Trump Pours Gas on Tragedy with Response to Charlie Kirk Murder 9/11/25

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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It is a solemn day, I would say, given the
anniversary of nine to eleven. It's being memorialized in many
different ways, and sadly, the shadow cast over much of
the nine to eleven memorial is associated with the murder
of right wing activist Charlie Kirk yesterday. It happened while

(00:41):
we were on the air. A lot of details are
now beginning to come out, fragments of details. There's a
lot of opinion around it, and there's also a lot
of information that is being twisted, i'd suggest, around this murder.
But anyway you calculate it.

Speaker 2 (00:58):
It's a horrible, horrible thing.

Speaker 1 (01:01):
Political violence is the road to ruin, and the violence
generally is the road to ruin, and so it is
with that that we continue today a lot about that,
but we will start with nine to eleven and get
onto even some other things today. I'm wearing the shirt

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It's a reminder that a peaceful protest is the way
to go in the forum of ideas, in the forum
of philosophies, in the forum even of political strategies, peaceful

(01:47):
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my point is simply, on this day, when we are
looking back at nine to eleven, and we're also going
to examine the political violence and the rising tide of
political violence in America, it bears remembering that peaceful protest

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is the only sort of acceptable protest there should be.
I welcome all of you who are into the chat early.
This is a two hour live show or on from
two to four in the East eleven to one in
the west. Good morning everyone, Hey, Mark, Kim Albert, the

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calls are coming in the earliest participants in the chat.
We always like to set aside Mario and John aloha remarkables,
says John Watson. Indeed, the nine to eleven Act of

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Terrorism was a obviously a horrible thing, but it produced
a series of horrible events that drew this country into
a confrontation with the Arab world, into a complicated war

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that had nothing to do with nine to eleven. The
nine to eleven horror that was wrought by Osama bin
Laden and devotee of his murderous philosophy, they it's sort
of the law of unintended consequences. The act was used

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as an excuse to beginner war in Iraq, to begin
an attack on a country that had nothing to do
with nine to eleven. If you look at the roots
of nine to eleven, those who committed these heinous acts,

(04:33):
they go back to Saudi Arabia, funding from the Saudis.
If you go back and look at nine to eleven,
you could see and even on some level defend the
reprisal from the US on Afghanistan and the Afghani terrorist

(04:54):
camps that existed there. As I say, the logic there
at least make some sort of reasonable sense. But what
the Bush administration did was they took it and used
it and pivoted to attacking Iraq to the point that

(05:17):
false intelligence information was concocted. And now as we look
at the Freedom Tower, as we look at the memorial
for nine to eleven, the loss of lives so horrifyingly
awful in this insanely brutal way, that changed the US forever,

(05:44):
and changed the city of New York forever. It changed
our view of the geopolitics of terrorism forever. And of
course it destroyed families and loved ones. Those who were
first responders in New York, the heroic men and women

(06:05):
of the Fire Department, the heroic men and women of
the Police Department, the heroic men and women who responded
to the need for all hands on deck to look
for survivors, to begin the grim task of going through

(06:27):
the wreckage of the Twin Towers. And there you see,
George Bush, if you're watching on YouTube, alongside a firefighter
there at ground zero. And I'll remind you of something.
After the war in Iraq, of course, and after the
absurdity of getting America into a war in Iraq based

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on some complicity of the iraqis in the nine to
eleven attack, the Sodom Hussein connection, which is completely concocted,
not saying Sadamussein was a friend of the US or
a friend of anything righteous brutal dictator, but not connected

(07:12):
to nine to eleven. But that said, when you're seeing
this picture right now, keep in mind George Bush, and
this is completely understandable. With an attack on the United
States of America was at a tremendous approval rating. He
had tremendous support from the US. I'm talking about the
population of the United States rallied behind this president, regardless

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of where you were. And there's Rudy Giuliani on the
left in this picture, and he's been dining out on
being America's mayor and what he did on nine to eleven.
He's been dining out on that since this happened, since
this tragedy hit New York. And they're in the background.
You can see Chuck Schumer. You end up with the

(08:00):
I think that's Deblasio in the background as well. I
don't know the name of that firefighter there. He may
I'm sure he's someone in an official position. But this
is the kind of image that did burnish in the
American consciousness, a sort of strength that was represented by
public officials and the call to strike back, to do something,

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and so something was done. As I say, part of
it was defensible, and then of course the Iraqi part
was not. But if you want to read a book
about how the cake was already baked about on Iraq
and from a guy who's reported on the Pentagon, I
think the Ricks book is excellent. Thomas Rix I think
is his name, and it's called Fiasco, as I recall,

(08:50):
and you can read all about it, how this cake
was baked for the attack on Iraq before nine to
eleven even happened, and it was quickly served up once
nine to eleven did happen. But the reality is the
loss of life, the twisted lives, the true tragedy of
nine to eleven is something that has left a permanent

(09:13):
scar on this country and for all of us. I'm
sure for you watching and listening, I mean, you have
a clear sense of how you felt violated. It was
so profoundly tragic and so at ground zero. You see
these memorials today in America, in New York City. Now,

(09:40):
as you might expect there has been an outpouring of
support for the memory of so many who lost their lives,
so many families, so many first responders. As noted I
think in the chat, those who ran into the horror

(10:01):
even as it was clear that these buildings were collapsing.
Jim Slayton says, with a five dollars super Chad, never
forget nine to eleven, honoring the lives lost, the heroes
who ran toward danger, and the families who carry their
memory exactly and very well said so the President spoke,

(10:22):
and you would expect that you'd expect a deep hearted
sympathy to help memorialize on this day the tragedy of
nine to eleven. Sadly the president, while making a point

(10:43):
of remembering the lost souls and remembering some of the
heroes involved in rescuing many of those who certainly might
have lost their lives in the nine to eleven attack,
Donald Trump, the President of the United States, turned quickly
to attacking the left that was made possible because of

(11:09):
the murderous act perpetrated yesterday against conservative activist Charlie Kirk.
I mean to call Charlie Kirk a conservative activist is
to greatly under sell what Charlie Kirk was. He was

(11:31):
a transformational figure in the conservative movement, and what he
understood was something that the old school conservatives didn't get.
I mean, the Mitt Romneys of the world, even the
Mitch McConnell's of the world, didn't get the power of media,

(11:51):
didn't get the way in which you can use media,
didn't understand the real work that charl Arlie Kirk was
doing with young Americans. And Charlie Kirk he rallied a
tremendous number of young people to show up at the

(12:12):
polls this past election cycle. Charlie Kirk was someone who
the Trump family recognized as transformational. And I say that
Trump family deliberately because Donald Trump was less aware of
Charlie Kirk. I think I can argue effectively then. For example,

(12:35):
his son was his son, Don Junior, was the one
who brought him into the Trump world. And it was
Charlie Kirk's power and effective manipulation of media. I mean,
he was a good speaker. He brought the arguments that
he had defending a conservative vision of America. And again,

(13:00):
when I say conservative vision, it's a maga vision which
you could argue no longer represents conservatism, it represents something else.
Conservatism would be less government. Conservatism would be a lot
of things associated with personal freedoms that are now very
much threatened. You can start with the women's right to choose.

(13:21):
You can go on to even free speech, which is
being threatened in many ways, shutting down of media. The
government involved in everything from an ownership in Intel to
a powerful finger on the scale when it comes to
the legal profession as a result of attacking legal institutions
and law firms in Washington, etc. See, these are all

(13:42):
things that really fly in the face of any traditional
conservatism that would take government away from all of that right.
You want less government affecting everything I just mentioned and beyond.
But that then doesn't really represent what Charlie Kirk was
talking about. He quickly became immersed in Magnation and Trump,

(14:06):
as I say, the Trump family. They brought Charlie Kirk
in close to them and he became a part of
the Trump team. And so when it came time to
really roll out an election strategy, Charlie Kirk was a big,
big part of it. So it is no wonder to
me that Donald Trump is memorializing Charlie Kirk, and I'd say,

(14:33):
in the amount of time spent today talking about nine
to eleven memorializing and Charlie Kirk memorializing, Charlie Kirk wins
that race. And the reason I think that's noteworthy is
I think it speaks to priorities. So Charlie Kirk's powerful

(14:58):
hand something that was so very effective in creating a
movement and Turning Point USA was his baby. His young
guy created Turning Point USA and he went on to
college campuses. He went to places where he could get

(15:19):
healthy debate. Now you could say it was like pro wrestling.
He was kind of taking on debaters with an understanding
that he was going to, you know, have them shouted
down by the crowd that collected. But to be fair
to Charlie Kirk, I thought he really took on those

(15:41):
who disagreed with him and those who were bringing the heat.
He took them on regularly. That was kind of something
that he liked doing. But also to be fair to
the argument, But Charlie Kirk wasn't some regular old school conservative.
This is a guy who had some very strong loathsome

(16:05):
views of the America that he saw. He made comments
that were openly racist. Didn't he say something? When I
hear that, I see that there's a black pilot on
the plane, I get worried. Yep, he had very.

Speaker 3 (16:25):
He had some some pretty interesting views about women as.

Speaker 1 (16:28):
Well as trying to figure out how to package it.

Speaker 3 (16:32):
Yeah, he just said to Taylor Swift when she announced
her engagement to Travis Kelcey that it's time for her
to obey her husband and that she better change her
last name from Swift to Kelsey or she won't really
be meaning it. I mean, that's just that's the tip
of the iceberg on misogyny. That's that's who. That's how

(16:54):
I hope he's remembered for the things he said. That's
what his legacy should be, not the what appears to
be some type of murderdom that's in the works right now.

Speaker 1 (17:05):
The reality is what Kim's talking about. There's been a
whitewashing a bit of who Charlie Kirk was. And again
I've just said, and I'll say it over and over again,
the murder of Charlie Kirk is completely unacceptable. And any
political violence and any violence at all is completely unacceptable,

(17:26):
I mean, full stop. But it's not fair to cherry
pick who Charlie Kirk was, just like, it's not fair
to cherry pick political violence and suggests that it all
comes from the left or it all comes from the right.
I mean, the preponderance of evidence is that political violence
in America right now is really very much carried out

(17:50):
by the right. But that said, I don't want to
whitewash that either, But whitewashing, which we often do to
be fair. When someone passes away, we kind of lionize them.
We kind of just speak of them in ways in
which we can all understand. The morning that takes place

(18:11):
and the loss of this guy, to his kids, to
his wife, it's horrible, it's just heartbreaking. But who he
was shouldn't be lost in all of this either. Karen
Cooper says in chat, I hadn't seen Charlie Kirk until
I watched a video this morning. He was a big

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part of the increase in hate and violence in the
US that led to his ultimate destruction. Again, it is
weirdly ironic. There's so much irony here, tragic irony. It
is true. I got also an email about that. Now,
you know, those of us sort of in this political
conversation regularly we know Charlie Kirk, we know who he is.

(18:58):
But I, yeah, I got this just this morning.

Speaker 2 (19:01):
Let me just I've received a lot of positive letters.

Speaker 1 (19:03):
I heard the news about Charlie Kirk yesterday as it
was breaking, and for the life of me, I said
to myself, who is that? Who is Charlie Kirk. My
wife then said, well, you don't watch Fox News, so
it's no wonder you don't know. I don't watch Fox News,
nor do I use social media. He says, I'm not
influenced by people who say they are influencers. I guess

(19:24):
what does this say about me? I'm old or I'm
out of touch. I'm not sure. I read, I watched
TV news, I read Apple News on my iPhone, listen
to KCBS News here in the Bay Area several times
a day. I also listened to The Mark Thompson Show,
which one of you is Mark Thompson. I used to
listen to KGO before it did whatever it did. Ron owned, Jimmyson,

(19:45):
Pete Wilson, my favorite Gen Burns. But I never heard
of Charlie Kirk. Now I have. That's from a Barton.
Thank you for the email. I think Charlie Kirk might
be someone that you wouldn't know if you're not in

(20:07):
the media sphere that covers so much of what he does.
But I would say the Turning Point USA, that was
a pretty big movement. I mean, to not know that,
I think shows maybe a little bit of a blind spot.
But to be again, to be fair, you may be
focusing on your own set of priorities when it comes
to news. There's a lot to cover. So I think

(20:27):
it's perfectly excusable if you didn't know Turning Point USA.
But they and this is why I wanted to make
the point. They turned out a vote that, in my judgment,
was more relevant to the winning that President Trump did
in this last election than even Joe Rogan. Joe Rogan

(20:48):
and many like him got the anti vaxx movement a
sort of critical mass. I think a lot of people
were single issue voters on anti vaxxing. They didn't like
the way things were handled under the bad demonstration in
relation to the vaccine, and that brought a lot of
people to the polls. And then after that I think
it got hazy to them. On policy, they filled the

(21:13):
empty vessel of Donald Trump with whatever they wanted that economy, immigration,
whatever it might be. But what Charlie Kirk did was
well beyond Joe Rogan. He motivated young people from college
campuses to the youth of America who could really relate
to him, and he motivated them in ways that again

(21:37):
represented the magosphere. It's what Kim's talking about. There was
a lot of racism, sexism. There was at its core
a kind of hate, Albert you have.

