Divine Fallacy Interview

Ron and John from NY metalcore-esk band Divine Fallacy talk of their origins, how things have been this year, past releases and what their plans are for the nect few months.

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:02):
What is up? Guys, Welcome back to another episode of
the Misfit Minutes podcast. I'm your host, of course, Jade.
If you're near around here, welcome, If you're not around here,
welcome back to the chaos. So for this evening's episode,
I have not one, but two very special guests with me.
I have John and Ron from Divine Fallacy. Welcome guys,
Thank you, thank you, appreciate it absolutely, Thank you so

(00:24):
much for coming on.

Speaker 2 (00:26):
Thank you for having.

Speaker 1 (00:29):
For sure why I had I had to get on
the the Divine Fallacy train before. It's not being cool?

Speaker 2 (00:38):
Yeah yeah, I was gonna say, if if it's cool now,
then it might it might be losing its course.

Speaker 1 (00:46):
Dang it immediately loops.

Speaker 2 (00:51):
Yeah no, hopefully it continues to go in the direction
it's going though.

Speaker 1 (00:55):
Oh yeah, absolutely.

Speaker 3 (00:58):
No.

Speaker 1 (00:58):
This has kind of been a long time coming. Guys
have been on my list for a while. So I'm
excited to have you here.

Speaker 2 (01:04):
Excited to be here.

Speaker 3 (01:05):
We appreciate it, very excited to be here for sure.

Speaker 2 (01:09):
This is our first actual like little interview thing too.

Speaker 3 (01:13):
So you're a had an interview in a magazine.

Speaker 2 (01:16):
Yeah, that's true, that's true.

Speaker 1 (01:18):
And wretched sound I read.

Speaker 2 (01:21):
Yeah, I appreciate that.

Speaker 1 (01:24):
Yeah, it was a really cool It's very in depth.
So since you've kind of explained a lot of like
the fact that you weren't in the band, like right
at the beginning run, John, is there anything interesting or

(01:45):
unique that fans have not heard that you would like
to share.

Speaker 2 (01:51):
Like in terms of like like music or just in general.

Speaker 1 (01:56):
Kind of like the band's inception and that sort of stuff.

Speaker 3 (02:01):
Yeah, as.

Speaker 1 (02:04):
I ask weird questions and we talk a lot.

Speaker 2 (02:09):
To each other, but yes, yeah, I mean not not
really much to say. I mean not like we're we're
writing some new stuff, which is exciting and cool. It's
it's a little different because we have different members now,
and you know, like Ron came in and we haven't
really written stuff with like this current lineup, so it's

(02:32):
gonna sound a little bit different and and it'll still
have our you know, like the sound that we carry
with all of our other stuff, but definitely want to
try some new implements and with our new members. It'll
I feel like it'll change a bit, but it'll be
cool still, you know, nice right on.

Speaker 1 (02:50):
I'm definitely excited to hear the new stuff. Ghost in
the Graveyard has been one of my favorite songs for
quite a while, so I'm excited to here. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (03:01):
I think it's one of our favorites as well. It's
super fun to play live, and it it just hits.
It hits hard, you know, it does it does. I
listened to it like like it'll it'll come on on
my Spotify playlist and I'll be jamming. I'm like, damn,
the song rips. You know, like this song is so
it's not like toot in our unhorn, but it's just

(03:22):
super catchy.

Speaker 1 (03:23):
Like I mean, if it's a good song, it's a
good song.

Speaker 2 (03:27):
Yeah, yeah, I was.

Speaker 1 (03:29):
I was just kind of thinking about like choruses to
songs that really slap, Yeah, like ones that like you
want to sing like that just give that kind of energy.

Speaker 2 (03:42):
One hundred percent. I agree. I feel like a chorus
like is really like the focal point of the song.
And like us as a band, like we strive to
have those strong choruses that like we enjoy so much,
so you know, we try and implement that in our
stuff too, like just have those like hooks and just
the you know, have it really driven and and whatnot.

(04:02):
I think it's it's pretty important, So I can agree
with that.

Speaker 3 (04:08):
What about you, Ron, I think I think we do.
I think we do a pretty good job because we
take our time.

Speaker 4 (04:16):
I think we're not one of those bands that, you know,
we throw out an ep R an album every year,
and I guarantee that can get frustrating for people that
are kind of waiting for us, and we're quiet most
of the time. But you know, I think the fact
that we we take our time to really construct these
songs that we're happy to put out because there's a
lot of bands that come out with songs and you know,
a year later, you sick of playing it or you're
sick of hearing.

Speaker 3 (04:36):
It, and you know, it's nice to have something that,
you know, because it goes in the graver.

Speaker 4 (04:41):
It's been out for over a year now, so it's
it's really nice to hear people who are still listening
to it enjoying it.

Speaker 3 (04:46):
So you know, it's as I stand the test of time.

Speaker 1 (04:50):
It's it's always interesting thinking about like whether or not
artists ever get tired of playing like the same song
or a song that like really did really well and after,
you know, after it blows up, people want to hear
it all the time and then they're like, oh fuck,
I gotta sing this like again.

Speaker 2 (05:13):
Yeah, well we.

Speaker 4 (05:14):
Didn't even play it at our last show, so I
think we kind of left, uh.

Speaker 3 (05:18):
A little bit.

Speaker 2 (05:19):
Yeah, yeah, that was that was crazy. I was like,
we have to do this, and it was like now
we we can't. I was like, all right, all right,
so what happened? We're just having some technical difficulties. Ron
could uh probably talk about that better.

Speaker 4 (05:35):
But that's uh, like do we want to be the
man behind the curtain like lift the veil?

Speaker 2 (05:41):
Yeah? No, No, it was just it just everything that
could go wrong like went wrong kind of like in
our throughout our second like into our second song like that,
the sound, like the sound throughout the whole night. The
sound guy was just like I'm pretty sure he was
just cocked, like he was just completely because like every

(06:01):
band had problems with at least something, and yeah, it
was just like kind of not smooth in the beginning,
but we h we made some you know, some adjustments
and we ended up getting the set done and yeah
it ended up still you know, being really cool and
they enjoyed it. But yeah, we'll definitely run it back though.

Speaker 4 (06:22):
Well it is a it is a podcast interview, so
I you know, I think people want the juicy bits
that the behind the scenes, my guitar working after the.

Speaker 3 (06:33):
First song completely.

Speaker 4 (06:35):
Yeah, so cross Fest, I had to actually pretend to
play the rest of the entire show and that was.

Speaker 3 (06:43):
That was that was very difficult.

