No Trial, No Exit: New Trump Era ICE Rules Designed to Disappear Immigrants 7/15/25

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Oh, I know, I know, I know. I'm delighted as well.
We are all out of hair and makeup, and it's
a pleasure to be with you all. It's a live
show and it's affected by live events, and we love
that you're with us live. In the chat, we try
to include the chat.

Speaker 2 (00:19):
Along the way.

Speaker 1 (00:20):
I am live, Kim is live, how are you? Tony
is live? And that's everybody here this morning. It's still morning,
late morning on the West coast, on the East coast.
Shout out to my East coaster and wherever you're joining us,
thank you for being here. Most people actually don't join

(00:40):
us live, they listen or watch the show after the fact,
and we again shout out to all of you. I'm
excited to have David Kate Johnston rejoining us in our
two Today should be a lot to talk about, everything
from the Epstein case to the new policy on immigrants

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being held without any chance to seek freedom awaiting a
jurisprudence that is slow often so. In other words, that
could be an American custody for months or even years.
We'll talk to David about that. Also, I really do
want to get to the Epstein thing because it seems

(01:23):
to be a seismic in its political impact, at least
right now. But it is possible that by the time
the midterms roll around, which is sort of what everybody's
looking at, is how this is going to affect magination
with the midterms coming up? And might this have the
staying power the half life it? Might this stink still
be around all of this, Might MAGA be so disappointed

(01:44):
as a voting block with these guys who promise so
much and are delivering so little. Maybe it will affect
the midterm elections. We'll talk to David about that. I
will get into some Epstein stuff. I have some Dershowitz
to share with you. Dershowitz, of course a lawyer for Epstein,
a close associate of Epstein's, and he's open about that

(02:08):
fact and he's been in the Blender about it too.
But we'll share some of that with you. Also a
special conversation about healthcare. You know, in the rugby scrum
of stuff we've talked about, there's just so much. There's Epstein,
there's Russia Ukraine, which we will touch on, and there
is of course the agenda of Project twenty twenty five,

(02:33):
which includes these mass deportations. The dismantling of government, the
complete dismantling and discharging of those associated with the Department
of Education, the reconstitution of the Justice Department, the firing
of a bunch of lawyers at the Justice Department, the
resignation of thirty lawyers at the Justice Department who say,

(02:55):
we just can't do this anymore. We're not going to
be put in a position where we're having to defend
or pursue any kind of judicial process that is really
illegal and unconstitutional. That's happening at the Justice Department now.
And of course Pam Bondi firing the top ethics official
at the Justice Department.

Speaker 3 (03:17):
And so unnecessary. She doesn't need ethics.

Speaker 1 (03:19):
Come on, yeah, I guess ethics area. There's such a
twenty twenty thing, you know. Anyway, in all of that,
you could lose the healthcare problem, which continues to really
be an issue, especially in this big ugly bill that
they passed. There is a sapping of Medicaid money. There's

(03:42):
really slashing of moneies that support rural hospitals. And we
have a doctor from a rural Michigan hospital with us
today and he's not just any doctor, he's someone who
really knows this territory well. He's an activist the Committee
to Protect Healthcare. He's executive director. Doctor Rob Davidson will

(04:02):
be here bottom of the hour, and you may recognize
him because he's been a vocal advocate for healthcare. He
was vocal against the RFK Junior appointment, and so now
that RFK Junior is running HHS, it'll be interesting to
talk to doctor Davidson about that. So all of that

(04:23):
is happening, I'm going to get into it right away, Kim.
Unless you have some reason that I shouldn't, I do not.

Speaker 3 (04:29):
Please proceed.

Speaker 1 (04:30):
How are you all right? The procession shall begin. Mark
Thompson show. I want to shout out to the east coast,
New York City and New Jersey being inundated by rain.
This flooding that Tony is showing to you now is
pretty amazing. At least two have been killed because of

(04:54):
this heavy rain that has hit the New York region.
Flash flood warnings issued for parts of New York, Pennsylvania,
Emergency declared in New Jersey. These heavy rains have produced
floodwaters that are sweeping parts of Jersey, New York, and Pennsylvania.

(05:14):
New Jersey's Governor Phil Murphy declaring a state of emergency
because of flash flooding and a heavy rainfall, telling people
to stay indoors. One area North Plainfield, New Jersey, a
house caught on fire collapsed, maybe because of an explosion there.
The family inside had evacuated. New York City again, subway

(05:37):
service temporarily suspended in some places, while other lines were
running with severe delays because of the flooding. So the
MTA is trying to deal with it in New York.
But you can see the water making it on to
subway platforms and even onto subway cars.

Speaker 3 (05:56):
That's pretty scary.

Speaker 1 (05:57):
Yeah, it's per scary. It is not completely without precedent.
But they say this is the second greatest amount of
rain in the span of a single hour ever recorded
in New York City. There is more than two inches

(06:18):
of rain that fell on Central Park. And so that
is what's happening in the eastern seaboards. Oh, you had
some audio there. I don't know what we can use
what we can, but you can see all the rich
pictures that are coming out of the East, and they
tell a really nasty story.

Speaker 4 (06:41):
If I was on a subway train and the water
was rising in the station like that. That's so scary.
I don't know what the protocol is for opening the
doors or how you get out, and whether the station
is safe and you're underground.

Speaker 3 (06:53):
This is yeah, what a nightmare.

Speaker 1 (06:56):
The drivers of these trains are used to some of
the flu water is coming into you know. Again, the
subway is the subway, right, it's subterranean, so they are
used to there being water draining into some of these systems.
They are designed to drain out, but obviously if they're
inundated by too much water, then the drain can't work

(07:17):
quickly enough and so you do end up with some
of these situations that typically I think the drivers are
dealing with because they've been trained to deal with it.
But again, these extreme weather events are stressing even those
who are trained to deal with it in ways that
they haven't been stressed before. So it's a it's pretty brutal.

(07:37):
It's pretty wild to watch that subway car flood, and
if you're not watching or just listening, it's the water
that is all over the subway car floor. So when
we say flood, it's not like the water rows all
the way like you know, people are but people are
sitting on there, you know, on their right exactly the

(07:58):
tick up your backpack under their seats that they're not
in the water. But it's you know, this exists at
the same time, these more extreme climate related weather events
exist at the same time that, as you know, the
current administration has completely dry cleaned all government websites of
any reference to climate change. And as you're also aware,

(08:22):
probably the current administration has completely scotched, that is, deleted
the coming climate appraisal that was put together by Noah
by our government. The Trump administration says, we don't want it.
We don't want it, don't publish it. We're going to
bury it. And that's what they've done. Nothing to see here.

(08:45):
It's kind of like the Epstein files of climate. Yeah,
so that is the latest from the East Coast, and
we hope everybody is safe, obviously, and that things return
to a semi normal state soon Mark Thompson's show. And
as we do that, we also keep an eye on

(09:06):
this remarkable change for undocumented immigrants who are rounded up
by ICE. A memo from the Department of Homeland Security
instructing officers to hold immigrants who entered the country illegally.

(09:27):
Quote for the duration of their removal proceedings that could
take months or years. They are saying now that those
who have been detained are no longer eligible for a
bond hearing, so as they fight the legal, legally permitted

(09:48):
fight to fight their deportations in court, they are not
going to be allowed out of detention.

Speaker 3 (10:01):
Wait a minute, for how long for the duration.

Speaker 1 (10:04):
Of their removal proceedings? So that really lost for years? Yeah?

Speaker 4 (10:08):
So do we have enough space to put millions of
people in detention for years?

Speaker 1 (10:12):
That's why they have supercharged the dhs ICE budget to
allow for more beds, more space. But they build a
kind of incarceration community in America, and they're building it
in such a big way that it really I think

(10:34):
it's it's crazy. I mean, I think it's crazy because
most of these people are they're no threat to society.
You know, you keep people in custody who are a
threat to society. These people aren't a threat to society.
They're looking for day work at home depot. I mean, really,
the lion's share of the people detained fall into that category.
They're picked up at a high school graduation. Are you

(10:55):
kidding me? Those are the people you want in detention.
It's obscene, it's ridiculous. It takes this bumper sticker kind
of political policy, and it takes it to an absurd level.
In the past, immigrants residing in the US interior generally

(11:15):
have been allowed to request a bond hearing before an
immigration judge. That's where they decide is this person eligible
for bond? But the Trump administration's Department of Homeland Security
has now revisited this is a quote, revisited its legal
position on detention and release authorities and determined that such

(11:36):
immigrants may not be released from ice custody. In rare exceptions,
immigrants may be released on parole, but that decision will
be up to an immigration officer, not a judge.

Speaker 3 (11:47):
Wow, are you kidding me?

Speaker 1 (11:50):
That is the wild West. So the immigration officer decides your.

Speaker 4 (11:57):
Fate, an officer beholden to the Trump administration, not a
fair and impartial judge.

Speaker 1 (12:06):
The provision is based on a section that they found
of immigration law that says unauthorized immigrants quote shall be
detained after their arrest. But that's historically applied to those
who just crossed the border, not longtime residents who've been
here for decades. Working in various jobs and again show
not only that there are no threat to society, but

(12:27):
they're actually productive members of society paying taxes. The ripple
effects of this are going to be substantial. You're essentially
deporting the American workforce and people who are working earnestly
to make money and send back to Mexico, Guatemala, Honduras, etc.
And those are just the Latinos who are clearly being targeted.

(12:52):
So this new detention policy comes days after Congress and
that spending package. It's forty five billion dollars over the
next four years to lock up immigrants for civil deportation proceedings.
So that's going to allow ICE to double the nation's
immigrant detention capacity to one hundred thousand people a day. Hey,
they are serious about this. They said they were going

(13:12):
to do it, and they are. I think it's being
done wantonly recklessly and without regard to the repercussions. But
this is where we are now in America. We'll get
David K. Johnston to weigh in on this when he
joins US. I wanted to also get to the gift

(13:36):
that keeps on giving, and that is the Epstein Files.
Mark Thompson show. When David K. Johnston gets here, I
will ask him about the Epstein files, primarily because they've
become such a politically important thing. In addition to whatever
substance of aspects there are about the Epstein files, you know,
that is to say, was their collusion, what's involved? Was

(13:57):
Epstein a spy? Were they're powerful people involved? And so
these are why the cover up and why the about
face by the current administration. And we'll ask him about that.
But I wanted to touch on it here because there
has been a lot here and it's funny. Rocanna has

(14:18):
actually pushed for the House to release the Epstein files.
In other words, Democrats are demanding now that Republicans release
the remaining Epstein files, trying to put the GOP on
the spot. Right, You guys said you were going to
be so transparent. You said it was all about Democrats,

(14:38):
and Democrats were literally in bed with Jeffrey Epstein, and
all this bad stuff was happening with Jeffrey Epstein. It
involved all these high profile people from you know, Bill
Clinton to large donors. Okay, let's see it. We'll actually
push through an amendment. Rocanna is sponsoring the amendment that

(14:59):
would force AG vote on pushing Attorney General Pam Bondi
to release the remaining case files on Jeffrey Epstein. Why
are the Epstein files still a hidden Rokanna said, who
are the rich and powerful being protected? A vote would
quote put every Congress member on record about making the

(15:20):
files public. So that's the first sign I've seen that
the Democrats are using this politically. Meantime, the Trump position
on the Epstein files, as you know, has become oh,
nothing to see here. I don't even know why we're

(15:42):
still talking about this, but there is now pressure from
Donald Trump toward those influencers like Charlie Kirk, you know,
the big maga parade heads, to get off of this thing,
and many of them, some high profile like Charlie Kirk,

(16:03):
are trying to get off of it, trying to move
the conversation beyond this Epstein thing. So that's a sign
I'd say that Trump sees how damaging this is, and
on an ongoing basis, how damaging it might be, and
he's trying hard to best he can leverage his political

(16:23):
currency to move the conversation along. Tony, I sent you
a couple of things on this that I think are
pretty good. One is the last thing I just sent you.
This speaks to what I just said about Trump trying
to move the conversation along and the political half life

(16:45):
that this might have. Can you play a little bit
of that. This is Agains this New York Times reporter
on this, and this kind of speaks to what I
was saying. The politics of this is interesting, the Epstein
file and leaving aside the heinous acts and the trafficking
of women and all that sort of thing, but just
a political impact and trying to move past it, which
is what Trump is trying to do. Here's a little
bit from this morning.

