JD Vance Sneaks Off to Murdoch’s Ranch Before WSJ Epstein Article Drop—No Press, No Notes 7/21/25

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Oh, everybody, thank you. I'm you know. The waiting is
the hardest part, isn't it? I agree? And it is
a land. We have an mit trained the errologist joining
us in the in the second hour, Gary Dietrich. The
political ninja in the first hour is really something special.

(00:25):
Kim is here, Kim, how are you?

Speaker 2 (00:27):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (00:28):
And Tony is Tony. Actually, you've probably had an incredibly
busy weekend, don't you do? All the Angels games? And uh?
Is that right?

Speaker 3 (00:38):
When it fits in my shift? Kind of thing because
I worked set blocks, so I didn't see it. I've
missed all the games, but I heard they did well well.

Speaker 1 (00:46):
I appreciate always you working us into your shift, and
I want to acknowledge that I had a lot of
great interactions with viewers and listeners who got in touch
with the show over the week. You can always reach
us anytime, day or night. Our email address is the
Mark Thompson Show at gmail dot com. I'll try to

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sort the important from the unimportant, as the important from
the unimportant as we continue today. I say that because
I think the Epstein thing is once you acknowledge the
profound awfulness of everything that Jeffrey Epstein is it is
at once unimportant in terms of the relative importance it

(01:37):
has to everything else going out in America, ice agents
and the modern day stassy brown shirt. Whenever you want
to characterize this crew of unmarked FEDS who come through
cities and remove people who are both here in the

(01:59):
country awfully and also while undocumented, still trying to operate
within the law, headed to immigration hearings, et cetera. When
you put it up against some of that which is
going on, the chaotic tariff policy, you know, these things,

(02:19):
I'd suggest, the building of these concentration camps, et cetera.
There's a there's a there's a lot going on. And
I guess what I'm trying to say is when you
put Epstein up against those things, it really pales. You
can argue in comparison, but the reason it doesn't quite

(02:40):
take complete back burner status. And again I'm leaving a side.
It's sallacious, it's clickbaity, it's all of these things, of course,
but its political relevance is immense because the president cares
desperately about swimming away from it, and the more he

(03:01):
tries to swim away from it, the more he is
swept under by it, and so in this sense it
is enormously relevant. And so he will get to the
latest Epstein developments and maybe the bigger plan that is
at least being talked about by Republican and right wing powerbrokers,

(03:27):
the three D chess of removing Donald Trump, allowing Donald
Trump to fall, and setting up for Act two which
wouldn't involve Donald Trump. So I will get to that
as we continue, and I'll bring it up to Dietrich,
who you know, usually can tell me. Come on, Mark,
it's this is a common thing. Mark Thompson Show. Yeah,

(03:51):
the press talks about stuff. It's not so uncommon, et cetera.
Shout out to John Lovetts whose birthday it is today?
Apparently I'm just seeing you know we have the birthdays
are usually something if you join the chat in our
show before we go on the air. Who does the
birthdays every day? There's somebody who does the birthdays before

(04:15):
we go on the air, anybody, Kim Do you ever
notice it? Or yeah?

Speaker 4 (04:20):
I see it every day and I forget who posts it.
I'm looking, I'm scrolling back to look.

Speaker 1 (04:25):
Yeah, but anyway, he noted John Lovett's today, So cheers
to cheers to John.

Speaker 4 (04:32):
Yeah, I have a big announcement. Moments ago, my daughter
passed the test at the DMV to get the California
Driver's permit, not a license, just the permit, which means
now I have to take my life in my hands
and get in the car with her.

Speaker 1 (04:46):
Well, what I would say is, at first it's very
very exciting. Of course, secondly it's a freedom for her,
which is nice. You're right, anxiety for you, but maybe
just a heart beat away from her becoming an uber

(05:07):
and lift a driver and everything go yeah, beginning to
oh yeah. We have some Uber and Lyft drivers who
have been a big part of this show through the years,
and I'm sure they'd be all too happy to interact
with Julia and show her the most efficient and cost
effective way to go. Yeah. Uh yeah, I know, my

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head looks like it's floating. Somebody says, because it's the dark.
I don't know. I don't know what to do about that, Tony,
What I don't think there's a second. Yeah, what is it?

Speaker 5 (05:40):
I blame you.

Speaker 3 (05:41):
Isn't that what you need the back light for to
separate you from the background. Yeah, TV, No, you need
the light like the light from above shooting like down
down on your back.

Speaker 1 (05:51):
Let me, I'll get that going is and my shirt
is dark.

Speaker 4 (05:55):
It's not help that you can't wear black, otherwise you
look like you're, you know, just ahead against the black.
That's all right, we'll just move.

Speaker 1 (06:03):
I just don't know. You could just do it in
a gym like me. I don't exactly. I just need
to chance get another stylist in here to do the
the entire thing, all right, Adam, a light in the
corner shooting down? Yeah, okay, I've got to get a
light in the corner shooting down. Put that on the list, please,
it's a It's important, I know, and we will get

(06:24):
it done, all right. So the only reason I'm here
because you were a friend. All right.

Speaker 4 (06:29):
So we're redecorating the Mark Thompson studio. Yeah, a lot
of other YouTube hosts have Neon signs behind them.

Speaker 5 (06:38):
Maybe we should think Neon.

Speaker 1 (06:40):
I have some of my arcade. I I don't know.
We can live, laugh, love, write something you can take
yet not that live left yell? Yeah, I would say
we could take a meeting on it. Maybe you put
it up as a pole, but I am I'm not

(07:01):
I'm not loving I love neon. Yeah, I'm a vague.
Would you like to apologize for what you're doing? I
know I can't. I'm going to get the lamp.

Speaker 4 (07:09):
You know that your name and lights behind you.

Speaker 1 (07:11):
Now, I just don't. I don't know if I love
the neon in this instance. But anyway, well, we could
take a we can take a meeting on it. I
did want to tell you that the weirdest story of
the end of the week is not political. Okay, if
I can just start something that's not political. A neon
sign that says processes, protocols. Yeah, processes, approach, calls and standards.

Speaker 4 (07:37):
Perfect.

Speaker 1 (07:37):
That's a great idea. We should get some kind of
rolling sign. But anyway, live laugh, love about above a
wine stand, says Roger. Well, we're now we're writing. I
love it. We're writing the An older Mark tom Show

(08:02):
episode was cited and replayed on Midas Touch earlier.

Speaker 4 (08:06):
Today, which I wonder which one it was?

Speaker 1 (08:08):
Yeah, me too, Wow, I don't know. Classic Mark Thompson
time waster, offers Daniel Martin. This does feel I don't
know if it is, but classic Mark Thompson time waste.
It feels adjacent to that all right, let me just
share something with you that a time zone clock, so

(08:31):
that's sort of more my thing. I'm a clock guy,
but yeah, I'm an old er. Yeah, that's right. To
remind me of the fact that you know that world
has passed. I did want to get into the Epstein
story how it's affecting Trump politically, and I will do
a lot of that with Gary Dietrich, So don't worry

(08:53):
if you're here for that. I will get to that.
And as I say, the three D chess of what
might be in the works when Murdoch meets Vance, et cetera.
I'll get to that story as well. The weirdest story
I think, maybe not the weirdest, because there's always you
can offer something weird, but pretty weird Mark Thompson Show,

(09:15):
Pretty Weird was the story about the woman who is
finally breaking her silence. Kim, the wife of the Long
Island man who is killed in that freak MRI accident.
So weird she's breaking her silence. Kim, she had silence

(09:37):
and she's now breaking it. Apparently he walked into an
MRI room wearing what was termed a necklace initially, and
the reason I say it was termed a necklace, is
because every the accurate report that I have seen suggest

(10:05):
that it was one of those big chains, Like it's
a necklace, I get technically, but it's a large grade metal,
you know, big heavy chain, A twenty pound chain is
what it was. And he uses it for weight training,
so he wears it on his neck. I guess it

(10:26):
builds strengthen him generally. And he's wearing this thing and
he walks into the MRI scanner room.

Speaker 4 (10:35):
Right, that's not just a necklace, that's a twenty pound
piece of metal on your.

Speaker 1 (10:39):
Neck, right, yeah, right, Okay, so they say, you know,
don't they tell you to take off all metal blah
blah blah blah blah.

Speaker 4 (10:49):
Anyway, he walks in thinking the MRI is over. His
wife is getting an MRI of her knee and he
thinks it's done and he's going to help her off
the table.

Speaker 1 (11:00):
Yeah, And apparently the MRI machine, the magnet is so
strong they say it could it could yank a wheelchair
across the room. It's that kind of intense magnetism. And

(11:24):
Tony's showing it to you now, like that's what it
looks like on the inside.

Speaker 4 (11:29):
Spinning magnet.

Speaker 1 (11:30):
Yeah, yeah, and they tried, both the wife and technician
tried to pull him out of the machine, but they
said it was impossible. And these magnetic resonance imaging machines
are so very powerful that it all happens so very

(11:52):
quickly that he was killed by it. He was rushed
to the hospital. His wife says, he suffered several heart attacks, yeah,
and died. He went limp in my arm, she said.
And this is still pulsating in my brain. They're continue
to investigate it, but it would seem to be those

(12:14):
details that we've just related to you to be the
pertinent details. I suspect there's no further investigation needed. And
what a weird way to go. I tell you, that
is a that is pretty brutal. That is really pretty brutal.
It's wild that he thought it was over, you know,

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but I guess he did, and sadly he has gone
Mark Thompson Show. All right, now, I am bound by
my pledge to you to run out all of the
madness that comes out of the White House, regardless of

(13:03):
who's in it. I am bound to share with you
the fact that over the weekend, and I guess maybe
when did this drop? The video of Obama being.

Speaker 4 (13:15):
Arrested sometime overnight I think, but it was posted sometime
over the weekend by Trump on truth Social.

Speaker 1 (13:23):
So Trump on his social network, on his social network
posted this video of Obama being thrown to the after
this long, I mean it is way long. This video
needs an editor, desperately, one Democrat after another saying, no

(13:44):
one's above the law. No one's above the law. No
one's above the law. And the eighty six second clip
begins with all of that footage and then it goes
into this AI footage of Trump and Obama sitting in

(14:05):
the Oval office, and then Obama is detained by FBI
agents and then dressed in a jumpshoot. We're showing it to.

Speaker 4 (14:14):
You now obviously all AI, you.

Speaker 1 (14:17):
Know, yeah, and then Trump smirks as his predecessor is
taken away. Is what is noted? So I have two
thoughts on this, and there's a shot of Obama in
the jail cell. First of all, AI is a scary
good the what they can do. Although that was a

(14:38):
hack job because as Tony said, that probably took them
like ninety seconds to do that. It was so not
reflective of anything well done, too long, clunky. But once
you get past that part, it's just astounding to me
that something as juvenile as that is posted by the
President of the United States. It's just amazing. I mean,

(15:02):
how far we've fallen. Is an astounding fact that trolling
a past president or other political figures is something that
the President of the United States does. He doesn't do
it once in a while. He aggressively does it. This
president is all performative. Donald Trump has policies heinous, awful, aggressive, gruesome,

(15:30):
grotesque policies when it comes to immigration, when it comes
to the economy, the ham fisted way that he is
doing all these things, so at least that's really precedenting.
These policies are awful, But it coexists with this adolescent
flex he has, which is stuff like that, which is

(15:54):
reposting some ai of Obama being thrown to the ground.
And of course he's got a thing for Obama because
of that speech that Obama made when he was doing
the correspondence dinner and he nailed Trump repeatedly, right, and
he was after Obama prior to that, you know, the

(16:16):
birther thing. All of that.

Speaker 4 (16:19):
It smacks of some type of racism. And when I
saw that, like, oh, let's arrest the black president and
throw him to the ground all that and treat him
like a criminal, it did smack of racism. But you
know what, I think, really it's Trump who should be
embarrassed by that. It's Trump who should be embarrassed by
posting that. And I think everyone knows that that's just.

Speaker 1 (16:40):
Trump is the messiah of the adolescent bully. John Watson.
I think that's a decent take. It just really does
feel adolescent bullying. That's a really great take on it.

Speaker 4 (16:51):
Can we're reminded the person who's actually really been arrested
and booked with a mugshot is Trump?

Speaker 1 (16:57):
Yeah, arrested for what posted by the convicted felon. Yeah,
it says a copper. I will say this that Tulsea
Gabbard has come out with this intelligence I'll put it
in quotes a little bit. I mean, she is DNI
Director of National Intelligence, and she is saying that Obama

(17:19):
and others are guilty of treasonous conspiracy because they amplified
the amount of Russian interference in the election that Trump
won against Hillary Clinton. Okay, so we're still doing that dance.

