Wavering GOP Faith in Trump as his Zigzagging on Tariffs Creates Global Uncertainty 3/14/25

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Thank you all. It is a pleasure to greet you
on a Monday as the United States of America is
rapidly dismantled and the economic system which carries the world
is completely reimagined in a grotesque, horrible way. Everyone, it's
a great Yes, there are no people I'd rather go

(00:23):
down with than my audience on this show.

Speaker 2 (00:27):
Thank you.

Speaker 1 (00:28):
Yes, we will talk a lot about what's happening. There
was just a huge meeting in the White House, as
you know, with the President of El Salvador. And boy,
this guy he knows how to play Trump. He was
a ninja with Trump, I thought, I mean, and it's sadly,

(00:48):
you know, it doesn't uphold the ideals that you hope
would be upheld. But in terms of playing Trump, this
guy really get him. We'll talk a little bit about that.
Gary Dietrich is coming through as well. It is the
finals of Marx Madness, and we will see these two

(01:11):
drops face off against each other in just a moment.
We'll get that going. And I have to say that
Kim has sort of a It's weird because she doesn't
really like you know, she hasn't benefit at all if
she were to win. But this drop that she has
it does have her voice on it. She she could

(01:35):
if she might have a bounce at her step. I mean,
she clearly would like I blame you. She'd like to
see that win. I'm sure I don't.

Speaker 3 (01:40):
Think i've voted. I think I voted for girl, baby Girl.

Speaker 1 (01:45):
Oh well, there you go. I mean, who can that's
part of the madness of Marx madness. Who can really
tell what allegiances anyone has? Right, It's a reflection in
a sense of modern America. But Mars, the commissioner of
Mark's Madness, has joined us for the announcement of the

(02:06):
finals and also some interesting correspondences that we got from you.
And here he is Albert. Everybody, Yeah, Albert, and you
and your commissioner role. You must have been following the
brackets pretty closely throughout this entire tournament. I wonder if
you can comment on the current state of things, please, commission.

Speaker 4 (02:27):
Yeah, currently, if Tony can share what the standings are
looking like, yes, so if you could look closely here,
let me blow it up just like Jane for everyone.

Speaker 1 (02:40):
Jane leads Jane Oros.

Speaker 5 (02:45):
Jane, Oh yeah, Jane Oros.

Speaker 4 (02:46):
With a couple familiar names there, Daniel Martin Cranky Charcoal,
which is a great name, and we haven't seen this
name the whole time. Just with the advancement of the
drops to the finals has skyrocketed to the top. You
could see towards the bottom here of this page.

Speaker 1 (03:03):
Oh, I see Mark Thompson.

Speaker 5 (03:05):
Mark Thompson and Michael Snyder.

Speaker 1 (03:07):
Just below George Vanessa has done well. George has done well.
But then there is me and I'm just ahead of
Michael Snyder where I like to be a little bit
ahead of Michael Snyder the culture Blaster.

Speaker 4 (03:19):
Yeah, and over the weekend we had a couple of
our my couple of our experts, a couple amateur Steve Kornakis,
if I could say, email in to tell you your
chances of winnings are pretty high and it just depends
on what would what would win. So Daniel Martin did
who's over here in the top three? Did email in
that you if if AOC baby girl wins the whole tournament?

Speaker 1 (03:43):
Yeah, Hi, Mark, I recalculated and it appears that if
AOC baby girl wins the tournament, you will be number
one in scoring, which is an amazing what I know.

Speaker 6 (03:55):
Oh, girl, baby girl, don't even play.

Speaker 1 (03:59):
Michael will be tied for second place with two other players.
Then there will be a five way tie for third place. Again,
this is from Daniel Martin, who looked closely at the brackets.
If I blame you wins, he says, Jane ros will
be number one, Cranky Charcoal will be number two, and
there will be a three way tie for third place.

(04:22):
Of course I will be pulling, he says, for I
blame you to win, But it would be unprecedented for
Mark Thompson to win. Mark's Madness. It is true. Some
would say there's never been anything like it is. There's
never been anything like this. Yeah, see you Monday morning,
Daniel Martin. Thank you Daniel for that breakdown. That was

(04:44):
really quite good. And what I end up realizing, Albert,
is that I have a lot of personal stake in
the outcome, which makes me very uncomfortable.

Speaker 5 (04:53):
Yeah, and it gets you back into it. I think you.

Speaker 4 (04:56):
I'm not to say that you're checked out a little bit,
but it's not something to look forward to when you're
not as high.

Speaker 1 (05:02):
Yeah, no, I think you can say it. Yeah, I
think you're right. All of a sudden, I have a
real interest. So all right, So now it'll be uh,
these two and the voting just to get this ahead
of before we actually drop it. The voting goes on
until midnight to night Pacific time three am Eastern, right.

Speaker 5 (05:22):
That's correct.

Speaker 4 (05:23):
And then with the outcome of this, it'll be our
crowned champion all right tomorrow that we will announce.

Speaker 1 (05:29):
That I will come on. I'm actually not going to
be here for the whole show tomorrow, but I will
come on at the very beginning. That's not something that
really matters to anybody in the audience, but you know,
but my point is it's that special. Albert'll be here.
I'll be here, Kim Tony. It really will be all
hands on tech for tomorrow's finals. But we have to
get some man voting done before we get to the finals.

(05:52):
That's right. It is marks madness, the crescendo, the day
no Morrow, the big finish. You'll vote for either you
or oh.

Speaker 7 (06:01):
Girl, Baby Girl, don't even play again.

Speaker 1 (06:05):
You'll vote for I Blame you or oh Girl, Baby Girl.

Speaker 8 (06:10):
Don't even play.

Speaker 1 (06:11):
Vote in the post section of our YouTube channel until
three am Eastern midnight tonight on the West coast. Yeah,
we're very excited Albert again, anything could happen. We've seen
drops go out to a lead in voting early and
then they get crushed in later voting. It's not unlike

(06:34):
American elections, is it, Albert.

Speaker 5 (06:37):
Not at all?

Speaker 4 (06:37):
And uh, it's just this is probably the most unpredictable
final I feel like we've had because you just don't know.
This has been so fifty to fifty and I think
we've just been talking about these two jobs the whole time.

Speaker 1 (06:48):
So yeah, it's true they're popular. And again, this doesn't
mean that you're voting a drop off the show. It
just is a question of who what wins march Man.
That's all. So you know, only one drop can win,
just like last year. Boat drops in the finals are
ones I sent in, so I win either way, says

(07:09):
Trevor Starr in Hollywood. Trevor Starr in Hollywood with a
ten dollars ten cent super chat is right. Oftentimes we'll
ask him for drops of one short or another and
he always steps up. So thank you, all right, Albert,
I want to thank you for taking a minute to

(07:30):
jump in. Keep us posted, and we'll see you tomorrow morning.

Speaker 5 (07:33):
We'll be back to see who wins.

Speaker 1 (07:35):
Okay, sir, it's Albert the commissioner of Mark's Madness, taking
time out to fill in the assembled on the situation.
So Mark Thompson show. Yes, I'll get to Bill Maher.
I see you asking him about Bill Maher in the chat.
We'll get to that. And Mark's going to win his
own golf tournament John Watson. It's very trumpy and yeah,

(07:59):
very Trumpian. Although you can see everything. You know, I
got the votes in pretty early, pretty weird that it's
kind of a wild finish, you know, kind of a
wild finish here. So as I say I'll get to
the Bill marthing, I will. I have some strong thoughts
on it, and I really happily share them with you.
I just want to get to it a little bit later,

(08:20):
probably an hour or two of get Gary Dietrich coming
up bottom of this hour. I do want to recognize it,
try to find something that's not pure Trumpion or you know.
At the beginning of the show, just to warm us up,
that we did March Madness a second ago. And I
also note that the women in Space Crew came back
down to Earth. They took off and came back down

(08:42):
in their tight blue space suits spandex. This time they went, well,
I mean, kim they I'm sure it shows it themselves.
I doubt they succumbed to the patriarchy when it came
to choosing their outfits. But Amazon CEO sending his fiance

(09:04):
into space with the all women crew and their chic outfits.
This time it's tight blue outfits. Next time it'll be
mini skirts the way. Well, you know, in Star Trek
they used to wear mini skirts all the women, so
it might be in the future, way in the future
old Star Trek.

Speaker 3 (09:25):
I'm thinking of seven of nine Star Trek.

Speaker 1 (09:27):
Well you can say old. I call it the original
Star Trek. Yes, thank you very much. All right, Now,
look at them coming off of.

Speaker 3 (09:34):
The on the ground.

Speaker 1 (09:36):
Katy Perry coming off the blue Origin space craft.

Speaker 9 (09:41):
There it was, Why does the spaceship look like a
male member?

Speaker 1 (09:47):
You know what I'm saying. Yeah, I don't really know
what you're saying. I would love for you, Tony more specific,
but I think I think I don't know why they
chose Maybe that was the most aerodynamically friendly.

Speaker 9 (10:01):
It's a little strange. Yeah, I do agree, solid shaped
rocket ship. It's conspicuous, I agree, I agree. Yeah, it's
a very sexy trip they took.

Speaker 1 (10:13):
Yeah, there was. You're right, there's a lot of sex
appeal there. I never thought of that, but you're absolutely right.
Kim is not wrong. So anyway, welcome back Blue Origin.
They really turned into a thing. They had, you know, interviews,
and I mean I understand why, but it was really
quite you know, quite interesting to see them all come

(10:33):
off the you know, the spacecraft and talk about it. Anyway,
not the only thing going on, but that's not related
to Trump. I have one other weird item. I'll share
it with you now, and then we'll get going on Trump,
on tariffs, on the deportation of citizens by mistake, and
then allowing the deportation just to sit. I'll get to
all of that. The other thing I want to mention

(10:54):
to you, though, was Mark Thompson show Rosie O'Donnell, who
is a lesbian, isn't she she's unapologize.

Speaker 9 (11:04):
Yeah, she's a very toe woman and has a lot
of children. I mean, I think you could change your mind.

Speaker 3 (11:10):
Maybe. Is that what's going on?

Speaker 1 (11:11):
Oh? Well, she is now apparently saying that she's struck
up a surprising as she calls it, friendship with the
convicted murderer Lyle Menendez. He was convicted, of course, with
his brother first agree murder in the nineteen eighty nine
They were shot in that Tian Down. The conviction I
think followed by eighteen months or something like that. She

(11:34):
had expressed her belief that the brother's actions were a
result of self defense in an interview on Larry King's show.
So she's already on record as saying, Hey, I think
these guys sort of did it in self defense. One
can you tell us about the scene. She thinks it's
zelf defense, Larry the it's not self defense. I mean,

(11:58):
you know, you don't shoot two p people sitting on
the couch as they watch television. You don't slaughter them
and then tell me it's in self defense. Now, there
might be other explanations. What are the explanations entered into
this entire thing in court? As you know, is the
result of abuse. It was the physical and mental abuse
that took place over years. But that's not self defense.

(12:20):
You may say it's justifiable homicide, or it explains it
or whatever, but I mean, I don't know. Sorry, I
don't think there's any excuse that washes here. But obviously
Rosie and I disagree. In any case. She recalls on
Larry King Live where she had expressed that belief that

(12:41):
the actions were a result of self defense, that that
led her to develop this friendship with Lyle Menendez, and
he and his brother sit there all these years. And
now the idea somehow is that Rosie has become what
would you say, is she attracted to him or she

(13:01):
said she's kind of said in a People magazine interview,
He's the one straight man who I could see, you know,
getting together with. Isn't that what she said?

Speaker 9 (13:10):
She said, He's the one straight man that I trust, basically,
that I can trust and that I can trust with
my vulnerabilities, emotions, that.

Speaker 2 (13:19):
Type of thing.

Speaker 9 (13:20):
Now I wonder how they even got connected. I mean,
how do you become friends with someone who's in prison
for life? She like, are you one of those people
who starts writing letters? Or did you should she interview him?

Speaker 1 (13:34):
Well, apparently she did an interview and it lasted multiple hours,
and then he started calling me. This is a quote
on a regular basis from the tablet phone thing that
they have quote. He would tell me about his life,
what he's been doing in prison. For the first time
in my life, I felt safe enough to trust and
be vulnerable and love a straight man. O'Donnell proceeded to

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in touch with Menendez and visited him in prison following
a nineteen ninety three mistrial. The Menendez brothers were then
convicted in ninety six and sentenced to life in prison
without parole. They since fought to be released from prison,
saying that they murdered their parents out of fear for
their lives.

Speaker 2 (14:17):
They're off the deep end.

Speaker 9 (14:19):
I agree with Kathleen Bryant here who says Rosie is
totally losing it.

Speaker 1 (14:23):
Yeah, come on. She has moved to Ireland though, that's
something that maybe others of you are considering. Rosie has
moved to Ireland with her twelve year old child, Clay,
who is autistic, and she's done that, she says, because
of Donald Trump's presidency. So anyway, that's the update on

(14:48):
Rosie O'Donnell in love and living in Ireland. That is
the summary. Good time, Mark Thompson's show. It has been
a busy day at the White House. The President entertaining
the President of l Salvador, wannabe dictator meets already dictator.

Speaker 3 (15:12):
That's fun.