Speaker 4 (17:06):
And this is because folks like Charlie Kirker now saying, hey,
let this go.

Speaker 3 (17:11):
Our true believer is.

Speaker 1 (17:11):
Going to do it.

Speaker 5 (17:13):
So this is a moment of sincere political urgency for Trump.
Back in twenty twenty one, his lead polster Tony Fabricio
did a survey of the Republican electorate and found that
there were a full ten percent of the Republican voters
who said that they believed in QAnon conspiracy theories. So

(17:35):
the political fallout potential here is very real. That's why
the White House has and President Trump himself have been
leaning on conservative influencers like Charlie Kirk. The fact that
Denis Desuza, you know, who has fanned so many outrageous
lies about the stolen election about Obama's birth certificate, He's saying.

Speaker 6 (17:56):
Back off this.

Speaker 5 (17:57):
That really shows you that the influencer are falling in line.
That doesn't mean, however, happened, Well, exactly, it happens because
a very angry president of the United States gets on
the phone and yells at you, or people from the
White House really turn up the heat, which we know
is exactly what's happening in this case. But that doesn't

(18:18):
mean that the average voter, the mega moms and dads,
are just going to forget and move on because for
years they were told elect Trump, elect mega Republicans, and
we won't lie to you. We will get to the
bottom of all of these cover ups that have disenfranchised you,
that have put these powerful people in positions to abuse

(18:40):
their authority and to you know, do the most egregious,
unimaginable things possible, like sexually abuse children, and now they're
being told just to forget it and move on. I
don't think it's that simple. But as president Trump has
always done. He will find somebody else to blame for this,
and already you're seeing Pambondy being thrown under the bus.

(19:04):
Dan Bongino is making noise. You know, I don't know
that Trump is ready to fire anybody yet. That's you know,
from what I'm told, he's very concerned about even getting
somebody to replace Pam BONDI confirmed through the Senate. So
we'll just see what else happens in the next few weeks.

Speaker 1 (19:19):
Very good, Thank you that. I thought that last part
was particularly instructive, because that last part is what we know.
We know that Trump does the dance where he'll blame somebody.
We know that. Politically, I would suggest I disagree with
him a bit. I think Magnation can forget. They're really
good at forgetting, and that's the way cults work. And

(19:42):
there again he was sort of making a distinction that
those in the cult of Maga they may not forget,
but it's the people on the edges who feel like
it's been an US versus them thing, and US, now
when we get in there, we're going to be transparent.
But it turns out the US is them. Every Budi's them,
that this government here comes the new boss, same as

(20:03):
the old boss type thing, and so on some level,
I think they can forget, but it will be an
effort to make them forget. Anyway. We'll talk more about
the Epstein situation. Also have the Dershowitz stuff that I
want to share with you as we continue, and we'll
talk to David K. Johnson an hour or two about
that As a wells, I'm excited to talk to this guy.

(20:28):
He is He's a real He's the real thing when
it comes to activism around healthcare in America. He really
has been at the forefront of so much. He's executive
director of the Committee to Protect Healthcare. He is himself
an emergency physician in West Michigan. And they talk about
rural hospitals being affected by the cutbacks and Medicaid. We've

(20:49):
talked about it quite a bit on this show. This
is one of those rural hospitals, and Rob Davidson knows
these rural hospitals, but he's actually worked in one. Doctor
Rob Davidson, Heloser, thanks for having me, of course, I'm
really anxious to talk to you about so many things.
I know will be limited a bit in time, but

(21:09):
I'll get right into it. And I say so many
things because I think the state of healthcare in America
is just being threatened in so many ways. I'll get
to this big, ugly bill that affects these the hospitals,
and affects Medicaid support and so many who need desperately
to be supported by government assistants in one way or

(21:29):
another when it comes to healthcare. But I wanted to
you were really active prior to rfk's confirmation, and you know,
you made points passionately and sensibly about who this guy is.
As you've seen HHS and NIH coalesce now around this guy.
I wonder if you could just speak to that.

Speaker 6 (21:49):
Yeah, it's as bad as we all imagined.

Speaker 7 (21:51):
I mean, our organization had twenty two thousand plus doctors
sign on to a letter nationally urging the Senate not
to push this through, urging Senator Cassidy. Unfortunately, he was
given assurances and voted YEA and others followed suit. Now
we're hearing because of those assurances, and and it's all
come to fruition what we talked about, and probably then

(22:12):
some you know this, this guy fired the entire vaccine
Advisory Panel for the CDC because of complex of interest.
So he said the same day installed eight people to
replace the seventeen, and one of those eight had to
resign because they alone had more conflicts of interest than
the seventeen combined. I mean that just sort of sums

(22:33):
it up. He's you know, continued to so mistrust about
vaccines and then just the grift with this guy. I mean,
one little little nugget, one little quote from an appropriations
committee testimony.

Speaker 6 (22:49):
That he gave was about wearables.

Speaker 7 (22:51):
Okay, so we're you know, like like sports watches, but
glucose monitors. Okay, for people diabetes, these are critically important.
Right when do I get my self insulin? When am
I heading for a crisis? But there are some in
the wellness space who are pushing these glucose monitors for
just everyday folks, Like somehow you should know, you know,
what your sugar is. It turns out the woman that

(23:12):
he appointed, or that he has helped to get appointed
as a surgeon general has a company that made five
point one million in profits selling glucose monitors in twenty
twenty three alone. Like you can't make this stuff up.
And you know, meanwhile, seventeen million people are going to
lose healthcare because of this bill. He said almost nothing
to say about that, except just yesterday and Fox Business

(23:33):
he said, well, they're not actually cuts, even though they
are cuts. He's talking about wearables. You know, if you
learn your sugar's high or sugar's low and you don't
have insurance, what the hell are you gonna do about it?

Speaker 6 (23:43):
You know, I don't know. I don't know if he knows,
but somebody's going to get rich off and pushing this stuff.

Speaker 1 (23:48):
That's such a good point. I mean, the point that
you know, this information is great, but if you have
no there's no action plan, and no way to pay
for it, then you know, what's it good for? Is
this the beginning of I don't want to overstate it,
but I feel as though it's the beginning of a
healthcare collapse, or at least that's a defensible position at

(24:09):
this point as you watch all of these different fronts
that you described.

Speaker 6 (24:14):
Yeah, I don't think it's alarmist to be saying that.

Speaker 7 (24:17):
I don't think it's hyperbole to say that, But I mean,
the beginning of the collapse probably started under Reagan, you know,
with privatizing so many systems in healthcare, you know, we
now have Medicare. Over fifty percent of Medicare recipients get
privatized Medicare under Medicare advantage, right, big insurance companies making
billions of dollars off of us as taxpayers paying into Medicare,

(24:41):
and then Medicare doling out twenty percent more per person
on average for people in these plans, and then when
they need healthcare, it's they can't afford it. It's more extensive, right.
These these plans give them, you know, gym memberships, and
yet when they're actually hospitalized or they need a test
or medication, there are no where to be found.

Speaker 1 (25:00):
There's Medicare advantage. Really something of a scam, Doctor Rob Davidson.

Speaker 6 (25:05):
Yeah, it's a total scam.

Speaker 7 (25:06):
And we've all been warning that, you know, Republicans want
to privatize Medicare, and we kind of have those arguments
around that notion. And the reality is Medicare has already
privatized more than fifty percent. It's a big scam because
again it's the transfer of taxpayer dollars. Every single dollar
you earn, you know, in earnings, not dividends, right, not

(25:27):
not past their income, not the money that you know,
Jeff Bezos is making the mooddy that you and I
are making, and regular folks are making every single dollar
of that is tax you know, total for total of
about three percent goes into goes into Medicare, and they're
doling out those dollars to places like United Healthcare and
Signa and other for profit entities that are just rape

(25:48):
raking in the profits.

Speaker 1 (25:50):
Yeah. I mean, it's so consistent with everything that, as
you say, it's been in the works for decades, the
privatization of so much. Now it just seems to be
supercharged with the control of go complete and the Congress,
I'd say, the GOP completely in the thrall of or
in fear of the Chief Executive, and so they've been

(26:11):
able to push it through at a pretty intense pace.
And so we get to that big, ugly bill that
undercuts Medicaid completely that you know SAPs these places, and
you're very familiar with these places. These rural hospitals are
talked about because they are on the front lines. I
was making the point and correct me if I'm wrong
that it's not just that Medicaid patients get their bills paid,

(26:35):
it's that the hospitals themselves depend on revenue coming from
Medicaid on some level to remain open.

Speaker 6 (26:42):
Absolutely, that's how medicaid works. It's insurance.

Speaker 7 (26:44):
You know, the tropes we're hearing from folks on the
right of someone, you know, a twenty nine year old
sitting in their parents' basement playing video games collecting medicaid.
You know, unless this person has a little clinic down
there and they're seeing patients. They're not getting anything for
medicaid by playing video games. Now, if that person d
up having appendicitis and they can avoid having a ruptured appendix,
you know, and if they're a woman having infertility later

(27:05):
in life or if not, if you know, getting septic, yeah,
Medicaid would pay for that hospital. But we wanted to, right,
We want people to have affordablek care, at least some
of us do. And so that's what taking away medicaid does.
It takes away those revenues from hospitals that disproportionately depend
on people on Medicaid because people in those communities at

(27:26):
a higher rate have Medicaid than they do in you know,
suburban communities, even though so many of them have voted
for the very people who voted for this legislation and
the president who signed it. I mean, the place I work,
about seventy percent supported Donald Trump. And yet you know
a third of the patients that come in our doors
are Medicaid recipients. Forty percent of the people having babies

(27:47):
in the labor delivery unit. We had our chief of
vob came down just about a month ago as this
was all being discussed in Congress and said, I don't
know how we possibly stay open to the extent that
we are currently open and offering service is if this
thing goes through, because those those revenues, those resources, they
don't just go away for people and Medicaid, they go

(28:07):
away for the whole system.

Speaker 6 (28:09):
And then everybody in that.

Speaker 7 (28:10):
Community, even the sixty percent not getting Medicaid having babies
in those LND units, they don't have a place to
go either.

Speaker 1 (28:17):
I don't mean to drag you into the politics of it,
but by the same token, you just referenced the fact
that so many of the patients that you see are
supporters of this president on the MAGA movement, which is
the reason they're going to lose their Medicaid. Can you
speak to that and that disconnect at least as you've

(28:38):
sort of observed it.

Speaker 7 (28:40):
Yeah, I mean it's very much a disconnect. And let's
let's be real, the movement to take healthcare away from folks,
this is.

Speaker 6 (28:45):
Really not magga. This is a Republican fever dream for decades,
right since.

Speaker 7 (28:50):
Before Reagan, probably certainly when I had a conversation with
Mike Pinson a diner in Iowa about Medicaid.

