Kirk Remembered, but Trump Anger & Hate Cast an Ugly Shadow 9/22/25

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Oh, thank you all, Thank you all. It's great to
be here. And what a tremendous reported audience has collected
here today. I appreciate you all. Kim is joining us
for him. How are you always treat and Tony? It's
a Monday. Tony is in the games for us, and

(00:21):
we're very very happy about that. Quite a significant and
fun filled show for all boys and girls watching. I
know I'm just a boy, but I'm watching and I'm interested. Specifically,
what I would draw your attention to is at the
bottom of the hour there is the brilliant Gary Dietrich joining.

(00:46):
He's from iHeart Radio and also from the CBS television stations.
He's their political analyst, and there is a lot to analyze.
And I'd even say that while it falls into the
category of politics, it spills over into some categories that
wealth might transcend politics and even government itself. We'll talk

(01:08):
more about that as the show goes on. All right,
and Andrew Fraknoy in the second hour. Andrew Fraknoi is
the noted astronomer and physicist, and he'll be a perfect
palate cleanser to the disgust of politics and all the

(01:30):
stuff that basically is pretty grotesque about what's going on
in America and the world. So we'll get to all
of it. Also, we'll review as best we can the
Charlie Kirk memorial service, which was I thought a you know,
based on what I saw and what I read, sort
of this what you'd expect from a figure of Charlie

(01:56):
Kirk's immensity and import and also religiously, you know, so
much of what Charlie Kirk was about was informed by
an extreme religiosity, and so you had all that religion,
which is associated with a memorial service. I mean, my god,

(02:17):
that's just really what these sorts of things are typically.
But you had, you know, these luminaries from the world
of religion who were I would say it was almost
there was an evangelical quality to it. And then you had,
of course the politicians who were again relevant to remembering
Charlie Kirk's life, and they took the podium as well.

(02:41):
Of course, most notable was the President of the United States,
Donald Trump. Notable both because he's President of the United
States and also because he just didn't follow the you know,
let's join hands and this is a tragedy that we
need to avoid in the future type thing. He really is.
You know, he's cranked up to ten all the time.
So anyway, we'll get to get to that in just

(03:05):
a second. First into the chat today, I saw, oh
in the middle of the night. I don't know if
you can just tag in at the middle of the
night and still get credit for being first in the chat.
But zero sum at three sixteen in the morning, Wow,
and then at four oh eight CBD with the answer.

(03:31):
I guess they have a little back and forth anyway,
early morning chat. There's that, a little early morning chat. Yeah.
Then people jumped in. Peter jumped in on like saund
five thirty in the morning. Good morning, and a happy
ice Cream Cone Day? Is it really ice cream Cone Day?

Speaker 2 (03:49):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (03:51):
I mean, as I always say, I mean, you know,
I feel like things like ice cream cones don't need
a day. Ice cream cone, pizza, hot girl, and high
school they all are things that don't need to day.
They're already doing great, you know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (04:04):
National ice Cream Cone Day is celebrated on September twenty
second every year, making it a fun occasion to enjoy
ice cream and cones of various types.

Speaker 1 (04:14):
All right, Well, Hey, look, I guess it just gives
it legitimacy. You know, the impulse that we all have
to stuff our face with ice cream is reinforced. Hey,
it's national ice cream I don't want to do it.
It's my civic duty to have an ice cream Technically,
it's ice cream cone day.

Speaker 2 (04:30):
Cone Day.

Speaker 1 (04:31):
This is a very very good point that Tony makes,
not just ice cream highlight. In fact, you could argue,
now if a cone exists without the ice cream, is
it an ice cream cone?

Speaker 2 (04:45):
No, it's just ice cream.

Speaker 1 (04:47):
No, it's just ice out the ice cream.

Speaker 2 (04:50):
It's an ice cream cone.

Speaker 1 (04:51):
Yeah. So Tony's right. You could just eat the cone
without any ice cream, and you'd be honoring ice cream
National ice Cream Cone Day.

Speaker 2 (05:00):
Waffle cone count, Yes.

Speaker 3 (05:01):
Now I'd be happy nation, Just not the little crappy
little one, those little ones that we used to get
with the thrifty ice canes does don't count.

Speaker 1 (05:10):
That would cut my tongue up.

Speaker 2 (05:11):
A little history for you. The ice cream cone first
introduced that the nineteen oh four World's Fair.

Speaker 1 (05:18):
Wow, that really is once again very very impressive knowledge,
even though it did come from the AI overview. Yeah,
Mark Thompson show all right, let's get into it and
thank you for being here. Smashed the like button if
you haven't already. It helps us in the world of YouTube.
A significant event over the weekend, and there was uh

(05:42):
there was insanely anticipated to be but also just insanely
huge turnout to remember Charlie Kirk. I mean, look at
this crowd. This is the spillover crowded. Now, is this
the audience waiting to get in in the parking lot?
Tell me that that was the parking lot before it started.
So people are out there waiting hours to get into

(06:04):
the arena.

Speaker 4 (06:05):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (06:05):
Yeah, And then there was there's the line Tony's showing
you as they file into the arena. The crowd I
think I saw estimates of around one hundred thousand. There
was a spillover area as well, and that was full.
So the love people felt, the devotion people felt, the

(06:28):
inspiration people felt from Charlie Kirk is real and I
think it likely runs the gamut. You know, there are
those who were deeply religious and they find that a
lot of what Kirk said landed with them. That way.
They would like to see an increased religiosity about America

(06:51):
and traditional religious values as they're interpreted by so many
in so many different ways. But nonetheless, that sort of
general take on American culture, that it's drifted from those
traditional religious values, that does represent a big chunk of

(07:12):
people who are devotees, or were devotes or Charlie Kirk
can continue to be devotats because Turning Point USA will
continue on. And we've talked at length about the fact
that Turning Point USA was a watershed in terms of
rallying young people into politics, and the ripple effect will continue.

(07:35):
Now the cynical will be tougher on Charlie Kirk and
suggest that you know, there was it was a money play,
and it was this, and it was that. I don't know.
The guy seemed to have the he seemed to have
the he seemed to believe, he seemed to walk the walk.

(07:57):
He seemed to believe very deeply what he maintained. Obviously
I disagree with everything, virtually everything he had to say,
but I say virtually everything because he was a big
defender of free speech. You know, excuse me. He felt that,
you know, hate speech should be protected. So he would
be very much at odds with the current president. He

(08:19):
did not believe that anyone's First Amendment, freedom should be
pushed back in any way and infringed upon in any way.
So what did it look like? What did it sound like?
Here's a little bit of a roundup on the Charlie
Kirk memorial.

Speaker 5 (08:39):
Inside a packed State Farm Stadium in Arizona, tens of
thousands flocked to honor conservative activist Charlie Kirk. The crowd
overcome with emotion as Kirk's widow, Erica, took the stage.

Speaker 6 (08:52):
My husband, Charlie, he wanted to save young men, just
like the one who took his life.

Speaker 5 (09:06):
The mother of two receiving a standing ovation, saying she
forgives the man accused of taking her husband's life.

Speaker 6 (09:13):
The answer to hate is not hate. The answer we
know from the Gospel is love and always love, love
for our enemies, and love for those who persecute us.
I forgive him.

Speaker 5 (09:34):
President Trump, lauding Kirk as a unique talent, but saying
they didn't agree on everything.

Speaker 4 (09:40):
He did not hate his opponents.

Speaker 1 (09:41):
He wanted the best for them.

Speaker 4 (09:45):
That's where I disagreed with Charlie.

Speaker 5 (09:47):
I hate my opponent, and I don't want the best
for them.

Speaker 1 (09:52):
I'm sorry.

Speaker 5 (09:53):
The president, embracing Kirk's widow On stage, Trump was seated
next to Elon Musk months after their out over the
passage of the president's spending bill. This as prominent conservatives
called Kirk a martyr for their movement. Vice President JD.
Vance eulogizing his close friend.

Speaker 7 (10:11):
He transformed the face of Conservatism in our own time.

Speaker 5 (10:15):
A memorial focusing on Kirk's Christian faith, and an event
that served as a rallying cry to Kirk's conservative message.
Multiple booths throughout the arena were set up to help
register new voters, with signs reading Charlie wants you to
register to vote.

Speaker 1 (10:34):
There is no question that Kirk was a Yeah. You
find in that, I think I thought it was really
a pretty good snapshot of what was going on there.
You find in that the very thing that I was
talking about before, which is that the momentum of the
movement continues. I mean, you could even argue that Kirk,
in his death means tragic, violent death will have a

(10:57):
greater effect because the martyrdom that is associated with again,
that young man having life jerked away from him will
create an energy to this movement and conservative politics I
think will not only be animated by it, but I

(11:19):
think it will grow as a result of it. So
and I might add, I mean a Christianity at least,
you know, within the aura of Charlie Kirk's world may
find more subscribers as well, more devotees as well, you know,
the you know, the messages were both political and they

(11:41):
were religious. And again these are things that you sometimes
find at these memorial services. But this, of course punctuates
a tragic event. And you know, you may disagree with
Charlie Kirk on a lot of things. I told you
I do, but I mean, my God, consider it in
a million years. The notion that in any way he

(12:06):
should be silenced and I wasn't. I'm leaving aside, you know,
violently dealt with in any way. I'm just silenced at all.
I mean, his freedom of speech that should never be abridged.
And the idea of political violence is just absolutely off
the table for anything for anyone. I mean, it is

(12:26):
a it's a horrible road that America is going down,
and it is only hastened by political violence. So we
address this when it happened. But it's just it's it's
unspeakably awful. Now, there are some things sort of adjacent
to Charlie Kirk and little bits and pieces of information

(12:48):
that come out. But there's that Van Jones thing. And
again you may not like Van Jones, but it was
interesting Van Jones, who is viewed, you know, as a
liberal Kirk and extreme conservative. He had an exchange with
Charlie Kirk that he shared on social and quickly Tony
will share with you.

Speaker 7 (13:05):
Hey, guys, decided I'm gonna do something. I'm going to
share something, something personal that I wasn't sure I was
going to share, but I think it's important. Charlie Kirk
and I were not friends at all. In fact, the
last week of his life we were beef and hard,
beefing online, beefing on air. But the day before he died,

(13:27):
he did something that shocked me. He sent me a
personal message and calling for a personal dialogue. Wanted me
to come on the show. He said we can be
gentlemen together. He said we could deal with our disagreements agreeably.
And in the past week and a half, just watching
people talk about civil wars and censorship and all this

(13:47):
stuff coming out of his death, I just thought it
was important to let people know, don't put that on
Charlie Kirk because the last day of his life, he
was reaching out to have not more censorship, more conversation,
more dialogue with somebody who honestly was one of his adversaries.
Me and I just want to share that with the world,

(14:10):
and I hope that maybe it might help somebody on
both sides deal with issues more like he did.

Speaker 1 (14:19):
So there you go. I thought that was both instructive
and also reflective legitimately of who Kirk was. Kirk love
that back and forth and again, you know, way off
based on so many things Charlie Kirk was. But I
really applaud the fact that he continued a dynamic with
those on the other side, and that was clearly going

(14:40):
to continue. He was a growing figure in politics, you know,
from zero to hero type thing in short order. But
the interesting thing I thought about the memorial service based
on what I saw, I mean, the way in which
Trump kind of veered from lionizing Charlie Kirk to attacking

(15:01):
his enemies. It was more of a it was more
of a embracing the attack of his enemies. And then
I was going to say it's more of a campaign speech.
It almost felt me.

Speaker 2 (15:11):
It was actually more of a Trump rally, as.

Speaker 1 (15:13):
We Yeah, it was a Trump rally, not everyone else's.

Speaker 2 (15:15):
Speech, but Trump's speech turned that into that exactly.

Speaker 1 (15:18):
Yeah, it was. It was eulogizing, and it also kind
of you know, uh, let me tell you what I've
done for America and what I'll continue to do for America.

Speaker 2 (15:27):
So something I found interesting and you saw it at
the end of that package with the registered to vote
stations there. There's an article in The Hill today talking
about Generation Z men trending toward the GOP, and it
apparently is creating this debate among Democrats about how to

(15:48):
win back these younger voters. But there's a report from
Decision Desk HQ that was released this week showing gen
Z charting a different political course than millennials, that multiple
indicators point to substantial Republican gains among Gen Z, and
the report from the Decision Desk noted that Democratic registration

(16:11):
among young men shrank compared among young women. So young
male voters are flocking toward the GOP. And I don't
know if that's a phenomenon result of Charlie Kirk or what.

