December 30, 2025 • 42 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
And welcome back to the lock of room.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
Got the Guru.
Speaker 1 (00:05):
We're coming on the last days of twenty twenty five.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
Sir, How are you today?
Speaker 3 (00:10):
Doing fine? I guess this is the week that everybody
will reflect on what took place in twenty twenty five
and look forward to twenty twenty six.
Speaker 1 (00:19):
I know I am well, you know, I am also coach,
were probably for the wrong reasons. You know, I'm still
I'm still in recovery mode with my Panthers, but you know,
I'm still a fan coach and oh my, oh my goodness,
the debacle that we experienced. But I'll get through it.
(00:44):
I'll get through it. You know, it's not the end
of the world. You know, there's a lot to look
forward to. Still a strong twenty twenty five for the
network and for people such as you being involved with
the network. And we're looking forward to a productive twenty
twenty six.
Speaker 3 (01:01):
Sir. Yeah, And that's that's what that's the mindset we
all should have look forward to twenty twenty six and
making things bigger and.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
Better, Yes, sir, yes, sir.
Speaker 1 (01:12):
Speaking of bigger and better, my Panthers came up a
little short last night against them Aggie's from up the way.
But I got that mid coacher, I'm still feeling good
that they lost to Miami in the playoffs.
Speaker 2 (01:27):
That's kind of wrong, her coach.
Speaker 3 (01:29):
Well, yeah, the SEC's looking kind of bad in these
playoffs right now, in the bowl games really, uh huh. Yeah,
they're not doing well. So that that powerful SEC that's
supposed to be the most dominant league in college football.
They they got to get their giddy up on because
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they're looking real bad right now.
Speaker 1 (01:51):
Well, you know what, coach, I was doing a self
analysis of the Big Ten in particular, and when you
look at it, if you remove Ohio State and Michigan
and we know Indiana's having an exceptional year this year,
who do they really have that brings fear in your heart.
Speaker 3 (02:12):
Well, for a lot of people, it's gonna be Oregon,
you know, and it's you know, it's kind of hard
to say organ in the Big Ten, right they are.
They are part of the Big Ten, now, uh huh. Offensively, man,
you gotta be you gotta be ready for them on
the defensive side, because offensively they're one of the highest
scoring teams in the country. So Oregon still has the
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Big Ten. Uh bringing fear to some people because of
how they play, their style of play.
Speaker 2 (02:44):
Okay, but but will you look up and down?
Speaker 1 (02:46):
I think it's what eighteen teams that they have, sixteen,
eighteen ten.
Speaker 3 (02:50):
They got probably logic.
Speaker 1 (02:52):
Yeah, it's not a lot of them bringing you know, like,
oh wow, I fear them, you know, So I said, Okay,
and then when you look at the SCC, I guess
you would say Alabama, Georgia.
Speaker 2 (03:04):
Oh of consistency. I'm talking about that.
Speaker 1 (03:07):
You know that's going to be in the mix every
now and then you get a peak from Tennessee. Yeah, yeah,
don't say that word.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
Coach.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
This is the family show. Coach is the family show.
I guess University of Texas. But they're kind of sporadic
as well. But we'll we'll see which I'm I'm gonna
circle around to that in a minute, because I know
we talked a little bit last week about it. But
let's go into the basketball part first, since that, you know,
at least, seems to be the forefront as we get
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through this sun raising season of things that are going
on through out the Southwestern Athletic Conference.
Speaker 3 (03:44):
Right everything kicks off, believe it or not, Thursday night, yes, sir,
the ladies are on center stage. UH, and right off
the bat, you're gonna have some great matchups. You got
preyerview going down to buy under Rouge, so your path
to be UH tested early to dress.
Speaker 1 (04:04):
Say, coming out coming out with a tall order.
Speaker 2 (04:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (04:07):
Yeah. And then Alabama and M's at Mississippi Valley. UH,
Alabama State to be at Arkansas Pine Bluff, Texas Southern
to be at Grambling, and then UH for the women,
they'll have some double headers on on UH, they have
some rival games on Saturday, they and them and throw
cook Me hook it up along with All Corner and
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Jackson State. So they'll join the freight on Saturday playing
their rival games. And then when you look at UH
what has taken place? Uh in the preseason schedule, UH
Southern has four wins there four and seven. Alabama and
m is four and they along with Texas Southern at
four and they Arkansas Pine Busses three. They won three games,
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Alabama States three and eighth, All Coins three and eight,
Gramblings three and eight, Your Pathers are two and nine
along with Jackson State two and ten and Thrown cook Me.
So finally, all the teams in the Swag. On the
women's side, have won a game Florida and them won
a game the other night, uh to break their ten
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game losing street. Uh. So so things are ready to
kick off Florida and them be uh Southeastern Louisiana seventy
one and sixty five. Uh gllahassee. So on the women's side, Uh,
preseason pick for Southern Southern seems to be the class
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for the women so far, and uh they're they're ready
to go.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
Yes, sir, Now, coach, I know that this is gonna
be the second year of the women on their standalone platform,
playing on Thursday nights. Now you your your fingers are
more on the post than mine would ever be when
it comes to basketball. Uh, and I know you know
this year two is kind of be a make or break.
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You know you still getting data from year one. Do
you see this being a successful move for the conference,
not the overall platform of other institutions and conferences, but
for the SWAG.
Speaker 3 (06:11):
Well yeah, I think I think the the movement for
women's athletics and in particularly women's basketball has created this.
You know, they want to stand alone. They want to
try to push their sport. Uh, without the men being
involved and to me that I think that success is
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there when you look at the number of people that
Southern average last year, you look at what Alabama A
and them, did you look at what Texas Southern in
terms of attendance? Now, I think those programs have proven
that they can stand alone. They can play on Thursday
and draw and draw crowd. So from that aspect, I
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think it's, uh, it's a success. See. I don't think
you can paint you can put all the teams in
this category. But historically, even if we were playing Saturday Monday,
some of those games for the females, the schools that
were not supporting women's athletics, they're still not gonna do it.
Speaker 1 (07:14):
You're right, You're absolutely right. Because I was thinking, how
this is kind of lining up with the movement that
we're seeing collectively in women's sports, but more directly in
the w NBA with the collective bargaining and everything that's
going on. How do you see these kind of you know,
parallel on each other and working, you know, working their
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way out for both sides for a women's situations.
Speaker 3 (07:37):
Right, That's why I think, right now, that's why you
have to see it. I see it as as as
a success. Because of that, they're pigging back and off
of the success of women's basketball. Well, first it was
on the collegiate level, and then I'm gonna bring up
the native nobody likes to here, but Caitlyn Club brought.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
Oh yeah, oh yeah, you got so much attention to.
Speaker 3 (07:59):
The collegiate game. Then that transferred over to the w
n B A. Uh. You know, their their numbers are
off the chart. Uh, they'll see uh record number of
people coming out for for their games. And so it's
it's great for the n C two A and for
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women's basketball on the collegiate level to ride this wave.
And that's what they're doing right now because you've got
some programs and when it comes to women's basketball. Now
when you look at Connecticut, South Carolina, U L s
U out in l O, Texas, Wow, in women's basketball,
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those coaches stand on their own now they no doubt
that with any any men when it comes to attendance.
And I forgot in the SEC you got tennessee that
that uh and those fans are rapping about about women's basketball.
Speaker 1 (08:57):
Oh yeah, They've been a consistent force for long long
time at Tennessee when it comes to women's sports. But
all of this again not only the connection with the
w n b A, it ties into the NIL, which
is looking at some forecast that could be a problem
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within the next ten to twenty years. Some of the
experts are saying as far as fatigue donor fatigued, right,
and when is this thing gonna bottom out? Because everything
is a bubble. We have the dot com bubble, we
have this crypto bubble, all this kind of stuff coming up.
(09:38):
Sooner or later, something's gonna have to give though with
this NIL process, right right.
Speaker 3 (09:42):
I think that it's gonna have to be regulated. They've
got to come up with a maximum of ceiling else
this is gonna get out of hand. They're not gonna
be able to afford it now. And I'm coming about
in all sports that are given out that are given
out in our your money. I think it has to
be regulated. And I think the N two A. I
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think the difference the power for power forwards are seen
that this is a big problem.
Speaker 2 (10:14):
Well, coach, I gotta I gotta be.
Speaker 1 (10:16):
I gotta be a little devil's advocate right now, coach,
because you gave me a little kickback a little while ago. Now,
I'm not gonna say I told you so, butter of
you know, I said, hey, coach, I think there needs
to be a ceiling, a bottom, a bottom tier, and
a maximum tier, in particular on our levels, because we
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can't keep up with them. It's not designed for us
to keep up with them. They don't want us to
keep up with them. And another in your face moment
is that group six people, the FBS power for it
does not want to have anything to do with them.