Speaker 4 (06:46):
But you know, I put on my best Milli Vanilli
performance and I don't think I don't think.

Speaker 3 (06:51):
Most people knew.

Speaker 4 (06:52):
But it's still from our point of view, you know,
it sucked that it happened, but it's one of those
things where you're happy that it did and you realize
that you kind of make it through.

Speaker 3 (07:00):
Something like that.

Speaker 2 (07:02):
Yeah. Yeah, it definitely was an ideal at all. It
sucked so bad, but it was like, well, we we're here,
you know, we might as well just play it through
and just do what we got to do, you know,
and just get through it. And I think it showed
like our strength as a as a unit as well,
because you know, most people would have been like, oh,

(07:22):
let's say, guys were done, you know, but like there
was a lot of a lot of excitement to see us.
It was the first time we played out in Buffalo,
and yeah, so there was there was you know, some expectations,
so we were like, let's still let's still run it.

Speaker 4 (07:36):
But credit to the band, but but also you know,
from my perspective, special credit to Jimmy. That was our
very first show and to have he was still the guitar,
completely drop out and he held it down like.

Speaker 2 (07:48):
That was shout out Jimmy, Bro. Yeah we picked the
right guy for real. Yeah, he really he really stepped
up and it was probably a lot of pressure on
him as as is, like it was his first show
with us, like he was still new and then it's like, oh, here,
by the way, you have to play all the main
guitar parts, and uh yeah, have fun. So shout out Jimmy, Bro, Jimmy.

Speaker 1 (08:18):
That was actually one of the questions that I had
written down was kind of like how you deal with stress,
whether it's music related or otherwise, because there seems to
just be a lot of like weirdness kind of like
on Facebook right now. And I won't I won't waste
anyone's time going into you know, everything that's going on.

(08:40):
If you if you don't live under a rock and
you have Internet, then you know you know I'm talking about.

Speaker 2 (08:45):
But drama seen drama and stuff dude. I'm just it's
it's insane because it's like some of the people you
know that say that are like culprits in in what happens,
and you know, it's like it's two to tangle at
that point, and we're all adults, you know, so it's
like why even give into that. We're we're doing the

(09:06):
same thing, you know what I mean. Like, it's it's
not a it's not a contest. It's not like a
who's cooler thing. It's but people make it into something
it doesn't have to be. And I think it's just,
you know, social media has a lot to do with that,
I feel, because things get twisted through the grape vine
and you know, one thing leads to another, and but yeah,
it's it's crazy.

Speaker 4 (09:27):
We have a we have a strong foundation within the
band though, I mean we're all, yeah, we're all very
good friends with each other and you know, hang out
and go to each other's kids' birthday parties and stuff.

Speaker 3 (09:36):
So I think that helps.

Speaker 4 (09:36):
Because you know, at the end of the day, like
I love I love playing guitar, I love being a musician.

Speaker 3 (09:41):
I love being in this band, but like I'm a
dad number one, so like, I think.

Speaker 4 (09:46):
It's really awesome that all of us individually protect our
personal lives, you know, and that that means that we
protect each other and the core group of other bands
that we, you know, consider like one of our own
is is really tight as well, like you know, Nightmares
and an Easy Death, and like all the guys that
we've played with, they're.

Speaker 3 (10:04):
Just awesome dudes. They're really good.

Speaker 4 (10:06):
Like, you don't see drama coming out of that, So
we stay out of it as much as we can, Like,
you know, shit happens, but the whole line in the
sand thing, we just we just don't cross that.

Speaker 3 (10:16):
We you know, we kind of protect each other and
protect the band.

Speaker 1 (10:23):
Yeah, yeah, I find that sometimes it's kind of difficult
almost to stay out of it. Sometimes sometimes it's just unavoidable.
But for the majority of the time, you try to
like just you know, we try to get along with
most folks and try to adhere to I guess, if,

(10:45):
for lack of a better word, like you know, the
Golden rule treat ourse like you want how you want
to be treated and just, And I think that sometimes
that gets lost in translation in the scene just because
everyone is trying to do something profound or make a
huge splash, And then you have people you know who

(11:05):
have egos and who act a certain way in some
situations and act differently in different situations, and just you
know it, it's just a lot. I've you know, kind
of seen a lot of it, which really sucks. But
there are on the right side some great bands that

(11:26):
don't do all that unnecessariness that you know, contribute heavily
to the scene as a whole, and just try to
make it a positive experience for everyone, because whether you
whether you realize it or not, the stuff that you
say and due does affect other people, especially like you know,

(11:47):
your bandmates, your fans, Like they see you acting a
fool all the time, they're gonna be like, why am
I supporting this band? If every five seconds, you know
it's something going.

Speaker 3 (11:56):
On better than noblicity, they say.

Speaker 1 (12:01):
I mean, if Ronnie Wreck not getting right, I'd give
anything to have half the money that. Honestly, the real
talk completely unrelated. We're going down a rabbit hole. The
cinematography of his music videos is unmatched in my opinion,
Like I'm sorry, but it looks like movies. Like it's
like like when Michael Jackson came out with thriller like

(12:23):
that's it's actually Caliver.

Speaker 2 (12:27):
It's unbelievable how good those music videos are. Like that
dude first of all, had to have spent hundreds of thousands,
if not millions of dollars on on his music videos,
and they're all they all tie in together, like I
could look past all the controversial stuff. Like it's like
at that point all people of higher stature like that

(12:48):
probably have some you know, some stuff happened like some
way worse than others, but like right, but like I
can respect like the art and like how good somebody
is no matter if you know, it's like it's just great.
You can't deny like good talent, you know. I'm not
saying like it's like like I'm not like a Killer fan,

(13:08):
but those music videos were just crazy, and that album's
pretty solid. I would say myself, yes, diverse though, I mean, yeah,
that's what makes it so good is he can scream
saying rap, you know, like play do the.

Speaker 3 (13:22):
Circle it back?

Speaker 4 (13:23):
Though, like the whole drama thing and all that going on.
I think John can bribly attest to this. But I
actually think having been out for a while and coming
back in that, at least in Rochester, the the music
seems a lot a lot better than it used to be.
Like when I played in like two thousand and seven,
the twenty eleven it was, it was way more toxic.

(13:46):
It was like an entire arms race and everybody was
backstabbing everyone else.

Speaker 3 (13:50):
Like, you know, I named a couple of bands.

Speaker 4 (13:51):
That that were tight with and I think I think
there are a lot of bands out there who really
are about the music and they're really about the community,
especially you know, Rochester.

