Trump Intensifies War on the Left, Blasting Critics, David Cay Johnston Joins 9/16/25

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
And hello, and good morning, and good afternoon and good
evening to everyone around this great globe. We are on.
I've brought with me my dear friends. Kim is here
and Tony is here as well, So the three of
us we will command the ship of State toward a

(00:23):
smooth flight. Your destination will include visits with Richard Green,
the Civics.

Speaker 2 (00:30):
Deed.

Speaker 1 (00:31):
Yeah, some thoughts on what is happening with Charlie Kirk
in the aftermath of his murder and the investigation as
to the sources of those things that produce the hate
that overflowed into the incident that was the assassination of

(00:52):
Charlie Kirk. And in the second hour it is the
Pulitzer Prize winner best selling author David K. Johnson been.
I can't wait to talk to David about the changes
in America that are coming so very very quickly. The
war on the left is on. We'll talk about that.

(01:13):
The source of all America's ills apparently. Got a call
from Chip Franklin today. Used to be our Oh yeah, yeah,
I got a text, actually not a call. It's kind
of wild just to to hear from him after so long.
I haven't really you know, I responded, but I haven't
had a chance to really speak with him, but he

(01:35):
was always doing well. Chip is always does he want
to come on the podcast? What's I don't know, I
don't know. That wasn't what it was about. It was
with Chip, it's always about you know, economic opportunity or
I've figured something out of the social media actually works
like this, and you know, it's he's always got a
bunch of stuff going. So it was kind of fun though,

(01:56):
and I mentioned it for a lot of you. You
may not even know that name, but he was our
colleague a KGO Radio. This show came from a kg
O radio show. KGO Radio went away. We were a
successful radio show, news and politics, but the entire station
was deleted. In effect, it's what happens with broadcast conglomerates.

(02:16):
And I might mention as the merging of so many
broadcast and information sources continues in America. I mean it's
really continuing unabated, and now you have the White House
exercising leverage on many of these mergers. And for example,
the sky Dance deal with Paramount, that was a situation

(02:38):
that was awaiting Trump administration green light. They give the
green light with what we're likely some provisos, one of
which was getting rid of Stephen Colbert probably, so I
mean that was that whole CBS deal with Paramount, and
now the next iteration of it will be a bigger acquisition,

(03:03):
which is TikTok. And so TikTok looks as though and
again this is all a little up preliminary. You'll remember
that we were talking about it yesterday. Scott Bessen was saying,
the TikTok dealers in the works, can't say who's actually
going to get it, but you know, we are, as
Americans now going to have a significant share of TikTok

(03:27):
and control of this platform, so that the Chinese information
lords and surveillance state won't be able to surveil Americans.
We'd rather have the American surveillance state surveill Americans. So anyway,
it looks as though it'll be gifted to Larry Ellison

(03:48):
and the Ellison crew, and that then would include all
of these other broadcast entities, making a gargantuan, powerful information
platform for Ellison and those who are aligned with the administration.
I would also say that you know, likely there may

(04:11):
be somebody getting their beat wedded along the way, you
can watch this as I do unfold. Maybe it won't
unfold that way, but it looks as though it will
unfold that way. And so that's just sort of a
bit of the information game. So when we talk about
where we came from, it's a weird thing. And that's

(04:32):
if you follow the breadcrumbs of this conversation. That's where
I started. We were we were deleted from a huge
broadcast conglomerates. Bottom line, it was just easier to get
rid of the host, get rid of the producers, get
rid of you know, engineers, the news department, get rid

(04:52):
of all that and just run syndicated programming. And then
that turned into a So they got rid of us,
and they got rid of KGO Radio, they deleted it.
They re signed on the air as a gambling sports
talk station, and then it was an abysmal failure and
now it's nothing. Now they rebroadcast what was on the

(05:14):
right wing station that they also owned, just again it's syndicated.
There's no local programming. So I mentioned this in that
we came from that, but that's our origin story. Yet
it's so relevant to what's happening in broadcasting and in
information in America today as there's a consolidation more and more,

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and as I've mentioned, it includes the acquisition of TikTok.
So we'll talk about the war on the left. I
want to recognize first into the chat today I had
first and was zero some bravo, you can jump onto
the chat before we're actually on zero Some did. Then

(05:58):
it was mystery singer, and then some birthdays mentioned by
Nella Fidion, Peter falk Allen Funt, David Copperfield, Lauren Bacall
and Francis B. B King, Ed Begley Junior friend of
the show, and Jack Kelly, and then of course the
loss Bigie sixty one points out that Robert Redford, Yeah,

(06:24):
passed away. So Robert Redford, this gorgeous screen star of
the sixties and seventies, and I guess across the decades,
eighties and nineties, even to the two thousands. I mean
he I think he was.

Speaker 3 (06:39):
He is an a lister forever, you know.

Speaker 1 (06:41):
Yeah, I think that Kim is right in mentioning that,
and Academy Award winning director as well. You know, butch
Cassie and the Sundance Kid you saw still from that
those who are watching on YouTube, The Sting, All the
President's Men, Ordinary People. I mean these are cornerstone type films.

(07:06):
He was also outspoken as a climate activist, founded the
Redford Center with his late son James. That was in
two thousand and five, and a huge heart throb in
the nineteen seventies. I and look at the guy. He's
a megababe on megababe talent to back up his good looks. Yeah.

(07:30):
He got a Best Actor Academy Award nomination in nineteen
seventy three for The Sting, Best Director Award for nineteen
eighties Ordinary People, another Best Director nomination for Quiz Show,
which was in nineteen ninety four. He said, I've spent
most of my life just focused on the road ahead,
not looking back. He said in the acceptance speech for

(07:54):
his two thousand and two honorary Oscar Tonight, I'm seeing
in the rear view mirror that there is something that
I've not thought about much, called history. Born in nineteen
thirty six in Santa Monica, California, student at the American
Academy of Dramatic Arts, made his Broadway debut in nineteen

(08:15):
fifty nine. Tall Story was the production. Then he had
the lead in Barefoot in the Park in nineteen sixty three.
I mean, he went from zero to you know, lead
in a big movie in short order. He also reprised
that role in the nineteen sixty seven adaptation with Jane

(08:35):
Fonda of Barefoot in the Park. His on Spring career
began in the sixties roles like Roote sixty six and
Alfred Hitchcock Presents, and you know, he was in the
Twilight Zone, the Untouchables. You know, he's a TV actor,
a working actor. And then in nineteen sixty nine Butch
Cassidy and The Sundance Kid alongside Paul Newman, and it

(08:57):
was on after that. I was being put up for
Butch Cassidy because I'd done comedy, but that part didn't
interest me. He said, what interested me was The Sundance
Kid because I could relate to that based on my
own experience, in particularly my own childhood and feeling like
an outlaw most of my life. So I told director
George roy Hill, and he knew Paul really well, and

(09:20):
he knew he was much more like Butch Cassidy. So
George turned it all around. He went to Paul and
argued a bit until Paul finally realized that George was right.
He was well known. I wasn't, which is why they
switched the title. Also, that's interesting, right, that he wanted
the Sundance Kid roll. Yeah, the way we were in

(09:45):
nineteen seventy three, The Great Gatsby, All the President's Men,
which everyone should see, The Natural Indecent Proposal, The Horse Whisper,
and All Is Lost in twenty thirteen, which is a
fascinating film. There's almost no dialogue in it. He is
Law at Sea. I think there may literally be only
one line of dialogue in the entire movie. He directed

(10:07):
A river runs through it. In addition to Ordinary People,
The Legendary Bagger, Legend of Bagger Vance, a quiz Show,
Lions for Lamb, several other films, and in twenty eighteen,
he said he would be retiring after making Old Man
and the Gun. He started alongside Casey Affleck and Sissy

(10:29):
Space like Danny Glover. Never say never, he said, but
I pretty well concluded that this would be it for
me in terms of acting. And I'll move toward retirement
after this because I've been doing it since I was
twenty one, he said at the time. A month later,
at the premiere of the film. He said that he
regretted saying he was retiring and emphasized he was not

(10:50):
sure what the future held. He said, I think it
was a mistake to say I was retiring, because you
never know. It did feel like it was time maybe
to trade on another category. But he returned to the
screen This past March. He had a cameo on the
thriller series Dark Winds. That was his final screen role.

(11:15):
He lent his voice to twenty twenties Omniboat A fast
Boat Fantasia, as well as his wife, Sybil Sybil Saggars
Redford's twenty twenty four performance art piece The Way of
the Rain Hope for Earth. I guess so he was.
He did a voice over for his wife's piece as mentioned,

(11:41):
I'm not familiar with it, as you can tell. So apparently,
you know, it's one of those things didn't get quite
maybe the heat that it deserved. He got the season
Beata mill Award This Green Actors, And of course his
son died from cancer at fifty eight. So Ye had.

Speaker 3 (12:00):
Two sons that died. He had one son that died
of sudden infant death syndrome and then another one that
died of cancer in twenty twenty, but his two daughters
remain so.

Speaker 1 (12:13):
Redford and his ex wife Lola van Waganen had four
children together. Yeah, as Kim was mentioning, and I would
just say that what he did and his focus on
the environment is something I've always had terrific both respect

(12:35):
for and great regard for. When I think of Robert Redford,
I mean I used to think of him as this,
you know, obviously, this atalist actor, as we were saying.
But his supportive film through the Sundance Film Festival, his
support of the environment though through the acres and acres

(12:56):
of land that he purchased and protected, his vision of
the future that would protect the environment makes him a
significant figure from the standpoint of environmentalism, and especially now
with the environment I think threatened in a way it's
never been threatened before. Much of his work, I hope

(13:17):
will continue and it will be his great legacy. But
he passes away, does Robert Redford. He was how old
ken eight nine eighty nine and still good looking? Yeah, yeah,
good looking until the end. Robert Redford rest in peace.
Mark Thompson Show, thank you for being with us. Sadly

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we must turn from remembering a great life to now
reflecting on our own, which hopefully has aspects of greatness
and aspects of anxiety of producing urgency when it comes
to much of what's happening in America and across the world.

(14:01):
I thought, one of the luxuries that I would, I guess,
offer up to our audience is our connection with a
really great mind when it comes to so much in
the way of politics, in the way of everything going
on in the world. That's Richard Green, the Civics Dean.
So I jumped on with him last night. I said, hey,

(14:22):
would you give me a few minutes just to talk
about what's happening now, what power the people still have,
and also specifically speak to some of the redistricting that
we talk about as now very relevant to more and
more states congressional elections that are coming up. So how
about it. Here he is Richard Green, the Civics Dean. Hello, sir,

(14:46):
thank you for joining.

Speaker 4 (14:49):
Thank you Mark, and you are almost as handsome as
Robert Redford. But I do want to say that Robert
Redford really helps redeem the city of Santa Monica, because
not only has Santa Monica contributed Stephen Miller to the
world based on what you just said. We also contributed

(15:12):
Robert Redford and almost balances.

Speaker 1 (15:14):
Out that that again as a take I never would
have expected, so thank you for that. I uh, by
the way, just to interesting, you know, Santa Monica is
sort of this it's viewed as it's a gorgeous place
right alongside the ocean, all this kind of thing. But
the big news out of Santa Monica, California I was
reading is that they don't have any money, and that
they are One of the reason that I have any

(15:35):
money is because they're paying all of these lawsuits out
I guess they're they're all these cops, the cops there
in Santa Monica and their lawsuits against them, and they've
been paying settlement somewhere. It's a ton of money. And
now this beautiful city which is inhabited by you know,
people like Richard Green, the Civic Steen, you know, Bob
Dylan's son Jacob. I mean, it's star after star. I
mean that live in Santa Monica. They're living, they're living

(15:59):
in a place that is out of money. I mean
they're underwater that way.

Speaker 4 (16:04):
Well, actually, as you know, I live near Santa Monica,
so don't blame me for the economic problems of Santa Monica.

