and their security
as their cloak. Remember, Israel is a desert society, so

(01:28:44):
like Las Vegas, it's one hundred and twenty degrees, the
sun goes down. Now it's sixty degrees or forty degrees.
You had to give the person back their cloak, even
if they hadn't paid off their debt to you until sunrise,
because otherwise they would freeze to death or they might
well die from being too We have moral rules for
a reason, because human experience has taught us that we

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need to treat other people in a decent way. Stephen Miller.
I mean, when he was in high school at Santa
Monica High, he had to be taken off the stage
because he went into this horrible racist rant. And he's
been that way his whole life. His family has said
something's wrong with him, but he's got Donald Trump's yearly

(01:29:28):
nobody else.

Speaker 1 (01:29:29):
Yeah, I mean, this configuration as it is right now
leaves Miller in charge of a lot, and it looks
like September is going to be a big surge for
his ICE crew. They're paying those fifty thousand dollars incentive
signing bonuses to those who leave other law enforcement agencies
and join ICE. They've lowered the threshold, as you know, physically,

(01:29:51):
the weight requirements, the education requirements, everything, just want to
get more people involved in ICE. And so you have
these glorified nightclub bouncers taking some guy out of a
car wash and throwing him down to the ground like
he's a like he's a like a drug kingpin. It's disgusting,
it's grotesque to me.

Speaker 9 (01:30:08):
Well, and remember in his first term, Donald said to
police on Long Island, you know, I don't know why
you're always putting your hand on the guy's head so
he doesn't hit the doorframe. You know, you should rough
him up some. That was a clear declaration that I
am not in favor of the rule of law. After all,
people who are arrested are suspects. They're not convicted. Do

(01:30:30):
most suspects get convicted? Sure, but that's not the point.
As Blackstone taught us in seventeen sixty six, and his
words are still taught to every lawyer and judge in
the country. You know, you have to respect the rule
of law first and foremost. And the principle that better
the ten guilty men go free than one minicent man

(01:30:50):
be wrongly convicted still's hands. And the reason for that
is very simple. If you just arrest people left and right,
like I gang members I talked to in la back
in the early eighties, who were like, yeah, well, why
not go commit crimes? The laped is going to just
arrest you anyway, and they're going to put you in
prison whether you did anything wrong or not, so why not.
That's not the attitude you want to have. We have

(01:31:12):
to have very deep respect for innocence. Help doesn't have that.
Look at how he talks about other people when, of course,
in all of that he's projecting his own criminal conduct.

Speaker 1 (01:31:26):
No, the projection is insane. All right amount of time,
But I'm going to quickly push you for one more
minute and ask about the Supreme Court and the consideration
of the tariffs. To me, it seems like a huge
case looming. Should they rule and affirm the notion that
the tariffs are illegal, I mean, imposed in an illegal
way by this president, then there's going to be a

(01:31:49):
gaggle of court cases to get that money back when
businesses have gone under David because of the withering nature
of these tariffs, and those businesses are going to want
to recover damages as a result of that. Can you
just game that out here?

Speaker 9 (01:32:04):
Yes, I mean, if you claim that you are an
originalist or a textualist, or you read the Constitution its
original setting, this is a no brainer. Donald Trump has
no authority to do this. The reason that we live
in the Second American Republic under the Constitution was that
the first American Republic, the Articles Confederation, had no power
to tax and no power to regulate business. That's the

(01:32:26):
reason we have our constitution is to tax ourselves, and
we don't teach in our schools. But that's the reality
of it. And Article one the Legislative of Provision, Section eight,
the powers we grant to Congress. Clause one, the Congress
shall have the power to lay and collect taxes, duties.

