November 6, 2024 • 35 mins
The guys are back to discuss the stories surrounding the upcoming boxing exhibition between Mike Tyson and Jake Paul and the overall state of boxing before ending things by answering one of your mailbag questions! Please rate/review/subscribe to the podcast wherever you happen to listen.
Remember to send any questions, comments or topic requests to letters@mixedpodcast.com. Be sure to follow the show on Twitter @MixedCoPodcast.
Remember to send any questions, comments or topic requests to letters@mixedpodcast.com. Be sure to follow the show on Twitter @MixedCoPodcast.
Mark as Played
Transcript
Episode Transcript
Available transcripts are automatically generated. Complete accuracy is not guaranteed.
Speaker 1 (00:01):
In this corner standing it six foot five, weight class
unknown hailing from Sin City, Las Vegas, Jamison Welch and
in this corner standing it five foot nine, Wayne Town
with six wins.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
Three losses, two arrests, four late.
Speaker 3 (00:21):
Payments on student loans.
Speaker 1 (00:23):
And two total bankruptcies hits the classy I've a HOLI.
Speaker 3 (00:29):
Thanks, tuning in to another I'm total mixed company.
Speaker 4 (00:32):
I'm your fellows Jamison Vels, joined by the classy alcoholic
what's up?
Speaker 2 (00:38):
It's you boy, the classic alcoholic Arizona booth blogger, heavy
drinking enthusiast, hangover connoisseur, and now illustrious sports commentator.
Speaker 4 (00:46):
Yes, Yes, and we're back. Had a good debut. So
it's toward the end of the year. Now, very rarely
get a whole lot of box end of the year
boxing's more of a first three quarter of the year sport.
Every now and then you get some good ones up
and the U but most likely it's January through about
October where you get all your stuff.
Speaker 3 (01:04):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (01:05):
But now we're here back, You're gonna go over a
couple of things. But we have this, you know, this
Tyson fight coming up, and you know I'm old we'll
kind of old. But I'm thirty eight. So when a tyson,
my heirs tyson fight, it's a little different. It brings
back a lot of memories. It brings back the nineties,
big back TVs, illegal, cable, quick fights, fight parties, the
(01:28):
whole nine.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
This ain't that, but I think that's what they're going for.
Speaker 4 (01:34):
This is a situation where you know this is gonna
be a little bit different. It's technically an exhibition, but
it's not like, what are your thoughts about this, this
so called fight we got coming up?
Speaker 2 (01:45):
Well, first things first, that we're going to talk about this,
uh this fight, I'm gonna need a drink.
Speaker 3 (01:49):
Yeah, do what you do? What what are you drinking?
Speaker 1 (01:51):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (01:52):
As still with my goal to get Canelo to sponsor us.
This is the VMC tequila cocktail. It's a Paloma. So
okayll OVMC call us. I don't care if I come
off like a thirsty bitch. Literally, please sponsor us.
Speaker 4 (02:07):
Understood, understood? Not I'd be cool always cane turnhow sponsors
on a handful? I would do, but I would would
not turn down manythings.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
So, so yeah, about this fight. Uh so we're talking
about Tyson fighting Uh. YouTuber Jake Paul. He and his
brother Logan Paul, started off his YouTube stars, you know,
buying celebrities, got into boxing a few years ago. And
you know, they're They're very popular, they have a big
fan base, they make a lot of money. They had
(02:37):
a lot of money. They make a lot of money.
And we recently saw Logan Paul fight Floyd Mayweather in
twenty twenty one. Uh, And this is kind of in
the same vein get somebody a fan favorite cashing on
the nostalgia. I gotta be honest, man, I don't don't
like those dudes. I think they're I don't like their personas.
I think they're smug. I am just I'm not a fan.
Speaker 3 (02:58):
You know.
Speaker 2 (02:58):
I don't care that they made their money on YouTube.
You know, a lot of grampys will say like, oh,
these kids, they're TikTok celebrities and YouTube celebrities, that none
of that matters. I just don't think they're very likable.
And I'll just say when it comes to them as boxers,
I think they bought their way in. They had their fame.
They didn't work their way up to become boxers, and
(03:20):
they I think they're hacks. I think as boxers, they're hacks.
I'm sorry, I'm I'm not going to be total you know,
throwing hate left and right. I do have a lot
of more to say about this, but I'm not a
fan of these exhibition fights that these guys put on,
and I just I just don't think it's I just
don't think it benefits the sport.
Speaker 3 (03:39):
I'll say that, so I'm with you.
Speaker 4 (03:42):
I think it's more of a situation where it's more
for like marketing and branding more than anything is not
actual boxing. I think it's like in kind of exposing
exploring things. Let's just say, you're exploiting, you know, old
MMA guys, exploring old guys that really aren't the top
like path No more so to me.
Speaker 3 (04:01):
It's not like I have a rule like I don't
pay for any of these kind of exhibitions.
Speaker 4 (04:06):
If I see the highlights somewhere, if I see an
illegal link somewhere or.
Speaker 2 (04:10):
Whatever, allegedly allegedly speaking.
Speaker 4 (04:14):
Yeah, you know, if someone got a fire stick and
the stream is good, I might, you know, I might
rock with it. I might do some stuff with it.
But other than that, I'm not interested in these Like
I get the masses, and you know, we're boxing people,
So this is not for us.
Speaker 3 (04:27):
This is for the casual person that.
Speaker 4 (04:30):
Will tune in because they're familiar with the YouTuber and
they're familiar with Mike Tyson. This is not for boxing
purists unfortunately.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
But isn't isn't that going to be a draw for
boxing fans? I mean again, you just talked about the
Tyson days that are that they try to draw in
the old fans, same thing with the Mayweather fans. Yes,
they're gonna get their YouTube what do you ca YouTube
fandom following them? But how many more guys like us
that are a little less against this type of thing
(05:00):
gonna tune in and pay for this because they want
to see Mike back in the ring. You know, I
think they're gonna get a big, a big hole. Oh no,
I mean it's on Netflix right, Yes, it is November fifteenth, so.
Speaker 3 (05:14):
You already know what it is.
Speaker 4 (05:16):
It's not a situation where that that bags are being guaranteed.
They already know what's going on when it's on. When
Netflix goes into something, they don't take losses. Netflix don't
go into a situation where, oh, we're gonna take an
l on this. Nah, they know what this is, So
I'll just put it this way. They're both gonna make
a lot of money. I hope no one has any
(05:39):
financial struggles. You know, Mike has always been rumored to
have financial issues one we or another. But that being said,
it's gonna be a good day for both of them
and for all the sponsors that everybody involved.
Speaker 2 (05:49):
So it is what it is well, And the conversation
that keeps coming up, the cliche conversation that I see
online is when these two dudes come up, somebody on
Instagram will say are they good for the sport or bad?
And there's always only two responses. One is no, they're
not good for the sport because they're not real boxers.
The other one is they're good because they bring a
lot of new people into the sport. But I just
(06:11):
want to not have that cliched conversation. I think, like
I said, if these guys said, we're gonna put on
a fun showcase boxing fans who you know, miss Mike,
who miss Floyd want to see him in the ring,
You're gonna have a good time. You're gonna tune in.
It'll be a lot of fun, I would respect a
little bit more. But they think they're the shit. You know,
(06:32):
even Jesus, I keep getting them mixed up back and forth.
But it's Jake Paul. I'm sorry. He had an interview
where he was saying like, when I hang up my gloves,
I'm gonna be one of the greatest of all time.
I'm gonna be the face of boxing, blah blah blah, which, yeah,
a lot of boxers are very braggadocious. But he's just smug.
(06:52):
I mean, he's been fighting for only a handful of
years and again fought former m guys. He fought an
NBA player that.
Speaker 3 (06:59):
I remember remember to seeing people talking about online.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
So if they just said we're gonna have a good time,
We're gonna you know, Mike's gonna get paid. We're gonna
get paid, come on down and check this out, I'd
be cool with it. I'd be like, Okay, But I
don't I really can't tell if these guys are truly
high on their own supply or if it is a
marketing thing. And does yeah, I know Mike has been
rumored to have, you know, financial struggles, but does he
(07:24):
really need did he miss a card payment? Like does
does he really need this.
Speaker 3 (07:28):
No, I think he's good.
Speaker 4 (07:30):
Now. I know in the past there's always issues with
taxes and whatnot, so he's always doing stuff. But with
that being said, it's one of those situations to where
if there's an opportunity to make a large of the
money for one night, these guys are gonna do it.
Floyd Mayweather has you know, to my knowledge, has a
lot of money and he doesn't pass up these fights.
So I get it, Like I understand. And when you're Mike,
(07:52):
I think Mike is with fifty eight I who're not
mistaken or something like that. So yeah, so the opportunities
to make eight figures in night are not always there,
So I get it. But we also we understand this
is a cash grab. This is not a boxing This
is a cash grab. This is a opportunity to make
a lot of money in the short amount of time.
(08:12):
That's all this is. Anyone else that tells you any different,
it's trying to fool you. With that being said, though,
I do caution those who want to fight Jake Paul
in the future for a certain cash graph because he
actually trains as a boxer. So if you're an NBA
player or an NFL player that thinks you have hands.
