TMCP Ep 30: Is This The Last We Hear From Devin Haney?

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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(00:23):
Welcome to another this show, the Mixed Company Podcast. Of course,
my name is Jamison. I'm joined by Louise. We come
together every other week to give you all some boxing
tid bits, info and the good sweet science knowledge. Louise,
what's going on.

Speaker 2 (00:35):
Man, Jamison? I'm so excited about today's episode. You know,
typically we talk a lot about boxing news, we talk about,
you know, fights that happened before. But today we're going
to talk a lot about an event coming up that
I'm very excited for. It's not Cannella Crawford levels of
excitement by any means, but I have a feeling that
we're in for some really good fights. But first, actually
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Speaker 1 (01:41):
Nice nice, very nice.

Speaker 2 (01:43):
Yeah. So, actually, before we get into the big event
coming up, let's talk a little bit about what happened
last Saturday. I watched a top rank fight Rafael Espinosa
from Guadalajara versus Ukrainian Arnold Kagui. So that was a
top rank fight, and we talked previs episode about how
top Rank was starting to be on t B, Pluto TV,

(02:05):
the free stuff. So this is the first Top Rank
I actually watched Top Rank event I watched on TV.
It was good, it worked like, it was easy to find,
you know, the stream was good, no real issues. I
was kind of I'll admit I was kind of down
on top Rank for you know, going from ESPN to
just the free stuff that comes with the TV. You know.

(02:28):
But you know, I'll be a little bit more mellow
this week and say that, hey, you know, this is
what's gonna happen for them for the foreseeable future. I'm cool, Like,
unless you have a really old I don't know, I guess,
even even if you don't have a smart TV, as
long as a TV that has apps, they all come
with Pluto. Pluto is free, to b TV is free,
the Roku channel, even if you don't have an actual

(02:50):
Roku device. So top Rank is apparently going to stay
on all of those for the foreseeable future. I don't know.
I mean, what do you think if that's where we're
gonna end up for for a while.

Speaker 1 (03:00):
It's your take on So it's like anything else, the
main thing is consistency, right if you're on a channel
or a platform every day. That's all who ask for.
That's all they asked for, is, Hey, I know, if
there's a fight, it's on this channel. This is where
it's at. Everything else is everything else? At this point,
we can't really be bag you know, beggers can't be
choosers at this point. So we know, hey, it's gonna
be on to me, then it's on to be That's cool.

(03:21):
I just think the main thing is consistency and making
sure the product is of quality.

Speaker 2 (03:27):
Yeah, And what kind of made me laugh was when
this when they started broadcasting fights on TV and ed Roku.
You know, two be is the one I use, but
there are several options. They do have a how to
watch instruction menu on Instagram, and I was like, man,
that kind of bummed me out because you know, you
just turn on the TV and you used to watch
ESPN or HBO and there was fights every you know,

(03:48):
on Saturday nights, right nights. So having to kind of
guide your audience into where to find you is kind
of like, guys, how the mighty have fallen? You know,
you're you know, Manny Packia was top rank you know,
what the hell? Uh? But I get it, you know
it is it is different, And yeah, I I like
the idea of consistency. I don't know, you know how

(04:10):
profitable that is at all? I know, and I didn't
do it. Sorry, I should have done my research. But
nothing like to BTV is its own thing. It's all
owned by something else, you know what I mean, Like
they're all they all have their I bet you eventually
one of these things is down by like a Sony
or whatever, so you know, there's eventually there's deep buckets involved.

(04:32):
But yeah, I just kind of wish that. I just
I hope that consistency safe key with these folks.

Speaker 1 (04:38):
But also it's more of the sign of the times,
right because every sport is on different platforms, not like
the old days where NFL is just on NBC and Fox.
It's on every day, it's on five or six. Hell,
they have NFL and Netflix these days, so you know,
it's just some of the times things that are training.
It's funny though, eventually we're all eventually go back to

(04:58):
cable because we you break down these cable bills and everything,
it's a lot of pocket that eventually we're gonna go
back to what we know, which is cable. But at
the time being right now, a lot of networks and
a lot of apps, and a lot of companies are
trying to figure out what is the niche that's gonna
be up next to boom. So that's why Live contents

(05:19):
always at a premium. So boxing will always have a
home where's unfamiliar where that home is. It's like that
person that always CouchSurfing. You don't know where they're staying at.
But they got a home, but you never know where
they're at. That's kind of like boxing.

Speaker 2 (05:32):
That's fair, that's fair. I like that analogy. Yeah, And
you know, and this is something that I'm sure we've
all heard many times, the grampy complaints. I've I've said
it myself. When every company started, every channel started to
have his own app, it's on streaming app. You know,
it used to be Netflix, Disney got in, but then
AMC Plus and you know this, and that every other

(05:53):
channel had their own their own streaming thing. Well now
we're just doing cable again, but with streaming, because you
have to have a package of all of these things
to get whatever, to get everything you want to watch,
and the price is just ridiculous. And I'm hearing, you know,
from so many people that are I guess if it
was called cord cutting when you move from cable to streaming,
but now they're like legal cutting, so people are fighting

(06:15):
alternatives you know, online to stream everything. So yeah, I
mean it's it's kind of ridiculous that we ended up
in the same but we were in. But that's life
and that's capitalism, I guess.

Speaker 1 (06:28):
Yeah, yeah, and it's also some time of times. Then
we all evolve, right, I think everything evolves one way
or another, not necessarily all for good, but I just
think it's evolution of how the viewer experiences is right,
easily be paymer view back in the day, or ESPN
back in the day, or HBO back in the day.
Now it's hey, you gotta find this app because this
company invested into this, and that's.

Speaker 2 (06:49):
Where we're at, right And also, to be fair to
top rank, I was angry last episode because I missed
the MICHAELA. Mayor fight that was on a Thursday night.
You know, the card started at when people were still
driving home from work. This last weekend was Saturday night.
You know, it was at the normal times. You know,
I was watching it like a PM or whatever. So
that's a little bit more in line with what with

(07:11):
what I'm used to with the boxing should be what
it has been. So I'm gonna be a little bit
more grace, give up a little bit more grace this week.
How's that That's fair?

Speaker 1 (07:21):
All right?

Speaker 2 (07:21):
So, but let's forget about what happened last week, because
if you're listening to this, the week that comes out
this Saturday, November twenty second is the next RIAT season card.
Very exciting, a lot of good fighters, and I want
to run through some of these, get some predictions, get
some thoughts on these. So first of actually let's get
this one out of the way. It's Bam Rodriguez, very

(07:42):
talented fighter fighting a dude named Fernando Martinez. Believe you,
Sir Margentina, I don't know for Nano marties very well.
I don't I've seen Bam Rodriguez fight. I don't know
his skills well enough to kind of see like what
got to give a prediction or they're both. Bam is
a very active fighter. The clips I saw from Fernando
Martinez very active fighter. So I'm hoping, you know, there's

(08:04):
a lot of action, a lot of punch is thrown
and not a lot of when both guys are very active,
but they're trying to like stay safe and keep their
distance and kind of you know, dance around. I don't
think so these guys look like they look tough. They're
like warriors. They look like they came for you know,
they came to fight and not play. So but you know,
I don't really have a lot to say about that one.

