TMCP Ep 5: Usyk vs Fury 2 Predictions and More

The guys are back to discuss Classy's experience at Navarrete/Valdez, offer predictions and thoughts on Usyk vs Fury 2 and povide another suggestion in this week's Pop Culture Pugilism recommendation: 1992's Gladiator. Remember to submit all questions to [e-mail] and follow the show on Twitter @MixedCoPodcast!

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:01):
In this corner, standing it six foot five, weight class
unknown hailing from Sin City, Las Vegas, Jamison Welsh and
in this corner standing it five foot nine, Wayne Town
with six wins, three losses, two arrests, four late.

Speaker 2 (00:21):
Payments on student loans.

Speaker 3 (00:23):
And two total bankruptcies.

Speaker 2 (00:26):
HiT's the classy. I'll go hold all right, thank you,
Welcome back to another episode of Mixed Company Podcast. You're
joined by myself Jamison Welsh, and of course we are
here with Classic Alcoholic as well. Classy. What's going on?

Speaker 3 (00:42):
Oh man, we're here with episode five and because we
released every other Thursday, I guess Discounts is our official
Christmas episode. So you know, Mary Christmas, everybody listening. I'm
getting in the spirit literally with some eggnog here spiked
with bourbon and listening to that one Coldplay Christmas song
on repeat. So get it in the hull the spirit.

Speaker 2 (01:01):
Okay, Okay, that's what's up. That's what's up.

Speaker 3 (01:05):
Yeah, So what do we got going on the news? Jameson?

Speaker 2 (01:07):
We've got a lot going on, man. Of course, the
never ending battle between Devin Handy and Ryan Garcia. It's
never ending, like they're in court, like it's not a
rise in court now arising each other, now this in general,
but there in court, we got you know, some Crawford Canelo,
you know rumors we have you know, Tyson Fury fighting

(01:29):
this week. We got a lot going on, man, there's
a lot, like there's a long list of just stuff.

Speaker 3 (01:35):
You think it'd be a little bit more chill at
the end of the year, the holidays, a lot of
stuff going on. But there's there's a lot going on
in the news. So, uh, just before we get into
the news, let's let's get into the last episode. We
talked about the Man versus Oscar Valdez fight, and uh,
just a quick recap of that thing that I went
to last weekend man, two weekends ago. That was an

(01:57):
excellent event. It was a really good time. But you
got that fight, jameson did. I did cash the fight?
It came on a little later than normal, Like I
don't know, I know, you're our head. It felt like
it could have came on earlier, but it came on
a lot later than I thought it would. Let's just
say I was waiting in that stadium for a long time.
I was there for like five five hours or something
like that, for a moment hand.

Speaker 2 (02:18):
How did you handle it? Because I know you enjoy
some adult beverages in your time and when you're waiting
for a boxing match, how did you How did that
all go down?

Speaker 3 (02:27):
Well? Yeah, so, first of all, fuck stadium prices on alcohol, man,
you know that. I think next time I go into
event like this, I'm going I'm going on the wagon.
I'll be the classy teetotaler because it's like seventeen dollars
for a tall boy.

Speaker 2 (02:41):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (02:41):
Yeah, it was rough. It was that drain in the bank,
and then the bat The men's bathroom line was a disaster.
It was so long, it was a shit show. And
then guys, we have to stop being disgusting. That bathroom
was so gross. Shout out to the janitorial staff at
the Footprint Center. So that part was kind of was
not fun. It was a lot less fun, just kind
of waiting in between the rounds, waiting in that damn line.

(03:04):
But overall, man, you know it was It was a
great time. Live boxing is always fun. In an event
of this magnitude, the energy was just unreal in the place.
Some of the coolest things that happened in boxing happened
at that event. Like a lot of stoppages, a lot
of knockouts. Nobody got put to sleep, that's the only
thing that was missing. But Oscar Valdez got hit so

(03:24):
hard as mouthguard flew out during the fight. And I
saw it live and it was it was amazing. It's
just it was so much fun. It's set a real
high bar for live boxing event. So for the next one,
it's it's got a lot to live up to.

Speaker 2 (03:38):
And that's interesting because in Phoenix, you don't think of
that being a boxing market, right, you don't think of
Arizona being a hotbed for boxing events. They have plenty
of venues to where you can hold an event at.
You can hold it in Phoenix, Tucson, Glendelle, et cetera.
But you don't think of Phoenix as the first place
special on West Coast hold a fight. But it's good

(03:58):
to know that and hopefully going forward they continue doing
that because it felt like it was a dope fight.
It felt like there's a lot of energy in the
building for that one.

Speaker 3 (04:06):
Yeah, and it's especially helped it was it was a
Mexican event. You know, there's a lot of Mexican fighters.
The main event was two Mexing guys and you know,
of course you can imagine a lot of Mexican population
in Arizona, so that really helped, you know, the energy
people were. Nobody was getting too too rowdy in terms
of like you know, Agro, but there are people, you know,

(04:27):
shouting at each other, rooting for different fighters, but it
was all in good fun. There was a one fight
between Rafis Pinoza, Mexing guy, and Robesi Ramirez from Cuba,
and that was very close to a small group of
people shouting, you know, Cuba, Cuba. Then one guy just
started shouting fuck Fidel Castro, I don't know where, which
is not funny, so I guess that works. But but yeah,

(04:50):
you know, like I said, really good energy, a lot
of fun. Maybe the long wait in between those matches
was was less fun, but I was just happy to
be there.

Speaker 2 (05:00):
Man.

Speaker 3 (05:01):
The seats were really good. Yeah, I can't say, I
can't say enough good things about the experience, so I
can't wait for the next one. Good to here.

Speaker 2 (05:07):
No, it's dope to hear as a as a boxing fan,
you know, I think everyone should experience at least one
fight in person, if financially possible, you know, not everybody
has the means to do so, so I get it,
But if you are a boxing fan, I think you
should at least at least try to at tempt one
because nothing replaces the arena or the city of a

(05:30):
big fight weekend. There's nothing that replaces. I don't care
what you think. There's nothing. You know, super Bowl of course,
Kentucky Derby, NBA Finals, maybe World Series. But in terms
of this a fight weekend, there's a certain energy that
you can't really describe unless you're actually in the arena.

Speaker 3 (05:47):
Sure. Yeah. The only thing I could personally like describe
it to is I actually went to Philly for my
birthday a couple of years ago in February, and that
was the weekend that the Eagles were in the super
Bowl in Phoenix. The game was held Phoenix, so that
whole weekend people were like I heard so many times
people say, oh, you're coming out here and everybody's going
over there, and I was like, shut up, stop saying that.

(06:09):
But the the energy in the town, the Eagles fans,
everybody was in their their jersey and stuff. That was
really cool. I'm not even a football fan. I don't
dislike it. I just don't follow it, but that was
really cool experience being there on the super Bowl weekend
in Philly and it's a cool town. I had a
lot of fun.

Speaker 2 (06:25):
Good good. No, that's cool, that's cool. But no, You're
definitely in twenty five more boxing events, whether they're in
a z Nevada, Cali, wherever they are, where it's manageable.
We can definitely get that set up. Because once you
go to once you start waring to fights, it's it
becomes addicting. It becomes very addicting going forward, Like you
want to go to more, you want to be in

(06:45):
the you want to be on the plaps. You know
you want to be you want to be there. So
that's huge.