I suggest you get some formal training because Nate Robinson
(08:35):
got embarrassed a few years back and it was not kind.
So I do hope that if people do want to
fight Jake in the future for that bag, at least
come prepared well.
Speaker 2 (08:46):
With that said, I mean, what do you think Mike's
going to do in the ring? Is he going to
hold back or is he going to demolish this kid
like he absolutely could.
Speaker 4 (08:55):
I mean, the stamina at fifty eight, I don't know,
you know, the stamina. I don't think that the stamina
the I mean, there was two minute rounds? Is eight rounds?
Speaker 3 (09:06):
Correct? Correct?
Speaker 4 (09:07):
So they're not in a full three minutes? Yeah, but
still two minutes. I mean, I know we all know boxing,
so two minutes tune round is still a long time.
Even if Mike is working out multiple times a day.
I just don't see the stamina while hitting and being
you know, moving, I just don't see it. However, again,
what kind of fight is this? This is not gonna
(09:28):
be a traditional I'm trying to kill you fight. This
is a hey, I'll hit you, but I'm not hit
you as hard as I could when it's gonna be
one of those situations. So, to be honest with you,
I think will be okay. I wouldn't bet on him
to win because it's fifty eight years old. Like, that's
just something that I just don't see happening well.
Speaker 2 (09:47):
And I think they're gonna give it to Jake Paul
On mostly so that he can continue building his brand,
to be quite honest with you, in regardless of what
happens on the ring. But I don't know he I've
seen him fight before, I've seen I saw the Logan
Paul Mayweather fight only because Jesus and Marrow were doing
the commentary and I'm sorry that fight was trash and
also thes and Marrow weren't even that funny, so it
(10:08):
was a total waste of my time. But these guys
aren't good fighters.
Speaker 3 (10:12):
They're just not.
Speaker 2 (10:13):
So I think if Mike really wanted to put him,
put him in the dirt, he could age or no,
he can take a bunch and he's still strong as hell.
He's gotta be come up.
Speaker 3 (10:24):
Oh absolutely.
Speaker 4 (10:24):
And I think here's the thing with Mike, though he
does do it after be like in the first three rounds,
the longer the fight goes the worst it gets for him,
because when you get up there in age, the longer
things go, the less you're able to do things. So
I just don't see a situation where, hey, this fight
is going fifth to six, seven rounds and Mike's has
(10:45):
the same power energy. Sure, I don't see that. Now
he gives them the first two rounds, we have a
classic Tyson fight, you know scenario.
Speaker 2 (10:52):
Where he ninety seconds.
Speaker 4 (10:54):
Yeah, you messed around and got your your your uber
each your grub Hub and he fight's over. Uh So
I asked why I could see if it were to happen,
But I'm with you. I think it's kind of not
necessarily scripted, but it's kind of written for Jake Paul
to win.
Speaker 3 (11:10):
In a longer fight.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
I don't think this fight would happen if anybody really
believed that Mike would pull a classic Tyson and yeah,
fight stunk when you when you get up to take
a piss, honestly, But here's what here's what I'm saying.
I think he still could. I think he can still
pull off with this guy, with this dude. Could he
do that too?
Speaker 3 (11:30):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (11:30):
I don't know. Like a Keishan Davis no, you know, no, no, no.
But I think that's what kind of bothers me the most,
is they the guy. You know, he's a legend, he's
also old as hell, but if you see his training videos,
he's also terrified. That man is terrified.
Speaker 3 (11:48):
Yeah, and I think I.
Speaker 2 (11:49):
Think he could put down somebody easily that doesn't doesn't
have the skills of a actual traditional experienced boxer who
worked his way up. And what bums me out is
that he's not going to do that. Mike isn't going
to do that for this, for this showcase. So it's like,
what what are we even doing here? But again, you
and I both agree we're kind of not a fan
(12:10):
of these things anyway, so we wouldn't watch. I guess
maybe I'm trying to talk to the audience out there
and say, guys, you don't have to watch this. There
are better fights to watch.
Speaker 4 (12:19):
Yeah, Like, it's one of those situations where, to be
honest with you, you got to watch it for entertainment purposes,
not for boxing purposes. This is not a boxing match.
Just is entertainment. This is an exhibition. So it's not
like you're not you're not fighting for a belt, you're
not fighting for pouf pound like. This is literally a
(12:41):
spark match. So that's kind of what it is in
my opinion, and as long as you take it for
the context that it's in, you should be okay.
Speaker 2 (12:50):
I don't think they're that fun honestly either.
Speaker 3 (12:52):
So the trash, no, I'm with you, they are.
Speaker 2 (12:55):
Here's here's here's another point. Every time you know, these
guys have their defender, the Paul Brothers, they have their defenders,
and people on line say, well, you know, yeah, you know,
they're actually good fighters. They can put guys down, they're strong,
et cetera, et cetera. Why would you as a fan,
why would you glaze these guys? There's so many other
fighters who have been putting it, have been fighting since
(13:17):
they were teenagers, you know, have been to the Olympics,
they're pro now when they're twenty one, twenty two kids
who work their way up. These guys again, they bought
their way in. They use their fame, which again not
hating on that, right, but there are so many other
fighters that you can be a fan of follow And
is it is it just the desire or need for
(13:39):
more white boxers in the sport.
Speaker 3 (13:40):
Let's be honest man, it's always that.
Speaker 4 (13:42):
I mean, whenever that's an opportunity, they're going to make
sure that's possibility or where you know, it's also if
it makes money.
Speaker 3 (13:49):
So if something makes money, we're all it.
Speaker 4 (13:52):
If it can provide, if it can provide amount of
monetary value that wasn't there before, they're going to take
full of van in it. And when you think about boxing,
not a lot of great American white boxers out there.
We got great American UFC fighters, but we don't have
a lot of great white American boxers currently in this country.
(14:14):
So Jake Paul sells out NBA arenas doing exhibitions. There's
interest there. Also, whenever you're making money, people are going
to tag onto that. Whenever there's a situation to make
money in a lot of different way shapes or forms,
people are going to join that party. And that's just
how it goes. And once you do that, you get
more sponsors, your brands get more visibility, and that's just
(14:37):
how it goes. So it's more in a situation where hey,
we're doing this, but it's helping out for the brands
rather than it's helping out boxing.
Speaker 3 (14:46):
That's all it is.
Speaker 2 (14:48):
Well, and I think that I think there's a big
issue in our country with you know, just being super
fans of people because they have money and thinks that
makes the better people. But that's that's a whole other conversation.
But with that said, you know, they're going to check
the older fans. They're going to keep bringing, you know,
(15:08):
names that people used to know back in the day
and try to keep making these exhibitions. One thing, I'll
maybe maybe this is me giving them a little bit
of credit. In episode one, you said that the business
side of boxing is taking over. It's people are more
interested in that, and then also said that not a
lot of fighters, some fighters aren't fighting very often, so
(15:29):
it's hard to for a fan, for somebody that's new
to the sport to latch onto somebody and develop a
favorite fighter. So I think these guys are sort of
taking advantage in a good way of that power vacuum.
I guess you'd call it a professional boxing. So it's
not all on them, No it's not.
Speaker 3 (15:48):
But here's the thing. So let's say you introduced someone
to Tank Davis.
Speaker 4 (15:51):
A year ago, right, You like how he fights, you know,
we see how he finishes people back twenty thirty years ago.
He fights at least twice a year, sometimes three times
a year, fighting once a year. Basically, that's not cool,
like the reason why boxing is nowhere near where it
should be in this country. Our main guys outside of
(16:13):
Canelo don't fight that often.
Speaker 3 (16:15):
They just don't.
Speaker 4 (16:16):
Now that being said, the boxers are getting paid more
than ever before. They're getting taken care of better than
ever before, which is a good thing. I cannot argue
that that's a very good thing. But there has to
be some sort of common mix where the fighting volume
with the compensation both bound out. If we can somehow
(16:37):
get that, then we'll be really in good motion. But
until then we're kind of stuck because what's happening is
guys are fighting, winning a decision, cashing out, chilling, waiting
for an opponent, opponent gets hurt, they fight a scrub
that no one cares about. A fight happens, no one
cares about another boring decision. Next you know, it's been
(16:59):
nineteen months and there's no real fights, and they're like,
what are we doing here?
Speaker 3 (17:04):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (17:05):
I agree with that, and I maybe should fighters get
paid less. I mean, I don't want that to happen.
But is that.
Speaker 4 (17:14):
I think there should be more incentive to fight more so,
whether it's a tournament setting, whether there's some sort of
comp whatever it is, there should be an incentive to
fight more. Here's another guy, Shaker Stevenson. He's a very
talented boxer who has some issues with offense and being aggressive.
Right he should be fighting a whole lot more. He
(17:34):
shouldn't be a guy that's absent and chilling for his
skill set, for what he does, he should be more active.
He is not active, and it's very odd to me
that he's just chilling right now.
Speaker 2 (17:46):
It really is people turn down him for opponents for
him down though he's calling people out and they say
no because he is a very good boxer.