Speaker 1 (16:26):
But you know, there's a flex that the GOP does
right now the trump Ian flex. They don't apologize, they
don't explain, they lean in. There's this pugnacious quality have
they have. They're up for a fight all the time.
You know, if you don't like it, then I'm going
to lock you up. That's really the GOP right now.

(16:49):
You know, maybe you should shut up otherwise we're going
to go after you. I would say that's become almost
the brand of the GOP now led by Donald Trump,
and you have his his henchman, you know, Home and
hag Seth. We'll get to all of them today, I
think on some visceral level, and visceral is a ding

(17:11):
word on some visceral level that appeals to guys. You know, guys,
don't don't give me all of the the you know,
the x's and o's. Just let me get out there
and onto the field and kick some ass for America.
Throw kick ass and America together. And it appeals to

(17:33):
a certain kind of guy. And those guys are real guys,
you know, and they're real voters. If you can get
those voters out of the polls, you know, typically those
kind of kind of voters, and that's a crude profile
of them, obviously, but those kind of voters don't show
up in a big way in the midterms. Typically it's
about toxic masculinity and misogyny. Yes, says Ginger Beard. Yeah,

(17:55):
I guess maybe that's what I'm saying too. It is
hidden in videos that you young men seek out relationship advice,
workout advice, et cetera. Yeah, I mean there's something to it.
I mean, I think Ginger Bear really has something there.
I wonder if that is also part of the phenomenon
of a lot of women in colleges. Then I wonder

(18:16):
if that is also part of the phenomenon of a
lot of a lot.

Speaker 2 (18:19):
More more women in college than men.

Speaker 1 (18:21):
Yeah, Oh, I see what you're saying, John, and Noo,
there's more women go to college then men go to
college because men are just all about uh, I got
to get into the gym. We can have a conversation
about college. In fact, we're gonna, yeah with Sarah Kenzi
or who's coming up I think sometime soon in the
next couple of weeks, because I think you could have

(18:43):
a legitimate conversation about college. I don't mean to get
a digress on that, but you know, college had an
importance before I'd say it's a prerequisite in large measure
for many jobs. But typically speaking, I don't know that
it has what it did have before. I don't know
what the nature of college to me within American society

(19:05):
has begun to change. The nature of academic institutions generally
has not only begun to change, I mean their importance
and the way they fit into American society. I'd love
to talk about it, and we will with the Czar
Kan Jrmer Not today. I blame Tony, says Trevor. Yeah, well,
you know that's always a good way to go. Hey,

(19:26):
welcome to the show. Yeah, so that's a bit on
the Charlie Kirk memorial, and we'll talk to Gary about that.
Mark Thompson Show. I did want to get to some
other very big news apart from the Kirk memorial. There
is a I've got a major law and disorder that

(19:47):
I want to get to. I feel like I have
got yet. I know I want to get to tailand
all I know, maybe I'll do Thailandoll first. It's pretty crazy.
The Washington Post is saying, let me do it, let
me do it this way. Mark Thompson. Trump officials are
reportedly set to tie thailandol to an autism risk. The

(20:12):
Washington Post announcing that the Trump administration is going to
be talking about the popular medicine tailanol, known as paracetamol
elsewhere in the world as a connection to autism that's

(20:34):
contrary to medical guidelines. Trump officials are also expected to
announce an effort to explore how the cancer and anemia
drug lukoverin could purportedly and potentially treat autism. There are
four sources that were given knowledge of this and talk

(20:54):
to the Post, and these plans are going to be
hatched today. Maybe they have been already. Kim. Did they
make the announcement already? I don't know.

Speaker 2 (21:08):
I don't think they've made it. I think it's coming.

Speaker 1 (21:10):
Medical guidelines say it's safe for pregnant women to take tilanoll.
As you're well aware of, pregnant women have to restrict
a lot of the stuff that they can do right
just to protect the fetus. So tilanol is this over
the counter medication. The active ingredient is known as a
seat of menifin, and it's been deemed safe for women

(21:31):
to take during pregnancy, but federal health officials have been
reviewing previous research, including an August review by researchers from
Harvard University in Mount Sinai Hospital that suggested a possible
link between tilanal and tileran al use early in pregnancy
and an increased risk of autism in children. Trump even

(21:54):
teased this announcement during that Charlie Kirk memorial service. He said,
I think we've found an answer to autism. So this
is an RFK Junior thing, and the Wall Street Journal
reported that RFK Junior was going to announce that tilanol
use by pregnant women was potentially linked to autism. It's

(22:16):
kind of been knocked around for some time. It's it's
something that we can expect to hear more about. And
this is a major announcement that we will see we
think later today. And also we will see if it
is accompanied by some kind of policy change, you know,

(22:40):
if they try to restrict the use of thilanol. Let's
say now, even in just this announcement, I'd say that
the administration risks a major lawsuit because the kind of
rigorous testing that was associated with thilanol is demonstrable. Right,
they have all the test they didn't just you know,

(23:01):
cancoct this in a lab one night and then bring
it to market. It's been out there for decades and
there is tons of research on this and tons of data,
so they've got a real uphill climb. And as I
say just in the announcement to suggest a risk, there
could be a major lawsuit. So we'll see. But that's

(23:25):
pretty huge, and that is an announcement that's likely later
today now Mark Thompson show, I want to get to
some law and disorder if you can, Tony, if you'll
rally that for us, because weaponizing government and the Justice

(23:46):
Department is not something that is a concept anymore and
being talked about it is here. But even within that world,
it's not just about weaponizing the justice to apartment. It's
about bringing the law down on enemies while ignoring the

(24:07):
law for those in your administration or who are your allies.
It's the old adage for my friends anything they want,
for my enemies. The law that is the dictator adage
and cornerstone. This is law and disorder in.

Speaker 8 (24:28):
The criminal justice system.

Speaker 9 (24:30):
The people hemps, addicts, thieves, bumbs, linys, girls who can't
keep on address, and men who don't care are represented
by two separate and equally important groups A Copp, a
flat Foot, a bull Oft, Dick John Law, You're the fuzz,
the heat, You're poison, your trouble, your bad news.

Speaker 1 (24:44):
These are their stories. Let's start with the borders are
Tom Homan. He's been doing a lot of media lately,
but here's a piece of media that you likely won't
hear him talk about much. The federal government is shutting

(25:05):
down a bribe investigation into borders R Tom Homan. There
is video of Homan allegedly accepting fifty thousand dollars in
a bag. I think it was a Kava bag. The

(25:27):
whole thing happened in a Kava restaurant from FBI agents
who were posing as business executives who wanted government contracts.
It was a criminal bribery investigation into borders, our Tom Homan.
The Justice Department is now dropping it. He was very

(25:51):
much wrapped up in what was likely an investigation that
involved other people as well. But the video of him
take making the fifty k in cash is pretty damning.

Speaker 2 (26:06):
In his defense, you know, when I get my money
in cash, I like it in a bag as well.
Brown bag is.

Speaker 1 (26:11):
Preferred, yes, true, Yeah, And you know the kava bag
is so nondescript, you know.

Speaker 2 (26:16):
Yeah, yeah, what did they say he was taking the
money for?

Speaker 1 (26:20):
Well, he it's the claim that he was soliciting payments
in exchange for awarding contracts. Oh, this is before Trump
has actually won the election. The idea was that when
we get in, if we get in, I'll award these contracts.
Are c to it that you are taken care of
and for facilitating these future contracts related to border enforcement.

(26:44):
He was getting the fifty thousand in cash. I don't
know what other money he got, but there is video
of him getting that money. But doesn't matter because the
Justice Department is saying they found no credible evidence of
any wrongdoing and they this is the continuing statement legal
back the departments resources must remain focused on real threats

(27:10):
to the American people, not baseless investigations. As a result,
the investigation has been closed. I'll remind you that during
the first Trump administration. I don't mean to take a
late hit or be anti Trump at all, but the
wall contracts were awarded one I remember quite clearly, to

(27:32):
a company that had no experience building walls whatsoever. They
were huge donors to the Donald Trump election campaign, and
their part of the wall was by far the most
expensive part of the wall that was erected that was
in the last Trump administration. Meantime, and perhaps even more
relevant to most Americans, the President is demanding that the

(27:56):
Justice Department go after his adversaries in a big way.
I mean, this is really something that should be I
can't wait to talk to Gary Dietrich about this. I
think this should be another alarm bell on a level
and at a level that may eclipse a lot of
the other alarm bells. You know. The word from the

(28:19):
Washington Post is this Veteran lawyers in a Virginia US
Attorney's office fear that the ouster of their boss last
week after a White House push to prosecute two of
the president's political foes, could portend even more overt efforts
by Trump to dictate the outcome of investigations. Other federal

(28:39):
prosecutors in Maryland, Georgia, and Western Virginia who are handling
politically sensitive probes may soon face similar pressure to fall
in line. Trump said this, and he always says all
of the stuff for the most part, out loud. I
just want people to act. They have to act. We
have to act fast. He wants the Justice Department to

(29:04):
go after the Adam Shifts, the Letitia James of the world.
Just in the past week, the President and members of
his administration threatened to prosecute critics for what they described
as hate speech. Of course, hate speech is not illegal
under federal law. They floated the notion of charging Democratic

(29:24):
donors and organizers under federal racketeering statutes. On Friday, they
forced out Eric Sebert, the Trump appointed US attorney for
the Eastern District of Virginia. He opted not to pursue
indictments against Letitia James. I mented the former New York
Attorney General. I think she's still attorney general, right. And

(29:44):
former FBI Director James Comey was another one who Trump
wanted prosecuted, and the Sebert said, there's not evidence here.
I'm looking into it. There's no evidence that they've committed crimes. Now,
any one of these events in previous administrations, has noted

(30:05):
here in the Washington Post, could have spawned congressional investigation,
pros by Inspectors General and widespread pushback from inside the
Justice Department. That's an institution that, since Watergate, has prized
itself on independence from direct White House pressure, but not anymore.

Speaker 2 (30:21):
Not anymore, Nope.

Speaker 1 (30:24):
Having personal vindictiveness steer prosecutions. You see that seeping down
the ranks of the Justice Department, and there appears to
be no bottom. According to the former US Attorney Carol Lamb,
who served during the Bush administration, and again, Trump is

(30:45):
asking for more. He's saying there is not enough, and
it's not happening fast enough. This is a massive development.
And I'll just say that it's interesting to me that
many in the world of MAGA and the right are

(31:08):
not decrying this more. I'll give you an example quickly,
and then I want to get to Gary. The selective
prosecution is a horrifying change for America. You could say
that there is selective prosecution already at the Justice Department,
I get it. But the kind of overt demand that

(31:30):
there be prosecutions of the president's enemy and enemies, it's extraordinary.
But the reaction, for example, to something that we know
is demonstrably illegal, Holman taking the fifty thousand dollars in
the bag. We have video of it, we know of
this investigation. All of a sudden, the Justice Department drops it.
So friends of the President, members of the administration, we

(31:52):
drop the investigations and the prosecutions potentially against them, while
we pursue completely illegal prosecutions against those that have done
nothing wrong and for whom there's no evidence to actually
lead to prosecution. What's the reaction from Mega Meghan Kelly
defending Tom Homan on the corruption allegation, she says, we

(32:16):
do not care about this. She made it clear, we
do not care what Tom Holman did. She ended her
long screed about America. She really feels like America's lost

(32:36):
its way with this statement. So, no, we don't care
about what you say about Tom Homan. We do not
trust you the left, we only care about defeating you.
And I think this really represents a lot of the
disposition of people increasingly on the right. And I'm sorry

(33:01):
to call out the right, and maybe Gary Dietrich, who
always kind of recenters me, will say, no, it's from
both sides, okay, But I don't know if you would
get this kind of reaction from left wing. I mean,
I get the left has its own issues, okay, but
this is extraordinary. There's demonstrable illegality from an administrative station official.