Speaker 3 (14:01):
I think we're heading in the right direction.

Speaker 4 (14:03):
Shit's always going to happen, but I think it's tighter
now than it was, you know, ten fifteen years ago.

Speaker 2 (14:08):
For sure. I feel like it was like it was
broken up into like cruise. Yeah, back in the day,
like you know, the old Penny Arcade days, you know,
like when like Life, Ruiner and lion Heart would play
there and fucking Thrash and Burn pulled up. Like those
shows were crazy, dude, those shows were. They were so sick,
and like the scene back then was like I enjoyed it,

(14:32):
I think a little bit more just because it was
more immersive and everybody's just going ape shit at these shows.
You know, so I can enjoy it. But yeah, it's
it's definitely a lot more like you see a lot
more local shows selling out and that shit's ran yep,
Like it was never like that back in the day.

(14:52):
Like you like you could go back and forth between
what you liked back then and now. But yeah, the
turnouts for these local shows are crazy. So that's sick.

Speaker 1 (15:04):
For sure. And I think every a thing comes in waves, honestly.

Speaker 2 (15:10):
Yeah, I agree, I agree, I say the same thing.

Speaker 1 (15:13):
Yeah, it definitely comes in waves, like it'll be fine
for like a few months and the next thing, you know,
like this person got kicked out of this band and
this person did this. This person is just like, on
the one hand, like sometimes those things like kind of
neat to happen so that people are aware of what's
going on. But at the same time, it's just like geez, yeah,

(15:34):
it's like and keep up. Like there was a whole
there was a span that that same thing happened in Virginia,
Like there was a span where it was like a
few months, like one person got kicked out of their
band and then like next thing, you know, like a
few weeks later, it's like eight people or eight bands
have been affected. I'm like, what in the world is this?
Like is this good for bands? Like what is going

(15:55):
on right now?

Speaker 2 (15:57):
But really, yeah, it's it's pretty wild.

Speaker 1 (16:00):
Yeah, But on the bright side, things seem to be,
you know, getting better and calming down and people are
kind of figuring out how to how to handle themselves
and some people still haven't learned, and that's that's okay.
They'll they'll learn, they'll get there so.

Speaker 2 (16:19):
In due time, you know.

Speaker 1 (16:20):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (16:21):
I I've just never been one to like give into
like drama stuff, like it's just it's stupid. I always
thought that was stupid. Like I gotten a couple of
fistfights in my life, and the last time I got
into one was in sixth grade. Like I'm just like,
I just don't have time for this shit. I swear
to god I remember it because I was I got
like long term suspension and shit not damn. Yeah, but

(16:45):
that was like the last time I really got actually
like like squared up with somebody because like it's just stupid,
like drama, like bickering back and forth is extra stupid.
But like, yeah, I don't know, I just never been
one to to like give into it.

Speaker 1 (17:00):
That's fair. Well, since we're talking about drama Lincoln Park
right now, I'm kidding, kidding, I'm sorry I had to
do it. I'm sorry.

Speaker 2 (17:10):
Kudos kudos to her, you know, but I don't know,
I feel like, like, don't like, I'm not I didn't
enjoy that live. Like I skipped to paper Cut and
I skipped to uh damn, what's the other one? I
can't remember, but I went to like two of their
main songs off Hybrid Theory, and I was like, all right,

(17:30):
this is like and it was paper Cut because I
love the end of that song. It's so good. And
I was like, alright, let's see how she sounds. And
I was like, just doesn't have that same feeling to it,
you know, Like I use Alison Chains as a good
example because Lane Staley died and then the other guy like,

(17:52):
you know, replaced him or whatever. Yeah, I can't remember
his name either, but like he doesn't sound like Lane Staley,
but he still holds that same kind of tonal aspect
of you know that Lane Stanley had, so it has
that familiarality, you know.

Speaker 3 (18:09):
William Duvall, Yeah, William.

Speaker 2 (18:12):
Duvall, that's his name. I'm gonna remember at this time
William Duvall.

Speaker 4 (18:15):
I just I just feel like we're I don't know,
we're in that that weird era of time where it's
unacceptable to have an opinion about things, which I think
is really dumb. Like I see so many people that
are pissed off that somebody doesn't like her.

Speaker 3 (18:39):
Yeah, I think that's.

Speaker 4 (18:41):
Like I think it's okay, Like I don't I'm not
into it, but I also haven't been into them for
like ten years.

Speaker 3 (18:46):
But that doesn't mean I'm not happy for them.

Speaker 4 (18:48):
And I don't appreciate what would like, go and do
your thing, but I don't like it.

Speaker 3 (18:52):
If I tell someone I don't like it, I don't
need to be a ca.

Speaker 1 (18:57):
Yeah. Yeah, I'm kind of That's kind where I'm at
with it to you, Like, do I care for it? Not?

Speaker 2 (19:02):
Not?

Speaker 1 (19:02):
Really? Am I gonna be mad if someone does? No? Right?

Speaker 2 (19:08):
Like, this is what it.

Speaker 1 (19:09):
Is, like, I you know, it doesn't directly affect me
if so, it's just kind of like it's just one
of those things where people like saw one thing about
or saw this thing that happened, and I said this
the other day about it, and you know I won't
I won't dwell on it because we're not here to

(19:29):
talk about like here to talk about you guys. But
I saw like kind of like my thought process is,
do again, do I have to like it?

Speaker 3 (19:41):
No?

Speaker 1 (19:42):
Should I? You know, am I gonna go and just
like DM every single person that disagrees with me about
it and be like you're wrong, No, because that's a
waste of energy. I'm not gonna do that. You know,
It's just not worth it too. Like people are like
like every I cannot get I kid you right now.

(20:03):
If I if I got on Facebook right now, that's
what would it would be a post related to it.
It's just kind of like yeah, like and they're at
this point they you know, before all of this, most
people probably would have considered them like a like the
becoming a legacy band. They're one of those bands that

(20:24):
like people are like, oh, they were my first concert
or they were my first my first concert.

Speaker 2 (20:29):
Oh hell yeah.

Speaker 1 (20:32):
My first shine down Asking Alexandria and Godsmack.

Speaker 2 (20:40):
I played Asking Alexandria with my old band and that
was sick. Like we had our headliner upstairs in the
ballroom of the Main Street Armory and they were right
right Rest in peace. Main Street. That venue was sick.
But yeah, they played in the in the big room

(21:01):
when we were playing up well, not when we were
playing upstairs, but it was because water Street got shut down.

Speaker 1 (21:07):
And uh oh yeah, I remember hearing about.