Speaker 1 (15:13):
And there was a pretty It was a riff fest,
meaning that Trump sort of just spoke at length, and
he would just sort of flitter from one thing to
the next. You know, it was interesting because he started

(15:34):
on this question of who's being held in the Salvadorn prison,
and then before you know it, he's onto Joe Biden.
Messed up the Afghanistan withdrawal, Joe Biden messed up the economy.
That's not going to happen anymore. We've been ripped off
for forty years. He kind of just moved from one
thing to the next. It was a It was a

(15:56):
pretty I guess that's classic Trump on one level, but
it was also quite bizarre to see him kind of
play the hits in front of Bukele, who actually played
Trump perfectly. He wasn't inordinately ingratiating. The stuff I saw
was just, you know, the stuff you see from his

(16:18):
cabinet officials and the people are around Trump is so
cartoonishly ingratiating that you would go, dude, you just take
it down a little bit. I mean, it's crazy. I
mean it's the you know, I'm so grateful that I
had an opportunity to re imagine America in the courageous
vision of our president, Donald Trump, and I can't imagine

(16:42):
any president in our history being able to make the changes.
It's like, okay, you know, But Boukele really played more
into what he felt were the issues I'm imagining that
Trump cares about, Namely, I've got these guys in this
prison for you, and I'm not going to let him out.

(17:02):
And Bookley actually said, because the American government has admitted
that they've made a mistake, and they have unlawfully, as
determined by the courts, imprisoned in another country, an American
who was legally a resident of this country. He was
unlawfully arrested and unlawfully deported, and the unlawfulness was wall

(17:28):
to wall, even as a judge's order demanded that none
of these people be transported out of this country, And
even as the judges order stipulated and any planes that
are in the air or that haven't taken off will
turn back and abort this mission, they still went on

(17:49):
with it. And then this is the fruit of that
poison tree, right you end up with we're not going
to do anything. The Supreme Court has told them that
they have to facilitate the return of this person. But
the thing that the court didn't say. I guess is
this is the position of the administration is they didn't

(18:12):
say we have to return him right away. They said
we have to facilitate it. What does that mean? So
that's the interpretation for example, that Stephen Miller is offering,
that Donald Trump is offering. And what you saw today though,
was not working the edges and kind of working what
I just described, which is reinterpreting essentially the Supreme Court's

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unanimous decision. Instead, you have stonewalling. You've got stonewalling on
the part of Bouquela, and you've got stonewalling on the
part of Trump because I can't get them if I
wanted to, I have no control over these people. It
was the weirdest thing to I don't know if anybody

(18:55):
heard it. It was the weirdest church.

Speaker 9 (18:57):
Who if you can't get them outident of El Salvador,
then who are you just saying? Like the prison is
running the country. What's happening.

Speaker 1 (19:06):
Asked by reporters at the Oval office on Monday, whether
he has the power to release Abrego Garcia inside El Salvador,
Bakayle said he does, but that his administration isn't quote
very fond of releasing terrorists in his country. You want
us to go back to releasing criminals so we can
go back to being the murder capital of the world.
That's not going to happen, he said. Then he said

(19:28):
this prior. He said, he doesn't have the power to
return to the United States a man mistakenly deported to
his country. How can I return him to the United
States like I smuggle him into the United States. He
kept being asked whether he would return Garcia, who the
Trump administration concedes was mistakenly deported to El Salvador's Mega

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prison because of this administrative error, and he keeps saying,
I don't control it, and I can't return him. The
Trump administration is claiming, of course that Garcia, who's a
Maryland father, and he has no ties to any gang member,
membership or group that has been demonstrated in any way.

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They're saying he's a member of the MS thirteen gang.
Bouquele went on to say that his country is very
eager to help the United States tackle what he calls
its crime and terrorism problem. We're very eager to help,
he says. We know you have a crime problem, a
terrorism problem. That you need help with and we're a
small country, but if we can help, we will do it.

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What I thought was equally shocking was that in that
conversation Donald Trump expanded the wish list to the deportation
of those who are American citizens but who are criminals
or not wanted in the country any longer. So now

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you have Bukele who has stipulated to the fact that
he's really not going to return this Garcia guy. Now
I know David Katz has come on this show. He's
a brilliant legal analyst. I actually exchanged emails with him
because you know, I always I think, I don't know.
I think these predictions that I've made on the pessimistic
side of things have really come to pass. I know

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everybody likes to you know, I'm such a pessimist. I'm
not a pessimist. I'm a bit I think of a realist,
and I don't get high on the hopium that something's
going to happen. Katz felt correctly. He predicted that the
Supreme Court would tell him to return that man, and
they did. But what I said was, I don't care

(21:46):
what the Supreme Court said. They're not going to return
that guy, he's not coming back. And now I would
say so. I was exchanging emails with David Cats over
the weekend, you know, just kind of reemphasizing this point.
Now with this book thing, I'm thinking, they really don't
want to return him. And here's why he's become a

(22:06):
cause celeb. He's become emblematic of a mistake. And the
last thing Donald Trump and his administration ever want to
admit to is a mistake. Boukle will make sure that
he's not returned, and Trump all he has to do
is say, hey, we're trying. You know, we're having trouble
locating him. I'm dealing with the El Salvador and president sit.

Speaker 9 (22:30):
Down with the President of El Salvador in the Oval
office and have the guy sit there and say I
can't return him. And I wouldn't even if I wanted to.
That's not facilitating. You're sitting there with the President of
El Salvador. You could make a deal and hammer it
out and have it done in five minutes.

Speaker 1 (22:47):
Oh you could thirty seconds. Trump says, I want him back,
and it's done right, absolutely right. So I mean that's
just silly.

Speaker 9 (22:55):
It's silly to say that you're not that you're even
trying to facilitate.

Speaker 1 (22:58):
No, I completely is how they.

Speaker 9 (23:01):
Can Even Caroline Levitt even said, oh, it was an
administrative error. The lawyers in court filings have said it
was a mistake that this guy was deported, And now
all of a sudden you have Stephen Miller standing up
and saying it wasn't a mistake.

Speaker 3 (23:13):
He's a criminal. You can't have it both ways.

Speaker 1 (23:17):
You have a little bit of it. To Tony, what
do you? I don't know what part of it you have.
But here the two of them are and Trump. Actually
this is where Trump. I believe he was riffing about
something else. He was riffing from one thing to the next.
It was a lengthy you know. He was feeling it
today with Bouque. Go ahead, please, Tony, No, I thought
you have that.

Speaker 10 (23:32):
Yeah, that smuggle a terrorists into the United States?

Speaker 6 (23:36):
Right?

Speaker 10 (23:37):
How can I smuggle How can I return him to
the United States? I could I smuggle him into the
United States?

Speaker 11 (23:43):
Or whether I do it, of course.

Speaker 12 (23:44):
I'm not going to do it. It's like, I.

Speaker 10 (23:47):
Mean, the question is my busterous How can I smuggle
the terrorists into the United States? I don't have the
power to return him to the United States. Yeah, but
I'm not releasing I mean, but not very fond of
releasing though into our country. You just turned the murder
capital of the world to the safest coulture of the
Western hemisphere, and you want us to go back and
to the releasing criminals so we can go back to

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being the murder capital of the world. That's not going.

Speaker 1 (24:12):
Yeah, so there he is saying it. I'm telling you
he's not coming back. That guy is not coming back.
It's awful, it's horrifying. And then the notion that this
is just the beginning, because you'll jail opposition, you'll deport opposition,
you'll declare somebody in the enemy of the state, you'll
declare somebody a gang member, and there's no due process

(24:37):
and people are deported again. You may not care about
these guys, but you have to care about this trend,
this policy, because it may include many, many, many Americans
who fall into the wrong categories. As far as far
as this administration is concerned, it's deeply disturbing and it's

(24:58):
heartbreaking for these individuals who have been swept up in
all of this. I mean, you know, I get it.
These MS thirteen or you want, it's MS thirteen. One day,
it's the other one. You know, the Venezuelan gang members
that's the other day. And on the next day it'll
be some other group. I mean, they're they're serving up
these reasons to deport people all the time. So I

(25:24):
find it immensely dispiriting. But that's what was happening today
at the White House.

Speaker 9 (25:30):
As a matter of fact, they have Trump from at
the bucal At meeting saying yeah, as a matter of fact,
you know that I wouldn't mind taking US citizens and
deporting them to this mega prison as well.

Speaker 3 (25:42):
Yeah, here is crazy.

Speaker 1 (25:45):
Well I'd do something.

Speaker 11 (25:46):
We'd help them out.

Speaker 12 (25:47):
Yeah, we have them.

Speaker 13 (25:48):
They're great facilities, very strong facilities, and they don't play games.
I'd like to go step further. I mean, I say
I said it to Pam. I don't know what the laws.
We always have to have the laws, But we also
have homegrown criminals that push people into subways, that hit
elderly ladies on the back of the head with a

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baseball bat when they're not looking. That are absolute monsters.
I'd like to include them in the group of people
to get them out of the country. But you'll have
to be looking at the laws on that state.

Speaker 9 (26:21):
Okay, yeah, yeah, what you want to take US citizens
and throw them in a mega prison in El Salvador.

Speaker 1 (26:30):
I mean, here's the deal, dude. We have a setup
for that already. We have prisons in this country, right,
you know, and there are a lot of private prisons.
So don't take away business from you know, your pals
who run the private prisons. It is. It's a window
into the way he thinks, and it's deeply disturbing.

Speaker 2 (26:50):
So I am Mark Thompson show.

Speaker 1 (26:53):
A man scaled an iron security fence in the middle
of the night, eluded cop, broke into the Pennsylvania Governor's mansion,
set a fire there that left significant damage, forced Governor
Josh Shapiro and his family and guests to evacuate the building.
This happened yesterday. The man was captured later in the day.

(27:15):
He'll face charges of attempted murder, terrorism, aggravated US arson,
and aggravated assault. But he and his wife, Shapiro says,
and two dogs and another family had celebrated the Jewish
holiday of Passover at their residence on Saturday. They were
awakened by state troopers pounding on their doors at about
two am on Sunday. They fled and firefighters put the

(27:39):
fire out. But there were many, many, I guess, irreplaceable items.
And this mansion itself is a what am I trying
to kim? It's a historical thank youllness, exactly right. And
so for that reason, there was a lot of damage that,

(28:00):
you know, again not to mention, it's just a it's terrorism,
it's domestic terrorism.

Speaker 3 (28:05):
You know, was an anti Semitic?

Speaker 9 (28:11):
Do they the person who was arrested say he did
it because the Shapiro family is Jewish and it was
a passover thing that they were trying to mark.

Speaker 1 (28:19):
There's been no reporting on that. It's been suggested that
if this guy did it and it can be linked
to the passover or then it would be you know, upgraded.
But I mean it shouldn't need to be upgraded. The
guy tried to burn alive, you know, a family of
a governor, and I'd say that guy shouldn't see the

(28:41):
light of day. Yet, no specific motive has been revealed.
But this is a quote from Shapiro. But we know
a few truths. First, this type of violence is not okay.
This kind of violence is becoming far too common in
our society, and I don't give a damn if it's
coming from one particular side or the other, directed at

(29:01):
one particular party or another, or one particular person or another.
It's not okay, and it has to stop. We have
to be better than this, he says. So, I mean
there was apparently they damaged a large room that is
often used for entertaining crowds. There art displays, charred piano tables, walls,

(29:24):
metal buffet, serving dishes.

Speaker 2 (29:26):
Look at that damage.

Speaker 1 (29:29):
I mean it's pretty pretty awful, pretty awful. I mean this,
I guess, I say, this guy who did this should
not see the light of day. So send him.

Speaker 3 (29:41):
He's out.

Speaker 1 (29:48):
So, uh, what else do we have, Tony, I've lost
to Kim. I'm waiting on Gary Dietrich Am I not.

Speaker 3 (29:55):
Yeah, he should be here any minute, okay.

Speaker 1 (29:57):
So I don't want to get too deep into into
anything else, so I may just quickly, Oh, there he is, Okay, good.
I have a couple of things for Gary that are
kind of off the beaten tracks. So yeah, we'll talk
about tariffs and we'll talk about the politics of this.
Meeting with Bokeley at the White House, but I also
want to ask him about some of the other things

(30:18):
that are going on. And one of those things we
touched on last week. You'll remember I spoke about AOC
and Bernie Sanders and their tour, and AOC and Bernie
Sanders have really lit up huge crowds, I mean, thirty
thousand plus with some very impressive, angry but peaceful demonstrations

(30:45):
against the rising oligarchy as they're characterizing it, or the
established oligarchy. And the buy in has been pretty extraordinary
in this particular one. Yesterday there was a huge rally
in Los Angeles, and then Bernie Sanders went to Coachella,

(31:05):
and we have a little bit of both, and then
I'll get to Gary. Go ahead, this is good.

Speaker 6 (31:10):
Country faces some very difficult challenges.

Speaker 1 (31:16):
Bernie Sanders said Coachella.

Speaker 6 (31:19):
And the future of what happens to America is dependent
upon your generation. Now, you can turn away and you
can ignore what goes on, but if you do that,
you do it at.

Speaker 11 (31:37):
Your own peril.

Speaker 6 (31:38):
We need you to send up to fight for.

Speaker 14 (31:42):
Justice, to fight for economic justice, social justice, and racial justice.
Now we got a president the United States who.

Speaker 1 (32:05):
I agree.

Speaker 6 (32:08):
He thinks they climate change is a hoast. He is
dangerously wrong, and you and I, you and I are
gonna have to stand up to the fossil fuel industry.

