TMCP EP 21: Is Xander Zayas the Real Deal?

Jamieson and Classy are back for another fantastic conversation centered around an honest conversation about Pacquiao as both were impressed by how he looked, even in a loss. They also discussed the meteoric rise of Xander Zayas and their expectations for him moving forward and other fighter topics before transitioning to expectations for the UFC's TKO Boxing. 

This week's Pop Pugilism segment featured a breakdown of the 1972 classic: Fat City dir. John Huston starring Stacy Keach & Jeff Bridges.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:01):
In this corner standing it six foot five weight class
unknown hailing from Sin City, Las Vegas, Jamison Wells and
in this corner standing in five foot nine Wayne Town
with six wins.

Speaker 2 (00:19):
Three losses, two arrests, four late payments on student loans.

Speaker 1 (00:23):
And two total bankruptcies Hits, Doug Classy, I'll go home in.

Speaker 2 (00:33):
Thank you.

Speaker 3 (00:33):
Welcome back to another episode of the Mixed Company Podcast.
Of course, I'm one of your hosts, Jamison Wils and
as always I'm joining my the classy alcoholic Classy.

Speaker 2 (00:42):
What's going on man, Jamison?

Speaker 4 (00:44):
I am still riding high today, not just from all
the whiskey I had before the show, but from our
previous episode. If you were a new listener, two weeks ago,
we had an amazing interview with a boxing promoter former
professional fighter named Bobby Hits. We've been getting some great
feedback on the episode because Bobby was so fun to
have on the show. He had a wealth of knowledge

(01:04):
from his years as a promoter, and also he was
really funny and a total showman on the podcast. So
if you haven't done it, So if you haven't done it,
do yourself a favor. Go back and check out episode
twenty of our show. You won't regret it. Love Bobby Hitson.

Speaker 2 (01:19):
I would love.

Speaker 4 (01:20):
To have him back as well for the future because
he was phenomenal. But today, yeah, today, we welcome you
all to episode twenty one. Our show is officially old
enough to drink, so we're celebrating by taking it to
the club and getting it totally smashed tonight. In the meantime,
we got a lot to get to, so let's leave
through today's copy of The Boxing Gazette, the number one
source for boxing.

Speaker 2 (01:41):
News, James Sin.

Speaker 4 (01:42):
Since our previous episode, we had the much hyper turn
of Many Pecchio against Mario Barrios. I made the prediction
that the fight would go the distance, but that Barrios
would win. Turns out it was a draw. You made
the prediction that we would see more washedness from Many
than people would expect. I do not personally feel that
your prediction was correct based on the performance we saw,

(02:02):
but I want to get your take on it and
what you saw on the night of July nineteenth.

Speaker 3 (02:07):
It wasn't correct at all. I was kind of surprised,
but also I have a lot of respect for pakial
like being that of age, being ready, being somewhat in
relative good shape for that fight, like he was there
to fight, And you gotta give credit because as boxes
get older, we know the gymps details not there, we
know the training is not always the same. So for

(02:27):
him to look prepared, to look ready, and you can
make an argument that he won the fight. I think
it was a good performance for him. The only issue
is I think we're gonna try to see more fight
from him, and I don't think that's a great idea
because now you're talking about different names. So it's one
thing to fight against the Barrios, but now there's hardly
another name, and some other fighters looking names too. For

(02:47):
various reasons. We know why, but I think we kind
of either comment down just to be I think he
got cool it down because he's still what forty six
forty six absolutely, and the guy he's mentioning are better
than Burials. They're younger than he is. And I don't
know if that's the right idea. However, there's paydays that

(03:09):
are there to be had, so I get it. And
if many owls back taxes or ow some debt and
this is way out of it, who am I to
say he shouldn't fight.

Speaker 4 (03:19):
Yeah, I mean two things can be true. One that
he was his comeback was for the money. We've said
that on this show and I believe it.

Speaker 2 (03:27):
But two that you.

Speaker 4 (03:28):
Know, we've got to give him respect for how he looked,
how he fought. Yeah, I mean I was happy with
the draw as the decision. I think it was. It
was solid. Still don't think he really eked out the wind.
But again, different people see different things. It's live, it's
happening really fast. Many still has a lot of speed

(03:48):
to him, so you know, it's very different in watching
it from on TV than having the judges score it there.
So but I was happy with the result. But yeah,
the one thing that I I'm kind of worried about
is that, you know, he's he's on his own supply,
which is all he was just going to be a
problem for boxers. Often he's talking about Roly Romero, he's

(04:09):
talking about Tank.

Speaker 2 (04:11):
I don't know. Here's the thing.

Speaker 4 (04:14):
I think he should leave well Enoughaloe. I think he
should enjoy his big comeback. He looked great and the
audience the best part of it was the audience losing
their minds over Manny's comeback at the Arena they kept
cheering his names. He put on a great show for
the people, for his fans, all the people that loved
them from back in the day were thrilled to see him,

(04:34):
you know, come back. And then I'll let's be honest,
not embarrass himself in the ring.

Speaker 2 (04:38):
What more do you want?

Speaker 3 (04:39):
Man?

Speaker 2 (04:40):
What more do you want?

Speaker 4 (04:41):
I think he should right off into the sunset, but
I don't know if he doesn't.

Speaker 2 (04:46):
What do you think about those potential matchups? So what
do you think about a Tank matchup? No?

Speaker 3 (04:50):
No, And we can talk about Tank a little little
later or even now. I got to be fight a
whole lot of fights.

Speaker 2 (04:57):
Just in general.

Speaker 3 (04:57):
It's always something, whether it's all retired legal problems, it's
not just always something.

Speaker 2 (05:04):
And yes, it would do good numbers people would tune
in to.

Speaker 3 (05:06):
Watch, But it feels like tenk OUs other things going
on right now, so I don't think that's gonna work.
Rowley is interesting only because it fits the whole Mexican
versus Filipino type of boxing match that always does well,
like always like marketability wise, it always does well. However,

(05:27):
Rowley's a lot younger, more aggressive, don't they has a
great matchup for Pacia could be wrong. I only has
a great matchup just thinking in general, but I get
it because people want paydays, and like a guy, he's
found a lot of guys, but I don't.

Speaker 2 (05:44):
Know if he's got to pay a lot of money.

Speaker 3 (05:46):
Well, he's got these, you know, relatively well off for
regular person, but as a boxer, he's been on the
b side of a lot of these matches, so I
don't know money wise where he's at. So that's why
I can see him like, yeah, of course I'll take
this fight. BEA's probably guaranteed five million guy would understand.
But honestly, Pakal being forty six, I don't know if
he wants to get in the ring with a dangerous fighter.

(06:08):
I don't think that makes sense. Like him fighting Tank
wouldn't make sense at all. Tank would end his career.
But I just think with Tank, there's some of other
variables there.

Speaker 2 (06:17):
Just don't know. But it is fascinating.

Speaker 3 (06:20):
But I think boxing has this problem to where we're
always banking on the guys from yesteryear to sell fights,
and I think that's a bad idea because we have
younger guys that are really good. Even the Mega fight
that's coming up in about a month and a half.
Those guys are in their mid to late thirties. Those
guys have already had a prime and this is a

(06:43):
mega event. We need to focus on younger guys that
can push the sport and bring into different heights, hopefully
new heights. But we're still pushing guys in their forties
in the late thirties, and we kind of need to
get away from that for the betterment of the sport.

Speaker 2 (06:57):
I'm with you, that's a well.

Speaker 4 (06:59):
You made so many good points there, but yeah, I
dislike sort of going back to the well as much
as we have, But that's kind of culture in general.
I went to see whatever thirty years later, sequel twenty
five years later, sequel two. I Know what you did
last summer This weekend, I completely wasted my time watching
Happy Gilmore Too.

