August 14, 2025 • 51 mins
Today on the Open Mic Broadcast Network — Coach Northern and I talk about what we’ve declared the Dead Season leading up to the 2025 college football kickoff.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
And welcome back, ladies and gentlemen, to another episode of
After further Review with none other than Coach heinsch Nor.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
Then coach, how you doing today, my friend?
Speaker 3 (00:11):
Hey man, I'm still doing well, still doing well. You know,
I'm getting up there in aid that they say, getting
a littit more experienced. My daughter had her first day
of high school today, so we did a family drop
off and that went well. So it's gonna be interesting
to see how her day was because you know, she's
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going to Saint Agnes's Academy and from what I understand,
it ain't no orientation, just diving, jump off or get
pushed in the deep end and you better get back
to the side of the pool. So it's gonna be
interest to see how that goes. And then your your
favorite new recruit class suits.
Speaker 4 (00:52):
Look, SENI summer school with.
Speaker 3 (00:54):
Three ads, so he happy, and look, I'm gonna I'm
gonna just say the threshold is ninety is the lowest
you can get to make an eight that had had
a ninety one in two nineties. But he pulled it out,
so we had the fund, uh, you know, just for
him getting off to a good start. We were a
little word, because he got sick and missed a couple
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of days of summer school, and that summer school class
is you know, a lot faster pace than what you
normally get, right, he had for him getting off to
a good start. Now, Uh, this weekend, he and I
going on campus.
Speaker 4 (01:30):
Saturday.
Speaker 3 (01:30):
They have an alumni event for the former football players
and coaches at Preview. So he and I gonna go
up there and you know, like say, let him, let
him catch up with his uncles and catch up with
the older guys that played there before.
Speaker 4 (01:45):
I got that.
Speaker 3 (01:45):
From what I under standing is a few guys even
from the nineteen sixties, uh, teams that are supposed to come.
And then you know you're still gonna have a few
guys from from the championship team. Really, I'm really looking
forward to child it up with some of the guys
from the Losing Street era because I played against some
of those guys and just you know, to me, the
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Prairie football means a lot from what I did winning
the championship or help them win the championship. If to me,
it represented those guys more than they represented anybody else
to me in the history of the university.
Speaker 1 (02:24):
Right, Well, there's always and I've said part of the
struggle was the people forget for and eighty commitments. It
might not have been a lot of success on this field,
but there was a lot of success in those classrooms
and actually on the field, because unless you've lived through it,
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it takes a special individual to keep showing up, giving
it all you got when you know more than likely
you're gonna lose, find a way to lose. And it
shows the tenacity of those guys. And I keep hearing
a cringe, and I keep hearing the old Prairie view,
I said, had been the.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
Old Praiview in a long long time. But that's what
people have to have fixed it in their mind.
Speaker 1 (03:11):
And as far as back to our freshly new recruit,
uh you just you just remember, you know, the Praiview
still producers productive people, you know, even if they do
have a Southern bloodline.
Speaker 4 (03:23):
And oh yeah, now look now, ain't he ain't gonna
let me forget that.
Speaker 3 (03:28):
Look these jokers he came home and like, hey, when
a Southern home come, I like what you want to,
you know, but you know, I know they're playing privieswe
he said, Oh yeah, me and some of my classmates
were gonna try to see if we could get together
and sort of carpool over. Then he asked me, he
called my dad Papa. You think we could say a
papa holl I'm like, look, man, that's between you and him,
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and I don't know if hunting and he isn't gonna
be the starter by then, so you know, my dad.
Speaker 1 (03:54):
Probably yeah, October eighteenth, October eighteen, this Hunt seasons getting cranked.
Speaker 3 (03:58):
Up, seesd October first over there. It might be the
all around things. I mean, I think he's Halloween. But anyway, okay,
you know Papaul was gonna say yeah to him, and look,
be ready to cook. My dad he likes making pancakes
on the grilled pancakes, so he gonna he get that.
He get all us comes and all us Chalctor Tiffson,
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what you want?
Speaker 4 (04:21):
Write it down? How many you want? You know? All this?
Speaker 2 (04:22):
So he'll go, oh god, but you know that's what
that's what pap Paul's do.
Speaker 3 (04:27):
Man, Hey man, I'm trying to tell Look, man, it's
Southern homecoming and not they homecomings up back to back week.
So I say, man, there's gonna be some time. Folks
in the northern household filling with both Praier Views and Southern.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
Home I know that's right.
Speaker 4 (04:41):
I know that's right. Now.
Speaker 3 (04:44):
My wife's trying to get an all V for both homecomings.
I say, look, my dad lived five minutes from Southern campus.
I walk home from Southern University. My house right now
is about twenty minutes from Praierview Campus. So I'm like,
what do we need an RV?
Speaker 4 (04:59):
So when we.
Speaker 1 (05:01):
Look, that's the thing. Man, come on now, you got
to get win it.
Speaker 4 (05:05):
Coach.
Speaker 3 (05:06):
Hey man, the women are gonna win. I don't get
hide to the They gonna win at the end of
the day. So I'm gonna have fun either way.
Speaker 4 (05:12):
It go right and when and it's ironic.
Speaker 1 (05:15):
We're talking about the new generation of Panthers, the homecoming settings.
We got two weeks before this Labor Day classic and
prior to us, as they say, going live with this,
this is.
Speaker 2 (05:31):
Really dead week, Coach.
Speaker 1 (05:33):
The next two weeks is dead we there's nothing else
really that you can speculate because if there are any injuries,
they're gonna be masked. If there's any type of discription,
if you get a depth chart, if you get a roster,
don't you believe it. They're gonna be all kind of
little gainsmanship tactics going on right now. But this is
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the time when everybody really got the shades down, the
door watch locks, and they're cooking creative plans and platforms
in these plays on the defensive office of scheme side
of things, right.
Speaker 3 (06:10):
Yes, sir so, So this is the way it's gonna
go for most people. Most people gonna have these final
scrimage either Friday or Saturday of this week, and they
may give the guys a little bit of time off
because for some of them they may have to move
from one door to the other.
Speaker 4 (06:25):
Uh, some of them, you just give them that.
Speaker 3 (06:28):
After Saturday, you might say, man, y'all, just beat us
at the swimming pool.
Speaker 4 (06:31):
We may do something.
Speaker 3 (06:32):
A real light a little light jog instead of practice,
or it may be a walk through everybody's you know,
put on your previews shawts and t shirts and some penansues,
and they may walk through in a dome or something
instead of going outside.
Speaker 4 (06:46):
So you may see that.
Speaker 3 (06:47):
And then Monday, I always, and I think privilege still
has another week before a class start, but that Monday
or the first day of class.
Speaker 4 (06:55):
Is usually the worst day of practice ever.
Speaker 3 (06:58):
But now this Monday that's coming up, you will see
everybody start putting a true depth trout together, start thinking
who's gonna travel, who's gonna be my top special team guys.
And then for Everview will start specifically game planning for
a Text Southern and Texas Southern will specifically.
Speaker 4 (07:18):
Start game plan. They gonna put.
Speaker 3 (07:21):
Together what most people call it look or scout team,
and now we want to run this play.
Speaker 4 (07:25):
We think this is.
Speaker 3 (07:26):
They gonna give us on first down, this is they
gonna give us on second with all the different situations,
and let's let's see what play we want to run.
Speaker 4 (07:34):
Do we have success with it?
Speaker 3 (07:36):
Or can the guys handle this information or can I
change a play called here go some artibles we might
if we see that they're gonna run a double back
of blitz off the edge, then what blitz or what
blitz check do we want to get to. So it's
it's a lot of look like you said them, depth
trusts don't mean nothing right now because everybody's a one
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top secret of almost like this seems sick.
Speaker 4 (08:00):
You don't know what they're gonna come out with.
Speaker 3 (08:02):
Some things donna change And then Hopefully neither school gets
an injury to somebody that they really count on, because
they can throw a.
Speaker 4 (08:10):
Lot of people for loop. This last these last couple
of weeks.
Speaker 3 (08:13):
Where you're getting into it now, injuries off part of football,
but you're hoping, like coach you say, you're hoping you
can get your horse to the stable, heap it and
then let's run this race.
Speaker 1 (08:23):
Yes, sir, yes, sir. So when you when you look
at all of this, I call it the hype. This
is the hype season right now. The water could have
shot us, and we're gonna do this and they gonna
do that. And I'm hearing people going back complaining I've
already thrown my little remedy out. What I think we
should do. It'll make life grander. I have seen it,
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and it seems like it's coming to fruition.
Speaker 4 (08:50):
Now.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
ESPN is not the darlings.
Speaker 1 (08:54):
That they want us to think that they are, and
so we got to position ourselves for the future. And
the future can be insulating. Making sure that all conference teams,
if they played each other and everybody had their one
money game or cupcake game, whatever you wanna call it,
you can pretty much set your scheduling, you can help
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your teams balance, and we're not playing in the SCS
playoffs anyway, what else is gonna matter.
Speaker 3 (09:23):
Yeah, So that's that's gonna be the thing that I guess.
Eventually they gonna have to come to a consensus on
how they gonna try to get the schedules.
Speaker 4 (09:32):
It mandatory or is it eight game nine games? Everybody
play everybody?
Speaker 3 (09:39):
Then you get the one quote unquote off we So
it just depends on what the what the presidents say,
because some schools are gonna to me, the schools that
make out better when everybody plays everybody and it's gonna
sound crazy, or the schools on the edge of the
Thunes in terms of travel, the prairie views take the
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Southern Pine Bluff and Valley are the ones on the
schools that gonna gonna sort of have it easy to
me the all Corn Southern, Jackson State, and Gramlin because
they have a shorter distance of travel to everybody, And
then those schools when they play each other, those fan
bases travel where you think when Jackson comes up back
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and Ruge Southern goes to Jackson, Gramlin go to Jackson,
so and those fan bases they gonna have they have
much more advantage if it comes to no matter which
way it goes, they gonna have more people in the stands.
The other thing that helps them too, if they play
each other non Trumfort, so Southern is on the where
Jackson on the east, that they still decide to play,
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that's the money make the same thing with Gramlin versus
Jackson State.
Speaker 4 (10:50):
That's the money making games for those.
Speaker 3 (10:52):
Institutions because the distance between Jackson and Gramlin and Jackson
and Southern it's just about the same, about two and
a half hours.
Speaker 4 (11:00):
To east place.
Speaker 3 (11:01):
So it can be good for those But I know
at one time they did it because the Prairie Views
Valleys time Bluffs were having trouble scheduling some of the.
Speaker 4 (11:12):
Other Sea schools.
Speaker 3 (11:14):
They always had to go on the road first, and
they couldn't get some of the bigger schools to quote
unquote bring them in for money game because they were
not given the right allignment either a dollar amount or
percentage of full scholarships to count as a victory for
some of the FBS programs.
Speaker 1 (11:32):
Right and with the way everything has been reformulated, if
you allow me to put it that way, you gotta
start having self preservation, right, because that's what the big
boys are doing.
Speaker 2 (11:44):
Right.
Speaker 1 (11:44):
So, and I get it, like you said, you want
to play the Southland schools, even if you get a
chance to.
Speaker 2 (11:54):
Do the Ohio Valley and the MEAC schools.
Speaker 1 (11:57):
To me, it would make more sense to play maybe
a non season I mean non conference me a copponent
then to be trying to play some of these Southern schools,
and even if the travel is close, because of the
probabilities of me seeing them down the road, it's not
going to happen, coach, because once again I've always you know,
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questioned this, Why be a part of the FCS and
play the fcscs if you're not going to participate in
the football playoffs? Okay, and we know the built in
mechanism for our part is the grammar in Southern game
at the Biyu Classic.
