TMCP Ep 31: We Publicly Apologize to Devin Haney

Luis and Jamieson are back with another fantastic episode of The Mixed Company Podcast for you. Part of what makes boxing the absolute greatest sport on the planet is the fact that it can sometimes take just a single fight to change the narrative surrounding a fighter and perhaps more importantly, the actual trajectory of their careers. Haney came into the fight with an undefeated record, but with a considerable amount of doubt given some of the circumstances and outcomes of his last few fights. The guys, understandably, questioned his chances heading in...and, well, y'all saw how things went for Brian Norman Jr.

The guys extend Haney his much deserved roses, discuss the rest of the news and notes from around the boxing world including what could be next for the man Luis now calls the "Face of Mexican boxing" in David Benavidez, and what to expect from the January 31, 2026 fight between Stevenson and Lopez.

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
In this corner, U standing at six foot five, weight
class unknowns, but hailing from the city of Sins.

Speaker 2 (00:06):
Put your hands together for Jamison Well.

Speaker 3 (00:08):
And in this point then in.

Speaker 1 (00:09):
At five foot ten, weighing in at pound and coming
to us from his super secret bunker with no ac
in Tucson, Arizona.

Speaker 2 (00:18):
Put your hands together for Louis Montemo. Thank you. Welcome
back to another episode of the Mine many podcasts.

Speaker 1 (00:28):
Of course, on one half of the show, Jamison Well,
I'm joined by Louise.

Speaker 4 (00:32):
Louise, what's going on, man, Jamison? I am so stoked
to be back on the mic. We got a lot
to talk about today. But first, before anything else, they
gotta ask how was your Thanksgiving?

Speaker 2 (00:42):
It was cool.

Speaker 1 (00:42):
It was cool. It's as you get older, the holidays
aren't quite the same. It's one of those things to
where you know it's.

Speaker 2 (00:51):
It goes by. It's almost like another day.

Speaker 1 (00:53):
It seems like unfortunately now of course get to eat
food and family, but for the most part, it feels
like it's just another day.

Speaker 2 (01:00):
So it was cool. It was cool being back home
for a day.

Speaker 1 (01:03):
And a half. Oh my mom, my family. So no complaints,
but on all it was good. To get back to
the business.

Speaker 3 (01:12):
Gotcha.

Speaker 4 (01:12):
Yeah, I see what you were saying about getting older
and it being another day. But I guess Thanksgiving the
one for me that's just been consistent because it's just
stuffing my fat face. Like you know, there's nothing about presence,
and you know, you're excited to get toys when you're
a kid, it's different when you're adult. I don't know,
Thanksgiving just just eat and pass out during the middle
of the day and then drink some wine.

Speaker 3 (01:30):
So I don't know, it.

Speaker 4 (01:32):
Seems like it's Thanksgiving. Seems like one of those easy
holidays in between Halloween and Christmas when there's like a
lot to do.

Speaker 3 (01:41):
It's just chilling, so I appreciate it. But but yeah,
now we are.

Speaker 4 (01:45):
In December, episode thirty one of our show, so the
first thing we've got to get to.

Speaker 3 (01:50):
Is the boxing News.

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Speaker 3 (02:13):
Holy crap, Devin.

Speaker 4 (02:15):
Haney's return to the ring was mind blowing, completely unexpected.
You know, admittedly, last episode I said on the record,
I expected him to lose. I will have to eat
my words. I've never been afraid to be wrong before,
so I'm not gonna sit here and be like, well,
you know, that's not really what I meant, blah blah blah.

Speaker 3 (02:32):
You know, I'll own it.

Speaker 4 (02:34):
I admittedly I said that because of his performance in
the last couple of years. We talked about how he
hasn't looked as best since twenty twenty two. Didn't really
see didn't really expect a lot from his performance this
past to fight, but holy shit, man, you know he
came out looking great, looking, strong, looking powerful. Devin Haney

(02:54):
has always been made fun of for being quote pillow
hands Hani, Yeah, believe that he spent I just want
to get your take on what happened that night. What
you what you think happened before that night to get
us to that night, please, So, like.

Speaker 2 (03:08):
A box I was focused and had a game plan.

Speaker 1 (03:11):
It feels like the last few fights the focus going
into the fights wasn't all there, whether it was out
the ring stuff, whether it wasn't taking the opponents seriously,
just felt like a guy that just didn't have it
all upstairs mentally. Now you see a guy's focus, had
a game plan, was sharp, looked in very good shape.
It looked like the guy that was in line for
big fights a couple years ago. It looked like that

(03:32):
guy who was in you know that could have fought
anyone from Tank to secure to whomever. So now it's
very interesting to see going in twenty twenty six what
we have. That's the force we've been waiting for. That's
the Devi Haning that we've been waiting for for years now.
Now going forward, the quality of opponents will be better,
but I'll be it'll be justified to see how how

(03:53):
he looks. But I can't wait bounce with you. I
think that was a hell of performance. I mean, he
was basically fighting for his career in a sense, because
if he loses that fight, it's we've gone all those before.
When you can get to these points in your career,
you lose this fight, it's not looking good. But that
being said, it's one of those situations where he took
care of business, he knew it was at stake, And

(04:14):
here we are now where we have a whole new
situation to where he's going to be in big fights
or big.

Speaker 2 (04:21):
Fight cards going forward.

Speaker 1 (04:23):
So that's going to be huge to see going forward,
to see how he's able to keep that focus, maintain
that focus going forward and see what's out there for
because when you come off with victory like that, there's
big fights ahead.

Speaker 3 (04:37):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (04:38):
Not only has that the hating we've been waiting for,
that's the hating we were promised and never really you know,
the promise is the word kept. So I was happy
to say and keep in mind. You know, let's just
be clear here, because I complained a lot about boxing
fans writing fighters off after one loss, calling them bums.

Speaker 3 (04:54):
They were never good.

Speaker 4 (04:55):
You know, I never disliked Haitie like, I never had
an issue with him. I didn't never wanted him to lose.
I just wanted to see, you know, a great fighter
in the ring. The promise that he showed I wanted
to continue. So I wasn't being a hater saying that
I really wanted to see Haini go down. I just
expected it based on, you know, his performances of the
last few years, especially especially the one from it was

(05:18):
July fourth, actually when the ri Odd times Square event happened,
which was like one of the worst boxing matches of
recent memory.

Speaker 3 (05:27):
I think so yeah.

Speaker 4 (05:29):
I mean, I props to him, you know, sorry I
doubted you king, I you actually you still got it.
And I really really am excited to see what he's
going to do going forward. With that said, are we
now wanting to see that Garcia rematch that we everybody
had written off earlier this year?

Speaker 2 (05:47):
So what is Ryan Garcia had done to get a
big fight?

Speaker 4 (05:52):
I would say, I would say, you're correct, he probably
hasn't done a lot, but I think his I think
Hamie earns another sh to prove that either Garcia pop
for like PDS in that fight there was a no contest.

Speaker 3 (06:07):
Either.

Speaker 4 (06:07):
He either Garcia needs to prove that he could actually
do it clean or hayt It needs to prove that
he that was a fluke on his end, because he
looked good enough to fight Garcia again. The question is yet,
do we want to see it? Do we think Ryan's
a draw? I want to see it personally, just to
see it just to see that fight how it really
should be with both of them on top of their game.

Speaker 3 (06:29):
I think it would be exciting, But I don't know.

Speaker 4 (06:31):
I mean, you do bring up a good point, Greg
Garcia doesn't really is it really the superstar used to be?

Speaker 1 (06:37):
Yeah, we know Ryan Garcia for all the wrong things
right now. Why things we know Ryan Garcia for right
now are not box related. You know, he's talented, he's athletic,
but in terms of like boxing, we don't know him
or know a lot of him for boxing stuff at
this time.

Speaker 3 (06:53):
You know.

Speaker 1 (06:53):
I think that's the biggest issue, is that right now
we know more of the antics with.

Speaker 2 (06:58):
Him than the app for boxing.

Speaker 1 (07:01):
I think it'd be in Devin Hanney's best interest to
get away from that side show at the point in
time you can come back to that that's not going overhere.

Speaker 2 (07:08):
Ryan Garcia always gonna be around for that redemption fight.

