Kimmel Pulled for Breaking the First Rule of the New America: Don’t Mock Trump or MAGA 9/18/25

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I have no idea, Albert, thank you.

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Speaker 1 (00:32):
Yeah, but to contribute a meaning, not money, but just
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have the chat is live for two hours, is what
I'm trying to say.

Speaker 3 (00:42):
I guess you have to have a Gmail account. Is that?

Speaker 4 (00:44):
Hell?

Speaker 3 (00:44):
It works, Alward?

Speaker 2 (00:45):
I think that, Yeah, you have to have a YouTube
account and you can hit the comment section whenever you want.
You can do that right now. But the live chat
is worked out.

Speaker 1 (00:52):
Yeah, baby, it's where it's Albert, thank you. It's so
where it's at. Kim is here as well. She's always
hitting the live chat. Yeah, he's hitting it. She's a
banning people. She like you know, she has her own
version of censorship going on, don't you, kim Yeah you
got your own are Yeah, You're your own little uh
FCC commissioner, aren't you.

Speaker 3 (01:12):
Yeah? Yeah, I'll tell you.

Speaker 5 (01:14):
I like you.

Speaker 1 (01:15):
All right, let's get it on everybody. We are obviously
in the midst of a sea change in America. There's
a tremendous amount going on. It's all of a kind
and it's alarming. I won't sugarcoat it for you. It's alarming.

(01:37):
And so we'll get into the Kimmel stuff. We'll get
into the censorship. We'll get into, as usual, the subplot,
which you're not hearing a lot about, which may very
much inform much of what happened with Jimmy Kimmel, but

(01:58):
we will get to it. It's the subplot is very
much in keeping with what we were seeing and what
I predicted, and now you're seeing it happen. What did
I tell you about TikTok? Said that Larry Ellison is
going to get TikTok along with a small consortium of

(02:21):
other tech bros, sort of the Billionaires Boys Club, and they,
particularly in the form of Ellison, will create a massive
media company. As Ellison wants Warner Brothers he wants the
entire package, which is include CNN and this immense media empire.

(02:45):
That's a big deal because there is a part of
that sort of thing going on with the Jimmy Kimmel
conversation and what happened to Jimmy. Now, I'll tell you,
I adore Jimmy Kimmel. To me, Jimmy Kimmel is incredibly funny,
incredibly inventive, incredibly smart about the ways he's gone after

(03:11):
government generally, it wasn't just Trump when Biden was president.
He did great stuff with that. To me, Jimmy Kimmel
is the genius of late night. And so I know
there was a lot of Colbert and I get that
maybe this audience is super cold, but it doesn't matter.
It's not like it's the whole thing. Like when people

(03:32):
ask are you you like dogs? Or do you like cats?
So why do I have to fig one or the other?
Aren't they, you know, both wonderful creatures that I enjoy
sharing my home with. And I kind of feel that
way about Colbert and Kimmel. But I must tell you,
to me, Kimmel was appointment viewing. I never missed a
Kimmel show and that's been the way it's been for years.

(03:54):
It's so I'm really I'm both angered about this and
about the silencing of Jimmy, but I'm also very concerned
about the broader issues for America and for American discourse
and for public comments like the one that I'm making
right now, and about all the ways in which you

(04:18):
interact on social media. You know, your Facebook, your Twitter,
et cetera. Obviously, this is something that has implications for
all those things. So this is true. I'm seeing, you know,
Jimmy's my favorite of the Late night show. Somebody says
Kimmel and Colbert kept my sanity through all of this.
I watched Kimmel's show on Monday Night. Didn't seem like

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he said anything controversial, says John Watson. So we made
a decision, and here's the decision that we made. We
could talk around and read quotes of what Jimmy said,
and we could talk about what the FCC Commission said,

(05:00):
and we could read you quotes, and obviously I would
try to bring that stuff to life to you as
much as I could, because typically we cannot run things
that are proprietary content like the Late night stuff from ABC.
We have this problem with Saturday Night Live, you know,
and that's the reason it's very hard for us as
YouTube creators to you know, share that stuff with you,

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because it'll immediately end up with us being demonetized. They
will we will no longer be able to gain any
income from that show. And of course the revenues from
the show are what sustain us. But today we're going
to run it and we're just going We're just not
going to make any money on this show. And so

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thank you for thank you for the super Chat Hula
Steff for twenty dollars. We will keep all the Superchat
money and supersticker money that does stay with us, But
any kind of monetization is apart from that, we don't get.
I can't believe how furious I am about Kimmel's firing,
says Hula Stuff. You go, MTS channel. Don't let Trump

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silence you. I mean, I must tell you, the government
is a very powerful entity. The government can silence anyone
they want. The Kimmel example is a great one because
you see the ways in which the government leverages power.

(06:25):
Jimmy Kimmel didn't get taken off the air for anything
he said about Charlie Kirk. You know that right. I'm
going to show you the clip in a second. I'm
not saying, you know, you can be super sensitive about
the Charlie Kirk thing. We have decried it here. It
was a murderous, horrible act and Charlie Kirk deserves to
be alive. But they didn't silence Jimmy Kimmel for anything

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he said about Charlie Kirk. They silenced him because he
made fun of the president. That's why he was silenced.
It's that simple. He has been an irritant to Donald
Trump for years, and to call it just an irritant
is to be polite. Kimmel has been in the crosshairs

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for the administration for years. So the standards by which
so much speech is permitted in America don't apply to someone.

Speaker 3 (07:24):
Who is.

Speaker 1 (07:27):
That big a target for this president and this regime. Albert,
show everyone, and we'll just let it run. As I say,
this is what Jimmy Kimmel said. We'll let it run.
I'm gonna let it breathe so you can really get
a sense of it in context.

Speaker 3 (07:48):
Go ahead.

Speaker 6 (07:50):
We hit some new lows over the weekend with the
Maggot Gang desperately trying to characterize this kid who murdered
Charlie Kirk as anything other than one of them, and
do everything they can to score political points from it.
In between the finger pointing, here was grieving. On Friday,
the White House flew the flags at half staff, which
got some criticism, But on a human level, you can

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see how hard the President is taking this.

Speaker 5 (08:14):
Black adults on a lot of your.

Speaker 4 (08:15):
Friend, Charlie Kirk asked sir personally, how are you holding
up over the last day and a half third?

Speaker 7 (08:20):
I think very good.

Speaker 5 (08:21):
And by the way, right there you see all the trucks.
They've just started construction of the new.

Speaker 7 (08:26):
Ballroom for the White House, which.

Speaker 4 (08:28):
Is something they've been trying to get, as you know,
for about one hundred.

Speaker 7 (08:31):
And fifty years, and it's going to be a beauty.

Speaker 8 (08:34):
Yes, he's at the fourth stage of grief construction, demolition, construction.
This is not how an adult grieves the murder of
somebody called a friend. This is how a four year
old morn's a goldfish. Okay, And it didn't just happen once.

Speaker 9 (08:53):
When I heard I was in the midst of, you know,
building a great for one hundred and fifty years, they've
wanted a ballroom at the White House. Right, did have
a boat. They've used tents on the lawn for President.
She when it comes over, if it rains, it's a
wipe out. And so I was with the architects that
would design it's going to be incredible, and they came

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in they said, Charlie Kirk is dead.

Speaker 5 (09:18):
I didn't know what they meant.

Speaker 9 (09:19):
I said, we were dead. Charlie Kirk was shot and
they thought he was dead because it was so horrific
in our living And I said dead.

Speaker 8 (09:31):
And then we installed the most beautiful chandelier. You Wisconsins,
you wouldn't believe there's something wrong with them.

Speaker 5 (09:38):
There really is, I mean.

Speaker 1 (09:40):
And so you then in that moment, in that moment,
you hear the real object of derision there is the
President's reaction.

Speaker 3 (09:55):
Offered a platform.

Speaker 1 (09:59):
The resident pivoted quickly to the construction, and that became
the joke, the four stage of grief construction.

Speaker 10 (10:10):
He never made fun of Charlie Kirk's death, He made
fun of the president's reaction to it. As a matter
of fact. Last week on his show, Kimmel said that
Kirk's murder was senseless the day of Kirk's murder, he
posted a message on Instagram sending love to Kirk's family
and all victims of gun violence. So when you talk

(10:32):
about people that did the dances and the celebration, that's
not what Kimmel did at all. He made fun of
Trump's reaction, not anything having to do with senseless political violence.
He decried that.

Speaker 1 (10:47):
Thank you, because that's exactly right. Kimmel has so much heart.
I don't know if you've watched Kimmell through the years,
any of you, but the reality is that Kimmel has
been an articulate and passionate spokes for the lack of
health care in this country for those who don't have money.
When his son needed heart surgery, he became emotional, choked up,

(11:11):
wept on the air about the fact that, of course
you've just been through this incredibly emotional operation for his
newborn son, for his very young son, and he said,
we have the means to help our son, but there's
so many in the same situation that don't have those means.

(11:32):
That's who Jimmy Kimmel is. He's someone with tremendous emotion,
heart and empathy, and so he's a late night comic.
Of course, he skewres power. Skewing the powerful is a
rich tradition in late night comedy. Kimmel is just the

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latest iteration of it, and in my judgment, the most
creative iteration of it. He's so funny, so inventive. Most
of the shows that he does on the show has
nothing to do with Trump, but he is out there
on the limb, which is what makes the comedy so funny.
It's daring, but it's certainly covered by free speech rights.

(12:19):
It's certainly covered by the First Amendment. You can go
all the way back to Johnny Carson. Johnny Carson used
to skewer everybody, all the presidents during his time in
late night television. As I say, it's a time honored tradition.
So this is outrageous, and we will pull away the

(12:40):
layers of the onion. To use the offused expression, but
we'll pull away. I think a lot of the backstory here,
But the key thing when it comes to Kimmel is
that Jimmy Kimmel hasn't been censored by this regime for
the comments about Charlie Kirk. He is censored because of

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his comments about Donald Trump. The jokes about Trump really
got to him.

Speaker 3 (13:11):
You know.

Speaker 1 (13:11):
Trump responded the same way to Saturday Night Live, really angry.
Running down Saturday Night Live was during the first Trump
administration in bad ratings, Show's not funny anymore. People say
the show is not funny anymore because remember Alec Balden
was doing the Donald Trump impression. So this stuff does
get to Donald Trump, and Jimmy's stuff is funny, really funny,

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and as a result, Donald Trump, who's the butt of
the joke, can't take it. We know he's thin skinned.
So I want to quickly recognize some people who are
into the super chat because you guys are supporting us
today since this is a show that'll be demonetized because

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of the running of that clip. But a Trevor Starr
in Hollywood says, breaking fake news Trump's statement. First it
was Stanley Colbert, now it's Johnny Kimmel. Many people are saying,
squeaky voice. Mark Thompson will be next. He's got great hair,
but he's got to go. He's got to go, says

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Donald J.

Speaker 3 (14:16):
Trump.

Speaker 1 (14:17):
Well, I'll tell you, I mean, thanks for the super Chat.
I'd be lying to you if I didn't tell you
I'm worried about this channel and all channels that represent anything.
And again, a lot of the stuff we do doesn't
have anything to do with Donald Trump, But you worry
about anything that you said that in any way arouses

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the iyre or shows up on the radar of the
most powerful.

Speaker 3 (14:43):
Gwen Roberts, thank you for a ten dollars super chat. Yeah,
I have this.

Speaker 10 (14:49):
I feel like I've just been living in this naive
bubble all this time, thinking that we had a constitution
and a right to free speech and this could never happen.

Speaker 3 (14:59):
Here.

Speaker 1 (15:01):
Let me explain a little bit of how it happened,
because I think the how is truly instructive, because this
isn't over. We just played for you the clip in question.
You could see Charlie Kirk wasn't in any way derided,
He was in no way criticized, and as Kim says,

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Kimmel's actually quite sympathetic and empathetic sending those messages of
grief to the Charlie Kirk family. This is last week,
or this is the week prior to this show. Even so,
he was a part of the morning for Charlie Kirk.
If you will are recognizing the true tragedy of the

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murder of Charlie Kirk. That's what Jimmy Kimmel was doing.
But when it came to the reaction, the Trump reaction
was so odd that it just invited being skewered. And
that's what Jimmy he did. But now to the cancelation,
Now to the censoring of Jimmy Kimmel. The FCC commissioner

(16:09):
goes on Benny Johnson's podcast, and the FCC commissioner someone
who has been oddly a champion of First Amendment free
speech rights in America prior to all of this. He himself,
I think, a podcaster. You know, the Trump administration has
all these people who were podcasters before this, right, so

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he's no stranger to this format. And here he is
joining Bennie Johnson, who's a right wing host on his podcast,
talking about what we've just seen.

Speaker 3 (16:44):
Go ahead, Albert.

Speaker 4 (16:45):
When you look at the conduct that has taken place
by Jimmy Kimmel, it appears to be some of the
sickest conduct possible.

Speaker 7 (16:58):
As you've indicated, there are, you know, avenues here for
the FCC.

Speaker 4 (17:02):
So there are some ways in which I need to
be a little bit careful because we could be called
utimately to be a judge on some of these claims
that come up.

Speaker 7 (17:09):
But I don't think this is an isolated instant.

