Trump Flails, Bondi Fires Epstein Prosecutor & Musk Mocks Trump 7/17/25

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Oh, thank you everyone. Sorry for the way I was
waiting for the hair and makeup people, and then I
realized I don't have any hair and makeup people, and
that's how right. I know, Well that was my old
life on television. Now I just yeah, I sit there
in front of the mirror and I lament the way
I look now. So it's a kind of a different

(00:20):
program really, But I'm so happy that I'm joined by
my colleagues. You know, I always say it's all about
your colleagues, don't you also.

Speaker 2 (00:31):
Who is having that conversation?

Speaker 1 (00:33):
You're right, I never say it, but it is still
nice to have Albert here, Thank you, and Kim here,
how are you? And Kim has been dutifully working to
put this show together and give it a coherence alongside Albert,
and I think we have a really terrific program for
you that we'll touch on a lot of the things
that Ale America at the moment will get into the

(00:55):
Epstein thing heavily because of the political ramifications. And let me,
I'll tell you I have a forecast of shorts on
what will happen with the Epstein probe and the Epstein
conversation and the way it's eroded a lot of the
Trump base and how he'll try to seize this moment

(01:16):
in a special way. So I'm going to get into
that forecast a bit. We'll also talk to David Katch,
the former federal prosecutor now defense attorney in southern California.
He will give us the latest. We have some high
profile Scotist decisions that he'll get to, and I'll also

(01:40):
ask him to comment on the nomination and confirmation process
of Beauvey, the lawyer that was the personal attorney of
Donald Trump. He's a Trump loyalist and he may put
the l and loyalist, and what happened at his conferencemation

(02:00):
hearing is something that you need to hear. And we'll
give you a little something from Sheldon white House, who is,
as you know, very high profile member of the Senate
Judiciary Committee and involved in that confirmation process, who speaks
to why Democrats walked out of the Bove confirmation. I

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also have any manner of other stories that at the
moment affect America immigration lawsuits related to immigration lawsuits related
to the way that immigration ICE agents have pursued arrests
in any number of cities, including Los Angeles and Camillo.

(02:46):
And there's a lawsuit going on right now about Alligator Alcatraz.
You know that place down that concentration camp in Florida.
So we'll get to all of that. So promise to
get to it all first into the supersticker game. Is
Wes theory? Yeah, thank you, big shout out to us
or an og really appreciate your support. Kean is it Keana?

(03:12):
You think I love this name? It's almost Hawaiian, isn't it?
Kiana K? Or what would you call that?

Speaker 2 (03:16):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (03:17):
Kan a K Kiana K. Saw Mark last night on
an episode of Nip Tuck. It was the Mark Thompson voice.
I recognized. Wow, that's very impressive. You know, that's really
kind of a big deal. I did the Nip Tuck.
I forgot it was on Nip Tuck. That's right, Albert.
Do you think I was going for a nip or
a tuck? You have two choices three. You also have

(03:40):
the choice of neither nip nor tuck.

Speaker 3 (03:43):
That was that show on FX before.

Speaker 1 (03:45):
That's right. It was a hot show for a while
for like five seasons. I think neither is the answer.

Speaker 4 (03:50):
I was there.

Speaker 1 (03:51):
I think as a neither a nipper or a tucker.
But it's nice that Kiana found my distinguished work, some
of my best work on nip tuck. Speaking of nipping
and tucking, we will get into White House statements around
the Epstein controversy. You saw that Cuomo is now going

(04:19):
to run as an independent in New York. Isn't that
what he's saying? Just I was looking at Yeah, he didn't.

Speaker 2 (04:24):
He is not letting the fact that he did not
win the Democratic primary stop him and instead, yeah, didn't
vote for me. Well, guess what, I'll run out as
a third party.

Speaker 5 (04:35):
Then I do hug and kiss people casual.

Speaker 1 (04:40):
Right, and when you're hugging and kissing, maybe he'll run
on the hug and kiss casually platform.

Speaker 2 (04:46):
You do need to And did that miss Senator Lieberman?
Didn't he do that too?

Speaker 6 (04:51):
Oh?

Speaker 1 (04:51):
Is that right? I remember? Y? Wow, that's that's pretty wild.
But he did well, it's all.

Speaker 2 (04:57):
He did a launch video for his you know, I'm
going to run as an indivitor.

Speaker 1 (05:02):
Oh, here he is. I do want him and kiss.

Speaker 2 (05:07):
No, go ahead, before we play it. I just want
to note that he had posted this campaign video and
his his rival Mamdanni, posted a link to donate money
to his campaign in the response. Okay, Mamdannie's response to

(05:27):
this video got ninety five thousand likes. Cuomo's original video
twenty nine hundred, So that's a big difference.

Speaker 1 (05:35):
Yeah, he's really This is a guy who's clinging to
the dream. God, do you should we watch it? Maybe?

Speaker 5 (05:41):
I'm Andrew Cuomo, And unless you've been living under a rock,
you probably know that the Democratic primary did not go
the way I had hoped to. The four hundred and
forty thousand New Yorkers who voted for me, a sincere
thank you, Thank you for believing in me, in my
agenda and in my experience, and I am truly sorry

(06:02):
that I let you down. But as my grandfather used
to say, when you get knocked down, learn the lesson
and pick yourself back up and get in the game.
And that is what I'm going to do. The fight
to save our city isn't over. Only thirteen percent of
New Yorkers voted in the June primary. The general election
is in November, and I am in.

Speaker 4 (06:23):
It to win it.

Speaker 5 (06:25):
My oppintment that for slick slogans but no real solutions.
We need a city with lower rents, safer streets, where
buying your first home is once again possible, where childcare
won't bankrupt you. That's the New York City, we know.
That's the one that is still possible.

Speaker 1 (06:45):
Well, that's actually not the city that you know that
like to have. And Thato was ourn't solutions you're suggesting
those are just that's a list of problems. But anyway,
good luck.

Speaker 4 (06:54):
I do hug and kiss people casually.

Speaker 1 (06:59):
Okay, So, how are you.

Speaker 2 (07:00):
Going to make New York City, the most expensive housing
market in the United States affordable for first time home
buyers and family?

Speaker 6 (07:08):
Are you kidding?

Speaker 1 (07:09):
Yeah? I mean the one thing I would say just
about this New York gerson, I want to move on.
I just it's interesting that Cuomo just will not let
go of it. I do think we've talked about it before.
I think it's instructive from the standpoint of politics generally
in America, a local and national that somebody like Mondamie
can punch through because he's punching through with real world solutions.

(07:30):
I mean, they're real ideas that you can consider them radical.
But as we were discussing here, I think with David Katz,
you know, a complete freeze on rents Now I'm not
saying it's a good idea, bad idea, but it's really
not that radical an idea because you're talking about the
same areas that already have rent control and I think
there's a three percent increase on rent, so you're going

(07:52):
from three percent to zero percent. That's not a radical change.
But anyway, the idea of a freeze on rants and
then free public transportation, you make the MTA free, those
are ideas that make New York more affordable. What you see,
at least in that spot that Cuomo is doing is

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you just see a list of you know, these things
that ail New York City. And that's just not going
to get the job done. I mean, witness the kind
of anemic performance that he had. So and the reason
that it's instructive mandami just to put a clean finish
on it is real ideas they do punch through. You know,

(08:35):
Trump is a fake populist, right he suggested all of
these things that he was going to do for his people.
He won a national election that way twice. Now, a
lot of what he does is he calls out the
opposition with baldface lies about the opposition. He calls out

(08:55):
the opposition in angry tones, name calling. That sort of
rhetoric usually doesn't carry the day, but he does it
in a way that suggests when you add the con
to it, which is, I'm going to cure your ills
on day one, take this magic Trump pill, and there'll

(09:18):
be no more inflation, no more wars. You'll live in
a big mansion like mine. Oh my god, we're winning, winning, winning,
And enough people swallow that crap, or they're frustrated with
their own situation and the current leadership that they vote
for that crap and he wins. But my point is
simply it does punch through solutions, even if you might

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consider them ludicrous, undoable, but it shows that you're thinking anyway.
That's what's happening in New York, and I think Mandami
is sort of falling into that latter category of these
bold solutions. Look, if you can claim the title of
a socialist and still carry the sort of support that
he does, that speaks to the frustration of New Yorkers,

(10:03):
and that speaks to you doing something right. And Mandami
a flooding social media walking among New Yorkers, not just
for a commercial, but there's a sense that he's living
the New York experience, so I think there's a lot
of that going on. Anyway, I wish them all well
and much hugging and kissing. To be I knew I

(10:27):
got it people casually. All right, Mark Thompson Show, let's
get into it. First of all, I wanted to mention
there was a big quake in Alaska. Yeah, it was
almost an eight, oh quite seven point eight.

Speaker 2 (10:42):
Yeah, it was a big one.

Speaker 1 (10:45):
Tsunami warnings, no damage.

Speaker 2 (10:51):
They had the tsunami sirens go off in Kodiak, Alaska.
You could hear them all over the place. Guess what
we still don't have in San Francisco on an earthquake sirens?

Speaker 6 (11:03):
Thank you. I mean, here we are.

Speaker 2 (11:06):
Earthquake country on the coast and they can't figure out
this whole siren situation.

Speaker 1 (11:12):
It really is true. I mean, how can you have
the kind of threat that these coastal cities have presented
by tsunamis and have no sirens.

Speaker 4 (11:23):
I don't really do this to me all the time.

Speaker 1 (11:24):
I don't know what the hell is doing the sirens.
The tsunami sirens not in place.

Speaker 2 (11:30):
That's Kodiak Alaska.

Speaker 1 (11:31):
Listen to Kodiak Alaska. If you're just listening. You're seeing
sort of an Alaskan scene, a lot of green trees, and.

Speaker 2 (11:43):
That's how you do it.

Speaker 1 (11:45):
Dude. That's eerie to hear that siren, isn't it. I
mean that's really like, oh my god, that's just.

Speaker 2 (11:50):
A higher ground. Yeah, you know what. You want to
hear that when there's a chance that the tsunami could
be coming. Yeah, in San Francisco, good luck, you're on
your own.

Speaker 1 (12:00):
Well, you're on your own, and a lot of stuff
in San Francisco.

Speaker 2 (12:03):
They worried.

Speaker 1 (12:04):
And I love San Francisco, but it just is.

Speaker 2 (12:07):
They worried that the tsunami warnings system they used to
test it every Friday at noon, and they worried that
it could be hacked. So they, I guess took it
down because of that. And then there's all kinds of
you know, monetary concerns and infighting about what to do
about it.

Speaker 1 (12:22):
So there we have monetary concerns I think lead that parade.
So Mark Thompson show, let's get into the mess that
is the controversy that has engulfed this president in this
administration around Jeffrey Epstein. Jeffrey Epstein was a horrible guy.
He was also an immensely powerful guy when you consider

(12:47):
the connective tissue that was Jeffrey Epstein and all of
the people around him, some of the most powerful people
in the world. Bill Clinton frequented Jeffrey Epstein's flights to
various exotic ports of call. It's been suggested he went

(13:08):
to Thailand with him also the Epstein Island, Clinton was there,
Bill Gates at Hoodbarack the of course Prince Andrew, Prince
Andrew was that the guy I always get my Prince's
confused and so on. And then financiers. I'm leaving out

(13:33):
Wexhel who had the fortune that Epstein was supposedly in
charge of, and many other Wall streeters and big money people,
and these financiers were all connected to Jeffrey Epstein in
one way or another. Were business deals made, probably, but
there was also at the core of Jeffrey Epstein's world
was the trafficking of miners and the trafficking of these

(13:57):
underage people, girls and boys. And the revelations around Jeffrey
Epstein are known in part, but there is a whole
file on Jeffrey Epstein. There's no question that there's a file,
right we know this, yes, thousands of pages, not just
a thousand page, but thousands, and we know this from depositions, photographs,

(14:25):
witness testimony. It's all there. It's undeniably there. And this
isn't a file that was put together by Democrats. The
charging of Jeffrey Epstein that ultimately led to his death
happened under Donald Trump. In fact, this is how crazy

(14:47):
this magaverse is and the defense of Donald Trump, when
they circle their wagons, they lose track of what they're saying.
Even Magoworld is angry about this. Show me first, if
you would, Albert Trump's remarks, and then I'm going to
show you how Bill O'Reilly, who's a big defender of Trump,

(15:08):
it would seem, gets confused about the timeline himself and
trying to blame Democrats, and they realize in the moment
you'll see it, in a moment, he realized, oh gosh,
it's not on the democrats watch that all this stuff happened,
the cover up start to finish, that is to say,

(15:30):
the suicide, the files, it all happened on Trump's watch.
But first, here's Trump in the White House.