Speaker 2 (12:38):
It always interferes with the playoff season.
Speaker 1 (12:42):
And so why do we get upset if we don't
get an invite as an at large biz from the conference.
Speaker 3 (12:49):
Yeah, and then I remember a couple of years ago,
I want to say, Bam got in as a quote
uncote at largs.
Speaker 4 (12:57):
There. So it can work for certain things.
Speaker 3 (13:00):
But I don't think that's gonna have to be the
end all be all, because you know, a lot of
times you may think you want to go somewhere and
tell somebody say, okay, y'all going up and play South
Dakota State or one of those outdoor team the North
Dakota states up that way that play outside because you
know some of those schools still playing domes or smaller
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domes up there. But just say, if you get ten
to one of those northern OVC schools, then it can
be pretty cold up in the Tennessee Valley after Thanksgiving
or Thanksgiving weekend. So it's some things like that that
you have to think about unless you're gonna say, if
you are a Prairie View and you get an at
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Larst bed, do you make a bed to try to
host a home game and then you know whether you
win it or not. You may win or host the
game and see end up losing money.
Speaker 4 (13:53):
So right, that's one of.
Speaker 3 (13:54):
The things that people have to think about, Yeah, we
want to go to the playoffs. You know, hopefully just
say if prayer you get then and get the at Lard.
They may end up playing a very close Spoutland if
they have to go somewhere as opposed to going way
out with to the Sacramento state of Just say now.
Speaker 1 (14:14):
Coach, you know you're gonna have to repeat after me,
and it's called moving target. Any of our teams that.
Speaker 2 (14:19):
Get an at large vis if they do okay.
Speaker 1 (14:23):
Number one, with the way things are going right now,
you could get your second best team in there with
the East and West divisions, because sometimes you can have
a dominant team from either the vision and then whoever
happened to be behind that more dominant team will be
on the outside looking in right now. But the way
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you assure that you can't always have your best representing
the conference, because what's the ultimate goal, the celebration goal
for us, right, So dissolve your East and West, that
everybody play each other, your top two teams play for
the SWAG Championship.
Speaker 2 (15:05):
Doesn't it sound simple?
Speaker 4 (15:06):
Yeah, that's that's the easy way to do it. But
I think the only way.
Speaker 3 (15:10):
Is the easy way, Like you have to go back
to everybody playing everybody like.
Speaker 1 (15:14):
It was at one time, So right, what I'm saying,
but to me that that eliminates that they said, well
you didn't play such and such, you didn't play them,
you didn't play. Everybody plays everybody last man standing, get
to talk to noise.
Speaker 4 (15:29):
And then the other thing too.
Speaker 3 (15:32):
I remember it was some debate that you would have
to sign out just say if Valley might have been
playing Texas sub did it counts as.
Speaker 4 (15:40):
A conference game? You know, all those different things.
Speaker 1 (15:43):
But what I'm saying, if you do it, if you
do it like this, every game is a conference game.
Speaker 3 (15:48):
Yeah, and that way it makes sense. But I like
that I've been in the meeting that went into the
decisions that were made as to why and why not.
It has gone both ways. But like I said, I
hadn't been in the meeting since Fami and Bathoon during
the company, but before I had sat in those meetings
as to why when they went to the from the seven.
Speaker 4 (16:12):
Games to the nine games.
Speaker 3 (16:14):
And then how they stayed with the East and West
because like I said, I I probably wouldn't have thought
that all Cone would have moved over. But like said,
the big scheme of things, it made it made sense.
But yeah, like I say, I don't know much about football,
you know, I just I just coached for a while
and have.
Speaker 4 (16:33):
A degree in forced administration.
Speaker 3 (16:34):
But I do understand the inner workings of why it
went that way, and it was just it was really
almost like you said it was, it was for the
best of the for the conference at that time because
you you were having people with scheduling problems for.
Speaker 1 (16:50):
Like we're talking we're talking with coach Heist Northern with
after further review here at the helping Mike Broadcast Network coach.
We've talked to extras and those to our after off season.
As they said, the rubbers meeting the road right now
when you put them together, your team, your final piece
if you would to present for the season. You're going
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through your depths. You got guys on the bubble. You're
trying to figure out fish. You're trying to figure out that,
and believe it or not, there's going to be a
rascal or two that will show up when school is
a fisher open to come talk to one of the
coach about trying to be a walk home.
Speaker 3 (17:30):
Yes, sir, so that was one of the things that
It's funny. So I went to watch pray a few
practice last Saturday and it was a guy that coach
sat of had been given from away a sound. He
had been given the guy multiple chance to make plays
and the guy you know, sort of wouldn't do just
basically what coach acting to do. And I heard the
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coach tell a guy like man, it was almost like, man,
I can't wait until next week for somebody to come
out the street and do exactly what I tell him.
And then you get stuck behind that kid because you know,
I you know, almost like they say, if you fail
and doing something in the sport, switch coach asked you
to do the first time.
Speaker 4 (18:09):
So it's some good players. Look. I talked to a
guy that played for US, Ricky.
Speaker 3 (18:16):
I can't I think it's last thing might be Simpson,
but anyway, Ricky was a walk on from Madison High
School play quarterback in high school, and he said he
remember coach Pierce Prince Pearson coming to the school to
recruit him, and he say, lo and behold Coach pe
saw him on caps, like, man, I thought you said
you was come and play football. And this was maybe
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rick second or third year school. So eventually he ended
up coming out Joker walked on and ended up starting
a game or two far almost a whole season one
year because we had some jery. But at the bottom line,
you can it's easy to find those skill guys. You're
not gonna find the six three, two hundred and ninety
pound jokers that's gonna walk through the door.
Speaker 4 (18:58):
But a Quentin.
Speaker 3 (18:59):
Spears was a walk on their prairie. I look back
at the film of the year that we won the championship.
Two of our three star linebackers will walk on guys.
So you can find you some good football, especially if
you had a program that you could bring them in,
let them develop, put on a few pounds and nine
pounds out of ten they need the game ten or
fifteen pounds or lose thirty pounds if you gonna get
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some of the big old jokers that man I wasn't
gonna play. And then they see somebody in the cafeteria
that they played against a whip and they started thinking.
So they said, man I could do what he did
or whatever. And you know, one of the things I
talked about with Adam he was debating on trying to
play baseball their prayer. I was like, you've seen some
of the guys that you know is going to prayview.
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You know, in his mind, he's like, man I am
as good as a better than some of those guys
that I know are going. You know, if I put
my best foot for so, you gonna get that. Guys
that walk off the street, and some guys know they
want to play football, and then some guys you may
see that, Hey man, I remember you from such and such,
Why don't you come try out?
Speaker 4 (20:02):
Especially the kid with a track background.
Speaker 3 (20:04):
You don't hardly turn them jokers down, But somebody a
joker from a good program and a joker from a
track background, you don't. You don't turn those because you're
gonna need some numbers for your scout team.
Speaker 1 (20:14):
But if you can find some big rock shapes that
and special teams, you always gotta find you a kamakazi
guy who just really don't care. He just like contact.
You know, you don't. We call him a tackling dummies.
They just they just want to be out there and
hitting anything with anybody.
Speaker 4 (20:30):
They don't care.
Speaker 3 (20:31):
And look, I found some real good whether the grambling
wherever I was, I've been looking up to find they
all look like they bought the same size with a
tip on their shoulder. The look the five eight kid
who probably walk around with no shirt on all day
because he got two percent bidy fat.
Speaker 4 (20:49):
But that joker is aggressive and fast.
Speaker 3 (20:52):
He understand leverage, he understand contact, and like say, when
he hit, he's stick. But I've been looking up finding
call him wildcat. You know they now they might not
always do what you asking them do, but they gonna
be going full feed.
Speaker 4 (21:07):
So he might be a guy. Look, you go be
the gun.
Speaker 3 (21:09):
We might not ask you to come play on third
down or big down, but you're gonna be a gun
on punt team.
Speaker 4 (21:16):
You're gonna be a guy that goes wherever the bout.
Speaker 3 (21:18):
You sort of scheme your kickoff team around this that like,
look y'all staying y'all lane, let him go wherever you
feel like. God, he's so fast, he's gonna get in
front of everybody. You read off him. If he go inside,
you go outside, you go outside, you go inside. And uh,
that's the way I've coached some guys like that. Hey,
you know, let him play football, Let them do what
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they do best. You find what they can do and
how they can help the team.
Speaker 1 (21:42):
Now, coach, we know the ultimate goal for any kid
that starts, I don't care what sport is.
Speaker 2 (21:50):
We just have to be talking about football right now.
Their ultimate goal is to get the bag when they
hear their name.
Speaker 1 (21:56):
Called on the NFL stage, right, we know the reality
is only two percent. How do you coach that and
express that to guys on any level?
Speaker 4 (22:13):
You know?
Speaker 2 (22:15):
Because really it's about winning where you are and get
it to the next level.
Speaker 1 (22:20):
And sometimes I know guys want to get into schemes
where they're gonna be seeing seen or their skill sets displayed.
But would it be more advantageous to try to build
a winning program than a few good players that make
it to the league.
Speaker 3 (22:34):
Yeah, But the thing about it is it sometimes it
goes hand in hand depend on the level.
Speaker 4 (22:39):
Now, some guys, they may be.
Speaker 3 (22:41):
Very good football players, because of genetics, they're not gonna
have a nip at the league. You know, the five
six cornerback. Even if you gotta fight the n VERBA
run a full three for they not gonna get a chance.
So some guys don't get eliminated from a genetics standpoint.
The other guys may get eliminated from a scheme standpoint
or a speed because a lot of times, and I'm
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you know, sat in person there meets in the NFL,
they may I've heard NFL coaches clash scouts say, give
me a fast guy, especially if he's from a smaller school,
because they don't think guys from smaller programs, whether HBCU
or not.
Speaker 4 (23:21):
But more so, HBCUs have a coach. Well, so if
you give me.
Speaker 3 (23:25):
A fast guy that meets past the eyeball test, they
feel like they have enough time in.
Speaker 4 (23:32):
A day to teach that guy in football. And you know,
he don't have to go to classes, he don't have
to worry about this or that. All they gonna do.
Speaker 3 (23:39):
And they have people that are the analysts that, hey, man,
if we got a guy that they think have talent,
they will take that joker and spend a lot of
time with him.
Speaker 4 (23:50):
Okay, this is what we're doing. Okay, you need to
know this.
Speaker 3 (23:52):
I've seen coaches that want to see a kid have success.
Just say, if you the second team defensive back and
we got ten plays and teams you are gonna get
played dick through nine. They would bring that joke in say,
on play one, this is what you got on play two,
this what you got on play three. While you're in
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your three plays, they gonna tell you exactly what to do,
and I will say, let's see if he can retain
that information. Now, if he can handle those three plays,
then tomorrow he might get five.
Speaker 4 (24:22):
Reps or something like that.
Speaker 3 (24:24):
So that's sort of how they catch guys up. But
the biggest thing as a coach, man, as sad as
it may sound, you won't guys go to the NFL,
but you not paid to get You paid to win games.
That's why I say scheduling may be more important than
who your recruit, because if you schedule.
Speaker 4 (24:42):
Right, you can win right. Then as you start winning,
then your recruits are you gonna change?
Speaker 2 (24:47):
Okay? And so it goes to.
Speaker 1 (24:52):
Addressing the reality or the elephant in the room when
you're sitting there with the kids, you know, talking to
mom and and they've been telling this kids since he
could walk that he was the best thing since life's
read that Hey, you know, yeah he's good.