Speaker 3 (06:49):
Yeah, absolutely, Skuy's the limit for the Mixed Company podcast
in twenty twenty five, we're just getting started. Baby. Also
literally for this episode, for the next news story, I
want to give a shout out to a listener from
Blue Sky named Michi who asked if we were going
to talk about this particular fight. We love taking questions
and suggestions on topics from the audience, so please don't
be shy, y'all. Whatever you want to hear on the show,

(07:11):
let us know The story is that last weekend, Mexican
boxer Himen Mungia, who is a very good boxer, was
knocked out by Frenchman Brunos Sudras. So this was a
homecoming fight for Mungia and his native Tijuana and it
was supposed to be his big comeback after his first
ever loss to Canelo in May of this year. Although
that loss was by decision and uh man, it was

(07:33):
an upset definitely, people did not expect it. Let me
say this, if there's one thing that would make this
show truly successful, I think is if we could inspire
boxing fans to be better and not just repeat the
same shit they hear over and over the cliche comments.
Because when the mcgia fight was announced against Sudas, you
might guess what happened. A bunch of people were commenting
on ig that, oh, he's fighting an uber Driver. That's

(07:56):
the current thing that fans are parroting. He's an uber
Driver because it's a name they haven't heard of. Like
if the name isn't familiar, this guy must be a bomb.
Like I think that's dumb. If there's anything good that
comes from a Mexican guy getting knocked out by a
French and maybe we'll get people to shut up with
that uber driver stuff because right, you don't know, man,
You know when yeah, I got knocked out in the
sixth round was a good clean knockout. And sure Sudasa's

(08:18):
record wasn't as extensive, but nobody's is until they get
more experience.

Speaker 2 (08:23):
Right, It's true, this is true. But what you're asking
for is people to be rational. Remember fans so short
for fanatics, So you got to realize that you're asked
for a fanatics to be rational. It's very hard to
do with. With that being said, I do wish people would
analyze the whole situation of a fight rather than this
root for their own If you analyze and break down

(08:44):
the fight itself instead of just your rooting interest, I
think we'd all be a lot better off, especially since
if you know the sport, if you know how to
you know how the sport works, and you can break
it down of the strengths and weaknesses of each fighter.
I think if you could do that and be non biased,
I think we'd be all better off. Problem is a
lot of people get their feelings and emotions involved in
these discussions and it never works.

Speaker 3 (09:04):
Out well, sure, and you know I'm I'm guilty of
it too. You know, I want my guys to win.
I wanted the Mexican got to win. But at the
end of the day, it only takes one punch to
change the course of a fight, and anything can happen
in boxing. That's why I think it's the greatest part
of the world, to be quite honest with you, So
you know, and don't forget. Every country in the world
has a boxer, so there's gonna be a lot of

(09:26):
names you've never heard of. So don't immediately assume that
you know somebody's above just because you had You know what,
I am going to paraphrase the film Ratitui. Not everyone
can be a great fighter, but a great fighter can
come from anywhere.

Speaker 2 (09:42):
No, that's real. That's real, And I think that in
this era is way different because not a whole lot
of people experience struggle like they did back in the day.
Like most of the boxers always came from bad backgrounds, right,
very poor, poverty situations, immigrant whatever, how do you want
to slice it. So, yeah, it was a little bit
different nowadays. You don't see that, like Ryan Garcia wasn't poor.

(10:05):
You know what I mean, Like, certainly the other guys
weren't like dirt poor. It just didn't happen that way.
It's just a different generation, different era. But with that
being said, you don't play boxing, you gotta have it
in you. You cannot pretend you will get exposed at
some level, some way, shape or form. You will get
exposed if you think you can play boxing. It never

(10:26):
works out that way.

Speaker 3 (10:28):
Yeah, and you know Mungia, like I said, he is
a good fighter. He has had a very good record,
but maybe he was coasting. You know, he thought this
is my hometown. This guy has got you know, half
my fight Slimbacy. I got to hear. Uh, let's see
Mungia before this fight, he had forty three fights, thirty
five knockouts and only the one lost to Canelo. So
I said, twenty five fights, zero losses and only four knockouts.

(10:50):
So he probably thought, this guy ain't got shit on me.
You know, I'm gonna my people got they got me.
My people got me a Mintijuana in my hometown. Easy work.
And sorry brother, you know I love you, Hymet, But
uh that's you got to give credit where credit is due.

Speaker 2 (11:05):
How many times have we seen guys lose at home.
You know, guys will either have a belt or just
came off a big fight. They'll fight at home and
they'll just not be focused or just lose. And yeah,
it's it's an It happens more often than you would
think looking back at all things, especially over the last
like twenty years, a lot of guys would fight back

(11:25):
at home and it just doesn't plan out well forever. Reason.

Speaker 3 (11:30):
Yeah, I mean I maybe just they're high on their
own supply. I think that's another lesson that I hope
people take from the show is don't get high in
your own supply.

Speaker 2 (11:39):
Well, here's the thing. If you're good enough, it doesn't matter, right,
if you're just overall talented is what it is. But
if you need to be focused, like if you need
to have all your your ducks in a row, then
you need to do that. Like, so that's where I
think it's a little bit different. So for instance, I'll
give a perfect example. There's bos who can fight a

(12:02):
B minus fight and still win. Not everybody's all the
time of boxer. There's a game more for than to win,
and it's just based off whether the skill set, whether
it's circle whatever, whatever those circumstances are they need to have.
So every box is different. Now. I think the elite
guys they can come in a bit unprepared or just
non focused and still have an ugly win. But not

(12:24):
everyone's like that, And I think that in the past,
we've seen a lot of guys just get caught. Whether
it's just distraction, whether it's immaturity. I think a lot
of times I remember zad Judah fighting in the garden
and getting dry. It's a lot of it just is
real immature, very immature, not being focused. Corey Spinx's another
guy fought in Saint Louis and didn't work out well,

(12:44):
and he had a belt, I believe as well. So
it's just those things that I don't count. Vegas. There's
not a whole lot of people relocate to Vegas. They
don't are not not from here, So I only don't
count that. But a lot of guys that they go
back to their hometown. It's a big struggle. It's just
hard to stay focused. Man really is.

Speaker 3 (13:02):
Wasn't tell female Lopez playing or fighting in New York
when he lost the belt to Camboso's that big big
upset do we expected? Yeah, I mean that one was
a flip though. Cambosa's kind of trash. But that's another
conversation for you. Just you know, get tail headed off night.
Another thing too, since we're on the subject, I've seen
a lot of fighters who get a big win, big upset,
and their next big fight boom, tanket uh tell Femal Lopez,

(13:25):
Andy Ruis. After you beat Yes, yeah, Josh had a supply,
you know, major upset, nobody expected it, and you think
this guy's the next big thing, next fight, you know,
beat that.

Speaker 2 (13:38):
You can't have guys that aren't expected to win all
of a sudden when everybody's saying how great they are,
and then they're just not as focused. You have more
interviews now, more people are watching, you have more follows
on social media, you have more interviews request. So it's
just everything changes, and if you don't have a strong camp,
or if you're not strong yourself, you have no chance.

Speaker 3 (13:59):
That's fair a right, speaking of people that sometimes are
less focused and come out with ugly wins. This Saturday,
December twenty first, we have a very anticipated rematch between
heavyweights Alexander Ussik from Ukraine and Tyson Fury from British.
Did you watch the last fight in May of twenty
twenty four?

Speaker 2 (14:14):
I did, I did, and I knew what was going
to happen was going to happen based off of the
conditioning of one Tyson Fury. That is the thing. Like, so,
when a guy is that big, when he's that large
of a human being, if he's not in great shape,
if he does not take conditioning well, and his opponent
is ready to fight, that can be more worth more

(14:37):
than just the overall skill set of the two fighters.
The conditioning and the preparation is key when the guys
are at this size. It never fails. If a guy's
not ready to fight, you will see it immediately.

Speaker 3 (14:49):
Sure. I mean, the bigger you are, the slower you are,
and you got to really manage that if you're going
to get into a fight with somebody that's faster, has
better accuracy. I mean, I think Usik was always a
much better fighter. Opinion, especially probably the best competition the
Fury has had in recent years, Deontay Wilder. While a
good fighter, he's never had the actual boxing skills I
think to really be elite. So I think I think

(15:11):
that last fight of theirs was a lot of brute
force between the two of them, which you know that
could just go either way. If you just want to
big giant dudes, you know, throwing hands at a brawl,
that's cool. I mean, don't get me wrong, it's a
great fight. But when you got somebody like Usik that
is very skilled head to toe, great footwork, great accuracy,
I think it's going to turn The second one is

(15:32):
going to turn out just like the last one. But
I don't know, what do you see happening after the fight?
I mean, do you think there'll be a trilogy And
then let's say that Usik wins, maybe maybe there's a
trilogy maybe after that. Fury kind of like coast on
his name. He's already said he's looking for the biggest
payday with the easiest fights he can get, just the

(15:52):
do domestic for his family. What's going to happen in
the future of the heavyweight division. I mean, like I said,
Deanty Wilder's kind of on the way out. He might yeah, yeah,
Anthony Joshua, like the promote lady hearn said, you know
he's still the king, and nobody believed him, so you.

