TMCP Ep 17: Plant Goes Down and Pacquiao Returns?

Jamieson and Classy are back for another fantastic episode of the show. The duo discussed Caleb Plant's surprising defeat at the hands of Armando Resendiz, the news of Manny Pacquiao's return, and a few updates from around the boxing world. This week's 'Pop Pugilism' segment features a breakdown of the 2013 film Grudge Match.


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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:01):
In this corner standing it six foot five, weight class
unknown hailing from Sin City, Las Vegas, Jamison Wells. And
in this corner standing it five foot nine, Wayne Towns
with six wins, three.

Speaker 2 (00:19):
Losses, two arrests, four late.

Speaker 1 (00:21):
Payments on student loans, and two total bankruptcies hits Doug Classy.

Speaker 3 (00:27):
I'll go high. Welcome and thank you for another edition
of the Mixed Company Podcast. Of course, I'm one of
your hosts, Jamison Wells, and as always I am joined
by the classic alcoholic Classy. What's going on? Man? Oh,
what's up?

Speaker 2 (00:44):
Jamison?

Speaker 4 (00:45):
I am feeling pretty damn good today. Happy to be
here recording episode seventeen of our show. We had a
really interesting weekend in the boxing world, and we've got
a lot of upcoming stuff to talk about.

Speaker 2 (00:54):
So before I get.

Speaker 4 (00:56):
In all that, I think I want to get up
give out a couple of shout outs. Episode drops June fifth,
but we're recording a couple of days early.

Speaker 2 (01:03):
Today.

Speaker 4 (01:03):
June and third is actually the ninth anniversary of the
passing of Muhammad Ali lug Out, and I gotta say
I'm a shocked that it's been almost a decade since
we lost the man did you know it been that long?

Speaker 2 (01:13):
Doesn't it feel like just yesterday?

Speaker 3 (01:16):
Yeah, it feels doesn't feel not in years, but the
way time flies, I'm not surprised, like time really flies.
So unfortunately, it does make sense.

Speaker 4 (01:25):
And I have been told by many times by friends,
including our producer, who is a few ages a few
years older than we are, that as you get older,
it just seems to move fast.

Speaker 2 (01:34):
You know, times move faster.

Speaker 4 (01:35):
We're almost forty, and damn man, I just turned thirty
like six months ago.

Speaker 3 (01:42):
That's what it feels like until it ain't. Well.

Speaker 4 (01:45):
If you're just joining the show, be sure to check
out our previous episode Uber sixteen, because we discussed the
documentary called When We Were Kings.

Speaker 2 (01:52):
It's all about all these.

Speaker 4 (01:53):
Legendary fight against George Foreman in nineteen seventy four, which
is called The Rumble of the Jungle. We probably should
have saved that movie for this episode, but I'm bad
at playing stuff.

Speaker 2 (02:02):
Honestly.

Speaker 4 (02:02):
The reason I realized that it was the passing is
because I coincidentally I was listening to an old episode
of the Bodigga Boys podcast from June twenty sixteen, so
they mentioned that Ali had just died. So shout out
to uh DeJesus and Marrow for that reminder. I'm still
not over the breakup. And since we're sports podcasts, you know,
shout out to all the New York Knicks fans disappointed

(02:23):
that they did not make it to the NBA Finals
this year.

Speaker 2 (02:26):
So yeah, I know, I mean necescerely.

Speaker 4 (02:31):
I don't follow basketball, but I follow I keep an
eye on the Knicks and the Yankees because if they
either win the championship, that's a chance that we can
get Theesus and Marrow back. Maybe not for podcasters, I know,
I know.

Speaker 3 (02:48):
I follow the SUS a lot on other things.

Speaker 2 (02:54):
He ain't nah, I know, listen, I know me right.

Speaker 3 (03:00):
Not like if you see how they've operated since they've split,
You've seen ones way more active than the other.

Speaker 2 (03:08):
Sure, sure, and I know you're right.

Speaker 4 (03:10):
I just I think I don't know if maybe, if
the Yankees win, maybe at least an Instagram life together
where they're like a shot at Yankees twenty seven rings.

Speaker 2 (03:17):
That was twenty eight d X all day.

Speaker 3 (03:19):
You know.

Speaker 2 (03:19):
I just I don't think I've ever gonna get over it.
I'm never gonna let it go.

Speaker 3 (03:25):
No Marrow is a guy. Merrow was the one really
carrying that show, and you can tell since why it's
been different now. I fall both of them on social media,
but Merrill is the one really really really really really
like he was the one, and he ain't. The way
he operates, he ain't going back to that. He ain't.

Speaker 4 (03:46):
I deep down, I know you're right, I know, but
I still, like I said, I still keep an eye
on it.

Speaker 3 (03:51):
When the Knicks are going to be at the damn
finals or not. Yeah, it'll be good for business. Everything's
good whenever the Knicks are lakers or in the playoffs
or anything. It's always good for numbers of business. No
matter what you're doing, everyone's gonna take a look. Everybody's
gonna be engaged. So I get it. I get it. Well.

Speaker 4 (04:09):
Next shout out, June is Pride month, So shout out
to all of the LGBT boxing fans out there. Field
the need to mention it because unfortunately, boxing fans aren't
always the most inclusive punch. I see people on boxing
Instagram still using comments like using gay as an insult,
like we're not in twenty twenty five. Just to be clear,
we don't fuck with that here, this is an inclusive podcast,
and we believe boxing is for everybody, not just to watch,

(04:30):
but to participate it. But because I was curious if
there were ever any openly gay boxers in recent times,
I found what now retired?

Speaker 2 (04:36):
But Jameson, have you heard of Orlando Cruz from Puerto Rico.

Speaker 3 (04:39):
I saw something like that recently when you did the rundown.
I saw that somebody else tweeted or something. But yeah,
I was not that's likely familiar with them, but I
would learn something new this week.

Speaker 4 (04:51):
Sure, Orlanda Cruz like he was never an amazing next
level fighter, but he had a solid record twenty five wins,
seven losses, two draws, thirteen ko out of those wins
he came out. Yeah, he came out in twenty twelve.
Of course, he had to deal with homophobia from the
boxing world, including from trainer Peter Fury, who is Tyson
Fury's uncle. His last fight was a twenty eighteen and

(05:13):
it was a draw against our friend Lamon Roach of
all people. So cru said he'd been in contact with
a few other gate boxers who hadn't come out, and
I just want to say, you know, hopefully the sport
can catch up with the times eventually and welcome more
openly gay fighters. So shout out to Orlando Cruz, No,
shout out to boxing fans.

Speaker 2 (05:29):
He used the gay slers. We're off that shit.

Speaker 3 (05:32):
So it's tough because here's a situation I don't care,
Like when someone is gay straight with her I person
don't care. I don't know what you do. But I
don't think we're mature enough as a community to deal
with a good boxer that is gay or bad. I
don't think we are mature enough. I don't think we
are ready for it. Like boxing is a different sport.

(05:53):
I don't think you understand the ruleness that comes with
the fan base of boxing, and I don't think I
just don't think we're ready for that. Could be wrong,
but I thowt they we're ready for that.

Speaker 2 (06:04):
Well, I would just like for all of us.

Speaker 4 (06:07):
You know, if if this show does anything, hey, maybe
somebody will listen to us and think, you know what,
these guys are cool. They're not talking shit about you know,
we get using gay as a slur for boxes or
anything like that. Plus, you know we talk about women
who fight all the time. You know this is not
a macho for men. Only manly sport. You know, there
are a lot of great women fighting out there, and
we're we're absolutely in sport of them.

Speaker 2 (06:28):
So yeah, let's let's jump into the news.