(01:32:47):
That's what a tariff is, a duty, and imposts. And
except for this very limited area that's never really been
used in emergencies because it takes Congress a while to meet.
Even if you need them right away, it takes a
day or two to assemble them in Washington. The president
has no power to impose tariffs. And the specialized Court

(01:33:11):
that here's tariff cases, in its opinion laid out a
primer for anybody who doesn't understand how this works to
know that president has no such authority. The reason a
number of governments around the world are saying, oh, yeah,
we made to deal with you, and then you see
nothing's happen, nothing signed, is that you know they know
perfectly well Trump has no power to do this. And

(01:33:34):
if the Supreme Court finds some way to pretzel the law,
to pretzel the Constitution, you should really be worried that
that is the end of the American experiment. Because once
they do that. They've signaled Trump just keep going, pal
just keep gaining dictatorial powers. Dictators can impose taxes and tariffs,

(01:33:57):
and they can say, well, we're going to attack you
Mark Thompson, but not your friend who has a podcast
and lives in the house next door who we like, right,
And so it's absolutely crucial and I cannot imagine Gorsich
going along with this on Trump. I absolutely, however, believe

(01:34:18):
that you will see Alito and Thomas do anything Donald wants.
They'll find some way to some exigen circumstances. This part
of the constitution isn't clear, some sort of nonsense. So
I think the important people in this are going to
be the three liberals, Amy Cony Barrett, who has shown

(01:34:40):
some thoughtfulness and independence, and then John Glover Roberts, who
we thought was an institutionalist. It's not entirely clear anymore.
And Gorsi and Kavanaugh. I don't know, but this is
terribly important that the Supreme Court not just say these
tariffs are in illegal and constitutional, but that it says

(01:35:03):
so strongly and definitively the president may not assert powers
specifically given to Congress.

Speaker 1 (01:35:11):
Yeah, this would be a huge brushback pitch here they
come in again. I believe the beginning of next month,
right October Supreme Court.

Speaker 9 (01:35:19):
Yes, the first Tuesday after the first of October, second Tuesday, October.

Speaker 1 (01:35:24):
David thank you. Yeah, I appreciate it. David King, Yeah,
I see you next Tuesday. All right, everyone, thank you
to Vilma with a four nine super chat. I thought
that using the military as a domestic police forces against
the constitution. This will be fought in court after the

(01:35:47):
fact in most cases. Yes, sadly it is after the fact. Hey, peep,
says Luis, don't forget to play power Ball. If I win,
I will be sure to check in with the show's
larger super chat from my new home in Lisbon or
a Beza. Yeah. You can't really argue with that plan.
I like that. Yeah, I think the Powerball is up

(01:36:11):
to what is it? A billion and a half? What
is it? Albert? You followed the power Ball It's I
want to say, it's a billion and a half. And
I'm Albert, thank you. I'm not quite sure that would
be one four one four?

Speaker 5 (01:36:25):
Yeah, and what about that drawing is in seven hours?
In seven hours, maybe one of us won't be on
the show.

Speaker 1 (01:36:36):
What what is uh? I would say, Albert plays powerball.
Kim does not? Am I right about that? No?

Speaker 5 (01:36:46):
Once it gets up there, I like to dip my
hand in that jar, you know, but.

Speaker 1 (01:36:51):
You do you dip your hand in the jar, Kim?

Speaker 3 (01:36:55):
When it gets to this point, I'm I'm definitely a handipper.

Speaker 5 (01:36:58):
Yep, it depends. I think Kim has a threshold though, right, Kim,
five hundred million.

Speaker 1 (01:37:03):
Is it enough? Oh that's right. We talked about this.
Kim is like, really, you.

Speaker 3 (01:37:09):
Start pushing eight hundred million on. My eyes start to open.

Speaker 1 (01:37:12):
She's not really interested under eight hundred million. It's really wild.
She's she's over near a bill and then I'm kind
of a lottery elitist. Yeah, it's oh my god. It's
pretty exciting though. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:37:27):
I don't want to win like a million or two million,
you can keep it. I want the big prize.

Speaker 1 (01:37:32):
Yeah, there's never been anything like this. Yeah. I always
thought this was the place for understanding geopolitics. But with
a cannabis twist, Puff Puff, pass and live long. The
Mark Thompson Show says, Blue Lives forms. There you go,

(01:37:56):
how about you? Blue Liz is having a good morning
from wherever you are. Blue Liz Taiwan is one of
the few places where certain kinds of CPUs can be made. Yeah,
and they have this very special chip. And that's why

(01:38:16):
I was saying, Taiwan. It's not just a piece of
real estate. There's real economic impact to Taiwan, and it's
vulnerability is real. So smash the like button like.