Speaker 2 (21:09):
That and it got moved.

Speaker 1 (21:12):
I think was talking about that.

Speaker 2 (21:15):
Yeah, yeah, water Street got shut down and then instead
of the show, uh like getting canceled altogether, they put
our show upstairs and then put their show downstairs. It
was crazy.

Speaker 1 (21:27):
Did you like go talk to him and stuff?

Speaker 2 (21:29):
Yeah, yeah, we were hanging out. We were able to
go like backstage, so we watched the whole show from
side stage. It was pretty dope.

Speaker 1 (21:36):
That's awesome.

Speaker 2 (21:37):
That was when they had Dennis still, so it was
like sick again, like he made them sick again.

Speaker 1 (21:45):
Were you sad when Bruce left? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (21:48):
I loved Bruce. He was so funny. He's just he's hilarious.

Speaker 1 (21:53):
I fell in love with him as a person watching
him on Paradise City. Yeah, which I'm just saying, I'm
waiting on the next season, Andy listening, when's the next season?

Speaker 3 (22:08):
Waiting a while?

Speaker 1 (22:09):
I think I think, yeah, I'm pretty sure because they
got to figure out like what to do with Cameron
voice's character and a bunch of other stuff that's happened
since then. They probably got to navigate, but I don't care.
I went the next season. Damn it, it's been what
like two years?

Speaker 2 (22:29):
Has it?

Speaker 1 (22:32):
Hold up? Let me look it up real quick.

Speaker 3 (22:34):
That might be longer than that.

Speaker 2 (22:36):
Yeah, because it wasn't there another one. It's like the sequels.

Speaker 1 (22:42):
There was a movie.

Speaker 2 (22:43):
Yeah, what is I called again?

Speaker 1 (22:46):
That one was called American Seaton.

Speaker 2 (22:49):
Oh yes, yes, yes, damn. They had two seasons lash yeah.

Speaker 3 (22:58):
I think too.

Speaker 1 (22:59):
It's pretty no, but we had one season and it
came out. Oh, it came out the day before my
birthday in twenty twenty one.

Speaker 2 (23:07):
Oh so yeah, we were we were deep into COVID
at that point.

Speaker 1 (23:11):
Yeah, I remember. I think I was late though when
it came out. I was. I've always been kind of
late to things, well, having like doing this podcast and
stuff and having to having to it be almost like
a job to keep up with releases and things that
go on, like even still like there's still stuff that

(23:32):
you know, I miss occasionally, But that was I think
I was like a few months late on watching it,
and I remember being like, does anyone know about this?
And everyone was like, yes, we already went through all
this late and I was like, oh, you.

Speaker 2 (23:47):
Have nobody to share the excitement with. They're like, oh, yeah,
we already seen that, like three years ago.

Speaker 1 (23:55):
I can't find the movie anywhere.

Speaker 2 (23:57):
Really. I think I think I saw it on twob
your Peacock maybe maybe for free.

Speaker 1 (24:02):
Maybe that's what it is. All right? Cool? So now
I know what I need to do. I need to
text my in laws and be like, hey, can I
brobly ase peacock account.

Speaker 2 (24:12):
Yeah, I think it's on there. It's on one of them,
one or the other.

Speaker 1 (24:15):
I can't remember, gotcha, all right? I will. So I
was curious kind of about kind of segueing back to
you guys, because I feel like we kind of went
down a rabbit hole there for a little bit. Your

(24:36):
band name, What does your band name need to mean
to you personally?

Speaker 2 (24:43):
That's a good question, honestly. I don't know. I don't
I never I don't think I really I mean, yeah,
I don't know. I have to think about that. Maybe
Ron could answer. I don't. I don't really know. I've
never thought.

Speaker 4 (25:00):
I had a conversation with Mike before he left, and
I think I think Mike is the.

Speaker 3 (25:04):
One who came up with the name.

Speaker 2 (25:06):
Yeah, yeah, he did.

Speaker 3 (25:09):
Yeah, Mike, Mike is. I had a long conversation with
Mike one time, and.

Speaker 4 (25:13):
Mike very poignantly was was basically like, so life in
general is the divine fallacy, Like it's this big lie
that we all live. You know, you get up every
day to go to work to pay for ship, and
you're miserable half the time. I think it was like
the daily grind of everything and just getting worn down

(25:34):
by life. Because when you're a kid, everything is, oh,
you're gonna be an astronaut or a firefighter and life's
gonna be excellent, and all the hardships in life you
have no idea about and you're not really told about
it if you.

Speaker 3 (25:45):
Don't see it. So when they start to hit you,
they're like, Okay, this isn't this isn't what I was
told it was going to be.

Speaker 2 (25:50):
Like yeah, yeah.

Speaker 4 (25:52):
Once again, from like a father perspective, I've actually felt
bad for my kid, like because ship it's hard, it's hard.

Speaker 3 (25:59):
Sometimes life is not the easiest thing to go through.

Speaker 4 (26:02):
So you know, it breaks my heart for him that
he's going to learn about heartbreak in certain areas and
financial stress and you know, people around you getting sick,
and you know, I think that's kind of like where
Mike was going with it. So like, you know, life
in general is this big divine fallacy, this big grand lie.

Speaker 3 (26:20):
At least that's the way I took that conversation.

Speaker 2 (26:23):
Yeah, I know, it's pretty close.

Speaker 1 (26:29):
Well, that was deep.

Speaker 3 (26:33):
Asked the question.

Speaker 2 (26:35):
All of our like songs are about like, they're not
like negative songs. I think the only negative real song
we have is Man Made Disaster, and that's because pretty
much what Ron described, like that song is about like
just being pissed off at like how how things are
ran and you know, not wanting to deal with it.

(26:58):
Chris could probably elaborate one on that, but I didn't
write the lyrics and just perceive them.

Speaker 1 (27:04):
You know, it's hard.

Speaker 2 (27:06):
But all of our other songs are like about like
just like uplifting yourself or just uplifting in general, and like, yeah, yeah,
it's not even like but I like that aspect of it.
A lot of people like say that we kind of

(27:26):
resemble like we came as romans sort of like in
terms of like lyrical content and stuff. But I was like,
that's pretty cool because there their lyrics are sick too,
so that's tough.

Speaker 1 (27:42):
Right on. Yeah, I definitely, I definitely can get that
that vibe from having I was listening to you guys
earlier before I went into work.

Speaker 2 (27:55):
They appreciated what were listening to. Another mm hmmm, hell yeah,
I want to do I want to release the damn
acoustic version. But do we know when you start a petition.
I've been trying to do it for like three years,
and they're like, listen.