Speaker 1 (16:13):
Yeah, okay, very good. I actually don't agree to where
you live because I know you live in a special,
you know, undisclosed location. Now I want to I want
to focus on what's happening, and I want to I
want to start with the declared articulated war on the
left if I could. I mean, it seems as though

(16:34):
it's a it's been animated by the Charlie Kirk murder.
But I wonder if you could speak to what is
happening and the sort of cancel culture that was decried
by the right and by MAGA, which seems very relevant
to virtually every move they're making politically.

Speaker 4 (16:51):
Now, yeah, I have two main main points on this.
Number One, this was one guy who shot Charlie Cook,
one guy at a three hundred and forty million And
our entire political discourse in the future of our democracy
should not depend on that Roulette rule wheel whether that

(17:14):
guy who decided it was a super cool idea to
get a rifle and shoot this guy happened to be
a Democrat or a Republican, or a liberal or a conservative.
So I think the whole conversation is bs. But the
bigger point is this is exactly what to talitarian, authoritarian

(17:35):
fascist leaders do is the cherry pick information and they
blame the other to whether it's immigrants or back in
the forties, whether it was Jews, or now it's Democrats.
And you have Santa Monica natives Stephen Miller now saying
he's going to go after all of us liberals who

(17:58):
are rabble rousing and just destroying the country. But again
we have to see this for what it is. First
of all, it's cherry picking because Donald Trump absolutely knows
that the vast majority of these kind of killings are
coming from the right. And yesterday when he was asked
about the Speaker of the House, you know in Minnesota,

(18:20):
it's like, oh, yeah, yeah, tell me.

Speaker 3 (18:22):
Who is that.

Speaker 4 (18:23):
I mean, he is so full of it. But that's
part of the playbook is oh, well, that doesn't matter,
that's not true. It's only liberal Democrats who are destroying
this country. And secondly, he will continue to do this
until the end of his reign of terrory.

Speaker 1 (18:43):
You just will.

Speaker 3 (18:44):
That's what they do.

Speaker 1 (18:46):
Well, when you say continue to do this, sadly, it's
more than just rhetoric. I mean there are real canceled
lives associated with this. People are losing work. There is
a calming or social media to find those who may
said something that was disparaging about Charlie Kirk. I don't
think there's even some sort of rigorous process being applied.

(19:09):
I think it's just a chance to root out whomever
they don't like.

Speaker 4 (19:13):
I mean, I literally got an email from someone who
runs a Facebook page that I have been very involved
with called Hamilton Electors and with like sixty thousand members
in it, and said, I've got to take it down
because we have stuff on there that Stephen Miller and

(19:33):
Donald Trump may not like. And the truth is Donald
Trump wants chaos. He is that Tyler Robinson or other
was lived as a way to justify coming in just
like that. There were protests and a little bit Lost

(19:55):
Angeles that was pre text in the net are into
sending the Marines.

Speaker 1 (20:02):
This is what just do.

Speaker 4 (20:06):
They will leverage and take advantage of everything that they
can use to justify what they wanted all along, which
is a police state and a talitarian authority and thing
where don't you get deid what to doing this because
he's making you safer?

Speaker 1 (20:27):
Uh, Tony. First of all, is a is he getting
corrupted Richard Green's signal a little bit? Or is it
just me on my end he's getting corrupted? Okay, we'll
just stay with it and hope that it corrects itself.
But but your point, just to reiterate, I think most
of you could make it out, is that you know
it's being it's being cherry picked. All information is being

(20:49):
cherry picked, All statements are being cherry picked for those
things that will allow the state to ratchet up and
clamp down on speech. And it's interesting, you know, you
have such a deep background in the legal profession. First
Amendment seems to sort of such a cornerstone of American life,
of the American Constitution. It's odd to see it's so threatened,

(21:10):
I mean by the state. In other words, you that's
the fundamental aspect of the First Amendment, isn't it, Richard Green,
that the state cannot come after you for anything? You say, yeah, absolutely,
We will see one second, one second, hang, one second,
what should he do? Should he sign off and come
back on? You know he he lives in this subterranean

(21:32):
protected area. He's gonna he just dropped out. He's going
to come back.

Speaker 5 (21:36):
Yeah, yeah, because he does it on his phone. So
if the phone doesn't have a good Wi Fi connection,
I'm guessing right phone, it happened.

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Speaker 3 (22:54):
I'm one of the things I was going to mention
that you guys were talking about is free speech. And
I saw this article about Pam Bondy and she's talking
about the DOJ targeting people who use hate speech. This
is from NBC News, and she said there's a difference
between free speech and hate speech. She was on the

(23:18):
Katie Miller podcast and is basically kind of brushing off
these concerns about the First Amendment. She said, we will
absolutely target you, go after you if you are targeting
anyone with hate speech, anything that's across the aisle. But
I guess the question is then who judges whether it's
free speech or hate speech? And how I mean that

(23:40):
seems rather vague unless you're calling someone, I don't know,
racial epithets.

Speaker 1 (23:49):
You know. Well, this is what I was saying before
when I said there's really no rigorous process being associated.
Whether it's a straight up you know, I'll know it
when I see it. It's what the Supreme Court used
to say about pornography. Let me get Richard green back
just to continue this conversation. He's now gone to I
think a better location for a signal. Thank you, Richard Green.
But Kim brings up a good point on Pam Bondy.

(24:11):
You know, Bondi has tremendous control really running the Justice Department.
And she says there's free speech and then there's hate speech.
And she said that we will absolutely target you, go
after you if you are targeting anyone with hate speech anything,
and that's across the aisle. You can't have that hate
speech in the world at which we live. She said,

(24:31):
there is no place, especially now, especially after what happened
to Charlie, in our society, that that is acceptable. Can
you speak to that?

Speaker 4 (24:42):
Yeah, you know what, it doesn't matter whether it violates
the First Amend of the Constitution. The goal has already
been accomplished. The administration in Pam Bondy and Donald Trump
have sent a chilling message to the country and we
are now living in fear like so many other countries

(25:05):
have done, people in Russia and other totalitarian dictatorships. And
Kim was right and you were right. It ultimately, if
it is going to be tested, it will depend on
the Supreme Court. And I heard something yesterday that is
shocking about why the Supreme Court seems to always be
allowing Donald Trump to win in these hearings that they've had,

(25:29):
you know, dealing with every action he's taken. And the theory,
and I think it might be true, is that John
Roberts and the rest of the Court do not want
a constitutional crisis. And I think they're sitting back there
and saying, listen, if we rule against Donald Trump on
this when he is going to defy the Supreme Court
of the United States, if he does that, then we

(25:55):
have zero power. So let's at least hold on to
some power and be able to stop him on some
things and give him everything else he wants.

Speaker 1 (26:04):
Wow, that's an extraordinary thing to consider. That really is
I mean.

Speaker 4 (26:09):
It makes sense though, doesn't it.

Speaker 1 (26:11):
Yeah, I mean it certainly does. It's hard to square
it otherwise, apart from the fact that they would be
in on it, that the Supreme Court is sort of
in on the reconstitution of this country without regard to
a lot of those things that we've just found our
foundational tenets of the country.

Speaker 4 (26:28):
I think that's true. I think that's true for Thomas
and Alito. I'm not sure about the rest, right.

Speaker 1 (26:34):
I would agree with that I mean, I think without question,
Thomas and Alito fall in the category they're up for
the reconstituting of America. I want to ask you quickly
about registering voters. I know you're you're all about that,
and this is one of the great superpowers I think
you have, which is the levers still available to us
as citizens are there, but we have to use them.

Speaker 4 (26:58):
So today is National voter Registration Day, and California has
an unbelievably important opportunity to help stop Donald Trump from
taking over complete control of everything if in fact, because
Texas added five Republican seats instead of only having to

(27:19):
flip three seats to have Democrats take control of the
House in the midterm elections, which would allow them to
say no to increase funding for ice, say no to
any other crazy, horrible thing Donald Trump wants to do.
For this second two years, we now have to flip
eight seats to have Democrats have that level of check

(27:42):
and balance. That's what Proposition fifty is all about. It's
having us get those five additional democratic likely democratic districts
to actually level the playing field with what Texas did.
And so I created a bitly link helping the governor
and his campaign Prop fifty. If you're not registered and

(28:05):
you live in California, please get registered. If you know
young people who turned eighteen after the last election, get
them registered. So bit dot l y slash register to
the number two Stop Donald Trump. Register to stop Donald Trump.
That's the bitly link. And we're probably going to lose

(28:26):
that election because there's so much Republican money coming in
because people don't understand how important it is. Let's just
level that playing field and make sure that there can
be some check and balance on Trump in the second
two years of his term.

Speaker 1 (28:40):
Go back to what you were just saying that you
think that that the election will be lost because there
won't be I'm sorry, be a little more specific. People
just don't get how important it is or what is your.

Speaker 4 (28:52):
Point Right now, it's very close in terms of the polling,
but there's so much money coming in from Republican donor
is like Kevin McCarthy said, he's raising one hundred million
dollars and because people don't understand civics and they just
to be clear about the Prop fifty is the only

(29:13):
thing we in California can do between now and the
midterms and It's an incredibly important thing for the entire country.
Unless California passes Prop fifty, the Democrats will have a
very very difficult, if not impossible case to actually get
control of the House of Representatives and be able to

(29:35):
have a check and balance on Donald Trump. So right now,
as I said, we need to flip three seats for
Democrats to take control of the House. Texas added five,
so now we have to flip eight seats. If California
passes Prop fifty, we go back to three, which makes
it much more likely that it will be a competitive

(29:55):
mid term election. But also Donald Trump is not going
to stop and he's going to try to get some
more seats out of Missouri and other Republican states. So
this is a jerry Mandarin war in California.

Speaker 3 (30:09):
This is the first battle.

Speaker 4 (30:10):
So people have to register and they have to vote
yes on Prop fifty.

Speaker 1 (30:15):
And it's noted Villman notes, what about the seats in
Missouri is creating for Republicans. There are other red states
that are getting into this game, and then there are
other blue states getting into this game.

Speaker 4 (30:24):
Right, Yeah, So we have to do what we can
do in California, where the biggest states were the biggest state.
These five seats will likely determine who controls the House
of Representatives for the next two years.

Speaker 1 (30:37):
That's why California is not just California in this case.
Richard's point is it really determinative, potentially America's future on
the line, and that's almost what happens in California. It
really will determine what is ahead. Pal. I appreciate you,
you know, scramblin to get together and join us. I

(30:58):
always appreciate your contributions. Good luck with registering voters and
getting the word out. And you have a safe harbor here.
Please come back and visit. Thanks.

Speaker 4 (31:08):
Sorry for the wi FI. It only happens with you.
But I'm happy to come. I'm happy to come out
to my car to try to give you a high
quality show.

Speaker 1 (31:18):
No, we know that's the high ground is the car.
So thanks Richard, Thanks Richard, Bravo, my friend Martin Thompson show. Yeah,
there is a lot going on, Obi Wan says, a
call to action for Prop fifty. Yeah, good man says Chantal, Yeah,

(31:44):
I mean it is true. Uh, Donald the gloomy main
coon says, Unfortunately the GOP has an advantage in jerrymandering
and can overwhelm the Democrats. I mean it would appear
that so far that's true, but it may not be
so will you know. We'll watch with interest the the

(32:06):
prop fifty election. Uh, Courtney, I thought you were going
to join us for a moment too, as a palette
cleanser to all the nasty that is. Oh you are okay? Yeah,
my my, my darling Courtney is joining everyone and the
reason and it's related to the show. I'm not just
having my family members in.

Speaker 6 (32:27):
Do you want me to join from the car?

Speaker 1 (32:33):
Come on, she's funny. She is funny. Say hello to
Kim and Tony, Kim KIVI. Tony is still here, Kim,
how are you? Tony is still here too. So she's
here because she handles a lot of the merch, in fact,
all the merch merch designs.

Speaker 6 (32:49):
And it's it's it's a full time job.

Speaker 1 (32:54):
I mean, you do work very hard on it. So
I wonder if you could quickly you were mentioning that
you've actually included some new designs on the website get
Markmarch dot com. Yes, and these are the pet approved,
the pet approved.