Speaker 8 (01:38:28):
A boss with your iron rod helps us.

Speaker 1 (01:38:31):
In the YouTube universe. If you've liked any of the show,
please wait for the breakouts. Albert will diligently put these
videos out. Conversation with V K. Johnston, for example, conversation
we're about to have with Belinda Weymouth. We drop a
lot of Blinda stuff on the weekend, and so if
you want to see what's happening in the environment, the
latest technologies that are being employed to restore various habitats, etc.

(01:38:55):
We drop a lot of that stuff on the weekend
with her. But in any case, please share those videos.
The only other thing I would say is next week
on Monday, there's an extraordinary conversation with a former scientologist.
He's just written a book, and this isn't your normal

(01:39:16):
scientology book. I've read. Going clear, I'm aware of the
many revelations around what's happening with Scientology and the Church
of Scientology that have come through the Lea remedy show
all that this is distinctly different but with some overlap
and its extraordinary life story. And I really want you
to check it out on Monday circle it. Make a

(01:39:39):
note of it, and be here Monday to hear that conversation.
It's a substantial conversation about someone who successfully got away
from the Church of Scientology, but the challenges once he'd
somehow gotten away, they were immense. And it's a really

(01:39:59):
to story. I mean, terrifically riveting, might be the way
to put it. So I check that out. That will
be Monday. All right, Belinda, I have to just I'm sorry,
I'm getting over this colds. I have to do this
otherwise there's going to be so Kim will speak to
you for one second while I am. I will speak
to you, Okay, yeah, yeah, you take pay, Yeah, you.

Speaker 3 (01:40:23):
Take a little break.

Speaker 1 (01:40:24):
Well.

Speaker 3 (01:40:24):
I will say that it's a real bummer that we
can't get to the news today because I had a
whole big lottery thing to do and now I'm so say, Aura,
suck up.

Speaker 1 (01:40:35):
That's right. I'm really sorry about that I didn't what
I didn't know that.

Speaker 3 (01:40:40):
No, So I'll just tell you this story that you know,
you've talked a lot today about Jeffrey Epstein's survivors, uh,
speaking it to the Congress and then speaking out in
front and holding this press conference. And one thing that
I don't think we did mention, or maybe you did
mention it and I just didn't hear it, is that
the survivors say they're going to be releasing their own
client list. They are going to take the steps to

(01:41:03):
release the information themselves because they say they know who
was there, right, so they can release their own information.

Speaker 1 (01:41:11):
I love that. I love that, Yeah, and I love that.
Thank you for underscoring that, because that is a way
in which the Epstein information gets out. And it's sort
of like, great, if you don't think this is true,
then sue me. Let's go to court. And the reason
no one will go to court is because these Epstein

(01:41:32):
files would be subpoenable, Right, I can demonstrate the veracity
of my claims and the materials I need to demonstrate
that they're in those files, and I'm subpoena in them.
So you've plus these various those who victimized. These women,

(01:41:53):
these various people. They don't want to get into a
court case, and they don't want to be haunted by
this any further, just as Trump doesn't want to be
haunted by it any further. So I think you make
a really a good point when you underscore the fact
that these women are going to stay in the picture
and they are going to up the ante even further.

(01:42:15):
The victims know the clients. What does that say? Be aware? Yes,
all right. On Wednesdays, we like to showcase news of
the environment of the planet. Sometimes there's even good news
on a planet that seems to be sadly tumbling toward

(01:42:35):
bad stuff. We do it in a segment we call
It's the Planet Stupid, the Planet Earth.

Speaker 8 (01:42:42):
Some call me Nature.

Speaker 2 (01:42:43):
I am very passionate about the planet Earth.

Speaker 6 (01:42:47):
A living, breathing planet capable of sustaining whatever life forms
we see fit to deposit.

Speaker 4 (01:42:51):
On it spot.