Speaker 7 (15:39):
President Trump lashing out at his own supporters, amid the
ongoing Republican outcry over his administration's decision not to release
Justice Department files related to convicted sex offender Jeffrey Epstein.

Speaker 8 (15:51):
I lost a lot of faith at the setting people.

Speaker 9 (15:53):
And yeah, I'd lost because they got duped by the Democrats.

Speaker 7 (15:57):
The President dismissing the interest by some in the mag
of World in Epstein as a democratic distraction and chastising
those supporters as quote weaklings.

Speaker 9 (16:05):
It's all been a big hoax. It's perpetrated by the Democrats,
and some stupid Republicans and foolish Republicans fall into the net,
and so they try and do the Democrats work.

Speaker 8 (16:16):
They're wasting that time with a guy who obviously has
some very serious problems, who died three or four years ago.
I'd rather talk about the success we have with the economy,
the best we've ever had, and all of the things
we've done, including in the Middle East.

Speaker 7 (16:34):
But the demands for public disclosure of Epstein related evidence
originated with some of the president's most outspoken supporters, some
now serving in his administration, like FBI Director Cash Pattel
two years ago.

Speaker 4 (16:46):
Put on your big boy pants and let us know
who the pedophiles.

Speaker 7 (16:49):
Are this from the president's son.

Speaker 10 (16:51):
How is it that my father could be convicted of
thirty four crimes but no one on Epstin's list has even.

Speaker 6 (17:00):
Been brought to light?

Speaker 7 (17:01):
And this was the president during the campaign.

Speaker 4 (17:03):
Would you declassify the Epstein files? Yeah, yeah, I would.
I guess I would.

Speaker 9 (17:09):
I think that less so because you know, you don't
know if you don't want to affect people's lives of
its phony stuff in there, because it's a lot of
phony stuff with that whole world.

Speaker 4 (17:18):
But I think I would.

Speaker 7 (17:19):
But last week, the Justice Department and FBI released a
memo saying they had found no incriminating client list of
Epstein's and no credible evidence Epstein blackmailed prominent individuals, and
that they would make no further disclosure. Multiple federal law
enforcement officials tell NBC News that memo accurately describes the
findings of law enforcement in the Epstein investigation, the President

(17:41):
saying it's up to Attorney General Pam Bondi whether to
release the material.

Speaker 9 (17:45):
If she finds any more credible information, she'll give that too.
What more can she do than that?

Speaker 4 (17:50):
I mean, honestly, what more can she do? And we
do have bigger problems.

Speaker 7 (17:54):
We pressed him here, Attarney, General wasn't here your FBI leadership.
You still have confidence in that team service totally. Now
some top Republicans are downplaying any GOP divide.

Speaker 4 (18:04):
I have confidence in the President his team.

Speaker 7 (18:06):
But after an array of outspoken Trump allies demanded the
files be made public, there are more calls for the
government information to be released.

Speaker 4 (18:14):
The same files need to be released. I would say,
make it, make it all public.

Speaker 1 (18:18):
And okay, that's the overview. So you see how magination.
Both those in power and those who remark on power
and those who gave Trump power the electorate, they're angry.
And you find, as I say, this odd thing that
happens as they circle their wagons around Trump to try

(18:41):
to defend him. The timeline just doesn't work out. The
cover up with Epstein's suicide and then subsequent revelations about
what he was awaiting trial for. It all happened on
Trump's watch. The cover up up. If you want to
see it as a cover up, and I think it

(19:03):
clearly is. It happened on Trump's watch. But watch now,
this is a little lengthy clip, so stay with it.
Watch as Bill O'Reilly tries to blame Democrats and is
in denial of this timeline that I just described. Go ahead, Albert, why.

Speaker 11 (19:21):
Couldn't Why couldn't PAMBONDI say, if people are going to
trust Donald Trump, and they should trust the government, and say, look,
don't know. Here the Epstein file. Hold on, here are
the Epstein files. And yes, there's a lot of names.
And by the way, we've investigated all of them, and
we've cleared all of them. None of them have engaged
in wrongdoing. Some have something about this, And I think

(19:42):
what you said in the first part is actually what
makes the most sense. This is a mystery. There's all
sorts of explanations flying around and justifications, but there aren't
any real answers.

Speaker 10 (19:54):
Lookily, there's a reason why all criminal investigations are redacted
when there is no prosecution. Okay, but you can release
names of somebody under investigation. That is absolutely legitimate to do.
But in this case, as I pointed out fifty thousand times,

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and as you well know, the press is not going
to apply any context, nor are the gutt snipes on
social media. If your name is in the Epstein file
or papers, you're going to be attacked period. That is
what's going to happen.

Speaker 4 (20:34):
And Trump knows that.

Speaker 10 (20:37):
So I concur with him one hundred percent that you
don't throw names out there unless there's some kind of
guilt or investigation attached to them. But it is a mystery,
and I think not a smart thing to create the
perception that the Trump administration is hiding something, and that

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is the perception that is out there now tomorrow. If
I were president, I would say to miss BONDI you
get Merrick Garland. We'll call him up if we can
find out where he is, and you tool answer general
questions which you and you.

Speaker 2 (21:17):
And I know Garland's not going to show up.

Speaker 11 (21:19):
But the people who are showing embarrassing the people who
are showing up are Democrats on this issue, We'll play hikeem. Jefferies,
take a listen.

Speaker 1 (21:31):
This is where things start to get pretty intense with O'Reilly.
American people deserve to know the truth. What if anything
is a Trump administration and the Department of Justice hiding
all right.

Speaker 11 (21:43):
Then Van Holland appropriations, amendmuth provisions.

Speaker 10 (21:47):
Before you wait, wait, before you get to anybody else,
come back to me. I want to address the minority
leader in the House. This is how disingenuous that comment was,
and this is what infuriates me about these people. Jeffries
knew the Biden administration had exactly the same thing the

(22:09):
Trump administration has on Epstein, exactly right, because Epstein was
convicted during the Biden administrations. Not one time did that
King Jeffrey call for any exposition of what the Biden
Justice department knew.

Speaker 1 (22:25):
Not once.

Speaker 10 (22:26):
So this guy's a top phony Okay, he's a political player.
He doesn't care about the truth, he doesn't.

Speaker 11 (22:33):
Care about hold on, Bill, hold on. You said Epstein
was convicted during the Biden administration. Epstein committed suicide during
the Trump administration. Yeah, so how is he convicted?

Speaker 10 (22:47):
How it's convicted in two I believe, Okay, under Merrick
Garland's Justice department. That could be am I wrong on that,
I don't think so. And then he was incarcerated and
then he committed suicide.

Speaker 1 (23:05):
Okay.

Speaker 10 (23:06):
The suicide thing is bull I know the New York
car in his office very very well. There's no way, though,
people in there put a phony report about a suicide.
No way, impossible, And it's not hard to ascertain with you.

Speaker 11 (23:21):
Yeah, I think this is important, Bill, I think this
is important. He was arrested in twenty nineteen, and he
committed suicide in twenty nineteen. He died August tenth of
twenty nineteen. So the Biden administration was not involved in
a conviction or a trial of him. They were in
the of his madam of Elaine Magswell.

Speaker 10 (23:42):
And that's a good point of clarification. But he was
arrested and indicted under Merrick Garland.

Speaker 4 (23:49):
No under Trump, who had all under Trump.

Speaker 11 (23:52):
Under Epstein was arrested, indicted, and committed suicide under Trump
in twenty nineteen. Trump was president. Merrick Garland was not
the attorney general.

Speaker 10 (24:04):
Okay, I stand correctly, so nineteen, but that came into
first Trump administration, correct.

Speaker 11 (24:11):
Yeah, Bill Barr was the attorney general. Bill Barr was
the guy who ordered the investigation into the suspected suicide.

Speaker 10 (24:18):
Right, but then for four years? Okay, did you hear
Kumy Jeffries?

Speaker 1 (24:23):
Right? Thank you, Albert that. I just love for the
fact that the Google it exactly.

Speaker 2 (24:29):
Sounded really good until you got fact checked live on
the air.

Speaker 1 (24:33):
Yeah, I mean you see how this store bought rage
that they're all loaded up with and you know this
kind of recriminatory anger that But how about how can
they yell about this when this happened on their watch?
Bill it didn't. But the reason that O'Reilly, first of all,
that's delicious to watch O'Reilly get owned like that and

(24:55):
to see someone like Bill O'Reilly who fancies him from
sort of coming from on high to give you his
opinions on any number of things, and to really go
on the jihad for the President Trump to defend him,
not have his basic facts and timeline straight. It's crazy.

(25:16):
So exactly O'Reilly loves Trump, says Shadow producer Calvin Wong.
So Bill O'Reilly, though, is just an example of what's
happening as there is thinner and thinner ice when it
comes to trying to defend Donald Trump. Donald Trump is
all over the Jeffrey Epstein files. They hung out together

(25:40):
all the time, not saying that Donald Trump was involved
in any pedophilia or any of this stuff that's being
clearly demonstrably talked about in these Epstein files. As I say,
the files are filled with depositions, investigation that involve witnesses,
all of these different materi burials. So we know what

(26:02):
Epstein was about, and we can put together, based again
on witness testimony, on depositions, et cetera. What actly were
you know? There were civil lawsuits about this. This stuff
is available. We know in part fragments of what is
in all of these files that people would like to
see released. And it's really damning stuff. But it's damning

(26:22):
about Epstein and then by suggestion, all of these other
people that he was involved with, although some of those
people he was involved with, and I'll include the Dershowitzes
of the world, I mean, they are mentioned in these
depositions in really damning ways. So let me just get
back to Trump's problem. Trump's problem is that he is

(26:44):
throughout these files, as I say, and so the release
of these files is going to have his name all
over it like a bad smell. He knows it, Bondi
knows it, Patel knows it, Bongino knows it. Now what
where here? We promised we'd release them, but the King
is all over the files. Don't know what to do?

(27:10):
Here is what Maga nation in the form of the
Candace Owens of the world. Where's that mash up? Albert,
the Alex Jones Candace Owens, can you give me a
little bit of that. These guys are, they're on blast
about this. Here's a little of Alex Jones.

Speaker 4 (27:29):
You talk about this, I'm going to excommunicate you.

Speaker 1 (27:32):
Well, you're not the public.

Speaker 7 (27:35):
Millions of Americans are not satisfied with what we've been told,
and we shouldn't be because it's been contradictory and insulting
to our intelligence every step of the way.

Speaker 11 (27:44):
Trump should not be insulting and attacking the people who
voted him in and supported.

Speaker 10 (27:47):
Him simply because they want answers on this notorious case
of a high profile individual.

Speaker 4 (27:53):
Why did they say there was thousands of hours of
tapes of people doing horrible Why did they say.

Speaker 12 (27:59):
That, I can't reconcile this Donald Trump with the Trump
that we're seeing right now, the Trump that is gas
lighting the public right now, the Trump that I voted
for across multiple elections. The Epstein scandal is definitely trotal
cancer to Trump's mega movement.

Speaker 1 (28:14):
Yeah, and so what does happen to Donald Trump? What
does happen politically as he takes on so much water
as a result of this scandal.

Speaker 2 (28:27):
I mean, did you see that the MAGA are turning
on the as you just kind of played in that video,
Magar are turning on themselves. They're not giving up. But
there's a video I saw in the Guardian US version
today where Maga Faithful are burning their Maga hats because
they're so upset over this whole Epstein thing that they're

(28:50):
they're throwing them in the fire pit and they're setting
their Maga hats on fire. This isn't it.

Speaker 1 (28:59):
I mean, this is a dissolusion group. They see that,
you know, here comes the new boss, same as the
old boss. It's odd to me because if you just
looked at the arithmetic and the calendar, you would have
seen that the new boss Donald Trump, when he was
the new boss in his first term, he had total

(29:19):
control over the Epstein files. The lie, if you will,
about Epstein's suicide in prison, now covered by a three
minute gap in the surveillance video of the prison, completely
buried by those in power at the time. There were

(29:41):
showing you the burning of the Maga hats, but they
would realize that he was involved. He was the lead
official and top executive in America. Donald Trump was during
this entire time that Epstein was incarcerated awaiting trial, and
then committed suicide. And so when you look at cover up,
you have to look at Trump one season one, when

(30:05):
he was, as I say, in control of all the information.
Now that he's back in power, he's continuing where he
left off. And the problem is, in those intervening years,
there was so much of a cry for transparency, and
Trump himself and you saw his son calling for transparency

(30:27):
as well. They made it clear they were going to
release all of these files along with all the files
on MLK, jfk UFOs, etc. So what do you do
You realize on some level, this guy's a fraud. Now,
I'd suggest he's a fraud on things way more important.