Speaker 3 (21:53):
Can I just mention, I just want to mention that
I agree with the person who wrote the letter. I
was also someone who didn't pay attention to Charlie Kirk,
didn't agree with the message, and so kind of dismissed
it as just this noise that I wasn't interested in hearing.
But I was very surprised that yesterday my daughter in

(22:18):
the North Bay in high school called me. Everyone in
high school, she said, in at our school was watching
the video as it happened of Kirk getting shot. Same
thing with a friend of mine, Nikki Medoro in the
South Bay. Her daughter also called her from high school,
letting her know that Charlie Kirk was shot. Kids in

(22:38):
high school know who he is across the Bay area,
and if they know in the Blue Bay area, they
certainly are talking about it across the country. I underestimated,
I think the reach that he had when it comes
to young people in this country, and I was surprised
that they all knew who he was. And I will

(22:58):
also say as someone and said they spent time watching
videos of him yesterday because they had no idea who
he was. That's something that conservatives are talking about and
saying that somehow, you know, this makes it okay, not okay,
but more palatable, I guess because now everyone knows who

(23:19):
he is, and now everyone's talking about him, and now
his message is being spread far and wide, so he
can rest in peace because he's done what he needed
to do.

Speaker 1 (23:29):
Interesting, Yeah, I mean his reach to particularly a younger
group of people is super noteworthy, and that was his
intent to bring Turning Point USA to those younger people.
So right, it takes a younger person often times to

(23:49):
message to a younger population. We talk about political messaging
on this show all the time. I think it's critical.
I think that Charlie Kirk might have evolved if he
wanted to into the kind of political figure who could
have ascended to the presidency. He had that kind of
constituency I mean, that's really how it's built. It's built
through social media, through messaging. He went to universities, he

(24:10):
went to schools. There was a lot of outreach. He
did a lot of the heavy lifting. Yes, he was
with Gavin Newsom. Gavin Newsom had Charlie Kirkin and that
was in the podcast. A massive, massive controversy. How many
people in this country died yesterday, asked Christine Park His

(24:31):
death is no sadder than any of theirs. Well, it's
not a question of sadder, but I would say his
death is significant for the violence that it can actually produce,
to uncork the sort of political violence. I'm seeing references
to it on Facebook. I'm seeing all sorts of references

(24:52):
to Okay, now it's on. If this is what you wanted,
you know, I can see we tried it the peaceful way.
Now we'll try it a different way. Flying a flag
at half staff is insulting to the flag, actually says
read more history. His murder is wrong, tragic, But he
was a merchant of hatred. He just was, well, we're
getting a little ahead of ourselves. But yes, it's true.

(25:13):
The president has asked for the flags in Washington to
run a half staff. He will, as I'm told, I
believe his casket was traveling on Air Force two, the
Vice President's plane, and JD. Vance is actually squiring his
remains back to Washington or wherever they're going. I was

(25:36):
reading that just maybe an hour ago. But as to
who he was, we'll get to that. And I think
there are some pretty good thoughts on this. You want
to start with.

Speaker 4 (25:53):
That.

Speaker 1 (25:53):
Jeff Charlotte Cutt. He's a professor at Dartmouth, and here's
a little bit of him talking about both Kirk and
this moment in time in America.

Speaker 5 (26:05):
Amongst the right wingers, and reading right wing media and
fascist media and understanding their imagination of the moment, which is, OK,
I'm not going to take away. They've lost one of
their own, and I don't doubt some of them mourn him,
but you also see a certain amount of glee rippling

(26:29):
through that world. The language that I keep seeing is
the gloves are off, everything's on the table, it's on now,
it's time to do it right. So there's a sense
in which, rather than mourning their following comrade, they're seeing it,
as some are seeing it as a licensed to further

(26:51):
escalate political violence.

Speaker 3 (26:53):
Well, Jeff Charlotte, if you could just provide some broader context,
explain who Charlie Kirk was, the kind of extremely broad
influence that he had. I mean, some have commented that,
in fact, he was more important for Trump than some
of his cabinet secretaries.

Speaker 1 (27:09):
Yeah, this is what I was saying.

Speaker 5 (27:10):
Certainly, I really think this is he's one of the
great underestimated figures outside right wing organizing circles. And that's
because he had a three hour daily, you know, three
hour talk show. He had a bigger presence on TikTok
than most political figures, and so he was misunderstood as

(27:31):
an influencer and he was that. But primarily and fundamentally,
what he was was an organizer and a very very
effective one. You know, political analysts quibble over how much
how essential he was the swinging so much of the
youth vote to Trump, but there's no question that he

(27:53):
was a huge, huge part of it. And he did
that by transforming far right youth politics. And the previous
organizations had always been built around ideology rather whether it
was kind of a William F. Buckley conservatism or libertarianism,
and Kirk's insight was absolute devotion to the great leader,

(28:15):
cult of personality a central tenet of fascism, His politics
would change. His enemies were Trump's enemies, Whoever's whoever they
that was that day. He was in so many ways,
and I think Trump viewed him this as the son
he really wanted to have a figure of tremendous, tremendous influence.

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And I think that's important for us to understand because
the scale of the right wing reaction is going to
be is going.

Speaker 1 (28:48):
To correlate with that.

Speaker 5 (28:50):
Professor Charlotte talk about turning Point USA. What is the
significant of this organization and his role in building guys.

Speaker 1 (29:00):
I've kind of spoken of that already. I don't think
I need to see this part, but thank you. I
liked the first part because I thought it really did
speak to who he was, and so many I think
here didn't know who he was, weren't familiar with him particularly.
I'd really just wanted that first part for that. I
also want to just because I'm seeing in the chat
people going, you got to be kidding me, They're really
going to go with the flags at half staff. President

(29:23):
Donald Trump ordering flags to be flown at a half
staff following the fatal shooting of conservative influencer Charlie Kirk
at a Turning Point USA event at Utah Valley University
in Utah. Trump ordered the flags across the nation at
military posts and at embassies to remain flown at half
staff until September fourteenth. This according to a White House proclamation.

(29:44):
You know, he was shot during this Q and A.
He's thirty one years old. As you know, he was
shot during this bizarre moment. And I say bizarre because
again the the scene is dripping with tragedy, but tragic irony.

(30:05):
He was a real proponent of Second Amendment rights, meaning
of gun rights. And it was in a moment and
questioning of Kirk by someone in the audience about gun
rights and about mass shootings. It was at that moment

(30:28):
that he and during that exchange that he was shot
and killed. I've heard every manner of conspiracy about who
might be behind it. I even heard today, I just
heard this morning. I guess has to be today, just
today and yesterday all run together. You know, I saw

(30:49):
the most remarkable thing I saw that it's a fake.
He's still alive, still shots from the video yesterday as
he tips left. You know, you see the blood going

(31:09):
this way, got going that way. I saw this entire
thing with a lot of it. I mean, so you're
telling me that Charlie Kirk faked his own death to
do what he was already ahead of, this incredible movement
that like likely would have produced another election win. He's

(31:30):
going to rob his kids three and one years of
age of a future dad. Come on. So, I mean,
I've seen every manner of everything, and I've even seen
sort of a more elegant conspiracy theory. And as you know,
I'm not a conspiracy theorist, but sometimes I think just
because you're a conspiracy theorist doesn't mean there really isn't
a conspiracy about the thing you're talking about. But on

(31:52):
this one, we really have to wait and see. We
really just don't know. So I'm the more elegant one
is that it was set up by the right, that
this is a design hit, and you don't shoot someone

(32:14):
from two hundred yards away unless you're an experienced marksman.
That said, there is a picture that's been released by
the FBI, Albert, you have that. Here's the latest on
the picture that they've identified a person of interest in.

Speaker 6 (32:30):
Go ahead, Hi, I'm Dianaceta.

Speaker 4 (32:31):
Let's get right to breaking news.

Speaker 6 (32:33):
The FBI is asking for help identifying this man, who
they are calling a person of interest in the shooting
of conservative activist Charlie Kirk. Sources tell ABC News ammunition
found with the rifle was engraved with messages about transgender
issues and anti fascist ideology. Meanwhile, President Trump says he
plans to speak to Kirk's family this afternoon. Our Chief

(32:54):
Justice correspondent Pierre Thomas.

Speaker 3 (32:56):
As more on that. Pierre, what's the latest on this photo.

Speaker 4 (33:02):
Diane, Well, here's what we have, and here's what we know.

Speaker 7 (33:06):
This picture is being put out by the FBI and
law enforcement because they believe this is a person that
they very much want to talk to. I'm told by
sources it's from surveillance footage in and around the area
where the shooting took place, and you can see this
appears to be a male person with wearing sunshades and

(33:27):
a baseball cap. The FBI very much wants to talk
to that person, and they're asking for the public's help
in identifying this person so that they can get access
to them and begin to interview them.

Speaker 1 (33:39):
Again.

Speaker 7 (33:39):
They want the public's help to identify this person so
that they want so that they can talk to them.
This person is being described to me as a person
of interest, someone they very much wants to, that they
want to talk to. And Dane, what you see unfolding,
what you literally see unfolding is what we were discussing yesterday,
is that the surveillance footage was going to be the

(34:02):
key to the case. That's what my law enforcement sources
were telling me last night. They believed that when the
campus the campus and the areas around the campus, that
they would be getting images of this suspect moving about,
or a person of interest moving about, I should say,
in this case, this is someone that they think could
have information about the attack and they want to talk.

Speaker 1 (34:24):
To this person. All right, very good, Thank you, Albert.
I want to get now to Donald Trump, who has
taken this event. And as I say, this memorializing of
Charlie Kirk, discussion of who he is is occurring in
the shadow of the nine to eleven memorial, or you
could say the nine to eleven memorial is occurring in

(34:45):
the shadow of the assassination of Charlie Kirk. But either way,
the two are coming together. In the remarks of Donald Trump, Trump,
speaking at the nine to eleven Memorial, couldn't wait to
apparently bring in these acts of political violence and blame
the left, and of course talk about his own prosecution

(35:10):
and the way he's hounded by the left and the
left wing media as that thing which whips up this
sort of political violence. Go ahead, Albert.

Speaker 2 (35:20):
Sure fallen and sent an unmistakable message to every enemy
around the world, talking about you attack the United States
of America. We will hunt you down and we will
find you go all over this sometimes magnificent earth. We
will crush you without mercy, and we will triumph without question.

(35:45):
That's why we named the former Department of Defense the
Department of War. It will be different. We won the
First World War, we won the Second World War. We
want everything before that and in between, and then we
decided to change the name. Well, now we have it

(36:09):
back to where we all wanted. Everybody wanted it. Everybody
is so happy to have it back. You will fail
in America, will win, win, win. The enemy will always fail.
Twenty four years have passed since that Tuesday morning in September,
and an entire generation of Americans have come of age

(36:32):
in a totally different world. While they cannot remember the
agony of that day. They are carrying on the legacy
of those who lost. Around eight thirty am on the
morning of the attacks, Army Lieutenant Colonel Kip Taylor sent
an email to his friends and family describing the joys
of fatherhood and his excitement for the upcoming birth of

(36:54):
his unborn son. He wrote, after you have kids, there
are days that you just get going and you say, hi, honey,
I'm home. What we do until that moment pales in comparison.
Is that staponder high, honey in a minute, so American,
so beautiful. But that's really the point of it all,

(37:18):
isn't it. An hour after he sent that email, Flight
seventy seven flu into Colonel Taylor's Pentagon office and claimed
the life of a very proud father and true patriot.
Six weeks later, on October twenty fifth, two thousand and one,
Colonel Taylor's son, Luke was born. Luke then tragically lost

(37:38):
his mom to cancer when he was just two years old,
leaving him to be raised by his father's brother. As
a young boy, Luke asked his uncle about the folded
flag on the bookshelf, and when he learned about his
dad's decades of devotion to the army and the horrors

(37:58):
of September eleventh. That's when he learned. Luke carried that
memory with him and joined the ROTC as a college freshman.
He graduated just last year, and I'm pleased to say
he is with us today as a second lieutenant and
doing very well. He's rising quickly in the infantry, preparing
for Army Ranger School. He spinning image of his dad,

(38:22):
they say. Luke says that every time he puts on
a uniform he feels connected to his father and to
our country. But it was a father he never knew. Luke,
your parents are together in heaven and they could not
be proud or of the man that they have produced.
They produced you. Those two great people produced you. Luke.