Speaker 10 (01:42:53):
Judging by the pollution content of the atmosphere, I believe
we have her on.

Speaker 1 (01:42:56):
It's the Planet Stupid. No, no, no, it's the planet Stupid.
Our guide for It's the Planet Stupid. Ecojournalist Belinda Weymouth
high Belinda, Hi, how are you all right, jump on in.
What do we have?

Speaker 11 (01:43:09):
Oh my goodness, I've got such a juicy, lovely, slightly
creepy story for you guys today. So we have a
huge problem with food waste. It's really enormous, particularly in
developed countries like say here the US. At the household level,
we throw away thirty five percent of the food that

(01:43:29):
we buy.

Speaker 7 (01:43:30):
It's really, really, really crazy.

Speaker 11 (01:43:32):
And it is one of the biggest causes of our emissions.
So that's at the household level, and you know, it
would include you know, restaurants, institutions, all this over buying,
and that's before we even count all the food that
doesn't even get to the supermarket because all the ugly
misshapen apples and you know, potatoes, they don't even make
it to the supermarket. So it's a huge, huge, huge

(01:43:54):
amount of waste thirty five percent, guys, So try not
to do it. But what about if, baggots, we're eating
all that food waste and it wasn't going to the
landfill creating lots of methane. Now it sounds a little
bit disgusting, but just my work. Well, here's the thing.
It sort of works on you know, quite a few levels.

(01:44:16):
The symmetry of it is kind of beautiful for the planet.
So we already have you know, small bug farms in
you know, other places in the world, but France has
now got this huge, huge one. They're called an Ova feed,
so it's an innovation. And what they're doing is they're
taking you there they are, and if you have a
live photo of it, you'll see them squirming. These are

(01:44:37):
the maggots, you know, the big larvae. But what we
have is we have these soldiers called black soldier flies,
and they used to be just in South America. Now
they're on every continent, but Antarctica, can you believe. And
the thing about these flies is like a lot of
you know flies, they eat pretty disgusting things. So they
eat decaying plant and animal waste and also fecal waste.

(01:44:59):
But they're super super efficient at doing that. And one
of the amazing things that we'll get to this in
a minute, is because they have evolved to eat this
really gross stuff, they also create these incredible peptides, these
proteins which eat all the microbial nasties, so they like
little walking antibodies. So that's the thing in their favor.

(01:45:20):
The other thing is they have this really really fast
life cycle. So what they're doing in France is they
take millions of flies and they let them get together
and do fly business.

Speaker 7 (01:45:28):
What is fly business?

Speaker 11 (01:45:29):
While they spend twelve days together males and females, they
do a lot of the business of making more flies.
They don't eat anything, so you don't have to feed
them while they're doing it, which is great.

Speaker 7 (01:45:38):
They just make lots and lots of babies.

Speaker 11 (01:45:41):
By the end of the twelve days, the females lay
between five hundred to one thousand eggs, so that's a
huge number of eggs. They take the eggs and then
robots so not even people have to feed these little guys.
But for the next fourteen days they get fed and
monitored by robots and they increase their body mass by

(01:46:02):
ten thousand times. So they start out little white egg
and then they end up being that, you.

Speaker 7 (01:46:08):
Know, larvae.

Speaker 11 (01:46:09):
And then the maggots get taken out by the robots
and they get separated, so their poop goes off to
be fertilizer for crops. That's great, so that's circular, and
then they keep five percent of the larvae to produce
more flies to get back to making, you know, doing
fly business and making more babies, and then they take
ninety five percent of them and they turn them into

(01:46:31):
protein powder. Now, don't freak out. It doesn't go into
your protein powder that you're going to be putting on
your shake. No, no, no, it goes to feed fish
and animals. So it's going to aquaculture and then also
into you know, we have six hundred billion animals that
we're raising on the planet at any one time for

(01:46:52):
us to eat. And because agribusiness is so huge and
a lot of these animals live in such close quarters,
they're very prone to disease. And so one of the
things it would be great is if they're eating any
product that's made from these larvae, the larvae will have
the it will have the anti microbial you know, the
little antibodies in it, and so farmers who are using

(01:47:16):
any of this stuff for their feedstocks, for their pigs,
et cetera, will save on antibiotic medicine bills.