Speaker 6 (33:13):
Sure, Now, we're so generous that Choco and Max sent
us a photo of their new swag. Yeah, so we
put that up on the site.

Speaker 1 (33:24):
Born Resist. It's a beautiful T shirt.

Speaker 6 (33:26):
Favorite.

Speaker 1 (33:27):
Yeah, but you actually you've actually concocted some others.

Speaker 6 (33:30):
You So, when you and I were talking about the
relaunch of the merch site, we discussed some like limited
edition designs in the spirit of like seventies, you know,
power Resist, peacefully resist, peacely protest. And then as I
was looking at new designs as we head into fall

(33:52):
and winter, I worked on some designs that were a
little bit more bold faced type, a little bit more
simple design, and so those are up now. We have
two new T shirts. We have mugs now.

Speaker 1 (34:05):
With hang on one thing at a time with the
T shirt is up there now he says born to
peacefully Resist. I'm sorry, peacefully protest. And it's got that
font which I know you labored over.

Speaker 6 (34:16):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm a big font design fan
of good design and good font and but very simple
for those that are looking for a more simple but
powerful message, especially as we think about expressing our our
feelings and support.

Speaker 1 (34:35):
And then you've also got the born born to peacefully
Protest on the mugs yeah, the mugs also have the
name of our show, or if we yielded to protest.

Speaker 6 (34:44):
Yeah, no, no, we're just removing the show entirely.

Speaker 1 (34:47):
There's the show on the other side of a really
cool they're.

Speaker 6 (34:51):
Really slick, they're very cool, they're very great. So we
have those the shows on the other side of the
shows on the back of the T shirt. And then
and I did make a sticker the I can't put
the show on the sticker. So hopefully if you buy
the sticker, you use it, you show it, you represent
the message behind it. Those are all new Yeah.

Speaker 1 (35:11):
Stickers good, especially if the mugs say made in China
on the bottom you put the sticker.

Speaker 6 (35:15):
Over yeah, yeah, put the sticker over that.

Speaker 1 (35:19):
And made in Mugland in China.

Speaker 6 (35:21):
This smug costs three hundred dollars.

Speaker 1 (35:25):
Fully resist Tony showing it now the sticker. Well, that's
really great. Thank you so much for your work on
the show. There's a nice pink T shirt for those
who are just listening. There's some really great stuff. You
should check it out. Get mark merchant dot com. It
helps support the show a little bit and also I
think has some messages that you might really embrace. So
they're the white mugs, the black mugs.

Speaker 6 (35:47):
T shirts, Yeah, the former T shirts. We have the
og T shirts, the Mark Thompson. Someone requested a female
the female size ladies. Yeah, so I have that. I'm
working on that so that will be available.

Speaker 1 (36:05):
Yeah. It's every little thing, every little hiccup Kim. Yeah,
she's on and I go. You don't have to respond
to every little thing like it's a it's a five
alarm fire. But she does.

Speaker 6 (36:16):
Okay, after I stop crying, I respond to.

Speaker 3 (36:23):
It's nice to have, you know, if you you know
you're going to go to a few protests here and there,
it's nice to have your outfit all lined up. You know,
you know, you've got your protest shirt. You know exactly
what you're gonna wear. It's all set.

Speaker 1 (36:36):
It's not and it's not it's not so in your face.
Daniel Martin points out that it's heather orchid, not pink.
Thank you, Thank you, Daniel. A season of peaceful protests. Yeah,
that's really these are. How much is shipping the Elliotts,
Well you have to figure it out. I mean it's
different depending on how much.

Speaker 6 (36:54):
Your Yeah, yeah, I will say they are generally shipping
from overseas, but they will show you the shipping as
you're checking out.

Speaker 1 (37:03):
Yeah you can. If the shipping is too much for you, you
can bail on it, you know. I but this is
a We so appreciate your work. Thank you, Thank you.

Speaker 6 (37:11):
For supporting the show. Every note that goes back is
from me.

Speaker 1 (37:15):
Yeah, writes back to everybody, Kim, but I.

Speaker 6 (37:17):
I do really appreciate your support. So hopefully you're enjoying
the shirts, the blag. Yeah, Cody for having me on.

Speaker 1 (37:27):
Yeah, we love you all. We love having you young
people join us, and it's it's really very helpful.

Speaker 7 (37:33):
The only reason I'm here is because you are a friend.

Speaker 1 (37:36):
Okay, well whatever it might be, but I appreciate you.
Thanks all right, Thankney, this is the Mark Thompson Show.
To yourself, right on, right on for the greater good.
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(38:00):
Love to hear from Chip, says Harry Magnuan with a
five dollars super chat, especially if it replaces the noise
from the White House. Yeah, well maybe Chip will join
we'll see. I'm not sure he has landed here yet,
but can you please come get him back?

Speaker 3 (38:15):
That cranky charcoal is over across the pond and Trump
is making his way to state visit and apparently.

Speaker 1 (38:26):
We have Tony Dowling. Will you put some put some
of the stuff up there In Britain, Trump is, as
you know, meeting I think it's a second trip to
the UK, and he was facing the media. This is
a cut and I'll play this cut probably in a

(38:47):
few minutes for David K. Johnson as well. But I
wanted you to hear it because it really is concerning.
He's getting a question from Jonathan Carl go ahead and run,
and I see the video and the gate, so go
for it.

Speaker 2 (39:00):
What do you make PAMPONDI saying she's going to go
out for hate speech? Is that? I mean a lot
of people out of your allies say hate speech is
free speech. You'd probably go after people like you because
he's great me so unfairly it's hey, do you have
a lot of hate in your heart? Maybe I'll come
every ABC. Well, ABC paid me sixteen million dollars recently
for a form of hate speech. Right, your company paid

(39:22):
me sixteen million dollars for a form of hate speech,
So maybe they'll have to go after you. Look, we
want everything.

Speaker 1 (39:28):
To be fair.

Speaker 2 (39:29):
It hasn't been fair, and the radical left is done
tremendous damage in the country. But we're fixing it. We
have right now the hottest country anywhere in the world.
And remember one year ago our country was dead. And
now Washington d DC is fixed and I fix it.
The mayor was fine, the mayor.

Speaker 1 (39:51):
The mayor was just fine.

Speaker 6 (39:53):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (39:53):
The mayor had the sixth city for many years. She's
been mare for many years.

Speaker 1 (39:58):
The one to fix it.

Speaker 2 (39:59):
Was me and my people. And it is so safe.
He said, take your beautiful wife tonight and have dinner
down there. You won't be shot, you will be accosted,
you won't even be looked at incorrectly by anybody.

Speaker 1 (40:11):
Washington, DC is safe.

Speaker 2 (40:12):
Now we're going to Memphis, where it's pretty rough, to
put it boldly, and then we're gonna have to go
a friend of mine who is a big railroader. He
stops in all the cities. He knows every city. He said, sir,
you'll have to save Chicago.

Speaker 1 (40:26):
So I'm going to go to Chicago early.

Speaker 2 (40:28):
Against Fritz Fritzker's Pritzker's nothing if Prinsko was smart. He's
say please come in. So last week, over the last
week and a half, eleven people at Chicago were killed
murdered and thirty eight were shot. And then Pritski. And
by the way, this is going on constantly. If they
lose less than six or seven people a week with Burder,

(40:50):
they're doing a great job. In their opinion, Chicago is
a death craft. And I'm gonna make it just like
I did with DC, just like I'll do with with
memphised out. Remember this. So a man comes into my office,
one of the biggest business then I'll tell you he
runs Union Pacific. Is that big biggest railroad in the world,
I guess. And he started off as a railroader. He

(41:15):
was running a railroad, a little caboots. He was in
a caboose. Now he runs the whole damn thing. Forty
five years ago he started off in a caboose. I
don't know what that's all about.

Speaker 1 (41:25):
And he became the DUP.

Speaker 2 (41:26):
Said that's a good place to start. But he came in.
He knows the country. Intimately, he's looking to do a merger,
buy another railroad, the one that worked at the Living problem.
He's palace to like, and they want to buy that railroad,
as you know, Republic. But I sat with him, I talked.

Speaker 1 (41:43):
I said, so you know every city?

Speaker 2 (41:45):
Yes, sir, I got every city, and I have for forty
five years. I said, where would you go? Then he said,
Saint Louis is in big trouble. Said, but Chicago is
a great city. You can save Chicago. Say go let
Chicago die. This is the guy tell me it was
great knowledge and strut sit. Don't let Chicago die too.

Speaker 8 (42:07):
It's dying.

Speaker 2 (42:08):
Don't let it die. I'm going to Chicago neck.

Speaker 1 (42:12):
Yeah. That's that's it for Trump who is in the UK.
And I would just hasten to add and I often
times note this with regard to troops or a military
presence of some kind, you really don't get the sort
of law enforcement buttressing that you want from placing military

(42:34):
troops there. I mean, I you know what he's talking
about it. You know, first of all, you have to
do two things with Donald Trump's comments. Of course, for
you have to try to separate the total fiction from
the stuff that might have a kernal of truth to it.
Like Chicago and other major cities in America, there is

(42:55):
crime and it's not a good thing. But to what
extent can that crime? Can the murder rate in Chicago
to which he referred be in any way affected by
the presence of National Guard troops. I'm leaving aside the
fact that you know, constitutionally, legally, he shouldn't be able
to place National Guard troops there. But we've already seen

(43:17):
him override the mayor and governor of California in doing
so in Los Angeles, so he can declare an emergency
of some kind in Chicago and get away with it again.
All of this placement of troops in Chicago, in Memphis,
in Washington, in Los Angeles, it's all to get people

(43:42):
used to the fact that deploying troops in cities is
something that does happen. Don't worry about it. They're there
for your safety, with the goal being that when the
election comes, you'll have the dispatching of those troops in
all of those places and more to suppress the vote.

(44:04):
It's that simple, And on some level, these troops are
being used as props. They're not really doing anything. I
showed you the video of the National Guard troops in Washington,
d C. Outside of Union Station. They're just standing there.
Others in Washington, d c. Are picking up trash. I mean,
this is an insult to who they are and what

(44:26):
they do. They have real lives, real careers, their accountants,
their lawyers, their teachers, and they give of themselves to
be part of the National Guard. And here they're being
used again as theatrical props for pure politics. To the
first part of what he was saying, which was associated

(44:47):
with I may go after you, Jonathan Carl, and he
made the point emphatically. I'm really anxious to get David's
thought on it, but this is the kind of executs
of power that one fears in regimes that are totalitarian.

(45:08):
I'm going to go after you specifically in the press
for asking that question, for your tone. You have hate
in your heart, is what he said.

Speaker 3 (45:16):
What hateful thing did Carl say?

Speaker 1 (45:20):
I mean it was.

Speaker 3 (45:21):
This is scary. It's like because Trump thinks that you know,
because you ask a question that maybe doesn't align with
his theory or you want a real answer to something,
all of a sudden they point the finger at you
and say you you are the hate monger. This is
a way to squish down the free press, the freedom
of speech. This is frightening. This is a really frightening,

(45:43):
frightening turn of events.

Speaker 1 (45:45):
Yeah, and that these things are articulated openly. It's it's scary,
and that organizations are being purged at this moment in
ways that would conform with a political ideology. I mean,
I mentioned to you at the beginning of the show
that if they perceive that you have posted somewhere Facebook x,

(46:09):
wherever your social media thing takes you, if you have
posted somewhere something that they decide is questionable, hateful in
regard to Charlie Kirk or anyone else, they will come
after you. And there is a crowdsourcing of this, meaning

(46:30):
you look, tell us if you see something that looks hateful,
we will go after them. This is a truly dark
vision of the future. And the future has come. We've
always heard about this. That you know, free speech in
America and the cancel culture in America. It has to

(46:52):
be both watched. It has to be rolled back. The
best solution for hate speech is more speech. By the way,
that was Charlie Kirk's general view, wasn't it, Kim I
thought he was kind of a free speech or wasn't
he or what.