Speaker 4 (06:32):
So as always, I woke up this morning at the
krak of noon, went to the newsstand and got a
copy of the Boxing Gazette and right at front page news.
This past Saturday, May thirty, first, we had a major upset.
Caleb Plant lost by split decision to Adamannotics. In these
Plant's record now stands at twenty three wins and three losses,
all three of them to Mexican guys. Because he lost

(06:53):
to Canelo and David Benavidez Jamison spite was in Vegas.

Speaker 2 (06:56):
Did you make it out?

Speaker 3 (06:57):
Did not make it out? Unfortunately, however, it was wrong timing.
So here's the thing. That fight was the same night
as a Kindred concert, not a smart as susicion. Sorry, Like,
it's already tough getting down to the strip in that
area already. If you have another event in town, like

(07:17):
you gotta be mindful of that. And the tour skin
has been out since that timber, so there is no
excuse for this to take place. But no, unfortunately was
not able to make it out, but I did watch
and definitely surprised. But also, when boxers don't come in prepared,
you fuck around and find out. I think that's a
big thing we're noticing more is that when the boxes

(07:39):
down on their air game and they're fighting someone who's hungry,
they're gonna find out that this is not a walk
in the park, and sometimes they don't find out so
too late.

Speaker 4 (07:48):
Well, on that note, did you think Plant was unprepared
or maybe you know, there's a difference between unprepared and
just the other person just had a great night and
you know, studied them well and all that.

Speaker 3 (07:58):
I don't think he took the opponent seriously.

Speaker 2 (08:00):
That's fair.

Speaker 3 (08:01):
I think that's where more come from. I don't think
he took them point of seriously. But also when you're
a guy like Kayleb Plant that has something to lose
to where when you have a contingent fight based off
of this result, there are certain mindset I expect a
boxer to have when you're in that kind of stage,
that kind of situation, and when you don't bring your
egg game, I have some returns.

Speaker 4 (08:21):
Sure, And I'm glad you brought that up because another
point I wanted to make during this fight, and that
just kept saying, Oh, for the next fight Jamal Charlow.

Speaker 2 (08:30):
And Plant, you know, this would be the big one. Ba.

Speaker 4 (08:32):
We're sitting up this fight, so I know that if
you're a boxer, you're always gonna be looking at you know,
what's my next move? What's my next move? But I'm
kind of getting tired of fights being billed as the
setup for the next thing, Like, can we just can
we just treat this like a big important fight because
they're all important, they're all they're all a big deal
because getting in that ring is a big fucking deal.

Speaker 2 (08:54):
Every time you.

Speaker 3 (08:54):
Know it is what it ain't though, because you remember,
you still got a market thing, So I understand why
it's done. However, it's one of those things where you
can do both. You can stress the importance of this
fight while also marketing the potential fight next.

Speaker 2 (09:09):
Yeah, but I understand that.

Speaker 4 (09:11):
I guess you know me, I'm always gonna go back
to movie references.

Speaker 2 (09:15):
It kind of feels like.

Speaker 4 (09:16):
When you're watching a movie, a comic book movie, and
they're talking about that they're setting up this guy is
the bad guy for the next one, and bringing up
this thing. I just want to sit there and enjoy
this damn movie. I don't want to think about what's
gonna happen six months from now, a year from now.
It takes me out of it just annoys me that
I'm like, I'm not here for Plant versus Charld, I'm
here for Plant versus the guy that's in the ring
with them.

Speaker 3 (09:36):
I feel you, But here's the issue. The way that
we've always market and fights, especially when fighter contingent on results.
That's kind of all they know. They don't know how
to market without mentioning the next possibility. It's always the hey,
if this happens, this is next, instead of hey, let's
just figure out this one first and go from there.

(09:56):
It's always been a contingency based sport and a lot
of in a lot of stuations. That's fair.

Speaker 4 (10:03):
I mean, I had the same complaints about the New
York Times boxing event where you know, Haiti and Garcia
were fighting, simple and they would not they would not
shut up about oh.

Speaker 2 (10:14):
Haiti versus Garcia, event, Haiti versus Garcia.

Speaker 4 (10:16):
It just it made what I was watching feel less important,
Like this wasn't I mean, obviously after the fact that
New York type of boxing thing was not important because
it was shitty, But that's either here or there.

Speaker 2 (10:28):
It just it just dilutes what what I'm watching.

Speaker 4 (10:31):
You know, I'm sitting there stoked to watch this fight
and all you're talking about, Well, the next one is
gonna be even better, you know what I mean.

Speaker 3 (10:39):
I understand where you're coming from, but they gotta here's
the issue though, I think like this, whenever there's a
storyline or intrigue, you gotta sell it like you have to,
like you, they would be dis honest not doing it.
So I understand where you're coming from, and I actually
agree with you. Like you, they focus more on the

(10:59):
fight itself because it's disingenuous to the people watching that
you you think about something else that hasn't even happened
yet to what's going on here. I really one hundred percent. However,
you still got a marketing, especially his part of the
story white the rematch or a potential fight is a
parlor story of this fight as well, and that's fair.

Speaker 4 (11:20):
All I'll say is that, you know, I just I
wish it took a different approach. But either way, the
plant to send these fight was awesome. Amanda to send
these was an excellent form.

Speaker 2 (11:28):
You know.

Speaker 4 (11:28):
He the last half was brutal man. He caught a
Plant with a couple of really good hopes. I think
around the seventh round wobbled him. Plant just never really recovered.
He never got back his mojo. And I'm excited to
see what Amanda to send these does next. You know,
he was a real uh definitely an underdog in this fight,
another fight that if it occurred to me, I would

(11:50):
have bet on because I was gonna bet on the
Mexican guy, of course, and it just I have to
I feel like I'm never gonna not bet again.

Speaker 2 (11:57):
I feel like I've been.

Speaker 4 (11:58):
Burned too many times between this at the Rolier Meryl
fight against Garcia, that I just missed the boat on.

Speaker 3 (12:05):
I feel you, I understand. Before we move on to
the next topic, we had to also calm down on
the prospects. So there's a lot of energy around Carmaro Motin,
but we need to slow down a little bit, like
we need to slow down just a bit. There's a
little too much gas on it. And I feel that
whenever we see a spark in someone young, it feels

(12:25):
like we try to instantly compare him that greats and
we do it in every sport, but we do it
in boxing way too quickly, and especially when no one's
really fought anybody of record or similar talent as them.
So I just hope people kind of slowed things down.
We've seen too many young guys get put on a
certain veedestal and they fight real fights and they lose.

(12:45):
It changed everything. Like Adrian Brauner had a lot of issues,
and that's a whole different episode for another day, But
we tried to escalate his career so fast and we
found out he wasn't even that good, and then when
he got humbled, it was over. I hope that we
want to learn the lessons from guys in the past
when it comes to the under eyes that show talent,

(13:05):
and we bring them up accordingly and kind of have
similar expectations to their skill set into their situations that
to say, oh, they're the next the next that they're
the next PPV star. No, we need to, you know,
we take things.

Speaker 4 (13:18):
Fight by fight, like you mentioned, No, I definitely agree
with that. I mean, I've been burned.

Speaker 2 (13:23):
You know.

Speaker 4 (13:24):
Jared, the big baby Baby Anderson was supposed to be
the next big heavyweight superstar and he's a talented fighter,
don't get me wrong, but.

Speaker 2 (13:32):
Uh, I don't remember.

Speaker 4 (13:33):
Actually where he's from, honestly, but they put him up
against Martin mccoley and he uh.

Speaker 3 (13:42):
I remember, I remember. I remember. That sucks because we
try to or looking for the next star instead of
enjoying the good fighters that they are in their current state,
We're looking for something more that sometimes they're there, and
that's not fair to the fighter the times.

Speaker 4 (13:56):
Right, So I had to look it up. Jared the
big baby, andocent is from a high actually yeah, And
you know, I remember the big old fuss everybody was
making about Niko Oli Walsh, you know, the uh to
his credit he always said and the interviews, you know,
they're really pushing my career because of my name and
my background. He never hid that. He was never like, oh, hey,

(14:18):
I'm a I'm the next big thing. I'm the you know,
the next superstar. He would always put it out there like, yeah,
you know, I got a lot of backing. They're really
believe in me because of my name, so you know,
to shout out to him for that, But yeah, I.