Speaker 1 (32:28):
So that's an animated crowd, and there was an animated
crowd in Los Angeles a day earlier. I mean, this
is definitely tapping into a feeling. But the question is
is it a politically viable feeling that can actually fight
back against an existing momentum that's associated with the dominant

(32:52):
party in this country, which is the GOP. That is
to be continued and we'll talk to Gary about in
next show, Mark Thompson Show. This guy is a political
analyst for iHeartRadio also across the CBS television stations and
our former colleague at KGO in San Francisco. A brilliant
political mind, and I think he brings a kind of

(33:15):
political agnosticism to things. You know, he'll kind of he'll
play it down the middle. Let's hear him, Gary Dietrich, Everybody, Yeah,
love my Gary Dietrich. Hey, my friend, Hey Gary. I
watched with interest because you and I had talked about
this AOC Bernie Sanders phenomenon, and there's definitely a lot

(33:38):
of momentum here. When you look at the crowd size
and you look at reaction, there's a huge crowd in
Los Angeles. Of course they've had huge crowds in the East.
Then he goes to Coachella and of course there's already
a huge crowd there. But you know his reception was
you heard it very, very warm. I'm wondering how that
translate translates into a political viability or into a political movement,

(33:58):
or is this the way political will move and start
with the kind of germination that we're seeing.

Speaker 11 (34:02):
Yeah, that's a great question mark. And let's start with this.

Speaker 8 (34:06):
There's never been an eighty something year old on the
Coachella stage ever in history, and there may never be again.
I mean, let's just tick down a couple of things
real quick, all right. It is absolutely remarkable to observers
like me. Seriously, we talked about this back when he
was running for president, that the person right now in

(34:28):
the United States that is resonating most with young twenty
somethings is an eighty something year old Bernie Sanders.

Speaker 11 (34:35):
That's number one. You just think about that.

Speaker 8 (34:38):
You know, that ought to cause people in the Democratic
Party going like, hey, what gives your Secondly, he has
set again recently on national television he considers himself still
an independent, not a Democrat, And I think this is
to start moving into the politics of this. I think
there's a plus and of minus for this For the Democrat.

(35:00):
One is he is getting crowds that nobody else is
even attempting, right even at these town halls that people
are trying to hold in Republican leaning districts, et cetera.
You know, they might get a few hundred people and
they're animated, right, But I mean, these are massive crowds
in the tens of thousands. That certainly says something about

(35:23):
the level of interest in what he is talking about
and the institutions that he is challenging, and the presidency
of these challenging and in some ways, in some ways
it's reminiscent of the start of the anti war movement
right decades ago, when these kinds of rallies with this
kind of demographic. Now, it wasn't by an eighty something,

(35:43):
It was by people like Joanes and Bob Dolla and others.
But you know what, that's the kind of feel I
think it has, at least in that it's sort of
germination the seed seed of it, you know what I mean,
Mark Sure.

Speaker 1 (35:55):
In fact, that's a great comparison the Vietnam stuff. That's
really interesting. And you know, I wouldn't normally post this
guy because he's a pain in our uh he's kind
of a he's a magahead in our comments. But I
think he does on the heels of what you just said,
he if this is provocative, Dellwood Kelprit's AOC plus Sanders

(36:17):
spells McGovern reducts. So at the you know, that's a
reference essentially to the fact that at the end of
that run that you just described, the Vietnam War, the protests,
sixty eight, then seventy two. I mean, this was like
the country was roiling with all of them. I mean,
my god, the nation cities were on fire through the sixties.
Then you had this huge anti war movement, massive crowds.

(36:40):
George McGovern became the candidate, and what happened.

Speaker 11 (36:45):
He got wiped out.

Speaker 8 (36:46):
Yeah, I mean that for those people who don't know,
go back quite that far. McGovern's election was an absolute
disaster at the hands of Richard Nixon. Now we can
get into all the other things that went along with that.
Water gain everything else, But the bottom line was that
for Democrats as a wifebout. So let me make my
last point on this Bernie Sanders AOC thing. It is

(37:09):
absolutely remarkable that Democrats as a party and an organization
have kind of seeded the stage literally to Bernie Sanders.
I mean, there's nobody else other than AOC taking that
stage with him. You would think when you have crowds
at large being generated that somebody from the party we
want to step up, step out. Let me just throw

(37:31):
out a bunch of names, right, A Corey Booker who
was on the floor of the Senate. A Josh Shapiro
who just has house torched over the weekend, right. I mean,
you'd think there would be somebody who'd say, you know what,
I want to get up there and be one of
the voices of our party. We can't just let Bernie
do it as the independent guy who challenged our standard

(37:52):
bearers for our party nomination. So it's sort of remarkable
to me, Mark twofold one. The crowds are growing, clearly
in the enthusiasm growing on the one hand. On the
other hand, the Democratic Party has got to kick start
this thing if they want to get on board the
bandwagon for eighteen months from now in the midterm elections.

Speaker 1 (38:13):
Such a great point about the fact that, you know,
the rest of the party is kind of quiet Oddly,
CC writer says, I have no problem being allowed and
proud Democrat. The left needs to stop eating their own
and making excuses for being a Democrat. Go hard and
be strong in liberal values, climate, voting, abortion U. It's interesting.
I mean, this is part of a much longer conversation

(38:34):
that we will have as to what ideas and what
priorities get traction with the voting public. But there is
definitely a crisis in the Democratic Party because you've got
people like CC writers who say, hey, you got to
get it out there, you got your your these are
these are laudable goals and moral tenets that this party

(38:55):
has that the other party does not have, and you've
got to fly that flag. And there are others who say,
you know, I want to I want to be a moderate.
You saw the Whitmer meeting at the in the Oval office.
I mean it was a there's a there's a mishmash
on the Democratic side. And as you say, everybody's m
I A except for Sanders and AOC.

Speaker 8 (39:14):
Yeah, and even even amongst some of the well known names. Now,
Whitmer claims she got trapped into that meeting, et cetera.
But the bottom line she wanted. She went to the
White House willingly to talk about jobs in her state.
And this is the challenge for a lot of people.
It's a challenge for Whitmer right now. It's a challenge
for Gavin Neussim in California. How do you get behind

(39:34):
the things that you say. Yeah, you know what that
Whitmer's saying, the tariffs are good in some sense for
the guys in my auto industry. Okay, that's the conundrum,
she asked, right now, that's the rock in the hard place,
and that's why she said, you said she went there.
Gavin NEWSSM is doing some really interesting things, as you
well know the issue on you know, trans Folks and

(39:56):
Women's Sports a few weeks ago, on his podcast more
recently in the last week, saying is going to steer
his own course with foreign nations over the tariffs. And
now there's national experts saying he doesn't have any power
to do anything seriously about that. So there's stuck mark,
you know between Okay, some of this stuff we can
get behind some of it, we can't, And they're kind

(40:17):
of frozen in time at least for right now politically,
I think until there's more chinks in the armors that
they feel like they can take advantage of with Trump.

Speaker 1 (40:25):
Yeah, in a way, I don't blame Whitmer for trying
to get some sort of understanding going with the dominant
power force in America right now. It's a weird thing
to say, because you know, you can I get it.
You're enabling, You're you're justifying, you're you know, tacitly okaying

(40:48):
this guy and his policies that are totally looming. This
is again, this is the view of many Democrats, as
the view of myself on some level in terms of
his policies, but on another level, as a governor of
a state, you have a responsibility to those people who
you know, occupy that state in your constituency to make
a deal.

Speaker 11 (41:07):
Yeah, And I think that's the challenge right now.

Speaker 8 (41:11):
You know, there's some the party is truly split about
half of the party things. You go hard opposition all
the time, twenty four to seven.

Speaker 11 (41:20):
You don't work with Trump on anything.

Speaker 15 (41:22):
Right.

Speaker 8 (41:22):
On the other hand, you've got people saying, look, we've
got to deal with some of these issues that are
on say Pennsylvania's true, same thing you know with petroleum,
with a manufacturing steel course in Pennsylvania, a really big
issue in terms of its legacy.

Speaker 11 (41:37):
It's heritage.

Speaker 8 (41:38):
So that's that's where they find themselves stuck between how
do you work on the things you want to work
on and.

Speaker 11 (41:44):
Oppose that things specificously you don't.

Speaker 8 (41:46):
I mean, you know, one of my AWA matters came
out today, Harvard saying we're not going to work with
the We're not going to seede to the president on
these demands for our funding.

Speaker 11 (41:55):
Reportedly that that esteemed ivy.

Speaker 8 (41:58):
The institution gets about a billion dollars in federal funding
for research and these things.

Speaker 11 (42:03):
So there's a lot.

Speaker 8 (42:05):
I don't know how this is all going to shake out,
but we are. We're in some quite interesting territory right now.

Speaker 5 (42:10):
Mark Well.

Speaker 1 (42:11):
And then you see the federal government. You're in California
and they're saying, hey, we're going to open up all
the US national forests, including California. In factually California is
sort of going to be the test case maybe to
timber production. They want to increase US timber production by
twenty five percent, and they'll get all eighteen of California's

(42:33):
national forests involved. And there's no clear plan but immediately
expanding this timber production and doing it in the national
forest there in California. That's a that's a tough one
to swallow if you're Gavin Newsom, but you have no choice.

Speaker 8 (42:50):
Well, Gavin's caught between a rock and a hard place
on that one too. And interesting you bring this up, Mark,
I was thinking about this issue coming on today because
just last week I met with the chair of a
border supervisor of one of the major forest counties in California,
and he welcomes what Trump's doing. And the reason is
this fires, you know. He said, look, even Gavin has

(43:14):
been behind this deal. In fact, they've allocated state moneys
for thinning the forest. And you see this a lot.
You can actually drive around now, like the west shore
of Lake Tahoe. You can see it where they're doing
it and have done it. So it does need to
be done. Of course, environmentals say very selectively, right, and
that's kind of been Gavin's approach.

Speaker 11 (43:33):
But this chair of the Border superst said, look, we
got to do this.

Speaker 8 (43:37):
He had a massive tens of thousands of acre fire
in his own district just several years ago that completely
wiped out a mountain town. And he says, we've been
waiting for this kind of authority to get our forests
cleaned up. In fact, there were Feds, the Forest Service
said ten years ago where this town was, They identified
this said very high danger zone. We need to get

(43:58):
in there and clean it up. It never happened and
the town burned down. So here again, what he actually
the supervisor some of the mark should be the map
of where these national forest plans are all over the country.

Speaker 11 (44:10):
Check this out.

Speaker 8 (44:10):
You know where most of them are in the blue
states of Washington, Oregon, and California.

Speaker 11 (44:16):
So here again, these these.

Speaker 8 (44:17):
Three democrat leaning states, democratically leaning states are going to
have to figure out how do they work with the
Trump investigation to finn out force where they know their
danger zones, and how do they not just sort of
open it up carte blanche to clearcutting, you know exactly.

Speaker 1 (44:35):
The last thing that you've just said is so critical
because there's a difference between forest fire remediation fire prevention
remediation type moves and the idea that you're just clearcutting.
I mean, there really is a difference. And I don't
mean to suggest that they would do anything reckless. This administration,
everything seems so clearly thought out. But I'm guessing they're
on the clear cutting side. Okay, So I know, Mark.

Speaker 8 (44:59):
Okay, I'm starting to rupt. I don't I did not.
I didn't comment on because I didn't see it. I
don't know that there's yet developed specifics to happen.

Speaker 1 (45:09):
Yeah, there's not. There's not, so to be fair, there's
nothing handed down. And that's what the Forest Service is
saying as well. Hey, I wanted to play something for you,
then I want to get to Bouquet, and I want
to get to this guy who is languishing in an
El Salvador in prison. But uh, Tony, can you play
for Gary? That the Stephen A. Smith thing, he was

(45:31):
asked about his presidential run. And you know, you know
Stephen A. Smith. He's a ESPN commentator and very high profile,
just trying this huge deal at ESPN for and so
he was on with the I think Jake Tapper over
the weekend. No, it doesn't matter who he was on
with anyway, he was on ABC. This is I think

(45:52):
Jonathan Carl was talking to him. Go ahead, please.

Speaker 16 (45:54):
The biggest picture here is that Elizabeth Warren was just
all with you. You're going to have a multitude of
Democratic representatives on with you.

Speaker 1 (46:01):
They talk and they talk and they talk. Well, what
can they do?

Speaker 16 (46:04):
They positioned themselves to do absolutely nothing. I did anything
about terrorists from the Democrats before the election. Trump had
been preaching about this for the longest time, the way
people decry his strategy. He's been bloviating about that. They
said nothing about it, and instead they talked about everything
from walk culture, the cancer culture, to abortion rights and
all of this other stuff. So that wasn't going to

(46:25):
win the election. And that's what we have to look at.
What is it going to take to get the job done.
That's why somebody who's a sports analyst for crying out
loud is in the dagone polls. Yeah, it's not somebody
big up in me. It's an indictment against a Democratic
party that doesn't have leadership and doesn't have a vision.

Speaker 2 (46:42):
And then you know, I saw you mentioned Bill Maher.

Speaker 17 (46:45):
So Steve Bannon was on with Bill Maher and he
was asked what Democrats he worried about.

Speaker 1 (46:49):
And you know in the only.

Speaker 17 (46:50):
Name he mentioned as a Democrat, he'd be worried about.
So are you are you really? Are you really thinking
about running for president?