Speaker 1 (28:55):
We found that. Yeah, run that run do you have it, Tony, run?
This is what is doctor Rob Davidson. This is Mike
Pence when he was vice president, and uh, you basically
lay it out to him. We'll just run a couple
of seconds of it. But it speaks to how you've
been on the beat for a long time and how
this has been an issue for a long time. Go ahead, Tony, Hey.

Speaker 6 (29:17):
Gentlemen, Davidson he's on. They're OPTA. I'm Joel Joe. So
I'm doctor.

Speaker 7 (29:26):
I'm worried about the plans they talked about last week
of maybe cutting Medicare and then the rollout today of
cutting Medicaid.

Speaker 8 (29:32):
I'm working, working when one of.

Speaker 7 (29:35):
The Chorus counties in Michigan and my patients depending on
expanded Medicaid.

Speaker 6 (29:38):
So how is that going to affect my patients? Yeah? Uh,
plann'd about cutting medicaid.

Speaker 9 (29:46):
Yeah, the the the head of.

Speaker 7 (29:49):
CMS announced the the plan to let staatey fout for waters,
so making your block grand So that would essentially cut
the amount of money going.

Speaker 6 (29:57):
To the states. So cut federal Medicaid funding. Is that
a good idea?

Speaker 10 (30:02):
Actually, when I was going over into Youana, we got
away from the Obama administuation, actually a lot to expand
medical coverage in the States anymore.

Speaker 1 (30:12):
So I don't know if people can hear this very well.
A lot of people are just listening, but you really
call them out and you talk about but as you
were saying, that was just again another planned body blow.

Speaker 6 (30:25):
Yeah, yeah, block.

Speaker 7 (30:26):
Grants were away, they could cap funding it a certain
amount and then states would just have to fend for themselves.

Speaker 1 (30:31):
You know.

Speaker 6 (30:32):
That was right before COVID. That was the end of
January twenty twenty.

Speaker 7 (30:36):
I didn't predict what could happen. But during COVID, so
many people are out of work, so many people needed healthcare.
Medicare went from seven or Medicaid went from seventy million
to nearly one hundred million. People on Medicaid temporarily and
with a block grant system of a fixed dollar amount
from the SPED States couldn't do that. People would have
been left hung out to dry. And so yeah, this

(30:56):
is something they've been working on. Now, why people, particularly
in the communities like where I work, you know, would
vote against their interests. I hear that a lot. I
have great compassion to these folks. I mean, there are
people I've been serving for twenty some odd years, you know,
like hard working people who care about their neighbors in
their community, who I honestly think just don't know that
this is what they're doing.

Speaker 1 (31:18):
Right.

Speaker 7 (31:18):
They're very engaged on a lot of social issues and
social media where the algorithms just stoked anger and division,
and so that anger drives people to vote in a
certain way. And then you know, if you go on
Fox News, now, all you hear about is how these
aren't cuts, right. You hear RFK Junior talking about it.
You hear doctor Oz telling people well, if you just

(31:40):
don't eat care cake and take care of yourselves, you
won't you won't need the healthcare. This really won't come
to pass, or or or others telling them, well, we're
going to transfer people from medicaid to jobs, right, jobs
that we know don't pay enough often don't give health care.
You know, folks at Walmart, folks at Amazon, and huge
numbers are on medicaid because they have jobs where they

(32:01):
can't get affordable healthcare. So it's tough for people, don't know,
and we need to communicate with those folks for sure,
and we do.

Speaker 6 (32:09):
You know, we are as an organization, and I know
a lot of advocates do as well.

Speaker 1 (32:13):
Well, that's really the beauty of the work you do
is the advocacy. And it's thankless, and I think it's
sort of frankly limitless in the demands. That is to say,
as you've pointed out, decade after decade we've seen this happen.
It's been this kind of privatization creep that has taken over,

(32:34):
and now we're seeing the effects of that in a
big way. And I'm wondering, just on that point if
you can speak to sort of an action plan from
this point forward.

Speaker 7 (32:46):
Yeah, I mean, honestly, all eyes are turning to the
mid terms in twenty twenty six.

Speaker 1 (32:51):
Right.

Speaker 7 (32:51):
I'm happy to get political because these guys make it
political when they take these votes against the entrance of
their constituents, who you know, in November twenty six become
their voters. And so I think it's incredibly important that
in places across the country, including Michigan seventh District, Tom
Barrett and Lansing, the Republican first term who voted for

(33:13):
these cuts. We had a press conference there right before
they took this vote, and I spoke and it ran
in local media, and someone on the janitorial staff came
up to me in the hospital about four days later said, hey, Doc,
thanks so much for your speech the other day.

Speaker 6 (33:26):
It really meant a lot.

Speaker 7 (33:28):
So when you say it's thankless, I would say it's
extremely rewarding because people hear it, and when they hear
it from people in their community, physicians in particular, that
they know that they trust, and they hear the impacts
of these votes, it sinks home. People kind of gain
a bit more of an understanding. And if we can
continue to now hold these folks accountable that took this

(33:50):
terrible vote and took away health care from so many people,
I think that honestly has to be the game plan
from now for the next sixteen months.

Speaker 1 (34:00):
I think the plan that we've seen enacted that you've
referenced where they basically say we didn't roll back any medicaid.
We didn't do it. The Democrats were part of that.
If you lost your plan, you've lost it because of
the Democrats. I mean, it's just an outright misrepresentation or lie.

(34:22):
You know, that is the plan. I've heard Trump already
do it. I heard him literally say those words.

Speaker 6 (34:29):
Yeah, you're right. And so it's about flooding the zone, right.

Speaker 7 (34:31):
We have been on a lot of calls with advocates
and we all are kind of seeing to get people hope.

Speaker 6 (34:36):
We're all saying the same thing, and we all really
believe it.

Speaker 7 (34:39):
The message is fine, right, any message about people getting
health care taken away resonates with regular people, regular voters.

Speaker 6 (34:46):
It's about volume.

Speaker 7 (34:48):
We have to be out there and every channel, everywhere
we go. I'm doing a ton right now, going to
do more personally, but people, you know, all across the
spectrum have to be doing this because you know, if not,
the algorithms out there in social media, they're gonna they're
going to continue to stoke the anger, stoke the division.
We have to flood that zone and kind of try
to try to dominate their their mis their misinformation and

(35:11):
their disinformation.

Speaker 1 (35:12):
On a practical level at our last minute, here, tell
me what's happening with your hospital and with the healthcare
that does depend on that Medicaid revenue. It's it's the
cut is still a ways off, right.

Speaker 6 (35:24):
It is.

Speaker 7 (35:25):
But we already heard a hospital in Curtis, Nebraska, Rural
Hospital said they're closing, and they reference these cuts, right,
because hospitals have to plan out their budgets like any business,
you know, five years into the future or so, these
things are coming in the next couple of years, and
so that that's a big concern. We got a big
email from the CEO of our entire health system. We're
talking like twenty some hospitals, big, small, urban, rural saying

(35:49):
these cuts, while they're going to primarily affect recipients in
these places, they're going to affect the system as a whole.
It's going to have wide reaching effects because exactly what
I said before, You know, when you take away those revenues,
if they're a third, or even if they're twenty percent
of the revenue for a hospital, if you make a
significant dent in those revenues, hospitals have to respond, right,

(36:10):
they're going to have to have more compensated care. They're
going to pass it along to insurance. They are going
to pass it along to these two folks with insurance.
So yeah, I think to get ready. We're kind of
bracing ourselves for cuts we know are going to happen,
and then trying to communicate with our patients. You know
that we will be there for them, particularly in the er.
The law mandates it, and we appreciate that law being there.

(36:33):
But again for me as an advocate, and the next
step is to say something.

Speaker 6 (36:37):
You can do about it. Next November, you know, when
I'm outside of those hospital walls, That's what I'm going
to spend my time doing.

Speaker 1 (36:42):
Yeah, the messaging is critical, and the messaging was seized
effectively by GOP interests and privatization interests, big money, and
so one of the great things you have is real
world experience. You know, you can speak to this stuff
with the kind of authentic a lot of others cannot.
So I really appreciate your activism. You've got a door

(37:04):
open here. I hope we'll revisit some of this stuff
in the months ahead and can help spread it because
it's it's important work. Doctor Rob. So I appreciate you
spending time with it. Do they call you doctor Rob
or doctor Davidson there in the.

Speaker 6 (37:16):
Doctor Rob is great? Rob is great.

Speaker 7 (37:18):
Yeah, I've been called a lot worse things at three
o'clock in the morning, but buy some patients and maybe
some staff.

Speaker 6 (37:24):
But yeah, doctor Rob's great.

Speaker 1 (37:26):
So appreciate you here, Doctor Rob Davidson, Thanks so much.
Is there a website that people can keep up on?
The Committee to Protect Healthcare?

Speaker 6 (37:34):
Absolutely? Committee to Protect dot org.

Speaker 7 (37:37):
I love people that come on physicians, particularly if you're listening,
sign up, join what we're doing. Be a part of
this movement, be a voice in your community to help
protect affordable, accessible healthcare for all of our patients.

Speaker 1 (37:49):
We'll have a link under this video so anyone watching
can just click on that. Thanks and we'll talk again soon.
Appreciate all the work you do. Look forward it all right,
Doctor Rob david Thank you my friend.

Speaker 2 (38:05):
The Mark Thompson Show. He was great.

Speaker 5 (38:09):
I loved it.

Speaker 7 (38:12):
How would you have this?

Speaker 1 (38:13):
We could try ignoring it, sir.

Speaker 2 (38:17):
You cannot say you love your country. Where am I weed?

Speaker 8 (38:20):
Smokers at?

Speaker 2 (38:21):
Stay at home and get baked.

Speaker 1 (38:23):
That guy is a real thing. Glad we could meet him.
You know, a lot of talk, but that guy does
the heavy lifting really really great to talk to. Robert,
doctor Rob Davidson, Doctor Rob dor d Doctor Rob.

Speaker 4 (38:39):
I love the video of him with Pence though, because
Pence looks like he has no idea what's going on, Like,
has no idea what and and doctor Davidson does not
let up. He's like he keeps like refocusing the question, like, no,
here's what's happening at the hospitals.

Speaker 3 (38:54):
Here's my concern for the American citizens.

Speaker 4 (38:56):
And Pence is like, yeah, in Indiana, we we did this.

Speaker 3 (39:00):
No, that's not what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (39:01):
Wow.

Speaker 4 (39:02):
Yeah, take the pedal off the gas, you know.

Speaker 1 (39:06):
Right, like what like the guy acting as vice president,
you know, just responding with the typical problem that politicians
respond actually ran into somebody who had the goods yeah
math you know. So yeah, uh, there you go. Smash
the like button, which is a YouTube thing. You got

(39:27):
to hit us or the thumbs up. Smash it like
a boss.

Speaker 3 (39:30):
It does help us in the.

Speaker 1 (39:32):
The algorithms of of YouTube. There are things happening that
are I'm going to bump them till our two, which
is coming up in about ten minutes with dab K Johnston,
things related to Epstein and things related to Trump. I'm
going to push that a little bit for David's reaction.

(39:57):
It is wild to see the effects of the immigration policy,
the ripple effects in so many different ways. I saw this,
and I think it was submitted by teacher Laurie. Remember
we had said that we wanted to focus on one
story if we could, per day, about immigrants who are

(40:19):
in detention or facing detention. And this is the story
of a childcare worker. And this is a person who
was providing healthcare for American children with disabilities. Isn't that
basically it? Kim?