Speaker 3 (14:32):
Agree with you.

Speaker 2 (14:32):
It's kind of the same thing.

Speaker 4 (14:33):
It's can we focus on the current fight fighter is
fighting and not worry about the next ten things they're
going to do.

Speaker 2 (14:38):
Right that goes for him and and for Marvel movies
and Spider Man movies as well. Uh.

Speaker 4 (14:45):
On the same night then we had plant Ver Citizen These.
Right before that, we had the return of Jamal Charlow
against the guy named Thomas Lamana. Did you watch that
fight against the guy nicknamed Cornflake?

Speaker 3 (14:56):
Yeah? Yeah, thing I have. The Charlote brothers in general
kind of disappoint me because its talented as they seem,
and as much as they talk, we don't get the
performances to back those things up. We just don't like
for all the things we've heard, all things we've seen
flashes of we just don't really see it. We have

(15:18):
one guy been begging for a Canelli fight one guy.
It's just no, no, Like, I'm not a huge fan
at this point. Like I've seen enough to where I'm
not gonna go out of my way to see them
fight someone less. They're fighting a better fighter than that.
They got to fight somebody better. I mean, I'm gonna watch,
of course, but I'm not really too thrilled about it anymore.

(15:38):
They've had their chances to really make us make a
name and take a leap. I just ain't seen it.
But I've seen more out of the ring situations, ironically,
plant ironically in the last few years, but it's just
always something non boxing. The actual boxing itself has been
very underwhelming. Yeah, I know.

Speaker 4 (15:59):
There's a differ between of course I'm gonna watch a
fight because it's on, and being invested in a fight.

Speaker 3 (16:04):
Yes, yes, that's why.

Speaker 4 (16:05):
I Yeah, I think, uh, I think I saw oh Man,
don't quote me exactly, but I'm pretty sure right before
the Charlo fight and said that second that he had
two fights in four years before this one or something
like that.

Speaker 2 (16:16):
That's way too long. And now I'm.

Speaker 4 (16:18):
Not gonna I'm not gonna do the thing the boxing
fans do when they haven't heard of someone and call
somebody and nobody blah blah blah. But also, who the
fuck is corn Flake? And why haven't I heard of
a dude? Was such a stupid nickname? Have you heard
of this tape?

Speaker 3 (16:30):
Park? Did? Did you?

Speaker 2 (16:34):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (16:34):
You know?

Speaker 4 (16:35):
Cornflake? He he had, he had the technical skills, he
was just too slow on the draw. You could see
the way he was moving. He was doing the right
things you needed to do for defense. He just could
not defend fast enough against Charlo's Charlo's punches back, so

(16:55):
he you know, he also had a good record I
got to here, he was He's thirty nine, thirty nine
with six losses.

Speaker 2 (17:01):
One draw, so you know, not.

Speaker 3 (17:05):
Yeah nothing nothing, yeah yeah yeah.

Speaker 4 (17:09):
Also another thing I noticed, when Cornflick was landing, you
could even tell there wasn't much power behind those fights,
those punches, compared to when yeah, Charlie, you could you
could hear that ship with Charlo landed on Cornflake.

Speaker 2 (17:22):
Yes I did, I am no.

Speaker 3 (17:24):
And then Charlo's gonna get a decent fight going forward,
because you know, this is like a tune up fight basically,
like hey, I'm around, so he'll get a better fight
going forward. But I need to see him versus someone
that's equally as talented, if not better, both of them, actually,
but I need to see them versus guys that are
equally talented, if not better, to see how they formed,
because I've kind of seen what I need to see

(17:46):
out of them, Like there's nothing really special. It's way
more gas than anything. And I'm not a fan of
getting gassed up when it comes to boxing anymore. I'm
tired of benefit of the doubts. I'm tired of the
oh well you know they're at home or oh no,
I'm tired. I need to see results. I need to
see results. Until then, I'm cool.

Speaker 4 (18:07):
Well with that said, now that we've seen Caleb Plant
lose three times to Mexican guys, and we saw Charlotte,
you know, do do a great job against some guide
in porn flake, what do you think if they do
end up matching up? What do you think about Charlie
versus flat?

Speaker 3 (18:20):
What's going on to me?

Speaker 2 (18:22):
So?

Speaker 3 (18:23):
Uh, you know, stick up is what it is? You know,
I mean I'll download to before it. It's not all
interesting right now, like they're gonna have to build that
back up, like you're gonna need to fight. I would
say between now and probably like October, just to get
things back rolling, because once once somebody lose, it just
shakes everything out like there's no there's no interest, no

(18:43):
more unless it's on the bottom en of a card.
It's a part of a car. Like let's say, I'm
not saying it's an afternoon fight, but it was like
the third fight before main fight. Okay, cool, but it's not. No,
it's no more like co feature or in the top
headlines that ain't hit no more. Nah.

Speaker 2 (18:59):
Sure, sure, and you know, hey, maybe I'm Mando Sendys
couldn't take.

Speaker 4 (19:03):
On Charlie or some other people in that weight class
and had built up his name because you know, he's
he's earned, he's earned his shot. He definitely had a
wonderful performance. Charlo had a very good performance against a
guy that just was wasn't on this level. No disrespect
to you, cornflake. Oh again, shout out to you, corn
flake for getting in that ring that always takes guts.

Speaker 3 (19:22):
I will give him credit for being prepared. It looks
like he took the assignment seriously. And as all we
asked for from guys that we know of that are
still have their skill set is take the assignment seriously
when you're in a tune up fight or stay ready fight.
That's all we asked for. We don't have for anything else.

Speaker 4 (19:39):
Absolutely, and uh yeah, for that particular fight, it went
five rounds and the doctor recommended it stopped right at
the beginning of the sixth, right when the bell rang
in the sixth round, And honestly, I'm I'm surprised the
rerec didn't stop at himself at the fifth because court
corn Flake was getting his ass frosted. Ah, you can
cut that out, we can, we can we get keep

(20:02):
him the drafts folder this saturdyday, dude seventh. Speaking of prospects, actually,
the Zone is going to have an event called Most
Valuable Prospect. The main fight is two women, Betris Ferreda
with an eye and Maria Freda with a wi. So uh,
this is med school that's got a lot of up
and comers nobody ever heard of. Beatris is six and oh,

(20:24):
Maria is eleven and zero. And the showcase will have
folks that you know, very very early in their career.
You know, they got a guy named are Vias Ingram
eleven or no, Alexis chapano four and o and Rene
t Is eleven or no.

Speaker 2 (20:38):
So again names I haven't heard of.

Speaker 4 (20:40):
But hey, you know we've talked about before that we
used to see people that are had you know, four
and O, six and oh, and then we're.

Speaker 2 (20:46):
Not seeing enough of it.

Speaker 4 (20:48):
I suffice to say, you know, I can't ignore that
this is Jake Paul's promotional company MVP, and the Zone
has been pushing the ship out of Paul because he's
a money maker. He's got his own fight coming up there.
We'll talk about it as it gets closer. But look,
I'm on the record, I do not respect Jake Paul
as a fighter.

Speaker 2 (21:05):
I do not, straight up. I would have more.

Speaker 4 (21:08):
Respect for him if he was taking his time in
his cloud and his money to put together events like this,
you know, for him up and covers that we want
to keep an eye on.

Speaker 2 (21:17):
I think the biggest thing.

Speaker 4 (21:18):
Though, for me to say is why is he the
one doing this and not the boxing veterans? Like where
where are all these young kids that deserve a spotlind
I don't know what you're thinking.