Speaker 2 (16:08):
Can't be you know, no one, no one cares about it.

Speaker 3 (16:10):
I agreed, I don't care about him. So what's what's
the future of the like? I don't know a lot
of names I was. I was really interested in Jerry
the big baby Anderson, but then he took his first
loss a few months ago when he actually fought some
elite competition and maybe kind of kind of stopped his
his rising fame in its tracks. I don't know. I mean,

(16:32):
do you know what of any names coming up that
might be worth looking at?

Speaker 2 (16:36):
So that's the thing. Unfortunately, we're in a weird time
again with the heavyweights. We had that for longest time,
and then we had some guys come up and become
names and have fights. We also never saw Wilder verse Joshua,
even though they both had their flaws. It's two big
names that drew a lot, that would have drew a
lot of interest. It would have been a mega fight
at one point in time. However, that just never took place.

(16:57):
When you miss out on those events in this day
and age, it's really difficult, and that's kind of where
we're at in this situation. That's why we're still relying
on Tyson Fury, who is severely out of shape and
who hasn't taken training seriously the last few fights he's
been in. However, he is a small underdog on Saturday
plus one thirty five meeting. If you do bet one

(17:17):
thirty five or you bet one hundred, you get one
thirty five plus one hundred back. It's not a bad number.
I preferred a little bit more based off what I
saw last time. But also there's a lot of questions
to be asked, like how focus is he? You mentioned
that he's trying to fight without he's trying to fight
the easiest fights to make the most money. Doesn't necessarily's
not a guy focused on winning fights. He's just trying
to get the cash. So that's always a troubling phrase

(17:40):
right there.

Speaker 3 (17:41):
Because there are his own words. Yeah, he gave an
interview he said that so.

Speaker 2 (17:45):
Very troubling. I would not be if I had to
put money on it, I would out feel comfortable betting him. However,
that's probably the best bet odds wise, just because it's
it's plus money. So if you're gonna bet, the possibility
of making more money is to go with him winning.
But man, I don't I don't like to hear the
easiest fight. And yeah, that's not good for it, that's

(18:06):
not good.

Speaker 3 (18:07):
Well, we talked a little bit about betting last episode,
and why I said is that I don't typically bet
when the odds are sol lopsided that you have to
put in, you know, a couple of hundred just to
see any any amount of money. I would rather take
the underdog make the most amount of money with the smaller,
smaller investment. But it has to be if I really
really believe that the underdog is going to win. In

(18:29):
this case, I just don't see it for fury. I
actually speaking of tail Fei Malopez, I made pretty good
amount of money just putting in a little bit when
he was the underdog against oh shit, who was it?
Oh Josh Taylor? Josh Taylor, because you know Tayl had
lost to Kemboso's he want to fight. That was kind
of iffy, and you know people thought it is he
is he on the way out? So but I was

(18:50):
I really believe that Tayl was going to be that
he was the better fighter than Josh Taylor. And you know,
just a few bucks, I was sitting pretty I didn't
go hungry that that weekend.

Speaker 2 (18:59):
So you know, those are good if you get an
upset win. It's always good. I've had a couple of
those in the past, but those are always good. Danny
Garcia has been really kind to me. When he fought
mir con a decade ago, decade plus ago, now almost
twelve years ago. Over twelve years ago, now that was
he was plus five hundred. So it was a good day,
very very good day.

Speaker 3 (19:21):
So yeah, So for this fight this weekend, I mean,
you know, I'm more interested in the aftermath of the
fight than the fight itself. I do want to see it.
I'm interested, but I mean very Hey, he like I said,
he my coast on his name. Oh, he might go
back to doing another season of his reality show. Did
you know there was a tyice of fear of reality
show last year.

Speaker 2 (19:38):
That also, I could see him fighting a UFC guy, truly,
an exhibition like that that brings in a lot of money,
especially overseas, you know. So I can see that happening
because that brings him the most money, and there's interest
with that. I just don't see boxing. I don't see
how to fight for him. I don't even if he wins.
I can see a trilogy, but again, one go for

(20:00):
too you can't get a third one. If you lose
on Saturday, it's over. Like, I don't see it, and
he's not getting there's no need to fight Wilder again.
We don't need to see that. We don't need to
see Joshua. So yeah, I don't. I don't see it,
I said.

Speaker 3 (20:11):
I think. He also said, I think now that you
mentioned that, Fury did say that he would take another
fight with Joshua, which cares you know, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (20:18):
We don't really care. Like and also the Anthony Joshua thing.
When as a boxer, when you have the most hype,
you gotta cash it at that time. If you not
cashing when your hype is the highest, we just don't care.
We don't If you lose the guys you shouldn't lose two,
we don't care. We don't care, we lose interest. So
I advise that all the boxes out there, no matter

(20:40):
what division you're in, when you have buzz and you
have hype, you better capitalized and you better impress. You
better run the score up to where people want to
see you. You never want to get the point where,
oh damn, I forgot about him. You never want to
be in that stage of the box. Oh damn, he's
still boxing. You never want to be in that and
that in that era. If you're in that era, it's
very hard to get out that. It's very difficult. It's

(21:00):
like the Devin Alexander thing, like, oh, he's still fighting.
I haven't seen him fighting three years. You never want
to be in that frame. He was in that frame
for a long time. You don't want to do that.

Speaker 3 (21:10):
That's very true. Yeah, Like we said before, you know
you you gotta fight more often. You got to keep
your name out there. And if you're taking a lot
of l's, well maybe I don't know, look at look
at a different career choice. Maybe commentary might be for you.
But if anybody yes, that's right, Yeah, you would come
on this podcast. If you're yeah, I want I would

(21:31):
tell you. I would love the interview boxer just to
I mean, I know a lot of the ins and
outs in just in general. I love to hear from
their perspective.

Speaker 2 (21:37):
Because we don't have a lot of box we so
when boxing podcasts happen, it's mostly like the big name guys, right,
It's always like the famous powerful Brown Hall of Fame guys.
We don't have a lot of regular guys that are
just not I want to say journeyman because that's not cool,
but just above average guys. I would say we have

(21:58):
a lot of those. We don't get the from them
that much. And I think their stores are probably interesting
more than the guys are the top guys. So yeah,
that's interesting.

Speaker 3 (22:07):
Yeah, I mean, I have some insight. I've done a
lot of sparring, and in a short year period, a
couple of year period, never was great at it. Definitely
fought a lot of guys that kicked my ass. There's
some dudes I thought that are bigger, stronger, faster, and
then a couple of dudes that were all three at once.
So at the very least, I know what it's like to,
you know, to get into a small gym ring. I

(22:28):
know what it's like to get punched in the face.
I know what it takes to try to stay on
your feet for three minutes when you're about to bring
your gased out and you think, holy shit, all I
need to do is survive. But it's nothing at the
level of somebody who could peace professionally, and you know,
and and just saying that, you know, I sometimes say
stuff that like boxers should do, this should do that.

(22:48):
You know, I don't really mean it because I don't
know what it means to compete at that level. But
I know I know something about, you know, getting a
boxing glove in my face. So but there's a lot
of twitter finger boxing fans there. They just take their guy,
you know, and guys pack it up. Please, please, let's
not because I say, oh, well, you know, he should
have moved his legs more. He should have you know,
he shouldn't have quit. He shouldn't have done that, you know,

(23:08):
while sitting on the couch eating their wings.