Speaker 7 (01:47:23):
But the other thing.

Speaker 11 (01:47:24):
That's really really super important and that I want to
mention because I'm a huge lover of the ocean, is
our aquaculture is really really tough on the ocean. You know,
because it's taking up a lot of ocean space. But
the thing that they were using to feed all the
trout and the salmon that they're raising, you know, in

(01:47:45):
these farms of the ocean, they were out there fishing
for the little guys, for the herring, for the sardines,
for the anchovies, to feed the salmon and the trout.
And that has a huge, you know, ecological toll and
takes a lot of carbon and to go out there.

Speaker 7 (01:48:00):
And you know, fish for all of those little guys.

Speaker 11 (01:48:04):
So then what the the industries that were providing the
food for aquaculture did was they went, oh, well, we'll
stop feeding them that, We'll feed them soy products. Well
where do you get soy products from. You get soy
products when you DeForest the Amazon, you know, chop down
all the trees and you plant soy. So companies that

(01:48:25):
are providing the food for aquaculture are saying, hey, this
would be really great because we would cut out you know,
two processes that we know are really you know, have
a high carbon footprint, and we would go to this
low carbon footprint of the insects, who would also have
this antimicrobial because you know, fish and fish farms also
very prone to diseases because of how you know closely

(01:48:48):
they live together. The thing is there are a couple
of so those are all the pros of it. The
difficulty with insect farming is right now, it's expensive and
they need a couple of things. They need a cheap
nearby food source. So the one that's the inner of
the feed in France is right beside these industrial they're

(01:49:13):
growing starch and sugars and they're they're feeding basically their byproduct,
they're waste into the larval farm and they're feeding them
all and there's a nearby power plant which is providing
as a byproduct as it's waste heat because the lava
need to live and the flies they like eighty six

(01:49:33):
degrees temperature all the time, especially the lava at the
level stage, and then they like between seventy and eighty
percent humidity. So you need to put the bug farm
nearby a food waste sauce.

Speaker 1 (01:49:48):
So it's all just perfectly configured, okay, yeah and out.

Speaker 11 (01:49:51):
But if you go through the article, you'll see, you
know how circular it all is. I mean even to
the point where you know when they harvest the the
lava to turn the men to do the protein powder.
You know, their poop gets separated out by the robots
to go and fertilize our crops. So it's really kind
of a when when. And also, you know our oceans,

(01:50:15):
what's one of the you know, so there there are
a lot of things that are hurting our oceans, but
one of them is overfishing. So this would cut down
on overfishing of the small guys who we need as
feedstocks for all the bigger species in the ocean who
rely you know, on the bottom of the food chain.

Speaker 7 (01:50:31):
You need all those guys. And then the other thing,
what else is the ocean doing.

Speaker 11 (01:50:34):
It's absorbing all the excess heat and you know greenhouse
gases that we are creating, So what if we had
bug farms that were cutting down immensely on the greenhouse
gases we were creating?

Speaker 7 (01:50:46):
Do you love it?

Speaker 1 (01:50:48):
This seems almost too perfect as you were kind of
describing it. It's like such a carefully measured relationship between
all of these different components to make this happen. It's
really extraordinary. And I love the fact that their robotics involved,
so you know, you basically have automated everything and kind
of you just you hit the on switch, and I

(01:51:08):
understand it's being monitored, but I'm say that the process
seems to be enormously clean.