Speaker 2 (07:20):
Absolute waste of time, total trash. Do not watch it.
But that's just kind of a thing.

Speaker 4 (07:24):
It's just where I'll kind of stick with the movie
analogy for a bit, you know, having Gillmore to all
those jokes are rehashed from the first thing, and people are,
I don't know, do you not want something new? You
know you like the original because it was fresh and
new and clever. Do you really want to just see
that stuff again and go oh, I remember that, you know,
And that kind of translates to, you know, these fighters

(07:45):
that we want to keep bringing back, and you know,
the whole Tyson debacle from last year, you know, the
you know, Manny come back, and there's people online saying,
what about Many and Floyd rematch?

Speaker 2 (07:57):
I'm like, can't see that. Get out of my face?
With the ten years ago? The original was ten years ago.

Speaker 3 (08:03):
We don't need and it was late then, like it
was late when it happened.

Speaker 2 (08:07):
We don't need it. We don't need It's like, we
don't there's nothing of that matchup.

Speaker 3 (08:12):
I need to see it again, like we kind of
knew it was gonna happ when they first matched up.
We don't need a second fight there. We don't necessarily
need that. However, for the casual fan, the person that
only watches the very big fights, I get it. You're
getting that money, so I understand that. But man, with
all that being said, come on, man, we don't necessarily

(08:36):
need to rely on guys at the back end or
even way past their prime. I think it does e
sport of the service because there are so many other
young and up and coming guys that are really good,
that are really really really good, that they just don't
get the same type of opportunity, and I think that
hurts the sport overall.

Speaker 4 (08:58):
Yeah, you made a good point, Many versus floidos ten
years ago prime Manny was twenty years ago.

Speaker 2 (09:04):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (09:05):
Yeah, I think here's and here's the thing, no matter what,
if we're gonna have an old timer or a granty comeback,
it has to be for a belt, like, it has
to be legit, for the record, for a tight show,
whatever it is. I don't just want to see a
showcase for fun with a couple of old timers who
have been retired for years. That's something that I said

(09:26):
before and I'll stick to it. I respect Manny for
actually fighting a champion and you know, trying to It
was a legit fight, so it wasn't just a you know,
it wasn't what Mike Tyson and Roy Jones Junior from
three four years ago whenever. That was another one that
I'm like, what are you guys do it? But here's

(09:48):
the thing. I agree with you. We do not need
to see Many fight a younger guy. We do not
need to see him fight Tank. But how much of
Manny's mindset after this fight was like, I I still
got it, I can still still take Tank.

Speaker 2 (10:02):
Does he believe of course, we're not mind readers.

Speaker 4 (10:04):
I'm just saying, you know, is that could that be
a factor in a lot of guys, guys heads who
you know, they get it, they get high on their
own supply. I keep going back to that and say,
you know.

Speaker 3 (10:15):
Please, So we all got group chats, we all have
our friends, our communities, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. Right,
So that being said, there's a group chat with Manny
and his people where it's his friends, his business partners,
whomever that's saying, hey man, you look really good last weekend.
How are you feeling? And then the ideas start. Whether

(10:36):
all the ideas are good or not, it's a whole
different conversation. But there's a lot of theories that have
been thrown out there. I bet you they've been matchups,
there's been money, there's a lot of things going on
over the last like ten days or so since that
fight that hey man, I wouldn't be surprised if there
is an announcement soon or later on his next fight,
because one, he looked relatively well for all they considered. Secondly,

(11:00):
bears a market for him to fight like People are
gonna tune in and watch if he's fighting. That's his
nature of the beast. No matter how you slice it.
If Manny Pachiall is fighting in a sanctioned fight, people
will tune in and watch. He is a huge name.
He's one of the faces of the sport over the
last twenty five years. People will watch. That's just how
it is. You can't there's no other way to describe it.

(11:21):
That's just how it goes. With that being said, though,
how smart and strategic is he doing this? Does he
fight a lesser known guy or does he go for
the huge payday because he can the way he looked
other last Saturday. For if he looked like that again,
he has a couple more fights in him to where
he can make some more dollars. But if he goes

(11:41):
for the big, big fight, then I don't know, I
don't know.

Speaker 2 (11:46):
No, I agreed.

Speaker 4 (11:48):
I mean, he looked as good as any of you know,
any very good boxer today. You know, yes, he didn't
look like prior many twenty years ago, But I would
say probably not. He wouldn't do well against a Tank.
Probably would do very well against Roly, who is a
talented fighter, knows the disrespect. But yes, that is true,
That is very true. Rollie's win against Ryan, which I

(12:10):
predicted was gonna happen, was more because Ryan's kind of
a brute bully and he got out boxed twice. Maybe
we can diguez ass out of the grave to put
it back on that. But speaking of Tank, so there's
the rumors out there the Tank would would potentially take
a Many fight, but also for the wrong reasons for

(12:31):
the payday, because, uh, the Lamont roach fight was supposed
to happen around August. Nothing's been declared, nothing's been signed,
nothing's been announced. Doesn't necessarily mean anything because fights get
delayed all the time, et cetera, et cetera. Tank was
in jail for domestic violence recently, so he's his stock
has been crumbling this past year really hard. So I

(12:53):
think that potentially it could be Tank sticking to his
guns about retirement and running off into the sunset with
a Many fight because that would net a pay day
for both of them. Of course i'd watch it, but
I don't know that I'd love the idea, but it
does seem like sort of the best exit strategy for
where Tank is now, especially compared to how the like,

(13:17):
the excitement for the Roach fight wasn't even there in
the first place. Let's be honest. Yeah, the only reason
it was such a big deal was because of how
it turned out. Sorry, the only reason a rematch seemed
like a big deal was because of how it turned out.
But that's not something that you can really keep milking.
You know, the time for Tank versus Roach too is

(13:37):
going to be. If it's not gone now, it's going
to be gone very soon. So I don't know, what
do you think about that potential legs of strategy for Tank.

Speaker 3 (13:44):
It's very difficult now because even like this, we had
a situation where I think it was September, like mid
September was the or late September was the original date.
We're seven weeks away from that now. I don't see.
Usually a fight gets announced with two months to market.

(14:04):
That's the normal. You have a fight unless it's something minor,
but a major fight gets like two months to market,
press tour, et cetera, et cetera. We're at that stage now.
And I haven't seen no, I haven't seen nothing agreement.
No one knows tank situation, so I don't know, Like
I honestly don't know what's going on. And Tank doesn't

(14:24):
have like a big promotion company behind.

Speaker 2 (14:27):
Him to be like, hey, with that being said, you
know this is what's going on. There's going to spend
the narrative.

Speaker 3 (14:34):
There's no one to calm down rumors or here's the
nutt It's just all things go. So right now, we
don't know if Tank's gonna fight again. We don't know
if that fight's gonna happen. The way Lamont Roach is talking,
he feels reserved that there's not gonna be a fight
besween him and Tank this year. The way he's what
I've seen some of the conversations, some of the tweets
and the posts and everything, it feels like that shit

(14:56):
may have sailed and that Roach is about to be
moving on because his name is hot right now, he
should be able to capitalize and try to move up
and make as much as he can, try to get
a belt from somebody or be in a contention for
a belt and go from there. So why wouldn't he,
you know, take advantage of the situation he has.

Speaker 2 (15:14):
You can't wait on a tank.

Speaker 3 (15:15):
Tank got a lot going on, No one knows anything,
and eventually it comes to the point where either we
got to sign up for or move on.

Speaker 2 (15:21):
And I think that date's coming soon because you just
can't keep waiting.