They've proven that with the restructure of the playoffs. That's
gonna have to be a meeting of the mind and
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someone's gonna have to swallow some pride and say, let's
regroup and let's refocus. Right.
Speaker 3 (11:07):
I think the powers to be they see the mistakes,
but they and they're still trying to figure out how
to correct it.
Speaker 2 (11:15):
But it's an easy thing. Coach.
Speaker 3 (11:17):
I think it's gonna start with football. I think football
is gonna Football is gonna lay out a piece, and
I think everybody else is gonna jump off of the bandwagon.
Speaker 1 (11:27):
Coach, there's one thing right now that could align this
stuff overnight. What is that? That is the transferred portal.
You got this thing active in January, which is still
gonna be entangling with bowl games and playoff deals. Why
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not have that timetable set for the spring?
Speaker 3 (11:54):
Right, Okay, okay, I have well agree with you. Okay,
the portal will help. But let me tell you what
I think is more important. You got to put a
ceiling on these NL deals.
Speaker 1 (12:07):
Well that a culture salaries, right right.
Speaker 3 (12:09):
This is what this is what I see the problem.
Speaker 4 (12:14):
Because some schools can out be at other schools, You're
gonna always have this problem, whether that whether the porters
in January or in April, the highest bidder is gonna
be the one putting together the big teams of the
nice team.
Speaker 1 (12:30):
But that's always been, that's always been.
Speaker 3 (12:33):
But what I'm saying you can create a more level
playing field if this thing was regulated.
Speaker 2 (12:42):
In other words, I think you.
Speaker 3 (12:43):
Need to take each position and put a dollar figure
out there. Example, a Power five I'm sorry, a four
star or five star quarterback is worth x amount of
dollars across the board. So in other words, where he
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gets at Alabama has to be the same amount he
gets in Michigan. I think when if you can go
by positions, that.
Speaker 1 (13:13):
Would be hard though that would be a little hard
because what you're determining as a five star on your
chart might be a three or four star on my chart.
So then there's you know, I you know, beauty to
the either beholder. So then I can see that. But
I guess what we have a heck of a discussion
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for the last one of the year though two hundred Well,
I'm thinking more along the line's coach because uh and
the reality is this, to me, the masterpiece of all
this is the Group six.
Speaker 2 (13:50):
They are in a conundrum.
Speaker 1 (13:52):
Would I say, what do you do in big don't
want you and little won't use you?
Speaker 2 (13:58):
Okay, their their their budget.
Speaker 1 (14:02):
Is a lot I'm gonna say, I'm gonna say two
to three times healthier than what the s CS is.
They need to accept the fact that they are the
red headed step child and all of this because the
SCS has a structure, but they don't have the necessary funding.
Speaker 2 (14:22):
If they recalibrate, do this, and they.
Speaker 1 (14:25):
Got the assessment where the quarterbacks and positions and this,
that and the other already on this nil transfer portal.
Speaker 2 (14:32):
Gill.
Speaker 1 (14:33):
But once again I just look to report the other
day attendance is down, which is gonna drive most divisions,
regardless of what level you're on revenue as far as
direct ticket sales, you know.
Speaker 2 (14:48):
And the other deal is gonna be with their.
Speaker 1 (14:52):
Media market deals, and we know who's controlling that narrative.
And with them going to ex span to possibly sixteen teams,
what happens now We've already seen the attrician roll off
to the Celebration Bowl. They shortened that a week in between. Now,
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if they don't value the Celebration Bowl like they somewhat
value it, now, what happens to now? I'm going to
make a close and personal home to the HBCUs because
we're not FCS dependent per se. We're a Celebration Bowl
dependent i e. Independent, i e. In the pocket of ESPN. Right,
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that's the conundrum, coach, Yeah, yeah, And then.
Speaker 3 (15:44):
I heard you you speak of Tendant. You say attendant
is not well on the FCS level. They seem to have.
I think they're happening on the FCS level because when
you look at attendants, they say jacks. The state once
again and led all of FCS and attendance at twenty
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eight thousand of games. Montana was second in the country
at twenty six thousand a game and guess who's third Southern.
Despite everything that went on in Bapton Ruge Avery, twenty
two thousand people are games? Uh huh, all right, Norfolk
State won one game. If I'm not mistaken, right the
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Mike vickiffect yright twenty one thousand people are.
Speaker 2 (16:31):
Gained, right right?
Speaker 3 (16:33):
Alabama State was seven over twenty thousand people are games,
and then your South Dakota and North Dakota they were
eighty nine, and then number eleven Alabama in there fourteen thousand,
Florida and there fourteen thousand. South Carolina State was the
fifteenth highest rank attendance at twelve thousand a game. So
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now our people are coming out to certain venues, I mean,
well at certain institutions, they still got the people coming in.
Speaker 1 (17:07):
Coach, I'm going to say this as politically correct as
I can. I believe that the books are being cooked, okay, okay, okay,
And and that I've seen too many inconsistencies, okay, and
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and and and I'm okay. I think we need a
real true gates people actually coming into the stadiums on
the day of the game. Accountability. I don't want you
can give me the ticket sold, Okay, but I need
butts in the seat. And I understand. Okay, what difference
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does it make if the tickets have been sold, Yeah,
because people will make donations. I buy season tickets and
give them away. Okay, but I'm talking about actual people
coming through the gates on game day because if that
is the case, if that is the case, you would
see an uptick in in concession sales and merchandise sales
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and all this other. And let's let's be honest. The
atmosphere of the games. Some of these games are like
sitting at a at awake. And so I believe that
the books, the numbers of the books are being cooked.
And that's just me. And you know, maybe that's the
Missouri to show me in me. That's that's that's talking
enough money.
Speaker 3 (18:38):
This money is coming from somewhere. Now. I mean we
you know, some of us, some of our institutions have
cried broke. Well, I don't. I don't see that. You
look at what Florida and m has done. You look
at what Southern's done. Southern has has made a financial
commitment for football.
Speaker 2 (18:56):
Amen and hallelujah.
Speaker 3 (18:58):
Right because when you look at they've set aside nine
hundred and fifty thousand dollars just for the assistant coaches. Yes, sir,
fam you has made a similar commitment. And you know
they hired another Division two coach to run that program.
You know he has flor family ties. But money's out there.
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We just have to decide how we're gonna distribute that money.
And right now, once again, football is showing that their
king and they're dominant at all of our program.
Speaker 1 (19:37):
Or no doubt, no doubt. But now you it's ironic
you say that the money is out their coach. But
the little money we get hold to, we're trying to.
We're busy spending it to keep up with the Joneses.
When do you realize that your budget is your budget? Now,
I don't have the flowing revenue of the pedalway home
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in the Prince Home. I cannot keep looking over in
your sense, Oh, coach Fedaway, got that, let me go
get this. I can't do that, coach and and and
and survive and get the necessities that I need. Because
the old term Robin Peter to pay Paul. Something's going
to go lacking, something's going to go like it, and
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we see it and programs getting cut and teams being
partially funded. What's the what's the point of all of
that just to keep up with somebody say, we're here, m.
Speaker 3 (20:34):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, Well it's uh, it's gonna be ay interesting.
Year twenty twenty six is right around the corner. Yes,
up and and and we're gonna see if these investments
that these different programs are making. Because I just saw
another report where Tony Clayton died at Southern has has
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donated one hundred thousand dollars and then he got another
commitment from one of the other attorneys. So that's just
two hundred thousand dollars strictly for football that they come
up with to help assist that program. So I just
wish success for all of our hbc us because in
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this day in time, with that transport port in n
I l all of us when I say us, I'm
talking about our hbc US. Yes, are struggling to survive. Yes, sir, Yes,
sure comes to the talent. Our programs are being robbed
and ravished by the power four five. I'm sorry the
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group of five that are taking the talent off of
our campuses because they can offer those kids in il
deals when a lot of our institutions are just not
getting involved in it. So we've got to get ready.
We've got to get ready, and then the next thing.
Basketball will be the equalizer for some of us.
Speaker 2 (21:56):
And that is the savior. Coach.
Speaker 1 (21:59):
I don't even want to call the egalize. It's really
should be the savior in particular for I'm not gonna
just say HBCUs FCSS, you know, because it's the it's
the more return on investment, Okay, uh? And man, if
you can look up and get to the tournament and
win this one game, that's a residual income for the
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entire conference in that division. Again, what happens you come
in with that robbing people to pay Paul syndrome. Okay,
your basketball you did this, but football needs this.