Speaker 1 (28:14):
If wage War can do an acoustic version of Circle
the Drain and it slapped just as are for real.

Speaker 3 (28:22):
We could pull it off. I think it's something we'll
probably venture down at some point.

Speaker 2 (28:25):
Yeah, reimagined version at least or something.

Speaker 4 (28:28):
But we're trying to get new lineup established and shows
that we got a new album and all that, So
I think I think if actually down the road, you'll
see something acoustic come from us.

Speaker 2 (28:39):
It's a matter of time, honestly.

Speaker 3 (28:40):
Hint.

Speaker 1 (28:42):
Oh well, am I getting some exclusive information here?

Speaker 3 (28:46):
Yeah, start a rumor, maybe it'll happen.

Speaker 2 (28:50):
Expectations now, let's go.

Speaker 1 (28:51):
I heard nothing that's I think that's happened to me
like once or twice in the couple of years that
I've been doing this, like either it was something that
wasn't supposed to be talked about, like music related, and
then it got leaked by accident, or someone was like, oh, yeah,
by the way, we have a new song coming out
in like a month, but y'all don't know about it yet,

(29:13):
and I was like, wait what or like a big
show or like something like that, which is cool because
like then people are gonna be like, Hi, I heard
it here first.

Speaker 4 (29:24):
But yeah, we'll get we'll get peepe slapped by the
old ball and chain manager if.

Speaker 3 (29:28):
We do that.

Speaker 2 (29:30):
He shout out y'all.

Speaker 3 (29:31):
Julie has been great. We absolutely love she's absolutely.

Speaker 1 (29:35):
Shout out y'all's manager for from making this happen, shout.

Speaker 3 (29:40):
The step to start management.

Speaker 4 (29:41):
I think, you know, we kind of had talked about
it in passing, but you know, her doing photography for
us since I've been in the band, Like, she's just
been very integral to you know, the direction that we've
been heading.

Speaker 3 (29:54):
So she's definitely she's definitely been a blessing for us
to have.

Speaker 1 (29:59):
For sure, I was gonna he is kind of like
a follow up question too, that do you think that,
you know, in terms of like getting a manager and
that sort of thing your I guess your goals. You
feel like getting a manager is kind of aligned with

(30:20):
what you guys want to do with the band.

Speaker 2 (30:22):
Yeah, oh go ahead, I'm sorry.

Speaker 1 (30:24):
Oh no, I was just gonna finish my thought. I
guess kind of like organizationally and that sort of stuff.

Speaker 2 (30:32):
Yeah, I think she It just helps like the internal
workings of the band because there's you know, people that
message me for shows, there's people that message Jimmy for shows,
and Chris and he's talking to this person and it's
just a lot at once, and it kind of creates
like stress within like you know, are not I don't

(30:53):
know if you'd call it stress, but it just creates tension,
I guess. And there's it just feels like there's so
much going on, so it's easier when it's just one person.
You know, Jules. You know, she's super professional like everything
she does. She's a great, a great person and a
great friend. And uh, we're thrilled to have her take
care of like the business end of things because it

(31:14):
makes it just easier to operate too.

Speaker 3 (31:16):
You know, well, let's us focus. Yeah, I think that
was a I think that's a big thing to it.

Speaker 4 (31:22):
You know, like John alluded to getting asked to do
shows or you know, deciding what comes next, like Okay,
do we write a song, do we book another show?

Speaker 3 (31:32):
You know, do we book a show in the same area.

Speaker 4 (31:34):
Like she just helps our minds kind of stay focused
so that we can stay on track, whereas before it was,
you know, it was almost a.

Speaker 3 (31:41):
Free for all.

Speaker 4 (31:45):
So it's it's nice to have someone that just keeps
us moving forward perpetually, because you know, we would have
so much going on and get stuck and then doing
nothing and we're like, okay, we're taking too much time here.

Speaker 3 (31:56):
So yeah, she's she's been excellent for.

Speaker 4 (31:59):
Us in that regard, and it allows us to be
more free with our music and you know, free to
write and focus on the things that we need to
be focusing on because none of us are good at
the business end of it, except maybe Chris.

Speaker 2 (32:11):
Chris.

Speaker 3 (32:14):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (32:14):
Other than that, it's you know, it was a it
was a free for all. So yeah, she's been phenomenal.

Speaker 2 (32:18):
But ultimate media yep, yep, she's the goat as well.
Shout out Julie Good.

Speaker 1 (32:26):
I'm glad that it's been a positive experience for you guys.

Speaker 2 (32:30):
And she's she's like the mom of the band. You know,
she she's the mom for sure.

Speaker 1 (32:36):
Real talk if you if you manage a band and
you're helping them run stuff and you're organizing things and
ordering merch and booking shows for a band, shout out
to you because it is not easy. And I you know,
I'm sure you probably don't hear it enough, but you're
someone that is in charge of managing a band. Thank

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you for your hard work.

Speaker 2 (32:59):
Yeah, it is definitely do just not going onice. And
she's our photographer too, like so.

Speaker 1 (33:05):
A win win.

Speaker 2 (33:06):
Yeah, Like she she's done what our last like three
or four shows, and then she did our promos and
then she came to us and was like, hey, like
starting this management like company thing and their business and
I want you guys to be on and we're like absolutely,
like there's no question asker. We literally all said yes

(33:27):
the same Well I said yes like probably ten days
later because I suck at communication. When the message yeah,
I was like yeah.

Speaker 1 (33:37):
Oh cool, and they were like we already decided this, dude.

Speaker 2 (33:41):
You late yeah, yeah, literally, I'm always late.

Speaker 3 (33:44):
That is John's mucking.

Speaker 2 (33:46):
Oh Oh yeah, I mean fashionably late. I'll be I'm
late everywhere I go. It's terrible. Oh yeah, well no,
that's it's only because I get out of the shop late.
My barbershop is at eight o'clock, so.

Speaker 3 (34:01):
Or ruins your order and you gotta go back. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (34:05):
Yeah, that that's too much money to be wasting.

Speaker 1 (34:08):
Listen, taco they put sour cream yep, right, that would be.

Speaker 2 (34:15):
Right, Like no, I want I want mine maid with love.
You know, I don't want no sour cream in that thing. Like,
get that, get out out of here.

Speaker 3 (34:23):
We we had not a sponsor, not a sponsor.

