TMCP Ep 27: Can Emmanuel Jr. Carry On the Pacquiao Legacy?

Luis and Jamieson are back to discuss the latest news and events from around the boxing world, inside and outside of the ring. This week's episode focused on the news of Bud Crawford's potential retirement in the event additional superfights are not possible.

The guys debate whether they believe that becoming Bud's and what fights could potentially be on the horizon. They also discussed Manny Pacquiao's latest news, the formation of Manny Pacquiao Promotions, will be a successful venture as they kick things off with a card that features Super Lightweight prospect Manny Pacquiao Jr! 

This week's 'Pop Pugilism' segment features a breakdown of Ryan Coogler's 2015 classic, Creed. 


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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:01):
In this corner, standing at six foot five weight class unknowns,
but hailing from the city of Sins. Put your hands
together for Jamison. Well and in this then it at
five foot ten, weighing in at town and coming to
us from his super secret bunker with no ac in Tucson, Arizona.

Speaker 2 (00:18):
Put your hands together for Luis Montemo. Thank you. Welcome
back to another episode of the Mixed Company Podcast. Of course,
I'm one half of the show, Jamison, and as always
I'm joined by Luise and together we bring you Mixed
Company Podcasts. Luise, it's gonna minute, man. How's everything going,
What's new? All that good stuff?

Speaker 3 (00:40):
Man, Jamison, I'm so glad to be here recording on
our first show of October, officially the start of spooky season,
my favorite time of the year. Are you a fan
of Halloween, horror movies, all that stuff.

Speaker 2 (00:50):
I am not a Halloween person. I don't mind scary movies.
I don't really get scared a lot, but I don't
mind it. But I'm not a Halloween person. I'm not
a costume person or anything like that. So I joined
from a farm, just not like the Oh, let's go
to Halloween part of Honta houses not quite my thing,
but I'm here in spirit though.

Speaker 3 (01:10):
Perfect to be here in spirit for Halloween. Yeah No,
I love scary movies. That's honestly my favorite part is
all the decorations and stuff. I don't get dressed up either,
you know, when I do go out, I just wear
a suit. But I just love the vibe. I love
the ambiance. I love the creativity and costumes. I was
still one of my favorite costumes from back when I
was in college. It was a bunch of fret guys.

(01:32):
One guy there was like eight guys dressed like chickens
and one guy up front dress like Colonel Sanders rolling
in a group, and that was really cool. I geesuz word,
didn't I go to college. I went to college at
ASU in Tempe, Pima Community College in Tucson, University of Arizona,
and Tucson just to get a worthless political science degree.

Speaker 2 (01:53):
Howse ASU ASU was?

Speaker 3 (01:57):
How about this I had? I would have had a
lot more fun if I were of age and had
any friends. I yeah, I moved from Texas to Arizona
and didn't know anybody, and I feel like I kind
of missed out on a lot of the college experience.
Plus I had to work my way through college, so
I didn't have a lot of free time.

Speaker 2 (02:16):
So going to school for the same same that similar
story about Vegas, so I understand.

Speaker 3 (02:24):
Yeah, but no, I mean, I think when I moved
to Tucson, I ended up making more friends, getting out more,
ended up meeting our producer Jabari Davis when I was
twenty one. So let's just say he and I had
a great time in my early twenties in his mid twenties,
so you know, I didn't I didn't need the college
scene to have fun. I guess if that's if you
get my drift. Fair enough, fair enough, But anyway, Yeah,

(02:48):
let's got a lot to talk about today, so let's
dive right in. We usually get to the news first,
so let me flip through the Boxing Gazette, which is
the finest news source in the boxing world. This issue, well,
the Boxing Set actually is brought to you by Delightful
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(03:09):
twenty second Street. They're open seven days a week, so
stop by for lots of goodies and hoodies. So thanks
a lot to Delightful Smoke Shop. You know, the show's
getting some attention. I think once I was the only
guy pretty much in boxing media to say that Bud
Crawford was going to win that Canelo fight. I think
people are starting to perk their ears up.

Speaker 2 (03:26):
Honestly, I hope so, I hope. So we got sponsors.
Now we moved on up. But no, that's that's cool.
And uh, honestly, like looking back at the you were
spot on on Canelo in terms of the slow decline
of Canelo. You the way you described him. Looking back

(03:47):
on it, I'm surprised we didn't. We were not more
adamant about Crawford winning that far. I think we were
shocked that he were on decision. I think that was
the biggest thing because of hell, the fight, the cars,
so I mean going around eleven and tied, you know,
and it wasn't time like it wasn't. But you know,
looking back on its like, hey, you were really spot

(04:08):
on on the clon because most people don't understand boxers
decline and they're still winning. The only time you mentioned
a box of clients that I get knocked out or
they're getting blown out in fights. Well, you're still winning.
You're winning pretty impressively. The common person doesn't understand the
slippage of a boxer until they get exposed, and that

(04:29):
didn't happen until last month. So no, you were you
were definitely spot on about that.

Speaker 3 (04:34):
Yes, and but also let's not forget but the episode
before that fight, I straight up said, uh, Bud craft
for by decision, so and a lot of people were
giving it to Canelo, you know, I Uh, I to
be fair, I went back and forth for months, months
and months, but really when it came down to it,
I put my chips on butt and uh, you know

(04:55):
I was right. And speaking of which, I actually wanted
to start this segment at him because Bud Crawford's coach,
Bernie Davis said that Bud will return for the ring
only if he gets offered one hundred million dollar payday.
So uh, supposedly he wants everyone to fight for Undisputed
at one sixty and then Bud would take that fight.

(05:17):
You know, we've praised the man a lot. You know,
we've said that he's underrated, hasn't gotten the respect he deserves,
and I'm sure he got a really big payday from
this Canelo fight well earned. Do we think he could
pull off another one hundred million dollar payday on his
next fight? I don't think so, you tell me so.

Speaker 2 (05:36):
Only way he could get one hundred million on the
next five there's no there's one hundred million dollar fight
out there, like that's the thing you even have to anything.
I don't really want to see that fight happening in
but they ran it back on watching. So if he
wants to make a hundred million, which I understand the member,
Bud's getting up there in age. So with that being said,

(05:59):
there's not a whole lot more fights left. This last
petday was very good. He's probably set for life. I
think got fifty plus with this fight. Normally, even with
the kids, are all by one woman, except for this
last one that kind of came out the blue. No
judgment here. He should be set for life getting another
one hundred I understand it. Get it while you can,

(06:19):
because I don't know who else he could fight to
get that kind of money, Like, there's no one else
out there outside of Canelos. So I'm cool for running
it back in May. I'm all. I mean, I get it,
but there's no one hundred million dollar fight, there's no
there's no boots, there's no there's no one. There's no
there's no one who went to sixty. There's no one
who won sixty he can fight. No, there's no draw.

(06:40):
There's just no there's no one that brings the casual
boxing fan out at one sixty. The even getting we're close,
I mean, getting fifty million is is a tall task.
One hundred million, all right, thinking all the fights that
have drawn one hundred million over the last twenty years,
Floyd and packet out, Floyd McGregor, Canello and Triple G

(07:06):
didn't knew those numbers. They didn't get over they knew this,
and then of course this pass fight those aren't. You
gotta have two superstars you got You can't have once
of a star and a boxing guy don't work there.
You got to have two people to where their whole
country is talking about the fight, not just sports fans.

(07:26):
So yeah, there's no way, Yeah, no, hell no, there's
no way. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (07:30):
I mean his trainer was, you know, as as coach,
not but himself. But he's saying, well, but it doesn't
really have anything else to prove. If he's gonna come back,
it's got to be for that size of pay day.
So the implication there is Bud's ready to go. You know,
he's ready to dip, and you know, I how would
you feel about that? I think, yeah, his legacy is security,
is undefeated. You know, he beat the face of boxing

(07:53):
in a very very clear way. It wasn't one of
those like, well, you know, he could have He probably
got to give decision or whatever people say. I mean,
if he does decide to bail, you know, how do
we feel about it?