Speaker 4 (15:25):
You just can't, right, And nobody would would blame roach
for moving on. Nobody would say, well, you're duck in
the rematch, blah blah blah. You know, it's understandable he's
kind of left hanging. I mean, I don't know, Yeah,
something could get announced. How about this, If that fight
or another tank fight gets announced before the end of
this year, I think we're still in solar territory if

(15:45):
Tank is waiting until twenty twenty six to do anything.
Like my man is just out of the conversation.

Speaker 3 (15:51):
So it's tough because he has a legal situation and
we don't know what's going on with that. He might
be on house arrest, he might be on probably there
might be rules of his release that we don't know yet.

Speaker 2 (16:00):
So we have no idea what's going on in this situation.

Speaker 3 (16:04):
So that's the thing that makes this thing very very interesting,
is that we're all waiting to see on what the
actual move is because right now we feel like we're
all in the dark. Everyone's in the dark. He's not
saying anything since the case happened. He's been quiet. No
one knows anything. We don't know who's really running his.

Speaker 2 (16:20):
Show, so we're all just kind of out the blue.

Speaker 3 (16:22):
But also, we have a mega fight coming up in
a month and a half, and we're gonna be talking
about that more and more as the date comes about.
We're not enough about taking roach until that fight's over
and done with and then some so I don't really
know what's going on. It doesn't make they're making all
the wrong moves with this matchup. That rematch should have
been set right away and they should have been fighting

(16:44):
right around this time. That should have been done a
two or three month situation and bloom, let's run it
right back.

Speaker 2 (16:49):
But this is crazy, Like this is wild.

Speaker 4 (16:52):
That's a really good point about Canelo Crawford happening in September.
I mean then that means nothing can happen till after that,
closer to October, which means it would be a December fight,
which which was supposed to happen last year December of
twenty four and got pushed back so earliest with the
two month lead up, yeah, December of this year. But again,
if that gets delayed at all, then we're going to

(17:14):
twenty six and that's a full near to full year
to Tech fight.

Speaker 3 (17:18):
And again, whether the Tank goes to jail, then the
fight's done. Also that, I mean, we don't know any
Like said, there's so many variables with it. That sucks
because fans we want to see one of the faces
of the sport fight. We want to see Tank fight.
We have our opinions about what he is and how
good he could be and how good he actually is.
That's all fair, but he's still won the most recognizable

(17:38):
face of the sport. We want to see him fight.
We want to see him. He's the one guy outside
of the two guys that are fighting in two weeks
that people will pay pay per view prices to see fight.

Speaker 2 (17:49):
There is something to go with that. There's something to
be said for that.

Speaker 3 (17:52):
And to lose one of those guys on some bs
and for basically you're not taking care of business. It's
really unfortunate because it would not surprise if we never
saw him fight again. They wouldn't surprise. I'm not saying
I would bet on it, but it wouldn't surprise me.

Speaker 2 (18:06):
That's a really, uh really fair point.

Speaker 3 (18:09):
You know.

Speaker 4 (18:09):
Rumors are also out there that he could take another
big payday by fighting Jake Paul and then dipping and
sticking to the retirement, which we have said that Jake
Paul is excommunity Kado from the podcast like like from
John Wick.

Speaker 2 (18:22):
Thank you too. If you take that fight, you are
dead to me.

Speaker 3 (18:25):
I mean, look you so. I can't say that because
here's the thing. If you're guaranteed one hundred and fifty million,
I get it. I can't as a task paying American,
I ain't gonna say. I ain't gonna say no, wise
a fool turning that down and then he's getting that
kind of money. I don't like it, but I understand.

Speaker 2 (18:43):
I don't. I don't agree with it. I may not
even watch, but I understand. But if you're doing it just.

Speaker 3 (18:48):
For show, just just to pass the time, that I
gotta see record setting numbers. If you pull us something
like that, the amount of guaranteed money has to be
so high that it's like, oh, well, he couldn't turn
that down something like that.

Speaker 2 (19:01):
If it's not that, then I don't want to hear
about it, right.

Speaker 4 (19:04):
And you're right, I understand as well, and understand that
he's going to be dead to me if he takes
that fight.

Speaker 3 (19:10):
I understand. I get it because we take boxing seriously.
Most of the country does not, but we take boxing
very seriously. So when you see some shenanigans going, then yeah,
it ain't really cool. However, if you get promises, you
get guaranteed nine figures and you're about to work hire anyway, Like, hey,

(19:33):
I understand now that being said, you're fighting basically an
amateur eye and if that happens, that's basically been picking
fights and whatnot. Are you really going to knock this
guy out? Like is that really gonna happen?

Speaker 2 (19:46):
You know what I mean? So it's a lot. I
hope that. I hope we don't come to that. I
hope he doesn't come to that. Let's say it like that,
that's true, Yeah, we should.

Speaker 4 (19:52):
We shouldn't get into like what would happen if and
then let's let's just let's just kind of cross our
fingers that.

Speaker 2 (19:59):
He doesn't have to that low such a bitch. Okay.

Speaker 4 (20:04):
Next up on the news less Saturday, Zender Zias became
the WBO Junior middle World Champion in his fight againstp
it Is. Xander Sias is a Puerto Rican fighter based
in New York, and at twenty two years old, he
is the youngest current world champion out there. Jamison, we've
talked on the show about how a lot of guys
are getting world title shots sooner than they used to.

Speaker 2 (20:24):
Back in the day.

Speaker 4 (20:25):
You had to have more fights on your record before
a title shot was even possible. But you know, we've
also talked about how there's just less active fighters as
whole in the sport.

Speaker 2 (20:34):
So what's your songs on this? Maybe there's less fights
to go through.

Speaker 4 (20:37):
Before you become a world CHAMPI because there's also less
dudes to fight.

Speaker 3 (20:41):
It's tricky because everybody's trying to get to the bag, right,
That's like the situation. Every boxer wants to make as
much as possible as soon as possible, So whomever can
promise those fights, that's who they're going with. That may
not be the best for the developmental purposes. But from
what we're saying, what's been going on last I would
say four to five years, is we're seeing guys move

(21:02):
up the ranks very quickly and get to the title
fights quickly than we ever have before ever. And they're
not fighting like four times zero either. They're fighting maybe
three times every fifteen months. It feels like God's fighting
maybe every now and then you get a guy wants
every three every thirteen months, but for the most part,
God's final every four to five months on average.

Speaker 2 (21:24):
That's what it feels like.

Speaker 3 (21:25):
With that being said, I don't mind it per sec
and that's just the air we're in. I would just
caution of even though somebody has a belt at a
young age, that doesn't mean what it meant.

Speaker 2 (21:36):
Twenty years ago or thirty years ago.

Speaker 3 (21:38):
I think you have to understand and adjust how things
were when we start watching boxing and what they are now.
You mentioned there's not a whole lot of great candidates
like that it was back in the day. The pool
overall boxers is a lot thinner than it used to be.
So a world champion twenty two, yes, it's very impressive.
Would never take nothing like that away from anyone. However,

(21:59):
with that being said, I do think we have to
adjust and adapt for this era and kyboy Hole, let's
pump the brakes a little bit. Let's see the next
couple of fights and see what's really real. I think
that's the most important thing right now.

Speaker 4 (22:15):
Zender also called out Sebastian Fundora, who I don't know
if you saw him fight on the Pacchio about his card.
He's that light middleweight, huge set of a bitch who's
six foot six and he's at light middleweight, which means
one hundred and fifty four pounds, which my god, I
don't even know how that's possible, to be honest with you,
Just like how somebody can have that much body walking

(22:37):
around and still weigh one hundred and fifty four, like
up five to nine.

Speaker 2 (22:41):
I probably weigh one hundred.