Speaker 1 (34:25):
We have a friend come visit and talk. They love
Taco Bell and they were like, they're from out of state.
So we took them to the Taco Bell in our
county and they were so upset. They were like, what
is this? This is not good? Like and I was like,
I guess because I live here, like I'm used to it.

(34:46):
So I was like, I don't understand what the big
gill is And he was like this is terrible, this
is not good. Who made this? This is not the
Taco Bell I know and love, blah blah blah. I
was just like I don't know, tell.

Speaker 2 (34:59):
You maam, yeah, like yeah, so we're working with here.

Speaker 1 (35:04):
I mean if it's like the completely wrong order, then
that's different. Like yeah, I don't know, I don't want
to stay. I'm a piggy here. Yeah kind of. I'm
kind of in the middle. Like I'll eat most things
and usually I try not to complain, especially if I
paid money for the food, but at the same time,
like I want it to be what I ordered.

Speaker 2 (35:23):
So it's like, yeah, I feel that. It's just like
it it's like Jesus, like it says it like I
get if they're busy or something like okay, you know,
like I get it. You might have threw a little
bit of this, a little bit of that. But when
it's like slower medium and like you literally look at
the screen and it says directly like exactly what you

(35:44):
want it, we want on it, And then it's like
you get the opposite. I'm like, like this is greazy.
But if it's got lettuce on ali it, you know,
no tomatoes, no sour cream, you know, I'll have some lettuce.

Speaker 1 (35:59):
But it's like my husband, he hates tomatoes.

Speaker 2 (36:02):
Ever, oh no, no, no, no, no, I don't even
eat mayonnaise.

Speaker 3 (36:06):
Bro with the rabbit holes we are going down.

Speaker 2 (36:10):
So yeah, it's crazy. I'm so sorry. I'm no, honestly,
it's okay.

Speaker 1 (36:17):
We like rabbit holes over here in podcast.

Speaker 2 (36:21):
Yeah, we got a den going right now.

Speaker 1 (36:25):
It is. There's definitely interesting place to be, but it's
all good. We're having fun. We're having a good time.
But that cound track, I guess kind of going back
into the music world. I know we were talking a
little bit earlier about kind of like some of like

(36:47):
you guys getting a manager and trying to you know,
get things in line and get organized and that sort
of stuff, and then kind of I guess, like before
that kind of like the things that kind of go
on in the scene and kind of people's attitudes and
that sort of thing. And so I was curious, I guess,
from your perspective, as you know, as a band or
as individuals within this particular band, do you guys feel

(37:10):
like music should be treated as a job, a passion,
or a combination of both.

Speaker 2 (37:17):
I'd probably say a combination of both. What about you, Ron,
I'm leading a little more towards passion, but I'll explain
my answer after I.

Speaker 3 (37:29):
Think it is. What you make it.

Speaker 4 (37:31):
I don't really think, at least personally, there's a right
answer for that, because I know people who have treated
it like a business and they're super successful.

Speaker 3 (37:38):
Two very good friends of mine, the.

Speaker 4 (37:40):
Indie brothers, they have more like a cover band thing
going on, but one.

Speaker 3 (37:43):
Of them is only business.

Speaker 4 (37:46):
That's everything he does is the business side of it,
and the other brother just wants to play because he
loves to play, and they work phenomenally well together. So
you know, music is what you make of it. I
think for almost everybody it starts out as a passion
before it becomes business. But I think the business side
of it is smart, especially in today's day and age.

(38:06):
It's not like before or you handed out a bunch
of tapes or CDs and got noticed and picked up.
Now it's if you're not treating it like a business,
you're probably not going to get anywhere because there's just
there's too many bands out there, there's so much talent,
there's so many people that are never going to get recognized. So,
like I said, I mean, it is what you make

(38:27):
of it, but I think both aspects are equally important.

Speaker 2 (38:32):
Yeah, that's pretty much what I was going to say.
Too cool, John, Like, I mean you do like you
start off with the passion, but if you stick with
it like it does take off, then it kind of
becomes a job. You know, but you could still do
it because of passion, but make it into your job too,
which is pretty sick. Like you just doing something you love,

(38:54):
your traveling everywhere. Like that's pretty dope. If you can
make a job out of it, that's it.

Speaker 1 (39:00):
It's fair. Well, here's a fun question that I asked
before we started talking about some upcoming announcements and such.
What is you guys's favorite venue and maybe like a
bill that really was really fun that you enjoyed playing

(39:23):
like with every single band and you can talk.

Speaker 3 (39:27):
No, you have to Photo City. It was the Nightmare Show.
It just did for me personally. That show the most
insane show I've ever played in my entire life.

Speaker 4 (39:36):
Just the crowd reaction every band on there was was
fucking amazing.

Speaker 1 (39:40):
That.

Speaker 4 (39:41):
Yeah, that that venue is very cool. They're on point
with visuals, with the sounds. Nightmares are just the best, dudes,
They're the best to work with. You know. That show
just top to bottom was absolutely insane. And the reception
that we ended up getting that night. Was it just

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I get goosebumps.

Speaker 3 (40:03):
Talking about it.

Speaker 4 (40:03):
Now, you know, everybody's screaming sticks and stones in our face, and.

Speaker 3 (40:08):
You know, it's just that whole entire night that it was.
It was crazy.

Speaker 4 (40:11):
And shout out to my boy Ja Meyer who went
ham and was destroying so many people that he gets
talked about more than we.

Speaker 3 (40:18):
Do about that dude. Oh yeah, no, he.

Speaker 4 (40:21):
Fucking wrecked everybody in that whole place, and it was
it was awesome to see from from our perspective.

Speaker 2 (40:27):
Wait, you're talking about the incredible Hulk guy. Dude, is
you know like this dude is like that dude is big. Yeah,
he's a he's like six foot one hundred and like
the dude's just absolutely just he Yeah.

Speaker 3 (40:47):
But you know it's cool to have like memories like
that like that.

Speaker 4 (40:51):
Just that that show for me personally was was our
was our best same.

Speaker 3 (40:57):
That's why I'm so pumped that we're we're going back
for November. N shout out to shout out to.

Speaker 4 (41:02):
Us that you went off, So I'm very excited to
go back there.

Speaker 1 (41:08):
You read my mind because I was definitely just about
to ask, so what shows you guys have coming up?
The next few months or weeks that we can be
looking out for.