Speaker 2 (08:06):
He's not bailing. But at the same time, but has
never been the A side of a big fight, even
the fight versus Spence, even though he was a better
boxer and he was a more healthier fighter, for sure,
he was not the A side going into it. Spence's
name and brand was bigger. Now, better boxer, pulled different conversation,
But the brand what sold the fight, Who made the fight?

(08:26):
Who got to make a percentage? That was Spence obviously
going to this fight. Canelo got the bigger the percentage
of the pot. He was the A side. Crawford has
not been the A side of a mega fight. The
next fight he fights, he will be, even if him
and Canalo do a fifty to fifty split. It would
be both and they're both interests best interests to do

(08:48):
something like that. But if he wants to make a
bigger money, he has to run the Canalo thing back.

Speaker 3 (08:52):
That's the only way, right, I mean, he if I
don't think. I don't want him to retire, but I
don't think he will because what I said said after
the Mega fight was that his cache is higher than ever.
You know, so many more people know his name, No,
his skills more than anything. You can know his name,
but you might not have known. You know, what he
looks like in the ring. Very impressive performance. So I

(09:15):
know I can't see him not taking this cachet out
for a spin and see what it can do. Yeah,
not one hundred ms. There's still way. But I was
just I was interested in why his coach brought that
up and said, that's the condition.

Speaker 2 (09:27):
I'll tell you why. I'm gonna tell you why, because look,
everybody made the biggest bag they ever made a month ago.
That's why everybody, whatever check they got or whatever agreement
they had from the trainers to the corner to the
doctors and the trip, whoever's on payroll, had a very
very great day that Monday when the check cleared. So
that's why everybody saw it one hundred million because they

(09:49):
want want more, because they also know what it is. Now.
I don't get people's finances, but but those are simple life.
So I don't see him going broke. All these other people, Hell,
they can get one more b they pay, they they
gonna take it too. If they can get a six
figure check in their name, they gonna go at it.
So I get it. I understand one hundred percent.

Speaker 3 (10:10):
So I agree with you. Yeah, I totally agree with that.
I guess you're right. I mean, you get it, you
get a little taste, and you're like, damn, I want
some more.

Speaker 2 (10:18):
Like I'll do one better. I know someone who's involved
in TAYSI Furies Camp. I can't go out of his name,
but he's involved in some way, shape and form. The
amount of money he was getting paid just to be
a part of the camp was enough to basically chill
for like several years if he chose to do so.
So that's why you hear people be like, hey, yeah,

(10:41):
we got one more in this, We got we got
a nothing one in this because the money's too big.
And here's the thing. You don't know what the future holds,
so you don't know what fights might be out there
or how long you will be in demand. Because, like
we talked about when we first started the show, the
reason why this fight took place is because you can't
keep on threat all this Firelessentrones matchup, this matchup in

(11:03):
it never working out because people lose interest. Sometimes the
money just isn't there all the time. So that's why
you got to strike while the iron's hot. And that's
why it would not surprise me if we were to
see a rematch, even though I don't think we see
a different outcome, but just the monetary wise, I don't
think either fighter can do anything more to get anywhere

(11:25):
near They just left and there's another opportunity to get that.
I don't see why not.

Speaker 3 (11:31):
Yeah, I went on record as saying I do want
him to run it back. You know, just it is
a bit like I said, Chasing the Dragon, you know,
one that feeling that excitement. It's not gonna be the same,
but you know it's still people are still going to
be excited for a rematch. But again, based on what's
been said that Budd said he wants to go down
to one sixty. You know, it doesn't appear that that's

(11:52):
the case. So I don't know. It's hard to say.
I mean one thing, I'm going to make sure that
we all get correct because I've seen this an article saying,
but is the first person or only person to be
undisputed in three weight classes. He's the first male fighter,
the first person ever do that was the quote Clarissa Shields,
who went to the heavyweight division earlier this year and

(12:15):
became undisputed in three different weight classes. So make sure
we give we give the quote her flowers. But yeah,
it's it's a big big deal for bud to. He's
the only one of two people and does he want
to be undisputed at one sixty and four different weight classes.
Nobody's ever done that, and that would be that's just
I don't know. That blows my mind.

Speaker 2 (12:34):
And my thing is, you got to compromise something. So
if you want that, that's fine, but you're not gonna
get the big payday that you're looking for. That's the thing.
So you can do that, that's cool, But it ain't
no hundred million dollar fight in that division. I don't
I don't see it. I could be wrong, but I
don't see another opponent that could bring in anywhere close.
I think if Bud got twenty five million, I think

(12:58):
that would be a stretch. I think that would be impressed.
And that's not saying that's anything matchwards but at all,
that's not I'm not here for that. I'm just saying
what it what it takes to make a big fight
a big draw. You got to have two name brand
guys in that ring that people from other countries are
tuning in and paying for and talking about. And I

(13:19):
don't see that in the one sixty division. I personally
do not agreed.

Speaker 3 (13:23):
I mean, that's probably his biggest gamble, or not gamble,
just kind of what he can set his sights on
as being the only guy that's ever been you know,
the only person who's ever been undisputed in four weight classes,
and that might be what he wants to go out on,
which is cool, you know, I think he could do it.
If anybody could never bet against Budge. It's kind of
the it's kind of the kind of the the mantra

(13:44):
around these parts on this show. That's what That's what
everybody says. In my house. I love alone, but yeah.

Speaker 4 (13:51):
Yeah, but yeah, I mean I think that that would
be kind of his his big last hurrah if he
wants to kind of wind down his career.

Speaker 3 (14:01):
And yeah, he just turned I believe he just turned
thirty eight when they had a big birthday celebration in
Omaha for him. Is that what is ages now?

Speaker 2 (14:09):
Yes?

Speaker 3 (14:09):
Yes, yes, big birthday celebration in Omaha at the end
of September when, by the way, he was pulled over
by some cops and got hassled for having a gun
in the car, which Nebraska is an open carry state,
but let's be let's be real, probably opened carry for
only some people, just putting that out there.

Speaker 2 (14:27):
Yeah, and also like is Tarms Crawford Omaha, Like he's
literally the most famous person in the city.

Speaker 3 (14:35):
Exactly exactly, like what are we doing here him and
Ernie Chambers for former state representative of my gun right right? Anyway,
So yeah, let's I'm still very excited to see, you know,
what happens with Buds next move and it's the world
is oyster, so you know, really excited to see where

(14:55):
what he pulls out of his hat next, because again
mantra is don't bet against Bud all right, Next stop
another superstar name who draws big, big crowds in big money.
Many Pacquiao, my man has been in the conversation a lot.
Turns out that his son, and Manuel Pacio Junior, will
make his pro debut on his dad's new promotional company MPP. Yeah,

(15:17):
Many Pakia Promotion. So I'm wondering, is this okay? Tell me,
tell me how you feel about to So for.

Speaker 2 (15:25):
The longest time, people like Manny, like everyone talks about
Floyd money and all the other boxers getting screwed out
of money. Bob Aaron was getting funded by Many Pakiao.
All these years, Many Pakiao's fights were literally keeping top
break and floats. All right, I'm glad that many Pakia's
own promotional company. I'm glad he's doing better on the

(15:46):
business side of things because there were some one of
the biggest reasons why the Floyd fight actually happened because
Many Pakiao was struggling financially. So I'm glad that Many
has a business ide taken care of. Even though shouldn't
be fighting his ageress either here nor there. Having his
son fight is very interesting, but keeping all that in
house is very smart. If he is gonna box, have

(16:07):
it under your umbrella, and that's something that's very smart.
It makes a lot of sense on all different accounts.
So that's very cool to see.