(33:23):
And the view is no, but he's one of us.
So let's give him a pass. I mean, it's corruption,
it's open bribery. It doesn't just fall into another category.
So between the weaponization of the Justice Department, called upon
overtly by the President of the United States, go against
my enemies, find evidence on them, and go after them,
and do it now, otherwise I'll replace you. And he

(33:46):
did it. He replaced an attorney general, and there's going
to be more. I'll get people in there who will
go after these people that I designate as my enemies.
Between that and then the apparent looking the other way

(34:07):
and dropping the Justice Department investigation gets open corruption. We're
in a really, really scary place. That's law and disorder.

Speaker 8 (34:16):
Tune in again next time for more law and disorder.
I'm a Mark Thompson show. All right, that's it, let's roll.

Speaker 10 (34:24):
Hey, we can't full out there.

Speaker 1 (34:32):
All right, I've got it, and I'm sorry, I'm so late.
I really I want to apologize in advance to this guy.
He's so cool to be patient and he has to
sit here. The worst part for this he used to
sit in the green room and listen to my you know,
my screed about how about it for a guy who
does really show up every week for us, and he

(34:54):
is the oh, he's the pundit, he's the political analyst.
He's someone who brings a great expertise to the world
of the CBS television stations as well as iHeartRadio. As
I say, we're lucky enough that he joins us on Mondays,
Gary Dietrich, everyone.

Speaker 4 (35:11):
Thank you very much. Mark, It's always enjoyable in the Green.

Speaker 1 (35:15):
I'm sure your head's exploding as I'm making the statements.
All right, I want to start with the Justice Department first.
I'll then double back to Charlie Kirkham things that happened
over the weekend. But I do want to start with
what's happening with looking the other way on the apparent
home and undercover video of him taking a fifty thousand
dollars bribe, dropping that investigation at the same time that

(35:36):
the President of the United States is firing attorneys who
won't go from the Justice Department, who won't go after
his enemies because there's not sufficient evidence to actually charge
them with anything. Give me your take on this sort
of snapshot of America right now.

Speaker 4 (35:51):
Well, one is just a simple reality that in our day, Mark,
it's nearly impossible to believe that if this video exists,
it is going to be widely spread, right, I mean,
it's not like the old days that the Nixonian takes
when you just all of a sudden had a big
chunk of the Nixon you know, Oval office stakes just disappear,

(36:12):
right remember those days And people are like, wait, well,
there's nothing you can do about that. Well, you know,
things go out on the electronic as you know, universe
so quickly. These days. You know, if this is out there,
it can be proven that it's credible and not ai.
You know, there's going to be a lot of people
and including people particularly, so I would probably guess some

(36:34):
Republican senators US senators just say wait a minute, now, yeah,
this this is not good. So that's one thing. I
just think that it's harder to hide under the rocks
these days. Does that makes sense. It's nearly impossible in
many ways. So there's that as far as going after people,
you know, this is sadly, as you know, has become

(36:56):
a chess game. Some people call it a tit for tat,
you know, it's just mark. It seems like it's sadly
has become baked in in the last ten years. You know,
when your side quote unquote takes control, particularly one of
the chambers of Congress or the White House. Now it's
time to launch a new round of just filling the blank,
impeachment investigations, whatever it is. By the way, there's a

(37:18):
long history of this. You go clear back into those
people saying clear back in the JFK and when RFK
was attorney general, you know, their FBI director, they had
big question marks about it. Suppose he was even investigating
RFK and JFK these I.

Speaker 1 (37:34):
Thank you for saying the investigator was investigating.

Speaker 4 (37:37):
Them mentioned Martin Luther King. I mean, it just goes
so sadly. There are some long history of some of this,
you know, but but let's just keep it for now.
You know the trumpet. These people feel like they were
done dirty. Okay, that's what that they said. It's on
the campaign trail for eons, and so now it's our

(37:58):
chance to go after people that went out for us.
That's what this is all about. I don't think and certainly,
let me be absolutely unequivocally clear, anybody credible in the
political political arena will say, look, equal justice both sides.
If Holmand's got dirty hands. God deserves to come out
and he deserves to be prosecuted. We'll see where this

(38:19):
all ends up. I mean, the reality is this. Let's
just say, for example, that Trump's able to do away
with these prosecutors and manipulates Justice Department or whatever. Hey,
whenever the next round comes, whether it be twenty eight
or whatever, it might be as early as fourteen months
from now, in twenty six Mark, let's say the Democrats

(38:39):
take control of the House. Now you've got a whole
new series of subpoenas investigations. Right, letters require requesting the
Justice foreman to do this or that. So this isn't
going away. And this particular round of it, as I
meant just mentioned, could end in as early as fourteen
months in November of twenty.

Speaker 1 (39:02):
This is interesting to me because I'm going to push
back on you, or at least question you a little
bit about this, because you mentioned the Homan thing, like,
if there's something there, you know, then there should be
the prosecution. But I've just as you know, related to
the story, which is that the Justice Department is dropping
this even though there is this video and this home

(39:24):
and investigation and continue for some time. Are you implying
there isn't really the video?

Speaker 4 (39:28):
No, no, no, no, let me get clear. What I'm
saying is, if it can be demonstrated that that is
authentic video and Holman took a bag of fifty thousand
and one zo, however the denominations were in there. This
guy deserves to be prosecuted. There's no efans or butts
about it. Okay, no, we all.

Speaker 1 (39:47):
Agree on that, but you could. But the point is
the Justice Department has dropped the investigation. That's the point.
I mean, it's not that's why if it can be proven,
it's not going to be proven. I mean it's going
to be. The point is the Justice Department has dropped it.
Reason mentioning that is, I think this is happening across
the boarding. In other words, you know, it's that old
dictator's adage. Right to my friends anything they want to

(40:09):
my enemies the laws. So to my friends, Homan a
guy in my administration, I'm letting go. I'm letting go.

Speaker 4 (40:15):
Well, that's why I Mark, That's why try to encourage you,
my friend, that that Coulk, that whole Humpty dumpy couty
turned up upside down and on his head in as
little ast fourteen months. Because if the Democrats, for example,
and they have a very good shot at doing so,
I told you recently, I think it's probably fifty to fifty.

(40:35):
At this point of retaking control of a house, they
can subpoena that video.

Speaker 1 (40:40):
I see. Okay, they can hold their.

Speaker 4 (40:42):
Own and remember I think this sometimes is confusing for people,
but this is important. Okay. Congress can launch its own
investigations with its own subpoena power. Okay, and the Justice Department,
of course, can launch its own investigation. My point is
simply to set They could say in fourteen months, they
take control of Alost, they have the speadership, they have

(41:04):
the chairmanship of all the committees, including Judiciary, and they say, look,
where's it pointing that video? Give it over. I'm assuming,
honest to god, Mark, that was sure My first point.
They probably deficult party have that video, all right.

Speaker 1 (41:18):
And they were sure the video exists obviously, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 4 (41:20):
And so and so they simply had lost their own investigations.
Subpoena all the people close to it, including the FBI
agents who gave over that bag of money to Holman.
They was subpoena Holman himself. You see where this is going.

Speaker 1 (41:34):
I mean, I'm saying where it's going. But what should
be frustrating to all Americans is that it has to
go that way. So if the Democrats can come in
in fourteen months, then you can actually hold someone who
openly took fifty thousand dollars in cash from an FBI agent,
undercover FBI agent who was posing as a businessman. Then

(41:57):
you could begin to subpoena that. It's not even a prosecution,
it's just subpoeniating it. And you're you know, I guess
there's a reputational damage, et cetera. Gary, he's openly corrupt.
If the stuff's there, it's not. Again, we drag this out,
so there has to be a congressional investigation. He gets subpoenaed.
Why isn't he being prosecuted because he's a friend of
the president, he serves in his administration. Look you you

(42:19):
you know who are the who's the gold bar guy? There? Men?
Men Menendez, Robert's Democrat under the Biden they didn't drop
an investigation on him. They they locked him up, They
sent him to prison, him and his wife. Again, I
find I don't think it's Democrats and Republicans weighing in
in the same way. This ain't your daddy's gop.

Speaker 4 (42:40):
Okay, Look, I'm giving you a pragmatic way forward for
how it could happen. I hope you may need you
may need to say that screened a third time. Since
I've sitting here, don't you get out of the system. Okay.
So here's the thing, what has stead from the beginning.
Holman should definitely be prosecuted if the facts are true, period,

(43:06):
end of story. There's no question about that. Okay, let's
all agree on that. I simply was giving you a
pragmatic way forward for it still to happen. And by
the way, when they subpoena, it's not just reputational. Okay.
If Holman were to get subpoena and not come before
that committee and then because they would clearly play that

(43:27):
tape for him to see in that airing and say
is that you or is that not you? Right, I mean,
that's what would happen, and it would be an immediate
reference to the I mean, a passing on to the
Justice Department. Look, this warrants formal federal charge. All I
was saying was that's the way forward. If indeed, Holman

(43:49):
is guilty. The Justice Department stonewalls and Trump orders them
not to pursue charges. That's all I was trying to
give you is a sort of silver lining for you
this morning.

Speaker 1 (44:02):
You were basically saying, this is the remedy for this circumstance.
I guess, right, right, But.

Speaker 4 (44:06):
When no way was justifying Holman not being prosecuted, not
being indicted, not being investigated, in no way, shape or form,
Mark you know, I am an equal opportunity hold to
account person, period and the story. And by the way,
one little aside on Menendez, just so people know, it's
not like he was a big friend of the Biden

(44:27):
white House. I mean, by the time then Indez got charged,
everybody in this party, I mean, the Democratic uh continued
in the US Senate and the Biden White House wanted
him gone.

Speaker 1 (44:39):
Well and out of that there could be no dispute.
So let me just take you to this other just
one half a click over on the Justice Department weaponizing
in a way that sort of makes any i'd suggest
consideration of weaponizing that went under in Biden kind of
looked like mister Rogers neighborhood. I mean, this is a

(45:00):
kind of demand from the president. It's an overt demand
to go after all of these different perceived enemies and
find something on them. Now, isn't that authoritarian playbook stuff?
Or is Can you give me some kind of correction
on that as well, and I'll grant you, and I

(45:21):
just sorry, and then I will let you speak. I
don't mean to ask a question and then continue on,
but I do want to say that I'll grant you
that there can be, and there was, even under the
Biden administration, what I'd consider sort of a selective prosecution
on some level. I don't in any way feel as
though that the last administration was, you know, squeaky clean

(45:43):
in this area. But this is to me a standard
deviation worse. This is truly the world of authoritarianism. When
you're saying I don't like these people, these Democrats, these
major donors to the Democratic Party, these major party luminary,
they are my enemies, and I want you to go
after them and do it now.

Speaker 4 (46:05):
Right, Well, there's no doubt mark that any pressure from
any White House on any Justice Department is absolutely and
unequivocally inappropriate. I mean, it has no place in our
democratic process. It has no place in our structure of
American governance, and it undermines the very institutions that underpin

(46:30):
ax free society, most notably our judiciary as well as
our executive branch. And to the degree that happens and
pressure is put on Congress, that branch as well. So
there's no question about that, and I want to be
again unequivocally clear about that. I don't care who the
president is. I don't care who their enemies are. Richard

(46:51):
Nixon had his own enemies list very famously. That's where
that term first came to be. There's also a sensus,
you know, and here's my bottom line on this, mark,
I am concerned more broadly about people's declining confidence in
our institutions. You could go back to Biden's partnering of
thousands of people at the end of his term, right,

(47:13):
people said, wait a minute, this is historic. Nobody's ever
pardoned this many people at the end. What is going
on here? That's sort of the bigger, broader picture.

Speaker 1 (47:22):
I wanted to remind remind us of what you're talking about,
the partnering of thousands of people.

Speaker 4 (47:27):
Well, at the very end of the Biden administration, you know,
people cided the fact that there were large, large numbers
of pardons that went beyond presidential norms, let's just put
it that way, and people had real question marks about
that and why that was happening.

Speaker 1 (47:43):
And the preemptive partons is that what are you talking about?

Speaker 4 (47:46):
I don't know the Well, some of them were preemptive,
of course for his family members, et cetera. And there
were just a whole host of other partons for lower
less lower offenses, drug offenses and things like that that
people had serns about because that just the numerical size
of that market. Okay, so so, but but there were
of course question marks. You know, people come down on

(48:09):
both sides of this, the preemptive pardons for Biden failures.
I'm not marketing on me. I'm not our apologist for
either side. I'm simply describing my concern and a number
of people's concerns in the larger political arena of the
the undermining of our people's confidence in their institutions of governance.