(17:40):
So she's saying that Obama and senior officials in the
Obama administration had quote laid the groundwork for a year's
long coup and laid that groundwork against Trump after his
victory over Hillary Clinton by quote manufacturing intelligence to suggest

(18:01):
that Russia had tried to influence the election. That included
using a dossier prepared by British intelligence agent Christopher Steele
that they knew to be unreliable, Gabbard claims, So she
is on team Trump, and she is now again concocting
her own dossier of materials to support how lawless the

(18:24):
Democrats under Obama were. Their goal was to subvert the
will of the American people and enact what essentially was
a years long coup with the objective of trying to
usurp the president from fulfilling the mandate bestowed upon him
by the American people. She goes on, no matter how powerful,
every person involved in this conspiracy must be investigated and

(18:45):
prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law to ensure
nothing like this ever happens again. So she you know,
it's weird. Telsea Gabbard is a wild story, and I
won't get into it heavily here. But she was a
Democratic member of Congress, and she flipped and has become

(19:09):
a true believer, it would seem in a lot of
the things that animate magaworld, and she has certainly fallen
in line and embraced her power as she supports this president.
I mean, let's just look at what she said about Iran.
Iran's not close to a nuclear weapon, is what she said. Originally,
you know, our intelligence reflects that. But then she got

(19:33):
the memo from the White House saying, you know, we're
going to get involved in this, and all of a sudden,
I say, oh my god, I'm sorry, I didn't read
the last page. Apparently earlier Iran wasn't close to a
nuclear weapon. But I'm just seeing that Iran could be
hours away from getting a nuclear weapon better Bombum, that

(19:57):
was Tulsey's reversal. So I do want to get into
something else that's going on, But that happened over the
weekend and late Friday, and I just wanted to give
you a sense of that. And the thing I wanted
to really at least touch on is something that I'm

(20:19):
hearing more of a buzz about and beginning to see
in published reports. And then something happened over the weekend
that was quite important. So Mark Thompson show the secret
visit to media mogul Rupert Murdoch's ranch from JD Vance.

(20:40):
JD Vance visits Rupert Murdoch's ranch, no press, no notes,
all conspiracy to set up the next act. We'll see
hardly this happened, and it was not while the news

(21:07):
broke this weekend. It happened the actual meeting about a
month ago. Isn't that right, Kim?

Speaker 4 (21:13):
Yeah, June eleventh. Air Force two lands in Butte, Montana
at about two thirty pm June eleventh, and doesn't leave
until after nightfall. And according to the Associated Press, JD
Vance went to Rupert Murdoch's Giant Montana ranch a little
more than an hour away from the airport and had

(21:33):
a meeting with Rupert Murdoch, his son Lachlan, and several
other executives of Fox News. We don't know what they
talked about. And then after the meeting, mister Vance and
his wife went on a little hike and then left.

Speaker 1 (21:47):
Well, it's a beautiful place the Murdochs have up there.
Just a little something they picked up, I think on
a weekend rolling through that beautiful country. It's a two
hundred and eighty million million dollar estate. And there's a
lot to be said about the relationship between Murdoch and

(22:08):
the Republican Party. Traditionally, Murdoch has animated the Republican Party agenda.
He's done it through the Wall Street Journal, He's done
it through Fox News Channel, He's done it through all
his Fox stations. Now, of course, Rupert Murdoch embattled right.
Wall Street Journal went forward with a Jeffrey Epstein piece.

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The piece that demonstrated on multiple bits of reporting something
which we on one level knew, which is the relationship
between Donald Trump and Jeffrey Epstein and the close relationship.
Also that it was informed by a skeazy, sort of

(22:48):
sleazy obsession with girls. I'm going to say. I mean
they were sub eighteen, and even their pageants that they
put together, they did these sort of modeling agency related
are you good enough with your look to make it

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into modeling? They did these kinds of mini pageants and castings,
and that we know about. But the Wall Street Journal piece,
it showcased a birthday card that had this weird exchange.
We touched on it last week, Donald Trump's signature on

(23:30):
this graffitiized thing. But the answer is on all of
this stuff. It may or may not move the meter,
but it moved Trump's meter. That is to say, politically,
it may or may not be significant. I'd suggest the
drip drip of this is significant. But it moved Trump's

(23:54):
meter significantly enough. This one drop from the Wall Street Journal.
It was Thursday to sue them. So now he's suing
them for an absurd You know, he always picks up.

Speaker 5 (24:03):
A ten billion dollars ten billions.

Speaker 1 (24:05):
Yeah, it's like, you know, doctor evil. You know I'm
going to sue you for it. So in this case
it's billions of dollars. You have to show damages in
a defamation suit. As you're aware, Trump doesn't want a
lawsuit with the Wall Street to another. He doesn't want
it actually adjudicated. This is a way to flex and
to push back. I mean, obviously if there was actually

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an adjudication of this, there'd be depositions prior to any trial.
Depositions could include Trump being deposed, and he'd have to
be deposed. There'd be no well, I'm president, you can't
you know, I'll talk to you after the presidency's over No no, no.
Bill Clinton was deposed he was president, and that whole

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thing that was also you know, sex related, and likewise
Trump would be deposed. This isn't going to happen, but
I'm just saying these are the things that would happen
if Trump really presses this case, and then you'd have
under discovery, you'd have all of these revelations and all
of these details about Jeffrey Epstein and Donald Trump, and

(25:13):
all the places in which Donald Trump's name shows up
alongside Jeffrey Epstein. You'd have all of the travel manifests.
All of these things would have to be admissible. Otherwise
you can't prosecute this case, adjudicate this case, run this
case out in any kind of responsible way. This is

(25:33):
the way the law works. Regardless of how you think
you're going to game it out, mister President, you will
have to be exposed in all these ways that you
don't want to be exposed. You don't want to sit
there for a deposition, and you certainly don't want all
of this information being revealed. Now we'll talk more about
this with Gary Dietrich. That is to say, the overall

(25:55):
weight of this Epstein thing. I think it's only significant
because of its political relevance, because of the weight that
it is producing on Trump's presidency, and of course the
real cost, I mean, the very real cost of the
Epstein victims. I mean there were north of a thousand
boys and girls. It was a true human trafficking operation,

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and it was It's so grotesque that the idea that
you could be alongside someone like that for so long
and not and be cool with it. I mean, there's
sort of an implied consent. That's pretty brutal. But back
to jd Vance, jd Vance Murdoch, that relationship is important,

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and it becomes even more important now because of the
embattled nature of the Trump Murdoch back and forth.

Speaker 4 (26:51):
Can I just tell you that the only thing on
the President's schedule today when I looked at you know
what the president is doing today lunch with jd Vance.
So that'll be an interesting meeting.

Speaker 1 (27:03):
Yeah. Read about your meeting with the Murdocks last month.
The question becomes could there be an act too that
the GOP sick of Trump? Okay, here's how the conspiracy works.

(27:24):
Sick of Trump. He's become so radioactive with his posts,
with his reckless policy. And I think that, by the way,
the latter, the reckless policy, particularly economically, is what concerns
the GOP, how they're torching their own districts while they
fall in line on his parade. When it comes to

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economic policy. They passed his bill, now the clawback these things.
I mean again, this is how the conspiracy works. At
some point, they begin to wreak havoc, the American economy
begins to suffer, those GOP districts begin to really be threatened,

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to the point that maybe the Democrats win big and
so Trump loses power. Now this is the part of
the conspiracy I don't quite get, Like, I don't understand.
Are you talking about removing Trump? How would you remove him?
I don't quite understand how that would happen. Would you release?

(28:26):
Would the Epstein files be released to the point that
those details so salacious would somehow affect him? I don't
think they would. I don't think there is any detail
in the Epstein file necessarily that would affect Trump. Now,
obviously Trump disagrees with me, he doesn't want anything out there,
But I'm just saying that would end his presidency. No,

(28:47):
but on some level, you can't tell me that Murdoch
and those people on the far right haven't gotten what
they need out of Trump already and perhaps are sitting
down over coffee with JD. Vance and looking at Act two.

(29:09):
That's the way the conspiracy goes. And it's a fact
that Vance was there meeting with Murdoch. So in this
shadow of this lawsuit, one wonders.

Speaker 4 (29:19):
Could he have been there to convince Murdoch not to
run the Wall Street Journal piece.

Speaker 1 (29:23):
Perhaps could be. We don't know, Mark, what are the
chances of Glenn Maxwell testifying before Congress? Yeah? She could?
You know? Thank you, Tony. That's a great question. I'll
ask Gary Dietrich that question. He seems maybe better qualified
to answer it than I am. But that's the way
that piece of the conspiracy goes, and the relationship between

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Murdoch and the relationship between other wealthy donors to Trump
and agenda driven donors who feel like Trump is getting
into liability cat territory, and now that Trump is in
that territory, it may be time to plan for the
after Trump days, and the sooner the better. That's the

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way it's thought about. So we'll keep you posting. Mark
Thompson show. Well, there's a lot going on, and when
it comes to politics, this guy is just the best.
He is the political analyst for iHeartRadio also across the
CBS television stations. Our former colleague from KGO. How about

(30:30):
it for the great Gary Dietrich. Everyone, Hi Gary.

Speaker 2 (30:33):
Hello Mark.

Speaker 6 (30:34):
And yes, here's one thing we can I think at
this juncture, we just passed a six month mark of
the Trump presidency two point zero.

Speaker 2 (30:40):
I think we're going the rest to share park.

Speaker 6 (30:41):
There will be no lack of content for you and
I in the next three and beyond. I might add, well,
beyond twenty eight is going to bring its own circus
like atmosphere, and I think we're going to dip into
some of that probably, I guess today.

Speaker 1 (30:56):
Now let me ask you about this conspiracy theory is hatched,
so obviously there are a lot of conspiracy theories working.
There's the Epstein conspiracy, all the rest. This conspiracy is
more political and more about power, and it is Trump's
outserved his usefulness to us on the right. We got
what we want, tax breaks, et cetera. Now it's time

(31:20):
to figure out a way to jettison Trump because he
could affect so many of the markets in so many
negative ways that we the rich power base no longer
want him to have a hand in it. And as
a result, we're planning for Act two and that's with
JD Vance. Can you speak to that.

Speaker 6 (31:40):
I can mark, and I think we need dispatch it
this pretty quickly. Let me agree with you wholeheartedly. There's
no way to remove Trump. Okay, you can go down
every possible scenario you want, conspiracy wise, Donald Trump A
is not stepping aside B. Nobody in the Congress on
the Republican side is going to even void.

Speaker 2 (32:00):
Let's support the word I impeachment.

Speaker 6 (32:02):
Okay, there's just no mechanism realistically for this to happen.

Speaker 2 (32:06):
That's number one.

Speaker 6 (32:07):
Number two is the GOP and certain elements of it
tired of Donald Trump. Hey, they were tired of it
before this last selection. Okay, but here's the reality. Here's
the reality driving in just now stock market again another
all time high. I mean, all the doom and gloom,
just the facts don't bear out that Trump's actions to

(32:28):
date have created the economy. Right, You're gonna hear commercials
every other day from so called financial people. Oh you
better get your golden Bury. It and your dog's doghouse,
because everything's going to hell in a hand basket. The
economic numbers simply don't at this juncture.

Speaker 2 (32:43):
Mark bear it out. Now, I will say the last
piece about.

Speaker 6 (32:47):
JD vance and twenty eight and all the recuvat, and
we're ready to go ahead and annoint him.

Speaker 2 (32:52):
Look, let's look on the Democratic side.

Speaker 6 (32:54):
Twenty eight campaign, it's already well underway. It is full
skilled La Times article over the weekend. Hey, hey, Gavin quick,
playing cute, you're running for president? Okay, So, and make
no mistake, the same is happening on the Republican side.
Everybody knows this nonsense that Donald Trump's gonna run a

(33:15):
third time.

Speaker 2 (33:15):
It's not gonna happen.

Speaker 6 (33:17):
Okay, Nobody in these gop thinks that's likely to happen,
or even realistic for it to happen.

Speaker 2 (33:21):
So what does that mean.

Speaker 6 (33:23):
That means that already somewhat behind the scenes, the JD
vances and you can make your own list, right, DeMarco Ruby,
is it's good down your list?

Speaker 2 (33:31):
Maybe Ted Cruise, maybe a.

Speaker 6 (33:33):
Whole bunch of others are already talking to people about
twenty eight. That is inevitable. It happens every time. Remember
we're gonna have open primaries in both parties. What do
I mean by that? There's no incumbent?

Speaker 2 (33:45):
Okay?

Speaker 6 (33:46):
And so is there any advantage to the VP in
terms of incumbency. History doesn't bear that out very well,
with the most recent exception being George Bush after Ronald Reagan.
But Al Gore found out the hard way, Kamala Harris
found out the hard way. A bunch of people have
found out the hard way. Be a vice president guarantees.