Speaker 1 (07:11):
I would try to take a better fight to move
up in the ranks and prepare myself for a title
fight or a bigger money fight. The Ryan Garcia situation,
and it kind of is what it is at this time.
I don't think Ryan Garcia is a serious boxer. I
think Ryan Garcia is a content creator, mass rating as
a boxer, but I don't think he's a serious boxer
after this time until he proves me otherwise.

Speaker 3 (07:32):
That's totally fair.

Speaker 4 (07:33):
And like I said, I'm only speaking of a rematch
because of I personally want to see.

Speaker 3 (07:39):
I want to see it done right, I guess, is
what I'm trying to say. You know, I'd be happy
to have him running back.

Speaker 4 (07:44):
I would have been happy to have him run it
back after you know, that initial fight.

Speaker 3 (07:48):
But then yeah, Ryan Garcia.

Speaker 4 (07:50):
But then again, Ryan Garcia always he always says that,
you know, well, I'm focused on different, I'm not doing this,
I'm not doing that. But then antics come into play.
His social media starts getting weird, and then he says, well,
I'm ready, I'm focus.

Speaker 3 (08:02):
Blah blah blahlah blah.

Speaker 4 (08:03):
So it's kind of a pattern with him. It's kind
of part of the game plan by the ticket ride.
The ride kind of a thing, you know. But like
I said, I want to see this Hainy against that
Ryan Garcia is after seeing this, right, But I guess
you're right. I guess maybe he's probably not the best move.

Speaker 3 (08:22):
For him going forward. He's got some other potential matchup.

Speaker 4 (08:24):
They're talking about the British fighter Connor Ben, you know,
who had a couple of good fights recently.

Speaker 3 (08:31):
I don't know.

Speaker 4 (08:31):
I mean, the sky's the limit for Devin Haney after
that performance, It's so crazy.

Speaker 3 (08:36):
I had mentioned that I was excited.

Speaker 4 (08:38):
For this Ring four event and I said, you know,
not Canella Crawford levels of excitement by any means. But
afterwards I did feel the same way I felt after
Kanella Crawford, and that it reminded me of why I
love boxing so much, because anything could happen, you know,
the most unexpected thing, even hell, just Bud Crawford going
up whatever it was three way classes was crazy and

(09:02):
the result was just unexpected exciting. And same thing with Hayden.
You write the guy off and he just comes back
in a big way. Something like that really just just
motivates me, energize me, and just just makes it just
reminds me why I love this damn support.

Speaker 3 (09:18):
So I don't know, I mean, is there anything.

Speaker 4 (09:21):
Is there anything else that we can think to say
about what Stevin Haney's future could look like.

Speaker 1 (09:26):
I mean, if I'm him, I'm waiting for the tim
of female Lopez h Sircursey was in fight to make
Before making any decisions, I see who wins that fight
and then go from there.

Speaker 2 (09:36):
So that's where the money is.

Speaker 1 (09:37):
That's also potentially where a big mega type fight can be.
So it's one of those things to where that's where
I'm I'm laying patient for the next month and a
half while staying in shape, while marine focused. Also making
sure that the dad is not doing anything crazy or
anything like that.

Speaker 2 (09:55):
So we're staying Folks were saying on key.

Speaker 1 (09:58):
I think that's the biggest thing with Devin because obviously
is not issue, it's just I think the focus. I
think in the first fight with Ryan, don't think he
was well prepared for that fight. I think he took
that fight very lightly. I think he was messing around,
bullshitting and he got caught. Now Ryan was you know,
Ryan had an unfair vantage. So it is what it is.
But just in general, I don't think Devin Handy was
prepared for that fight as he should have like he

(10:19):
was for this one. And I think he has that
same preparation and as the same camp he had going
into this fight going forward.

Speaker 2 (10:26):
I think it's gonna be all right.

Speaker 1 (10:27):
Now there's certain guys I don't think he's better than
but I still think he can put together.

Speaker 2 (10:31):
A lot of really good fights in the near future.

Speaker 4 (10:35):
Yeah, I mean, I I don't know that even this
Heaven's Devin Haney that we saw a couple of weekends
ago could be like Lomachenko very very clearly without any
kind of you know, uh.

Speaker 3 (10:47):
Iffingness from from the audience.

Speaker 4 (10:49):
You know, he did beat Limachenko on the cards, but
I think it was pretty universally, uh it was not
everybody was on board that that was a very very
clean win on Haydey's part. But yeah, I mean, how
about this, Seeing just that the way you put Brian
Norman Junior down in the first one, and how like
Agro he was in his face, I was like, this

(11:10):
man came to fight, He did not come to play,
whatever happened this year, last year, et cetera. Like just
the way he looked carried himself in his face, like
this man is taking this fight seriously.

Speaker 3 (11:22):
And you're right, he was fighting for his career.

Speaker 4 (11:24):
And I mean, I'm I can't imagine that these boxers
don't realize that.

Speaker 3 (11:28):
I can't. I can't imagine they're that insulated.

Speaker 2 (11:30):
You know.

Speaker 3 (11:31):
You hear stories about how celebrities they've got.

Speaker 4 (11:33):
Their bubble, they don't really know what's going on in
the real word, blah blah blah. But everybody's every young
guy's got access to social media. You know, they know
how they're seeing how they're perceived. Right especially these days,
you can.

Speaker 1 (11:45):
See social media. But it doesn't mean if you're not
taking heed to it doesn't matter. Why you can have
all the social media to have all this stuff around you.
A lot of people who know what's going on doesn't
necessarily mean they read the room.

Speaker 3 (11:57):
That's true. That's true.

Speaker 4 (11:58):
I guess it's more in the sense of I had
to assume that Devin Hayden knew he was fighting for
his career, you know, he didn't.

Speaker 3 (12:04):
He couldn't have thought this is just another fight. I
don't know. Let me, what do you think.

Speaker 1 (12:08):
Ah, I would hope he was. But we've seen fighters
in that position before not taking to us either.

Speaker 2 (12:14):
So that's the thing.

Speaker 1 (12:15):
He's got to hope that guys are seriously able to
do what they gotta do, you know. So that's the
biggest thing. With that being said, I think that going forward,
I think he under valuable lesson.

Speaker 2 (12:31):
I think it's just got scared straight and away.

Speaker 1 (12:33):
He went from a situation where he was in a
really good spot, undefeated, wanted to talk of the you know,
young guys coming up to Hey took, I say, no contest,
but a loss, so everyone to classify it kind of
gets forgotten about, has a lot luster outing, it gets
really forgotten about, and then has to put together performance
to really get things back on track. I hope he

(12:56):
doesn't have to go through those steps again because a
lot of times you don't get that chance to do so.
So I think he gets his stuff in order. Uh,
it was good to see. I would think that he
would read the room. But you just never know.

Speaker 2 (13:08):
Man.

Speaker 1 (13:08):
When you listen to his dad and the people around him,
sometimes you give the picture that they don't think he
needed to do so, so not quite sure, not not
quite sure, to be honest with you, that's those.

Speaker 3 (13:20):
Are really good points.

Speaker 4 (13:21):
Yeah, I mean you think you you could think that
this is obvious to to us watching as spectators, you know, uh,
and knowing where the the arc of somebody's career, but
you never know what is going getting put into somebody's
head by management training. Blah blah blah, people on the
inside whatever. Yeah, and there's no formula to it. Like

(13:41):
you said, there's been guys that really really needed to
win and needed to take it seriously and just came
in with the shoulders shrug of a fight and you're like,
how do you not know that?

Speaker 3 (13:49):
This is?

Speaker 4 (13:50):
Like, go time, bro, Like what's going on? So that's
that's that's fair to say. Another thing too that you
mentioned is waiting for for sa course, he was the
first versus Tilfia. We'll talk about that a little later,
but that's at the end of January. Devin Haney in
the last few years only fought once a year anyway.
I believe this year he.

Speaker 3 (14:09):
Fought July at the time score thing, but I.

Speaker 4 (14:11):
Think the last couple so it's not like he's rushing
to set, you know, to make another fight in March
or something like that. Anyway, you know, if he continues
his pattern, so he's got time to kind of wait
it out, see see what the landscape looks like, and
see if I don't know, if rang Garcia is still
unjailed or whatever before he makes a decision. So yeah,
I guess there's no real rush right now. Anyway, well,

(14:35):
I'm excited to see what what Hanny does in twenty
six is all is where we can leave that. Another
thing we want to talk about at the event. The
main event actually is they've have been a vitas So
another pretty exciting pretty I think maybe maybe not easy,
easy work, but clearly showed against Anthony Yard. Skill power dominated,

(14:58):
got a stopage in around like been or something like that.