Speaker 3 (22:34):
Right right and then that that's just like what just
happened at All Coins. All Coin did not play a
home game, but they brought in you ready for this
one point two million dollars in basketball fundraising?
Speaker 2 (22:48):
That is best one.
Speaker 3 (22:49):
Point two million dollars. Now, I wont at the end
of the year, who's gonna get credit for that fundraiser?
You know, it's gonna be the ad right, yep, right,
he's gonna get credit. Oh, the athlete department got one
point two million dollars. Okay, those kids have got in
their heads beat in a night in and night out,
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not one home game.
Speaker 1 (23:13):
Not right, and that's not good morale for the student
athlete nor the student body. And then the truth of
the matter of the institution. Okay, now I know.
Speaker 2 (23:25):
What your ass is gonna be.
Speaker 1 (23:26):
But I got to ask anyway coach for general journalism integrity.
At one point two million dollars, how much do you
think should be lawfully awarded to the basketball program?
Speaker 3 (23:39):
Now you're asking me my fegion, i't if I coach.
If I was coaching, I would want anywhere between thirty
and forty percent of that money to come back to
my problem.
Speaker 1 (23:52):
Okay, okay, to come back to my problem.
Speaker 2 (23:56):
Okay, okay.
Speaker 1 (23:58):
And then with the other, say sixty percent, how would
you cut it up.
Speaker 3 (24:03):
That's that's up to the university and I've had department,
But I would want my program to be compensated for
us making a sacrifice. Uh huh you okay, where your
farm we're raising, keep putting invested in our program so
that we can continue doing what we're doing.
Speaker 1 (24:23):
Okay, So if we did a sixty forty split. Let's
just put basketball, even though we know men's basketball is
the main generator in comparison to winning. But i'm just
gonna say basketball in general. Then you got football. So football,
and I'm just gonna use round numbers. So it did,
he'd be easy on my on my head this morning. Uh,
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football makes a million dollars. So at the sixty forty
they would get six hundred to go to that program,
and then the four hundred we'll go to the quote
unquote non revenue sports. And in your case in basketball,
you get six hundred to run your program, and that
other four hundred dollars will just be dispersed once again
to the non revenue sports. Would that and could that
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change the entire narrative of an SCS structured program?
Speaker 3 (25:13):
Yes they would. But but but those figures you're just
blown up throughout. That's not gonna happen. You know, I
don't know if a program is getting sixty percent, I
don't think they'll give you that much. Okay, I don't
think that they'll give you that much.
Speaker 1 (25:28):
Now, when I say give you that much, i'm talking
about to cover everything that's connected to your program and.
Speaker 3 (25:35):
That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (25:36):
I don't, okay, they will.
Speaker 3 (25:38):
I don't think that there's a university out there that
will allow you to take sixty percent, You get the forty,
the sixty will go to the university. Okay, that's I
think that's reasonable and and I think that's what will
happen in most cases.
Speaker 1 (25:54):
Okay, then so then okay, if we go to the
to the business world of doing this, as they say,
real world, you know, there's always a quote unquote administrative fee.
So if you went twenty percent administrative fee, forty percent
for football, and then the other forty percent dispersed amongst
your non revenue sports, and then the same formula for basketball.
Speaker 3 (26:16):
Right, yeah, it could work. It could work. It could work,
It could work. But I just think that some of
the some of the institutions, they've got to make it
up in the minded. They got to reinvest in the
programs that are that are getting this money, that are
doing this going out playing, whether it's football or basketball.
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I just think that more and more of our institutions
have to look at reinvesting in them, in the programs
that are making the money for them.
Speaker 1 (26:46):
Now, when you say reinvesting the program. Could you give
me a couple examples, coach of directly and let's let's
keep from a basketball because you are the basketball gourgle.
Speaker 3 (26:55):
Right, give me, give me more money for recruiting. Give
give me well, in my case, I would have asked
for all of my scholarships, but that you don't even
have to worry about that anymore. Even in them now
it's giving out all the basketball scholarships.
Speaker 2 (27:10):
Okay, give me.
Speaker 3 (27:11):
Give me enough money for a coaching staff. Give me
enough money to make sure that my facilities are up
to snuff. In other words, if I'm bringing in money
every year and I can re I take a project
every year to reinvest into the basketball program, then it
makes me look better. Allow me to use some of
that money for my uh it's guarantee money. Let me
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use some of that money so I can come up
with a collective. You know, you got a ni L,
you got cost of attendance. Let me be able to
do some of these things to attract some of these athletes.
Speaker 1 (27:45):
Okay, coach, I'm going I'm gonna put you on on
the uh how they say on the on the on
the stand right now, And I know it's been a
minute since you actually coach and have the budgets write
in your hand. Could you break down what would be
an ideal budget for an FCS basketball program realistically, including
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salaries and everything of a bottom line dollar that you
would need that you would feel that could be a
successful program.
Speaker 3 (28:17):
Well, Number one, you're right, it's been a while since
I was in it. But let me tell you something.
When you started talking about salaries, that to me that
that's the biggest disparity that we have out there now
when it comes to salariies for coaches on the FCS level,
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there are programs that they're still not paying their head
coaches one hundred thousand dollars. And that's to me, that's
a joke. That got a straight up joke when you
got football coaches on the FCS level making four or
five hundred thousand dollars and then you got basketball coaches
that not even make it a hundred. To you, you
don't want me to go down that road now.
Speaker 2 (29:00):
Yeah, that's why we keep it reading.
Speaker 3 (29:03):
They're playing eleven dogs. They're playing eleven dog on games
a year we played we played down their thirty a year.
You're gonna tell me they they should be paid more
for less.
Speaker 2 (29:19):
So it's about your quality. It's the quality of the product.
Speaker 3 (29:22):
Coach. You don't want me, you don't want me to
go down that rabbit hole. Now, No, but we talked
about quality of product you got. You got some some
SCS football coaches, uh, making decent salvage, and they're not winning.
They're not winning. And then you and then when you
when you turn around and look at us, you say,
well you some of you coaches aren't winning. Don't go
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on the overall record, go on the conference schedule. Am
I winning in the conference?
Speaker 1 (29:50):
All right?
Speaker 3 (29:51):
You are forcing me to play these guarantee games. You're
not doing that for football. You make us play nine
to ten guarantee games football, if they played one, they
played one one guarantee game.
Speaker 1 (30:03):
Every two or three years, right right, And that's going
to range anywhere between three fifty and seven right.
Speaker 3 (30:11):
And we do that on an annual basis. We do
the seven fifty on an annual basis. When I say,
we up to my basketball.
Speaker 2 (30:18):
Coach, right right.
Speaker 3 (30:19):
So see, that's why I like what the MIAC back
when I was coaching. This is what the MIAC had
over the swack those coaches agreed to play those game guarantees.
You know why, because they were getting the percentage back
for their programs, for their salaries, for them and their assistance.
Speaker 2 (30:38):
Okay, so why they jumped at it.
Speaker 3 (30:42):
They were being compensated and the swack we weren't. We
just were taking the lumps. Not only are you not
getting it in your pocket, you're not even getting it
back for your program. And so that was the big difference.
Speaker 2 (30:59):
Okay, big difference.
Speaker 3 (31:00):
But in terms in today's climbing, it would be hard
for me to sit here and come up with a
with a good budget because I don't know how much
money you actually need to pay these kids. See, to me,
that's the biggest thing you need to look at right now.
How much money are you putting in the kiddy to
(31:21):
when I say to recruit kids, let's just call it
like it is to pay the kids to come to
your school, to retain a kid, to get a good
player that could play, but he's looking to line his pockets.
How much money do you need?
Speaker 1 (31:35):
Let's say, Okay, ideally you're gonna have a twelve man roster,
thirteen if you're lucky in basketball.
Speaker 3 (31:42):
Thirteen Go ahead, okay.
Speaker 1 (31:44):
And let's just say on average, on average, you gave
each player fifty thousand dollars.
Speaker 3 (31:52):
Let's stop right there. First of all, one through thirteen
are not gonna get compensated.
Speaker 1 (31:58):
I understand that, but I'm just saying in idea, in
the perfect storm, in the perfect storm.
Speaker 3 (32:04):
They're not even doing they're not even doing that on
Power five all all all those kids that own scholarship,
they're not they're not benefiting.
Speaker 1 (32:12):
Now, go ahead, Okay, So then yeah, okay, you're gonna
let's say, usually operating a Big three, right, you have
a three court team roster, you got three go to players,
your money players. Okay, let's just say you had fifty
thousand for your key, your your core players. So it's
one hundred and fifty thousand for your basketball program.