Speaker 1 (34:04):
You about nada wow. I want to get to the
Trump presidency now, away from the future the JD Vans
as you say, who will be joined by Marco Rubio
and others who you mentioned, and get to the presidencyne now.
And I want to do it through a snapshot of
approval ratings. And I will point to the approval ratings

(34:27):
and then I'll play something for you to sort of
show how in a way the approval ratings don't matter.
So I'm going to jump ahead because usually usually the
guy telling me, usually usually the guy telling me Mark
that just doesn't matter, whatever it might be. So I
think on this one, I really agree with you. The

(34:48):
latest approval numbers, I believe This is related to if
you can, can you put it up there there? It
is Republicans. Now, these are polled Republicans on the Trump
administration handling of the Epstein case. So this is about
the Epstein case. Fifty percent are satisfied, forty nine percent
are not so satisfied. Go ahead to the second one,

(35:08):
if you would please, Tony. His general approval rating is
forty two percent. His disapproval rating is fifty eight percent. Again,
this is a CBS Newsyga poll. I'll step out of
this and just ask you if there's any significance to that.
And then I want to get to the Epstein thing
because I think while it's being played as significant and

(35:30):
the Trump people certainly think it is oddly the most significant,
I mean, there's every wag the dog kind of thing
going on to distract. I mean, over the weekend, Trump
talks about wanting to rename the commanders the Redskins and
all this stuff. That's distraction one oh one. But that said,
I want first to talk about the numbers just related

(35:52):
to his job performance. Can you speak to that.

Speaker 6 (35:54):
Yeah, I can, mark, and they're significant. Let me break
them down even further because there's other precent polls. Quinn
a pac And just came out with a new poll
that I thought was particularly interesting because it broke down
further some of the main sort of topic areas areas
that's concern and areas that Trump ran on, the economy, immigration,
et cetera. Right, all those numbers are sinking for Trump,

(36:17):
all right. He's dropped in some of them by ten
percent even a little more on his handling of X
Y Z issue and typically the big ones right, like
the economy, like immigration. Now Epstein's been added to the polling.
But those numbers are significant. They're not significant to Trump.
Why because Trump's not going to change his agenda. He's
not going to change his trajectory, and he's not going

(36:39):
to change his momentum in going after all those things.

Speaker 2 (36:42):
It's not going to change him per se.

Speaker 6 (36:44):
But the concern amongst the GOP and that you know quietly,
is what about us that have to run next year? Okay,
what about me having to run on a Trump agenda
in my purple district in you know, less than eighteen
months now, We're talking sixteen fifteen months, all right, those midterms,
and Trump's making clear and we may not have time

(37:05):
to get into this today we may, but this whole
Jerrymander seeing is particularly interesting on both the GOP side,
by the way, and the Democratic side. So we had
a dietet of that sometime Mark when we have time,
because that is really, in my estimation, maybe going to
be the big political story of this year. But as
far as as far as the numbers, Bill Mark, I
do think they're significant, but not for Trump, for particularly

(37:28):
members of the House and some US Senate candidates who
got to be concerned that they don't want to be
riding a pony with three legs next fall.

Speaker 1 (37:37):
Now that's such a great call too. That he you know,
he's a lame duck president. He knows that he doesn't
need to worry about reelection. He likes to be popular,
I think, Gary, but he'll always claim he's popular. You
could have those numbers sink into the twenties and he'd claim,
you know, people have never been happier in America, and
we're winning, winning, winning, I will to the same Mark.

Speaker 6 (37:55):
He does care about the midterms. He knows it, and
we've talked about this. He knows that it he loses
the House next fall, he is kneecapped. For the second
half of his last term, and he knows that the
people in the White House are very cognizant of this.
They have a different sort of evaluation of how vulnerable
they are already. We'll get a long way between now
and next to remember, but they're aware of it, make

(38:16):
no mistake about it.

Speaker 1 (38:18):
The thing about the Epstein polling that I wanted you
to at least comment on is that no one's happy. Essentially,
I'm just going to summarize it rather than play you
the video. No one's happy with the When I say
no one, I mean overwhelmingly. Isn't the video about two minutes?
To Tony, I just don't want to bogg us down

(38:39):
too much with the video. I think it's somewhere in
that neighborhood. It's ten I don't know what that holding up.
Ten it's ten minutes, yeah, yes, well no, it's not
ten minutes. The part I wanted to see it was
not ten minutes. It's like two minutes, all right. Anyway.
The point is that Americans are not happy with Epstein

(39:01):
handling on the part of Trump. They're not happy with
the way he's handled it in overwhelming poll after pole
after poll. I mean in overwhelming numbers, but the number
of Republican voters who put Epstein on the high priority
list of things they care about almost none. So while

(39:25):
Epstein is taking up all the media oxygen right now
and the President is obsessed with him and doing himself
no favors that way, but he's tried nothing to see here,
Let's move on, and that's not working either. But my
point is simply that I don't know that the end
of it, all Americans will care about Epstein, or if
that's more of a political story relevant because of the

(39:48):
political water that Trump may take on, but ultimately it
still is the economy and how people's lives are affected personally.

Speaker 2 (39:55):
Yeah, Mark, I think you're spot on.

Speaker 6 (39:57):
I mean, look, I heard you in the lea in
here before I joined you. There has to be and
there should be deep anger, angst, frustration. You can go
on a long list, okay, of terms that should describe
the horror of the victims of Epstein. Okay, Now the

(40:19):
question becomes and the problem. So much of this Mark
has to do with statutes of limitations, et cetera, et cetera,
in terms of prosecuting people. But to switch so let's
just have that as a base because I don't.

Speaker 2 (40:32):
Ever And I really commend you for this, Mark. I
think it's very important.

Speaker 6 (40:35):
Because we jumped to Trump, we jumped to Clinton, we
jumped to every glazy mats up. Look, there were victims
and these people are still obviously still suffering. We can't
take our focus off of that. Now to the politics
of it. Is it going to damage Trump? Look, these
kind of solations stories about Trump have been on out
for a long time, right of all different stripes. We
know that through both three different presidential elections. Now have

(40:58):
they damaged them? Well, I don't know. He's sitting in
the White House, okay, And so is it going to
damage him going forward?

Speaker 2 (41:04):
It doesn't look like right now that's the case.

Speaker 6 (41:07):
But what's interesting to me, Mark is kind of what
you're pointing out. The magabase is really making a lot
of noise about this. But are they going to withdraw
their support for Trump?

Speaker 2 (41:18):
Almost assuredly not.

Speaker 6 (41:20):
And secondly, and to me more interesting even is the
and this people would have found this incredible six months.

Speaker 2 (41:26):
Ago, a unified how do I say this.

Speaker 6 (41:30):
Perspective on any issue between the far left and the
far right, between Democrats and Republicans.

Speaker 2 (41:37):
Who in that poll you rightly point.

Speaker 6 (41:38):
Out, Mark, it's across the board, independence, Democrats and Republicans
not happy with how this is being handled, not happy
with Bondi and Trump's handling of it. When did you
ever think you would see democratic establishment and Republican establishment
people saying, yeah, you know what, I agree with you
about that.

Speaker 1 (41:55):
Yeah. I mean, there's just such this drum beat to
release this in and it's quickly I think realized that
Trump's call to release the quote relevant information or pertinent
was actually the word he used, at least in the
memo from the grand jury testimony. I mean, that's like
one one thousandth of what the file is. So I

(42:18):
don't think people are that stupid. Certainly in that right
wing media sphere, they are echo chambering the hell out
of this is bs. But the one thing that's happened
is that as the Wall Street Journal story broke, it
was odd to see magaworld begin, and when I say
mago World particularly, I'll say head of the parade might

(42:40):
be Steve Bannon begin to fall into the old line,
which is circle the wagons. They're after our guy, Donald Trump.
We got to protect him. This is mainstream media trying
to screw our guy. It is a media jihad. Forget it.
It was wild to see them pivot, you know, it
was almost like, forget about the facts. We have to
defend our guy.

Speaker 2 (43:00):
Well you know how.

Speaker 6 (43:01):
This goes, Mark, I mean, you know, when you're enemy
number one, which in the Trump base is the mainstream
media and the Democrat Party Democratic Party writ large, when
they start coming after your guy, well listen, we can
go after our guy. This is always happens in politics, right,
but you can't go after our guy. And so think

(43:22):
about this in a very odd way, Mark, this Wall
Street Journal story over the next six months may end up, well,
to your point, helping Trump with his base, helping him
because it's like, see they're coming after me again. See
I told you we can never get away from that.
So this that's going to have so many more twists
and turns before it's over. And you know, is anything

(43:44):
legally going to come out of this? I think I
heard in your leading. Is Trump going to get his
ten or twenty million dollars or whatever he's a billion
who knows.

Speaker 2 (43:52):
No, he's not going to get that out of Murdoch.

Speaker 6 (43:54):
But it helps sort of rebuild the wall of it's
us against them gang exactly.

Speaker 1 (44:01):
So Well said, Hey, I want to double back, as
you suggested, we should to this jerrymandering question and redrawing
of districts. Okay, that's under the category of redrawing of districts.
There is jerrymandering where the districts are drawn in such
a way that one party has such a clear advantage

(44:21):
oftentimes the other party can never win the district. It's
happening in Texas, perhaps that's the highest profile example. And
the redistricting and redrawing of districts is something that is
legally required. I think it was at every ten years
in response to the demography of an area that's reflected
in the latest census. So so bring us up to

(44:43):
speed here, because it is fascinating. I was reading maybe
it was the Times piece over the weekend or whatever
about it, and it's really intriguing.

Speaker 6 (44:51):
Yeah, you know, redistricting is one of the biggest snoreville
things that most voters thinks your district, I don't tear
who cares. I'll I'll tell you why you care, none
order than the master of California politics himself, the inimitable
Willie Brown, former Speaker of the California Assembly, told me
on air one time years ago, Gary, because I was

(45:12):
I was really pressing him on this security. Drawing our
own districts is the most important thing we do, okay,
because it determines the power structure.

Speaker 2 (45:21):
Right, It's all about numbers. It's all about counting votes.

Speaker 6 (45:25):
You got it, right, Mark, Typically, redistricting happens in the
two years the census happens every decade, and so the
first election cycle after that two thousand and two, twenty
twelve to twenty twenty two is when the new districts
come out. Now, in some states those get challenged because
the maps get drawn different ways. And that is the key,
all right. Some states still have it where it is

(45:47):
a completely political exercise.

Speaker 2 (45:49):
What do I mean by that?

Speaker 6 (45:50):
The legislature draws the maps and the governor typically signs
off on those. Now, if you can troll the legislature
and the governorship, you're scott.

Speaker 2 (45:59):
Free pretty much.

Speaker 1 (46:00):
Right.

Speaker 2 (46:00):
Sometimes he's get.

Speaker 6 (46:01):
Challenged in the court. Sometimes the court throws out a
set of mapps. But then in another states like California
did this, you know, remember Mark, through voter initiaive, we
now have a quote unquote independent citizens commission that draws
the district lines. Why is this so important because next
year Trump has made no bones about the fact he's
pushing the tip of the spear in Texas. He wants,

(46:21):
he said, five more Republican seats to bolster the cushion
in the House. But here's the pushback mark that's gonna
get exceptionally interesting, led by what a surprise, Gaba Newston
in California, he wants, we're not gonna put up with this.
He's looking into redrawing the California districts. The Democratic Party
and Jefferies has met with his people said we're looking

(46:41):
at New York, New Jersey, Illinois, Washington, maybe Minnesota, maybe
Michigan to do the same thing.

Speaker 2 (46:49):
This mark could create absolute.

Speaker 6 (46:51):
Political chaos in the next twelve to fourteen months because
you could easily see a scenario where people are just
rushing to draw new lines in districts. People don't know
where they're going to be running, Voters don't know which
district they're going to be in. Donors don't know who
to support. And here's the bottom line, big problem for
both parties. The way you do this is to move

(47:14):
quote unquote safe district voters into other districts. The what's
the obvious flip side of that coin, You weaken other districts.
So you might have X number of Republican districts, but
if you draw some of those voters and stick them
on other ones, Hey, there's incumbents. This happens all the time.
Say wait a minute, don't take away my base voters.
I might lose and you know what that might happen.

(47:35):
You got to be They always say, don't put you
cute in politics because it could come back and buy you.

Speaker 1 (47:39):
Well, well, that's so. Really what they're talking about in
Texas is just what you're saying. Inlay says, this last
time Texas redrew districts, it backfired, So Texas better thing
along on a hard Inlay says, you make too many
small but there is truly history to back that up.
Others might say, and I wonder if you just because

(48:00):
you're so good with California politics, Hey, I thought California
is a blue state, like the what's the big deal,
isn't I would think this is just like redistricting around
the edges. Redrawing around the edges speak to the politics
of California because they've changed a lot through the years,
and there's a lot of red in California always.

Speaker 6 (48:19):
Well there is, but as California politics always seems to
manage to do. Do you know out of the over
fifty congressional seats Mark in California, deep blue state, how.

Speaker 2 (48:29):
Many are read nine? Okay?

Speaker 6 (48:33):
Nine Republicans okay? And the Democrats are still going after them.
There's one in the Sacramento or on the top target
list for the last couple of cycles. And still maybe
this time Newsom's nemesis, Kevin Kylie.

Speaker 2 (48:45):
People may know that, and they may not, but I
tell you but.