Speaker 1 (48:31):
I think they I think their confidence should be undermined.
I mean, this is this is an extraordinary thing. What's happening.
I mean, I think you you're seeing a wrecking ball
taken to justice and freedoms in America, and I you
mentioned Biden, so I'll just address it for a moment.
I know Biden issued a bunch of commutations to drug offenders.
You know, that was a lot of it. And and

(48:52):
even so there were this is marijuana, cocaine, I believe
as well. You know you'd have to you have to
look and then and you know this chapter and verse
better than I do. I thought he was a way
you know, I was not a hunter Biden fan. I
even thought it was his brother's brother that was involved
in some crap. Man. I didn't have any tolerance for
any of that stuff. But these guys, I mean, you've

(49:13):
got the Biden family again engaging their own improprieties in
my judgment, but these guys that the Trumps are, it's insane.
I mean, it's it's it's it's wide open. But to
put a specific on the insanity just because you said thousands,
I thought the pardoning of the Jay sixers that was
to me. I mean, that told you all you needed

(49:34):
to know about what was going to happen on some level.
And now it's happened. And here's why I say that.
Just very quickly, because there were really violent criminals there.
I mean you had, you had proud boys, you had,
I mean you know, they had prosecutions that are really
very difficult ones, and they got convictions in those prosecutions
that are really hard to get. And so the pardoning

(49:55):
of these people, I mean again, people who beat police
officers were going to into their lives on January sixth,
the parting of them, along with those who might have
been lower level participants, I thought there was sort of
a there was a recklessness to that and a fiat
to that associated with sort of Trumpian instincts that tells

(50:17):
us a lot about where Donald Trump's head is.

Speaker 4 (50:19):
Well. I have stillm chagrined by the fact that okay, look,
anybody that breaks a window of the United States Capital
and enters unlawfully has committed a crime. There is no
if and or butts about it. Not to mention the
physical violence that you described, Mark, I mean, I am

(50:41):
still chagrined to this day. I mean, one of the
most horrific things I've watched in my time in politics,
take aside assassinations and all the other absolutely abhorrent things,
but just in terms of quote demonstrations and political involvement
breaking into the US capital, smashing windows, rampaging through the

(51:02):
halls of Congress. I mean, that was just absolutely unconscionable.
There was no excuse for it. There can be no
excuse for it, and there can be no excuse for
people not being held accountable for their actions. So you
don't mean Mark again said one more time, I'm equally
adept at hold and and desirous of holding people accountable.

(51:26):
I do not care what their political affiliation is. Their
ideo ideology is that there's January sixth, folks who committed
crimes should be held accountable.

Speaker 1 (51:37):
Pure point. My point was, My point was in the
in those pardons, you got all you needed to know
about the impulse of Donald Trump, the new president, and
the new administration. In other words, there's no political ideology here.
You know that with Donald Trump, there's no political ideology.
I'm saying that not you, but I think it's clear.
But there is an ideology. The ideology is either you're

(52:00):
with me or you're my enemy. And those people on
January sixth were with me, and that's why I pardoned them.
But I want to move on to California. California has
taken its own steps to try to push back against
a lot of the administration ICE policy and the mask
policy that is pursued by ICE agents. Has to say,

(52:21):
they wear their masks in these various situations. They show
up at these car washes, they're all masked up. They
show up in any number these in the agricultural fields,
and in restaurants, et cetera. They're all masked up. So
Newsome in California is trying to say, no, not in California,

(52:41):
there will be no federal officers in ICE or in
any other capacity wearing masks and performing these arrests. Can
you give us a sense of a whether maybe whether
I've summarized it more or less correctly, and also be
whether you feel that that actually stands a chance of
being policy in California.

Speaker 4 (53:02):
Yeah. Well, let me take the second one first, because
it's somewhat easier to address, and that is simply that
it's going to be difficult for two reasons. One because
in terms of state and local officials sometimes they use masking,
and that is and that the legislation attempts to address
this by saying, well, then you're going to have to
have a badge on the outside with your department and

(53:25):
your name so that we can identify you. And there's
a whole host of reasons why law enforcement might mask
up to go into some of these scenarios. Sometimes it's
their own safety if they're taking on gang elements, et cetera.
I mean, as you know, Mark, there's simial adopting this,
the real targeting of law enforcement that's happened, especially by
certain gang elements in California. They'll just take out an

(53:46):
officer right at his home. I mean, if there's somebody
who's been effective and infiltrating gang members, that's why you
have people go under cover. So that's a challenge on
the local and state level for law enforcement. They're going
to have to figure out the mechanics of that that.
The federal part is much trickier and has I think
some real legal challenges. There's no doubt ahead of it.

(54:08):
That's what all the experts in the law are saying
that for the state to determine policy for federal law
enforcement is undoubtedly going to be challenged. Okay, for the
obvious constitutional reasons. Now as far as utilizing those masks
by ice agents, you know, here again the federal government,

(54:29):
the term administration is said again, that's we're saying that
that's for safety concerns for the ice officers. I suspect
Mark that that very premise is going to be the
essence of the challenge of this in court. Okay, it's
going to be challenged, and a court's going to have
to decide. Look, it's either valid that there's so much

(54:49):
danger potentially to these federal law enforcement folks and federalized
agents that masking is warranted or it is not.

Speaker 1 (54:59):
So that's the situation with the Justice Department, and I'm
glad we'll we visited a little bit of that over
the weekend the Charlie Kirk memorial service. It was an
incredible thing to see. It's so very well attended. I mean,
this is obviously someone who was so significant turning point
USA I was saying, continues to be not only super relevant,

(55:21):
probably animated in large measure by his tragic, violent death.
I wonder if you can give me a thought on
this and also sort of moving forward where we are
at this point in America. I think we're kind of
in a scary place.

Speaker 4 (55:36):
Yeah, well, you know, you know it's being cited to.
First of all, the numbers Mark, it's pretty remarkable. To
your point, eighty thousand people accommodied inside the arena in
Phoenix and two hundred thousand that showed up that they
were anticipating this. I had to have large outdoor screens,
et cetera. That's pretty remarkable to get two hundred thousand
Americans and some of these people that are enterviewing, you know, Mark,

(55:58):
they came from all of the country to come to this.
They felt like it was important to them personally or
or otherwise to do so. Now, I think the most
poignant part of the entire ceremony. People are pointing to this,
and I hope, Mark, I truly hope that this maybe
charts the beginnings of a way forward. Was Erica Kirks.

(56:21):
It's you know, this is touching to even say saying
I forgive you to the shooter from the podium, and
people on the right and left are saying, Wow, that
takes a lot, Right, just a little over a week
after your spouse is and you know, the father your
children's assassinated, to say I forgive you from that podium

(56:43):
to a national and international audience may well be marked.
And most people are studying the most significant thing that
happened at that entire event, because nobody would have the presence,
the authority, the gravitas to utter those words and have
them be taken seriously more than Erica Kurki's spouse.

Speaker 1 (57:04):
I hope that does chart a way forward, you know.
I mean, you're right, that was a watershed moment. It had.
I thought the event from what I saw and what
I read, it had a wonderful of course of religiosity
to it that was much Charlotte, very Charlie Kirk. And

(57:25):
it also had it had a campaign rally quality to
it from Trump, you know. And Trump, of course is
a problematic figure because he can't keep his foot off
the gas, I guess, and he has to express on
the opposite side of that a hate for his opponents,
you know, and that that was the yin and the
yang of that. You can point to her, and I

(57:45):
can point to him and go, yeah, but it seems
as though this guy is still a you know, an influencer,
a taste maker the power the United States.

Speaker 4 (57:53):
Yeah. What I would say, Mark, is this is interesting. Okay.
I totally agree with you, and I think there's many
many of us who kind of sit where I do
in my kind of position and say many of the
Trump remarks, you know, I mean, including these like tariffs
and all kinds of things. He was trying to weave
together the faith part of it and Charlie's support of

(58:14):
a lot of those political perspectives and policy prescriptions. But
I didn't think that was the place for it, Okay.
I felt like, you know, you talk about the policy
stuff even related to Charlie and his separate setting that
a memorial service. That's my personal take, and I think
that's widely shared by many people who sit in the
kind of chairs that I do. My hope is that

(58:37):
you know, Erica kok is young, and this turning point
movement is young, and frankly it's interesting. But as you
well know, the largest cadre of that movement were young
people and the request that had come in from college
and high school campuses across the country to start turning
point chapters. Where am I going with this? Mark? My
point is simply this, in three and a half years,

(58:59):
Donald Trump, and I know now this will start all noted.
Now we want to be emperor for life. Okay, by
our constitution. Right now, he's supposed to be out of office.
Turning Point conversely, may well be we'll see what this
ends up. Mark after twenty six, twenty eight, twenty thirty,
could just be the start of a political movement it
goes for quite a long time, and that animates people

(59:21):
and activates people, especially young people, in ways that could
way outlive the Trump impact. That is I think going
to be the big question mark, because what happened yesterday
in Phoenix did not look like a temporary phenomenon.

Speaker 1 (59:38):
I completely agree with you, and I made those comments
at the start of the show. I think the future
of America very much will be informed by Turning Point
USA and sort of the adjacent movement, say, a wave
of a conservatism and a wave of religious conservatism. It's
a fascinating it's a fascinating phenomenon to see it pick

(59:58):
up a lot of the It's just so sad that
this guy loses his life in this violent way, and
that's I think one of the reasons that it's becoming supercharged.
But the fact that it is going to be supercharged,
I think is indeed just that e fact. So we
agree Gary Dietrich on that, and look, I love I

(01:00:20):
love our back and forth, and you know, You've forgotten
more about this stuff than Oliver know. But I really
do appreciate you indulging me, and so again, thank you,
my friend. I appreciate you being.

Speaker 4 (01:00:30):
Here, of course, Mark, and I just want to say,
you know, listen, brother, I appreciate your passion and that
of every one of your listeners and viewers. This is
a time where passions, understandably are running high and deep,
and I do not begrudge that to anybody. Frankly, Mark,
I'd much rather have people engaged in passionate in the

(01:00:50):
process than either checking out completely and going off the grid,
or being ultimately cynical and saying the future is absolutely doomed.

Speaker 1 (01:00:59):
So he let me just follow up on something you
just said. You said our understandably impassioned and emotional or whatever.
And you say understandably because.

Speaker 4 (01:01:12):
Because we are in a day that we probably haven't
certainly seen. Most people are equating it to things like
the civil rights movement in the Vietnam War. We're just
engaged as a people, Mark and as a society in
the big issues of our time, like we haven't been
in a long long time. And you know, some people

(01:01:33):
go they cite things like Vietnam War, civil rights movement,
and then they go way back to maybe even as
far as the Civil War in terms of times when
our nation has been this engaged in the future of
our country and in very deep feelings about it.

Speaker 1 (01:01:52):
I'd say also that they're engaged because their decisions being
made in America is changing at such a massive rate
that it almost demands your attention.

Speaker 4 (01:02:05):
Yeah, I'm going to broaden that because you know, we
don't get to talk enough about international I think this
is happening globally, and there's a lot of people sit
there's a lot of people saying that we have so
much information now in the US, even about global events,
and we're so tidying globally in a way we never
have been that some of these same dialogues, questions, upheavals,

(01:02:26):
as you well know, are happening around the globe as well.

Speaker 1 (01:02:29):
It's funny that you say this, because I had on
my list of things I want to talk to you
about today. UN. I have some strong thoughts about the
future of the UN and what's happened now UNS and crisis.
Even if they're celebrating their eightieth anniversary, it's a time
of crisis. You would seem always in the world, but
particularly now, as you point out, and yet this institution
that was designed to somehow kind of stop the bleeding internationally,

(01:02:52):
I think it's bleeding out a bit on its own.
So maybe that can we table it for next week.

Speaker 4 (01:02:57):
I'd love to talk that for next week.

Speaker 1 (01:02:59):
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Speaker 2 (01:03:40):
Which want to use Mark Thompson.

Speaker 4 (01:03:43):
Here's Mark Homson, Mark Thomson.