(38:45):
Please stand, so this is.

Speaker 1 (38:48):
The kind of moment that you often see a few
sorts of memorials. In full uniform. He stands with that
really applause.

Speaker 2 (38:56):
You look good, Looke, you look good. They are looking
down and they're very proud. This morning we recall the
light of America's best and bravest and the love that
they showed in their final moments. In their memory, we
make a solemn pledge and a noble promise. We will
honor always our great heroes, and you are our heroes.

(39:20):
There's a group of people that don't want to talk
about our heroes, but we will always talk about our heroes.
And that's the way our country is, and that's the
way the people feel. We will defend the nation they served,
the values they upheld, and the freedom for which they died.
We will support our troops, We will protect our families,

(39:40):
and we will preserve the American way of life for
every future generation. We will build taller, grow stronger, fight harder,
and sore higher, and together we will go forward as
one people, with one heart, one fate, one flag, and
one glorious destiny under Almighty God. May God bless the

(40:04):
memories of those who died, and the heroes who fought,
and the soldiers who still stand watch. May God bless
the United States of America. Thank you very much, Thank you.

Speaker 1 (40:15):
I think we picked that up, believe, but he was there.
I thought one reference and I'll play you another Trump
cut in a second. There are people who don't want
to remember these heroes. What is that a reference to?

Speaker 2 (40:30):
Who?

Speaker 1 (40:31):
Yeah, who don't want to remember the nine to eleven heroes.
This is the sort of thing that you hear a
lot of from Trump and from the magosphere. They don't
want to recognize the heroes. They don't love America as
much as we love America. There's a lot of us
versus them. I mean, it's all us services them with Trump.
Where's the other Trump stuff? Here you go. Albert has

(40:54):
the next cut from Trump. I don't want you to
think it was all nine to eleven memorializing. Check this
out in.

Speaker 2 (41:01):
Let me express the horror and grief so many Americans
at the heinous assassination of Charlie Kirk. I felt Charlie
was a giant of his generation, a champion of liberty,
and an inspiration to millions and millions of people. Our

(41:22):
prayers are with his wonderful wife, Eric and his beautiful children.
Fantastic people they are. We miss him greatly. Yet I
have no doubt that Charlie's voice and the courage he
put into the hearts of countless people, especially young people,

(41:42):
will live on. I'm pleased to announce that I will
soon be awarding Charlie Kirk posthumously the Presidential Medal of Freedom.
The date of the ceremony will be announced, and I
can only guarantee you one thing that we will have a.

Speaker 1 (41:58):
Very big crowd, very big. Well. The one thing I
would say is that this is the disposition of the
President toward Charlie Kirk and to memorializing Charlie Kirk. I
told you that the remains of Charlie Kirk will accompany
JD Vance in Air Force two. Also told you about
the flag at half staff and the continue continued the

(42:21):
degrading of this Presidential Medal of Freedom given posthumously to Kirk.
And I'll remind you that it was given to Rush Limbaugh.
And Limbaugh really was the inspiration for Charlie Kirk. If
you know anything about Charlie Kirk, and apparently a lot
of people don't, Charlie Kirk was really inspired by Rush Limbaugh.
He was a kid when Rush Limbaugh was really popular,

(42:43):
and he used to during his lunch hour listen to
Rush Limbaugh. And he had a very Rush Limbaugh inspired
way of connecting. He really had a again and us
versus them, black versus white way of looking at everything.

(43:04):
And he was I mean, Charlie Kirk was a hate monger,
but again in the theater of and forum of ideas.
There's no room for violence. This should have been this
hate speech returned with more speech, not weapons, and not bullets. Sorry,

(43:29):
dude is not my hero. There's plenty of video evidence
supporting that he was a bigot and misogynists. Hope we
don't elevate him to nine to eleven status, says Luis.
Thank you for the five dollars super chat. And of
course you're right. Here is a bit of a run
that I liked from Schmidt on this, and I just
want to mention, no, I see, yeah, don't you like

(43:51):
Schmidt ahead of Jesse Waters. I don't know. I couldn't
take Jesse Waters. I mean, Jesse Waters went on with
kind of this US versus them thing, you know what
I mean? He was reflective of the Oh okay, this
is what you want. They're coming after us. Okay, now
it's isn't that what he was doing? Albert? I think
that I.

Speaker 8 (44:07):
Was listening, just listing the notable assassination or.

Speaker 1 (44:12):
Yeah, yeah, this is worth noting, and then I'll let
you hear Schmidt. Sorry, let me do this, so let
you hear Waters last night and then listen to how
political violence is cherry picked by Waters the same way
that Donald Trump cherry picks it when he talks about
political violence to only talk about political violence against the right.

(44:35):
And when we leave out all of these left, leftist
and centrist democratic targets of political violence, what's that, kim.

Speaker 3 (44:42):
It feels like when they cherry pick, they're stirring the pot. Right,
They're stirring the pot so that we have even more
of this go ahead.

Speaker 1 (44:50):
Here's Jesse Waters from last night.

Speaker 9 (44:52):
This hits differently because Charlie was one of us and
Trump gets hit in the ear, gets shot dead. They
came after Kavanaugh with a rifle to his neighborhood. They
went after Musk's cars. They just shot two Jews outside
the embassy.

Speaker 3 (45:12):
Think about it.

Speaker 9 (45:13):
Scalice got shot, barely survived.

Speaker 4 (45:16):
It's happening.

Speaker 9 (45:17):
We've got transhooters, you got riots in LA.

Speaker 4 (45:21):
They are at war.

Speaker 9 (45:22):
With us, whether we want to accept it or not,
they are at war with us. What are we going
to do about it? How much political violence are we
going to tolerate? And that's the question we're just going
to have to ask ourselves.

Speaker 1 (45:35):
Now, that's to me, the most incendiary rhetoric that is
cherry picked to establish and US versus them that I've heard.
Here are the actual facts. For those with conveniently short memories.
I think this is out of maybe as your client posted.

Speaker 8 (45:55):
This, it was a different Twitter user.

Speaker 1 (45:57):
I found this different Twitter. Here we go. The manage
targeted didn't kill Dummercratic state lawmaker Melissa Hartman and her
husband Mark in their home in Minnesota was a Trump supporter.
The man charged with attempted assassination of Pennsylvania Democratic Governor
Josh Shapiro in April was a Trump supporter. The man
convicted of orchestrating a series of shootings at the homes

(46:17):
of four Democratic elected officials in New Mexico in twenty
twenty two was a Trump supporter. The man who tried
to kidnap then Democratic House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and assaulted
her husband Paul in twenty twenty two was a Trump supporter.
The men who wanted to hang Mike pens on January sixth,
twenty twenty one were Trump supporters. The man who killed

(46:40):
the son of Obama appointed district Judge Esther Sallis in
twenty twenty was a Trump supporter. The men who were
convicted of trying to kidnap Michigan's Democratic governor, Gretchen Whitmer
in twenty twenty were Trump supporters. The man who sent
pipe bombs to the homes of Barack Obama, Joe Biden,
Hillary Clinton, and other top Democrats in twenty eighteen was

(47:02):
a Trump supporter. The man who killed left wing activist
Heather Higher after driving his car into a crowd of
counter protesters in Charlottesville in twenty seventeen was a Trump supporter.
Don't tell me about the attacks on the right and

(47:22):
completely leave out the attacks on the left. Don't say, oh,
they wanted this. They count on those who are making
these arguments. They count on the short memory that you have. Oh,
everybody's about Charlie Kirk, it must be yeah, left wing violence,
it's it's ruling America. No, the proliferation of guns is everywhere,

(47:47):
and the violence, the preponderance of it, is coming from
the right. Again. II to cry it all left or right,
But these arguments that are being made in this moment
are scary. Political violence only begets more political violence. Violence
only begets more violence. You can apply it to the

(48:10):
Middle East instead of looking just at America. But there's
no question that this is true. What is on screen
now despicable. The USA president is stoking tensions instead of
calling for calm, says Lacumeca. Play me a little bit

(48:30):
of Schmidt today. I thought he was a particularly didn't
see all about It's got a glance. But I like Schmidt.
I mean, it's weird. He was an old school conservative,
but let's leave aside his background. I thought this was
pretty good. Go for it.

Speaker 8 (48:47):
Albert must be condemned unequivocally. Jeff Bezos says democracy dies
in darkness, dies with a gunshot at high noon on
a Utah Community College campus. It dies when a president

(49:08):
of the United States says in broad daylight that our
cornerstones in our society have no meaning, and only if
he wins.

Speaker 1 (49:20):
The election is it legitimate.

Speaker 8 (49:24):
MAGA is a violent political philosophy because MAGI is fascism.
There are many people who say, when they see violence
in America that this isn't America. Well, they don't know

(49:45):
their country, because we live in one of the most
violent societies on earth, and the political violence we're seeing
is a result of something that Matthew Out was fired
for on MSNBC for telling the truth hateful rhetoric follows

(50:10):
hateful thoughts and is the preface to violence, saying that
on MSNBC God Matthew doubt fired. Now, isn't that the
curriculum of the Holocaust Museum. Hateful thoughts becoming hateful words,

(50:32):
becomes hateful actions. Let me show you something. This magazine
Life Magazine is holding up is from November of nineteen
thirty eight, and the Toddler on it celebrates the second

(50:54):
anniversary of Life magazine, which was which was booming. And
it's an interesting magazine cover because you can see from
behind me what was happening in the world in nineteen
thirty eight by the images on those magazine covers. But
for that edition, the editors at Life looked around and said,

(51:17):
the most important thing for the Life reader is to
celebrate the second anniversary of the creation of the magazine.
But inside inside this magazine are the first pictures of
the Crystal knocked, the revenge that the Germans take against

(51:39):
the Jews who they blamed for the assassination of a
German official a Nazi in Paris, and the rage that
breaks loose incited by Goebels, incited by Hitler, smashes thousands

(52:01):
of Jewish own stores, and great violence is unleash, the
event that predicates the Holocaust. In the magazine, the next
story has a picture of Hitler and Gouring at Gourring's
niece's christening. Now the reality is in the aftermath of

(52:31):
a murder, A murderous ideology built on a foundation of
violence used and acts of violence as a pretext to
commit more violence. I will not get on my knees

(52:55):
and capitulate to things that I know are not true.
January sixth was a violent coup, and it was incited
by the man who is responsible for inciting political violence

(53:15):
in America on a ten year basis, and that man
is Donald Trump. Period. The death of Charlie Kirk is
a tragedy. It was murder, and it happened in front
of his children. But Charlie Kirk in life was a

(53:36):
political extremist and an agitator who profited from division, not inspiration.
His ministry was a cancerous one and it was aimed
at killing the American Republic. Charlie Kirk deserves to be

(54:01):
debated and condemned, not shot. And Charlie Kirk was thirty one.
Maybe Charlie Kirk got a forty year old man would
have abandoned the dark path he was on. But the
chance of that was stolen from him, from us, from

(54:24):
all of us. But Charlie Kirk did not serve his country.
Charlie Kirk did not serve the American flag, and it
is inappropriate for it to be lowered to half staff
above the White House, the violation of protocol and meaning
Charlie Kirk served the Maga flag. He was a political person,

(54:48):
and we should all appreciate the deep sickness inside of
Magna that says we lower the flag above the White
House for Charlie Kirk, but not for Senator Melissa Hortman.
Donald Trump, over and over again, has a sighted violence.

(55:10):
And when an eighty year old man was attacked by
a hammer because he was married to the Speaker of
the House, Maga lit up with jokes and celebration, and
Charlie Kirk said, a good patriot, they would bail that
attacker at anybody.