Speaker 6 (48:50):
This Mark and some Democrats, to their credit, in their
own party, you're saying the same thing. Look, we go
down this path, we are going to absolutely imploy voter's
confidence in the electoral system. Okay, this is going to
become the ultimate political insiders game that is going to
disenfranchise millions of voters on both sides. And we don't

(49:12):
have a chance of taking the high road in terms
of electoral integrity if we go down this road, the
opposite side says, inside their own party, Democrats said, we.

Speaker 2 (49:21):
Don't have any choice. We got to do this. If
we don't do this, Trump's going to have the House
for the next two years afterwards. We have to take
the political risk. We got to do it.

Speaker 1 (49:30):
Ol Hanson says something else related to sort of the
optics of where Trump is. Trump eats an ice cream
cone while Texas is a disaster area. All says he
could at least do that in a private area outside
the reach of photographers, but no, this shows us who
he is. Texas. We've just talked about the politics of

(49:54):
Texics a little bit, and sort of in the context
of redistricting, Texas is dealing with a huge disaster, I
mean unprecedented. What are the politics of that?

Speaker 6 (50:06):
Well, the politics or disasters are always a disaster. I
tell people there's no easier way for you across the
board take partisanship out of it to look like an
incompetent president or an incompetent elected official, than to have
your something happen in your state or in your district
or in your country. That really, people say this is unconscionable.

(50:26):
Wouldn't ess all the flat that Karen Bass mayor of
LA and Gavin Newssen took over the fires in LA, right,
and we can get on a long list of this.
So I mentioned this a couple of weeks ago, Mark
that I think FEMA, maybe Trump's administration has to be
very careful. That could be the Achilles heel that can
really do some serious political damage. There was articles over
the weekend. We're just entering into the heart of hurricane season.

(50:49):
Is FEMA ready or are they going to screw this
whole thing up? This is I think something that is
going to be watched very carefully. By the way, as
far as ice cream goes, I didn't I don't know
exactly what the listeners referring to, but yesterday was National
ice cream Day.

Speaker 2 (51:04):
Whether Trump's Cohen had.

Speaker 6 (51:05):
To do it and dairy farmer's dairy farmer stuck one
in his hand and bit a photo up, I don't know.

Speaker 1 (51:12):
That's my Gary. He'll he'll put it in context somehow.

Speaker 2 (51:15):
Yeah, seriously, that happened all the time, you know.

Speaker 6 (51:18):
No, it's National donut Day and there's somebody's chomping on
a donut.

Speaker 1 (51:22):
They live. They lit up Biden the same way. How
can Biden stop for yogurt when there's this going on? Yeah?

Speaker 6 (51:29):
Yeah, you got national everything going on in our country
these days.

Speaker 2 (51:32):
Probably got a national Freedo Day for all life.

Speaker 1 (51:34):
I don't understand. I never understood why donuts and ice
cream need a national day. I mean I feel as
though that's like, uh, let's have a national uh best
looking guy and girl in high school Day. I mean,
like those people don't need their own day. They're already
the greatest looking people in high school, all right, they're
already popular.

Speaker 2 (51:53):
That goes as far as that go.

Speaker 6 (51:54):
I heard you were on the very short list for
that when you're in high school best looking.

Speaker 2 (51:59):
But here's why that happens.

Speaker 6 (52:02):
By the way, the politics of these national days is this,
and it's pretty simple, and it's relatively obvious when you
think about it.

Speaker 2 (52:08):
The industries that benefits from that are the ones that
push it.

Speaker 6 (52:11):
Okay, So it's like the Dairy Council, you know that,
the ice cream Retailers Association, whatever, whatever, people who have
always joked about hallmarks got more days than you could
put well, because you can put on a.

Speaker 2 (52:22):
New line of cards. Hey, you know, have the ice
cream damer you know. But this used to.

Speaker 6 (52:28):
Happen all the time in the state capitol of California.
Some memo would come across our Legistate of office, like
come down at noon today and you're gonna get free
this or freed out on behalf of somebody and you're
like free much, Okay, fine, let's go down right.

Speaker 2 (52:41):
That just happens all the time.

Speaker 1 (52:43):
I'm really over my time with you. I wanted to
I'm going to get into a dance on what was
going on and what is going on with immigration, and
I don't want to really leave our conversation without least
touching on it again. There have been so many immigration
missteps in my view, I've showcased a bunch of them
here on the show. I mean, these stories, they are moving,

(53:04):
they are heartbreaking, of people being a plucked out of
whatever environment and put in all of these detention centers.
I mean, the latest is an eighty two year old
who I just seen, who has been in this country decades.
But there are a lot of them. They're eighty two
year olds, they're fifty six year olds, their children are
have served in the military, etcetera. You've heard it. This

(53:25):
coexists with what is a huge media campaign to sort
of suggest that the immigration policy of the administration is
right on track. You see Christine Noman spots and you
see that there is a radio and television media buy
that's significant to sort of communicate this. The last thing
i'd say, and that I want to get your thoughts,
is this is all at a time that when reality

(53:50):
is pointing to something different than what we're being told,
which is, if you care about immigration, you care about deportations.
Barack Obama deported many more people in his administration by
this time, even the first six months, then Donald Trump has.
So for all of the performance, the theater, the media buy,
et cetera, and the heartbreak, I'd say it's been a

(54:13):
chaotic policy that hasn't really been very effective.

Speaker 6 (54:17):
Well, they have taken in lots of people, but probably
in terms of quote unquote policy effectiveness, as you know, Mark,
the number that has has actually gotten not as much
attention recently but is the most significant is the number
of border crossings, right, and those who have dropped precipitously
in some sectors of the border to almost zero on
a daily basis.

Speaker 2 (54:37):
Okay, so, but.

Speaker 1 (54:38):
Couldn't you couldn't you have that? But couldn't you couldn't
you have stopped border crossings? Gary, Not to interrupt, but
just don't have at the same time pursued this this
crazy detention policy.

Speaker 2 (54:49):
Oh yeah, absolutely.

Speaker 6 (54:50):
Now the Trump people say, well, one of the reasons
the border crossings have dropped so much is because of
the policy. Right. But I think here, here's the important
thing politically, numbers coming out just recently in the last
couple of days that now a majority of people are
saying yes. And we talked about this, I think mark
a week or two ago something, a majority of people say, yes,
you should go after criminals, right, known folks that people

(55:14):
generically use the term the bad guys, but not people
that are in the country peacefully, whatever contributing you know,
the whole story, have a job, and their quote unquote
only crime is illegally crossing the board.

Speaker 2 (55:26):
That's the dividing line.

Speaker 6 (55:28):
I think that's coming that I have said for a
while to Trump people off to be very careful about
Trumps some no backing down on Hey, if you're across
the border illegally, you're out. I don't care what your circumstances,
but publicly that's going to be a tough position to defend.
As the kind of stories you're talking about continue to
pile up.

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Remax Gold, Right on Feelings and Your Soul. The Mark
Thompson Show. Yeah, I am excited that you're all here.
We are a live show two to four in the East,

(56:53):
eleven to one in the West. Yeah, we get to
I'll be honest with you, we can kind of a
late jump on thing. We give you two hours, We
get you to two hours. Sometimes we start a couple
of minutes after the top of the hour. That's that.
We were a radio show that we have moved to
the YouTube platform because our radio station completely went away.

(57:14):
The entire station went away was wild. So I took
Kim and took Tony who was my colleague at Kfire
Radio in Los Angeles, and helped us power up here
with Albert. And we've really developed a different platform here

(57:34):
with slightly different demands. And I will tell you that
it's much different than the radio show. In some ways.
We've tried to retain kind of the radio show vibe,
which is kind of like a podcast y kind of vibe. So, yeah,
that's what's going on. Plus yeah, radio plus exactly what

(57:58):
radio people don't want cameras.

Speaker 4 (58:01):
Exactly. We need to have so much music on the
radio show. That's the one difference.

Speaker 1 (58:07):
I agree. Music was a real big part of our
lives and not anymore. So station could pay the licensing fees.
That's right, the station. That's the thing. Radio have a deal, right.
I wanted to have a conversation before we bring on
our next guest about how to say his last name.

(58:30):
He's such a distinguished professor, and I thought and kind
of I knew that we'd have a disagreement about how
to say his last name. Now, I know what you're saying, Mark,
You're someone who does a painstaking research. You're someone who
is always clear about how to say someone's name, or

(58:52):
always has great confidence about such things. Surely you Mark
investigated how he says his name, and I want you
to know I did. I did do that. In fact,
what I know. I went on his podcast sure where
he identifies himself Microbe TV exactly and I thought, Okay,

(59:13):
this is how he says his name. Sadly, I did
that last week when I knew he was going to
be on the show, and in the intervening days I
have forgotten exactly how he says it.

Speaker 4 (59:24):
Yes, is it not doctor Racanello.

Speaker 1 (59:28):
I don't think it's a hard L. I don't think
it's a hard L. I think it's rock and yellow.
It's like a NYA on the I think, but I'm
not sure yellow because an I e l O. Okay,
his name is Vincent, rock and yellow. But but you
said rock and rocking. What did you say? I'm ready

(59:49):
to go against whatever Kim.

Speaker 4 (59:50):
Said always what we'll have to ask him now.

Speaker 1 (59:55):
We're going to ask him, all right, But I just
wanted to tell you, but I'd like to get a
can I get a clear can we do the name
thing first, and then I'll bring him in for the
breakout video? Is that the way to do it, Tony,
I'll cut this fluff out. Yeah, we'll cut this stuff out.
Is just for the live stream everybody? Yeah, okay, So
it's hard to l or not. You're going hard l No, no, no,

(01:00:18):
you did you just did? You just went hard out.

Speaker 4 (01:00:20):
I'm changing my mind.

Speaker 1 (01:00:22):
Oh man, that is so lame. You know what, Kim,
I don't want you, Okay, I'm I'm disappointed.

Speaker 4 (01:00:30):
Yellow rock and yellow, that's my guest.

Speaker 1 (01:00:33):
I think that's close. I think that's close. And I'm
gonna go rock and yellow. Yeah, rockan yaloe. It's not
it's not like Latino. So it's Italian. All right, h doctor,
We're gonna bring you on in a separate in a
separate moment, but welcome to the show. And now you
can see already while you'll regret having been here. Uh

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please set your last name for me.

Speaker 7 (01:00:55):
So here's the key you'll never forget. It rhymes with
black and yellow. That's a wreck and yellow. You had
the yellow right, but it's rack not Rock.

Speaker 1 (01:01:10):
I got it, Kim. Were you right about that? Or
I think we were both right. I'll just keep half half.

Speaker 4 (01:01:17):
I think I think that we didn't get it quite right.

Speaker 1 (01:01:21):
I think I was more right than Kim though. Right
doctor All right? Uh, let me now, let me not
bring you on with the with the kind of flourished
that one should when you're distinguished. Professor Mark Thompson show
this guy is uh a remarkable person whose body of

(01:01:44):
work I think is so impressive that I'm compelled to
share it with you in part anyway. He is the
Higgins Professor in the Department of Microbiology and Immunology at
Columbia University's College of Physicians and Surgeons. He's co author
of a textbook on virology. It's called Principles of Virology.

(01:02:04):
As a post doctoral fellow in David Baltimore's laboratory at
MIT Racinello, used recombinant DNA. That's RNA, isn't it to
clone and sequence the genome of the small poliovirus that

(01:02:25):
shows up in animals. It's an RNA animal virus. Using
those tools that he had generated, he created the infectious
clone of an animal RNA virus and in this way
revolutionized modern virology. Some of that I didn't completely butcher,

(01:02:50):
but does reflect the immense honor it is to have
him here, all kidding aside, so excited to have doctor
Vincent here.

Speaker 8 (01:03:02):
Hello, sir, my pleasure to be here.

Speaker 1 (01:03:05):
Wow. I want to start on something that I just mentioned,
which is this RNA which we all became aware of
when COVID hit. We talked about mRNA, this messenger RNA,
and the idea somehow that COVID nineteen could be blunted

(01:03:26):
in its effects based on the fact that this inoculation
was going to message our bodies and our immune systems
in some way to help us ward it off. Can
you speak to both the technology and also was that
a reasonable understanding on our part?

Speaker 7 (01:03:47):
Well, as you said, you know, our code is DNA
in our body, right, But RNA is a messenger, It's
an intermediary. It's used to send information for the nucleus
out into the cell to get things done. And so
many years ago people thought, why don't we make vaccines
out of m RNA.

Speaker 8 (01:04:09):
mRNA encode all the proteins that make us.

Speaker 7 (01:04:12):
And so for many years people worked on getting that
to work, get rid of all the problems, and then
COVID comes along and we try it and it worked.
Despite the naysayers, it worked. It was incredibly safe. It
let people go back to work, and that's validated this

(01:04:33):
mRNA platform for use in vaccines.