Speaker 1 (01:03:48):
Wow, Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm loving my time with Gary Dietrich.
I don't mean to make it all about Trump all
the time. It's not, you know, but I will tell
you that there is a new policy going down in Washington.
That's very Trumpian. I wonder, in fact, if I couldn't

(01:04:10):
just dust off something we haven't done in a while. Tony.
This is a you, because you're the guy who punches
the buttons and brings it all together. I wonder if
we have chunk of Trump around? Do we have that? Yeah?
All right. I don't mean to make it all about
Trump all the time, but once in a while something
happens and you know Trump's involved. What am I supposed

(01:04:32):
to do? Here's your chunk of Trump.

Speaker 8 (01:04:35):
Open wide. Ready, Here comes You're chunk of Trump.

Speaker 4 (01:04:39):
It's my favorite food.

Speaker 8 (01:04:41):
With your first bite, here's Mark Thompson.

Speaker 1 (01:04:43):
I have a feeling it's going to be beautiful. There
is a pin that was worn by the chairman of
the FCC. You know, the guy who's leaning on television
station networks, merger aspirants. You know that chairman of the FCC,

(01:05:03):
the guy who was leaning on Sinclair Broadcasting, Next Star, etc.
Brendan Carr. So he usually wears this American flag lapel pin,
but instead of that, he put a gold medallion in
the shape of President Trump's profile about the size of
a quarter. He put that on his blue suit, pinned

(01:05:28):
it on, wore it to a meeting with Georgia Congressman
Buddy Carter. Later he wore that same pin to a
meeting at the Justice Department, and then he actually posted
the meetings on x, the platform that is often used
by administration officials.

Speaker 2 (01:05:47):
Did he have that inmercially made like a good to
a jeweler and have a little Trump head crafted?

Speaker 1 (01:05:53):
It is something that is, I guess, going to find
its way into more wardrobes of those who are Trump devotees,
and among them people in his administration. Rumors are flying

(01:06:13):
that mister Trump is requiring members of administration to wear
the pins, but the White House Communications director is saying
that is fake news. But the fact that someone who
worked for Trump thought it might be a good idea
to display his boss's likeness on his lapel, no matter
how briefly it is displayed, is notable. It is not

(01:06:35):
the only Trump likeness currently popping up in the administration.
His face also is on the Trump Gold Card, which
is a mockup of the proposed Green card for those
willing to pay five million dollars.

Speaker 2 (01:06:48):
And we're really swapping out the American flag for the
Trump head. Is that true?

Speaker 1 (01:06:53):
That don't see that happening, but you know it is true.
Just speaking in terms of the face of Donald Trump
there it is the Trump card that was watching on YouTube.
The face and the big banners with mister Trump's face

(01:07:14):
are going to be displayed on the front of several
government buildings in Washington, d C. So if you visit Washington,
d C. It is very unusual for a president's face
to be displayed that way. It's kind of maoist, you know,
to have the the supreme leaders face there. But that's

(01:07:35):
exactly what is happening in Washington now. And so when
asked why mister Carr wore the pin and why he
got it, a spokesman for the FCC said, Chairman Carr
has focused on delivering great results for the American people,
and you have chosen to focus on lapel pins.

Speaker 2 (01:07:54):
Yes, we have.

Speaker 1 (01:07:56):
So the lapel pin may or may not make its
way into uh the wardrobe of everyone within this administration,
but there it is probably displayed on Brendan Carr's suit.
Brendan Carr, who kind of dominated the news cycle in
the last week as chairman of the SEC, but he's

(01:08:18):
super relevant to so much going on in media and
in the reconstitution of media and news in America. And
apparently he'll do a lot of the work while wearing
the Trump lapel pin.

Speaker 2 (01:08:31):
And that, yes, does that speak to we're exchanging a
love of country to a love of Trump.

Speaker 1 (01:08:39):
No, these aretive provocative questions. These are provocative questions, and
some might say, who are true? Mega, Well, is there
a difference between logo country and love of Trump? How
dare you? Maybe they would say what, Maybe they would say,
you're out of line that conversation to get a hold

(01:09:01):
of your sense of patriotism and realize that it overlaps
precisely with that of worship to this man who has
changed America. That is your chunk of Trump.

Speaker 8 (01:09:15):
That's it for this edition.

Speaker 1 (01:09:17):
Well, I really enjoyed it, But.

Speaker 8 (01:09:18):
Make sure to join us again next time.

Speaker 10 (01:09:20):
I think you might want to listen. There's nothing wrong
with listening.

Speaker 8 (01:09:23):
For another chunk of Trump.

Speaker 1 (01:09:30):
I'm super excited about getting into something that isn't Donald
Trump and isn't politics. For a few minutes, it is
the it's a palate cleanser to all of that. Yes,
this guy is to me, he's the Neil de grass
Tyson and Carl Sagan. That is ours. I've always felt

(01:09:51):
that way since the eighties. I've felt that way about
this guy. He's the brilliant astronomer and professor Andrew Fracknoy. Everyone, Hello, sir,
well hello, good to be with you. It's really exciting
to have you on. And I'll get right into sort
of agenda stuff that I think speaks to exciting developments

(01:10:13):
in the world of astronomy and physics. And you have
a class, it's called Atomic Science for poets. It's at
ALI at San Francisco State and we're going to post
a link to a registration. Should those in the San
Francisco Bay area want to join? And so, is it

(01:10:36):
in person or will there also be kind of an
online element.

Speaker 10 (01:10:39):
Oh, it's entirely online.

Speaker 1 (01:10:40):
Oh great, So you can join from anywhere anywhere in
the universe, can jump All right, that's great. Well, then
in that case, it's not just the San Francisco Bay area. Yeah,
if you want to register and be part of the class,
Tony will put the click through at the bottom of
this video and you'll get a chance to uh. You

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can click through that way. I want to ask you
about the uh This is always interesting that the nature
of discovery when it comes to the universe in our
Solar system and et cetera. And there have been some
pretty significant discoveries since we've talked last.

Speaker 10 (01:11:14):
Well, it's it's always an exciting time in astronomy, and
I think the biggest news that people have been hearing
about is the announcement that we have better evidence than
ever for the possibility of ancient life on Mars.

Speaker 1 (01:11:35):
Now, when you say ancient life on Mars, you mean
there's evidence that there was microbial life there. That's right.

Speaker 10 (01:11:42):
That the background for our listeners that goes like this,
Mars billions of years ago was much more like the Earth.
We have good evidence from the expiration we've done on
Mars already that Mars in those days had a thick
atmosphere and that enabled liquid water to flow. And we

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have river beds, we have dried up lake beds. We
have excellent evidence of a wet early Mars. Later, Mars,
because it was a small planet, didn't have enough gravity
to hold onto its air excuse me, So the air
wafted away into space, leaving a dry and not airless,

(01:12:27):
but very very thin atmosphere planet. But billions of years ago,
the conditions were right for life to begin. And the
big question we have is did it begin on Mars
in microscopic form the way it began on Earth? And
if so, billions of years later, can we find any
evidence for that ancient life leftover fossils or chemicals and

(01:12:51):
minerals that indicate that there were life forms on Mars.
And the Perseverance Rover, which is the most sophisticated science
lababoratory we have ever put on another world, has recently
found some very intriguing chemical and mineral evidence that there
might have been life in ancient times. It's hard to

(01:13:13):
analyze for millions of miles away. We wish we could
bring some of that home. That's a separate discussion. But
the intriguing, the intriguing evidence has become so good that
a number of scientists are now thinking, Wow, this looks
better than ever.

Speaker 1 (01:13:30):
So, so what you're talking about is based on imagery
that we have, yes.

Speaker 10 (01:13:36):
Imagery and chemical analysis. This this laboratory can actually do
things like use a laser beam to vaporize a Mars
rock and then smell what it's made of. I mean,
it sounds pretty. It's so cool. And so it's been
doing not just looking but analyzing of samples. And it's

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also been putting some of those samples into very very
hardened test tubes, which it leaves on the surface of Mars.
Or here you see a nice diagram of the rover
with its many scientific instruments, the big arm of which
says the instrument for analyzing things called sherlock. Is that

(01:14:23):
appropriate or what analysis? And so it's also taking some
of the samples of leaving them in test tubes on
Mars for future missions to pick up. But that's what
it's based on.

Speaker 1 (01:14:36):
So but that last part that you mentioned is really
significant because you know, for future missions to pick up then,
as you say, and are you sort of hinting, they'd
have to get back to Earth somehow. So these don't
necessarily to be manned missions, but they would have to
be missions that are designed to go to Mars and
come back to Earth. Are those reasonably in the offing.

Speaker 10 (01:14:59):
Well, they're on the drawing board. NASA started funding the
Mars Sample Return, as we call it, but the current
budget cuts have completely nixed that. They're just the enormous
budget cuts being proposed for NASA mean that that mission
is dead, so maybe we have to wait another for

(01:15:20):
another administration for that.

Speaker 1 (01:15:22):
It's interesting because the discovery of things that are associated
with our origins, origins of the universe, the Solar system,
et cetera, which seems to transcend kind of national borders,
and yet there really isn't a kind of I'm thinking
of that. The International Space Station, I guess, is a
little bit of what I'm talking about, but there isn't

(01:15:42):
a consortium of nations that are pursuing a lot of
these individual scientific pursuits. This is kind of it's expressly
an American thing. What you decided to know.

Speaker 10 (01:15:54):
There's an Indian spacecraft in orbit around Mars which is
sharing imagery and data with the United States. There are
Chinese missions in the offing to land on Mars as
much as we have, and the scientists and those missions
cross national borders and they share data. So there's hope

(01:16:14):
for humanity in that kind of cooperation.

Speaker 1 (01:16:18):
You know, it's funny you say that, and you say
with a smile, but I really do think that maybe
this is growing up on Star Trek or something, and
I feel that sort of like the hope for humanity
is in that we are together humans, and in that sense,
we must be together as we do things like search

(01:16:38):
for clues in the universe, not even life, but just
in general stories in the universe, of our origins, of
the continuing nature of the universe itself. These seem to
be unified, you know what I mean, like they transcend
any kind of international borders.

Speaker 10 (01:16:54):
I think you put that very well. Yes, absolutely so.

Speaker 1 (01:16:59):
One thing before I Mars. I want to ask you,
and I hate to always be the buzzkill on this,
but it is pretty much impossible for there to be
a man emission to Mars, isn't there, Professor Fracnoy, I
mean for radiation reasons and a bunch of things that
would just make it I think prohibitively, I'll say just difficult.
You could also go slash costly.

Speaker 10 (01:17:18):
Yeah, I wouldn't say impossible. I think someday we will
wind up with humans on Mars. But it's a lot
harder than Elon Musk's ideas lead you to believe. It's
tremendously It's a long journey. You're exposed to a lot
of radiation. The Martian surface itself doesn't have the kind

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of protection from particles and radiation that the Earth's atmosphere
affwards us, so a human on Mars would need a
lot of protection on the way and then on the planet,
which you don't really see in the sort of simplified
scenarios that people play out.

Speaker 1 (01:18:01):
Well people. One of the people who's playing it out
and has a lot of pull is Elon Musk. You know,
it just it seems as though I think it's a grab.
I think it's a money grab. I mean, I think
that there's no real there there no real way, and
I mean, I guess, you know, the idea could be exciting,
you know, you create this habitat actually on this other planet,

(01:18:23):
but the reality is that it just it's prohibitively difficult
for the reasons to which you've alluded to, the radiation,
et cetera. And these are ways in which is kind
of a grift associated with it. I mean, I and
believe me, I understand. You can say, hey, it's space exploration,
so please fund our scientific program, and that helps fund

(01:18:44):
science because of the wonderment associated with space exploration. But
the reality is, you know, you're selling a bill of goods.
Not you. I'm talking about Musk and others who say, yeah,
we're and we're going to set up an actual civilization
because we're going to use this planet up and need
another one. I mean that just to it seems absurd.

Speaker 10 (01:19:01):
Really, it's premature, more poet jumping the gun, as he
did on so many things. He's his fantasy is better
than his reality. Let's put it down.

Speaker 1 (01:19:14):
Yeah, you're you're very you're very polite. All right now,
the recent announcement from NASA that we now know of.

Speaker 10 (01:19:23):
Mark, Before we do that and I say a word
or two about the you mentioned my course, and then
we kind of let it go, would it be okay?

Speaker 1 (01:19:30):
Yeah? I didn't. I mentioned it first so that we
can talk about it, and then you let it go.
I blame you, professor a double back to your course.