Speaker 4 (17:11):
I mean, you go back to Representative Swallwell, he had
a tweet out last week where he was saying that,
you know, emphasizing that Charlie Kirks killer was a straight
white male from a Republican family that voted for Donald Trump.
In some quarters, there's a very concerted effort to try
to lie to the American people about the nature, as
you indicate it, one of the most significant newsworthy public

(17:36):
interest acts that we've seen in a long time.

Speaker 1 (17:40):
For a second, and I'll continue in the second. There
was to be fair an effort from both sides early
right away, because this is the New America to say
that guy was a lefty. Remember President Trump. Within an hour,
we had no idea of this guy's history. The guy
murdered Charlie kirk President Trump within an hour had the

(18:05):
word out it's the radical left that's the problem, political violence,
the radical left. And then you had the left saying, look,
he's from a Maga family. You can tell he's Maga,
he's right right wing. So both sides were trying to
build their narrative to serve political ends. That is true,

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as I say, that's the new America. As it turns out,
probably both were true. He's from a mega family, but
angry about and again it's still all being pieced together,
angry about the posture toward trans rights to the LGBTQ

(18:47):
plus community. Oddly, this kid from a MAGA family grew
up around guns, had access to guns. He then from
now a left perspective again politically, left offended by the
presidents and this government's view toward the community that he

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now felt closely aligned with. He murdered Charlie Kirk. So
in the early moments, it was is it right?

Speaker 3 (19:18):
Is it left?

Speaker 1 (19:19):
Both trying to claim he's a lefty, he's a radical,
he's a of course it's Maga. It's somebody who's even
farther right than MAGA. So that was what the SEC
commissioner is talking about. Get back to him, go back
to Carr.

Speaker 4 (19:35):
Appears to be an action by Jimmy Kimmel to play
into that narrative that this was somehow a MAGA or
Republican motivated person.

Speaker 1 (19:47):
If that's what stop stop again, sorry again, and what
I just played it for you. No, Kimmel said that
Maga is trying to blame the left. They're trying to
who blame the left for this? They don't want to
claim this guy in any way. That was what he said. Again,

(20:08):
that was in the hours days of the beginnings of
the investigation. Both sides were doing this. It's probably wrong
to do, right, it was wrong for either side to
claim it. But Jimmy's not wrong. I mean, MAGA was
saying it's a lefty, right, they're trying to claim one thing,

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and the left is saying it's a Maga guy. Look,
it's family. So that's what was happening there. So when
he's talking about it in this way, it really denies
a legitimate context to the conversation.

Speaker 7 (20:43):
Okay, that is really really sick.

Speaker 4 (20:45):
And I've been very clear from the moment that I
have become chairman of the FCC, I want to reinvigorate
the public. Interesting, what people don't understand is that the
broadcasters and you've gotten this right, are entirely different than
people that use of forms of communication. They have a
license granted by us at the FCC, and that comes
with it an obligation to operate in the public interest,

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and we can get into some ways that we've been
trying to reinvigorate the public interest in some changes that
we've seen. But Frankly, when you see stuff like this,
I mean, look, we can do this the easy way
or the hard way. These companies can find ways to
change conduct, to take action. Frankly on Kimmel or you know,
there's gonna be additional work for the FCC ahead.

Speaker 3 (21:30):
What kind of and then we're going to continue with it.
But this is huge what he just said. It's the
hard way.

Speaker 1 (21:37):
We can do it the easier way of the hard way.
Now again, you're always as a private company or a
public company in the case of Disney, but you know
what I mean, as a as a company not run
by the government, you're able to make any decisions you
want about who's on your air, about the kind of
shows that are on your air. You can run all
LGBTQ plus shows if you want. You can run all

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right wing cysts, white male shows if you want. I mean,
it really is up to what they feel is commercially
viable or on brand for them. So when he talks
about you know, conduct, this is a commercial enterprise the
public airwaves have. There's certain responsibilities. That's why the FCC

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has control over them. But apart from that, it's really
up to the creators there at Disney to you know,
put on whatever show they feel is, as I say,
commercially viable. Now you're going to see it pivot. When
he talks about we can do this the easy way
or the hard way, what he's suggesting is the government
may now get involved in content, in what you're doing

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and who the personality is that you're putting on the air.
But the way that he suggests and what you're going
to see now is the way he lays out what
the FCC will likely do or what could be done
by a station group, which is exactly what happened Sinclair
and the next Star stations. They own tons of stations

(23:02):
in America. He's suggesting they could take action against the
network and decide not to run Jimmy Kimmel anymore. So
this is the FCC chairman saying this stuff go ahead.

Speaker 11 (23:14):
Albert to have an on air apology from Jimmy Kimmel,
to the Kirk family, to all of those who he
slandered because he did say that Charlie Kirk. He is
effectively saying that our movement did this, our movement killed Charlie,
that Charlie was never having of this effectively, and we've
seen that actively we're its head. This happens quite regularly

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actually on MSNBC and on other networks where they are
trying to victim blame. And what that does, mister Chairman, respectfully,
is continues the lie and continues the threat level to
say effectively that we have no share in this problem
at all.

Speaker 3 (23:59):
On the left, this is a clear.

Speaker 4 (24:04):
Saying, oh, look, I think what you said there strikes
me as a very reasonable, minimal step that can be taken.

Speaker 7 (24:10):
I mean, obviously, look there's calls for kim will be fired.

Speaker 4 (24:14):
I think you know, you could certainly see a path
forward for suspension over this. And again you know, the
FCC is going to have remedies that we could look at,
and again you know we.

Speaker 7 (24:26):
May ultimately be called to be a judge on that.

Speaker 4 (24:27):
But this also strikes me as sort of conduct that
to some extent it shows some sort of desperate irrelevance.

Speaker 7 (24:35):
I mean, we're sort of exiting an.

Speaker 4 (24:38):
Era where the three main broadcast legacy broadcast networks could
control and dictate the narrative to the American people. And
one of the things that President Trump did when he
ran for office, he ran directly at that legacy media establishment.
He smashed the facade that they get to control what
we say, what we.

Speaker 7 (24:58):
Think, the narrative around events.

Speaker 4 (25:01):
And we're seeing a lot of consequences that are flowing
from President Trump doing that. I mean, look, NPR has
been defunded, PBS has been defunded, Colbert is retiring, Joy
Reid is out at MSNBC, Terry Moran has gone from
ABCS with.

Speaker 7 (25:16):
Now admitting that they are biased.

Speaker 4 (25:19):
CBS has now made some commitments to us that they're
going to return to more fact based journalism. And so
I think you see some lashing out from people like
Kimmel who are frankly talentless and are looking for ways
to get attention.

Speaker 7 (25:34):
But you know, their grip on the narrative is slipping.

Speaker 4 (25:37):
That doesn't mean that it's still not you know, important
to holding the public interest standard.

Speaker 7 (25:40):
That's that's what we're going to have to do.

Speaker 1 (25:42):
So a stop of you a Albert, I mean, he
gets into it, I think a little bit further down,
he talks about the fact that What could happen here
is the next star in Sinclair stations could stop running
Jimmy Kimmel. And what happened, indeed, was the Sinclair stations
took their queue from the CC Commissioner it would appear anyway,
and they said, we are going to drop Kimmel.

Speaker 3 (26:06):
We're not going to run him now.

Speaker 1 (26:07):
Now Sinclair is again powerful group. We've talked about this
on the show many times. The real power for years
now has been with the station groups. So next our Sinclair.
These are right wing groups that I mean right wing
companies I guess I should put it that way that
have groups of television stations across the country and so

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on some level, even as they are, you know, running
ABC programming, they have underpinning them a certain political philosophy.
So taking their cues from an increasingly robust effort to
erase anything that they find in the least bit offensive,
including making fun of the president, they take action. And

(26:53):
in this case the SEC commissioner to whom you were listening,
he laid it out. He said the Sinclair stations could
drop this. He also like he'll throw in stuff like
you know, talentless guy, I mean, you realize that These
are all people who aren't objectively demonstrating professionalism per se.

Speaker 3 (27:13):
They are.

Speaker 1 (27:14):
They share a very extreme view of things, and it's
not a view that protects speech that they don't like.
It's a view that reinforces and permits speech that they
do like and gets rid of that which they don't like.
Speaks did drop it.

Speaker 10 (27:33):
I was really struck when he went through the list
of all the people they've silenced. I didn't realize it
had been that many. When he's like, oh, you know,
it's it's it's Terry Moran, and this guy, and it's
that guy, and it's like, Wow, all of these people
and for what reason?

Speaker 1 (27:48):
So Sinclair Broadcasting saying the suspension of Jimmy Kimmel was insufficient.
They're gonna yank Jimmy k alive from their stations until
until Jimmy Kimmel apologizes directly to Charlie Kirk's family and

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donates to his political activist group.

Speaker 10 (28:14):
Can I just put this up here? This is what
Jimmy Kimmel posted the day of the killing, Instead of
the angry finger pointing he wrote, Can we just for
one day agree that it is horrible and monstrous to
shoot another human on behalf of my family. We send
love to the Kirks and to all the children, parents,
and innocence who fall victim to senseless gun violence. What

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is there to apologize for?

Speaker 1 (28:37):
I think Kimmel is doing his job as a late
night host. He's making fun of the party in power.
He did it with the Democrats too, made fun of Biden.
I mean, I think that Jimmy is a not a
fan of Trump, that's clear. He goes after Trump a lot,

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and he does it in funny ways. But Trump goes
after everybody, calls people ugly, calls people unprofessional, calls people weak,
calls people losers. So it's just kind of extraordinary. But
as they say, it wasn't for the Charlie Kirk comments
that Jimmy Kimmel was silenced. It was for the comments

(29:25):
about Donald Trump. So they have forty stations, I mean,
that's not nothing, forty ABC Local TV affiliates. It's the
largest station group Sinclair, and they say that the Kimmel
comments were inappropriate. So they say they're not going to
return Kimmel's show until formal discussions are held with ABC

(29:46):
regarding the network's commitment to professionalism and accountability, you know,
and they praise I mean, I think it was the
CEO praised him, the the vice chairman of Sinclair praising
Brendan Carr, that's the FCC chairman, and said the incident

(30:09):
highlights the critical need for the FCC to take immediate
regulatory action of address control held over logo broadcasters by
the big networks. ABC announcing again that production of Jimmy
Kimmel's late night program has been suspended indefinitely, and the
demands of Sinclair are extraordinary. They operate. Sinclair does one

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hundred and seventy eight television stations in eighty one markets,
and they say that they're ABC affiliates. I think they're
forty of them, isn't that what I said before? Will
air a special in remembrance of Kirk during Kimmel's Friday timeslot.
So that's the reaction from Sinclair and the next Star

(31:03):
stations are also a big part of this. Again, their network,
the network television business depends on all of those stations
distributing what the network is giving them. So the stations
have a lot of power and the networks have power
as well. But it's a very difficult spot that the

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network finds itself in when so many affiliates say, hey,
we're just not going to run that anymore. I mean,
that's ad revenue. That's you can imagine. So when Nextstar
and Sinclair together say we're not going to run ABC's
late night offering, that essentially is a fatal complete.

Speaker 3 (31:47):
I mean it's done.

Speaker 1 (31:50):
Next Stars owned and partner television stations affiliated with the
ABC Television Network will pre empt Jimmy kim Alive for
the foreseeable future, they said. Next our strong objects to
recent comments made by mister Kimmel concerning the killing of
Charlie Kirk, will place the show with other programming in
its ABC markets. Nextstar is the largest station group in

(32:11):
the country. Also has a major merger, and this is
the second part of this story that you must know.
Next are the largest station group in the country has
a major merger before the Trump administration its proposed acquisition

(32:32):
of Tegna, creating a mega company with two hundred and
sixty five stations in forty four states and the Washington,
DC area, representing eighty percent of US households. Nextstar is
also a leading champion in the broadcast industry for the
FCC to relax media ownership limits. There are limits, and

(32:54):
they're not what they used to be. I mean, it
used to be really strong limits on how many stations
you could own. But now those limits have been relaxed.
But next Our wants them released even more. He wants them.
They want them relaxed to the point that well that
they inquire, they can acquire all of these other stations
in another station group. So to get this deal through,

(33:19):
to get regulatory approval, they have to play ball with
the FCC. They have to curry favor with the existing administration.
You saw it happen with Paramount, with CBS, with the
cancelation of Colbert. This is the exact same thing. So

(33:39):
when all of this talk about Charlie Kirk is going on,
there is a subplot here that's powerful, and it's that
we need FCC approval to get this mighty merger through.
And they are going to air a tribute to Charlie
Kirk on the ABE stations that they control Nextstar on

(34:03):
Friday Night. And as I say, both Sinclair and Next
Star have been lobbying the FCC over regulatory issues and
the idea somehow that you would take on the FCC
at a time when you're trying to get cooperation from
the FCC. It's not even in the conversation they have

(34:25):
to play ball with Brendan Carr.

Speaker 3 (34:29):
You would think.

Speaker 10 (34:29):
Though that and I know they say follow the money
right in this case what you're talking about, But that
Jimmy Kimmel would be something if you're trying to sell
a station, if you're trying to attract someone to a station,
he's the shining star of that network.

Speaker 3 (34:47):
Yes, that's true.