Speaker 1 (01:04:37):
And when you say it works, what we were learning
early on was, or at least message early on was hey,
it's and by the way, I should just say this
so you know, because I know this is your first
visit to US. I think I had four COVID vaccines,
and you know I'm not. My orientation isn't against vaccines

(01:04:58):
at all. It is, in fact, trying to understand why
the efficacy of the vaccines seemed to diminish, why some
of the messaging associated with early on seemed to no
longer be applicable. I always assumed it was because the
landscape of the virus was changing, and so the vaccine
that I was getting wasn't able to actually attack that mutation.

(01:05:22):
Is can you speak to the sort of the changing
nature of the message and the changing nature of the
virology involved.

Speaker 8 (01:05:33):
Yeah, that's a tough and long question.

Speaker 5 (01:05:36):
You know.

Speaker 7 (01:05:37):
The vaccines were released at the end of twenty twenty,
and it enabled many people to go back to work,
but we had no idea how long they would last,
and we're still learning about this.

Speaker 8 (01:05:49):
The virus has certainly changed.

Speaker 7 (01:05:50):
Many times, and that contributes to the perceived lack of efficacy.
But I've had three vaccines mRNA vaccine, it's one less
than you. I have had COVID once and I took
care of it with an anti viral and if I
get it again, that's what I would do.

Speaker 1 (01:06:07):
And so and you're saying that it was easily taken
care of because you feel you'd have had the vaccine.

Speaker 7 (01:06:13):
I had the vaccines and I took an antiviral drug,
and I think the combination is the way to do it.

Speaker 8 (01:06:19):
Now.

Speaker 7 (01:06:19):
The problem is that many people have other illnesses and
so vaccines don't work as well in them, and all
of these negatives were amplified. There was some myocarditis initially
associated with vaccination, and people distrust something new, right it
was the word experimental kept popping up around mRNA vaccines,
despite the fact that right in front of our eyes

(01:06:42):
it's working, and now it's over hundreds of millions of
people and it's very safe and very effective. So I
think it's an amazing development and hopefully the naysayers will
not prevent us from going forward with other vaccines using
mRNA technology.

Speaker 1 (01:07:00):
And the disposition of the government now which has been
populated by a lot of the anti vax community, and
the leader of this anti vax community running a leader
of this anti vax community running HHS. A lot of
the funding associated with this sevent calag quite closely has

(01:07:21):
been drawn off, has been canceled, has been sidelined. As again,
the entire disposition toward vaccine policy has been suspect now
under RFK Junior.

Speaker 8 (01:07:38):
There are all kinds of problems when you install anti vaxxers.

Speaker 7 (01:07:40):
Not only is the head but the committee at CDC
that debates how vaccines will be.

Speaker 8 (01:07:45):
Used as full of nonscience anti vactors.

Speaker 7 (01:07:48):
None of these people are qualified for what they've been
appointed to do.

Speaker 8 (01:07:51):
And you already saw RFK unilaterally RFK Junior unilaterally removing
COVID vaccines from ignant women and young children, pregnant women,
which every country in the world recognizes as a risk
factor for severe COVID. Only the US now is not
going to immunize pregnant women. So they ignore the science

(01:08:13):
and just do what they would like to do. And
this is extremely disturbing.

Speaker 1 (01:08:17):
Well, I'm seeing the reemergence of measles. I mean, I'm
just astounded by this.

Speaker 7 (01:08:22):
We've had many, many cases of measles, more so than
in decades, and they could that outbreak could have been
stopped if someone had stood up and said, we need
to vaccinate everyone in these areas. But RFK Junior never
said that, and so the outbreak continues, and other infectious
disease outbreaks will likely emerge as well.

Speaker 1 (01:08:44):
Well, just on that as you game it out. Not
that you think a lot about this, but I would
think you think about it more than others. Where are
we with these new vulnerabilities that have been exposed as
a result of US policy.

Speaker 7 (01:09:00):
Well, you see, already measles is a problem. More and
more measles cases are occurring. Other vaccines will shortly follow.
I do think that his overall tone of anti vaccine
that they're dangerous, that they do worse harm than good,
which is complete nonsense. Of course, this takes people who
are right on the edge of getting vaccinated. It convinces

(01:09:21):
them not to get vaccinated.

Speaker 8 (01:09:23):
So what are we going to see?

Speaker 7 (01:09:24):
We're going to We've already seen more influenza in kids
than we ever did. We're probably going to see more
hepatitis B because he thinks that kids shouldn't be vaccinated
against that we're going to likely see more polio.

Speaker 8 (01:09:37):
Can you imagine that?

Speaker 1 (01:09:40):
You know, we have some listeners who are survivors of polio,
one of whom, as I recall, he got the vaccine,
but not before polio had already taken a little bit
of his movement away. Was he was in a specific
circumstance whereby you know, he got the polio vaccine not

(01:10:02):
quite in time, but almost in time. And he's quite
in time, but almost in time, and he's now seen
a re emergence of polio in his own life because
the polio vaccine wasn't As I say, I mentioned him
because I think he's reflective of a lot of our
listeners who see the success of polio. It was just
an extraordinary thing. It was changed the culture. And to

(01:10:25):
hear you say that we'd actually see the re emergence
of polio, it's crazy.

Speaker 7 (01:10:30):
It's totally crazy, and it's crazy for all these diseases
which are vaccine preventable, right, and polio is the poster
child of vaccination, right, Sulk and Saban developing vaccines that
got rid of paralyzed kids, no longer kids getting paralyzed
and we're so fortunate to be at that point. And
now he has gone on records saying that the polio

(01:10:53):
vaccine is more dangerous than polio itself, which is absolute
nonsense and complete disinformation. I think a lot of people
will stop getting vaccinated, they'll stop vaccinating their kids. In
a few years, we'll see outbreaks of polio really, really horrible.

Speaker 1 (01:11:08):
You're a scientist, and so I hesitate to ask you this,
but I know your podcast, which we will have a
link to, so we will hopefully show you some love
that way, because I think you talk about some good
stuff there. It is micro TV. The politics of this,
the reasons behind this. Conspiracy theories exist and get momentum

(01:11:31):
for a lot of reasons. But RFK Junior and the
US government reflecting this conspiracy theory informed policy. I'm wondering
if there's another motivation money. I always feel like something
doesn't make sense it goes back to money somehow. Is
there a monetary inducement for RFK Junior in his ILK

(01:11:54):
Maybe it's not him personally, but people around him. Why
why turn US government policy and medicine on its side
this way over an unproven skepticism.

Speaker 7 (01:12:08):
Well, I think in the case of RFKA Junior. I
think there are two reasons. One is monetary. He certainly
makes money consulting for law firms that sue companies that
make vaccines that they think have caused damaged, right, personal injury.

Speaker 8 (01:12:24):
And he consults for them, which.

Speaker 7 (01:12:27):
In any other administration wouldn't be permitted, right, And now
we see this happening. So I think that's one motivation.
You think he can make many millions of dollars a
year doing that. But the other one is he is
a zealot. He does not believe in infectious diseases.

Speaker 1 (01:12:43):
Right.

Speaker 7 (01:12:43):
He has written a book saying that he believes in miasma, right,
bad air, that's what causes everything, and viruses and bacteria
are just passengers that do nothing. So he's convinced that
vaccines have no effect, that they just caused chronic illnesses,
which now he wants to get rid of by discontinuing vaccines.

(01:13:03):
So I think it's both. I think it's money, and
he has the beliefs. He feels that he.

Speaker 8 (01:13:09):
Has been sent from above to make children better.

Speaker 1 (01:13:14):
So in your research that does continue your colleagues who
continue with research. I mean it's such high end specific
research I read when COVID hit the book about m RNA.
It's the sadly I remember so a little of it,
but the crisper technology, as I recall, where there's a

(01:13:34):
there's a splicing, you can maybe you it can explain
it or not if it's not super relevant. But I
guess what I'm asking you is, as you know, coexisting
with this policy that we just described with RFK Junior,
the anti vaxxis, et cetera. Coexisting is still great scientific
research that's going on. To what extent does that research
continue animated perhaps and you know, uh and supported by

(01:14:00):
out of pharmaceutical companies, et cetera that do this research,
And to what extent is it hobbled because US policy
now is such that a lot of the US dollars
that support that kind of research are no longer available.

Speaker 7 (01:14:13):
No, I think that Americans should be very worried because
for over fifty years, the NIH was a huge contributor
to our health. The discoveries made not just at NIH
but by NIH funded research elsewhere. We're enormous contributing to
all kinds of things that make us live longer. And
that's slowing because of the cuts in many ways. My

(01:14:36):
university lost all of its NIH funding because of arguments
with the administration, and so we're getting fewer trainees. Now,
the future scientists are not being trained because there's no
money to do that any longer. And you know these
are long term effects, but you get rid of laboratories
and research now, and then in five ten years, you

(01:14:57):
see the outcomes were no longer leaders innovation, and we
can't help our own citizens be healthier.

Speaker 1 (01:15:06):
This last thing that you just mentioned is kind of
where I wanted to finish up, which is sort of
the expected brain drain. I think what's happening in America
is two things, and I'm just curious to know your thoughts.
It strikes me that one of those things is what
you're speaking of, which is the lack of science dollars
of training. It's as though we no longer want the

(01:15:31):
leadership role that we've had in the world with all
of these different sciences coming together to produce some of
the best work in American and even world history. And
the other is our immigration policy. I think we've come
down really hard on immigrants, brilliant researchers who come here
and go to institutions of learning like yours and work

(01:15:55):
with some of the great minds in American modern history.
And those researchers are thinking twice. And in fact, I've
read chapter and verse about how they are not coming
to America any longer. They're considering other places of residence
and other areas in which they can do lab work

(01:16:16):
that will be unimpeded by some bizarre immigration policy.

Speaker 8 (01:16:19):
Well, they're not welcome. That's the problem.

Speaker 7 (01:16:22):
As you know, this country was built on immigrants. My
father was an immigrant, as well as many others. And
that's how science works, to get approaches from all over
the world. You know, the American approach is not the
only approach possible. I've had so many students from other
countries in my laboratories over the years. Then they get trained,

(01:16:42):
they contribute, they go back to their countries and spread science.

Speaker 8 (01:16:45):
There's nothing better than that. That's how it works.

Speaker 7 (01:16:47):
In the US has been an incredible engine for that.
We're admired for our research. We're duplicated and imitated in
all other countries. I don't understand why that has to
be broken. It makes zero sense at all. We had
a wonderfully functioning system of innovation. It was an economic
driver as well, besides the health benefits. And now you

(01:17:08):
just take a sledgehammer to it and break it. I'm
sure every country in the world is looking at us.

Speaker 8 (01:17:14):
And going why would they do that? Why would you
break something that's so good.

Speaker 1 (01:17:20):
I want to finish up by asking you about bird flu.
And I know we're here in California and we seen
the cases of bird flu, and I wonder if you
could just speak to where it is in terms of
its evolution as you see the virus evolve, whether or

(01:17:43):
not this is a threat. So far it seems to
be a threat, isn't this right? Doctor? To dairy workers
and to those who work with poultry, and in other words,
these are the people who work around as I understand it, animals,
they are most exposed, but they were also getting treatment,
I thought, from an inoculation or some kind of treatment.

(01:18:04):
Can you speak to this and sort of where we
are with bird flu and these viruses that is just
in those environments.

Speaker 7 (01:18:11):
So when you say bird flu, you probably are referring
to this avian influenza virus H five N one, although
there are other ones we could worry about as well,
but that's the one that's spread globally. And the concerning
part is it's spread by birds who are incredibly mobile, right,
They can go anywhere, and so they spread the virus
all over.

Speaker 8 (01:18:28):
They spread it to other.

Speaker 7 (01:18:29):
Animals, including cows in the US now where we have
this massive outbreak in cows, and also other mammals have
been infected and are threatened as well besides humans. So
humans are in contact with all these farm animals, and
so it is a concern.

Speaker 8 (01:18:46):
Right now.

Speaker 7 (01:18:46):
It does not transmit well from human to human, and
we don't know if it ever will be able to.
That's the future and we can't predict that. As Yogi said, right,
So what are we left with? It's this virus has
been circular for over fifty years. It has never become
a human virus. It doesn't mean that it won't. So
what should we do?

Speaker 8 (01:19:06):
We should be ready for it?

Speaker 7 (01:19:07):
What should We should have anti virals, which we already
have because influenza we do have anti virals at work
against H five N one, And we should have vaccines
which have been developed and continue to be developed as well.

Speaker 8 (01:19:20):
And we should do surveillance.

Speaker 7 (01:19:22):
We're doing all three of those things, and I think
we're in a better position to be ready if there
should be a pandemic caused by H five N one
virus than we were in twenty twenty when COVID emerged.

Speaker 1 (01:19:33):
Do you think that the COVID pandemic was caused by
that wet market narrative or do you think that the
narrative that makes more sense is the lab leak narrative?
Which one have you found yourself most subscribing to?

Speaker 7 (01:19:51):
Well, as you know, I'm a scientist, and what are
scientists convinced by data? And we have a lot of
data which indicate the live animal market in Wuhan as
the epicenter for the outbreak. We have data showing that
it first came from animals at that market into humans
in the All the initial cases.