Speaker 11 (01:19:42):
Let me mentioned just a few things about so you
get those of you who have heard me on this program,
Mark Kgo know that I'm an astronomer and I mostly
talk about outer space and big things out there.

Speaker 10 (01:19:54):
But as exciting as that is, another really exciting part
of science in the twentieth and twenty first century is
the world of the really small. What happens inside the atom,
and we've learned things there that are absolutely remarkable and
have made amazing technology possible, the sort of quantum world

(01:20:15):
that you hear about, and so I teach courses for
retired people in various institutions, including San Francisco State, and
they've asked me to put together this six week non
technical class on what's going on inside the atom for
people who don't have any science background. And it's going

(01:20:36):
to be six tuesdays, middle of the day, no math required,
and I'm going to really try to explain with analogies
and humor, what we've learned about the atom and what
it makes possible in our world today. So if people
have if you know someone who's retired, or if you
yourself are retired and you're interested, the URL to get

(01:21:00):
to the course information is bit dot l y b
I t dot l y forward slash Adams Course, Adams
Course bit dot l y slash Adams Course, and that
has all the information that you're seeing there. You don't
have to be in San Francisco, and you don't have
to be a member of anything to take the class.

(01:21:21):
It's all explained on that page that you can get.

Speaker 1 (01:21:25):
And as I mentioned before, we'll have a link to
the class in the description, so you don't you know,
if you didn't jot it down or whatever, you just
click on the link, hot link. I'll take you right
to a registration for the course and the description. So
there you go.

Speaker 10 (01:21:37):
So thank you for letting letting me mention that.

Speaker 1 (01:21:39):
Yeah, of course.

Speaker 10 (01:21:41):
And now I'll like some answer the question you asked me.

Speaker 1 (01:21:43):
My god, it's you've made a mess of things, professor.

Speaker 10 (01:21:46):
My god, Right, what can you do with this?

Speaker 1 (01:21:48):
All right? But let me let me let me let
me just remind uh where I was saying that. There's
been a recent announcement that we now know six thousand
planets are orbiting stars, and many of those planets are
like the planet Earth.

Speaker 10 (01:22:05):
Yeah, so this is NASA likes to memorialize anniversaries and
count things. And just recently we have passed six thousand
known planets orbiting other stars. Thirty years ago, we knew
zero planets orbiting other stars, and now we know six

(01:22:30):
thousand of them orbiting thousands of other stars. And that's
only the nearest stars, the ones in which we have access.
And so these exoplanets as we call them, range all
the way from bigger than Jupiter and made mostly of
gas and liquid all the way to planets that are
too small for life as we know. But among them

(01:22:53):
are planets that are like the Earth, that have that
are in the zone where liquid water is possible, that
may have atmospheres. And that's very, very exciting to have
that amazing range of planets available now to study. It's
a great time to be alive.

Speaker 1 (01:23:14):
You don't say this, but let me try for something here.
Even as these planets, again in my buzzkill capacity, I
have to ask this question, even as these planets do
offer this sense of potential for life. As you say,
water which is a critical element, and the kind of

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placement may be proximity to the stars, so it's not
too hot, not too call the kind of Goldilocks thing
that they talk about Earth that way. Even as that
is the case, there is a remarkable thing that's happened
here on Earth. I call it remarkable. It understates it
in the extreme right, Professor Fraknoy, It's miraculous what's happened here,

(01:23:59):
the evolution, the way in which chemicals, uh the way
in which the fire of the universe's beginnings has evolved
to the place where we where we are. Isn't it
wouldn't it be an amazing lottery ticket. If there were

(01:24:20):
another like this, well.

Speaker 10 (01:24:22):
I don't. I don't agree with that. I think miraculous
makes it sound like it's one of a kind, and
I would say tremendous, exciting, But I'm not sure that
it's one of a kind or that it's a lottery ticket.
I think the chemicals that let the life on Earth

(01:24:42):
are now being found in places where life is not possible,
on asteroids, on comets, in great clouds of raw material
among the stars. So we know that the chemical combinations
it takes for life to begin are far easier than
we used to think. That doesn't mean that's going to
lead to Mark Thompson listeners overnight, but over the billions

(01:25:06):
of years and on what must be millions of planets
in the galaxy, it seems pretty unlikely that we're the
only place where life has evolved where intelligent life. They
may not be like us, they may not think like us,
but they may have different chemistry from us. But this

(01:25:26):
possibility of the evolution of complexity is sufficiently well understood
step by step that I don't think we are a miracle.
I think we are one of perhaps many that are
in the universe, and I'd love to get in touch
with the others.

Speaker 1 (01:25:43):
Well, certainly the universe is a different it's a weird
thing because you're talking about such huge numbers anyway, But
the universe is a different deal than the galaxy, even
as the galaxy is so immense. I mean, please, don't
misunderstand me. But the universe, sure, I mean, the universe,
it goes on. It would be I think, fool harder
to say that there isn't any other life except that

(01:26:03):
life on Earth in the universe. It just seemed as
though the galaxy was a reached But it's like we're
just talking about hey, okay, I mean, we're just talking
about acreage at that point, you know, and there's enough
acreage in the galaxy to suggest, as you say, that
it would exist. And you make a pretty good argument.
I guess that the same elements are there, why would
Earth be the only place?

Speaker 10 (01:26:23):
And not just elements, but combination of atoms in the
molecules and complex things. We found things like vinegar in space,
alcohol in space, PAHs, which are complex hydrocarbons in space.
Several of the building blocks of life, including formaldehyde and
things like that. So it's not just that the ingredients

(01:26:46):
are there, the cooking has begun, even outside the planet.

Speaker 1 (01:26:51):
It's such a remarkable world of complexity that's led us
to this place. You know, having read some stuff about,
you know, the beginnings of the Earth, and even the
books that are written about the beginning of the Earth,
they're really hard to understand. I mean, on some level,
there's so many different chemical and electrical reactions that had

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to come together for even just the primordial ooze of
this world to begin that it just seems an extraordinary thing.

Speaker 10 (01:27:20):
You know, you're absolutely right. And also we had to
avoid a whole series of dangers. Other planets may suffer
from much more violent asteroid crashes, or from a star
that has these huge flares that can destroy life at
the distance of the Earth. So in some ways we

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not only have to have a good planet, but a
good environment for that planet. But again, the Milky Way
Galaxy has a hundred billion stars, and we've only seen
planets around the closest group of those because that's how
our instruments work. We're better at seeing things that are

(01:28:02):
a little closer. So the number of possibilities in the
galaxy is so vast that I'm hopeful that a peaceful
environment and the right evolution can happen in other places.

Speaker 1 (01:28:15):
What's your favorite sci fi jam Professor Franknoy What, uh,
which sci fi franchise or maybe it's just a single
one off like a movie or whatever is your is
your fav Well.

Speaker 10 (01:28:30):
My goodness that that's that's so hard. I'm thrilled that
they've made one of my favorite science fiction books into
a TV series now the Foundation series is streaming. But
my favorite set of books are actually by a British
science fiction writer, Alastair Reynolds, who has a PhD in astronomy.

(01:28:50):
You won't be surprised I like him and he writes
a kind of film noir science fiction where uh, it's
a little bit like those dark black and white mysteries
of the nineteen thirties in the far future, and I
just love the book to start with this called Revelation
Space by Alistair Reynolds.

Speaker 1 (01:29:12):
Was that what hooked you in this world?

Speaker 10 (01:29:14):
Well though I was hooked long ago on as the
Maven Clarke and Heinlein. I'm but I should mention that
I myself am now writing science fiction and I've had
eleven stories published. So if you're interested in reading a
nerdy scientist science fiction. On my website fraknoid dot com.

(01:29:35):
You can read some of my published stories now a
lot about the questions Mark likes to ask about life
elsewhere in the universe. I love writing about that in
my science fiction.

Speaker 1 (01:29:45):
Tony, well, you can. We can put a link to
Professor Fraknoise there. It is fraknoid dot com. So we'll
put that link in there too. So there are two
links under excuse me, underneath this video. One will be
fraknoid dot com and the other will be the link
to your continuing series, the Ali Lectures. That will be
a six week class, but you'll get books by Franknoi

(01:30:05):
if you want them. And I got a chance to
sign up for the class. Yeah, good stuff. It's uh.
I'd love to see you so active and so you know,
so relevant and about education. Good stuff.

Speaker 10 (01:30:21):
That's a children's book I wrote with a colleague about
the eclipses of the Sun and the eclipses of the moon.
This lets you talk to your your children or grandchildren
about what eclipses are about.

Speaker 1 (01:30:32):
So Tony likes to focus on the children's stories.

Speaker 10 (01:30:36):
And thank you for putting that up really really cool.
But my whole career has been devoted to what we
do so well on this show, which is outreach about astronomy,
getting people of all ages excited about what's going on
out there, because it's wonderful and as you say, it's
such a good contrast to the difficult things on earth.

Speaker 1 (01:30:57):
You're here, good to think about. Congratulations on the course,
and I hope a lot of people from this conversation
find it and enjoy it. And as I say, there'll
be a link to it under this video and also
in the description. Thanks Professor Fractman, we'll talk to and again.

Speaker 10 (01:31:11):
Thank you so good to be with you.

Speaker 1 (01:31:13):
Thank you enjoyed it. Andrew fan I love it. I
love it, I really do love it. He is just great. Yeah,
he puts everybody in a good mood, doesn't he Even
I try to get him in a bad mood. I
try to tell him that his dreams are dead, but
he doesn't let go of him. He's pretty terrific. Andrew Fracknoy,

(01:31:37):
good stuff. Well, I've lost track of what we're supposed
to do now, Kim. I've lost track of the time,
I've lost track of everything.

Speaker 2 (01:31:45):
Well, you have a lot. You could talk about you have.
You could do some news, or you could talk about
some international goings on. You could talk about the H
one B VSA.

Speaker 1 (01:31:57):
Oh my god, yes, I do want to get to that.
I'll tell you.

Speaker 2 (01:31:59):
Let me.

Speaker 1 (01:31:59):
Let's lets get some news and I do want to
talk about the new visa program and the changes there.
So let's do that though. Lets give me some news
and commentary, okay and h and then we'll finish up
with and bookend it with the visa stuff and and
that changing situation. Do me a favor if you would, please,
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at the White House today. Speaking at Charlie Kirk's memorial

(01:33:47):
service yesterday, Trump said he thinks they found an answer
to autism. It's expected to link the developmental issue with
the use of taile andol or a seed of minifin
in pregnancy, based on a study by and HHS Government
Tax Task Force. Again still waiting for that press conference today.
President Trump publicly calling on US Attorney General Pam Bondi

(01:34:09):
to prosecute his political rivals. Trump went on truth Social Saturday,
saying nothing is being done about his political foes, and
he called for charges to be brought against Senator Adam Schiff,
former FBI Director James Comy, and New York Attorney General
Leticia James. Trump wrote, we can't delay any longer. He said,
the lack of charges is killing our reputation and credibility.

(01:34:34):
New York City mayoral candidate Zoron Mumdami is canceling a
town hall with ABWABC to protest Disney's indefinite suspension of
Jimmy Kimmel. Kimmell suspended after he made remarks relating to
the reaction from Trump of the assassination of conservative activist

(01:34:55):
Charlie Kirk. According to Mamdami, he's not canceling the appearance
as an indictment of the local affiliate or the hard
working journalist, but rather in response to the corporate leaders
who have put their bottom line ahead of their responsibility
to uphold the freedom of the press. A Washington DC
man is accused of aiming a laser pointer at Marine

(01:35:16):
one with President Trump on board. Jacob Winkler arrested Saturday
and charged with a federal felony TikTok's out of I
wonder you know he's actually an older fellow in his sixties.

Speaker 1 (01:35:28):
No kidding. I thought it might be some kid.

Speaker 2 (01:35:31):
Yeah. No, the Secret Service saw him. They say they
saw him do it and walked over to him, and
he said, I guess I ought to apologize to the president.
He uh. He was arrested and he faces now fines
in prison time, five years in prison if you're convicted
for that.