Speaker 3 (15:02):
That fight.

Speaker 4 (15:03):
Him not really super excited to talk about what I'm
more interested in. He's He mentioned at the end of
the fight that so David Benavidez, the Mexican monster from Phoenix, Arizona,
was it light heavyweight challenge, Canelo kept getting ducked, he
moved up to I'm sorry, I'm.

Speaker 3 (15:20):
Sorry he was at super middleweight challenge. Canelo kept getting ducked,
moved up.

Speaker 4 (15:26):
To light heavyweight challenge. Bevill got ducked. Bev All vacated
in the belt. So he fought Anthony Yard and the
other guy I forgot his last fight was, but he
said now his next fight he's moving up yet again
to cruiserweight to fight Souta Mires. So I've said this
for a while now that David ben Avitez is a

(15:48):
big guy naturally, a big dude. He's one of those
Mexican fighters that a rare Mexican fighter who's tall, has
a lot of weight, a lot of power. You know,
Usually our folks are little guys, you know, small or
chravisized guys. I've always said the Canelo was a little
guy that got beefy, but that does not make him
not a little guy.

Speaker 3 (16:07):
It seems like dy have been a venus is well.

Speaker 4 (16:09):
First of all, one, it seems like he's listening to
me on the show, which I know you're listening, David,
I know you are, but I think he's sort of
fulfilling his destiny as the big guy who's challenging these
other you know, massive dudes and not focusing on super
middleweight or anything like that, which.

Speaker 3 (16:23):
Is great for him.

Speaker 4 (16:24):
The question is what does he have to do to
get his due? I guess you'd say, you know, he
keeps challenging the big names, he gets getting turned out,
he keeps making fights. To his credit, he's not just
dilly delling and you know, sitting at home whatever, cracking
a beer.

Speaker 2 (16:37):
Like.

Speaker 4 (16:37):
He's out there trying to fight whoever he can. But
he keeps moving up and now he's a cruiserweight. I mean,
I can't imagine he's going to try a heavyweight fight.
That might be a little too much for him. I
don't know, but you know, he's he seems to kind
of just be throwing anything in the wall and see
what sticks. I mean, what do you think about where
what moves does he have going forward so he can
really earn the earn the rick condition he deserves.

Speaker 2 (17:01):
No one's fighting him.

Speaker 1 (17:02):
No one that cares about their record or pride is
fighting him. Too dangerous, too big of a guy, like
you mentioned, very difficult to game plan for. He's a
big guy, a big reach powerful. I just don't see
anyone signing up for that. I understand why Canelo ducked him, Sure,

(17:23):
I get it, Like I like, that's if Canello had
problems with Bud. He had no chance for us to
be this like no, like there's this there's no game plan.

Speaker 2 (17:34):
Even look at Canelo's arms. Canelos doesn't have a great
reef like that. He doesn't have long gang ARSI it's
not like he can you know, stay away and jab
and you know, put himself to a victory. That's not
the case.

Speaker 1 (17:46):
He would have to come inside, and that's just not Yeah,
I don't see anyone that's like.

Speaker 2 (17:52):
A big name fighting him at this moment.

Speaker 1 (17:54):
Could change in the future, depending on your money's money
money changed a lot of things, but I just.

Speaker 2 (18:00):
Don't see it.

Speaker 1 (18:00):
I don't see anyone as a huge name fighting him
with that big said is in a tough spot because
as yours go on, you know, and you know, you
kind of lose obviously your own skill set over over time.
If no one ever comes about, then you gotta take chances.
Like you mentioned, you move up to you know, heavyweight,
those are things into your mind because you can't go down.

(18:22):
He's not gonna go down. That's not happening. So then
you got to start taking chances, and that's where guys
get caught. So we'll see what happens. But right now,
he's kind of a guy without a with out an opponent,
if that makes sense.

Speaker 2 (18:35):
There's not like a set and the Stone guy.

Speaker 4 (18:38):
He can fight at this time, right I mean, the
biggest opportunity for him is Bevo, and I think there's
a chance that he could just keep knocking out all
the contenders in the rankings to show like he's to
sort of force that fight, force himself into the spotlight,
and I think that's what he's doing. Honestly, he's just
kind of showing that, you know, he's building a he's

(18:59):
building his brand. Still of course, he's building a fan base.
The more people see him, the more people they go like, Okay,
all these dudes he's fighting. It's looked like easy work.
So let's see if maybe a beevill isn't if it's
a real challenge for him. You know, I'm speaking as
like the public perception hypothetically speaking, but.

Speaker 3 (19:17):
No, you're right.

Speaker 4 (19:17):
I mean, the thing about Benavidez is crazy. If for
those of you who didn't see the fight of you
just look up the highlights. You know, Anthony Yard, British guy,
like he was just huge jacked, one of the biggest
dudes that physically imposing dudes that Beneved has fought so far.
Benevid is tall, but he's very lean and like his
arms are lean. He's strong, he's powerful, he's got power punches,

(19:38):
but he's not that like massive jacked you know monster.

Speaker 3 (19:42):
That's that that other fighters look like.

Speaker 4 (19:46):
He's just got skilled But again, you know, neither was Chavez,
for example, He's a very lean guy. He's got reach, speed, power,
He's he's that actual strong, not Jim strong kind of
thing that people say. So I think he's he's very
deceptive when you look at him and you're like, this
guy against somebody who's a huge and Jack, you know,

(20:07):
has giant arms.

Speaker 3 (20:09):
I think it's this. He's kind of a strange fighter.

Speaker 4 (20:12):
He's a weird fighter in ways, Like Tyson was under
six foot, under six feet, but he moved like a
he was a heavyweight fighter that moved.

Speaker 3 (20:19):
Like a little guy, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (20:22):
Then it is a skinny guy that can fight giant
dudes really wild, right, And I just I just don't Yeah,
I think you're right.

Speaker 3 (20:28):
I mean, it seems it's hard to know where to
plug him.

Speaker 4 (20:31):
And I think that's part of his strategy of just like,
let me just fight any big fucking dude that will
get in the ring with me and show that I've
got the skills. You know, that's one of the greats.
I just hope that it does pay off for him.
I mean, where could this end up. Could there's just
be somebody that just kind of doesn't get their name
in the Spilight because he keeps getting dust and duct
and duct. I mean, how long can you avoid somebody

(20:52):
a fighter like this.

Speaker 1 (20:55):
That's the thing. It's tough because no one's signing up
for that.

Speaker 2 (20:58):
That's the thing.

Speaker 1 (20:58):
No one has anything lose is signing up. So there's
no one of note that's about, Oh I'm taking that fight.
Just don't see it.

Speaker 2 (21:05):
I don't. I So that's because issue is.

Speaker 1 (21:08):
Not necessarily it's more of no one is going to
take that chance the options available. So he's kind of
in a weird spot where he has to face guys
who are not as known and not as talented as
some other challenges, just because there's just no one there
that's willing to put their situation online to fight him
at this point of his career.

Speaker 4 (21:30):
Right, And I'm going to admit to some ignorance here, you know.
So the the weight classes go light heavyweight goes up,
the cruiserweight.

Speaker 3 (21:39):
Then goes up to heavyweight. Heavyweight is two hundred and up.

Speaker 4 (21:42):
I'll be honest, I don't know a lot of cruiserweight names.
I know Zudea Ramirez, I know that.

Speaker 3 (21:49):
You know he he fought people before.

Speaker 4 (21:51):
But I do believe Zudelemz went down don't quote me
on that, but I don't really know any of the
names that cruiserweight, Like, do you know if any like
big name and he started like, yeah, I focus off top,
no off top, Yeah, because I everybody talks about the
heavyweight class like that's kind of its own thing, and

(22:12):
because of a Canelo fan, I kind of, you know,
focus a little bit on the uh you know, super
bit of weight and then below because Mexicans fight it.
You know, there were little guys they fight a uh
lower wait classes, so that kind of cruiser weight there.
It just I completely ignored. I'm really ignorant of it.
I don't keep up with it. So I don't even
know what is there for a Benevidi is to do
other than just kind of make some more noise as

(22:33):
to you know, him being a fighter.

Speaker 3 (22:35):
That that deserves the attention.