Speaker 4 (22:42):
And fifty four in like college, maybe right after college.
But but Seves, you know, he's his belt. Let's see,
he's got the WBC belt type. I believe so Zenders
I was already talking about unifying, which another thing. You know,
what about a couple of fights in between, what a
couple of couple of mandatory challengers.

Speaker 2 (23:01):
Why immediately go to you know.

Speaker 4 (23:03):
Unifying the belts? Could be that that's just the quickest
way to uh, you know, to start him to money,
to fame, et cetera. But when there's a talented young
guy with potential, I want to see him fight different
kinds of dudes.

Speaker 2 (23:18):
So he's, yeah, he's he's very.

Speaker 4 (23:21):
Young and has he's very talented, and he has a
lot of a lot of career ahead of him. I
just want to kind of want to see him develop
the skills. And you know, there's some people out there
that are saying, you know, he doesn't beat the biggest
guys at at his weight class, but it would be
a very interesting challenge for someone who's six to six.
You know, Xendersayas is like five', ten so a more

(23:42):
normal normal size for somebody at that weight. Class we
Saw Sebastian funa Beat Tim, Zu australian, fighter at That bodios.
Fight the man has reached like, Crazy so you have
to really be be able to get on the inside
and not be scared Of that's not that's not easy for.
Anybody so WHEN i was, sparring you, know LIKE i,

(24:05):
Said i'm five to. Nine, HONESTLY i was one of
the bigger, guys taller guys in my boxing classes because
the boxes are, short that's why they start. Fighting so,
uh and you THINK i was, like oh, wait taller
than all these, Dudes i'm gonna beat shit out of all. Them,
no because those guys weren't afraid of, me they were
able to get on the. Inside i'm getting hit with,
Uppercuts i'm getting hit with body shots BEFORE i knew
what was. Happening, so you, know somebody that's really tall

(24:27):
with a long reach is, not you, know invincible by any. Means, No,
yeah but it takes a lot of, skill a lot
of RING iq and just fighting on the inside is
its own skilled that you, KNOW i never really. Mastered
but But i've tried enough times and failed enough times to.
Know you, know you have to really just focus on

(24:50):
being able to throw punches on the, inside stay in the, kitchen,
uh to to get by anybody with a lot of,
reach with a lot of, height.

Speaker 2 (24:57):
AND i don't. KNOW i, mean then there's our. Kid
he's a very talented. Kid but you, can't.

Speaker 4 (25:04):
Can't you can't just call, out you, know every dude
with a belt right off the.

Speaker 3 (25:08):
Bat but, again like we just, mentioned, though these boxers
are looking for the, bread they're looking for the, money
and the only way you can get money is wind
belt and. Fight whoever has, them and that's. It so
it's no Longer, HEY i need to get better from
the betterment of my. Career that's long. Gone now that's
we're out. That like we got guys getting title fights

(25:29):
within the first like twelve, fights you know WHAT i? Mean,
like so where the Whole remember back in the, day
you need to see guy fight like he was like
twenty nine to zero in his first title. Fight that's.
Long we're never gonna see that. Again we're that's all
the way out for a lot of. Reasons AND i get,
it because there's a lot of money, involved Right whoever
the promotion company, is they've invested a lot of money the,

(25:49):
boxer and this campus invests a lot of money in,
Time SO i get.

Speaker 2 (25:52):
It, however with that being, said man it's.

Speaker 3 (25:57):
Be careful what you ask, for because even though you
might have the talent and skills to win a belt
and make a lot of, money there's a certain maturity
that comes along with moving up and taking those big
fights that has to match your skill and it has
to match your boxing, ability and if that doesn't, mix
then they can be a very very interesting situation where

(26:20):
you do not get the most out of your. CAREER
i think people have to understand the best the most.
Boat the best situation would be to make the most
money throughout your, career not make it so early and
then you phase. Out no one wants to phase. Out
you want to, keep you want to gradually. Grow but
it's as hard to play with the people because right now,
boxing the boxing business has taken a step ahead of

(26:43):
the actual boxing fighting.

Speaker 2 (26:45):
Itself AND i think that's a big problem that we've
had in the sport for a.

Speaker 4 (26:48):
While then that's an ongoing conversation that we've had since
the very beginning of the. Show, YEAH i MEAN i
worry about, yeah young guys flaming out because they get
too big for their. Breches you, know call out this,
guy called that guy ready and not even a matter
of you, know they fight another guy for a, belt they.
LOSE i personally don't ride off a fighter because he

(27:11):
has a few, losses but a lot of boxing fans.
Do all of a, sudden you Know exander's, eyes you,
know he's he's a big, name he's got a lot of.
Cachet let's, say calls that sevestally for loses and all
of a, sudden it's like this fucking. Kid he wasn't,
shit he wasn't, ready blah, blah and all of a
sudden his stock drops and you, know we kind of

(27:32):
lose a potential young guy that could be fighting for
another ten.

Speaker 2 (27:35):
Years so they were like this.

Speaker 3 (27:37):
Too so think about the, nineties eighties and, nineties in
the early to mid two, thousands if a guy was
coming up.

Speaker 2 (27:45):
And he didn't do so, well he just. Lost it
was no social.

Speaker 3 (27:49):
Media there was no, blogs there was no Podcast we're
adding on, somebody you just lost and you got? Better are,
you you, know doing an actual the drawing. Board if
you lose now and you got a little bit of, Hype,
instagram you're a. Bum, facebook you're a. Bum Ax Blue
sky you're a. Bum everybody's, podcasts everybody's, blogs all the.

Speaker 2 (28:09):
Fans they have way more accessibility to.

Speaker 3 (28:11):
You so mentally it's hard to recover if you flame
out early than it was back in the. Day back
in the day you got a couple of rough fights early,
on you can build back up and get back on.
Track this day and, age you lose a couple of fights,
early you might as well lower For amazon.

Speaker 2 (28:27):
Bru that's another good point that it's kind of clicking with.

Speaker 4 (28:33):
You, now a lot of these young, guys they're way
younger than we, are and it is. Hard it's hard
for anybody when you're just getting constant hate on social
media over and. Over you, know it takes a lot
to just kind of shut that. OFF i feel like
guys our age or, older we didn't grow up with,
That we don't even live that. Life so it might
be easier to say, whatever you, know kind of blow it,
off put the phone. Down but when you're a young,

(28:53):
guy you're you, know twenties coming up in, boxing and
you're always, online even for good, reasons like for.

Speaker 2 (28:58):
Promotion you, know you want to be so you want
to get your.

Speaker 4 (29:00):
Name out, there you want to be followed On, Instagram
snapchat or whatever the. Hell but you're just getting constant
like you, suck you're, bum you're, trash you're, overrated, boring
blah blah, blah.

Speaker 2 (29:09):
You're, overrated overpay like all that.

Speaker 3 (29:12):
Shit the moment you lose a fight that you were
favored in and you're a young, guy all bench. Off
you also got a remember people are also betting on
you as. Well now everybody around the, country in the
world is now betting which we didn't have twenty thirty years.
Ago so all those things when you look take it
back and look at. It if you're not mature enough
to handle, that and it happens all at, once there's

(29:35):
a good chance you don't recover from, it not because you,
suck just because mentally and mostly you're not there. Yet
you're not able to deal with. That and if you
don't have strong enough circle around, you good.

Speaker 2 (29:46):
Luck.

Speaker 4 (29:47):
Sure AND i feel like a lot of washed people
like our age and, older, say, oh these kids are
just you, know these kids can't handle little criticism on
social media blah blah blah blah.

Speaker 2 (29:56):
Blah BUT i don't. Know imagine every.