Speaker 4 (17:54):
He's a very good boxer. The issue is, though there's
fights he can still make the stay active. I think
the best the thing we miss now more than ever before,
is there's no more fights to stay active. Guys are
just fighting the main fights and that's it. There's no
more in between or tune up fights. Those are gone.
Those are long And I get it, because hey, you
(18:15):
can get caught and ruin the big fight. I understand it,
but there has to be certain levels of both looking
out for the business part, looking out for the sport part,
because you're losing a lot of people. And it's honestly,
how many big fights have we had in the last
two years, Like big, big fights where it's like, hey,
you got to order this on pay per view, or
(18:37):
hey we have in a fight party. How many big
fights have we had in the last two years?
Speaker 2 (18:42):
Better be of bevil a couple of weeks ago was
pretty popular. That was popping, But that's before that. I mean,
I guess if you're you sick, well, I'll speak more
based on my experience here in Tucson, people came out
for Ryan Garcia and Tac Davis, the little club downtown.
People were very excited about that. It was always yeah
(19:03):
but uh yeah, no, you're right, I mean, it is
kind of it is kind of a dead zone these days.
I think the problem is fighters aren't fighting up, but
also I think not enough people are getting into the sport.
And that's something that I've been trying to do, trying
to convince people to say, hey, this is actually really cool,
fun sport. Don't waste your time watching something so incredibly
boring like baseball, which I don't even think is the sport.
(19:24):
I'm sorry, baseball fans. You take a light jog around
the diamonds sometimes and that's the only athletic ability you need.
So sorry if you're a if you're a baseball fan, jameson,
but no, I've never.
Speaker 4 (19:35):
Been more working. Definitely, it's definitely going to run around bases.
But I it's a tough watch if you're watching them home,
I can understand.
Speaker 2 (19:42):
That they let do to watch, they let to walk.
They sometimes they're just like take a walk back, guy
and like mosey on down to first base. I can't,
I can't.
Speaker 3 (19:51):
I'm so balls to play.
Speaker 4 (19:52):
You gotta move when you when you field them the ball,
it's you gotta you gotta know what you're doing.
Speaker 3 (19:56):
But uh, you know, but I got you, I got you.
But now the problem.
Speaker 4 (20:00):
But that's the thing though, so trying to get fans
into boxing and keeping their interests, you need more fights.
Like the one thing I will give the UFC credit
for is there's tons of fights. Often they stay with fights,
they stay with fight. People want to see the problem
with boxing is and again as part of the Mayweather thing,
where yes he did make a lot of money, he
(20:22):
taught a lot of these guys come up under him
to make money as well. However, we don't have the
amount of fights that we've wrope with. We grew up
with fights on fighting nights. We grew up on fights,
damn it. Or once a month. Hbo had a fight. Yes,
Pen had a fight at the pay per view. It
was just a lot more active than ever before.
Speaker 2 (20:42):
Well, and I think too another thing that there's a
difference between UFC and boxing in terms of the technicality.
I mean UFC short and sweet boom boom, boom bang
you're out boxing. It does take a couple of rounds
for the fighters to kind of feel each other out
time it out. I was watching with the buddy of mine,
shout out rip my buddy David Black, who saw Tech
Davis versus Ryan Garcia with me, and he came out
(21:05):
and first couple of rounds, you know, kind of guys
throwing jabs, And my buddy said, oh right, I forgot
how nothing happens in boxing for the first couple of rounds,
And I said, shut up, David, But but you know, honestly, yeah,
it does. It does take a while to get going.
And if you don't really like the technical aspect of it,
and you just want to see dudes get knocked out.
You might be as bored as I am watching baseball.
(21:26):
I don't see how, but but I, like I said,
I'm trying to kind of tell people, friends and everything,
you know, look at the skill that's involved, look at
the ring.
Speaker 3 (21:34):
IQ.
Speaker 2 (21:35):
The good thing about boxing too, is that that stuff
gets analyzed after the fact. You watch the highlights and
you see the way people move, follow the jabs and
then catch somebody in between. I think it's beautiful. I
think it's just it's a beautiful thing to watch. I
don't call it the sweet Science for nothing. But you know,
it's hard to get people, you know, interested, if they
really just want to see, you know, dudes getting grounded
(21:57):
and pounded in UFC.
Speaker 4 (21:58):
No, it's not necessar the fighting style. It's just more
of the amount of fights that happen, Like there's so
many more UFC fights. True's fair on a weekly basis,
monthly basis, yearly basis than boxing. And the thing about boxing,
if a guy isn't hurt and if he's in shape,
he should be able to fight every three to four months.
Speaker 2 (22:17):
That is true. I mean, we talk about how we
know it's really really hard to do. It's very hard sport.
It takes a lot of recovery time, but does it
do you really need a year? I mean, as I
said that unless you're hurt, if you're genuinely hurt, sure
that's what it is. But a lot of these guys
ain't hurt. A lot of these guys made a lot of.
Speaker 4 (22:34):
Good money and are like, well, shit, why do I
need to fight someone else when I'm I'm good, my
family's good. I came from the bottom, so I don't
necessarily need a whole lot to really feel comfortable. So
that's a lot of that, Like you don't have to
fight back in the day you had to for different reasons.
Now it's like, okay, I'll fight when I want to.
(22:55):
And again, certain fighters should not have year plus layoffs
like Danny Guard's see Shani be fighting you know once
every two years. That should never happen, just shouldn't light
And those are the things that we have issues with.
Is a lot of the main guys or guys that
a common person may know or heard of, is not
fighting that often.
Speaker 2 (23:16):
If you're listen, we're we're illustrious sports commentators. Listen to us,
young fighters. You have to be like a band. Doesn't
matter how talent you are, if you're a brand new
band that nobody knows. You got to keep playing dive bars.
You got to keep opening up for you know, shitty
local festivals. Build a name for yourself. Guys, get out there,
keep fighting, and you you can't. We can't forget who
(23:38):
you are. There's so many fighters out there. We will
forget who you are if you just kind of pop
in and out and you know, have a good showcase. Sorry, sorry,
have a good have a good fight, and then just
kind of dip because you can afford, you know, to
live off it. For it's you got to do it
for the love of the sport. I compare it like this.
Speaker 4 (23:54):
So when musicians come up, especially like rappers and singers,
they have mixtapes, they flood the market with tapes. Young boxers,
guys that are trying to make it, they need to
be fighting, you know, every three months, like you know what.
Perfect example we talked about Mike Tyson earlier. Early Mike
Tyson was damn near fighting once a month back in
the eighties, back in the mid early in the mid eighties,
(24:15):
he was fighting damn near once a month, once every
two months. That's how it was supposed to be done.
When you're coming up, you're building a brand. If we
had a boxer fighting three or four times in a year,
more people wouldn't know about them because like, oh he's
fighting again. Oh he's fighting. See people out here like that.
That crates buzz, that creates intrigue, that creates a crossover
fan that says, Hey, my person, my guy at work,
(24:38):
or my person in the chat they said that he's
really good. I'm gona take him out. That's how the
word spreads, not just hey, there's a big fight tonight.
It costs one hundred dollars one hundred and nine with
HD you want to come over. Don't work that way.
You gotta build it organically, and I think boxing has
lost that over the last ten to twenty years.
Speaker 2 (24:56):
That's where people come down to me for being a
Canelo glazer. But the man fights twice a year, and
you know when he's gonna do it unless something goes
wrong with the negotiations. It's May or September. It's May
and September. Sorry, so always can you can round up
your people and say, well, guess what we're doing in
a couple of weeks. The Cane will fight in September.
It's coming up.
Speaker 4 (25:14):
So it's even though he may not fight the fight,
people want to see the boxers. They want to see
him fight. He's at least active, and you gotta respect that,
especially as a draw and one of the powerful pound
you know guys on the list, you gotta respect that
he's always active, he's always ready and willing. We'll see
(25:34):
what his next steps are. But again, I do appreciate
that he's active. A lot of these guys just not
active enough. And that's why we don't hear about boxing
unless something that happens, Like in the other sports world,
we all hear about boxing when it's Canelo Tank, maybe
a Terrence Crawford maybe too, Yeah, and Ryan Garcia doing
something crazy like that's kind of how it goes. Other
(25:57):
than that, we don't really hear about boxing.
Speaker 3 (25:59):
We just don't.
Speaker 4 (26:01):
Like we every now and then you get a Tyson
Fury thing because he might do something weird or yo.
But other than that, there's just nothing out there. So
we need to get back to the roots, which means
organically building our guys organically, building, organically, marketing, getting the
word of mouth. That's how everything starts until we get
back to that, especially with social media involved. I don't
(26:23):
like what I see right now.
Speaker 2 (26:25):
That's fair, and the social media as a whole of
the conversation we can have a discussion on in its
own episode. But I think one thing that can help
maybe people get into boxing and become fans is watching
more of it in pop culture. And I'd like to
switch tracks and talk about a TV show that came
out a few weeks ago that I have to recommend.
It's called La Machina Spanish for The Machine. It's a
(26:48):
Mexican show. It's about an aging boxer played by Guy
le Garcia Bernaldo. His less than scrupulous manager is Diego Luna.