Speaker 1 (34:50):
But when the broader network is part of a huge conglomerate,
which is sort of what's happening when you have all
those stations put together, I guess that makes up something
of a broadcast conglomerate, you have bottom line concerns that
can be completely derailed by the existing government. And so

(35:12):
for that reason, you've got to play ball with the government. Now, again,
prior administrations may not have been as withering in their
demands as this administration is. But the point is you
need to play ball. So when you talk about Kimmel
as a personality, as a let's just say, as a
valuable asset, you're right. But if you look at the

(35:33):
broader interests for other assets, they're trying to acquire for them,
it's easier to play ball with the government. But the
other thing I would just say is, and it happens
to also be the way they think. They are a
conservative media group. So somebody who's like Jimmy Kimmel, who's

(35:54):
probably considered a lib, they are all too anxious to
play ball with the government in this case. But you're right,
they have to balance that against commercial concerns they might have.
So I'll just remind you also that the Walt Disney
companies involved in this. Okay, I just talked to you
about Sinclair and Nexstar. Those are the two big station groups.

(36:15):
Walt Disney controls the network, right, and they need Trump
administration green light for what they need a green light
from the Trump administration for ESPNS deal to buy the
NFL network. Oh Man, So there are so many interests
here that require government approval, and so for that reason,

(36:38):
when the government makes a demand on you, you decide
you're going to play ball. They do all the math,
and for them it's worth it. But that's the backstory
on Jimmy Kimmel and his cancelation. Trump wants him canceled

(36:59):
because he doesn't want to have Kimmel making fun of
him every night on late night television, and Kimmel is popular,
as kim was saying, But the reason that these different
entities all are okay with the cancelation and are even
out in front on the consolation is because they want
government approval on any number of things. The Sinclair, the

(37:21):
Next Star acquisitions, Disney's acquisition of NFL network along with ESPN,
and you see how it is really all about the money.
But what's really but the real casualty here, let's not
lose it, is free speech. The casualty is free speech.
So what they're basically saying is, yeah, we're ready to

(37:43):
torch the First Amendment because we need this other stuff
for our bottom line. And you understand it from a
stockholder standpoint, and you know, there's a fiduciary responsibility to
not anger the government and power if you need these
things to help your bottom line. But the overwhelming fact

(38:06):
is that the government is snuffing out free speech. It's,
you know, take everything we've talked about with the money,
the subplot, all of it, even with the Trump being
angry about you know, being derided by Jimmy Kimmel every
night and having fun made of him every night. Put
it all to the side. Just talk about free speech

(38:26):
in America. You know, there is in America a rich
tradition of critical speech. That's how Charlie Kirk could flourish.
Charlie Kirk is brilliance bringing all of that to college campuses,
inviting those are the posing views. I mean, this really

(38:47):
is a scary place that we're in. I mean, it's
just one of the scary things that's happening, but it's
a significant one.

Speaker 2 (38:55):
It feels like the beginning of like a dictatorship. Like
all the moves that have been made, it feels like
they're trying to control what would we have to know,
And that's in line with all the dictators around the
in history.

Speaker 1 (39:07):
Actually, yeah, yeah, I mean that's exactly right what Albert
is saying. And then Albert is paying attention to the
show at all.

Speaker 3 (39:14):
It's just amazing, Albert, Thank you. I just am really,
I know, it's serious.

Speaker 2 (39:19):
The Philippines have gone through the same thing in prior
in the history, in the eighties, and I feel like
it's coming back now even in our country.

Speaker 1 (39:26):
So yeah, very scary. It's scary. That's a little bit
of what's going on. We'll talk to David Cash, the
former federal prosecutor the legal side of this, and there
are other legal issues. Obviously, Supreme Court is being asked
by Donald Trump to do a number of things.

Speaker 3 (39:45):
We'll get to those.

Speaker 1 (39:46):
I want to give a quick shout out to those
who are helping us today because we are because of
the clips we've run, are going to be demonetized. As
I was mentioning, so many in the audience are stepping
up in such big ways. Wow, Shelley Pollard, we get
to keep all the supersticker and super chat money, so
you guys really are making up the gap that we
would normally get from you know, ads and that sort

(40:07):
of thing on YouTube. Big shout out to Shelley Pollard
while one hundred dollars into the super Chat and Shelley,
thank you so much, Thanks so much, And I would even.

Speaker 12 (40:20):
Say thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you.

Speaker 1 (40:23):
That's the four thank yous. We rarely dust them off,
but thank you, thank you. I'll give you the thing.

Speaker 12 (40:27):
Thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you.

Speaker 1 (40:29):
Beth Farmer got you all covered today, keep speaking trus Mar,
thank you Beth, and I'll give you the four.

Speaker 12 (40:34):

Speaker 3 (40:36):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (40:36):
Beth, really cool Beth, a longtime viewer and supporter of
the show. Jane McCann pulling over just to make this
donation that I hear you will be able to keep
in respect for what you are saying about Jimmy Kimmel. Yeah,
we will be able to keep it. And thank you
so much Jane for helping to support the show today.
It's definitely one of those days where it's an inflection

(40:58):
moment and I give you, Jane the four.

Speaker 12 (41:00):
Thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you.

Speaker 3 (41:04):
It is four right. I've never really.

Speaker 10 (41:05):
Counted good thing good thank you. I think you're right.
I think you're right.

Speaker 1 (41:09):
West Theory and Og with a six dollars super chat
says still on Facebook break just canceled Hulu and Disney
app only way to express my disappointment. And then there
are a lot of people who are canceling Disney Plus.
It's kind of wild because that's right, Disney Plus is
a lot of different platforms. Hulu, what else is on
Disney Plus A bunch of different.

Speaker 2 (41:31):
Yeah, ESPN's on there.

Speaker 1 (41:33):
Yeah, so that's a big I mean, that's a big cancelation.
Lucy McAllister, my favorite McCallister. Thank you for being my
rock through these difficult times. Wow, big big shout out, Lucy,
thank you so much. Really appreciate your support and appreciate
the contribution of the show. Really cousin Erie with a
six dollars super chat. It will be a miracle if

(41:53):
Colbert makes it to June. It is weird that Colbert
was for targeted to be rubbed out right, They were
getting rid of Colbert, and then Jimmy seemed like the
only guy who was still cruising, and then quite suddenly
this happens where Kimmel is out and Colbert continues even

(42:16):
though you know he's on borrowed time. Kathleen Bryant with
a twenty dollars superstick or big shot shout out. Kathleen Bryant,
thank you. You're a regular on the show. We so
appreciate you and thanks so much. Yes, it really does matter, guys,
thank you so much because we are we're really appreciative
today of your support. Since we're gonna we wanted to

(42:38):
give you context on that clip and that's why we
played you so much of it. But sadly it does
lead to our demonetization. Ronda Abram's come on, Ronda, big
shots shout out, go for it, say your piece.

Speaker 3 (42:50):
I'll chip in. She says, right on, Thank you, Ronda. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (42:55):
And Jim Slayton, with a ten dollars super jet, says,
I also canceled my paramount plus and gave that's of course,
the paramoun plus stuff is related to the Colbert cancelation,
and I gave the monthly payment to the Mark Thompson Show.
When Colbert got canceled, I shout out a big shout
out and thank you Jim. Jim another og of the show.

(43:16):
How long before Trump clamps down on any show that
offends his poor sensibilities? F Trump f his ballroom. Ray
Magnum says, thank you, Harry for the five dollars super chat.
You know, the clamping down on broader speech is something
that we're concerned with. I mean, Albert identified it, and
we've been talking about it, really and it's been an
implicit threat for a long time, ever since we saw well,

(43:39):
I mean it goes to the earliest parts of this administration.
But you saw the clip the other day where he
said we may investigate you Jonathan Carl because you haven't
been very nice to me. I mean, it was an
extraordinary thing to hear a president say we ran the
clip here on the show. Nulla Fidian says, you're one
of the few voices of sanity that we have left. Mark, Well,
thank you for that. Nolafidion.

Speaker 3 (43:58):
I give you a big shout out, big shout out.

Speaker 1 (44:00):
Pamela Kirby, Thanks Mark, Kim Albert taking risk for the
First Amendment. I appreciate that. A twenty dollars super chat. Wow,
thank you, Pamela, I appreciate that. And Nancy Boyd with
a twenty dollars super.

Speaker 3 (44:14):
Thank you so much.

Speaker 1 (44:15):
Nancy with an eye I love it. SJ Lola Santaze.
I always assume it's San Jose Lolo, right. Yeah, twenty
five dollars. Happy to be able to support this show.
Thank you, big shot shout out, San Jose Lola, and thank.

Speaker 10 (44:30):
You all the people that want free speech.

Speaker 3 (44:32):
Look at that.

Speaker 1 (44:34):
I mean, yeah, humor is art. What happens to American
art at this time of suppression? Yeah, thank you, that's
so true. John Dowey or John Dowe is that John Dowey,
thank you for the five dollars super chat. Of course,
you're right. I mean, this is the arts, so you're
very correct about the fact that you know, shutting down

(44:57):
an artist is shutting down speech. Amy b with a
ten dollars super chat says they are using these opportunities
as an excuse. MSNBC did the same thing with Matt
daud and the Wall Street Journal with Karen Attia and
look behind the curtain, this is all about a corporate
merger for oligarchs. Well, this is a truly jetliner view

(45:25):
of things. What's really happened. What's really happening is what
Amy is talking about, and that relates to and I
don't want to get in too deep with this today,
but we will in the Daisa ahead. But there really
is a huge oligarchical component to this. You're seeing these mergers.

(45:47):
I just mentioned the Sinclair Next Star than the merger
that Nextstar wants or this other immense television station group.
You're seeing major acquisitions through the tech billionaire who accompanied
Trump on his trip to Great Britain. I mean, why
did you bring all these tech billionaires And there's a
deal being made so that American tech billionaires are now

(46:10):
going to have a big piece of a lot of
the deal that's being made with Great Britain. So there
are ways in which there are so many in the
community of oligarchs who we occasionally get a look at together.
For example, if there is the dinner with the tech bros.
Or there is any number of public events at which

(46:32):
you see sort of in the orbit of the president,
all of these people who have control of so much
I include people in the administration. I mean Witcoff himself
is something at an oligarch right. He's a huge real
estate empire builder, and he now handles all of the
diplomacy for Middle East, for Europe, NATO, etc. And Witcoff

(46:54):
is at the center of a lot of this too.
So I think you're right to point to the oligarchs
in the fact that it's really going to be open
season on the plundering of so many resources and so
many economic opportunities. Jim Slaton with a ten dollars super chat.
I also deleted all my social media accounts to leave
no footprints for the regime to go after me. My
accounts are in suspended animation until the first Amendment returns.

(47:17):
A lot of people are doing that.

Speaker 10 (47:19):
Yeah, or going back and deleting posts that they've made
as if we should have to clean up our free speech,
and yet people are frightened.

Speaker 1 (47:29):
It's super unamerican. It's super unamerican. We shouldn't have.

Speaker 3 (47:32):
To now, you know.

Speaker 1 (47:33):
Speaking of that, Thank you, Jim Eaton love the Mark
Thompson Show. Love you back, Jim, big shout out, Thank you, Sir.
Misorganic with a ten dollars supersticker, Thank you so much,
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Speaker 3 (47:45):
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Speaker 1 (47:46):
And Richard Delemator, who is the hunter s Thompson of
the show, loves his various mind altering substances. Let us
eat cake. It does feel that way, doesn't it. Thank
you the two dollars super chat. The orange curtain has fallen,
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Speaker 3 (48:05):
Yeah. Yeah, I mean it's scary.

Speaker 1 (48:10):
This one's for Jimmy Quill classic says with a twenty
dollars super chat. Thank you, Quill big yeah, big shout
out to you. Thank you everybody for all to support.
Candice Worthman, who's an OG of the show, a fifty
dollars supersticker. So much did you say said much the fool?

Speaker 12 (48:26):

Speaker 3 (48:28):
Candace. Wow, very cool. Cranky charcoal nine ninety nine ten euros. Well,
thank you, cranky. I was going to send the chat
to sell. I was going to I was going to
send chat to celebrate a certain person's exit from the UK. Wow.

Speaker 1 (48:47):
Also, hope this helps with the demonetization. Thank you with
the ten euros and the ten I think those are
actually ten British sterling right, yeah, he's ever in the
UK ten pounds? Is that what they're going on? And
I should give you the thank.

Speaker 12 (49:00):
You, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you so.

Speaker 5 (49:03):
Much, thank you so much, thank.

Speaker 3 (49:06):
You for.

Speaker 1 (49:08):
Demonetized tip jar, says Sala the shoemaker. Thank you, thank you.

Speaker 3 (49:11):
For the shaker. Do we have that old that old
where is a salad shoemaker? We had Joey two eyes, like,
what else is there? Let me see if I can
little Tony. Yeah, that's so good. Oh my god, you guys.

Speaker 10 (49:26):
I'm overwhelmed by all the support today. But that's awesome.
Sala the shoemaker.

Speaker 3 (49:31):
Tony is it?

Speaker 10 (49:31):
Tony box?

Speaker 3 (49:32):
What is it? Joe box?

Speaker 10 (49:34):
Joe Box, that's right, joe oh.

Speaker 13 (49:38):
Joe box and little Anthony.

Speaker 3 (49:40):
Little yeah, and the shoemaker was joe fish.