Speaker 2 (32:33):
Does that seem realistic?
Speaker 3 (32:36):
Well, that's to me, that's low. Now the whole program.
Speaker 1 (32:40):
No no, no, no for your no no no, for
your for your three core players.
Speaker 3 (32:45):
All right, that that that's the start. Yeah, yeah, I
could see that. I could see that.
Speaker 2 (32:50):
Okay, that as a starting point.
Speaker 1 (32:53):
Okay, so then that's your nil corp. Okay, and then
you say A and M case, all guys have thirteen
I mean, you have thirteen scholarships. Technically, technically, we're gonna
say that's about what fifty two thousand dollars worth of
financing per player. Okay, so we're jumping up to a
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pretty quick coach as far as far, and then we
ain't Paige. Your coaches. Now you need what three assistants,
four assistants for four sistans four and the head coach?
Oh my, yeah, talking.
Speaker 3 (33:40):
About these are working people. I'm not talking about the analysts.
You look at Texas, you look at Houston, you look
at Alabama. How many analysts do they have in basketball?
They got four?
Speaker 1 (33:52):
As that we have staffs, right almost, and then you
have players, right, That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (34:00):
That that is absolutely amazing.
Speaker 1 (34:04):
Well, I don't know if it's a good problem to have,
but it's a problem to keep us focused on trying
to fight through.
Speaker 2 (34:12):
Yes, you know, and and who knows.
Speaker 1 (34:15):
What's gonna happen, but something's gonna have to give soon,
soon or later. Coach, I really, I really believe that.
And the real elephant in the room is, especially in football,
leaves us back. In football, you can only go so
far on each level if you're not in the big
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boys chair. Why are you're trying to keep up with
the big boy's way of doing things. Okay, let's look
at the reality for what it is, how it is
and and say hey, it's okay, Okay, I'm an LCS program.
Speaker 2 (34:51):
This is what we do.
Speaker 1 (34:52):
The nai A has accepted that, Division three, Division two
has accepted that.
Speaker 2 (34:58):
Why can't we accept that?
Speaker 3 (35:01):
Yeah, but see, we we we gotta steal. We still
have to learn to think outside the box and if
and be creative with this finance in order to stay viable. Now,
because you're playing the game, the guarantee games, that's money
that that's not coming from the university, right, set aside
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each year, set aside some of that money for your nils,
and you could you could stay afloat that way.
Speaker 1 (35:35):
Well, you know, Mike Davis when he was at Texas Southern,
he would play these guaranteed games, but he would take
a chuck of that money to pay his staff.
Speaker 3 (35:43):
Correct, he paid, he paid his staff. He made sure that. Okay,
they had just started the cost of attendance. So if
you if you got the cost of attendance for your athletes,
you got the needest student fund and you and if
that came qualified for a fight out of ad. You
got a pretty good deal going there.
Speaker 1 (36:04):
Now, technically, isn't that poor man's n il right.
Speaker 3 (36:09):
That's what I'm saying. Yes, yes, yes, yes, okay, yes,
And that's what he was doing. That's how he was
able to stop power Kids at Texas Southern because it
started at the top. They allowed them to take that
money and reinvested in the program. You think about, you
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think about all the changes they made physically on the building,
their basketball arena, of the locker rooms, and the offices.
They did all that from game guarantees. They did all
that from game guarantees. So they went with the facility.
Then they invested in their staff, then they invested in
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the players. So that that's why I'm talking about. You
take some of that money and reinvested, and then she
we gonna see starting Saturday, were gonna see who's been
reinvested in their program because you got some great content
like right off the back the Florida Classes fan with
Thatt Badolam Cookman Baduam Cookment. On the men's side, they
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will picked to win the sweat. So we're gonna see
where they are, uh right away, all going Jackson. That's
a rival game. Yes, sure so, so right off the
bat Jackson State all Corn they got a battle. And
then your Panthers will be at Gramminy. Yeah, your Panthers
will be at Grammlar. Grammary has won a surprise team
(37:34):
in the In the non conference schedule, we're gonna see
where they are. Alabama State will be at Mississippi Valley, Chexas,
southerns be at Southern, and my bulldogs they gotta go
to Arkansas Pine.
Speaker 2 (37:45):
Bluff, yes, sir, and see in the.
Speaker 3 (37:47):
Preseason, these teams have been getting it. Alabama and them
is six and six, and then tonight I got a
game tonight. Uh, they got coming in so that I'm saying,
I'm telling you right now there'll be seven and six.
Speaker 2 (37:59):
And the more no you prompher signed and coach.
Speaker 3 (38:06):
This game. Uh, they shouldn't be able to carry the
A and m's jockstrapped in this game to night. All
right now, grappling grabbling is five and seven. That man
is going down there taking over a new teams, new program,
and he's got five nine conference wins.
Speaker 2 (38:23):
Your shirt have five non conference wins, yes, sir, schore and.
Speaker 3 (38:28):
Nine but doom, Uh this is a little disappointment for me.
Three and ten in non conference UH Alabama State three
and ten, Arkansas Pine Bluff, sam U, Texas Southern, Mississipi Valley, Jackson,
they all have one win in the non conference schedule.
So the longest losing street right now is Mississippi Valley.
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They've lost twelve straight games. How is that gonna help
their attendance on Saturday?
Speaker 1 (38:56):
It's not, coach, and the kids are still out too. Yeah,
you're talking about a sleeping giants. They'll be like, yeah,
we'll see you when we see you. But you know,
but you know what, Coach is going to give us
few to keep talking and pushing for away. And I
can't I can't wait, you know, starting on the first
and as we get ready, Coach, you know, I gotta
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give you some closing thoughts, some reflection thoughts. On twenty
twenty five, twenty twenty six, man and and and and.
Speaker 2 (39:27):
I guess I'll give you the floor right now, sir.
Speaker 4 (39:29):
Okay, Well for.
Speaker 3 (39:31):
Five, I'm gonna close it out this way. I had
an awesome time and once again I did I did
win the picktlems all year long.
Speaker 2 (39:41):
You want to bring that and forget I would, Yes.
Speaker 3 (39:47):
Sir, I would trade the pickums for the season that
prayer View had.
Speaker 2 (39:54):
Yes, Rade that all day long, I accord to that.
Speaker 3 (39:58):
Next year, I look forward to seeing the the two
new coaches coming into the league in football. I'm looking
forward to what they are gonna bring to the table.
And at the same time, I'm looking to see if
Prayerview and Alabama State are for real. Yes, I'm looking
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and I'm going South football now so that, yes, sir,
to see if Prayerview and if Alabama Stak are for real.
Speaker 2 (40:27):
Yes, sir, And I'm looking forward to it.
Speaker 1 (40:29):
So you know, are you saying you don't want this
to be a fluke?
Speaker 3 (40:33):
Correct? Correct? I don't want to be okay by night.
Speaker 2 (40:36):
I want to see if real Okay.
Speaker 1 (40:38):
Well, I'm I'm I'm I'm charting that down, sir. A
s U p v U fluke or no fluke? Okay,
I got that, well, Coach. I cannot tell you again
how greatful I am to know you, to work with
you and to learn from you. It's it's a labor
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of love for us and to be in your presence
and I wouldn't change it for anything. And I'm so
grateful for that. We couldn't have gotten through twenty twenty five.
I'm looking forward to twenty twenty six. It's going to
be some bigger and better adventures for you in your broadcast,
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for the open Mic and for the Swack as a whole,
and for college basketball. You know, I know we're SWACKED dominated,
but we're HB suit, HBCU influence and n CUBA lead,
and I'm just thankful for all of it. And once
again I thank the listeners that come in and you
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make me look good, coach, because it's that man court
now I'm telling you, coach.
Speaker 2 (41:48):
I said, no, man, that be coach.
Speaker 3 (41:50):
Man.
Speaker 1 (41:50):
I just I'm just the softball pitcher. I just lay
it up there, man, and you lay it out there
and you do such a beautiful job. And once again,
thank you for all of your contributions to this network, sir.
Speaker 2 (42:04):
And with that being said, he is.
Speaker 1 (42:07):
The guru coach Van Peedaway, I'm just the old radio guy,
Doctor Mike Prince. We want to thank you so much
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until the next time, you guys, be blessed and we'll
see you on the other side.
And welcome back to the lock of room.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
Got the Guru.
Speaker 1 (00:05):
We're coming on the last days of twenty twenty five.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
Sir, How are you today?
Speaker 3 (00:10):
Doing fine? I guess this is the week that everybody
will reflect on what took place in twenty twenty five
and look forward to twenty twenty six.