(08:26):
But here's what I want to get into. Abdullah Mason
from Cleveland, one of the rising stars nineteen to no.
He's gonna be fighting guy named Sam Nooks, British guy,
so Sam Noakes. I've I've looked at some clips seventeen
to no. So he's got a lot of power and
he's got a lot of precision. He's one of those
like seeking destroyer fighters who they're throwing lots of punches,

(08:48):
but they're catching their target every time. Okay, Now, one
thing I'll say about Sam Knok's little stiff on his feet.
I think so, I think Abdulah Mason is gonna have
to stick to footwork. He's gonna really really have to
dodge those precision punches. And you know, Abdula's kind of
proved himself to be very good on knockcats. He's got speed,

(09:09):
he's got knockout power, he's fast on his feet.

Speaker 1 (09:13):
But I don't know.

Speaker 2 (09:13):
I mean, what do you think about Abdulla Mason, where
he's at and what this card could mean for him
going forward?

Speaker 1 (09:18):
He needs to win this fight. The biggest issue is
this is the biggest thing is this is a prime
time showing. All the boxing eyes are watching and it's
like anything else whatever people are watching and we're thinking
about not just this fight, with your future fights. I
think that's the big thing about boxing right now is
that yes, we're concerned about the current day fight, but
we're only trying to project, you know, fighters on what's

(09:41):
the next two or three steps, and that's how the
fights are made. That's how the buzz gets made. So
you want guys that have a good buzz, Guys are
on upward trajectory. You want them to put on a
good performance to where their next show is a headliner.
Those are the things you're looking for when it comes
to these type of events. So, if I'm not mistaken,
believe he's the favorite. Let me just double check here,

(10:02):
will Well, we were talking about it, But believe he's
the favorite at the moment. But that's the thing is
you want to have guys like that who are kind
not necessarily kind of a name for themselves, but guys
that people have an idea of and they've been following along.
Those guys are the ones you really want, you know,

(10:23):
putting on a show. He is a mind's five hundred favorite,
so meaning that you have put five hundred to get
one hundred back. He has to put on a show.
He needs to win. There's no excuses, there's no ifans
of budds. If he don't win, it's a colossal failure
of the whole situation. So I'll look forward to him
putting on a big show, and then again once that

(10:43):
takes place, we go on to who he fights next.
Those are things that get talked about.

Speaker 2 (10:47):
Right and actually, you know, I'm glad you're pulling up
the odds if you don't mind as I go down
the list for other fighters, if you could have those
as well for the folks. But so here's a question
for you. He said his favorite to win, and he
has to win. What if he does win on a decision,
not a very exciting fight, not a lot of punch
is thrown. Does that mean that he's because I've talked

(11:09):
before about how we write out fighters really really fast.
Is everybody gonna say this guy was a sham the
whole time.

Speaker 1 (11:15):
As long as you don't lose, losing is the key.
Once you lose, it's really hard. Once you will lose,
especially if you lose in light this penty fashion, it's
hard to get that back. It's very hard to get
that back. Winning ugly is still a win. Everyone is
one ugly. Every one of our favorites is one ugly
or one to fight. That was a close fifty to
fifty fight. That's how it goes. But losing, she hey,

(11:39):
here a thing. If you lose, if you don't get
a if you don't get a rematch, or if you
get a rematchine don't win, your career is totally different.
It's totally different.

Speaker 2 (11:51):
That's fair, that's fair. And yeah, you know, my personal
opinion is, like I said, I do think we kind
of the audience kind of turns to turn on fighters
really fast if they have an off night, their first loss,
and all of a sudden, they're abum. You know, they
they they were overrated to begin with. So but you know,
I think the kids shown a lot of a lot
of promise. You know, he looks he looks good in

(12:12):
the ring, and he's clearly very very talented. You know,
so the skill is there. The question is we don't
just want skill. People want to show as well. You know,
they want to see knockouts, they want to see, you know,
their next big exciting fighter. I think Abdula Mason does
have the potential to be, you know, a very exciting
fighter that people tune in for. Specifically, he is kind
of early in the night. You know, actually might have

(12:35):
should have mentioned this first because it's in Saudi Arabia.
It's going to be like four pm or so, let's
see six pm Eastern, I think, uh is when it's
where the main cart starts. So if you're in the
East coast, you're going to be on the west coast,
are you're going to be looking at like three or
four o'clock something like that. So it's a little a
little earlier than we're used to for boxing. But it's

(12:58):
not you know, mourning ten as first round anything like that.
But but yeah, so Doula Mason is kind of just
getting the party started. Uh So, I think, you know,
hopefully in the future. If he was this fight, if
he looks good, you know, he's gonna be climbing later
and later in the evening. So I'm gonna go ahead
and say, I mean, I'm going I'm also going for

(13:20):
an Abdullah Mason win based on what I saw about
the sem Nos guy. I don't know. He's got a
lot of power, maybe not someone that uh, a type
of fighter that adults up for. My prediction is gonna
be goes the distance unanimus decision of du how's.

Speaker 1 (13:37):
That That's fair? That's fair.

Speaker 2 (13:41):
Okay, here's another one. Here's a big one. Devin Haney
versus Brian Norman Jr. Now, Devin Haney has kind of
his esteem has fallen, you know, over and over and
over and in my eyes personally, but also in the
boxing worlds. Brian Norman Junior, you know from Georgia twenty
eight to O. What's funny is Brian Norman is twenty

(14:03):
eight to no with two no contests and Devin Haney
is thirty two and oh with one no contest. So
this is the with both guys and had no contest.

Speaker 1 (14:10):
On the record.

Speaker 2 (14:12):
Yeah, Brian Norman Junior, power puncher. Uh, he had an
amazing knockout earlier this year being called the knockt of
the air forget against which fighter that was an Asian fighter?
Do you think that Devin Haney could take on a
guy with a lot of punching power? That's basically I
see him as kind of like another Ryan Garcia, a

(14:34):
bully in the ring, and Haney doesn't have a lot
of historically not a lot of power behind his punches.
Where do you see Devin Haney going after this?