Speaker 4 (29:59):
Day you go in the, morning get a coffee and
the guy that kind of, says, hey you, suck go to,
Work core connect to, you, suck your, Trash you go
to the bar To bartenay says that you're. Trash that'll
get to. Anybody, okay that will get to. Anybody and
AGAIN i don't think it's REALLY i don't see how
a young boxer can make a name today without being

(30:20):
all over social.

Speaker 2 (30:21):
Media that's just the. LANDSCAPE a great.

Speaker 3 (30:24):
Point that's an amazing point because you have to get
yourself out.

Speaker 2 (30:27):
There you gotta market, yourself you have to be.

Speaker 3 (30:30):
Out, there you gotta do so much Like emily told
us that and be, like, hey social media is a
huge part of WHAT i. Do so if she's saying,
that the boxers gotta do the same, thing if not,
more just get their name out, initially so you're absolutely.
Correct but also they even like this. Too it's not
just the boxers that are, impacted is they family and
friends also that are now a lot more accessible than

(30:53):
they were back in the. Day, now if a fighter
family was On, instagram you can find out who's. Who
the world's too all to not know who somebody.

Speaker 4 (31:01):
Is right absolutely speaking Of, Yeah Emily girton boxing promoter
also did an interview with us episode, fourteen so go
check that. Out she gave us a lot of behind
the scene info and just stuff that.

Speaker 2 (31:12):
We're talking about today right. NOW i, mean it really
resonates so awesome for our friend of the.

Speaker 4 (31:18):
Show and she was also helped us hook up With Bobby,
Hits so thank.

Speaker 2 (31:22):
You to, her like three or four times at this.

Speaker 4 (31:24):
Point switching it, up moving, on, well still talking About zender's.

Speaker 2 (31:29):
Eye this fight last.

Speaker 4 (31:30):
Weekend that was the Last Top ranked card to be
aired ON, espn So Top rank did not renew its,
contract which means that officially there is no boxing promotional
company that airs on regular regular. Television every company is
with a streaming. SERVICE i don't remember all of them
off the top of my, head BUT pbc is With Amazon,
Prime Golden boy is With The.

Speaker 2 (31:51):
Zone it's really the end of an. Era you.

Speaker 4 (31:54):
Know even back in the, DAY hbo was THE hbo
was synonymous with, boxing but they were still a subscription. Model,
now regular basic cable ass channels do not have boxing
matches on, them won't have, them and you, know it's
A i'm bummed about, it to be honest with. You
the biggest thing for me is you can't just walk

(32:15):
into a random dive bar with TVs that'll HAVE espn
on on A saturday night when boxing is, happening whether
it's a big fight or. Not SOMETIMES i just go
in and be, like, hey some, randoms some nobody's not,
Nobody sorry my, Bad some PEOPLE i don't know are.
FIGHTING i just like watching. Boxing let me go grab
a drink and if that bar HAS espn, on it'll be.

Speaker 2 (32:37):
There SO.

Speaker 4 (32:38):
I don't know what the, future, WELL i do know
what the future will look. Like everybody's going to be
at a streaming.

Speaker 2 (32:43):
Service but just a.

Speaker 4 (32:45):
Personal, anecdote you, KNOW i believe last year it was
on my. Birthday it was on A thursday, Night Telfy
malopez was. FIGHTING i went out to this neighborhood dive
called The Silver, room shout out to. Them it was
A u of a basketball, Night university Of Arizona bass,
game a big. One EVERY tv in that bar was,
playing you, know a. Basketball every person in there, was you, know,

(33:06):
uh paying attention to the. Game me as the one
lonely boxing fan in the, PLACE i asked the, Bartender,
hey this ONE tv and not of people seem to
be watching. It CAN i just borrow this? One can
you put it ON espn SO i can watch? Boxing
and she said. Yes she was super cool about. It
and that was, Awesome like that feeling of just saying, like,
hey if you're a cool, bartender can you you switch
the channel for me SOMETHING i want to watch that's,

(33:28):
gone that feeling that that experience is going to be,
gone And I'm i'm really bummed about, it.

Speaker 2 (33:34):
To be quiet honest with.

Speaker 4 (33:34):
You so that don't get your take on what the
world is going to.

Speaker 3 (33:37):
Be LIKE hbo pulled out years, ago it was the
beginning of the end because they were the boxing.

Speaker 2 (33:42):
Network they were the one where they took it seriously and.

Speaker 3 (33:48):
They put their all into the production of the, event
not just throwing on fights to have.

Speaker 2 (33:53):
Fights it was a real life.

Speaker 3 (33:54):
Production and when that, left you saw the riding on
the wall because even showtime they tried wasn't the. Same they,
tried they gave an, effort but it wasn't the. SAME
espn was there for a long, time but the effort
wasn't the, same but marketing wasn't the. Same and then
unfortunately we HAD pbc that came and. Went we had

(34:18):
stuff On fox AND cbs and that wasn't really, good
and we had top rank left AND espn unfortunately has
gone away for everything besides football and basketball and a
little bit of. Hockey SO i, HONESTLY i don't necessarily blame.
BOXING i think it's a sign of the. Times but

(34:38):
we took boxing ON tv for, GRANTED i think the networks.

Speaker 2 (34:42):
DID i think the people.

Speaker 3 (34:43):
Did we didn't watch enough to make sure to stay
ON tv as a.

Speaker 2 (34:49):
Whole as a mass as a group of.

Speaker 3 (34:51):
People we didn't all gravitate towards the free boxing in.

Speaker 2 (34:55):
A, sense we took it for.

Speaker 3 (34:57):
Granted we figured out All tunate events are all tune
in for the main.

Speaker 2 (35:01):
Event we didn't take it. Seriously and now it's all.
Gone now you have to have the oone. Subscription now
you have to have illegal links and all that. Stuff
not a fan of.

Speaker 3 (35:11):
It it, sucks but it feels like everything is evolving
and this is just another thing that's on the. List
like the way we watch fights now is just through
a link or a subscription or, app and that's. All
that's the new wave AND i don't see it going
back to what it once. WAS i think this is
it and we got to deal with.

Speaker 4 (35:28):
It, yeah it feels like going out of town and
trying to find out who's playing a pay per view,
fight like a major, match because if you don't know
if it's you, KNOW i know in my, town you
know who's, playing who plays? WHAT i have a pretty good,
idea but you, Know i've had to call in, like,
hey you're playing this fight on pay per? View, know,
okay blah blah. Blah and it feels like that just

(35:49):
for any ass regular ass fight with top rank BECAUSE
i don't, know my dives aren't going to have probably
not going to Have Amazon prime under old, TVs you,
know behind the.

Speaker 2 (36:00):
End here's the. THING i, like you're going at shitty.

Speaker 4 (36:03):
Places so if you maybe you, know you know we
mentioned before like a buffalo wild. Wings, Hell i've Seen
i've watched the fight At David busters just because uh
because why, not you, know just kind of go see
at different. Locations but, yeah just the place around the,
corner the little crappy dive bar with a couple of
TVs that always HAS espn that places. Out so, YEAH i,

(36:26):
mean who emerges as the next leader in boxing?

Speaker 2 (36:28):
Broadcasting like which app like which? Which well.

Speaker 3 (36:33):
The dazzing or de zone what everyone to call is
probably first in the lists because they at least they
feel they put effort behind their, product AND i can appreciate.
That it feels Like netflix is always gonna be an
option because they need live content and they've had a
lot of successful events on they want to come to.
Sports SO i feels Like Netflix amazon are always gonna
be in the mix because there is such a need for.

Speaker 2 (36:55):
It but, man it's just one of those things to
where two.

Speaker 3 (37:01):
Things we need more boxes that people want to. See
that's the first thing we need more the overall talent
has dipped in the, sport and not necessarily saying guys
aren't as. Skillful they're not as good and marketable as
they once were way back. When we have guys that
are a good. Guy but Like boots in this no

(37:22):
one knows what he sounds. LIKE i don't know anything about.
Him besides he's For philadelphia and that he chooses his
fights very.