Speaker 4 (40:36):
And she was childcare Yeah, I mean in severe disabilities
in some cases, you know, the most serious affliction of autism, right,
nonverbal kids who really need specialized childcare. You can't just
take them to drop them off at any daycare, right.
And it's hard to find people apparently that do this

(40:57):
type of work. And so when you have someone that's
so good at it, they become really really important to
this community of families that need this kind of assistance.
And gone, she's gone, poof.

Speaker 1 (41:09):
Well, she came from Columbia. Her name is Arosco Ferrero,
and she has kids of her own that I think
have some health challenges as well, and doctors haven't been
able to diagnose the exact cause of one of the
child's illnesses and symptoms. And so she's put together a

(41:33):
life here in America that involves helping others, as we've said,
with autism. And on June eighteenth, she was plucked. She
was busted, and it was supposed to be a routine meeting.
This is again one of those stories where someone is
actually going through the process that is prescribed. It was

(41:57):
a meeting with the US Immigration and Customs and for Crew,
again routine. Orosco and her husband had been to all
their monthly meetings for the past year, and their asylum
charge was denied in April of twenty twenty four. Her
husband and their two sons, one of seven, one is five.
They fled Columbia two years ago. He had been persecuted

(42:22):
by gangs who targeted vendors. He was a street vendor
the targeted there by gangs for money, and they sought
the help of a lawyer once they got here to
the United States, and they have been monitored by ICE.
They weren't they wearing I think wrist monitors or ankle monitors,
so that ICE could monitor them the whole time. In

(42:43):
other words, everything was done very much above board. And
ICE had said, and this is kind of one of
the reasons they felt a little bit better about their
situation that they were prioritized of. ICE was prioritizing people
who had violent pasts or some kind of felonies for
deportation first. And then Arosco saw reports of undocumented immigrants

(43:09):
being rounded up at their immigration appointments, and.

Speaker 4 (43:14):
And her family says, wait, you might not want to
go to that appointment, right, yes, exactly, but she does.

Speaker 3 (43:20):
To her you know, her credit.

Speaker 4 (43:23):
She's trying to do it right. She's trying to make
sure that she goes by the book here, right.

Speaker 1 (43:29):
Yeah. She'd gone all the appointments, taken documentation to show
that she was going to school at Green River Community College,
taking courses in English and early childhood development. She completed
a childcare internship that trained her to open her own
licensed in home daycare. Her licensure approval was set to
arrive any moment, likely that same week, and the daycare

(43:52):
was just about ready to go. But then the family said,
don't go in they're picking people up, as Kim's said,
and she went in and she was arrested and deported.
Is she still in this country now, Kim or not?

Speaker 3 (44:13):
No, she was deported. Yeah, it's very quickly.

Speaker 1 (44:19):
It's a scary thing. And so now let me go
from beyond her to what we've talked about, the ripple
effects of this kind of thing. I mean, look at
her with her kids. It's so heartbreaking, you know. I
mean again, these are the best of the world. Those
are the people. I mean, it's played off like these

(44:41):
are the worst. They're coming here with a violent pass. No,
this is actually these are the best of society. And
so healthcare workers and care workers of all sorts, childcare,
these are all going to be dramatically affected by this.

(45:04):
So these deportation policies that continue to be so brutal
and so aggressive, they stand to have a ripple effect
that Americans across the board will recognize. My heart breaks
for her and for her family. It's not right, and

(45:29):
sadly it falls into the category of a lot that's
not right right now in America. So the Mark Thompson Show,
before David k Jarathan gets here, Kim, I'm wondering if
I could get a quick news update. I know you're
on Bongino watch for us Dan Bongino, who threatened he

(45:50):
was going to He's out of here. He wants those
yet files released. He's still He's found God. All of
a sudden, He's going to stay in the administration.

Speaker 4 (46:01):
Isn't Limbo He hasn't decided to step out the door yet.

Speaker 1 (46:04):
I see. Okay, Well, Limbo's a fun place to be
a lot of people in Limbo with this administration. Right now,
let's do some news with Kim David K. Johnston. We'll
talk Epstein, will talk about Ukraine and Russia in the
about facing the current administration and more. Again, smash the
like button if you would please. I am smashing it right.
I smash the like button. I don't know if that's legal,

(46:25):
but I smash it too, Tony. Is that legal for
me to smash my own button like that while I'm drinking?
Just don't do it on camera. Just don't do it.
How dare you?

Speaker 10 (46:40):
All?

Speaker 1 (46:40):
Right's Kim's news and we continue Mark Thompson Mark Thompson Show.

Speaker 4 (46:52):
Yeah, on the Mark Thompson Show. I'm Kim McAllister. This
report is sponsored by Coachella Valleycoffee dot Com. And since
you're putting on Bongino watch, let me just say that.
A story out of The Independent in the UK says,
after the DOJ released that memo where there's nothing to
see here, move along on Epstein. The White House officials

(47:14):
reportedly confronted Dan Bongino and FBI Director Cash Pattel over
a story that was leaked to News Nation.

Speaker 3 (47:23):
And what the.

Speaker 4 (47:23):
Story said was that the Justice Department had stopped the
FBI from unsealing further evidence related to Epstein. So Patel
and Bongino denied to the Trump folks that they're behind
this leak. Bongino so frustrated that he gives an ultimatum
to President Trump, fire Bondie or I'm going to resign.

(47:44):
And he purportedly Bongino didn't show up to work on Friday.
I haven't heard whether he was at work yesterday, but
I don't know. So according to CNN yesterday, Bongino on
Friday didn't show up to work.

Speaker 3 (47:58):
So we'll see.

Speaker 4 (47:59):
And apparently Trump is really really upset over this whole
Bongino flap. So in other news, President Trump says he
is disappointed but not done with president Russian President Vladimir
Putin the president expressing his disappointment with Putin during an
interview with the BBC, and it comes after he threatened

(48:19):
Moscow with sanctions over its war with Ukraine. The comments
from Trump also followed the announcement of a deal with
NATO to send more weapons, including Patriot missile systems, to Ukraine,
and speaking of that, a new report says Trump has
encouraged Ukrainian President Zelenski behind closed doors to ramp up

(48:41):
strikes into Russian territory. The Financial Times reports Trump told
Zelenski to carry out strikes deep into Russian territory and
ask if they could hit Moscow with long range weapons
that the United States would provide.

Speaker 1 (48:55):
Man, what an about face. I'll talk to David K.
Johnson about this, But what an about face t has
done on this. This is insane. Now he's stirring the
pot asking could you hit Moscow with any of these
long range missiles if we provide them. I mean, it's
really I don't know if he's trying to light a
fire under Putin. I mean, I don't give Trump too

(49:16):
much credit for strategizing like that, but otherwise I don't
understand it, or if he's just spoiling for a world war.

Speaker 4 (49:24):
Do you want me to put a pin in the
news or do you want me to keep on going.

Speaker 1 (49:27):
I give me one more story and then we'll bring
David on.

Speaker 4 (49:31):
Senate expected to vote soon on a package cutting approximately
nine point four billion dollars in congressionally approved spending. Senate
Majority Leader John Thune making the announcement shortly after securing
a key vote from Senator Mike Rounds. According to Thune,
the vote is on track for today to discharge the
recisions package out of the Appropriations Committee and then proceed

(49:53):
to the floor.

Speaker 1 (49:54):
So this is a clawback of money. And it's amazing
how the GOP, they're jihatists, they're going after it all.
They're not only appropriating money through that package, that big,
ugly package, but they are going after previously appropriated money

(50:15):
and clawing it back. It's an extraordinary thing that you're
witnessing in politics in America right now. I mean, this
is a political party with a tight grip on everything.

Speaker 4 (50:29):
One last story, just a note. The Trump administration is
filing notice as we expected to appeal a federal judges
order blocking immigration raids across seven southern California counties. The
judge citing Fourth Amendment protections against unreasonable searches and seizures.
The ruling saying immigration authorities may not base their suspicions

(50:50):
solely on a person's apparent race or ethnicity and the
fact that they're speaking Spanish or English with an accent.
The case will now move to the Ninth Circuit Court
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On to David K.

Speaker 4 (51:51):
Johnston Here, I'm Kim McAllister. This is the Mark Thompson Show.

Speaker 2 (52:01):
The Mark Thumpson Show, right on everybody.

Speaker 1 (52:06):
It's exciting to welcome him back after a hiatus. How
about it for the great David K. Johnston Pulltry Prize
winner now at rit professor. Always great to see you, sir,
Good to see you. I was comment before.

Speaker 9 (52:22):
I must say you know you've set a some Coachella
Valley Coffee and we've been on it ever since.

Speaker 1 (52:28):
I love it. David K. Johnston with Ito Uh synchronous SIPs.
I love it, David Uh. I'm going to ask you
to respond to this right out of the shoot. This
is Tony with the seven dollars super chest saying, don't
you think Trump? This is about Putin and about the

(52:49):
about face on Ukraine, meaning now he seems to be
talking to Ukraine about longer range missiles being provided and
an American aid being stepped up. It's really it's wild
that the same guy seemed to be completely doing a
kind of a surrender on the part of Ukraine when
he first took off this anyway, don't you think Trump
is just faking his anger at Putin and giving Putin

(53:12):
more time another fifty days to destroy Ukraine? Wow? Is
what do you think?

Speaker 9 (53:17):
Well, there are a lot of people who are certainly
thinking that I was stopped at the gym today by
one of my Ukrainian friends, and that was exactly their argument,
that this was really a headfake. And my answer to
that is, no, I don't think so. Donald is Let's
keep in mind, first and foremost, Donald is appallingly ignorant.

(53:38):
He doesn't know anything. What he does know is this,
he promised that on day one he would bring an
end to this war, and he hasn't gotten it. And
he knows that over time this is very damaging for
him if this war goes on. So he needs to
do something to cement his position and to shore up

(54:00):
the trouble he's got. And at the same time, he's
got to be very wary about what's going on about
the Epstein files and the level of disenchantment going on
among the Maga crowt who after all well very tied
to Donald, could be wooed away by somebody else who

(54:24):
promised them what they think they want in their similarly
appalling ignorance. I do think that the game is going
to change here between Ukraine and Russia. The Europeans have
been stepping up more because they recognize that if Ukraine
goes down, they face a half century of expansionistic wars

(54:48):
by the Russians. Even when Vladimir Putin is gone, I mean,
the next guy in line to replace Putin, it looks
like makes him look less serious.

Speaker 1 (55:01):
It's odd that the rogues gallery ahead is pretty dangerous.

Speaker 9 (55:05):
But Donald can turn on a god. Donald can turn
around tomorrow and resume his nonsense that Ukraine started the
war and Ukraine attract Russia because there's no principles, there's
no interest. And I don't know if you saw Friday
or Saturday, this long rant he gave in the White
House in response to a reporter's question where he talked

(55:26):
about magnets lifting airplanes into the sky. It's about seven
minutes in to the video, and it's indicative of Donald's
not only poor mental health, but combine that with his
just utter lack of knowledge. For those who don't know this,

(55:49):
Donald had to be told why there was a memorial
at the USS Arizona when he was taken there a
couple of months into the first administration. And how anyone
in America could not know a date that we'll live
in infamy and what happened to Pearl Harbor nineteen forty
one is beyond appalling.

Speaker 1 (56:08):
And it's not just anyone president of the United States.

Speaker 9 (56:13):
Yeah, and he just simply doesn't know anything. It's all blustered.

Speaker 1 (56:17):
So you're saying, don't give him too much credit for
the three d Chess of the Ukraine Putin back and forth.