(30:47):
I mean, please don't misunderstand me. I don't mean to
diminish the real victims of Jeffrey Epstein. But in terms
of what's happening in America and worldwide, Donald Trump has
fraudulently pursued a message about how he's going to change things,
how he's going to improve life in America. And that
was all a fraud, I'd suggest, But the fraud that

(31:11):
was associated with that didn't really pune through to MAGA.
They were about other things they whatever cultural wedge issues,
these sorts of things. But now, as I always say,
sex scandals really do cut through. People understand them. People
become irate appropriately in this case because it involves children.

(31:33):
Children are involved here, and you have Donald Trump continuing
this cover up. And it's no wonder he's continuing it
because he is all over those files, not saying he
was involved with children, but what I'm saying is most
clearly and he admitted to it and talked about it.
He was involved with Jeffrey Epstein. They were pals, they

(31:55):
were international playboys, and so hanging out with this guy who,
on some level you're aware, and if you're not aware
at the time, you're certainly aware now that you've seen
all the information and investigative work is involved with children
in this way and trafficking them. It's a really ugly smell,

(32:21):
and it's getting all over Donald Trump.

Speaker 2 (32:24):
Do you remember before the election both elections with involving Trump,
when he or at least the second one, when he
started laying no both he started laying the groundwork early
for you know, there's going to be cheating before any
votes were even cast. It's almost like he was looking

(32:45):
for a way out. He was looking for an excuse,
he was looking to blame someone for him losing before
the election even happened. It feels like yesterday when Trump
blamed Obama and Biden for he said, listen, if the
documents or the files are even released, they're not even

(33:05):
going to be reliable because you know Obama and Biden
they have manipulated the files. Now, so anything in those
files can't be trusted because the Democrats have their hands
all over them. It's almost like another preemptive strike, like
he knows what you just said, that his names are
going to be all over these files. So he's looking

(33:26):
for a way of saying, see, now, even if my
name's all over the files, you know, the files can't
be trusted because of the Democrats.

Speaker 1 (33:33):
Yes, I think that's exactly right. That's exactly what's happening.
I mean, there are a couple of things, and I
will get to what I think is an even more
dangerous strategy or another strategy that he will pursue. But
certainly the short term strategy is it's a Democrat and
he will say Democrat hoax, right, Democratic concocted hoax. Now,
this is their new hoax. To put me throughout the files.

(33:56):
I would say one important thing to that, sir, you
have control of the files. You couldn't have put together
an administration more loyal than the one you have. You
have Patel Bondi who will do whatever you want. You
have the Justice Department completely filled with Trump loyalists. There's

(34:16):
no way there's anything in those files that's concocted by Democrats,
because no Democrats have control over anything anymore. You're in control.
So that is really a weak argument for what will
likely be if we get to see anything. The revelations

(34:37):
about the amount of time that Donald Trump spent with
Jeffrey Epstein. He was on the plane and with Epstein
all the effing time, and that then really won't carry
the day, and many know it, and among them Elon Musk,
in a series of posts on his social media platform x,

(34:58):
Musk mocked Trump and the wild claim that the files
related to the federal investigation of Jeffrey Epstein, the late
sex offender longtime Trump friend, are a hoax from democrats.
Quote wow, amazing that Epstein quote killed himself and Galaine

(35:19):
is in federal prison for a hoax, Musk wrote, and
this again speaks to the absurdity of it. Not a
single Epstein client has been prosecuted, not a single one,
said Elon Musk. And in response to Tim Poole, who's

(35:40):
a far right podcaster, Trump is trying to nuke his
base by insisting that any of his supporters who bought
into a hoax created by Democrats were weaklings. Musk wrote
he should just release the files and point out which
part is the hoax. Elsewhere on Musk's platform, Theo Vaughn

(36:07):
shared video of JD Vance agreeing with him in an
old interview, quote, Seriously, we need to release the Epstein list.
This is an important thing, and Vaughn says, what changed?
So you really see the way in which Trump takes

(36:28):
on more and more water, Mike Pence saying it's time
to release the files, and then Trump with all kinds
of weird posts to try to throw people off the
scent about Jeffrey Epstein. For example, there was this crazy

(36:49):
declaration that Trump made about Coca Cola. Wasn't it yesterday
on X Yeah you have that, Albert, it's in the rundown.
If it's this is I'll just read it for those
who are listening to the podcast. I've been speaking to
Coca Cola about using in capital letters real caine sugar
in coke in the United States, and they have agreed

(37:11):
to do so. I like to thank all of those
in authority at Coca Cola. This will be a very
good move by them. You'll see, it's just better. But
that was retweeted by Gavin Newsom who said, oh thank god,
I've totally forgotten about the Epstein files now. So there

(37:33):
is Trump drinking his delicious Coca Cola while golfing. So
let me tell you what I think will happen also,
just to round this out, and then we'll move on
Trump's desperate. Trump is someone who is not going to
ever admit blame, not going to ever do anything but

(37:55):
try to point to others, and he's not going to
do anything apart from trying to distract. So the distraction
that's likely coming, I think is a special prosecutor, not
about the Epstein files. He doesn't want a special prosecutor
on the Epstein files. That's been suggested by so many.

Speaker 2 (38:18):
Lauren Bobert apparently is asking for that.

Speaker 1 (38:20):
I mean, it's just absurd. He wants this Epstein file,
he wants it deep sixth somewhere. But I do believe
that he will begin his move against people like call
Mey and Brennan, who he's already targeted, and other high

(38:42):
profile Democrats. He'll go back to Hillary Clinton in the
twenty sixteen election. He'll attack the Biden family more. He'll
assign Justice Department lawyers to those kinds of cases, trying
to elevate them. He'll go after Adam Schiff and anybody
who can help to throw the Mago world off the

(39:07):
scent of Jeffrey Epstein. That's what I think is going
to happen. You're going to see a lot more in
the way of investigations that are associated with high profile Democrats.
He's going to try to create a scandal for the
Democrats to throw the media and as I say, this

(39:29):
mob that wants the files released to throw them off
that scent. So watch for that. I think it is coming.
And then the last thing I'll point to is what
happened yesterday. He dumped James Comey's daughter, who was apparently

(39:49):
a distinguished prosecutor in the Southern District of New York.
I say that because apparently, if you look at her
record in the Southern District. It was distinguished over a
ten year period. He fired her. I mean she was fired,
I should say, I'm sure she was fired though at
the request and the demand of the President of the

(40:10):
United States. So you see how the play. He hates
James Comy. By the way, I don't like James Comy.
I think he threw the election for Donald Trump. It's
such a weird thing that James Comy is on his
enemy's list, given the fact that James Comy is maybe
one of the reasons that he became president. I mean,
I think you can argue it. When Comy makes the

(40:31):
announcement the FBI makes the announcement that they're reopening an
investigation into Hillary Clinton and her emails and the email server.
Ten days he makes an announcement before the election. Come on, man.
So I'm not a Komy fan either, but Trump is. Again,
he wants Comy and he wants anything related to Comy,

(40:54):
and as a result, he dumped or saw to it
that Comee's daughter was dumb from the Southern District as
a prosecutor. So I'll get David Catz to comment on that,
but I think that's essentially the overview. I leave anything out.
Albert on the was there any other video I wanted
to show or not? Albert has here? He is this

(41:21):
is Oh, this is from Lawrence O'Donnell last night. Is
that what this is? This is sent to me by
one of our viewers and listeners, and let's give it
a look real quick.

Speaker 9 (41:32):
Instead, they want to talk about the epistein Hoaks, and
the sad part is it's people that are really doing
the Democrats work.

Speaker 4 (41:41):
There's stupid people.

Speaker 13 (41:44):
They're stupid people. He's talking about Republicans and no, the
sad part is not that we're talking about the Epstein files.
The sad part is what happened to those little girls
on Donald Trump's friend Jeffrey Epstein got his hands on them.

(42:05):
Michael Flynn served twenty four days as Donald Trump's first
national security advisor before being fired by Donald Trump and
then convicted of federal crimes, for which Donald Trump, of
course pardoned him. Today, Michael Flynn wrote this on social media.

Speaker 1 (42:19):
Oh stuff. For a second, I just want to say
this other Michael Flynn too. Michael Flynn, just give me
ten seconds on Michael Flynn. Michael Flynn is an awful guy.
He's a Christian fascist. He is a gee hottist. He
would like to make America a Christian nation. He clearly
was in the league, it would seem with the Russians.
Both Obama felt that way. Ultimately Trump fired him as

(42:41):
well as you just heard o'donald say, so when we
talk to Michael Flynn, please, I don't want to lift
Michael Flynn to some level of holiness. He is not
worthy of that. But look at what he wrote. Go ahead, Olart,
Donald Trump.

Speaker 13 (42:57):
I hesitated to write this, however, with the utmost respect
and deference to you for all you've withstood. Few know
it better than me what the deep state can do
when they want to turn on a person. The Epstein
affair is not about who killed him or if he
committed suicide. Personally, I'm glad this known pedophile is dead,

(43:18):
but neither is this a hoax. This issue goes beyond
all that. There are millions of Americans who have overwhelmingly
voted for you to be our president, and we want
you to be massively successful, no one more than me.
All we want at this stage is for a modicum
of trust to be re established between our federal government

(43:39):
and the people. It is designed to serve. That's all, period,
exclamation point. An element that is of great importance surrounding
this Epstein affair is the fact this man was a
known pedophile, had a list of clients who represented the
upper crust of society, and likely did untoward things to
children his island, in his homes in New York City

(44:03):
and New Mexico and maybe elsewhere. He was convicted of it.
Regardless of what class of society abuses and commits crimes
against children, it is never acceptable. This is where this
argument went off the rails. It is not about Epstein
or the left. It is about committing crimes against children.
If there are leaks inside of our country that have

(44:26):
committed crimes against children, shame on them. They must be
held accountable. The sampling of Trump supporting media today was
not supportive of Donald Trump on the Epstein files. Alex
Jones spoke directly and hysterically to Donald Trump on his program,

(44:49):
you have put the gun in your mouth and ours collectively.

Speaker 3 (44:53):
Stop it, stop it stop stop stop.

Speaker 1 (45:03):
For God's sakes, don't attack your constituents. But they have
morals and aren't robots. All right, Jerry, you just.

Speaker 2 (45:14):
Hear Alex Jones talk about having morals.

Speaker 1 (45:17):
Yeah, it's odd.

Speaker 2 (45:19):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (45:20):
Okay, by the way, Alex Jones, I guess, just what
does he do? He reconstitutes himself somehow, and he's back
on this Info Wars. I thought Info Wars was over.
I thought he was broke. I don't know. He's got
a pretty nice set with multiple cameras and he does
his thing. He you know, players got to play. I guess,

(45:40):
is that what's happening crazy, that's what's happening a bit.
I mean, Jamie Raskin was very good on this as well.
I don't know if you wanted to play that, Kim,
I know you liked that that cut. But there's there's
no shortage of people on both sides of the aisle
saying Mike.

Speaker 2 (45:58):
Pence is calling for the release of the Epstein files. Meanwhile,
Carolyn Levitt stands up at the White House and says,
you know, the media just needs to stop talking about this.
Americans don't care, well, clearly Americans care.

Speaker 1 (46:12):
Yeah. Well, you know who is just to round it
out in Epstein Land looking for a break and a pardon?
Anybody who is looking for a break and a pardon.
Now that the Epstein thing is just a hoax and
there's nothing. There's no there there the way Donald Trump
is saying, Gelaine Gallaine Maxwell exactly her family writing to

(46:38):
Trump and saying As questions continued about whether the Trump
administration had acted with transparency and releasing files related to
the crimes and death of Jeffrey Epstein, the family of
his co conspirator Gallaide Maxwell called on the president too
treat her fairly. Attorneys from Maxwell, she was found guilty

(47:00):
in December of twenty twenty one of conspiring to sexual
exploit girls with Epstein, have asked the Supreme Court to
review her case. The Supreme Court claiming that Epstein's federal
non prosecution agreement in Florida should also have prevented her
from facing federal charges in New York. The Department of

(47:20):
Justice earlier this week urged the Supreme Court to reject
that argument, which lower courts have already done, on the
basis that New York prosecutors weren't bound by that Florida deal.
I'd be surprised if President Trump knew his lawyers were
asking the Supreme Court to let the government break a deal.

(47:41):
Maxwell's attorney, David Oscar Marcus said he's the ultimate deal maker,
and I'm sure he'd agree that when the United States
gives its word, it should keep it. Our sister Glane
did not receive a fair trial, said the family. The
deal was Epstein in seven avoided a lifetime in prison

(48:06):
in a non prosecution agreement negotiated with alex Acosta. Remember
alex Acosta, he ended up as Labor Secretary in Trump's
first term, and so alex Acosta, who was then because
the heat was so hot around him, let go by

(48:27):
the Trump administration. Alex Acosta was another example of those
who acted on behalf of powerful people to make a
deal with Epstein and to essentially allow him not to
really serve any time. Remember that was a whole thing
where he was essentially just going back and forth from home.