Speaker 1 (01:35:46):
Jeez. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:35:47):
TikTok's algorithm will be operated by Oracle in the United
States if a deal with China is finalized. White House
confirming the news today. The deal would see Oracle take
control of domestic operations as well. Trump expected to sign
an executive order later this week to extend the deadline
for the proposed deal to prevent TikTok from going dark

(01:36:09):
in the United States. A very public feud, you could say.
President Trump and Elon Musk were seen shaking hands at
Sunday's memorial service for Charlie Kirk. Comes months after Musk
left the Trump administration with his Department of Government Efficiency
or DOGE, facing growing criticism. A tech billionaire then became

(01:36:29):
involved in a very public feud with Trump criticizing the
President's Big Beautiful Bill and making references to his name
appearing in the Jeffrey Epstein files. But here they are
shaking hands on Sunday. So maybe it's all behind them now, Mark,
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:36:45):
Yeah, well, it's enough behind them that they're able to
to caucus over. Then.

Speaker 2 (01:36:51):
The Trump administration is approving the implementation of Meta's AI
system into government operations. What could go wrong? This system?
LAMA is a language model capable of processing and converting
data including video, photo, text, and audio. According to a
Federal Acquisition Service news release, the approval comes in alignment

(01:37:12):
with Trump's AI action plan, and the General Services Administration
is driving an unprecedented acceleration of AI adoption across the
federal government. President Trump's borders are as a mark mentioned.
Is denying allegations of bribery. MSNBC originally reporting Tom Homan
accepted fifty thousand dollars last year from undercover FBI agents

(01:37:35):
posing as business people after indicating he could help them
get government contracts. Sources told the network the case was
closed after Trump won re election. In an interview on
News Nation Saturday, Homan denied the reports. The White House
has yet to comment on California Governor Gavin Newsom signing
five bills into law that restrict federal immigration raids. Newsom

(01:37:59):
signing the bills and law los Angeles Saturday. One bell
bands law enforcement agents from wearing masks, Another requires agents
to display identification visibly. A third band's bail fugitive recovery
agents bail bondsman right from using their position for immigration enforcement,
and the other two require K through twelve schools and

(01:38:20):
higher education institutions to notify parents, students, and staff when
ICE agents are on campus, and they say agents need
to obtain valid judicial warrants before they enter any school
in California. The hosts of ABC's The View finally coming
out blasting Jimmy Kimmel's suspension. They open today's show addressing

(01:38:41):
the issue after not doing so last week. Will Be
Goldberg criticizing the FCC, saying the government cannot apply pressure
to force someone to be silenced, and co host Anna
Navarro said this is what dictators and authoritarians do. The
Sacramento man accused of shooting at a TV station heads
to court this week. Hernandez Santana back in custody after

(01:39:03):
The FBI arrested him soon after he posted bail. He's
now in custody for violating a federal statute which includes
interference to radio communications of stations licensed by the government.
Hernandez Santana will be back in court this week for
firing allegedly multiple shots at the ABC ten building in
Sacramento on Friday and today is the autumnal equinox. It

(01:39:27):
is the first way of fall for Earth's northern hemisphere.
At this point in the planet's orbit, the sun appears
directly over the equator, producing essentially the same amount of
time in daylight and darkness over today's twenty four hours.

Speaker 1 (01:39:42):
Tony, we don't have any kind of a pagan festival
that we could get going for the autumnal equinox. I'm
kind of Halloween. Not Halloween, yea, yeah, right, Halloween A.
It is okay, we need something to look forward to.

Speaker 2 (01:39:55):
Well. Speaking of holidays, I have one for you. The
Jewish holiday of rash Shauna begins tonight at sundown. He
asked for a holiday and answered. It marks the start
of the Jewish high holy days, which lead up to
Yam Kapur Jewish Day. It is a major announcement. Security
has been ramped up sadly across the country at places

(01:40:17):
of worship as a result of the holidayha ends at
dusk on Wednesday.

Speaker 1 (01:40:22):
Wow, I've never seen anything like it. I think they
do it every year.

Speaker 2 (01:40:27):
I think that, Yeah, now we have the real major announcement.
Can I get that one more time?

Speaker 1 (01:40:32):
Hang on a second, the major announcement.

Speaker 2 (01:40:38):
Yes, the newest TikTok trend is preparing for the end
times So Africa, thank you glad spot for me. A
South African pastor recently said that it should arrive either
this Tuesday or Wednesday, so you know, enjoy your last
Monday alive, noting that he had a vision that the

(01:41:00):
rapture was coming. That's the belief that some Christians will
leave this world behind. While earlier predictions of the rapture
or end of the world haven't panned out, some are
online giving advice, some serious, a lot not in what's
now being called rapture talk.

Speaker 1 (01:41:17):
You do not know what you are talking about. I
don't know. I mean, rapture talk could probably be rapture talk.

Speaker 2 (01:41:24):
On the off chance that there's any validity to rapture talk,
I thought maybe we ought to mention it.

Speaker 1 (01:41:28):
Yeah, no, I know that there are major trends in
TikTok or whatever. Like if you're on TikTok running like
the time, you're going to see this stuff. There must
be a lot of talk about Tuesday and Wednesday being
the end.

Speaker 2 (01:41:41):
So you know, enjoy yourself, maybe eat that piece of cake.

Speaker 1 (01:41:44):
It's all right. I will say this that the the
thing is that the rapture is a thing where Jesus
comes back. Is that what happens and then everybody comes,
all the day rise and everything. I've I used to
know it better. I kind of faded on it.

Speaker 2 (01:42:05):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:42:06):
Do we all go into the four horsemen come? Is
that all part of the same thing.

Speaker 2 (01:42:11):
There's a lot of fire though, isn't there fire in Brimstone?

Speaker 1 (01:42:14):
Oh? No, it's not a good thing. I mean, it's
a it's a I think I don't really understand. I don't.
I guess I don't know any of it. I I am.
I I just don't get it. I don't I'm saying
I don't get it.

Speaker 2 (01:42:26):
Some people say it's bad, some good. I don't know.
I don't think I'm really into it.

Speaker 1 (01:42:31):
We should get it? Can we get a rapture expert
on tomorrow.

Speaker 2 (01:42:34):
Man, you can find a rapture expert.

Speaker 1 (01:42:37):
Champagne Wi just says, don't worry, Mark, you're so screwed.

Speaker 2 (01:42:42):
We're not good. If anyone's like rising to the next realm,
that's not going to be us.

Speaker 1 (01:42:46):
Yeah, I got I don't know. I wow, good. What
is the rapture? Thank you Tony in the moment in
the twin clip and I at the last at the
last trump what, oh Trump? I think I think that's
a misspelling. I just found the first image them puts
Trump in at the last trumpet maybe for the trumpet

(01:43:07):
shall sound, and the dead shall be raised, incorruptible, and
we shall be changed. Yeah, that's the thing that I thought.
The dead are raised, right exactly.

Speaker 2 (01:43:16):
So wait a minute. All the people that are skeletons,
they all like, I don't know, are they Is it
their spirits?

Speaker 1 (01:43:21):
So they're flesh not All the believers get to leave.
The believers stay behind.

Speaker 2 (01:43:28):
I'm gonna stay back here.

Speaker 1 (01:43:29):
Says I have to get my Mark Thompson mug before
the rapture. Yes, I really think it's true. I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:43:37):
Oh, there you go. That's the news on the Mark
Thompson Show sponsored by Yeah, Coachella Valley Coffee makes the
Rapture taste so good. You know, you don't want to
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(01:43:58):
Chai tea which have the main and it for clarity
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Speaker 1 (01:44:05):
Yah.

Speaker 2 (01:44:07):
Maybe you could say it's almost like the Rapture in
a cup.

Speaker 1 (01:44:11):
Yeah, it's wow. I don't know if you want to.
I don't want to claim the Rapture in any way
on nice try. I don't know.

Speaker 7 (01:44:21):
I any someone did this to spoil our Christmas.

Speaker 1 (01:44:24):
It would spoil Christmas. That would suck.

Speaker 2 (01:44:27):
Yeah, Christmas is going to be a conner this year.

Speaker 1 (01:44:29):
I don't know. What can you tell us about the
scene about Christmas this year? Larry? With the rampture getting
in the way of Christmas, what can you tell us
about the scene comes back the dead or raised and
all the non believers are screwed. That's basically the bottom line.

Speaker 2 (01:44:49):
It's the Mark Thompson Show.

Speaker 1 (01:44:55):
You're a soul, that's right, the Mark Thompson Right.

Speaker 10 (01:45:02):
You are kissing my ass.

Speaker 1 (01:45:04):
Yeah, it is pretty special. I haven't been watching the chat,
so I'm kind of I always really increasingly count on Kim.
I don't like to do everything at the end of
the show, so here's a little something though. Toward the end,
Louise says happy birthday to the Mark Thompson Show legend
Trevor Starr.

Speaker 4 (01:45:21):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (01:45:22):
Is it Trevor's birthday today? Happy birthday, Trevor Star, best
wishes in good health, my friend. It's nice Louise and Trevor.
Hey who would know each other through the show? And
Louise with a shot out of the five dollars super Chat.
Thank you, Louise, John Dowie for a five dollars super chat. Well,
well you're killing it with that reddish shirt. Thank you

(01:45:43):
for it's not I guess it maybe is. It's kind
of a cabernet color, but thank you. Yeah, reddish, you
said it sort of. Mackay Khalil, Mackay missed y'all, We
missed you. Makai is an og from the old days,
isn't he, Kim Yeah, big shout out, big shout out, Mackai.
Thank you for the twenty dollars super chat and it

(01:46:05):
is great to have you in the mix. My friend,
thank you Richard delemator as an into it. He says
in a five dollars super chat, How am I supposed
to take all this crap? Every day there's a new
crisis which seems to put my head in a cranking vice.
Aliens help, He says, it is hard. It's hard, Richard.

(01:46:28):
I believe you have the necessary medications around you to
likely take the edge off. Chaplin Fred with a twenty
dollars super chat, Hi, Mark and Kim just wanted to
say that what Charlie Kirk did was to mix religious
values with political ideology. Charlie spoke words like biblical and moral,

(01:46:49):
that church and state need to come together. Interesting, you know,
you can argue that's a bad thing. Maybe you are
arguing that you know that, but obviously public policy and
government should be underpinned by those things that are shared values, right, morality.

(01:47:12):
I'd suggest to you you don't need religion to have
positive values, important values, shared values. You can have religion,
nothing wrong with it. I think religion can be a
tremendous as you know. I think it can bring coherence
to your life, It can bring an organization to your life,
It can bring a value to your life if you
want it, But if you don't want it, you can

(01:47:32):
have all of those things without it. So sometimes I
worry about the conflation of the two. And I think
we're in a period during which obviously there's a real
resurgence of religiosity and a religious fervor associated with politics
that that can be dangerous and scary. Trevor Starr in
Hollywood says, Mark, please have Bill Campbell by Gary a

(01:47:53):
new microphone. You know, I'll tell you. I listened back
to it. I think Gary sounds okay.

Speaker 3 (01:48:00):
He's loud, and there's nothing I can do about the moment.
I mean, if you saw there was a bit of
a muted him today, that was the moment I tried
to adjust the microphone.

Speaker 8 (01:48:08):
And it's either full full of bore.

Speaker 1 (01:48:10):
Or muted that I can't you know what, I can't
do anything about it. Then if I send him a mic,
I will show will buy him a mic. Would that
make a difference or is it the auto configuration?

Speaker 8 (01:48:21):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:48:22):
I don't know what he I think he's using probably
an iPad or I'm thinking I think he's probably using
the ear pods, And I think that's just all built into.

Speaker 1 (01:48:30):
It, like it's layers of crap. Essentially. I don't think
he's using the ear pods because he'd said better, it
wouldn't sound as cavernous. Yeah, it would.

Speaker 3 (01:48:37):
It would actually have more echo canceling.

Speaker 1 (01:48:38):
We get the echo canceling with that sometimes.

Speaker 3 (01:48:40):
Where you get like the click click click, click click,
that's the echo canceling.

Speaker 2 (01:48:43):
Yeah. I mean again, we're getting deep in the weeds
for the audience.

Speaker 1 (01:48:46):
But yeah, I have tried. That's true. You do have
to turn down Gary's Gary's when you're listening to to
turn down Gary.

Speaker 3 (01:48:52):
Then used and I used to be able to turn
him down, but now when I turn him down, it
just immediately mutes him instead.

Speaker 1 (01:48:58):
So that's what's happening. We're working. I don't know. We
got to talk. Yeah, A big shout out to Jennifer
Lentz a ten dollars super chat. Kimmel is back on
tomorrow night, she says, is that right? Tim return to
ABC on Tuesday after the show's controversial just mentioned.