Speaker 2 (41:18):
Yeah, the headliner November ninth, that's that's like, are really
our only show for the rest of the year, that's
our last one? I think, oh really yeah, oh well
all right, but we're going to be working out. We're
going back into the studio to re record a song
that we had finished, but we're going to re record

(41:39):
some vocals, and we have another song that is finished
h instrumentally, so we just got to do vocals on that.
So after I think we're actually going in there in
the October to do the vocals. So we might have
a single coming out before after, well probably after, We
never know, Yeah, might it might be eventually, yeah, soon soon,

(42:03):
coming soon.

Speaker 1 (42:05):
Medium size things coming soon.

Speaker 2 (42:08):
Yeah, yeah, a little small medium Yeah.

Speaker 1 (42:14):
I think for most folks this time of year, it
kind of gets a little like not iffy, but like
most people are kind of take the thought process of
should we, you know, take as many shoes as we
can and grind through the rest of the year. Should
we just focus on studio time or should we do
combination of both. So it just depends, I guess on

(42:35):
the band and kind of what they want to do.

Speaker 3 (42:39):
Yeah, we are slow rollers, though, like like we do it.

Speaker 4 (42:43):
We do it very purposefully though, and I think, like
I said, I would imagine from an.

Speaker 3 (42:47):
Outside perspective it could be a little aggravating.

Speaker 4 (42:50):
But you know, we play handful of shows a year,
handful of songs that will come out, like some years
might be more than others, but some years might also
be less. But it's very purposeful and it's very mindful
on our part. We don't want to oversaturate. We don't
want to overstare welcome anywhere. You know, when we release something,
we want to let it marinate. We want, you know,
people to get the full enjoyment out of it. Like

(43:11):
I love when the band released as a single, but
I you know, I kind of want to listen to
it and digest it a little like spirit Box just
release a song.

Speaker 3 (43:22):
So sick. But I like the way they do it.

Speaker 4 (43:24):
Too, because it's not like, Okay, we have three singles
coming out in the next two months, because then it's
you know, I think you kind of lose some of
them a month tom that you.

Speaker 2 (43:31):
Build yeah you coast.

Speaker 4 (43:35):
Yeah, we're we're we're very mindful about how much we
actually put out at a time shows you know, very yeah,
very very different.

Speaker 1 (43:48):
Please make that's very diff divine.

Speaker 2 (43:51):
Very divine.

Speaker 3 (43:52):
I think.

Speaker 2 (43:54):
Meeting that's sick. I'd be got. I'll do that.

Speaker 1 (44:04):
That would be really fun.

Speaker 2 (44:05):
That would be cool. We need to get some new
merch out too. We haven't ruled out new merchant a minute.

Speaker 1 (44:10):
Oh my god, me too.

Speaker 2 (44:11):
We'll have some for the for the headliner, for sure.

Speaker 1 (44:15):
I have designs that I need to use for my
merch and I just did. The economy just will not
let me lose.

Speaker 2 (44:24):
Yeah, yeah, uncle, Sam, get you.

Speaker 1 (44:27):
Merch is expensive though, for real, for real, And the
last merch order I did, I won't be I won't
be shady and talk about the company I worked with,
but it didn't go great and it kind of made
me never want to buy merch ever again. Yeah yeah, no,
I know, And I found that out later on, so

(44:48):
I've I've looked at a couple of folks, so I'll
probably get something going here soon. But that, like, that
whole experience just like made me so sad.

Speaker 5 (45:00):
I was like or was it like not sorry, you
don't have to say who it was, but was it
like was it like a big time company or like smaller.

Speaker 1 (45:11):
They were they were a smaller company, and it just
like there was just a lot of like miscommunication and
like you ever like order something and then you keep
looking for it, but then you're like, I don't want
to like contact them and ask about it because I
don't want to be that person, but also I want

(45:34):
my shit, so like, you know, you go back and forth.
And I was supposed to I showed up to at
a festival and long story short, I was supposed to
have the merch for the festival and I didn't get it,
and so I couldn't sell merch at that festival. So
I drove three hours to you know, I still got
to have fun. I got to enjoy the bands, take
some photos, hang out with my friends and that sort

(45:57):
of that part, that part of it was fine, but
I was just frustrated because I didn't have merch to sell,
and I was really annoying.

Speaker 4 (46:04):
Usually the smaller ones are the are the better ones. Usually,
I think I'm I'm very big support local.

Speaker 1 (46:11):
Oh yeah yeah, yeah, sure, yes, before local everything if possible,
like sometimes sometimes it's.

Speaker 2 (46:21):
Just it yeah for real.

Speaker 1 (46:25):
Yeah, You're like you ever see those memes like about
people talking about like smaller businesses and they'll be like,
oh you want, Like, say, for example, they sell I
don't know candles, they'll be like, oh yeah, my candles
are eighty dollars apiece. But we're a small business, will
support me. I like what, no, wait, I love you.

Speaker 2 (46:46):
We get here, How did we get here? How do
we get to this point?

Speaker 3 (46:53):
Better be a d candle right right?

Speaker 1 (46:56):
Better be like a giant like gallon drum full of candle.

Speaker 2 (47:02):
It's incredible how expensive they are though, Like it's it's crazy.

Speaker 1 (47:07):
I was walking through Bath and body Works today and
it was just like.

Speaker 2 (47:10):
Why for wax.

Speaker 3 (47:16):
Now?

Speaker 2 (47:16):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (47:19):
Episode is just going to be cold rabbit hole.

Speaker 2 (47:22):
Get rabbit hole with divine rabbit hole. Jeez yeah.

Speaker 1 (47:31):
But I mean I feel like most things kind of
sick way back and connect to music in some way
or another. Like we're talking about merging the cost of things.
Being in a band is expensive. We're talking about Taco
Bell earlier. I would imagine that at some point or another,
after practice, you guys are like, hey, let's go ground

(47:52):
some taco belt.

Speaker 2 (47:53):
Yeah you know before if you're John, yeah, before I
don't even know if they want anything.

Speaker 3 (48:00):
Taco Bell and then but yeah.

Speaker 2 (48:02):
Yeah, it's always a terrible decision that I make. But
I'm like, well, I have to eat so and it's
going to be late when I get out, and I
don't even think they're well, I think they're upen to
midnight actually, so I just might be too lazy to
want to do that at time.

Speaker 1 (48:15):
Depends on which area you're in, Honestly, sometimes they close
at midnight, sometimes they're open later than that.

Speaker 2 (48:20):
It just depends, right, Taco Bell bro shout out Taco Bell.

Speaker 1 (48:28):
Speaking of Taco Bell in bands kind of related but
also a little bit not. Did y'all see the video
on TikTok of? I think it was unvow and they're
playing in the Taco Bell parking lot.

Speaker 2 (48:43):
I did see that was on Facebook. I seen it
on b I don't.