Speaker 13 (49:43):
Sala the shoemaker, Box and little Anthony right.

Speaker 3 (49:47):
There they are.

Speaker 1 (49:49):
Keep up the good work, Mark and Kim all your
excellent crew. And guess Vivian el Shall she's an og
of the show. Thank you for the ten dollars super chat.

Speaker 3 (49:56):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 13 (49:57):
Joe Fish Sala the shoemaker, Yeah.

Speaker 1 (50:01):
Big big shout out to Vivian, Thank you, viv the mark,
the Mark fifty one six twenty seven with an eight
dollars and ten cent super chat. Kind of a tip
of the hat to our old radio station KGO, which
was eight.

Speaker 3 (50:16):
Ten y'all, thank you, thank you, big shot shout out. Wow.

Speaker 1 (50:21):
Jacqueline Buckley, Wow, it's feeling like a telethon around here.
I need a quick cup.

Speaker 3 (50:26):
Of a little ship of Coachella Valley coffee.

Speaker 10 (50:30):
All the people that wanted to hear the voices of
the cent that's what this says.

Speaker 1 (50:35):
Yeah, Jacqueline Buckley, how about a ten dollars super chat, Wow, supersticker.
I should say thank you very much. Didn't even bother
with the chat, just here's the money.

Speaker 3 (50:44):
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Speaker 1 (50:45):
Yeah, thank you, Jacqueline Buckley, very cool, really appreciate it.
The Tash with a five dollars supersticker. Yeah, big chot
cousin eerie. The bottom line is satirical and alternative speech.
We'll have to find alternative roots. Yeah, I mean, this
is a serious time in this country where a fundamental

(51:07):
freedom is being snatched away from us.

Speaker 3 (51:10):
It's scary. I'm not going to lie to you. Dell
and Bob with a fifty dollars supersticker. Wow, I'm going
to give.

Speaker 12 (51:19):
Him the thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, the.

Speaker 1 (51:22):
Fourth thank you, thank you. Dell and Bob really do
appreciate that. And to carry with a twenty dollars supersticker. Wow,
thank you guy. It's really appreciated. Mark and Kim, you
inform us often depress us. We appreciate you incredibly, says
Karen Cooper. Well, she's an og also, thank you, fifty
dollars super chat.

Speaker 12 (51:41):

Speaker 1 (51:43):
Really really cool. Thank you so much. And here's the
free speech, says Denise I with a twenty five dollars
donation of the show with a twenty five dollars super chat, wow,
thank you.

Speaker 3 (51:56):
Job.

Speaker 10 (51:56):
I should be you know, cheersing to that on the
day of its Demid.

Speaker 1 (52:00):
Yeah, it's a it's a weird thing that right, but
she's right. I mean, and you know, just on this
and I'm gonna get to gon fishing in a minute.

Speaker 3 (52:10):
I'll just what is that? Is that a what is
gone fishing saying kim you're good with the.

Speaker 10 (52:16):
It says mahal keita.

Speaker 3 (52:17):
But what does it mean? Albert?

Speaker 2 (52:19):
Do we know as to go for? I love you so.

Speaker 3 (52:22):
Oh gon fishing, mahal Keita is how you said?

Speaker 5 (52:32):
Very good?

Speaker 10 (52:33):
What cool? What kind of a cool show is this
that we have our own translator right here?

Speaker 1 (52:38):
We're so sophisticated. Thank you, Gonfishing. I wanted to just
show you hold on a second before Lala. I wanted
to Albert show them though. The Brendan Carr tweet, that
was the amazing thing. This guy, Brendan Carr, he's head
of the FCC. He's the guy who championed the cancelation
of Jimmy Kimmel. He laid out the way in which

(52:59):
Kimmel could be canceled by the Sinclair stations, saying that
they would no longer carry Jimmy Kimmel. Brendan Carr had
this to say when President Biden was president. President Biden
is right. Political satire is one of the oldest and
most important forms of free speech. It challenges those in

(53:19):
power while using humor to draw more people into the discussion.
That's why people in influential positions have always targeted it
for censorship. That's Brendan Carr saying that the very guy
who was the prime mover behind the censoring of Jimmy Kimmel.
It's crazy. It really is crazy. It speaks to how

(53:43):
absurd this situation is. I mean, you may not think
Jimmy Kimmel's funny, you may not like the humor. You
may be offended by it because you like Donald Trump.
And if you're Donald Trump, you may be really angered
by it because you are Donald Trump. But he has
right to go on and do. It can not be
a saled, It cannot be removed, and yet it has been.

(54:08):
I'll do a few more acknowledgments at Albert and then
I wanted to get a couple of quick headlines before
we go to David Katz. Lala with a twenty dollars supersticker. Wow, bigot,
Thank you, Lala, love it, love it. Trevor Maxon, how
about a twenty dollars super chat Keep up the good work, Mark,
you keep me sane during these chaotic times. Wow, thank

(54:29):
you man, that's really cool. Thank you so much, Trevor,
appreciate that. Mark Robinson, Wow, are you kidding me? Here's
the free speech one hundred dollars super chat. I am
going to cry today.

Speaker 3 (54:48):
This is a wow.

Speaker 1 (54:52):
Candace Mick with a twenty dollars supersticker, A super chat.
I should say, she's a She's an og, Candace Mix
she Mark's madness one year. Every time Trump opens his mouth,
I cringe. Being able to laugh calms me. These are
scary times. So much, but thank you for the contribution, Candice,
and we always remember you as a winner to Mark's

(55:15):
courage and free speech.

Speaker 3 (55:16):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (55:17):
Well, it scares me the more they talk about a
courageous I'm being Yeah. Vicki and Sauce Alito, you are
an og of this show. Vicki and the Sacilados here
almost every day. I am not gonna cry, but one
hundred dollars, thank you for that. Big shout out. Thank you.
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(55:39):
Wren and Cameo want to thank the Mark Thompson Show
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Speaker 3 (55:45):
Oh that's sweet. Thank you Wren big shout out, thank
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Twenty dollars supersticker from super Chatt, I should say from
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is the keeper. And look at this one hundred dollars.
I'm not gonna cry. It's one hundred dollars supersticker.

Speaker 3 (56:19):
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Speaker 1 (56:20):
I am very thank you, thank you, thank you, thank
you the four thank yous, and I'm so humbled by that.
I really am. I have said it and I will
say it again to Trump you can't handle the truth.

Speaker 3 (56:31):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (56:32):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (56:33):
Thank you Chaplain Fred, who has ascended in the world
of those who are a big part of the contribution world.
I'm talking about just in the chat. Every day they
contribute chat thoughts and Chaplain Fred always with the support.

Speaker 3 (56:47):
So thank you for the twenty dollars super.

Speaker 12 (56:49):
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Speaker 1 (56:50):
I'll chip into, says Angela Silva with a twenty dollars
super chat. This is where I get my news every day.
Love you guys. Wow, thank you so much, big check.
And in keeping with that suggestion, I want to get
to some news. Can you give me a little run
around the news before I get to David Katz, the

(57:11):
former federal prosecutor. I'll tell you we've been obviously concentrating
on this Jimmy Kimmel thing and the various puzzle pieces
that come together to produce this moment. There was other
stuff going on, and I'll get to it a little
bit later. For example, the ousted head of the CDC
was speaking in a Senate hearing yesterday and it if

(57:36):
you want chilling, it's chilling, and I'll share you. I'll
share with you the testimony a piece of it. A
little bit later. I want to get some kim news,
and then I want to get into David Katz and
a little bit of the legal challenges. And by the way,

(57:58):
David Katz is very strong on predictions, very strong on
illegal predictions as a former federal prosecutor, served distinguishedly distinguished
service under the Reagan administration.

Speaker 3 (58:10):
I believe and he and I disagree about something. I'll share.

Speaker 1 (58:16):
I mean, I have a different prediction about what the
Supreme Court will rule than does David Katz, but he's
the one with all the legal background. I'm just the
one who kind of knows. I feel like I know
the texture of humanity at this moment, so we'll offer
I think, differing perspectives when that conversation starts. I will

(58:39):
also get back to recognizing so many of you who
have seen this show and this particular episode as so
critical to the national conversation, and for that reason, I
wanted to do certain things on the show, which we've done,
which of course take us out of any kind of
monetization today, and you guys have more than made up

(59:01):
for the kind of hit we're going to take on
this show. But I wanted you to see everything in context,
and that's why we did what we did in the
first hour Kim's News.

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Speaker 10 (59:20):
It with your iron Rode.

Speaker 1 (59:22):
Kim's News, and then we continue with David Kats and
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today as well. President Trump says Jimmy Kimmel was taken
off the air because of bad ratings, ABC suspending the
late night talk show host indefinitely after he made a
comment about the accused killer of Charlie Kirk. Now he

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made a comment about the reaction to Kirk's death by
President Trump. The announcement came after Nextstar Media Group, a
major operator of ABC affiliated stations, set in a statement
it strongly objects to the comment and will replace the
show with other programming in its ABC affiliated markets. Meanwhile,
protesters are gathering today outside the L. Capitan Theater in Hollywood,

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where Jimmy Kimmel Live was recorded. The protest comes a
day after he was indefinitely suspended. The protest organized by
a group called Refusefascism dot org, calling for Kimmel to
be reinstated immediately. The group also plans to march on Washington,
DC in November to call for Trump to step down.

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I don't see that happening to you.

Speaker 3 (01:00:42):
I don't know.

Speaker 10 (01:00:44):
Meanwhile, military leaders consider recruiting campaigns centered around Charlie Kirk
possible slogans include Charlie has awakened a generation of warriors
to talk of using Turning Point USA chapters as military
recruitment centers in America. Pennsylvania Governor Josh Shapiro is suggesting

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that some people want to cherry pick which instances of
political violence they condemn. Democratic Governor's comments follow the fatal
shooting of Charlie Kirk in Utah last week. During a
recent summit, Shapiro told attendees during moments like this, he said,
I believe we have a responsibility to be clear and
unequivocal in calling out all forms of political violence and

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making clear it's all wrong. President Trump is currently flying
back to the United States after concluding his second state
visit to the UK. He spent yesterday and today meeting
with King Charles and Prime Minister Keir Starmer. Arguments on
whether or not Trump's tariff plan is legal will be
heard by the Supreme Court come November. The focus to

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be on Trump using a law meant for times of
emergency to impose these duties without the help of Congress.
The High Court is scheduled on oral arguments for November fifth,
after it has agreed to fast track this case. The
Supreme Court is being asked by the Trump administration to
lift rulings made by lower courts that block the firing

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of Federal Reserve Governor Lisa Cook. This comes a day
after Cook was a participant in the Federal Open Market Committee,
which cut interest rates by a quarter percentage point. In
the Justice Department's filing, Solicitor General d John Sower said,
this involves yet another case of improper judicial interference with
the president's removal authority.

Speaker 3 (01:02:33):
We'll talk about that with David Katsch. Obviously, that appeal,
and I say appeal, it's not a formal appeal, it's
just a it's an ask that the president is making
to the Supreme Court.

Speaker 10 (01:02:44):
President Trump says the United States is looking to reclaim
Bogram Air Base in Afghanistan. Speaking alongside British Prime Minister
Keir Starmer, Trump said Afghanistan needs things from the United States,
and he said they want the base back. Troops left
the base in twenty twenty one and what has been
a highly criticized withdrawal an immigration judge ordering the deportation

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of Mahmud Khalil to either Algeria or Syria. They're not
sure which it's a pick a country situation.

Speaker 3 (01:03:16):
Wow.

Speaker 10 (01:03:16):
Court documents show the judge alleged in a hearing last Friday,
the former Columbia University grad student omitted information from his
green card application. Khalil had been detained by the Trump
administration as part of a crackdown on those criticizing Israel's
war in Gaza, and that is all it takes for
them to deport you. California Governor Gavin Newsom is responding

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to the Trump Administration's position on vaccines. Newsom says Health
and Human Services Secretary RFK Junior fired every member of
the CDC's Immunization Advisory Panel and replaced them with vaccine skeptics.
It's a move, Governor Newsom says puts Californian's ability to
access critical immunizations at risk. He says California is joining

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Oregon and Washington and establishing new guidelines, beginning with a
vaccine schedule for the winter virus season. He says the
move is grounded in both transparency and in science. So
that is what is happening here in California. There's some
organ transplant reform. Speaking of Health and Human Services Secretary

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of RFK Junior he's looking to reform the nation's organ
transplant system, announcing that they are reforming the network and
investing in new ways to encourage organ donation. He said
the change is coming years after documented patients safety data
failures and repeated violations of federal requirements. Transplant experts say

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there's been a spike in people revoking organ donor registrations
due to increased incidents of attempts to remove organs from
patients who had been mistakenly declared dead.

Speaker 1 (01:04:56):
That well, I don't know. That's a horror movie. But
I would also sha the organ donation system in America
is flawed. There is a problem with it, But I
don't believe for a second that RFK Junior is doing
anything to address it in any kind of substantive way.
I mean, he's so very compromised. I mean in all

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the ways that so many in this administration are. I mean,
you know, with financial interest of one short or another.
He's a train wreck.

Speaker 3 (01:05:23):
I know.

Speaker 10 (01:05:23):
We have my one true love, David Katz on the
show In just moments, Saul, wrap it.

Speaker 3 (01:05:27):
Up with this.