Speaker 4 (22:38):
I don't know what's what's the last big name that
fought a cruiser weight that a lot of people would know.
I think Usik fought there for a while, but you know,
he's more known for heavyweight. Can you think of somebody
that's like, oh man, this guy you know that maybe
not everybody would know, like a Tyson or a Floyd
but just you know a lot of boxing.

Speaker 1 (22:57):
Roy Jones trying to fight out a cruise of weight
when he fought were we or was that a heavyweight?

Speaker 3 (23:01):
I don't remember, see this is that's the thing.

Speaker 1 (23:06):
Was what it may have been heavyweight? I think Bruise
was a heavyweight. But it was a similar situation where
so here's the thing, Roy Jones ran out of people
to fight for a long period of time. Weird way, class, weird,
a ponent situation, just a weird overall situation in general.

Speaker 2 (23:24):
So that being said, it's one of those things.

Speaker 1 (23:27):
To where you kind of just are in no man's
land in a sense, and it happens every now and then.
This this, this happens for the last I would say
twenty years. One thirty five to one fifty four has
been like the money division, where there's always been a
bunch of guys, even up one sixty sixty, all those guys,

(23:47):
all those visions have fights, there's been contenders and regardless
wanting to up and down.

Speaker 2 (23:51):
So there's never been those issues. But once you get
out of that one, since once you got one sixty eight,
it's it gets rough at times, and then that's kind
of where right now.

Speaker 3 (24:02):
Yeah, I mean, and.

Speaker 4 (24:04):
I say that I've always thought of and correct me if, like,
you know, this is something ridiculous, but I've always thought
that that's where heavyweight sort of cut weight to fight
because they didn't fight one to fight other heavyweights. Like,
no disrespect to people who fight at cruiserweight. Is that
that's in my mind how I always saw it. I
was just like, well, you know, if you don't want
to fight two undred fund, dude, you can just go
a little lower below that because cruiserweight actually we should

(24:26):
say it's it's between one seventy five and two hundred.

Speaker 3 (24:29):
Okay, So so, uh, I know.

Speaker 4 (24:31):
Like heavyweight pretty decently well because that's where you meet
your Bevall and better beev you know, had their their
couple of fights. Uh, that's where Canelo moved up to
fight Bevall and lost, so he went back down.

Speaker 3 (24:44):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (24:44):
But yeah, that little Noman's land, like you called it,
it's it's to me in my mind, it's always yeah,
just been kind of a ghost town. And I hate
to say it because again there's actual, you know, talented
fighters fighting at that at that class.

Speaker 3 (24:57):
I just I don't know, off the top of my head.
You know, anybody who who who's a big name there,
So I don't know, it's weird.

Speaker 4 (25:06):
I mean, I feel like I'm kind of rambling a bit,
because yeah, I'm just kind of just throwing out ideas
on the top of my head about what's going on
with Benavidez, what he could do, and what his game
plan is. But the bottom line is that that man
deserves big fights with big names. He's got the talents,
and it just sucks that he just keeps getting ducked.

(25:27):
I mean, I don't know, nobody's unbeatable except Floyd, I guess,
but nobody.

Speaker 3 (25:34):
Is, you know, invincible in the ring.

Speaker 4 (25:37):
So there's got to be somewhere out there that sees
been a meat doesn't think I got something for him.
I just I just hate to see this guy not
getting his DW. He keeps making fights, he keeps looking good,
but I don't know fingers crossed. Another thing I want
to mention about in general about that fight, So fellas
guys who work out a lot at the gym, just
so you know, just because you're atjective because your brawling.

Speaker 3 (26:00):
Doesn't mean you know how to fight.

Speaker 4 (26:02):
So we saw in the guy that Anthony Yard, who
was a talented fighter. Don't get me wrong, but I'll
put it to this day, I'd rather fight a big
beefy jym dude than like a tall, skinny guy like like, yeah, yeah,
so fellas, you know, you go to the gym and
you you work out, you're in great shape.

Speaker 3 (26:21):
That's awesome.

Speaker 4 (26:21):
But remember big beefy arms, they're slower to throw punches.
You know, the bigger roar, the slower you are. So
I think that's why Benavitez is gonna hit. Is kind
of a confusing fighter for people because he's you can say,
he's essentially kind of skinny, Like you could say that
and not be you know, and and be pretty fair
about it. But both boxing talent and power, you know,

(26:43):
just just just be careful about that.

Speaker 3 (26:44):
Fellas. Don't don't talk uh, don't talk shit just because
some dude is tall and skinny at the bars anyway,
Roy Jones apparently that fight against John Reeves was heavy weight,
so got it? Yeah, got so? I don't know.

Speaker 4 (27:00):
Yeah, but oh, another thing I have to mention, uh no,
shout out to Direct TV because the Ring four fight,
I went out to see it at so the neighborhood.
My favorite sports bar and twos and has two locations,
is the downtown one. I wanted to stay closer to home,
so I just went there. It was raining and storming
like really hard and two soon that night, like it
was coming down, coming down, and the direct TV gave

(27:22):
out a couple of times the satellite dish on the TVs. First,
it happened before the Abdulla Mason fight. Well, during the
ring walks, I didn't miss anything. I missed at least
the whole ass round of the Benavitas fight because the
satellite dish went out, uh maybe even one and a half.
I didn't miss the knockout, but somewhere in the middle

(27:43):
it just crashed and it was it was really awkward
because they had a DJ at the at the spot,
but the DJ like uh stopped and they turned the
sounds of the fight on for the whole bar. So
while we're sitting there just waiting for the direct TV
to come back, it just was silent and there was
just sounds of like you know, just people murmuring and

(28:04):
like you know, beard glasses hitting the getting set down
to the bar, and it was very eerie with the
rain outside it was a kind of creepy. Actually, I
was sitting there like the time stop, like am I alive?

Speaker 3 (28:16):
Am I? Where? Am I? Am? I?

Speaker 2 (28:18):
Am? I?

Speaker 4 (28:18):
Did I die and not know it? So that was
a little this pointing. Thankfully, you know, I didn't miss
the big finish, so but yeah, that was a I
was a little nervous out that I was going to
miss most of that fight.

Speaker 3 (28:32):
So yeah, speaking of a doula.

Speaker 4 (28:34):
Mason, you know, he had a really good performance at
the Ring four event, went the distance, no knockout, but
he looked good. I think I don't think that he
had any There's nothing that he showed that showed he
lost a step where he wasn't ready. I don't know
what you thought about his fight, but I think he's
still still kind of building his brand new skills and
you know, could be a great fighter. I don't think

(28:55):
him going to distance kind of hurt him in any way.
I don't know about you, what are your thoughts there?

Speaker 2 (29:00):
So here's the thing. I don't mind as long as
guys are winning when they're coming up, I don't mind it.
I mean, sometimes fights take on their own look of
how things go. I'm a big proponent of fighters getting better, right.
I think the big thing we've gotten caught up in.

Speaker 1 (29:14):
The past is guys look good and these you know,
these fights that are building their resume, so to speak,
to the point where they don't have room to grow.
So when they do fight a good fighter, there's no
room to, you know, to show out. It's it's like
feel that it's time they're finished product. So I personally
don't mind guys that don't have a perfect showing when
it comes to some of the some of the smaller

(29:36):
fights that they're in, So I don't take a whole
lot of crea. Instead, as long as you don't look
very bad or long, you're not getting dropped several times,
you're fine.

Speaker 2 (29:42):
In my eyes, this is more about getting.

Speaker 1 (29:44):
Better, right, using this fight to get better, because I
think a lot of times the fight that doesn't go
through any adversity in all these pre fights, when they
get in the ring and something happens, they panic when
you're in there with somebody comparable to you or even better.

Speaker 2 (29:58):
So I like guys that don't necessarily win blowouts every fight.
I like a little adversity because you can lean back
on that and be okay when it's.

Speaker 1 (30:07):
A close fight versus the guy in there, So I
personally don't mind it. Like to me, my thing is
take care of business, get the W and move on,
but also try to get better.

Speaker 3 (30:18):
No, that's a that's a really good point.

Speaker 4 (30:19):
Yeah, I mean I well we can talk a little
bit more about about that in a second, but yeah,
I would say overall this event, we didn't mention vam
Rodriguez absolutely questioned in their Master Classic Boxing. Just beautiful performance. No, no,
no real opposition there. I would call it overall a
great night of fights. You know, I've given you know,

(30:41):
Turkeyella shake a lot of crap about previous events, and
you know the a lot of them have not built,
have lived up to the hype, is what I'm trying
to say. But this one solid fights, very active, nobody
kind of dilly deallying, nothing boring. So just overall, it's
one of those nights where you could say, like, well,

(31:03):
you know, if you didn't know Devin Handy's history, you're
just like, oh it's a talented boxer.