Speaker 1 (55:27):
Really, the point that there is a double standard, hypocrisy
and also a clear stirring of the violent pot that
comes out of the right. And the reason I wanted
you to hear the first part, which relates to Crystal Knock,
et cetera. Is that I think this is an inflection moment. Potentially,

(55:50):
it's scary. This kind of political violence is as I say,
it only begets more violence. And so for that reason,
I feel as though this is the point which we
need to gather ourselves and have some sanity prevail. And sadly,
from the top the President of the United States, Donald Trump,

(56:12):
which in itself is this outgrowth and perversion of American ideals.
He is stirring the pot, as I say, He's fanning
these flames. He's blaming the left, as he does in
every way he has for as long as he's been running.
He blames the media anything that's unfriendly to him. He

(56:33):
calls it fake news. He called the media repeatedly enemies
of the people. So you see the way in which
the other ring of people can and an ideology or
even just a political a simple political identity, can be
turned into violence. I think this is deeply concerning. You know,

(56:56):
chaplain Fred with a one hundred dollars super chat. Wow,
that is super generous. First of all, and let me
get to the chat, Hi, Mark, Kim, Albert and TONI
we are one step away from civil war. I think,
like Jesse Waters has been saying all along, as well
as other Trump minions. Let's not forget Kirk said he
was fine if a percentage was to be killed every

(57:19):
year in order to keep our rights to bear arms. Yeah,
that again was part of the tragic irony around Charlie
Kirk that somehow those who are lost to gun violence,
those sweet souls lost to gun violence, are worth it
in order for all of us to be able to

(57:42):
carry guns and have full gun rights. But I agree
with Chaplin Fred. I mean, I've just said it before
this even appeared on screen. This is an inflection moment.
Thank you again, Chaplin Ford really generous with the one
hundred dollars super chat, and I think your point is
an important one, an extremely important one. Weaponization of this
is something that's already being done by the top down,

(58:06):
and we all know from top down comes all the GOP.
Like ten soldiers walking in lockstep with their leader on
the Crystal Knock? Was Crystal Knock before or after the
Night of the Long Knives? Long A lot long, not
a long Knives before Crystal Knocked by a few years,

(58:28):
but uh, not a long Knives is the there were
political assassinations going on there in Germany. They say it's
wrong to speak bad of those gone from the world.
So how do we speak of such a person, says
the Lady of Beatrice. Well, I'll tell you let me
let me help you with that, because I think the
loss of Charlie Kirk, for his family, for his young

(58:49):
children is a tragedy. I mean, the loss of his
life is a tragedy. I'm not sureing Charlie Kirk being
assassinated or being show and killed, being murdered, it's just
not something to cheer about. As I say, even if
you accept this, he was a horrifyingly dangerous figure with

(59:10):
this toxic verbiage racist, misogynist. I mean, he was whipping
up a base to hate on the left, on the Democrats.
But all that said, his murder can only beget more violence.
So even if you don't want to say anything or
accept anything about Charlie Kirk, which I completely understand, I

(59:34):
mean you don't want to embrace them anyway, you still
have to understand how his larger than life figure is
represented by a bunch of people who are legitimately moved
by his murder and many of them feel like that's
the need to bear arms, the need to take up arms,

(59:58):
and I'd love to see that rhetorically join a conversation
about issues, but that's not what many of them are about.
So it's scary. It makes the political environment in America
and the political discourse much more dangerous for everybody. Trevor
Starr in Hollywood says, when a despicable person dies, it

(01:00:18):
can be hard to be sad. But what happened to
Charlie Kirk was horrific. In capital letters, the assassin should
be captured so he can rot in prison for the
rest of his long and miserable life. Yeah, and there,
Trevor Starr in Hollywood, thank you for the superchat, the
ten dollars super chat. And the truth is that Trevor's
right about this. I mean he's right to both acknowledge

(01:00:43):
the horrifying nature of the rhetoric that Charlie Kirk produced,
these extreme positions that Charlie Kirk maintained, the complete maganization
of Charlie Kirk. I mean, Charlie Kirk wasn't maga from
the start. He morphed into maga when he was taken
into the Trump camp, and then he became the best

(01:01:05):
ambassador for MAGA that they had. It's no wonder Trump
wants the flags that have staff. I'm sure he wants
full military honors. Who knows what I mean, There's been
a complete degrading of all of that in Washington. He'll
get the congressional rather the Presidential Medal of Freedom posthumously, etc.

(01:01:27):
But more than anything, this you can't whitewash who Charlie
Kirk was. As we said at the beginning of this show,
but this moment in time is a dangerous one and
not a good one, and no one should cheer the
murder of this guy. Trump is making life more dangerous

(01:01:48):
for all of us, says Gary Russell. That's true in
so many ways, and all I can say is that
I feel as though this audience sees it clearly. Beatrice
for the five dollars super Chat says. According to one
NPR article, he even showed his misogyny when he blamed
the shift of liberal views on being unmarried. Is that

(01:02:12):
Trump's tailor's shift? Sorry, yeah, yeah, oh, I see, yeah,
I mean there's this whole Look, this is a Christo
fascist thing that we talk about from time to time
on this show. The rise of a kind of conservatism
that has a religiosity associated with it, right, I mean,
it's it's obedience to your husband, it's obedience to the lord.

(01:02:36):
There's a lot of this. I'm telling you. It's the
religious obedience that is pledged and sort of understood and
constantly repeated. That obedience is half a click off from
obedience to mister president, obedience to Donald Trump, obedience to

(01:02:57):
an ideology.

Speaker 3 (01:03:01):
He was looking at the things.

Speaker 1 (01:03:04):
He said.

Speaker 3 (01:03:05):
He believed that women, really our point was to have
babies and be married, and that we had all been
lied to by society, and that's why we're confused and
single women are upset and angry at the world because
really we're all just missing our point in life, which
is to be little baby makers. Listen, I have babies.

(01:03:28):
That's great, but that's not for everyone.

Speaker 1 (01:03:32):
Well, I mean, he's basically saying, and you should have
you should stay with the babies, and you shouldn't be
doing the show with Mark Thompson or working at KCBS
radio or KGO radio, whatever the hell you want to work.
You shouldn't be working at all. You should your work
is with family, you know, you've drifted.

Speaker 3 (01:03:46):
I guess I'm awful.

Speaker 1 (01:03:48):
Questioning black pilot's qualifications in January of twenty twenty four,
he said that when he sees a black pilot, he'll think, boy,
I hope he's qualified, calling George Floyd to scumbag. During
the October twenty twenty one Exposing Critical Racism tour, he

(01:04:09):
criticized Martin Luther King, referred to him as awful, not
a good person, said the Civil Rights movement was a
quote huge mistake. He called King a quote very flawed one,
and complained about what he sees as a mythological, anti
racist creation. Opposing the concept of white privilege critical race theory,

(01:04:30):
of course, he said that white privilege is a myth.
He was a public critic of critical race theory on
college campuses, argued for pushing back against what he sees
as race based or identity based curricula. Of course, an
obvious opponent of DEI and those programs. Very tough on immigrants,

(01:04:56):
he claimed the Democratic immigration policies aimed to reduce the
white demographic share in America. He also used the great
replacement framing a controversial idea you know, associated with racism,
and also anti immigration. He's given speeches about what he
considers racist theories on America's college campuses, including rejecting many

(01:05:19):
mainstream narratives about systemic racisms, a racism, I should say.
Critics say he stokes outrage by doing that. Of course,
I mean, in all these ways and others, Charlie Kirk
was a toxic figure on the American political scene. He
was also an incredibly significant figure on the American political scene.

(01:05:41):
And his death and his murder is all bad. It's
all bad. Trump was alive during Robert Kennedy's assassination. Villma says,
thank you for the ten dollars super chat. She says,
Trump was alive during Robert Kennedy's assassination, JFK's assassination, an
mlka's assassination as a Democrat. Now Donald Trump is a Republican.

(01:06:03):
Now Donald Trump knows how to take political advantage. Yeah,
and finally, Louis says, with a five dollars super chat, gang,
get ready for Trump's marketing of this event. Kirk Trump bibles,
T shirts, maybe signed blood drenched strips of Kirk's death

(01:06:24):
shirt monetize everything. I mean, that's really grim and gross.
I don't see that happening.

Speaker 4 (01:06:31):
But I.

Speaker 1 (01:06:34):
Do see, as we've said, I do see a celebration
of Kirk's life that is fair in a personal sense
that I say, I really do mourn for his kids,
particularly and his wife. But you can pervert that mourning
into lionizing this man and ignoring so much of the

(01:06:59):
reality of the toxic nature of his rhetoric and the
hate field nature his rhetoric. But I'm going to say
this in relation to Charlie Kirk. He went on to
the college campuses. He welcomed debate, he wanted to be
in fact his event, and then I'll get to David Katz.
His event at which he was murdered had a component

(01:07:23):
where people stand up in the audience and they do
it back and forth. It's called prove me wrong. He
did it at a bunch of different college campuses and
a bunch of different rallies. And so that question about
firearms and about the trans movement, which was being asked
at the moment that he was responding and he was murdered,

(01:07:44):
that was part of the prove me wrong back and forth.
So I'll give him this. He welcomed opposing opinions. He
was a powerful political figure, as I say, I think
more powerful for the way in which he marshaled and
ramped up support for MAGA philosophies. And Donald Trump more

(01:08:05):
powerful than Joe Rogan, just to put it in a
context that you perhaps are aware of because of Rogan's notoriety.
But all right, I've got David Katz coming up. Smashed
the like button. Thats you would Charlie Kim you had something.

Speaker 3 (01:08:21):
Before we get to David Katz, I just quick mentioned
there's a one hundred thousand dollars reward for information leading
to the arrest of the killer in the Charlie Kirk case.
And I thought that was interesting how much energy and
money is being devoted to that. But we're not hearing
much about another shooting that happened yesterday in Colorado, the

(01:08:43):
school shooting where two high school students were shot or
two people at the campus in Colorado Evergreen High School
or shot. The shooter died, the kids are in the hospital,
reportedly in critical condition.

Speaker 1 (01:09:01):
It's in addition, you're died of self inflicted gun.

Speaker 3 (01:09:06):
Indicative of how much importance we're placing on someone like
Charlie Kirk. But we're not caring about the kids of America.

Speaker 1 (01:09:14):
Right, we've become anure to this stuff going on in college, well,
in college campuses, and in elementary schools and high schools.
We've become completely accustomed to it. It's horrible, but it's
part of the proliferation of guns that Kirk was such
a tremendous advocate for. He wanted absolutely no controls on

(01:09:35):
gun ownership and pretty well got it in America.

Speaker 3 (01:09:39):
The other mention is you talked about all the racism
that Kirk spewed over time, and today we have potential
threats that are triggering lockdowns at the HBCUs across the
South because threats, bomb threats are coming into these historically
black colleges and universities on the heels of that Kirk shooting.
So it's just a snap shot of what's happening in America.

Speaker 1 (01:10:01):
And I guess I'll just mention this that in the
nation's capital there's alert to Senate staff. The Capitol police
said they were responding to an incident at the DNC,
the Democratic Headquarters staff being asked to remain clear of
police activity. The bomb threat that was issued found not

(01:10:22):
to be credible, But that again is just part of
the disruption. That is again i'd say, quite relevant to
what we saw yesterday with the murder of Charlie Kirk.
How did I get here? Said he? Frequently Kirk did
interrupted those who questioned him, though he never let people

(01:10:43):
get their point across. You know, how do I get here?
Is not wrong? If you watch the again I was
going to and then I'll get to David Katz, I promise,
But just in the last thirty seconds. If you watch
Kirk's back and forth during those proved me wrong sessions
that he was doing at these college campuses in a
different rallies, it was an extremely aggressive style, you know,

(01:11:06):
And so you could say that, you know, Mark, you
can tell me about how he you know, welcomed to
back and forth, but it was really all fourth and
no back. So perhaps a fair point. Anyway, all right,
smash the like button and we continue. Mark Thompson's shirt.

Speaker 2 (01:11:23):
Yes.

Speaker 1 (01:11:24):
Oh, by the way, this is the Born to Peacefully
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I think we have a few of them at get
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(01:11:46):
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which was relevant to that and also to another love

(01:12:07):
that we have on the show, and I'll share that
with you tomorrow. And right now we'll get on to
one of my favorite conversations every month. So Mark Thomson,
it is a great pleasure that we welcome in one
of the great legal analysts across the English speaking world.
You can hear him on London Radio and hear him

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on Well Radio, and see him on television across America,
New Zealand, Australia, and he regularly is a pundit on
News Nation and Fox News Channel. How about the formal
special prosecutor now a defense attorney, the great David Kats
You Mark, Hello, sir David. Much going on in America

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these days will leave aside for a moment kind of
the the roiling violence that I think accompanies a lot
of the shadow of of the murder of a political
activist in Charlie Kirk. And I want to turn to
the law a bit and a coming agenda that has
been expressly picked up by the Supreme Court, and I

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guess they're going to fast track it. And that's related
to the Trump tariffs, which are having a dramatic effect
that we're only beginning to see on the American economy.
Can you give us a state of the state on scotus.