Speaker 10 (01:05:28):
If you see an Egyptian looking bracelet, you might want
to stop and take a second look. Egyptian authorities are
searching for this ancient gold bracelet that disappeared from a
museum in Cairo. It was pretty cool, somebody wanted that one.
Egypt's Tourism and Antiquities Ministry says the three thousand year
old bracelet belonged to a pharaoh king. Let go just

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say it, right, A minimobi, a minimoa. Sure, that's how
he said. Yeah, ruled Egypt from nine to ninety three
to nine eighty four BC. They said it was being
restored in a laboratory at this Egyptian museum when the
bracelet went missing. Recently, the ministry says, a photo of
the bracelet is being sent to airports, seaports, and border

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crossings across Egypt to keep it from being smuggled out
of the country.

Speaker 3 (01:06:17):
I mean, you know what happens if you take that bracelet.
What happens?

Speaker 10 (01:06:22):
The beatles will suck all the bodily fluids from you.

Speaker 3 (01:06:26):
And what's gonna happen to you?

Speaker 10 (01:06:28):
It's cursed exactly how he is coming after you.

Speaker 1 (01:06:30):
Yeah, didn't anybody see the Exorcist? Go watch the Exorcist.
That's what happens when you take these antiquities. You take
these antiquities, you think you know, I've got something valuable.

Speaker 3 (01:06:40):
No, you don't.

Speaker 1 (01:06:41):
You have the beginnings of being haunted by the beyond.
It's not a good thing.

Speaker 10 (01:06:48):
No, it's like taking lava from Hawaii or you know,
thank you rock.

Speaker 3 (01:06:51):
Don't just like that.

Speaker 13 (01:06:53):
No, no, no, exactly.

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Speaker 3 (01:07:51):
The Mark Thompson.

Speaker 1 (01:07:53):
I'm into it. My favorite attorney is on the show.
He was a longtime federal prosecutor. Now he's a defense attorney,
but he's one of the great legal analysts in the
English speaking world.

Speaker 3 (01:08:07):
He's had quite the week.

Speaker 1 (01:08:08):
I've just seen clips with David Katz on virtually every
major network overseas network. Incredible. H He's so generous to
come here on Thursdays. He is, as I say, the
great attorney and legal mind. David Katz.

Speaker 5 (01:08:26):
Everyone, Hi wat to be with you.

Speaker 1 (01:08:28):
Mark, David, congratulations on. I don't know how you got
any actual legal work done with you making all these appearances.
I mean, everybody's banging down your door to get you
on their on their network.

Speaker 5 (01:08:40):
But a lot of work in my legal cases this week.
But I had to make time for Heraldo come on.

Speaker 3 (01:08:46):
Oh yeah, he was on. He was on with Heroldo.

Speaker 1 (01:08:49):
I thought you were Actually I don't know, I don't
want to create it, but I thought you were both
very good, but I thought you were a little bit
better than Heraldo.

Speaker 3 (01:08:56):
Okay, so Coaldos could not come on.

Speaker 5 (01:09:00):
Hold is a great talent, and he's you know, he's witty,
and you know, he's got a lot of years of
doing that and he has a lot of stage presence.

Speaker 1 (01:09:08):
Yeah, yeah, just like me. Thank you, Thank you veryone,
Thank you for bringing it back home.

Speaker 3 (01:09:14):
All right.

Speaker 1 (01:09:15):
First, the news of the day, the removal of Jimmy Kimmel.
The mechanisms behind getting rid of him are I'll just
stated very simply, FCC Commissioner de Cries. What Jimmy Kimmel
said recharacterizes on some level what Jimmy Kimmel said, because
Jimmy Kimmel didn't really do anything in the way of

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making fun of Charlie Kirk. Instead, Jimmy Kimmel is someone
who has constantly made fun of Donald Trump, no secret
that Trump hates Kimmel. Finally, of the SEC Commissioner maybe
finding a moment that he could leverage to suggest the
removal of Kimmel by the Sinclair stations. Sinclair Stations and

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the next Star stations jump on. That's really the way
in which ABC I think saw, Oh my god, we're
in trouble here. And then even ABC that has, as
you know, merger approval waiting for the acquisition of NFL network,
et cetera. These things all work, and Nextstar is part
of that too. Nexttar wants its own approval from government

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to acquire even more stations, and both Sinclair and Nexttar
want a loosening of the number of stations that these
companies can have and have control of, an ownership of,
so all these things they want from government. And now
government saying we hate this guy Kimmel. If I were you,
I get rid of him, I drop him, et cetera.
He ends up being suspended immediately. Speak to the legality though,

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because the reality of what Kimmel said is that it
is something that seems like very much First Amendment protected.

Speaker 5 (01:10:52):
Well, the first thing is that the First Amendment is
very much implicated because there was government action. This wasn't
just ABCA on its own deciding that they didn't like
his show or his particular line. This was government intervention,
which is the core of First Amendment protection against government action.
The government took action. The FCC head, this Brendan Carr,

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who's hand picked by Trump is. You know, it made noise.
He made threats either directly to ABC or that got
back to ABC that this was something that the government
wanted to see done. So I very much sympathize with
Jimmy Kimmel in this situation. I think that he's going
to get back on the air. That's not a real

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katsadamis because I don't know that much about the broadcast industry.
But you know, he does this really big show from
Brooklyn which is very much viewed. I think it's scheduled
for a week or two's he makes money for ABC,
and that segment that he does in Brooklyn is going
to make a lot of money for ABC. And I
think that, you know, he'll issue some kind of a
statement saying that it was an in artful way to

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say it's something like that. And I think that this
indefinite suspension will end. I don't think he's going to
be taken off the air. I think ABC and Disney
have more clout than some of the other ones that
show this station. But you're absolutely right, it's not a
monolithic Disney or ABC. It's these other partners that carry this,
the affiliates as they used to be called, and they

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broadcast it into various cities and they said they weren't
going to broadcast it, and some of them yes, they're
looking to get approvals for their mergers. Now, you know,
you could certainly take the high road and say, if
you've got a merger that makes sense, even if the
FCC says no, even if the Federal Trade Commission says no,
you go to court and you show that it's not
anti competitive and that it ought to be approved. And

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if you trust the judiciary, then you know and your
shareholders understand that that you have a right to this merger.
It makes sense, it's not anti competitive, and if the
FCC or the FDC don't approve it, you go to
court with great lawyers and you ask the courts to
say that it's not violating the law and should be approved.
Of course, the easy way out is to just knuckle under,

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go to Trump do exactly what Paramount did. They didn't
want to test whether that would fly in court. That
lady who sold her share for millions of dollars, billions
of dollars, Sherry Redstone is Sharry Redstone. So this Sherry Redstone,
you know, she lined her pockets. I think she's kind
of basically a NEPO baby, right. It was Redstone the

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dad who made all of this money. So, but she
didn't want to test the court. She wanted to take
the easy money. And so I think that this is
really a scandal, Mark, what's going on right here? Because
if he said something that was in artful, you know,
the line about the line he said about Maga, that
happens every day. It's not even a news show, Mark, Now,

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you and I, of course, and Kim, we never say
anything in artful or not carefully thought out and landing
exactly the way that we wanted to. But it happens.
It happens in new shows, it happens in comedy shows,
for God's sake. And normally what they say is, you know,
if I said that thing the other night, I should
have made it clearer that so and so. That is
the most remedy that applies to a situation like that.

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They issue a little partial retraction and make it clear
what the comic point was, and not asserting a factual
point that maybe wasn't entirely factual. That things have gotten
to this level is nothing but those affiliate stations pandering
to the Trump administration and is absolutely you know, Trump
gave that inaugural speech that he was going to do
something to help with a free speech. He didn't mean

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a word of it. Only meant by fostering free speech
was to foster the kind of speech that he liked
and to punish his enemies who speak in ways that
he doesn't like.

Speaker 1 (01:14:41):
I think on the question of whether Kimmel returns, there
is significant demand that is being made by some of
these parties that have controlled these stations. Sinclair for example,
demand of Kimmel to do more than just craft some

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statement of the sort that you're speaking of. And again,
this is sort of out of the legal and more
into the practical. But just because we're on it, we'll
digress for a second and then we'll get back to
the legal. And specifically, what they're demanding is that there
be a contribution made to Turning Point USA, Charlie Kirk's
political activism entity, and for there to be a former

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apology issue to Charlie Kirk and his family. And I'm
just wondering if that isn't when you know you've said
something that's not in the least bit offensive to Charlie
Kirk's family. I mean, he was quite as we posted
the tweet or ex post on social media that Kimmell

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issued within a I think it was the same day
that Charlie Kirk was murdered. He posted a very heartfelt
thought about the fact that his heart was broken for
the Kirk family, for the wife, for the children, how
this is a horrible thing, has no place in American society,
and political violence is wrong. It was quite wonderful what

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Kirk got from the Kirk family got from Jimmy Kimmel.
So all I'm trying to say is Jimmy would then
have to somehow apologize something he didn't do, and then
he would make a financial contribution substantials what they're demanding.
This is from Sinclair to Kirk's political activism entity.

Speaker 3 (01:16:32):
This may be a bridge too far.

Speaker 1 (01:16:34):
I mean again, if that is the cost of doing business,
I just don't see Kimmel stepping up that way.

Speaker 3 (01:16:40):
But maybe I'm wrong.

Speaker 5 (01:16:41):
He should not issue an apology. I think if I
were one of his lawyers or advisors, I'd tell him
to not issue an apology. If the money that they
want small enough and it's coming from ABC, Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:16:51):
That's different. Yeah, he goes on the.

Speaker 5 (01:16:53):
Air the next day it says, we got shaken down,
we got shaken dead by some of the best extortions
in the business, like Trump, and just keep telling the
jokes that he tells. That's what you know. Some people
say that maybe Bill Maher has not exactly kept hitting
Trump as hard as he used to before he went
to that dinner. I don't know why he wanted to
have dinner, you know, Mark, I could see why he'd

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want to have dinner with you or me or you know,
somebody who taught at some university. Why is Trump interesting?
Why is anything about that interesting? You know? Why did
Bill Maher even go there? But you have to say this,
for Colbert, since he's been canceled, he's kept it coming.
He hasn't been intimidated, he hasn't back down.

Speaker 3 (01:17:33):
And yeah, he's living on borrow time.

Speaker 1 (01:17:35):
And for sure, Salamaker says, if I were Jimmy Kimmel,
I would just retweet the tweet and say, there's my
apology what I said the day, you know, the day
of his murder. This is what I said, and I
stand by it. It was a heartfelt post.

Speaker 5 (01:17:49):
He might make that comment that he made a little
bit clear the way that he made the comment, not
that Trump wasn't trying to exploit the terrible killing of
Charlie Kirk, not that Trump wasn't trying to exploit it
for every little political drop he could try to get
out of it instead of just uniting the country.

Speaker 1 (01:18:08):
Well, that's basically what Kimmel said, though he said that
it's being exploited for a political nage.

Speaker 3 (01:18:12):
Isn't that what he said?

Speaker 5 (01:18:13):
He sort of suggested that maybe the alleged shooter was
part of MAGA, and and that was the implication in there,
And well, he was raised in a Republican family. He
was raised in a Republican family. But I don't think
there's really the kind of factual showing that you would
like to have for people who would find that offensive.

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And a joke like that too close, you know, there's
sometimes too close to the awful event to tell a
joke about it. A lot of people, I think have
just refrained from telling any kind of thing. And it
was I'll just say this, I think if Jimmy had
it to do over again, because I think he's a
master comedian, I think he would have phrased that line
a little differently, and I think he should say I

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would have phrased that line a little differently, you know.
And anyway, I.

Speaker 1 (01:19:01):
Thought, and I just think after the kirk assassination, there
were two sides, both trying to lay their narrative over it.

Speaker 3 (01:19:10):
That's what I made. I made this point in the
first hour.

Speaker 1 (01:19:12):
I mean, after the Kirk assassination, the presumption was, oh
my god, it's someone from the left, and the left
is swimming away from that. I mean people on the
left just generally. I mean that's a wide spectrum, I understand.
But similarly, when the left found out, oh, he's from
a Maga family, I mean, he was brought up in
this family that we find out, you know, was defined

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by certain kind of Maga allegiances, the left goes, oh
my god, you see he's Maga one of your own.
You know, both were trying to jump on this thing
for for reasons that were associated with.

Speaker 3 (01:19:44):
Their own narratives.

Speaker 1 (01:19:44):
Then we find out that well, he was a fallen Maga,
meaning he was you know, he fell out of that
family and he really probably does fall more into the
area of left wing politics, at least as far as
LGBTQ and trans right concerned. I mean, isn't that a fair,
real characterization of what went on?

Speaker 5 (01:20:03):
Well, first of all, you know, just the foundation if
you're going to tell that joke, and you think about it,
you sit with your lawyers and your advisors. Okay, you
should really plump to the depths of this, especially after
it happened with you know, so close to the time
of Charlie Kirk's political assassination. And so I think that
you know, he said in the chat, this fascinating chat.