Speaker 3 (16:14):
Yeah, you know, I'm I'm totally on board for many
having a promotional company and fighting under his own, having
his own umbrella. My only thing because of me, I'm
always wondering, is that why you came back to set
up your nipple baby son or you know, I mean,
I guess if you can, if you can set up
the family with with you know, your name and back
of why wouldn't you? But like, you know, is this

(16:35):
another Nico Ali watch situation? No?

Speaker 2 (16:37):
So here's the thing though, in boxing, you can't really
do the nepotism thing because you still got to fight.
But you can't. It's not like office job where you
just put somebody at CEO or at vice president. In
this Nah, you gotta boxing. You go do that so much.
That's why some of the most famous boxer sons have
failed because boxing gotta be in you. You can't fake boxing.

(16:59):
I can't want to more than you. If you don't
want it, you will get exposed extremely quickly. However, Manny,
being as powerful he is and as popular as he
is in the Philippines without popular is in this in
this country and around the world. Him having a promotion
company is extremely smart because there's a lot of people
the size of Mannipaciao that are fighters that aren't strong

(17:22):
enough to do UFC, but are quick and strong enough
to do boxing. That's a very, very very smart business
venture for him. I could see him doing very well.
I mean, in the Philippines, he's basically the most famous
athlete there is, so if any boxers coming up, he
automatically is going to get them. There's no way he doesn't.
So just by that, and if he's the guy that's

(17:44):
also helping with training and getting guys on the right track,
I think it's a no brainer. So I think it's
a very good thing. As long as he's nfl right reasons,
as long as he's trying to promote boxing and make
sure his boxes are ready and willing, I think it's
a great situation.

Speaker 3 (18:00):
Yeah, and I'm sure that there's a lot of trainers
everybody who wants to be, you know, working with Manny
just because of his name, you know, his legacy, cachet,
et cetera. But my thing is he's still planning on
coming backs, he says, potentially January under MPP many promotions.
Should he should he still keeping if this is his

(18:21):
next venture, and of course he's maybe trying to, you know,
settle some money issues. Does he need to keep fighting?
Does he need to come back?

Speaker 2 (18:28):
I think he's better with the money now than he
was once upon time. I know there are some tax
issues well and like ten years ago, but I think
he's better now. With that being said, the thing about
the promotion company and the fighting at the same simultaneously
is basically, you get to keep a check. So instead
of paying a promotion company X amount of dollars, that
all goes to you under your entity. So that makes

(18:51):
a lot of sense. We saw Oscar was the originator
of I know, we can slam. We can talk about
Oscar for many moons and a lot of topics and whatnot. However,
there's two things we cannot be about Oscar. One, he
was a hell of a fighter in his prime and
he fought everyone. Secondly, business wise, he was the first
one to really kind of understand it. Didn't necessarily run

(19:11):
Golden Boy the best, but in terms of understanding the hey,
I can fight and be a promoter, let me get
involved with this. He got that pretty early on, and
it made a lot of sense. Guy believed when he
fought Floyd, Golden Boy was the promotional company that was
the one promoting it. So he got the bag on

(19:31):
both ends, which is in any business venture, if you
could do that, you're running it. So pak y'all doing
that at the end here makes a lot of sense.
But also, pak yall, for a guy that is what
for a lot of guys that are five to five
one hundred and twenty five pounds, that's the guy you're
gonna be like, Oh, if he's I want to be
under him. I want to because he did it. He

(19:53):
went from one hundred and twenty all the way up
to one forty seven. Hells, I think did he fight
at one fifty four? Uh? I know one for sure,
I know that. Yeah. But yeah, So those are the
things that as a young as a prospective fighter, I'm

(20:13):
seeing a guy that was my size and made all
the money he did and everything he accomplished. I'm like, oh,
I can sign with him. It makes a lot of sense.
But on the back end here, he's at the end
of his career. He's on a fight to fight basis,
it makes a lot of sense to fight, and I'll
promote your own because you get so much more benefits
from doing so.

Speaker 3 (20:33):
Sure and say what you will about you know how
Oscar ran Golden Boy. Then my man crawled so that
you know, other fighters promoters could run. So he definitely,
uh definitely led the way. And here's the thing. I mean,
we we've never begrudged fighters, you know, trying to make
as much money as they can, because it's a dangerous sport.
It's only for the young. The only time I personally

(20:54):
begrudge them is if they decided to fight Jake Paul
for a payday and you know, ruined their their their status.
But that's neither here nor there. No, I mean, I
I wonder My thing is this, if, yes, if you
can be a promoter and have a lot of guys
that look up to you and want to be under you,
you don't really need the fight. I mean, I just

(21:16):
worry that, you know, he's gonna he looked, he looked good.
And we worry about guys getting high on their own supply,
like we said before, and not what that's happened many,
not at all. You know, Well, he.

Speaker 2 (21:25):
Can't get more embarrassed when happened back, you know, there's
nothing more he can do. There's nothing, there's nothing else
that could happen worse than the J M M four fight.

Speaker 5 (21:36):
What what happened to that fight? Jameson If you don't,
I don't remember this man. We knew that fight wasn't
going a distance. Both guys were going that fight was
going to hell one or another and one guy through
a check that missed and the other guy.

Speaker 2 (21:51):
I didn't miss n night and that was it. And
we've never nothing that ever been the same, so as
our producers as but which to back you out looking
like so, yes, yes, that's what. So there's nothing else
that could replace that. There's nothing else that can be

(22:12):
as embarrassing in the ring altside of getting knocked out
of the ring. There's nothing else that many can do
in the ring that can be more embarrassing than that.

Speaker 3 (22:19):
In my opinion, that's fair, that's fair to We've said
it before and I'm gonna say it every time. When
that clip comes up, all I hear in my head
is he's not getting up, Jim. He's not getting up,
getting up Jim. You know know, Hey, and you would
no shade. But man, you know, he he had an
amazing careers have to say that it destroyed his legacy.
He's not you know, I.

Speaker 2 (22:38):
Thought he was about to put jam on his back.
Like That's the thing. That's the that's the funniest thing
about boxing that is so great is that at any moment,
the whole for chicken change like that. There's no there's
no one of reason. It's just boxing. And the way
that the way the fight was going, they both had
in their minds that they were willing to go all

(22:59):
out for whatever's gonna happen. And yes, the names are funny,
the clips are funny and all that, but both boxes
were okay with if we if I gotta go, I
gotta go. But I'm on my best foot forward And yeah,
that was a class night.

Speaker 3 (23:14):
Yeah, there's what I've always said. I mean, there's no shame.
You go in the ring, you give it your roll,
you know. And Els and Ellen, I said, Manny's career
didn't end like the series finale of Dexter, where you know,
it ruined everything that came before. I hate that show.

Speaker 2 (23:29):
Anyway.

Speaker 3 (23:30):
Uh great, Well, you know, let's I'm excited to see,
we're still wondering if Manny's officially going to uh fight
Roly Romero in January. That's what it's looking like, but uh,
you know, no official word yet.

Speaker 2 (23:42):
But you know, also like that he's because Roly right
now is known as the as the card filler guy,
Like he's a guy that you put in there when
a guy's getting ready for the next big fight. He's
not the big fight yet. But if he beats Pack yeall,
even though Pack Yeah alls old, it's a good opportunity

(24:02):
for him because he needs it. He needs a like
la Ron and Garcia one was whatever, I don't really whatever.
He beats Pakia, it's a good look for his resume
and his situation because then he can get a co
feature event being part of the car and I see
it happening.

Speaker 3 (24:19):
Yeah, I don't feel that beating Pacio gets you know. Well,
of course, some of course some boxing fans are going
to be like, oh, you beat up in an old man,
you're not good blah. But I think Paccio, for most people,
especially the way you look coming back last fight, that's
still a big, big deal. Doesn't matter that he's an
old man now. Uh, you know, he's beating pacya still
is going to carry a lot of weight for.

Speaker 2 (24:41):
A lot of a lot of cash, a lot of cash.