Speaker 9 (56:25):
I suspect we will start sending some more weapons to
Ukraine because Trump does need somehow to push Putin. But
Putin from his perspective, even though he's a dictator, a
quote unquote democratically elected dictator as is Donald, he can't
ignore the fact that he has caused the deaths of

(56:45):
so many young men. I mean, just the twelve months
of the third year of the war cost four hundred
thousand Russian combat deaths, not casualties. Deaths casualties those who
are not includes people were injured, and they gained one
half of one percent of Ukrainian territory at a cost

(57:05):
of four hundred thousand. So all across Russia there are
families whose man or oldest or grown sons are not there,
and this is causing a lot of economic hardship. So
he can't just stop.

Speaker 1 (57:23):
That's really interesting because on the one hand, you think
it's touched so many Russians that there is an imperative
to stop. But by the same token, you're saying the
goal of getting Ukraine or returning Ukraine to Russia is
something that must be respected because of all the investment
of you know that Putin's already made.

Speaker 9 (57:42):
And remember also that you know, unless you are diligent
about it, the only news you get in Russia is
state approved news. That is, it's only propaganda. So you,
as a Russian, have a distorted version of this. And
Russians are raised with this concept of mirror, mir meaning
the world, the mirror space station, and the concept of

(58:03):
mirror includes the notion that we're special, we're tough, we
could endure whatever is needed, unlike those soft, corrupt people
in Europe and America. And so having called upon this
sacrifice from people, that just adds to the box that

(58:23):
Putin has put himself into. Because Putin is not good
at long term strategy. He's mostly a rather short term tactician,
and of course totally misestimated, misunderstood what was going to
happen when he invaded. He literally thought, in the intelligence
we had gathered that the Biden administration took the extraordinary

(58:46):
step of releasing about four or five months before the
invasion showed. They thought, Yeah, this is going to be
a walk in the park. It's going to be like
when the US went after Saddam Hussein. Of course, we
had peppered the officer corps in a rock with messages
and the grunts with leaflets dropped from the sky saying
don't resist, and we're not going to kill you. If

(59:08):
you do resist, sorry we'll have to kill you. I mean,
that was the essence of the message. And so they
didn't fight back very hard on behalf of Snam.

Speaker 1 (59:16):
Yeah. So from that now to something that you referenced,
and it is politically seismic what's happening in the MAGA
movement and the conspiracy theory Qann adjacent crew that vaulted
Trump into office. I mean, it's a big part of
his constituency that expected a kind of transparency, a promise

(59:38):
of jfk mlk UFOs, Epstein files. It's all coming out
because those people want to suppress it, and particularly in
the case of Epstein, because it's all a bunch of Democrats.
The Epstein files are going to be revelations about Democrats.
Here's what they're saying. Now, go ahead, Tony, please.

Speaker 11 (59:54):
How many of you are not satisfied with the results
of the MSA. What I'm getting at is at some
point where we want answers.

Speaker 1 (01:00:03):
At some point, YEA answer the questions who went to
Epstein islands, who specifically went on the plane, who stayed
for more than a night. I don't think they're telling
us a truth about Epstein.

Speaker 11 (01:00:12):
I will not rest until we go full Jan six
committee on the Jeffrey Epstein files.

Speaker 1 (01:00:20):
I supported Donald Trump in this last election. Yes he
did just actively cover up a giant child rapist ring.

Speaker 11 (01:00:27):
Jeffrey Epstein was working on behalf of Intel Services. Probably
not American release all the Epstein files, no matter the consequences.
There is no way that we are going to act
like the proven harm and abuse that Jeffrey Epstein has
cause never happened, and we have every right to ask

(01:00:48):
on whose behalf was he working.

Speaker 1 (01:00:50):
If you want the full release of documents, the special
prosecutor gets it.

Speaker 3 (01:00:53):
And here's why. Epstein is a key that picks the
lock on so many things.

Speaker 1 (01:01:00):
So they've created a narrative that suggests that Jeffrey Epstein,
as Bannon was just saying, as sort of the lynchpin
to all kinds of other scandal. Now there's nothing to
see here. That's the new word from the administration, as
you suggested, Bondi, Patel, Bongino, their top Justice Department and

(01:01:22):
FBI officials and White House people with great gravitas and
leverage with Trump, they're all there's an internescent dispute. Speak
to what's going on here politically and then just practically.

Speaker 9 (01:01:36):
Well, the MAGA people were promised something that was made
a big deal to them for years. They were fed
this story about Jeffrey Epstein. Not only is he a
child rapist, but he's compromised people using presumably audio or
videotapes of these people raping girls. And we know that,

(01:02:00):
you know, Donald was seen with Epstein repeatedly. He says,
I met a few times. That's the kind of lie
Donald tries to get away with. So they expected to
see these files. Now, their assumption has always been it's
going to reveal all these terrible Democrats. I mean, just
yesterday I saw another and it was modern, not from

(01:02:21):
years ago, video about the child blood drinking, cannibal, child
rapist Hillary Clinton.

Speaker 8 (01:02:29):
Nonsense.

Speaker 9 (01:02:30):
So a lot of these Washington following up on that
right there. They're way out in space about many of
these things. Trump's problem is that he promised to release
these files. By the way, who was Attorney General of
Florida at the time, a lot of this was going on, Oh,
Pam BONDI. So this is a deep division. It's creating

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among the MAGA crowd, and it's also encouraging the really
crazy comments of Carlson. Because we don't have any evidence
that Epstein was working on behalf of foreign governments. I
haven't seen one iota of evidence of that. It doesn't
mean material he had might not have been and would
be very valuable to hostile foreign governments. I don't see

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a way out of this for Trump except trying to
make it go away, get people off onto other issues,
and that will allow it to go away. And I
think the Democrats need to be pressing this solidly.

Speaker 1 (01:03:31):
Which they're doing right David, I mean Rocanna. You introduced
that legislation to actually release the files, and the GOP
voted it down. Yeah.

Speaker 9 (01:03:39):
Well, that's because at the end of the day, they're
going to protect Donald and so long as they control
the House and the Senate, they can protect him, which
means it's in a matter of a great deal who
controls the House next year, and it's possible to Sendate
would change hands. And if that's the case for Trump,
he's got really serious problems. I don't think you can
convict him on impeachment requires seventy votes, but barring something

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unexpected happening between now and then, but you absolutely can
lay out the record here on what's happening. One of
the thing to keep in mind about all of this,
the administration in Pam Bondi in particularly keep saying we
don't have a list. That doesn't literally mean there is
a document or a piece of paper that has the

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names of people on a list. You construct a list
from things like manifests for his various jet aircraft logs,
for who stayed, visitor logs, telephone logs. So don't be
misled when they will at some point come back and
say there is no list again, which is exactly what

(01:04:45):
Pam Bondi said. That's like saying we don't have your
payt ubs. If the IRS were to say that to you,
we don't care. We know how much you got paid
and how much was with heldeber Jack.

Speaker 1 (01:04:58):
Yeah, I wanted to play something for you. I see
this guy as a Trump surrogate mostly Dershowitz. Yes, he's
a problematic figure in many ways. He's also a very
smart guy, obviously, which makes some of what he says
he's represented. As you know, so many including Jeffrey Epstein,

(01:05:19):
makes so much of what he says a little tough
some times to decode. I want to play a little
bit of it though, for you and just get your reaction.
This is Alan Dershowitz talking about what you're speaking about
the existence of a list of file and names, etc.

Speaker 12 (01:05:33):
Go ahead, Tony, No, there is no client list and
never has been a client list. A client list suggests
that Jeffrey Epstein made a list of people to whom
he trafficked women. What there is is a redacted fbif
David from accusers.

Speaker 1 (01:05:53):
There are several of them from.

Speaker 12 (01:05:54):
Accusers that accuse Jeffrey that accused various people of having
improper sex, and that has been redacted. The names of
the people accused have been blacked out.

Speaker 1 (01:06:09):
Now.

Speaker 12 (01:06:09):
Of course, because I was the lawyer and I did
only investigations, I know who.

Speaker 1 (01:06:13):
All these people are.

Speaker 12 (01:06:15):
I could figure out based on everything that I saw
who mister X's, mister Wyre's, and mister Z.

Speaker 3 (01:06:22):
I can tell you right now.

Speaker 12 (01:06:24):
None of them are public figures who are currently in office,
some of them were previously in office.

Speaker 8 (01:06:31):
Some of them are are dead.

Speaker 12 (01:06:33):
But there is no client list, and the redactions could
be undone if you go to court.

Speaker 6 (01:06:42):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:06:43):
I again, I see him as a surrogate, so I
try to allow for that in discounting whatever he has
to say. I also see him as something of an
Epstein insider, David, you know, to be fair, he along
with Trump, they were with Epstein a lot. I mean
Trump and Epstein were a couple of you know, international
playboys who were together all the time. I mean a
lot of the time. But Epstein also close to Dershowitz,

(01:07:09):
certainly in terms of legal representation. Give me your thoughts
sort of on what Dershowitz was saying.

Speaker 9 (01:07:14):
Well, the most important thing he said, and it was
very subtle. Was he excluded Donald Trump from the list
of people because he said, no one currently in office.
And this has been part of the effort to say
these were Democrats. There are probably some Democrats in there,
they're Republicans. I don't think they were picked for their
connection to power. They're also trying to argue that Epstein

(01:07:37):
was not blackmailing people. Epstein has no known expertise in finance,
He had no track record in finance, and yet he
ended up managing a large volume of money for several
very wealthy people he drew into his circle. So I
think it's not unreasonable to believe that what Epstein would

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do is he would get you in a compromising situation,
and not in any confrontational way, but a very subtle,
business like way, make it clear that you needed to
have him manage some of your money. I would love
to just see the track record on who deposited money
with him, what the investment returns are, and what the
withdrawals were on behalf of Epstein, I said, on behalf

(01:08:23):
of him, because I'm sure he was very sophisticated about
all of this. The Royal family has essentially cut Prince
Andrew out of the mix. To think that British intelligence
isn't able to figure out what was going on here
and whether his denials were credible would be foolish. Of course,
they have figured that out, and that they have cut

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him out of the mix tells you that this is
not some imaginary issue. And remember, we have a whole
group of young women at the time, some of them
were fourteen years old who have come forward. They've been
consistent in their stories. Brown's reporting in the Miami Herald
on this has been solid.

Speaker 6 (01:09:05):
All of it is.

Speaker 9 (01:09:06):
All of it is held up to these tremendous attacks
by people around Trump. Dershowitz is as someone who, apart
from being a professor at Harvard Law, represented people in
some very famous criminal cases, has proven very adept at
how to confuse people, how to lead them away from

(01:09:28):
rather obvious facts, which is one of the key roles
of criminal defense lawyers. That's your job is to get
your client off. So I think that what should happen
is the administration should go to court and say we
want court approval to remove all of these records out

(01:09:51):
of the redactions and put it out there now. Dershwitz
does make one point and that is that there are
people in there who are being accused by someone else. Well,
let's treat them in two categories, people who are in
Epstein's own self generated files, Which brings us to my
last point, which is one of the defenses being put

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up now is well, it was really Obama and Clinton
that people working for them who created these files. Biden's
people created these files. Utter nonsense and just a further
effort to confuse the magarati, who are also the ignoranty
of America.

Speaker 1 (01:10:33):
That is absolutely exactly what's happening today. I mean, the
days special political special of disinformation is exactly what you're saying, David,
which is this entire thing was concocted by the Democrats,
and they will try to find a way to tag

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the Democrats. Now, last thing on this and then I
want to move on to the immigration policies, which are
increasingly shocked. But the last thing is that they have
successfully i mean, through sweat, through threat or just charm
from Trump move some of these influencers, mega influencers off
this subject, gotten them to kind of you know, nothing

(01:11:16):
to see here this. It's remarkable the power of the
White House and of Trump to get that to happen.