Speaker 8 (01:20:12):
Were around the market.

Speaker 7 (01:20:14):
I don't see any evidence whatsoever for a lab origin,
and I know many prominent people in the world think so,
but I'd like to see their PhDs first in virology
before I believe them. So this virus, like every other
virus that has infected humans, came from nature.

Speaker 1 (01:20:34):
I love that you slummed it with us. You're a
big brain guy, and I really enjoyed this conversation. And
I've gone back, and I've watched a few of your
podcasts and I'll go back and watch more and continue
to We'll have a link to your podcast obviously under
this video. But one of the things I remark on
to myself as I watch it is you have a

(01:20:55):
great relationship with the people who watch and contribute to
your podcast. It's a really special thing. So uh, clearly
the scientist in you is paired with some other big
hearted part of you because you have a really great relationship.
But you a very great kind of across the fence
style and I applaud you for that. It's really something special. Well.

Speaker 8 (01:21:18):
As a radio person, I appreciate that very much.

Speaker 1 (01:21:20):
Yeah, uh come again, sadly. Oh there there, Tony's got
some of your your show up there. Why why is
the doctor's lighting better than my lighting? Tony? Is that?
I mean? I'm just saying, as I say, it's a
microbe dot TV. Microbe TV is where you grobe dot tv.

(01:21:42):
Microbe TV is where you can find it Microbe TV
on YouTube. And wish you well and thank you again doctor.
To you again, bravo, Mark Thompson. I love classing up
the place once in a while with a real doctor.

(01:22:03):
The thank you doctor says everyone. He's very a lot
of love for the doctor. It will be screwed by
another pandemic. H yes, we will.

Speaker 4 (01:22:13):
Let me say it's not not if, but when right.

Speaker 1 (01:22:15):
Yeah, but you know, and one of the things he
said that I actually took encouragement from was the fact
that at least on this is it H five N one,
this virus is seems to be controllable right this instant.
So I really liked hearing that. You know, but very

(01:22:37):
cool guy, you know, like he's one of those professors
that if you had him in college, go, I really
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(01:24:09):
If I can uh black on camera drops ten years,
said Scott? Is that right, Tony? Is my blackness? It
definitely drops out. You can't see anything. I don't know
if I agree with that. It's I don't know if
I can mess with the camera. While I feel like

(01:24:33):
if I maybe turned up the camera a little bit,
can I do that? No, it doesn't.

Speaker 3 (01:24:38):
I don't know what options you have to control your
camera with, so I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:24:42):
Yeah, I don't know how to.

Speaker 3 (01:24:43):
I think the only option in stream yard is the
smoothing filter.

Speaker 1 (01:24:47):
The smoothing filter. Yes, come get to know our smoothing
filter filter nice. Very interesting anyway, thank you for that.
The oh Mina's Touch had Reverend Mark Thompson from Serious XM.
I see, thank you very somebody told me that that

(01:25:08):
they were they had our show on or some piece
of our show. Love hearing you on KFI on Sunday?
Is this going to be a regular thing when I'm
around on Sunday and they ask I do it? I don't.
It's really I'll tell you guys this it's kind of
easy to do, not super far from my house. It's

(01:25:29):
only two hours, so it's like to this show, only
it's radio, so it's even easier, right, Tony, you know
what I mean.

Speaker 3 (01:25:35):
I think the radio show is the easiest thing to do.
When you count the brakes, it's like they talk for
twenty minutes.

Speaker 1 (01:25:41):
Yeah, I mean so just between us girls, it's not
like I like to you know, and I like to
show them the love. I like to support them when
I can. So yeah, they are. And let me just
see what else we have? Anything else? I need to
look at this from Jpplin fred A fifty dollars super chat. Wow,

(01:26:04):
big shout out, big shoutout us right, Hi, Mark Kim
Albert Tony Mark. Have you ever heard about child trafficking
and underground warehouses in Palmdale, California? It has been happening
for decades, says chaplain Fred. Law enforcement knows about it,
but they do not get involved. Now, A, I don't

(01:26:29):
know about this, so I don't know if this is true.
But B I'm wondering if that's related to child labor
or if you're talking about some underground, skeazy child trafficking
ring that's related to you know, sex, something horrible, you know,

(01:26:53):
I mean, they're both horrible. But wow, do you know, Kim,
you don't know anything about it?

Speaker 6 (01:26:57):
Right? No?

Speaker 1 (01:26:57):
No, let's we'll look into it, Chaplin Fred, you could
look into it and send me something on it. The
Mark Thompson Show at gmail dot com. Send me something
on this, but I'll look into it. Even if you
don't send me something. Thank you for the Suet's really
like it. That's a stunner twelve from the basis, they
didn't do anything about children getting killed at school, so

(01:27:19):
why would they do anything about kids getting trafficked by
the president. Yeah, and let's be clear, I don't know
that there's evidence that Trump trafficked to anyone. I don't think,
in fact, that was his jam. These guys, you know,
were skeezy, you know, they found their way into It's gross,
it's awful. But Epstein, I think was the real trafficker.

(01:27:44):
Is Trump demanding the Washington Commanders changed their names back
to the Redskins? Is that one of Trump's important policies?
Says Randy. Yeah, I mean it's one of his important distractions.
He's also gone after the Cleveland Indians, who are now
the Guardians, to change their name back to the Indians.

(01:28:06):
Isn't that right, Kim. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:28:08):
As a matter of fact, he says he will get
involved in the funding of some new facility for that
team unless they do what he wants and change their
name right back.

Speaker 1 (01:28:20):
He wants to bring the N word back everybody. That's
what he really That's like the next move here. It's
really pretty wild. C c Ryder says, Telsea is referring
Obama officials to the DOJ and Grassley is revisiting Hillary's
emails in an attempt to pivot from Trump Epstein's stories.

(01:28:41):
You can't make this up. Yeah, I mean, that's their
best chance is to somehow kick this up. Let's talk
about Hillary Clinton, Let's talk about the server. Meantime, Guys,
you're passing along critical information about a military strike that
has yet to happen, and you're doing it on an
un secured platform called signal. I mean, I don't see

(01:29:04):
how you have any high ground when it comes to
security of emails. There are people using their private phones
in the Trump administration, not just one or two or three,
a lot of them. They're not using government issued phones.
They're not even using government sanctioned communications. People are on WhatsApp,

(01:29:26):
people are on back channeling all kinds of things. There
are deals being made with foreign governments. I mean, I'm
giving you the Jetline review of things. Everything I just
said is googleable. They're deals being made with the country

(01:29:47):
of Vietnam. They're deals being made with the Kataris, They're
deals being made across the Middle East. And many of
these deals involve communications not on a secure platform. I'm
not defending Hillary Clinton. She's already stipulated the fact that
it was a mistake. But there was nothing in the

(01:30:09):
way of a communication, not one on Hillary Clinton's pile
of emails, that would hold a candle to the crap
that's going on right now, so they can look, they
can kick and scream and the media will pick it
up and they'll carry it and look at this, and
they're investigating. But I don't know if that shiny object

(01:30:30):
is going to really outshine this Epstein story. And the
more Trump sues and the more Trump kicks and screams
about it, the more I think it becomes shiny. So
I want to get a I really wanted to get
to I wanted to get some immigration stuff today. Wow,

(01:30:57):
but I like Kim's news. Can we what are you
think we should do here? Kim? Can we get to
your news and then I still have time for some
immigration or what we do immigration now when we wrap
up with your news?

Speaker 4 (01:31:07):
Yeah, let's do immigration because we have kind of we
have made a commitment to do it, and then sometimes
we don't have time. So I want to make sure
we get to it.

Speaker 1 (01:31:15):
Migrants at ice jail is where we will start. Please
smash the like button. I haven't mentioned it today, but
it's very important in the YouTube universe. So do that
and feel good about yourself.

Speaker 5 (01:31:26):
Let's want to use Mark Tompson.

Speaker 4 (01:31:29):
Use Mark Tompson, Mark.

Speaker 1 (01:31:33):
Tompsis let's get into some immigration. It is pretty dark.
Migrants at ice jail in Miami are made to kneel
and eat like dogs. According to this report, this is
a shocker. This is the immigration jail where they were
shackled with their heads tied behind, their hands tied behind

(01:31:53):
their backs, made to kneel to eat food from styrofoam
plates quote like dogs. This is according to a new
report that reflects conditions at three overcrowded South Florida facilities.
The incident of the Downtown Federal Detention Center is one

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of a succession of alleged abuses at immigration and customs
enforcement agencies operating in the state of Florida since January.
The advocacy group Human Rights Watch is trying to get
this word out alongside Americans for Immigrant Justice and Sanctuary

(01:32:36):
of the South. They've interviewed detainees. People were there and
that's where these reports emerge. Dozens of men have been
packed into a holding cell for hours, denied lunch until
seven pm. They remain shackled with the food on the
chairs in front of them. We had to eat it

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like animals, said one detainee. Degrading treatment by guards is
commonplace in all three jails. At the Chrome North Service
Processing Center in West Miami. Female detainees were made to
use toilets in full view of men being held there.
They were denied access to gender appropriate care, showers or

(01:33:20):
adequate food. The jail so far beyond capacity that some
transferring detainees said that they were held for more than
twenty four hours in a bus in the parking lot,
men and women confined together, unshackled, only when they needed
to use the single toilet, which quickly became clogged. The

(01:33:42):
bus became disgusting. One said it was the type of
toilet in which normally people only urinate, but because we
were on the bus for so long and we were
not permitted to leave, others defecated in the toilet. Because
of this, the whole bus smelled strongly of feces. When
the group was finally admitted into the facility, they said
many spent up to twelve days crammed into a frigid

(01:34:06):
intake room that they christened La hilera, the ice box,
no bedding, no warm clothing, just the concrete floor. At
the third facility, the Brower Transitional Center in Pompino Beach, Florida,

(01:34:28):
a forty four year old Haitian woman died in April.
Detainees said that they were routinely denied adequate medical or
psychological care. Some suffered delayed treatment for injuries and chronic conditions,
and they were treated dismissively or even hostily by the staff.

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In one incident in the downtown Miami jail, staff turned
off a surveillance camera and a quote disturbance control to
moved in brutalized detainees who are protesting a lack of
medical attention to one of their number who was coughing
up blood. All three facilities severely overcrowded, and that's they say,

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one of the reasons that Alligator Alcatraz in the Everglades
is being set up. Of course, it already is housing detainees.
It's expected to hold up to five thousand undocumented migrants
awaiting deportation. This is just one of the horrors being

(01:35:40):
wrought on these people. The ICE chief doubling down now
again the administration no apologies, no modifications, Immigration and Customs Enforcement,

(01:36:00):
saying they will arrest people who are undocumented who don't
have criminal histories. Todd Lyons, the acting head of the
federal body, said that in an interview quote under this administration,
we have opened up the whole aperture of the immigration portfolio.
That's a pleasant way to say it. If we encounter

(01:36:23):
someone that isn't here in the country legally, we will
take them into custody, he said. Of the roughly one
hundred thousand deportations that ICE has documented between January first
and June twenty fourth, about seventy thousand involved a person
with a criminal conviction. That's according to a CBS review

(01:36:46):
of internal government data, just a small fraction of those
who faced criminal convictions were involved in violent offenses. So
when we talk about a criminal conviction, we can add
the notion that these people are here in this country
without legal documentation to what could be termed an illegality.

Speaker 4 (01:37:11):
But that's not what the Trump administration or what Trump
promised when he was running right, he said, I want
to get the violent criminals off the streets. I want
to get the murderers out. I want to get the
drug traffickers out. He never said I want to just
get people out that aren't supposed to be here because
they overstayed their welcome on their visa.

Speaker 5 (01:37:30):
That's not what we were led to believe.

Speaker 1 (01:37:31):
The hard right wants everybody out who doesn't have appropriate documentation,
and in fact, the hard right, extreme right of America,
they want to rethink who deserves to live here, even
those who have gone through some kind of immigration procedure

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they feel may not deserve a spot in America. That's
where we're heading. And you're already seeing evidence of. And
then there's this ice secretly deporting a Pennsylvania grandfather. He's
eighty two years old. He lost his green card. The

(01:38:15):
family of Louis Leone say that they were initially told
by someone that he had died, but they found him
alive in at Guatemala in the hospital.

Speaker 4 (01:38:25):
If you have a green card, that means you're here legally.

Speaker 1 (01:38:27):
Right, exactly. Yeah. He was visiting an immigration office last
month to replace his lost green card. His family had
not heard from him, and initially they were told he
was dead. He is a longtime Allentown, Pennsylvania resident. He

(01:38:51):
was granted political assignment Silom in the US in nineteen
eighty seven. He was fleeting, he was fleeing. He was fleeting.
He was fleeing Chile at the time. He was fleeing
augusta dictatorial regime. He lost his wallet containing the physical

(01:39:13):
card that confirmed his legal residency, so he and his
wife booked an appointment to get it replaced. When he
arrived at the office on the twentieth of June, he
was handcuffed by two ICE officers. They led him away
from his wife. He's eighty two, he's been here since
nineteen eighty seven.