Speaker 1 (00:19):
I know I am well, you know, I am also coach,
were probably for the wrong reasons. You know, I'm still
I'm still in recovery mode with my Panthers, but you know,
I'm still a fan coach and oh my, oh my goodness,
the debacle that we experienced. But I'll get through it.
(00:44):
I'll get through it. You know, it's not the end
of the world. You know, there's a lot to look
forward to. Still a strong twenty twenty five for the
network and for people such as you being involved with
the network. And we're looking forward to a productive twenty
twenty six.
Speaker 3 (01:01):
Sir. Yeah, And that's that's what that's the mindset we
all should have look forward to twenty twenty six and
making things bigger and.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
Better, Yes, sir, yes, sir.
Speaker 1 (01:12):
Speaking of bigger and better, my Panthers came up a
little short last night against them Aggie's from up the way.
But I got that mid coacher, I'm still feeling good
that they lost to Miami in the playoffs.
Speaker 2 (01:27):
That's kind of wrong, her coach.
Speaker 3 (01:29):
Well, yeah, the SEC's looking kind of bad in these
playoffs right now, in the bowl games really, uh huh. Yeah,
they're not doing well. So that that powerful SEC that's
supposed to be the most dominant league in college football.
They they got to get their giddy up on because
(01:49):
they're looking real bad right now.
Speaker 1 (01:51):
Well, you know what, coach, I was doing a self
analysis of the Big Ten in particular, and when you
look at it, if you remove Ohio State and Michigan
and we know Indiana's having an exceptional year this year,
who do they really have that brings fear in your heart.
Speaker 3 (02:12):
Well, for a lot of people, it's gonna be Oregon,
you know, and it's you know, it's kind of hard
to say organ in the Big Ten, right they are.
They are part of the Big Ten, now, uh huh. Offensively, man,
you gotta be you gotta be ready for them on
the defensive side, because offensively they're one of the highest
scoring teams in the country. So Oregon still has the
(02:35):
Big Ten. Uh bringing fear to some people because of
how they play, their style of play.
Speaker 2 (02:44):
Okay, but but will you look up and down?
Speaker 1 (02:46):
I think it's what eighteen teams that they have, sixteen,
eighteen ten.
Speaker 3 (02:50):
They got probably logic.
Speaker 1 (02:52):
Yeah, it's not a lot of them bringing you know, like,
oh wow, I fear them, you know, So I said, Okay,
and then when you look at the SCC, I guess
you would say Alabama, Georgia.
Speaker 2 (03:04):
Oh of consistency. I'm talking about that.
Speaker 1 (03:07):
You know that's going to be in the mix every
now and then you get a peak from Tennessee. Yeah, yeah,
don't say that word.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
Coach.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
This is the family show. Coach is the family show.
I guess University of Texas. But they're kind of sporadic
as well. But we'll we'll see which I'm I'm gonna
circle around to that in a minute, because I know
we talked a little bit last week about it. But
let's go into the basketball part first, since that, you know,
at least, seems to be the forefront as we get
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through this sun raising season of things that are going
on through out the Southwestern Athletic Conference.
Speaker 3 (03:44):
Right everything kicks off, believe it or not, Thursday night, yes, sir,
the ladies are on center stage. UH, and right off
the bat, you're gonna have some great matchups. You got
preyerview going down to buy under Rouge, so your path
to be UH tested early to dress.
Speaker 1 (04:04):
Say, coming out coming out with a tall order.
Speaker 2 (04:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (04:07):
Yeah. And then Alabama and M's at Mississippi Valley. UH,
Alabama State to be at Arkansas Pine Bluff, Texas Southern
to be at Grambling, and then UH for the women,
they'll have some double headers on on UH, they have
some rival games on Saturday, they and them and throw
cook Me hook it up along with All Corner and
(04:28):
Jackson State. So they'll join the freight on Saturday playing
their rival games. And then when you look at UH
what has taken place? Uh in the preseason schedule, UH
Southern has four wins there four and seven. Alabama and
m is four and they along with Texas Southern at
four and they Arkansas Pine Busses three. They won three games,
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Alabama States three and eighth, All Coins three and eight,
Gramblings three and eight, Your Pathers are two and nine
along with Jackson State two and ten and Thrown cook Me.
So finally, all the teams in the Swag. On the
women's side, have won a game Florida and them won
a game the other night, uh to break their ten
(05:12):
game losing street. Uh. So so things are ready to
kick off Florida and them be uh Southeastern Louisiana seventy
one and sixty five. Uh gllahassee. So on the women's side, Uh,
preseason pick for Southern Southern seems to be the class
(05:33):
for the women so far, and uh they're they're ready
to go.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
Yes, sir, Now, coach, I know that this is gonna
be the second year of the women on their standalone platform,
playing on Thursday nights. Now you your your fingers are
more on the post than mine would ever be when
it comes to basketball. Uh, and I know you know
this year two is kind of be a make or break.
(05:59):
You know you still getting data from year one. Do
you see this being a successful move for the conference,
not the overall platform of other institutions and conferences, but
for the SWAG.
Speaker 3 (06:11):
Well yeah, I think I think the the movement for
women's athletics and in particularly women's basketball has created this.
You know, they want to stand alone. They want to
try to push their sport. Uh, without the men being
involved and to me that I think that success is
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there when you look at the number of people that
Southern average last year, you look at what Alabama A
and them, did you look at what Texas Southern in
terms of attendance? Now, I think those programs have proven
that they can stand alone. They can play on Thursday
and draw and draw crowd. So from that aspect, I
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think it's, uh, it's a success. See. I don't think
you can paint you can put all the teams in
this category. But historically, even if we were playing Saturday Monday,
some of those games for the females, the schools that
were not supporting women's athletics, they're still not gonna do it.
Speaker 1 (07:14):
You're right, You're absolutely right. Because I was thinking, how
this is kind of lining up with the movement that
we're seeing collectively in women's sports, but more directly in
the w NBA with the collective bargaining and everything that's
going on. How do you see these kind of you know,
parallel on each other and working, you know, working their
(07:34):
way out for both sides for a women's situations.
Speaker 3 (07:37):
Right, That's why I think, right now, that's why you
have to see it. I see it as as as
a success. Because of that, they're pigging back and off
of the success of women's basketball. Well, first it was
on the collegiate level, and then I'm gonna bring up
the native nobody likes to here, but Caitlyn Club brought.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
Oh yeah, oh yeah, you got so much attention to.
Speaker 3 (07:59):
The collegiate game. Then that transferred over to the w
n B A. Uh. You know, their their numbers are
off the chart. Uh, they'll see uh record number of
people coming out for for their games. And so it's
it's great for the n C two A and for
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women's basketball on the collegiate level to ride this wave.
And that's what they're doing right now because you've got
some programs and when it comes to women's basketball. Now
when you look at Connecticut, South Carolina, U L s
U out in l O, Texas, Wow, in women's basketball,
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those coaches stand on their own now they no doubt
that with any any men when it comes to attendance.
And I forgot in the SEC you got tennessee that
that uh and those fans are rapping about about women's basketball.
Speaker 1 (08:57):
Oh yeah, They've been a consistent force for long long
time at Tennessee when it comes to women's sports. But
all of this again not only the connection with the
w n b A, it ties into the NIL, which
is looking at some forecast that could be a problem
(09:17):
within the next ten to twenty years. Some of the
experts are saying as far as fatigue donor fatigued, right,
and when is this thing gonna bottom out? Because everything
is a bubble. We have the dot com bubble, we
have this crypto bubble, all this kind of stuff coming up.
(09:38):
Sooner or later, something's gonna have to give though with
this NIL process, right right.
Speaker 3 (09:42):
I think that it's gonna have to be regulated. They've
got to come up with a maximum of ceiling else
this is gonna get out of hand. They're not gonna
be able to afford it now. And I'm coming about
in all sports that are given out that are given
out in our your money. I think it has to
be regulated. And I think the N two A. I
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think the difference the power for power forwards are seen
that this is a big problem.
Speaker 2 (10:14):
Well, coach, I gotta I gotta be.
Speaker 1 (10:16):
I gotta be a little devil's advocate right now, coach,
because you gave me a little kickback a little while ago. Now,
I'm not gonna say I told you so, butter of
you know, I said, hey, coach, I think there needs
to be a ceiling, a bottom, a bottom tier, and
a maximum tier, in particular on our levels, because we
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can't keep up with them. It's not designed for us
to keep up with them. They don't want us to
keep up with them. And another in your face moment
is that group six people, the FBS power for it
does not want to have anything to do with them.
They've proven that with the restructure of the playoffs. That's
gonna have to be a meeting of the mind and
(11:01):
someone's gonna have to swallow some pride and say, let's
regroup and let's refocus. Right.