Speaker 3 (24:44):
Absolutely, absolutely, So let's see what happens, uh, you know,
in the beginning of next year. So next up, what
we got here, our boy Dana White, his ZUFA Boxing
has signed a deal with Paramount Plus, where the UFC
was already going. Kind of no brainer for him. You know,
he already said he'd been trying to get into boxing.

(25:04):
He was trying to start the y zoofa boxing back.
I think it was the McGregor Mayweather fight. I don't
remember he talked about it. Yeah, nothing came out of it.
Now Canella Crawford's officially in the boxing scene. You know,
I think I don't have a lot to say about
being and White in general right now, because I think
we have material for a full episode, you know, very
very soon. About enrolled in boxing, Well that's gonna look

(25:27):
like But yeah, I mean, at the end of the day,
I've always said I love watching fights. I'll put on,
you know, any random boxer because I just love the
sport so much. If you know, Dana WIT's involved, not
my favorite, but whatever, you know, I just want more
fights accessible, easily accessible at any given time. So how
do you feel about Dana White bringing that into paramount

(25:48):
alongside DFC.

Speaker 2 (25:50):
So I think Dana White means well, I actually do.
I think he means well. I think he actually wants
to put on as many fights as possible. He's tried
with the Slap Box, with the Slap League, He's tried
with I think Baring of the Bob, He's tried a
lot of different things, So I think he means well.
I don't think his intentions are bad. I think he's
he wants to put as many matches on as possible.

(26:11):
The one thing I will give the UFC credit for,
even though it's not my particular cup of tea, and
that there's a lot of fights and a lot of
the guys are fighting a lot of the guys, which
is really good. What you want your sport to have
is dudes fighting dudes, or the contend to fight contenders.
You don't want cherry picking, you don't want random stuff.
You want guys fighting guys, and he gets after UFC.

(26:33):
But also they fight pretty consistently, and that's something that
Box has had to issue with. So having a home
and you can put fights on that's pretty what somewhat accessible.
I think there's a huge win. And also he's in
he's in partnership and collaboration with Turkey and all the
other powers that beat So I think it's a good thing.

(26:54):
We'll see how it all pans out, because one thing
getting the deal done is another thing fulfilling whatever's acts
of the deal. That's what I'm curious about. What once
the Once the deal is in action, then what is
the What do you need to do to market those flights?
How of the fights can we market it? That's where
I'm at because getting a deal done for contents not
the biggest thing in the world, But how do they

(27:17):
market it? How do we sell unknown fighters to the public?
And those are all things I'm kind of curious on.
But like for right now, I'm like you waiting ce Mode.
But it's a good I think it's a good thing
because boxing doesn't didn't have home up until this, So
that's a good thing, right. My only thing that kind
of and it could be a minded complaint. It's not
even a complaint. It's more just like a bummer of it.

Speaker 3 (27:38):
It's just that the big news was UFC huge multi
billion dollar deal with Paramount Plus, and I guess we'll
add boxing into the mix. It's like a little bonus,
you know. It's like get a little toy at the
bottom of the cereal box kind of a thing. And
I don't know, it just kind of makes it buzz
me out that boxing is boxing's you know, status is

(27:59):
just so so lowered next to UFC.

Speaker 2 (28:02):
If CBS can put on the Big Three Basketball on weekends,
they can put on boxing on the weekends. And that's
no disrespect to any of the former NBA players and
basketball players that are playing in that league. But you
can have boxing on the weekends in them time plots
as well in the summer. So I think there's an
avenue in a way to make things work. But a
couple of things boxers gotta do. They part. The boxers

(28:24):
are not doing a good enough part of marketing themselves.
It's one thing to win in the ring, but these
guys are kind of boring now. And I mean, I
don't want you being Adrian Browner. I don't want you
to be in that. But we don't have nobody being exciting.
There's there's no there's not a whole lot of energy.
We're we're missing that. Now. There's a couple of guys
that have some, but we're missing a lot of umph

(28:45):
as a lot of our boxes, and we need somebody
that people want to see right now. Just feel like
guys are all about making a bag and then disappearing.
We need guys that want the limelight, that are that
bring energy to a table. And until that happen, we're
gonna have keep on having the same discussions.

Speaker 3 (29:02):
Sure, and I think I feel this is my opinion.
I think there are a lot of guys out there
that are just not as many avenues.

Speaker 2 (29:08):
Now.

Speaker 3 (29:08):
We've talked before about how you know, we don't see
the guys that are seven or no at three pm
on cards. You know, the way to see that most
recently was a fight on ESPN, But you sign up
for ESPN plus the stream the early stuff, and now
that's gone. So you know, I we talked last episode
about you know, guys on overtime boxing. You know, sure

(29:29):
it's broadcast on his own. You know, they seem to
have some a very good production, but you know, the
regular lay person doesn't know about that. I had to
find them through Instagram randomly. They even got a good
online social media presence. They just to do a lot
of memes, a lot of funny videos, all that stuff.
They're good at what they do. And when the fighters

(29:50):
that I saw a few weeks ago, you know, they're hungry,
they look like killers. You know, they were tough, they
were exciting. But you got to tell people find overtime
on YouTube streaming, you know whatever, if you have the zone,
find that if you if you do have that, you know,
find over time. Blah blah blah. So I think it's
just it's just the ability to get access to things

(30:11):
now that that's really hurting the up and coming guys.
I think. I think there's a lot of dudes who
and ladies who could make it big. They're just kind
of doing their best on TikTok and Instagram, you know.
And that's that's great, that's used. That's that's necessary. But
that that does not a superstar make unless you're you know,
a singer, like a musician who who has something go viral.

Speaker 2 (30:35):
Right, No, I agree hundred percent. And as we need more,
we need more stars and need guys fight more. But
being on Paramount Plus, which is a CBS app in
a sense, is the start, but we need guys that
are allowed, like we need productive loud, not unknowing loud,
but we need productive loud or where people know who
you are, but you're respectful be loud. So hopefully that

(30:58):
comes up soon and later. But anything that puts more
fights on.

Speaker 3 (31:02):
TV on for a great I mean, you know, I'm
not a big fan of Dana White and his way
of doing business. And like I said, we can talk
about more about that in a future episode. But at
the end of the day, you know, we're dealing with it.
We were dealing with talking about a sport that we love.
We're working class guys doing this working class podcast about
this this sport that we're super passionate about. But this

(31:25):
is not something that you know, this is sport with
money from the Saudis, from people that have been screwing
over fighters for a long time, not the best people.
I mean, we're kind of there's no like, I don't know,
like a small batch, you know, locally owned boxing promotion
that we can build up. It's always going to be
somebody is attached to it that's not a great guy,

(31:46):
doesn't have a great history, and it sucks. You know,
we're living in a world where ten thousand brands are
owned by three or four corporations, and Boxing is not
immune to that. Nothing is immune to that anymore, you know.

Speaker 2 (31:56):
And this is all their fault too, that's the thing.
It's got all been avoided. We've had a lack of
organization at the top for a very long time. For
the longest time, the biggest promotion companies were in beef
with each other instead of in collaboration with each other.
If the heads at the top could have all came
together and said, hey, this is how we're going to
do businesses, how we're going to do things, it would

(32:17):
have been we've been a lot better off, a whole
lot better off. But there was so much infighting. There
was so much beef, There was so much distraction amongst
other things. And here we are because UFC, so they're credit.
They don't have those issues at the top. There's not
a lot of dissension. They got other issues, but their
issues aren't about the organization and the structure. Boxing lacks

(32:40):
structure because it felt like one promotion company did this thing,
one one did that thing, other ones below it did
their own thing, and no one was on the same page,
which it all ended up Heart of the Sports basically
a thousand different paper cuts which ended to what we
have now. So hopefully it gets better, but we still
have some holes to film, sure.