Speaker 4 (01:13:26):
Sure? Well. I predicted on News Nation and on your show,
Mark that the appellet ruling striking down Trump's terrace will
be upheld by the US Supreme Court. I know that
I'm putting my neck on the line, sticking my neck
out a little bit, given what you call the concierge
Trump Supreme Court. But it just seems to me that

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this is so just it just not fettered to anything.
There is not an emergency. Trump's argument was that there
was an emergency in two ways, and therefore he could
use this emergency power that gave him the right to
set tariffs in an emergency. Everyone agrees that it's the
right of Congress to set tariffs, to debate them, and

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then with the president's approval, like any other bill, approve
the tariffs country by country, product by product. The reason
that he has this extraordinary power is supposedly in extraordinary times,
and the extraordinary emergence circumstances were non emergencies. One that
we have a lot of drugs brought into the country. Ironically,

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we've actually had less, according statistics, less fentanyl and less
drugs actually brought into the country within the last year.
It's still a very dangerous, unacceptable amount, but it's gone
on for decades. It's not an emergency, as I say,
it's actually even going down at this time. And the
other one is that we have a trade imbalance, and
of course we've had a trade imbalance for a very

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long time, again for decades. So I think that this
Supreme Court will see through this. I think since they
wouldn't stop the collect of the taxes, either the Appellate
Court or the US Supreme Court in their emergency docket,
they wouldn't stop the collection of the tariffs. I think
it made sense that the Supreme Court expedited the case
because they need to stop this collection of tariffs pretty quickly,

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because it is going to be an administrative nightmare to
return all that money. Having said that, you can't create
a nightmare by your incompetence and you know, aggregation of
power that you don't have, and say, oh, well, now
that I've arrogated power, now that I've made a huge mess. Oh, court,
look at this terrible situation I've gotten myself into. As

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courts often say to you, as authorities often say to you,
you know, your lack of caution isn't my emergency, your
lack of preparation, and the mess you've made isn't my
emergency or my problem. So I really think that this
one I think he has about you know, there's the
two votes you know of you know, Thomas and Alito. Unfortunately,
because I think Alito has a fine mind, I don't

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think that of Thomas. But I think the two of
them are just calling it in. You can guess how
they're gonna roll on every right or not, their idea
that they're going to do whatever Trump wants to do.
Somehow they just see that their position, which is actually
so incredibly important on the US Supreme Court, is just
a rubber stamp and they're just phoning it in. But
I think the other seven. I think all seven may
say that these tariffs are too far, and then you know,

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Congress will get together. They'll you know, they'll negotiate with
these countries, you know, through the Trade Representative. But when
it all ends up in Congress, I think will set
these tariffs. I think it'll be better for the economy.
And I just don't think the Supreme Court mark will
allow that power because if they allow that power, and
I don't think there's any way to circumscribe it, every
president will have an emergency. You will never find any

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president who doesn't have an emergency who can't set tariffs.
And then, you know, you see the way it's being
used right now, no reason to think it wouldn't be
used in the future. Trump isn't the only corrupt person
who's ever going to come into the White House. So
basically you control foreign policy because you can just hobble
the economy of just about any country in the world,
and you can also shake them down, and that's not

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what it's all about. And you can say, well, you know,
Congress could shake them down too, But think about you
have to get so many people to concur The problem
with dictatorships, the problem with authoritarianism. You only have to
really convince one person, and one person's a lot more
likely to take a bribe, as we're seeing right now
than an entire congress. Yes, their lobbyist. There's all kinds
of things like that, Mark. So I think this one's

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going in a good direction, and they're hearing it in November,
and I think they're going to decide probably in December,
and they'll stop the tariffs between now and the end
of the year. They'll stop the tariffs from being collected
in some economic sense, and rule of law will return
to this area.

Speaker 1 (01:17:42):
Well. As noted before. You'll then have to establish credits
or some way to return tariff money that was collected illegally.

Speaker 4 (01:17:49):
People are keeping very careful books. There's billions of dollars involved,
and they know exactly what they're owed had that tariff's
not been imposed. Yes, you're going to have to do
it through credits. Things like that, Mark, and a lot
of small businesses are gone already or will be gone
by December when the Supreme Court, I think issues the decision.
I think in November, when you hear the oral argument.

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It'll be quite clear what.

Speaker 1 (01:18:13):
Yeah, you said, if they in the well, it's interesting
you'd said that if they stop tariff collection, you'll know
that they're likely leaning against.

Speaker 4 (01:18:24):
They can issue that stay at any point. The briefs
are due in less than a week. They may take
a look at the briefs and just think that the
arguments by Trump are so hollow. I mean, they just
really are hollow.

Speaker 1 (01:18:35):
Yeah, they're hollow, David. But I'll take you to another
hollow argument in a second. I just say that, you know,
when they begin to indicate as you sort of suggested
by issuing a stay, meaning stopping the tariff collection, the
kind of heat they're going to take from magnation led
by Trump is going to be immense. I don't know

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that they want to take that on.

Speaker 4 (01:18:58):
Well, first of all, the US Supreme Court will take
on the heat. I have a very different view of
the US Supreme Court than I think a lot of
the commentators that I hear. And I guess it's, you know,
thirty five years as an attorney, you know, having seen
this Supreme Court in action. When I was a young lawyer,
actually sat in the US Supreme Court, you know, courtroom

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and followed their decisions, you know, avidly all of these years.
I think that they are pretty much governed by the
rule of law. I do think this is one of
the worst Supreme courts that we've seen in decades. I
think it's such a pity that RBG didn't step aside.
It's just such an anomaly that we ended up with
a six to three court and not a five to

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four court where you know, first Kennedy was the deciding vote.
Whatever Kennedy voted was the way they went, and then
whatever way Roberts went when you're still at RBG was
the way. And now with the six to three yes,
there have been things like presidential immunity. There have been
things like Dobbs where you know, they really didn't have
Chief Justice Roberts votes on Dobbs. Dobbs was going allow

(01:20:00):
like sixteen weeks. You know, what's sixteen weeks, what's eighteen weeks?
Let Mississippi sixteen weeks be imposed. He was not going
to overrule Roe v. Wade. That was the vote that
was having RBG gone and having Amy Coney Barrett. No
one should forget she is the author. That whole sequence
of events is why Voe v. Wade was overturned and

(01:20:22):
we have dobs. It was not Chief Justice Roberts, it
was Amy. I what did I say. I never knew
till now with you Barzani, remember the Godfather. I never
knew till now. It was Barzari all along. It was
Amy Coney Barrett Female Justice all along who destroyed bo
v Wade and gave us dobs.

Speaker 1 (01:20:41):
You talk about it adherence to the law, and I
see just the opposite. I think the court that you
said in on and we're so excited to be part
of the justice system that was certainly informed by certain
political philosophies, but also an adherence to the law, a
loyalty to the law, to the word. That court doesn't
exist anymore, our devid Katz, I suggest to you, and
again I'm an outsider, That's why we're talking to you.

(01:21:03):
You're you're a real guy. You you were you know,
you work for the federal government, you were a prosecutor,
et cetera, on the part of the federal government. You've
worked in Republican administrations, et cetera. So please, I humbly
would suggest to you that this crew has an allegiance
to a political philosophy more than they have a legal philosophy.

Speaker 4 (01:21:22):
Well, like you take the tariff decision, you think, okay,
what's the world going to be like if they will,
let's say five to four or six three to uphold
Trump's tariffs, and what's the limit to it. He's not
going to be in office forever, and then whoever this
successor is the Supreme Court will think this through that
after three years of letting Trump have his way, for

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people who think, well, all they want to do up
there those Republicans is let Trump have his way. All
the Republicans on the super I just don't think they
want to let Trump have his way and then have
one hundred years of terrible history.

Speaker 1 (01:21:55):
To David, they gave him politically, they gave him immunity,
They gave him totally immunity.

Speaker 4 (01:22:00):
Mark, we'll have one hundred years that was. That was
That was the worst of them. And of course there
were Citizens United, which was Chief Justice Roberts. It was
that was you, Chief Justice Roberts. Citizens United?

Speaker 1 (01:22:12):
Was you allowing corporate money in as speech to UH
American elections? But David, let me just get them to
the next thing, and you can tell me about how
they're going to I'm sorry, but they ruled it as
a shadow docket ruling, wasn't it on the detaining of
all of these immigrants by and I use it in
quotes immigrants. I mean again, they're detaining people, and they

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established after the fact, after they detained them, whether or
not they're immigrants, whether they're not, they're here legally. These
are crazy dragnets that are established, and they're just throwing
these people into vans. And Scotus is saying the Supreme
Court of the United States backing up this strategy, saying
it's okay to grab people out of a home depot
parking lot, grab them if they're speaking Spanish. So you

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can tell me about how they're informed by some sort
of loyalty to the law. But this appeal appears to
me from the outside looking in again, as though this
is a fealty to a political philosophy and to Donald Trump.

Speaker 4 (01:23:11):
Well, first of all, I'm taking a katsa damas on
the tariff's decision. I feel that struggling. You can play
this back to me in November or December when they
uphold this supposed emergency and allow emergency tariffs to be
set like this by every president for the end of
time until somebody overrules their precedent. So I'm taking you

(01:23:32):
to review.

Speaker 1 (01:23:33):
Katsa Damus is saying the tariffs will be overruled, they'll
be deemed illegal, and the tariffs will be turned back.
That's an official Katsa Damus prediction. Now, so now take
me to the immigration ruling, which was a shadow docket ruling.

Speaker 4 (01:23:49):
I don't know if people saw a Justice Soto Mayor
on the Colbert Show. If they did, it was really
fascinating because he wanted to have a very different kind
of conversation with her. His timing was great. It was
the night after this decision came out. And I strongly
disagree with this decision. I think this allows roving patrols.

(01:24:11):
It allows them to stop people on the basis of
their ethnicity. That's an awful thing in America. They said, well,
if you're actually a citizen or you're here legally, it's
no big intrusion. That's easy for Kavanaugh to say, Kavanaugh's
not having any intrusions like that. But we've seen what
kind of intrusion Ice has with these people that they

(01:24:32):
supposedly briefly detain. They throw them to the ground, they
handcuffed them, they hurt them, they humiliate them in all
kinds of ways. They keep them for longer periods of
time than Kavanaugh seems to think in his concurring opinion.
There's no real evidentiary basis, as I understand it for
what the majority is saying in this emergency docket. But

(01:24:56):
I want to make my attempt to do what Soto
Mayor tried to. I don't think it worked very well
on the Colbert Show, and I just talked about the
shadow docket for one minute. It's a great expression to
make it look nefarious, and they are using it much
much more mark And there are reasons why it has
looked kind of nefarious, but the idea of the.

Speaker 1 (01:25:16):
Is one of them. That it is nefarious. One of
those reasons.

Speaker 4 (01:25:20):
I don't think that it had. I don't think it
has to be nefarious. As I recall, there was a
judge in Amarillo, Texas, when Biden was still present, who
knocked out this mephistoprone, the medical abortion pill nationwide. He
purported to issue a nationwide injunction, and I think the
Fifth Circuit down there in the South was actually going

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to affirm that, and the US Supreme Court, in a
shadow docket said no, no, no, And they didn't sign it,
they didn't name names. They just stopped that injunction from
going into effect, which allowed women all over the country
to continue to get the medical abortion pill. So that's
why I say the shadow docket doesn't have to be nefaris.
But of course it's been greatly overused with Trump and

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it is frustrating, as Sodo Mayor pointed out, not to
have a stated reason. Let me just tell you the
other side of it.

Speaker 1 (01:26:09):
Very well, Hang on a second, just make that clear.
When there's a shadow dock of judgment, there need be
no argument offered, no explanation. It's just a judgment offered.