Speaker 3 (31:07):
Head a good night.

Speaker 4 (31:07):
You didn't see it as a blowout performance. But I
think that's cool to just have solid, solid activity from
everybody and it's just really really fun night. So any
final thoughts on just overall the Ring four.

Speaker 1 (31:20):
No, No, The biggest thing for me is having quality fights,
like we always stay on this show. The more fights,
the mirror. We need to get back to where we
have fights on as much as possible. We have enough
boxes out there amongst all the classes that have fights
every weekend, right, that's so many boxes we do have

(31:41):
in terms of all the divisions and everything. We need
good quality fights as much as possible. So any event
that can produce that, I'm all for.

Speaker 4 (31:50):
Yeah, And it looks like that they're not slowing down.

Speaker 3 (31:53):
So the Ring, the breat season. The Saudi Arabian.

Speaker 4 (31:57):
Promoter, you know, they're having another ring event Bring five
with now Yeah in a way in Japan on December
twenty seventh, which I guess would be like Fighter'll we
probably four am, three am our time, so we'll be
looking forward to watching that on YouTube atter horns or whatever.
But neither here nor there. And then their next event,
Ring six is going to be the Tefiy Malpus Shaker

(32:17):
Stevens In fight, which I actually want to talk about next. Yes,
So it's it's locked in for January thirty first, so
it's going to be in New York City. We talked
about that, the potentiality of that being in New York
to females from New York, which of course from Jersey,
so kind of a natural choice there.

Speaker 3 (32:36):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (32:36):
I mean, my biggest thing that I want to talk
about is is this fight a big enough to bring
in a lot more casuals, casual fans into boxing, new
fans into boxing.

Speaker 3 (32:46):
You know, they both have their fans, they're big names.

Speaker 4 (32:48):
But I guess I also kind of fall into the
trap of I follow boxing and don't have a lot
of Like I don't have a lot of boxing people
that I talk to other than you and like a
couple of friends. So I don't know what the public
perception of how many people know who taylorpez, who know
who should Course Stevenson is. I don't know how popular
they are outside of the boxing world. So I just

(33:09):
want to get your take on what we expect for
this event and what's what it's going to do for
the sport.

Speaker 1 (33:14):
It's a big enough event because Shaker Stevens is an
active guy that likes to market things, so him being
out in the marketing trail for the next six to
eight weeks constantly marketing and fight. I think that's a
good thing. So I think that's cool. With that being said,
there's something interesting about this fight because Tafi Mo Lopez

(33:36):
is also got talks a lot and does a lot
of things. To have two guys that would be constantly busy,
constantly chap, you know, chattering it up regarding this situation,
so I think that's a good situation all the way around.
The casual fans is tough because normally you need names
that people know before they fight. It'd be one of

(33:56):
those fights where people know their names after the fight.
After I'm going to a fighting can be However, I will
say this.

Speaker 2 (34:05):
This is probably the last fight that's just cure. Stevenson
is gonna be the B side.

Speaker 1 (34:10):
If he is the B side of this fight, this
is probably the last fight that he's the B side.
I think he's gonna take care of business in late January.
But yeah, I think this is the last fight where
if he's not getting the full the better of the
split or anything like that, this would be the last.

Speaker 2 (34:25):
This would be the last fight of that.

Speaker 4 (34:27):
I can see that. Yeah, I would definitely agree. You
make really good points about the marketing. I mean, Stevenson
is very charming, like he's just like a He's like,
he's good on the mic, he's photogenic, you know, he's
just just seems like he's he seems like a fun hang.

Speaker 3 (34:44):
Just just to be honest, like seems like cool dude.

Speaker 4 (34:47):
H tell Febo is a pain in the ass. He's
a fucking cloud, and I sometimes I can't sit it.
But sometimes he's really funny, Like I can't do that.
He's really funny. But sometimes you just want to tell
him shut the hell up. So actually remember before that
July fourth event, Den he interrupted somebody asking Devin Haty
a question and he was.

Speaker 3 (35:07):
Like, bro, shut up.

Speaker 4 (35:08):
You never stopped talking it, which is real, and tell
people just goes fuck Bill.

Speaker 3 (35:13):
I don't know, I just I just think that shit
is really really funny.

Speaker 4 (35:15):
So it's one of those like tales like gold dude,
I love to hate and hate to love talented fighter.

Speaker 3 (35:21):
So you know we're not I'm not talking.

Speaker 4 (35:22):
Taking anything away from that, but he definitely is a
attention getter.

Speaker 1 (35:27):
So I will say this that fight Shakur is actually
a huge favorite. Minus three fifty is a big favorite.
In this fight.

Speaker 2 (35:34):
I didn't was not expecting that. You know, I think
he's gonna win. But yeah, right now it's minus three
fifty minut you got put up three hundred fifty dollars.

Speaker 1 (35:42):
I want to hunter back to Femo is plus two
fifty mining that if he wins forever one hundred dollars,
you bet you get two fifty backs.

Speaker 2 (35:49):
So it's very interesting betting lines. It seems like Vegas
and Powers that Be have Shakira Stevenson well favored in
this one.

Speaker 4 (35:59):
Yeah, not to say that tel Fimo is like over
the hill or anything, but he's as as a close
personal friend of the show, al Bergsten said, he's got
more tread on his tires, you know, like I think
he's twenty eight, he's.

Speaker 3 (36:10):
Had a lot more fights, and so I don't know.

Speaker 4 (36:13):
I mean, he did seem it seemed to be touching
over for him for a while after he lost to
cambosos Uh and then he had I remember a fight
after that where he won but he didn't look that
great blah blah blah. So there was conversation of you know,
has Tail lost it, et cetera. I think he's come
back strong.

Speaker 3 (36:30):
I think he still.

Speaker 4 (36:31):
Got it, but definitely, you know, more has more fights
and more experiences on him than chakhor so.

Speaker 3 (36:40):
Plus the thing twenty eight, that's that's uh.

Speaker 4 (36:42):
You're basically a Gramby in the sports, you know, not
that he's old at all, but we got to be
real about it. At boxing is a young man's game
and this could be you know, the handoff, the trade
off to the new big superstar, this at this weight class.

Speaker 3 (36:55):
So I don't know, I don't know.

Speaker 4 (36:57):
Are you are you expecting personally Jameson, Are you expecting
a Stevenson win?

Speaker 2 (37:02):
Oh? Yeah, absolutely, Like I think it should have This
fight should pie taking place six months ago or not.
It should have happened sooner. But that's the here nor there.

Speaker 1 (37:11):
Okay, they've been this has been talked to all over
a year now, these two fighting, So I'm glad we
finally got it. But yeah, Stevenson's a better fighter, you know, younger,
more athletic, faster, you know, more sharper. He's the guy
that I said, Vegas coming out this strong with these odds,
it makes sense.

Speaker 3 (37:30):
Yeah, I would also predict the Stevenson win for sure.
The only thing that I don't want.

Speaker 4 (37:36):
Is both of these guys kind of avoiding each other
because they're both very skilled. They're fast on their feet,
and then they're good at getting in moving out, you know, actually.

Speaker 3 (37:43):
Get in there and dig in.

Speaker 4 (37:45):
Neither of fighters that will stand at the center of
the ring and fight each other stand toe to toe
if they don't need to. Stevenson has shown that he
can do it absolutely. But you know, these styles are
I guess say they have similar styles and how they
move and how they fast they are on their feet,
the hitting and the hit and don't get hit aspect

(38:06):
of it, right. But but I am excited, you know,
And as long as they they really come to to
to actually beat the shit out of each other and
put on a good show, I'm for it. So yeah,
I mean I I definitely would say I would say
if it goes the distance, I don't see a knockout on.

Speaker 1 (38:27):
The other end, Yeah, and then out boxing Chakuer though, well,
I'd be shocked if that happened.

Speaker 4 (38:35):
Yeah, I'm trying to think of a fight. I believe
it was last year. I think maybe that that I
saw Stevenson. I believe it was the one that was
on my birthday, and I do forget who he fought.
I'm sorry, tell Femo, tell Fema fought less here forget
who it was. Came out with the wind, but definitely
look like he got out classed an outbox in this one.