Speaker 3 (11:07):
I think the powers to be they see the mistakes,
but they and they're still trying to figure out how
to correct it.
Speaker 2 (11:15):
But it's an easy thing. Coach.
Speaker 3 (11:17):
I think it's gonna start with football. I think football
is gonna Football is gonna lay out a piece, and
I think everybody else is gonna jump off of the bandwagon.
Speaker 1 (11:27):
Coach, there's one thing right now that could align this
stuff overnight. What is that? That is the transferred portal.
You got this thing active in January, which is still
gonna be entangling with bowl games and playoff deals. Why
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not have that timetable set for the spring?
Speaker 3 (11:54):
Right, Okay, okay, I have well agree with you. Okay,
the portal will help. But let me tell you what
I think is more important. You got to put a
ceiling on these NL deals.
Speaker 1 (12:07):
Well that a culture salaries, right right.
Speaker 3 (12:09):
This is what this is what I see the problem.
Speaker 4 (12:14):
Because some schools can out be at other schools, You're
gonna always have this problem, whether that whether the porters
in January or in April, the highest bidder is gonna
be the one putting together the big teams of the
nice team.
Speaker 1 (12:30):
But that's always been, that's always been.
Speaker 3 (12:33):
But what I'm saying you can create a more level
playing field if this thing was regulated.
Speaker 2 (12:42):
In other words, I think you.
Speaker 3 (12:43):
Need to take each position and put a dollar figure
out there. Example, a Power five I'm sorry, a four
star or five star quarterback is worth x amount of
dollars across the board. So in other words, where he
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gets at Alabama has to be the same amount he
gets in Michigan. I think when if you can go
by positions, that.
Speaker 1 (13:13):
Would be hard though that would be a little hard
because what you're determining as a five star on your
chart might be a three or four star on my chart.
So then there's you know, I you know, beauty to
the either beholder. So then I can see that. But
I guess what we have a heck of a discussion
(13:33):
for the last one of the year though two hundred Well,
I'm thinking more along the line's coach because uh and
the reality is this, to me, the masterpiece of all
this is the Group six.
Speaker 2 (13:50):
They are in a conundrum.
Speaker 1 (13:52):
Would I say, what do you do in big don't
want you and little won't use you?
Speaker 2 (13:58):
Okay, their their their budget.
Speaker 1 (14:02):
Is a lot I'm gonna say, I'm gonna say two
to three times healthier than what the s CS is.
They need to accept the fact that they are the
red headed step child and all of this because the
SCS has a structure, but they don't have the necessary funding.
Speaker 2 (14:22):
If they recalibrate, do this, and they.
Speaker 1 (14:25):
Got the assessment where the quarterbacks and positions and this,
that and the other already on this nil transfer portal.
Speaker 2 (14:32):
Gill.
Speaker 1 (14:33):
But once again I just look to report the other
day attendance is down, which is gonna drive most divisions,
regardless of what level you're on revenue as far as
direct ticket sales, you know.
Speaker 2 (14:48):
And the other deal is gonna be with their.
Speaker 1 (14:52):
Media market deals, and we know who's controlling that narrative.
And with them going to ex span to possibly sixteen teams,
what happens now We've already seen the attrician roll off
to the Celebration Bowl. They shortened that a week in between. Now,
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if they don't value the Celebration Bowl like they somewhat
value it, now, what happens to now? I'm going to
make a close and personal home to the HBCUs because
we're not FCS dependent per se. We're a Celebration Bowl
dependent i e. Independent, i e. In the pocket of ESPN. Right,
(15:39):
that's the conundrum, coach, Yeah, yeah, And then.
Speaker 3 (15:44):
I heard you you speak of Tendant. You say attendant
is not well on the FCS level. They seem to have.
I think they're happening on the FCS level because when
you look at attendants, they say jacks. The state once
again and led all of FCS and attendance at twenty
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eight thousand of games. Montana was second in the country
at twenty six thousand a game and guess who's third Southern.
Despite everything that went on in Bapton Ruge Avery, twenty
two thousand people are games? Uh huh, all right, Norfolk
State won one game. If I'm not mistaken, right the
(16:28):
Mike vickiffect yright twenty one thousand people are.
Speaker 2 (16:31):
Gained, right right?
Speaker 3 (16:33):
Alabama State was seven over twenty thousand people are games,
and then your South Dakota and North Dakota they were
eighty nine, and then number eleven Alabama in there fourteen thousand,
Florida and there fourteen thousand. South Carolina State was the
fifteenth highest rank attendance at twelve thousand a game. So
(16:56):
now our people are coming out to certain venues, I mean,
well at certain institutions, they still got the people coming in.
Speaker 1 (17:07):
Coach, I'm going to say this as politically correct as
I can. I believe that the books are being cooked, okay, okay, okay,
And and that I've seen too many inconsistencies, okay, and
(17:31):
and and and I'm okay. I think we need a
real true gates people actually coming into the stadiums on
the day of the game. Accountability. I don't want you
can give me the ticket sold, Okay, but I need
butts in the seat. And I understand. Okay, what difference
(17:54):
does it make if the tickets have been sold, Yeah,
because people will make donations. I buy season tickets and
give them away. Okay, but I'm talking about actual people
coming through the gates on game day because if that
is the case, if that is the case, you would
see an uptick in in concession sales and merchandise sales
(18:18):
and all this other. And let's let's be honest. The
atmosphere of the games. Some of these games are like
sitting at a at awake. And so I believe that
the books, the numbers of the books are being cooked.
And that's just me. And you know, maybe that's the
Missouri to show me in me. That's that's that's talking
enough money.
Speaker 3 (18:38):
This money is coming from somewhere. Now. I mean we
you know, some of us, some of our institutions have
cried broke. Well, I don't. I don't see that. You
look at what Florida and m has done. You look
at what Southern's done. Southern has has made a financial
commitment for football.
Speaker 2 (18:56):
Amen and hallelujah.
Speaker 3 (18:58):
Right because when you look at they've set aside nine
hundred and fifty thousand dollars just for the assistant coaches. Yes, sir,
fam you has made a similar commitment. And you know
they hired another Division two coach to run that program.
You know he has flor family ties. But money's out there.
(19:24):
We just have to decide how we're gonna distribute that money.
And right now, once again, football is showing that their
king and they're dominant at all of our program.
Speaker 1 (19:37):
Or no doubt, no doubt. But now you it's ironic
you say that the money is out their coach. But
the little money we get hold to, we're trying to.
We're busy spending it to keep up with the Joneses.
When do you realize that your budget is your budget? Now,
I don't have the flowing revenue of the pedalway home
(19:59):
in the Prince Home. I cannot keep looking over in
your sense, Oh, coach Fedaway, got that, let me go
get this. I can't do that, coach and and and
and survive and get the necessities that I need. Because
the old term Robin Peter to pay Paul. Something's going
to go lacking, something's going to go like it, and
(20:21):
we see it and programs getting cut and teams being
partially funded. What's the what's the point of all of
that just to keep up with somebody say, we're here, m.
Speaker 3 (20:34):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, Well it's uh, it's gonna be ay interesting.
Year twenty twenty six is right around the corner. Yes,
up and and and we're gonna see if these investments
that these different programs are making. Because I just saw
another report where Tony Clayton died at Southern has has
(20:54):
donated one hundred thousand dollars and then he got another
commitment from one of the other attorneys. So that's just
two hundred thousand dollars strictly for football that they come
up with to help assist that program. So I just
wish success for all of our hbc us because in
(21:14):
this day in time, with that transport port in n
I l all of us when I say us, I'm
talking about our hbc US. Yes, are struggling to survive. Yes, sir, Yes,
sure comes to the talent. Our programs are being robbed
and ravished by the power four five. I'm sorry the
(21:35):
group of five that are taking the talent off of
our campuses because they can offer those kids in il
deals when a lot of our institutions are just not
getting involved in it. So we've got to get ready.
We've got to get ready, and then the next thing.
Basketball will be the equalizer for some of us.
Speaker 2 (21:56):
And that is the savior. Coach.
Speaker 1 (21:59):
I don't even want to call the egalize. It's really
should be the savior in particular for I'm not gonna
just say HBCUs FCSS, you know, because it's the it's
the more return on investment, Okay, uh? And man, if
you can look up and get to the tournament and
win this one game, that's a residual income for the
(22:22):
entire conference in that division. Again, what happens you come
in with that robbing people to pay Paul syndrome. Okay,
your basketball you did this, but football needs this.