Speaker 2 (25:09):
And he can help us this, that and the other.
Speaker 1 (25:11):
But if you want to graduate, if you want to
have a winning experience, if you want to have a
magical time, this is the place to be. But we
are desirous to get you professional. But the professional ranks
we're talking about is that of a college degree.
Speaker 4 (25:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (25:27):
Man, a lot of a lot of parents they you know,
they don't care about that.
Speaker 4 (25:33):
When they signing a committee.
Speaker 3 (25:35):
You very rarely hear a kid nowadays talk about what
they go a maze And if you watch the game,
go look and see how many kids amazing and interdiscipline.
They studies are still unknown or undeclared, going until they
second or third year of school. You used to know
by then what you're gonna major in or what you
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and then I've taught the kids that have gone, I
just I'm just texting in them. So you talk to
a kid and you say, man, how you get into agriculture?
You know you're from South Dallas, but you're a made
an ad.
Speaker 4 (26:12):
And takes the night. You know, that's pretty much what
they told me. I was gonna be in a you
go to certain school, you might be in African American? Like,
what are you gonna do with that degree?
Speaker 3 (26:20):
If you talk to them, so it's, uh, it's you know,
they they just take what's given to them sometimes. But
I think with the amount of money that some of
these kids making, making it to the NFL is not
the biggest thing on their mind.
Speaker 4 (26:34):
Because some of those guys are making.
Speaker 3 (26:36):
You know, six or eight hundred thousand dollars a year
already so making it to the NFL may be a bonus.
But if they play it right and use a network
on campus, I mean you you can live off of
setting money aside for four or five years. You know,
you graduate from college a two millionaire. Almost different place
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cause right now, right, some of those guys getting nil
then may still be living on campus and eating for free.
Speaker 4 (27:04):
So you stacking money. It's not like the two and
three thousand dollars a month apartments. You should be able
to if you play your cards right, leave with a
whole lot of money.
Speaker 3 (27:15):
The biggest expense on expense gonna be maybe some of
them guys by the gold chain, and then the cause
is going to be the second biggest that spent.
Speaker 4 (27:23):
You know, vice versas well.
Speaker 1 (27:25):
We'll not do Remember most of the guys we're talking
about in that power for end, not in our end
of the fool And I got to remind you because
you can't be using that for fanity on this is
a family.
Speaker 4 (27:38):
Yeah, I just used I just used them because I
was thinking closely.
Speaker 3 (27:42):
But at the end of the fact is sometimes when
you talk to those guys about those majors and why
they chose that, they were told that, oh it's easy
to stay eligible in that major at right.
Speaker 2 (27:57):
Right, But we know that's really a disserve is to
the kid.
Speaker 1 (28:01):
And we're talking about all these nil deals for the
well being of the student aft which I'm all for,
but it's almost like a blatant manipulation to throw these
kids in these majors that they're a They don't even
understand what major they're in, and we'll never be able
to put it to use. And if you happen to
do well on whatever plan surface you're on, they might
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look out for you. But really it's almost it's like
a process of taking you to a meat plant, getting
you through the different categories to pass the eyeball test,
as you mentioned, to help the bottom line, help the
program win. Whether you make it pro or not, that's
not our concern. But we're gonna do what we can
to help you help us win, Yes.
Speaker 3 (28:43):
Sir, Then look, this is the other things so I'm
talking to it, and I may have mentioned it before
about some guys when they get to school, to say,
a football player may take every class that he's taking
this ball online. Then in the spring he may have
to go to classes vice versus say, Adam may take
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all of his class classes on campus and have to
go set foot in the building. But in the spring,
all of his classes may be online. But I know
some schools are doing that. So uh, like say, you
wonder how some guys you hear about the four point
ohs and the three point nine, how.
Speaker 4 (29:22):
They're getting it. I know exactly how it happened because.
Speaker 3 (29:25):
I have I have seen other schools that I coached
against pass work from one player.
Speaker 4 (29:30):
To the other, or you go into the you go
into the study.
Speaker 3 (29:34):
Hall and you got six guys in the same class
working on the same paper, all the same answer.
Speaker 4 (29:42):
So it's different ways.
Speaker 2 (29:44):
That collaboration coach the solo group projects.
Speaker 3 (29:50):
You know, yes, and then it used to be correspondence
because so just say if a guy took a class
at Praierview didn't do well, he'll find a junior guys
that he could take it to. Then at the end
of the week or two he sends all this work in.
But like you say, you you're keeping that work for
the next that is gonna need that thing corresponds cause
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the next year to get elvil. So you know, it's
it's different ways that people are getting their cat as
they say.
Speaker 2 (30:17):
Well, it's also old saying. If if you're not cheating,
you're not trying, well it.
Speaker 3 (30:23):
Ain't really beating if it's a loophole, as they say,
you know, loopholes are not cheating.
Speaker 1 (30:29):
From my understandings. Ah, okay, that's that's how that works.
Maybe that's the maybe. Look, maybe that's the new perierviews.
Speaker 4 (30:38):
No, I'm not gonna say that now. No, no, I'm
just saying it.
Speaker 1 (30:42):
I said, you know, I say it's not the old
praise because Praiervie is known to be going to the
bottom letter the law. Now no, no, no, no, man,
the crazy thing about it, like you talk about that.
So another thing with with you.
Speaker 3 (30:55):
Know, when I was there, we had some academic issues
with the APO and all that kind. So every now
and then I might even for Coach Fraser, he would
send me to some of those n Cuba. They would
have regional meetings for basically all the schools that may
have got in trouble been on probation. And then it's
almost like just imagine you in jail and they say, okay,
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all you guys that got caught stealing, we're gonna send
y'all over here, and we gonna tell y'all these rules.
But then when you get to the rules, everybody is
in there talking about how they should have sold differently
or better. You know, it's one of the I'm in
there listening to other schools that have engineering majors, like
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how are your engineers staying elsewhere? And it really is
a five year program, but the track or the Greek
percentages based off four years.
Speaker 4 (31:46):
What do you guys doing there? Okay, we had to
do this.
Speaker 3 (31:49):
So it's different things that you can pick up from,
like say the honor amongst these programs can help you
find that loophole to say engineering is one hundred and
thirty hours when most of the other degree plans are
one hundred and twenty hours. How can you get around
that fact? So it's a lot that you can learn
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from breaking the rule. But like I say, a loophole
is as some coach's best friend, then you have some
of the academic advisors or the compliance officers they worry
about they die.
Speaker 4 (32:22):
So it's a tug back and.
Speaker 3 (32:24):
Forth between the two to keep guys else especially at
a known engineering an architect school as Preyerview is, or
just say at school like southern where they produce a
lot of engineers as well.
Speaker 4 (32:36):
So at some schools it's harder to.
Speaker 3 (32:40):
Sort of find that loophole or use that loophole, and
at other schools it ain't no loophole. It's a straight
line to get to from point A to B with
some infractions.
Speaker 1 (32:50):
Almost right right, Well, they call that synergy where everybody
is on the same page, seating off each other, because
it really, you know, when we go to Prayview, focus
on Prairie for a moment. To me, Purviews, part of
what the people thought the problem actually was wasn't what
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it actually was. It wasn't a field product concern. It
was an administrator behind the scene teamwork, cohesive concern, compliance,
getting together with administration, administration, getting together with the physical
therapists and all this, everybody, you know, creating the same
goal instead of everybody kind offending for themselves.
Speaker 3 (33:35):
Yes, so I told people, I told one person, I
may be wrong, and you, being a Prairie guy a
lot longer than me.
Speaker 4 (33:41):
I told somebody.
Speaker 3 (33:42):
A part of the problem that the streak maybe lasted
so long was the fact that the school in particular
was still doing well. Because I know a lot of
people from Baton Ruge that didn't want to go to
Southern would come to Praiview if they wanted to be
an engineer. Is the fact that the school was still
doing so good, still had a great reputation, and my opinion,
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was part of the reason that the street glass long
because like, we're still doing good though well.
Speaker 2 (34:12):
I said, people don't we we talked about the O
and eighty.
Speaker 1 (34:16):
What they're saying COMNA called seventy eight seventy eight percent
of the student athletes involved during the losing days were graduating.
Speaker 4 (34:27):
Yeah, yeah, and that that is unheard of. Yep, No,
that is unheard of.
Speaker 1 (34:34):
And coaching because they've been there, done that. The entire
athletic budget for Prairieview A and M University was eight
hundred thousand dollars. I'm talking about football, basketball, baseball, volleyball.
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We didn't have softball at the time, but all your
sports were offering and at that time, the folks that
you was cussing up the road, their football program alone
was two million dollars.
Speaker 4 (35:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (35:06):
And then the other thing that people don't talk about too,
with most of your your budget was going towards.
Speaker 4 (35:12):
Just traveling and getting somewhere.
Speaker 3 (35:13):
So yeah, sure, because your budget is you know, now
you go from feeding the kids properly to let's see,
how can we how can we almost not feed them.
I remember somebody almost saying, if we get back to
school by a certain time, you still can eat on campus,
or let's get back by such such time from a.
Speaker 4 (35:36):
Saturday night game to almost times.
Speaker 3 (35:40):
If we was coming back from Alabama, well, as soon
as we get to school, the kids can go eat.
Now you don't have to buy the meal on the
road or somewhere. Just say, if I was at Grambling
and we played in Alabama State, when we got on
the bus first thing in the morning, each seat was
probably gonna have a dozen Christmas Kreme donuts. Then we're
gonna ride I'm Meridian, and probably stop at a Golden
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Crab type place.
Speaker 4 (36:04):
Brunt shown it.
Speaker 3 (36:05):
And then when we get to campus, joker still might
eat on campus or something like that. So you know,
it's just like just a difference in how programs are run.
When you, hey, coach, and you wasn't staying in no hotels, you.
Speaker 4 (36:18):
Know now, look we didn't. My wife was laughing at
still of the store. When I went recruiting one time
I was in Dallas and I you know, I'm young
before this, actually before I got married. But I go
to a.
Speaker 3 (36:32):
Hotel and I say, ma'am, I'm looking for an ironing board.
The lady said, look, you have to bring your clothes
to the Libby and Iron, and you can't, uh, we
don't have in the visit something like man. I said
to myself there, I said, man, what am I doing
with my life? I'm round here trying to go find
some recruits in South Dallas. And the ladies said, you
got to bring your clothes.
Speaker 4 (36:53):
To the Libby and Iron.
Speaker 3 (36:54):
I say, man, look, that was a one night hotel,
so most of the time I would go.
Speaker 4 (36:59):
I would get there on Monday and stay there Thursday
night or something like that. Oh.
Speaker 2 (37:03):
Man, the sacrifices, right, the sacrifices.
Speaker 3 (37:08):
Look, if people only knew some of the stuff coaches
did to get players, man, they'd be like, nah, man,
you ain't do that.
Speaker 4 (37:14):
Hey, coach.
Speaker 1 (37:16):
That was a baseball tournament in Fort Worth, and I
can't remember what year it was, but you know, I
was traveling.
Speaker 2 (37:24):
You know how long I've been doing this travel on
my own?
Speaker 1 (37:26):
Right, And so I'm like, I gotta get where I
can get right, Let's just say it like this, Because
I had a couple of guards at one of the
places I was staying at, and my pay for them
was a half pint and.
Speaker 2 (37:42):
A case for them to watch my room.