The guys from Io Mama Tamien. If that means anything,
they all so. It's a Hulu original. This show is
so damn good. It is about, like I said, in
aging boxer trying to make a comeback. It brings in
(27:09):
the corruption of the boxing world, goes to some very
dark places, but it's also really funny, especially Diego Luna's character.
It is Spanish and it is subtitled, but it's totally
worth your time if that doesn't bother the shit out
of you. But the show, it it goes places you
wouldn't expect. It's like a mystery thriller by the end
of that first episode, and you don't have to know
(27:31):
anything about boxing to enjoy it. But I got to
recommend it if you have Hulu, and if you have Hulu,
you probably have the ESPN Plus bundle, so you can
watch the show, watch a boxing match. And I just
want to get people a little bit more interested in
the sport, you know. I think people that have heard
about it, maybe like you said, they've heard about Ryan
(27:53):
Barcia doing something crazy, or they know some names, or
they grew up with it and fell off. I did
because it's kind of hard. For a long time, it
was kind of hard to watch boxing. Let's be real,
you know, pay per view was super expensive. I was
in my twenties and broke as hell. We didn't have
things like ESPN Plus, we didn't have streaming, we didn't
(28:13):
have YouTube, so I actually was out of the game,
didn't know anything about it for how to know decade
or more so, now it's so easy to learn more
about it, watch some matches, watch some pop culture, some
movies and TV show and so I gotta recommend Lamachy
that for you as well. James, do you do you
like things with subtitles as that bother you?
Speaker 3 (28:33):
Oh my, I can back it work. I mean it's
it's you know laws, the show is good. I'll make
it work.
Speaker 2 (28:37):
It's really good. Yeah, it's a and the guys, the
actors show about it's all Mexicans, so me growing up
as Mexican American. The language of the words they use
it was hitten, it was hidden just right. I love
it's it's a lot of fun. And uh, it's a
it's a strong recommend.
Speaker 4 (28:53):
Okay, okay, su Yeah, and I'll definitely check it out.
Definitely check it out. But no, like I said earlier,
I mean, I know a lot of y'all got flicks.
Some of y'all still share passwords and whatnot.
Speaker 3 (29:02):
It is what it is.
Speaker 4 (29:04):
If I'm not going to judge anybody. It takes a
look at Tyson and Paul fighting.
Speaker 3 (29:07):
It is what it is.
Speaker 4 (29:08):
Like I said, I might, I mean I got Netflix.
I might check it out, but it's just no, it
ain't gonna be no party or no, you know, nothing
like that. It's just like, okay, this is going on.
That's it, so we'll see what it's like. But again,
I'm not a big fan of exhibitions. I don't think
they should be called boxing. I think it should be
exhibition and that's it.
Speaker 2 (29:27):
Exhibition fight, that's what you should call it. Oh and
if you don't have Hulu and want to watch Lomakina
and you want to pirate it, it's always okay to
steal money from Disney.
Speaker 3 (29:35):
So I mean that's I mean, it is what it is.
Speaker 4 (29:38):
I mean we got we in the land of fire
Sticks and all these streaming companies and whatnot.
Speaker 2 (29:44):
So I mean, like, well, like you said, you know,
grow up watching boxing on legal cable boxes the block.
It's it's still out there today.
Speaker 3 (29:51):
Guys.
Speaker 2 (29:52):
If how about this, If anyone needs some help on
figuring that, out reach out to me DM me. I
got you allegedly of course.
Speaker 3 (29:58):
Yeah, f because yeah, I ain't doing I ain't doing that.
But but yeah, with that being.
Speaker 4 (30:06):
Said, is one of those situations to where hey, it
is what it is. I remember watching Holyfield Michael Moore
awesome of the legal cable back in the day. So
you know the games game. This is how it goes, So.
Speaker 2 (30:19):
All right, before we go, we had a really good
response to episode one, and uh, I asked everybody on
Instagram if they wanted to send in questions, stories, or
anything like that. We got a bunch of responses, so
we have time for one. So for intervill out there
who sent me questions, thank you so much. Really appreciate it.
We're gonna go down one by one and we're not
gonna go uh, We're not gonna read a bunch in
(30:41):
one episode. We're gonna save them and then you know,
uh go little by little. But I've got one here
for for you, Jamison. This one is from Samuel S.
Thank you Samuel S for writing in. He wants to know,
he said, he's not a big boxing fan, but he's
always wanted to know. Can you be opponents in the
ring and also friends out there side the ring? Which
(31:01):
I think is a conversation we should have even for
boxing fans.
Speaker 3 (31:04):
Yes, but how do you feel about that? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (31:06):
You can. Like Sean Porter is one of the nicest
guys I think in the industry, and he was cool
with Terrence Crawford.
Speaker 3 (31:12):
He was cool with.
Speaker 4 (31:14):
Several guys Bruner like, you know, so you can be
friends at the same time. If there's money to be made,
there's many to be made. I mean, Floyd AND's that
Judah were really close once upon time. Obviously that fight
went how it went. Shane Moseley and Oscar were good
friends once upon time. They're both have gone way different
ways since I don't know what's going on earth, but
(31:35):
has of right, you know, but back in the day
they were cool. They're both in business together once upon time.
So yeah, it's one of those things to where I
think it's a situation to where you can be but
I think both parties know when that bell rings, it
is what it is.
Speaker 2 (31:52):
Well, and I'm not gonna deny that some boxes genuinely
hate each other. But guys, you got to you got
to understand this. All the fans when they're tough and
shit in the press conference. On social media, they're saying,
I'm gonna tear this guy apart, I'm gonna rip his
head offposite. It's for show. It's bullshit. They're they're playing
out the match.
Speaker 3 (32:10):
You know that.
Speaker 2 (32:11):
I saw some guy on social media a while back,
might have been Twitter, who said I don't even remember
the fighters. But he said, oh, if these two guys
hug at the end of the match, I'm gonna be
so pissed because they've been so you know, so vicious
towards each other. And of course, like I said, I
don't even remember what the match is, but of course
they hug at the end of the of the fight
when the last bell rang, because it is it's it's
a it's a sport about respect. You gotta respect the
(32:33):
guy in front of you. But like I said, you know,
some people do do genuinely hate each other. But I
want to say that's like five percent. You know, doesn't
matter how vicious they are. At the end of the day,
when you're going twelve rounds against another dude, you at
the end of it, you're gonna say, I respect you
for being in this ring with me, and I respect
the fights that you put in. And again, that's the
(32:55):
thing that I think is beautiful about box.
Speaker 4 (32:57):
At the end of the day, the people want to
go home to a fan absolutely all the goals to
go home and somewhere one piece and go home your family.
Speaker 3 (33:06):
On both ends, that's the overall goal, and that's just
how it goes.
Speaker 4 (33:10):
I don't think there's that much hatred involved or any
you know, conflict thing like that. It's just, yeah, it's
it's competitive because both trying to win and we're you know,
both trying to advance our careers. However, there's still loving
at the end of the day. So there's not gonna
be you know, it's not going to be anything crazy.
It's just just another fight at the end of the day.
Speaker 2 (33:30):
Nobody's gonna be put a bomb in somebody's car.
Speaker 3 (33:34):
I remember, it's business now, that's business. It's business, always business.
Speaker 4 (33:38):
And when you're making seven eight figures in a fight,
that's good business both ways.
Speaker 3 (33:44):
That's fair.
Speaker 2 (33:45):
So, like we said before, we don't want to keep
this too long. So I think that's about where we
can wrap it up. Jamison, where can people find you
on social media?
Speaker 4 (33:52):
At Twitter, at the Jamison, on Instagram, at the Jamison
in Vegas. So during fight weekends and whatnot, be around.
But it's always a pleasure. I love doing these and
talking boxing and business and hold on, we many.
Speaker 2 (34:08):
And we're going to talk about what the vibe is
in Vegas during fight nights, but that's for another time. Yeah,
So I'm not on Twitter. I got banned for going
on there well drunk and telling you nextand by what
I said. But the show has a Twitter account. It's
at Mixed co podcast on Twitter, so please follow us
there if you want to follow me, I'm the Classy
Alcoholic on Instagram and Blue Sky and we do have
(34:31):
now a show email address, so if you have more questions,
you have any fun stories about watching boxing, you want
to send me hate mail because you're a baseball fan,
it's letters at mixedcopodcast dot com. That's letters at mixedcopodcast
dot com. Please reach out to us, subscribe to the show.
Rate us five stars on Spotify, on Apple podcast, rate
(34:53):
us five stars. Even if you hate the show, it
doesn't matter. You won't go to jail for lying to
Tim Apple and Joe Spotify. So thank you so much.
I want to thank you for being a listener and uh,
you know, Talud
Speaker 4 (35:11):
Mhm
In this corner standing it six foot five, weight class
unknown hailing from Sin City, Las Vegas, Jamison Welch and
in this corner standing it five foot nine, Wayne Town
with six wins.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
Three losses, two arrests, four late.
Speaker 3 (00:21):
Payments on student loans.
Speaker 1 (00:23):
And two total bankruptcies hits the classy I've a HOLI.