Speaker 2 (23:10):
Come on, guys, please, There's too many people who have
not been in enough fight in their life, let alone recently,
that have these comments. They don't know. They don't know
how to fight, like, they don't even know how to fight.
They're not a squirrel. They don't know how to throw
a jab. Most people break their wrists or hand if
they threw a punch.

Speaker 3 (23:26):
They don't they don't know that. You need to set
down your way to getting a fighting stance.

Speaker 2 (23:30):
Yes, and a lot of the power comes from you're
asking your hips and the thighs, not just throwing haymakers
from the shoulders. All the power comes from the the core,
your core exactly, That's where all the power comes from.
But again, I'm not professional, and I've had a few
fights in my day, but not those kind, not the
boxing fights. But again, just uh, just be careful because

(23:51):
you never know who's listening, who's watching exactly.

Speaker 3 (23:54):
So uh, if you want to watch, you said versus
phiriy too, it'll be the Saturday of the twenty first
streaming on the Zone pay per view. If you didn't
know that that streaming service d a z N is
actually pronounced a zone. I only found that out like
a year ago. I thought it was actually daz in
and this for something.

Speaker 2 (24:11):
But we called it dozen. It was called yeah.

Speaker 3 (24:14):
Okay, but I heard I heard somebody say we're correct, Yeah,
you're your pronouncedas is correct.

Speaker 2 (24:19):
But everyone else's called it Dazzen because we didn't know
what the TLL it was.

Speaker 3 (24:23):
It's it's not it's not the best name, but it
is streaming for like thirty bucks, which you can pay
for or you can ask on Twitter if anybody has
a streaming link. I don't know anything about that, so
but uh, I might try to find a sports bying
town playing it. But for for a fight, this big
I'm end up at a goddamn Buffalo Wild wins or something.
So I don't know.

Speaker 2 (24:42):
Because that's Saturday, you got college football on, you got
NFL on, It's can be very difficult to find that
on outside.

Speaker 3 (24:49):
Yeah, I might just find I might just watch it
at home. But uh, the fight will be in Saudi Arabia.
So the approximate time for the main event is six
pm Eastern, three pm Pacific four pm here in Arizona
because we don't have daily saving time, which rules, but
it's kind of paid in the ass for international boxing.
So I think I'll just turn the TV on at
two pm my time, just to be safe.

Speaker 2 (25:07):
There you go.

Speaker 3 (25:08):
No, uh, and then one last thing about this particular
fight that it's going to segue into the next conversation.
The universe gave us a perfect segue. There is going
to be an AI referee involved in scoring this match.
Do you hear about this?

Speaker 2 (25:22):
Nah? Nah? Please expound.

Speaker 3 (25:25):
I don't know what much what else to say, because
I just saw a little blur. Maybe it was a
tweet from it was a Turkey Alashikh who's involved in
all these Saudi Arabia fights. It said that there's gonna
be an AI referee, like watching scoring mapping, but it
won't affect the official results. It'll still be judged by

(25:45):
the three judges typically that are there. But there's gonna
be the extra thing to see how it works. So
I don't know much about it.

Speaker 2 (25:52):
How's like a test run then based like a try Okay, okay.

Speaker 3 (25:56):
Yeah, I try to run so but yeah. The next
conversation I wanted anyway was it was actually inspired by
an article from his own formerly known as Dazzen, that
I read a couple of weeks ago called how to
end Boxing scoring Controversies and Cries of Robbery. So the
gist of the article is that other sports like tennis
and football use advances in technology to verify close calls

(26:18):
me by refs. Football games have the video assistant referee.
If you see an NFL game, you can see how
closely they watch replace to determine like if a dude's
foot was even an inch over the line when he
catches the ball down to like centimeters, then the refs
just there's there calls based on the video. So that's
something that has never existed in boxing. I have thoughts
about the idea of bringing technology into the sport. But

(26:41):
but just just to lay some quick groundwork. You know,
boxing matches there's only one minute rest periods in between
rounds three minute rounds for men to two minute rounds
for women. Listen to episode three of this show to
learn more about women's boxing. But yeah, every every match
is scored by three judges separately, So unless the fight
gets stop by a knockout, the judges determine who wins,

(27:04):
you know, but on scoring. So my question a few
jameson is how does scoring and boxing actually work? And
what are the judges supposed to be looking for when
they watch two fighters go ahead to head?

Speaker 2 (27:14):
So great question, great questions. Actually, so the judges are
supposed to be watching the fight, right, and not preconceived
notions and judgments. It's supposed to be. It's supposed to
be watching the fight, not assuming somebody's hitting somebody or
assuming someone's forced to action. There's been fights where a

(27:34):
boxer will be active but won't be making contact. There'll
also be there'll also be an example where a boxer's
making contact but not getting hit, but he's the less
active fighter, and that might fool the judges. I've heard
all different types of things when it comes to judges,
and every judge has basically have different things, right. It's
not like an assistant, Hey, if you have more power

(27:58):
punches you in the round, or hey if you land
more punches in general, you win. That's not necessarily it.
Every judge has different has different things. And also when
there's been scorecards pulled aside to say, hey, what happened here,
there's been different explanations along the way, and it's very
odd that you can have a different interpretation around than

(28:20):
I have. And there's really no guidelines set by that.
There's really no way to kind of tell like, hey,
I have it ten nine, you have it ten nine
the other way? Why or how if you see it?
If you see a fight one way and I see
it another, that's kind of how it goes. Now. I
will say this there a fight is one fifteen one

(28:42):
thirteen or one sixteen one twelve. Okay. I can see
some variances, right, like I can see you having one
round or a few rounds one way me and vice versus.
The issue is when there's one card that's one twenty
one oh eight and another one one fifteen one thirteen,
we're way way of path and something right. That's when
the issue is. But I think people go to the

(29:05):
rig the fix the I want to recount claim too
quickly because we are conditioned to do so because we've
seen so many fights kind of be fishy or kind
of be funny with the judging. So as a as
a whole, we've been conditioned to be like, you know what,
I'm fat, person out robbed. I'm not with that, blah

(29:26):
blah blah. But if a fight's one fifteen, one thirteen,
you know, I can't really cry foul here. I can't.

Speaker 3 (29:35):
Yeah, yeah, I mean, look, there has been actual documented
corruption in boxing throughout his history. Yeah, that's a fact.
You know, we've seen there's some times the mob has
been involved in boxing, you know, in the past that's
come out. But the nature of how the fights are
scored makes that easy. I mean some judges also, some
judges might just be bad at judging. They might be
bad at their jobs right.

Speaker 2 (29:56):
Bad at vision, They can't see something. Most of them
those are older people.

Speaker 3 (30:00):
You can't know for a fact that a judge is
actively intentionally scoring a fight wrong because of bias or corruption,
and or if the judge is really trying his best
and just sucks at his job, or you know, if
they're judging him in good faith, they may see a
fighter doing better than they actually are and really believe it.
You know, it's hard to say. There's a lot of

(30:21):
you know, some ideas going out with the AI referee,
the video assisted referee kind of a thing. If they
bring this technology and we'll make it easier, keeping in
mind that the judges only have sixty seconds to reveal
this video in between rounds, Like if they say, oh,
I messed that up, but there's three minute rounds if
they have to review, like, how can they possible work?

Speaker 2 (30:42):
You got to keep things where they are because at
the end of the day, let's thore has been a
hundred fights where the decision was in question. There's been
so many other fights with the fight where the decision
was fine. You know what I'm me and so I
think you're we're trying to make wholesale changes for like
one percent of issue, and I don't think that's fair
and I don't think that's right. People are people. People

(31:04):
will make mistakes something you're wrong, and there's been mistakes made. However,
AI is not gonna help that. I think that if
We're gonna have the human beings judge a fight. We
gotta live and die with their decisions. And that's just
how it has to be. We can't go to AI
to start deciding fight. That's a whole now you're talking
about You think it was bad before. Oh, they programmed

(31:26):
AI a certain way to judge.