Speaker 1 (14:43):
So this is also so there's the thing about Haney,
like what's his mental app going into this fight? How
prepared is he going into this fight? I haven't heard
a lot about him in a while, so that's a
good thing. I guess there's been no that's been outside.
Hasn't been a lot of shangus. That's good. How from
his pops outside? I think there was a fight at
MSG him and Richard Hitchins got into it or whatever

(15:06):
or a few months back, but nothing major. I hope
Devon's prepared mentally and physically for the fight. I think
that's the biggest thing. Now. Devon's guy that needs to
get his name up. That's the guy that needs a
really good performance. Because the last couple of times in
the ring have not been great. So those are things
that we looked for, saying, hey, man, what you got
because eventually you gotta you gotta put up her shut up,

(15:29):
you know, eventually you gotta put him a good performance,
like all these skills and all these things, like, hey,
you know, we gotta see it. And for him, he's
kind of been forgotten when it comes to the guys
in his grouping, like we don't talk about him getting
big fights like that anymore. Why he needs another two performances,

(15:50):
get back into that conversation. We just don't think of
him automatically like that. So he's also a slight underdog
in this match, which is very pretty interesting from a
guy that a couple of years ago was one of
the faces of the division, one of the faces of
the you know his row, you know his age, range
of boxing. Still a young guy, so there's still time.

(16:12):
But man, uh, this is one of those where everybody's
watching kind of have to put up a shut up
or else if you don't win this one, it gets
very five PM boxing matches with him before the car shows,
before the car Yeah.

Speaker 2 (16:29):
And I want to get into that, but First, do
you have the odds on this, on these two guys?

Speaker 1 (16:36):
You have the betting odds on these studio he's plus
one oh five, which means he's a slight underdog.

Speaker 2 (16:40):
Okay, Okay, Well here's here's what I was gonna throw
at you. I based on what I'm seeing on Bright
North performance and what Devin Haney has shown, I'm expecting
a Haney loss. To be quite honest with you, I
would bet on a Haney loss. If I was going
to bet, I would expect a Haney loss. Honestly, A
stop it you might be likely because Brian Norman Jr. He's,

(17:01):
like I said, kind of a Bryan Garcia type of
a bully in the ring, but definitely more of a
skilled fighter. So kind of like what I mentioned with
Sam Noaks earlier. You know a lot of fluri of punches,
but you know he's got a few more than a
few dudes with a really, really good punch that lays
him out. So I don't know if there's a stop
at your TKO. No matter what, I am predicting a
Devin Haney loss, what does that mean for him after this?

(17:25):
If I'm correct? You know or are we is he
just kind of like fade into obscurity or is here's
the thing. Okay, let me let me rephrase the question.
I was surprised he still got another, you know, fight
with the Saudi's after that terrible performance at Times Square
whatever that was earlier this year, like July fourth, I
think it was. I was surprised that that, you know,

(17:47):
he's still a name for them to put out there.
What's gonna happen after this? He's still going to get
some more shots.

Speaker 1 (17:53):
Or he will be on someone's card going forward. But
it's one of those things reason fight filler not a
promoting guy, is one of those where you're filling the
card up with guys that have fought in the past
or guys that you may have heard of in the past,
but he won't be in the man attraction no more.
Or he's a tune up guy where you fight on

(18:13):
the way to do your big fight. Neither of those
are good things. Both are far far from grace for
a guy that used to be able to command seven figures.
If you lose this fight, I don't think you can
keep command seven figures like that anymore. He's not a
you know, he's not a guy that had a lot
of cachet that brings off general people like that. So

(18:36):
it's not like, Oh, people would pop up and they're
gonna go see him no matter what. I don't see that.
I don't see that kind of happening. So that with
that being said, it's kind of in a weird spot.
Is in a very weird spot where I don't know
how this works. If he loses, like he really needs
to win, only because if he wins, he's kind of
back in the mix. Right. You can put him in

(18:58):
conversations for fight. You can put it in conversations where
he's one flight away from a big fight again. But
he loses. Man, Hey, we forget about guys very quickly.
We forget about guy very very quickly in this situation,
and he's on the verge becoming that what Adrian Browner
was at the later stage of his career where we

(19:19):
just forgot about him. He ranly pop up and random fights.
That would be the HAINI course where he'd be in.
That's how bad it would be.

Speaker 2 (19:28):
Okay, I just Haney's is really good at sticking and moving.
You know. There was an amazing performance he had against
kembosas twice actually, where he just kept lighting the jab,
kept coming out of going back out of range, and
is just frustrating the shit out of him. Great performance,
you know, I'm not gonna take anything away from him.
But Kembosa is also not the most talented fighter, not

(19:51):
the best counter watch, not the best power puncher in
the world. So I think I just don't see if
Devin Haney gets caught with a really really good power
punch from by Norman Jr. I it's I think it's uh,
maybe not lights out, but I think he's gonna end
up even if he goes the distance, those punches are
gonna look real good. He might get dropped again at

(20:13):
least once like he did by Garcia. And yes, I
am predicting a Devin Hainey loss on this fight.

Speaker 1 (20:20):
I am predicting looked good in the fight.

Speaker 2 (20:25):
Show was that composed? Is actually yeah, because that's a few.

Speaker 1 (20:29):
Year she's look good in a fight where like, oh, okay,
I see what's going on, I see I see the height,
I see When did that last time happen? When does
that take place?

Speaker 2 (20:39):
So I would say, yeah, twenty twenty two was the
tiny combos is the first time and they ran it
back I think the same year, so maybe it was like.

Speaker 1 (20:47):
Six months later, right, it was like in December.

Speaker 2 (20:49):
Yeah, because he went back to Craik Craiky Island.

Speaker 1 (20:54):
Again dad had issues getting over there because his dad
has some issues.

Speaker 2 (20:56):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, So that was twenty twenty two. And
then when he fought Lomachenko, you know, people were in
arms that that was a gift decision. He should not
have beat Lomachenko. I actually was watching that that fight,
and I did not think that uh Haiti pulled off
the w honestly, but he was given to it by decision.
I did not think he looked that good. Then of
course it was Ryan Garcia, which I believe yes, last year,

(21:20):
but yeah, no, so I would say unless I'm forgetting something,
unless there's a Hainey fight that I missed in the
last few years, it was twenty twenty two since he
looked and again let's give credit. Recordis too he looked
amazing in that fight. You know, he just embarrassed Kembosas
at home and it was there was It was one
of those situations we talked about where the hush of

(21:43):
the crowd after you kind of see it going downhill,
you know your guy. Everybody was hyped up for their guy,
and then it's just people are just kind of checking
Twitter and seeing what's up my route, like round nine.
So yeah, twenty twenty two is what I would say.

Speaker 1 (22:00):
Damn, that's going on three plus years now. That's not good,
especially for a guy that's young. Right, It's not like,
oh he's thirty five year Nah, it's supposed to be
his prime. If he's not good now, then it's kind
of over. And once you become bad at this age,
you really don't get him any more shots to get
to the top because you kind of get written off

(22:22):
and putting a different tier or boxer, and they really
can't build a fight around you. You're a part of
someone else's fight. You become part of the Oh yeah
he's he's undercard on someone else's card. So you come
on at five o'clock, you know, five fifteen instead of
seven fifteen. It's different.