Speaker 3 (00:29):
Thanks, tuning in to another I'm total mixed company.
Speaker 4 (00:32):
I'm your fellows Jamison Vels, joined by the classy alcoholic
what's up?
Speaker 2 (00:38):
It's you boy, the classic alcoholic Arizona booth blogger, heavy
drinking enthusiast, hangover connoisseur, and now illustrious sports commentator.
Speaker 4 (00:46):
Yes, Yes, and we're back. Had a good debut. So
it's toward the end of the year. Now, very rarely
get a whole lot of box end of the year
boxing's more of a first three quarter of the year sport.
Every now and then you get some good ones up
and the U but most likely it's January through about
October where you get all your stuff.
Speaker 3 (01:04):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (01:05):
But now we're here back, You're gonna go over a
couple of things. But we have this, you know, this
Tyson fight coming up, and you know I'm old we'll
kind of old. But I'm thirty eight. So when a tyson,
my heirs tyson fight, it's a little different. It brings
back a lot of memories. It brings back the nineties,
big back TVs, illegal, cable, quick fights, fight parties, the
(01:28):
whole nine.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
This ain't that, but I think that's what they're going for.
Speaker 4 (01:34):
This is a situation where you know this is gonna
be a little bit different. It's technically an exhibition, but
it's not like, what are your thoughts about this, this
so called fight we got coming up?
Speaker 2 (01:45):
Well, first things first, that we're going to talk about this,
uh this fight, I'm gonna need a drink.
Speaker 3 (01:49):
Yeah, do what you do? What what are you drinking?
Speaker 1 (01:51):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (01:52):
As still with my goal to get Canelo to sponsor us.
This is the VMC tequila cocktail. It's a Paloma. So
okayll OVMC call us. I don't care if I come
off like a thirsty bitch. Literally, please sponsor us.
Speaker 4 (02:07):
Understood, understood? Not I'd be cool always cane turnhow sponsors
on a handful? I would do, but I would would
not turn down manythings.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
So, so yeah, about this fight. Uh so we're talking
about Tyson fighting Uh. YouTuber Jake Paul. He and his
brother Logan Paul, started off his YouTube stars, you know,
buying celebrities, got into boxing a few years ago. And
you know, they're They're very popular, they have a big
fan base, they make a lot of money. They had
(02:37):
a lot of money. They make a lot of money.
And we recently saw Logan Paul fight Floyd Mayweather in
twenty twenty one. Uh, And this is kind of in
the same vein get somebody a fan favorite cashing on
the nostalgia. I gotta be honest, man, I don't don't
like those dudes. I think they're I don't like their personas.
I think they're smug. I am just I'm not a fan.
Speaker 3 (02:58):
You know.
Speaker 2 (02:58):
I don't care that they made their money on YouTube.
You know, a lot of grampys will say like, oh,
these kids, they're TikTok celebrities and YouTube celebrities, that none
of that matters. I just don't think they're very likable.
And I'll just say when it comes to them as boxers,
I think they bought their way in. They had their fame.
They didn't work their way up to become boxers, and
(03:20):
they I think they're hacks. I think as boxers, they're hacks.
I'm sorry, I'm I'm not going to be total you know,
throwing hate left and right. I do have a lot
of more to say about this, but I'm not a
fan of these exhibition fights that these guys put on,
and I just I just don't think it's I just
don't think it benefits the sport.
Speaker 3 (03:39):
I'll say that, so I'm with you.
Speaker 4 (03:42):
I think it's more of a situation where it's more
for like marketing and branding more than anything is not
actual boxing. I think it's like in kind of exposing
exploring things. Let's just say, you're exploiting, you know, old
MMA guys, exploring old guys that really aren't the top
like path No more so to me.
Speaker 3 (04:01):
It's not like I have a rule like I don't
pay for any of these kind of exhibitions.
Speaker 4 (04:06):
If I see the highlights somewhere, if I see an
illegal link somewhere or.
Speaker 2 (04:10):
Whatever, allegedly allegedly speaking.
Speaker 4 (04:14):
Yeah, you know, if someone got a fire stick and
the stream is good, I might, you know, I might
rock with it. I might do some stuff with it.
But other than that, I'm not interested in these Like
I get the masses, and you know, we're boxing people,
So this is not for us.
Speaker 3 (04:27):
This is for the casual person that.
Speaker 4 (04:30):
Will tune in because they're familiar with the YouTuber and
they're familiar with Mike Tyson. This is not for boxing
purists unfortunately.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
But isn't isn't that going to be a draw for
boxing fans? I mean again, you just talked about the
Tyson days that are that they try to draw in
the old fans, same thing with the Mayweather fans. Yes,
they're gonna get their YouTube what do you ca YouTube
fandom following them? But how many more guys like us
that are a little less against this type of thing
(05:00):
gonna tune in and pay for this because they want
to see Mike back in the ring. You know, I
think they're gonna get a big, a big hole. Oh no,
I mean it's on Netflix right, Yes, it is November fifteenth, so.
Speaker 3 (05:14):
You already know what it is.
Speaker 4 (05:16):
It's not a situation where that that bags are being guaranteed.
They already know what's going on when it's on. When
Netflix goes into something, they don't take losses. Netflix don't
go into a situation where, oh, we're gonna take an
l on this. Nah, they know what this is, So
I'll just put it this way. They're both gonna make
a lot of money. I hope no one has any
(05:39):
financial struggles. You know, Mike has always been rumored to
have financial issues one we or another. But that being said,
it's gonna be a good day for both of them
and for all the sponsors that everybody involved.
Speaker 2 (05:49):
So it is what it is well, And the conversation
that keeps coming up, the cliche conversation that I see
online is when these two dudes come up, somebody on
Instagram will say are they good for the sport or bad?
And there's always only two responses. One is no, they're
not good for the sport because they're not real boxers.
The other one is they're good because they bring a
lot of new people into the sport. But I just
(06:11):
want to not have that cliched conversation. I think, like
I said, if these guys said, we're gonna put on
a fun showcase boxing fans who you know, miss Mike,
who miss Floyd want to see him in the ring,
You're gonna have a good time. You're gonna tune in.
It'll be a lot of fun, I would respect a
little bit more. But they think they're the shit. You know,
(06:32):
even Jesus, I keep getting them mixed up back and forth.
But it's Jake Paul. I'm sorry. He had an interview
where he was saying like, when I hang up my gloves,
I'm gonna be one of the greatest of all time.
I'm gonna be the face of boxing, blah blah blah, which, yeah,
a lot of boxers are very braggadocious. But he's just smug.
(06:52):
I mean, he's been fighting for only a handful of
years and again fought former m guys. He fought an
NBA player that.
Speaker 3 (06:59):
I remember remember to seeing people talking about online.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
So if they just said we're gonna have a good time,
We're gonna you know, Mike's gonna get paid. We're gonna
get paid, come on down and check this out, I'd
be cool with it. I'd be like, Okay, But I
don't I really can't tell if these guys are truly
high on their own supply or if it is a
marketing thing. And does yeah, I know Mike has been
rumored to have, you know, financial struggles, but does he
(07:24):
really need did he miss a card payment? Like does
does he really need this.
Speaker 3 (07:28):
No, I think he's good.
Speaker 4 (07:30):
Now. I know in the past there's always issues with
taxes and whatnot, so he's always doing stuff. But with
that being said, it's one of those situations to where
if there's an opportunity to make a large of the
money for one night, these guys are gonna do it.
Floyd Mayweather has you know, to my knowledge, has a
lot of money and he doesn't pass up these fights.
So I get it, Like I understand. And when you're Mike,
(07:52):
I think Mike is with fifty eight I who're not
mistaken or something like that. So yeah, so the opportunities
to make eight figures in night are not always there,
So I get it. But we also we understand this
is a cash grab. This is not a boxing This
is a cash grab. This is a opportunity to make
a lot of money in the short amount of time.
(08:12):
That's all this is. Anyone else that tells you any different,
it's trying to fool you. With that being said, though,
I do caution those who want to fight Jake Paul
in the future for a certain cash graph because he
actually trains as a boxer. So if you're an NBA
player or an NFL player that thinks you have hands.
I suggest you get some formal training because Nate Robinson
(08:35):
got embarrassed a few years back and it was not kind.
So I do hope that if people do want to
fight Jake in the future for that bag, at least
come prepared well.
Speaker 2 (08:46):
With that said, I mean, what do you think Mike's
going to do in the ring? Is he going to
hold back or is he going to demolish this kid
like he absolutely could.
Speaker 4 (08:55):
I mean, the stamina at fifty eight, I don't know,
you know, the stamina. I don't think that the stamina
the I mean, there was two minute rounds? Is eight rounds?
Speaker 3 (09:06):
Correct? Correct?
Speaker 4 (09:07):
So they're not in a full three minutes? Yeah, but
still two minutes. I mean, I know we all know boxing,
so two minutes tune round is still a long time.
Even if Mike is working out multiple times a day.
I just don't see the stamina while hitting and being
you know, moving, I just don't see it. However, again,
what kind of fight is this? This is not gonna
(09:28):
be a traditional I'm trying to kill you fight. This
is a hey, I'll hit you, but I'm not hit
you as hard as I could when it's gonna be
one of those situations. So, to be honest with you,
I think will be okay. I wouldn't bet on him
to win because it's fifty eight years old. Like, that's
just something that I just don't see happening well.