Speaker 3 (33:00):
And it's the thing that I like the idea of
in boxing is, yeah, there's a lot of different promotional companies,
a lot of guys coming in like Oscar doing this
where yeah, they should have been collaborating more and kind
of lifting up the industry so that they're The thing
I don't like so much is you know about UFC
as this one guy at the top, what he says
goes and it kind of every fighter has to fall
in light. You know, there's a lot of opportunities to

(33:21):
make a name Canelo. Guys that Canelo can choose their
own fighters or choose their opponents rather you end up
with a big fight changes the life, like but Crawford type,
he can write his own ticket. You know, that's the
thing that boxing had always had that UFC doesn't right now,
and it's looking like boxing is having that opportunity less
and less. But again, we can just go back to

(33:43):
the same conversation of it's because guys aren't fighting enough
and aren't making a name for themselves. So it's like
it's a chicken or the egg thing. You know, are
you are you not able to make a name for
yourself because you're not fighting as often? Or do you
have less opportunities to get your name out there because
there's places to find boxing? I mean, my god, uh
you know we're here, were still and I'm gonna say
it every damn episode until it happens. Where the hell

(34:05):
is Top Rank box is gonna be shown? God damn yeah.

Speaker 2 (34:09):
And that's the thing. Also, who takes over for Bob
Aaron once his time comes? Why there's no successor why
you know we talk about Golden Boy and uh PBC
and all these other companies, but what happens with Top
Rank and Bob Aram after his day comes?

Speaker 3 (34:26):
Yeah? What in the.

Speaker 2 (34:28):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (34:28):
Is he his?

Speaker 3 (34:29):
They always you know, make a big deal about his
birthday like he's over ninety now right right around there?

Speaker 2 (34:34):
Yeah him and yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 (34:37):
Here's here's my prediction on Bob Aaron is that nobody's
making uh, nobody's playing plans for the future because folks
like that just kind of I don't know, if they
money makes you assume they're going to be around forever.
Maybe Bob Aaron really believes that he's going to be
two hundred years old, and they don't think about the future.
You know.

Speaker 2 (34:55):
Yeah, that's true. That's true.

Speaker 3 (34:58):
Binds me of Batman when the Joker shoots at Card
and says, think about the future. Oh wow, and none
of these people. I just thought that. I just rewatched
that a couple of weeks ago, so I hear that
in my head. But no, I honestly, like, honestly speaking,
you know, I think a lot of people at the top,
including our politicians, you know, not to get too too
into that. People just kind of sit there and ride

(35:18):
the way because they got this history legacy and they
don't think about who's going to take over once, you know,
our ninety year olds are up and gone. So true anyway, Okay,
let's see next up. We got here, all right. Millions
dot co an official partner of nineteen media group, our
network that is gracious enough to have us on or sorry,

(35:41):
have me on even back when I didn't know what
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were on there, and they're actually having a pay per
view event on October eighteenth, featuring Danny Garcia. He's winding
down his career. It's the promotions says that he's saying
goodbye to Brooklyn Denny. Garcia has been very inactive in

(36:04):
the last like five years, only fought a handful of times.
You know, Bip, just want to see how you feel
about this upcoming paper U stream on this platform.

Speaker 2 (36:13):
It's very interesting. You know, Danny Garcia had a hell
of a career for what his skill set and his
overall talents are like, you know, for how he came
up his big breakthrough versus American and where he took
that and rode with it. Hell of a career. I
don't know if he's a boxing Hall of Famer. I
don't know if it's that kind of career, but he's
predamn good. Like he's very very good. But yeah, hell

(36:37):
of a hell career, a lot of good fights, a
lot of big fights. He's also a guy that made
a lot of money. When you make a lot of money,
you're not as active like He's probably one of the
poster children for hey, I made a lot of money.
I used to fight a couple of times a year,
and not only fighting once over eighteen months, which hey,
I get it. And also here's the thing too, I
don't know how his body's reacting to fights, so his

(36:58):
body made take six want us to recover, I don't
Those are questions I don't know. I'd love to talk
to him about those things, because it's interesting when guys
are trying to make their name, they're more active, but
once he hit to a certain age, they may take
more time to recover. So those are all things we
have to kind of factor in as well. But at
the same time, he made a lot of good money
under PBC. He was had a lot. He was headlining
a lot of those East Coast fights, whether they're in

(37:20):
Brooklyn or Masis Square Garden, Philly. He was headlining a
lot of those big, big fight weekends on PVC, was
pumping money into the sport. So I know he did
well financially, did very well in the ring as well.
But yeah, very very good fighter. It's funny how I
think it was twenty twelve when he fought con and

(37:40):
then thirteen years later he's at the other end of
his career. It all makes sense. But it's time, you know,
it's we We're so accustomed to the Floyds and the
Crawfords and the Pacialls fighting so long. The normal time
for a Boxtions once the mid thirties come around, that's
pretty much about it. Like that's it. That's normally a career,
which what's just fine.

Speaker 3 (38:01):
I mean, once the mid thirties come around for us,
just as regular dudes, you know, our knees don't work
the same. You know. I still remember when our producer
Jubarie Davis, who's old as hell, like way older than us,
like he's ancient, probably like in his mid forties, he
told me, when you know what, recovery time is gonna double,
And man, was he right. It's not like I didn't
believe him, but you believe it, but you don't really

(38:24):
understand it until it happens, you know. And I'm talking
about recovery time for the gym, for hangovers, for anything,
you know, for a long night, oh everything, everything. So
you know, yeah, it's got just my admiration for these
guys who are still fighting mid thirties but canelo you know,
close to forty. It's it's just amazing the fact what
they can do. And you know, I really think I

(38:46):
think and I'll include myself because I'm a snarky little
bit sometimes. You know, we can kind of clown fighters
for not looking as good in the ring as they
get older, maybe you getting dropped this and that. But
at the end of the day, no matter what, I
still respect the hell out of anybody that gets in
that ring period, you know. Yeah, And you can't just
do it. You know, you don't see guys whether they're

(39:09):
you know, over the hill, whether their skills are kind
of diminished over the years. I don't know. You still
don't see guys coming in there like fat, hungover, you know,
into that ring. They're still training as hard as they can.
So yeah, I mean, you know, I I think it's
cool that Danny Garcia wants to cap his career with
a big fight on this platform. Do I think it's necessary.

(39:30):
I mean, you can't just kind of like say thanks
for the memories and walk off. You know, we don't
want anybody to get hurt. I just hope that, you know,
at the end of the day, it comes back to
hope guys aren't too high on their own supply to
get like really injured because it's a big deal and
being as inactive I don't know that life, of course,
you know, but I can't imagine that no matter how

(39:53):
hard you work out in the gym for two years,
being out of the ring makes a big difference. It's
not the same thing, you know what I mean, Like,
if you're not at the rink twice a year, I
feel like he can't can't possibly be the same thing.
I don't care if you're working out seven days a week,
you know, four hours a day.

Speaker 2 (40:09):
I three hundred percent with you. That's something where it's
a tall task. Man, it's a very tall task. With
that being said, he's had a hell of a career
from before the con fight to now. Man, Yeah, it's
a hell of a ride for a guy that done.
He has a great left hook, but when you look
at him, he's not like an overly he's not like

(40:31):
a big power guy. He's not an overly fast guy.
But he's a hell of a boxer for what his
skill said. Oh and it actually is so nah, kudos
to him from being ended on his terms, not getting retired.
You know, some guys get retired. He's going on his terms.
That's that's pretty cool.

Speaker 3 (40:48):
And you know, on that note, since we're bringing up
a mere con you know, he also can be sort
of a punchline and uh, you know, it does kind
of suck that you're on every single Canelo fight reel
is getting slept or sorry, that's up. His eyes were
open when he hit that canvas.

Speaker 2 (41:05):
I was actually at that fight, and yeah, yeah, I
was at that fight. And yeah, the thing is, it's
like any boxing fight, you can kind of tell, all right,
the favorites about to close the show. Here he's just
timing everything. He's timing everything, and then once it happened,
it was like, oh, yeah, this is over. But yeah, yeah,

(41:27):
Kn's defense and lack of a jaw pause is man
one of the biggest wit IFFs because if he would
have had any kind of defense and if he was
able to the funniest thing about the con the con
Garcia fight is this, if he wins that fight, he
fights Floyd. At the time, that's what people wanted to see.