Speaker 2 (22:41):
He's only twenty seven, and you know what, I'll also
give him. Let's let's give him some grace. Let's say
that the Garcia fight was, you know, lopsided because you know,
pop for pds whatever. You Let's say like, well, Garcia
had an unfair advantage. It wasn't no contest, it was
not a loss. Blah blah blah. So if we remove
that from the equation again, we're still talking about him
beating low A Chenko and not looking good. And yeah,

(23:02):
it's the thing.

Speaker 1 (23:03):
I think.

Speaker 2 (23:03):
It's also very damaging when you take a win and
everybody thinks that you're full of shit, you know, or
that that the win was bullshit.

Speaker 1 (23:08):
Well, also, the eye test, the eye test is more
important than anything in boxing. How a boxer looks in
the ring is bigger than anything because we know boxing,
we know what we're supposed to look at, was supposed
to look like, was not. So when it doesn't look right,
hey man, what's going on? Something right, He's not good?
Blah blah blah. Those are things that's happened. That's what's

(23:30):
taking place. Not a good situation at all, not not
It has not been good or for Devahani. There hasn't
been a whole lot of good coming at as Camp lately.
That's the issue. We have not had a lot of
success stories from him, and so until that changes, we're
kind of in a weird situation.

Speaker 2 (23:48):
Yeah, and I just looked it up so uh Hayne
versus Lomachenko was twenty three and him against Ryan was
the last year doing like April of twenty four, sorry
up springing twenty four. So and then we had a
course the Times Square fight that was just uh And
I might be repeating myself that that was a bunch
of episodes ago many months ago, and my brain as

(24:09):
much because I'm old, but I have no I'm the
kind of guy who always gives a lot of leeweight
to fighters because they're you say, you know, they look boring,
they're not exciting.

Speaker 1 (24:19):
You know.

Speaker 2 (24:19):
I I know it takes a lot of technical skill,
you know, a lot of I mean just getting up
in the ring. It takes a lot of guts. And
you know, I never want to hear oh it's you know,
this person should move their feet more, move their head
from just some fat guy on the couch with some
you know, cheeto dust on his Twitter fingers. Like you know,
at the very least, you know been in the gym.
You know, you work out, you're active. I've taken boxing classes,

(24:42):
I've been sparring. Not to say I know anything about it,
but like I know that it takes a lot and
a lot of work. With all that said, that box
that fight was boring the ship. It sucked there was
he wasn't throwing punches. He wasn't you know, he wasn't
even moving his feet or i'm sorry, defending the punches
very well, just keeping.

Speaker 1 (24:59):
His interested look like he didn't really want to be there.
And for boxers, that's a very weird place to be at.
So if you don't want to be there event, it's
not going to happen.

Speaker 2 (25:10):
Yeah, And honestly, I don't even remember who who he
fought that day, but honestly it doesn't even matter. Yeah,
I think that was the biggest problem. He's just he's
he walked in there snoozy, and that's the worst you know,
any fighter who you know, if if they take like
a major l in the ring, I'll always say like
they tried their best. They wouldn't they didn't look fat
and hungover in the ring or anything like that. He

(25:33):
looks he looks snoozy. So I don't know. I honestly,
now I'm just so so curious to see what he's
hey and he's gonna look like in this fight, because
there was, you know, speculation by the announcements like maybe
he was a little bit gun shy after Garcia loas
you know, taking a big hit, getting getting put down,
et cetera. Now you know, I'm sure he knows the

(25:55):
the feedback, you know, the audience feedback of his performance.
So is he gonna step it up? Is he gonna
look good?

Speaker 1 (26:01):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (26:03):
It's more of a morbid curiosity for me that fight
than really like be excited about Haiti being in the
ring again. But yeah, Brian Norman Junior, and thank you
very much to our producer, to Barry Davis. He said,
Brian Norman Junior knocked out Jin Sasaki, an Asian boxer
who was put to sleep in a spectacular fashion. So
I official prediction Brian Norman win. I'm not gonna go

(26:25):
so far as to say like my knockout him being
put down or go in the distance, but I definitely
expect Bright Norman to win.

Speaker 1 (26:34):
All Right.

Speaker 2 (26:34):
The main event for Saturday is going to be our boy,
David Benavidez from Phoenix is back to fight another British boxer,
Anthony Yard, another big power puncher, kind of similar styles,
both big dudes, both high volume punchers, fast punchers, big power,

(26:55):
they land big power shots. So do you have the
odds on on those days?

Speaker 1 (27:01):
Not worth talking about? It's not he's mine twelve hundred,
meaning you gotta put up twelve hundred to one hundred
back is not worth today?

Speaker 2 (27:09):
Yeah, so that's fair. I do think I don't think
this is gonna be easy easy work. You know, Anthony Yard,
he's a he's a big guy, he's uh twenty seven
and three. Uh. I think David Benavidez gets it's the
whole thing about big guy versus little guy thing. I
think he gets lumped in with a little guy. He's tall,

(27:29):
but he's leaning. But I think David Benavidez is naturally
a big dude, you know, who cuts weight. I've said
Canelo is a little dude who's beefed up, you know. Uh.
And I think that David Benavidez is. I think he
is a good choice for this weight classes. I believe
it's light heavyweight. So again he's kind of leaning toward
his big eyed roots. I think he's got the skill,

(27:51):
he's got the tools, he's got the talent. I think
this one won't be as easy able to walk through
for him, as long as his defense is right, So
deve Benavidez has to have great defense and he has
to have great power punches. Now, Anthony Yard, I keep
I keep calling him out of there because I'm Mexican.
That's just how I read things like that. But it's

(28:12):
a it's actually pronounced Anthony Yard. His one of his
big one of his more prominent losses was to Archer
better be Of and it was just that arch fantastic fighter,
big dude and caught him in between a punch and
just I think Yard never recovered from that. So it
was that's a really good fight. If you can find

(28:33):
those highlights, it's it's really cool just seeing Archer better
bee Of, you know, he's just just seeing him in
the ring is amazing anytime, because that man is is
a is a real deal. De Benavedas has to do
the same thing. He has to make sure he catches
Anthony Yard in between those punches. I think Benavidez can
take a lot of abuse. Anthony Yard has been catching

(28:57):
dudes with big with big hits that just wobble him.
Just kind of sees blood in the water that he
takes advantage. I think Benavidez can isn't gonna be rocked
as easily. So I want to see where you think
that our boy David Benavitez is now for this fight.
And then just general in context in the world of boxing,
is you know, one of the rising stars and I

(29:18):
think the future face of Mexican boxing.