Speaker 2 (09:47):
And I think they're gonna give it to Jake Paul
On mostly so that he can continue building his brand,
to be quite honest with you, in regardless of what
happens on the ring. But I don't know he I've
seen him fight before, I've seen I saw the Logan
Paul Mayweather fight only because Jesus and Marrow were doing
the commentary and I'm sorry that fight was trash and
also thes and Marrow weren't even that funny, so it
(10:08):
was a total waste of my time. But these guys
aren't good fighters.
Speaker 3 (10:12):
They're just not.
Speaker 2 (10:13):
So I think if Mike really wanted to put him,
put him in the dirt, he could age or no,
he can take a bunch and he's still strong as hell.
He's gotta be come up.
Speaker 3 (10:24):
Oh absolutely.
Speaker 4 (10:24):
And I think here's the thing with Mike, though he
does do it after be like in the first three rounds,
the longer the fight goes the worst it gets for him,
because when you get up there in age, the longer
things go, the less you're able to do things. So
I just don't see a situation where, hey, this fight
is going fifth to six, seven rounds and Mike's has
(10:45):
the same power energy. Sure, I don't see that. Now
he gives them the first two rounds, we have a
classic Tyson fight, you know scenario.
Speaker 2 (10:52):
Where he ninety seconds.
Speaker 4 (10:54):
Yeah, you messed around and got your your your uber
each your grub Hub and he fight's over. Uh So
I asked why I could see if it were to happen,
But I'm with you. I think it's kind of not
necessarily scripted, but it's kind of written for Jake Paul
to win.
Speaker 3 (11:10):
In a longer fight.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
I don't think this fight would happen if anybody really
believed that Mike would pull a classic Tyson and yeah,
fight stunk when you when you get up to take
a piss, honestly, But here's what here's what I'm saying.
I think he still could. I think he can still
pull off with this guy, with this dude. Could he
do that too?
Speaker 3 (11:30):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (11:30):
I don't know. Like a Keishan Davis no, you know, no, no, no.
But I think that's what kind of bothers me the most,
is they the guy. You know, he's a legend, he's
also old as hell, but if you see his training videos,
he's also terrified. That man is terrified.
Speaker 3 (11:48):
Yeah, and I think I.
Speaker 2 (11:49):
Think he could put down somebody easily that doesn't doesn't
have the skills of a actual traditional experienced boxer who
worked his way up. And what bums me out is
that he's not going to do that. Mike isn't going
to do that for this, for this showcase. So it's like,
what what are we even doing here? But again, you
and I both agree we're kind of not a fan
(12:10):
of these things anyway, so we wouldn't watch. I guess
maybe I'm trying to talk to the audience out there
and say, guys, you don't have to watch this. There
are better fights to watch.
Speaker 4 (12:19):
Yeah, Like, it's one of those situations where, to be
honest with you, you got to watch it for entertainment purposes,
not for boxing purposes. This is not a boxing match.
Just is entertainment. This is an exhibition. So it's not
like you're not you're not fighting for a belt, you're
not fighting for pouf pound like. This is literally a
(12:41):
spark match. So that's kind of what it is in
my opinion, and as long as you take it for
the context that it's in, you should be okay.
Speaker 2 (12:50):
I don't think they're that fun honestly either.
Speaker 3 (12:52):
So the trash, no, I'm with you, they are.
Speaker 2 (12:55):
Here's here's here's another point. Every time you know, these
guys have their defender, the Paul Brothers, they have their defenders,
and people on line say, well, you know, yeah, you know,
they're actually good fighters. They can put guys down, they're strong,
et cetera, et cetera. Why would you as a fan,
why would you glaze these guys? There's so many other
fighters who have been putting it, have been fighting since
(13:17):
they were teenagers, you know, have been to the Olympics,
they're pro now when they're twenty one, twenty two kids
who work their way up. These guys again, they bought
their way in. They use their fame, which again not
hating on that, right, but there are so many other
fighters that you can be a fan of follow And
is it is it just the desire or need for
(13:39):
more white boxers in the sport.
Speaker 3 (13:40):
Let's be honest man, it's always that.
Speaker 4 (13:42):
I mean, whenever that's an opportunity, they're going to make
sure that's possibility or where you know, it's also if
it makes money.
Speaker 3 (13:49):
So if something makes money, we're all it.
Speaker 4 (13:52):
If it can provide, if it can provide amount of
monetary value that wasn't there before, they're going to take
full of van in it. And when you think about boxing,
not a lot of great American white boxers out there.
We got great American UFC fighters, but we don't have
a lot of great white American boxers currently in this country.
(14:14):
So Jake Paul sells out NBA arenas doing exhibitions. There's
interest there. Also, whenever you're making money, people are going
to tag onto that. Whenever there's a situation to make
money in a lot of different way shapes or forms,
people are going to join that party. And that's just
how it goes. And once you do that, you get
more sponsors, your brands get more visibility, and that's just
(14:37):
how it goes. So it's more in a situation where hey,
we're doing this, but it's helping out for the brands
rather than it's helping out boxing.
Speaker 3 (14:46):
That's all it is.
Speaker 2 (14:48):
Well, and I think that I think there's a big
issue in our country with you know, just being super
fans of people because they have money and thinks that
makes the better people. But that's that's a whole other conversation.
But with that said, you know, they're going to check
the older fans. They're going to keep bringing, you know,
(15:08):
names that people used to know back in the day
and try to keep making these exhibitions. One thing, I'll
maybe maybe this is me giving them a little bit
of credit. In episode one, you said that the business
side of boxing is taking over. It's people are more
interested in that, and then also said that not a
lot of fighters, some fighters aren't fighting very often, so
(15:29):
it's hard to for a fan, for somebody that's new
to the sport to latch onto somebody and develop a
favorite fighter. So I think these guys are sort of
taking advantage in a good way of that power vacuum.
I guess you'd call it a professional boxing. So it's
not all on them, No it's not.
Speaker 3 (15:48):
But here's the thing. So let's say you introduced someone
to Tank Davis.
Speaker 4 (15:51):
A year ago, right, You like how he fights, you know,
we see how he finishes people back twenty thirty years ago.
He fights at least twice a year, sometimes three times
a year, fighting once a year. Basically, that's not cool,
like the reason why boxing is nowhere near where it
should be in this country. Our main guys outside of
(16:13):
Canelo don't fight that often.
Speaker 3 (16:15):
They just don't.
Speaker 4 (16:16):
Now that being said, the boxers are getting paid more
than ever before. They're getting taken care of better than
ever before, which is a good thing. I cannot argue
that that's a very good thing. But there has to
be some sort of common mix where the fighting volume
with the compensation both bound out. If we can somehow
(16:37):
get that, then we'll be really in good motion. But
until then we're kind of stuck because what's happening is
guys are fighting, winning a decision, cashing out, chilling, waiting
for an opponent, opponent gets hurt, they fight a scrub
that no one cares about. A fight happens, no one
cares about another boring decision. Next you know, it's been
(16:59):
nineteen months and there's no real fights, and they're like,
what are we doing here?
Speaker 3 (17:04):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (17:05):
I agree with that, and I maybe should fighters get
paid less. I mean, I don't want that to happen.
But is that.
Speaker 4 (17:14):
I think there should be more incentive to fight more so,
whether it's a tournament setting, whether there's some sort of
comp whatever it is, there should be an incentive to
fight more. Here's another guy, Shaker Stevenson. He's a very
talented boxer who has some issues with offense and being aggressive.
Right he should be fighting a whole lot more. He
(17:34):
shouldn't be a guy that's absent and chilling for his
skill set, for what he does, he should be more active.
He is not active, and it's very odd to me
that he's just chilling right now.
Speaker 2 (17:46):
It really is people turn down him for opponents for
him down though he's calling people out and they say
no because he is a very good boxer.
Speaker 4 (17:54):
He's a very good boxer. The issue is, though there's
fights he can still make the stay active. I think
the best the thing we miss now more than ever before,
is there's no more fights to stay active. Guys are
just fighting the main fights and that's it. There's no
more in between or tune up fights. Those are gone.
Those are long And I get it, because hey, you
(18:15):
can get caught and ruin the big fight. I understand it,
but there has to be certain levels of both looking
out for the business part, looking out for the sport part,
because you're losing a lot of people. And it's honestly,
how many big fights have we had in the last
two years, Like big, big fights where it's like, hey,
you got to order this on pay per view, or
(18:37):
hey we have in a fight party. How many big
fights have we had in the last two years?
Speaker 2 (18:42):
Better be of bevil a couple of weeks ago was
pretty popular. That was popping, But that's before that. I mean,
I guess if you're you sick, well, I'll speak more
based on my experience here in Tucson, people came out
for Ryan Garcia and Tac Davis, the little club downtown.
People were very excited about that. It was always yeah
(19:03):
but uh yeah, no, you're right, I mean, it is
kind of it is kind of a dead zone these days.