Speaker 9 (01:11:23):
Well, all White Houses have a lot of power to
get people to either bend to their will or back off.
I mean, who wants to go get into a big
fight with the President of the United States with the
resources has particularly Donald who has no compunctions about finding
excuses to go after you. And there are lots of
things our government can do to hobble your life and
make it difficult if that's what they're people are instructed

(01:11:47):
to do. And remember, you know, the studies by Milgram
and Zimbardo and others show that somewhere between ten and
twenty percent of people will not just follow orders, but
eighty percent roughly will just do what they're told to do.
So I'm deeply concerned about how this changes and the narrative,

(01:12:14):
and I think the Democrats and the never mega Republicans
people like the Lincoln Project really need to stay on
this and have a disciplined message, just as they need
to have with your previous guests about Medicaid and rural
hospitals and Medicare and rural hospitals. They need to have
a dedicated message, a tightly disciplined theme to keep pushing

(01:12:40):
this issue and not letting you go away. Now, Remember
that the mega crowd, more than people in general, operates
on a visceral level. These are not people who get
paid to sit around think about issues. So they can
be moved. But you've got to have various outrages. One
of the things the Democrats could do is get some
of the women who haven't come forward publicly. Their names

(01:13:05):
are in the record but redacted. Get some more of
them to come forward, put more information out there. Talk
about Prince Andrew and the fact that the royal family
has pushed him aside, very clearly. Done that, and then
press also for the financial records, because the financial records

(01:13:26):
are going to tell you, of course he was running
an extortion.

Speaker 1 (01:13:28):
Scheme, right right, Yeah, I mean it seems that Democrats
are doing some of this. We'll see how our game's out.
Yeah they are.

Speaker 9 (01:13:36):
They seem to be doing better on this. They've been
flailing for a long time. This will not get them
what they want. It will simply limit what Trump and
his people can do. They still need to develop a message.
In the words of my late brother, you know what
are the Democrats done for me?

Speaker 1 (01:13:53):
Right right? Yeah? Bold messages and bold plans are carrying
the day. You can look at the mayoral race in
New York to see that. I want to get to
this immigration thing, David, because it does involve the law,
and you've lectured around the world on American law and
on constitutional rights and liberties, and it's an interesting place
that immigrants and again, these are immigrants detained because they've

(01:14:17):
come here quote illegally, but many of them were on
their way to I just related a story about one immigrant.
She was a healthcare worker and childcare worker working with
autistic kids, and she and her family were actually on
their way to a court ordered check in with ICE.
They arrest them and they deport them. So these are

(01:14:38):
people that they don't apprehend in the shadows. They are
going to the courthouses among other places to get these people.
And now they're suggesting they can be detained. I mean,
this is the ICE order without regard to any freedom
prior to their case coming up, which could be months
or years before that case is actually heard.

Speaker 9 (01:14:57):
Well, it's a video of Tom Holman saying that we
have the right to detain anybody, and no, that's very
clear to the constitution. You do not have a right
to detain anybody. The lawlessness here is astonishing. And when
members of Congress went and inspected the Alligator Auschwitz, and
let's call it what it is. It's a concentration camp,

(01:15:19):
and it could easily just from a hurricane, turn into
a death camp because people will be trapped there in
this low lying area in the Everglades. Several of the
congress people said there were people shouting out, I'm a
US citizen, and they're not listening to the arguments I'm
a US citizen. That's something court should be taking very

(01:15:42):
seriously about how they're grabbing people off the streets. But
the reason they're grabbing compliant people off the streets. They're
in one case, leaving a child in the backseat of
a car for which you or I could be prosecuted
and sent to prison for a long time, is because
that's what they were told to do. And bureaucracies, whether
it's the LAPD, the IRS, or the Environmental Protecting Agency,

(01:16:07):
bureaucracies do what they're told to do.

Speaker 6 (01:16:09):
On the whole.

Speaker 9 (01:16:09):
A handful of people will resign and protest, a few
will complain inside, but that's what they do. They follow
their directors and orders. And there aren't masses of rapists
and murderers out there. It was all a lie. So
to fulfill Stephen Miller's wishes as Trump's minister of hate,

(01:16:32):
they've got to grab people indiscriminately. And where better to
grab people than when they show up for their hearings,
that they're being compliant, when they go to work, when
they drop off or pick up their children at school.
Why make an effort to identify people have a criminal
record and then case their homes and pounce on them

(01:16:53):
before non which is what you would reasonably have expected
Trump was going to do based on his campaign language.
And underneath all of this, we should never lose sight
of the fact that make America great again. And I've
been saying this now since he started. That phrase is
simply code for make America white again. And if we
can't get you out of the country because your skin

(01:17:14):
doesn't look like you or me, we're going to at
least put you in your place.

Speaker 1 (01:17:20):
Yeah, that's certainly reflected in the show of force and
MacArthur Park in Los Angeles with the horseback riding Feds
coming in with the Customs officers sweeping with a Blackhawk helicopter.
I mean, it was crazy, and there were no real
arrest made based on what we get. It was just
an intimidation tactic and as you say, kind of a message.
But now let me just ask you about this jud

(01:17:41):
The other judge is ruling on some of what you're
talking about, which is, you can't detain someone based on
the color of their skin, you can't detain them based
on their accent or language, et cetera. This is an
injunction against the policies of ice. So here's how you.

Speaker 6 (01:17:57):
Get around that.

Speaker 9 (01:17:57):
If you're an ice officer, any experienced police officer will
tell you that within a quarter mile to a half
mile of driving, they can find an excuse to pull
you over. You were one mile below the speed limit,
you're one mile over the speed limit, you weren't perfectly
staying in your own lane, and so they will find

(01:18:18):
excuses to cover that up in order to detain people
and grab them. We really should be very deeply troubled
that they're not wearing insignia that and we've had a
couple of cases already of where men were trying to
grab women off the street, presumably to rape them and

(01:18:39):
perhaps murder them, posing as ice officers. That should be
very very concerning to us that, on the other hand,
this is a pro criminal administration. Trump has now pardoned
a whole series of men convicted of raping children, of

(01:18:59):
rape of island, crimes against women. He has pardoned major
drug dealers, and of course, as I reported to my
book The Making of Donald Trump, and I encourage people
go to the public library and read the chapter with
mercy and the title about how Donald was involved up
to his eyeballs with one of the biggest cocaine traffickers
in America, did extraordinary favors for him that make no

(01:19:22):
sense for anyone, but especially not a casino owner who's
supposed to be very highly regulated in terms of his connections,
and how that case got moved from Ohio to the
New Jersey courtroom of a newly appointed federal judge named
Marianne Trump Barry with almost no penalties for this major
cocaine trafficker. It lives in Santa Monica, now not that

(01:19:45):
far from you.

Speaker 1 (01:19:45):
Mark, I didn't know that I remember the chapter from
your book, though I remember this story. Yeah, and so.

Speaker 9 (01:19:51):
This is a pro criminal administration. Russell Vote, who came
from Heritage, was the principal architect of the Project twenty
twenty five and now runs the very powerful Office of
Management and Budget. He also used one of his secondary
positions that Trump has given him over to arrange the

(01:20:15):
Navy Federal Credit Union, which appears to be this very
corrupt nonprofit credit union. Was supposed to pay eighty million
dollars back to Navy members and veterans who've been overcharged
and fifteen million dollars in penalties, and they just wiped
it out. So it's also an anti veteran presidency.

Speaker 8 (01:20:35):
They've cut the VA, they've cut VA.

Speaker 9 (01:20:38):
Services, and as I've mentioned in the show before, as
the son of one hundred percent disabled veteran World War iiO,
this is something I am not completely unbiased about that
it gets deep into my soul. But they are systematically
enabling and helping criminals, criminals they think are their friends.

(01:21:00):
Some of the people Trump pardon have been rearrested for crimes.
Donald Trump is helping sexual predators, particularly those who go
after underage girls. So we need to really make sure
that that message gets out there. By the way, go
look at our There's some really fantastic reporting going on

(01:21:22):
in the New York Times, the Washington Post, The Wall
Street Journal, some of the La Times and The Guardian,
the British newspaper that has a US edition. The Guardian
about a lot of this stuff. But the one thing
I've seen very little coverage of is these pardons of criminals,
serious criminals who are doing the very things Trump ran against.

(01:21:43):
I'm against murders, rapists and drug traffickers. Really, who are
you pardoning because he's doing them now, and he does
one later and he does another one later on.

Speaker 1 (01:21:54):
Well, if they pledged a kind of allegiance to Trump,
if they've been mago worthy, then that really is the
only litmus test. We've talked about a bunch of these cases,
and it's really as bad as David is saying.

Speaker 9 (01:22:09):
Some of these people Mark have been putting money into
Trump's pocket through their family, through campaign contributions, for buying
mean coins, and through other device because Trump now has
this terrific corruption mechanism to enrich himself. And you know,
for years ago I proved Donald wasn't a billionaire. The
government then established that shortly after I did, months after, Uh.

Speaker 8 (01:22:32):
He's now a billionaire.

Speaker 1 (01:22:33):
Yeah, I finally made it.

Speaker 9 (01:22:34):
He's now a billionaire. He's a billionaire from corruption not
from anything he did that built a better mouse trap
but provided a better service, but from corruption.

Speaker 1 (01:22:45):
That's one of the great virtues of crypto for him,
I'm talking about because it allows this flow of billions
of dollars that are just untraceable in terms of identity.

Speaker 9 (01:22:55):
Well, they're traceable now if we want to trace them.

Speaker 1 (01:22:57):
It's very Yeah, the blockchain gives you traceability. But yeah,
as you say, you have to have the mechanisms, governmental
mechanisms to do it. I'm going to let you go,
but I did want to get to tariffs today, and
maybe next week we'll know more because I think, you know,
we'll know whether he's just you know, Juken and Javin
or if he's actually you know, going through with this.

(01:23:18):
But he's you know, this fifty percent tariff on Brazil.
He's putting Vietnam back on the griddle. I don't understand
why this is a system of real patronage. You make
me think about it when you talk about his corruption,
because this is straight up patronage. It's it's these different
countries coming to Donald Trump and trying to give him
something to give them a break.

Speaker 9 (01:23:40):
Well, Donald is very mercurial. He can do things on
a dime. He doesn't have the legal authority to be
doing these tariffs. Congress controls tariffs Article one, Section eight,
Clause one. The very reason that we replace the First
American Republic under the Articles Confederation with the US Constitution

(01:24:00):
was so we could be taxed by our Congress, so
we could tax ourselves through Congress. And that's not a
power held by the president. But yeah, you know, Donald
promised lower prices. Your Coffee's going to cost you more,
folks because of this. And what really we should be
focused on is the longer range damage, because the rest

(01:24:23):
of the world is not calling up Donald Trump as
he claims to saying, oh, mister President, thank you for
doing this, sir, we appreciate it so much. Absolute fantasy.
You're already seeing indications that EU has developed a tariff
list calculated to strike back at US, you know, to
see people hurt, like the people who make bourbon in Kentucky,

(01:24:43):
if you're a bourbon drinker in Europe. The Canadian have
now said through their government, our relationship with the US
is over. And Donald, you know Smith, we don't care
abou candidate. It's irrelevant.

Speaker 8 (01:24:55):
Trade.