(41:48):
That was in big demand. Con had the people from overseas,
a huge fan base overseas, another big money fight. But
when that didn't happen, he never really recovered from that.
And yeah, the Canelo fight was what it was, and
then that was all she wrote.

Speaker 3 (42:03):
Sure, and that all of that is true and fair.
What I was actually getting on is that, you know
a Mirka still deserve respect. You know he I just
looked it up. Thirty four wins, six losses. You know,
he's had a good career and you know he's he's
a big name in British boxing, the pick name in
in uh Southeast Asian boxing. You know, the man, like
I said, deserve respect, and yeah, like I still kind
of like it's more just like, let's say this if

(42:27):
I got my ass kicked on even just like somebody
like filming it out on the street and putting it
on Instagram, And that just kept coming up over and
over and over, you know, every every every twice a year,
you know, they show a little highlight of me getting
my ass slept and put down on the sidewalk. That
would suck. That's gonna suck, you know that that and
you know that is an amazing knockout from Canelo when

(42:49):
when con hit the hit the canvas, so he.

Speaker 2 (42:52):
Knocked the hell out. That's the issue. That's a knockout,
so white.

Speaker 3 (42:55):
Yeah, but what was that? What was the via butt?
That fight?

Speaker 2 (42:57):
Like it was so I knew what was gonna happen,
but it was kind of uneasy after around like four,
like people kind of felt, you know, like at the time,
I probably think Colin fight went the fight early on,
and he'd be honest with you. However, again, when you
watch the fighter's like, okay, well, well you see what's going.
You see what's happening. Canelo wasn't phasing all by anything

(43:17):
Colin was doing. It was that Colin more active, doing
the typical American stuff, more active speed, athletic system, all
that showing leading, you know, leading like he does. And
then you know, Canal was just timing and everything and
then all she wrote and then it went like oh
and then and that was when T Mobile first opened,
so it was like, I want to say, probably the

(43:39):
first big fight at that arena because yeah, it was
right around that time. So yeah, but you know, and
that's that's why I knew Canelo is really that guy,
because he brought everybody out. Everybody named Mama was out,
like from here overseas casual fans. He brought them all out,
and I mean all the all the beautiful Mexican women

(44:03):
and other Spanic women. He brought them out. And I
mean if you if you partake in Mexican and other
Hispanic and Latin women, that was the place to be
for that weekend. They were all out and they were
dressed to impress. They were out. So yeah, for those
who enjoy looking at beautiful women. I don't know how

(44:24):
many more fights Cano has left in the States, but
I do advise you, if possible, be in the city
wherever he's fighting at in the States going forward.

Speaker 3 (44:33):
Man, on that note, you know, just fore, I love
going to like concerts, Mexican concerts and just even Phoenix
and the ladies, you know, a popular musician and ladies
come out dressed to impress.

Speaker 2 (44:43):
Man.

Speaker 3 (44:44):
Yeah, it's it's always a night to remember. And it's
not just for you know, the show on stage. You know,
the ladies out there. It is, it is. It is
a sight to see. But two Santejano concerts were always
the spot as well. Okay, okay, yeah, yeah, so yeah,
anything like that. Man, you're you're right now. It's we're
not gonna just lose an amazing fighter. When we lose Canelo,

(45:05):
we're gonna lose the draw that he brings in. But yeah, anyway,
just kind of bring it all back. Actually, I can't
believe that I didn't remember this because I read this
many times and again it's probably just kind of goes
to show that we don't, you know, just kind of
don't give a mere con the respect to deserve. He's
the only dude to have fought both Canelo and Bud Crawford,

(45:27):
Like he fought them both.

Speaker 2 (45:29):
Did you know that? Yeah, yeah, that's that's a good call,
great call. Wow.

Speaker 3 (45:35):
Yeah, So he was in the ring with both of them,
and you know, he he went up by classes to
fight Canelo and you know, lost the boat. But yeah,
you know he got in the ring with two of
the best fighters of their generation you know these days,
so that that takes a lot. And even if he
didn't pull out the w.

Speaker 2 (45:52):
No respect to him.

Speaker 3 (45:53):
Again, you know, I don't want to be super snarky
with the guy because he takes it in good stride.
You know, he makes jokes about it. I think there's
something I might have said this before. Somebody said he
was using like form and enhancing drugs and he said,
if I took PDS, I would have been a better fighter.

Speaker 2 (46:09):
Yeah, yep, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 (46:12):
But anyway, we started this part of the segment talking
about Tanny Garcia versus Danny Gonzales. But just a reminder
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(46:36):
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(46:57):
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is a lot like a bad movie. It can suck,
but if you get together with friends and you drink,
you can at least have a good time while the
movie sucks. What about other things? Can you do other things?
You can have any sort of caveat you want. But
I mean, I just more mean do you guys want
to get together and just watch bad movies and make

(47:17):
fun of them.

Speaker 2 (47:18):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (47:18):
I do that anyway by myself. Might as well doing together. Ooh,
I'll get severe bullets. I think we can start a podcast, guys,
I think we should. I have a great name for it,
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And you can tell there's no actors on this podcast,
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Thanks guys. These guys have been big supporters of our
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talking about Creed from twenty fifteen. Ten year of this

(48:00):
movie is coming up. It was out in November, and
I've got here the exclusive Steal book with Creed one
and Creed two. If you haven't checked this out on YouTube,
definitely do that. You know a little import here Now,
this movie probably doesn't need a lot of introduction. It's
essentially Rocky seven. It was directed by Ryan Coogler, who

(48:21):
has been absolutely crushing it in the last decade and
especially this year. If y'all haven't seen Sinners, it's ranked
my number one movie of the year so far. A
lot of things have come real close to knocking it
down from the spot, but it hasn't happened yet. As
of October twenty twenty five, Sinners is still the number
one and I have I can say so much about

(48:43):
the movie. I could have done a whole episode just
talking about Creed because it is my favorite boxing movie.

Speaker 2 (48:48):
It is.

Speaker 3 (48:49):
This is top tier. It's It's not just a great
boxing movie. It is a great movie as far as
I'm concerned. And I'm gonna go off on this movie
a lot. So James and I just want to you.
Have you seen it? Did you see what it came out?
What are your thoughts on this movie and in its
place in the Rocky franchise?

Speaker 2 (49:07):
Saw it in the theaters, saw it recently, And like
anything else, if you put the money and energy behind
something that's really good, it will have good numbers, it
will have a good showing. You can tell some We've
talked about a lot of boxing movies over the last
year or so, on this show. This is the one

(49:28):
that had all the emphasis behind it, had the money,
had star power, had resources, had a great storyline, had
great acting, had all the things that hey, man, if
you put it, they will come. And to be honest
with you, man, we need more of this. This is
what we need. I'm glad you actually chose this movie

(49:50):
because this actually makes boxing look dope, not just the
stuff in the ring, but the storytelling of boxers. We've
gotten away from knowing where guys came from in boxing.
We've gotten away from the struggle stories of boxers. We've
gotten way away from it where we don't tell the

(50:10):
story of how they got to this point. All that
movie had everything that we grew up on when it
came to boxing. So to me, Creed is an amazing film.
Get that way till the end of the segment. Is
a four out of four in a lot of ways.
If I give it four plus, I would, But no,
that movie is if I gave somebody that's a casual

(50:33):
person that doesn't really watch boxing, I would give them
that movie to give them more emphasis on learning more
about the sport, learning researching more. Even though Rock is
a fictional character and Creed is technically a fictional character.
The movie itself would have a non boxing fan doing
more research and asking more questions about the sport.