Speaker 3 (47:07):
Was I have a quote, actually a direct quote he
posted on X last year, and here's what he said.
Hate speech does not exist legally in America. There's ugly speech,
there's gross speech, there's evil speech, and it is all
in caps protected by the First Amendment. Keep America free.

(47:28):
That's what Charlie Kirk wrote. So I mean, if you're saying, oh,
I'm lamenting the loss of Kirk, because all he ever
did was, you know, go out to colleges and talk
to people and introduce them to new ideas, and he
was all about free speech and an exchange of ideas.
Then oh, the irony then that his death is a

(47:51):
clamp down on free speech.

Speaker 1 (47:53):
Yeah, it's extraordinary, Really is extraordinary. The the extension of
the law in this way is truly scary because it
can be, as you've seen, arbitrated in any way they want.

(48:14):
I have news from the world of Ice as we
await the arrival of David K. Johnson. In just a
few moments, Mark Thompson Show warnings from Christine Nome she's
the Queen of Ice, as you know. She is warning
that assaulting any ICE officers constitutes a federal crime punishable

(48:39):
by felony charges. And again we get into an area
which is associated with what is assault. I mentioned that
because as ICE took away a woman, an immigrant or
someone who is expected and suspected of being here illegally,

(48:59):
she was sticking her hand out I believe it was,
and she her hand hit an ICE officer, as I recall,
and they charged her with assault resisting an assault. I
mean it was sort of laughable on one level because
she wasn't like punching or whatever. She was being arrested

(49:22):
and then and her hands were up and point being.
It's interpretive, all right, And so it's noted by Christy
Nome anyone, regardless of immigration status, who assaults an ICE
officer will face felony assault charges and prosecution to the
fullest extent of the law. Think before you resist. And

(49:44):
it was embedded in a there it is with the
clenched fist at the at the bottom of that post.
But the Department of Homeland Security has expanded its definition
of threats to include filming ICE operations. Christy nom defined

(50:06):
violence in July as anything that threatens DHS agents and
their safety. It's doxing them, it is videotaping them where
they're at as she said, that's a quote. One example
of that has been the case of Spanish language Georgia
based journalist Mario guever Guevera. He was detained for more
than two months after he filmed enforcement operations, despite his

(50:30):
attorneys saying that he had legal work authorization. Also, there
were claims in August that attacks on ice officers have
increased by one thousand percent. Although that's the most ridiculous.
I mean again, they throw these percentages out of nowhere.

Speaker 3 (50:46):
Interesting are they indicating that it's illegal to film and
ice operation?

Speaker 1 (50:50):
Then that's what they're saying. They're saying that they can
come after you if you interfere in any way here
here he is. He was detained for more than two
months he videoed a an enforcement operation. So this is
a I.

Speaker 3 (51:07):
Thought it was legal in America to film police, like
they can't. You can't have someone not film, right.

Speaker 8 (51:14):
Is that?

Speaker 1 (51:15):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (51:15):
If you're doing something in public, it's in the public
domain and boom, yeah.

Speaker 1 (51:20):
I mean a lot that was legal in America apparently
is now open to questions about its legality in America.
So if you're just joining us, we're gonna be joining
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It seems so mundane with everything going on that you
have to hit the thumbs up on YouTube. But it

(51:43):
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but even we have been really played down in the algorithm.

(52:04):
So it affects our numbers, it affects our livelihood, it
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why the thumbs up is important. So really much appreciating

(52:25):
all of you who support us that way. All right,
we continue. This man is a Pulletzer Prize winner. He's
a brilliant best selling author as well. When it comes
to trump, I think he's without peer. He is the
co founder of dcreport dot org and he is now
a professor at RIT joins us on Tuesdays. The Great

(52:47):
David K. Johnston.

Speaker 9 (52:48):
Everyone, Hello, Mark, Hello sir, not my usual in front
of the fireplace.

Speaker 1 (52:55):
Yeah, we've got I love it. It's a its kind
of looks. It's kind of a gorilla shot, you know
what I mean? The geu ri I l l A
like you know, just there it is. Appreciate it. Hey, David,
I was thinking of you a lot because it seems
that everything's been ratcheted up around the Charlie Kirk murder
and the notion somehow that things that are associated with well,

(53:20):
anything that doesn't really represent flattery toward Charlie Kirk in
his legacy can be considered hate speech. Pam Bondi, we
were talking about this in the last hour, saying she
is going after hate speech. She's you know again, you know,
sort of in that I'll know it when I see
it category. And I'll play you a clip in a
moment of Donald Trump going after Jonathan Carl in a

(53:43):
one of those gaggle question moments in front of the helicopter,
as he was talking about maybe I'll go after you
Jonathan Carl And then the final thing I'll mention I'd
like to hear your general thoughts. Is the move on
the part of Donald Trump to sue the New York
Times for fifteen billion dollars that was just something announced today.

(54:04):
Can you speak to this moment in American history?

Speaker 9 (54:07):
Well, Donald having gotten a good taste of his dictatorship
and realizing that on many fronts he's being successful.

Speaker 6 (54:17):
Not all.

Speaker 9 (54:17):
He's losing most of his court cases, at least at
the trial court where they're hearings they're not trials, and
the pelic court level doing better. At the Supreme Court,
he's filling full of himself and he's just pressing full
on ahead and he's going to continue to do that.
And the problem here is that we shouldn't be surprised

(54:40):
that corporations are generally wilting in front of him. They
are focused on keeping the business entity as healthy as
they can and maximizing profits, which is what they're supposed
to do. So we're not seeing much courage there. But
the Democrats, with a few exceptions, just are not affect

(55:00):
in standing up to Donald Trump, and they are not
effective in peeling away Republicans who know better and who
are Many of the Democrats have said saying privately, Yeah,
we know he's crazy, we know he's in megalomaniac, we
know he hates democracy, we know he's trying to be dictator.
But I don't want to get voted out in the primary.

(55:21):
And I mean, this is just a new stage. And
we've entered what two weeks ago became the murderous stage.
We've had now two boats off the shore of Venezuela
in international waters blown out of the water, killing a
total of we believe fourteen people. The appropriate lawful action
when you think there's a boat with drugs on the

(55:43):
high seas as, you send out the Coastguard, or if
you can't do otherwise, the navy, and you interdict the boat.
You get on the boat, you find drugs, or if
they throw them overboard, you send divers into the water
and swimmers into the water, and then you arrest these people.
We will never know whether this was something other than

(56:05):
what they say, because the boat's at the bottom of
the ocean, and there will be more murders, and that's
what these were. Donald Trump is now a murderer. There
is no official act authorizing him to take about that,
by his account, had drugs on it. Headed to the
US and kill the people on the boat.

Speaker 8 (56:26):
That is not covered.

Speaker 9 (56:28):
By the immunity of the US Supreme Court because that's
not an official act. Murder is not an official act.
And Donald Trump has been filled with thoughts of murder
his for years. I mean, remember he took out five
full page ads in newspapers, identical ads in five papers
that the Central Park five, ultimately found to be totally innocent,

(56:50):
should be summarily executed without trial. And when they were
proven to be innocent and the actual perpetrator was caught,
Trump was like, no, no, no, oh, no, no, no, we
should still execute them. I mean, this is what happens
to someone who has no moral principles and has this
taste of power. And let me go back to a

(57:11):
previous president about this. During the debate in the two
thousand election with Al Gore, George W. Bush brought up
a man who had been a black man in Texas
who'd been grabbed by some racists. They had chained him
to the back of a pickup truck and dragged him
on a dirt road till he was dead. And George

(57:34):
Bush said, we're going to execute those people. And he
did it with a smirk on his face. This was
in the September of two thousand. I mean it was
once he talked about executing these guys. There was a smirk.
There was a woman who was sentenced to be death
in Texas, to death in Texas, who had under go one,
apparently by all accounts, quite a conversion in her life,

(57:54):
and who had a horrible, terrible upbringing that should have
been a mitigating factor. And whether she got life in
prey or the death penalty. And again George W. Bush
happily and I do mean happily signed her death morret.
And this happens. I mean, we know that lots of people,
there's lots of research that many people would like the

(58:16):
opportunity to commit violence against other people. They just don't
want to pay the price for it. They don't want
to go to prison, they don't want to have their
liberties taken away. And who's going to stand in the
way now of Donald Trump. He's got a completely corrupt
justice department. So this is going to get worse, and
it is a very very bad sign for whether we

(58:39):
will sink into an unrecoverable dictatorship. And look at the
other people here, jd Vance and his inflammatory comments, this
notion that you must treat Charlie Kirk as he's some
kind of a martyr and a saint. Charlie Kirk was
out promoting hatred, calling for stoning people to death. You know,

(59:00):
women need to stop getting educations and they should, essentially
my words, not his, be barefoot and pregnant. We're really
in a very bad zone and we've shifted very quickly.
And that's how things like this tend to happen. You know.
They're like glaciers. They move a little bit and a
little bit, and all of a sudden the pressure comes
and boom, they move a lot. And that's what we're

(59:21):
seeing right now.

Speaker 1 (59:22):
So much you just said, I want to double back
and just ask you about one thing you referenced, which
is the notion that the president in this case wouldn't
be in the case of the Venezuelans, wouldn't be covered
by the immunity that was laid down by the Supreme
Court decision because it's not an official act. Why is
it not an official act, David?

Speaker 9 (59:42):
Because the president has no authority to summarily murder people.
He can order actions which in a battlefield situation result
in deaths.

Speaker 1 (59:53):
He can't order that boat taken out.

Speaker 8 (59:55):
No, absolutely not.

Speaker 1 (59:56):
That is murder.

Speaker 9 (59:57):
And by the way, I'm not the only one saying this.
Some retired judge advocate generals have said that. There are
other lawyers have said it. We have a system for
extra judicial killings. So someone takes a hostage and they're
holding a gun to their head, and the police decide

(01:00:20):
a sniper even though the person's right next to him
is good enough he can hit him right in the
forehead with a bullet, they can take him out because
there's an immediate danger to the life of the innocent person.
That's an example of an extra judicial killing. But what
Trump did here, by his own account, is absolutely not

(01:00:40):
the case. And furthermore, ask yourself this question. We had
It would take probably two days for that boat to
reach the shores of the United States from Venezuela. The
Caribbean is not exactly a lake, and we had plenty
of time to go out and interdict the Why didn't

(01:01:02):
we do that? Why do you jump immediately to the
worst possible, most violent, possible, and irrecoverable action instead of
any other option you have, And that goes to the
fact that Donald Trump has no idea what he's doing.
He is a mentally ill man with no moral principles,

(01:01:24):
with no real philosophy except MEMI me, Me me, who
has these awesome powers, and bit by bit he is
becoming more comfortable with using these powers. And he has
around him people like Stephen Miller. And if you listen
very carefully to what Stephen Miller said to Sean Hannity
the other night, it's very revealing. He essentially went into

(01:01:46):
this diatribe that is now the mantra of the administration.
The left is promoting violence. If you're a liberal, you're
part of a terrorist organization. And the universities are behind this,
and George Soros in the Forde Foundation, and they are
all promoting murderous terrorism. And then what Miller said, and
I call him Trump's Minister of Hate, was we're gonna

(01:02:08):
take your job, We're gonna take your money, and then
we're gonna use the law. Now, think about that order
of events. Not we're going to find a legal way
to remove you from your job, We're gonna sue you
to get your money.

Speaker 8 (01:02:23):
No, no, no, we're going to take those things.