Speaker 5 (01:39:32):
Where's grandpa?

Speaker 1 (01:39:35):
Led him away without explanation. She herself was kept in
the building for ten hours until relatives picked her up.
The family said they made efforts to find any information
on his whereabouts but were told nothing. Then, some time
after he was detained, a woman purporting to be an
immigration lawyer called the family, claimed she could help, didn't

(01:39:59):
just how she knew about the case or anything about
where he was, and then on the ninth of this month,
the same woman called claiming that he had died. A
week later, they discovered from a relative in Chile that
Leon was alive after all, but now in a hospital
in Guatemala, a country to which he has no connection.

(01:40:23):
The relatives said that Leon had first been sent to
an immigration detention center in Minnesota, then deported to Guatemala
despite not appearing on any ICE deportation lists. The Supreme
Court decision I'll remind you says that the administration can
deport immigrants to other countries besides those of their origins.

(01:40:48):
In his nearly forty years living in the US, Leon
spent his career working in a leather manufacturing plant and
raised a family. He has since retired. He's eighty two.
I remind you. In Guatemala in the hospital, they're unknown,
suffer some diabetes, high blood pressure, a heart condition. The
family is planning to fly to Guatemala to see him,

(01:41:10):
and the Ice officials are denying that they had anything
to do with this, but they're looking into it.

Speaker 4 (01:41:20):
Yeah, he just flew to Guatemala to a detention facility.

Speaker 1 (01:41:23):
By it just right, just a better hospital down there,
And I felt I would get I wouldn't have to
be on a waiting list for the hospital if I'd
slipped into the detention center.

Speaker 4 (01:41:32):
I said, isn't a detention center where Americans that are
people in America are being deported? I want in there.

Speaker 5 (01:41:39):
Let me get in there.

Speaker 4 (01:41:42):
Lady Beatrice throws in five bucks, says, do we know
what legal action a judge can order against these crimes
against humanity?

Speaker 1 (01:41:51):
This is why activist groups do exist in this space,
and I'll ask, in fact, Kim, if you could just
remind me to ask Gary. I'm sorry. On Thursday from
the federal prosecutor, David Katz comes through. He's a brilliant
legal analyst, and he will tell us what legal high
ground there will be. The immigration world is being given

(01:42:15):
a lot of room to deport people. To detain people,
you'd have to take these allegations, move them to the
level of a criminal complaint, and you'd need evidence, so
there'd have to be witness testimony, et cetera. Now, all
these things you can get, but by the same token,

(01:42:36):
this takes time, and of course the immigration system works
during that time. A lot of these detainees, those who
would been involved with a court case, they might be
exposed in such a way that they don't want to
testify because they could be moved up in the deportation process,

(01:42:57):
et cetera. You see how it can get pretty calmplicated
pretty quickly. But that said, we still want to ask him.
I think it's a great question, like what can be done? Uh.
The one story I wanted to give you that just
shows how there is pushback is this one. It's human Wilder.

(01:43:18):
He's the founder of the Harlem Baseball Hitting Academy and
apparently they they went up to him and but but
more to the he's coaching, right, Caim, he's coaching a
bunch of kids.

Speaker 4 (01:43:34):
Yeah, he's a youth baseball coach, right.

Speaker 1 (01:43:36):
And he heard these ice officers going up and asking
where are you from? Where are your parents from? And
he stepped in and he said, you know this is inappropriate,
and I'm going to ask these kids to use their
Fifth Amendment rights and not say anything to you. And

(01:43:59):
he said that one of the age responded, oh, another
YouTube lawyer. So Wilder the coach asked the kids to
move to the back of the batting cage while he
talked to the agents from the only agent the only
entrance into the batting cage, and he said, I got
some tough New York City kids, so for them to

(01:44:19):
be scared, it means something that is really happening. And
Wilder said that he had reassured them by saying, listen,
I'm not going that he'd reassured them by saying, listen,
I'm not going to let anything get through me to you.
And I guess interview to after this incident. I said

(01:44:40):
to myself, I'm willing to die to make sure that
you get home, meaning that these kids get back home
to safety. I'm willing to die today, is what he
said to himself over and over. Wilder wants to make
it clear that the kids who played baseball with him
are upstanding kids, bright futures, not victims. In fact, forty

(01:45:03):
five of his players have been drafted into the Major League. Wow,
he said, we graduated four hundred kids out of college
who walk around with degrees from Stanford and Princeton and Harvard,
all African, American and Latino kids. He said, So we're
not going around saying poor little us, because we do
very very good work here. In the end, he says,

(01:45:23):
it all comes down to protecting others. But the idea
somehow that ICE agents are going on to these baseball
fields this way, I mean it's just, hey man, how
low rent do we have to get? I mean it's
kind of what Kim was saying. Really, you know, you
said violent criminals, and now you're going onto batting cages

(01:45:46):
and playgrounds to round up kids to ask where their
parents are. I mean, this is an American and the
ICE agents who do it. Who say, oh, another YouTube lawyer.
I kind of think guys find another line of work.
Law enforcement needs you across any number of specific professions

(01:46:11):
within law enforcement. ICE is an ugly, ugly face, and
sadly they're hiring more and more people because they just
got more money, a staggering amount of money to supercharge
that agency. It's wild anyway. That's a bit of what's
happening in immigration, and none of it's too encouraging. Mark

(01:46:32):
Thompson Show. Yeah, Marcia Jones says, that's why they wear
black masks exactly. I mean, it's the shame of it,
isn't it. Kim's News and we will wrap up around here.
I know it's a little we started late. We can
finish late, right, all right, Kim's News. Smash the like

(01:46:52):
button like a boss if you would. Those who lingered,
thank you appreciate it helps us in the YouTube universe
to have some Tony do you have to go do something?
You always Tony is the big He's got more stuff
going on than any of us.

Speaker 3 (01:47:06):
Well, in reality, I have to be at Handle's house
at three o'clock to rebuild a studio. Oh thanks, Tony,
So we go a little late, but I'm good.

Speaker 1 (01:47:14):
Yeah, I got a studio to rebuildad for handle. It's
not anyway all right? He wanted to know Mark Thompson Show.

Speaker 6 (01:47:26):
It was great.

Speaker 2 (01:47:26):
I loved it.

Speaker 1 (01:47:29):
How would you have this? We could try ignoring you, sir.

Speaker 4 (01:47:34):
You cannot say you love your country.

Speaker 1 (01:47:36):
Where am I?

Speaker 4 (01:47:37):
We'd smokers at stay at home and get baked.

Speaker 1 (01:47:40):
Weed smokers at stay.

Speaker 4 (01:47:41):
At home and get baked. I'm the Mark Thompson Show.
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Speaker 1 (01:47:57):
I Hear Your Baby? Awesome.

Speaker 4 (01:47:59):
A federal court hearing on Harvard's frozen federal research funding
wrapped up this afternoon, the university and the Justice Department
presenting oral arguments today. The judge heard the case over
Harvard's request that the funding Friese be declared unlawful and
called the situation mind boggling. The Trump administration said the
school failed to address anti semitism on campus, among other issues.

(01:48:23):
President Trump says lawmakers calling for the release of the
Epstein files are troublemakers. He made the comment on truth
Social over the weekend after the Justice Department asked the
federal judges to unseal grand jury testimony in the criminal
case against convicted sex offender Jeffrey Epstein. Trump wrote, even
if the court gave its full and unwavering approval, nothing

(01:48:47):
will be good enough for the troublemakers and radical left
lunatics making the request. The comment also came a day
after the president sued the Wall Street Journal for revealing
a letter. Trump reportedly wrote to Epstein, letter at that, I.

Speaker 1 (01:49:01):
Mean, the one thing I will say is that, and
I noted it in an hour one. The grand jury
testimony normally undersealed. Even if you were to get it released,
it doesn't speak to the volume of stuff in the
Epstein files. Epstein files are not reflected in this grand
jury thing. This grand jury thing is like one to
one thousandth of what is in the Epstein files. So

(01:49:24):
it's a total red herring. But Trump is hoping that
it throws the media off the send for a while.

Speaker 4 (01:49:29):
And that's kind of the message of Jeffrey Epstein's former attorney,
who says there's probably not much to be found about
his late client's dealings with the rich and powerful, and
grand jury transcripts that the White House wants unsealed. Alan
Dershowitz telling Fox News Sunday the information people really want
to see is more likely in records that have been
sealed by federal judges in New York. Parts of the

(01:49:52):
Midwest and the East bracing for possible flash flooding this
week as a heat wave sends temperature soaring further south. Today,
the flooding risk is greatest across the Illinois, Indiana, Ohio, Kentucky,
and West Virginia states. Meanwhile, places like Kansas City in
Dallas could see one hundred degrees. There is a former

(01:50:12):
Louisville off police officer being sentenced today and the death
of Breonna Taylor. Brett Hankison found guilty of violating Taylor's
civil rights when he fired blindly into her apartment in
twenty twenty. In a pre sentencing memo, the Justice Department
asked for a reduced sentence of time already served, along
with three years parole. Lawyers for Taylor's family call that

(01:50:35):
recommendation and insult.

Speaker 1 (01:50:37):
It is an absolute abomination that this police officer. And
I'm a big one for the cops, but I will
tell you this is an I want. It's an abomination
is the word that comes to mind. I mean, it's
it's a complete and miscarriage of justice. You can bust

(01:51:01):
into someone's house and discharge the kind of I mean,
how many ten shots are fired? I'm trying to remember
what was it? What did you say? I think it
was ten shots that were fired? He discharges his weapon,
and I think there was he shot ten times? Is
that right?

Speaker 4 (01:51:20):
The word in the story is fired blindly.

Speaker 1 (01:51:22):
Yeah, I mean that's clearly. Yeah. I mean, and then
they know this by you know, they can track where
the bullets ended up and all that this guy was
a reckless, irresponsible cop at minimum. And the idea that
he could walk this way with such a minimal slap
on the wrist, it is loathsome. It is grotesque. I

(01:51:49):
literally couldn't believe it. I still can't believe it.

Speaker 4 (01:51:51):
No one of President Trump's top lawyers could see her
time as interim US attorney come to an tomorrow. Oh no,
it's so. Sad Elina Habba named as acting US Attorney
for the District of New Jersey in March. Her one
hundred and twenty day limit is set to expire tomorrow
unless New Jersey Federal judges vote to extend the deadline.

(01:52:15):
The Trump Trump nominated Haba for a full term July first,
but her nomination has yet to be voted on by
the Senate. Los Angeles Mayor Karen Bass, renewing her call
for an end to the deployment of National Guard troops
and US Marines to Los Angeles, comes as federal immigration
enforcement operations continue. Mayor Bass said marines are not trained

(01:52:36):
in domestic law enforcement tactics. She says marines nor National
Guard troops are neither of them are authorized to make arrests.
She says the remaining National Guard members are guarding a
building that's not under attack, and Marines are simply illegally
and inappropriately deployed to Los Angeles. Bass says President Trump
has pulled some of the troops out, but says it's

(01:52:57):
time the President removes all Guard members and Marines from
the city.

Speaker 1 (01:53:01):
I mean, I don't understand the Guard members and the
Marines are bored, stiff, they've got nothing to do. I mean,
it's really imagined again, it's performative theater. These guys. If
you're a backer of the military, if you're a backer
of those who serve honorably. You have to be offended
by this that they're being used in this way. I

(01:53:23):
mean it's outrageous. They're not doing anything. You're just sending
them to a major city to pretend they're protecting against
this violent population, this democratic controlled city. You know, we're
here to civilize you. I mean, this is not what
these guys are trained to do. That all they can
do is stand around, and that's what they're doing. I

(01:53:43):
think it's insulting to them, I really do. And not
to mention the fact that you know it's a Bass
is right in this case. I'm not a Bass fan,
but she's absolutely right.

Speaker 4 (01:53:55):
ICE officials say agents can continue to use masks in
the field. Acting Director Todd Lyons as agents can continue
to use masks despite criticism that the practice limits identification
of its personnel. During an interview, Lions shared that he
is not a proponent of the masks, but also said
he will allow it if it's a tool to help
keep agents and their family safe. According to Lyons, ICE

(01:54:18):
agents have been severely doxed and that there's been a
rise and assault against ICE officers as well.

Speaker 1 (01:54:25):
The brother sorry, just in ten seconds or less. That's
another outrage. Hey, I love it. I'm not a fan
of the mask, but if that's what they need to
protect their identity and to prevent well great. I'm not
a fan of the ice policy, so I don't know
where we stand on this. But if you're just kind

(01:54:46):
of stipulating in sort of a boiler plate weight, well
I'm not a fan. It's like a little preamblace. I'm
not a fan of a bridging people's civil rights, but
I mean, if that's the only way to clean up America,
then let's do it. Dude. If you've got the balls
to start pulling people out of high schools, out of

(01:55:06):
home depot, out of lows, out of judicial hearings where
they're there to begin or continue immigration processes. If you've
got the balls to do that, then have the balls
to show your effing face or to have some kind
of markings, badge, number, or otherwise when you do it. Otherwise,

(01:55:29):
this is absolutely Unamerican and unacceptable. It is straight out
of the authoritarian dictatorships of World War Two.