Speaker 11 (01:51:15):
You know, yeah, yeah, well this is the thing, because
you don't want to create a solution that also comes
with a problem, and this, you know, what they're doing
is so what these companies have done is they have
identified between thirty to forty other sites where one of
these bug farms could be built in Europe. There are
fifty sites here in the US. And they just really

(01:51:38):
make sense because we want to use the heat that's
coming out of a power plant. We want to use
the waste that's coming out of a corn factory that
there's one end of a feed has made has got
two deals going round right now with big food giants here.
One is ADM and the other is Cargol, and they're
looking at building one of these farms in Illinois and

(01:52:00):
be right beside this corn processing plants, so they would
have feedstock right away for the lava. And if we
can use the heat as you know, a byproduct of
waste from power plants, but turn it into something that
the bugs need. You know, we're we're using everything and
we're making it circular and we're not adding to the problem,

(01:52:21):
and we need to use all our waste products. And
when we've talked about this before on the show and Kim,
this one's for you. Some of these flies and bugs
eat plastic. Now, I hope that they break the plastic
down into the carbon, hydrogen and oxygen, which you know
makes up the molecule that is plastic. The hydrocarbon, I
don't know, be a bummer if they just you know,
made it into smaller bits of plastic.

Speaker 7 (01:52:43):
To be continued on that note. But but we just
you know.

Speaker 11 (01:52:46):
We know that the world, you know, and our landfills
are just fill of you know, they're full of waste
and tons of it is food. The amazing thing that's
happening is I mean people are even having little bug
f you know, on their kitchen counter and their houses.
I mean I used to have a worm farm outside
my back door until I just decided I needed to
do composting on a you know, bigger scale. The worms

(01:53:09):
couldn't keep up with how much compost I was producing.

Speaker 1 (01:53:12):
Well outside your back door is one thing on your
kitchen counter to me is a little little much. But
but your points well taken, which is that you can
start the sustainability at home. I guess it's the idea.

Speaker 7 (01:53:23):
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 11 (01:53:24):
And the thing is this is, you know, it's really
a no brainer. I mean, the problem that they're finding
right now is that that the you know, it's a
bit yucky. And it's a huge change because you're going
from all the soy and all these little fish that
we've been using to you know, feed our aquaculture, to
feed our agribusiness animals, and and it's.

Speaker 7 (01:53:47):
A pivot, but it's a super sensible pivot.

Speaker 11 (01:53:50):
And so you know, if they can raise the money,
which is great that they have these deals with cargo
and adm here, and if they can you know, take
it up from reducing you know, you know, from dealing
with a few you know, thousand tons or you know,
producing a few thousand tons of this protein powder to
wrap it up to millions of tons. And again, like

(01:54:11):
I said, it's not going to be a new protein shake.
We're going to be feeding it to the livestock that
we eat. You know, we've kind of we've got this
win win.

Speaker 1 (01:54:19):
So well, it's the scalability seems there, as you say,
there are all of these different sites that you identify
across Europe. There are all these different sites that you
identify across America, and it's sort of a it's a
sustainability cycle. It seems very very clean. It's kind of exciting. Actually,
I would hope that sure the ripple effects as you suggested.
You know, it's a change, it's a pivot, as you say,

(01:54:41):
but it's an exciting one at that perhaps, So.

Speaker 7 (01:54:45):
I think it's cool. I think it's so cool.

Speaker 11 (01:54:47):
I mean, you know, we used to have a restaurant
out here near the Santa Monica Airport, an Asian restaurant
that serve different crickets and things that you could eat,
and they are an incredible source of prices. I mean,
you know, I know, I know, yummy, you know, it
was sort of.

Speaker 1 (01:55:02):
No, it's actually we're we're not ordering from the cricket
menu tonight, thank.

Speaker 11 (01:55:05):
You, though crunchy, crunchy, spicy, but we you know, we
it's it's like I say, you know, and I feel
like a broken record, but you know, we've got to
use all the levers. We've got to use everything we
can to lower our missions to be kind to our planet.
We really have to really help our Beleagal Ocean. And
so if we could stop this overfishing of the of

(01:55:26):
the little fish, if we could stop the crash that
will happen to populations above it because their feed stocks
are taken to feed other fish that we then eat.
You know, we've got to be right size. And we've
got to remember, you know, we're an animal on this
planet too, So we have to fit. We have to
make we have to make our food chain and how
we operate on the planet fit in with all the
other things that we absolutely rely on, you know, we

(01:55:48):
and just.