Speaker 9 (01:02:25):
That's what dictators can do, and then we're going to
use the law against you to lock you up. This
is a lawless, pro criminal, murderous administration. And don't lose
sight ever, folks of Donald Trump pardoned the guy who
ran Silk Road, the biggest enabler of drug traffickers in

(01:02:47):
the world. I'm sorry he pardoned him, but he's taking
out this boat with supposed drugs on it. He has
pardoned sexual predators that one should really show, because of course,
Donald Trump is the most morally pure person we know,
who would never speak about or joke about being a
predator on the Howard Stern Show and having sex with

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girls as long as they're more than twelve years old.
He has pardoned all sorts of people who were found
guilty of financial crimes, so now they don't have to
pay the money back. By the way, he'll never pardon
Delaine Maxwell. He'll give her clemency if he decides to act,
because if she is granted a pardon, she no longer

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has Fifth Amendment protections for anything she did, and she
can be ordered to answer questions by Congress or by
a court, and if she doesn't answer them, she can
be held in contempt, and she can be prosecuted if
she lies. If she's given clemency, she can respond to
any question by saying, on the advice of counsel, I'm
invoking my right under the Fifth Amendment to not make

(01:03:51):
statements that might incriminate me, which everybody has a right
to do and they should do. Although I point out
that Donald Trump, who took it many many times in
I think he's taken it more than four hundred times,
if memory serves, always always used to say, well, if
you take the fifth of mend and it means of
course you were guilty, which is nonsense.

Speaker 1 (01:04:13):
Yeah, you know, he'll always he'll always invoke whatever in
that moment, you know, to make whatever part he wants
to make in that moment. Something shout up in the
chat during the time that you were speaking. It's irrelevant
to what we're talking about now, because you're talking about
kind of doing things outside of the law. That there's
this new sense, and I think it's a flex. I'd include,

(01:04:33):
by the way, the Venezuela thing. I think the release
of that snuff film sort of video of the ship
being blown up with the people on board. I mean
that is a to me, a flex. It's a way
of saying, hey, we're tough mother efforts, stay out at what.
We're serious about everything we say, and we don't care
about the stuff that might restrain us from a legal perspective.

(01:04:56):
But it's all of a kind. I guess what I'm
trying to say, and the miller speed.

Speaker 9 (01:05:00):
I want a shoe the video of Charlie Kirk being
hit by a bullet, because that would be morally offensive.
I mean, the double standards and the inconsistencies here you'll
never be able to unentangle.

Speaker 1 (01:05:11):
So someone was asking about Christine Nome because I was
mentioning before we joined you that Christine Nome is making
the point that anyone who interferes with ICE operations in
any way, and that includes the videoing of any of
these ICE operations, they will be prosecuted as a felon.
And what was asked in the chat, I think it's

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pertinent is can she do that? Can she just does
she have the legal power to in essence, as a
result of this declaration, maintain legally that you are now
committing a felony if you video and ICE operation.

Speaker 9 (01:05:49):
Well, she doesn't have the authority. That would be the
Justice Department. But Pam Bondy, who is an utterly corrupt person,
who is the Attorney General of Florida during many of
Epstein's rape and presumably rapes by other powerful and wealthy
men around Epstein, and who took a twenty five thousand
dollars campaign contribution from the Trump Foundation and said that

(01:06:11):
was okay when it absolutely was not, and shut down
the investigation of Trump University. She's not gonna stand in
the way of anything like that. And what really is
going on is they don't want a record of their misconduct.
I mean, I wish somebody and the people who are listening,
if you know somebody who has the time and the
capacity to do this. There are a whole lot of

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videos that I've seen snippets of out there from police
body cams that have obtained from ICE or police departments,
from dashboard cameras and cell phones of ICE agents being
told I'm an American citizen, let me get you my
enhanced driver's license. You can't get an enhanced driver's license

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without proving your an American citizen. I have one because
we're near the Canadian border and I don't want to
have to carry my passport all the time. And the
ICE agents say things to the effect of, we don't care,
and they don't want those kinds of videos out there.
That's what's going on. They want video that shows what

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they want people to see, and they want to control
what you see. And they have really apparently been quite
successful in getting CBS now owned by effectively owned by
Larry Ellison and oracle Son David to knuckle under. I
watch I tape all three network shows at night. I

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watch one and then race through the other two to
see what I want to see it repeated. And if
anybody has been pulling their punches and going out of
their way to not upset Donald Trump, it's the CBS
Evening News. Now, maybe I just saw four or five
days that were unfavorable and there was less than great

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writing on it, But I'm to keep watching for this well.

Speaker 1 (01:08:03):
I want to mention the fact that I may be
wrong about something. It's interesting. I always felt that just
as the Vietnam War brought home in pictures the brutality
and the the utter horror that was the Vietnam War
in a way that Americans recoiled and became angry about,

(01:08:28):
I thought that the videoing of ICE detainees and the
Ice maneuvers. I thought, because it's done with such brutality,
and as you suggested, without regard to anything that anyone
is saying, any I mean, and the separation of families,
it's all done, as I say, with brutality. It seems
as an essential element in it. I thought that those

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videos would have the same kind of effect, that they
would have their own chilling effect on people's support of
these ICE agents doing these things and all of these
different places, many critical to the American economy, agriculture, you know,
hospitals or high school graduations, et cetera. But what GNOME's
doing is she's blunting American's ability to video and record

(01:09:15):
these pictures and communicate them to the public at large.
So maybe my sense that this would have a chilling
effect it may be wrong, because ultimately we may never
see these these pieces of video.

Speaker 9 (01:09:26):
It won't have a chilling effect if they are able
to control by and large the images and make sure
the only images that go out of the ones that
they want. Now, you know, in this case of police,
we're going to go into Chicago and I'm not believed.
I'm sorry, Ice and military, We're going to go into Chicago.
Some ice there, but not what Trump had said, where
he basically said he was going to declare war on

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the third largest city in the country. Governor Pritzker has
stood up very much to them, but he said at
a press converse the other day that basically, you know,
we can't interfere with federal lawnforcement operations. Well, I agree
with them about that, but here's what I think you
can do. And you certainly can reasonably test this. When
people without insignia in rented cars from enterprise show up

(01:10:12):
with their masks and try to grab somebody, it's more
than reasonable for uniformed police to go over and demand
identification to hold them up. Well, they get a check
with superiors because for all they know, these are kidnappers.
And we have had now several verified cases of people

(01:10:33):
who went, oh, here's a chance to kidnap young women
and rape them, more kidnap other people. And so that's
something that cities could be doing. You've got to have
very disciplined officers to do this. You're not going to
send your average street cop to do this. But Chicago
has a team like the Metro Squad at LAPD, and

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there's no reason. In my view, you can't stop question
and demand identification and hold up the proceeding until you've
established that this has been authorized by getting senior level
people there, and that would have a very beneficial effect.
And at the same time, the police have the capacity
to make their own video record, not only body cams,
but they every big police department has people who are

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professional videographers and photographers.

Speaker 1 (01:11:23):
That latter point might be super relevant because I think
the former point runs up against the same power of
this administration that regular old Americans run into, you know.
In other words, sure, police Officer five to three oh one,
if you want to record that, you will be facing

(01:11:43):
the full wrath of the American government right now, because
we view you as someone who should not be participating
in recording our ice agent's maneuvers and detailed detaining of
anybody who we believe shouldn't be in this country.

Speaker 9 (01:12:03):
But my point is, let me just because I know
somebody will think this in the thing, Well, you're interfering
in a federal operation. You're not going to let the
person they want to grab go. You're going to hold
them there with local police. Will you sort this out?
You're probably going to interrogate that person, and if they
say I'm an American citizen, then the officers can rightfully say,

(01:12:26):
if this person is an American citizen, you have no
right to arrest them. We propose that we're going to
put this person in our patrol car. You come with
us in your vehicle. To their residents, they say they
have a passport, and they will get it and show
it to you. That's another way to lawfully not allow
what are, for all practical purposes, federal kidnappings of people.

Speaker 1 (01:12:49):
I mean, the whole thing is made even darker when
you add the masks, you add no markings. The entire
thing is just We've gotten to a very very dark place.
So quickly, David, you know.

Speaker 9 (01:13:02):
Well, you know, enormous numbers of Americans do not understand
the principles of our legal system. I was teaching today
my first lecture to my law class on the criminal
justice system, and I start off with Hamarabi's Code and
the principles that exist in the law today that you
can trace to just short of four thousand years ago,

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about you know, not making false claims, finding witnesses, the
power to call people as witnesses, a social insurance aspect.
If you were robbed an ancient consumer and your local court,
because it was a theocracy, your local religious institution didn't
have the money to reimburse you, and they couldn't find

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the robber. The community was taxed to make the person whole,
everybody had to contribute a little bit. And one of
the most important principles in criminal justice is due process
and just grabbing people off the street and you know,
making life so miserable they'll sign anything. And then you know,

(01:14:07):
taking someone who came here from Central America and sending.

Speaker 8 (01:14:10):
Him to Uganda.

Speaker 9 (01:14:12):
This is totally outside of thousands of years of diplomatic
and international practice and in the more modern world literally law.
We're behaving more like the Russians. The Russians all the
way back to the era of the Boyards, those were
the nobles of pre communist Moscow. They paid no attention

(01:14:36):
to the kinds of rules of law that the British
and the Germans and the French and Italians and Americans
and Spanish paid attention to. They have always gone and
attacked civilians, done as we're seeing in Ukraine intentionally attacking

(01:14:56):
obstetric hospitals where babies are being born old folks homes
because the Russian culture supports and allows this kind of
terroristic approach to things. And yeah, we're seeing a huge
collapse this, but a lot of that's because people don't
know this. We're not doing a good job of transmitting

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down through the younger generations. And I hate to sound
like I'm the good old days, because it wasn't the
good old days. But the reason people rose up against
the Vietnam War was this recognition that, wait a minute,
what is our national interest here? Why are we doing this?
Why are we impressing young men into service to go
do this? When Cy Hirsch broke the story of the

(01:15:41):
Meli massacre where Lieutenant William Cally had a whole village
of people, men, women and children pulled out of their
huts and murdered, that touched the conscience of a lot
of people. But the great many people in this country
who A don't understand the principles and B and this
is the more troubling part. They're angry about the terrible

(01:16:03):
economics they're living under that I've been writing about for
at least thirty years, and they want to hit somebody.
That's why you have these pastors who stepped forward and said,
my flock is saying, we don't want to hear this
sermon on the mount, turn the other cheek. We want
Donald Trump's gospel. Hit him in the face, and hit
him again, and hit him again. And that's not Christianity

(01:16:26):
for starters, But it's a terrible indication of where we
are as a society.

Speaker 1 (01:16:32):
That anger is. Yeah, it's played out in a lot
of what's happening now. Play for David if you would
a little of the exchange between Donald Trump and Jonathan Carl.
Carl was there asking him about the situation. He of
course that Trump's in the UK at this point. Go ahead,
Doug Tony, please to us say what.

Speaker 2 (01:16:54):
After Heyn, what do you think Campondi says she's going
to go out for a hate speech? Is that to me?

Speaker 3 (01:16:59):
Bull?

Speaker 2 (01:17:00):
One of your allies say, hate speech is free speech.
You should probably go after people like you because you
treat me so unfairly. It's hey, you have a lot
of hate in your heart. Maybe you're after ABC. Well,
ABC paid me sixteen million dollars recently for a form
of age speech rights. Your company paid me sixteen million
dollars for a form of hate speech, so maybe they'll

(01:17:21):
have to go after you click. We want everything to
be fair. It hasn't been fair, and the radical left
has done tremendous damage to the country. But we're fixing it.
We have right now the hottest country anywhere in the world.
And remember one year ago our country was dead. And
now Washington, d DC is fixed and I fixed it.

(01:17:43):
The mayor was fine, the mayor.

Speaker 1 (01:17:46):
The mayor was just fine.

Speaker 2 (01:17:48):
Okay, the mayor had the six city for many years,
he's been mayor for many years. The one to fix
it was me and my people.

Speaker 1 (01:17:56):
And it is so safe.

Speaker 2 (01:17:57):
You should take your beautiful wife tonight and have dinner.

Speaker 1 (01:18:02):
He goes into what he's going to do in Chicago
and he's going to clean up that city and everything's
so great, and yeah, I mean it's not laugh That.

Speaker 9 (01:18:09):
Is so delusional. It is so classic Donald you know life.
Whatever he says, that's the truth. And if you don't
buy it, well fake news. And yeah, he got paid
sixteen million dollars of extortion, criminal extortion. You will give
us money or I will not approve your business deal.