Speaker 4 (01:26:18):
Right, But they get them a fista prone ruling by
some district judge, even though it's affirmed by the circuit court. Okay,
and it goes to the Supreme Court. The supremebourd almost
always says no, this is some injunction somewhere. But look
how egregious this one was. Look how anomalous this one was.
You were going to tell women not just in all
the red states, but all the blue states that they

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couldn't have this drug. You were going to stop the
FDA approvals. And you could see just from the petition
that was being filed by the doctors and the women
who wanted to get mephisto prone, that this ruling, besides
being too broad, too nationwide, not proper under the law,
the FDI had not batched this up. The US Supreme

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Court could see you see mark, just from the briefs
that were being filed. Then they asked for a speedy opposition.
They read the speedy opposition brief that comes in from
the other side, which I guess was whatever, you know,
a religious group had tried to knock out mephisto prone
for women all over the country. And having read those briefs,

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the US Supreme Court said, look, we don't want to
have a huge decision over this. We don't even need
to have an oral argument over this. But from reading
the briefs, they did what I thought was the right
thing in a shadow docket. That's an example of where
a shadow docket, emergency ruling, not signed by anybody, not
with an oral argument, not with a big HOOPI do
over it stop something really bad from happening. They stop

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something from going into effect. Now I don't feel the
same way about the one with the roving patrols and
the stopping people on their ethnic basis. Now, what they
would say, mark the people who are for that ruling,
They would say, it wasn't just ethnicity being brown, you know,
working well brown. It wasn't just speaking Spanish. And they

(01:28:03):
have statistics on how many families in America actually speak Spanish.
People would be surprised how many there are, not just
in California but in other states too, and also working
these low wage jobs, which if you give the devil
all that they're due, if you want to give the
six all that they're doe. Apparently they don't go to
hospitals and places like that, where a lot of people
actually who are illegally in the country or who are

(01:28:26):
here under various you know, various programs where they might
find them. They do go to places like the office depot.
They go to places like construction sites. And the argument is,
you know, by Trump that and the ice and home
and all those people. I disagree with that. Everything philosophically

(01:28:47):
and politically is that when you add all those three
things together, they being brown, they admit that being brown,
and they keep saying, well, being brown alone is not enough,
but they well, being brown, speaking Spanish and working at
one of these low wage places is for the purpose
of not allowing the stay to remain in effect, because

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that's what they did. They say they didn't rule on
the merits mark. They said they just took the stay off.
Of course, that has a huge impact because of what
it means is that Ice, which was chilled. Ice was
not doing these roving patrols. They were not harassing and
thawing to the ground and detaining all of those people
because they knew they were going to get hit with
contempt by that District court judge. Now they're not worried

(01:29:30):
about contempt. Now what they were doing before they're able
to do again because the stay is not in effect.
But the US Supreme Court.

Speaker 1 (01:29:37):
Stay again is the stoppage of these judge orders stop
going into effects. Right, So that was that was the
order against Ice in LA that was the right and
this was over that has lifted that stay go ahead.

Speaker 4 (01:29:49):
And then you get into this whole thing about being presidential,
which I think they took a crack at Colbert and
Soda Mayora and it's just like he was trying to
be funny, and you know, from so of mars point
of view, look at it. From her point of view,
she wants to try to get two more votes on
a lot of cases. She doesn't want to sit up
there and be polemic. She doesn't want to blast Amy

(01:30:10):
Coney Barrett or Chief Justice Robert. She's thinking, and she's
very smart. She's thinking, I'm gonna want their two votes.
I'm gonna want to get to five on a lot
of questions. I'm not gonna sit here on Colbert's show
and get some cheap, cheap laughs and alienate them. So
that's why, as you knows, for what Colbert was trying
to do is kind of a dud. I think if
she on your show would be kind of a dud,

(01:30:31):
because you know, you're doing a very intelligent but also
entertaining show, and it really sort of wasn't all that entertaining.
But but that was the point.

Speaker 1 (01:30:41):
I get where she's coming from. I didn't see the
Colbert things.

Speaker 4 (01:30:43):
So she was she was, she was, you know, her
descent was was fiery, uh, and then her conversation about
it wasn't fiery because she knows that Chief Justice Roberts
and maybe Coney Barrett are watching that, uh, and she
doesn't want to want doesn't want to alienate them, and
and with good reason. So I guess I guess my

(01:31:04):
final thoughts on that ruling was that they are indeed precedential.
People say, well, they're not really precedents. The reason that
these judges up in New England got blasted by Gorsich
the other day that they're not following precedent is if
you were the judge, let's say, right now, in San
Francisco or in Washington State and Ice came and did

(01:31:26):
these same roving patrols on this same basis, you couldn't
say that this shadow dock at ruling right six to
three was not President Mark. It is precedent. It's certainly
because they're making a prediction on the merits. They're not
deciding the merits, but they're making a prediction that that
is legal is legal conduct. So given that that is legal,

(01:31:47):
you can't read that decision. As much as I disagree
with it, If I were a district judge sitting in
Seattle or in San Francisco and they were doing the
same thing in my district, I think I would have
to go not the way that Judge Frimpong went down here.
But I would go the other way on those three things.
So it is a precedent. So in that sense, it's

(01:32:08):
troubling that you have this shadow docket, but on this
particular one, this one's going the same way. I'll make
a casidamus on this one too. The merits of this
thing is going the same way as the stay. The
US Supreme Court as currently constituted, will vote six to
three that they can do these moving patrols, and they
can base it on you're being brown, conversation occurring in Spanish,

(01:32:30):
and you're being at a low wage job place.

Speaker 1 (01:32:32):
In other words, they're going to underscore what they did
in the shadow docket. They're going to say, hey, it's okay,
Ice here, Okay with the plan you have, right, that's
what you're saying, Okay, Fortunately, Yes, yeah, I wanted to
just you know, there's some heartbreaking stories, and one of them,
I mean I say one of them, one group of
them comes from these people who are in a temporary
protected status. I was reading the story of this guy

(01:32:55):
out of He's a Stanford nurse. He's been here since
he was three years old. Cats and now the administration
just announcing that the temporary status for Honduras and Nicaragua
has been you know, these protections are going to expire.
They really have expired. I think September seventh was the
expiration date. And there are you know, we're talking about

(01:33:17):
fifty two thousand Hondurans and seven thousand Nepalis and a
thousand Nicaraguans and this is a real problem for them.
I mean, they're protected status being lifted. And again this
you know, this guy, he came here when he was
three years old and now he's a nurse, a cardiac
nurse at Stanford. He may be deported, in fact, will

(01:33:39):
be deported. So this is a case that is you know,
being handled in the Bay Area. The is a Trina Thompson.
The judge in San Francisco's District Court has the next
hearing set for November, and this temporary protected status may
or may not be re established. They note here if
the court sides with the Trump administration, it is possible

(01:34:02):
for the National Temporary Protective Status Alliance to appeal to
the Supreme Court. So that's just a snapshot of what
you're dealing with. And I just wondered if you can
speak to. You know, again, within this overall immigration question,
there are a number of these different immigrants from different
countries that have different status. This is one, this TPS

(01:34:22):
temporary protective status that will be very much affected by
a court decision in San Francisco and then ultimately possibly
the Supreme Court.

Speaker 4 (01:34:29):
Well, these cases are heartbreaking. The individual circumstances are just
very touching. And you know, we were going to try
to solve this problem with the dreamers. This fellow who
came here when he was three is a classic dreamer.
And just to toot my own horn for one minute,
I actually represented the first dreamer. The La Times on

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the front page talked about Tony's American Dream, and my
client was Tony Alvarado, and they started to use that expression,
the dreamers, the American dream. And Ali Yorkas was the
US attorney at that time. He went on to be
the head of DHS, and he gave my client his office,
but him too, because he held a bunch of media

(01:35:11):
events about it. He gave him a miss.

Speaker 1 (01:35:13):
What a great righteous legal battle.

Speaker 4 (01:35:15):
Good for you, Yeah, And he gave him a misdemeanor
and he never got deported from the United States. He'd
been deported once and he came back because he was
a classic dreamer. He didn't know much Spanish, he never
lived since he was six months or a year old there,
and they wanted him to be an informant, and he
was not interested in being an informant. He worked with

(01:35:35):
the gangs, but in a good way to help them
rehabilitate themselves, and he would have lost all credibility agreeing
to be an informant. So the Feds kept telling him,
you know, you're a very slow learner. And when he
kept not agreeing to be an informant, first they sent
him down to Mexico and then his his wife and
his kids were here, so he came back and then
they told him they found him at the job like
a year later. They said, you're really, really a slow learner.

(01:35:58):
So at that point they prosecuted him for being an
illegal alien found in the United States. So Tony was
the first Dreamer, and they were going to do something
for the Dreamers, but the Dreamers were so popular that
the Democrats thought they could tie the Dreamers to a
comprehensive immigration package, and then the Republicans just wouldn't bite.
Year after year, they wouldn't bite, And so here we are.

(01:36:19):
We've never really solved the dhaka, the dreamers problem, and
so you have some of these dreamers who now after
being here thirty five years and not knowing Spanish and
not knowing anything about the countries that they would be
deported to, facing deportations. The other thing we've done for generations, Mark,
and I think this still is a thing, is your
congress member brings a private immigration bill to keep you

(01:36:41):
personally in the United States. And there used to be
dozens and dozens of those bills. And the fellow at Stanford,
you know, we need him as a cardiac nurse. We
need him not deported from the United States. And I
have to believe that some congress member will carry his
and many of these other cases. But it's a tragedy.
And there's two other countries too, to America. It's not
just the Hondurans, it's also the Salvadordenos, the people from

(01:37:04):
El Salvador, and there's an other ones, yes, And then
Nicaraguan's down there and there are tens and tens of
thousands of people and they're all facing d day either
now or very soon. And it's just an absolute. It's
an absolute tragedy. Mark. The thing is that the people
come here, likely people came from Nicaragua after a hurricane

(01:37:24):
down there. And then the idea is that it's a
humanitarian thing and once the hurricane damage is over and
so forth, people can go back. And you know, in
human nature and political events, when is the right moment
to ever say now this, you know, cohort of thousands
of people has to go back to their country. So
the can gets kicked down the road. And I'm for it,
you know, I'm for it, but some people are against it.

(01:37:46):
You know, these people came here temporarily, we did them
a big favor, and now they ought to go back
where they came from. That's the other side of the argument.
And nobody really was willing to stop kicking the can
down the road until Trump came along and said, no,
they're all going back Haiti, these Central American countries, these
other people, they're all going back, and there's not really

(01:38:06):
anyone on the MAGA side to fight for them, and
their own countries don't have a lot of you know,
this guy down in El Salvador, he wants to be
the world's coolest dictator. Why doesn't he do something like
help his own people stay in America? Right? That doesn't seem.

Speaker 1 (01:38:20):
He's more concerned with extracting money from Trump and a
Trump alliance.

Speaker 4 (01:38:25):
Than his agenda fight Mark. His agenda is not helping
his own people. But what a thing that would help
his own people, to help the Salvadorian people who are
well established here stay here. I'll say one last thing.
Some of those people just fell between the cracks. You know,
people are going to probably wonder, well, how can you
be here for twenty twenty five years? But you know,
they didn't happen to happen to marry an American at

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a time when that would help you get papers they had,
you know, the ones that I read about. It's like
the daughter got the parents' legal status, but now this
is the brother of the daughter who got her parents'
legal status, but the daughter couldn't get the brother legal status.
You can get your parents' legal status, maybe the parents
can get the child legal status. Allow of them seem

(01:39:07):
to be relatives in these intact families that are living
here in America, that are established here in America. But
the one person is the one kind of left out.
And meanwhile they have these wonderful jobs and are being
very productive in our society.

Speaker 1 (01:39:21):
Yeah, they're intact productive families. And Luisa's your professor, Katz.
I'm a fellow, proud calalum Us born, but speak Spanish
with my family. If I get tossed to the ground
by ice while at home depot, can I sue? Yes?

Speaker 4 (01:39:36):
And in fact, Kavanaugh went out of his way to say,
if you're treated roughly or abused by the ice officers,
you have all the right in the world to bring
your civil rights case. But you know they're in masks,
they don't show the number that they have, and they're
gonna come back and say, you know that there's no
grounds for your suit. They're gonna fight you tooth and
nail in court. If you think the government's going to

(01:39:57):
help you win in the most egregious civil rights violation,
especially this regime that's in there now, they're gonna fight
you tooth and nail. So you know, have a video,
try to get something. If this happens to anybody, you know,
try to see the number, like you know, a number
that might identify, because you know it just looks like
another masked, masked thug who's beating you up. You know

(01:40:18):
who's throwing you to the ground.

Speaker 1 (01:40:20):
You know.

Speaker 4 (01:40:21):
The irony is they had this case in the US
Attorney's office where this bystander is wanting to videotape the
events with I think it was a sheriff or police
officer out out in Victorville, out in somewhere like that.
That's all she's doing. She's videotaping the event go down.
The cop takes huge offense. God forbid, she should be

(01:40:41):
exercising her constitutional right to videotape an officer of the law,
and the performance of his duty flows her to the ground,
handcuffs her, beats her up. She gets found guilty. During
the Biden administration of a of a fella. He gets
convicted of a felony civil rights violation against her, beating her,
throwing her to the ground, hurting her. It's in front

(01:41:04):
of a Republican appointed judge. The judge says, there's no
misconduct in there's no impropriety in the case. There's no
reason to throw this verdict out. The new US attorney
this is a sal Yi, the one who was temporary.
Now he's acting. There's a whole issue about him right
now with a Hawaii judge who is taking a look
at whether he should be recused from every case in

(01:41:27):
my old office, the US Attorney's office here. Asali decides
that he wants to give this cop a break, even
though he's been found guilty of a felony. He sends
one of his assistant US attorneys, a fellow named Rob Keenan.
This Rob Keenan follows a brief saying that this should
be reduced to a misdemeanor. It's reduced to a misdemeanor.
The judge doesn't really want to do that, but it

(01:41:48):
gets reduced to a misdemeanor. He's given a stay of
surrender for when he has to surrender to start serving
the small amount of time that the judge gave him.
Now that it's been reduced to a misdemeanor, and before
the day that he actually has to go In this
new US Attorney's office is Bill Asali and his assistant
Bob Keenan. They dismissed the case entirely.