Speaker 3 (22:34):
Right right and then that that's just like what just
happened at All Coins. All Coin did not play a
home game, but they brought in you ready for this
one point two million dollars in basketball fundraising?
Speaker 2 (22:48):
That is best one.
Speaker 3 (22:49):
Point two million dollars. Now, I wont at the end
of the year, who's gonna get credit for that fundraiser?
You know, it's gonna be the ad right, yep, right,
he's gonna get credit. Oh, the athlete department got one
point two million dollars. Okay, those kids have got in
their heads beat in a night in and night out,
(23:11):
not one home game.
Speaker 1 (23:13):
Not right, and that's not good morale for the student
athlete nor the student body. And then the truth of
the matter of the institution. Okay, now I know.
Speaker 2 (23:25):
What your ass is gonna be.
Speaker 1 (23:26):
But I got to ask anyway coach for general journalism integrity.
At one point two million dollars, how much do you
think should be lawfully awarded to the basketball program?
Speaker 3 (23:39):
Now you're asking me my fegion, i't if I coach.
If I was coaching, I would want anywhere between thirty
and forty percent of that money to come back to
my problem.
Speaker 1 (23:52):
Okay, okay, to come back to my problem.
Speaker 2 (23:56):
Okay, okay.
Speaker 1 (23:58):
And then with the other, say sixty percent, how would
you cut it up.
Speaker 3 (24:03):
That's that's up to the university and I've had department,
But I would want my program to be compensated for
us making a sacrifice. Uh huh you okay, where your
farm we're raising, keep putting invested in our program so
that we can continue doing what we're doing.
Speaker 1 (24:23):
Okay, So if we did a sixty forty split. Let's
just put basketball, even though we know men's basketball is
the main generator in comparison to winning. But i'm just
gonna say basketball in general. Then you got football. So football,
and I'm just gonna use round numbers. So it did,
he'd be easy on my on my head this morning. Uh,
(24:44):
football makes a million dollars. So at the sixty forty
they would get six hundred to go to that program,
and then the four hundred we'll go to the quote
unquote non revenue sports. And in your case in basketball,
you get six hundred to run your program, and that
other four hundred dollars will just be dispersed once again
to the non revenue sports. Would that and could that
(25:08):
change the entire narrative of an SCS structured program?
Speaker 3 (25:13):
Yes they would. But but but those figures you're just
blown up throughout. That's not gonna happen. You know, I
don't know if a program is getting sixty percent, I
don't think they'll give you that much. Okay, I don't
think that they'll give you that much.
Speaker 1 (25:28):
Now, when I say give you that much, i'm talking
about to cover everything that's connected to your program and.
Speaker 3 (25:35):
That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (25:36):
I don't, okay, they will.
Speaker 3 (25:38):
I don't think that there's a university out there that
will allow you to take sixty percent, You get the forty,
the sixty will go to the university. Okay, that's I
think that's reasonable and and I think that's what will
happen in most cases.
Speaker 1 (25:54):
Okay, then so then okay, if we go to the
to the business world of doing this, as they say,
real world, you know, there's always a quote unquote administrative fee.
So if you went twenty percent administrative fee, forty percent
for football, and then the other forty percent dispersed amongst
your non revenue sports, and then the same formula for basketball.
Speaker 3 (26:16):
Right, yeah, it could work. It could work. It could work,
It could work. But I just think that some of
the some of the institutions, they've got to make it
up in the minded. They got to reinvest in the
programs that are that are getting this money, that are
doing this going out playing, whether it's football or basketball.
(26:37):
I just think that more and more of our institutions
have to look at reinvesting in them, in the programs
that are making the money for them.
Speaker 1 (26:46):
Now, when you say reinvesting the program. Could you give
me a couple examples, coach of directly and let's let's
keep from a basketball because you are the basketball gourgle.
Speaker 3 (26:55):
Right, give me, give me more money for recruiting. Give
give me well, in my case, I would have asked
for all of my scholarships, but that you don't even
have to worry about that anymore. Even in them now
it's giving out all the basketball scholarships.
Speaker 2 (27:10):
Okay, give me.
Speaker 3 (27:11):
Give me enough money for a coaching staff. Give me
enough money to make sure that my facilities are up
to snuff. In other words, if I'm bringing in money
every year and I can re I take a project
every year to reinvest into the basketball program, then it
makes me look better. Allow me to use some of
that money for my uh it's guarantee money. Let me
(27:35):
use some of that money so I can come up
with a collective. You know, you got a ni L,
you got cost of attendance. Let me be able to
do some of these things to attract some of these athletes.
Speaker 1 (27:45):
Okay, coach, I'm going I'm gonna put you on on
the uh how they say on the on the on
the stand right now, And I know it's been a
minute since you actually coach and have the budgets write
in your hand. Could you break down what would be
an ideal budget for an FCS basketball program realistically, including
(28:11):
salaries and everything of a bottom line dollar that you
would need that you would feel that could be a
successful program.
Speaker 3 (28:17):
Well, Number one, you're right, it's been a while since
I was in it. But let me tell you something.
When you started talking about salaries, that to me that
that's the biggest disparity that we have out there now
when it comes to salariies for coaches on the FCS level,
(28:39):
there are programs that they're still not paying their head
coaches one hundred thousand dollars. And that's to me, that's
a joke. That got a straight up joke when you
got football coaches on the FCS level making four or
five hundred thousand dollars and then you got basketball coaches
that not even make it a hundred. To you, you
don't want me to go down that road now.
Speaker 2 (29:00):
Yeah, that's why we keep it reading.
Speaker 3 (29:03):
They're playing eleven dogs. They're playing eleven dog on games
a year we played we played down their thirty a year.
You're gonna tell me they they should be paid more
for less.
Speaker 2 (29:19):
So it's about your quality. It's the quality of the product.
Speaker 3 (29:22):
Coach. You don't want me, you don't want me to
go down that rabbit hole. Now, No, but we talked
about quality of product you got. You got some some
SCS football coaches, uh, making decent salvage, and they're not winning.
They're not winning. And then you and then when you
when you turn around and look at us, you say,
well you some of you coaches aren't winning. Don't go
(29:45):
on the overall record, go on the conference schedule. Am
I winning in the conference?
Speaker 1 (29:50):
All right?
Speaker 3 (29:51):
You are forcing me to play these guarantee games. You're
not doing that for football. You make us play nine
to ten guarantee games football, if they played one, they
played one one guarantee game.
Speaker 1 (30:03):
Every two or three years, right right, And that's going
to range anywhere between three fifty and seven right.
Speaker 3 (30:11):
And we do that on an annual basis. We do
the seven fifty on an annual basis. When I say,
we up to my basketball.
Speaker 2 (30:18):
Coach, right right.
Speaker 3 (30:19):
So see, that's why I like what the MIAC back
when I was coaching. This is what the MIAC had
over the swack those coaches agreed to play those game guarantees.
You know why, because they were getting the percentage back
for their programs, for their salaries, for them and their assistance.
Speaker 2 (30:38):
Okay, so why they jumped at it.
Speaker 3 (30:42):
They were being compensated and the swack we weren't. We
just were taking the lumps. Not only are you not
getting it in your pocket, you're not even getting it
back for your program. And so that was the big difference.
Speaker 2 (30:59):
Okay, big difference.
Speaker 3 (31:00):
But in terms in today's climbing, it would be hard
for me to sit here and come up with a
with a good budget because I don't know how much
money you actually need to pay these kids. See, to me,
that's the biggest thing you need to look at right now.
How much money are you putting in the kiddy to
(31:21):
when I say to recruit kids, let's just call it
like it is to pay the kids to come to
your school, to retain a kid, to get a good
player that could play, but he's looking to line his pockets.
How much money do you need?
Speaker 1 (31:35):
Let's say, Okay, ideally you're gonna have a twelve man roster,
thirteen if you're lucky in basketball.
Speaker 3 (31:42):
Thirteen Go ahead, okay.
Speaker 1 (31:44):
And let's just say on average, on average, you gave
each player fifty thousand dollars.
Speaker 3 (31:52):
Let's stop right there. First of all, one through thirteen
are not gonna get compensated.
Speaker 1 (31:58):
I understand that, but I'm just saying in idea, in
the perfect storm, in the perfect storm.
Speaker 3 (32:04):
They're not even doing they're not even doing that on
Power five all all all those kids that own scholarship,
they're not they're not benefiting.
Speaker 1 (32:12):
Now, go ahead, Okay, So then yeah, okay, you're gonna
let's say, usually operating a Big three, right, you have
a three court team roster, you got three go to players,
your money players. Okay, let's just say you had fifty
thousand for your key, your your core players. So it's
one hundred and fifty thousand for your basketball program.