Speaker 1 (29:22):
Yeah. And also here's the thing that you gotta understand too,
when it comes to Bernavidez, he's another guy where we're
looking for his next fight. We're looking to see who
because he's a He's a guy where not necessarily a
mega fight, but it's a fight where it's like, oh,
this is a thing, like this is a the casual
sporting fan. If you match him up correctly, we'll be

(29:43):
able to tune in and be like, oh this guy, Okay,
that's the thing. So we're not necessarily vocal on this one.
He's gonna win on Saturday. What's gonnappen in twenty six
and beyond? Is the thing with him. That's where we're at.
That's where we're kind of focused on going forward is
with him. So that's where we're all interested in because

(30:05):
hey man, so anything else boxing is a step you're
always you're only making the next fight as you're fighting
line even though the current final hands important, the next bag,
the next event, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. That's
how the sports cells itself. So that's kind of where
we're at with him. Not necessarily concerned about Saturday, but
he's one of the few guys where he's fighting someone,

(30:28):
it can literally be an event and that's huge.

Speaker 2 (30:31):
Yeah, and obviously this is me speaking anecdotally, and yes,
I live in Tucson. Betavide is from Phoenix, so you know,
I see people come out for him. You know that
he is an exciting fighter that people he has a
lot of fans.

Speaker 1 (30:42):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (30:42):
Sure, maybe it's because he has a lot of fans
here because this is where he's from, But I don't know.
It seems to be based on what I've seen, like
he's got a lot of he's got a lot of
hype and a lot of people behind him, and he's
been just the one of the most avoided fighters and
that higher weight class range in recent history. I think

(31:05):
that he definitely he made a good choice stepping up
and sticking around the you know, the light heavyweight weight class.
The question is he's always one of the big names
better be versus Beovil. Now here's an interesting one. Better
be If was supposed to be on this card. I
don't know if you remember us talking about it. You know,
earlier in the year he dropped out for reasons unknown,

(31:26):
whatever doesn't matter. So that was kind of there was
already some grumblings of like, well, these two guys are
fighting on the card. Depending on how they look, they
might match up together. But in this I mean to
we worry about Better Be of just kind of being
like on his way out, you know, he took a
very prominent l against people. But also, you know, not
the man's legacy is secure. You know, that man went

(31:49):
out literally went out swinging, and he looked great in
that fight. He wasn't embarrassed, He wasn't you know, snoozing
or anything. Just you know, happened to take the l.
But he's also agatting, you know, getting up there in age.
I don't know if he's I think he's over. Is
he over forty now? But here he is forty, he's forty,
So yeah, I mean, is that are we going to

(32:12):
see the end of the Better be Of era? And
you know there's a lot of like a lot of
the older kind of Eastern European boxers are kind of
on their way out. Alexander Rusk, biggest win of his career,
hasn't really been talking about him coming back. Almachenko just
officially retired. Of course talked about coming back, but that's

(32:33):
neither here nor there. The point is that, you know,
there's that era of these Eastern European guys that seems
to be kind of in decline, not because of their skills,
because you know they're they're getting up there in age
and they're but ready hanging up. So I don't know
where do we think that better? Mean this is going
to land? Do you think do we think that he
has a people a chance at people next year?

Speaker 1 (32:52):
That's to be the thing we don't know right Like
it's there's no obvious choice, there's no obvious matches, like, oh,
this is a no brainer. It's really weird because as
of right now, I would be inconclusive with the answer.
I would say, hey, we need to wait for this
fight to end and see what else is out there,
But right now there's really nothing that's like a no

(33:14):
Brainer's get this matter mached tomorrow one Saturday finishes. I
don't see that right now.

Speaker 2 (33:20):
But but why not, because again, this the guy bene
Vitez went up to that weight class. Bevil is the
guy to be. You know, he's he's a star. He
looked great and in both fights against better b I'm
sure he lost the first one, took the w on
the second one, but he still looked great. And you
know he's he's not sure. He's taken some time off

(33:41):
to recover from like a hand injury or something like that.
Doesn't whatever it is, I don't remember, but he's not
going to be back till twenty six. But like bena
Vitez has just been kind of doing his thing, fighting
whoever he needs to fight is get his name out
there and show that he's proven. Like I don't see
any other big name other than better be If at
that weight class. Right again, he's on his way out.

Speaker 1 (34:01):
He's not the way out. There's no there's one I
remember once, Terrence Crawford, one that was trying to make
that fight. But as Terns Coffor came out immediately. Nope,
we're not doing that. Hell no, no, probably no, we're not.
Oh no, they want to Crawford move like one seventy
remember he moved up for this one. Yes, they want
to move again. He was like, no, bro, I'm not

(34:22):
I'm not doing that. So fascines thing. I don't. That's
it's it's a weird thing. That's a good point. You
mentioned a lot of the euro guys have been taking
their money and bouncing. Uh. They're not fighting into their forties,
not running it back. And that's very interesting because the
money is there, there's always money there for a fight,

(34:42):
but a lot of guys just enjoying their you know,
joining their money and their fame and living happily ever after.
So it's a very good question that we don't have
an answer to right now. We may not get asked
you until early to mid next year, right I think
this year too retire.

Speaker 2 (35:00):
So it was but yeah, sure, sure, sure, But I'm
just saying like it's it's on that wave of I mean,
and also it kind of I don't know anywhere near
enough to speak on this, but you know, the wave
of Eastern European fighters stars and that was was a thing.
You know, it was a thing that peaked, seems to
be on the way out just naturally, and you know,

(35:21):
what's going to be the next big thing for for boxing.
The next trend in boxing, I don't know, But then
the question always comes back to the same thing I feel.
I feel like we're goddamn broken records. Is it's more
difficult for a start to emerge because there's not enough
fights happening and they're harder to find now, you know,
like I was, I spoke well of watching topreck on

(35:43):
t B. I'll do it again, but it's not the
same as turning on ESPN on a Saturday night. It's
just not well.

Speaker 1 (35:50):
The money behind the productions are way different, right. ESPN
has a big budget, Yes, a lot of production budget,
a lot of resources into a lot of effort behind it.
Like people think the lights come on Saturday night. Nah, bro,
they it starts Tuesday. Man. They're here, they get set up,
they interview, all the work, all the pre work, pre

(36:10):
set up, everything, man and fast. Thing that's noticed what
to me, HBO was the best HBO in their day.
They were flows with their production, they're on camera people,
their posts, pre and post stuff, the build up. They
were the example. And it takes a lot of money
to do that, and you got to have one to
with set money and not every media company understands that,

(36:33):
especially when it comes to boxing. So that's why it's
been such a drop off because HBO and Showtime did
a hell of a job with those things. ESPN was
cool because they're ESPN, they do sports, They're fine. But
other than that, it's been rough. Outside the the PBC
stuff that was on manastream television for a minute, outside
of that, it's been rough.