Speaker 1 (01:42:08):
Wow, what a miscarriage of justice. That is just crazy.

Speaker 4 (01:42:13):
That's been on the front page of the La Times.
That's not something that I'm portraying as a big story.
It's a big, big story down here on the front
page of the LA Times all the time. But you
know the problem that these is the same thing as
the Adams case when they dismissed the case against Mayor
Adams entirely with prejudice. Judges don't prosecute cases if prosecutors
don't want to prosecute. That can be a political decision.

(01:42:34):
If you don't like it, vote for the other party
in the next election. If you don't like what Trump's
done with these US attorney's office as Sally out here
in Central District of California. This Alina Haaba in New Jersey.
What's your name? In Washington, d C? Come on, what's her? Dave?
The you know the Fox TV? Nojen Carol, Jeanine Pierre.

(01:43:00):
If you don't like a president going around appointing US
attorneys like that, putting them in office, even though they
in all three cases, it looks like the Senate won't
confirm any of them. If you don't like that, vote
democratic next election.

Speaker 1 (01:43:13):
Yeah, I mean you could put that into the group
of appointees that did get centent confirmation. That astound me.
You can start wherever you want. Cash Patel RFK Junior
Pete Hegseth. This is a rogues gallery of incompetence and
of political fealty that is toxic to this nation, and

(01:43:36):
we're seeing it play out that way.

Speaker 4 (01:43:38):
Question Mark, can I interrupt for one second. There's a
lawsuit actually against cash Patel. Cash Pattel allegedly not only
fired this top FBI official, but given that he was
going to fire him and realizing that he was probably
going to get sued, supposed they told a whole lot
of stupid things, self incrivitating things Cash Pattel did that

(01:44:00):
are now being used against him. They're being quoted against
cash Ptel explaining why he was firing this guy, and
he was not firing according to Cashpertel's own words, according
to Hoyle or buy the book, but totally politically at Wrogley.

Speaker 1 (01:44:14):
Yeah, they said it was mandated by the White House,
that the White House wanted these people fired.

Speaker 4 (01:44:19):
You're a career FBI employee with civil service protections to
have the head of the FBI come to you and
say you're doing a great job, but the president once
you fired, so you're fired.

Speaker 1 (01:44:31):
That's exactly what happened.

Speaker 4 (01:44:32):
Saying it out loud it's saying all the misconduct, all
the impropriety, it's saying them right out loud, supposedly Cashpateel did.

Speaker 1 (01:44:40):
The suit is saying that Patel explained he had to
fire the people his supervisors told him to fire his
superiors because his ability to keep his own job dependent
on the removal of these agents who worked on cases
involving the president. Patel explained that there was nothing he
or anyone else could do to stop or any other

(01:45:01):
firing because the FBI tried to put the president in jail.
And he hasn't forgotten it, meaning you know, the FBI
at the time, the Biden FBI, he went up after
everybody did Trump and the White House who had fingerprints
anywhere near anything that had to do with Trump, and
he said, this is Patel saying it that the firings
were retaliatory. This is all in the lawsuit saying that

(01:45:24):
all FBI employees who identified who had worked on the
cases against President Trump would be removed from their jobs,
regardless of their retirement eligibility status. I mean, there's real
money involved here. This is what Trump did to Vinman
after Vinman testified in the case against Trump for impeachment removal.

(01:45:45):
He fired Vinman, and they fired him specifically to avoid
paying any kind of retirement benefits both Vinman, I think,
and his brother as well.

Speaker 4 (01:45:55):
So since j Edgar Hoover, there's never been a Democrat
FBI director. Never. It's sort of remarkable, like somehow or other,
the Republicans always had that job, and you know, with
some exceptions, they performed it very admirably. And I worked
with a lot of FBI agents who I sort of
just assumed, especially back in those days, you know, the

(01:46:17):
Reagan administration, very beginning of Bush, I assume that almost
all of them were Republicans, but it never showed in
their work mark. It just never showed in their work.
That's what people have to get through their heads, this
idea that there's you know, some sort of political cabal
trying to make sure that only Democrats or Republicans get punished.
It's just, you know, there are some FB agents who

(01:46:39):
weren't good. There were someones who were like in the
wrong assignment. They were doing white collar and you know,
unless you walked into a bank with a gun and
had a videotape, they were not really up to the
job of a big white collar bank investigation. But that
happens in everything. But there wasn't a political agenda, like
they were not vigorously pursuing the bank because it was

(01:46:59):
owned by a Republican That that just didn't happen. And
these FBI agents, the ones who worked on Trump's case,
they tried to get Trump. This was an assignment. Some
of them probably found it interesting, non interesting. Probably some
of them thought, wow, you know, this will be an
interesting thing to tell my kids and and but it
just wasn't like I hate Trump. I want to get them.
That's why I'm working on the mar A Lago investigation.

(01:47:22):
And one last thing about mar A Lago. They were
actually trying to clear Trump. They were trying to give
Trump many exit ramps. Trump missed the exit ramps. He
could have just said, oh, I found all this stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:47:33):
You're talking about the Yeah, he could have.

Speaker 4 (01:47:36):
Given him back and that would have been the end
of it. He compounded it. He made the crime worse
and worse and elevated to a very serious crime by
bullshitting the mark and having his lawyer, according to a
judge's finding, showed like a selective shell game, like say, hey,
here's this room and this is all I have. Now
you can tell the government this is all I have.

(01:47:57):
And the lawyer goes in there innocently and says, I
examine in this room and that's all they have. And
there are none of these national secret documents because the
allegations are Trump had moved them and put on this charade,
put on this show for the lawyer, and you.

Speaker 1 (01:48:11):
Know, all those more than allegations, they demonstrated it. I mean,
I understand, remember, but.

Speaker 10 (01:48:16):
They were going to flood them in the pool. They
were going to flood some the doctors. And then they
find them after he says, and his lawyer says, nothing
to find there. They go in there on a search
wart and they find them with their red and gold
seals that they were top secret. I mean, anybody who
remembers that case, uh will remember that he was dead
to rights on it. And then it went to his
lawyer that his lawyer has judged down there, Eileen Cannon,

(01:48:38):
and the case got delayed and delayed and uh, and
then of course.

Speaker 4 (01:48:43):
You know, he got elected again.

Speaker 1 (01:48:45):
So I wanted to I'm really out of time, but
I really wanted you away in quickly on this new
guidance from the Department of Education about prayer in public schools.
President Trump making the speech at the Bible Museum this week,
he said, I'm pleased to announce this morning that the
Apartment of Education will soon issue new guidance protecting the
right to pray or in our public schools, and it's
total protection. He didn't give any further details. It's kind

(01:49:09):
of a broad stroke thing. But you know, they talk
a lot about religious liberty. I mean, I think it's
really organized around a simple religious doctrine. That is to say,
one religious doctrine is basically a Christian doctrine. But this
Department of the Justice Department's Religious Liberty Commission is something
that again would seem to fly in the face of

(01:49:31):
that which is underpinning so much of American law, which
is the separation of church and state. Meaning if it's
a public school, it's not a school which is usually
integrated with any kind of religious doctrine.

Speaker 4 (01:49:46):
Well, Trump is going nowhere on this, not even with
his concierge Supreme Court, not even with the three justices
that he picked of the nine. He's not going anywhere
with this. This is like black letter law. This is
on the bar exam if you didn't answer questions about
this right, you would have had tota becoming a lawyer,
because none of this is you know, separation of church

(01:50:07):
and state. You can't have the Ten Commandments sitting in
public classrooms all over. There's no historical tradition of having
the Ten Commandments in a classroom. I was in a classroom.
You were in a classroom years after me, of course, Mark,
when I was there and when you were there, there
was no Ten Commandments in.

Speaker 1 (01:50:24):
The class But but David, let me just put this
spin on it, because this is the spin that the
government's going to put on it, which is, we're not
saying put the Ten Commandments there. We're saying, let these
people pray in any kind of organized the way they
want to. Otherwise that's a religious it's a persecution against
their religion and their religious rights. Why can't those kids
have religious freedoms to pray. That's the way this starts.

Speaker 4 (01:50:46):
Well, that's the way it starts. But I mean, I'll
believe that it's neutral when you know they have the Koran, sure,
and you know you're allowed to read. The person who's
praying with their Koran will be treated just the same
as everybody. There'll be a Muslim kid comes in, There'll
be a Hindu kid who comes in and wants to
pray in a different way. You know, there are Sunday schools,

(01:51:06):
there's after school. Uh, there's praying at home with your
with your family. All of that is great, Mark, but
he's not he's not getting where with this. But again,
it's the whole performance, you know, you know what, it's
all heading toward the midterms. Mark, and just a year
and a bit by now, just a year and a bit. Uh,
they're going to be incredibly important, those those midterms. You

(01:51:28):
see that some multi millionaire I guess it's Munger has
already started spending money saying that we need to have
good government. I don't remember his ads. Did he show
ads in Texas telling them they should have good government?
I don't remember Munger running those ads in Texas. Uh.
He only seems to want to stop California with his
counter move, not the move that started this or where

(01:51:52):
he's tried to tried to steal five Republican seats. They
seem to be on the verge of stealing five Republican
seats in Texas. And I guess Munger with all of
his millions, wants us to sit by idly and say, well,
good government. We're gonna just say, wow, we had good government.
We have fascism in America, but we believe in good government.
We voted in a way for good government because this
multi multimillionaire put ads on that that we should do. So.

(01:52:14):
Of course, I think the campaign to approve the uh,
the redistricting in California that hasn't even started yet, and
I think that'll be a vigorous Well, that's a.

Speaker 1 (01:52:24):
That's a big lift, I mean, and you know, if
it doesn't pass, then it's pretty much a foregone conclusion.
It's sort of academic that the that the House will
be controlled by the Republicans. I got to wrap up, David.

Speaker 4 (01:52:34):
Last Katsa Damas redistricting in California will win on the
ballot in November.

Speaker 1 (01:52:39):
Oh all right, well that's the that's the Catsa Damas
word redistricting wins in California, and then bring on the midterms.
I'll find David on News Nation, and of course he
is defending those who can afford his services, uh in
southern California. The former federal prosecutor. Now he's defending those

(01:53:01):
wrongfully accused people who need a defense. We all need
a defense. Don't wait, we all need a defense at times,
David Tes.

Speaker 4 (01:53:09):
My friends say, only defend two types of people, the
wrongly accused and the rightly accused. But who the hell knows,
who the hell knows when the case starts.

Speaker 1 (01:53:17):
Or yeah, we all need a vigorous defense. See you
next Thursday. Devi kats everybody, bye, David. I am excited.
We did a lot today and there's even more on
the docket to use a legal term for tomorrow, Mark

(01:53:41):
Kim and everyone says Suonan and Robert, which they Susan
Roberts are ten dollars super Chat saying as always, this
will be a great show today. And my daughter is listening. Wow,
that's very cool. I love that. Yeah, Hi, Susan's daughter,
Susan Roberts, thank you really appreciate you love. That's real, Yeah,
not faking, it's real. Mega hard to create a martyr,

(01:54:01):
says Detroit microsound. Yeah there is really. I think I
martyred him already up around a Charlie Kirk. And that's
one of the things that makes this kind of act
so heinous and awful. I mean, if you don't care
about the humanity and or the lack of humanity associated
with it. I mean, if you care so much about
the lack of humanity contained in so much of the

(01:54:22):
Charlie Kirk rhetoric and hate speech, can you have to
be concerned about the lack of humanity associated with murder?
Gebels was a great organizer, Louise says, with a five
dollars super chat on college campuses with a highly successful
nationwide book burning on five ten, nineteen thirty three. Yeah,
it's true. Joseph Gebels was that guy, And Louis says,

(01:54:47):
I'm not celebrating him either, sort of saying, hey, look,
you know that the parallel to Charlie Kirk from Louis,
Big Tuna says, fascist regime will sacrifice their own to
continue to the division and anger. Yeah, that is I mean,
maybe a tip of the hat to some kind of conspiracy.