Speaker 3 (21:28):
Yeah, I mean I believe it has to be something
financially based. That's not everything has to be something based
off finances because he's doing He's not doing just because.
I just think thats wherever's putting enough money together, where's involved?
They have picked who's involved because it makes financial sense.
No one's doing it just just because. Unfortunately right now,

(21:49):
Box is in a weird spot where you need to
have your promotion team. You have your team and everybody
you're well, all the sponsors on the same page because
right now, the money's not tricky. The money is just
very it's very committed. So it's committed to certain fighters
and certain companies. The days are just getting on a

(22:09):
card and fighting and getting a check are long gone.
That's that's going. You need to have your stuff straight
because what's happening is we're finding out guys are ready
to fight, they've been training, but there's no incentive to
put them on a car because they're not. There's no
one invested up having people watch them. And I think

(22:29):
going forward it's gonna be more of I'm not saying
content creators got's the business stretch, but boxers got to
have their business stuff in order all the way around
because things are things are changing and I don't know
if y'all have paid atention to our economy, but our
economy is changing as well. So if there's not an
incentive for somebody to actually tune in and watch you fight,

(22:50):
I don't know what's gonna happen.

Speaker 4 (22:53):
Right And oh boy, it it kind of does burn
to give you a little bit heartburn to give Jake
Polony creditor know any any respect. But if his whole
thing is yeah, I'll fight with you on his own
and make you a show a little money. And also,
you know you bring this promotional event that I have
for my folks, people that I sign my up and
comers on as well.

Speaker 2 (23:13):
You know that's a good use of your club.

Speaker 4 (23:15):
Okay. That's people are always saying like, well, is are
the Paul brothers good or bad for boxing?

Speaker 3 (23:21):
You know?

Speaker 4 (23:21):
Did they bring people in? Blah blah blah, Like I don't.
I don't like that cliche conversation. You know, we've seen
the guy fight. His fights are not the spights of trash.
He's not a good fighter. He used this cloud to
bring Mike Tyson onto the ring. That doesn't Oh god,
I forgot the country girl's name. That don't impress me
much like this. However, if you're going to use your

(23:43):
cloud to do something like this and really showcase up
and comers, I will begrudgingly give you some respect on
this show, just not so much in public. You know
it's you can tell him joking on my words here
all got you?

Speaker 3 (23:59):
But and also here's the thing.

Speaker 2 (24:02):
But Paul, my brother, you don't have to fight.

Speaker 4 (24:04):
You know, you can be a promoter, the guy promoting,
you know, the biggest bands in the world aren't up there,
you know, with Coldplay on a quitar on stage, you
know what I mean, the managers and all that stuff.

Speaker 2 (24:14):
You don't have to be center stage.

Speaker 3 (24:15):
But he can pay himself more if he fights, that's true.

Speaker 2 (24:18):
That's true.

Speaker 3 (24:19):
You know, he can get two checks one as a
fighter on a promoter, so you can technically right off
one of them if you decide to. That's fair.

Speaker 4 (24:28):
Well, we'll talk more about the guy as it gets
closer to his fight with Javis Junior and July. So
let's see what else we got going on this weekend. Oh,
on the very same night, on Saturday two seventh, we've
got the return of Keishawn Davis or Virginia's own versus
Dominicano Edwin Delosantos shout out to dr In fact, this

(24:52):
fight has the potential to be loca, as Dominicans say.
Kishan is a talented fighter, but is now he's now
the recipient of like the most annoying title in boxing, which.

Speaker 2 (25:03):
Is yeah, well, he doesn't flutter anybody. He doesn't fluted
anybody in a real competition.

Speaker 4 (25:08):
Look, the man's thirteen to oh so far, you know,
he's how many more fights does he need to have
before he's no longer the guy who's never had a
lead competition like plus he is, he's a world champion,
he's got the WBO lightweight belt from this year.

Speaker 3 (25:22):
That But also, here's the thing I said earlier, we
have to gradually have our guys come up like this
generation doesn't understand a boxer fighting twenty five fights when
he's a tyler shot. They don't understand that nowadays you
fight tenn fight fight for a belt. That was never
the case in the in the past. That's something relatively new.

(25:43):
So we're we're about on page. With that being said,
I expect him to put on a performance like when
you're the guy when you're labeled the next guy. I
need to see it, and I expecting it, and I
believe we'll get it. And he's at home too, so
I believe it is going to be a good showing.
But I gotta see it, and I'm expecting it. I expect.

(26:05):
I'm gonna watch with intentions of me being the guy.
He put it on performance. He's basically saying, Hey, this
guy doesn't belong in the same ring as me. That's
how I'm going to watch in the fight. Now that changes,
it changes, but that time going into the.

Speaker 2 (26:19):
Fight, sure, and you know, I'm excited to look. I
am a fan. Shout out to Keisha. I am absolutely
a fan.

Speaker 4 (26:25):
I watched him fight Dennis Barncheck on Valentine's Day of
this year at Austin. We talked about that in the
previous episode. Fantastic performance, had a great time, and yeah,
you know, maybe he he didn't get his he didn't
deserve let's say he didn't deserve his title shot early.
But he's still a young fighter and he is an
active fighter. He thought he's about three times a year
the last few years. You know, we've been complaining about

(26:46):
fighters not fighting enough for since the beginning of this
goddamn show.

Speaker 3 (26:50):
So it's a big part of fighting a lot of times.
Sorry Country, I did not mean to cut you off there,
but a big time A big thing of staying active
is staying out bullshit. So that's a young guys. And again,
everybody's different, everybody's lifestyle is different. But the main thing
that the main reason why I want guys fighting more
is because the more time you're fighting, the more time
you're training for a fight, the more time you're staying

(27:11):
in shape. You're not in the clubs, not in the streets,
and not hanging around with bad people. You're not doing
dumb shit, not at tempted to do dumb shit, especially
when you're younger. The older guys I expect better from
them because they're older. But the young guys, I expect
them to fight multiple times a year because they stay ready.
And also, nowadays is in a different era where you
might get a title fight just based off of being

(27:31):
in game shape. You know, with somebody coming out last minute,
you might get a title fight with three weeks to prepare.
But if you already in shape, you're good. How many
times have we seen somebody take a fight last minute
and look terrible because they're not in shape and they're
just there for the check. It happens way too often.
But I'm a big believer of staying active as much
as possible because you just never know. And what Kishan,

(27:53):
The thing I like about him is he looks ready
and he feels like boxing the priority. Then it doesn't
feel like he's involved in anything else. You know, no
content creator, you know, trying to be a mobile It
feels like he's trying to be the best possible boxer
you could be, and I can respect.

Speaker 2 (28:06):
It, sure absolutely.

Speaker 4 (28:08):
I mentioned his last fight was just in February, and
who knows if after this one he might fight again
in twenty twenty four. That would make nine fights in
three years, which is you know, unheard of for the.

Speaker 2 (28:18):
For the big names.

Speaker 4 (28:19):
So uh yeah, and I totally get what you're saying
about there's not enough. You didn't get a title shot
after ten bites, but he did win the fight, and
I just I just don't like to get the boxing
experts in the Instagram comments being like, well he's fucked nobody, okay,
but he still fought a champion and he won. Don't
immediately write somebody off, you know, nobody.

Speaker 3 (28:41):
Nobody title gets a little old because we're direspecting someone
that is actually is not a nobody. I think people
need to start using the world I'm not familiar with
that boxer or I've seen a whole lot, but nobody less.
It's true and nobody I hit. For instance, if you
and I started fighting professionals, we're nobody's in that craft.
You eating certain things and training a certain way and

(29:02):
not doing this, not doing that, you're not nobody. You
may be a guy that people don't know a whole
lot about, we're not nobody. That's very unfair because you
gotta realize these dudes are making sacrifices that no one
else is gonna make. They're making life sacrifices and doing
things that in ninety nine point nine percent of people
cannot do. So, yeah, nobody is a is a harsh term,
and I wish there's other terms we use because it

(29:24):
disrespectful action. Agreed.