Speaker 2 (36:54):
Right. I feel like what I would like is, and
you know, I don't believe it's everye happens like a
fantasy I'll say, is that HBO brings it back with
less of a budget. But it's like the nostalgia factor.
I mean, how many things are like, you know, are
we seeing coming back from our childhood and all these
TV shows getting rebooted, you know, and bringing back all
these things, And I feel like it would be a

(37:15):
big thing. It wouldn't be like it used to be.
They wouldn't be the big pick for you stars. But like,
I feel like there's an opportunity to say, HBO is
getting back in the boxing game. We're you know, we
were the ones to beat back in the day. They
still have a very good reputation for you know, quality shows.
It's not like their esteem has fallen or anything. Sure,
they wouldn't be putting you know, the production they were.

(37:36):
But just if if HBOS was like, yeah, we're gonna
have fights all summer every Saturday night, that I think
people will lose their shit, especially old heads like us.

Speaker 1 (37:43):
So it wouldn't be HBO because they're out of sports
all together. But to be Amazon on Netflix, those are
or Apple, it have to be one of those because
those who have the money. So when you have money,
you could put together a really good production show. HBO
is out of sports, so I don't think they would
invest money going back into sports. But Netflix, Amazon and

(38:04):
Apple all do sports in some way, shape or form.
I think that'd be our best bet.

Speaker 2 (38:09):
Sure, and that's what's most likely. I'm just saying, like,
you know, again the fantasy in my head of them saying,
you know, for a nostalgist purposes, we're not getting into
sports period, because I mean, and again, I've only ever
cared about boxing, because was there HBO ever known for
any other sport? Like did they ever get on anything?
Because I always remember.

Speaker 1 (38:25):
A lot of documentaries and all that kind of stuff.
So HBOT sports department, I believe is all gone now
and boxing was a big part of that. I would
love for boxing about the HBO. Trust me, as someone
who pays for HBO, I would love for boxing back.
It's just unfortunately, once I got out the business ten
plus years ago, like it is what it is.

Speaker 2 (38:46):
Yeah, yeah, I don't know. I mean I think, uh,
and that's their I mean it's fair for a network
to say, like that's everybody else's thing. And yeah, everybody
has an Amazon account at least, so you know, everybody
every smart TV comes with the Amazon app. So if
it just became a place to find a lot of

(39:08):
a lot of fights, then I think it's all going
to be pretty easy for everybody to find.

Speaker 1 (39:14):
Do you have something No, I mean I really am
With'm with you. I just feel that you gotta make it.
You have to adapt and like you mentioned, everyone has Amazon.
Most people have Apple phone, Apple I phones or have
access to it. So make it easier for the people
who want to watch to watch it. Two be is
a thing where people who are six years old don't
know what two he is well, and it's being honest

(39:35):
with people who are of that age, they're not that
familiar with that. So go luck with that one.

Speaker 2 (39:43):
That is fair, yes, but also to be is sort
of the prime the prime place to get the grand
pis in there because they have a lot of the
old nostalgia shows.

Speaker 1 (39:50):
I don't know if you ever speed that they do.
But you want to be very you want to make
it as usually friendly as possible. That's just sight. You
want to make sure you're able to directs my very easily.
But at the end of the day, man, people want
to watch it. They're gonna watch it, and if two
is the thing, then people will get to it.

Speaker 2 (40:09):
Yeah, it's it's it's the thing that comes with with
every TV. It's like you have a remote and then
you have two b or and like I said, the
roke also the rop top break is also something called visio.
I have no idea what the hell video is, but
that was on the is it?

Speaker 1 (40:29):
Yeah, videos are TV. Yeah, they do electronics.

Speaker 2 (40:32):
Okay, maybe they have a video app that it's on.
But I saw it on Instagram when it said a
watch on uh two Yuroku and video, So yeah, it's wild.
I mean, you know the obviously this event on Saturday
that we're we're talking about, the ring Foard they call it.
That's pay per view event, so you know, financed by
the Saudi's and promote a Turkey la Hik who, by
the way, said the era of pay per view was

(40:53):
dead and now he's charging sixty bucks with the ship
just saying.

Speaker 1 (40:55):
You know, of course, are we surprised like going out.

Speaker 2 (40:59):
No, no, we're not surprised, But I feel like it
needs to be said. It needs to be you know,
put out there. But and also you know, also needs
to be said that the studies are involved because they're
trying to white wash their human rights abuses. Look at
Jamal Hashogi when you get a chance anyway. But yeah,
this fight is in Saudi Arabia. So Abdullah Mason goes
on at like six pm Eastern, three pm Pacific. Benavidez

(41:21):
ringwalks her about nine pm Eastern six pm Specific Pacific.
Jesus Man, I gotta stop drink when I wake up
in the morning. So yeah, I'm really excited about it.
I'm gonna be checking it out and hopefully I haven't
been nine of good fights. Oh and sorry, I forgot
to mention my prediction for Benavide is definitely a win.
I'm gonna say. I'm gonna say I'll go go all

(41:43):
in and say he gets the knockout. I'm gonna say
you smart enough fighter that he catches I think heard
and gets another knockout. And so that's I'm putting it
out there into the ethan.

Speaker 1 (41:53):
All right.

Speaker 2 (41:54):
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Happy Birthday, Derek, Jamis and I are right behind you

(43:29):
because we are washed in turning thirty as well. Suit. So,
all right, the movie we're talking about today's a movie
that is still maybe still in theaters, probably not for
long by the time you hear this. It is called Christy,
directed by David Michaude or michad. I'm I'm really sure
how to pronounced that, starring Sidney Sweeney, Ben Foster, Merritt Weaver,

(43:50):
and Katie O'Brien. So this is the story of Christy Martin,
the person who legitimized women's boxing. Started boxing in the
late eighties, came to fame, and she signed with dun
King in nineteen eighty three. Fought on the undercard on
Travis Fights, Tyson Fights, lots of others. Was a closeted
lesbian most of her life, married her trainer James Martin,

(44:11):
and was a victim of horrible domestic abuse. It's a
wild story. Jameson before we get into the movie, can
you tell everybody what you remember about the real Christy
Martin in the boxing world?

Speaker 1 (44:20):
Right? It's funny you mentioned that last thing. I remember.
She was always on undercards with big fights, and she
was like the first women's box that you repeatedly saw
whenever there was a big fight, you saw on undercard
or maybe even sometimes even before the right before the
big fight, and you'd see her she's really putting in
work and like damn, she'd really go. So that was

(44:41):
the thing that ran back my childhood is being able
to watch her fight literally twice a year on every
Don King or this big fight in general, she'd be
getting on her. It's only a handful of women's boxing
in that era that we really remember, and she's probably
the biggest one off top sure.

Speaker 2 (44:59):
And what was the sort of pub perception of her.
I mean, obviously she's a talented boxer and she commended
respecting the ring, But where fans like a, get this
brought out of here? What is she doing there?