(38:56):
And like he to me, he won, but like barely.
So again, Tail isn't you know, invincible undefeedable.

Speaker 3 (39:03):
Uh, and he's not.

Speaker 4 (39:06):
On out classible, that's unout boxable. And I think Stevenson's
got the good. So I think this is the fight that,
based on their personalities, like the promotion needs to go
real hard on you know, the interviews, the clips, the reels,
the shorts of them, you know, uh, messing with each other,
all of that stuff I think can get regular people

(39:28):
interested in boxing with two dynamic personalities engaging guys.

Speaker 3 (39:32):
I think this is one where.

Speaker 4 (39:34):
The personalities are right and it's fun. It's not not
just like Mike Tyson throwing to murder somebody and like
sexually you know, debase them and you know, eat their
bones or whatever. This could be a little bit more
lighthearted between them, and I think it's I think it
could be really really good opportunity to bring in new fans,
and especially again because these guys are young especially shakor

(39:56):
people that want to uh find a new fighter and
then and.

Speaker 3 (40:00):
Follow them for a while and become fans.

Speaker 4 (40:01):
You know, like the field is right, the opportunity here
is just like it's theirs for the taking.

Speaker 3 (40:08):
So please don't.

Speaker 4 (40:08):
Screw this upright, be different than I don't know, like
if I became an archer better b a fan like
this year, I still a great fighter, but there's like
years and years that I missed out on, you know
what I mean.

Speaker 3 (40:20):
It's not like that.

Speaker 4 (40:23):
Yeah, anyway, so well almost there, twenty twenty six is
around the corner, and I'm really excited about what's gonna
happen there. But in the meantime, let's switch gears and
move on to our segment that we call pop Pugilism,
in which we discussed a movie, TV show, documentary about boxing.

Speaker 3 (40:40):
And today I went back.

Speaker 4 (40:42):
Into the nineties. Ask ask your parents or grandparents about
the Nighties. Kids to talk about The Great White Hype
from nineteen ninety six, directed by Reginald Hudland, starring Samuel Jackson,
Jeff Goldbloom, Damon Wayne's, Peterberg, Jimmy Fox, stacked cast. That's
not even everybody in the cast but big names, but
it is absolutely stacked. So the story it is, it's

(41:04):
a boxing comedy, it's a satire about the boxing world.
Samuel Jackson essentially plays a don king caricature trying to
make a fight for his fighter, Damon Wayns. The Grim
Reaper Roper is the name of the fight. Really stupid
name for a fake fighter. Like, I know it's a comedy,
but that's pretty stupid. But anyway, so Samuel Jackson is

(41:26):
trying to make a fight. His whole thing is Damon
Waynes's most recent fight was a financial flop because audiences
are tighter seeing black versus black fighters, they need a
white guy to inspire the hopes of white boxing fans.
So he ends up finding Peter Berg, an amateur fighter

(41:47):
who defeated Damon Wayns, and convinces him to get back
in the ring. Uh and essentially a marketing a marketing
scam to try to, you know, build some hype of
the idea of a.

Speaker 3 (41:57):
White heavyweight fighter.

Speaker 4 (41:59):
So yeah, just before we get to talk about some
more about this movie and how it fits into the
boxing world and race and culture, what did you think
about it as it was Jameson, So.

Speaker 2 (42:08):
I remember this watching this movie when it came out,
I remember watching in the nineties. I remember it'd be
on HBO forever and Cinemax forever, so I've seen it
hundreds of times, hundreds, hundreds hundred of time.

Speaker 1 (42:20):
It was basically a playoff Don King, basically, that's kind
of what it was. And it was interesting because a
lot of a lot of the things you hear about,
like boxes have a bunch of cars and.

Speaker 2 (42:32):
They get paid and everything but money. So it was
definitely fascinating.

Speaker 1 (42:35):
But at the end of the day, we know what
makes boxing, and boxing makes mixed culture fights. That's what
brings out the biggest car because you have two different
types of people interested in the fight.

Speaker 2 (42:48):
So this one was a case of black versus white,
which was very big up until probably about the you know,
the two thousands. Then ever since the it's been you know, black,
Mexican black, and some sort of Hispanic you know, country
or culture. So that's been the shift.

Speaker 1 (43:08):
But it was cool, it was funny, but it really
depicted a lot of what we've known boxing to be about,
so that's that was cool.

Speaker 4 (43:17):
Yeah, I don't I remember seeing this on HBO while
channel surfing. I've never seen it all the way through.
I didn't know that much about it, but I've seen
bits and pieces, like it's definitely familiar, but not enough
that I knew the story.

Speaker 3 (43:28):
And also I don't I don't know that. When I
was a kid, I really.

Speaker 4 (43:32):
Knew the the idea of the Great White Hope being
a real thing. So and sorry for those of you
who don't know, Uh, that's the thing that people will
find a white fighter that they would call the Great
White Hope because the desirous for them to beat the
black heavyweight champion.

Speaker 3 (43:48):
Like it's not subtle.

Speaker 4 (43:50):
They're absolutely saying, like, we don't like that there's a
black heavyweight champ, and we need to find.

Speaker 3 (43:55):
A white guy to defeat him.

Speaker 4 (43:57):
Like that's been a thing that's been going on forever
of boxing. So that's kind of.

Speaker 1 (44:00):
Why, Yes, that's why Rocky's created and had a bunch
of spinoffs.

Speaker 2 (44:06):
That's basically like when.

Speaker 1 (44:07):
Rocky first came out in the late seventies early eighties,
the heavyweight visual thing ran by black guys. So the
thought of a random white underdog guy, you know, being
able to be a black heavyweight champ was a thing.
So the reason why we've had several of these types
of movies come out over the years. Is it kind
of tells a story of what they want or wish
to see, but a lot of times ain't reality.

Speaker 4 (44:31):
Yeah, I mean, and that's uh. I do like the
idea that they take that concept and make it into
a satirical comedy. I like that it shows the darker
side of boxing. I always enjoy when movies do that,
even though you know, absolutely love the sport. It's the
only sport I've ever truly cared about, I've ever been
invested in, I've ever been passionate about. But I'm also

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realistic and I've dummy. Like I know, it's it's it's corrupted,
it's it's fucked up, and you know, people get screwed over,
people die, people get injured, it's very dangerous. I just
kind of always like show a little bit of everything.
You know, a lot of boxing movies we watch and
talk about on the show.

Speaker 3 (45:08):
You know, their triumphant stories.

Speaker 4 (45:10):
You know, boxing brings people out of poverty, you know,
it brings them into fame, blah.

Speaker 3 (45:14):
Blah blah, and that's cool.

Speaker 4 (45:16):
Like I'm I'm happy to watch those movies, but I
do like this one that it's got shady backroom dealings.
It's got you know, money changing hands for to hype
up a fighter who just for the sake of the
the show and not.

Speaker 3 (45:31):
Really the good of the sport, et cetera. You know,
so that I enjoyed.

Speaker 4 (45:37):
I did get some laughs, you know, some some stuff
it doesn't hold up as well. You know, I do
appreciate the race stuff. The jokes about Race Star are
being front and center. It does not shy away from
any of that. You got John Reyes Davies, who plays
Gimli and Lord of the Rings, telling Peter Berg is like,
do it for the white race. You're Irish but they're

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basically white, which is I almost relief.

Speaker 3 (46:01):
I was like, okay.

Speaker 4 (46:01):
I mean, also, it's a little hard to watch because
John Rees dave Is as the person is pretty racist.
I remember him just like just going off on Terra's
about Muslims and how terrible they are from being Muslims.

Speaker 3 (46:13):
So that guy's just scum back.

Speaker 4 (46:14):
But there's some lines here that I'm like, it's it's
that that I like, Okay, it's not funny when somebody
says it's seriously, but with it when.

Speaker 3 (46:21):
It's in a comedic movie. It got me. It's not
okay to say, and you know, in in in mixed.

Speaker 4 (46:27):
Company, but uh, but yeah, I I liked, Like I said,
the cast is cool. Uh, Peter Berg playing Irish Terry Conklin,
The The Contender, The Challenger.

Speaker 3 (46:41):
Uh. He actually ended up being.