Speaker 1 (46:57):
Is this something you think?

Speaker 2 (46:58):
Listen, I've been.

Speaker 16 (47:01):
I have no choice because I've had elected officials and
I'm not going to give their names, elected officials coming
up to me. I've had folks who are pundits come
up to me. I've had folks.

Speaker 1 (47:10):
That got a lot of money.

Speaker 16 (47:12):
Billionaires and others that have talked to me about exploratory
committees and things of that nature. I'm not a politician.
I've never had a desire to be a politician. I
just signed a contract extension with ESPN. I am very
very good one too. With my day job. I'm very
happy with my bosses. Is a pretty damn good wee
just right, it's a pretty damn good contract.

Speaker 2 (47:29):
I couldn't be happier. But here's the reality.

Speaker 1 (47:32):
People, literally people will have walked up.

Speaker 16 (47:34):
To me, including my own pastor, for crying out loud,
who has said to me, you don't know what God
has planned for you. At least showed a respect to
the people who believe in you, who respect you. Who
believe that you can make a difference in this country,
to leave the door open.

Speaker 1 (47:48):
For any possibilities.

Speaker 2 (47:49):
Some of the three years down there.

Speaker 1 (47:50):
Good stuff, good stuff. So God again is in this
plan't you know? I love it when God sends those
memos that, you know, Steven Asmith, you've got to, you know,
leave the door open. Give me your thoughts on this.
And the only reason I would dignify this with even
a conversation this early. I know this is way way early.
But the other thing I think it reflects is sort
of where we are in American society, where celebrity really

(48:12):
trumps everything else. At Trump's public service, at Trump's policy,
He's totally out to lunch with that tariff bs. Like
if the Democrats had talked about tariffs, I mean, that
would have been one more thing. What are you doing
talking about tariff policy? It's not that, you know, again,
it's the celebrity that Trump brings when he talks about
tariff policy. It's the way he talks about it, talking
about being ripped off for years, et cetera. So but

(48:32):
the fact is, and then I'll shut up. I want
to get your thoughts. But the fact is the celebrity here, Gary,
I think is the thing that makes him the shimmering
object right now.

Speaker 8 (48:42):
Politically, well, let's honor those who bought the Judaic and
Christian face this week in their Holy Weeks and say,
as far as we can ascertain biblically, God is decidedly nonpartisan.

Speaker 11 (48:53):
Okay, So let's.

Speaker 8 (48:56):
Just cut him a brake here on Holy Week, Okay,
and say let's not. But it's interesting you'd bring that up,
because you know, that's a whole other show. We should
spend some time talking about the history of God in
modern American politics, because from black churches to the you know,
the Christian writer.

Speaker 11 (49:15):
And it's all over the mouth.

Speaker 8 (49:17):
But I think we can give God a pass on
whether he's behind one of these guys or not.

Speaker 11 (49:22):
But here's the thing.

Speaker 8 (49:24):
I think you're onto something mark about modern American politics.
Now this just try as best we can to take
the faces and the names off of this. But there's
another guy who had no political experience, was a TV
celebrity type person, and God elected president. There was also
another guy who was a movie star type person who

(49:46):
got elected California governor. And there was another guy who
got elected to both Now everybody knows I'm talking about
Ronald Reagan, Arnold Schwarzeger, Donald Trump. So should it surprise
us right now at this moment in history, with the
Democratic Party truly in its own estimations, floundering, and as
we talked about earlier in this segment, mark no clear

(50:09):
leadership stepping forward to do what Bernie Sanders is doing.
That there's a vacuum. And so Steven A. Smith has
made no bones. People love his kind of glibness, and
he's thoughtful, and he's challenging everybody's putting them.

Speaker 1 (50:23):
On their air.

Speaker 8 (50:24):
So you know, it doesn't surprise me that at this
point in time, establishment politics doesn't seem to be getting
it done on the right or the left for many people.

Speaker 1 (50:35):
Yeah, I think that's that's so well said. I mean,
it's not just the celebrity, it's the void. It's the
something's going to fill that void. And in this case
now in modern American politics, it can be a high
profile celebrity who speaks well, as you say, who's glib
and you know has some he's a rhetorical ninja in
a way. You know, he just will never he just
keeps moving forward. I now want to get to Bouquele

(50:59):
and Trump, who were at the White House together today
the l Salvadoran president saying, I couldn't return this guy
who was mistakenly imprisoned if I wanted to, and I
don't know how I do it, Am, I supposed to
smuggle him back to the US. I mean, it was
this weird kind of dance, but clearly Trump and he

(51:19):
were vibing, you know. And then Trump even opened the
door to perhaps the deportation of Americans who are guilty
of any number of crimes. We don't want them in
this country anymore. And if I can make that deal,
I got to check with tam BONDI, who want to
do it within the law. And the last thing I'll
say is they say they want to do it within

(51:40):
the law. But the law, the highest court in the land,
has said you've got to return that guy who was
deported mistakenly. And they're basically telling the court I can't
do it, and they're shining it on Yeah.

Speaker 8 (51:53):
Well, you know, at some point in time, we are
going to reach the you know, immovable object, unstoppable force
moment when the US Supreme Court says, and this might
be it, you got to do this and see and
we're gonna see who blinks. Right, is it gonna be

(52:13):
the Trump administration? I mean, I'm guessing that what these
two nations state heads are saying is, well, you know,
it's the prison system in Nel salvadors the courts, and
I'm the president, but you know, jurisdiction over the courts, and.

Speaker 11 (52:26):
YadA, YadA, YadA. They could get the guy back if
they needed to.

Speaker 8 (52:30):
I mean, let's just be honest about that, right, These
things have a way of being worked out. If the
US Supreme Court says it's got to happen, there's a
way to make it happen. I think the larger concern
and that isn't to minimize at all this individual or
his family and the other larger concerns about it. But
Trump floating the idea of incarcerating Americans on foreign soil

(52:53):
is a whole new ballgame.

Speaker 2 (52:55):
Right.

Speaker 8 (52:55):
That is something that I think US courts would have
a huge problem with. You're gonna start shipping US citizens,
you know, bonafi US citizens to incarcerate them and other countries.

Speaker 11 (53:07):
I just think that.

Speaker 8 (53:08):
Is a non starter from the US Supreme Court on down.

Speaker 11 (53:12):
Now, I'm not a legal mind.

Speaker 8 (53:13):
But I can tell you from a political point of
view as well as I understand it also about the judiciary,
that's just a non starter.

Speaker 1 (53:21):
Yeah, somebody in the chat agree. I mean, it seems
as though that's an extraordinary bridge too far. Although I
would have said that defying the Supreme Court in the
way that they were being openly defied today in that
meeting in the White House, that might have been a
bridge too far. I mean, it's in you know, the
Supreme Court hands down a decision saying you will facilitate

(53:44):
the return of this guy, and these two guys who
run these two countries of El Salvador and the US.
They basically saying, yeah, wish we could just really can't
get to it, you know, too busy.

Speaker 11 (53:57):
Well I don't think they said too busy.

Speaker 8 (53:59):
I think there's constraints that they believe prevent them from
doing so.

Speaker 1 (54:03):
But yeah, they didn't say too But but my point
is they kind of kind of claimed they sort of
they couldn't do it if they wanted to. Type thing.
He did say that I couldn't do it if I
wanted to.

Speaker 8 (54:12):
Yeah, well, that's that's going to be the argument, you
know about what they can and cannot do. But you know,
when you we were going to come to this moment.
At some point, we'll see where it goes.

Speaker 1 (54:21):
Hey, real quick, yes, sir.

Speaker 8 (54:23):
Back to that thing about celebrities, et cetera. I just
want to comment on this from a sociological perspective. Okay,
that's that's my undergrad background. The decline in the faith
of institutions is really what led to what we're talking
about now.

Speaker 11 (54:39):
In other words, the lack of faith.

Speaker 8 (54:41):
And this polling has been done now for decades, but
to continued decline in the faith of face of the
faith events in institutions, from political parties to court systems,
to Congress to the presidency is what has led us
to where we are now, where people even inside the
the traditional two party system are saying, you know, I

(55:03):
just don't know if those boys and girls can get
it done on either side, and so therefore the Trumps,
therefore the stephen A.

Speaker 2 (55:10):
Smith.

Speaker 8 (55:10):
I mean, I don't know where this leeds mark. I
think twenty eight is going to be a huge test
because we'll have open primaries for both political parties. You know,
there's not going to be a coronation of JD. Vance
everybody in the GOP is even making that clear. Trump
has even said that in so many words, So that
to me is going to be a real litmus test

(55:31):
about where we are as a nation going forward.

Speaker 1 (55:34):
I agree with you, I think the one thing that
and this is a very intriguing conversation actually could go
on for a while, But I feel as though the
fire of the government is flawed and they can't help you.
I feel that that was really lit by the GOP
in a big way. Reagan had the big the line,
which is, so what was it to the words that

(55:55):
you fear the most. I'm from the government and I'm
here to help you. I feel like that. I don't
mean to. I'm sorry to assign blame, but when blame
I think can be assigned, it should be assigned. And
I feel as though this is the culmination, if you will,
You're so right to, I think underscore the fact that
the confidence in government has been erosion, has been eroded.

(56:17):
But what you're seeing them going after now is institutions
that were working perfectly well. I mean, you know as
well as I do. The government does a lot of
great things and sort of running it down as a
bunch of incompetence and waste, et cetera. That's really not
fair to government, which does have incompetence and waste in it,
but it also does a lot of great things. So
now you get to Social Security. We've all paid into

(56:38):
social Security. This isn't some handout and this they have
slashed and burned this very dependable institution in American government
to the point that now there may be interruption in checks,
most certainly interruption in service. Speak to that, like the
next step that's happened. In addition to putting Trump and power,
you now have a real diminution government power and some

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of the most dependable institutions of government power.

Speaker 8 (57:05):
Yeah, let me get to the institutional problem in a second.
Let me say politically that Democrats have taken up that
same call with Trump back in office. There's questions that
they're raising, the questions, well, trust the courts? Should we
reform the Supreme Court?

Speaker 15 (57:20):
Right?

Speaker 8 (57:21):
That was a big conversation leading up to last year's election.
They're asking the questions, can you trust government under a
Trump administration? So that clarion call is going out on
both sides. Now, as far as the institutions go, here's
what we can pretty much from historical political perspectives, say,
for sure, if Social Security checks start being interrupted or

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major services that the average American counts on and knows
that the government at this juncture has to provide, that
is an absolute recipe for a complete wipeout of the
GOPE next year in the midterm elections.

Speaker 11 (57:58):
And in twenty eight.

Speaker 8 (57:59):
I mean, you know the old saw about SoC security
being the third rail, the untouchable electric rail and politics,
there's a lot of truth to that. And you know,
your political fortunes rise and fall about whether the average
person feels like what the government is doing right now
is helping them or hurting them.

Speaker 11 (58:21):
They determined last ball that the administration.

Speaker 8 (58:24):
In power was not helping them very much and in
fact probably hurting them to some degree. That's why they
voted Trump in you look at the exit polls, especially
when it came to young Latino and black males.

Speaker 11 (58:35):
That's what they were saying, Okay, they're not helping us.

Speaker 8 (58:37):
And the Democratic parties talking a good talk, but they're
not helping us. So I just sort of I sort
of say, you know, at your own peril, do you
risk the things that Americans really care about when it
comes to the ballot box.

Speaker 1 (58:51):
All right, my time with you is really out, and
I'm just going to ask you one last question, and
it's about the election and the election process, which I
think is going to become a really relevant here as
you suggest in the next couple of years. The new
election requirements the last name and you can you can
run through the dance again. They they've raised the bar

(59:13):
on your ability to vote in this country now in
a couple of interesting ways that require sort of in
person re registration and even in person oftentimes legal changing
of a last name. For example, I mean, so as

(59:34):
to represent a married woman's new name such that she
won't be disenfranchised. It's a weird thing because well you
know the story, the tradition of taking on the husband's name,
et cetera. So can you speak to the real impact
that we'll have, and again, maybe fill in a couple
of blanks I've left out if necessary.

Speaker 8 (59:54):
Yeah, Well, most of this is going to happen at
the state level, because a remindered people, we hold fifty
separate state elections to elected president, for example, we don't
hold one national one.

Speaker 11 (01:00:06):
That's why we have an electoral college.

Speaker 8 (01:00:08):
That's why you have state by state regulations on voting,
so there can't there's a likely mark to be a
successful edict from Washington that is able to change this
wholesale because there's a lot of power endowed to the
states to do this. All right, But what I think
you are going to see, and you already are seeing,
even in states like California, is a very paired back

(01:00:31):
version of this. For example, as simple as this, I'll
just end with this voter ID. Right, even in California,
I think there's a very good chance that we're going
to see a measure on the California ballot. You have
to have a government issued photo ID that shows you
are who you are when you walk into that polling place.
Because remember, in places like California, you even have same

(01:00:54):
day registration. So that's the buggaboo along with the voting
is registering. Endbody, I think you're going to see that
pick up some speed. There's a lot of polling that's
been done. The average person thinks, you know, that might
not be a bad idea at least that one thing.

Speaker 11 (01:01:11):
We'll see where that goes.

Speaker 1 (01:01:12):
Right, It does seem to pull pretty well, So you're right,
that's not some radioactive concept that there be some sort
of a voter id interesting then, of course many view
that as a voter suppression. Love our time together. I've
taken advantage of today. I think I kept a couple
of minutes late. Thank you so much. You can find

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Mark Thompson Show.