I think the problem is fighters aren't fighting up, but
also I think not enough people are getting into the sport.
And that's something that I've been trying to do, trying
to convince people to say, hey, this is actually really cool,
fun sport. Don't waste your time watching something so incredibly
boring like baseball, which I don't even think is the sport.
(19:24):
I'm sorry, baseball fans. You take a light jog around
the diamonds sometimes and that's the only athletic ability you need.
So sorry if you're a if you're a baseball fan, jameson,
but no, I've never.
Speaker 4 (19:35):
Been more working. Definitely, it's definitely going to run around bases.
But I it's a tough watch if you're watching them home,
I can understand.
Speaker 2 (19:42):
That they let do to watch, they let to walk.
They sometimes they're just like take a walk back, guy
and like mosey on down to first base. I can't,
I can't.
Speaker 3 (19:51):
I'm so balls to play.
Speaker 4 (19:52):
You gotta move when you when you field them the ball,
it's you gotta you gotta know what you're doing.
Speaker 3 (19:56):
But uh, you know, but I got you, I got you.
But now the problem.
Speaker 4 (20:00):
But that's the thing though, so trying to get fans
into boxing and keeping their interests, you need more fights.
Like the one thing I will give the UFC credit
for is there's tons of fights. Often they stay with fights,
they stay with fight. People want to see the problem
with boxing is and again as part of the Mayweather thing,
where yes he did make a lot of money, he
(20:22):
taught a lot of these guys come up under him
to make money as well. However, we don't have the
amount of fights that we've wrope with. We grew up
with fights on fighting nights. We grew up on fights,
damn it. Or once a month. Hbo had a fight. Yes,
Pen had a fight at the pay per view. It
was just a lot more active than ever before.
Speaker 2 (20:42):
Well, and I think too another thing that there's a
difference between UFC and boxing in terms of the technicality.
I mean UFC short and sweet boom boom, boom bang
you're out boxing. It does take a couple of rounds
for the fighters to kind of feel each other out
time it out. I was watching with the buddy of mine,
shout out rip my buddy David Black, who saw Tech
Davis versus Ryan Garcia with me, and he came out
(21:05):
and first couple of rounds, you know, kind of guys
throwing jabs, And my buddy said, oh right, I forgot
how nothing happens in boxing for the first couple of rounds,
And I said, shut up, David, But but you know, honestly, yeah,
it does. It does take a while to get going.
And if you don't really like the technical aspect of it,
and you just want to see dudes get knocked out.
You might be as bored as I am watching baseball.
(21:26):
I don't see how, but but I, like I said,
I'm trying to kind of tell people, friends and everything,
you know, look at the skill that's involved, look at
the ring.
Speaker 3 (21:34):
IQ.
Speaker 2 (21:35):
The good thing about boxing too, is that that stuff
gets analyzed after the fact. You watch the highlights and
you see the way people move, follow the jabs and
then catch somebody in between. I think it's beautiful. I
think it's just it's a beautiful thing to watch. I
don't call it the sweet Science for nothing. But you know,
it's hard to get people, you know, interested, if they
really just want to see, you know, dudes getting grounded
(21:57):
and pounded in UFC.
Speaker 4 (21:58):
No, it's not necessar the fighting style. It's just more
of the amount of fights that happen, Like there's so
many more UFC fights. True's fair on a weekly basis,
monthly basis, yearly basis than boxing. And the thing about boxing,
if a guy isn't hurt and if he's in shape,
he should be able to fight every three to four months.
Speaker 2 (22:17):
That is true. I mean, we talk about how we
know it's really really hard to do. It's very hard sport.
It takes a lot of recovery time, but does it
do you really need a year? I mean, as I
said that unless you're hurt, if you're genuinely hurt, sure
that's what it is. But a lot of these guys
ain't hurt. A lot of these guys made a lot of.
Speaker 4 (22:34):
Good money and are like, well, shit, why do I
need to fight someone else when I'm I'm good, my
family's good. I came from the bottom, so I don't
necessarily need a whole lot to really feel comfortable. So
that's a lot of that, Like you don't have to
fight back in the day you had to for different reasons.
Now it's like, okay, I'll fight when I want to.
(22:55):
And again, certain fighters should not have year plus layoffs
like Danny Guard's see Shani be fighting you know once
every two years. That should never happen, just shouldn't light
And those are the things that we have issues with.
Is a lot of the main guys or guys that
a common person may know or heard of, is not
fighting that often.
Speaker 2 (23:16):
If you're listen, we're we're illustrious sports commentators. Listen to us,
young fighters. You have to be like a band. Doesn't
matter how talent you are, if you're a brand new
band that nobody knows. You got to keep playing dive bars.
You got to keep opening up for you know, shitty
local festivals. Build a name for yourself. Guys, get out there,
keep fighting, and you you can't. We can't forget who
(23:38):
you are. There's so many fighters out there. We will
forget who you are if you just kind of pop
in and out and you know, have a good showcase. Sorry, sorry,
have a good have a good fight, and then just
kind of dip because you can afford, you know, to
live off it. For it's you got to do it
for the love of the sport. I compare it like this.
Speaker 4 (23:54):
So when musicians come up, especially like rappers and singers,
they have mixtapes, they flood the market with tapes. Young boxers,
guys that are trying to make it, they need to
be fighting, you know, every three months, like you know what.
Perfect example we talked about Mike Tyson earlier. Early Mike
Tyson was damn near fighting once a month back in
the eighties, back in the mid early in the mid eighties,
(24:15):
he was fighting damn near once a month, once every
two months. That's how it was supposed to be done.
When you're coming up, you're building a brand. If we
had a boxer fighting three or four times in a year,
more people wouldn't know about them because like, oh he's
fighting again. Oh he's fighting. See people out here like that.
That crates buzz, that creates intrigue, that creates a crossover
fan that says, Hey, my person, my guy at work,
(24:38):
or my person in the chat they said that he's
really good. I'm gona take him out. That's how the
word spreads, not just hey, there's a big fight tonight.
It costs one hundred dollars one hundred and nine with
HD you want to come over. Don't work that way.
You gotta build it organically, and I think boxing has
lost that over the last ten to twenty years.
Speaker 2 (24:56):
That's where people come down to me for being a
Canelo glazer. But the man fights twice a year, and
you know when he's gonna do it unless something goes
wrong with the negotiations. It's May or September. It's May
and September. Sorry, so always can you can round up
your people and say, well, guess what we're doing in
a couple of weeks. The Cane will fight in September.
It's coming up.
Speaker 4 (25:14):
So it's even though he may not fight the fight,
people want to see the boxers. They want to see
him fight. He's at least active, and you gotta respect that,
especially as a draw and one of the powerful pound
you know guys on the list, you gotta respect that
he's always active, he's always ready and willing. We'll see
(25:34):
what his next steps are. But again, I do appreciate
that he's active. A lot of these guys just not
active enough. And that's why we don't hear about boxing
unless something that happens, Like in the other sports world,
we all hear about boxing when it's Canelo Tank, maybe
a Terrence Crawford maybe too, Yeah, and Ryan Garcia doing
something crazy like that's kind of how it goes. Other
(25:57):
than that, we don't really hear about boxing.
Speaker 3 (25:59):
We just don't.
Speaker 4 (26:01):
Like we every now and then you get a Tyson
Fury thing because he might do something weird or yo.
But other than that, there's just nothing out there. So
we need to get back to the roots, which means
organically building our guys organically, building, organically, marketing, getting the
word of mouth. That's how everything starts until we get
back to that, especially with social media involved. I don't
(26:23):
like what I see right now.
Speaker 2 (26:25):
That's fair, and the social media as a whole of
the conversation we can have a discussion on in its
own episode. But I think one thing that can help
maybe people get into boxing and become fans is watching
more of it in pop culture. And I'd like to
switch tracks and talk about a TV show that came
out a few weeks ago that I have to recommend.
It's called La Machina Spanish for The Machine. It's a
(26:48):
Mexican show. It's about an aging boxer played by Guy
le Garcia Bernaldo. His less than scrupulous manager is Diego Luna.
The guys from Io Mama Tamien. If that means anything,
they all so. It's a Hulu original. This show is
so damn good. It is about, like I said, in
aging boxer trying to make a comeback. It brings in
(27:09):
the corruption of the boxing world, goes to some very
dark places, but it's also really funny, especially Diego Luna's character.
It is Spanish and it is subtitled, but it's totally
worth your time if that doesn't bother the shit out
of you. But the show, it it goes places you
wouldn't expect. It's like a mystery thriller by the end
of that first episode, and you don't have to know
(27:31):
anything about boxing to enjoy it. But I got to
recommend it if you have Hulu, and if you have Hulu,
you probably have the ESPN Plus bundle, so you can
watch the show, watch a boxing match. And I just
want to get people a little bit more interested in
the sport, you know. I think people that have heard
about it, maybe like you said, they've heard about Ryan
(27:53):
Barcia doing something crazy, or they know some names, or
they grew up with it and fell off. I did
because it's kind of hard. For a long time, it
was kind of hard to watch boxing. Let's be real,
you know, pay per view was super expensive. I was
in my twenties and broke as hell. We didn't have
things like ESPN Plus, we didn't have streaming, we didn't
(28:13):
have YouTube, so I actually was out of the game,
didn't know anything about it for how to know decade
or more so, now it's so easy to learn more
about it, watch some matches, watch some pop culture, some
movies and TV show and so I gotta recommend Lamachy
that for you as well. James, do you do you
like things with subtitles as that bother you?