Speaker 2 (29:26):
I've never liked that.

Speaker 4 (29:27):
I've I've and the thing I dislike the most about
things like that is just the cliches that boxes you.
Is like they only say like two or three things
fought nobody, or that you know, oh he's ducking Everybody's
ducking everybody.

Speaker 2 (29:41):
There's always somebody that ducks somebody.

Speaker 3 (29:43):
So the ducking thing is weird, right, because we come
from an era where gods from much fought everyone, like
Vanner Field, Oscar Aloya fought everybody, but they fought everybody,
and they fought often, like Shane Moseley fought everybody. The
Floyd and Packiach thing left the sour tastes in our mouths,
and since they got paid so much money. Everybody that

(30:06):
came up underneath them and after them, they feel that
they can mile themselves after that model, so they can
pick and choose fights and do things and blame other
people and the whole nine yards. And it's just like, no,
that's not how it worpacially at a young age. Like
if look, if you're thirty four, then yeah, you can
pick and choose who you want to fight. Why are

(30:26):
you ducking people at twenty seven? This is ridiculous. Like,
like I said, Oscar has been a wild boy. He's
done a lot of things. However, the one thing none
of us can you know, say he did was duck.
He didn't duck anybody. And I have a lot of
respect for him as a boxer because when Loser draw
he was ready to fight anyone. Now, I know he

(30:46):
needed the money because there's a lot of financial stuff
going on, but he fought everyone. We don't have that
same thing anymore, Like it's just not the same thing.

Speaker 4 (30:56):
Well as part of it that you know, Floyd the
retire the zero losses and everybody wants to be Floyd
and the boys losing that that oh on the record,
is that part of it?

Speaker 3 (31:06):
Yep? As part of it, but also the money part.
Floyd has basically said, hey, be your own entity. Don't
listen to a promotion company, Don't be this, don't be that.
Be your own man. So we got people making demands
and living a life that they don't have the skill
set for. You've got too many people trying to be
the boss, but they don't have a boss skill set

(31:27):
of all. Due respect to Shaker Stevenson, uh to Jonta
Ta Davis, to Boots, all the guys hani to a femo,
y'all ain't gonna to be ducky nobody. I'm sorry, y'all
are good talented guys. Y'all have shown a lot of
promise in different ways. I'm not trying to hear y'all

(31:50):
duck anybody, y'all, I'm not good enough for that. Like
I'm sorry. Like no, y'all need to fight the good
fight because right now, the biggest issue we have is
Gavante should be a household name for boxing. As for
what he does now, he has flaw. I'm not not
saying part of fighter, but for how he fights and
persona he lives on, he should be a household name

(32:12):
for boxing and right now we're entering at Dane rezone
where it's one fighter year territory. It's not good. It's
not good, a massive thing. We need more fights with
more people fighting teno few Mo. Lopez should not have
the power to duck anybody. Shouldn't. Like he has not
accomplished enough to duck anybody in this sport. Shouldn't. That's sorry,

(32:34):
and boots boots saving. He has done a lot in
the sport to get a name for where he's at
his age. But come on, man, we'll be talking about
why does he have a decision on who he should
be fighting? Who's no, No, this is ridiculous, It's truly ridiculous.

Speaker 4 (32:51):
You know, we have a lot of complaints about the
boxing commissions, and you know they're they've they've done a
lot of should that just kind of has not been
great for boxing. We're all, but I think, why aren't
they just making more mandatory fights. Yeah, if you're saying like, well,
you're gonna do fight this here, you're gonna fight that guy,
and if not, I'm sorry, you know you'll pass you up.
Because that's the problem is that if you're not fighting.

(33:13):
Tank is a big name, yes, and but like you said,
he's maybe not a household name. He's not considered the
face of boxing. Million maybe should be. But the more
time you spend away, the more time people are gonna
forget about you because there's always the next guy ready.
It doesn't mean that you're a shitty fighter now, it
just means that there's always going to be somebody else,
a new kid on the horizon. And we're boxing is

(33:35):
a short term sport. You know, you're it's a short
term lifestyle.

Speaker 2 (33:38):
You're not going to be.

Speaker 4 (33:39):
Here, you know, probably in your forties. Maybe some folks
can come back in their forties. Maybe that's something a
conversation will have in a minute. But at the end
of the day, thirty is a senior citizen in this sport.
So you got to strike while they Aron is hot.

Speaker 3 (33:52):
And also you're jeopardizing your fan base because if you
only fight once a year, unless of that fight is
like kind of lackluster. So you're saying that you might
go like eighteen months, well on like one fight. It's
just not a lot of you're not helping your family,
but people who pay your salary and who put the
money you pocket. You're not doing a lot for them,
and I think I think we've lost focus of that.

(34:15):
The boxing business, the business of boxing has taking the
fans for granted all the way around, from Bay per
view stuff to the where fights you can watch fights at,
to the price of tickets, to all that stuff. They've
taken us for granted, and the boxers basically cherry picking
opponents to make a bunch of money but not put
on compelling fights. I'm cool, I'm not not thrit about that.

Speaker 4 (34:38):
So, you know, I think the last thing I have
to say on that is this, speaking of Tank, you know,
when he fuck Garcia went down to the neighborhood downtown,
not the originals in the ghetto of the Stabby one
there is they have like more upscale club type spot.
And there was a lot of people there, mostly Garcia
fans because it is two so a lot of Mexicans
here well, and but there there was a good continguent

(35:01):
to Tank fans. You know, when he came out, there's
a lot of cheers in the crowd, and I saw
a guy wave like a Tank Davis T shirt, and
I saw that, I was like, oh, hell yeah, I
want a Tech Dave's T shirt.

Speaker 2 (35:09):
But then I thought, for a second.

Speaker 4 (35:10):
I was like, Okay, if I wear a Tank Davis
T shirt, who the fuck is gonna know I'm wearing
a Tank David shirt, you know what I mean? Like,
if I'm just out in public, like I could wear
a Canelo shirt and people are like, oh yeah, even
if they're not even boxing fans, a lot of them,
you know, just a Mexican guy who doesn't follow boxing,
he'll know that.

Speaker 2 (35:25):
But that's kind of like it's.

Speaker 4 (35:27):
A very simplistic way of putting it, I admit, but
that's kind of what came to mind when I saw
that shirt.

Speaker 2 (35:33):
I was like, it's a red shirt.

Speaker 3 (35:34):
You know, I would wear it. But that's fair. But
the style of Tank Davis should be like a he
should be a household thing. We should know that, oh
he's fighting such as such, he knocks everybody out at
the time he fights. That should be a national thing,
not just a boxing thing. That should be not a
sports fan. That should be a household Oh shit, Tank
Davis fight. I gotta watch, but we're just not there yet.

Speaker 4 (35:56):
Sure, And everybody, even if they weren't boxing fans, they
knew who Floyd was, they knew that he was fighting,
they knew if I was happening right back in the day. Yeah,
so yeah, you know, shout out to Takeishano. Abdullah Mason
is going to be on that card as well, and
up and comer, very talented young man. He's one of
those that I'm looking forward to seeing how he grows,
how he develops, and hopefully it's not one of those

(36:18):
where he gets into a big match and I go, oh, no,
what happened. But I've been wrong before, you know, Hey,
I'm never I'm never afraid to admit that when I'm
wrong and say that I have been wrong. But I'm
hoping I'm not on this one because Abdullah Mason, you know,
talented kid, and I want to see fixed up from him.
And yeah, another another guy is actively fighting, so fingers

(36:41):
crossing things go well for him.

Speaker 3 (36:43):
So a good friend of mine once told me that
if you've been in this business long enough and ain't
got one long that you're not doing it right. Okay,
how it goes like you're gonna if you watch enough
boxing and you have an idea of a prospect, but
you know, I'm asking you a question. So you were
to ask me questions? Who was the one prospect where
you thought it was gonna work out. You just didn't

(37:04):
where He's like, okay, good, it looked good. We got
the skill sets, and it just never happened.