Speaker 12 (01:02:21):
It was great. I love it.

Speaker 13 (01:02:24):
How would you have this?

Speaker 8 (01:02:25):
We could try ignoring it.

Speaker 5 (01:02:26):
Sir, mining you cannot say you love your country?

Speaker 1 (01:02:31):
Where am I?

Speaker 3 (01:02:32):
We've smokers at stay at home and get baked.

Speaker 1 (01:02:36):
Loving it, loving it. Thank you for being here. We
are a live show this Monday. We come on Monday
through Friday two to four pm in the East, eleven
to one in the West. And it's so great to
have everybody joining us live. But most people listen and
watch after the fact in delay, So if you're one
of them, shout up to you. Really great stuff. I

(01:03:00):
did get Kim and Tony. I did get some blowback
in the Mark Thompson mail bag, and I did want
to share it.

Speaker 11 (01:03:08):
Have received a lot of positive letters.

Speaker 1 (01:03:12):
Yeah, well, this is to be fair to me, which
I hate to do. But there was a mis understanding,
I think, on some level about the fluoride thing that
we got off on last Wednesday. Floride was mentioned in

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a litany of things with respect to rfk JR. Rfk JR.
Don't support him, don't think he should be running that agency,
don't agree with him on VAX, don't agree with him
on any number of things. But floride in the water
was mentioned, and I said, I mean, I hate that

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I agree with him on this, but I just don't
think that there should be any additives that don't need
to be there in the water, and I heard from everybody,
you don't get it. You know, how can you, you know,
be so smart but also so stupid? Blah blah blah.

Speaker 3 (01:04:12):
So yeah, Mark, how can you be so smart and
so stupid?

Speaker 1 (01:04:17):
So yeah, it's yeah, it's all right. I just I don't.
I don't. I don't get it. You're right. So uh.
There was a a dude who's a dentist who reached
me a couple of people who were dentists, I think
a guy and uh lady dentist. The he says that essentially,

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you know, fluoridation is is a key part of keeping
America's dental health uh healthy, mm hmm. That's been the
on owing policy for a long time. But I would
say that that is missing the point of what I

(01:05:10):
was saying. And then somebody else wrote me a long email,
even longer than the dentists. I thought the dentists would
have like the ranking officers on deck when it came
to length of email. But somebody wrote me a super
long email detailing all of the different things that are
added in water. And the fact is, if you didn't

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have these additives in water, the water would make you
sick and could kill you. I wasn't saying that you
can't add anything to water. This person says, Remember Flint, Michigan.
How many people died, how many people suffered from lifetime disabilities.
Why because they took their water right out of the
river and neglected to add a chemical that kept lead

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in the pipes from leeching into the water. Your position
is that this was just fine as the water was treated. No,
that's not my position. What about hatchetchy water here in
the Bay area? This person's in the San Francisco Bay Area.
Untreated water from a hatchetchy contains, among other things, E. Coli, salmonilla,

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then the ter a bunch of other diseases that I
can't and that I or you know, things that I
bacterial pathogens that I don't can't pronounce, all removed by
both filtering and adding anti bacterials. I guess you're okay
letting all the bacteria find its way into your iced tea,

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he says, Mark, and he goes on and on and on.
He says, my point is that the water must be
treated or we'd all be in serious health situations like
many third world countries who don't have the resources to
treat water. I look at water treatment including fluoride and
a as a vaccine against dozens, if not hundreds of

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ailments and diseases. Thanks for listening. Dan from the Bay Area,
and he is an OG from the old KGO days,
and I think he's a supporter of the show. Let
me just again clarify this and then I we'll move on.
I believe that obviously you have to add things to
the water. You add a bunch of things to the
water to make it safe to drink. I get that.

(01:07:16):
What I'm saying is beyond that. I wouldn't add anything
to the water. I don't know about floride. Floride maybe
you know it's good for your teeth, great, I don't
want it added to my water. Vitamin C is great
for you. I mentioned this before. I interviewed and read
the books of Linus Pauling. Linus Pauling, he's a Nobel
Prize winning scientist who wrote literally chapter and verse about

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the power of vitamin C. Vitamin C can help you
through all kinds of things. It can help prevent all
kinds of illnesses. Should vitamin C be added to our water?
I mean, I don't want America to be a pilot
project on additives because at the time, the medical community felt, hey,
this is a really good thing to add because kid's
teeth will be much better or adult's teeth will be

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much better. I mean, are these the same doctors who
were smoking cigarettes in the sixties telling me that it
was safe. So all I'm saying is, you guys may
totally be right about the fluoride. I know they use
fluoride and they brush it in in a Detta's chair.
Clearly it has a positive effect, but you don't drink it.
They put it on your teeth, and then what do

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you do? You spit it out. There's a reason for that.
If it were so safe, then well, Mark, these are
very small amounts of fluoride in the water. Please don't
scare it. I'm not trying to scare anyone. Clearly, you
know people are living long lives and they're drinking this
water which has fluoride in it. I drink a ton
of water, and so maybe i'm, you know, the lab

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rat that is going to tell you. But I would
just say, if something is an additive that you don't
need in the water, then I just don't want it.
In the water. That's where I am. Okay, I'm all
for the purific I wasn't saying don't add anything. I
was saying, don't add something else that need not be added.
So thank you for your letters. Yeah, I'm with you, Jay,

(01:09:11):
not again, Mark? Really are we going to do this again? Yeah? Exactly, Mark, Mark,
what do you want it? Maybe you can be a
spokesperson for RFK Junior.

Speaker 9 (01:09:22):
Oh no, no, Yeah, what is this?

Speaker 1 (01:09:29):
My My ninety four year old grandmother drinks fluoride, lol,
says Northern Tier. Well that does it then, you know,
and I'm totally convinced. I just needed a one ninety
four year old who does it? So that thank you
for that. The Mark Thompson Show, Oh my god, I'll
tell you it's interesting always to see what lights up

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everybody you know anyway. Uh, but I will say that
I've heard some really well reasoned arguments for adding the
fluoride from our audience, from dentists and also from just
people who seem to know the area pretty well. My

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thing is, I just wish, you know, we didn't need
to uh, we didn't need to add anything.

Speaker 9 (01:10:17):
So I also got a letter from a dentist after
your your rant on fluoride with.

Speaker 11 (01:10:22):
I've received a lot of positive letters.

Speaker 3 (01:10:24):
Okay, yeah, it even blew over to me a little bit.

Speaker 9 (01:10:27):
And uh, this dentist said, as long as I have
my children brushed twice a day with toothpaste containing fluoride,
they will be fine.

Speaker 1 (01:10:37):
Yeah, and here is thank you. That is the last
thing I would say, is and what do they do,
as I say, after they've brushed with fluoride, They spit
it out. They don't swallow it.

Speaker 2 (01:10:49):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:10:50):
So when it comes to adding something, says Harry Magden
with a five dollars super Chat, when it comes to
adding something to water, I like herbcane suggestion ad vitamin V.

Speaker 3 (01:11:04):
I don't know the reference. What's vitamin V.

Speaker 1 (01:11:10):
The science is ridiculous. I don't know. I love it.
I love it. Uh, vodka can't.

Speaker 3 (01:11:19):
Drink of choice, the vodka martini he called fight.

Speaker 1 (01:11:21):
I was gonna say, you gotta be vodka, right right, right,
right right? Uh yeah, everybody's got it in the chat
or viagra, say is rich there you go whatever your whatever,
your you know, choice, whatever your your poisoning choice is
all right. But that was it from the Uh. Those
are a few of the uh, the emails I got.
Our email is the Mark Thompson Show at gmail dot com.

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If you're trying to get in touch, we are.

Speaker 2 (01:11:46):
Mark Thompson Show.

Speaker 1 (01:11:47):
We're always open too to take in what you have
to say. The terror war, it is not something that
the GOP is agreed upon. In fact, there are high
profile gopeers who are pushing back against the president's tariff
for just in general, what's the strategy seems to be

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the most common question being asked. It's being asked by everyone.
You heard Elizabeth Warren this week on one of the
Sunday shows talking about it. You hear GOP senators and
congress people, particularly senators, asking these questions. So Senator Ron
Johnson says he wants to know the endgame for Trump's

(01:12:31):
tariff plan. He was on the News Nation and he
says that businesses are looking for certainty. Of course, the
one thing you don't get from this administration in any
way is certainly there's a ninety day pause on the
higher what are being called reciprocal tariffs, even though they're
not for selected countries. But after that, it suggested that

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there are going to be any number of additional tariffs,
not just the tariffs that Trump was talking about, but
specific sectors of the economy and of the imports will
be targeted. Let's get to some video. I believe this
is rand Paul pushing back on the president's plan.

Speaker 18 (01:13:13):
Go ahead, Tony, How did we all get here? I mean,
the whole debate is so fundamentally backwards and upsides down.

Speaker 1 (01:13:22):
It's based on a fallacy.

Speaker 18 (01:13:24):
And the fallacy is this that somehow in a trade
someone must lose.

Speaker 1 (01:13:29):
That somehow when you trade with someone.

Speaker 18 (01:13:31):
There's a loser, and someone's taking advantage of you, and
China's ripping you off or Japan's ripping you off. It's
absolutely a fallacy. Every trade that occurs in the marketplace
is mutually beneficial. If you have a free society and
I trade with you, if you want to sell me
your coat and I give you two hundred dollars for it,
we both agree to.

Speaker 3 (01:13:50):
It and we're both happy with the trade.

Speaker 18 (01:13:52):
No American consumer trades with China. They trade with Walmart,
or they may buy something from China, but they individually
buy something they want and they make a decision.

Speaker 1 (01:14:02):
The trade is.

Speaker 12 (01:14:03):
Always a win win.

Speaker 18 (01:14:04):
Now, you could artificially do this accounting between countries and say, oh,
trade deficit. Look at this trade deficit, but I have
a trade deficit at my grocery store the people.

Speaker 1 (01:14:13):
Who employ me.

Speaker 18 (01:14:14):
If I work for Corvette and they employ me, they
have a trade deficit with my labor. They buy my
labor and I never buy their cars. You can have
this artificial accounting and it makes it look like a
bad thing, But you have to ask yourself is trade.

Speaker 11 (01:14:28):
Good or bad?

Speaker 2 (01:14:30):
And if you look at the.

Speaker 18 (01:14:30):
Trade deficit in times of a recession, the trade deficit
goes down. So if the terrorists pushes into recession, we
could reduce the trade deficit because we're all buying less stuff.
We have to get back to the fundamentals of is
trade good or is trade bad?

Speaker 1 (01:14:46):
Yeah, there you go. I mean I think that really
reflects what is a strong feeling on the part of gopers.
Even that's why this is notable. You know that in
his own party, the president is getting pushed back. The
other places getting pushed back. Of course, pushback is coming
from Wall Street. Business owners and small business people are

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being crushed by this. There is no way to plan
when you don't know when a tariff is going to happen.
And how big a tariff will be levied. These are
import taxes. We call them tariffs, but they're import taxes, right,
So I'm paying a tax for that import and when

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I don't know what it is, I have no way
to plan in the future. Plus I have no way
to source that material from maybe a nation or a
place where the import tax is lower. Because it looks
like they're constantly refiguring these things in ninety days, We're
going to have another group here is Elizabeth Warren on

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this issue.

Speaker 19 (01:15:50):
Got to say saying, well, I will continue to make
those decisions that I'm going to hold off on these
tariffs for ninety days. That doesn't put the economy in
a better place. That doesn't put investors in a better place.
Congress has a job right now, and that is to
step up and take this authority away from Donald Trump.

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He has proven how he will use it. But remember
the statute that he's now using starts with a declaration
of emergency, and in that same statue, Congress has the
responsibility to decide is it really an emergency or not?
Are we really in an emergency with Belgium right now?
Are we really in an emergency with South Korea. Congress

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can say no, there's no emergency, it's a resolution, and
if we do that, it takes Donald Trump back to
the trade as we had it before, and tariffs are
then decided with Congress having an important say in it.
And that's an important signal to the rest of the world.
Right now, it's a no curbs on Donald Trump, and

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that means chaos and corruption. We have an opportunity in
Congress to vote that down and to say no, we
are going to use tariffs in a far more targeted way.

Speaker 12 (01:17:09):
We're sure not headed.

Speaker 19 (01:17:10):
In the direction he wants to go. All of the
Democrats are ready to support that, but we got to
get the Republicans, or at least some of the Republicans
on board, to.

Speaker 12 (01:17:21):
Make that happen.

Speaker 19 (01:17:22):
They've got to decide is their job just to suck
up to Donald Trump or is their job to stand
up for the American people, Jamie.

Speaker 1 (01:17:32):
So that's the legislative angle on it, which is that
all this power to levy these import tariffs, these import taxes,
all that power was seated to Donald Trump, and Congress
never should have seated that the declaration of a national emergency.

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You know, Donald Trump is declaring these emergencies, so he
has the power of the presidency to then do any
number of things. In this case, it's tariffs. She's saying,
we need to take that back because that is essentially
opening the door to this ridiculousness which is all residing

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in Donald Trump, who doesn't really have a plan. He
just knows. I wake up one day and I want
one hundred and forty percent tariff on China and Vietnam.
It's not even computed correctly. As you know, we've been
over this and done it chapter in verse. But this
herky jerky total ineptitude is destroying the American economy and

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destroying world economies. So she's saying, take the power back.