Speaker 4 (46:43):
A popular director. I don't think his movies are very good. Uh,
but he's a well known director now. He works a
lot with Markey Mark. He did all the uh all
the Marky Mark saves, you know, people from real tragic
events like the deep water Horizon oil rig thing, the
Boston Marathon bombing thing. All those are Peterburgerys. He makes
kind of basic action movies. But so I've known about

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that guy for a long long time. I knew he
did acting, but I've never actually seen him in like
an extended role. He did he did okay, But I
just think he portrayed the ridiculous character pretty well. Another
great line was they announced him at the press conference
as Irish Harry Conkline. Backstage, he says, I've got Irish,
and John Lovett says.

Speaker 3 (47:27):
It's boxing. It just means your white kid out there.
So so that got me.

Speaker 4 (47:32):
But yeah, I mean I here's one thing that I
was I was really curios about this movie that I
want to get your take on.

Speaker 3 (47:41):
This is very much an inside boxing movie.

Speaker 4 (47:44):
Like I enjoyed it and I appreciate what it was
doing because I know boxing. But I can't imagine that
a lot of people who just want to watch like
a like a comedy or fans of Samuel L. Jackson,
for example, that they'll really connect with this. I mean,
but again, this is the ninety six when boxing was huge.
It's not like it was now, you know. I just
want to see what your what your thoughts on and

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whether how accessible this movie would be that somebody is
not a boxing fanatic and boxing obsess like we are.

Speaker 2 (48:13):
With that being said, I think it did enough to
show the back ground of the sport while being funny
and engaging. And I think that's a big thing.

Speaker 1 (48:25):
Being able to show things in a funny light and
a funny light that is a thing that helps a
lot when it comes to these kind of things.

Speaker 2 (48:36):
So I definitely think that's the that's the case for sure.

Speaker 4 (48:41):
Yeah, that's a good thing. I'm curious about it because
it's boxing. The actual fights are not front and center,
and the match at the end, it's not very well choreographed.
You can tell these guys didn't do actual boxing training,
which is fine, you know, it's not it's not Michael
Manzali or you know, anything like that, or you know Creed.

Speaker 3 (49:00):
Where you can tell that, like, these dudes trained to
be boxers essentially.

Speaker 4 (49:05):
But it does seem like it's about the business. I
guess that's what I'm trying to say. It's so much
about the business of boxing that I'm I'm just wondering
your thoughts on you.

Speaker 3 (49:13):
Know how.

Speaker 2 (49:15):
So thirty years ago boxing was way bigger in this
country than it is today, and a lot of people
who were who were of age, understood and knew more
about the business because at that time you had these
promoters getting sued left.

Speaker 1 (49:30):
And right, and you had a lot of horror stories.
You also have a lot of stories about boxers not
getting paid what they were worth. So it's one of
those things where I think at the time it was
perfect because that's a time where Tyson got out of jail.

Speaker 2 (49:46):
Also the time.

Speaker 1 (49:46):
Where Vander Holyfield something issues with you know, his promoters.
It was just a lot you always heard of boxers
not getting paid their full worth for whatever that meant,
whether the contract was bad, whether the promoters were this janky,
whatever it may have been. We always heard these stories
and these guys are always in courtrooms, and it made

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the news.

Speaker 2 (50:08):
So I think at the time it was just right.

Speaker 3 (50:11):
Okay, I see that.

Speaker 4 (50:12):
Yeah, and Don King was a very, very like prominent figure.
A lot of people knew him, not just the look,
but you know, the way he.

Speaker 3 (50:17):
Talked, et cetera. So so I can see.

Speaker 4 (50:19):
I can't imagine anybody back then seeing a trailer for
this movie and not going, oh, he's Samuel Jackson is
playing Don King, you know, just with a different name.

Speaker 3 (50:30):
Definitely, yeah, yeah, I thought it was fun.

Speaker 4 (50:33):
I also now we've seen like a bunch of speaking
of Don King, we seen a bunch of different portrayals
of him.

Speaker 3 (50:38):
It's Samuel Jackson playing him a character that is supposed
to be him.

Speaker 4 (50:41):
We've seen Big Raims do it in the biopiic for
HBO and in the Sidney Sweeney movie Christy.

Speaker 2 (50:47):
We saw it.

Speaker 3 (50:48):
Oh, I don't remember his name, but Cutty from the
Wire playing gun King. What are your thoughts on how
sam Jackson sort of embodied the spirit of this character.

Speaker 1 (50:57):
I thought it was great, did very well, did very
very well, and we knew what he was doing, right,
we knew, we knew the role he was playing. So
it's very good man. Like I said, acting was actually
really good. They depicted the things that us true sports
and boxing fans know about all the way around, so
it was cool, like no complaints at all to me.
The biggest thing in this particular thing was just showing

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the real because all this stuff is real. You also
have a box that didn't take the fight seriously and
then turns it up when it needs to. You know,
all these things that we've seen, those things we've actually
seen before in real life. So it's just like, yeah,
this is all it's based on a true story in
some ways.

Speaker 2 (51:37):
To perform, that's just kind of how it goes. But now,
it was definitely a good boxing movie. It's actually a
movie I would have someone to watch if they wanted
to know more about boxing itself because it covers everything.

Speaker 4 (51:50):
Okay, yeah, I think Samuel Jackson is definitely someone that's
naturally gifted to play a don king because he's you know,
a big character, very carous, magic and just larger than life.
And just to make sure it.

Speaker 3 (52:04):
Give a shout out to the then Chadel Coleman is the
actor who played dun King in the movie Christy that
we talked about last episode cutting from the wire. But yeah, no,
I that does.

Speaker 4 (52:13):
That is a good point because the it has it
does have a little bit of everything, and if somebody
is I was under the impression while I was watching
that it may turn.

Speaker 3 (52:23):
Off non boxing fans, but I can see it from
your perspective.

Speaker 4 (52:26):
That it talks about shady business dealings, fighting itself, training,
et cetera, race issues, racism that it is. It could
be a good opening salveo for somebody that wants to
learn about the sport and honestly, for someone, honestly, someone
like me that never really cared that much about behind
the scenes stuff. I've heard the stories, but I always
only cared about what happened when the bell rang. Yeah no,

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I kind of seeing it in a different light after talking
about it with you, So yeah. Well, And on the
show we rate movies out of four gloves, Jamison, how
would you rate The Great White Hype?

Speaker 2 (53:00):
Oh? Three point like six sixty six? Why? Very very good?

Speaker 1 (53:05):
It wasn't perfect acting, but it is starting the purpose
It was really good. Like I say, it's one of
those movies where whenever it was on, I would mess
around and finish watching it.

Speaker 2 (53:14):
So it was cool it was always on.

Speaker 1 (53:17):
You know, we have hbos in a max se time,
it was always on, So it's kind of nostalgic for me.

Speaker 3 (53:23):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (53:23):
I don't think it got a lot of didn't do
a lot of numbers in box office.

Speaker 3 (53:27):
It wasn't very critically regarded.

Speaker 4 (53:28):
I think it's underrated, underseen and if you're yeah, if
you're a boxing fan at all, a modern day boxing fan,
I want to learn more about how it was in
the nineties. Definitely a strong recommend. I would give this
three point five.

Speaker 2 (53:42):
That's cool.

Speaker 3 (53:43):
That was definitely check it out.

Speaker 4 (53:47):
Yeah, So Jamison, where can people find you on social media?

Speaker 2 (53:51):
Before we get a shout out?

Speaker 1 (53:53):
I don't know if it's been talked about or anything yet,
but we are getting Crawford and Canelo too, and yes,
Crawford Angel for you win the first one, so we
are getting I would be shocked if we don't get it.
There's no one else either got to fight. There's money there.
The first fight was close enough for them to be
another one, So I think we get an announcement sometime

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within the next thirty days or so that we're getting
a second fight between the two.

Speaker 4 (54:18):
You know what, it's a it's December, it's Christmas season.
Let's give it a little gift to some extra bonus
content here. Yeah, okay, before yeah, we close off, we
can talk about that. So Bud Cruffer did say he
wants one hundred amas for the fight, get it that
he deserves it. Do you think you can get it
from this?

Speaker 3 (54:37):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (54:37):
Absolutely.

Speaker 1 (54:38):
If you if you put out Christmas Days saying hey,
we're fighting in September again, you have an eight month
marketing plan for a rematch, and you go from there.

Speaker 2 (54:49):
I think absolutely absolutely. And you're having another.