(48:49):
He was able to stay at home. He never had
to actually serve any time incarcerated anyway, It is true
that Gallain Maxwell's people are leaning on the Trump administration
heavily to review her case. If there's nothing there, then
she should be able to walk. And many say that

(49:11):
and it won't happen now, but it might happen. In fact,
I think it likely will happen. At the end of
his administration, he'll pardon her, and Gallaiine Maxwell will walk
and you know, having pardoned so many if you look
at his pardons there, we're going to have the uh,
the pardon attorney for the federal government on the show
here in I think in the next couple of weeks.

(49:34):
She's left the federal government now, but she can speak
quite brilliantly about this, as David Katz does, also weighing
in on these various pardons of everybody from Jay six
Ers too, potentially a Gallaine Maxwell. So that's the position
of the Maxwell family looking at things now.

Speaker 2 (49:55):
Unless Gallainne Maxwell speaks right, if she opens her mouth
and accuses the Trump administration, or if she's summoned before
Congress and actually says all the things that she knows,
then kiss that pardon goodbye. So in that case then
they control what she has to say.

Speaker 1 (50:14):
Yeah, I mean, Kim makes a really good point. The
fact that she could sing like a canary is the
thing that might keep her in prison. I suspect that
she's ready to make whatever deal, either implicit or explicit,
about keeping her mouth shut. Just get me out of
this place. At a federal prison. So now let's for

(50:37):
the moment move on. I've got David Katz coming up,
the former federal prosecutor now defense attorney, one of the
great legal analysts in the English speaking world. He'll join
us in just a few moments Mark Thompson Show, we'll
pick up the thread with him there. I wanted to
quickly get to some comments. This from Lucy McAllister. I

(51:02):
have some news for Lucy McAllister, who hit us with
a twenty dollars supersticker saying I've missed listening live. She says,
Lucy my favorite McCallister. As you're aware, Lucy is actually
number two, and if you'll remember to yesterday's show, Julia
is my favorite. McAllister.

Speaker 2 (51:22):
Wow, that's crazy.

Speaker 1 (51:25):
Then, and I barely know Julia, which may be the
key to it. But then Lucy and then Kim. I
suppose then Jacob would be there as well. He's in
the top five. And you know, I throw in her husband, David,
who seems like a good guy. Yeah, so he rounds
out the top five. So McAllister family very well represented.

(51:48):
But Lucy is number two, my second favorite, next to Julia,
who is Yeah, she was my real favor. I'm pretty
amazing kid. Five dollars supersticker from Johannio. What up you, Henny?
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When someone tells you who they are, you should listen,
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the super chat, Harry. Trump's militia is in place, No
need for MAGA, says Jim Eaton. This is interesting and
I don't know that that should be dismissed too quickly.
I do believe that much of what's happening with ICE

(53:58):
agents unidentified federal agents I guess they are, or they
independent militia covering their faces, unmarked vehicles, unmarked uniforms, again,
completely unidentified. They are in place on some level. You
could argue it may just be wanting to help out

(54:20):
with the Trump Maga movement, or it may be creating
domestic unrest. Hard to say, and to be fair, it
may not even be literally strategized as such by Trump,
but he knows that those people are out there. They're
part of the JA six community that was pardoned, and

(54:40):
they are ready to get into action anyway they feel
they must. So Jim I think is onto something in
a sense. Franco with a ten dollars super chat, I
need more popcorn, he says. Yeah. There's a sense that
this is all of a sudden, a come upance. Sounds
like Muss sure is sorry that he got duped. He's

(55:04):
wrecked his brand. Recher Delemator says, yeah, he wrecked his brand,
but he just picked up a two hundred and eighty
million dollar contract with the Department of Defense for Groc
to be the AI dedicated to the Pentagon. So uh,
for a wrecked brand, he's still doing pretty well with

(55:25):
the amount of government contract work that he's getting. Uncle
Scrooge says, only Mexican Coca Cola uses real cane sugar.
I thought only the worst comes from Mexico. Uncle Scrouge
says he's even drinking a Mexican coke. Wow, is that?
I know that stuff's expensive now with the tariffs. As

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Speaker 1 (56:00):
Do appreciate that? All right, guys, thank you, appreciate everybody
being here. Kat's an our two of this show. And yeah,
it is Groc the AI with a Nazi tendencies. That's
exactly right. Tendencies is polite. I mean, it's unbelievable how
Groc will default to some pretty nasty stuff. So Kim

(56:22):
will slip in some news of the moment. She's on
Bongino watch. Remember he said it's her or me, it's
you get rid of Pam Bondy or I'm leaving, said Bongino.
That was last week. Well apparently they're both still there.
So you just can't count on anything anymore, can you?

(56:47):
You just?

Speaker 5 (56:48):
I mean I do hug and kiss I forgot people casually.

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Speaker 2 (57:10):
On The Mark Thompson Show, I'm Kim McCallister. This report,
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in DOGE spending cuts will soon face a House vote.
The cuts would be to public broadcasting, global health programs,
and some more foreign aid as well. Republican senators narrowly
passed the package earlier today, Speaker Mike Johnson now saying

(57:33):
the plan was to vote on this today, might be
pushed back until tomorrow though.

Speaker 1 (57:38):
But I do want to just mention this is not
Most people are aware of this, but I just want
to underscore it. This is not money that was going
to be appropriated. This money that was appropriated has been
clawed back, meaning this money has already been okayed by Congress.
This was a special move, this recission to claw back

(58:00):
that money. Nine billion is nothing. Nine billion isn't even
a rounding error, that's how little it is. And yet
it's critical for the funding of PBS, NPR and foreign aid,
and it's already been approved, but now it has been
clawed back, at least on the Senate side. It has
to go to the House. As Kim says.

Speaker 2 (58:21):
In other news the Let's See Where I Lost my place.
A lot of Americans talking about Epstein have questions about
the Jeffrey Epstein case. According to a Reuter's IPSOS poll,
sixty nine percent of respondents said they believe there's been
a concealment of facts on Epstein's clients by the federal government,

(58:42):
while only six percent said they did not believe the
facts were kept a secret. The Trump administration is facing
a backlash as Marker has been mentioning over the issue
after the Department of Justice and the FBI released a
memo concluding Epstein did not have a client list and
he kept that he kept to black my male high
profile figures, So Americans aren't buying that. In San Francisco,

(59:06):
Alcatraz may be back open as a prison at some point,
Although the White House has made no formal announcement. Former
House Speaker Nancy Pelosi says she has been informed now
of an event out at Alcatraz Island to highlight the
plan to turn Alcatraz back into a federal prison. The Rock,
as it's called, has been closed as a federal prison

(59:28):
since nineteen sixty three. Kind Of imagine the money it
would take to redo that place.

Speaker 1 (59:32):
Oh, it's completely ludicrous. It's again another high profile, ludicrous idea,
very Trumpian, you know, wasteful, doesn't make sense, logistically impossible.
But let's throw a lot of money at it. It'll
get some headlines. Everybody knows Alcatraz. It's absurd, absolutely absurd.

Speaker 2 (59:53):
If you are trying to distract the public with something
that might be a good thing.

Speaker 1 (59:57):
Well he's going to throw a lot of stuff at
the distraction model. So you know, expect that just to
be part of the parade.

Speaker 2 (01:00:03):
Multiple Democrats walked out of a hearing on Emil Beauvey's
federal judge nomination. The Senate Judiciary Committee set to vote
on Beauvay's nomination. Beauveat has been accused of dropping corruption
charges against New York City Mayor Adams in exchange for
help on immigration. He has denied those allegations. There are

(01:00:24):
some protests taking place around the United States today that
good Trouble lives on. Demonstrations are honoring late congressmen and
civil rights activist John Lewis. Lewis made the phrase good
trouble popular when he spoke of nonviolent protests and challenges
to civil rights infringements. President Trump underwent some vascular testing

(01:00:47):
after experiencing swelling in his legs that according to the
White House Press Secretary Caroline Levitt. Levitt also spoke about
pictures online that show bruising on Trump's hands. She said
it's due to freak handshaking. Officials are not stopping the
search for missing flood victims in Central Texas. Officials in
Kerr County had to put a hold on search efforts

(01:01:10):
after three days of heavy rain. Again, crews searching for
the bodies of ninety seven people. Now across the entire state.
At least one hundred and thirty four died due to
those floods. Two Republican lawmakers in California, including Assembly Member
Carl Demyo, are advocating for a measure to be added
to the twenty twenty six ballot mandating voter ID and

(01:01:33):
proof of citizenship. The proposal includes checking citizenship during voter
registration and requiring ID at polling places here in California.
Mail in voters would provide the last four digits of
a government issued ID like a Social Security number. California
is one of fourteen states and the District of Columbia
that do not require voter ID. And lastly, because I

(01:01:56):
know we're getting to David Katz here, Connie Francis, the
iconic singer who was one of the top selling female
artists of all time, has died at the age of
eighty seven.

Speaker 1 (01:02:07):
Albert, do you have a picture of Connie Francis? Can
you and your little Google machine maybe get that going?
I mean, it's actually she was very high profile. I
think she was sort of a sexy singer and kind
of a big deal.

Speaker 2 (01:02:21):
She died last night at the age of eighty seven
years old. She was taken to the hospital two weeks
ago with complaints of severe pain. One of her close
friends confirming the news on Facebook. We know there she is.
She sold millions of records through the nineteen fifties and
sixties with hits like Who's Sorry, Now Where the Boys Are?

(01:02:41):
She was the first woman to have a number one
hit on the Billboard Hot one hundred with nineteen sixties
Everybody Is Somebody's Fool, And she made it into the
Spotify charts just this year thanks to a TikTok trend
of using her nineteen sixty two song Pretty Little Baby.
She was born in New Jersey nineteen thirty seven, eventually

(01:03:02):
changed her name from Consetta frank Anero to Connie Francis.

Speaker 1 (01:03:06):
Wow, that's interesting. I didn't know that. I also didn't
know that they re reconstituted her song yeah or current day. Yeah.
And that's what can happen with the yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:03:16):
It's a tiktokology. Yeah, there she is. She's passed away
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What up everybody? Our two always on a Thursday brings
one of our favorite guests we've ever had on the show.
He is one of the leading voices when it comes
to legal analysis across the English speaking world. He was
just on British television and radio just yesterday. I know

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he's a very popular in demand. He's generous enough to
join us on Thursdays. How about it for the former
federal prosecutor now defense attorney in southern California, he is
the great David.

Speaker 4 (01:05:42):
Katz Agree with you?

Speaker 1 (01:05:44):
Mark, Hello, sir, Well David, I'll ask you to first
talk about something that has been buried a bit because
of all the Epstein stuff. And we will get to Epstein,
but it's this beauvet thing. The the confirmation is Emil
Beauvay and the Democrats walked out of the confirmation hearing

(01:06:09):
in the Senate. And they did it. Obviously that's a
high profile thing. But they did it, I think in
part because they viewed Beauvais as such a functionary of
Donald Trump. He was Donald Trump's former personal attorney. And
they also did it to hear Sheldon Whitehouse talk about
it as a protest against the fact that they weren't

(01:06:30):
following the basic rules. And that's why Corey Booker, I believe,
led many Democrats to walk out of that confirmation hearing.
Can you comment on Beauvais and then that move?

Speaker 4 (01:06:41):
Sure, well, he is one of Trump's henchmen, if ever
there was one, And the idea is that he would
not give up his great and exciting for him job
at the Department of Justice just to be on the
Third Circuit, with all respect for the hundreds of federal
appellate judges around the Country's on his way to the
Supreme Court, people fear and someone said about him that,

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say what you want about the three picks by Trump
the first term, they were all intellectuals. This guy's a
street fighter. And so it's kind of weird to imagine
this level of street fighter being on the US Supreme Court.

Speaker 1 (01:07:18):
I mean, see, he's being confirmed for the Third Circuit
right now, is what you're saying right now is.

Speaker 4 (01:07:23):
For the Third Circuit. But mark my point is, why
would he leave this great job at the Department of
Justice where he has huge power over Ice, over the FBI,
over all the US attorney's offices around the country. To
be on the Third Circuit with all respect to it.
It's the appellate court that covers New Jersey and Pennsylvania, Delaware.
It's a big deal. It's a big deal, Mark. But

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come on, he's on his way to the Supreme Court.
He's youngish, and he's very much in Trump's corner. And
that's what people are worried about. He wouldn't attract that
much attention if he were just, with all due respect
to the appellate courts, a third Circuit judge, and it
wouldn't make any sense, as I say, to give up
such a powerful job. So that's what people are worried about.