Speaker 1 (37:45):
I was gone to make sure, but to get anything
that's gonna take to get the job done. And when
you see how things have evolved today, it makes you proud,
makes you appreciative or from whence you come. But then
you're looking at the more things change, more they stay
the same, because even though we're staying in better hotels
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and we're eating better meals, there's still this big gap
between the halves and the half nots.
Speaker 4 (38:11):
Hey man, they got so big, man, it ain't even funny.
It is wide, wide wide.
Speaker 3 (38:18):
When you're talking about if you just go watch some
of these teams eat, or just watch what they have
just for a breakfast.
Speaker 4 (38:26):
You know, you got an omeletip ball.
Speaker 3 (38:29):
At certain schools, you got the shakes, you got the
peanut butter and jelly sandwiches, the muscle milks, you know,
all that type of stuff that's gonna make supposed to
make you a better player.
Speaker 4 (38:41):
But you're like, say, all this stuff help.
Speaker 3 (38:43):
Instead of you know, just you go somewhere else and
they just got a loaf of bread and peanut butter.
You got to fix your own sandwiches. Right, It's just
a difference. And you know the amount of people that
you have taping ankles and all that. Some schools had
it where the only time you got tape was on
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game days, or you know, you wear ankle breaks as
opposed to getting tape to save money. So it's just
it's just totally different from as they say, the haves
and the haves.
Speaker 4 (39:14):
Not even though the not sometimes I appreciate being a
knot a lot of times. You know, just my grind,
I say, is different than right.
Speaker 1 (39:24):
Right, right right, And some people are comfortable being or not,
but when you realize they are not.
Speaker 2 (39:30):
It's not by fault.
Speaker 1 (39:32):
It's sometimes by design by preference because when you when
you stay low key and your grind and then it's
about performance.
Speaker 2 (39:41):
I don't have to tell you what I've done. You
can see what I've done and then okay, good no, no,
go ahead, go ahead, go ahead.
Speaker 4 (39:47):
I was gonna say. The other thing is sometimes you
don't know that you're not so just white. But now
my wife went to an all girls school of doominly
White and Baton Rouge.
Speaker 3 (39:57):
And she said, you know, she thought they were living
pretty good in their little section of band Ruge. Then
she go to one of her classmates house and the
mayor of bad Ruge, LSU head coach lived down the street.
The governor when he not in his mansion, he got
this placed over here. So it's a totally different balls.
Oh man, Yes, like I say, you realize, like, man,
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people people living like this in Baton Ruge, or when
my mom would have catering jobs and you know she
worked for black then white. Then you get to a
certain black party, like, man, I didn't know black folks
lived like this in Baton Ruge, so they don't realize
you're not that. But like I say, you thinking, man,
I'm living a good life.
Speaker 4 (40:35):
But you take what you can and make the best
of that, y coach.
Speaker 1 (40:39):
I had an old roommate from Dallas, Texas. Right now
I'm from Saint Louis. I'm struggling. You know, I'm not
even robbing Peter to pay Paul. I'm robbing uh Loop
to pay to pay Paul and Pete.
Speaker 2 (40:52):
I'm robbing. I'm robbing whoever I can rob right and uh,
and we we scrape up some money to go to
Dallas for the weekend. We went for the weekend, some
type of break we had. So we get there. We
pull up in this nice neighborhood.
Speaker 1 (41:08):
I'm like, wow, you live here? And he was like,
well yeah. I'm like, you gotta pull up in the ride.
It's a nice drive card in the driveway. Man, that's
n who's cars that? He said, Well, that's my car.
And I'm like, hey, man, I said, I know why
I'm struggling. I said, why are we struggling going through
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all these changes we got and you got he said,
man that well, that ain't my money.
Speaker 2 (41:34):
That's that's my folks money. I said, you're the only child.
Speaker 1 (41:39):
I said, Man, I said, something got to change. But yeah,
it's a lot of people that are living large. And
then you got some people who are accustomed to that grind.
They don't mind the ride even when they quote unquote
make it. They know what got them there, and so
their comforabent staying there, not living beneath their skill set,
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but just being comforting and appreciating whatever they come across.
Speaker 4 (42:05):
Keep doing what you've got to get there.
Speaker 3 (42:08):
I think a lot of times as coaches, especially once
you go from a coordinator to the head coach, we
go from being somebody else's best coach, so sometimes not
being our own.
Speaker 4 (42:20):
Best assistant coach. So that's like they say that.
Speaker 3 (42:23):
Grind hits different people differently depending on what you end
up doing at the end of the day. But uh,
you know this just the football world is a lot
smaller than people think it is. At the same time,
it's some big spaces in between. And even you know,
just say, even within the conference. You can look at
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the halves of the Jackson States of Alabama States versus
the nots of the Valleys and super Thunes or whatever.
So even within this it's still some some big difference though.
Speaker 1 (42:55):
Well it's ironic you brought up Alabama State. Uh, Alabama
State has been known to be very uh flexible with
their athletic budget. But when when you look at the
student enrollment, coach, a lot of people might not realize
that they're not as large as you would think, barely
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at four thousand students, okay, but their budget shows bigger
than that.
Speaker 2 (43:24):
And I was thinking, we know the blue bloods and
and and you know, some might not like what I'm
about to say, But the facts are the facts.
Speaker 1 (43:33):
The needle movers for the Southwestern Athletic Conference in any
particular order, it's going to be Jackson, Southern, faund All Corn.
Speaker 2 (43:43):
Uh did I say grandly?
Speaker 4 (43:47):
No? You did?
Speaker 1 (43:50):
Yeah, those are going to be. Those are going to
be your your your your main five pushers. Yes, And
you might not like that, might not want to hear that, Okay,
but that's just what it is. Now.
Speaker 2 (44:05):
Maybe that's got to do with the team's fan bases,
how they travel and all that, but those are the
five that are going to move the needle. Other than
those five that I've just mentioned.
Speaker 1 (44:16):
Coach, if you could pick one or two programs that
you would call your sleeper for this twenty twenty five
football campaign, who would it be and why.
Speaker 4 (44:29):
Who's gonna be the sleeper?
Speaker 3 (44:31):
I think you have to throw Alabama in them in
the mix. And the reason why I say them is because,
almost like coach Barry going from benedict to South Carolina State,
you have an INN State Division two coach going to
a FCS program and he can be could have or
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brought quite a few kids with him. I think that's
a big difference maker than some of the ou Just
say even a coach Jackie, yeah he's coming home. But
some of those doctor kids, yeah they came, but they
may not have come in the droves that the kids
from Miles to Alabama, A and M to see what
I'm saying. So, but I think you almost have to
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give them the knob over everybody else if you want
to talk about somebody.
Speaker 4 (45:22):
That may sneak up on somebody.
Speaker 3 (45:24):
But the one thing that may hurt them is I
understand the quarterback that they got from Pine Bluff is
not gonna be able to play this year, so that's a.
Speaker 4 (45:36):
Negative for them.
Speaker 3 (45:38):
But I would say them, I think you have to
go with them in terms of can sneak up on
somebody on the.
Speaker 4 (45:45):
West, I don't.
Speaker 3 (45:47):
I don't ever say Preiview Texas Southern gonna sneak up
on somebody. But because of the history I think you
have to give from what coach this did last year.
Speaker 4 (45:58):
You may say they may qut them coach.
Speaker 3 (46:00):
Sneak up on some people, but I don't look at
them as sneaking up on because they play, you know,
get a pun off against Southern.
Speaker 4 (46:07):
The ball game different.
Speaker 3 (46:09):
So and and their quarterback is supposed to be coming
back from last year, so I think you have to
give the nud to West Texas Southern possibly and on
the east of Alabama and.
Speaker 1 (46:22):
Okay then okay, then so we'll earmark those two and
see what the end is going to be. Well, coach,
I know you got a lot of traveling plans and
some and they say moving around, getting things done. And
we're looking forward to chopping it up all season long, man,
and want to get you some clothes and thoughts and
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comments as we can get ready to shut this week's
segments down.
Speaker 3 (46:48):
Yeah, so uh this this week football wise, I am
actually going to take the Southern practice tomorrow after I
dropped my daughter off at school. So coach this one
was nice enough to let me come down and I'll
go watch them practice. Like I said, I when I go,
I don't look at scheme much. I look at how
guys moving around. I look at side, and I look
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at quarterback play.
Speaker 4 (47:12):
You know who do I see? That's gonna be a problem,
especially in some one on one.
Speaker 3 (47:18):
Matchup for the receivers and dbs or if I see
a dB you know nice six.
Speaker 4 (47:24):
Too long on joker that may cause problems for the
other team.
Speaker 3 (47:28):
Like you're not gonna get it in deep balls on
like you may get something under, something underneath.
Speaker 4 (47:33):
But that's the things I look for.
Speaker 3 (47:34):
So I'm gonna go watch them practice tomorrow and I
pretty much catch the whole practice. I like watching from
stretch to ice club, you know, pretty much. And then Saturday,
I'm looking forward to seeing a few of the former
players that played for me and I know, and man,
I didn't realize so many guys that played for US
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or high school coaching now, so you know some of
the guys that I talked about. Hey, man, you're gonna
make the event on Saturday, now, coach, we got a
screaming sad Now, coach, we got a such and such,
we got media day on SAD.
Speaker 4 (48:07):
So you have quite a few guys in this area
that are TV alarms former football players in the coaching range.
Speaker 3 (48:15):
Like a lot of times, that's that's how we were
able to do so much because we had some smart,
tough guys out there playing for us. So I'm looking
forward to talking to those guys, seeing them. I'm really
looking forward to meeting and talking to some of the guys,
hopefully a few from the losing street that they had
and just say, man, what you know, just give me
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a little bit. And I'm planning on doing some interviews
with some of those guys to just to see, you know,
I got like four or five questions, give me your
best story of you know, something that people don't believe happened,
but it was true. That happened at prayer, you know,
one of those strange but true types of things. So
I'm looking forward to the weekend and just getting to
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talk to guys about football and what they went through,
because at the end of the day, we always said
as coaches, different mascouts, but a lot of us had
the same problems. Whether we were winning or losing, we
still went through the same. The bus, I mean when
we were laughing talking about the bus breaking down somewhere,
or the time the equipment managers didn't close the bus
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and you make a turn trying to get on thirty
five in Dallas and have the equipment flies out of
the passing the side of the bus. They're just all
those little bit of stores that people wouldn't believe, but man.
Speaker 4 (49:35):
It didn't happen. It didn't happened to pretty much all
of us.
Speaker 3 (49:39):
So I'm looking forward to the stores and the laughter
and the camaraderie, you know. Like I say, I worked
at the school for nine years, but just talking to
the guys that played that they have a whole different
perspectives on the school. And then it's a lot of
Prairie guys from the street that are in coaching now,
you know.
Speaker 4 (49:58):
I know, I want to say, while I may have
two guys.
Speaker 3 (50:01):
That played before all the scholarships came back, so I'm
just waiting on football season to get tharted. I really
don't watch too much NFL preseason stuff, but I'm looking
I'm a college football fan at the end of the day,
so I can't wait for these week zero games.
Speaker 1 (50:17):
To get I know that's right. Sound like you're chopping
at the big coach, and it's gonna get here soon
and very soon, sir. And just as you are, we're
excited here at the open Mic as well. We want
to thank you coach for chopping it up with us
on today. Thank you guys for joining in Gonna Forget.
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Speaker 2 (50:42):
We had a twenty four hour stream that's available at
obnradio dot com. The time has come when we must
exit stage left. So until the next time, you guys,
be blessed and we'll see you on the other side.
And welcome back, ladies and gentlemen, to another episode of
After further Review with none other than Coach heinsch Nor.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
Then coach, how you doing today, my friend?