Speaker 1 (54:53):
Football stadium, whether it's a Legion or whatever. Yes, And
it gives you time to put on Amazon flo whomever.
Somebody got the bags. Somebody got it. And that's the thing.
He's at the state of his career. He can't go
back and fight anyone else. There's no one else he
can fight for the money. Like it's like anything else.
Once you get used a certain quality of something, you're

(55:13):
not going back down to the net is not happening.
So I equate the stakes once you have like fine,
fine steak, you're not gonna settle for any old thing
unless you have to.

Speaker 2 (55:24):
He don't have to.

Speaker 1 (55:25):
He's the guy after in the position to bargain. Also, Canelo.
Canelo don't have a lot of other megafights out there anyway,
even though he's a very popular name. We know the
Mexican people will come out and support him wherever he's
fighting and will watch and we'll be ready.

Speaker 2 (55:42):
For the fight the whole nine. So a hundred million
might be a bit steep.

Speaker 1 (55:47):
It's one of those things where he might want one hundred,
but he'll set up for seventy five as long as
he's making As long as he's the A side of
the fight this time and making the majority of the purse,
I think he's okay with that. But yeah, here's the thing,
there's no there's no other fight either of them can
fight at this moment, and there's still money for a
second fight.

Speaker 4 (56:09):
Yeah, I one hundred percent agree that he deserves it.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying he doesn't. I'm
just saying wondering how realistic it is. But yeah, I mean,
Canelo his any other option for anybody to be excited
about a Canelo fight, Like really excited would be if
he either he fights Ben the beats, which you won't do,
or rematches Beople.

Speaker 3 (56:26):
What you won't do. In my opinion, I really.

Speaker 4 (56:28):
Don't see either happening, especially not people because now he
knows that he can't beat the guy.

Speaker 2 (56:35):
So yeah, there's a big money in that him fighting
Crawford again and vice versa.

Speaker 1 (56:40):
There's big money in that. There's a super Bowl type
of feel with that. Even though the first fight was
what it was, the scorecards were closer than we actually
thought in real life. However, there is money there, and
at the stage of both of these guys careers, there's none.

Speaker 2 (56:58):
Other mega fight out there for either guy.

Speaker 1 (57:00):
At this time. The longer we wait, the more you risk,
you know, losing out on that fight.

Speaker 2 (57:07):
So that's why I said, I think we get announced
within the next thirty to forty five days.

Speaker 4 (57:12):
Sure, And you're talking about the money side, what I'm
saying is that in terms of like to be excited,
I'll put it to you this way. So I'm a
Canelo fan, I'm always gonna, you know, tune in for
his fight. I'm aways gonna be excited for his fight
because there is a difference between him fighting but Crawford
versus him fighting honestly, whoever the hell he fought last
time in May of this the Cuban guy.

Speaker 3 (57:32):
It was a boring fight. I's sort of like.

Speaker 4 (57:36):
I'm not even gonna look it up because I'm literally
just like racking my brain to talk.

Speaker 1 (57:41):
Things where both of those dudes are at a stage
where the options.

Speaker 2 (57:45):
Are very limited.

Speaker 3 (57:46):
Sure, sure, yeah, And for me saying like who else
could he fight?

Speaker 4 (57:49):
For me to not just go watch Canello fight because
I like the guy, but who else could like get
me pumped up and like, let's see who you know what?

Speaker 3 (57:56):
Uh, you know, if there's a challenge, maybe Canel can
be a bigger guy, et cetera. I'm not really feeling
other than I would be stoked for a bit of
being just fighter.

Speaker 4 (58:04):
A BBO rematch, I don't see it happening. And other
than the but Craftord rematch, there's nobody else can I
can fight right now I can think of that would
really really kind of get me hyped, you know what
I'm saying exactly, So, yeah.

Speaker 3 (58:15):
I mean I want to see it for sure.

Speaker 4 (58:17):
I don't know that I think it could be Canello's
big finale. It's big goodbye. So if he takes a
fight a tune up in May, you know another guy
that not super fights left.

Speaker 1 (58:29):
On the deal, right, Yeah, tune up fight in May
and then a September Dasta Swan song and everybody get paid,
everybody have fun and everybody little happily ever after.

Speaker 3 (58:40):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (58:40):
And I wouldn't say and I say this, I say
this is a fan so you know, please let me
know what your thoughts are. I wouldn't say that would
be a bad career under for Canlo, even if he
loses to butt again. Even if he loses again, I'm
not going to say that, oh he's he went out
like a loser.

Speaker 3 (58:54):
Like BM blah blah blahot.

Speaker 2 (58:56):
He's fought everyone, like outside of beritaz. Uh. He he's
for everyone.

Speaker 1 (59:01):
And you know he's taken all challenges for about fifteen
years now.

Speaker 2 (59:08):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (59:12):
No, even if he retires on a loss, I'm gonna say,
we're gonna look back at that man's career and be
you know is there's no there's no shame in it.
And uh, he's been excellent fighter excellent not just him
as a fighter, excellent for the sport, you know, the
biggest pay per view star, one of the few pay
per view stars.

Speaker 3 (59:30):
Uh, And that's something we're gonna.

Speaker 2 (59:31):
Talk for a while. He carried after Floyd retired or
doever you want to call it. He carried it because
he was the main box office guy. He delivered most nights,
so gotta give him credit. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (59:44):
The only thing that I might be bound about is
after that fight, if Bud Crawford, you know, he's he's
forty now and he's not a young guy, like we're
not going to see I don't know that we're going
to see much more Budd Crafford now that he's a
big star and he's a big household name after this
Canel fight. I mean, of course we'll talk more about
this throughout the rest of the year. But you know,

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it's okay. We talked earlier about shakor beats Tale and Shakers.
Now the guy, because he's got a flourishing career, you
hand over.

Speaker 3 (01:00:12):
The reins of the sport for that nation.

Speaker 4 (01:00:16):
Canel is not handing shit over to Crawford like comforts.
You know, as great as he is, he's not going
to keep fighting fornt the ten years.

Speaker 2 (01:00:23):
No, and that's the thing.

Speaker 1 (01:00:24):
That's why I think another fight gets done because both
are kind of on borrow time.

Speaker 2 (01:00:29):
Both are on hell. We need to know, we need
to get this done because there's no other payday like this,
as well as the opportunity because it's only it's only
worth for both of those guys, it's only worth to
fight each other instead of fighting other people for the
big boy fights.

Speaker 4 (01:00:49):
Yeah, it's an exciting prospect for the fight and then
a really interesting prospect for the boxing world after this happens,
and you know, we'll see what what both guys do,
if anything, If But does get his hundred, and was like,
why help would he go back into the ring after that?

Speaker 3 (01:01:01):
Anyway?

Speaker 1 (01:01:03):
Bestly at the age he's at, I mean he got
like six kids and I think one of the oven
something like that, or five to one on the oven.
So I mean, if you can get another one hundred,
if you can get another seventy five on the way
out or a hundred on the way out, you got
a confessly member. He didn't make a bunch of millions
long top rank like that. He was kind of underpaid
because with the ESPN deal, top rank being how they are,

(01:01:26):
it was kind of weird. So now he gets a
one final pay day on the way out. He's already
good with money, as is I think he's I think
he'll be all right.

Speaker 4 (01:01:35):
Yeah, absolutely, No, I would be excited for I spoke
about it right after the first one happened that I
want to see a rematch.

Speaker 3 (01:01:42):
I would be excited for a rematch. Do we really
need it? Maybe not necessarily, but I again happens, Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:01:51):
Well there's fights that we don't need that I'm like,
get that shit out of my face plenty of times,
you know what I mean.

Speaker 3 (01:01:57):
So this is the fight that I need.

Speaker 4 (01:01:59):
That I personally, Lee would be very excited about. And
you know, at the at the end of the day,
it's all gonna be.

Speaker 3 (01:02:04):
That is what do I want to watch? Because yes,
we can talk about what's good for the sport.

Speaker 4 (01:02:08):
But like I don't know, Jake Paul makes a lot
of money for the sport and I don't give a shit.

Speaker 3 (01:02:13):
About him right right anyway, So on.

Speaker 4 (01:02:17):
That parting shot, literally, yeah, let's uh. As I was saying, Jamison,
where can people find you on social media?

Speaker 2 (01:02:23):
Wells, we're at the Jamison all there during all the
boxing events and everything else, so that's the best places.

Speaker 3 (01:02:29):
Find me great excellent.

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