Speaker 4 (37:10):
I think it was I already said I already said it.
Jared the big Baby Anderson, you know, he was getting
you know, lots of lots of early knockouts, lots of
knockouts and like early rounds never went distance. Edgar Burhlanga,
you know, he was what was it, He has like
eight or nine first round knockouts. So I was like, okay,

(37:30):
that's cool. I'm excited to see. You know, he's Edgar Berlanga, skilled, talented,
you know, a lot of power.

Speaker 2 (37:38):
So I was very excited.

Speaker 4 (37:40):
To see what he looked like when he you know,
fought real competition, and that just kind of went downhill.
I that's one we want to talk about, you know,
the not living up to the opportunity is he should
not have gotten the Canelo fight. Luckily, that was a
very entertaining fighter and I had a good time. But yeah,
I would say the biggest disappointment recently were Jared Big

(38:02):
Baby Anderson and Edgar Berlanga.

Speaker 3 (38:05):
Adrian Broner for me, and when he was at one
thirty he looked like the goods he watched by that
was coming to be next. However, our producer and third
host on this show knows exactly what I'm want to
talk about. There's a picture of Adrian Browner doing adult
things in a place where he should not be doing

(38:25):
the mat and once that happened, we both said it's over.
Why we knew at that point that he's not serious
and it was over. We will discuss it off air
about what he was doing on stage details, but we
both saw that a picture and we thought the same
thing at the same time, and we were head of
the game because it was never the same after that.
And now Adrian Broner is doing them the cash app

(38:46):
scam on Instagram. So it's all bad, It's all bad.

Speaker 2 (38:52):
It's all bad.

Speaker 4 (38:52):
Well, okay, and another question on this very topic, So
what is the what is the biggest issue here with
these prospects that flame out. Is it that, yes, the
promoters are building them up without the real skills.

Speaker 3 (39:05):
But here's the thing.

Speaker 4 (39:06):
If you're building somebody up and they develop the skills,
you know, they might make a name for themselves. Or
is it that they're just not focused and they're doing
you know, stupid shit outside of the ring.

Speaker 3 (39:15):
It's the focus with the elevated hype. So as the
hype grows, you've got to be more and more focused
because you got now you have a target on your
face and on your head. If you're not prepared for that,
then you're gonna get bad results. And unfortunately it's not.
Everybody's built to be focused, and then everybody's built to
be on point every time, and some people just don't
have the structure in their own lives. So now you're

(39:37):
giving somebody money, you get fame and expectations, and then
they're built to handle that, right.

Speaker 4 (39:43):
And that's something I've said, we both said, you know,
there is a thing, a real issue, not just the
boxing and a lot of different things, but it's getting high.

Speaker 2 (39:52):
On your own supply.

Speaker 4 (39:53):
And that's probably that even even the big guys, even
you know, the big names, even you know, my boy Canelo,
I've said absolutely he's been high on don't supply when
he's taking out of fights, and uh, I think that's
what's I agree that that's probably the biggest killer of
these potential prospects with a lot of talent and just
you know, doesn't work out for them, So hopefully, hopefully

(40:14):
they can listen to the show and just you know,
think twice about doing stupid shit outside of outside.

Speaker 3 (40:19):
Of the ring. Can you only have your You only
have a certain window to do what you're trying to do.
Some people's windows a year, some people's your windows fifteen.
You only got a certain amount of time to capitalize
on your peak earnings. And once it's gone, it is gone,
And you end up being the third fight on a card,
in the fore fight of a car. Then you end
up fighting before the before everybody starts finishing up the

(40:42):
chairs in the event. Are you fighting when it's sunlight out? Yeah?
You fight at three thirty pm when the main cars
are to seven. Ship went bad.

Speaker 4 (40:52):
When you when you're only on ESPN Plus and you
see there's only like twenty people in the stadium, like
like the.

Speaker 3 (40:58):
People who Plus on an iPhone. H Yeah, it's all bad.
I've done quick story though. We saw a mirror con
fight at three forty five on someone's card and I
think he won, but it was like it was maintenance
people in the crowd. It wasn't even family and friends.
They out there doing enjoying Vegas. It was just family
and friends and events setter up roots. That was it.

(41:19):
So again, you can go from headlining event to being
there with Janders real quickly. You don't take your shit.

Speaker 4 (41:25):
Seriously, Yeah no, And you know I've I've never I
don't think I've ever tuned in. Even I as a
boxing super fan who loves fighting so much, never tuned
in that early.

Speaker 3 (41:36):
It's not all no, that's so the TV don't start
tilling six. So when you go so they have an event.
So when they have any event, there's a bunch of
fights before y'all even get to watch on TV. There's
a gang of local fights, all kinds stuff, four round fights, six,
there's a gang of smaller events because it's a card
and you need to fill up the card. With that
being said, the TV starts around six, depending on the

(41:59):
little but normally six pm, three or four under cards
in the main event. That's normally how it goes. Sometimes
the ten starts at seven and then two under cards
and then the main just put him on. How it's
set up. But if you actually go to the venue
when the door's open at two pm, oh yeah, you
go see some ship, you see some round fights for sure.

Speaker 2 (42:21):
Well shout up, speak a shot out to a mere con.
I say, always the brides maid, never the bride. I
like him though. He's kind of funny.

Speaker 3 (42:28):
You know.

Speaker 4 (42:28):
What was it something that he was accused of juicying
or having using pds or whatever, and he said, if
I did, I would have been better.

Speaker 3 (42:35):
Come on guys, Yeah and mpds And I hope that
jaw that he's got.

Speaker 2 (42:42):
He's got a sense of keber about himself. So I've
always I've always thought.

Speaker 3 (42:44):
Him in deering. So he's rich, rich right like he
has ye.

Speaker 2 (42:51):
Yeah, I don't know, Like I don't know much about
his background his money comes from. But he seemed to
never really need this, you know.

Speaker 4 (42:58):
Maybe maybe that's why he You know, the most dangerous
fighters are people that like can't go back to the
ghetto where they came from. You know, the people that
came from nothing, have nothing that if they lost they
they will not lose everything to go back. So correct,
maybe he never had he never had that hunger so well,
speaking of people who maybe missed their window when it

(43:22):
comes to fighting, speaking of people who are rich and
have a lot to have no reason to be in
the ring. The boxing world is buzzing because Manny Pacchio
will return to fight Mario Babrios on July nineteenth. Now,
this is a legit title shot for the WBC. Well, yeah,
so this is this is what I want to ask.

(43:42):
So we've talked about how you know, Mike Tyson coming
back against Jake Paul is not real boxing.

Speaker 2 (43:47):
It's a showcase. We don't care.

Speaker 4 (43:49):
Is it more legit? Do you care more? Because he's
actually up for a belters a sham? What's your what's
you're doing?

Speaker 3 (43:55):
Taxes? You gotta fight when you over, when you o irs,
you gotta put them up. You know that's the wrong
way of getting income. You gotta you gotta fight until
you're clear with him. Them folks don't play. And I
think he owed taxes here and in the Philippines or
shit like that because the same people are talking about
the So everyone likes to talk about like you know

(44:16):
PBC and you know don King Bob Aram gets away
with murder, how he treats his boxers and sometimes the
band situations of those guys alt him. And you know,
from most of my knowledge, did really well with the
boxers money wise, probably too well, because that's kind of
the issue we're in now. But there's no way pack

(44:36):
yall should have had tax issues. There's no way ten
years ago that or no, it was a not not
to know it was ten years He thought maybe they're
ten years ago, and they both clear over one hundred
million dollars in that fight. There is no reason why
money is an issue. There's no reason why someone should

(44:57):
have tax problems after that. So that leads me to
believe something ain't right. Something we don't know something because
something that does not pass the smell test. And there
was no one hill after that night that anyone should
have issues. Goll through you one better. Floyd fought Connor McGregor,
and Connor gregor a hain't been oda gone since. So
something right with Pachia?