(01:18:29):
I will threaten to take away your licenses. And now
you'll really be in trouble because you're going to lose
your broadcast licenses unless you do what I say. This
is a dictator. We have a dictator in the White House.
He has a fully consolidated power, but he's moving real fast.

Speaker 1 (01:18:47):
It's so alarming, you know, David, I'm I'm astounded that
we've gotten here so quickly. But as you say, it's
not completely consolidated. It would seem as though the courts
maybe the final bit of consolidation. And I'm wondering if
you have a notion about the Supreme Court and if

(01:19:09):
there's anything on the docket that we should pay particular
attention to, because it would seem as though that's like
the last bulwark.

Speaker 9 (01:19:16):
Well, the single biggest problem we're having with the Supreme
Court is right now is the use of the so
called shadow docket. That is, emergency orders are brought up.
The X is about to happen, and we need the
Supreme Court to act right now at ten o'clock at night,
and there's a different justice assigned for each part of
the country for this, and the Court then, without explanation,

(01:19:39):
without guidance, has issued a variety of orders and I
think it's very clear that for sure. Three members of
the Court will give Donald just about anything he wants.
That's Alito, Thomas, and Katanaugh. Amy Coney Barrett is proving

(01:19:59):
a a little bit of an enigma. I think she's
thought about her place in the world somewhat. And Gorsuch
is a man who I've written about in the past.
His jurisprudence is very literalist and harsh, but he does
have a set of principles. Obviously, Clarence Thomas and Alito

(01:20:23):
have no set of principles. They just want to tamp
down people they don't like. So the shadow docket is
one problem. The second is how the Court by saying
things like, well, we're going to allow the litigation to
go forward, but in the meantime you're fired.

Speaker 8 (01:20:42):
I'm sorry.

Speaker 9 (01:20:42):
That's a complete disadvantage to the party who at the
end of the day may be shown to be wrong.
What you normally do is say you can stay in
your position in the federal government, well, we litigate this,
which of course also then encourages the Trump administration to
speed up their actions. Instead, they're encouraging them to slow
down their actions. And they are the Supreme Court majority.

(01:21:06):
The six are clear enablers here. This is not new
in American history. Most people don't appreciate this, but the
Court has always been behind where the public is. With
the one exception, and that was the Earl Warren Court,
Republican Governor of California District Attorney San Francisco.

Speaker 8 (01:21:28):
Who had a social conscience.

Speaker 9 (01:21:31):
And with the exception of the Warren Court, the Court's
always been retrograde to the rest of society. Dred Scott
plus e versus Ferguson and other decisions.

Speaker 8 (01:21:44):
This really, though, is.

Speaker 9 (01:21:45):
A ballot box issue at the end of the day.
That's why there they're redrawing. Maybe they've already enacted the
law the map in Texas to eliminate Jasmine Crockett from Congress.
They're in Missouri and some other states trying to do this,
and California has come back. In New York, which is
much much more complicated and takes one another election cycle,

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have come back.

Speaker 8 (01:22:10):
And said, well, if you're going to do this jerrymandering, we're.

Speaker 1 (01:22:12):
Going to do it.

Speaker 8 (01:22:12):
We have to.

Speaker 9 (01:22:14):
At least in those two cases. The Democrats aren't, as
the saying goes, bringing.

Speaker 8 (01:22:20):
A knife to a gunfight.

Speaker 9 (01:22:22):
But this is you want to live in a free country.
This is the time you need to act. And if
you're not willing to step forward yourself, and I understand
why a lot of people wouldn't find other ways to
do things. You can contribute to political campaigns. You can
encourage other people around you, you know, to discuss these matters,

(01:22:46):
find things you can do, and especially encourage people like
Governor Pritzker and Governor Newsom to say, why don't you
get your lawyers together and think about creative ways that
without fearing in federal operations, you can protect the people
of your communities and make sure if they're being arrested,
they're properly arrested. And that would allow them, of course, to,

(01:23:09):
among other things, require these masked goons, and that's what
they are, to identify themselves by name, rank, and serial number.
The idea that law enforcement doesn't have to identify themselves
and arrest by name, rank and sale numbers is absurd.
And also the people who've just disappeared into the system,
we now know from a couple of people who've been
released that they've been giving him what used to be

(01:23:31):
called diesel therapy. You put them on these chartered planes
and you move them from one prison to another so
you can say, I don't know where they are. A
trick the cops pulling big cities. You're the defense lawyer, Mark,
and you go and say, hey, my client, mister Johnston,
you arrested him. I'm here to see him, and they go, no,
he's not here. And they just put me in squad
cars and move me from one station to another so

(01:23:54):
that they can say, no, he's not here. That's what
they're doing. That's an old law enforcement trick. It's reputable,
and it's too bad we don't have a court case
that flat out says from fifty years ago, you may
not do that.

Speaker 1 (01:24:07):
It's a remarkable thing, David, it's a remarkable thing. And
just to hear even you describe all of these different
areas in which America as we've known it, and we've
known it to be corrupt in many ways, we've known
it to be flawed in many ways. I mean, just
on equal in many ways. I mean there are America
with all its swartz that America still seems to be

(01:24:30):
lost to the past.

Speaker 9 (01:24:31):
With this, we replaced, We replaced the preamble to our constitution,
We the people, with I the Donald declare, and that
that will not just end with Donald. I mean, if
Donald's voted our office, if Donald's health forces him from office.

Speaker 8 (01:24:52):
That will not be the end of this. We have now.

Speaker 9 (01:24:57):
Given permission first to people to to say horrible, racist, misogynistic,
vile things, given them permission. And now, of course Donald
was blaming everybody else, people who behaved really less badly
than he has. By the worst possible version of this,
it's all their fault. And you know, we had Sean Duffy,

(01:25:20):
the absolutely incompetent Transportation Secretary, say that what's happened is
that the universities have turned all these young people, you know,
into violent, radical leftists. I'm paraphrasing him, but that's the
ballpark he was certainly in. And people aren't pushing back
with that, you know. And and when I when I

(01:25:43):
what I see on the universities where I've taught and
ones I've visited and gone to is a lot of
robust discussion. Does it tend to not be the kind
of discussion Donald Trump and Pam Bondy and and Cash
Betel and miss Gnome would like, yeah, because it tends
to be about inquiry and thought and how did you

(01:26:04):
come to that and what's optimal and what's the historic
president as opposed to you will do it this way,
it's my way or the highways.

Speaker 1 (01:26:15):
It's extraordinary. The last thing I'll say, just on the
way out, David, is that you know, I think the
media is relevant to a lot of what you're talking about.
You know, coverage and as you say, protest, pushback, reaction.
These are all things that are covered in the media.
You know, the outrage, public outrage, political outrage, et cetera.
It has to get some media oxygen. Otherwise there's just
no way to get the information out to enough people.

(01:26:38):
And one of these instruments is TikTok. And we could
see this one coming, you know, down the four h
five freeway. You knew that when there was pushback on
TikTok that it would be gifted ultimately by the Trump
people to a friend of Trump, Larry Ellison. Now likely
to get control of TikTok. They will dry clean it

(01:26:59):
up of anything that goes against the regime's view of
the world. They're talking about getting rid of all politics
and news on TikTok. But maybe it will be repopulated
with a certain type of politics and news. This again
is control of information, right.

Speaker 9 (01:27:17):
And that's one of the key things that they want
to have. And we still don't have a clear headed
understanding by major news organizations of how to deal with
Donald Trump. And there's a fundamental way to do this
called a truth sandwich. So Donald Trump just said something
utterly ridiculous. He does it every day. You don't report

(01:27:39):
it and then take it apart. What you do is say,
donald Trump said something today that is has no reconnection,
non connection to reality that focuses the mind of the
reader or the listener or the viewer. Then you quote
what he said, and if necessary, quot hum at some length,
and then you start to take it apart. But if
you start off with his assertion, that becomes the point

(01:28:02):
from which human minds work. Most of us are not
raised to analyze and scrutinize comments and statements. It's just
not how we live our lives. That's you know, there
are people like investigative reporters who do that, detectives who
do a political scientist, but it's not the norm among

(01:28:22):
the populace. So you have to communicate with people in
a way that makes sense to them. And this lawsuit
against the New York Times. There are going to be
more lawsuits like this. First of all, you can claim
any amount of damages you want.

Speaker 1 (01:28:36):
And just remind everybody or who know, those who don't know,
this is about the inclusion in an article of the
birthday card. Yeah, Trump had that the Times reprinted right,
and the.

Speaker 8 (01:28:52):
Playing the Wall Street Journal.

Speaker 9 (01:28:53):
And it's also about the book by Suzanne Craig and
Ross Putner. And for those who may not know, I
used to be New York Times reporter. Nobody the news
and lawyers are not worried about this case. It's going
to make work for them. It's going to divert a
little bit in resources by hiring outside lawyers. But this
is just harassment by Donald Trump. And remember Donald Trump

(01:29:17):
has said for many years it should be against the
law to write anything about me that I don't approve of.
That's about as Stalinist maoist as it gets. And the
parallels that you can draw between Maoism, Stalinism and Putinism
today are astonishing in terms of how Donald is doing

(01:29:41):
things fascist regimes. And you know, most people don't know
what the word fascist means, so using that in the
news media is not useful authoritarian dictatorships of the kind
we've seen in the last literally one hundred years, because
Mussolini's party started out in nineteen twenties. What they have
in common is the leader is surrounded by family, cronies

(01:30:06):
and incompetents who pledge total loyalty to him. That's exactly
what we're seeing here. The instruments of government that make
economies work don't continue to work as they did, They
become less efficient and ultimately lots of sand gets in
the gears. It's a lie that the trains ran on
time when.

Speaker 8 (01:30:24):
Mussolini was dictator. They did not.

Speaker 9 (01:30:28):
And that's what we're seeing here, and false putting out
false information. You know, Donald has said repeatedly last years,
everybody knows prices are down. I'm sorry, you're gonna believe
yourself or the stickers underneath the items of food at
the grocery store. You know, crime has taken over these cities.

Speaker 8 (01:30:50):
No, it hasn't. And if you take a fifty.

Speaker 9 (01:30:53):
Year perspective or a forty year perspective on crime, crime
is way down. I mentioned I think on an earlier
show that when I was investigating the LAPD in the
early nineteen eighties or one thousand murders a year. Now
there's three hundred. It's just absurd to make the claims
he's making. He's only making him to further what he wants,
and that's absolute power. Remember he said, when Kim Jong

(01:31:14):
Ung walks into a room, everyone stands up and applauds,
and that's what I want my people to do.

Speaker 8 (01:31:20):
My people.

Speaker 1 (01:31:23):
I sadly think that he's a bit drunk on the power.
That's the way you started this conversation. I think you're right.

Speaker 9 (01:31:29):
Yes, he's drunk with power, and he's going to get
a lot drunker, hopefully passes out before we do.

Speaker 1 (01:31:37):
Thank you, David. Thanks for staying a few minutes over
time with us too. I appreciate it. David K. Johnston
all the best. We'll talk next Tuesday.

Speaker 8 (01:31:43):
See you next week.

Speaker 1 (01:31:44):
Yeah, thanks a lot. Wow, Wow wow Wow.

Speaker 3 (01:31:50):
What's funny?

Speaker 8 (01:31:50):
Is Mark Tompson's Mark Tomson?

Speaker 1 (01:31:56):
Mark Thomson. Yeah, you know it's funny. Just on the
h I will get to uh, just a follow up
on what David was talking about in the second Yeah, Epstein, Epstein, Epstein, Prices, Prices, Prices, Mikenwello.
Glenn says, thank you for that the Uh yeah, I
know I had the Epstein thing. I was just running

(01:32:16):
out of time with him. That's the reason I I
kind of you know, I zagged and zagged on that, Tony.
I just I did want to share some video that
we put aside. I believe I have a Trump and
I know you know I always get this, so you
play too much of Trump. He again, he's the president

(01:32:39):
of the United States. What the hell do you want
me to do? Give me? Uh, give me what you got.
I was I'm looking for a cash Patel. Though he
spoke about cash Patel. I think that's when he was.
He talked about well he he he solved the case
in two days. He seems like he's fine, go ahead.
This is a Trump I believe on cash and cash.