Speaker 3 (50:57):
Yeah, man, one hundred percent agree. So my thing with
this movie, you know, I well just really creaking case.
Like I said, it doesn't need a lot of introduction,
but it is. In the Rocky franchise, Michael B. Jordan
plays a Donnis Creed, Apollo Crete's son from an affair
that he had. Apaula Creed died before little Donnie as

(51:17):
a Column was born, mother died when he was young,
ends up in group homes, foster homes, you know, Juvie
and Paula Creed's wife played amazingly by Felice Suverershad takes
him in and it's his story. It's essentially the first
Rocky but with this character, you know, trying to make
a name for himself, underdog fighter gets a chance for

(51:39):
a big, big fight and then you know, honestly, the
details don't even matter because it's we all know the story,
but goes the distance, doesn't win, but gets the moral
victory proven himself. So my thing with this movie is,
I actually didn't see it when it first came out
and it's grown on me. I did like it when
I first saw it. I did not go to see
it in theaters, I'll admit I was when I heard

(52:02):
it's like, oh, a new franchise with you know, Apollo
Crete's son. I was like, what is this shit? What
kind of hacky garbage are they gonna put out where
they just like try to make a franchise out of anything,
like come on. Didn't know Ryan Kuegler back then. This
movie is very much a I apologize, Ryan Couegler. I
was not familiar with your game. I really liked the

(52:23):
movie when it came out, but it took another watch
or two when I really grew to love it. Like, yeah,
same thing. We always rate movies out of four gloves.
At the end of the segment, this one is four plus.
The thing with me that kind of took me a
sec to get into it is that the character Creed
a Donnas Creed, like I said, he was adopted by

(52:45):
Felicia Shod and grows up with the Creed millions. You know,
he's in a mansion. He's a little rich boy, still
tries to make his own name, become a fighter without
using the Creed name, and it kind of seemed like
it didn't really it was sort of moving away from
the story of a fighter that like needs the fight

(53:06):
to get out of like a tough situation. Yeah, And
at first I was I thought it was kind of hokey.
I'm like, well, he's kind of a little rich boy. Yeah.
But what when I really turned the movie turned a
page for me. Is when I realized, oh wait a second,
the racial economic issues class struggle is to the point,
it's daddy issues. This movie is daddy issues all the way.

(53:27):
And I got that shit in spades. So not in
the same way, you know, my I don't know what
it's like to grow up without a father. My issue
was that he was around. But I stick with it,
sticks with me. I mean, the movies and the daddy
issues of stuff will be all my life. So that
really is when it really started connecting, and I was like, oh,
I get it. It's it's it really clicked.

Speaker 2 (53:49):
You know.

Speaker 3 (53:49):
There's a scene where he plays the YouTube video of
Apaulla Crete fighting Rocky Michael be Jordan's shadow boxing against
his father, and I'm like, I thought about fighting my father,
you know, for decades. My god, things like that really
kind of raised the movie's esteem in my mind. Yeah,
A mazing written by Ryan Coogler as well, co written,

(54:10):
just really captures the It's a movie that will bring
in fans of Michael B. Jordan, people interested in Rank Coogler,
and then fans of the Rocky franchise. You know, I've
not I wouldn't say I'm a huge Rocky fan. People
kind of overestimate that franchise. The first movie is a
good movie. I think they kind of put it too
high of a pedestal, but it does. Creed does kind

(54:34):
of treat that franchise and legacy with respect in a
way that you know fans aren't going to be put
off and say like, oh, you know you're giving him
the short short shift. You know, Sarsloan is in this movie,
and he does have put in a great performance. I
don't know how how you feel about I think I
believe he was nominated for an Oscar for this movie. Yeah,

(54:55):
So I want to see how you feel, just in
general about how the Rocky frand as a whole is
kind of seen in our culture.

Speaker 2 (55:02):
So I don't like Rocky. I'm gonna be first and
the reason why is because the premise of it is
you have a white heavyweight champion. At the time it
was first create a late seventies, the division was dominated
by black fighters, so this was basically a way to
put a white heavyweight champ in things when black fighters

(55:25):
were running things. So when you look at it like that,
it's like, I see the scenor motive. However, that being said,
keeping it just movies only, I think it's a dope
movie situation. I think it's a dope movie. The whole boxing.
I love boxing, the way it's a movie. I don't
like that he had a statue in Philly before Joe Fraser.

(55:46):
I thought that was crazy. I thought, I still think
it's crazy. With that being said, the movie itself was
a dope boxing movie. It's dope because it's again storytelling,
shows a journey. There's stories, there's failure, there's family stuff,

(56:06):
there's a lot of compelling things that go on and
on and on. So it showed that. Now again the
whole theory and the way it came about, but in
the time it came out, I'm not really here for
because it's like, hey man, you got a random white
underdog guy from Philadelphia fighting a black fighter who was
a champ like a man. We've tried this many times.

(56:30):
We know what sells. But again, in the late seventies,
I get it. But Creed was a hell of a
remix to the whole brand. And you can't talk about
the Rocky brand out Rocky Brown without mentioning Creed. And
I think it's really really good. And Michael B. Jordan
was known for the longest time. You know, He's done
a lot of other things as being the guy from Creed,

(56:52):
like that was one of his biggest roles was being
Michael Jordan from Creed, the Creed actor. You know. So
those are things that you really can't take away. But
the whole Rocky brand is very strong terms of movie listing,
and you know whatnot it has a really good filmography
under its brand.

Speaker 3 (57:12):
Yeah, I think the movies are popular. The movies are
popular for good reasons and for bad reasons. I think
they have a lot of you know, cultural touchstones. You know,
of course, you know, the training montage usually specifically came
from that. You know, the music's iconic, et cetera, et cetera,
et cetera. But yes, I'm with you, and I do
believe that it was propped up because it was a

(57:35):
fantasy white heavyweight fighter. And here's the thing, you say,
fighting a chant from Philly, not just that Apaula Crete
is very specifically supposed to be Muhammad Ali, Like he's
a Muhammad Ali standard. And so that's kind of the
why I think it gets a lot more do than
it deserves. As you know, yeah, the same thing with
a rocky statue in Philly, like please, like please, that's ridiculous.

Speaker 2 (57:59):
You will never be able to explain that one to me. Like,
for what Joe Fraser did as a boxer, for everything
he accomplished for his career, for him not to get
a statue first is criminal. And I get it, like
movies are very popular, I get it, I understand, but

(58:20):
hey man, look here, Joe Fraser, Joe Fraser, man, Joe
Fraser literally fought the fight of You can make an
argument that the first Ali Fraser fight is basically the
best boxing match ever when you combine everything. The whole
thing I mean, they've done documentary is about that fight.
So come on, what are we doing here? And the

(58:41):
fact that he won, by the way, so what are
we doing? You know, what are we doing here, you know, like,
what are we doing here? So yeah, man, I'm not
I'm not rolling.

Speaker 3 (58:51):
Yeah, And I think that you know, the Creed, the
movie Creed specifically, you know, it gets into fighting in
a way that I don't know for me. And I've
seen all the Rocky movies and I've seen, you know,
the downfalls of it, the dangers getting her blah blah.
But nothing in this in any other boxing movie actually,

(59:12):
for me personally, hits as hard as Felicia Rashad telling
Michael B. Jordan, you know when he says that he
wants to fight, and she's, you know, pissed off because
his father of Paula Creed died in the ring, tells him,
do you know how many times I've had to help
your father up these stairs because he couldn't walk? Do
you know how many times I had to wipe his
ass because he couldn't use his hands?

Speaker 2 (59:32):
Like that?

Speaker 3 (59:32):
Shit is just like the fact that they put those
lines specifically in a boxing movie where you're supposed to
root for the boxer is just wild to me.

Speaker 2 (59:41):
You know.