(01:55:08):
I don't know, because in Erie with a ten dollars
super chat says, we tried to enact border law, but
Trump preferred violence. Soldiers convicted of murder in Afghanistan and
Trump thought they were heroes. That's true. Soldiers convicted of
murder in Afghanistan, even taken up on war crimes here
in this country. Trump pardoned them. Trump thought they were heroes,

(01:55:30):
and I should be pure about this, and without googling it,
I know he pardoned at least one of them, and
it was one very much celebrated with what we're clearly
war crimes. And look, he was court martial, taken up
in a military court. Our current White House promotes violence
at every turn, says cousin Erie. Yeah, I mean, I

(01:55:52):
wish I could dispute that. I mean, sadly, I think
even on the heels of this entire event involving Charlie Kurr,
there was a stirring of the pot. And of course
it's enabled almost immediately by what you see on Fox
News Channel. I watched almost exclusively yesterday Fox News Channel
coverage of the kirk evet and they went right after it.

(01:56:15):
Hannity goes right after it. You should have heard, did
I send it to you, Albert? I don't think I did.
I'll run it tomorrow. Donald Trump's son Eric was on
with Sean Hannity and just went off on Democrats and
the fact that democrats created all of this, that he
went with the Russia hoax. He the persecution of my family.

(01:56:39):
That's what's led to all of this. I'll play you
the cut tomorrow on this show, Hey Mark, anything going
on with the Epstein files. A moment of silence of
the people who died on nine to eleven. Some people
gave all, says Franco. Thank you for the five dollars
super chat the Epstein file, And I think this is
what kind of what you're implying. The file revelation, which

(01:57:02):
was associated with the release of that birthday compendium of
all of those greetings to Epstein.

Speaker 3 (01:57:09):
Compendium would be a d word compendium.

Speaker 1 (01:57:12):
Pendims a dingwam. It was sort of bumped out of
the headlines by the Kirk thing, understandably right, and similarly
the nine to eleven memorial, I think sort of coexists
in the news cycle with the Charlie Kirk stuff. But
the Kirk stuff is being I think so much focused
upon and again understandably a huge story, a political assassination

(01:57:36):
in America. It's huge that it has bumped out the
nine to eleven memorial on some level, but it really
does bear saying that we do ignore so much other
gun violence every day, and so the gun violence that
hit at the high school, the gun violence that hit today.

(01:58:00):
There was more gun violence today, the other gun violence
that we live with every day, and just want to
talk political assassinations. I mentioned it yesterday when the Charlie
Kirk story was breaking, because I thought it was so
interesting that Donald Trump quickly talked about the tragedy associated
with Charlie Kirk and political violence, but didn't mention the

(01:58:22):
political violence when the Minneslota legislator was shot and killed
along with her husband in their home. Barely you mention
at all from Donald Trump on that. So this picking
and choosing by the right is scary because they've created
a narrative and a profile that would suggest sort of

(01:58:44):
life the left is bent on some kind of violent destruction,
when I don't think that's reflected in the reality of
all of these incidents.

Speaker 3 (01:58:54):
And we don't even know who's responsible for this yet.
I mean, it could just be some crazy person who's
neither on the left nor the right.

Speaker 1 (01:59:02):
We don't know. Angel in the Bay Area says Tony
and Albert. Is it possible to reverb sound effects on
all Trump clips? I mute Trump's voice? Rush Limbaugh was
on KGO Sunday late afternoons from four to six. That
was the first time I boycotted KGO. Yeah, well, I
mean agause. I don't know what you want me to do.

(01:59:23):
I see all of your comments. Oh my god, not
another cut from Trump. The guy's president of the f
and United States. Man, What do you want me to do?
Leave him out? I mean, I don't like it anymore.
I can't believe he is president of the United States.
I say it to myself out loud. I can't believe
Donald Trump is president of the United States. It's what

(01:59:44):
I say to you when I talk about the people
of America. Don't tell me how honorable the people of
America are, how they're going to come to their senses.
You've seen the people of America. You've seen what they'll believe.
You'll see what they fight for. They elected Donald Trump,
or they allowed the manipulation of Donald Trump, or however

(02:00:05):
you want, a manipulation of votes, however you want to
term it. We've permitted this on some level. We've really
gotten complacent. You know, we sit on the couch the
NFL season starts, we play fantasy football, we go on draftking,
we make all our DraftKings picks. Then we eat a

(02:00:25):
double whopper and go, oh yeah, what about the election? Yeah,
I know, I've heard of the immigration, the border, Yeah yeah, yeah,
and stuff's too expensive. I'm going with Trump. I know,
you know, I get it he's not politically correct, but
I'll go with him. I mean, that's basically the arithmetic
done by a ton of people.

Speaker 4 (02:00:41):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (02:00:42):
I didn't like the vax thing, the vaccine thing. You know,
what is the state telling me that I have to
vaccinate my kids? I want to get government off my back.
I'm going Republican. This is where we end up. I
don't think there's any complex arithmetic being done. So again,

(02:01:02):
Trump is the president. There will be more of what
he says and does, because what he says and does
affects our lives. So I'm not just going to oh
my god, no Mark, no more Trump. I don't want
to hear his voice tough. I think that's as dangerous

(02:01:23):
as buying into what he says. Just like I tell me,
when it's over, I'll be over here. I'm gonna go
watch Seinfeld reruns. All right, But you can do both.
You can find your areas of peace, you can find
your areas of calm, you can find the things that
are beautiful about life. There's so much great about life

(02:01:47):
and about life in America. I mean, we're acculturated as
Americans I am. I mean, I don't know what happened.
If I have to go live overseas or in some
other culture, I've done it. I was educated in overseas.
I couldn't wait to get back to America. I wrote
a whole blues song about living in Europe but wanting
to get back to Europe to America. But I'll tell

(02:02:10):
you there's a lot about Europe that is far more
enticing than what's happening in America right now. There are
also things happening in Europe that are suggesting a rise
of fascism there that's scary. All I'm trying to say
is we can't ignore things here. We can enjoy things
here while not ignoring a lot of what happens. So,
I mean, I think these things are self evident to

(02:02:32):
most of you, but I still want to say it
because I see it in the chat all the time,
and it kind of bums me out. Like we work
hard to try to find you the right clips and
to try to find you those things that are most relevant.
But I understand, you know, it's a you know, it's
a sucky situation, and you don't want to hear the
guy who's created it. So who said this The nineteen

(02:02:55):
sixty four Civil Rights Act was a huge mistake, Oh,
lovable Charlie. Yeah, Big Tuna says, Hey, Mark Charlie's assassination
could be an inside job so that the right has
a reason to attack the left, or could be the
white supremacist because he wasn't in line with their rhetoric. Yeah,
I mean I get that, and in fact, out what
I was kind of talking about at the beginning of

(02:03:16):
the show. You can put together a conspiracy theory since
we know so little, but like you know, so many
have been part of a political movement and somebody in
their own political movement is more of a zealot than
they are and they're taken out that way. So that's possible.
And it could also be a leftist or a lefty

(02:03:38):
or a you know, it could be any number of things.
And that's why right now the conspiracy theorists are running
in to feel in their own narrative, and the President
of the United States, Donald Trump, offered statements about the
left having done this to Charlie Kirk. They're being it
was perpetrated by the left before or he even knew,

(02:04:01):
because none of us do know who the actual shooter is.
So Joan Hollywood with a five dollars supersticker and a
big shout out to Joan Hollywood. I feel like she's
being very active today, Kim. Yeah, I'd like to hang out,
but I have got to wrap up. Do you have
anything before?

Speaker 3 (02:04:23):
I have so much, But I'm just going to give
you three little tidbits. You know they have that thing
in People magazine, the unions and the passings, right, I
want you to know that Oliver North married Fawn Hall.

Speaker 1 (02:04:37):
Oh yeah, so Fawn Hall was his assistant when he
was in government, isn't that right?

Speaker 2 (02:04:43):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (02:04:44):
She was shoving, allegedly shoving documents down her pants. Well
who hasn't been that so that they could shred them
together and jammed up a shredding machine.

Speaker 1 (02:04:54):
And finally once she shredded together, don't you think a
wedding is interesting?

Speaker 2 (02:05:00):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (02:05:01):
So that's Oliver North and Fawn Hall. And remember flow
kiss my grits flow.

Speaker 1 (02:05:06):
On the from Alice.

Speaker 3 (02:05:08):
Yeah, in real life. Her name was Polly Holiday and
she passes away at the age of eighty eight. So
flow kiss my grits. Flow is no longer with us.
So I thought that was sad.

Speaker 1 (02:05:19):
And by the way, Oliver North I think is eighty
five or something like that, and Fawn Hall is probably
I don't know what is she's sixty five. Maybe.

Speaker 3 (02:05:27):
Yeah, they're not they're not spring chickens, but you know.

Speaker 1 (02:05:30):
Probably what happened is his wife died and now he's
gone back to his assistant and they're gonna there. They
are there.

Speaker 8 (02:05:38):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (02:05:38):
I saw her at Lord and Taylor, which is a
department store in Washington. I don't know if it's still there,
but you remember I grew up in Washington, so I
saw her at the time. And let me just say this,
and she was, you know, from here to there, like
really close. She's a pretty pretty gal, as my dad
would say. She's a pretty gal. And also if you know,
and he's handsome and his a uniform, go ahead, Yes,

(02:06:00):
of course he breaks the law.

Speaker 3 (02:06:02):
He breaks the law. If you needed to take a
helicopter anywhere, you know, as one does, you could now
call Uber because Uber is going to let customers book
helicopter rides through its app, which is very convenient, you
know for those of us who are our meeting with
a quick ride. I think that's uh, that's fantastic.

Speaker 1 (02:06:23):
No more paying the toll, jump on the just jump
on the Uber.

Speaker 8 (02:06:28):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (02:06:28):
The Uber Chopper album.

Speaker 3 (02:06:29):
A boat in London.

Speaker 4 (02:06:33):
I've taken that.

Speaker 1 (02:06:37):
Love it. So there you go, all right, I there
it is. Look at that Uber Chopper.

Speaker 3 (02:06:44):
Can we just because I've been jones in to show
you guys this for the last two days, can we
show that the shipping containers being dumped into the port
of Long.

Speaker 1 (02:06:53):
Beach they were Yeah, they fell in. They weren't being
jumped in.

Speaker 3 (02:06:59):
Nobody was out they're pushing them, but they did into
the water. They have video which is crazy that shows
dozens of these shipping containers aboard this ship at the
Port of Long Beach. Something happened. Maybe they weren't stacked properly,
we don't know. Some fell onto the dry dock, others
tumbled right into the water. But the video is wild.

Speaker 1 (02:07:23):
I wonder what was in those well, I mean exactly, yeah,
all of your splash down. What is that? The stuff,
the low cost stuff that's being affected by the tariffs now,
so dramatically.

Speaker 3 (02:07:33):
I've headed to Walmart.

Speaker 1 (02:07:34):
Thank you. That's exactly. Yeah, that's all your t move stuff.
I have to say that what they think happened on
these uh you're you're watching it now on YouTube for
those just listening. We just have been watching these. As
Kim says, it is pretty dramatic. As you watch, these
containers just cascade like dominos. So these are immense. These
things are eight pounds empty. Okay, but in any case, Uh,

(02:07:59):
they think that the ship had a ballast issue and
that the ballast was done. I mean, I think that's
what I've read. But we'll see. I'm sure that there's
a major, major investigation going on and there will be
the problem. No one's getting fired, what, There'll be insurance,
there will be a lot. I'm sorry, Yeah, I don't

(02:08:20):
think my bad. I'm sorry. It's going to do it
on this one. It's just not wrong.

Speaker 8 (02:08:23):
It was stupid, and I'm trying to be a better person.

Speaker 1 (02:08:25):
Yeah, well, I think you'll have to go full tube
and on this one. To me, I don't Yeah, captain,
I'd like to know more about what what happened on
that show.

Speaker 4 (02:08:40):
Tomorrow.

Speaker 1 (02:08:41):
I will I'll play you a couple of key cuts
that I want to play for today and we're just
out of time. One of them involves Eric Trump talking
about the effect that Democrats had in producing the murderous
act that occurred yesterday at that Utah school against Charlie Kirk.
We'll also talk about you know where we are now

(02:09:04):
and we'll know more tomorrow as well as Michael Shore
joins Jim Abla as well. Also Florida tomorrow and more.
And now the Great Shadow text us out. I'm a
shadow of Stevens for the Mark Johnson Show. Kim's doing
the after Party live over in the After Party Live channel.
Thank you everyone, Bye bye, remembering our nine to eleven

(02:09:28):
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