Speaker 2 (01:33:02):
I you know, if you look at take a look
at what he did with respect to this horrible person
that he just captured.

Speaker 1 (01:33:08):
He did it in two days.

Speaker 2 (01:33:10):
It took other similar cases four days, five days, four years,
if you look at certain shooters. Now, I have confidence
in everybody in the administration, my administration, and a lot
of people are saying it not just me. It's so
far the best administration ever formed. You look at our
financial people.

Speaker 1 (01:33:31):
Acting very very good. So he's basically saying, everybody I've
hired is perfect. Cash is maybe the most perfect or
as perfect as the others. He saw the case in
two days. As we detailed, the reason the case was
solved was because the family called law enforcement told them
here he is. This is the guy. That's why they

(01:33:53):
found this shooter so quickly. There was on her lunacy
of how the case is actually being handled. I say
that given the fact that Patel said We've got the guy,
then he had to recant that and say, oh, it
turns out we don't have the guy. Then Patel goes
to the actual investigation location, the location of the murder,

(01:34:16):
and he says, I was helping out with the investigation.
Cash Bttel was helping out with the investigation. What investigative
abilities that Cash Patel have. So all I'm saying is
that Cash Betel's desire to take the victory lap on
the apprehension of the suspect, the desire to peacock about

(01:34:38):
the investigation itself, it's all of a kind. It serves
the ego and the flex of the people that Trump
has in power. Cash Btel a chief among them. A
man with tremendous power. Right, he can unlease the FBI
in all these different directions. He's sent them to dry
clean the Epstein files, he sent them to handle and
help with ice Washington, DC, helped with the da agents

(01:35:02):
who are going into Washington to start and perhaps Chicago next.
So a guy with a tremendous power. But let's face it,
there's no competence that's been reflected in anything that he's done.
So he's testifying before Congress today and I guess they've
really gotten into it. Adam Schiff and Cash Bettel go ahead, Tony.

Speaker 3 (01:35:26):
The American people to believe that.

Speaker 8 (01:35:29):
Do you think they're stupid?

Speaker 10 (01:35:31):
No, I think the American people believe the truth that
I'm not in the weeds on the everyday movements in
what I am.

Speaker 11 (01:35:38):
Doing is protecting this country, providing historic reforce, and combating
the weaponization of intelligence by the likes of Europe. And
we have countlessly proven you to be a lawyer in
Russia Gate in January sixth. You are the biggest brought
to ever since in the United States Senate. Disgrace to
this time and an utter pal I'm not surprised.

Speaker 8 (01:36:02):
I'm not surprised.

Speaker 11 (01:36:03):
You continue to lie from your person and put on
a show so you can go raise money for your sharoo.
You are political buffoon at best.

Speaker 3 (01:36:14):
Well, you can take take it.

Speaker 11 (01:36:16):
To the bank that the FBI is protected, the country, state,
citizize California historic reforms, point of order.

Speaker 3 (01:36:26):
But all you care about is a child.

Speaker 11 (01:36:29):
Sex predator that was prosecuted by a prior administration and
the Obama Justice Department and the Biden Justice Department did
squad And what did President Trump do? Bring new charges courageously?
And what have we done? Transparent FBI director in history
thirty three thousand pages of information to you, I challenge

(01:36:49):
you to say anything credibly.

Speaker 1 (01:36:51):
To the truth.

Speaker 3 (01:36:52):
Go ahead and run to the cameras where you want
to go.

Speaker 1 (01:36:54):
Now you'll be quiet, all right. I mean, that really
is what Patel is good at. You just saw it.
He's not good at running the FBI. He's good at
shouting down and in various forums from podcast to Fox
News channel, being able to hit punditry hard like, in

(01:37:16):
other words, in a rhetorical back and forth. He can
own the moment because he'll do what you just saw.
He'll lean into the mic. He can outshout anybody, and
he is on point always. This is what they do.
They just keep on coming. When I say they, I'm
talking about those who manifest whatever platform. In this case,

(01:37:38):
it's the left. You guys didn't do anything about the
Epstein files. We're the ones who turned over thirty three
thousand pages. Most of the stuff they turned over, as
you know, in the thirty three thousand pages, was all
stuff that was already in the public square. It was
nothing new. So in that sense, Patel has helped to

(01:38:00):
obfuscate in the case of the Epstein trial. The very
guy who said I want to demand that the FBI
director released those files, he Bongino Bondy. They're all now
just involved in the same cover up that they were
decrying under the Biden administration. But that's the piece of
video you're going to see. It's gone viral and it's

(01:38:23):
part of the back and forth. I thought you had
something else Tony two with Patel, did you? Or Am
I just remembering that wrong. I may be remembering it wrong,
But there were some moments in this Patel back and
forth that are worth seeing, and we'll try to get
you one or two of them. But I thought as
it pertains to Charlie Kirk, the important thing that you

(01:38:45):
should know is that the idea that Trump can somehow
claim boast and talk about the fact that it was
a two day investigation. I mean, just dude, it's only
a two days investigation because the family turned him in
and you didn't have any idea the FBI as to

(01:39:05):
where this thing was going to go. We still don't
know much about him, and what we're doing is we're
getting a narrative that is laid into the existing information.
So we're getting he was warm to leftist causes, his
roommate was a man who was transitioning. You're hearing these
things that begin to fit into a narrative, and honestly,

(01:39:28):
they're so concerned with feeding a narrative. I don't know
what to believe and what not to believe. I think
on this one you kind of have to wait and
see what corroborative evidence there was. They told us that
the etchings on the bullets and the bullet casings, that
they were associated with these leftist ideologies. Turns out that
that's wrong. Turns out that they were gay. It was

(01:39:51):
gamer code. Isn't that right? Tony's a gamer in our crowd,
but that a lot of what was.

Speaker 5 (01:39:55):
There was only one of them. It was kind of
like a hell Diver's reference. The other two were was
the chow Bella thing?

Speaker 1 (01:40:02):
You know? That was obviously you know chaw Bella and
what was the and the other one mentions fascist, mentioned fascis.

Speaker 5 (01:40:11):
I thought a cat hey fascist cash like that, wasn't.

Speaker 1 (01:40:14):
It, right, hey fashion cash? So you're saying that had
no connection to the gamer world.

Speaker 5 (01:40:19):
No, only the one would think the three downward errors
or something like that was a help might have been
a hell Diver's reference essentially.

Speaker 1 (01:40:25):
So again I'm confused on a super fascist thing and
stuff like that. And look, the notion that he didn't
like and was I mean, didn't like what Charlie had
disagreement I've heard didn't like had disagreements with the Charlie
Kirk expressed ideologies. Of course that's true. It was horrible

(01:40:46):
what he did. He murdered the guy. I'm presuming that
he didn't like him and didn't embrace his ideologies. So
the whole thing was a mess and continues to be
a bit of a mess. But what we're seeing from
the Trump administration that most concerns me is what we've
talked about for most of the show, which is this
idea that we can broaden somehow the messaging around the

(01:41:08):
Charlie Kirk murder and include attacks on the left on
anybody who expresses any kind of questions as to what
Charlie Kirk was about. It just any excuse that's used
to broaden government power and to shut down speech that
should concern you as an American. So I'm very concerned

(01:41:33):
in this moment, at this pivot, it's taking us to
a pretty dark place. Definitely, what do you have in
the gate there, Tony? I see something? Should I see
that or not?

Speaker 5 (01:41:46):
Some of the tell stuff this is I forget who
was asking senator about his enemy's list?

Speaker 1 (01:41:51):
If you want that?

Speaker 3 (01:41:54):
Yeah, I'm stremely that they all have these enemies lists.

Speaker 1 (01:41:57):
I haven't seen it. Well, Kim, get with the program.
We should all get to enemies lists. Yeah, I don't
have that. Yeah, I run out of I run out
of room on my enemy's list. I need a new piece.

Speaker 3 (01:42:10):
Of number one on your enemy's list.

Speaker 1 (01:42:16):
Yeah, I can't even the problem is I can't make
up my own handwriting. So I am very hard. I
should have I should have written it in and I
long handed it. Here's something I haven't seen it yet
on the enemies list.

Speaker 7 (01:42:28):
And then we'll Director Patel, welcome, Thank you, sir. When
you were here for your confirmation, we talked about your
so called enemies list.

Speaker 1 (01:42:41):
It appears to me that sounds incredible.

Speaker 7 (01:42:46):
Adverse actions of various kinds taken against about twenty of
the sixty people on your enemy's list. You've been in
office for seven months. At that rate, you've got fourteen
months and you've hit all sixty.

Speaker 1 (01:43:02):
Can you explain that again?

Speaker 10 (01:43:05):
That is an entirely inaccurate presupposition. I do not have
an enemy's list. You can continue to characterize it as
you wish. The only actions we take, generally speaking for
personal the FBI are ones based on merit and qualification
and your ability to uphold your constitutional duty. You fall short,
you don't work there anymore.

Speaker 7 (01:43:24):
Well, there was a list you don't like, get to
be called an enemy's list, and it had about sixty names, and.

Speaker 1 (01:43:29):
About twenty I had adverse actions.

Speaker 7 (01:43:31):
So those are I think pretty clear facts.

Speaker 1 (01:43:34):
Let me move on. Yeah, well, I guess he doesn't
have an enemy's list, or he does have an enemy's list.
I'm guessing he does, but I don't know. It's tough
to know. We started the show by showing you that
piece where Donald Trump is turning to John carl and says,
I think you have hate in your heart. So, I mean,

(01:43:54):
I think that's kind of where we are. We're guessing
what's in people's hearts. We're guessing if there's an enemy's list.

Speaker 9 (01:44:00):
No.

Speaker 1 (01:44:00):
Uh, but that's a lot of what's going on today.
And of course the Patel you know you'll hear and
see that Patel moment and a few moments from the
Patel testimony. That's kind of where we are now. That
sort of heated moment and back and forth will definitely
make the news cycle. Patel should be embarrassed as Susan
regarding uh, that screaming match worse than kids arguing what

(01:44:25):
a horrible example of American administration and politics? Yeah, bully move,
says Spencer. I mean, this is, as I say, what
what cash Hotel is very good at. Though if you
get him into that back and forth, you know you
probably are you're maybe getting to the back and forth

(01:44:45):
to a draw. But that's about it. Mark Thompson Show,
it's not related to you know, substance related to who
can dominate the moment on the mic, you.

Speaker 3 (01:44:55):
Know, so it's not related to answering the question at all. Yeah,
it's who can be louder right, as he said.

Speaker 1 (01:45:02):
Right, I thought to Corey Booker and he got into
it pretty big too. You may see some of that.
The they got into a yelling match also, so you know,
watch for that. I don't think we have it in
the queue, but I just don't. I don't think we
have time for it right now. And again, it's just

(01:45:22):
a it's just a shouting match. Trump is going to
send the National Guard to Memphis as Chicago's probably next.
This is a push by the administration to expand military
led responses to urban crime in democratic run cities. But
I will remind you that these are military people who
have no particular skill or training in reducing crime. There

(01:45:47):
there is a fighting force. We talked about the federal
charges that are being leveled against people who quote interfere
with ICE operations. George Is. A court is declining to
hear Fanny Willis's appeal of her removal from the Trump
election case. You'll remember that whole dismissal was because she

(01:46:11):
had a relationship with the prosecutor right there was an
appearance of impropriety with this romantic relationship she had, and
the court is saying they will not hear her appeal
of the removal on that case.

Speaker 3 (01:46:31):
So whoever replaces her then doesn't have to move forward
with it, although it might be a moot point anyway.