(01:08:06):
And in terms of his own personal background, the things
that he's done, he's got some terrible reviews from people
who've worked with him, that he's a martinette, that he
orders people around, that he has real temper problems. And
then on top of that, they have this great piece
of evidence, which is that they have someone who was
a colleague of his, who was in a meeting with him,

(01:08:27):
who's willing to say he's a whistleblower. Now he's resigned
or been fired by the Department of Justice, and he
is willing to say under oath in front of the nation,
in front of Congress, that he was in a meeting
where this beauvet said, guy said, you know, f the courts,
we're going to do what we want, and if the
courts don't like it, we're going to still do what
we want. That is obviously not judicial temperament, that is

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not respect for the rule of law, and he should
not be confirmed to the Third Circuit or to any
federal court. Having said that, now that's going to be
If you remember back to Kavanaugh, there was this doctor
Ford that came out of the past twenty five or
thirty years. The Republicans controlled the Senate then, and yet
they let her testify, and her testimony changed a lot

(01:09:12):
of people's minds, and it made his confirmation Kavanaugh's nip
and tuck. He just made it after that outburst he
had against the Democrats and against the Clinton conspiracy that
was supposedly out to get him, and Kavanaugh's now on
the US Supreme Court. And I think one reason Mark
then that they called her to the stand, even though
the Republicans and McConnell were in charge, was that it

(01:09:34):
became so popular. It was like, wait a second, if
this woman's telling the truth, and then people got into it,
it became kind of a bit of a soap opera.
His has not become as much of a soap opera,
so Katsidamas. I fear that he's going to make it,
and I fear that that witness who's willing to testify
under oath will not be called, that the Republicans will

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block him, and there will not be another doctor Ford Kavanaugh.
You know, see them both testify on national TV and
see who you credit, who you believe. I don't think
they're going to call that lawyer to the stand, even
though he's ready and willing to testify under oath.

Speaker 1 (01:10:12):
It's pretty amazing that a whistleblower like that, with such
damning evidence is dismissed completely. As we know, the Republicans
control the committee, so they have the power to dismiss it.
But it would seem that any kind of earnest investigation
with at leitch at least hear this. But the argument

(01:10:32):
is in Grassley's argument who heads at the committee? He says, now,
these are media fueled rumors, and I'm not going to
be part of the character assassination that's associated with them.

Speaker 4 (01:10:43):
Well, that's completely disingenuous. That doesn't make any sense at all.
Doctor Ford, who was allowed to testify by a Republican
controlled Senate, was having an allegation. It was, you know,
tabloid esque, but still see an allegation from twenty five
thirty years ago when Kavanaugh was a late teenager. This

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is about something that happened a couple of months ago
with another lawyer. Who's willing to testify about something that's
just a couple of months old. He should at least
be heard. What I'm hoping is that they can somehow
force this to happen. I don't know why. I know
the Republicans control everything and the Democrats don't, but I
imagine they could have some kind of a rump session

(01:11:25):
where they could put this fellow on the stand and
let him give You know, these folks show up with
a prepared statement, let him read his prepared statement to
the nation, and say why won't the Republicans let this
come in as testimony. He's just said it to us,
He's told us he's going to say this under oath.
This is his testimony. Let this man be heard, and
it's pretty shocking what he has to say, I mean,

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if you believed everything doctor Ford said, it was shocking
what Kavanaugh did you know twenty five thirty years ago,
But this is awfully shocking. Happened a couple of months ago.
Here's someone going to be put on the Federals Issuary,
maybe on his way to the US Supreme Court, who
doesn't respect the rule of law, who says, if the
judges rule against us, you lawyers, you know, I don't
I'm paraphrasing him, but you know, f the courts to

(01:12:09):
find a way around them. And you know this, this
reminds me of Giuliani, the way Juliani approached the courts.
It's one thing that all this pr and to put
out all this NonStop propaganda. We can to the First Amendment.
We can't stop Fox. We can't stop anybody who puts
out this unrelenting, NonStop propaganda that's not fact based. That's
not what our courts are about. When you talk about

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the courts, you have to present law and facts that
you research. You have to vouch for what you're saying.
Doesn't mean your client has to be right, doesn't mean
your position has to be right, but you have to
vouch for it. In a serious sort of way, and
to say you're going to not respect the courts, you're
going to work around the courts. This man is not
he's not judicial timber Well.

Speaker 1 (01:12:48):
And just to remind everybody, he was one of the
prosecutors involved and one of the Justice Department officials, right
for the better way to put it, that got rid
of either dismasched or reassigned prosecutors that were associated with
the January sixth cases. So anybody who worked on the
January six cases and prosecuting and convicting those January six ers,

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they were dismissed or reassigned. And Beauvet was the guy
who was the principal associate designated to handle all of
that stuff. So he's a as you say, he's a loyalist.
And in listening to a White House today talking about
what you were talking about, which is, hey, why can't

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we just at least talk about the objection to him,
at least have a vote on the objection, at least
have the testimony. And the fact that it's being railroaded
through is something that the Democrats apparently, I guess, can't
do anything about short of walking out of the confirmation hearing.
And then it's a twelve zero vote to confirm him

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or at least move his nomination forward.

Speaker 4 (01:13:57):
You know, in Texas they can actually deny their being korum,
and we have that every now and then, where the Democrats,
who are always in the minority in the state houses
in Texas, they can only stop legislation by walking out
and denying a quorum. I don't think that in the
Senate the Democrats can do that. I think this is symbolic.
I think they could lose twelve ten, or if they

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all walk out, they can lose twelve zero, and I
think it's dramatic to walk out, but I think the
realities they're going to lose twelve zero. The good news
for the rule of law is that the entire Senate
may yet reject beauva Because there are the two female
Republicans they just stood up again on the recision. They
seem to be pretty solid for the rule of law.

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I think they'll probably vote against Beauvea. So just two
votes away if all they need is till Us, maybe McConnell,
till Us and maybe somebody else, and they can stop him.
You know, fifty one forty nine, there's nothing Vans can
do if they can muster fifty one votes against him.
But this is this really is meaningful for Trump because
this is what Trump wants to do. Trump is going

(01:14:58):
to put a lot of capital, political capital into this
because this man is on you know, he's on his
way to the US Supreme Court. It's shocking. But in
three years, Thomas or Alito will resign. That's my prediction.
It won't be Canon Loose Cannon is crying down in
Miami area. It's not going to be her. After all
all she did to save Trump's baked It's not going

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to be her. She's going to be ninety years old
and still be a district judge down there.

Speaker 1 (01:15:25):
And yeah, another disappointed Trump customer.

Speaker 4 (01:15:27):
Guy the guy.

Speaker 1 (01:15:28):
Yeah, So that's the situation. And so there's a potential
you're saying that he might be rejected. I think one
of the things that's interesting. I do want to segue
to what happened with the Epstein related case and with
the Komi daughter who was apparently for the distinguished prosecutor
just being dismissed from the Southern District. But what I

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just want to mention on my way to that story
is that because of all the Epstein stuff. I feel
like the Beauvet controversy and his corruption, his clear corruption
and being a bagman for Trump, essentially a legal bagman.
It's being buried under the Epstein stuff. So the one
benefit that Trump is getting from all of this Epstein stuff,

(01:16:13):
he wants it to go away, but it's burying a
bit the controversies and the true corruption associated with Beauvet.
And now to the rest.

Speaker 4 (01:16:21):
One last thing about Bovey is also the villain of
the Mayor Adams piece. Because Mayor Adams is being prosecuted.
He's got a defense, you know on legally make your motions.
If he's got a defense on the facts, go to jury, charal.
It takes twelve to convict beyond a reasonable doubt. Of course,
Mayor Adams doesn't want to do any of that. He
wants to get this pardon. And if you remember, bove

(01:16:43):
is the guy who sets up the sort of damocles
as it were, a pardon or dismissal. I should say dismissal,
not pardon. They're going to dismiss this case, but without prejudice.
Was the idea.

Speaker 1 (01:16:55):
Again, this is the case against please just yeah, against
Mayor Adams in New York. This is a corruption case,
and you're saying that they were dropping it, but they
didn't drop it. This is the with prejudice stuff.

Speaker 4 (01:17:08):
Go ahead beyond January sixth, which is another fiasco and
scandal that Bova was involved in. Bobey was also involved
in this one, which was five I think five prosecutors quit,
and then he needed somebody to put their name on
this request to dismiss in front of the federal judge.
He eventually put his own name, and he got some
flunky in Washington who wouldn't resign but cared about his

(01:17:32):
career or whatever it was. Whatever he cared about, maybe
actually believed in this, but anyway, he and Bobe put
their name on this request to dismiss. The federal judge
appointed an independent advisor, and ultimately the federal judge. Look,
i can't prosecute you under the separation of powers. I
can't prosecute you mayor Adams, but I'm not going to
live with this idea of without prejudice. If you're dismissing
this case, it's with prejudice. So Adams, it doesn't actually

(01:17:56):
have to come through. They don't have a sort of
damocles over Mayor Adams's. But people are very worried that
he's allows allowing ICE to do more raids in New
York City than somebody who is really out for the
interests of people in New York City would do, and
that he's allowing the ICE to go into the Rikers
Island prison and other places like that where they weren't
allowed to go into before because he feels Mayor Adams

(01:18:18):
so indebted to Bovey and Trump because they gave him
his liberty. Think about that, the Citty Mayor of New
York ohs his liberty. Ohs is not being in federal
court and facing prison to Beauvay uh and Trump.

Speaker 1 (01:18:31):
Yeah, bove made the deal and Trump is the one who,
you know, uh crafted the deal, if you want to
think about that way.

Speaker 4 (01:18:37):
The only thing I don't hold against bove is that
he was the criminal defense attorney for Trump. I mean
for that, you know, he's.

Speaker 1 (01:18:44):
People need a criminal defense attorney.

Speaker 4 (01:18:45):
He was the guy, right, everyone should have the best
Everyone should have the best criminal defense attorney they have.
And nobody has accused him of any misconduct or any
impropriety in the representation of Trump as criminal defense lawyer.

Speaker 1 (01:18:57):
Now to the Southern District of New York and Maureen Comy,
the prosecutor in the Jeffrey Epstein case. Yesterday, she's fired.
No specific reason given for her termination, and her last
name being Comy didn't help her, I'm sure because Donald
Trump no friend of Comy. I was mentioning in the

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first hour. That's always ironic to me, because I believe
that Comy helped throw the election in twenty sixteen for Trump,
as he announced ten days before the election that he
was reopening the case against Hillary Clinton, the investigation on
Hillary Clinton's emails, et cetera. In any case, she was fired,
Give me a moment on this. Apparently she had a
pretty distinguished history in that office. Her most recent case

(01:19:43):
is the Ditty case or the Sean Combs case, which
didn't go well for federal prosecutors, I guess, but I
don't know that that was her responsibility. But in any case,
I wonder if you can give me a minute on
what happened here.

Speaker 4 (01:19:57):
Sure, let me say one thing about Coley. First, he
threw the case in the sense that, in one sense
of the word threw by his poor decision.

Speaker 1 (01:20:07):
But I don't think she can remember.

Speaker 4 (01:20:08):
It yet in the election twenty sixteen, But I don't
think he threw it in the sense that he was
in the bag for Trump or against Hilly. I think
that if you remember the Department of Justice, the Attorney
General had to recuse herself after she'd gotten on a
plane with Clinton and was all happy talking with Clinton
on this plane, and then so she recused herself. That
left the head of the FBI to make the decision.

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She should have made that decision, the attorney general, and
she should have not released and not made the statements
that Komy so Comy ended up being in charge of
the thing. And I think Comy, he's always hit me
as a kind of you know, very self assured, maybe
to the point of arrogance. But he made that call,
and I think he made it, you know, from his perspective,
the right call. I don't think he was trying to

(01:20:52):
help Trump or hurt Hillary. That's my take on it.
Now he's got this daughter. You know, the problem with
being a NEPO baby is the time it helps you
at the particular moment, being this NEFO baby is not
really helping worrying Komi, is it. And I think that
you know, this shows how Trump has such poor advice.

(01:21:12):
He has such a d or f team of advisors
over there, because this is another unforced error, like so
many things in Jeffrey Epstein. The best thing to do,
you know, Jackier Hubern, how to do this thing. She
just wouldn't get any really good cases after this. Right,
he controls the southern district of New York. You keep
her on, she doesn't get really good cases. She's still

(01:21:34):
a government employee. Now, I expect to see her in
Congress or in front of many committees being able to
say exactly what she wants to say about what happened
in the point that she doesn't have attorney client privilege
or there's not ethics violations, she can speak more freely
about what happened in the Epstein prosecution than she could
have if she was still a Department of Justice prosecutor.