Speaker 3 (28:33):
Oh my, I can back it work. I mean it's
it's you know laws, the show is good. I'll make
it work.
Speaker 2 (28:37):
It's really good. Yeah, it's a and the guys, the
actors show about it's all Mexicans, so me growing up
as Mexican American. The language of the words they use
it was hitten, it was hidden just right. I love
it's it's a lot of fun. And uh, it's a
it's a strong recommend.
Speaker 4 (28:53):
Okay, okay, su Yeah, and I'll definitely check it out.
Definitely check it out. But no, like I said earlier,
I mean, I know a lot of y'all got flicks.
Some of y'all still share passwords and whatnot.
Speaker 3 (29:02):
It is what it is.
Speaker 4 (29:04):
If I'm not going to judge anybody. It takes a
look at Tyson and Paul fighting.
Speaker 3 (29:07):
It is what it is.
Speaker 4 (29:08):
Like I said, I might, I mean I got Netflix.
I might check it out, but it's just no, it
ain't gonna be no party or no, you know, nothing
like that. It's just like, okay, this is going on.
That's it, so we'll see what it's like. But again,
I'm not a big fan of exhibitions. I don't think
they should be called boxing. I think it should be
exhibition and that's it.
Speaker 2 (29:27):
Exhibition fight, that's what you should call it. Oh and
if you don't have Hulu and want to watch Lomakina
and you want to pirate it, it's always okay to
steal money from Disney.
Speaker 3 (29:35):
So I mean that's I mean, it is what it is.
Speaker 4 (29:38):
I mean we got we in the land of fire
Sticks and all these streaming companies and whatnot.
Speaker 2 (29:44):
So I mean, like, well, like you said, you know,
grow up watching boxing on legal cable boxes the block.
It's it's still out there today.
Speaker 3 (29:51):
Guys.
Speaker 2 (29:52):
If how about this, If anyone needs some help on
figuring that, out reach out to me DM me. I
got you allegedly of course.
Speaker 3 (29:58):
Yeah, f because yeah, I ain't doing I ain't doing that.
But but yeah, with that being.
Speaker 4 (30:06):
Said, is one of those situations to where hey, it
is what it is. I remember watching Holyfield Michael Moore
awesome of the legal cable back in the day. So
you know the games game. This is how it goes, So.
Speaker 2 (30:19):
All right, before we go, we had a really good
response to episode one, and uh, I asked everybody on
Instagram if they wanted to send in questions, stories, or
anything like that. We got a bunch of responses, so
we have time for one. So for intervill out there
who sent me questions, thank you so much. Really appreciate it.
We're gonna go down one by one and we're not
gonna go uh, We're not gonna read a bunch in
(30:41):
one episode. We're gonna save them and then you know,
uh go little by little. But I've got one here
for for you, Jamison. This one is from Samuel S.
Thank you Samuel S for writing in. He wants to know,
he said, he's not a big boxing fan, but he's
always wanted to know. Can you be opponents in the
ring and also friends out there side the ring? Which
(31:01):
I think is a conversation we should have even for
boxing fans.
Speaker 3 (31:04):
Yes, but how do you feel about that? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (31:06):
You can. Like Sean Porter is one of the nicest
guys I think in the industry, and he was cool
with Terrence Crawford.
Speaker 3 (31:12):
He was cool with.
Speaker 4 (31:14):
Several guys Bruner like, you know, so you can be
friends at the same time. If there's money to be made,
there's many to be made. I mean, Floyd AND's that
Judah were really close once upon time. Obviously that fight
went how it went. Shane Moseley and Oscar were good
friends once upon time. They're both have gone way different
ways since I don't know what's going on earth, but
(31:35):
has of right, you know, but back in the day
they were cool. They're both in business together once upon time.
So yeah, it's one of those things to where I
think it's a situation to where you can be but
I think both parties know when that bell rings, it
is what it is.
Speaker 2 (31:52):
Well, and I'm not gonna deny that some boxes genuinely
hate each other. But guys, you got to you got
to understand this. All the fans when they're tough and
shit in the press conference. On social media, they're saying,
I'm gonna tear this guy apart, I'm gonna rip his
head offposite. It's for show. It's bullshit. They're they're playing
out the match.
Speaker 3 (32:10):
You know that.
Speaker 2 (32:11):
I saw some guy on social media a while back,
might have been Twitter, who said I don't even remember
the fighters. But he said, oh, if these two guys
hug at the end of the match, I'm gonna be
so pissed because they've been so you know, so vicious
towards each other. And of course, like I said, I
don't even remember what the match is, but of course
they hug at the end of the of the fight
when the last bell rang, because it is it's it's
a it's a sport about respect. You gotta respect the
(32:33):
guy in front of you. But like I said, you know,
some people do do genuinely hate each other. But I
want to say that's like five percent. You know, doesn't
matter how vicious they are. At the end of the day,
when you're going twelve rounds against another dude, you at
the end of it, you're gonna say, I respect you
for being in this ring with me, and I respect
the fights that you put in. And again, that's the
(32:55):
thing that I think is beautiful about box.
Speaker 4 (32:57):
At the end of the day, the people want to
go home to a fan absolutely all the goals to
go home and somewhere one piece and go home your family.
Speaker 3 (33:06):
On both ends, that's the overall goal, and that's just
how it goes.
Speaker 4 (33:10):
I don't think there's that much hatred involved or any
you know, conflict thing like that. It's just, yeah, it's
it's competitive because both trying to win and we're you know,
both trying to advance our careers. However, there's still loving
at the end of the day. So there's not gonna
be you know, it's not going to be anything crazy.
It's just just another fight at the end of the day.
Speaker 2 (33:30):
Nobody's gonna be put a bomb in somebody's car.
Speaker 3 (33:34):
I remember, it's business now, that's business. It's business, always business.
Speaker 4 (33:38):
And when you're making seven eight figures in a fight,
that's good business both ways.
Speaker 3 (33:44):
That's fair.
Speaker 2 (33:45):
So, like we said before, we don't want to keep
this too long. So I think that's about where we
can wrap it up. Jamison, where can people find you
on social media?
Speaker 4 (33:52):
At Twitter, at the Jamison, on Instagram, at the Jamison
in Vegas. So during fight weekends and whatnot, be around.
But it's always a pleasure. I love doing these and
talking boxing and business and hold on, we many.
Speaker 2 (34:08):
And we're going to talk about what the vibe is
in Vegas during fight nights, but that's for another time. Yeah,
So I'm not on Twitter. I got banned for going
on there well drunk and telling you nextand by what
I said. But the show has a Twitter account. It's
at Mixed co podcast on Twitter, so please follow us
there if you want to follow me, I'm the Classy
Alcoholic on Instagram and Blue Sky and we do have
(34:31):
now a show email address, so if you have more questions,
you have any fun stories about watching boxing, you want
to send me hate mail because you're a baseball fan,
it's letters at mixedcopodcast dot com. That's letters at mixedcopodcast
dot com. Please reach out to us, subscribe to the show.
Rate us five stars on Spotify, on Apple podcast, rate
(34:53):
us five stars. Even if you hate the show, it
doesn't matter. You won't go to jail for lying to
Tim Apple and Joe Spotify. So thank you so much.
I want to thank you for being a listener and uh,
you know, Talud
Speaker 4 (35:11):
Mhm
Popular Podcasts
Dateline NBC
Current and classic episodes, featuring compelling true-crime mysteries, powerful documentaries and in-depth investigations. Follow now to get the latest episodes of Dateline NBC completely free, or subscribe to Dateline Premium for ad-free listening and exclusive bonus content: DatelinePremium.com
Stuff You Should Know
If you've ever wanted to know about champagne, satanism, the Stonewall Uprising, chaos theory, LSD, El Nino, true crime and Rosa Parks, then look no further. Josh and Chuck have you covered.
My Favorite Murder with Karen Kilgariff and Georgia Hardstark
My Favorite Murder is a true crime comedy podcast hosted by Karen Kilgariff and Georgia Hardstark. Each week, Karen and Georgia share compelling true crimes and hometown stories from friends and listeners. Since MFM launched in January of 2016, Karen and Georgia have shared their lifelong interest in true crime and have covered stories of infamous serial killers like the Night Stalker, mysterious cold cases, captivating cults, incredible survivor stories and important events from history like the Tulsa race massacre of 1921. My Favorite Murder is part of the Exactly Right podcast network that provides a platform for bold, creative voices to bring to life provocative, entertaining and relatable stories for audiences everywhere. The Exactly Right roster of podcasts covers a variety of topics including historic true crime, comedic interviews and news, science, pop culture and more. Podcasts on the network include Buried Bones with Kate Winkler Dawson and Paul Holes, That's Messed Up: An SVU Podcast, This Podcast Will Kill You, Bananas and more.