Speaker 3 (59:41):
They nothing is as like visc role as those two lines,
and it's it's just amazing, like it and the fact
that you know, to the character, it doesn't matter, you know,
he still wants to fight, and a little personal connection
that I had, like yeah, like twenty one when I

(01:00:02):
was like starting twenty twenty one, when I was doing
my own boxing training, nothing serious, just doing it for fun,
started sparring, getting my ass absolutely kicked, and I loved.
I had so much fun. I loved it. And I
was telling myself like, you know, whatever this will heal,
it'll be good. I knew in the back of my
head and every side of my head I could get
seriously injured because I was I was a mid thirties

(01:00:24):
back guy. You know, uh never did anything as hard
as boxing. But I loved it. And you know, I
saw the movie and I was like, damn it. I know,
like I get it. I get it, you know, even
for somebody that's not even anywhere close to taking you know,
boxing seriously. Like I just had so much fun going
into that gym and getting back. Asking didn't matter.

Speaker 2 (01:00:45):
I was back.

Speaker 3 (01:00:46):
I came back the next day and the next day,
and you know, did it for a few years. Took
a break just to focus on getting fat again, you know,
reconnect with my roots. But you know, just seeing the
passion in the character and Michael B. Jordan's acting like
I hard at a really like solid time when I
needed you know, twenty twenty was a tough time for
a lot of people, myself included. I got super fat,

(01:01:07):
super depressed about it, you know, pushing myself to get
it into the gym and going hard bro and you know,
doing this of all things. I wasn't just like, I
don't know, sitting there doing push ups like I was
doing all the crazy stuff and you know, getting punched
in the face over and over. This movie was very
very inspirational to me personally, and it really it just
guy said, got better and better with here with a

(01:01:29):
few years. I actually wasn't even gonna watch it for
this episode because I know it's so well but I
was like, well, why would I turn out an opportunity
to watch you know, this movie again because I love
it so much? Put it on. It's just over two
hours flew by like that. I didn't feel the length
wasn't more. Wasn't like, oh this movie again that I've
seen five or six times. Man, I can just watch

(01:01:52):
it over and over and it's it's amazing. And yeah,
the performance. And yeah, Michael B. Jordan, you know, he
was in the Wire as a kid. I watched him
on Friday Night Lights, the TV show as like a teenager.
Before this, he was in that god awful Fantastic Four
that I couldn't even finish. I couldn't watch the whole thing,
absolute garbage. But then this movie came out, and that's

(01:02:14):
what made Michael B. Jordan who he is, you know,
this guy, him and Ryan Coogler, his collaboration in this
movie specifically, like this is what made him the guy.
You know, this what made him a household name. And
I'm really glad that that garbage fantastic for a movie
did not hurt his career in one bit. And then
we've all forgotten about it. But yeah, so much, like

(01:02:37):
I said, I could talk for a full hour on
this about this movie. But one thing I wanted to mention.

Speaker 2 (01:02:41):
A couple of things.

Speaker 3 (01:02:42):
I never liked Tessa Thompson before this movie. I first
saw her in Veronica Mars the TV show when she
was younger, kind of a one note mingo character. It
wasn'tuntil this movie that I realized, oh, she actually is
a great actress, has some great range, can you know,
be very dynamic, played a great character. So that completely
turned me around, complete one ady on Testa Thompson, which

(01:03:05):
I'm happy about. Tony Bellew is the guy that plays
the main and tags the main challenger in the movie
Pretty Boy Ricky conn.

Speaker 2 (01:03:18):
So.

Speaker 3 (01:03:18):
Tony bellew is a professional British boxer who plays pretty
Ricky Conlin in this movie the main attagonists have you
do you know this guy? Have you heard about him
at all?

Speaker 2 (01:03:29):
No? No, I'm not.

Speaker 3 (01:03:32):
Yeah, I looked him up, you know. He so he
was a cruiserweight champ WBC had the WBC belt. So
he's a legit fighter. But it always makes me laugh.
You know. He goes into the ring for the big
final fight Michael B. Jordan looking like he does just
insanely jacked fourteen pack apps. The arms aren't guns, they're cannons,
and then Tony Belly takes off his robe and my man,

(01:03:53):
I could be shaped like him in like four weeks
of working hard. You know, I know he's a legit fighter.
The front is like flat, like a cardboard box. His
arms are like cylindrical. Again, he's talented. I'm not gonna
take it away, but I could look like Tony Bellue in
this movie after just give me, like I said, four
weeks of working hard and I could. I could tell

(01:04:14):
the ladies I'm shaped like a professional boxer. I just
wouldn't tell them which one.

Speaker 2 (01:04:18):
Wow Wow.

Speaker 3 (01:04:20):
And then you look at MPJ and here, like the
man is just just insanely cut, huge, like protruding man.

Speaker 2 (01:04:28):
He took the role seriously.

Speaker 3 (01:04:30):
He took the role seriously. And yeah, you know, no
disrespect to Tony Belly. Like I said, if my man
is a champion, he's a legitimate fighter. MBJ was not.
But it just it never won't make me laugh when
he takes that robe off and it's just like you so,
but hey, you know, it takes all kinds and of
course the man had skill. But but yeah, I could,

(01:04:52):
I could. I could look like professional boxer Tony Bellue
at the time this movie was filmed that he was
still fighting, like he he won the WC belt like
the year after. It's not like he retired and was
just kind of you know, chilling. So but you know,
good performance from him. Andrew andre Ward is in this
for a little bit, yep, and the sequel. A lot

(01:05:14):
of people from the boxing world stitched durand the cut
man is in this who I love because he looks
exactly like Edward Jim's almost to the point where you
think it is him in the movie. But but yeah, man, Scott,
I I it's like, I don't I don't even know,
like what what to say in the short time, short

(01:05:36):
pier that we have about this movie. That just like
I could just go on and on and on, so
I won't do that, you know, a rap, But I'll
just say, like, if you have not seen Creed, you
know it is a strong recommend if you're not a
boxing fan and you want to see a great movie
with some you know, well directed fights. Oh and we
can't forget the first major fight that Creed is in

(01:05:59):
completely one shot, like there's no cuts. It is one
is a winner. It did cheat. It filmed the round
for two minutes, not three. I counted. I looked at
the timing. But that's okay, really well choreograph fights, great
direction from Ryan Cougler. Just you know, there's a reason
that my Man Coogler is, you know, one of the

(01:06:21):
one of the best modern directors, one of the best
younger modern directors, MBJ, one of the best stars of
our generation. Yep, my Little Steel Book here has Part
one and two. I really like Part two. Not as
good as the first one, but I really really dug it.
Have you actually have you seen any of the sequels?

Speaker 2 (01:06:36):
James, Yes, yes, yes, they're all. They're all relatively well
for what a boxing movie is. I mean, they've kind
of gotten kind of jumped the sharp fighting down the stadium.
We got Steven Stephen a Smith involved, so it's a
little different. But it's cool because they're they're also big
Hollywood budget type films now, so you're gonna add more

(01:06:57):
theatrics to it on all four.

Speaker 3 (01:07:02):
Yeah, and it's a big budget boxing film at a
time when a lot of boxing films do not get
a big budget. And even if they got midget, they're
not making a lot of money, right They're they're not
you know, lighting up with the box office. So I
don't know the franchise will continue. I'd come back for
ten of these. Honestly. I just love MBJ so much.
And yeah, I don't know. Like I said, I don't

(01:07:26):
want to just keep rambling because as much as I
love this movie, I just want to say, you know,
four gloves from each of us yep, four gloves check
it out if you haven't already. And yeah, I'll go
last thing, I promise.

Speaker 2 (01:07:42):
Man.

Speaker 3 (01:07:42):
My eyes were tearing up. Yeah, my eyes were tearing
up last night watching this movie. I gotta tell you, man,
even it's like the fifth or sixth time. But yeah,
that's our show. Thanks so much, everybody. Jamison. Where can
people find you? On social media?

Speaker 2 (01:07:54):
On Instagram at the Jamison Find me on there for
all the losing fights and stuff like that. I can't
wait going forward. Got a lots of coming up for
the end of the year, awesome.

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