Speaker 4 (48:47):
Think anything can top the Denny's thing, though, Like I
think so many people are trying to recreate that in
their own way.

Speaker 3 (48:52):
I think those kids did something that can't be touched.

Speaker 2 (48:57):
Yeah, Like, I don't think they'll Yeah, it's one of one. Yeah,
that's o G.

Speaker 3 (49:02):
What the funk up Denny's? Like, there's I don't I
just I don't know. Every time they do like pop
up shows like gimmick.

Speaker 2 (49:10):
I don't know. I'm not sure that's the thing. Like
they're just like, yo, let's set up in front of
this Marshals and like just sucking.

Speaker 3 (49:21):
Marshalls. How do you poor?

Speaker 2 (49:24):
Yeah right, Marshalls, we're having to show TJ Maxy. Listen, Yo, that'd.

Speaker 1 (49:30):
Be SICKJ Max be hidden there.

Speaker 2 (49:32):
Yea, I don't got that name brand for that cheap
cheap hey, like I got that brother, Yeah, I got
that half off Gucci shirt right there for ten dollars. Hey,
Lisa says, Gucci. You know, fake it till you make it, baby.

Speaker 3 (49:48):
That cigarette burning it but.

Speaker 2 (49:51):
Smells like old musk.

Speaker 1 (49:52):
But you know, TJ Max isn't like that.

Speaker 2 (49:56):
Though, I don't know.

Speaker 1 (49:57):
What the world what TJ mask do? You'll be? So,
I have no idea where that is?

Speaker 3 (50:05):
Rochester Bay?

Speaker 2 (50:06):
Where are you from? Where are you from?

Speaker 1 (50:08):
Virginia? Virginia? All right?

Speaker 3 (50:13):
How long have you been? Just so another segway, how
long have you been in the metal scene in Virginia?

Speaker 1 (50:18):
So I started going to shows like right after or
like a little bit during COVID. I think I went
to a couple of shows before that, but they were
like bigger concerts, and then I went to Blue Ridge.
Blue Ridge kind of blew my mind. I was excited.
I wanted to go to more shows, so I started

(50:39):
going to some of the local shows. I went to
what if anyone knows me personally, they know what I'm
talking about. But I went to what I referred to
as my birthday show. It was in Charlottesville. There were
a bunch of bands that played there, and some of
whom I'm still really close friends with. And I went

(51:00):
by myself and it was my birthday, but my husband
was working and I was bored. So I went to
a show and I had fun and it was a
bless so I would say, I guess twenty twenty one, all.

Speaker 4 (51:16):
Right, Yeah, so I played a I played a show
with my old band back in like two thousand and
nine in Virginia. Was in Richmond, and it was a
band called We Were Gentlemen. Those guys were fucking awesome,
but nobody remembers who they were, so.

Speaker 3 (51:30):
I didn't know if you were around back then.

Speaker 4 (51:31):
But their guitarist is now the basis of Attila, So
ship glad to see they did something. But yeah, that
was Those guys are awesome, but nobody remembers them.

Speaker 1 (51:43):
Thousand and nine, Bro, I think I was in my
last year of the middle.

Speaker 3 (51:48):
Let's we don't this is we don't need to do this.
Old man, John, you were playing.

Speaker 2 (51:55):
Back, Yeah I was. No, I'm thirty one, so.

Speaker 3 (51:59):
That's all right.

Speaker 4 (51:59):
Our other guitars, jim was probably still in diapers in
two thousand nine.

Speaker 2 (52:04):
Yeah, he's still still crapping himself. Shout out, Jimmy, baby, Jimmy. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (52:09):
It's always really funny when there's one member in the
band that's significantly younger than the others, or like one
that's significantly older than the others, because then they're like
in these weird situations or have weird conversations. They're like,
oh man, I remember back in the day, and you're like.

Speaker 2 (52:24):
What, Yeah, we're all around the same age except for Jimmy.

Speaker 3 (52:28):
Who's who's younger? Josh he's like forty, and Josh is
all as fuck.

Speaker 2 (52:32):
But yeah, Josh is an old man.

Speaker 3 (52:35):
We're all right, they're like thirty eight, thirty nine, thirty seven, Like,
we're all right there. So it's not except Jimmy.

Speaker 2 (52:41):
Yeah, we're all pretty close. We're all old heads.

Speaker 4 (52:44):
He's got to leave practice early because he's still he
doesn't have his full license yet.

Speaker 3 (52:47):
He can't drive after.

Speaker 2 (52:50):
I have the car hold by night.

Speaker 3 (52:52):
Yeah yeahs a walk him out of the house.

Speaker 2 (52:55):
He's on his permit, still on not his permit.

Speaker 1 (53:00):
He's gonna hear this and be like, he's.

Speaker 2 (53:02):
Gonna so much ship. He knows, he knows we'll give
him a fucking uh will put him in our armpits
and fucking we'll dunk his head in the toilet. Ew damn.
Now I'm just gonna I can never do that to Jimmy.
I love Jimmy. Oh shout out, shout out.

Speaker 1 (53:24):
Jimmy for like the twentieth time during this abs knocking.

Speaker 2 (53:28):
Yeah, compliment already he's the main event. Yeah, now we're
just I was just gonna get to his head, so yeah, no,
no more compliments, Jimmy.

Speaker 1 (53:38):
It's cool. You gotta hype your homies up though, right,
you know?

Speaker 2 (53:41):
True?

Speaker 1 (53:43):
Well, guys, I've had fun. This has honestly been a
very chill, like just sit down, hang out kind of episode.
I've had one kind of going down various rabbit holes
with you guys in hearing pleasure of course, and hearing
a little bit more about Divine Fallacy. I wish I

(54:04):
could make that show that you guys have coming up
in November, but I just I just live so far away.
I don't think that i'd be able to swing it.
But uh, I hope it goes well. I hope you
guys have a blast. I can't wait to hear the
new stuff you guys have coming out whenever you decide
you want to release it.

Speaker 2 (54:25):
Yes, yes, maybe sometime soon. Maybe we're all so excited though.

Speaker 1 (54:30):
Aye. Well, with that being said, listeners, you know how
we get down over here. You know, we always sport
the homies. So make sure you go, let comment, share, subscribe,
define fallacy. Go show them some love by March when
they have it, go to shows when they have them.
You guys know the drill. Gentlemen, it has been real.

Speaker 3 (54:46):
Thank you so much, thank you, Yes, thank you very much.
We appreciate it.

Speaker 2 (54:52):
Yeah,