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I mean, a screenwriter couldn't have written a more fascinating
chat than the one that he had with his roommate
that his roommate turned over. His roommate was cooperative. You know.
They asked me with Heraldo whether I thought that the
roommate would be prosecuted, and I don't see any basis
for the roommate to be prosecuted. He didn't know in
advance what was going to happen, and he was cooperative

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with the authorities. And at least has been reported he's
the one who turned over that chat, which is very
incriminating of the suspect. But I think that the suspects
said in there after Trump won, my parents went more Maga,
they went Maga something like that. But that doesn't make
it true. That doesn't make it true that he's from
a Maga family, and you know the fact that he

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was raised in a Republican family. It's just a line
that could have been. But my god, you go through
it with that kind of fine tooth comb. I mean,
he has a right under the First Amendment not to
have the government go over his you know, material with
a fine tooth comb like that and demand that people
with the power to do it get him taken off
the air. This is a gross violation of the First

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Amendment because you have government action. And of course, the
funny thing about the Trump people is they do all
the things out loud, They do the misconduct right out loud.
Partly is that they want you to know that they
will commit misconduct. They want you to know that they
will do things that break the law and that break
norms to try to get you. That's part of the
authoritarian intimidation thing. And so they want the world to know.

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You know, LBJ might have made that secret phone call.
You wouldn't have heard about it for twenty years, but
you heard about Brendan Carr and all the things that
he did. Is Trump handpicked FCC chief to get Kimmel,
even though it was government action, which is totally unwarranted
and inappropriate for something like that.

Speaker 1 (01:22:09):
This is a huge distinction. Just to underscore it that
David has made it, and I think you've underscored it,
which is ABC next Ar Sinclair. You can get rid
of Kimmel if you want to. You can be offended
by the speech, whatever it is, and you can let
your offense around that speech dictate your decision to drop Kimmel.

Speaker 3 (01:22:27):
You can do that.

Speaker 1 (01:22:27):
You're the company, you're the employer or whatever. But the
minute you the government do it, now you are in
violation of First Amendment freedoms exactly. So there is Carr
and a shot of car and Trump together And by
the way, Underdog is right, Jimmy just made a joke
about Trump's lack of empathy for Charlie Kirk. I remember

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he went right into the discussion of the ballroom, and
that became something that Jimmy focused on as an odd
way to characterize your or feelings and emotions around the
loss of Charlie Kirk. Given the fact that's what the
question was, how are you dealing with the loss of
your friend Charlie Kirk.

Speaker 5 (01:23:09):
If I were his lawyer and I had heard what
he was going to say before he said all of it,
I think the thing that would have been worth talking
about was, you know is something like the Maga people
will do everything they can to make sure you don't
think about the fact that it was one of their
own mega people, one of their own, that this alleged

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shooter was one of their own, that he was a
Maga person. That's the one that I would have told
him better way to read. Why don't we rephrase that, Jimmy.

Speaker 1 (01:23:40):
The lawsuit that Donald Trump has launched against the New
York Times fifteen billion dollars in.

Speaker 3 (01:23:48):
These figures, I think are just picked out of the ether.

Speaker 5 (01:23:50):
But will he take a check? Will he take a check?

Speaker 1 (01:23:53):
He wants to sue the New York Times is suing
the New York Times. And this is a little different
than the Wall Street Journal suit. And the Wall Street
Journal thing is about the birthday card, the Epstein thing.
This is about a book that a lot of these
New York Times writers were contributors to. I think it's
called Lucky Loser. It describes the Trump ascendants to billionaire status,

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but it describes really how he was a businessman, gifted
all this money from his father, as I understand it,
I haven't read the book, but based on everything I've read,
and then he squandered it, all these bankruptcies. He really
was a poor businessman, to be polite about it, I mean,
just a bysmal businessman. And then he makes his way

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into the presidency based on other things. And his image
as a great businessman and billionaire is one that was
crafted by the NBC Apprentice people, Mark Burnett and such,
and so the image that one has in the American
electorate and just in the zeitgeist itself is that Trump's
a successful billionaire when the reality is he was a
loser businessman. That's the central thing that Trump was offended

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by and is claiming is incorrect. And the legal filing,
and this is something you may want to comment on,
is filled with all of these things that ingratiate themselves
to Donald Trump.

Speaker 3 (01:25:13):
You know, it's all ego.

Speaker 1 (01:25:15):
That's you claimed in your book that Mark Burnett was
the reason for the success of The Apprentice, and in truth,
I Donald Trump was the reason for the success of
The Apprentice. I was the host, and I was very
much responsible for the success of that show.

Speaker 3 (01:25:31):
That's the overview. Tell me about this court, this case.

Speaker 5 (01:25:34):
Well, this case, so far as I can see, is
absolutely frivolous. That's a level above frivolous, which means it
has absolutely no barrit This is absolutely, absolutely has no merit.
You cannot sue over some opinion thing like that. You
have to show under the New York Times versus Sullivan's
standard that's been in effects since I think nineteen sixty
four by a large majority of the US Supreme Court,

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that you have to show either reckless, you know, indifference
to the truth, or knowing falsity. So you would have
to show that these reporters. One of the things that
he says is that you gave credit in your book
to Mark Burnett for the success of The Apprentice more
than you gave it to me. So you would have
to have I suppose you know documents which proved that

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somehow that was knowingly false, which it seems to me
like such a matter of opinion. I don't think they
could get to first base even talk about that being false.
It's an opinion, it's someone's impression. How can you say
who is more responsible? I mean you and I both
know Mark that someone who thinks of a show with
a brilliant idea, you could put almost anybody in there
if the idea is brilliant enough. And other shows are

(01:26:44):
made very much by the personality of the host. Who
the hell knows which is which? And it's an opinion.
And you can see that show and you could say, Okay,
you think it was more that it was, you know,
such a clever thing. You're fired. You know the whole
way it was done, the set and everything else, and
this other stuff. That he was a bad businessman, I
guarantee you they have records that show that he had
six or seven bankruptcies with the casinos that he had

(01:27:08):
in Atlantic City. As people say, how do you lose
money with a casino unless you're doing something really weird?
You wonder how do you lose money at a casino?
And during some of that time, Atlantic City was doing
good business. It's not like the clip. They just fell
off a cliff in Atlantic City. Then of course there's
the Plaza Hotel that wasn't run to make a profit.

(01:27:30):
As I understand what they're what they're proven everything else
that they've said, you know, from all the allegations. Let's
not forget all the allegations which were proven in court
against him, how he'd inflated the size of his apartment,
how he'd lied to those banks, misled those banks. He
still has judgments hanging around his head for all that
kind of stuff. So, to make a long story short,

(01:27:51):
that lawsuit's going nowhere. And the real question is will
the courts allow enough sanctions against a frivolous plaintive like
Trump to really make it not worth their while? So
far they have not landed on Trump with enough sanctions
that have actually hit him, and that he's had to pay.
That this is all great sport for him because the

(01:28:12):
cost benefit analysis, he comes up with more benefit, especially
with his magabase, than the cost is to him. And
I think he can hide a lot of his property
down there in Florida. I think a lot of it's
in trust. But you know, the idea would be not
only what you paid, had made the New York Times
pay in attorney's fees to defend this frivolous lawsuit, but

(01:28:32):
something to punish the filing of a frivolous lawsuit which
any other plaintiff would get hit with. And it seems
like Trump always seems to skate with the courts.

Speaker 1 (01:28:41):
He's ready to take retribution in one way or another
against any that blow back on him. It's no wonder.
I mean, I think the one thing about the Trump
presidency that to me is sort of the defining aspect
of it is the way that he's completely cowed every
American institution designed to regular the power of the chief executive.
It's amazing. I mean, just look at Congress. I mean again,

(01:29:04):
this isn't a digression. This is very much on what
you're talking about, the fact that no member of his
party is ready to push back on him at all.
I mean, no one had this. You know, the history
of Nixon and Reagan. Reagan was incredibly popular. There were
people and he is party that would push back on Reagan.
None of that would Trump. He has completely intimidated Everyone's

(01:29:26):
got He's got loyalists everywhere, and I include the legal profession.
I think what you're talking about, where you know there
might be a judgment that has some punitive aspects to
it to discourage these kinds of nuisance suits. They just
are afraid of producing a judgment like that.

Speaker 5 (01:29:44):
It's very hard for me to understand. You take someone
like Tillis, he's the senator, Republican senator from North Carolina,
he's not going to run again, and you take this Ernst,
This Joni Ernst. She paraded around and postured as someone
who wanted to help women as service members, and then
she allowed Hagesith, She gave the okay for Hagesith to

(01:30:05):
become the head of the Department of Defense. So she
was shown to be a complete fraud in her supposed
concern for women and abuse that they suffered in the military.
Because it was clear that Hagesith wasn't going to do
anything about it, and she supposedly cared about it. She's
not running. So you think, why did these two who
weren't going to run, Why didn't they stand up? And

(01:30:26):
not all two of them alone could have stopped Hayesth.
The two of them alone could have stopped so many
terrible policies and personnel choices of the Trump administration, and
they didn't. And that's what I don't understand. I don't
understand because people think, well, they'd get primary, they never
win their seat again. They weren't going to win their
seat anyway, do they think Trump can somehow punish them
after they leave office? And in what way are they

(01:30:49):
What are they afraid of? And somebody ought to try
to report, you know, what is it they're afraid of?
What if Trump is really holding something over their head,
that's a huge story.

Speaker 1 (01:30:59):
I think that they're afraid of what we're talking about
in the New America. They're afraid of political violence. They're
afraid of the MAGA nation turning back on them in
some way.

Speaker 3 (01:31:08):
I mean it is are.

Speaker 5 (01:31:11):
They're not running And in terms of being protected, uh,
you know, those states will protect them even if Trump says, well, okay,
I'm not giving you any you know force that'll that
will help you, you know, any protective force. Like he's
taken away from former Vice President Kamalo Harris out here,
Like he's taken away from those people who were threatened
with death by the Iranian regime, people like Bolton and

(01:31:35):
somebody else threatened with death, and he's taken away their
security detail. Believe me, Iowa and North Carolina will give
those former Republican senators a security detail so that they're
not scared of some Trump you know inspired you know
violence against them, So you wonder what is it that
they're really scared of. I want to talk about one
other thing too, if we can, because I think it's

(01:31:55):
really on this topic and it's Cook, and it's them
going around and looking.

Speaker 3 (01:31:59):
That was the next topic anyway, So go for it, please,
you go for it.

Speaker 1 (01:32:02):
Ask your question, well, I mean the Lisa Cook situation
with her being on the Federal Reserve Governor's board. She
is someone who Trump has targeted. He wanted to get
rid of her. He tried to fire her. She pushed
back on that. Rightly, it's not within his power to
fire her. And Trump has now done the end around,
gone right to his concierge Supreme Court and says, hey,

(01:32:23):
I want to get rid of her, and I want
you to say it's okay.

Speaker 5 (01:32:27):
Kat sadamis. They will leave her on the Federal Reserve governor.
I think for now. I don't think the US Supreme
Court is going to you know, there's an order right
now from the Appellate Court that she can continue to
hold that post and until they decide on the merits
it reaches the US Supreme Court on the merits, I
think that they will duck this one. And I think

(01:32:48):
that they're right to duck this one. We talked about
it the other day.

Speaker 14 (01:32:51):
It's not their job to go all around the country
and decide whether every appellate decision in America looks like
it's right or wrong and make a prediction how it'll
come out without full briefing and an argument, and on
the emergency docket granted stay, not granted, state granted to stay,
not granted stay.

Speaker 5 (01:33:07):
And I think in this one, I think there are
several reasons while why the US Supreme Court will steer
clear of this one. One of them is that there
is some due process that's entitled my God. These people
who are being deported out of the United States are
entitled to some due process. A Federal Reserve Board governor
is entitled to some due process before she's removed, so

(01:33:30):
they stay. There are these allegations that are fished up
by this Pulty guy, this Bill Pulty guy in the administration,
a fellow NEPO baby, NEPO billionaire air like Trump, this
Bill Poulty guy. Anyway, he's fished up these supposed allegations.
There's no due process at all. She hasn't had a

(01:33:51):
chance to respond. She hasn't had a right to have
any kind of hearing the idea that the US Supreme
Court is going to reverse the Appellate Court and grant
you know, and an emergency order that she'd be removed. Secondly,
it sort of doesn't make any kind of sense. You know,
there were I think eleven votes to raise the I
think eleven or whatever number there were. Everybody voted just

(01:34:13):
now to lower the interest rates by one quarter percentage
point twenty five basis points. Everyone did accept the guy
that Trump just put on there with the sentence concurrence
who wanted to go fifty bases points, which is rash
given the state of the economy. Everybody voted the way
she did, except somebody. But so it's not gonna have

(01:34:34):
any real impact. Maybe Trump won't push it that hard. Maybe,
I mean he's already made.

Speaker 1 (01:34:40):
Yeah, I mean, I think there's a lot of ego
involved with it as well. But why But you bring
up a great point, which is what's your extra grind
with her?

Speaker 3 (01:34:47):
She?

Speaker 1 (01:34:47):
You know, she went along with the with the whole crew.
I mean, I don't, you know, it's a it's a
bit scary thing.

Speaker 5 (01:34:52):
The scary thing is that she's a black woman and
there that Trump and his base just loved the optics
of him fighting. You know, it's one black woman after another,
and it's not just a coincidence any of the things.
That's just a coincidence that he's always picking these fights
where he can be on the TV screen along with
a black successful woman. You know, it's certainly not missed
by African American people, and it's not it shouldn't be

(01:35:15):
missed by you know, our our viewers and listeners. So
the other thing that that's so peculiar about this case
is that she's not guilty. If she ever does get
due process, she's not guilty. The records that have come
out show that the bank knew. So she she buys.