Speaker 3 (31:28):
To have this plan.

Speaker 2 (31:29):
You can't win, like you, you can't win. Oh they
hacked AI so this fighter can win on a decision. Oh,
by the way, this fighter bet money that he win
on decision. So now he made Nope, Nope, can't you
can't do it. Keep it the way it has been.
We live with the results and we go forward. Has
it been robberies, Yes. Has there been some weird scorecards, yes,

(31:51):
But at the end of the day, boxing's boxing, and
everybody knows they sign up for and we all know
in certain places, you got to close the show. You
you cannot leave it up to the judges. If you
are a black boxer in Texas, I ever close the show.
Do not play games. Also, if you are a fighter
of someone else's hood, if you go to someone else's hometown,

(32:13):
you better win by ko. It is very tricky to
leave it to the cars. You want someone else's hometown.
If you do that and you try to leave to
the cars, you are living yourself up for disappointment. But
this is no this is no thing. So that's on
you if you make that mistake. I'm sorry, But everybody
who's watched boxing knows what it is.

Speaker 3 (32:31):
Yeah, that's a very good point. I mean, at the
end of the day. Yeah, if you think that you're
in an unfair position, there's always something you can do,
is go for the KO. That's always an option for you.
And maybe you can't get it, but you can try. Yeah,
I mean, And we have the luxury of seeing so
many different angles in a fight, you know, and TV,
thanks to the mobile cameras, the slow motion is that

(32:52):
replays the material in between the rounds. But don't forget
when the highlights get replayed during the one minute rest period,
the judges aren't even seen that. No, No, they're focused
on doing their job and they're sitting in one position.
They're not moving around, you know. And I don't know
if they even have access to the numbers. No, I know,
I don't believe so.

Speaker 2 (33:11):
Yeah, I don't even think they have access to those
I think they're able to watch the fight and they
make the decision based off of that. I don't know
if they've even able to talk to each other while
they're doing that.

Speaker 1 (33:18):
I don't.

Speaker 2 (33:19):
I don't even know. But yeah, I just honestly, if
we try to make things too perfect. Sports is not
about being perfect. I know we all want the best
results possible, but sports has never been about getting it perfect.
It never has been that way.

Speaker 3 (33:33):
Sure, And like I said earlier, you know I do.
I can enjoy an NFL game when I'm watching it.
It's not something that I follow. But the thing that's
the reason I like boxing is that that ship is
high octane, NonStop. You know. The bad thing about football
is you got timeouts, you got to revel the ref
has to review the video. It's starting and stopping, starting

(33:55):
and stopping.

Speaker 2 (33:55):
You know, you can't have that in a close fight.
Imagine a close fight around ten and they're going over
video for two minutes and everybody is restless. That ain't
gonna work, man, And in some places they start throwing
bottles and cups in the job. Well, you can't do that,
you can't, you can't.

Speaker 3 (34:12):
Yeah, I mean, I think I think the thing that
makes it hard to score a fight is what makes
boxing amazing. You know, there's match ever gets paused.

Speaker 2 (34:22):
No, no, no, I no, I agree with you. And
also you have to know the tendencies of the judges,
you know, and I think that comes from experience. So
if one judge is more prone to score power punch
more than just overall activity, you gotta be you gotta
buy it to that. Now, you have some judges that
just when I see overall activity, and that is what
works with them. So that comes down to you and

(34:43):
your camp and the research that they do. So a
lot of it comes from Austin's doing your homework and
you know, doing the job you're supposed to do.

Speaker 3 (34:51):
Yeah, I mean, at the end of the day, what's
supposed to be scored is does a punch land? You know,
does the land on the faces, the land of the
body if it gets blocked by your hand, under your
arm or your elbow. You know, that's not supposed to
be a point. But sometimes that shit is really hard
to notice when somebody's throwing a large, a big amount
of punches in a short amount of time. If there's
really fast fighters just throwing throwing bombs left and right.

(35:14):
You know a lot of that shit could get missed
and we could watch again, rewatch the highlights on Instagram, YouTube, whatever,
and say, obviously this guy all these punches were landing.
But you know, it's it's a high octane experience live
and human error is always going to be a thing,
and I think it diminishes the sport. If you bring
in the robots are going to review this, you know
they're they're gonna can't do that.

Speaker 2 (35:34):
You can't. You can't. You can't break up the momentum
of a close fight by going to review. You can't
nless somebody gets hit in the private part. You can't.
You can't go and stop the fight in the eleventh
round when it's a closed fight. You just can't, like
the momentum. Getting that momentum back to where it was
is impossible.

Speaker 3 (35:52):
I'm glad to mention that the only times I've seen
like a match get pause is somebody gets punching Dick
or the ladies the below the belt grow in the growing,
growing in the growing. There you go, somebody's mouthpiece falls
out and the ref stops it so they can put it.
But also sometimes they haven't even caught that.

Speaker 2 (36:08):
Sometimes Crowns. Shout out to Dale Crowns. Very infamous mouthpiece
out the mouth the user there.

Speaker 3 (36:16):
Yeah, And the other thing I've seen is uhh, when
a boxer's tape is coming off the glove. Yes, yep,
they'll let the they'll give the corner a chance to
retape the glove in between. But other than that, that
clockdown stop.

Speaker 2 (36:29):
They don't stop. It doesn't need to. We're not here
for that. Like we're here, like you mentioned, we got
to fight. It has to go. It has to go.
But also in a close fight when both guys are
trading shots, you just can't get that momentum back right away.
They don't work that way. It doesn't, So I think
you keep things where they are. I'm cool with experimenting

(36:50):
with AI. I don't mind it, but you can't. There's
too much money on the line to rely on it
on a computer. Wait, that would be that would go bad.

Speaker 3 (36:59):
That would if you want to bring it in, like
I said, just to kind of as an exercise as
the test run and see what it's like and have
something for the commentators to talk about afterwards. Cool, you
know whatever, do your thing. Oh headbuts I forgot to
mention headbuts another thing that yes, yes, accident, accidental headbuts
that'll stop around. I'll pause it. So yeah, otherwise, man
to hit this. This sport is go, go going. That's

(37:21):
what I love about it. You know, you gotta you
gotta give it your all for three minutes. And like
I said, I know the feeling of trying to survive
and try to stay on your feet when you're gassing.
Somebody's throwing wild, well trained and focused punches at your face.
That is correct, So I'm with you too. I try
not to jump at saying a fighter was robbed if
I disagree with the result, you know, I might say,

(37:41):
you know, I might say, well, maybe that this this
was controversial, but I wasn't going to tell it was
say it was intentionally scored badly so one fighter could
be protected or propped up. I would never say that,
except for the Tyson Fury versus Nagan who fight Francis
Nagano beat the brakes off that man one, but the
judges trying to keep Fury his record perfect for the
music fight and frances Gagana was robbed. God damaged justice

(38:04):
for friends and the Ganu.

Speaker 2 (38:05):
Yep, that's right, shout out to the nigan and the
camp I know, actually I know his I know the
person who runs his camp, so shout out to him.
But yes, with that being said, you are correct. He
did get robbed and brought everybody anyone who watched it.
That's a robbery. That's robber. There's been a lot of
robberies over the year, but that is a that's the
most recent one. Word like whoa like, are we all
watching the fight? Like what's going on here? So, yeah,

(38:27):
I'm with you on that.

Speaker 3 (38:28):
At that point, the Furia Music fight was already scheduled,
so they wanted Fury to go in with a co record.
So and just.

Speaker 2 (38:36):
Business overcomes everything in this game, Like the money is
always like it's funny you bring that up. So the
when I actually went to go see Danny fight amer Khan,
Americana was next to fight Floyd and that was a
big fighter at that time. Americana was a fast, flashy fighter,
h a lot of talent. You know, he had a
glass jaw and suspect chin uh. So he gets down,

(39:00):
you can see the ref like trying to tie him
up because that was the big money fighting and you
know he's from overseas, so he puts all the overseas
people with him. But he just last he got dropped
several times within four rounds, and that was the last
of him being a real contender, a mere con.