Speaker 3 (01:18:48):
Is that realistic? Though?

Speaker 9 (01:18:49):
Do you see the GOP standing up and saying, no, Trump,
We're going to handle this now.

Speaker 1 (01:18:57):
Yeah? I don't. I don't. I mean I think that
they've really seated power. As I say to this guy,
and he's pretty well controlling things. I'm halting now because
I'm thinking, how long will it take when you run
the American economy completely off the road. Then you're going
to see Congress step up because Trump will become politically

(01:19:21):
more radioactive but here is that the politics of it.
But here's the reality. Once you've seated a bunch of
power to him, it's tough to get it back. And
I'd say be careful. It already may be something as
you say, I mean, could they take it back today? No,
there just isn't the coalition on the GOP side. So

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we'll see. I mean, they've really thrown their lot in
with Donald Trump. But he doesn't know what he is doing.
I mean, he is just a guy at the switch
and you know, he's flying a plane. He has no
idea how to fly. It scary. So this is funny.
Trevor Starr in Hollywood says, remember Trump is seventy eight

(01:20:07):
years old, but the seven is silent. It is they
are the fits and starts of an adolescent, you know
what I mean, somebody who doesn't know anything. But just
with the petulance, you know, and the anger just says,
I'm going to double your tearaff. You know I'm gonna.
And so essentially you've shut down trade with China, right,

(01:20:28):
you really have. And the last thing I'll say about
the China thing is China doesn't want to call Donald Trump,
and China isn't going to call Donald Trump. There's this
sense somehow everybody I know is coming to try to
make a deal with the US, and that in itself
is awful. She's right. It opens the door to corruption

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on a massive scale. It's basically that pay to play
that I talk about on the show all the time.
It's the self enrichment. It's a trinage system. Right, I'll
make an exception for you. I'll make an exception for you.
I just made an exception for Apple. And there are
carve outs and exceptions for all of these different constituencies.
Those constituencies that money the chief executive or give him

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an interest in another way that we his beak. And
this is the new setup that I believe just leads
to an unbridled corruption further than we've even seen. What
else do you have for me, Tony? Go ahead? Maybe

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I thought you had. Yeah, that's right, So let's start
with that. I'm gonna let this run stop for a second, Tony.
I'm gonna let this run. But what I want you
to hear Lutnik is a cheerleader, and he's supposed to
be the Secretary of Commerce, and he is a cheerleader.

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Without explanation, without planning, without a blueprint, without a perspective
that makes any sense. Nothing you can plan on. But
listen to him repeat like some kind of refrain in
the song he sings all the time about Donald Trump.

(01:22:18):
Is great. It's going to be a great plan. We're
all going to be dancing in your mansion. It's all
gonna work out so great. Go ahead, Tony, I won't
interrupt again.

Speaker 2 (01:22:26):
I'll stalk without news.

Speaker 17 (01:22:27):
Lefari that this exemption on electronics, smartphones, laptop computers and
the like.

Speaker 12 (01:22:32):
What's the thinking why the exemption?

Speaker 15 (01:22:36):
Well, if you remember, over the past couple of months,
President Trump has called out pharmaceuticals and semiconductors and autos.
He called them sector tariffs, and those are.

Speaker 12 (01:22:49):
Not available for negotiation.

Speaker 15 (01:22:51):
They are just going to be part of making sure
we resure the core national security items that need to
be in this country. We need to make medicine in
this country. We learned it during COVID. We need to
make it in this country. We need to make semiconductors
because if we don't own semiconductors here. Remember all virtually

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all semiconductors are made now in Taiwan, and they're finished
in China. It's important that we reassure them. And so
the President is going to come out with his policies
on semiconductors and pharmaceuticals. They're going to be outside the
reciprocal tariffs. And he was just making sure everyone understood
that all of these products are outside the reciprocal tariffs

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and they are going to have their own separate way
of being considered.

Speaker 17 (01:23:37):
But wait a minute, I'm asking you about the exemption,
not about I mean the notice that went out Friday
night saying that electronics, a wide range of electronics, including smartphones,
including components used to make microchips, that these are now
exempt from the reciprocal tariffs.

Speaker 2 (01:23:58):
Why that move?

Speaker 1 (01:24:01):
I used to think that spring cl Yeah, we have
to the interruption, but continued now, so this is Howard
Lutnick on this.

Speaker 15 (01:24:10):
Well, remember those products are going to be part of
the semiconductor sectoral tariffs which are coming. So you're going
to see this week there'll be a register in the
Federal Registry. There'll be a notice put out that is
different types of work. So we're going to do that.
We did that in autos. The President's going to do

(01:24:31):
it for pharmaceuticals. And he is going to do it
for semiconductors. So all those products are going to come
under semiconductors and they're going to have a special focused
type of tariff to make sure that those products get reshort.
We need to have semiconductors, we need to have chips,
and we need to have flat panels. We need to
have these things made in America. We can't be reliant

(01:24:51):
on Southeast Asia for all of the things that operate
for us. So what he's doing is he's saying they're
exempt from the reciprocal tariffs, but they're included in the
semiconductor tariffs, which are coming in probably a month or two.
So these are coming soon. You shouldn't think this is
really outside of it. Really think of it as being

(01:25:13):
included in the semiconductor space, much like pharmaceuticals. Okay, sir,
special attention, and the President.

Speaker 2 (01:25:20):
Is on it.

Speaker 17 (01:25:21):
So you're saying that the big tariffs on things like
smartphones and laptops, iPhones, all those iPhones built in China,
that those tariffs are temporarily off, but they're going to
be coming right back on in another form in a
month or so or what are you saying?

Speaker 12 (01:25:41):
Correct? That's right, that's right. Semiconductors and pharmaceuticals will.

Speaker 15 (01:25:45):
Have a tariff model in order to encourage them to
re sure to be built in America. We need our medicines,
and we need semiconductors and our electronics to be built
in America. We can't be the hold and rely upon
foreign countries for fundamental things that we need. We can't
be relying on China for fundamental things that we need.

(01:26:07):
Our medicines and our semiconductors need to be built in America.
Donald Trump is on it. He's calling that out. So
you should understand. These are included in the semiconductor tariffs
that are coming, and the pharmaceuticals are coming. Those two
areas are coming in the next month or two. So
this is not like a permanent sort of exemption. He's
just clarifying that these are not available to be negotiated

(01:26:31):
away by countries. These are things that are national security
that we need to be made in America.

Speaker 1 (01:26:38):
Okay, So let me just say this. If you didn't
understand that, there's a reason because he doesn't know what
he's talking about. He literally is just making it up.
He's flying, truly by the seat of his pants. On
this because he's basically saying, oh, the President made these
exceptions because he doesn't want he wants to let everybody
know that those aren't negotiable. But they you know, in

(01:27:01):
another ninety days, we're going to have another set. We
have the pharmaceuticals, we have a semiconductors. There is no
coherence here. Even if you take what this guy just says,
and as I say, he is just the great American
BS machine. It is somebody said in the chat blah
blah blah bs Uncle Russ, thank you very much. That's

(01:27:22):
what that was the administration. If you take what that
guy just said, Ludnik, so you're telling me, then you're
going to tariff semiconductors. You're going to teariff chips coming
into this country. You're going to teariff the component parts
of these things that are used here and then assembled

(01:27:46):
to make a product that is purchased by Americans. Why then,
am I incentivized as the entity putting these component parts
together to keep my factory in this country. Why don't
I move it offshore? That way I can get my
component parts from all of these different places and it

(01:28:06):
won't be tariffed. If I keep my factory which puts
together all these component parts in this country. All the
component parts are now insanely expensive, and my product no
one's going to buy, and it's going to be too expensive,
so I should offshore it where I can get all
those component parts cheaper. That's just one thing that is
crazy about what this guy's just said. His entire dance

(01:28:31):
is BS, and all of them are speaking BS because
they're covering their butts for a guy who doesn't know
what he's going to do hour to hour and is
completely motivated by this world of frankly corruption and ingratiation,
you know, where people just come to essentially kiss the ring.

(01:28:54):
It's got to be a great feeling phones ringing off
the hook. But as we told you the other day,
it took two years to make the trade deal with
Canada and Mexico. Now you've got the phone ringing off
the hook. You've got fifty to ninety even more trade
deals to make. You don't have that kind of time,
or you've got to be on the golf course. So
I don't know what the plan is here. There is

(01:29:15):
no endgame that makes sense, and these guys know it.
And the last thing I'll say on this for I
watch it got one other video. The last thing I'll
say is Europe and many of the powerful countries around
the world, they're not down with the ingratiation game. They're
not down with begging for some kind of American policy

(01:29:37):
that favors them. They may do it in the short term,
but that's not a long term plan, plain and simple.
The Economists did a great article on just this thing
I'm talking about. Europe and other countries around the world
are making other trade plans. America is going to be
cut out of it. This isolationism is a bad idea.
It's easy to take a chance on the economy. Oh
I missed the last part when it won't affec Ludnik

(01:30:01):
and company. Thank you. These are billionaires you hear Ludnik speak.
I don't know how he got to be a billionaire,
I really don't, but he is. And it's the billionaires
boys club that runs the Trump administration. Now to CNN
and polling, which shows that the American public is beginning
to turn in some big ways on this Donald Trump policy.

(01:30:23):
Then we'll move on. Take a look.

Speaker 20 (01:30:25):
So obviously it had Joe Biden before you had Donald Trump,
and of course Donald Trump would say, you know, Joe
Biden left us in a horrible state, and I have
to help dig us out of it. All right, So
let's take a look here, more responsible for the state
of the economy or the economic state. In March, CBS
News asked about inflation, and thirty eight percent said it
was Joe Biden who was more responsible. Compare it to
thirty four percent who said Donald Trump. Let's jump forward

(01:30:47):
to now in the month of April, look at this number.
Fifty four percent of Americans say that Donald Trump is
more to blame for the state of the economy than
Joe Biden. Joe Biden's numbers fallen from thirty to twenty
one percent. Donald Trump main tried to blame Joe Biden
for this, and maybe that was working a month ago,

(01:31:08):
in the month of March, but since the tariffor has begun,
it's not working anymore. Americans are not buying what Donald
Trump is selling them. They believe the clear majority fifty
four percent, that Donald Trump is more to blame for
the state of the economy at this point than Joe
Biden is.

Speaker 1 (01:31:23):
Jessica.

Speaker 19 (01:31:24):
That is interesting to see how that evolves just in
the last month really, how are they viewing tariffs?

Speaker 20 (01:31:31):
Yeah, okay, so obviously the big the big thing when
it comes to the state of the economy right now
for Donald Trump is tariff. So let's take a look here,
all right, the tariff plan, new tariff's on important goods,
a post versus favor. You go back to January. Look
at this, forty eight percent said they favored these new tariffs,
these Donald Trump tariffs, compared to forty six percent of

(01:31:52):
a post.

Speaker 1 (01:31:53):
Look at where we.

Speaker 20 (01:31:53):
Are now in the CBS News. You go, Paul a switcheroo, Jessica,
a switcheroo. The clear majority eight percent of Americans oppose
these new tariffs compared to just forty two percent who
favor him. Again, this is part of the picture that
we've seen throughout this presentation, right, Jessica. More and more
people are turning against Donald Trump. Their views of the

(01:32:15):
economy are getting worse. They are holding.

Speaker 3 (01:32:17):
Donald Trump responsible.

Speaker 20 (01:32:18):
And when it comes to his signature issue so far
in his second term, tariffs, I mean, my goodness, gracious,
that trend line is ridiculously awful for Trump. The opposition
number from forty six to fifty eight in the favor
from forty eight to forty two, Americans have switched on
a dime on the economy on Donald Trump, in large
part because of the tariffs, which they increasingly do not like.

Speaker 1 (01:32:41):
Thank you very much for that, Tony. I So I
think that the tide is turning. I mean, he really
I don't know that guy on CNN, but he really
sells it. I think it will get even worse as
you begin to see really the inflationary spiral will be pronounced.
But I want to go back to Howard Lutnik and
what he was saying about. But you know, we want

(01:33:01):
to get semiconductors and chips manufactured and done here in
this country. We don't want to be dependent on the
supply chain the way we were in COVID. He might
have said that so many times that you began to like, figure, wow,
they must rehearse this or must be a talking point.
And it is laudable. I mean he said it over

(01:33:23):
and over because you know, it lands well, because it
makes sense, right, the idea somehow that we should produce
semiconductors in this country, that there should be manufacturing and
research done in this country, and we shouldn't be beholden
and dependent on China or any other nation to provide
these things that we might need in the case of
an emergency, and pharmaceuticals fall into the same category, and

(01:33:44):
we saw it in the supply chain. The only problem
with that is what we had that we had the
Chips Act under Biden that was designed to do just
what Lutning was talking about to on shore, and it
was done with federal money. Was a two hundred and
eighty billion dollars boosting US semiconductor manufacturing, research and workforce development.

(01:34:09):
Those are the primary goals of the Chips and Science
Act to reduce the nation's reliance on foreign made chips,
strengthen global supply chains, and revitalize American semiconductor production. It's
right there. Trump undid it because it's Biden, the same
way he undid the Iran nuclear deal because it was Obama.