Speaker 9 (01:24:55):
It's our biggest trading partner, our biggest, number one trading partner,
which tells youant Donald is the nightmare scenario is the
rest of the world, perhaps minus China, gets together and
creates a new free trade zone and they just cut
us out of here. And this notion that well, we're special.
You know, we're as rich as we are because we're Americans. No,

(01:25:19):
we're as rich as we are because fundamentally, we did
a better job at getting the rules that motivate people
to study, to develop, to advance human knowledge. Knowledge is
power and knowledge is money in many many cases, not all,
but many. And if we don't get those rules right,
we can become like England, they stagnant economy with nowhere

(01:25:42):
to go unless they can get back into the EU,
which turns out surveys are showing most people in europeer saying,
all right, they made a mistake, Let them back in,
Punish them some, but let them back in the long
term future for the US is not greater wealth, except
for those people operate on an international scale, can put

(01:26:02):
their money wherever they want, and to them it's irrelevant.
Whatever the world wealth level is is the level that
they can work with. But if Europe Canada, Japan, Singapore, Australia,
et cetera. Get together and form a new trading zone
and cut us out of it. Oh my god, the
damage that they can do to us internally. Yeah, without

(01:26:26):
ever firing a shot, without ever doing anything except being nice.

Speaker 8 (01:26:31):
To each other.

Speaker 1 (01:26:32):
Yeah, this is the new real theater of conflict, right, David.
I mean, trade has really been and economics has been
and relative economics that has to say, country is relative
to each other. That's really been where it's there has
been conflict and tension and things that are then worked
out diplomatically for years now. It's such an odd thing

(01:26:54):
to have this president. It's so odd that when I
say this president even just shot me that he was
able to pull this off because you just say it
was really a con And I think it's one of
those things where you become president based on a good rap.
These days, it's just the right. I mean, I don't know,
I'm expressing general frustration, but I appreciate all of your

(01:27:15):
thoughts on this, and uh, and let's visit again next week.
Thanks again to weeks, all right, David K. Johnston, everybody. Yeah,
it's just a tough tough to believe you.

Speaker 2 (01:27:27):
Know your soul? The Mark Thompson Show.

Speaker 1 (01:27:34):
What can I say? What can I do? So great
to have David K. Johnson, And it's trying to skip
around all these different subjects and have them way in.
Why does Richard say is the Mark Thompson Show mad
at me? Why do they say that? I don't understand
why we would be mad at him or why he
would say that. Kim, and I don't know, you're always

(01:27:57):
the person making people mad at him.

Speaker 3 (01:27:59):
I have done nothing.

Speaker 1 (01:28:01):
Yeah, well I don't know you did something.

Speaker 4 (01:28:03):
Perhaps we haven't shown his super chat yet?

Speaker 1 (01:28:06):
Well why haven't we, Kim? I mean, I blame you, well, Kim,
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:28:11):
If I'm to blame always.

Speaker 3 (01:28:13):
I blame you.

Speaker 1 (01:28:16):
Richard delamator with a ten dollars super chat thank you
in a big shout out to you, Richard. Richard is
in our our big get together. We did June Swoon.
He was rocking all kinds of like he had a
what would you call it, almost like an opium den
going at his cash.

Speaker 3 (01:28:35):
I thought, yeah, he was a personal party.

Speaker 1 (01:28:37):
Yeah uh, he says, case dismiss not mine. I'm back beaches, beaches, beaches.
I'm sure he means beaches though, don't you think? Yeah,
h case, dismiss not mine. I'm back beaches. Mark. Have
you seen the YouTube footage of magas wearing their gear
in Ports of Call in Mexico. They're getting their asses kicked? Oh,

(01:29:02):
I have not seen that, Tony, have you seen that stuff?
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:29:05):
They are kissing my ass?

Speaker 1 (01:29:07):
You sure they're They're kicking their asses and not kissing
their ass.

Speaker 3 (01:29:10):
They are kissing my ass.

Speaker 1 (01:29:11):
And the President says they're kissing, So you may want
to check on that. But I didn't see that, and
I we have our best people on it, and our
best people in the form of Tony, So thank you
for that. Jim Slayton says, did you know that Trump
kept the original FIFA trophy? This is making future twenty
twenty eight Olympic gold medalisteners.

Speaker 4 (01:29:33):
This is a great story which I do have in
there for us that this is a You know when Trump,
we showed yesterday the picture of him on stage with
as the team won, which he's not necessarily supposed to
be there, but he was to the surprise of the
players who won the trophy. There's now video of him

(01:29:53):
He's pocketing the trophy.

Speaker 3 (01:29:56):
No kidding, Like what, he takes.

Speaker 4 (01:29:59):
It and he puts it in his pocket and apparently
they're making a replica for the team.

Speaker 1 (01:30:05):
Oh my god, absolutely, Oh my god, I just said that.
That is incredible.

Speaker 4 (01:30:12):
It is the real ones now in the in the
in the oval office. Oh my yeah, the same thing
where you know he took the clock from Marco Rubio.
It's like if he sees it and he wants it,
it's his, that's it. Wow, you're not getting it back.

Speaker 1 (01:30:29):
Thank you for that. I didn't see that story. Thank you,
Jim Slayton. Thank you for Kim. I guess Kim was
aware of it and had it in the show. We
just haven't gotten to it.

Speaker 3 (01:30:36):
Yeah, So is.

Speaker 1 (01:30:38):
This a moment that he actually takes it? Is that
what you're showing me? He gives them medal to one
of the players. Here he is shaking hands and he's
got a medal in his hand. Is that what you're
talking about? Yeah, it looks like he was given that medal.
I don't know. Doctor Rob was so oh informative and knowledgeable.

(01:31:01):
What a great guest. I agree, he was terrific. We'll
get him back and he's you know, just He's the
real thing, right, Homan calling from cousin Eerie. Thank you
and by the way, thank you for these super chats.
Everybody appreciate that, you know are crowdfunded, So I appreciate
that six dollars super chat from cousin Eerie. Homan calling
all alligator Alcatraz prisoners child molesters. Is that what he did?

(01:31:25):
I mean, it's that's despicable. Most of the people who
are detained have no criminal record whatsoever. I'm mean apart
from the fact that I get it they are undocumented here.
I don't mean to speak to all undocumented, but I'm
sure there are violent people, gang members, etc. But they
make up it. By all estimates and statistics that I've read,
they make up one percent or less of those being detained.

(01:31:49):
So five dollars supersticker from Wes. Thank you so much. Wes.
Big shout out to all of you with your superstickers
and super chats today. They are so the detention camps
are run by contractors. They aren't even deporting the people
they kidnap. They keep them in cages as a means
for private prison companies to profit. It's pure evil. I

(01:32:09):
don't at all disagree with that. In fact, I think
that this privatization of so many aspects of government, including
the immigration policies, which are largely dependent on erecting these
detention camps nationwide. They're going to be a bunch in
California also, and in Florida and across the country. It's
associated with a for profit industry of warehousing people one

(01:32:35):
hundred percent. And what I'm also concerned with, and I've
expressed this concern, and when we talk about unidentified ICE
agents and we talk about detaining people and those people
involved in attention wearing masks and driving unmarked vehicles and
unmarked uniforms, I worry about it then spilling over even
beyond just the immigration community. I mean the community of

(01:32:58):
those who are being detained for immigration purposes. But I
already feel as though what they're doing with this immigration
policy is crazy. It's wanton, it's wrong, it's immoral, it's unethical,
it's illegal, and it's being done the power of this president,
the power of this party is real, and that grip

(01:33:21):
is strong. So thank you everybody who has supported the
show today and smashed the like button, which is a
big part of the YouTube iron and we move on
to Mark Thompson Show. He comes on Tuesdays to civilize

(01:33:43):
us with the newest electronics consumers Smart this, Smart, that
Wi Fi? This Wi Fi that, Samsung, Apple, Android? Apple?
How about it? For Jefferson? He the host of Photo
Walks TV, but he was the longtime writer at USA

(01:34:05):
Today about tech. What do you have for us today? Oh?
Great one?

Speaker 13 (01:34:10):
Well, speaking of Samsung, this sort of got lost last week.
But did you hear that Samsung introduced the world's most
expensive phone ever sold by a major manufacturer, crossing the
two thousand dollars price tag?

Speaker 8 (01:34:27):
Did you hear that.

Speaker 1 (01:34:29):
It didn't play very high because you're saying, you're implying
because it's so expensive people, it didn't even make the news.
People had no interest.

Speaker 13 (01:34:38):
It didn't make the news because Samsung put on a
big event in New York. I wasn't invited. Others were
at Samsung's invitation. They flew them there, they put them up,
they fed them, they showed them these new phones, and
they all the coverage was, wow, this is such a
cool thin phone, which it may be. It's also the

(01:35:00):
most expensive phone ever sold ever, And somehow that got missed.
And I'm stunned.

Speaker 1 (01:35:10):
Why is it so expensive?

Speaker 13 (01:35:11):
Jefferson Gram It's expensive because I think it costs a
lot of money to build these foldable phones. It's a
very expensive category.

Speaker 1 (01:35:20):
So what does a foldable mean for those of us
who are you know, we're not tied in like you are.

Speaker 8 (01:35:24):
You see my case here?

Speaker 13 (01:35:26):
Yeah, imagine that this is a phone, a foldable phone,
and it opens up and it turns into a tablet.
I see, Okay, that's what a foldable phone is. Google
has one for fourteen dollars, Samsung's top of the line
is two thousand dollars, and analysts say that Apple will
have a foldable phone in twenty twenty six. We'll see.

Speaker 1 (01:35:49):
I think, why is this foldable phone such a big thing?
I mean, so I just have a flat phone? Here?
Is that a you know?

Speaker 13 (01:35:56):
Because it turns It turns into a tablet when you
open it up, and I think people really like that.
A lot of people like watching movies and television shows.
And it gives you twice the screen real estate.

Speaker 8 (01:36:08):
Though it's not that it's eight inches. It's eight inches.

Speaker 13 (01:36:12):
My iPhone is six point seven, so it's not that
much more anyway, So that was the big announcement last week.
I'm just amazed that it didn't get more press that
Samsung had crossed the two thousand dollars mark. I remember
when Apple crossed the one thousand dollars mark and got
a lot of heat for it, and just a few
years later, here we are two grand. So I won't

(01:36:35):
be buying it.

Speaker 1 (01:36:37):
Wow.

Speaker 8 (01:36:37):
I don't know about mark, but I will know you.

Speaker 1 (01:36:40):
And CBD, look at CVD. I have no interest in
a foldable phone, said CBD. Wow, and you're not, dare
Yeah right.

Speaker 13 (01:36:48):
There are people who really love them. I just I'm
not going to spend that kind of money on the phone.

Speaker 1 (01:36:53):
It showed you exactly how it works. Thank you, Tony.
Now I get it. In other.

Speaker 13 (01:36:58):
News, I zipped out this newsletter today because I found
it really fascinating. There were a lot of selfie deaths
going on this summer. Okay, there's selfie deaths, there's selfie murders,
there's selfie slips. Some these are slipping from the cracks.
So in Glacier National Park in Montana, this was last week,

(01:37:20):
four people posed for a selfie. One of them fell
off the rock, and two people jumped in the water
to go save this person and went downstream in really
cold water. They got saved. They're fine.

Speaker 1 (01:37:36):
In India, well a seconds, so everybody got shaved or
the first person who felled.

Speaker 13 (01:37:42):
Lost three of them. No, they're all they're all live. Okay,
go ahead, Yeah, they're all good. In India, a young
married couple stopped and went to a bridge to pose
for a selfie, and then the wife went, boom, are
you the guy water?