Speaker 3 (39:17):
Always the brides maid, never the bride, is how I said?
Never never, Yeah, but cool, Yeah, I know. Well, let's
just see what happens on Friday, like I said, Saturday,
my bad. I'm very curious about this, this whole AI
refere aything and see what it means for this fighting
for the future. But now for our pop pugilism segment,

(39:37):
in which we discuss a boxing movie, TV show or documentary. Yeah,
ready for this this episode, we're talking about the movie
Big George Foreman from April April twenty twenty three, directed
by George Tillman Jr. And starring Chris Davis, an actor
who's done a lot of stage work and some small
roles in TV and movies. His first major starring role,
maybe his most memorable, was Tracy in the show Atlanta.

(39:58):
If you saw that, he was one of the guys
in Paper Boys Crew. And then the biggest name of
the cast is easily Forrest Whitaker as Georgie's trainer. So
the movie was another flop. The budget was thirty two
million and only made six million worldwide.

Speaker 2 (40:12):
So and yeah, it wasn't good. The movie wasn't good.
It could have done it. They needed to cover so
many different things. It was too much. They spent way
too much on his childhood and not enough on the
after and the boxing was ad, but it was not done.
They needed a whole new script. They needed a whole

(40:32):
new script. It was not It wasn't it. And also
George deserved more. Like we don't talk about George the
boxer as much as we should. We don't for a
lot of different reasons. We tend to forget anything that
happened in the seventies and before. We don't talk about
like we just like it, doesn't even talk about it,
doesn't even mention it anymore. But with that being said,

(40:54):
we know George more for the grill and the cook
stuff than his bi and that's crazy because he is
a Hall of Fan boxer, one of the best heavyweights ever.
So but yeah, the movie couldn't They needed a new one.
They need to do a better movie because that wasn't it.

Speaker 3 (41:10):
I mean, I'm not even joking here. I also don't
want to diminish the Grill because he is that is
quite literally the reason I did not start for death
in college. Quite honestly, this thing is Torman Grill.

Speaker 2 (41:19):
So but yeah, little.

Speaker 3 (41:21):
Background on George. You know, he's a hometown hero. He's
from Houston, as I am. Shout out to ahetown. Like
I said, he the reason I didn't starving college. He
was a heavyweight champion of the seventies, took ten years
off from boxing to become a Christian minister, started boxing
again in eighty seven at the age of thirty eight,
which is exactly how old I am, which brings me
a great shame for how I've wasted my life. And

(41:42):
he won the heavyweight championship belt again in nineteen ninety
four at the age of forty five when he knocked
out Michael Moore, who was only twenty six years old,
which makes me feel less shamed because it reminds me
that there's still like a chance to do something great
with my life in the next seven years. So but yeah,
the movie was fine.

Speaker 2 (41:59):
Sorry, something no, I actually remember watching the fight. Last thing.
I actually remember watching it. I was like eight or
nine at the time, but I actually remember watching it
because it was like a big deal, Like it was
a huge deal of him winning. And then you know,
he said he's much older Michael Morris in his prime.
But no, it's something that unfortunately we see. He didn't

(42:20):
come back to fight because he wanted to. He came
back because he had to. And I think we're not
seeing that much now anymore because guys are making so
much more money, so it's a little different now. But
back then, the finances were different. They didn't have the
knowledge that we have today. So he had to come
back because the finances were tricky. Trusted someone he met
at job Court to handle his finances, which is never good.

Speaker 3 (42:43):
But and you know so well, actually that part was
was totally made up for the movie. I don't know
if you knew that. I looked it up in the movie. Yeah,
he had a friend from job Court's childhood friend that
he hired to be his moneyman. The moneyman made some
bad financial decisions depleted his back out. But all of
that was made up because what really happened is George
just spent a lot of money on his youth center

(43:04):
and wasn't making enough profit and it all.

Speaker 2 (43:06):
Oh okay, Yeah, basically the funds for Tricky. Oh yeah,
that makes sense.

Speaker 3 (43:11):
But with that said, I mean, if you really have
to make up this whole thing to create drama in
the story, I think you're looking at the wrong parts
of the guy's life to create drama, you know what
I mean. Yes, I agree that the script is the
major issue. Chris Davis the League. I think he did
a fantastic job in the role.

Speaker 2 (43:28):
So absolutely.

Speaker 3 (43:29):
Yeah. He played George from when he was seventeen all
the way till when he was forty five, and he
went through a wild physical transformation. He got jacked to
play young Georgian, and he actually put on all that
weight to be big, fat old man George. I saw clippery.
He said he put on fifty pounds in five weeks
for the role.

Speaker 2 (43:46):
Oh wow.

Speaker 3 (43:46):
Yeah, he was working with the dietician who told him
four thousand calories on days when he wasn't working out,
six thousand on days when he was, and seven thousand
on days when he was on set.

Speaker 2 (43:57):
Wow.

Speaker 3 (43:58):
I mean I can imagine, because I probably done that
in my life most of those crazy Yeah, and I'm
sure the man's not eating fucking big bags. You know,
I'm sure he's a.

Speaker 2 (44:10):
That's just a lot of food, Like, that's a lot, Like,
I don't know if you understand how much a serving
of things are. That's a lot of food. Yeah, but
that makes sense though because in five weeks the game
fifty Yeah, now that Yeah, the basically you're eating like
basically eating like double meals, right, so if you have breakfast,
you're eating like two omelets you have one, you're having

(44:31):
two burgers or two sandwich like, so I guessed it. Damn,
that's that's a lot. But he was fine. The acting
wasn't here the thing. The acting was cool. The script
was just awful, Like we didn't need to know George
was poor for the first forty five minutes of the movie,
like we knew that, we knew what it was. The
first fifteen minutes. We could have cut it on more boxing.
There could have been more more on his life with

(44:55):
his first wife, and they can even more with that.
It felt like it was all right, he's poor, he's poor,
he's poor, he comes up with boxing, and then he's
he's those the Olympics and then now he's that weight
champion in a couple more months. It was there was
no character developed, there was on nothing. It was it
was rushed. I think that movie was rushed. I just
say that we shoot because that ain't it. The movie

(45:18):
is just over two hours.

Speaker 3 (45:19):
The first hour is his entire first boxing career from
when he was a kid and to when he was
a champion when he lost to Muhammad Ali at the
Remolu Jungle. And it was just way too quick because
then it was about forty minutes of him becoming a
minister and starting his youth center and then the last
like twenty twenty five boxing again, it was just kind
of starting stop. You know, it's like you're you're waiting

(45:41):
for the movie to really get started and it's just
ends up going another direction.

Speaker 2 (45:46):
It was.

Speaker 3 (45:46):
It was just kind of hard to just hard to
get invested, you.

Speaker 2 (45:49):
Know, at home, very very much.

Speaker 3 (45:51):
So yeah, I will say it because we I watched
and we talked about Ali a couple of episodes episodes ago.
It was kind of cool seeing the other side of
it because Alien's with the Rumbling Jungle against George Foreman
and you can kind of see, you know, they have
an actor playing Muhammed Aldi who I think did a
good job. So that was that was fun as you
kind of get to see it's it's like two sides

(46:13):
of the same period, time period and the people's lives
in different movies.

Speaker 2 (46:18):
That that that was pretty cool. So also he should
know what to Africa fight. That was never that was
never gonna win to be good on his end, you
don't fight someone who had the situation Mom and Ali
had back then and go to Africa.

Speaker 3 (46:31):
That.

Speaker 2 (46:31):
I would have never signed up for that one. I
would have said the state side, even with the Europe
But there's no one. How I'm going. Is I here
for that one? There's no way.

Speaker 3 (46:41):
Yeah, I guess the the biggest criticism I could probably
give is that it doesn't give any real insight into
who George Foreman is or was you know true? Yeah?
So out of out of four gloves, how would you
rate this movie?