(01:34:33):
The reality is we were on track to do those
things that let think is talking about. We were also
on track with a really good economy, best in the
developed world. That all seems like ancient history because it's
changed just in the last two months. He made exemptions
on all these electronics because Apple and others got to him.

(01:34:53):
But screw the rest of us, says Carol Perkins. I
think he's He's all over the place, which is why
you just don't know what's going to happen next. But
I do think there is increasing pushback from his own party.
There'll be increasing pushback from the US electorate, and on
some level that will affect his own party as well.

(01:35:16):
So all of that's still to come. I mean, I
think those developments will happen over the next few months.
The last thing, and it's been kind of advertised, this
is Ray Dalio, the hedge fund investor who is famous
for some pretty bold predictions. I have a few of
his books around this house somewhere, and here he was.

(01:35:39):
I forget exactly where he was talking. Might have been
that important anyway. This is Dlio on Meet the Press.
I think it was on his sense of the futures.
This just was yesterday.

Speaker 21 (01:35:49):
I'm talking about a recession. Do you think it is
likely that the United States will dip into a recession?

Speaker 1 (01:35:56):
Careful you're here in Paris.

Speaker 22 (01:35:57):
I think that right now we are at a decision
making point and very close to recession, and I'm worried
about something worse than a recession. If this isn't handled well.
A recession is two negative quarters of GDP, and whether
it goes slightly there, we always have those things. We

(01:36:18):
have something that's much more profound. We have a breaking
down of the monetary order. We are going to change
the monetary order because we cannot spend.

Speaker 12 (01:36:28):
The amounts of money. So we have that problem.

Speaker 22 (01:36:30):
And when we talk about the dollar and we talk
about tariffs, we have that. We are having profound changes
in our domestic order, how ruling is existing, and we're
having profound changes in the world order. Such times are
very much like the nineteen thirties. I've studied history and
this repeats over and over again. So if you take tariffs,

(01:36:52):
if you take debt, if you take the rising power
challenging the existing power, if you take those factors and
look at the path, those changes.

Speaker 12 (01:37:02):
In the orders the systems are very very disruptive.

Speaker 22 (01:37:06):
How that's handled could produce something that is much worse
than a recession, or it could be handled.

Speaker 12 (01:37:12):
Well, let's take the debt situation.

Speaker 21 (01:37:15):
I'm sorry, go ahead, well very quickly, because I want
to be very specific about what you mean. You're saying
worse than recession. You're saying this is reminiscent of the
nineteen thirties. We should tell our viewers you correctly predicted
the two thousand and eight financial crisis. What is your
prediction for where the country is headed right now?

Speaker 12 (01:37:33):
Right now, we're at a juncture. Let's take the budget.

Speaker 22 (01:37:38):
The budget deficit can be reduced to three percent of GDP,
it's about it will be about seven percent.

Speaker 12 (01:37:44):
This is things are not changed.

Speaker 22 (01:37:46):
If it could be reduced to about three percent of
GDP and these trade deficits and so on are managed
in the right way, this could all be managed very well.
I believe that members of Congress should take the pledge,
what I called the three percent pledge, that in one
way or another, that they will get that budget deficit

(01:38:06):
down to that number. If they don't, we're going to
have a supplied demand problem for debt at the same
time as we have these other problems, and the results
of that will be worse than a normal recession.

Speaker 21 (01:38:18):
And just to follow up on that point, worse than
a recession. You're talking about the nineteen thirties, What specifically
are you warning of Are you saying that it could
be as bad as a depression? What's your biggest fear.

Speaker 12 (01:38:31):
The value of money.

Speaker 22 (01:38:33):
What is a storehold of wealth that is a bond
In other words, one man's debt is another man's assets
bond holders. And so we're going to be in a
situation where if that storehold of wealth is in jeopardy
because there's too much supply and demand and so on,
and we have a monetary inflation, we will have great disruptions.

(01:38:56):
And that could be like the breakdown of the monetary
system seventy one, it could be like two thousand and eight.

Speaker 12 (01:39:01):
It's going to be very severe.

Speaker 22 (01:39:03):
I think it could be more severe than those if
these other matters simultaneously occur. Imagine if we have a
downter politically, an international conflict at.

Speaker 21 (01:39:16):
What's worst case scenario that you're warning of, to be
very specific, to be very.

Speaker 22 (01:39:22):
Specific, the value of the value of money, internal conflict
that is not the normal democracy as we know it,
an international conflict in a way that is highly disruptive
to the world economy, and could even be a military conflict.

(01:39:46):
Just as these breakdowns have occurred before. You know, we
have a new order that began in nineteen forty five,
a new monetary order and a new geopolitical order, and
these go in cycles that can be made measured, and
I worry about the breakdown of that kind of in order,
particularly since it doesn't need to happen, because there are

(01:40:08):
certain things that could be done in which this is better,
a better restructuring of these debts.

Speaker 21 (01:40:14):
So that takes me to my next question. You have
this book How Countries Go Break.

Speaker 1 (01:40:18):
I'm going to stop it there. I mean, it's getting
a little bit in the weeds, but but you get
the general sense. He's being very careful about what he says.
For Daalio, a lot of his stuff is informed by
the debt, and it's important. I think he touched on
something that it's huge. You know, I mentioned this to
you last week. It's rid of the thing that got
Trump to, you know, pause those tariffs. It was the

(01:40:39):
bond market. It's the treasury bond market, which has always
been in America, in the world. American bonds, treasury bills
are gold. They are the safest haven in a violent, changing,
unpredictable world. Our t bonds are the thing that everybody
rushes to. That's why so much of our debt is

(01:41:01):
all over the world, because this is viewed as a
stable economy in general, A stable political system, in jail
and in general, and as a place to put money
where it will be safe. It's always viewed those treasury
bills that they become a place where you can park
big amounts of money and not have to worry. The

(01:41:23):
government of America isn't going to default. The government America
isn't going anywhere. And as they say, there's a solidity
to everything, well now you don't have that. You had
panic in the markets last week around that, around the
bond market, and that's what's happening in increasing ways to

(01:41:43):
undercut the faith that the world has in America. It
was front page of the New York Times today. Trump
here you go, Trump tariffs shake faith in the safety
of US bonds. I still get the paper, I know,
but it's a real thing. And so when you talk

(01:42:06):
about your debt and essentially writing checks that you can't cover,
you need to lay that debt off. And there may
be increasing challenges in finding entities countries that will take
that US debt. So all of these things are working,
That's what Dalio was saying. In the midst of everything else,
he was saying, there's going to be a crisis of
confidence in the bond markets, and you may not be

(01:42:29):
able to lay that debt off, and meantime you're just
running up more and more debt like it's business as
usual and you cannot do that anyway. Newspaper, what's that exactly?

Speaker 2 (01:42:40):
Thank you?

Speaker 1 (01:42:42):
All right? I wanted to get to Bill Maher, So
should we pivot to that, Kim? I feel like that's
something I should do. Yeah, all right, So before I do,
I want to thank you all for being here our
live show, which is taken in on delay by most
of you, but we show appreciate you being here. Surf

(01:43:03):
and Tumbleweed with a five dollars twenty cent uh super chat.
The Edge of Space Chicks got upstage by the Julian
five point two earthquake. Yeah, earthquake. That's right. There was
an earthquake in San Diego this morning. We mentioned it.
Do we mention it on the air? Maybe mentioned off

(01:43:23):
the air? I don't know if I mentioned it too.

Speaker 3 (01:43:25):
I know we were talking about it before we started.

Speaker 1 (01:43:26):
Yeah, before we started. Sorry if we didn't, If we
neglected to mention it, yeah, I think there was some shaking.
I don't think there was any destruction right that I saw.

Speaker 3 (01:43:36):
I think a lot of people felt that one it
was kind of big.

Speaker 1 (01:43:38):
Hey, five to two is getting serious.

Speaker 7 (01:43:41):
Yeah, a friend who lives in Chula Vista, I said, yeah,
he heard like it was at his print shop. He
thought someone ran he drove into his door. He thought
someone drove into He's like, what the hell? He's like, oh,
was an earthquake, because at first he thought, like said,
it's not like someone drove into his metal door.

Speaker 9 (01:43:58):
They've had some aftershocks as well. One of them are
three point nine and they say there are reports of
minor damage but no reports of injury.

Speaker 1 (01:44:06):
Wow. What a what a scary time. Boy, that really
reminds you, you know, in the middle of everything else,
it's a Mother Nature grind threes. We're going to get
one more.

Speaker 12 (01:44:21):
Right.

Speaker 1 (01:44:21):
Oh my god, I thank you for the encouraging word, Tony. Really,
I was going to play for you. Oh. By the way,
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Coachella is the scene of the Bernie Sanders attended rally.
But I did want to mention that I love my

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(01:45:06):
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Speaker 3 (01:45:38):
What needs to send us a picture from the coffee shop?

Speaker 1 (01:45:41):
Oh yeah you should. If you do go by there,
Cliff is there. You'll have to get in touch with them.
You could call him or something. Maybe my coffee and
tea order coming today, says Becky. Love that by now
before the tariffs kick in, says John Watson. Yes, there
I am with Cliff, and Cliff is the coolest guy

(01:46:05):
and he's just like one of those guys like you know.
This was so grateful for this, so grateful for those
people who have a lot of grace about them. That's
who he is.

Speaker 9 (01:46:13):
So how did they get you out of that place?
I'm sure you never wanted to leave the minute you
walked in and smelled the coffee.

Speaker 1 (01:46:18):
Oh my god, it smells like heaven out there. Wow.
Now they hand roast all the coffee. Everyone, this is
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beans definitely on the internet, but those that's not fresh
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(01:46:39):
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Speaker 2 (01:47:00):
Enjoyed its Mark Tumpson's show.

Speaker 1 (01:47:12):
Well, Bill Maher I went to the White House and
was astounded that Donald Trump was nice. Yeah. Bill Maher
really was taken in by Donald Trump. He was expecting,
I guess, some kind of monstrous guy. But Bill Maher

(01:47:33):
found not a monstrous guy, but a nice guy. Bill
Maher says that he laughed at himself a bit, that
he seemed totally engaged. It was I want to run
some of what he said about it, but if I do,
I'll be demonetized, so I can't. So all I will

(01:47:55):
say is that what if you, Bill Maher, you're a
guest in the White House, he expected him to dress
you down.

Speaker 9 (01:48:05):
I mean, doesn't matter how nice the guy is in person,
if he wants it. He then turns around and says
he wants to deport American citizens, Like.

Speaker 1 (01:48:14):
What, Yeah, of course, you're exactly right.

Speaker 3 (01:48:17):
It's that's not very nice.

Speaker 2 (01:48:19):
Mark.

Speaker 1 (01:48:19):
What's interesting to me about this is that he dumped
on Heraldo Rivera, who made the point that Donald Trump
is a nice guy in person. When Rivera was making
this point on the air with Mar and Mar this
is a few years ago, and Mar said, I don't

(01:48:40):
care if he's a nice guy. You know, he's he's
destroying the world or whatever. He said something to that effect.
And now Bill Maher goes to the White House, and
now he's the one saying, Wow, he's a nice guy,
and the rest of us are saying, I don't care
if he's a nice guy in person. Of course, he's
a nice guy person he's hosting you for dinner.

Speaker 3 (01:49:02):
And not always.

Speaker 9 (01:49:03):
I mean he's a nice guy to Bill Maher because
Bill Maher is an old white guy. He's not nice
to people who are disabled. He's not necessarily nice to women.
He's not necessarily nice to people who he believes are
or perceives are beneath him in some way. He's nice
to Bill Mark because Bill Maher is a celebrity and
he's a white guy, and he showed up at the
White House.

Speaker 3 (01:49:21):
That's all.

Speaker 1 (01:49:23):
Now, mar I thought would have a sense of self
awareness maybe be the way to term it that would
allow for the fact that, you know, two things can
be true. One is that he's ingratiating and charming in

(01:49:45):
a one on one situation or in a dinner situation,
where a hosting situation. I mean, he is a performer,
he really is. Everything about Trump is very performative, and
he's a TV star while also being this guy who
cooks up these horrible policies that are, as you suggested,

(01:50:06):
Kim unconstitutional, illy go loathsome and grotesque, not to mention
completely ill informed. So this guy's worldview hasn't changed. He's
just had an interaction with Bill maher over a couple
of hours.

Speaker 9 (01:50:24):
I love what joy Fox says. Olberman said, Mar said
the same thing back in twenty sixteen when he met Trump.
Then he was mad because he felt betrayed by his
actions in his first term.