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So what Trump thinks he's accomplishing with all this? Obviously
these orders came right from Trump, There's no doubt about it.
So her name was Comy, and I saw one of
these guys. There's an African American Republican, big loudmouth from Florida.
He's a congress member, but a super loudmouth. And they
said to her, well, do you think I didn'tthing to

(01:22:18):
do with her losing that case? Oh yeah, yeah, she
didn't manage to convict Diddy. If anyone thinks this had
anything to do with her not convicting Diddy, First of all,
there were seven people on this trial team. She might
have been the head of the trial team, but there
were seven people responsible for prosecuting Diddy. I had my
own questions about I think it was pretty controversial with
some of your audience. I had my own questions about

(01:22:40):
the case. But to say that the case didn't have
didn't have a good reason to be brought to say
that the case wasn't righteous in a lot of ways,
to say she did anything wrong, she did convict him
of two counts. He's not thinking what a failure she is.
Did he still sitting in jail right now, a waiting
gets sent and sing. So the idea she got fired
because of Diddy? So I guess my thought on it

(01:23:03):
was a huge unforced era. I think probably he certainly
helped her career. I expect that she'll when the Democrats
get back in power. I assume that she'll be the
United States Attorney for the Southern District of New York.
She's got every esteem thing in front of her. All
the law firms are on her side. She'll have no
trouble being hired by any law firm that she wants
to go to. And it just seems like he accomplished

(01:23:23):
absolutely nothing. Trump maybe he was trying to divert attention,
but you can't get people's minds off Jeffrey Epstein because
of sub prosecutor in New York named Komy that people
know well.

Speaker 1 (01:23:32):
I mean, more to the point, I would say, when
you fire the prosecutor who was involved with the Jeffrey
Epstein case, I mean, you know, that gets the Epstein
case back into the news. But she's referred to She's
not referred to as the prosecutor. She's not referred to
as a prosecutor handled the p Ditty case. She's referred
to as the prosecutor who handled the Jeffrey Epstein case.
If you want to get rid of Jeffrey Epstein, you

(01:23:52):
don't have anything to do with this woman.

Speaker 4 (01:23:55):
It's just to me, it's a huge unforced error by Trump.
And you know, someone who does not wish Trump and
his agenda. Well, I'm more than happy to see him
step in Dodo over and over again. But this is
another stepping in Dodo because this makes no sense. And
to the extent that he wants to quiet Jeffrey Epstein down,
he just fired the prosecutor who prosecuted Jeffrey Epstein. And

(01:24:15):
I think that there's a lot of things that she
can talk about. Whether she will or not, but I
think there are some things that ethically she can talk about.
And you know, she's going to have to get really
good legal advice, but it's going to be interesting. One
of the interesting things you see people like Alan Dershowitz,
who appears on TV and kind of implause that Trump
isn't in any danger from these records and he knows something.

(01:24:39):
What a pity he can't talk more about it. But
no one in office is in there. Oh yeah, maybe
some people who used to be an officer in there.
Are you supposed to you know, infer that that's you know,
Biden people, that's Democrats, and so I think a lot
of them are are. I think they should be very
careful what they say. But to the extent that she
can say anything, she can more Now that she's not

(01:25:01):
a Department of Justice prosecutor than she was yesterday. You know,
you don't want to talk about.

Speaker 1 (01:25:06):
Pursing of the administration and of DOJ of people for
whom they have no love, not based on work, but
based on association. You know, in this case it's Epstein related,
or it's really because her last name is call me.
I think, as you point out, it's really the latter.
But they're doing the same thing at the FBI. They're
dry cleaning the FBI of anyone who had anything to

(01:25:28):
do with Jay six investigations, with anyone who even you
saw that case of the FBI. This is a These
are pristine records of hard working FBI people who are
dismissed because of their association with Peter Strock, who was
the FBI agent who was texting with the you know,
they had that whole it was, you know, Trump was

(01:25:50):
smearing him, calling it was a FBI love affair or whatever.
He was anti Trump. It would seem or I don't
even know that that was ever really shown that he
was anti Trump. Peter Strop in any case, the idea
that if you simply are in touch with Stroke at all,
you get dismissed from the FBI is not a wild notion.
It's the notion that's in place at the FBI, and

(01:26:11):
they are a bunch of FBI agents that fall into
that category. And that's leaving out the lie detector tests
that they are imposing at the FBI as well. So
this idea of dismissing people with the wrong last name
or people who were even receiving promotions under the last administration,
they go back and they either get rid of those people,

(01:26:34):
reassign those people, or demote them from the promotion. It's crazy.
They want nothing with anyone having anything to do with
Biden ascending to power within the dojo.

Speaker 4 (01:26:46):
Mark. This is like a stress test for the FBI.
And the FBI has come through a lot of you
know a lot of stuff. There have been investigations over
the years and stuff like this. I think this is
about the most severe stress test that I I've seen
in you know, my decades of doing this. First of all,
a lot of them have been you know, common deer
dragooned into doing work with ice and so out here

(01:27:10):
in California, for instance. It's not lost on people that
you know at the FBI is going around now helping ICE,
working with ICE. You see those FBI jackets that hopefully
you see at you know, major terrorism and you know
cases that we all agree ought to be brought. You
see those same jackets on these ICE raids in LA

(01:27:31):
and the Garment District and all kinds of people getting arrested.
And you know, I've had FBI can say to me
because i have a case now where you know, I'm
working with the FBI on behalf of a client, and
it's like, we got to have this meeting now because
the next month we're going to be running around, you know,
working with ICE doing this kind of stuff. And they
don't say it in any kind of political way or

(01:27:51):
anything like that, but it's absolutely clear that a huge
number of them and they're dropping cases that are really important.
They tell people get off these wire taps where you're
going to get after organized crime. They're very time intensive
to monitor wiretaps. They don't have time to do it.
Why because they're running around of picking up people at
car washes and nannies and they have their FBI jackets on.

(01:28:13):
If you think the FBI likes this, if you think
this is what they joined the FBI, you know, a
lot of these people are lawyers and accountants, have terrific training.
These FBI agents. On top of that, they're also how
to use guns. They know how to do all the
tactical stuff. They're very accomplished people. And meanwhile they've been
dragooned into this ice force. They don't like it. And
now all these people have been fired. And you look

(01:28:35):
at Trump. Trump got rid of if you get down
the top, like eight people in the FBI. I think
he got rid of seven of eight, seven of eight
or did he get rid of eight of eight? You
just go right down the list. That poor guy who
got denied his pension, he ended up winning and getting
his pension back, Cami. There were other people on the list.
Now he talks about the former head of the FBI,
This fellow who just left as well, deep state Democrat Biden.

(01:28:58):
I forget his name, the guy who just was forced
to resign.

Speaker 1 (01:29:00):
Yeah, he was a Trump appointment.

Speaker 4 (01:29:03):
It was picked by Trump. He was Chris Christie's lawyer.

Speaker 1 (01:29:07):
This ray, I believe, last name.

Speaker 4 (01:29:10):
The worst thing that he did, The worst thing that
he did was he helped the New Jersey taxpayers. He
took eight million dollars to something of the taxpayer's money
to defend the Governor Christy over this bridge gate thing.
He had every right in the world to bill eight
million dollars mozle top to him. I think it was
a year or two this guy made eight million dollars

(01:29:30):
representing Republican Chris christ Chris Christie, and then Republican Donald
Trump picked him to be the head of the FBI.
I mean everything I should say. A lot of what
Trump says is absolutely factually. You could you could have
his mouth this moving, You could do a crawl at
the bottom, fact checking him wrong wrong. You give him
the dings, but not things for good words, things for
wrong wrong, false false false. We got to get into

(01:29:54):
Jeffrey Epstein.

Speaker 1 (01:29:55):
Yeah, well I wanted I want to get to let's
do the Epstein thing, and then I want to get
to the Ice stuff that you mentioned, because there's a
major judicial ruling on that basically saying that DHS making
these stops and arrest and these immigration rates has been
doing it illegally and that has to change till let's
put back burner that. But I do really want to

(01:30:16):
make think.

Speaker 4 (01:30:17):
One thing real quick, Mark, real sir, Remember when the
Beatles and the Stones came here. They called it the
British invasion. Well we've had an American invasion now of
the UK, led by your guests. So David K. Johnson
and I were on Times of London yesterday within an
hour of each other.

Speaker 1 (01:30:33):
No, there you go, I love it. I it's a
distinguished it's a distinguished pairing.

Speaker 4 (01:30:39):
That's the interested Epstein, that's the intense interested. Never like
this across the pond.

Speaker 1 (01:30:47):
Uh, So give me a moment, then, on Epstein your
thoughts and you can give me both illegal and political.
I'm sure you did both on the British media yesterday.

Speaker 4 (01:30:59):
Well, you know, one thing I wanted to stress to
them was that the president is totally disingenuous. His followers
that he calls now stupid and weaklings may have actually
had a rift in Maga and with all the things
that didn't cause you know, everyone who believes in the
rule of law, who's sort of middle of the road,
has been when are these MAGA people going to wake

(01:31:20):
up that they're in a cult, wake up that this
guy's cutting their Medicaid benefits, waking up to all the
ways that he's hurting them with the tariffs. With so
many of his policies, what are they going to wake up?
And you wouldn't have guessed that this would be the
one where they would wake up. But apparently there's a
large part of the magabase that feels very strongly, that's
very invested in this Jeffrey Epstein story as being a

(01:31:43):
sort of, you know, a parable of the little guy's
fight against the elites, and this is this is supposedly
a very elite guy who ran around with everybody. And
they like to think he ran around with Clinton and
all these Democrats, but probably the reality is he ran
around a lot more with very rich people. A lot

(01:32:03):
of them are probably Republicans, a lot of them probably
are donors to Trump. And of course the defense of
all of them is about the same. This is Clinton.
This is a week Trump's defense, no matter how much
he's actually in the files when they're probably when they're
finally released, he'll say, yes, I hung out with him,
I went on the plane, maybe I went to the island.
But the defense of everybody is I didn't know that

(01:32:25):
he was squirrelly. I didn't know what he was doing.
He wasn't gonna tell me about it. If he had
three or four, you know, three or four times where
he enticed these very very rich people to do something
they shouldn't have done, and then he blackmailed them. He
wasn't gonna tell me about it. Trump's gonna say he
wasn't gonna tell me about it. I went on the plane.

(01:32:47):
I thought this guy was a straight arrow. I mean,
maybe we partied together and stuff like that, but I
didn't know it was with underage girls. I didn't know
what makes this case so awful, you know, child rape.
That's the last thing in the world I knew about
it that he would have told me. Of course, there's
a lot of really bad stuff in it for Trump
because he got this sweetheart deal way back when in Florida.

(01:33:07):
He should have been in prison, not the second time
when according to them, he was suicided. Their story, you know,
they always loved this expression, he was suicided. And now Bondi,
the Attorney General, says no, she has proof, and then
when she shows the proof, there's a one minute gap.
It's like the famous gap in the Nixon things for people.

Speaker 1 (01:33:28):
Three minutes, I guess basically three minutes.

Speaker 4 (01:33:31):
People said it's only one minute, one minute how can
you kill a person within one minute and then it
turns out no, it really is three minutes, which sounds
like just about the time that you could get into
somewhat so killed of it get out during the three
minute gap. I mean, it's so amateurish, and I guess
wired put together how it was actually done, and it
was apparently done in amateur's way. And why is the

(01:33:51):
Attorney General of the United States and the FBI vouching
for this? And then on top of that, Cash Patel
and this Bongino guy, this was this is how they
got rich. They got rich with you know, this propaganda,
with these conspiracy theories, and of course what they're going
to do is turn on a dime. I think both
of them and just basically disavow that. I don't think

(01:34:12):
Bongino is going to go back to, uh, you know,
the media. I think that while he'd make more money
doing that, he's got this very powerful job and I
th I think I think he wants to nail some people.
I think we need to look at every single case
that comes out of an FBI investigation and not look

(01:34:32):
at it with this presumption. Well, of course it's regular
and they're following the rules. But to try to figure
out who did that target piss off? Why does Bongino
or Patel or their minions at the FBI, that's not
We don't think of them now as like special agents,
distinguished people who went to law school, went to accounting
school and stuff that we just this is what's happened
to the FBI. There. They're the minions of two very political,

(01:34:57):
opinionated heads. You know, he was going to cash Pattell.
I think he assured people he was going to have
a normal FBI agent, one of these guys with twenty
years experience who worked his way up through the ranks
and knew the whole FBI procedures. And then he didn't
pick a guy like that. He picked Bongina, which if
people on your audience haven't followed him, I mean he's
a shower on right wing radio. He's the conspiracy theorist

(01:35:19):
of all with a capital C and a capital T,
who's been behind this idea that when they get to
the bottom of Jeffrey Epstein, all these Democrats' names are
going to pop out. And let me say one last thing.
You know, this is not these files that and Bondi's
in terrible shapes because she said the files were all
on her desk and now has to say I was lying.
The files weren't on my desk. What she said is

(01:35:41):
I was sort of misled. I misspoke the files went
on my desk. Something about the files, but she said,
and you could play it in the end the's loop.
The files are on my desk right now. So was
she lying? Was she stupidly misled? And she spouted that
as though it were fact when it was completely unchecked.
Not something a lawyer should do, and not something the
Attorney General of the United States should do? Or have

(01:36:01):
they been destroyed? Since?