Speaker 1 (45:09):
No, because it was it wasn't marketed like that. That's
the thing. It wasn't. It was marketed in its own way.
It wasn't like, it wasn't how to remember, it wasn't
its own car. It was my own car. I think
you would have got a lot of that. But it
was just a part of the vision of the big cards.
Whatever the big card was. That's what that was. It

(45:30):
wasn't a part of anything else. So I think that's
kind of where we're at with that. Again, she was
the first big one that we saw. Of course, there
was other ones that came along and you know, sur
passed her, but she was like the first one. We're like, oh,
she's fighting again, Oh this is her again. Oh I
remember her, I remember her. And then next thing you know,
she's fighting for like eight ten years wow, okay, and

(45:52):
you started expecting her on the other car. But I
remember her very well, very very well. And it was,
like I said, it was part of the It was
part of the whole program. It was part of the
whole card. It was a big part of you know,
whatever fight was going on, She was part of the evening.
It was really cool and you get to know her.
And then she also opens the lane up for others

(46:14):
to come behind her, you know, while her we don't
have Leila Ali like that. You know, we don't have
the ones that are fighting today. So those are things
that you look back yet, like Don King was very
smart not just putting on a random Tuesday and some
random place, but having it on a card when you
have seventeen thousand people in the building and millions plus
watching on TV. Very very brilliant marketing by Don King

(46:37):
and the people that beat.

Speaker 2 (46:39):
Yeah, did you get any sense of, you know, anything
about a person life coming out you know or you know,
kind of seeping into the into the public consciousness or
result of just private like the movie showed.

Speaker 1 (46:50):
I think a lot of pride. I think a lot
a lot of pride. But here's the thing, too. Back then,
we didn't care about people's sexualities like that. We kind
of it was kind of an known thing that if
a woman athlete, ifcial a boxer, we kind of knew
what it was like. People didn't care, like we care
about the boxing, not necessarily what you did off the corn,
out the ring or anything like that. It was just

(47:12):
oh she's fighting again, Oh she's nice. Oh yeah, fight's over.
That's it. It wasn't nothing else.

Speaker 2 (47:18):
Well, and to be fair, I feel like if it
wasn't explicitly stated, but you know, there's a lot of
and maybe it's a difference between like actors. You know,
actors came out or and ruined their career. So I
would say that people did it care because that's I
mean still to this state. I mean, people are still
in the closet two days.

Speaker 1 (47:34):
So I think women athletes is different. Okay, we don't
care about women athletes being gay like that.

Speaker 2 (47:40):
Okay, that's fair. Yeah, I mean it really shows a
lot that the biggest people in the movie, the biggest
people who were really really against it are her family,
like her mother, like she's the one who absolutely was, like,
you know, completely against any kind of homosexuality. But yeah,
I mean, how did you think this movie worked or
not as a as a Christie Martin story Christy Salter's

(48:03):
maiden name.

Speaker 1 (48:04):
It was cool, It was cool. It's interesting, like the
times right, and bring up the times, the family being
staunching against it and like being so like being alive
back then and kind of knowing how things go is
very fascinating how things have changed over thirty years because
in today's day, there's so much society pressure of letting

(48:25):
people be who they are, whether they gaze straight by whatever.
You let them be what they are, you don't judge.
That's how it is. Back then, it wasn't like that.
You got an old school mentality and that created a
lot of resentment in general. But yeah, it's it's very
fascinating how things have changed and whatnot. With that being said, unfortunately,

(48:45):
you know it fueled her, you know, and that's as
crazy as sounds. That's how a lot of athletes get
fueled as that, having resentment from the people who love
them or that they love. And here we are.

Speaker 2 (49:00):
I mean, I think the movie, I think I think
it is a good movie. I think it's it's a
good portrayal of her story. I think the movie just
as a little as a little balance between the boxing
stuff and the personal stuff. This is very much, most
of the time a boxing movie, you know. So we've
talked about a lot of other movies that are about
boxers about their lives and the drama, et cetera, and

(49:21):
the sport in itself is not front and center. This
is not the case here. Like this is very much
the sport is front and center for most of the movie,
and then it goes completely away from that into her
personal life, which which is totally fine. I just felt
like we're watching two different things, you know, watching a
couple of different movies. Performances were good. You know, Sidney
Sweeney is not the most the most acclaimed dramatic actressows

(49:48):
she's not the most acclaim dramatic actress. I think she
did a good job here for her I think she
did a probably probably the best performance. But yeah, I mean,
let's be like I I watched some romantic that she
was in last year. There was a big hit with
her and Glen Powell, who I really like. Man, the
movie was terrible and she was terrible. She was awful
with that movie. But also she has bird in controversy. Now,

(50:11):
you know, she made an American eagle genad that was
kind of eugenics, e like implied eugenics, and in this
political climate, you know, she was actually asked about it
in a GQU interview, like what's up with this? And
she was like, I like wearing jeans. I wear jeans
and a T shirt all the time. I'm like the

(50:32):
most like either completely toned off or just went over
her head response. So I say that to say this,
this movie was a historic flop, like it is. It
is in the record book. So it's a fifteen million
dollar budget, had a one point three million dollar opening weekend,
which is at the bottom ten opening for wide releases ever.

(50:56):
Wide releases. Yeah yeah, so any wide releast considered anything
over two thousand screens. Okay, so this movie is in
the bottom ten of all of those movies ever released
in over two thousand streets. So I don't know if
maybe city swingeys, you know, celebrity is a little tainted

(51:19):
right there. She also had a couple of other flops
this year, I think before any of that other stuff
was came out, So I don't know, I mean, could
it be her, could it be that just movies about
female fighter asault sell as well.

Speaker 1 (51:33):
As about market whatever you put out. You cannot not
marketing a sport movie, a boxing movie. This has to
have commercials, on podcasts, on TV shows. You got to mark.
If you're putting fifty million dollars into something, you spend
another million to market. If you're not gonna do that,
then you deserve whatever happens to you.

Speaker 2 (51:49):
That's fair.

Speaker 1 (51:51):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (51:51):
And I hadn't heard about this movie until, like I
just I go to the movies all the time. So
I saw it pop up on my my movie theater
app and I was like, what the hell is? What
the hell is it called Christy because I'll just click
on anything to see what it is. And a lot
of the times I don't know if it's it was
an AMC thing, but they have a lot of Jesus movies.
So they just have like, you know, a movie called

(52:12):
like Shining Light, and I'm like, okay, it's like, oh,
shining Light of Jesus coming from you know, this family
that that found their faith blah blah blah, which is weird.
So I'm always like, all right, let me let me
see if this is like a Jesus movie, Like, is
it Christy? Is that what it's supposed to be? But
wow around But anyway, no, so I so actually I

(52:37):
never saw a trailer. I didn't know anything about it
other than you know, Sidney Sweeney and boxing movie. So
I was like, oh, it's actually Christy Burton, like the
Real Fighter blah blah blah. So of course it's a
natural fit for the show. But another thing, I was
the only person in that movie theater, and that's green
that I was. I was by myself. I was by

(52:58):
my lonesome.