Speaker 1 (01:55:50):
Such a good reminder. Yeah, I mean, it's it's it's
a fragile ecosystem, you know, and so trying to manage
sustainably is the ongoing challenge. I'm out of time. I
gotta refer everyone to Belinda on social media. Weymouth is
w A Y M O U t H. You can
find her here on Wednesdays with this segment. And we're

(01:56:11):
so grateful always thank you, Belinda.

Speaker 7 (01:56:14):
My pleasure.

Speaker 1 (01:56:15):
All right, Welenda Weymouth. Everybody that's it's the planet stupid.
Forty day more, it's the planet stupid. No, no, no,
it's the planet stupid. Next time, only on a Mark
Thompson show. It's the Mark Thompson Show. Who's Mark Thompson?

Speaker 8 (01:56:48):
When they rated malgo God didn't lock that?

Speaker 1 (01:56:53):
Ooh what? Uh? We are about done? I can't believe it.
I know. I am going to put on my little
Mark Thompson Show cruise socks, which you can get at
Getmarkmirch dot com. There's a full merch line that's very exciting,
and for fall there are Cardigan sweaters. It's a pretty
cool setup. So in addition to our wonderful seasonal teas

(01:57:18):
which I was rocking earlier this week, uh, we have
the the cruise socks, the Cardigan sweaters hats for fall. Yeah,
as you tea up with all your NFL stuff or
all you you know, America, we're bent on the NFL.

Speaker 5 (01:57:36):
Nothing like any of your NFL jersey under the Mark
Taunton Show cardigan.

Speaker 1 (01:57:42):
I love that. Yeah, I should have no problem working
the NFL jersey under the cardigan with.

Speaker 5 (01:57:50):
The bucket hat. Maybe the bucket hat.

Speaker 1 (01:57:51):
Yeah, bucket hat's a favorite of Richard Delamator and all
I can say is check it out. The cruise socks
my personal fave. The perfect stocking stuffer is a pair
of stockings. So there you have it. But with that,

(01:58:12):
I must wrap up. Albert, I don't want to do it,
but I've got to do it. Kim, I don't want
to do it, but I know you want to get
over to your after party scene. Everyone, I want to
thank you for participating in the show. Hi, Mark, Kim,
and Albert. I love fried locust from Osaka, Mexico. Yummy,

(01:58:37):
you should try it, Mark says chaplain Fred for with
a five dollars super chat. Wow. I don't know. I
try to avoid eating stuff that you know had a mother,
even locusts yeah, even locus kind of. I don't know,

(01:58:58):
but I appreciate your debticate. Richard delan thank you for
your service. Richard Delamator says, no, it's one already. Now
what am I going to do? Yeah? It's one on
the West coast, Richard, it's four on the East coast.
Getting late. It's not fall yet, says revp. It's still summer. Yeah,
rock the T shirt and the bucket hat is Richard

(01:59:23):
Delamater approved. Apparently, thank you. Belinda says Jane. Oh, don't
do it. Mark says zero sum. I don't know what
it is. But I hope I don't do it. Really
appreciate everybody's input today. Do I have anything else to
do before I wrap up? Albert, I ask you.

Speaker 5 (01:59:45):
I think that's it. It was a great show.

Speaker 1 (01:59:47):
I thought it was a great show, added with a
surprise the return of John Rothman and a sprinkling of
David K. Johnston. I know I kind of loved it too.
There will be a show tomorrow. And you know, in
keeping with that, somebody was asking a legal question. Let
me just see if I can find it. Angel in

(02:00:13):
the Bay Area says survivors and victims, we will not
disappear with a ten dollars super chat. Yeah, there was
some great I thought a great display of support for
victims today on Capitol Hill. I just made a call
to Mike Johnson to go rip him a new one
about Epstein and Governor Jeff Landry to protest the new

(02:00:34):
ice expansion in Louisiana. Left his best as Kimmy Smith.
Thank you for the ten dollars super chat. Wow, and
now I leave you to show Stevens for the Mark
Johnson show shadow Bye bye, Thank you everyone. We'll pick
up with the law by the Supreme Court and more.
Tomorrow with David Kats. Until then, we're out of time.

(02:00:55):
Bye Bye.

Speaker 2 (02:01:11):
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