Speaker 3 (00:11):
Hey man, I'm still doing well, still doing well. You know,
I'm getting up there in aid that they say, getting
a littit more experienced. My daughter had her first day
of high school today, so we did a family drop
off and that went well. So it's gonna be interesting
to see how her day was because you know, she's
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going to Saint Agnes's Academy and from what I understand,
it ain't no orientation, just diving, jump off or get
pushed in the deep end and you better get back
to the side of the pool. So it's gonna be
interest to see how that goes. And then your your
favorite new recruit class suits.
Speaker 4 (00:52):
Look, SENI summer school with.
Speaker 3 (00:54):
Three ads, so he happy, and look, I'm gonna I'm
gonna just say the threshold is ninety is the lowest
you can get to make an eight that had had
a ninety one in two nineties. But he pulled it out,
so we had the fund, uh, you know, just for
him getting off to a good start. We were a
little word, because he got sick and missed a couple
(01:15):
of days of summer school, and that summer school class
is you know, a lot faster pace than what you
normally get, right, he had for him getting off to
a good start. Now, Uh, this weekend, he and I
going on campus.
Speaker 4 (01:30):
Saturday.
Speaker 3 (01:30):
They have an alumni event for the former football players
and coaches at Preview. So he and I gonna go
up there and you know, like say, let him, let
him catch up with his uncles and catch up with
the older guys that played there before.
Speaker 4 (01:45):
I got that.
Speaker 3 (01:45):
From what I under standing is a few guys even
from the nineteen sixties, uh, teams that are supposed to come.
And then you know you're still gonna have a few
guys from from the championship team. Really, I'm really looking
forward to child it up with some of the guys
from the Losing Street era because I played against some
of those guys and just you know, to me, the
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Prairie football means a lot from what I did winning
the championship or help them win the championship. If to me,
it represented those guys more than they represented anybody else
to me in the history of the university.
Speaker 1 (02:24):
Right, Well, there's always and I've said part of the
struggle was the people forget for and eighty commitments. It
might not have been a lot of success on this field,
but there was a lot of success in those classrooms
and actually on the field, because unless you've lived through it,
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it takes a special individual to keep showing up, giving
it all you got when you know more than likely
you're gonna lose, find a way to lose. And it
shows the tenacity of those guys. And I keep hearing
a cringe, and I keep hearing the old Prairie view,
I said, had been the.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
Old Praiview in a long long time. But that's what
people have to have fixed it in their mind.
Speaker 1 (03:11):
And as far as back to our freshly new recruit,
uh you just you just remember, you know, the Praiview
still producers productive people, you know, even if they do
have a Southern bloodline.
Speaker 4 (03:23):
And oh yeah, now look now, ain't he ain't gonna
let me forget that.
Speaker 3 (03:28):
Look these jokers he came home and like, hey, when
a Southern home come, I like what you want to,
you know, but you know, I know they're playing privieswe
he said, Oh yeah, me and some of my classmates
were gonna try to see if we could get together
and sort of carpool over. Then he asked me, he
called my dad Papa. You think we could say a
papa holl I'm like, look, man, that's between you and him,
(03:50):
and I don't know if hunting and he isn't gonna
be the starter by then, so you know, my dad.
Speaker 1 (03:54):
Probably yeah, October eighteenth, October eighteen, this Hunt seasons getting cranked.
Speaker 3 (03:58):
Up, seesd October first over there. It might be the
all around things. I mean, I think he's Halloween. But anyway, okay,
you know Papaul was gonna say yeah to him, and look,
be ready to cook. My dad he likes making pancakes
on the grilled pancakes, so he gonna he get that.
He get all us comes and all us Chalctor Tiffson,
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what you want?
Speaker 4 (04:21):
Write it down? How many you want? You know? All this?
Speaker 2 (04:22):
So he'll go, oh god, but you know that's what
that's what pap Paul's do.
Speaker 3 (04:27):
Man, Hey man, I'm trying to tell Look, man, it's
Southern homecoming and not they homecomings up back to back week.
So I say, man, there's gonna be some time. Folks
in the northern household filling with both Praier Views and Southern.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
Home I know that's right.
Speaker 4 (04:41):
I know that's right. Now.
Speaker 3 (04:44):
My wife's trying to get an all V for both homecomings.
I say, look, my dad lived five minutes from Southern campus.
I walk home from Southern University. My house right now
is about twenty minutes from Praierview Campus. So I'm like,
what do we need an RV?
Speaker 4 (04:59):
So when we.
Speaker 1 (05:01):
Look, that's the thing. Man, come on now, you got
to get win it.
Speaker 4 (05:05):
Coach.
Speaker 3 (05:06):
Hey man, the women are gonna win. I don't get
hide to the They gonna win at the end of
the day. So I'm gonna have fun either way.
Speaker 4 (05:12):
It go right and when and it's ironic.
Speaker 1 (05:15):
We're talking about the new generation of Panthers, the homecoming settings.
We got two weeks before this Labor Day classic and
prior to us, as they say, going live with this,
this is.
Speaker 2 (05:31):
Really dead week, Coach.
Speaker 1 (05:33):
The next two weeks is dead we there's nothing else
really that you can speculate because if there are any injuries,
they're gonna be masked. If there's any type of discription,
if you get a depth chart, if you get a roster,
don't you believe it. They're gonna be all kind of
little gainsmanship tactics going on right now. But this is
(05:55):
the time when everybody really got the shades down, the
door watch locks, and they're cooking creative plans and platforms
in these plays on the defensive office of scheme side
of things, right.
Speaker 3 (06:10):
Yes, sir so, So this is the way it's gonna
go for most people. Most people gonna have these final
scrimage either Friday or Saturday of this week, and they
may give the guys a little bit of time off
because for some of them they may have to move
from one door to the other.
Speaker 4 (06:25):
Uh, some of them, you just give them that.
Speaker 3 (06:28):
After Saturday, you might say, man, y'all, just beat us
at the swimming pool.
Speaker 4 (06:31):
We may do something.
Speaker 3 (06:32):
A real light a little light jog instead of practice,
or it may be a walk through everybody's you know,
put on your previews shawts and t shirts and some penansues,
and they may walk through in a dome or something
instead of going outside.
Speaker 4 (06:46):
So you may see that.
Speaker 3 (06:47):
And then Monday, I always, and I think privilege still
has another week before a class start, but that Monday
or the first day of class.
Speaker 4 (06:55):
Is usually the worst day of practice ever.
Speaker 3 (06:58):
But now this Monday that's coming up, you will see
everybody start putting a true depth trout together, start thinking
who's gonna travel, who's gonna be my top special team guys.
And then for Everview will start specifically game planning for
a Text Southern and Texas Southern will specifically.
Speaker 4 (07:18):
Start game plan. They gonna put.
Speaker 3 (07:21):
Together what most people call it look or scout team,
and now we want to run this play.
Speaker 4 (07:25):
We think this is.
Speaker 3 (07:26):
They gonna give us on first down, this is they
gonna give us on second with all the different situations,
and let's let's see what play we want to run.
Speaker 4 (07:34):
Do we have success with it?
Speaker 3 (07:36):
Or can the guys handle this information or can I
change a play called here go some artibles we might
if we see that they're gonna run a double back
of blitz off the edge, then what blitz or what
blitz check do we want to get to. So it's
it's a lot of look like you said them, depth
trusts don't mean nothing right now because everybody's a one
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top secret of almost like this seems sick.
Speaker 4 (08:00):
You don't know what they're gonna come out with.
Speaker 3 (08:02):
Some things donna change And then Hopefully neither school gets
an injury to somebody that they really count on, because
they can throw a.
Speaker 4 (08:10):
Lot of people for loop. This last these last couple
of weeks.
Speaker 3 (08:13):
Where you're getting into it now, injuries off part of football,
but you're hoping, like coach you say, you're hoping you
can get your horse to the stable, heap it and
then let's run this race.
Speaker 1 (08:23):
Yes, sir, yes, sir. So when you when you look
at all of this, I call it the hype. This
is the hype season right now. The water could have
shot us, and we're gonna do this and they gonna
do that. And I'm hearing people going back complaining I've
already thrown my little remedy out. What I think we
should do. It'll make life grander. I have seen it,
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and it seems like it's coming to fruition.
Speaker 4 (08:50):
Now.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
ESPN is not the darlings.
Speaker 1 (08:54):
That they want us to think that they are, and
so we got to position ourselves for the future. And
the future can be insulating. Making sure that all conference teams,
if they played each other and everybody had their one
money game or cupcake game, whatever you wanna call it,
you can pretty much set your scheduling, you can help
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your teams balance, and we're not playing in the SCS
playoffs anyway, what else is gonna matter.
Speaker 3 (09:23):
Yeah, So that's that's gonna be the thing that I guess.
Eventually they gonna have to come to a consensus on
how they gonna try to get the schedules.
Speaker 4 (09:32):
It mandatory or is it eight game nine games? Everybody
play everybody?
Speaker 3 (09:39):
Then you get the one quote unquote off we So
it just depends on what the what the presidents say,
because some schools are gonna to me, the schools that
make out better when everybody plays everybody and it's gonna
sound crazy, or the schools on the edge of the
Thunes in terms of travel, the prairie views take the
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Southern Pine Bluff and Valley are the ones on the
schools that gonna gonna sort of have it easy to
me the all Corn Southern, Jackson State, and Gramlin because
they have a shorter distance of travel to everybody, And
then those schools when they play each other, those fan
bases travel where you think when Jackson comes up back
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and Ruge Southern goes to Jackson, Gramlin go to Jackson,
so and those fan bases they gonna have they have
much more advantage if it comes to no matter which
way it goes, they gonna have more people in the stands.
The other thing that helps them too, if they play
each other non Trumfort, so Southern is on the where
Jackson on the east, that they still decide to play,
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that's the money make the same thing with Gramlin versus
Jackson State.
Speaker 4 (10:50):
That's the money making games for those.
Speaker 3 (10:52):
Institutions because the distance between Jackson and Gramlin and Jackson
and Southern it's just about the same, about two and
a half hours.
Speaker 4 (11:00):
To east place.
Speaker 3 (11:01):
So it can be good for those But I know
at one time they did it because the Prairie Views
Valleys time Bluffs were having trouble scheduling some of the.
Speaker 4 (11:12):
Other Sea schools.
Speaker 3 (11:14):
They always had to go on the road first, and
they couldn't get some of the bigger schools to quote
unquote bring them in for money game because they were
not given the right allignment either a dollar amount or
percentage of full scholarships to count as a victory for
some of the FBS programs.
Speaker 1 (11:32):
Right and with the way everything has been reformulated, if
you allow me to put it that way, you gotta
start having self preservation, right, because that's what the big
boys are doing.
Speaker 2 (11:44):
Right.
Speaker 1 (11:44):
So, and I get it, like you said, you want
to play the Southland schools, even if you get a
chance to.
Speaker 2 (11:54):
Do the Ohio Valley and the MEAC schools.
Speaker 1 (11:57):
To me, it would make more sense to play maybe
a non season I mean non conference me a copponent
then to be trying to play some of these Southern schools,
and even if the travel is close, because of the
probabilities of me seeing them down the road, it's not
going to happen, coach, because once again I've always you know,
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questioned this, Why be a part of the FCS and
play the fcscs if you're not going to participate in
the football playoffs? Okay, and we know the built in
mechanism for our part is the grammar in Southern game
at the Biyu Classic.
Speaker 2 (12:38):
It always interferes with the playoff season.
Speaker 1 (12:42):
And so why do we get upset if we don't
get an invite as an at large biz from the conference.