Speaker 4 (45:18):
Okay, I am with you. I agree with everything you said.
And also, Maddy's a legend. He doesn't have to actually
compete for a belt against a guy who's thirty, you know,
to make his money. You know he can do a
showcause he can. He can come back and do I
don't know, fight a goddamn kickboxer. People will come out.
He could do a reality show. I don't know, people
will tune in if he can, which I believe he

(45:40):
can come back with some dumb little showcase that nobody
cares about. Why would he do this, like he said,
you know of course, Oh I love boxing. I've always
thought about it, and I want to come back and passionate.

Speaker 3 (45:51):
What's funny, I'll tell you why he wins this one.
It sets up the next fighter for more money. Okay,
that's all it's for. He's not fighting, it's just because because,
like you mentioned, if that was the case, he can
fight the work so he can fight anybody like. But
this is for a purpose. You suck around to get
a belt at forty plus years old, there's there's intrigue
in you. Then you can start having conversations with other

(46:13):
boxers and next thing you know, he messed around fighting
you know whomever. I've heard want rumors, but we're not
going to go into that today. But yeah, there's a
payday for someone out there. I'll put it that way.
If he has a belt, there's a there's a huge
payday for somebody out there that normally wouldn't be out there.

Speaker 4 (46:32):
Really, Romero already said that he would want to fight
many Yeah, okay, yeah, and then and again that's fair.
I'm just kind of wondering, Like you know, we talked
on this very show about George Foreman coming back in
the forties becoming the world heavyweight champion at forty five.
You know what's the and George Farmon needed money. We've

(46:52):
seen we saw the movie all that too, But the
man still pulled it off. Does many have the chance
to pull it off?

Speaker 2 (46:57):
Or how about this? Do we think his hard is
even gonna be? I guess it's the question.

Speaker 3 (47:01):
I would venture no, and no, I don't think he
would pull it off. And I think at that age
for his skill set is not good fighting younger fighters.
When you're that old and that kind of skill set
where you're not your punches lack power, and you're not
as sharp, it's just a very dangerous proposition. But and
also the motivation, like deep downside, you know, you don't

(47:23):
have to do this, Like you said, there's other ways
of getting money. But norm what we know about boxers
is the only reason they're still fighting at forty plus
is because they owe, and they owe a lot of money.
That's the only reason. That's it. There's no other there's
no other reason. But when I saw this fight. I
was like, Oh, he's trying to get another big fight.
He's trying to get one last big fight to make
a lot of money. Whether it's Roly, whether it's Tank,

(47:45):
whether it's whomever, whomever it might be. He's in the
position to get in there with a big name, draw
a lot of buzz, and then cash out one more time. God.

Speaker 2 (47:56):
Okay, so Many is the underdog in this fight. So
I'm assuming you would I don't have that, give it
the addo.

Speaker 3 (48:02):
I gotta see it first. I can't. You can't give
you no. I can't tell him any Congomy's tough right now?

Speaker 4 (48:08):
Sure, yeah, you know, and Floyd is speaking of which
he said it's actually well, first he said it's a
cash scrap, which we can all see that, but he
also said it's unfair to younger fighters who are putting
in the work, you know, trying to get the shot
and for Many to come back, you know, after retirement,
and after his last fight was in August August of
twenty twenty one when he lost against York Nugas.

Speaker 2 (48:29):
Mind you, so I don't know.

Speaker 4 (48:34):
Legacy counts for a lot, you know, obviously that name
has a lot of weight to it. But should it,
I mean should we should we be seeing Manny coming
back in the ring and going this is ridiculous, this
is a shif, this is stupid.

Speaker 3 (48:46):
You know that.

Speaker 4 (48:47):
But again, people were actually intrigued to watch Mike Tyson
come back as a senior citizen to fight Paul.

Speaker 2 (48:54):
So I don't know.

Speaker 4 (48:55):
I think it's more of a mindset thing of how
we as fancy. It's like you got to let your
guys go. Your guys are done, let him go, let
him right off into the sunset, and yeah, let him
make a goddamn reality TV show to make money if
they need to. I don't know.

Speaker 2 (49:06):
That's that's my take.

Speaker 3 (49:07):
Something to write a book, something, This ain't it though?

Speaker 4 (49:11):
Yeah, yeah, well let's just say you know what, Let's
say this, stay safe, Manny, stay safe in that ring. Yes, yes,
so yeah, maybe the maybe you can fight the loser
of Canelo versus Crawford.

Speaker 3 (49:23):
No, no, that's not a safe that's safe.

Speaker 2 (49:28):
So no, well, hey, Madia, bother is no slutch. You know,
he's he's a he's a good fighter.

Speaker 3 (49:34):
So he's a younger fighter. Like it's just nah, I mean,
but he if you if you them people, if you
o them. People gotta do what you gotta do. If
you if you l I R S seven eight figures,
I get it, Like I get it. I ain't hating
on that, but they got me another way.

Speaker 2 (49:50):
What he was a politic Mann, He was a politician
in the Philippines. I believe he was a senator.

Speaker 4 (49:54):
So if you're like a senator, like a like a
full fledged politician, and you're not corruptly skimming money from
every you can, you're really bad at the job.

Speaker 2 (50:03):
Like that's really the job. I know, it's just like.

Speaker 3 (50:05):
Passing exact what are you doing? Anyway?

Speaker 4 (50:09):
Funny, here's the thing I'm not even saying, like stealing shit.
And basically there are legit legal ways for politician to
shadely get a shitload of money from like you.

Speaker 2 (50:18):
Know, contracts and this and that.

Speaker 3 (50:20):
What what happened?

Speaker 4 (50:21):
You know what I would I would be less likely
to vote for a senator who is broke after they
become a senator, you know what I mean?

Speaker 3 (50:28):
Right, what the hell?

Speaker 2 (50:31):
You're just clearly you're just clearly a dummy if you
can't make a shitload of bundy, you know, hold the
of federal office.

Speaker 4 (50:36):
But anyway, yeah, shout out to well, we'll talk a
little bit more about this particular fight and say it
gets closer more about the undercard. I just kind of
wanted to get this out there and see, you know,
where we stood on the legitimacy, legitimacy of many coming
back in the ring versus you.

Speaker 2 (50:51):
Know, for a title shot versus just a showcase. But yeah,
you know this is with the show.

Speaker 4 (50:56):
It's always like things get announced, there are a few
months out, we talk about it, but then it always
comes back out because the fight is about to happen,
and you know, maybe some shit.

Speaker 2 (51:04):
Happened, some drama in between, which is cool.

Speaker 4 (51:07):
I just don't want to get into a situation like
Tank and Roach, where we talked about it for six months.

Speaker 3 (51:13):
Over and over and over.

Speaker 2 (51:14):
I'm like, Oh, just let the fight happen and get
out of my life, all right.

Speaker 4 (51:21):
Does up next, we're going to get into our recurring
segment called pop Pugilism, in which we discussed a movie,
TV show, or documentary about boxing. Today we're talking about
a film from twenty thirteen called Grudge Match, directed by
Peter Siegel, starring from usis Loan, Robert de Niro, Kevin Hart.
For some reason Kim Basinger and the great John Berenthal

(51:44):
wasting his time. It's a movie about two fighters from Pittsburgh.
Stallone is Henry Razor Sharp and de Niro is Billy
the Kid Done and the laziest, dumbest screenwriter nickname for boxers,
like what's the easiest nick nackam I cold?

Speaker 3 (51:58):
Come up with?

Speaker 2 (51:59):
Kickity klapp raise the sharpened? Billy the Kid with Donna.