Speaker 5 (01:55:42):
The brother of.

Speaker 4 (01:55:43):
Late NFL star Pat Tillman facing multiple charges after crashing
his car into a San Jose area post office. Officials
say the crash and then fire on the scene do
not look like an accident. Officials say Richard Tillman drove
into the Almonden Valley Post office early morning, triggering an
explosion that caused this post office to go up in flames.

(01:56:05):
The authorities believe Tilman drove into the post office intentionally,
and he has now been booked on numerous charges. Tillman
is the brother of NFL star Pat Tillman, who left
football behind and chose to serve as country in Afghanistan
as an army ranger. Pat Tillman was killed by friendly
fire in two thousand and four.

Speaker 1 (01:56:23):
I don't know much about this story except what Kim
has just said, but I would encourage all of you
to immediately this week watch one of the great documentaries ever.
And I'm a student of documentary film, love documentary film,
and truly for a story that is compelling and absolutely incredible,

(01:56:44):
The Pat Tillman Story. I think it's called Tony maybe,
but I'm almost certain it's called the Pat Tillman Story.
Google it, find it, watch it. It is, as I say, compelling.
There it is the Tillman Story. It's called and the
narrative that was advertised by the administration at the time

(01:57:07):
under George Bush. And the great sacrifice, sacrifice made by
this amazing American, Pat Tillman and his family is one
that you should know. But you will be astounded, blown
away by what happened with Pat Tillman. He gave up
that career in the NFL, he went to Afghanistan, and

(01:57:29):
then you have to see the movie to see what happened.
And then after what happened. It's another layer of extraordinary riveting,
is what they say, and it is riveting. See it.
The Tilman story. It has wrapped up in it, not
only everything with Pat Tillman and his family, but everything

(01:57:52):
with America and seizing a narrative and changing a narrative
and telling a phony story and forwarding a kind of
story and narrative that best serves your own interests. It's
astounding what happened the tilmun story.

Speaker 4 (01:58:08):
The Cosby Show actor Malcolm Jamal Warner has died at
the age of fifty four. Multiple reports say he died
after drowning. Warner was known for his role as Theodore
Huxtable in the hit sitcom. He'd been recently hosting the
podcast Not All Hood There. He is Malcolm Jamal Warner
dead at the age of fifty four.

Speaker 1 (01:58:29):
God, that's just extraordinary. Drowned.

Speaker 4 (01:58:32):
Those are multiple reports indicate that, but no official cause
of death yet. Fifty four years old. Man, that's a
face familiar to a lot of US.

Speaker 1 (01:58:43):
I thank you.

Speaker 4 (01:58:44):
Kentucky Governor Andy Bisheer will be on the cover of
Vogue for its September publication. Vogue sharing the news on
social media while promoting the upcoming feature, referring to Basher
as the most popular Democratic governor in the country. Basher's
Vogue cover following speculation about his political future and a
potential run for president. He's previously said he'll take a

(01:59:07):
look at running in twenty twenty eight.

Speaker 1 (01:59:08):
He is one of the shining lights of the Democrat
Democratic Party. He really is. He is. He's spoken of
that way for a reason, so he might be able
to punch through. And you'll need that kind of publicity.
You'll need the cover of Vogue, and you'll need a
lot more than that, because nobody knows who the f
Andy Brashier is unless you really follow politics. And by
the way, speaking of Vogue, wasn't Vogue purchased for Lauren

(01:59:31):
Sanchez by Jeff Bezos as a wedding.

Speaker 5 (01:59:33):
That's right, that's right.

Speaker 1 (01:59:34):
Yeah. Oh so that's a very nice Oh well, the
new vogue.

Speaker 4 (01:59:40):
There's hope for all of us, you know. At five
foot eight. The Chicago Bulls have signed the shortest player
in the NBA.

Speaker 2 (01:59:47):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (01:59:47):
What.

Speaker 4 (01:59:48):
Japanese point guard Yuki Kawamura. A Bulls spokesperson, says he's
under a two way contract after playing on their annual
Summer league team. Kawamura not the shortest player. He's the
only one that stands less than six feet tall.

Speaker 1 (02:00:05):
That's amazing.

Speaker 4 (02:00:06):
Yeah, yeah, Or maybe he's able to get underneath the
legs of all those tall guys running around like.

Speaker 5 (02:00:17):
That under the legspan right, that's too good.

Speaker 1 (02:00:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (02:00:23):
W NBA players demanding higher pay in a very high
profile way. All of the players warmed up for Saturday's
All Star Game and shirts that read pay us what
you owe us. The move comes after the players and
the league failed to reach a new collective bargaining agreement
last week. They want higher salaries, improve benefits, and better
revenue sharing. And lastly, can you guess what America's favorite

(02:00:47):
ice cream flavor is?

Speaker 1 (02:00:49):
Oh, that's a good question. What is America's favorite. What
is America's favorite ice cream flavor? Say it's either, I
would say, all right. The leading candidates vanilla, chocolate, and

(02:01:11):
chocolate mint. I think people love chocolate. Mint is very popular,
but I'm guessing chocolate is the fair What do you think, Tony?

Speaker 3 (02:01:22):
Honestly, I think it's vanilla because it's the base of
so many other flavors.

Speaker 1 (02:01:26):
Oh, that's true, Tony as usual makes a very good point.
Vanilla is the bases. Chat, everybody's going a couple of
mintship vanilla, not coffee, asks Don Shepherd, Macha cookie dough
is so good. She's not asking what's the best flavor.
She's not asking what your favorite. She's asking what's the

(02:01:51):
most popular? What is the most popular?

Speaker 4 (02:01:54):
Kim, The most popular flavor of ice cream in America
is vanilla?

Speaker 1 (02:02:01):
Vanilla to was so right.

Speaker 4 (02:02:03):
Data from in the cart show the vanilla was the
most ordered ice cream flavor on the platform in summer
of twenty twenty four, so that's last year, but not
also top the list for the summer of twenty twenty three.

Speaker 5 (02:02:15):
The figures show vanilla made up.

Speaker 4 (02:02:17):
Twenty seven percent of all ice cream sales last summer.
Chocolate and cookies and cream made the second and third
cream so good.

Speaker 1 (02:02:25):
Oh my gosh, it's fantastic.

Speaker 5 (02:02:28):
Yeah, I'll tell you what's good.

Speaker 4 (02:02:29):
Coachella Valley Coffee dot Com.

Speaker 1 (02:02:31):
Yeah, baby, very Ella. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (02:02:33):
Oh they have a summer sun tea. It's mango orange.
I'm sorry, hibiscus orange.

Speaker 5 (02:02:39):
So good.

Speaker 4 (02:02:40):
Had the hibiscus orange sun tea, the vanilla tea, the
mango tea. Oh yeah, it's good stuff. It's good stuff.
I know you're on the Lion's main coffee, the uh,
the Clarity blend, which is also very popular at my
house right now.

Speaker 1 (02:02:55):
Yeah, so yeah, you know, I've been trying to monitor
and reduce my coffee intake just a little bit, and
it's hard with this Clarity blend, which I've fallen in
love with. To be perfectly honest, I don't quite know
what to do. I may need an intervention. I try

(02:03:16):
to nurse the you know, cup and a half, but
it is and over the weekend I was going two
plus cups per day, which again for me, I used
to have like eight cups, no problem. But now that
doctors you know, have put me on a you know,
a plan where I have to the doctor Emil schowpous

(02:03:41):
And has said to me, try to cups of coffee
a day if you can get to it for you Mark,
because of you know, but anyway, so yes, I'm.

Speaker 5 (02:03:54):
Cold.

Speaker 4 (02:03:54):
Schella Valleycoffee dot com is the website. Please get your
ten percent off just for being a Mark Thompson Show listener,
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Kim McAllister and this is the Mark Thompson Show.

Speaker 1 (02:04:11):
The mar Thomson Well, we've got to wrap up around here.
Tony's got to rebuild a studio for Bill Handle, who's
a big radio personality, and Los Angeles. Yeah, I don't know. Uh,
I've got a doctor's I've got an eye doctor's appointment
where they put that the drops in your eye and

(02:04:33):
you know, make it, yeah, so you can't see anything
up close. I had an incident happened with those drops
in my eye. This is a god. They had to
be fifteen years ago. I was. I was at the

(02:04:54):
doctor's office and didn't expect that he was going to
use those drops and he didn't say anything to dilate
the eye exactly he puts the drops in, does all
the stuff. Then he sends me back and I run
to my agency, my voiceover agency and our voice my
voiceover agent, Mike Schaubetter is a terrific agent and he's

(02:05:14):
actually a big supporter of this show. Just send us
one hundred dollars, which is very, very generous. And I
am given this copy for Coca Cola. It's like a
big campaign, but you can't read it. And I literally
it's on an easel like a music stand, and I
could not see the words. It was so weird, man, weird.

(02:05:37):
And so I say, I'm so sorry. I've just come
from the eye doctor and he's given me these and
the agent it was no longer there. It was his agency.
At the time. It was a big deal. Like imagine
like the like the president of your world. A voiceover
world said, how could you do something like that when
you know where you're having a you know you have
us on new agenda. How could you do something like that?
How can I said, I'm sorry, I didn't know the

(02:05:57):
cause just it's crazy. I said, we can wait, We'll wait,
We'll wait, but this is you know, how can you do?
He used to call me Marky, How can you do
something like this? Marky? Every time I go on vacation,
he would say, well, I hope you know Ford called
and they wanted to use you on a spot. But
it's like, really, jeff Ford Motor Company call while I
was on vacation.

Speaker 4 (02:06:18):
Why can't someone just read it to you?

Speaker 5 (02:06:20):
You know?

Speaker 1 (02:06:20):
Yeah, I don't know. It was a little bit too
much to justri but you're right, that would have been.
There was like a like a few lines of copy.
I don't know anyway, So I'm I think of it
every time I think of those drops. All right, I'm
do I need to read anything more? Or do am
I good Metal?

Speaker 3 (02:06:37):
Results said yes, neon.

Speaker 1 (02:06:40):
The want But then it's a question.

Speaker 4 (02:06:45):
Doctor Racinello had one today, Rack and Yellow had a
neon behind him.

Speaker 1 (02:06:49):
He did, Yeah, doctor Racanello had it. So I'm the one.
But us what do you think it should say? Is
the question? You know? I mean, you know that's a
if somebody's going to see every day, how does the
internet work?

Speaker 3 (02:07:03):
Well, this is a thing where you have that whole
corner there above you.

Speaker 1 (02:07:07):
Yeah, we need well I don't know, but I need
to know what what it should say? You can't say
why are you yelling? Because people don't know what to
I mean, you know, we get people passing through here.
You don't really know the game, you know, so I
don't know. We have to figure out what it might say. Tony,

(02:07:28):
you have any thoughts? No, not right now. Yeah, No,
here's the reason that this place is fun. Yeah, you
could put that up there, all right. I mean I
have a z the sign should be flashing and say
open twenty four hours. That's a great flashing and say
open twenty four hours. That's a great idea. That is

(02:07:50):
a great idea on the air, says Daniel Martin. That's
not a bad thought either. I like the twenty four
hours chit, chit shit.

Speaker 5 (02:08:01):
I like.

Speaker 1 (02:08:03):
Joe's shadow of distry, Calvin Wong. Remember it should say
on air, A couple of people for on air, Remember
Spud web Mark. Yeah, he was he was short. That's right,
Thank you chaplain Fred. That's true. Kim was talking about
the shortest NBA player at five to eight, just being
drafted in the league. I'm kind of a big deal.
Oh that's not bad either. Too many words, though, yeah,

(02:08:25):
too many words. Smash it with your iron Rod is
being suggested as to getting to two handles at three
o'clock to do his work. Get there at three tens
like people not too sympathetic to handle. Uh, where are

(02:08:47):
my weed smokers? You think we should put that on
a No, that's not that's not what we're doing. But
all right, I'm I'm excited. All right, I'm I'm excited.
But now we're writing, you know, now we're writing. This
is how great writing happens from coming down you know,
too long again, But I love it. I love it.

(02:09:09):
Oh my god. Yeah, it's pretty exciting. All right, tomorrow,
David K. Johnston. I've got a lot to ask David K.
Johnson about. I want to ask him about everything from
immigration to the Epstein story, the political ramifications of the
Epstein story, to the murdocs of the Epstein story, to

(02:09:32):
the Murdoch coupling and the right wing coupling with JD. Vance.
Also if they try to bring up again the Russia
stuff to stave off what's happening now and Congress is
joining in and trying to protect the president. There's a
lot to talk to David K. Johnson about. And so
I'm self Stephens for the Mark Johnson show Ba. I

(02:09:56):
want to give a shout out to OS for a
five dollars super sticker by Chemist is doing the after
party live until tomorrow. Bye bye

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