Speaker 2 (37:29):
Carefully that's ALL i. Know BUT i don't know.

Speaker 3 (37:31):
ANYTHING i don't know what damn thing about. HIM i
don't know WHAT i don't know anything about. Him there
are so many good fighters out, there we just don't
know what damn thing. About there's no interesting things about these,
guys so it's hard as hell to market. Them if
you're An, amazon why are you gonna pay twenty million
dollars for A boots in this? Event why are you
gonna pay that much FOR i, mean twenty. Minutes it's
all everything, right the production, trucks the, travel. Everything why

(37:55):
are you gonna pay all that money for a fighter
that no one really knows outside of hard boxing. Fans
so those are the THINGS i think, One boxers in
general got to be back to being, charismatic. Marketable you
gotta be able to sell fights while being. Good we
had a lot of that in the, nineties a lot of,
that and part of that was guys found The olympics as,

(38:16):
well but just in, general we had a lot of
guys that were fucking, marketable that were, cool that you
knew about that you saw fight at eighteen nineteen twenty
and you saw them rise and oh, shit they're trying
to Pro oh, shit, there this is the first title.
Fight we don't have that no, more like that's all.
Gone but also a big part of it as well
is this day and age they boxing unfortunately is not

(38:44):
looked at the same as other, Sports SO, MMA ufc
and all that is looked at different than.

Speaker 2 (38:50):
BOXING espn is still in bed WITH ufc And Dana.

Speaker 3 (38:53):
White we gotta get boxing back to a spot to
where it's, like, oh we need to have.

Speaker 2 (38:58):
That we gotta have.

Speaker 3 (38:59):
THAT i don't know what else is there to do
about that unless we get another superstar athlete that becomes
a boxer and becomes dominant to, where oh, shit we
gotta have that guy basically A floyd Of Mike. Tyson
you need a guy that's like transcendent across all, sports
not just a great, boxer but he'sn't running for best

(39:20):
athlete in the whole.

Speaker 2 (39:21):
World we need.

Speaker 3 (39:23):
THAT i don't know who's capable of doing, that but
we need that to get back in the discussion in my.

Speaker 4 (39:27):
Opinion, yeah And i'm glad you Mentioned Dana white, actually
because there's rumors out there that HIS tko boxing, promotion
whatever it is you know that he's involved, with might
be an easy sign FOR. Espn easy easy sign, up
an easy contract to sign FOR.

Speaker 2 (39:46):
Espn you, know not A ufc, FAN i.

Speaker 4 (39:50):
Don't i'm not gonna SAY i hate on it or
anything like. THAT i don't SAY i put it On it's,
like oh that's stupid or. Whatever it's just never appealed to.
Me but there is A ufc model THAT i have
been learning more ABOUT i was just ignorant. On but you,
Know Dana white is not the most the best regarded.
Promoter you know underpays. Fighters you, know definitely you have

(40:13):
seen that the business is the biggest, thing and all
of his fighters secondary to, that they have no power
and like A canelo can choose wherever he, fights who he,
fights you, know but you know what promotion company is
With you're With Dana.

Speaker 2 (40:28):
White Dana white's in.

Speaker 4 (40:29):
Charge he's the, guy he's the god, king and you
better not piss him off because he will just derail.

Speaker 2 (40:34):
You is is What i'm.

Speaker 4 (40:36):
Reading you, know let's, say allegedly allegedly, speaking but for, boxing.

Speaker 2 (40:41):
That doesn't sound very.

Speaker 4 (40:41):
Good that sounds like going back to the to the
heydays of A Don, king of those stories of, him you,
know screwing over fighters and not paying them. Enough and you,
know for whatever he did for the, sport he doesn't
have the best reputation all that. Thought So Bob aaron
was packed.

Speaker 3 (40:59):
Alstro motofall these, Years Pac yeah is still fighting in
his mid. Forties all these dudes is. Crooks all these
promoters are bad, people especially from that. ERA i DON'T
i can't speak on today's eric because that's a whole different.
Thing but all them promoters from back in the, day
they're all the. Same they all, talk they all just look,
different but they're all the.

Speaker 2 (41:17):
Same that's.

Speaker 4 (41:19):
Fair but from, again from What i've read allegedly, speaking
Dayn't white seems to be worse than ANYBODY ufc is
there's not enough money.

Speaker 3 (41:28):
Involved because here's the, issue unless you're like the, top top.
Guy a lot of the fighters have like regular, jobs
like a lot of the guys on the undercar like
we talked, about we talked about the three pm and
four pm. Fights all them dudes got. Jobs like them
dudes got. Jobs they gotta be At Monday monday. Morning
so it's a little different than a boxer that's gonna

(41:49):
get paid one hundred grand or two fifty. Whatever that's
not the case in THE. Ufc, however just in, general
the money stays at the. Top there's very little trickle
down it comes to the money in that. Sport so
it's very interesting and fascinating when you hear about guys how, about,
Yeah i'm worth, MORE i.

Speaker 2 (42:08):
Should get paid.

Speaker 3 (42:09):
More that's Why Connor gregor hasn't. Fought you, know he
made his money and Oh I'M i mean this. Much
Oh i'm. Cool like there's no there's no need because
the money stays at the top OF, ufc and a
lot of, guys especially the middle tier, guys they don't
get paid a whole.

Speaker 4 (42:25):
Lot, WELL i don't know how excited it will be
about fights on T KO espn if it does. Happen
but and, YEAH i don't necessarily want to support the In,
white but again Supporting we're supporting his comebacks left and.

Speaker 2 (42:43):
Right you.

Speaker 4 (42:43):
Know, yeah again we talked about all The saudi, money
the Corrupt saudi money in. Boxing you, know it can't
really get away from. It there's no ethical consumption in,
capitalism my. God SO i don't, know it's just kind
of hard to. Say but at the end of the, day,
THOUGH i just really like watching. FIGHTS i like watching,
Boxing So i'm not going to say that.

Speaker 2 (43:01):
Again IF i am in.

Speaker 4 (43:01):
A dive bar And Dana WHITE'S tko boxing is ON,
espn Then i'm not going to be you, know, following paying,
attention following. Fighters maybe somehow there will be a guy
who is such a big deal that gets to break
away from.

Speaker 2 (43:13):
It that's kind of the the bigger.

Speaker 4 (43:15):
Thing is to to you, know leave leave the the
The Dana white Death star and try to make it somewhere.
Else but kind of, speculating don't need to get into all.

Speaker 2 (43:26):
That at this.

Speaker 4 (43:26):
Point but, yeah maybe Like connor, McGregor maybe some guy
can make a really shitty whiskey and try to make
money off of that after they.

Speaker 2 (43:35):
Retire, absolutely because more money and alcohol than there is. Fighting, yeah.

Speaker 5 (43:39):
Exactly so moving, on let's follow up with Pop, pugilism
our recurring segment in which we discussed a, MOVIE tv
show or documentary about.

Speaker 4 (43:50):
Boxing, today we have a movie that's quite different than
the ones we've talked about. Before we are Discussing Fat
city from nineteen seventy. Two directed by the Legendary On,
houston the film Starred Stacy keach as washed up Boxer
Billy tully And Jeff bridges The dude himself when he
was a, baby as an upcoming young fighter Named Ernie.
Munger this movie is about, boxers but not about, boxing

(44:13):
is WHAT i would. Say it's more of a dark
drama about poor and in some case desperate people who.

Speaker 2 (44:19):
Look to boxing a lot in.