Speaker 3 (12:49):
Yeah, and then I remember a couple of years ago,
I want to say, Bam got in as a quote
uncote at largs.
Speaker 4 (12:57):
There. So it can work for certain things.
Speaker 3 (13:00):
But I don't think that's gonna have to be the
end all be all, because you know, a lot of
times you may think you want to go somewhere and
tell somebody say, okay, y'all going up and play South
Dakota State or one of those outdoor team the North
Dakota states up that way that play outside because you
know some of those schools still playing domes or smaller
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domes up there. But just say, if you get ten
to one of those northern OVC schools, then it can
be pretty cold up in the Tennessee Valley after Thanksgiving
or Thanksgiving weekend. So it's some things like that that
you have to think about unless you're gonna say, if
you are a Prairie View and you get an at
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Larst bed, do you make a bed to try to
host a home game and then you know whether you
win it or not. You may win or host the
game and see end up losing money.
Speaker 4 (13:53):
So right, that's one of.
Speaker 3 (13:54):
The things that people have to think about, Yeah, we
want to go to the playoffs. You know, hopefully just
say if prayer you get then and get the at Lard.
They may end up playing a very close Spoutland if
they have to go somewhere as opposed to going way
out with to the Sacramento state of Just say now.
Speaker 1 (14:14):
Coach, you know you're gonna have to repeat after me,
and it's called moving target. Any of our teams that.
Speaker 2 (14:19):
Get an at large vis if they do okay.
Speaker 1 (14:23):
Number one, with the way things are going right now,
you could get your second best team in there with
the East and West divisions, because sometimes you can have
a dominant team from either the vision and then whoever
happened to be behind that more dominant team will be
on the outside looking in right now. But the way
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you assure that you can't always have your best representing
the conference, because what's the ultimate goal, the celebration goal
for us, right, So dissolve your East and West, that
everybody play each other, your top two teams play for
the SWAG Championship.
Speaker 2 (15:05):
Doesn't it sound simple?
Speaker 4 (15:06):
Yeah, that's that's the easy way to do it. But
I think the only way.
Speaker 3 (15:10):
Is the easy way, Like you have to go back
to everybody playing everybody like.
Speaker 1 (15:14):
It was at one time, So right, what I'm saying,
but to me that that eliminates that they said, well
you didn't play such and such, you didn't play them,
you didn't play. Everybody plays everybody last man standing, get
to talk to noise.
Speaker 4 (15:29):
And then the other thing too.
Speaker 3 (15:32):
I remember it was some debate that you would have
to sign out just say if Valley might have been
playing Texas sub did it counts as.
Speaker 4 (15:40):
A conference game? You know, all those different things.
Speaker 1 (15:43):
But what I'm saying, if you do it, if you
do it like this, every game is a conference game.
Speaker 3 (15:48):
Yeah, and that way it makes sense. But I like
that I've been in the meeting that went into the
decisions that were made as to why and why not.
It has gone both ways. But like I said, I
hadn't been in the meeting since Fami and Bathoon during
the company, but before I had sat in those meetings
as to why when they went to the from the seven.
Speaker 4 (16:12):
Games to the nine games.
Speaker 3 (16:14):
And then how they stayed with the East and West
because like I said, I I probably wouldn't have thought
that all Cone would have moved over. But like said,
the big scheme of things, it made it made sense.
But yeah, like I say, I don't know much about football,
you know, I just I just coached for a while
and have.
Speaker 4 (16:33):
A degree in forced administration.
Speaker 3 (16:34):
But I do understand the inner workings of why it
went that way, and it was just it was really
almost like you said it was, it was for the
best of the for the conference at that time because
you you were having people with scheduling problems for.
Speaker 1 (16:50):
Like we're talking we're talking with coach Heist Northern with
after further review here at the helping Mike Broadcast Network coach.
We've talked to extras and those to our after off season.
As they said, the rubbers meeting the road right now
when you put them together, your team, your final piece
if you would to present for the season. You're going
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through your depths. You got guys on the bubble. You're
trying to figure out fish. You're trying to figure out that,
and believe it or not, there's going to be a
rascal or two that will show up when school is
a fisher open to come talk to one of the
coach about trying to be a walk home.
Speaker 3 (17:30):
Yes, sir, so that was one of the things that
It's funny. So I went to watch pray a few
practice last Saturday and it was a guy that coach
sat of had been given from away a sound. He
had been given the guy multiple chance to make plays
and the guy you know, sort of wouldn't do just
basically what coach acting to do. And I heard the
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coach tell a guy like man, it was almost like, man,
I can't wait until next week for somebody to come
out the street and do exactly what I tell him.
And then you get stuck behind that kid because you know,
I you know, almost like they say, if you fail
and doing something in the sport, switch coach asked you
to do the first time.
Speaker 4 (18:09):
So it's some good players. Look. I talked to a
guy that played for US, Ricky.
Speaker 3 (18:16):
I can't I think it's last thing might be Simpson,
but anyway, Ricky was a walk on from Madison High
School play quarterback in high school, and he said he
remember coach Pierce Prince Pearson coming to the school to
recruit him, and he say, lo and behold Coach pe
saw him on caps, like, man, I thought you said
you was come and play football. And this was maybe
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rick second or third year school. So eventually he ended
up coming out Joker walked on and ended up starting
a game or two far almost a whole season one
year because we had some jery. But at the bottom line,
you can it's easy to find those skill guys. You're
not gonna find the six three, two hundred and ninety
pound jokers that's gonna walk through the door.
Speaker 4 (18:58):
But a Quentin.
Speaker 3 (18:59):
Spears was a walk on their prairie. I look back
at the film of the year that we won the championship.
Two of our three star linebackers will walk on guys.
So you can find you some good football, especially if
you had a program that you could bring them in,
let them develop, put on a few pounds and nine
pounds out of ten they need the game ten or
fifteen pounds or lose thirty pounds if you gonna get
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some of the big old jokers that man I wasn't
gonna play. And then they see somebody in the cafeteria
that they played against a whip and they started thinking.
So they said, man I could do what he did
or whatever. And you know, one of the things I
talked about with Adam he was debating on trying to
play baseball their prayer. I was like, you've seen some
of the guys that you know is going to prayview.
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You know, in his mind, he's like, man I am
as good as a better than some of those guys
that I know are going. You know, if I put
my best foot for so, you gonna get that. Guys
that walk off the street, and some guys know they
want to play football, and then some guys you may
see that, Hey man, I remember you from such and such,
Why don't you come try out?
Speaker 4 (20:02):
Especially the kid with a track background.
Speaker 3 (20:04):
You don't hardly turn them jokers down, But somebody a
joker from a good program and a joker from a
track background, you don't. You don't turn those because you're
gonna need some numbers for your scout team.
Speaker 1 (20:14):
But if you can find some big rock shapes that
and special teams, you always gotta find you a kamakazi
guy who just really don't care. He just like contact.
You know, you don't. We call him a tackling dummies.
They just they just want to be out there and
hitting anything with anybody.
Speaker 4 (20:30):
They don't care.
Speaker 3 (20:31):
And look, I found some real good whether the grambling
wherever I was, I've been looking up to find they
all look like they bought the same size with a
tip on their shoulder. The look the five eight kid
who probably walk around with no shirt on all day
because he got two percent bidy fat.
Speaker 4 (20:49):
But that joker is aggressive and fast.
Speaker 3 (20:52):
He understand leverage, he understand contact, and like say, when
he hit, he's stick. But I've been looking up finding
call him wildcat. You know they now they might not
always do what you asking them do, but they gonna
be going full feed.
Speaker 4 (21:07):
So he might be a guy. Look, you go be
the gun.
Speaker 3 (21:09):
We might not ask you to come play on third
down or big down, but you're gonna be a gun
on punt team.
Speaker 4 (21:16):
You're gonna be a guy that goes wherever the bout.
Speaker 3 (21:18):
You sort of scheme your kickoff team around this that like,
look y'all staying y'all lane, let him go wherever you
feel like. God, he's so fast, he's gonna get in
front of everybody. You read off him. If he go inside,
you go outside, you go outside, you go inside. And uh,
that's the way I've coached some guys like that. Hey,
you know, let him play football, Let them do what
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they do best. You find what they can do and
how they can help the team.
Speaker 1 (21:42):
Now, coach, we know the ultimate goal for any kid
that starts, I don't care what sport is.
Speaker 2 (21:50):
We just have to be talking about football right now.
Their ultimate goal is to get the bag when they
hear their name.
Speaker 1 (21:56):
Called on the NFL stage, right, we know the reality
is only two percent. How do you coach that and
express that to guys on any level?
Speaker 4 (22:13):
You know?
Speaker 2 (22:15):
Because really it's about winning where you are and get
it to the next level.
Speaker 1 (22:20):
And sometimes I know guys want to get into schemes
where they're gonna be seeing seen or their skill sets displayed.
But would it be more advantageous to try to build
a winning program than a few good players that make
it to the league.
Speaker 3 (22:34):
Yeah, But the thing about it is it sometimes it
goes hand in hand depend on the level.
Speaker 4 (22:39):
Now, some guys, they may be.
Speaker 3 (22:41):
Very good football players, because of genetics, they're not gonna
have a nip at the league. You know, the five
six cornerback. Even if you gotta fight the n VERBA
run a full three for they not gonna get a chance.
So some guys don't get eliminated from a genetics standpoint.
The other guys may get eliminated from a scheme standpoint
or a speed because a lot of times, and I'm
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you know, sat in person there meets in the NFL,
they may I've heard NFL coaches clash scouts say, give
me a fast guy, especially if he's from a smaller school,
because they don't think guys from smaller programs, whether HBCU
or not.
Speaker 4 (23:21):
But more so, HBCUs have a coach. Well, so if
you give me.
Speaker 3 (23:25):
A fast guy that meets past the eyeball test, they
feel like they have enough time in.
Speaker 4 (23:32):
A day to teach that guy in football. And you know,
he don't have to go to classes, he don't have
to worry about this or that. All they gonna do.
Speaker 3 (23:39):
And they have people that are the analysts that, hey, man,
if we got a guy that they think have talent,
they will take that joker and spend a lot of
time with him.
Speaker 4 (23:50):
Okay, this is what we're doing. Okay, you need to
know this.
Speaker 3 (23:52):
I've seen coaches that want to see a kid have success.
Just say, if you the second team defensive back and
we got ten plays and teams you are gonna get
played dick through nine. They would bring that joke in say,
on play one, this is what you got on play two,
this what you got on play three. While you're in
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your three plays, they gonna tell you exactly what to do,
and I will say, let's see if he can retain
that information. Now, if he can handle those three plays,
then tomorrow he might get five.
Speaker 4 (24:22):
Reps or something like that.
Speaker 3 (24:24):
So that's sort of how they catch guys up. But
the biggest thing as a coach, man, as sad as
it may sound, you won't guys go to the NFL,
but you not paid to get You paid to win games.
That's why I say scheduling may be more important than
who your recruit, because if you schedule.
Speaker 4 (24:42):
Right, you can win right. Then as you start winning,
then your recruits are you gonna change?
Speaker 2 (24:47):
Okay? And so it goes to.
Speaker 1 (24:52):
Addressing the reality or the elephant in the room when
you're sitting there with the kids, you know, talking to
mom and and they've been telling this kids since he
could walk that he was the best thing since life's
read that Hey, you know, yeah he's good.
Speaker 2 (25:09):
And he can help us this, that and the other.
Speaker 1 (25:11):
But if you want to graduate, if you want to
have a winning experience, if you want to have a
magical time, this is the place to be. But we
are desirous to get you professional. But the professional ranks
we're talking about is that of a college degree.