Speaker 1 (01:46:39):
The US health officials are now declaring they are going
to revisit the vaccine schedules and data on child deaths
and serious side effects that they would attribute to COVID
nineteen vaccines. There are public health experts who are saying

(01:47:03):
that the publicly available data does not support claims of
child deaths and these serious side effects, and it would
likely these conclusions by existing US health officials are going
to release this data lead to increased anti vax sentiment.

(01:47:27):
Independent advisors for the US Centers or Disease Control are
going to revisit recommendations for COVID shots as well as
vaccines for measles and hep B. This is a part
of a larger move to reduce access to vaccines, to
cast doubt on vaccines efficacies and potential damage, and RFK Junior,

(01:47:53):
of course, is a longtime anti vaxer, continues to make
sweeping controversial changes there at the CDC. I believe later
this week we have a doctor joining us, and of course,
uh doctor Offitt is going to join us the next
few weeks as well. Look, I know, people, it's somebody
in my family who had a reaction to the covid vacs,

(01:48:14):
you know, like a bad reaction of the covid vac.
So I don't think that that's totally made up at all.
But what's happening at the CDC is a tremendous oversteering,
it would seem to me, and in denial, I would say,
of decades of research and data on the efficacy of vaccines.

(01:48:38):
I mean, we've had people that I've read you emails
from those who actually were affected by polio and got
the polio drug, and that is the polio vaccine so
late in the process that they've now had polio symptoms
re emerge in them late in life. Again, the Meesels

(01:49:00):
vaccine has been proven to be so incredibly effective in
essentially eliminating measles as a public health threat, and what's
happened so many have now pushed away from the measles vaccine.
It's re emerging as a public health threat in these
clusters all around America where there have been groups of

(01:49:21):
people who have declined to have their kids get the
musles vaccine. Again, these statistics are overwhelmingly positive. But this
is the stuff that will address later in the week.
But that's what's happening at the CDC. I have, I
don't know, Kim, I have. I have a law and

(01:49:43):
disorder with Luigi Mangoni. I know I have and I
have a that's rich. I don't know. Do you want
the do you want the Louisian Luigia Mangione thing? I
do you want me to do it? As law and disorder?

Speaker 3 (01:50:02):
I you, Tony, Yes to all the above.

Speaker 1 (01:50:07):
Tony, Kim's the boss, so let's do it. Jim, how
are you? This is law and disorder In the criminal
justice system, the people.

Speaker 4 (01:50:18):
Himps, addicts, thieves, bumbs, linels, girls who can't keep on address,
and men who don't care are represented by two separate
and equally important groups. Copp a flat foot, a bull
of dick John Law.

Speaker 1 (01:50:28):
You're the fuzz, the heat.

Speaker 4 (01:50:29):
You're poisoning, your trouble, your bad news.

Speaker 1 (01:50:31):
These are their stories. Luigi Mangione scoring a major legal
victory a judge dismissing the two top state charges against him,
first degree murder and second degree murder, both of which
prosecutors that argued were terrorism crimes. Manjioni is still facing

(01:50:52):
an additional second degree murder charge, as well as a
federal murder charge. This is all, of course, in the
killing of the United Healthcare executive Brian Thompson. The judge
overseeing Manngoni's state criminal case, Gregory Caarro, says the evidence
put forth legally insufficient for the two terrorism related charges,

(01:51:13):
Counts one and two. This is a quote from the bench.
Counts one and two, charging the independent with murdering the
first degree and furtherance of an active terrorism and murdering
the second degree as a crime of terrorism are dismissed
as legally insufficient. So Manngoni is also facing federal charges
for allegedly gunning down Thompson outside a hotel. Also, weapon

(01:51:38):
possession counts that sort of thing.

Speaker 3 (01:51:40):
So it's the terrorism enhancement that they didn't like, because
he's still facing murder charges now second degree or first degree.

Speaker 1 (01:51:47):
Second degree now right, and federal murder charges. It's just
that these two top state charges against him are being dropped,
if you wanted to think of it that way. So
he's still facing the federal charges and an additional second

(01:52:08):
degree murder charge for those who are following on the
Luigi Mangioni legal card, that's how you should adjust the scoring.
By the way, the sentence for second degree murder in
New York, I mean it may I know, second degree
sounds like, oh, it's only second degree. Yeah, the guy,
you know, he's accused of gutting down this guy in

(01:52:30):
cold blood.

Speaker 3 (01:52:31):
Walking up on the sidewalk and just blowing someone away.

Speaker 1 (01:52:34):
So the second degree murder sentence ranges from twenty five
years to life. So you know, having that reduction ain't
doing much good for you. He was wearing khaki scrubs,
handcuffed wrists, and shackle the ankles as he moved into
the Manhattan courtroom just before nine to thirty this morning.

(01:52:57):
His appearance just coming six days after right wing commentator
Charlie Kirk was shot dead at that event in Utah.
The motive in kirk shooting still remains unknown. I know
they're all of these, as I say, narratives that are
being laid onto the Charlie Kirk murder. But we kind

(01:53:20):
of know that mangione was denouncing healthcare companies, and many
jumped on board after Luigi Mangioni's arrest and essentially celebrated
the fact that he went after the CEO. I mean,
United Healthcare is really considered sort of I'm going to say,

(01:53:44):
bottom of the barrel, really representing all the worst of
medical insurance and health insurance in this country. But I mean,
come on, you just can't. Can't be murdering people, man,
I mean, what's going on? But as it may, they
caught him and now he's facing murder charges, even as

(01:54:08):
they've altered a bit of what the charges will be.
That's law and disorder.

Speaker 8 (01:54:13):
Tune in again next time for more law and disorder.
I'm a Mark Thompson Show. All right, that's it. Let's roll, Hey.

Speaker 1 (01:54:21):
Let's be careful out there. Mm hmm yeah, Mark Thompson Show, Sean,
thank you for a super chat. The Scotis and multiple
state Supreme courts have repeatedly stated that filming law enforcement

(01:54:42):
officers doing something illegal is not in and of itself illegal. Well,
first of all, that's very good knowledge from Sean. And secondly,
I refer you back to what we were talking about,
what the Kay Johnson, and that is, well, you may

(01:55:02):
be backed up by the law, but in the meantime
they've arrested you, maybe falsely, maybe under the suggestion that
you've done something that you know is actually legal, but
while you're trying to prove it, you're cooling your heels
in prison. So that's sort of what the fear is,
I think in America right now, the Lady Beatrice with

(01:55:25):
a five dollars superchat. According to Sullivan versus New York Times,
the media can't be sued unless malice can be proven.
He has no case and he won't win. Yeah, thank
you for that, Lady Beatrice. I'll tell you another reason.
I'm just surprised by this, and maybe some of you
are regulars to the show know that I've said this
a few times. I'm surprised that he's suing over an
Epstein related thing, because I get it. On the one hand,

(01:55:48):
and this is probably what his thinking is. I'm suing
because I want to claim that it's a falsehood, that
it was made up and it's wrong and I never
signed it, and they're going to have to prove that
I did, and I want to get it out there
that this wasn't my signature. I had nothing to do
with this, and I'm actually suing them, that's how much

(01:56:09):
it's the fact that I had nothing to do with this.
My position was, I don't understand why he wants to
keep Epstein in the news cycle. I mean, just by
suing The New York Times over an Epstein related fact,
you are suggesting that they're going to be subpoenas. There
are going to be subpoenas for additional information, maybe information

(01:56:31):
out of files that are now being held by the
federal government. And you're going to every time there is
a subpoena, every time there is a request for information,
you're going to be confronting the fact that you, Donald Trump,
the President, are back in the news cycle. I just
see it as a strategic misstep. And this is a
guy who's so good at strategy that way, but clearly
he's full speed ahead. I want to sue everybody because

(01:56:52):
it's wrong, it's false. I'm not the guy. All right,
Market's time to go two and a half to three
hours for your show.

Speaker 3 (01:57:02):
What who is having that conversation?

Speaker 1 (01:57:07):
How many subs. Do we need to make that happen.
Don't have enough time with guests or any back and
forth with them, says in lag And Yeah, we keep everybody.
We usually don't cut any guests short. That's my I know,
I say sometimes you know we're out of time because
I've already committed generally with a certain guest, will only
go a half hour, will only go twenty five minutes.

(01:57:28):
That's why I say that. And you know, I just
want the guests to know that I respect the kind
of the general agreement that we're only going to keep
you so long, but sadly we can't go longer. Tom
Graves talked to Kim. It's her after party live that
gets me. I have to wrap up. Tom Grave says,
the city is being taken over by crime. It's because
Trump is a criminal. Yeah, well, I I don't know

(01:57:52):
if there's a cause and effect, but they're also the
cities being taken over by crime. I live in a city.
I hate the crime. Don't get me wrong, I am.
I grew up in a city always looking. I mean,
you know, if you grew up in the city, you're
always concerned. Did I leave something in the car? Did
I lock the car? Where did I park the car?
I mean, how am I getting from here to there?
Is am I going to stand on this corner waiting

(01:58:13):
for my uber or waiting for a cab? And you know,
is that a vulnerable corner? These are things that you
automatically factor in. I'm not saying it's a good thing,
but you do think about it when you're growing up
in a city or living in a city. But I
don't know if a city's overtaken by crime, you know,
I mean, I don't know. You can tell me. I mean,
is Chicago, Washington, d C. I grew up there. I

(01:58:34):
go back to there all the time and say it's
overtaken by crime. These are narratives again that just serve
and end. They do not actually represent a reality. Now,
I'm sure the people in those cities, and I've made
this point before, they say, hey, I love having you know,
troops here because it just you know, chills everybody out.
Nobody's going to mess with anybody on M Street or

(01:58:56):
on Wisconsin Avenue. All right, Yeah, but people also don't
want to go to restaurants. They don't want to go out.
You look at the restaurant reservation in Washington, DC, they're
down sixty percent month to month. We can't live in fear,
says Jewels Tea. Exactly. Yeah, Oakland is overtaken by crime,
says Calvin. I don't know. I mean you might have

(01:59:17):
a better handle on that than I do. Kim. I
mean Oakland is Oakland can be scary. Yeah, you'll have
to tell me. Is it overtaken by crime?

Speaker 3 (01:59:27):
I haven't been there in a while, but there was
a shooting there the other day. There's constant crime in Oakland.
You know, they battle it and then it comes back.
And we've talked about Hagenberger on the way to the
Oakland International Airport to the point that businesses were leaving
because there was so much crime along that street. So yeah,

(01:59:47):
in and out, left, in and out. It's like we've
had enough. We can't do it.

Speaker 1 (01:59:50):
I mean, I think Oakland does have a a has
a real problem. It's true. Yeah, Oakland is pretty bad,
says San Jose Lola. Not all parts though, Yeah, well
the Oakland Hills. I mean, I couldn't afford to buy
a house in the Oakland Hills, isn't Isn't it really
expensive there? I believe that's right.

Speaker 3 (02:00:10):
Hill, the whole barrier. It's expensive.

Speaker 1 (02:00:11):
Yeah, Louis says, happy happening at the CDC equals outlier normalization. Rationalization,
which equals focus on one in a million cases inflating
stat significance as a rationale for dumb policy idiots. Yeah.
I mean that's what I was kind of saying. You're
taking data and you're going to twist it and we'll
have to see it's really But that's why Paul Offittt's

(02:00:33):
going to join us, and that's where we have the
doctor later this week. I think he's coming in on
a Friday. So, uh, I think we have to wrap up, Kim.

Speaker 3 (02:00:43):
Yeah, I think so.

Speaker 1 (02:00:44):
The greatest regret that I share the fact that well,
I know, I know, I don't like it either. I
just as soon stay here. But sadly we must move
along tomorrow. The Professor John Rothman joins us. Sadly it's

(02:01:06):
not a Tony day. Tony is moving on to one
of his other fourteen jobs. I don't know what. I
don't know what his what the plan is for rest
of the week. Yeah, I am having la every day,
driving to La Man, driving driving to La Ville. Uh,
but a lot of fun today to at least be
in the mix. I'd say the news isn't fun, but

(02:01:28):
I'd say interacting with the audience is. Thank you for
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