Speaker 2 (01:36:02):
Then?

Speaker 4 (01:36:03):
Were they on her desk? And now there's nothing to
reveal because someone has destroyed them or tampered with them
since and the conspiracy theories with the one minute gap
that turned to a three minute gap, and with Trump
saying talk about terrible advice. The worst thing he could
say for his own self protection was there's nothing to
see here. I don't know why everybody's so fascinated with this.

(01:36:23):
That of course just makes people more fascinated with it.
I mean, the huckster and ought to know that when
you say, when you say, don't be fascinated with this.
It's gonna make people fascinate. And Mark wellis thing. I
don't know if you saw Colbert last night, but he
said he said it's pretty boring. Okay, he says it's
pretty boring.

Speaker 1 (01:36:39):
That's what Trump is shaying. He is pretty boring.

Speaker 4 (01:36:41):
And he gives an example, you know, the great way
that he presents it, where he said, let's see, there's sex,
there's an island, there's planes going around, there's two presidents
of the United States.

Speaker 1 (01:36:51):
Yeah, the most powerful people in the world. I was
just about to say that that's what Colbert said. I
was going to say, what can possibly be boring about that?

Speaker 4 (01:36:58):
Fascinating that this? Yeah, so that he doesn't think where
he yawns, Oh.

Speaker 1 (01:37:03):
It's salacious in the extreme. I want to get to
the by the way I think that he'll Trump's already
done a bit of this. He'll try to throw the
media off the scent of Epstein, although the drum beat
is so loud, but he'll try to do it in
he's already trying to do it, but he'll do it
in ways that involve the law. That's why I just
want to mention it to you. I think he'll assign

(01:37:23):
a special prosecutor, not for the Epstein files. He doesn't
want a special prosecute anywhere near that. But I think
he wants some kind of ongoing investigation with Adam Schiff,
with Kombi and Brandon. We've already seen it. He may
go back to Hillary Clinton, he go back to the
twenty sixteen election. He's going to may go to the
twenty twenty election with Biden and the Biden family. He's

(01:37:45):
going to want to stir up that pot. That will
be a I think illegal means that he'll attempt to
distract using those sorts of levers of legal power. That's
why mentioned it to you.

Speaker 4 (01:38:01):
Can I address that really quickly. One of the ways
you would try to target your enemies is a tax case.
The I R S has, you know, never really satisfied
the public that there is an absolutely clear way which
is not political, which is not targeted how they picked
people to audit. So, but Kobe doesn't have to worry
about that because Kobe already had this amazingly intrusive audit

(01:38:22):
and he came through totally clean. So he's already been
through that that washer already under Trump the first time
and Trump had a very trumpy head of the I
R S. You don't hear much about and remember this one.
And they also picked this second in command under Trump,
and he also got the audit, and they said it

(01:38:43):
was just purely statistical. And the New York Times there
was one chance in five million that they both would
have been picked for that incredibly intrusive audit. So they
got nothing on Kobe. The idea that they tracked him,
Now you can do that legally, Mark, you want to
know the law, Yes, they can. They can follow us.

Speaker 1 (01:39:00):
They was talking about the FBI is srevailed, followed James
Comy and they studios.

Speaker 4 (01:39:06):
They cannot like one of your shows, and they can
decide to follow you to the Gelson's market, but you know,
because it's a public place. But at some point it's
going to come out like it came out with Kobe,
and people are going to say, this is awful, what
with some fascist country now where they don't like Komy.
You know, he sent this photograph. It's so ridiculous. I
remember at a client who said, I got eighty six

(01:39:27):
from the Mirage Hotel. And I knew very well that
eighty six from the Barrage Hotel. Didn't mean they were
trying to kill her at the Mirage Hotel. I mean
that they told her we don't want your business anymore.
Eighty six just means to remove somebody, not at all,
And they followed his car based on that, and they
made him come in for an interview. I had to
call this criminal defense lawyer. The former head of the FBI,
Kobe had to call a criminal defense lawyer and arrange

(01:39:49):
a meeting with the Secret Service. It was outvasied. And
I want to say one more thing about Adam Schiff,
who people know is my old friend from the US
Attorney's office. They got nothing. Book is zilch against to him.
He had a great thing he said. The US to
accuse me of treeson, I guess mortgage fraud of a
moved way up.

Speaker 1 (01:40:05):
Well, because you've mentioned it, just mention what the details are. Essentially,
they're saying that his residence was miss go ahead and
miss camp.

Speaker 4 (01:40:13):
Who buy houses that they're not going to live in,
they buy ten of them. They get a better mortgage
rate by saying they're going to live in it. Because
people don't abandon houses that they live in. They abandon
spec houses, so the mortgage company, the bank wants to
make sure that you're going to really live in the house.
Adam Shift made it totally clear he was going to
live in two places. He was going to live in

(01:40:34):
a place in Washington where he was raising his kids
and sending them to school, and he was going to
live in the place in Burbank because he was the
congressman from Burbank. The banks knew everything, so the banks
weren't misled. The country is ripped off, further countries not
ripped off. The bank either makes the loan or it doesn't.
The bank made the loan to Shift with total disclosure

(01:40:54):
from Shift. He had a lawyer work on it. End
of story. It's a nothing burger.

Speaker 1 (01:40:59):
But it's a again part of his ongoing battle against
his enemies, his political enemies, and his perceived enemies.

Speaker 4 (01:41:06):
I want to mark the way he's going. He's going
to make Shift president and he's going to make every
one of those people he targets in the US Attorney's
offices and fires the US attorney for whatever district they
used to be an assistant did. That's what he's achieving
with this president. Shift and all those fired people as
the US attorneys around the country.

Speaker 1 (01:41:25):
Well, if the Democrats regained the power, that will be
what would happen or potentially I do want to get
to this ruling, David, about ice and what's happening with
the detention of so many people without probable cause. Now
a judge has weighed in on this, and I wonder

(01:41:45):
if you could just comment on that. Essentially, the federal
judge finding the DHS has been making stops and arrests
in LA and these immigration rates without probable cause. They've
ordered the department to stop detaining individuals based on race,
spoken language, or occupation. That appears to be the way
they've been doing it. Dush far can you speak about
how that's going to proceed.

Speaker 4 (01:42:06):
Well, I've told your audience for a long time that
thank god we have a separation of powers and we
have federal courts with judges with life tenure. And I
know it's easy to get depressed and miffed worse than
that when you see what the US Supreme Court is
doing and with their six to three majority. But we
have wonderful federal judges around the country, and one of

(01:42:26):
them here, her name is Frempong. She was nominated by Biden,
you know, improved by the Senate. And she got this
case and she ruled, and she didn't wait around to
do it. She issued an injunction right away, which actually
stopped the ICE raids here in La once she made
the ruling. I mean, that's what's been shocking these judges

(01:42:47):
waiting around for a week, or they get they don't
put the stay, and they put a stay in effect
for a week or two weeks, and then you see
some appellate court reverse it, and hers may yet get
reversed by the Ninth Circuit. But the point is she
had good reason to rule right away, and she had
good reason to put in effect a temporary restraining order,
and she did, and it stopped ICE. And what she
said was it violates the fourth and fifth Amendment to

(01:43:11):
pick people up and to discriminate against people fourteenth Amendment
to pick people up because their brown skin, or because
they're speaking Spanish, or they're speaking English with a so
called Hispanic accent, and any of those reasons are a
violation of the Constitution. You have to have an articulable
suspicion which can't be based on you having brown skin,

(01:43:32):
and you have to have probable cause. They don't have
probable cause. But they don't even have an articulable suspicion.
If it's just that you have brown skin, that's an
improper basis to form an articulable suspicion to stop people
or arrest people. And that's what they're based on. And
so she said at this hearing, she said, what is
your plan? Show me how you select these people if
it's not their brown skin and that they're speaking Spanish.

(01:43:53):
And they had no answer. I mean, the government didn't
even take the hearing seriously. Didn't even put on a
serious defense. And that can be in competence. That can
be that they had no defense to put on. That
that is exactly how they're doing it. They say, it's
the totality of the circumstances. That's what Homan says. The
head of Ice, who has no respect for the courts
and all, has made that clear. The totality of the

(01:44:13):
circumstances seemed to be he was totally brown and he
was speaking Spanish.

Speaker 1 (01:44:19):
So that temporarily shuts this down, or it forces ICE
to concoct evidence in some way that might justify the
way you always say pulling somebody over. If you follow
them for three blocks, you can always find a reason
to pull them over. I wonder if you feel as
though this legal judgment and this injunction or ruling against

(01:44:44):
the way that ICE has been doing things is going
to have any kind of effect as to how they
will concoct, as they say, a plan or a strategy
moving forward. They still want to they ramp up these
deportations in ways that you know, are incredibly aggressive, and
I'm wondering if you can speak to you know what
will likely happen, then.

Speaker 4 (01:45:06):
Well, I think they'll come up with a better defense.
I think that, uh, they'll probably.

Speaker 1 (01:45:12):
Better today they were in Sacramento apparently I just saw
this in the chat picking up people at home depot.
I mean, is that a you know, it's it's sort
of the.

Speaker 4 (01:45:20):
Remember those they don't like those nationwide injunctions. So my
understanding is it's not a nationwide injunction. It covers the
Central District of California, which is why they probably have
taken their you know, their their Macaber Sacramento Micawber Circus
up to Sacramento and other places that are outside of
the central district. The Central district includes Santa Barbara County.

(01:45:41):
It would include Ventura where they had that that that
awful encounter out there and somebody was so scared of
them that he actually died.

Speaker 1 (01:45:50):
He fell to ventur con So.

Speaker 4 (01:45:53):
Ventura County, Santa Barbara County, all the way out to
the Nevada line. The order, her order would cover all
of that. And my understanding is that they have stopped
and backed off at least until they get another rule.
I mean, there is an injunction right now. You're in
contempt of court if you violate my order, and the
order is not to stop people on the basis of
them being brown skinned, and they don't seem to have

(01:46:14):
any other plan. Now. If they continue to lose that case,
we may be kind of just carved out district where
they're not doing this anymore and happy just to have that.
They have to litigate this case better if it gets challenged.
They have to come up with some plan and show
the totality and have some statistics that ninety eight percent
of the people at a car washer are illegal, so

(01:46:35):
it's not because they're brown, and they'll have something that
they arrested people who weren't brown, you know, what I mean,
they'll they'll try to gussie up the records somehow, But
I have no confidence in these people at the Department
of Justice. I mean, I'm shocked to hear myself say this,
because I would have told you, you know, two years ago,
I would have said, well, my goodness. I mean, you
got the Department of Justice involved. You've got these assistant
US attorneys. They're all doing this not for the money.

(01:46:57):
They're doing this because they believe in the rule of law.
But my confidence is getting very shaken because I've said
for a long time, it's not really a government of
laws in this country. It was meant to be, but
it's more a government of the men and women who
choose to do it.

Speaker 1 (01:47:11):
Thank you. I've been saying that ever since we've been
on the air. I've been saying it for years. It's
not that the systems are flawed. It's that the systems
are the people who inhabit the systems, and so if
those people are corrupt, you have a corrupt system by definition.
So Well said, let me just quickly get you onto
and I know our time is short, but I didn't
want the shadow docket decision from Scotus on the dismantling

(01:47:35):
of the Department of Education. They just dismissed everybody, and
the shadow docket. You've said before, they kind of this
is in a summer session. They're not really there. They
make a decision, there's no real explanation on it, and
they say, hey, yeah, Trump administration and McMahon, who runs
a Department of Education, You're okay getting rid of all
these Department of Education employees and just dismissing them without cause.