Speaker 4 (25:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (25:27):
Man, a lot of a lot of parents they you know,
they don't care about that.
Speaker 4 (25:33):
When they signing a committee.
Speaker 3 (25:35):
You very rarely hear a kid nowadays talk about what
they go a maze And if you watch the game,
go look and see how many kids amazing and interdiscipline.
They studies are still unknown or undeclared, going until they
second or third year of school. You used to know
by then what you're gonna major in or what you
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and then I've taught the kids that have gone, I
just I'm just texting in them. So you talk to
a kid and you say, man, how you get into agriculture?
You know you're from South Dallas, but you're a made
an ad.
Speaker 4 (26:12):
And takes the night. You know, that's pretty much what
they told me. I was gonna be in a you
go to certain school, you might be in African American? Like,
what are you gonna do with that degree?
Speaker 3 (26:20):
If you talk to them, so it's, uh, it's you know,
they they just take what's given to them sometimes. But
I think with the amount of money that some of
these kids making, making it to the NFL is not
the biggest thing on their mind.
Speaker 4 (26:34):
Because some of those guys are making.
Speaker 3 (26:36):
You know, six or eight hundred thousand dollars a year
already so making it to the NFL may be a bonus.
But if they play it right and use a network
on campus, I mean you you can live off of
setting money aside for four or five years. You know,
you graduate from college a two millionaire. Almost different place
(26:57):
cause right now, right, some of those guys getting nil
then may still be living on campus and eating for free.
Speaker 4 (27:04):
So you stacking money. It's not like the two and
three thousand dollars a month apartments. You should be able
to if you play your cards right, leave with a
whole lot of money.
Speaker 3 (27:15):
The biggest expense on expense gonna be maybe some of
them guys by the gold chain, and then the cause
is going to be the second biggest that spent.
Speaker 4 (27:23):
You know, vice versas well.
Speaker 1 (27:25):
We'll not do Remember most of the guys we're talking
about in that power for end, not in our end
of the fool And I got to remind you because
you can't be using that for fanity on this is
a family.
Speaker 4 (27:38):
Yeah, I just used I just used them because I
was thinking closely.
Speaker 3 (27:42):
But at the end of the fact is sometimes when
you talk to those guys about those majors and why
they chose that, they were told that, oh it's easy
to stay eligible in that major at right.
Speaker 2 (27:57):
Right, But we know that's really a disserve is to
the kid.
Speaker 1 (28:01):
And we're talking about all these nil deals for the
well being of the student aft which I'm all for,
but it's almost like a blatant manipulation to throw these
kids in these majors that they're a They don't even
understand what major they're in, and we'll never be able
to put it to use. And if you happen to
do well on whatever plan surface you're on, they might
(28:23):
look out for you. But really it's almost it's like
a process of taking you to a meat plant, getting
you through the different categories to pass the eyeball test,
as you mentioned, to help the bottom line, help the
program win. Whether you make it pro or not, that's
not our concern. But we're gonna do what we can
to help you help us win, Yes.
Speaker 3 (28:43):
Sir, Then look, this is the other things so I'm
talking to it, and I may have mentioned it before
about some guys when they get to school, to say,
a football player may take every class that he's taking
this ball online. Then in the spring he may have
to go to classes vice versus say, Adam may take
(29:04):
all of his class classes on campus and have to
go set foot in the building. But in the spring,
all of his classes may be online. But I know
some schools are doing that. So uh, like say, you
wonder how some guys you hear about the four point
ohs and the three point nine, how.
Speaker 4 (29:22):
They're getting it. I know exactly how it happened because.
Speaker 3 (29:25):
I have I have seen other schools that I coached
against pass work from one player.
Speaker 4 (29:30):
To the other, or you go into the you go
into the study.
Speaker 3 (29:34):
Hall and you got six guys in the same class
working on the same paper, all the same answer.
Speaker 4 (29:42):
So it's different ways.
Speaker 2 (29:44):
That collaboration coach the solo group projects.
Speaker 3 (29:50):
You know, yes, and then it used to be correspondence
because so just say if a guy took a class
at Praierview didn't do well, he'll find a junior guys
that he could take it to. Then at the end
of the week or two he sends all this work in.
But like you say, you you're keeping that work for
the next that is gonna need that thing corresponds cause
(30:11):
the next year to get elvil. So you know, it's
it's different ways that people are getting their cat as
they say.
Speaker 2 (30:17):
Well, it's also old saying. If if you're not cheating,
you're not trying, well it.
Speaker 3 (30:23):
Ain't really beating if it's a loophole, as they say,
you know, loopholes are not cheating.
Speaker 1 (30:29):
From my understandings. Ah, okay, that's that's how that works.
Maybe that's the maybe. Look, maybe that's the new perierviews.
Speaker 4 (30:38):
No, I'm not gonna say that now. No, no, I'm
just saying it.
Speaker 1 (30:42):
I said, you know, I say it's not the old
praise because Praiervie is known to be going to the
bottom letter the law. Now no, no, no, no, man,
the crazy thing about it, like you talk about that.
So another thing with with you.
Speaker 3 (30:55):
Know, when I was there, we had some academic issues
with the APO and all that kind. So every now
and then I might even for Coach Fraser, he would
send me to some of those n Cuba. They would
have regional meetings for basically all the schools that may
have got in trouble been on probation. And then it's
almost like just imagine you in jail and they say, okay,
(31:18):
all you guys that got caught stealing, we're gonna send
y'all over here, and we gonna tell y'all these rules.
But then when you get to the rules, everybody is
in there talking about how they should have sold differently
or better. You know, it's one of the I'm in
there listening to other schools that have engineering majors, like
(31:38):
how are your engineers staying elsewhere? And it really is
a five year program, but the track or the Greek
percentages based off four years.
Speaker 4 (31:46):
What do you guys doing there? Okay, we had to
do this.
Speaker 3 (31:49):
So it's different things that you can pick up from,
like say the honor amongst these programs can help you
find that loophole to say engineering is one hundred and
thirty hours when most of the other degree plans are
one hundred and twenty hours. How can you get around
that fact? So it's a lot that you can learn
(32:11):
from breaking the rule. But like I say, a loophole
is as some coach's best friend, then you have some
of the academic advisors or the compliance officers they worry
about they die.
Speaker 4 (32:22):
So it's a tug back and.
Speaker 3 (32:24):
Forth between the two to keep guys else especially at
a known engineering an architect school as Preyerview is, or
just say at school like southern where they produce a
lot of engineers as well.
Speaker 4 (32:36):
So at some schools it's harder to.
Speaker 3 (32:40):
Sort of find that loophole or use that loophole, and
at other schools it ain't no loophole. It's a straight
line to get to from point A to B with
some infractions.
Speaker 1 (32:50):
Almost right right, Well, they call that synergy where everybody
is on the same page, seating off each other, because
it really, you know, when we go to Prayview, focus
on Prairie for a moment. To me, Purviews, part of
what the people thought the problem actually was wasn't what
(33:11):
it actually was. It wasn't a field product concern. It
was an administrator behind the scene teamwork, cohesive concern, compliance,
getting together with administration, administration, getting together with the physical
therapists and all this, everybody, you know, creating the same
goal instead of everybody kind offending for themselves.
Speaker 3 (33:35):
Yes, so I told people, I told one person, I
may be wrong, and you, being a Prairie guy a
lot longer than me.
Speaker 4 (33:41):
I told somebody.
Speaker 3 (33:42):
A part of the problem that the streak maybe lasted
so long was the fact that the school in particular
was still doing well. Because I know a lot of
people from Baton Ruge that didn't want to go to
Southern would come to Praiview if they wanted to be
an engineer. Is the fact that the school was still
doing so good, still had a great reputation, and my opinion,
(34:07):
was part of the reason that the street glass long
because like, we're still doing good though well.
Speaker 2 (34:12):
I said, people don't we we talked about the O
and eighty.
Speaker 1 (34:16):
What they're saying COMNA called seventy eight seventy eight percent
of the student athletes involved during the losing days were graduating.
Speaker 4 (34:27):
Yeah, yeah, and that that is unheard of. Yep, No,
that is unheard of.
Speaker 1 (34:34):
And coaching because they've been there, done that. The entire
athletic budget for Prairieview A and M University was eight
hundred thousand dollars. I'm talking about football, basketball, baseball, volleyball.
(34:54):
We didn't have softball at the time, but all your
sports were offering and at that time, the folks that
you was cussing up the road, their football program alone
was two million dollars.
Speaker 4 (35:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (35:06):
And then the other thing that people don't talk about too,
with most of your your budget was going towards.
Speaker 4 (35:12):
Just traveling and getting somewhere.
Speaker 3 (35:13):
So yeah, sure, because your budget is you know, now
you go from feeding the kids properly to let's see,
how can we how can we almost not feed them.
I remember somebody almost saying, if we get back to
school by a certain time, you still can eat on campus,
or let's get back by such such time from a.
Speaker 4 (35:36):
Saturday night game to almost times.
Speaker 3 (35:40):
If we was coming back from Alabama, well, as soon
as we get to school, the kids can go eat.
Now you don't have to buy the meal on the
road or somewhere. Just say, if I was at Grambling
and we played in Alabama State, when we got on
the bus first thing in the morning, each seat was
probably gonna have a dozen Christmas Kreme donuts. Then we're
gonna ride I'm Meridian, and probably stop at a Golden
(36:03):
Crab type place.
Speaker 4 (36:04):
Brunt shown it.
Speaker 3 (36:05):
And then when we get to campus, joker still might
eat on campus or something like that. So you know,
it's just like just a difference in how programs are run.
When you, hey, coach, and you wasn't staying in no hotels, you.
Speaker 4 (36:18):
Know now, look we didn't. My wife was laughing at
still of the store. When I went recruiting one time
I was in Dallas and I you know, I'm young
before this, actually before I got married. But I go
to a.
Speaker 3 (36:32):
Hotel and I say, ma'am, I'm looking for an ironing board.
The lady said, look, you have to bring your clothes
to the Libby and Iron, and you can't, uh, we
don't have in the visit something like man. I said
to myself there, I said, man, what am I doing
with my life? I'm round here trying to go find
some recruits in South Dallas. And the ladies said, you
got to bring your clothes.
Speaker 4 (36:53):
To the Libby and Iron.
Speaker 3 (36:54):
I say, man, look, that was a one night hotel,
so most of the time I would go.
Speaker 4 (36:59):
I would get there on Monday and stay there Thursday
night or something like that. Oh.
Speaker 2 (37:03):
Man, the sacrifices, right, the sacrifices.
Speaker 3 (37:08):
Look, if people only knew some of the stuff coaches
did to get players, man, they'd be like, nah, man,
you ain't do that.
Speaker 4 (37:14):
Hey, coach.
Speaker 1 (37:16):
That was a baseball tournament in Fort Worth, and I
can't remember what year it was, but you know, I
was traveling.
Speaker 2 (37:24):
You know how long I've been doing this travel on
my own?
Speaker 1 (37:26):
Right, And so I'm like, I gotta get where I
can get right, Let's just say it like this, Because
I had a couple of guards at one of the
places I was staying at, and my pay for them
was a half pint and.
Speaker 2 (37:42):
A case for them to watch my room.
Speaker 1 (37:45):
I was gone to make sure, but to get anything
that's gonna take to get the job done. And when
you see how things have evolved today, it makes you proud,
makes you appreciative or from whence you come. But then
you're looking at the more things change, more they stay
the same, because even though we're staying in better hotels
(38:06):
and we're eating better meals, there's still this big gap
between the halves and the half nots.