Speaker 8 (01:37:58):
I'm not.

Speaker 1 (01:38:00):
She pushed him into to his death.

Speaker 8 (01:38:03):
Yes.

Speaker 1 (01:38:04):
Wow. Uh.

Speaker 3 (01:38:08):
In Turkey, there's never been anything like this.

Speaker 1 (01:38:10):
Well in Turkey, come on, holy look at it. Look
at Tony is showing you some of these extreme self
it's this is at the Grand Canyon that looks like,
oh god, and you're that close to the edge. Oh
my god.

Speaker 13 (01:38:28):
Yeah, Mark, do you remember the movie Foreign Correspondent Alfred
Hitchcock nineteen forty. Of course you remember it. And there
was a guy. There was a guy at the Yeah,
there was a guy at the top. Well, there's a
guy at the top of the Empire State Building and
he goes running to go push this guy over the ledge,
except that the guy steps out of the way and
the guy.

Speaker 8 (01:38:48):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (01:38:49):
Also, wow, you're talking to Tony couldn't check on that.
I have my reputation at stake. The one I know
that does have a person being dropped to their death
from a high is Shabatur And I think, well, I think,

(01:39:12):
but maybe it was foreign corresponding. You know, you know
this stuff better than I do.

Speaker 13 (01:39:16):
I know what chat cheep t told me before I
came on the Okay, okay. So in Turkey a couple
went up to a cliff thousand feet up in the air.
She's seven months pregnant. They pose for a bunch of
selfies and then he pushes her. Wow, that is just

(01:39:37):
so wrong. God, that's you awful, That's terrible. And then
there's the animals, when animals attack. In Yellowstone, a guy
posed with a bison for a selfie and the bison
gored him. And he's alive, but he's he's not great.
And then in Florida, some idiot posed for a selfie

(01:39:57):
with a crocodile, an alligator an alligator, and the alligator
got hungry and.

Speaker 8 (01:40:04):
Ate this person's hands.

Speaker 1 (01:40:06):
Wow, that is an extraordinary story. And I you know,
I don't f with animals, man, there, don't f with them.

Speaker 8 (01:40:14):
And be careful with your summer selfies.

Speaker 1 (01:40:17):
Yeah, I guess don't.

Speaker 8 (01:40:20):
Don't.

Speaker 13 (01:40:20):
Don't stand that close to the edge. And if you're
with somebody and having a fight ahead of time, definitely
don't pose her selfie with that person.

Speaker 1 (01:40:28):
Oh my god, these are this is news you can
use as they say. That's right. Are you in for
the rest of the summer or are you oh no,
oh no, You're back out on the road.

Speaker 13 (01:40:38):
Yeah, but it's a short one. I'm going to Scottsdale, Arizona,
July thirtieth and what's in Scottsdale A Best Western? The
sponsor of my series is having a meeting of their
hotel managers and they've invited me to come be part
of it.

Speaker 1 (01:40:54):
And wow, look at you, mister Best Western. I love it. Well.
You can find Jeffer Graham. Photo Walks TV is on YouTube.
Jeff has been a great friend to the show and
helping getting us set up. Now a couple of years
ago when we first came over here to this platform.
He's invading people's space and their homes. He's taking pictures

(01:41:16):
of their house. They come out angrily. Those are some
of the best moments on Photo Walks TV. But he
is just wonderful and I encourage you to check it out.
Jeff thank you for spending a part of your tuesdays
with us. I really do always love seeing you. Thank you,
Thank you, Mark, Jefferson, Graham, everybody right on, right on. Well,

(01:41:37):
I'd love to continue Mark Thompson's show, But I Richard
Delemator says, I said bachas instead of bitches in an
effort to be respectful to the show. But I'm going
to use kitchen from now on or bitching is somebody

(01:41:59):
wants to write, Probably Richard, thank you for the five
dollars super chat, But I'm left confused. I said biacci's
instead of bitches in an effort to be respectful of
the show. That part I get, yeah, but I'm going
to use And then you say kitchen from now on?
Is that? And if so, I always feel like I'm stupid,

(01:42:20):
not hip. So I turned to Kim, who is a
little I.

Speaker 3 (01:42:24):
Think it's a typo.

Speaker 1 (01:42:25):
But yeah, yeah, Heather says Richard, this is no place
for respect or decorum. Yeah, it's true.

Speaker 4 (01:42:37):
Can I roll back to that story we had with
Jim who did the super chat about the Trump uh
walking away with the trophy. Yes, Okay, so here's the story,
and there's a picture of it. But Trump was given
this medal to look at by Gianni Infantino while he
was handing others out to the winning squad at met

(01:42:59):
Life Stadium. The videos show Trump later tucking the medal
into his suit blazer while the FIFA CEO seemingly reached
for it back. Infantino appeared to shrug off the incident,
they say, flashing the thumbs up and allowing Trump to
keep the metal. But people were reacting to the video

(01:43:20):
of this, which went viral over the weekend. They called
it the art of the Steel. There's a picture of
him tucking it into his pocket.

Speaker 1 (01:43:28):
Tony kind of showed a piece of video that kind of.

Speaker 13 (01:43:33):
It.

Speaker 3 (01:43:33):
He was giving it.

Speaker 2 (01:43:34):
I'm sorry that he.

Speaker 4 (01:43:38):
Was given it to look at. No, he just wanted
to keep it.

Speaker 3 (01:43:45):
Yeah, here's what Trump said.

Speaker 4 (01:43:48):
They said, could you hold this trophy for Trump said this.
They said, could you hold this trophy for a little while.
We put it in the oval office, and then I said,
when you're going to pick up the trophy, He says,
We're never going to pick it up. You can have
it forever in the oval office. We're making a new one,
he said, And they actually made a new one. So
that was quite exciting in the Oval office right now.

Speaker 1 (01:44:08):
Well that's what he says, Tony, So I don't know,
I love Yeah, And he's picking up stuff everywhere. He's
got the tesla's they're dropping off on the front lawn,
and he's got these medals. Tony says. He was kind
of given the medal, So Tony h.

Speaker 4 (01:44:21):
He was giving it to look at and he decided
to pocket it instead of hand it back.

Speaker 1 (01:44:26):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:44:26):
Well ya sports and every other website, so.

Speaker 1 (01:44:31):
Yeah, well there you go.

Speaker 8 (01:44:32):
I mean, presentation ceremony.

Speaker 3 (01:44:34):
They'd be like, here, check it out.

Speaker 13 (01:44:35):
They'll be done beforehand.

Speaker 1 (01:44:37):
Well no, but they didn't. I mean, first of all,
I don't know if they had access to him beforehand,
but I mean nothing in the bad planning by FIFA. Well,
the most famous example of what Kim is talking about
is Putin when he was Yeah, he was with the
New England Patriots owner Robert Kraft, and Craft showed him

(01:45:03):
the Super Bowl ring that the team received. Every player
receives the Super Bowl ring after winning the Super Bowl,
and Putin looks at it and literally never gives it
back and took it. Yeah, and that's the highest profile example.

(01:45:24):
If you go back and look at that video, you
can see it. You can see that Putin has taken
this ring, and that Craft has made, you know, no
real effort to you know, jack hammer it out of
his hands. So I'm figuring Tony has it. Yeah, here's
the So there's Putin, a younger Putin, that's Rupert Murdoch

(01:45:46):
in the middle, and Robert Kraft on the left. As
you look at it, and Putin is trying on the
Super Bowl ring. What followed was Putin smoothly just putting
it in his pocket and that was it. Thanks, thanks
so much. There you have it, very very go. They

(01:46:10):
joked about it on the Tom Brady roast, says mo flow. Yeah,
but Kraft wanted to keep his hand. That's why I didn't.
That's why he didn't go after it, says Zero sum Um.
Look with your eyes, not with your hands. Murdoch was
there too, I know. So it's good to be king,
says John Watson. It's good to be the king, Ain't

(01:46:32):
it true? Ain't it true? Mellofidium with a quick five
dollars super chat says Trump is quote the rankest compound
the rankest compound of villainous smell that ever offended nostrils.
That's from William Shakespeare, The Merry Wives of Windsor, Act three,
Scene five, says Melodi. I love that Nila Fidian is

(01:46:53):
insulting Trump with all these Shakespearean phrases. He had one
yesterday too, So he goes to the carry Wives of Windsor.

Speaker 4 (01:47:01):
You need to say that in your British accent.

Speaker 1 (01:47:03):
Yes, the rank is compound of vitinous smell that has
ever offended nostril. There, yeah, there it is. Um. That's
pretty great, Thank you, nullifidiant, And that I think discharges
my responsibilities in terms of reading everything that was sent

(01:47:24):
in good all right. Tomorrow on the show, John Rothman
joins us, and we can follow up on any number
of things related to tariffs, also related to immigration policy
and more. I'm looking forward to a spirited conversation.

Speaker 3 (01:47:40):
With John and Belinda. Weymouth is back.

Speaker 1 (01:47:42):
Belinda is bat The environment fully under attack from this administration, sadly,
and any number of policies that are now going into
effect roll back many of the improvements made. But maybe
there'll be some good news in all of this. The

(01:48:05):
interesting thing that's going on at NOAH where they defunded
essentially Nationalciantic Atmospheric Administration and the National Weather Service in
the shadow of the Texas tragedy. Now they're looking at
warnings and severe weather warnings and trying to see if
there's money that they may be able to redirect to
kind of bolster that agency. But the one thing they're

(01:48:26):
resolved on, and they are completely firm on, is getting
rid of any sort of climate analysis, scientist or other
perspective associated with climate and even keeping data on climate
at that agency. They don't want the US government keeping

(01:48:48):
track of what is the greatest threat to our society,
ongoing threat to our society that we've ever confronted. They
don't want any kind of data on it. It's a
remarkable thing. Just when you're buildings, let's I'm leaving a
side policy, but when you're building sea walls and you're
looking at movements and possible climate modifications that you have

(01:49:10):
to make societally, you know, in terms of the way
you build things, you need this data. And Trump administration
has erased it. They view it as a political thing.

Speaker 4 (01:49:20):
So there's a Senator Maria Cantwell who is saying that
it's the federal government's responsibility to improve forecasting systems and
prevent future disaster. She said, it's not a community to
community forecast. This is national forecast and it's the government's
responsibility to do it and do it well.

Speaker 1 (01:49:39):
She's right, She's absolutely right. It's it's a real problem,
and it's it's again. I put it in the category
of governmental malpractice not to follow it and not to
do something about it. So thanks everybody who has been
part of the show today. Jefferson Graham, thank you for

(01:50:01):
stopping through. I really enjoyed talking to doctor Rob Davidson.
We'll have a link to his website under this show
and under the breakout video as well, of course the
great David K. Johnston and all of you who supported
and contributed. I'm not talking about money. I'm talking about
just in the ways in which you add thoughts at reactions,

(01:50:24):
you share the show. Those are all things that help
us in this wild universe of YouTube. Kim is doing
the after Party Live. She shows up dutifully forward after
this show over on the after Party Live channel and
check her out. Tony, You're done for the week, But
it was great to have you here. You're always so
great with the hustleman. Great you all right, Thanks everyone,

(01:50:48):
and until tomorrow the Great Shadow Stephen.

Speaker 2 (01:50:51):
I'm Shower Stevens for the Mark Johnson Show, Bumba.

Speaker 1 (01:50:55):
Thank you for asking about my back. It's still hurting,
but I'm hoping that I get a little bit better
for the rest of the week. Thank you, until tomorrow,
Bye bye

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