Speaker 1 (01:35:33):
Her help Yeah, just schet the table because she claimed
tom residences.

Speaker 5 (01:35:37):
She buys a house I think it goes like this
in Michigan, and she says that that's her primary residence.
They claim that she then buys a vacation home in
Georgia and leads the bank to believe that it's going
to be her primary residence so they'll give her a
slightly better interest rate than they would have if she'd
have said it was her vacation residence, that it was
not a primary residence. Come to find out that the

(01:35:59):
bank it was a vacation home that the bank put
in the bank records in considering her loan to get
the vacation home. The bank, not her. The bank wrote
down this was the case of someone seeking financing for
a vacation home. So, and the one with Adam Shiff
is also a completely ridiculous case that he's just not

(01:36:21):
guilty of. I mean, he's not chargeable with it. There's
no probable cause for it as to him and as
to her. A jury would ac quit both these people
in a second, and you wouldn't.

Speaker 1 (01:36:30):
Usually the one with you, Adam Shiff. It's the same
deal they're going after. It's the mortgage thing. It's kind
of what you're talking about.

Speaker 5 (01:36:36):
And this idea that you can go through because you
have a job of the administration. You're the head of
Fanny may or Freddie Mack or both of them.

Speaker 3 (01:36:43):
Which is what so you have all this access to
mortgage information exactly.

Speaker 5 (01:36:46):
Oh TXs to mortgage information. What is so stunning? Mark,
And this is the same point that we talked about
with tell Us and and Ernst and nobody standing up
to Trump from the Republican Party, you would think that
somebody would go to him and say, look, they can
do this to us. There is no reason why when
the Democrats get back into power and not Congress, all

(01:37:09):
they need is the president. The Democrats get back into
power with the president, he appoints somebody to the head
of this You can say, okay, he need fifty votes,
but you wouldn't necessarily know that this guy was coming
and that he was going to do the exact same
thing that the Republicans had just made precedent to do.
And he would go through every Senator and every congress member,
and every Republican executive official, and he would look at

(01:37:32):
the loan file of every single one of them, and
he would pick the ones that had some discrepancy in them,
and then he would make them public. This bill, polty
guy has made public statements. Why he hasn't been sued
for libel and slander yet maybe he will be tomorrow.
He's made public statements.

Speaker 12 (01:37:48):
That is not how we.

Speaker 5 (01:37:49):
Used to do it in law enforcement and have for decades.
They've done it in law enforcement. Until somebody's indicted, you
tend to make no public statement whatsoever, that you make
a public statement on the basis of a referral from
your agency to the Department of Justice, a referral that
maybe they should look at this case. And he's gone
on all this media and portrayedor is basically a crook.

(01:38:09):
It's beyond belief. So you wonder why the Republicans didn't
go to Trump and say, look, we don't want to
get primary. We want you to succeed. Let us explain
you how to proceed, how to succeed. Don't go after
Cook and Adam Shift because there's not only no there there,
but you're making a precedent that they can do the
same thing back to us. So since they started talking
about this, even where the Republicans in power, somebody has

(01:38:31):
looked at this Bill Palty guy, at his family. I'm
not making this up. It turns out that this Bob
and dad have been under investigation for the same thing.
That seems to me why so foremost is Bill Polti's
mind because his own parents have gotten in trouble for this,
and they've said they have. The reason that you would
say you had two primary residents is you get a

(01:38:52):
lower tax rate. And it looks like, that's exactly what
they've done between Florida and Michigan. And when they went
into Florida, they seem to be getting a much higher rate.
That means they pay lower taxes to that means the
local schools that stank down in Florida, the local public schools.
This is another way for these very very rich people,
the Poulty family, not to contribute their fair share to

(01:39:13):
fund the schools and to fund other things, because they
have allegedly misrepresented that these are primary residents to get
lower interest rates when they're in fact vacation homes in
Florida that these multi millionaires own. And there's actually been
not only investigation started, but I think that they actually
changed the people. They also do other tricks. But the

(01:39:34):
one that she did not do, which is a normal
trick in these situations, is they then get a homestead exemption.
They say this is my home. When Cook, the Federal
Reserve governor, the one who's under attacked by Trump and Poulty,
when she went to Georgia, she did with her vacation home,
she did not try to get a homestead exemption, which

(01:39:54):
means that she treated it in a way that cost
her more money, but that was inconsistent with are having
done any kind of trick or scam. She's clean, like
Adam Shift. That is what is so outageous. And the
idea that the US Supreme Court is really going to
wade into this when there's been no due process, no hearing.
So Kasa Damis.

Speaker 15 (01:40:13):
Predicts that the US Supreme Court will duck this one
on the emergency docket and they will not remove her
from the Federal Reserve Board.

Speaker 5 (01:40:23):
And if they do, if they do, they will have
accomplished nothing for Trump's agenda, and they will have shown
themselves to be really just a craven puppet. The US
Supreme Court, with life tenure, one of our most revered institutions,
just a craven little puppet for Trump. I don't think
they want.

Speaker 3 (01:40:41):
To do that. Well, they may do it in other ways.

Speaker 5 (01:40:45):
They may do it another way.

Speaker 1 (01:40:46):
First, I would say that the ideas from how that
you could just move forward with high profile allegations of
one short or another, investigation of one short or another. It's
very Trumpian. It's very much what they do. They say
we're gonna even when it came to overturning the twenty
twenty election. Remember, the plan was that the Justice Department,
you don't have to actually find anything wrong with the election,

(01:41:07):
just say that there have been irregularities and that we're
looking into it, and that's all we need. We'll do
the rest. And so it is with this situation with
these mortgages. You know, he digs up this on Shift,
he digs up this on someone else. In the case
of Cook, he makes these claims that, as you suggest,
have no basis in underpinnings that are legit. And somehow though,

(01:41:30):
that carries the news cycle and it begins to get
a momentum. So it's a pretty ugly way to do business.
I mean, it's not a legal way to do business,
as you say. There's been no legal demonstration of any kind,
and yet that's what they do on the Scots.

Speaker 5 (01:41:44):
One reason it's so over the top, though, is because
the Republicans are just assume that the Democrats would never
do this back to them, because we're fair, we follow
the rule of law and stuff like that. But you know,
when they make a precedent for something like this, what
what is what is the evil of doing this? And
you find what you don't do all the things that
they've done. But what is what is the evil of this?

(01:42:06):
If someone has really, like let's say Poltice parents, really
have violated the law on this, they're apparently being investigated
for it. So the idea that, well, the Democrats can
never do this, and maybe some sitting senator, oh my god,
it's retaliation, they'll say, when a Democratic president is it
now they're going after me for saying that I have
three different primary residences. They're just going after me. It's all.

(01:42:26):
It's all retaliation, the Republican senators. No, once you make
a precedent for something, that's how our system works. It
becomes a precedent. It's like, you guys did it. If
it was so bad, you should have not done it.
Now you're going to run right around and say it's
so bad. And you see the Republicans doing that over
and over again with things that they said were terrible
when Biden and the Democrats were doing them, and now

(01:42:47):
it's just you know the order of the day.

Speaker 3 (01:42:49):
Well, I mean then and then you know see Jimmy
Kimmel and the and the assault on Jimmy Ki.

Speaker 5 (01:42:53):
You imagine that they've done this to Fox. Can you
imagine they done this by you think it's never been
an accuracy with Fox in the four years of Biden.

Speaker 1 (01:43:00):
Last week said that you should that they should euthanize
the homeless people. He subsequently apologized for but he said
it on the air. There wasn't this you and cry
about that. I mean, it's just still work.

Speaker 5 (01:43:10):
He's still working but getting a big paycheck.

Speaker 3 (01:43:12):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:43:14):
I want to get to another Katsadamas thing because I
kind of promised it, and then I will wrap up,
maybe with some Rudy Giuliani news, because there was just
a judgment against Rudy Giuliani. But the katsa Damus thing
is about the tariffs.

Speaker 3 (01:43:25):
You know, the more I think.

Speaker 1 (01:43:26):
About it and the more I see the Scotis flex
I'm sorry, the Trumpian flex around tariffs and sort of
the territorial nature of it, meaning he's he's really claimed
it as a cornerstone of what he's doing. He's falsely
claiming that there's all this revenue coming into the country.
He says trillions of dollars in revenue as a result
of the tariffs is coming, and then he even said

(01:43:49):
I mean trillions with a T and it's absurd. I mean,
it's one hundred and fifty billion, and that's to be
generous thus far with the with the tariffs this year.
But my point in mentioning it is he's really wetted
to it, right, he is. He has both arms firmly
around the tariffs. It's going to go to Scotis, right,

(01:44:10):
They're going to pick it up quickly, you said. Katsa
Damas has said they will not, as you were kind
of just saying, humiliate themselves as total toadies for Trump
and somehow rubber stamp these tariffs. Instead, they're going to
rule that the tariffs were indeed imposed illegally. There's no

(01:44:32):
emergency that's existed beyond what the country is already dealing
with year to year in terms of drug influx, et cetera.
The more I see the news day to day, and
maybe this is the you know, the power of becoming
downcast about everything I see happening and sort of unchecked
by this administration, the more I see that Scotis actually

(01:44:55):
could just let him do it. You really are I
really want to have this conversation, at least an abbreviated
version of it one more time, because I see Scotis
as really an instrument of Donald Trump, and in that
way they will approve his tariffs.

Speaker 5 (01:45:11):
Well, I think the only way that they could get there,
you know, five or six of them to affirm the tariffs,
is to say that there was an opportunity for Congress
to stop the tariffs, and by Congress not acting to
stop the terroiffs, they don't have to do things explicitly.
Congress can do things implicitly. And since there was thirty

(01:45:33):
or sixty days for Congress to disavow the tariffs and
they did not act either house within that time, that
institutions can do things by inaction as well as action,
and they could. That's remarkable though, That really is If
Congress can start to do things by in action, to
the opinion of the court, we are really heading toward authoritarianism.

(01:45:55):
We're really heading toward where the Houses of Congress are
like they are in so many third world countries. They're
beautifully formed, beautifully written, and completely ineffective. Congress has to
at least act it's their job to set tariffs and
to say that they have set tariffs or approved teriffs
by not acting at all. They didn't even pass a
resolution that said we're in agreement with the tariffs, they

(01:46:17):
simply failed to act. So unless they say that, I
think that they have to come out to the conclusion
that the tariffs are illegal. And the reason I say
that ariffs are illegal is they're only legal if they're
done under this emergency power, and the emergency power exists
if there's truly something emergent. Mark. And the only two
things that have been mentioned is that a lot of

(01:46:38):
fentanyl was coming into the country, and actually less fentanyl
has come in since he imposed the tariffs. So you
have him imposing the tariffs because there's an emergency with drugs,
and yet the drugs are still very high, very intolerably high,
but they've gone down. How can you have an emergency
about them going up when they're actually going down. And

(01:46:58):
the second thing is he said we have a trade imbalance,
and we've had a trade imbalance for decades. It cannot be.
It didn't even like the trade and balance suddenly like
you know, went to hell. It wasn't like an opec
shock or something like that. Uh, you know, we have
a trade in balance. We're just always sliding into greater
balance at owing war buddy and having you know, uh,
less exports than we do have imports. That's that's America

(01:47:20):
the last few decades. None of it's an emergency. So
there has been no emergency. And given that there's no emergency,
he does not have the power to act. So that's
why I'm saying they have to say that there was
ratification by inaction, but both.

Speaker 3 (01:47:33):
Kind of approval of it. But let me ask you then.

Speaker 5 (01:47:37):
But I don't think that's gonna happen. I don't think
that's gonna happen.

Speaker 1 (01:47:39):
An, Well, you have three votes on Scotis that are
wired right already.

Speaker 5 (01:47:44):
You're getting Gorst's wired. It's either seven.

Speaker 1 (01:47:47):
Two or I would say, well, I'd say Kavanaughs wired
maybe maybe say I'd say I'd say Barrett. I'd say,
am I wrong? I mean I would think Thomas and
Alito are wired right, and I would shake Gorsa.

Speaker 5 (01:47:59):
I think it's six to three to strike down the tariffs.
And then you had this issue Mark. Everyone says, well,
the fact that they're sort of in the tank. I
mean they're in the tank for Trump. You can say that,
but that doesn't mean they're going to vote for birthright citizenship.
That is a bridge too far. And this tariff's emergency.
When there's not an emergency, is a bridge too far,
then they have to give I understand they have to

(01:48:20):
give the money back. But people have kept such good records.
It's going to be very clear, and a lot of
it can be done with credits. And the companies that
went under, if they can make a sufficient showing they
can still afford a lawyer, they'll try to go to
court and say, you know, with the tariffs, we would
have made it pay us this much money back. You know,
there'll be a lot of litigation, but you know, we
have courts of claims, we have both. There's all these

(01:48:40):
courts that handle these kinds of things claims against the
federal government, and yeah, they'll be double the amount that
there usually are. You know, when they had the when
they shut the government down, which may be in our
future too soon, but when they shut the government down
years ago, a lot of federal workers walked off the job.
They couldn't work anymore if they weren't getting paid. And

(01:49:01):
those people sometimes they got paid. They had huge amounts
of cases in the courts of claims. So the importers
will have a lot of cases in the courts of
claims and they'll eventually get credits, they'll get their money back.
Money back that is not the US Supreme Courts worry
that there will be a lot more cases than the
Court of Claims, and those will get adjudicated by the bye.