Speaker 4 (01:47:57):
Well, I was a bit surprised, and people have said
that they should at least explain their ruling. There was
almost no or was no explanation for this ruling. The
Supreme Court six to three when they allowed that, when
they said on the merits that they thought that that
judge was wrong in what she ordered as the entire

(01:48:18):
federal workforce. And I thought, and she thought, and the
Ninth Circuit thought that Congress had to be more involved.
And the Supreme Court in that ruling from last term
and now this summer ruling, they obviously have in their
mind the sixth of them that the president can hobble
these agencies a lot more than people had thought without

(01:48:41):
having Congress involved. He still hasn't gone back to Congress
because there aren't sixty votes to do it in the Senate,
And so they seem to have in mind that even
what he did at the Department of Education is within
how far he can go. Now, Trump himself has acknowledged
that he cannot abolish an agency, and it seemed awfully
close to abolishing an agency if you can dismiss a

(01:49:03):
quarter of the people who work there. I mean, he
doesn't have to go to Congress to dismiss five or
six people. If there was some part of it that
was started by Biden had six people working for it, Mark,
you can see where he could dismiss those six people.
And when they said, well it was a little department,
you have to go to Congress. Because there was a
little department of six people. That's on one side of
the equation. But I think a lot of lawyers, including

(01:49:24):
the judge who ruled on it and the Ninth Circuit
Court of Appeals, thought that you couldn't go this far
as he's gone in dismissing people at an agency, and
by ruling the way that they did, I think what
they're saying is that just like they ruled with the
sixteen federal agencies, that it looks like he's going to
win on the merits. What they would say to you
is that they have not ruled on the merits on

(01:49:46):
the case of the sixteen federal agencies, and they haven't
ruled on the Department of Education. They've just said that
they're not going to put a stay in effect. So
while it's being litigated about the Department of Education, like
while it's being litigated about the other sixteen federal agencies
from just a month ago, that the Trump's orders can

(01:50:07):
go into effect, which means the people can be dismissed.
That's why soon after that ruling about the Department of Education,
thousands mark thousands of pink slips went out. And what
I don't get with this Supreme Court is that they
don't see the balance of equities being in favor of
the workers. The workers, you cannot unscramble that egg. You
can unscramble the egg the other way if the government

(01:50:29):
is right. Okay, so it took a few more months
to get rid of those people, But then when it's
actually a final ruling in the case, you can get
rid of those people. But the reality is that you
can get rid of those people without having the stay
in effect, and you can never unscramble the egg. I
just hope that a lot of those people number one
will get good jobs other places. I hope some of

(01:50:49):
them were planning to retire or leave the government anyway.
And hopefully all of those programs won't be curtailed so
much that the pel grants will come out.

Speaker 1 (01:50:58):
But I want to.

Speaker 4 (01:50:59):
Say one last thing, because I'm a product, and a
lot of your listeners are the product. You know, we
need to stand up more for the Department of Education.
It's not just a bunch of bureaucrats who sit around
there and play tittaly winks. I was able to go
to college and law school through the Department of Education
through grants that came through them. I don't think it
even been created yet. But the agencies that got brought

(01:51:20):
into the Department of Education, whatever it was seventy nine
by Carter, those were the agencies that helped pay my
They got me student loans at three percent, they got
me pell grants, they got me all that kind of stuff.
Our lives, the people who listen to your show, and
a whole lot of people, millions and millions of people
in this country. We have been helped to get into
the middle class, the upper middle class, whatever the hell

(01:51:40):
we're in, by the Department of Education's programs. And my
last thing on this is that if you can do
this to the Department of Education, you can do this
to the Department of Defense. All these Republicans are very shortsighted.
You can apparently cut one quarter of the Department of
Defense when the Democrats get back in power. Okay, even

(01:52:01):
without Congress. All you need is a Democratic president and
the Congress can stay Republican. You can cut one quarter
of the Department of Defense. Hear me, one quarter of
the Department of Defense. The new Democratic president can do
without going to Congress.

Speaker 1 (01:52:16):
Hear me, David Katz, hear me, David cats was.

Speaker 4 (01:52:19):
Just like that. When it happens.

Speaker 1 (01:52:21):
I get your point, And of course you're right. I mean, eventually,
you know, Democrats may reascend a power if the structure
of America governmentally and electorally is left intact. But I
would say this about that, I would say it's politically
not feasible to cut the Department of Defense. Look at

(01:52:42):
the way all these Democrats always vote for additional funding,
even more funding than DD asks for. I mean, you
know this. You were in Washington. I grew up in Washington.
No one touches the DoD budget, and so the notion,
I mean, I get your point theoretically, Look, guys, be careful,
live by the shore, d die by the sword. But

(01:53:02):
the idea is, I think when it comes to the
Department of Defense not applicable because I just feel as
though it's politically not feasible to cut DoD in any way. Look,
even Elon Musk, who was basically slashing everything, he didn't
go near DoD.

Speaker 4 (01:53:18):
But the Republicans are in charge. If you don't like
the DD example, how about the Ice example. Ice now
has a budget which is larger than the military budget
of any country besides ours and China. Is that weird?

Speaker 1 (01:53:32):
I like that. I like that example more. Yes, spending
more on.

Speaker 4 (01:53:35):
Ice than Let me just say, there's so much fat
in the military. You know this has been true for
decades and decades and people people know it. Why do
we have a base in every state and sometimes we
have two or three bases in these states? These cases
are they're landlocked, There's nobody attacking them, there's nothing happening
you know in the you know the states I'm talking about,

(01:53:56):
they're all over the South in particular.

Speaker 1 (01:53:57):
Well, that's how defense contract get the appropriations, because they
take care of every state and every legislator exactly right.
The game is, Yeah, the game is so obvious.

Speaker 4 (01:54:09):
There's some more waste Mark in the Department of Defense
than there ever was in the Department of Education. There
just is. Every economist will tell you that everybody's looked
at it. I know this different political dynamicause that's why
I'm a lawyer and you're the politically savvy guy.

Speaker 1 (01:54:21):
No, no, no, look at this more fifteen hundred says
I disagree, Mark, call their bluff. Don't get me wrong.
I love the play. I'm telling you. Politically, look at
what David cass just has said decade after decade, they
don't touch DoD Why do you think that is. It's
not out of some philosophical underpinning. It's because they know
that it's a political third rail to vote against defense.

(01:54:45):
I mean, I do believe that they they skinnied it
slightly in some areas under Obama. I want to say maybe,
or at least they talked about a more efficient military force.
They were going to change it from sort of this
post World war or to battleship centric force to a
kind of a updated force. That's about the best you

(01:55:07):
can really get away with because, as I say, politically,
it's just not people. But we can go round and
around on this. Look, you've been great again, generous with
your time, and you're so lovely to tolerate my pushback
on certain things when it comes to the politics of it.
But wow, I'm looking forward to watching more of you
and David k. Johnston on British television. So thanks, I'll

(01:55:28):
see you next Thursday. And you're the best, Davidkats.

Speaker 4 (01:55:31):
I love the collaquey with you in the question revel
in the question mark, enjoy.

Speaker 1 (01:55:35):
All the best, my friend. Yeah, David Kats. Everybody right on,
right on. Wow, David is the best. I love going
around with him. Quickly, I wanted to what do we
have Albert and Kim? Can I do I have time

(01:55:55):
for to read some comments on the way hot?

Speaker 2 (01:55:59):
Yeah, I think you should.

Speaker 1 (01:56:01):
Calvin Wong, who is a shadow producer of the show Bobert,
wants Matt Gates as special prosecutor for the Epstein Files.
I think she literally did say that I mean, is
that comical or what Matt Gates. Wow, Maria Maria Clayton
at twenty dollars super Chat. Thanks for all you guys.

(01:56:21):
Do love watching your show from Saint Pete, Florida. Come on,
Saint Pete, big shout out, big shout out, Saint Pete, Florida.

Speaker 3 (01:56:32):
I got to go look for what's going on in
Saint Petersburg. Maybe for tomorrow.

Speaker 1 (01:56:36):
That's right, Friday Fabulous Florida is awaiting you just to
hear day Away. You guys are getting me through this year,
says Quill Classic. Barry says, I'm with you on your
take on Michael Flynn and Comy. Thank you for that.
I always like people who are with me on my take.
Thank you Berry. You guys are getting me through this year,
says Quill Classics. Thank you, Quill. And sadly, the year

(01:57:01):
is only about halfway over, so there's a lot of
year still to come. Didty's trial sounded like another distraction
from the real issues that really matter? Why give it time?
Says chaplain Fred. Yeah, well again, it's sort of the
same mix of stuff that's associated with the Epstein trial.
In a way, sex always gets attention this was sex

(01:57:28):
perversion of one sort or another alleged. The powerful person
that did he was wealthy entertainment celebrity. That's why you
know that.

Speaker 3 (01:57:41):
He also had a lung list of celebrities tied to him,
to including actors and actors like very prominent people.

Speaker 1 (01:57:46):
So yeah, thank you. I mean again, when you add
celebrity and you have sex, you get that. Beth farmercy
with a nineteen ninety nine to twenty dollars super chat. Wow,
she says, my daughter lives in Spain. The rumor going
around there is that Ice is deporting immigrants by flying

(01:58:07):
them over the ocean and throwing them out of the plane.
What really, that's let me tell you. I don't put
anything past anybody. I mean, I guess that's the What
movie was that Scarface where the guy did where they
did that? Albert? You're like a scarface guy? Maybe I
don't know, but that was Albert?

Speaker 6 (01:58:28):
Thank you.

Speaker 1 (01:58:30):
I haven't seen that. Beth Farmer. First of all, I
love that your daughter lives in Spain. Will she sponsor
my new citizenship there?

Speaker 3 (01:58:38):
I think you say there long enough the mark they
will accept you.

Speaker 1 (01:58:42):
You got it. It takes a couple of million dollars though,
I think it's really expensive to me. You have to,
you know, so I need a whole GoFundMe to really
make it happen.

Speaker 3 (01:58:50):
My tighest of Spain being Filipino. If I do say
they're long enough, they will grant me citizenship.

Speaker 1 (01:58:55):
Wow, that is part of the ordinary.

Speaker 3 (01:58:59):
Yeah, used to be part of their land.

Speaker 1 (01:59:02):
That's right. Of course you were as a philippinox. Well
the Yeah, what's that?

Speaker 2 (01:59:11):
I'm a dual citizen of Luxembourg.

Speaker 1 (01:59:14):
That's unreal. Kim really outranks us in every way. Uh,
Supersticker from miss Organic shout out, miss Organic, thank you
for the five dollars. Supersticker really appreciate that ICE was
running a raid at Home Depot and Sacramento this morning,
says Randy. Yeah, I mentioned that to David Kats. Michael

(01:59:35):
Feinberg is the agent that came out about UH seasoned
agents being used for security. Oh, that's interesting, says Repute.
We're talking about FBI agents being used for UH security
and being used to essentially help out on these ICE rays.
That relates to what we're talking about with David Kats.
Refurbishing Alcatraz is absolutely ridiculous. Says to Lette. It's in shambles. Yes, well,

(01:59:57):
it's crumbling. Let's not be too quick. Little bit of
paint and some well placed wicker could totally change the
look of alcatraz am I right, people, you know what
I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (02:00:08):
Sounds like an HGTV and a TLCMI.

Speaker 1 (02:00:12):
That would be the greatest, the greatest upgrade improvement show ever.

Speaker 2 (02:00:18):
Before and after Trump's new prisons.

Speaker 1 (02:00:21):
Yeah, and Michael d says, Mark, can we call Spielberg
and offer Trump a role as Tony Soprano in a
reboot of the Sopranos series. I think that's the surest
way to get him out of the Oval office in
the coming year. He's found his magic spot, Michael. Although

(02:00:42):
I love it, but I don't think he's leaving for anything.
He's got it. All the world is coming to him.
His demands are being met, his lunacy is being indulged.
But he does have a political problem on his hands,
and it's related to this thing which doesn't seem to
go away. But as I mentioned, if you haven't seen it,

(02:01:05):
I've talked about what I think is going to happen
and what I think Trump will do to try to
essentially build a media distraction to get people away from Epstein.
So I don't know that it'll be successful, but that's
what film. Alcatraz, no water, no septic. Well that's right now,

(02:01:25):
but it's going to be. You know, they'll never be
anything like it once Trump gets done with it.

Speaker 4 (02:01:31):
There's never been anything like this.

Speaker 1 (02:01:33):
Yeah, exactly, it'll be. It'll be a whole new place,
you know what I mean.

Speaker 4 (02:01:37):
I've never seen anything like Yeah.

Speaker 1 (02:01:39):
Kelly molloy, thank you for the two dollars supersticker and
now a farewell from the great Shadow.

Speaker 13 (02:01:45):
I'm a shadow of Steven's for the Mark Johnson Show.

Speaker 1 (02:01:48):
Bye by, Kim, I'll see you tomorrow. Albert, I'll see
you tomorrow, and all of you, I hope i'll see
you tomorrow. We're out of time.

Speaker 6 (02:01:56):
Thank you, and bye bye.

Speaker 1 (02:02:12):
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