Speaker 2 (46:53):
I'm gonna be nice today, I'm feeling holidays. Yeah, I'm
gonna go one point seventy five.

Speaker 3 (47:00):
I decided to give it two, so we're about there, okay.
I was also being very generous because again, Chris Davis's
performance fantastic. I think he deserved a better movie. You know,
that performance deserved a better movie around it. So Yeah,
that's two gloves, you know, not great, not terrible. Maybe
if you if you really care about George Foreman, if
you really are into the guy, then maybe there's something

(47:22):
you can learn about him. But maybe watch a documentary instead.
We'll talk, Maybe we'll find one to talk about on
the show.

Speaker 2 (47:28):
There need to be more about the business stuff because
he's known way too much for that. That had to
be a footnote in this thing.

Speaker 3 (47:35):
You just excuse me.

Speaker 2 (47:38):
You can't have the banker talking about, oh yeah, the
little growth thing you did. It turned out like, nah man,
like you are a worldwide name because of that. There
should have been more going into that. That should have
been we should knew how that started, right, There should
have been Hey, at a meeting with a guy, you know,
he says this, I grow a lot. It should have
been something. But it was all, yeah, that growth thing.
It turned nah man.

Speaker 3 (47:59):
It was just you're getting some divins on the grill
and that's it. I was pumping my fist again because again,
the grill is very important to me. So I was like,
I was doing the Leonardo DiCaprio point at the screen
and then nothing else. So I think that, yeah, that
would have been a cool story. I think the movie
was sort of hyper focused on the religious aspect of
his life and they wanted to put that, you know forward,

(48:21):
which fine, whatever, but I think that's way less interesting
than Yeah, George Forman the businessman in his later life.

Speaker 2 (48:26):
But definitely but yeah.

Speaker 3 (48:30):
For the second part of our pop Pugilism segment, it's
a shorter chat about an upcoming movie called The Fire Inside.
So it's pretty cool to be able to talk about
a new movie that's coming soon. This movie opens on
Christmas Day, twenty twenty four. It's another biopick about a
boxer named Clarissa Shields who is an excellent fighter nick
Damus t Rex, but she's also referred to as the
quote greatest woman of all time. She won a gold

(48:52):
medal for boxing at the twenty twelve Olympics, which is
the first year women's boxing even became an Olympic event.
So this is a different type of biopick because most
of the these movies are about athletes who are either
very old or very dead, and she's neither. Yeah, she's
only twenty nine, she's still actively fighting. In fact, her
next fight is scheduled for February second twenty twenty five. So,
but the movie is about the period when she was

(49:12):
a teenager and prepping for the twenty twelve Olympics, as
well as what happened after she won the middle Did
you get to watch the trailer?

Speaker 2 (49:18):
Jameson, I have seen the trailer, and if I'm not mistaken,
I think she's in the news for some other stuff
as well. But no, I can't. I am waiting for
her movie coming out next week. That'll be interesting. But
she Yeah, she's in the middle of a weird dating
triangle right now. That's kind of hot. But ask neither
here nor there.

Speaker 3 (49:37):
Well, but it isn't here another but I have not
heard about this? Do you can you give me for information?
Because ummmm, then we want to go down that route.

Speaker 2 (49:45):
But so if I'm not mistaken, hold on, let me
just double check here.

Speaker 3 (49:53):
Yeah, let's make sure we do know slender.

Speaker 2 (49:57):
Okay, I want I want to be professional. So the
rapper Pat Poos, who was married to the rapper named
Remy maf for those who like East Coast rap. They
were married together for a while. They had a child
or two together. They recently broke up. Pat Poos is
now with Chris the shields, and it's been a lot
of back and forth over the last week. So it's

(50:18):
very interesting that you bring that name up because that's
all happened in the last like four or five days.

Speaker 3 (50:24):
Oh really, wow, ironic that you do well, you know.
And another thing about me personally is when it comes
to you know, I love boxing, I love following boxers.
I love following fighters, learning about them and analyze. But
I've never given a shit about their personal lives. It's
like I don't care, so I don't know a lot
about it.

Speaker 2 (50:42):
I try to separate the personal life from the craft,
and I do that with all celebrities unless they do
so unless they're accused of doing something egregious. I try
to keep the personal life and the work life separate.

Speaker 3 (50:57):
Well, that's and that's fair. I just I never I
actively avoid learning more about people's personal lives. You know,
they're they're a celebrity and actor, and you know, sometimes
you just can't avoid it because there's you know, some
let's be real, most celebrities accept the classy alcoholics comebacks.
Really they really are, and you're never on that one.

Speaker 2 (51:16):
I go the other way. I think most are boring, Okay, Okay,
they're actually cool, but they're boring, like most are. Just
the thing I think people don't understand. Mostly the slups
is regular people. They just have more money and they're
more known. But most of these folks they just they
got regular people problems too. They got their kids from school,
they got to go to target, make a target run
because something ran out. Also, a lot of these slub

(51:38):
think got the money you think they do. Like, that's
the other thing. Lot of sleds be broke. They be
trying to do too much. Lot of celebrities be eating
the same home cooked meals that we do. Yeah, well,
the ones with big money.

Speaker 3 (51:48):
That also gives you a little bit of I guess
freedom to to think you're invincible, to you know, get
up to some sc comeback shit, you know. But there's
nothing We're not telling people anything they don't know. You know.
We've heard the stories about so many selebrities. Stuff comes
out that they are just creeps behind the scenes. But yeah,
I mean I remember when when Canelo got married, every
time that there was a new New Canelo news story,

(52:09):
I was like, man, I don't give a shit about
his wedding. I want to see when he's fighting next
you know what's going on.

Speaker 2 (52:13):
It was just man, when you're a celebrity and you
get married like we've been this way, Travis Kelcey and
Taylor Swimp been talked about for the last couple of years.
That's true, and now I'm married.

Speaker 3 (52:23):
Travis Kelsey might be the only current NFL player I know,
to be quite honest with you, of the current players.
But my point getting back to the to the movie
The Fire Inside, Yeah, I'm excited about the movie. I'm
gonna be seeing it. It's it's opening Christmas Day or
are you gonna be checking it out?

Speaker 2 (52:38):
I can definitely get the fire stick out for it.
I don't have the seventeen fifty four and I don't
have that, but I definitely got the fire stick for
it for sure.

Speaker 3 (52:45):
Shout out to AMC stuffs. Maybe I pay that subscription.
It's three movies a week for twenty bucks a month,
so I'm already yeah. And then they're actually playing it.
It's it comes out Christmas Day, but MIAMC is playing
at Christmas Eve, so I'll be doing that, be checking
that out and then checking out fed out too ontay.
But yeah, I mean, the movie's already been reviewed by
twenty five critics, so it's got a ninety five percent
on Rotten Tomatoes. From that number, it's not a big

(53:07):
number of critics, but hey, you know it might be popular.
It's it has to be a low budget movie because
the biggest name in that is Brian Tyree Henry, also
from Atlanta. He plays paper Boy, right, you know that show.
Not to say that you know these actors, directors, et cetera.
You know they're not that they're not couldn't actually make

(53:27):
a great movie. Low budget movies can be awesome, but
this movie couldn't have cost a lot of money. So hey, plus,
it's a it's a inspiring story, triumph of for adversity.
We know she doesn't die tragically at the end. So
if you want to watch an inspiring Christmas movie with
your family, you know, this could scratch that itch. It

(53:48):
doesn't matter if she's a boxer or a tennis player
or whatever. You know the story it's putting forward. It
might just be something that people want to come out
for this season. So, you know, Fingers Crossed. I hope
it does well because you know, she's a phenomenal athlete.
It's a phenomenal story, and I think there should be
more stories about boxes out there in the theaters. Plus,
we need we need more low budget, mid budget movies.

(54:10):
You know, not everything can be one hundred million dollars
TGA superhero thing. So I want movies like this to exist,
and you know, maybe we'll talk about it in the
next episode for the next New Year. Actually exactly. So
all right, let's finish this up with the mailbag segment.