Speaker 2 (01:49:17):
According to The Hollywood Reporter, Disney Company saying in a statement,
the move is made to avoid further inflaming a tense
situation at an emotional moment for our country. Maybe enough
people canceled their Disney Plus and called Disney to say,
how about free speech? People? You know?

Speaker 1 (01:49:33):
Wow? Oh I love Jimmy, so for me it's a
good good day. But I'm I am sick that he
had to go through all of this. He's so funny,
he's so smart, he's so wonderful. I just think he's
you know, I'm leaving aside all the politics, just all
the bits he does, Like when he brings some people on,
they bring three people on, Jimmy has to tell which
one is stoned. Like, I mean, it's got nothing to

(01:49:57):
do with politics. Okay. I just god, I love his
show and I hate that he's in the middle of
all this. Chaplin Fred with a five dollars super chest says,
Jesus comes in the clouds and dead Jesus comes on.
This is the rapture explanation. Jesus comes in the clouds
and the dead in christ rise first and then Christians.

(01:50:22):
So I'll see you later. Mark. Yeah, I guess there's
nothing for me.

Speaker 4 (01:50:29):
You get nothing.

Speaker 1 (01:50:30):
Can you replace LSD with Space? Alcohol? Talking about Hi wow,
says Richard Doleman. Yeah, he mentioned alcohol in Space professor
FRAKNOI said something about alcohol in space, Louis says to
the five dollar super chef. The New York Times reporting
that Jimmy Kimmel will be back Tuesday. Yeah, brought it provo,
Thank you. We'll find out. Is he full, Jimmy? I

(01:50:53):
don't know, Muriel asks Kimmy Kimmel's back, But is he
full Jimmy? Yeah, Muriel's in name. You don't hear much anymore,
you know what I mean? Yeah, Muriel, I like it.
I like it. It's kind of an old school name, Isn't
it weird how names go through like a you know,

(01:51:14):
like Max is like the name of the I feel
like a Max is the name of like twenty years ago,
and their whole bunch of adults now named Max and
in another twenty years. I mean, oh, Max, you must
have been born right around in the nineties or you
want to hear right or in the early two thousands
or whatever. Will Maca started living their faith, demonstrating it

(01:51:35):
by how they live, like Erica who forgave Tyler and
talking about Erica Kirk, the widow of Charlie Kirk who
forgave Tyler, the shooter who killed her husband, or will
they be Christians in name only like Trump hating their enemies.
Harry Magnan asked that with a ten dollars super chat.

(01:51:55):
Of course that is the you know, well there is
kim Well should channel Trump and double down big time,
go hard. Jimmy, what do they gotta do? Fire you again?
Says ah cc rider. I don't know it is he's

(01:52:16):
in touch at such a tough spot. But if anybody
can handle it, it's it's Jimmy Kimmel. You know. So,
I've only got a couple of minutes left, and I
really wanted to get to something. I think it's really important,
and it's it's tough because there's there are a few
things going on. What we don't get to today, I
will get to tomorrow. I think you have it under no. Well,

(01:52:42):
I want to get to that too, But I really
wanted to touch on that that freedom of speech thing.
I just see, Uh here's here's specifically what I mean,
the new clamp down on the press and on media.

(01:53:02):
It's a super scary thing and it can't be countenanced
by any part of this society or political culture. You
even find Ted Cruz defending free speech and talking about
how it's wrong to clamp down on free speech. Charlie
Kirk was a free speech guy. But anyway, when we

(01:53:24):
get to the press, the new restrictions on press freedoms
within the world of reporting on the White House and government,
they're insane. This is right out of an autocracy. The
Pentagon now stepping up media restrictions, requiring approval before reporting
even unclassified information will require Pentagon approval. They have asked journalists,

(01:53:53):
and when I say asked, I mean they're going to
require journalists to sign a pledge not to report on
information that has not been authorized by the government. This
is autocracy. It will require credential journalists will the Pentagon
at the military headquarters there in Virginia to sign a

(01:54:15):
pledge to refrain from reporting information that has not been
authorized for release, including unclassified information. Journalists who don't abide
by this policy risk losing credentials that provide access to
the Pentagon. It's a seventeen page memorandum distributed Friday, and

(01:54:36):
it steps up media restrictions imposed by this president's administration.

Speaker 2 (01:54:42):
So does that mean you can only report what we
tell you to report?

Speaker 1 (01:54:45):
Exactly? Oh, exactly. So you've become now an arm of
the government, of the dictatorship. If the news about our
military must first be approved by the government, then the
public is no longer getting independent reporting, getting what officials
want them to see. That's from the National Press Club
President Mike Balsamo. That should alarm every American. That's why

(01:55:08):
I agree with him. I want to make sure we
got into the show today. Hegsith says, no more permission
to roam the halls. Oh, he says. Quote, the press
does not run the Pentagon. The people do. The press
is no longer allowed to roam the halls of a
secure facility. Wear a badge and follow the rules or
go home. He says, Dude, the press is the people.

(01:55:34):
So when you say the press doesn't run the Pentagon,
the people do. The press aren't asking to run the Pentagon.
They're asking to report objectively on the Pentagon.

Speaker 2 (01:55:44):
How far he's come from the weekend news desk.

Speaker 1 (01:55:47):
He's an embarrassment. And speaking of embarrassments, you know he's
been part of them. Right. So the Jeffrey Goldberg Atlantic
thing where he was folded into that signal messaging app
where Pete Hegseeth was discussing plans for upcoming military strikes
in Yemen. I mean, Mike Waltz took the hit for that, right,

(01:56:13):
They got rid of him over that. But then there
was a leak about Elon Musk getting a briefing on
the US plans in case a war broke out with China.
Remember DoD was embarrassed by that leak. He suspended two
Pentagon officials. Heggsit there as part of the investigation and

(01:56:35):
how that news got out about the Musk briefing. So
this is big time. This is absolutely big time. Pete
Haggsas should resign. He's an embarrassment, but he's not going
to because he's got that you know, square jaw good
on TV kind of thing that Donald Trump likes. But

(01:56:56):
it's absolutely outrageous. And Trump himself saying that free speech
is really illegal when it is too negative about him.
Donald Trump, he reimagined the definition of free speech. He's
made these comments. On Friday when we got off the air,

(01:57:19):
he said that too much bad coverage about him is
really illegal. Trump, when asked about Reuter's Jeff Mason in
the Oval Office, if he sees he's asked by Reuter's
Jeff Mason in the Oval office. This is from of Paul.
I guess if he sees a difference between cancel culture
and consequence culture. It claimed to be a very strong

(01:57:42):
person for free speech. That's a quote. Then he said
that ninety four to ninety seven percent of newscasts are
against him. The stories are they said, ninety seven percent bad.
This is a quote. He went on. So they gave
me ninety seven they'll take a great story and they'll
make it bad. See. I think that's really illegal personally.

(01:58:04):
And he vowed to immediately stop all government censorship and
bring back free speech to America in his inaugural address
back in January. But obviously this fives in the face
of that. Again, when somebody has given ninety seven percent
of the stories that are bad about a person, that's
no longer free speech, that's no longer anything. That's just cheating,
he said. They continue to cheat, and they become really

(01:58:26):
members of the Democratic National Committee. That's where they are.
The networks. In my opinion, they're just offshoots of the
Democratic National Committee. Just as an aside, the ninety seven
percent bad publicy, I don't even know what that is.
Those are just made up figures. Obviously, the whole story
is made up, but that clamping down is real and

(01:58:46):
it's just begun. And this is a scary part of
this president's reign on America and over America and over government.
And now quickly, the annual fee for H one B
visas it's going to be one hundred thousand dollars. This

(01:59:07):
is for highly skilled foreign workers. And the administration is
saying they want one hundred thousand dollars annual visa fee
for highly skilled foreign workers. They also rolled out this
one million dollar gold card visas a pathway to US
citizenship for wealthy individuals. If the moves survive the kind

(01:59:29):
of legal scrutiny that they'll undergo, they will deliver a
staggering price for working in this country. The visa fee
for skilled workers would jump from anybody now two hundred
and fifteen dollars to one hundred thousand dollars. Wow, I
mean there are a ton of skilled workers in Silicon Valley.

(01:59:51):
The AI world would be thrown on its side. We're
going to talk about AI later in the week because
there is a real issue. There are only so many
of these people to go around, you know, there's not
a limitless pipeline of skilled workers. And the idea that
you can have a chilling effect on Silicon Valley and

(02:00:12):
AI and these companies' abilities to hire foreign workers, or
these foreign workers' abilities to provide the money to work
in this country, you're going to end up losing them
to China, for start, iss you just lose them to
other markets. H one B visas, which require at least
a bachelor's degree, are meant for high skilled jobs that

(02:00:33):
tech companies find difficult to fill. It's a pipeline for
overseas workers who are often willing to work for as
little as sixty thousand dollars annually, well below the one
hundred thousand dollars plus salaries typically paid to US technology workers.
Trump saying that the tech industry will likely not oppose

(02:00:53):
the move. Howard Lutnik said all big companies are on board.
Representatives for the biggest tech companies, including Amazon, Apple, Google,
and Meta, didn't comment. Lutnik did say that the change
will likely result in far fewer H one B visas
than the eighty five thousand annual cap allows because it's

(02:01:15):
just not economic anymore. And that's a quote, and so
you end up with things being more expensive, maybe more
Americans being employed, but as I say, you'll lose a
huge number of workers to competitive markets. We'll see how
that it all plays out. I saw reports that Jimmy

(02:01:38):
Kimmel did not want to come back, says Rocket Reindeer,
because his bosses didn't stand up for him. I hope
he sticks it to the man even more Mike and Willow.
Glenn says there's a great deal of abuse in that
visa program. Lutnick's shame on you, says Gordon. And what
about the small companies, asked John Watson. Yeah, it's again

(02:02:05):
it's a policy that is protectionist. I guess you'd call it.
You know, the idea is to employ more Americans. We'll
see how it works out. But Silicon Valley and many
companies adjacent it was a big part of their world.
So tomorrow we'll talk about Charlie Kushner and his criticism

(02:02:34):
of France. We have a lot on the docket for
tomorrow with David K. Johnston as well. What else do
I have tomorrow?

Speaker 2 (02:02:42):
Oh, tomorrow you have not only David K. Johnston, but
also Jacob Ward from the Rip Current.

Speaker 1 (02:02:49):
Oh yeah, he's he's going to be good. We're rolling
the dice with him a little bit. I think it'd
be really good. West Theory says I hope Mark infess
I'm going to talk about today with nothing going on
in the news. That must have been an early that
must have an early comment. Sorry we didn't. I didn't
get a chance to. I'm oh, Karen says, my son

(02:03:10):
is on the spectrum. This makes me extremely angry, this
tilotoll thing. Yeah, the White House Ballroom is being financed
by bribe, says Jim now Grenwell, there's a lot being
financed by brobs these days. I mean most days in
Washington there's bribery going on. But this is definitely, you know,
upping the Annie. Looking forward to seeing Green Day headline

(02:03:33):
the Ohana Festival Sunday. Don't think our East Bay boys
will let up on Trump and pals hashtag Bay Area pride.
That's from Louis right. Well, I just got here before
I realized it was here. At the end of the show,
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (02:03:52):
Are you not ready to go?

Speaker 1 (02:03:54):
I'm not. I mean, I don't know. I wasn't ready
to start, and I'm not ready to go. So I
guess that's just one of those days. Appreciate everybody who
helps and shares the show. Maybe share the conversation with
Dietrich or with Andy Fracknoy. You can find links to
Andrew Fracknoy's work, his coursework, signing up his books, everything.
Tony will put them in the descriptions on YouTube and

(02:04:17):
they'll likely make it over in the description. If it's there,
they'll likely make it over into the podcast world. If
you're listening on Apple podcasts, on Google podcasts, on Spotify,
or on iHeartRadio. Tomorrow the great David Kay Johnston and
who again.

Speaker 2 (02:04:36):
From the Rip Current is Jacob.

Speaker 1 (02:04:39):
Warta Ward Yeah Johnson Show, I call him Jacob all right?
That is a byebye, Thanks everybody, Thanks Tony, Thanks Kim,
Bye Bah

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