Speaker 1 (52:59):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (53:00):
So it was, you know, just just kind of indicative
of how this movie just absolutely hit, just crashed and burned.
I'll say this, I don't think the movie, the movie
itself overall, you know, regardless of Sweeney's of Allman and
her controversy whatever, I don't think it deserved that. I
think Christy Martin's story definitely did not deserve that. I

(53:21):
think Christy Martin story deserves to be seen, heard, learned about,
and it's just it's just an incredible story gets wilder
and wilder the more you learn about it. But also,
now we've had two years in a row Jamison with
Theatrical released films about female boxers the flock. So if

(53:43):
you remember last Christmas, yep, we watched The Fire Inside
the Clarissa Shields movie that would decidely better eight million
dollars on a twelve million dollar budget. This one was
fifteen million. Was I don't know how it's gonna by
the time we leave theaters, it might be like less
than five. But still, I mean people are coming out
for it, and it's a bummer.

Speaker 1 (54:03):
I mean people not paying to watch no movie. People
have fire six other apps. It's not happening.

Speaker 2 (54:10):
That is this movie Attendance has gone down, but you
know there are it's picked back up from where for
where it was like, it's a sad again. The lowest
was like twenty twenty, so you can't really compare, you know.
You know, yes, we're coming back from that, you know,
the absolute crater, but you know, the movie business bouncing back.
This is my area of expertise because I love the

(54:32):
movie theaters. I love going to the movie like I
would always rather choose to go in than just watch
something at home.

Speaker 1 (54:37):
If I have the opportunity.

Speaker 2 (54:39):
So this is my bag. By the way, the speaking
of Jesus stuff Chicago pope whose name might forget that
man actually gave a speech on the importance of movies
in cinema. So I was like, man, am I gonna
go back to church? It was gonna eat church for
the first time since I was a baby, because you know,
I see why they call them infallible. But but yeah, movie,

(55:00):
movies cinema are very important to me.

Speaker 1 (55:02):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (55:02):
I mean, what do you think this film kind of
stands on in terms of a boxing film? End of
the story? Like, do you think more people.

Speaker 1 (55:11):
Said it was like it was like you said, it
was a it was a box for all the movies
we just watched. It was more boxing than the film,
and that makes sense. So it was I but it's
that I'm gonna watch again. Well, I'll probably forget it
before Thanksgiving. Be honest with you why. It's not like
I'm I wouldn't spend money at the theater for it.

(55:33):
So that's what we did. You know, cool? But nah,
this ain't really and it was all right, but it
was like it's like a homeworkssignment. It wasn't like, oh,
I'm going to watch this movies like, ah, all right,
and then you forget about it a couple of days later.
That's all.

Speaker 2 (55:47):
Okay, I give it rate a little bit higher than
a homework assignment. You know, it's still I think it's
a pretty good depiction of boxing. You know, obviously trained
she she did the boxing scenes herself. You know, there
was in a stunt double. You can see that she
put in work, and I think I think those scenes
mostly look good. Not as good as in other films,
but I don't And it's my two favorite things in

(56:10):
the world one well two out of three movies. Boxing
and drinking are my favorite things in the world. So
h you know, there's worse ways to for me to
spent you know, a lonely weekday night in the theater
by myself. But yeah, I mean not the greatest. What
I think I will kind of say is that I
hope more people at least do some research into Christy

(56:33):
Martin's story, at the very least. You know. Actually, I
remember that there was a documentary about her on Netflix
called Deal with the Devil, So I have not seen it.
I will watch it. And if you absolutely don't want
to support sees Sydney sweetly cool man, you know, I'm
not going to argue the point. But I think that
not just an athlete, but as a as a historic figure,

(56:56):
as somebody that has an amazing story. The shit that
was she went through, I think Christy Martin deserves, uh
you know, there are respect, not just as boxing fans,
but like as a figure in our society. And I
just hope people learn.

Speaker 1 (57:08):
More about her. That's fair.

Speaker 2 (57:11):
Yeah, And oh and I cannot finish this off without
talking about Ben Foster, who plays her husband, James Martin
excell in this movie. Ben Foster is like it's like
Giovanni Ribisi on a budget. Like he's a we have
Giovanni Ribeci at home actor for a long time, but
it's very talented. It's just an actor has taken a
few risks here and there, like he used to be

(57:32):
kind of a young pretty boy that went away from
like the typical pretty boy actor route. So but he's
he is amazing in this movie and he plays the
scumbag has been so well. It's one of those like
Jeoff Free and Game of Thrones, like you know that
kid's a good actor because you just want to strangle him, right,
So definitely shout out to Ben and every everybody in

(57:52):
this movie.

Speaker 1 (57:53):
Was great.

Speaker 2 (57:54):
Sydney Sweeney was her best performance of somebody that's not
a great dramatic actress. So well, you know, we kind
of greater on a curve. Katie O'Brien, who's awesome was
is and this is Lisa Halloween. She is somebody that
I think deserves a lot more starring roles. Check out
the movie Love Life's Bleeding from a twenty four amazing

(58:16):
Katy O'Brien performance. I think she would have been a
better Christy Martin honestly than Sydney Sweety, to be honest
with you. But yeah, final thoughts on this. We've always
rate movies out of four gloves on this show. What
would you give the movie Christy.

Speaker 1 (58:31):
Two point seven? It wasn't bad movie. It wasn't like
you thing, It wasn't that about, oh you gotta go
see this. But it was cool for what it was
why it told the story well, and it was just
strictly an assignment type of film. It wasn't like, oh,
this is dope, I'll rewatch when it comes on regular TV.
But if for what it was, it was it was

(58:53):
really solid.

Speaker 2 (58:54):
Yeah, you know, I just figured out this is what
it is. This is the biggest issue. This is movie
has awesome your bait written all over it. This has
failed Oscar bait.

Speaker 1 (59:05):
For something, and they missed completely.

Speaker 2 (59:07):
You're correct, Yes, there's there's very clearly it's one thing
to be like Oscar Bay and it's a good movie.
It just didn't make it. This is failed Oscar bait
and you could tell Sweeney was trying hard to try,
real hard. So uh but like I said, movie theater experience,
I still love watching you boxing stories and and at
the very least Christy story was was really interesting. So

(59:30):
I'm gonna go three three gloves on my Yeah. So yeah,
nothing nothing amazing, nothing. But also I wasn't like I
was in there, just kind of annoyed, like when the
hell is.

Speaker 1 (59:41):
Going to be over or anything like that.

Speaker 2 (59:42):
So you know, but yeah, I'm definitely gonna check out
the documentary. It's actually called Untold Colon Deal with the Devil,
So hopefully that's that's better. And yeah, I would recommend
everybody to very least read up on Christy Martin. It's
a crazy story. So all right, so Jamison, where can
people find you? On social media?

Speaker 1 (01:00:04):
On Twitter? At that the Jamison as best Plat's find me.

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