(54:31):
Shout out to Edwin l who he actually he went
above and beyond. He sent us like ten questions, so
we're gonna be milking that for a while. But this
one actually is one that I don't really have a
very good answer for. It's something that more for your
knowledge base, Jameson. So the question is what changes would
you make to the sport if you could be a

(54:51):
boxing commissioner for a day?

Speaker 2 (54:54):
Good, that's right question.

Speaker 3 (54:55):
Yeah, And for me, like I'm not, I wouldn't call
myself a boxing expert in the big that I love,
you know, watching and analyzing, but you know the business
of it, that's more your expertise. So I kind of
want to flow to you.

Speaker 2 (55:07):
I would lessen the fees on the sanctions on like
the belts, because I keep hearing about that being an
issue in the federations is basically price gouging guys for fights.
I would lessen that. That'd be one thing I wouldn't
I would make more incentives for guys to fight. I
think that if I was a boxing commissioner, I would
go with all the TV networks and get my product

(55:29):
out more. The biggest issue that boxing is having is
that it's direct competitor. Even though it's not as good,
It's on TV a lot more UFCS on TV every week.
There's UFC events every week, whether they're good or bad, whatever.
There's a card in a major city or a big
city gamn near every weekend. And we need our boxers

(55:51):
to fight more. I'm not saying I gotta fight every
other month, That's not what I'm saying. But our guys
got to be more active. We should not have guys
being on eighteen month layout without that should not happen.
I would try to enforce and a centivize guys being
more active. Whatever it takes for that, I would do.
But also I would make it more accessible for the

(56:12):
fans to watch fights without having to go get a
fire stick without having to get illegal links. I would
try to get all the TV networks together and try
to make something makes sense, because the biggest issue is
that the boxers that we know from being way back
when they fought so much and they were readily available.
It's the exact opposite now the fires are fighting. The

(56:34):
less you gotta you gotta pay a lot more to view.
Then Mom and a Lee was like on CBS and
fighting whatever ABC back in the day when he fought.
Mike Tyson was on some of our pay reviews, but
some of them are also on regular HBO and whatever
else was out back then. So those are things I
get back to making our product more accessible. So I
would definitely try to get with the network where's streaming,

(56:57):
where there's TV whatever, to make deal to where we
have boxing on a lot. There's one period of time
where box is not on that much where it should be.
There should be a fight every weekend during the summer.
There's no fall going on, there's basketball's over, there's an
everybody talk about, Oh it's slow, there's nothing on TV.
It's just baseball. We ship every weekend should be fights.

(57:18):
It should be fights every weekend from Royal Day to
Mexican Independence Day. There should be fights every weekend because
that's a period of time and you can galvanize the
average person to tune in, like, oh damn, next week
that fight. I'm gonna tune in. Next week's that fight.
That's how the UFC is doing it.

Speaker 3 (57:35):
Now.

Speaker 2 (57:35):
I don't like to I'm not a UFC fan. I
respect what they do. I don't get down with that. However,
if you have enough fights, people are gonna be like, oh,
let me take a look at that. Okay, that's on ESPN.
I don't have to order it. Oh that's on file okay.
And that's how you gain fans. Boxing is taking his
audience for granted, all one hundred dollars for pay per view.
They'll pay it six dours pay per view for a

(57:57):
guy that's have a belt or guy that only have
twenty fights, I'll pay it. Nah. We need to bring
the fans back, We need to do more for the fans,
and so that happens, we're gonna keep ont have the
same discussions we always have.

Speaker 3 (58:08):
That's a phenomenal answer, and I agree with you one
hundred percent. You know, we've talked on the show about
how there's not as many fights. And back in the
day HBO Friday night fights, that shit was on all
the time. And there was a period when I was
away from boxing because I couldn't afford it, couldn't afford
to go out to barlows playing it.

Speaker 2 (58:25):
When fights went from fifty to like one hundred bucks
man like, and again you can get a couple of buddies,
got everybody chips saying that's cool and all, but that
gets old, especially for the fights that aren't good, like
if it's a big name, of course it is what
it is, but why are we paying like sixty bucks
for guys that just aren't just no, like we're not

(58:46):
non yes, And.

Speaker 3 (58:48):
If you happen to be like a you know, teenager
guy in his early twenties who moved from Texas to
Arizona and didn't have any friends for many many years
to get together to watch boxing, but that's a bummer too.
Nobody's gonna pitch in for a hundre dollar match. You're
just sh out of luck, just being broken home alone
and said, which you hear.

Speaker 2 (59:05):
And again, I think there's a pathway to have a
lot more fights on television. I think it also includes
all motion companies being on the same page, got the
networks on the same page. Everybody's incentivized, everybody makes some money.
But I'm not gonna be on the same page because
right now it's too many agendas. There's too many agendas
going on, and it hasn't helped anyone. It hasn't. Everyone's
kind of going their own way. And the sad part

(59:27):
is we're talking about Canelo Crawford being the biggest fight.
Both of those guys on the verge of heading out
the door, like they're not gonna be around five more years.
That's not happening. We are on fight to fight basis.
We kind of both of them. You know, I think
Canela hands around a little bit longer. But we're you know,
we're we've seen the most of his career. Like if
he were making announcement saying, hey, twenty five my last year,

(59:50):
no one would be surprised, not at all, you know,
And I think that's a problem. But also in the past,
we saw up and coming fighters. We saw that, we
saw their progression. We saw when they were eight to
oh to seventeen and oh to twenty four to oh.
We don't see that anymore. It's get tossed in the
ring and then whatever happens happens. That's not how you
build fighters. That's not how you do it. So it

(01:00:10):
would be good to see everybody on the same page,
especially with the unique streaming possibilities that we have now
that hey, let's make this for the fans. Let's get
people interested in our product. If you have fights every
week and their free fights or fights when people can watch,
I think you got action. I really do.

Speaker 3 (01:00:27):
But see, here's the problem with those fighters that are
eight and oh they're on your way out now. They
are on the undercard and can only be seen by
paying ESPN Plus, not ESPN on TV. So that's going
back to the same thing.

Speaker 2 (01:00:38):
With ESPN Plus, it's not as bad, right because one
it's kind of cheaper. It's kind of cheap, but it's
not anything crazy. Why, it's not the end of the world.
So with ESPN Plus, you can get Bob Plus, you
get somebody, you can get some of the other things.
When you have ESPN Plus, you get like Dizzey, you
can get Hulu, so you can make that shape. But
the whole paying forty nine a m that's just.

Speaker 3 (01:00:59):
Not a possible this is not great. Well, this episode's
running kind of long. Button We'll call it a Christmas
present for the listeners. So let's wrap it up and
tell me, Jamison, where can people find you? On social media?

Speaker 2 (01:01:11):
On Twitter at the Jamison with two Ease. I'm always
on there. Love the response people gave us thus far
to our episodes. It's definitely cool to do this every
other week talk boxing. We don't have a lot of
people talk boxing with, so it's always cool just to
talk just about everything, not necessarily just the fights, to
break down the fights, but the why, the how, the
experience is always cool. So yeah, we're open everything. So

(01:01:35):
I'm definitely happy to be here. And Kelly twenty five
brings I'm.

Speaker 3 (01:01:39):
Excited, so follow me the Classy Alcoholic on Instagram and
Blue Sky quick post or quick plug. Rather, I had
a blog called the Classyalcoholic dot net because I can't
afford to dot com, where I was writing about craft beer, spirits, wine,
and at some point I started writing short stories on
there with the character the Classy Alcoholic fighting like robots
and ninjas and kind of ridiculous shit for fun. And

(01:02:01):
I wrote a story in twenty twenty one called Classy
Saves Christmas. I'm actually reposting it for the holiday season,
so go to the Classyalcoholic dot net. It's a three
part story. You can see all the parts are there
up there and link to each other. So it was
a lot of fun. It's a lot of fun to write.
It's probably the thing I'm most proud of to have written.
So please check that out. Superhero Now, what's up your

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