Speaker 4 (38:11):
Hey man, they got so big, man, it ain't even funny.
It is wide, wide wide.
Speaker 3 (38:18):
When you're talking about if you just go watch some
of these teams eat, or just watch what they have
just for a breakfast.
Speaker 4 (38:26):
You know, you got an omeletip ball.
Speaker 3 (38:29):
At certain schools, you got the shakes, you got the
peanut butter and jelly sandwiches, the muscle milks, you know,
all that type of stuff that's gonna make supposed to
make you a better player.
Speaker 4 (38:41):
But you're like, say, all this stuff help.
Speaker 3 (38:43):
Instead of you know, just you go somewhere else and
they just got a loaf of bread and peanut butter.
You got to fix your own sandwiches. Right, It's just
a difference. And you know the amount of people that
you have taping ankles and all that. Some schools had
it where the only time you got tape was on
(39:04):
game days, or you know, you wear ankle breaks as
opposed to getting tape to save money. So it's just
it's just totally different from as they say, the haves
and the haves.
Speaker 4 (39:14):
Not even though the not sometimes I appreciate being a
knot a lot of times. You know, just my grind,
I say, is different than right.
Speaker 1 (39:24):
Right, right right, And some people are comfortable being or not,
but when you realize they are not.
Speaker 2 (39:30):
It's not by fault.
Speaker 1 (39:32):
It's sometimes by design by preference because when you when
you stay low key and your grind and then it's
about performance.
Speaker 2 (39:41):
I don't have to tell you what I've done. You
can see what I've done and then okay, good no, no,
go ahead, go ahead, go ahead.
Speaker 4 (39:47):
I was gonna say. The other thing is sometimes you
don't know that you're not so just white. But now
my wife went to an all girls school of doominly
White and Baton Rouge.
Speaker 3 (39:57):
And she said, you know, she thought they were living
pretty good in their little section of band Ruge. Then
she go to one of her classmates house and the
mayor of bad Ruge, LSU head coach lived down the street.
The governor when he not in his mansion, he got
this placed over here. So it's a totally different balls.
Oh man, Yes, like I say, you realize, like, man,
(40:17):
people people living like this in Baton Ruge, or when
my mom would have catering jobs and you know she
worked for black then white. Then you get to a
certain black party, like, man, I didn't know black folks
lived like this in Baton Ruge, so they don't realize
you're not that. But like I say, you thinking, man,
I'm living a good life.
Speaker 4 (40:35):
But you take what you can and make the best
of that, y coach.
Speaker 1 (40:39):
I had an old roommate from Dallas, Texas. Right now
I'm from Saint Louis. I'm struggling. You know, I'm not
even robbing Peter to pay Paul. I'm robbing uh Loop
to pay to pay Paul and Pete.
Speaker 2 (40:52):
I'm robbing. I'm robbing whoever I can rob right and uh,
and we we scrape up some money to go to
Dallas for the weekend. We went for the weekend, some
type of break we had. So we get there. We
pull up in this nice neighborhood.
Speaker 1 (41:08):
I'm like, wow, you live here? And he was like,
well yeah. I'm like, you gotta pull up in the ride.
It's a nice drive card in the driveway. Man, that's
n who's cars that? He said, Well, that's my car.
And I'm like, hey, man, I said, I know why
I'm struggling. I said, why are we struggling going through
(41:30):
all these changes we got and you got he said,
man that well, that ain't my money.
Speaker 2 (41:34):
That's that's my folks money. I said, you're the only child.
Speaker 1 (41:39):
I said, Man, I said, something got to change. But yeah,
it's a lot of people that are living large. And
then you got some people who are accustomed to that grind.
They don't mind the ride even when they quote unquote
make it. They know what got them there, and so
their comforabent staying there, not living beneath their skill set,
(42:02):
but just being comforting and appreciating whatever they come across.
Speaker 4 (42:05):
Keep doing what you've got to get there.
Speaker 3 (42:08):
I think a lot of times as coaches, especially once
you go from a coordinator to the head coach, we
go from being somebody else's best coach, so sometimes not
being our own.
Speaker 4 (42:20):
Best assistant coach. So that's like they say that.
Speaker 3 (42:23):
Grind hits different people differently depending on what you end
up doing at the end of the day. But uh,
you know this just the football world is a lot
smaller than people think it is. At the same time,
it's some big spaces in between. And even you know,
just say, even within the conference. You can look at
(42:44):
the halves of the Jackson States of Alabama States versus
the nots of the Valleys and super Thunes or whatever.
So even within this it's still some some big difference though.
Speaker 1 (42:55):
Well it's ironic you brought up Alabama State. Uh, Alabama
State has been known to be very uh flexible with
their athletic budget. But when when you look at the
student enrollment, coach, a lot of people might not realize
that they're not as large as you would think, barely
(43:18):
at four thousand students, okay, but their budget shows bigger
than that.
Speaker 2 (43:24):
And I was thinking, we know the blue bloods and
and and you know, some might not like what I'm
about to say, But the facts are the facts.
Speaker 1 (43:33):
The needle movers for the Southwestern Athletic Conference in any
particular order, it's going to be Jackson, Southern, faund All Corn.
Speaker 2 (43:43):
Uh did I say grandly?
Speaker 4 (43:47):
No? You did?
Speaker 1 (43:50):
Yeah, those are going to be. Those are going to
be your your your your main five pushers. Yes, And
you might not like that, might not want to hear that, Okay,
but that's just what it is. Now.
Speaker 2 (44:05):
Maybe that's got to do with the team's fan bases,
how they travel and all that, but those are the
five that are going to move the needle. Other than
those five that I've just mentioned.
Speaker 1 (44:16):
Coach, if you could pick one or two programs that
you would call your sleeper for this twenty twenty five
football campaign, who would it be and why.
Speaker 4 (44:29):
Who's gonna be the sleeper?
Speaker 3 (44:31):
I think you have to throw Alabama in them in
the mix. And the reason why I say them is because,
almost like coach Barry going from benedict to South Carolina State,
you have an INN State Division two coach going to
a FCS program and he can be could have or
(44:53):
brought quite a few kids with him. I think that's
a big difference maker than some of the ou Just
say even a coach Jackie, yeah he's coming home. But
some of those doctor kids, yeah they came, but they
may not have come in the droves that the kids
from Miles to Alabama, A and M to see what
I'm saying. So, but I think you almost have to
(45:16):
give them the knob over everybody else if you want
to talk about somebody.
Speaker 4 (45:22):
That may sneak up on somebody.
Speaker 3 (45:24):
But the one thing that may hurt them is I
understand the quarterback that they got from Pine Bluff is
not gonna be able to play this year, so that's a.
Speaker 4 (45:36):
Negative for them.
Speaker 3 (45:38):
But I would say them, I think you have to
go with them in terms of can sneak up on
somebody on the.
Speaker 4 (45:45):
West, I don't.
Speaker 3 (45:47):
I don't ever say Preiview Texas Southern gonna sneak up
on somebody. But because of the history I think you
have to give from what coach this did last year.
Speaker 4 (45:58):
You may say they may qut them coach.
Speaker 3 (46:00):
Sneak up on some people, but I don't look at
them as sneaking up on because they play, you know,
get a pun off against Southern.
Speaker 4 (46:07):
The ball game different.
Speaker 3 (46:09):
So and and their quarterback is supposed to be coming
back from last year, so I think you have to
give the nud to West Texas Southern possibly and on
the east of Alabama and.
Speaker 1 (46:22):
Okay then okay, then so we'll earmark those two and
see what the end is going to be. Well, coach,
I know you got a lot of traveling plans and
some and they say moving around, getting things done. And
we're looking forward to chopping it up all season long, man,
and want to get you some clothes and thoughts and
(46:44):
comments as we can get ready to shut this week's
segments down.
Speaker 3 (46:48):
Yeah, so uh this this week football wise, I am
actually going to take the Southern practice tomorrow after I
dropped my daughter off at school. So coach this one
was nice enough to let me come down and I'll
go watch them practice. Like I said, I when I go,
I don't look at scheme much. I look at how
guys moving around. I look at side, and I look
(47:11):
at quarterback play.
Speaker 4 (47:12):
You know who do I see? That's gonna be a problem,
especially in some one on one.
Speaker 3 (47:18):
Matchup for the receivers and dbs or if I see
a dB you know nice six.
Speaker 4 (47:24):
Too long on joker that may cause problems for the
other team.
Speaker 3 (47:28):
Like you're not gonna get it in deep balls on
like you may get something under, something underneath.
Speaker 4 (47:33):
But that's the things I look for.
Speaker 3 (47:34):
So I'm gonna go watch them practice tomorrow and I
pretty much catch the whole practice. I like watching from
stretch to ice club, you know, pretty much. And then Saturday,
I'm looking forward to seeing a few of the former
players that played for me and I know, and man,
I didn't realize so many guys that played for US
(47:56):
or high school coaching now, so you know some of
the guys that I talked about. Hey, man, you're gonna
make the event on Saturday, now, coach, we got a
screaming sad Now, coach, we got a such and such,
we got media day on SAD.
Speaker 4 (48:07):
So you have quite a few guys in this area
that are TV alarms former football players in the coaching range.
Speaker 3 (48:15):
Like a lot of times, that's that's how we were
able to do so much because we had some smart,
tough guys out there playing for us. So I'm looking
forward to talking to those guys, seeing them. I'm really
looking forward to meeting and talking to some of the guys,
hopefully a few from the losing street that they had
and just say, man, what you know, just give me
(48:36):
a little bit. And I'm planning on doing some interviews
with some of those guys to just to see, you know,
I got like four or five questions, give me your
best story of you know, something that people don't believe happened,
but it was true. That happened at prayer, you know,
one of those strange but true types of things. So
I'm looking forward to the weekend and just getting to
(49:00):
talk to guys about football and what they went through,
because at the end of the day, we always said
as coaches, different mascouts, but a lot of us had
the same problems. Whether we were winning or losing, we
still went through the same. The bus, I mean when
we were laughing talking about the bus breaking down somewhere,
or the time the equipment managers didn't close the bus
(49:23):
and you make a turn trying to get on thirty
five in Dallas and have the equipment flies out of
the passing the side of the bus. They're just all
those little bit of stores that people wouldn't believe, but man.
Speaker 4 (49:35):
It didn't happen. It didn't happened to pretty much all
of us.
Speaker 3 (49:39):
So I'm looking forward to the stores and the laughter
and the camaraderie, you know. Like I say, I worked
at the school for nine years, but just talking to
the guys that played that they have a whole different
perspectives on the school. And then it's a lot of
Prairie guys from the street that are in coaching now,
you know.
Speaker 4 (49:58):
I know, I want to say, while I may have
two guys.
Speaker 3 (50:01):
That played before all the scholarships came back, so I'm
just waiting on football season to get tharted. I really
don't watch too much NFL preseason stuff, but I'm looking
I'm a college football fan at the end of the day,
so I can't wait for these week zero games.
Speaker 1 (50:17):
To get I know that's right. Sound like you're chopping
at the big coach, and it's gonna get here soon
and very soon, sir. And just as you are, we're
excited here at the open Mic as well. We want
to thank you coach for chopping it up with us
on today. Thank you guys for joining in Gonna Forget.
You can follow me on Twitter x at the Mike
(50:37):
French Show, subscribe to the YouTube channel with the open
Mic Broadcast Network.
Speaker 2 (50:42):
We had a twenty four hour stream that's available at
obnradio dot com. The time has come when we must
exit stage left. So until the next time, you guys,
be blessed and we'll see you on the other side.
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