Speaker 4 (52:02):
They fought twice in the eighties, so long quits before
the trilogy. Thirty years later, both fighters are convinced to
get into the ring as geriatrics. So there's a theme
in today's episode about it. Yeah, jameson, what did you
think about this? This twor de force of cinema?

Speaker 3 (52:21):
So all right, So with all that being said, I
had to go out after round three, which means I
watched about thirty minutes of it and I hadn't go
on a towel. I couldn't do it, like after all
the good stuff we've watched, I couldn't go any further. Like,
I just could not. It was not it. It had

(52:43):
some names in there, had some big names, but it
was a very rough watch. And I try to value
my time like, I know, you try to value your time.
I personally could not do it. With all due respect
to the names that were in the movie.

Speaker 2 (52:57):
With you, this movie, I watched the whole thing straight up.
This movie sucks. It sucks shit.

Speaker 3 (53:03):
It was really it was the point where I was trying,
and then ten minutes later I was like, nah, I
just can't do it.

Speaker 4 (53:10):
Like no, I had to watch it in shifts. I
took like three shifts to watch it because it was
a tough, tough watch.

Speaker 2 (53:18):
So Jesus where to start. Well, first of all, it's
almost two hours, it's an hour and fifty minutes. And
then there's.

Speaker 4 (53:24):
Yeah, the So I saw the trailer years ago. I
don't know what I expected. I saw it and I
thought that looks dumb. But I did not expect it
to try to be a comedy. And it's even worse
because it's aggressively unfunny, like all the comedy fell flat.
There's only they actually only have two jokes. It's you're

(53:44):
old a europeussy, Like that's basic.

Speaker 3 (53:48):
It felt like they threw some names in there just
to have some star power. But it felt forced. It
didn't feel genuine. It felt real, real force and for me,
it just wasn't it. It just wasn't at all. I
was just like, nah, like we gotta get back to
documentary or something, because it's like it wasn't me it was.

(54:08):
It was not like boxing boxing either, right, it's not
even like it's not something that happened or is depicting
something like this is isn't it? Is it?

Speaker 2 (54:18):
I'll take the blame on this.

Speaker 4 (54:19):
I picked it for it because I wanted to watch
something kind of dumb and to make fun of. But
this was like way worse than I expected. I thought
it was just like, oh, this is silly, silly, it's
actually embarrassing. I'm sorry, it's embarrassing. So what they do
at the beginning is when stallone and and the Nero's
characters are young, and then their first fights they do
the worst like CGI put the actor's face on a

(54:41):
younger guy thing and it looks like dog shit. It's
just it's they basically turned into a cartoon for for
those flashbacks.

Speaker 2 (54:49):
It's it's rough.

Speaker 4 (54:52):
The actual fighting, the actual match between the two of
at the end, it looks like too Grandpa's in the ring.
All they're doing is just like throw swing hooks back
and forth, back and forth. There's nothing that looks like
real boxing at all. There's nothing in this that even
looks like actual fighting. It's just like I said, this
guy shows a hook. This guy shows a hook. This
guy baby slips and does another hook. It's you know

(55:14):
what this this is the type of movie that's for grants.
They this is called a geezer pleaser. This is specifically
for old folks to slap their knees at the at
the Rocky references right right, there is a terrible scene
where they promote their fight at an MMA match at
the beginning of an MM match, and I don't.

Speaker 2 (55:34):
Even like HMMA, Like I don't care. We neither of us.

Speaker 4 (55:36):
We've talked about how we don't watch it, we don't
care about it. But the whole thing in this movie was, yeah,
MMA is so gay. It's like they ask the guys
if they're fans.

Speaker 2 (55:45):
Are just stillone's like, ooh, I don't like watching guys
rolling around the floor in my fights.

Speaker 4 (55:51):
And somebody's fucking grandpa in the theater was just like
hep slapping the knees, you know, elbowing his friends. It's
it's bad, It's it's not clever. I've watched Kevin Hart's
stand up when he has made me laught few TETs
here and there, Like I think he made me.

Speaker 2 (56:07):
Laugh once in this movie.

Speaker 4 (56:11):
The worst part, the worst what's worse than the comedy
is when it tries to be like heartfelt and emotional
and shony pathos and it's god, it's it's hard to
even find more adjectives to just take to terrible.

Speaker 2 (56:23):
You know, John Berthal, I love the man, one of
my favorite actors.

Speaker 3 (56:28):
I bet you he was.

Speaker 4 (56:29):
Thrilled you tell him like, oh I get to be
in a movie with Robert de Niro. I love John Bernthal.
He had some probably didn't have much heat on him
at this time. Now he's like hot commodity for the
Walking Dead. He's the punisher, you know, he's the movies.
But the poor guy he's doing, he's really trying. He's
he's a talented actor. He's really trying to make this
movie work. And like I said, he is just wasting

(56:49):
his time.

Speaker 3 (56:52):
You know what, I think.

Speaker 4 (56:53):
You know it's probably the same. I don't know if
it's the same. And from your neck of woods, but there,
when you get to a certain age, the DNB will
only give you a driver's license for like four years
at a time. Yeah, yeah, we need to do that
with actors. I don't care how much of a legend
you are. When you reach a certain age, like DeNiro,
you get to make like two or three movies in
four years, and if they're just not working, I'm sorry,

(57:16):
mandatory retirement. We're taking your fucking sad cart away. You
know what, you had, your chance, you had, you had
an amazing career. What do you do in making grudge match?
Or like, what was it like Dirty Grandpa? I think
he was in that terrible Last Vegas movie. It's don't
respect your legacy, dammit you DeNiro stallone Mani Pacquiao.

Speaker 2 (57:37):
Respect your legacy and don't do stuff like this in
your old age, is what I have to say.

Speaker 3 (57:42):
So yeah, uh oh.

Speaker 2 (57:45):
One more thing.

Speaker 4 (57:47):
There's this band, the s British band called the Heavy.
Nobody knows it by that name, but you have heard
of them because they have the song the how You
Like Me Now?

Speaker 3 (57:56):
Song? Okay, it's in this movie.

Speaker 4 (57:59):
It's in so many movies, in so many commercials. If
you heard the song, you know it. I don't know
this band. If like they're British. Maybe they have like
a picture of somebody from the royal family doing something illegal,
like literally like eating a baby or something. Because this band,
their songs are in every movie trailer. They have two

(58:20):
songs in this movie. There are songs I heard that
band come up again and I'm like, why the hell
is the Heavy have such cloud?

Speaker 2 (58:28):
I'm sorry, and it's on it. It's been on Entourage,
it's been in the Fighter with Mark Wahlberg.

Speaker 3 (58:34):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (58:35):
That song is like it's like a cancer from the
early two thousands and early odds that it just won't die.
So with that said, we usually rate movies out of
four gloves. Jamison, Well, would you rate this movie?

Speaker 3 (58:54):
Yeah, no, contest, you won't even rate it. Aby. That'so
point five out of four.

Speaker 2 (59:03):
Yeah, yeah, that's what I was thinking.

Speaker 4 (59:05):
This point five, Like the point five goes to John
berthal because you know, I love the man. He's a
great punisher and like I said, he's trying. But man,
here's the thing I'm kind of I'm hoping that John
Berthall doesn't have to go back to doing crap like this,
Like his star is rising. He hasn't really led a
movie yet. I think he deserves it. But yeah, point

(59:26):
five gloves for John Birthal. I'm glad you got to
work with the Nero. I'm sure he's probably one of
your idols. But please don't watch this movie. Don't waste
your time. Right, all right, let's get out of here. Jamison,
Where can people find you?

Speaker 2 (59:39):
On social media?

Speaker 3 (59:40):
Twitter? At the Jamison Vere I'm at I'm watching the fights,
always interested in the fights and whatnot. But yeah, we
got a lot of stuff coming up soon, so I
can't wait. But at the Jamison on Twitter excellent.

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