Speaker 1 (01:50:34):
Whatever. Yeah, I mean I think Mark can go through it.
You know, Mar has kind of lost the plot and
you could say he was gas lit by Trump. He
you know, he I just want to I really liked him.
He later added, why can't we get the guy I
met to be the public guy? Well, it's it's not

(01:50:56):
a question of even the public guy, it's public policy.
Why can't public policy reflect the grace and apparently, as
you say, sort of the well mannered, even balanced attitude
that you saw at dinner. Why can't we get public
policy like that? We get extreme prejudicial policy that is

(01:51:23):
also outrageous, unprecedented, and insanely destructive. Kid Rock set the
meeting up. Also, Dana White was there, the UFC CEO,
and Trump supposedly is still going to be held to
account by Bill Maherr. But he I'm looking at the

(01:51:48):
I'll just read. He also made fun of himself because
Mar had made fun of him along the way Trump
and so he says, I'm not the leader of anything.
This is from Mars actual show. I'm not the leader
of anything, Mars said, except maybe a contingent of centrist

(01:52:09):
minded people who think there's got to be a better
way of running this country than hating each other every minute.
Mars says, a lot of that stuff. That's kind of
the both sides ism that Trump really counts on and
that Mar really delivers every week. Okay, so meet up
in person. Maybe it'll be different. Spoiler alert, it was,
he says. First good sign. Before I left for the Capitol,

(01:52:31):
I had my staff collect and print out this list
of almost sixty different insulting epithets that the President said
about me, things like stupid, dummy, low life, dummy, sleeves
bag six, sad stone cold, crazy, really a dumb guy,
fired like a dog, his show is dead. I brought

(01:52:51):
this to the White House because I wanted him to
sign it, which he did, which he did with good humor,
Mars says, And I know, as I say that, millions
of liber sphincters just tightened. Oh my god, Bill, are
you going to say something nice about him. What I'm
going to do is report exactly. Mars says, what happened,
You decide what you think about it. If that's not enough,

(01:53:11):
pure Trump hate for you, I don't give up right. So, no,
I didn't go maga, he says, and to the President's credit,
there was no pressure to. After we left the Oval office,
he showed me the little room off the office, you
know the way the Clinton used to you know, the
room that's where they keep the merch now, he says.

(01:53:32):
He gave me a bunch of hats, but he didn't
ask me to take pictures in one, which I appreciated.
The guy I met, Mars says, is not the person
who the night before the dinner tweeted a bunch of
nasty crap about how he thought this dinner was a
bad idea and what a deranged expletive I was. I
read it and thought, oh, what a lovely way to
welcome someone to your home. But when I got there,

(01:53:53):
that guy wasn't living there. Now does Trump want respect?
Of course who doesn't. My friend said to me, what
are you going to wear to the White House? I said,
I don't know, but I'm not going to dress like Zelenski.
I'll tell you that just for starters. He laughs. I've
never seen him laugh in public before. Mars says, but
he does, including it himself and it's not fake. And

(01:54:16):
he goes on. I mean again, different examples of Trump
being kind of a roll with it guy when it comes.
When it came to the interaction, and also the idea
somehow that Trump was open to a conversation. I said
to him. At one point, mar says, mister President, you

(01:54:38):
know the dog that's unusual in the White House. He said, well,
you don't have a dog. Well, a lot of presidents,
he said, they had a dog for political reasons. I said, no, people, No,
people love dogs. That's why that that is.

Speaker 2 (01:54:52):
This is.

Speaker 1 (01:54:55):
Marspy. And then Trump said, oh yeah, okay, that's true.
I'm telling you. He said it happened. In other words,
over the conversation about this dog. Why don't you have
a dog? Trump says, many people have a dog for
political reasons, and Mar, you know, plays back at them. No,
people love dogs, that's why people have dogs in the
White House. And Trump says, oh, yeah, I guess you're right.
So on the strength of that, I'm supposed to change.

(01:55:18):
Oh yeah, so he can be persuaded of things, is
what you're saying on that whole dog thing. So, however
we have a dog conversation, we know that he is
persuadable on it. Great. At one point we were walking
through his amazing and it is an amazing tour of
the whole house, Bill Mars says, and I don't remember
exactly what we were talking about, but it must have

(01:55:39):
been something with the twenty twenty election, because I know
he used the word lost, and I distinctly remember saying, wow,
I never thought i'd hear you say that he didn't
get mad. He's much more self aware than he lets
on in public. Look, I get it, Mars says. It
doesn't matter who he is at a private dinner with
a comedian, matters who he is on the world stage.

(01:56:01):
I'm just taking it as a positive that this person exists,
because everything I've ever not liked about him, I swear
to God at least absent at least on this night
with this guy. In other words, everything he's not liked
about him was absent that night with the guy he

(01:56:24):
met with Kid rock hoping the night before. If you
want to get a word in edgewise, you're going to
have to cut him off or he'll just go on.
Not at all, Mars says, I've had so many conversations
with prominent people who are much less connected, people who
don't look you in the eye, people who don't really
listen because they just want you to get to the
next thing. And then he goes on. So again, I'd

(01:56:49):
suggest the litmus test for someone's sanity, someone's how deserve it,
someone is of your respect. He's a legislator, he's the
top legislator in the land. He's the president of the
United States, the most powerful nation on Earth. I, in

(01:57:11):
a way don't care how he was at dinner. Now
you can say, Mark, you're so biased. Of course you
would say that, Yeah, I am. I'm biased based on policies.
I'm biased based on law. I'm biased based on what
we're going to have to live with in an America
that will have a series of withering consequences as the

(01:57:34):
result of judgments that Donald Trump has made. So yeah,
in a way, I don't care he oh my god,
he offered to cut my steak. I don't care. Okay,
So a nice guy is destroying America and trying to
be a king. What's the point Does that make it better? Exactly?
In lays said that I think Mar is smart. I

(01:57:57):
think mar is funny. I watch show. I disagree with
mar about a lot of stuff, and I think what
mar is doing is he's edging closer to Steve Bannon,
Donald Trump, the other side, the Ben Shapiros of the world,
people within the right wing ecosphere that can in a way.

(01:58:21):
Sorry to say this, Bill, but I feel like as
you embrace them, they can help you you get more
right wing tune in. You're seemed as the kind of Hey,
he's the guy who understands us. I agree that you
need to reach across on some level, continue with conversations.

(01:58:42):
I'm traveling later this month and I'm going to be
staying with somebody who's maga. In one case, I'm going
to be I don't they're maga, but that general, you know,
just they lean that way. We have we have we
have maga in my family. I mean, it happens there.
So I think you can't, you know, flip them all

(01:59:03):
the bird. You have to deal with them. I do
believe that there is a fringe group they're in that
maga world that as the nation starts to take on water,
they're not going to blame Biden anymore. So I do
think that some of them will come over, but the
diehards they'll always blame the Libs. I don't wonder why
the Emperor doesn't have a dog. A cat wouldn't like him,

(01:59:27):
let alone a dog, Lady Paterson, I see, so you
feel it's that the animal would have no taste for
Donald Trump. Anyway, the bottom line on the mar thing
is I think mar was, in a sense gas lit.
He was, in a sense just completely taken in. I'm
really surprised, you know, it's I'm surprised that he was
such a pushover. I mean, these people are all pushovers.

(01:59:48):
Celebrities are big pushovers, people who need the spotlight. Mar
Trump among them. They want to be liked. And I
think think at the end of this, and I'm not
suggesting that, and maybe I'm misreading to be fair tomorrow,
maybe I'm misreading this, like in some way, maybe he's

(02:00:09):
saying what I'm saying, which is, hey, I had a
good dinner and all I did was relate how nice
the guy was at dinner. I'm not saying that I
endorse his policies. I'm just saying we have to listen
to him because he's a really but I would say
that's completely extraneous, that that information doesn't do anything but
soften the image of Trump. So you may tell me

(02:00:30):
I'm just relating. You know how good he was on
the tennis court, and how great a host he was
at dinner, and how we all hung out and laughed
about things, and yeah, but you're softening the image, which
distracts from the horror show which is going on in
that Oval office you sat in. I think it's very
dangerous to do that. So Bill DeBono says, in twenty eighteen,

(02:00:56):
Mar had a monologue describing what a con Trump is.
I can't believe how easily Mar has been fooled. He
has been completely He's become completely tone deaf. Thank you,
Billy de Bono, five dollars superchat is exactly right. I
really think the same thing that he made fun of
Heraldo Rivera for saying some years ago, he's now guilty

(02:01:19):
of doing the exact same thing. It's unacceptable, it really is,
and Mar deserves the blowback that he's getting for doing it.

Speaker 2 (02:01:28):
So Mark Thompson show.

Speaker 1 (02:01:32):
The Trump had a dog, Calvin Wong says, but gnom
shot it. Oh no, that is funny and dark, and
I love both of both those things. Anyway. That is
by the way, seeing that gaggle of people in the

(02:01:53):
Oval Office around that meeting today with the President of
l Salvador, that was incredible. It was like the the
Sycophant convention all came, you know, to one room, and
I just thought, in fact, let me just kind of close.
We have Kim's news, but I've got to take my
dying cat to the hospital, which is the saddest thing. Yeah,

(02:02:15):
really hard. So when I'm speaking of sycophants, though, there
was a parade of sycophants and a super cut was
done on it, Tony, do you still have it? It
was a CNN supercut of all of the different people,
I believe, kind of well doing their thing, you know,
doing the dance that they all have to do. And

(02:02:36):
here's a look at it. Ms Kapita, Okay, your leadership, we.

Speaker 7 (02:02:44):
Are going to revitalize and make ship building a maritime
great again.

Speaker 2 (02:02:49):
At the Trump EPA.

Speaker 1 (02:02:50):
We're gonna make it up.

Speaker 19 (02:02:51):
Your honor and respect we have for each other is
a reflection.

Speaker 1 (02:02:54):
Of you and your Leadershippets to your leadership.

Speaker 9 (02:02:56):
You were overwhelmingly elected by the biggest majority.

Speaker 8 (02:03:01):
Well, mister President, thank you for your leadership.

Speaker 1 (02:03:04):
At the border likes to your fantastic leadership.

Speaker 7 (02:03:07):
The American worker is grateful.

Speaker 11 (02:03:08):
Main Street is grateful for you.

Speaker 1 (02:03:11):
Yeah. He truly does like to drink that in so
truly love to break that the uh. I see something
in caps. We don't like caps in the chat if
you can avoid it in the future. Oh my god,

(02:03:31):
this is like the movie The Dictator, It says Peter. Yeah, anyway, No,
it's not Charlie, it's the actual younger a cat Richard.
It's Mochy. My little Mochy is such a sweetheart. And
there's been some other laws. I'm sorry, true tech. Yeah,
it's a very difficult day for us here. So that

(02:03:53):
is sort of that's the nature of the of the
White House. That's the nature of the government right now.
It's run by one guy, and now he is pushing
back on the Supreme Court. We'll see what David K.
Johnston has to say about that tomorrow. J. L. Covin
is going to join you tomorrow, Kim. Yeah, he's a

(02:04:14):
brilliant lawyer Jail Covin. Also the guy who has done
a Trump impression. He does a Musk impression that's really good,
and I would say, but listen to his takes on
things when he's not doing any impressions at all. He
does great stuff on his podcast, which he does a
podcast where it's just him talking about stuff that we

(02:04:37):
talk about, and then he does on his YouTube channel
videos on different things. I'd really encourage you to check
him out tomorrow because I think it's going to be
He's got some really really clean takes on things, so
I'm hopeful that you and he vibe together. I'll be
here at the beginning of the show tomorrow because I
wouldn't want to miss the finale of Mark's Madness, and

(02:05:00):
I just want to check on it again. Madness. Where
are we on the voting? This is the finals. AOC
baby Girl leaves again leads I blame you again. You're
you're You're voting for one of these two drops to win.

Speaker 8 (02:05:16):
I blame you or oh Girl, Baby Girl don't play again.

Speaker 1 (02:05:22):
Either I blame you or AOC.

Speaker 21 (02:05:25):
Girl Baby Girl don't even play.

Speaker 1 (02:05:28):
Voting till midnight tonight Pacific three am on the East coast.

Speaker 9 (02:05:31):
Good luck, I am the lead there.

Speaker 1 (02:05:36):
AOC right now. The voting is really early. Look we
still look how much time do we have? We've got
another almost twelve hours to go. So is there a
battle for last play?

Speaker 12 (02:05:47):
Oh?

Speaker 1 (02:05:47):
Is there a bottle for last year?

Speaker 3 (02:05:49):
There should be.

Speaker 1 (02:05:50):
There's a bottle of Tanuda vineyard wine for the first
place finisher. I think I give them.

Speaker 3 (02:05:58):
Are you sending yourself wine if you take the whole thing?

Speaker 1 (02:06:00):
I'm so blown away. I did it so quickly, which
is the way to do it. Don't overthink it, you
know what I mean? But it would be extraordinary anyway,
all right, Kim Sadly, I've got to go to the
hospital from with my little one, so I cannot linger,
but I do. I do thank everybody who sent you

(02:06:25):
in superstickers like youohnny O. They are now come on
with a five dollars supersticker. Thank you you Henni rip
Jed the fish Ghoul, the iconic k rock DJ for
thirty five years, friend of Jean Bean Baxter he passed away.
Thank you Louis for telling us that, and thank you

(02:06:45):
for five dollars super chat. I didn't know that it's
It's sad that it is kind of the you know,
the passing of a generation. Usually I would consider it.
RFK is suggesting, but it's RFK junior and he has
no dental or medical background, so I'm going to disagree.
All right, that's fair enough, Lady Beatrice for the five
dollars super chat, the five dollars super chat from Daniel.
Can we add intelligence to the water?

Speaker 2 (02:07:07):
Take that?

Speaker 3 (02:07:08):
That's an additive I can get behind.

Speaker 1 (02:07:10):
I love it. Does anyone? Does anyone? N R? Ask Trump?
Who is the we? We Kimo sabi? When Trump says
we're gonna be Yeah. When Trump says we're gonna we're
gonna do well, who's the weed? When you say we're
gonna do well?

Speaker 2 (02:07:23):
Out of time?

Speaker 1 (02:07:24):
We are out of time. Thanks everyone, Thank you, Kim,
thank you, Tony to tomorrow, Bye bye

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