Speaker 1 (01:49:21):
Well, we'll see. I certainly hope you're right. I mean,
I'd love to see them some check on these impulsive
decisions that really aren't underpinned by any kind of even
reasonable logic. Rudy Giuliani being ordered to pay over a
million dollars.

Speaker 5 (01:49:38):
To his lawyers.

Speaker 1 (01:49:40):
To his lawyer, his former defense team, a New York
Jet drilling that Giuliani must pay one point three six
million dollars plus.

Speaker 3 (01:49:47):
Interest, excuse you have to cough in.

Speaker 1 (01:49:51):
Unpaid legal bills to David Hutcher and the Striction partner
Robert Costello. Costello represented the ex New York mayor as
he faced investigations of his dealings in Ukraine and worked
for President Trump following the twenty twenty election. Giuliani contending
he never agreed to pay the fees and didn't receive
the bills, but the judge rejected those arguments and Rudy
has to come up with a million three six just

(01:50:14):
put it on my tab judge.

Speaker 3 (01:50:16):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:50:17):
I mean, it's just one of those things where this
guy has so many judgments against him. I mean the
big ones are you know, associated with what he did
to those poor poll workers.

Speaker 5 (01:50:28):
You know, I think he settled with the poll workers,
and these attorneys apparently did a very good job on
various matters. And you know, Giuliani had a million cases
he was in trouble. For these lawyers I think went
through and they solved a lot of those problems, including
they solved the problem, they came to some resolution, some disposition,

(01:50:49):
I think with those two poll workers who were treated
so terribly by Giuliani and really by the Trump rhetoric too.
I mean with Giuliani didn't just unleash all that rhetoric
without any consultation with the with with Trump and his
in his follows. But anyway, so then you know, it's
funny because I'm a criminal defense attorney, and you know

(01:51:09):
I charged, I charge fees, and you know generally we
charge fees up front. There's sort of this field.

Speaker 3 (01:51:15):
Just about to say get the money up front.

Speaker 5 (01:51:19):
This may not be you know, this, this may not
be receivable. That's going to be you know, received down
the road, So you try to get the money up front.
There are there are ways that you build clients as
you go along. So Giuliani apparently paid about two hundred,
two hundred and fifty thousand dollars to his attorneys. One
of them, I think is a fellow alum of the

(01:51:39):
US Attorney's office. I think that Costello worked for Giuliani
in the US Attorney's office. I think Giuliani's view was
kind of like, well, he did it out of camaraderie.
He did it out of he was trying to help
me out. He was really going to send me a bill.
Because his defense in front of the judge was I
never got an invoice. He was going to send me
a bill. And then of course they showed that he
did get an invoice. Uh, he'd written on one of

(01:52:02):
the checks that he did pay to the lawyer, like pay,
but on third invoice meanwhile, he's is there was no invoice.
He's written on the memo portion of the check to
the lawyer pay, but on third invo it I got
no in voices. The judge it was interesting, was this
and barn This was Arthur and Gorn. He's the same
one so apparently one of Rudy's arguments on appeal is

(01:52:22):
going to be that he's biased against him. Lawyer, that judge,
that judge shouldn't have shouldn't have sat on that case
because he's biased against Juliani. He's biased against Trump. This
was in fire. This had nothing to do with Trump
or Juliani against the world. This was Giuliani and his
own defense lawyers that he's stiffed, and now the judge

(01:52:43):
told him, no, like everyone else in America, you have
to pay your bill. Whether they can really collect a million.
You know, these guys all go down to Florida and
they try to be judging. Ojay went to Florida, this
one went to Florida. That one went to Florida, and
it's supposed to be a very judgment proof state. That
maybe one reason why they don't collect more money from
Trump after Trump loses those lasses. I don't know if
there are exceptions under the law, but it was famous.

(01:53:05):
It was famous as a scoundrel's refuge because you don't
have to pay your bills. Welcome to Florida. You don't
have to pay your creditors.

Speaker 1 (01:53:14):
Hey, you know, advertise what you can. Finally, I just
wanted to mention that the Federal Appeals Court yesterday refusing
for now anyway to allow the Trump administration to proceed
with this overhaul of the US Department of Health and
Human Services that would reorganize a lot of agencies that
fire thousands of employees under this plan. It was a
three judge panel in the first US Circuit Court of

(01:53:36):
Appeals in Boston, and they wouldn't lift the federal judges
injunction that was secured by several Democratic led states that
again they're challenging this plan from RFK Junior to carry
out this large scale reorganization of the department. So there
are I guess some challenges to the plan reimagining of

(01:53:59):
government and health and Human services.

Speaker 5 (01:54:02):
A friend of mine wrote, this country is going to
hell in a handbasket. Thank God for the courts. And
you do have to say, you know, the Framers were
onto something. You know, give people of you know, high
intelligence and high merit a lifetime appointment, have them swear
on oath to the Constitution, and they certainly the courts
have held. I know there's some exceptions with the U. S.

(01:54:24):
Supreme Court and some of the Trump appointments.

Speaker 1 (01:54:28):
On the US Supreme Court. The Supreme Court possibly matter, right, Kats.

Speaker 5 (01:54:34):
Is the guy with the Dave so close to me.
Kats is like, I think he's voted for Trump every
single time, but he's not on the Supreme Court. He's
not voting on terror. So the US Supreme Court mark.
So the courts have held, and I think that, you know,
I think that, uh, you know a lot of people
have you know, a lot of people have the Trump

(01:54:54):
is very unpopular. That's the that's the Reality's very He's
going to pomp and circumstance over there, and the United Kingdom,
of course, they hate him over there. They have to
live with him though he has power right now. I mean,
we've had rulers in the world when someone really has power.
You know, we've gotten used to in America, we have
checks and balances. Things don't swing that far left or right.
This is what a lot of the world experiences. Some

(01:55:16):
strong man is in power, and Holy Toledo, right.

Speaker 1 (01:55:19):
Well, it's not just any and he's not just some
strong man. He's running the most powerful nation on earth.
He has Great Britain over a barrel. I mean, I
got a few emails saying, how come you know, the
British are meeting with this guy or understand it, they're
legitimizing they need him, Are you kidding?

Speaker 3 (01:55:33):
They need I mean Britain.

Speaker 1 (01:55:34):
We did a whole half hour on it yesterday about
the situation with the British economy and America represents a
real opportunity for them. So yeah, they've got to play ball,
and so that's why they roll out, you know, every
red carpet in the land for him.

Speaker 5 (01:55:47):
Yeah, well left to Brexit. They made that huge era
with big exactly it's because of still still paying for that.

Speaker 3 (01:55:54):
All right.

Speaker 1 (01:55:54):
So to summarize you and I, you and I disagree
on the Scotus ruling on tariffs. You're going you're sticking
with your cats damous view that they will rebuffet. I
think they will find a way to approve it. I
think it's a sad state that America and the American
institutions have pretty much been cowed. You still though, an optimist,

(01:56:17):
and you feel as though the courts particularly are ruling
the right way and they may ultimately win the day
the rule of law. That's what I would expect a
good attorney to say. And I hope you're right. I
really hope you're right.

Speaker 5 (01:56:32):
So we're disagreeing without being disagreeable exactly. And I did.
I loved your remark last week Mark when you said
you It might have been just right after I got
off the air, but I was listening for a while
because I still have my link, and you said, Look,
I look around every day and I say, how can
this be? How can Donald Trump be the President of

(01:56:52):
the United States? But he is. We have to endure
it for three more years, and I think our institutions,
some of them are enduring it as better they can.
You know, UCLA just sued the President Trump and the administration.
They want to take over a billion dollar chunk out
of UCLA. And I want to my bias, and this

(01:57:13):
is that, you know, I'm in the UCLA health plan
and they've done wonderful things for me, you know, over
the years. You know, in the their hospital, they're fantastic.
And the idea that they're going to get cut over
a billion dollars. So I've decided to forgive them for
screwing up the PAC twelve. I have decided to forgive
them for that.

Speaker 1 (01:57:33):
All right, Katz will watch you and you're you know,
across the spectrum on all of those different outlets and
hope for better days ahead. But one way or another,
we'll talk to you next Thursday. I appreciate it.

Speaker 5 (01:57:46):
Man great to be with you.

Speaker 3 (01:57:47):
Hi, Kim, Yeah, Kim.

Speaker 1 (01:57:49):
A quick high to David Katz and David Kats everybody.

Speaker 3 (01:57:55):
Bye bye, David, thank you, thank you so much. I
am well aware. I'm well aware of where we are.

Speaker 1 (01:58:06):
I do want to say that, uh, I'm just looking.
I really want to play you a little bit of
what's happening with the uh the CDC.

Speaker 3 (01:58:17):
I alluded to it before.

Speaker 1 (01:58:19):
I never want to cut devid cat short and I
never want to cut anything short if I don't have to.
But I wanted you to see this testimony and you
know this again is the CDC director who was ousted. Okay,
And the RFK Junior ousting was so weird because he

(01:58:39):
talked about her as you know, someone with impeccable credentials,
and you know, there were really.

Speaker 3 (01:58:47):
There were no.

Speaker 1 (01:58:47):
Issues between rf K Junior and the CDC had but
quickly it became clear that she was not going to
rubber stamp the demands of RFK Junior, and the demands
were significant and so Susan Monrez is her name, and
she was not going to change these routine child vaccine

(01:59:09):
recommendations without any credible scientific data. But she really sounds
the alarm as to what's going on at the CDC,
and I didn't want to leave you today without letting
you see a little bit of it. This is a
bit of her testimony yesterday, Susan Monorez.

Speaker 16 (01:59:24):
I believe preventable disease as well return, and I believe
that we will have our children harmed for things that
we know they do not need to be harmed by polio, measles, diphtheria,
whooping cough.

Speaker 17 (01:59:38):
The stakes laid bare by fired CDC director doctor Susan
Minares over the future of the nation's vaccine policy. In
August twenty nine, days after he called her scientific credentials unimpeachable,
Health and Human Services Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Junior dismissed
his handpicked Senate confirmed choice over vaccine.

Speaker 16 (02:00:00):
He just wanted to blanket approval, and if I could
not commit to approval of each and every one of
the recommendations that would be forthcoming, I needed to resign.

Speaker 17 (02:00:11):
Manars told the Senate committee. She refused to preapprove the
decisions of a vaccine advisory panel without science or data.
Several new members of that committee selected by Kennedy share
his vaccine skepticism.

Speaker 16 (02:00:25):
I was fired for holding the line on scientific integrity,
but that line does not disappear with me.

Speaker 17 (02:00:30):
Two weeks ago, Kennedy told another Senate committee Manars lied
about her firing.

Speaker 16 (02:00:35):
The kids to help the head of the CDC that
if she refused to sign off on your changes to
the childhood vaccine schedule, that she had to resign.

Speaker 3 (02:00:45):
No.

Speaker 5 (02:00:46):
I told her that she had to resign because I
asked her, are you a trustworthy person?

Speaker 12 (02:00:51):
And she said no.

Speaker 17 (02:00:53):
Manars also said Kennedy disparaged the nation's top health agency.

Speaker 16 (02:00:58):
He called CDC the most crupt federal agency in the world,
emphasize that cd employees were horrible people. He said that
CDC employees were killing children and they don't care. He
said during the COVID outbreak, CDC told hospitals to turn
away sick COVID patients until they had blue lips before

(02:01:18):
allowing them to get treatment.

Speaker 17 (02:01:19):
Menars said Kennedy's assertions are not true. Some committee Republicans
zeroed in on the COVID vaccine.

Speaker 9 (02:01:26):
Does the COVID vaccine reduce hospitalization for children under eighteen?

Speaker 13 (02:01:31):
It can, it doesn't.

Speaker 17 (02:01:33):
Doctor and Committee Chairman Bill Cassidy wants to hear from
Kennedy himself.

Speaker 10 (02:01:38):
I think Secretary Kennedy have to come and address this specifically,
all right with.

Speaker 5 (02:01:42):
That and joins us now.

Speaker 11 (02:01:43):
And there's been a lot of talk to about a
meeting that's happening about the Vaccine Advisory Panel.

Speaker 5 (02:01:48):
What are they discussing?

Speaker 17 (02:01:50):
Tom Minars said she's nervous about that meeting that'll take
place tomorrow. She said RFK Junior told her in August
the childhood vaccine schedule would change this month. On the
agenda tomorrow the measles, MOMPS, rubella, and chicken pox vaccine,
as well as the hepatitis be shot.

Speaker 1 (02:02:07):
These are so fundamental, I mean, it's just really scary
territory for the nation's health.

Speaker 10 (02:02:13):
They're going to kill people. They're going to kill people.
They're squishing the constitution, they're taking away free speech, and
they're killing people. Way to end it on an uplifting note, Kim, Yeah.

Speaker 3 (02:02:23):
It's a pretty no, it's pretty grim.

Speaker 13 (02:02:26):
Someone did this spoil our Christmas?

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