Speaker 4 (44:20):
Life SO i love this, Movie i'd love to say a.
Lot but First, jamison give me your thoughts on. This
on this, flame it was.

Speaker 3 (44:27):
Cool it was kind of hard to follow along at.
First it was kind of a tough. Watch in, general
it was, cool but to, me one of it was
based back in the, day so it was kind of
hard to. Follow it was free to, watch SO i
definitely appreciate the. Recommendation that was cool to have to
go on, apps just on YouTube on THE. TV i
had to kind of watch twice to kind of like

(44:49):
get more and more details about. It it wasn't a
bad movie at. All like you, said it had boxing in,
it but it wasn't a boxing. Movie whenever you have
a movie set In, Stockton, california one of the worst
places In, america, uh you know it's gonna be some
trial and triplations because that's one of the worst places
that kind of grow up at and try to figure
out out your way. From SO i definitely got. It

(45:12):
but it was just, fast like it was really. Fascinating
it was it was better THAN i, Expected i'll put
it that.

Speaker 4 (45:18):
Way, well just for my, EDIFICATION i don't know anything About, Stockton, California,
like can you give me just a breakdown of why.

Speaker 2 (45:25):
It's one of the worst. PLACES a lot of, crime
a lot of poor.

Speaker 3 (45:28):
People it's close To, sacramento it's. Close It's stockton is
it's where boxers would come. From it's a city where
you it would produce a lot of. Boxers that's a
city where education is for the you, know all the

(45:48):
all the, vastatistics you know how it, goes all the you,
know top five in this top you, know it's one
of those where a world champion would come from because
the hope is all lost except for, boxing ext for.
Sport so it's one of those. Cities and you gotta
be tough to get throw up. There you gotta be,
tough you gotta be, strong you gotta be able to.

Speaker 2 (46:08):
Fight so all that makes, sense you know you're telling.

Speaker 4 (46:11):
Me that just makes me appreciate this movie a lot
more because it really, it's LIKE i, said it starks
a little, bit a little bit cynical about you, know
the time and trying to get out of a rough.
Situation so let me start. Here there is a style
of semis, movies especially. Dramas they're slow. Burned they don't speed,

(46:32):
spoonfoo they do not spoon feed you what's going. On
BUT i feel like when the movie's, over it's like
it's like you were looking at a tiny piece of
the picture you zoomed, out and it just hits you
like a ton of bricks what the movie was all.
ABOUT i especially felt that recently BECAUSE i watched The
conversation With Gene. HACKMAN i hadn't seen it, ever so
it's kind of the.

Speaker 2 (46:50):
Same THING i was. WATCHING i was, like all, right
what's going on?

Speaker 4 (46:52):
Here like feeling my way through these, characters the whirl
blah blah, blah and then close to the, end you're,
like it makes the whole movies just kind of come
into And Fat city does that as.

Speaker 2 (47:02):
Well Stacy keach is a farm. Worker he.

Speaker 4 (47:05):
Encouraged he's a washtup boxer who who gets into farming
because he's not, fighting he's out of. Shape he Encourages
Jeff bridges to get into. Boxing Stacy keaches inspired and
wants to get back into. Fighting but, really the THING
i liked about this most it's refreshing to watch boxers
not end up rich or. Successful this is not a
typical triumph of the human spirit type of. Ending you,

(47:28):
know we talk about a lot of, fighters a lot
of real life fighters who are huge names and make cup.

Speaker 2 (47:33):
Lines we're talking.

Speaker 4 (47:34):
About floyd, today we talked About Mike, tyson you, Know,
canelo et. Cetera but this movie is a reminder that
there are so many people who fight and fight for a.
Living do not make, it who do not become, famous
who don't even make it out of the, Poorhouse and
it was really cool to see the.

Speaker 2 (47:50):
Other side of, it you. Know and here's the.

Speaker 4 (47:52):
THING i know, that but BECAUSE i love watching you,
know boxing ON. TV i love doing the show and
talking about these. Guys so we're out there the big.
Names you forget that a lot of people just fight
in their town small, towns not ON, tv trying to
make it. Big and it's kind of it's kind of
like trying to be an. Actor you, know you got
A Brad, pitt you gotta loud. DiCaprio how many dudes

(48:12):
have been grinding trying to get you, know extra work
and trying to write screenplays who just nothing comes of.
It they're working as you, know servers IN la for
for most of their. Lives and there's there's like a
i'd call, it like a killing field of dead, careers
uh in. Boxing SO i really appreciated that that this
movie kind of uh brought that to the. Forefront and,

(48:36):
yeah you know, it it's also cool to see boxing
as LIKE i, said as a way out of a
of a messed up situation because a lot of the
guys that are.

Speaker 2 (48:48):
Big they come from from, nothing from, poverty.

Speaker 4 (48:50):
From shitty situations where they got to do. It friend
of the, Show treni A. Shoa if you go back
to our interview with, him what did he say. That you,
know there was times when you Know worrid that couldn't
pay the, rent his family couldn't pay the rent when
he was a, teenager and he went went all in
on boxing and is trying to make a name for.

Speaker 2 (49:07):
Himself you, know solid young.

Speaker 4 (49:09):
KID i expect a lot from, him but you, know
it's just the reality of the. Situation you, know you
a lot of the guys that make a big do
it because they do not want to go back to
come in from.

Speaker 2 (49:20):
Nothing so there's a lot of there's a lot of
elements of race in.

Speaker 3 (49:25):
This movie too that bestly back then it made all
the sense because back then the seventies was still the,
seventies like you, know we're still going through a. Lot
so now it definitely made. Sense BUT i want to
talk to something you just brought. Up most people out
there don't know that there's four round fights and six
round fights in. Ballrooms there's a lot of smaller fights
around the country that are ON tv that don't make

(49:49):
the newspaper where you have guys literally fighting for. Survival
there's guys fighting to the starter, career keep a career,
going and it doesn't get talked. About and old people
were regular. PEOPLE i know of someone who fought a
four round fight before AND i went because that's what friends.
Do and it changes it changes perspective a, lot, because

(50:10):
like you, mentioned most people think of the superstars when
it comes to.

Speaker 2 (50:13):
Box you don't think of the regular, guys the rank and.
File you just. Don't so when.

Speaker 3 (50:17):
You, think LIKE i, said this movie is a different
perspective because most of the movies have been around superstars
have been about guys who are, Famous hall Of fame,
fighters et.

Speaker 2 (50:25):
Cetera this is kind of, like hey.

Speaker 3 (50:27):
Man the run of the mill guy that might get
a shot on someone's, card but he's not fighting anytime
before around.

Speaker 2 (50:36):
The main, event to you know WHAT i. Mean so
it's just, Different like it's way.

Speaker 3 (50:39):
Different but, no there's a lot of fighters out there
that you will never know of that are constantly fighting
once a quarter because they still love it and they
feel in their hard hearts.

Speaker 2 (50:49):
That they're fired away from getting where're trying to get.

Speaker 4 (50:51):
To well and really there's so, many you, know opportunities
to come to just regular, guys guys with. Jobs like you,
said you know what could. Happen it's it's never it's never.
Likely becoming a superstar in any, sport in any in
acting is that it's never. Likely but when you.

Speaker 2 (51:09):
Hear these, stories you, think, well why not.

Speaker 4 (51:11):
Me it's not that the, people the fighters don't have,
skill because you got to have the skill to be up.
There it's just right, place right, time and a lot
of it is so much. Luck you could be the
best fighter in the world and just never make, it
and you can be an okay dude that just kind
of got an. Opportunity and, uh you, know like the
the keep going back to The british electrician who fought

(51:32):
to Court stevens in the last.

Speaker 2 (51:33):
Minute you, know he.