Speaker 2 (32:33):
Does that seem realistic?
Speaker 3 (32:36):
Well, that's to me, that's low. Now the whole program.
Speaker 1 (32:40):
No no, no, no for your no no no, for
your for your three core players.
Speaker 3 (32:45):
All right, that that that's the start. Yeah, yeah, I
could see that. I could see that.
Speaker 2 (32:50):
Okay, that as a starting point.
Speaker 1 (32:53):
Okay, so then that's your nil corp. Okay, and then
you say A and M case, all guys have thirteen
I mean, you have thirteen scholarships. Technically, technically, we're gonna
say that's about what fifty two thousand dollars worth of
financing per player. Okay, so we're jumping up to a
(33:19):
pretty quick coach as far as far, and then we
ain't Paige. Your coaches. Now you need what three assistants,
four assistants for four sistans four and the head coach?
Oh my, yeah, talking.
Speaker 3 (33:40):
About these are working people. I'm not talking about the analysts.
You look at Texas, you look at Houston, you look
at Alabama. How many analysts do they have in basketball?
They got four?
Speaker 1 (33:52):
As that we have staffs, right almost, and then you
have players, right, That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (34:00):
That that is absolutely amazing.
Speaker 1 (34:04):
Well, I don't know if it's a good problem to have,
but it's a problem to keep us focused on trying
to fight through.
Speaker 2 (34:12):
Yes, you know, and and who knows.
Speaker 1 (34:15):
What's gonna happen, but something's gonna have to give soon,
soon or later. Coach, I really, I really believe that.
And the real elephant in the room is, especially in football,
leaves us back. In football, you can only go so
far on each level if you're not in the big
(34:35):
boys chair. Why are you're trying to keep up with
the big boy's way of doing things. Okay, let's look
at the reality for what it is, how it is
and and say hey, it's okay, Okay, I'm an LCS program.
Speaker 2 (34:51):
This is what we do.
Speaker 1 (34:52):
The nai A has accepted that, Division three, Division two
has accepted that.
Speaker 2 (34:58):
Why can't we accept that?
Speaker 3 (35:01):
Yeah, but see, we we we gotta steal. We still
have to learn to think outside the box and if
and be creative with this finance in order to stay viable. Now,
because you're playing the game, the guarantee games, that's money
that that's not coming from the university, right, set aside
(35:24):
each year, set aside some of that money for your nils,
and you could you could stay afloat that way.
Speaker 1 (35:35):
Well, you know, Mike Davis when he was at Texas Southern,
he would play these guaranteed games, but he would take
a chuck of that money to pay his staff.
Speaker 3 (35:43):
Correct, he paid, he paid his staff. He made sure that. Okay,
they had just started the cost of attendance. So if
you if you got the cost of attendance for your athletes,
you got the needest student fund and you and if
that came qualified for a fight out of ad. You
got a pretty good deal going there.
Speaker 1 (36:04):
Now, technically, isn't that poor man's n il right.
Speaker 3 (36:09):
That's what I'm saying. Yes, yes, yes, yes, okay, yes,
And that's what he was doing. That's how he was
able to stop power Kids at Texas Southern because it
started at the top. They allowed them to take that
money and reinvested in the program. You think about, you
(36:30):
think about all the changes they made physically on the building,
their basketball arena, of the locker rooms, and the offices.
They did all that from game guarantees. They did all
that from game guarantees. So they went with the facility.
Then they invested in their staff, then they invested in
(36:53):
the players. So that that's why I'm talking about. You
take some of that money and reinvested, and then she
we gonna see starting Saturday, were gonna see who's been
reinvested in their program because you got some great content
like right off the back the Florida Classes fan with
Thatt Badolam Cookman Baduam Cookment. On the men's side, they
(37:13):
will picked to win the sweat. So we're gonna see
where they are, uh right away, all going Jackson. That's
a rival game. Yes, sure so, so right off the
bat Jackson State all Corn they got a battle. And
then your Panthers will be at Gramminy. Yeah, your Panthers
will be at Grammlar. Grammary has won a surprise team
(37:34):
in the In the non conference schedule, we're gonna see
where they are. Alabama State will be at Mississippi Valley, Chexas,
southerns be at Southern, and my bulldogs they gotta go
to Arkansas Pine.
Speaker 2 (37:45):
Bluff, yes, sir, and see in the.
Speaker 3 (37:47):
Preseason, these teams have been getting it. Alabama and them
is six and six, and then tonight I got a
game tonight. Uh, they got coming in so that I'm saying,
I'm telling you right now there'll be seven and six.
Speaker 2 (37:59):
And the more no you prompher signed and coach.
Speaker 3 (38:06):
This game. Uh, they shouldn't be able to carry the
A and m's jockstrapped in this game to night. All
right now, grappling grabbling is five and seven. That man
is going down there taking over a new teams, new program,
and he's got five nine conference wins.
Speaker 2 (38:23):
Your shirt have five non conference wins, yes, sir, schore and.
Speaker 3 (38:28):
Nine but doom, Uh this is a little disappointment for me.
Three and ten in non conference UH Alabama State three
and ten, Arkansas Pine Bluff, sam U, Texas Southern, Mississipi Valley, Jackson,
they all have one win in the non conference schedule.
So the longest losing street right now is Mississippi Valley.
(38:50):
They've lost twelve straight games. How is that gonna help
their attendance on Saturday?
Speaker 1 (38:56):
It's not, coach, and the kids are still out too. Yeah,
you're talking about a sleeping giants. They'll be like, yeah,
we'll see you when we see you. But you know,
but you know what, Coach is going to give us
few to keep talking and pushing for away. And I
can't I can't wait, you know, starting on the first
and as we get ready, Coach, you know, I gotta
(39:19):
give you some closing thoughts, some reflection thoughts. On twenty
twenty five, twenty twenty six, man and and and and.
Speaker 2 (39:27):
I guess I'll give you the floor right now, sir.
Speaker 4 (39:29):
Okay, Well for.
Speaker 3 (39:31):
Five, I'm gonna close it out this way. I had
an awesome time and once again I did I did
win the picktlems all year long.
Speaker 2 (39:41):
You want to bring that and forget I would, Yes.
Speaker 3 (39:47):
Sir, I would trade the pickums for the season that
prayer View had.
Speaker 2 (39:54):
Yes, Rade that all day long, I accord to that.
Speaker 3 (39:58):
Next year, I look forward to seeing the the two
new coaches coming into the league in football. I'm looking
forward to what they are gonna bring to the table.
And at the same time, I'm looking to see if
Prayerview and Alabama State are for real. Yes, I'm looking
(40:19):
and I'm going South football now so that, yes, sir,
to see if Prayerview and if Alabama Stak are for real.
Speaker 2 (40:27):
Yes, sir, And I'm looking forward to it.
Speaker 1 (40:29):
So you know, are you saying you don't want this
to be a fluke?
Speaker 3 (40:33):
Correct? Correct? I don't want to be okay by night.
Speaker 2 (40:36):
I want to see if real Okay.
Speaker 1 (40:38):
Well, I'm I'm I'm I'm charting that down, sir. A
s U p v U fluke or no fluke? Okay,
I got that, well, Coach. I cannot tell you again
how greatful I am to know you, to work with
you and to learn from you. It's it's a labor
(41:01):
of love for us and to be in your presence
and I wouldn't change it for anything. And I'm so
grateful for that. We couldn't have gotten through twenty twenty five.
I'm looking forward to twenty twenty six. It's going to
be some bigger and better adventures for you in your broadcast,
(41:21):
for the open Mic and for the Swack as a whole,
and for college basketball. You know, I know we're SWACKED dominated,
but we're HB suit, HBCU influence and n CUBA lead,
and I'm just thankful for all of it. And once
again I thank the listeners that come in and you
(41:44):
make me look good, coach, because it's that man court
now I'm telling you, coach.
Speaker 2 (41:48):
I said, no, man, that be coach.
Speaker 3 (41:50):
Man.
Speaker 1 (41:50):
I just I'm just the softball pitcher. I just lay
it up there, man, and you lay it out there
and you do such a beautiful job. And once again,
thank you for all of your contributions to this network, sir.
Speaker 2 (42:04):
And with that being said, he is.
Speaker 1 (42:07):
The guru coach Van Peedaway, I'm just the old radio guy,
Doctor Mike Prince. We want to thank you so much
for joining in with us. Do remember that you can
follow me on Twitter x at the Mike Prince Show,
subscribe to our YouTube channel at the open Mic Broadcast
Network and visit the website at obnradio dot com. And
(42:29):
until the next time, you guys, be blessed and we'll
see you on the other side.
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