Speaker 4 (51:34):
Lost AS i said, BEFORE i remember his. NAME i
just don't feel like telling you what it. Is but you,
know after that he got signed With Eddie, hern you,
know because he made a name for himself getting out
there on a big, stage short notice shit like. That you,
know not to say that guy's career is gonna gonna go,
anywhere but crap like that happens all the, time SO

(51:54):
i can SEE i can understand that mindset of, well
if it's just the right person happened to be in the,
Room i'm at the right place WHEN i get that phone,
Call i'm gonna keep, going you. Know but it's something
it's something THAT i THAT i, understand BUT i don't
because WHEN i was in my doing my boxing, training
AND i was lean and fit as, hell and you,
KNOW i was really loving, it AND i was in the.

(52:14):
Peak if you tell, me, hey do you want to
get in a ring and like a small showcase with another,
guy you, know in, PUBLIC i would have said, yes
like one hundred, percent nothing, professional nothing. Major BUT i
would have, said, yeah you, know for four, ROUNDS i do.
IT i train as hard AS i could and go for.
It BUT i never needed to pay the bills with
boxing like with, fighting you know WHAT i. Mean it

(52:36):
was something THAT i thought would be a lot of fun.

Speaker 2 (52:38):
And would have loved to.

Speaker 4 (52:39):
Do but you just the conversation just can't be the
same thing as somebody that's gonna go hungry if they
don't get in that.

Speaker 2 (52:46):
Ring you.

Speaker 3 (52:46):
Know, no, Man, also like here's a thing there's always
hope with. Boxing boxing is the one sport where your
career can change that. Night it's the only sport that
we know that one punch can change an entire. Career
and as long as you have that opportunity in your mind's,

(53:07):
mind you.

Speaker 2 (53:08):
Feel that you're a punch away from making your.

Speaker 3 (53:10):
Career so as a, boxer if you grew, up you,
trained you, fought you may not have made it to
where you wanted to go or thought you could have.
Gone but you're one somebody pulling out of a, fight
last minute away from taking a, fight and all you
need is one.

Speaker 2 (53:26):
Punch it will change. It it will change a whole. Career.
Man LIKE i, Said i'll never forget.

Speaker 3 (53:31):
It LIKE i don't know what happened With Danny garcia
if he didn't beat A, MIRAKAN i don't know what would.
HAPPENED i don't know if his crew would play out
the same because.

Speaker 2 (53:40):
He was looked at as a.

Speaker 3 (53:42):
Afterthought remember a Mirror collins bought to Fight Floyd, mayweather
And Danny garcia was just on the roadbump to, that
and he became the road bump that popped all tires
and he had a hell of a, career you, know
Borderline hall Of fame. Career those are things that happen
Like that's why boxing is such a unique. Sport that's

(54:04):
probably why we love, it because your fortune's literally changed
with one or two punches in one.

Speaker 2 (54:09):
Night.

Speaker 4 (54:11):
YEAH I another THING i loved about this movie too
Is Stacy keach's, promoter a guy Named. Rubin you, know
Once Stacy keach gets back into, fighting he has a
very successful fight against a very well regarded Strong mexican,
boxer very, specifically and also there's talk, of you know
how there's elements there of, like, well you got this

(54:32):
white guy being in This mexican guy who's highly, favored
and how that seems to be a big point in his.
Favor but at the, end the, Promoter, rubin Pays Stacy
keach only one hundred bucks after a. Win, stacey he
just pissed, off Saying i'm owed more than. This but
then his promoter, Says i've been advancing you money to
pay for you, know hotels he been staying and you,
know taking his, cutback WHICH i DON'T i understand as,

(54:54):
WELL i understand both. Sides bobby hits, himself said the
promoter is always the bad guy in these, situations but
in this case it REALLY i, mean you know you're
you're there for the, Fight Stacy, keag you know you want,
it but you also had to get there because of
the good grace of your of your, manager so and
shady promoters and promoters getting screwed, over, sorry fighters getting
screwed over or something that we're talking about to this.

Speaker 2 (55:15):
Day like literally to.

Speaker 4 (55:17):
Day SO i really like. That another elements of, race you.
Know Susan tyrrell Plays Oma Lee, greer a complete disaster
of a, woman a hard, drinking loudvouse who will fly
off the handle.

Speaker 2 (55:30):
Anytime kind of a type of woman if we're being.

Speaker 4 (55:32):
Honest but she has a she has a black, partner
black boyfriend she cares. About he gets sent to jail
for a. While she goes on a rant at the,
bar of course about how the white race has, declined
but it doesn't to, me and you, know your mind
has may, vary but doesn't come off as like a racist,
rant but more is like the reality of how the

(55:53):
white centric world is. Changing not that the sixties and
seventies were a great time for black people in this
country by any, means but this movie is from the,
seventies based on a novel from nineteen sixty, nine and
that's only a few years after The Civil Rights, Act
so the conversation about you not white people's role in
society was very, different AND i think it bleeds into the.
Story and, again race issues in boxing are things we're

(56:13):
talking about this. Podcast that's the conceit of Why we're
The Mixed Company. Podcast two different voices from two different
races and you, know bring up these issues in professional.

Speaker 2 (56:24):
FIGHTING i really loved.

Speaker 4 (56:26):
It the film kind of really still resonates to this
day with these elements that are still still there and
it's just it's just.

Speaker 2 (56:34):
A really really well acted.

Speaker 4 (56:36):
Movie Against Susan, Tyrrell my, god there's a lot of
there's a lot of.

Speaker 2 (56:40):
Yelling in this.

Speaker 4 (56:41):
Movie a lot of flying off the handle in this.
Movie very dramatic and a little anxiety and seeing when
you just see two people about to get into a
fight and every little thing sets them, Off it's, like
what AM i watching my.

Speaker 2 (56:51):
Parents in this? Movie? Right but, YEAH i, mean any
final thoughts on this before you rate? It, NAH i
think it. WAS i think it was a good. Movie good.

Speaker 3 (56:59):
CHOICE i have at three out of. Four personally, MYSELF
i think it was a really solid. Movie LIKE i,
said it was an older, movie so it was a slower.
Burn and AS i watched last night AND i watched
it today at, work and it was more of a slower,
burn but it was good.

Speaker 2 (57:14):
Though it was done like the movie was shot very. Well,
Yes and that's the thing.

Speaker 4 (57:20):
Too you got to be in the mood for a slow,
burn you, know you can't just put one on any,
time at least for, Me i'll say. That you, know
Sometimes i'm in the mood for some stupid nineties action
vandamn thing with explosions and car, crashes AND i don't
want to Watch Fat city that, day, Right but when
you're in the mood for something like that and you
really want to want to get engaged in the, STORY

(57:42):
i think this was. Great i'm going How i'm, going,
like out of four, Gloves i'm getting like a three
three point seventy. Five, OH i really like. THIS i
it really. Resonated and again it's so different from you,
know boxing movies watch where especially with biopicks about the major,
fighters they end on a triumphant, note you. Know cinderelevan

(58:04):
cinderellvand you know his whole. Thing he was poor as,
shit he had retired to. Boxing but the big finale
is he comes back to glory with by by returning to.

Speaker 2 (58:13):
Boxing and it's not always like. That it's really not
always like, That so it's nice to see the other
side of that.

Speaker 4 (58:19):
Car so definitely check it. Out strong recommend for, me
AND i think that's gonna do it for. Today, Jamison
where can people find? You on social media And?

Speaker 2 (58:27):
Twitter at The jamison you know on? There?

Speaker 3 (58:30):
Mostly, Yeah i'm on there. HOPEFULLY i, mean we got
some more fights coming, up so it'll be. Fun but, yeah,
man always they're always looking to have a reasonable conversation with,
people so it's always good.

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